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01-17-2006, 02:14 PM
I am of the opinion that God is not in favor of us believing that Eve (women) caused the fall of Adam (men). As I have stated several times I see it symbolically. Adam represents leadership. Eve represents emotions. The snake represents the human mind. The apple represents the material life. What caused man to fall was he used his emotions to make a decision instead of his rational mind. In the story of Adam and Eve, the leadership went with the urging of their people instead of their rational mind. Eating the apple means that man chose to base his substance on the material life instead of the spiritual life. The spiritual life gives birth to the material life. When we start to see scripture like this. It makes it everlasting because it relates more to our life today. The story of Adam and Eve relates very well to the leadership in America. President Bush attacked Iraqi because 1.) He did not like Saddam because he tried to kill his father, 2.)Iraqi posed a threat to Isreal, 3.)The Christian Zealots wanted him to not only attack Iraq, but the entire Muslim world. This will lead to the eventual fall of America, Just like the fall of Rome. All because the leadership made a decision based on emotions and not rational knowledge. Also, when you begin to see scripture like this you will come to the understanding that Adam does not represent the first man. He only represents the first man that God accepts. If you are not using the intelligence that God gave you and are living your life as an animal based on instinct. Then God does not recognize you as a human being. So with that, yes there is an evolution of man. We must all evolve to be Adam and not live life on instinct. We must use the intelligence that God gave us to make the World a better place for humanity. Of course, I know most of you will continue to believe in the fairy tale like story of Adam and Eve. But, the explanation of the story I just gave gives more intelligence, life, substance, and spirituality to the story. So don't continue to believe that God is sexist, which the original story implies.

01-21-2006, 04:57 PM
The truth shall set you free!

01-21-2006, 05:39 PM

01-22-2006, 04:12 PM
Yes Akbar, I find that there is alot of bs in the bible. It has been perverted to keep knowlage of its true meaning from us. The answers are within us all. It does not need to be written. Connect with the cosmic Mind.

01-22-2006, 07:02 PM

The Bible is painfully honest. It shows Jacob, the father of its "chosen people," to be a deceiver. It describes Moses, the lawgiver, as an insecure, reluctant leader, who, in his first attempt to come to the aid of his own people, killed a man, and then ran for life to the desert. It portrays David not only as Israel's most loved king, general, and spiritual leader, but as one who took another man's wife and then, to cover his own sin, conspired to have her husband killed. At one point, the Scriptures accuse the people of God, the nation of Israel, as being so bad they made Sodom and Gomorrah look good by comparison ( Ezekiel 16:46-52). The Bible represents human nature as hostile to God. It predicts a future full of trouble. It teaches that the road to heaven is narrow and the way to hell is wide. Scripture was clearly not written for those who want simple answers or an easy, optimistic view of religion and human nature.

2) Its Preservation:

Just as the modern state of Israel was emerging from thousands of years of dispersion, a bedouin shepherd discovered one of the most important archeological treasures of our time. In a cave of the northwest rim of the Dead Sea, a broken jar yielded documents that had been hidden for two millennia. Additional finds produced manuscripts that predated previous oldest copies by 1,000 years. One of the most important was a copy of Isaiah. It revealed a document that is essentially the same as the book of Isaiah that appearsin our own Bibles. The Dead Sea scrolls emerged from the dust like a symbolic handshake to a nation coming home. They discredited the claims of those who believed that the original Bible had been lost to time and tampering.

3) Its Claims for Itself:

It's important to know what the Bible says about itself. If the authors of Scripture had not claimed to speak for God, it would be presumptuous for us to make that claim for them. We would also have a different kind of problem. We would have a collection of unsolved mysteries, embodied in historical and ethical literature. But we would not have a book that has inspired the building of countless churches and synagogues all over the world. A Bible that did not claim to speak in behalf of God would not have become foundational to the faith of hundreds of millions of Christians and Jews (2 Peter 1:16-21). But with much supporting evidence and argument, the Bible's authors did claim to be inspired by God. Because millions have staked their present and eternal well-being on those claims, the Bible cannot be a good book if its authors consistently lied about their source of information.

4) Its Miracles:

Israel's exodus from Egypt provided a historical basis for believing that God revealed Himself to Israel. If the Red Sea did not part as Moses said it did, the Old Testament loses its authority to speak in behalf of God. The New Testament is just as dependent upon miracles. If Jesus did not rise bodily from the dead, the apostle Paul admits that the Christian faith is built on a lie (1 Corinthians 15:14-17). To show its credibility, the New Testament names its witnesses, and did so within a time-frame that enabled those claims to be tested (1 Corinthians 15:1-8). Many of the witnesses ended up as martyrs, not for abstract moral or spiritual convictions but for their claim that Jesus had risen from the dead. While martyrdom is not unusual, the basis on which these people gave their lives is what's important. Many have died for what they believed to be the truth. But people do not die for what they know to be a lie.

5) Its Unity:

Forty different authors writing over a period of 1,600 years penned the 66 books of the Bible. Four hundred silent years separated the 39 books of the Old Testament from the 27 of the New Testament. Yet, from Genesis to Revelation, they tell one unfolding story. Together they give consistent answers to the most important questions we can ask: Why are we here? How can we come to terms with our fears? How can we get along? How can we rise above our circumstances and keep hope alive? How can we make peace with our Maker? The Bible's consistent answers to these questions show that the Scriptures are not many books but one.

6) Its Historical and Geographical Accuracy:

Down through the ages, many have doubted the historical and geographical accuracy of the Bible. Yet modern archeologists have repeatedly unearthed evidence of the people, places, and cultures described in the Scriptures. Time after time, the descriptions in the biblical record have been shown to be more reliable than the speculations of scholars. The modern visitor to the museums and lands of the Bible cannot help but come away impressed with the real geographical and historical backdrop of the biblical text.

7) Its Indorsement by Christ:

Many have spoken well of the Bible, but no endorsement is as compelling as that of Jesus of Nazareth. He recommended the Bible not only by His words but by His life. In times of personal temptation, public teaching, and personal suffering, He made it clear that He believed the Old Testament Scriptures were more than a national tradition ( Matthew 4:1-11; 5:17-19). He believed the Bible was a book about Himself. To His countrymen He said, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" (John 5:39-40).

8) Its Prophetic Accuracy:

> the days of Moses, the Bible predicted events no one wanted to believe. Before Israel went into the Promised Land, Moses predicted that Israel would be unfaithful, that she would lose the land God was giving her, and that she would be dispersed throughout all the world, regathered, and then re-established ( (Deuteronomy 28-31). Central to Old Testament prophecy was the promise of a Messiah who would save God's people from their sins and eventually bring judgment and peace to the whole world.

9) Its Survival:

The books of Moses were written 500 years before the earliest Hindu Scriptures. Moses wrote Genesis 2,000 years before Muhammad penned the Koran. During that long history, no other book has been as loved or as hated as the Bible. No other book has been so consistently bought, studied, and quoted as this book. While millions of other titles come and go, the Bible is still the book by which all other books are measured. While often ignored by those who are uncomfortable with its teachings, it is still the central book of Western civilization.

10) Its Power to Change Lives:

Unbelievers often point to those who claim to believe in the Bible without being changed by it. But history is also marked by those who have been bettered by this book. The Ten Commandments have been a source of moral direction to countless numbers of people. The Psalms of David have offered comfort in times of trouble and loss. Jesus' Sermon on the Mount has given millions an antidote for stubborn pride and proud legalism. Paul's description of love in 1 Corinthians 13 has softened angry hearts. The changed lives of people like the apostle Paul, Augustine, Martin Luther, John Newton, Leo Tolstoy, and C. S. Lewis illustrate the difference the Bible can make. Even entire nations or tribes, like the Celts of Ireland, the wild Vikings of Norway, or the Auca Indians of Ecuador have been transformed by the Word of God and the unprecedented life and significance of Jesus Christ.

Thus, we can use the Bible to be the standard by which everything can be measured, including ministry groups like Answers in Genesis. Their statement of faith and stand on the Word as being God=92s speech is commendable, for it is consistent with Biblical truth. For example, When the Bible says in Exodus 20 that God made the world in 6 days, AIG believes this to be true. AIG is also to be commended for their financial integrity and scientific accuracy. Read as much from them as you can!

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10 REASONS to BELIEVE the BIBLE! FOR the self proclaimed EXPERTS like DOMINO and AKBAR

01-23-2006, 03:24 AM
"self-proclaimed expert on the bible".


You can choose to believe that all the answers have been written down in a book, if thatís how youíll have it.

01-23-2006, 10:44 AM
I'm not an expert on the Bible. I'm just a student of religion. The Bible does have truths, but it has been tampered with, so much of the truth is hidden. Again it seems like Redret11 and Madcow the clown are the same person.

01-23-2006, 10:49 AM
I can assure you I'm not MadCow Akbar, I simply post when I see a Erroneous fact being presented about the Bible, such as the ones you post, your views about the Bible come straight out of the NEW AGER'S playbook. I wish you well my friend.

01-23-2006, 10:52 AM
No, your views are similar to Madcow the clown. You use the name Redrat11 to try to make intelligent comments and then you use the name Madcow to bring NWO comic relief to cc.

01-23-2006, 08:30 PM
If my views are similar to MadCows, then that's my business, and that does'nt mean I'm him. I really don't like playing games like that, Beleive it or not. Maybe the two of you should create a debate on this forum, I think at the beginning MadCow cleaned your clock at pointing out the Absurdities of the KORAN, However you've made a few good points yourself. but I have to go with my views on the Bible as the standard to which I trust.

01-26-2006, 05:27 PM
THe reason why the both of you are the same person is because the both of you keep saying off the wall things. Madcow the clown never came close to the logic that I shared on this forum. Everything that he stated was in the holy Quran, was even worst in the Bible. When I started going blow for blow with him on quotes from the Bible. He resulted to comics. No there is no need for me to waste my time on Madcow the clown. His shallow posts speak for themselves. At least you learn something new from me. I agree he was good comic relief on cc, but it's hard to laugh when the nwo is trying to enslave you.