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redrat11
04-28-2006, 05:47 PM
It's not ROCKET SCIENCE,The Internet is the TOOL to ENSLAVE HUMANITY!

the mass perversion going on in the MINDS of sexual deviants is only MAGNIFIED by the INTERNET! A direct creation through humankind from SATAN! SO IT IS A NEGATIVE BLIGHT ON HUMANITY. I stand by those words.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0404062teacher1.html


The Internet Emboldens the Perverts

Goodyear mother accused of luring teens for sex through myspace.com

John Machay
staff writer

A 36-year-old mother of three is behind bars after allegedly posing as a teenager on the Internet and luring underage boys to her Goodyear home for sex, officials said.
Peggy Ross is being held on one count each of sexual conduct with a minor, kidnapping and luring a minor for sexual exploitation, said Cmdr. Ralph McLaughlin of the Goodyear Police Department. She’s being held on $120,000 bond, according to court records.

Ross, who allegedly maintained a home page on the popular Web site myspace.com under the guise of a teenager named “Tabitha” is accused of striking up conversations with boys between the ages of 13 and 18 and inviting them to her home when her husband was away, McLaughlin said.

“From what we understand, apparently her husband was away on business when these activities occurred,” McLaughlin said, noting that no evidence has surfaced to suggest Ross’ husband was privy to the activities.

Police first became aware of the illicit goings on when they received a tip from someone who claimed Ross was hosting parties in her home that involved drugs, alcohol and underage boys, McLaughlin said.

“We couldn’t find anything to substantiate that, but through the course of our investigation we came into contact with a boy who told us he’d met her on the Internet and she invited him to her house,” he said, noting that the youth is between 13 and 18 years old. “Once he was there, they engaged in a sex act.”

Stake out
Although Ross’ home was placed under surveillance on Tuesday, she was taken into custody during a traffic stop that occurred shortly after police watched her leave, McLaughlin said.

“The reason for that was we knew she had kids in the house, and even though we planned on doing what we call a ‘soft’ arrest, we knew it could be pretty traumatic for them,” he said. “So we waited until after she dropped off the kids at school. She was on her way home when we stopped her.”

McLaughlin confirmed that investigators then served a search warrant on Ross’ home, but he refused to elaborate on what was seized.

While police “are aware of a few more possible underage victims,” the youths have refused to cooperate in the case, McLaughlin said.

“It’s really kind of surprising to me, because if the situation was reversed — if the predator was a man and these kids were teenage girls — their parents would have hauled them down to the police station and demanded that we do something,” he said. “But, for some reason, because they’re boys, no one seems to want to talk about it. That’s something I don’t get, because the fact that the victims were boys doesn’t make the crime any less heinous.”

Investigators believe there are more victims beyond the few that they already know about, McLaughlin said.

“When someone is busted for a crime, especially a crime like this, you can bet they’ve done it several times before they were caught,” he said. “It doesn’t usually happen after the first offense. So we feel pretty strongly that there are more victims out there. The trick is getting them to step forward.”
The Internet Is A Negative for Humanity

http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3093&forum=9&PHPSESSID=927dfa8cf26c89f610d6df0a928368c4

ignt
04-28-2006, 08:48 PM
Correct, so what will you do about this or what the computer evolves into by the hand of humans.

redrat11
04-28-2006, 09:05 PM
ignt wrote:
Correct, so what will you do about this or what the computer evolves into by the hand of humans.

What is Is What Has Become.

the Internet is, or has evolved into what is before you, a Cesspool of Useless Data Streams Hypnotizing the masses into SHEEPLE.

ignt
04-28-2006, 09:40 PM
So is everything else in this plastic society including organized religion.

redrat11
04-28-2006, 09:45 PM
ignt wrote:
So is everything else in this plastic society including organized religion.

So What is Your Solution For Humankind?

I think There is HOPE, People just are'nt looking for it, It's too easy to accept EVIL rather than submit to GOOD.

ignt
04-28-2006, 11:13 PM
My solution is to leave the choice to humans with no intervention and let their fate come at their own hands. If they can not or will not see what has been given them, then how are they ever to be trusted with a greater gift. If those who tend the vineyard let it succumb and die, should they be given a greater vineyard?

redrat11
04-28-2006, 11:22 PM
ignt wrote:
If those who tend the vineyard let it succumb and die, should they be given a greater vineyard?

Those people should WITHER AWAY to ASHES, However you keep PRETENDING as If you are not to blame in this Predicament Earth humans find themselves in, it is you who are responsible for the TAKING of SOULS to HELL by inducing the feeble minded.

It was a tree to be desired to make one wise, according to the serpent. But you don't become wise if you eat of it, so why would she think that it was to be desired? The serpent lied: the wisdom of the apple was just fruit without a point. There is hope. And, it is true that once you make the first decision to do something you know you shouldn't do, even before you know the consequences, only God can rescue you. You can't do anything to save yourself from the effect of sin, which is spiritual death. Only the spirit of the living God, calling and convicting you, so that you become aware of your state of utter and total depravity and cry out to him, can save you.


But is there something wrong with wanting to be wise? Solomon wanted to be wise and God blessed him with wisdom more than any man. However, the wisdom from above is not what the serpent was offering. He was offering the wisdom that is devilish, sensual, earthly. Unless you understand that the whole serpent scenario was wrong and that the choice shouldn't have been presented in the first place, then it will appear as though the devil was offerng Eve something of value. But even then, as they are today, man's deepest feelings and thoughts were under constant attack in a global attempt to turn peoples' hearts toward the enemy of their soul, to turn man away from the God of the bible and toward the "bringer of light" who was Lucifer, imagined to be on the other end of the spectrum from Satan, although they are one and the same.

John Lennon sang about imagining there's no heaven but what of discerning that there is no Lucifer? Where is the understanding that Lucifer fell and became Satan and as 1 Peter 5:8 and 9 says Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But to those who subscribe to the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you can be a god, and the earth can be paradise, if you will push the bible out of your life. Oh, that's just the King James bible, by the way, the newer, more modern versions of the bible are okay because they concede to the concept of man attaining to godhood, of his exaltation, his ascension, while they deny the diety of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God Almighty. In denying that Jesus Christ is God one is essentially cut off from hope of eternal life.


In the 21st century man thinks that the realization of what was told to him in the garden by the serpent has arrived. He will be as god. He can finally ascend into godhood because he tells himself that man is essentially good and that he doesn't need a saviour, that the story in the garden was only metaphor for the dawn of man and that the whole point was that he needed to attain to the knowledge that came from eating the forbidden fruit because without it there would be no progress, no ascension into the heights of what man is capable of. However, those who received the son of God as their saviour and left their mortal body before the "dawning of the Age of Aquarius" having never realized godhood are outside the limits of time now and are no longer bound to the false promise of progress and they know that the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil only lead the world into chaos and tyranny. They know that the only true choice anyone can ever make is to stop believing the lie that it was necessary for man to eat of the tree, that man was meant to be exalted as a god, to stop believing in the wisdom that came from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


There is only one solution. The King James bible teaches the truth of Jesus Christ, that the world was created by him and that he gave his life to save man from the consequences of the sin which began from the lie told in the garden of Eden. The lie continues to be disseminated today. If a man does not believe that Jesus Christ is who the King James bible says he is then within that man is formed a desire for the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to fill in the gap left by the rejection of the knowledge of the one true God. A return to God as he is revealed in the King James bible and reliance on it alone as the word of God is the only hope for those who have been called by the spirit of God.

ignt
04-28-2006, 11:55 PM
This Satan, this advisory that you call to blame has this one not been given a task to preform, a duty to execute. Satan acknowledged CHRIST in the place of the two trees to both Eve and Haadam. Satan and the minions of Satan have always acknowledged the CHRIST and obeyed the commands of CHRIST. We would strongly suggest you read the BIBLE and the only divinely inspired version in your tongue, but who will. Many wait and hope to be in the 1st Harvest, so what knowledge have they obtained? If Satan and 7000 are condemned and know the truth and know the CHRIST and obey the commands of the CHRIST then what of humanity and its ways. Many days are yet to come for you are in the Fifth with the Sixth yet to begin. Wonders derived from your own imaginings and wishes are yet to manifest before you and they will be STRONG in their delusions. The locust are prepared for their homecoming. Their season is yet a while away, but humans prepare their way of their on volition and with haste they make the way smooth. Who of you will remember these words after a short time has past? Who on that day will even know what to stand up for?

redrat11
04-29-2006, 12:03 AM
ignt wrote:
This Satan, this advisory that you call to blame has this one not been given a task to preform, a duty to execute. Satan acknowledged CHRIST in the place of the two trees to both Eve and Haadam. Satan and the minions of Satan have always acknowledged the CHRIST and obeyed the commands of CHRIST. We would strongly suggest you read the BIBLE --- The locust are prepared for their homecoming. Their season is yet a while away, but humans prepare their way of their on volition and with haste they make the way smooth. Who of you will remember these words after a short time has past? Who on that day will even know what to stand up for?

are you one of the MINIONS of Satan? Why do you portray yourself as something or someone knowledgeable about BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, It is true Satan has obeyed The Christ's Commands, but he/she/it still has MISLED humanity, into OBLIVION for that he/she/it will pay dearly according to the bible. you seem to worship the satanic minions.
Yes it's True the LOCUST WILL DEVOUR!

Chapter 9

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon

ignt
04-29-2006, 11:35 AM
I am not made to worship, nor to be worshiped. Nor am I the scapegoat of blame. There is far more to the creation than can be known by those locked in matter, Those sustained by energy. In some ways I am placing a warning before the human race. There are others who treasure this Earth and know how to tend this vineyard. They are some of the "other flocks". The human species can be replaced with them. Do not count on human knowledge or human tradition or human science, or human magic to prevent the vineyard being rid of an infestation that brings death to the vineyard. You have been given a chance and the knowledge, not of your own making, to fulfill your purpose within the creation. Either do so on an individual basis or as a species or all will be replaced, for no law or promise is immutable and all can be made void.

redrat11
04-30-2006, 02:38 PM
ignt wrote:
In some ways I am placing a warning before the human race. There are others who treasure this Earth and know how to tend this vineyard. They are some of the "other flocks". The human species can be replaced with them. You have been given a chance and the knowledge, not of your own making, to fulfill your purpose within the creation. Either do so on an individual basis or as a species or all will be replaced,

Replaced By This Species?

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ignt
04-30-2006, 06:26 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/AlienPic5.jpg

These are not independent in action. I refer to their owners.

redrat11
04-30-2006, 06:51 PM
ignt wrote:


These are not independent in action. I refer to their owners.

And Who Exactly is there owner? Is there "OWNER" the DEVIL?

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http://moonpathtarot.tripod.com/tarotpoetry/id16.html

http://www.thedevil.com/top.htm

LaDominio
05-01-2006, 05:19 AM
Perhaps a demonic attempt at creating their own humanoid species? Clearly they couldn’t get it quite right. :-?

ignt
05-01-2006, 06:52 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/Card.gif

redrat11
05-02-2006, 04:03 PM
Just For The Record

I Don't Believe In UFO'S or Childish Aliens

Crop circles are a different story, they're some sort of High Tech Luceferic Technology behind it. used to again scare or MISDIRECT the SHEEPLE'S minds off of Godly and Biblical Truths
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http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2005/eastfield2/eastfield2005b.html

Arjuna
05-03-2006, 07:51 AM
Christians are often quick to conclude that anything not well understood and outside of their limited dogmas must be from an evil source. Crop circle images form some kind of language. Although I cannot interpret this language, I do not conclude that it is evil. It is clearly the product of a high intelligence, and seems to me to likely come from a benign or beneficial source.

CROP CIRCLE THEORIES (http://www.crystalinks.com/croptheories.html)

Crop circles are unexplained patterns that are found in fields, over tree-tops, and in ice and snow. They are mostly often found in wheat or corn fields, but have also been found in oat, rape (canola), and barley.

They are a world wide phenomena, highlighted in England, the Netherlands, the United States, and Australia. Crop circles have not as yet been reported in China and South Africa.

Their sudden appearance may go unreported unless spotted by an airplane flying overhead or someone familiar with the concept of the formations. I am quite sure that crop formations are as old as the planet itself.

The earliest known formation was in 1647 in England, from which a carving of the current day theory on how it was created can be seen.

http://www.crystalinks.com/1647.gif

The crop circle phenomenon was first reported during modern times in 1972 when two witnesses, Arthur Shuttlewood and Bryce Bond, sat on the slope of Star Hill near Warminster, England, hoping to catch a glimpse of the strange unidentifyed flying craft that had made this part of England a UFO Mecca for almost a decade. But what they witnessed on that moonlit night was something more extraordinary--a hundred feet away they saw an imprint take shape, a large circular area of plants that collapsed within twenty seconds.

Crop formations are often accompanied by sightings of unusual lights and structured craft beaming shafts of light onto the field the night before. Most crop formations are created at night between the hours of 11 pm - 4 am. There have been daylight formations also.

Very often crop formations appear where powerful ley lines intersect-- or the Earth's magnetic energy lines. This is often at the same place where megalithic sites such as Stonehenge are found. Dowsing can be done within the formations after the crop has been plowed when there are no longer traces of physical evidence.

The patterns often can be equated to Creation, Celestial Bodies, the Chakras, or Sacred Geometry.

To date, thousands of crop formations have been reported and investigated worldwide. In areas where the significance of the patterns is not known thousands of others have not been recorded but have been created.


Theories about the Creation of the Formations

- The planetary grids
- Plasma Beings - Orbs
- Extraterrestrials
- Earth Energies - Gaia theories based on the Ley Lines of the Earth
- Nature Spirits
- Whirlwind or Friction Generated Plasma Vortexes
- Hoaxed by humans - Landscape Art - Many have been proven to be hoaxed
- Created by a satellite apparatus just above the Earth

http://www.crystalinks.com/cropalphabet2.gif


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OTHER ARCHETYPES (http://www.crystalinks.com/archetypes.html)

redrat11
05-03-2006, 04:26 PM
Arjuna said:Christians are often quick to conclude that anything not well understood and outside of their limited dogmas must be from an evil source. Crop circle images form some kind of language. Although I cannot interpret this language, I do not conclude that it is evil. It is clearly the product of a high intelligence, and seems to me to likely come from a benign or beneficial source.



if this Intelligent, benign, or beneficial source had BRAINS I would think IT would learn ENGLISH don't you? I mean what with all its awsome power, it should know we'll never figure its creations out..I love being SARCASTIC at times...

wallace045
05-03-2006, 04:29 PM
It's not the internet's fault. This bit*h is f'ed up in the head. And married too.
The internet doesn't breed perverts. These people we're and are perverts when they log on. They're perverts from morning to night. Life breeds perverts. They've always been around. For as long as history goes back.

wallace045
05-03-2006, 04:34 PM
Now that I saw the pic.. I wouldn't do her. She's too damn fat. No wonder she's out for boys since no man would do her. Probalby not even man whores lol

Arjuna
05-03-2006, 08:18 PM
redrat11:

if this Intelligent, benign, or beneficial source had BRAINS I would think IT would learn ENGLISH don't you? I mean what with all its awsome power, it should know we'll never figure its creations out..I love being SARCASTIC at times...

Sarcasm is often motivated by ignorance, confusion, and frustration. However, you ask a good question.

The language of crop circles is not verbal, like English, but rather geometrical. Although there are over a hundred spoken languages on earth, there is only one language of mathematics. Perhaps whatever is creating crop circles is not able to or has no interest in communicating their purpose or meaning in plain English, but that does not imply an evil intention. Also, the fact that you cannot figure it out does not mean that nobody can. You offer no evidence that crop circles are in any way evil, so I encourage you to reserve judgment.

Lastly, since crop circles are obviously geometrical in nature, anyone seriously interested in understanding them would be wise to study geometry. I can assure you that geometry is not an evil subject. Geometry is one of the three major branches of mathematics; algebra and analysis (calculus) are the other two. All university libraries have geometry books on the shelf. Not everything worth knowing is in the Bible. Right?

ignt
05-03-2006, 09:04 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/CropCircles1.jpg

As to learning English, Have you learned Roach. You are in an awesome event now, at least for your world. Since it seems to be hard for you to recognize it maybe you would prefer a larger event. Why not simply and plainly ask for an event of the magnitude you desire to occur.

LaDominio
05-04-2006, 03:00 AM
I think an apocalyptic meteor strike would be letting us off to easy.

redrat11
05-04-2006, 07:28 PM
Arjuna wrote:
redrat11:

if this Intelligent, benign, or beneficial source had BRAINS I would think IT would learn ENGLISH don't you? I mean what with all its awsome power, it should know we'll never figure its creations out..I love being SARCASTIC at times...

Sarcasm is often motivated by ignorance, confusion, and frustration. However, you ask a good question.

You offer no evidence that crop circles are in any way evil, so I encourage you to reserve judgment.

I can assure you that geometry is not an evil subject. Geometry is one of the three major branches of mathematics; algebra and analysis (calculus) are the other two. All university libraries have geometry books on the shelf. Not everything worth knowing is in the Bible. Right?


Sarcasm motivated By Ignorance Arjuna? You also don't offer any EVIDENCE that crop circles are Beneficial or Benign do you? Your Knowledge of mathematics is ADMIRABLE Arjuna, however having a vast knowledge bank of Mathematics in your mind does'nt make you smart, if your relying on Mathematics to get you through life, then good luck to you, I think the most INTELLIGENT people on this Earth are the people who live basic honest clean lives as best they can, and whatever your DISENCHANTED views of the Bible are does'nt concern me, you show Ignorance by not COMPREHENDING the greatest MATHEMATICAL BOOK ever Created...THE BIBLE...I'm sure you have no clue what I'm talking about. I'll fill you in later on that subject.

Ask Who?

IGNT SAID:Why not simply and plainly ask for an event of the magnitude you desire to occur.

Ask Who? God? :-?


What?

Dominio said:I think an apocalyptic meteor strike would be letting us off to easy

What other EVENT would be more PUNISHING? :-o

ignt
05-04-2006, 09:01 PM
The one that is coming, and it is coming from G-D. So take cheer your request has been answered.

LaDominio
05-05-2006, 04:03 AM
Just doing my job...

LaDominio
05-05-2006, 04:10 AM
redrat11 wrote:
What?

Dominio said:I think an apocalyptic meteor strike would be letting us off to easy

What other EVENT would be more PUNISHING? :-o


I have a hunch that there will be a meteor strike, but that it will not be globally cataclysmic. And that it will affect the U.S.A.
Considering the 'miss distance' is within our own atmosphere - it should be interesting.
But I’m just guessing.

Arjuna
05-05-2006, 10:53 AM
readrat11:

Sarcasm motivated By Ignorance Arjuna? You also don't offer any EVIDENCE that crop circles are Beneficial or Benign do you? Your Knowledge of mathematics is ADMIRABLE Arjuna, however having a vast knowledge bank of Mathematics in your mind does'nt make you smart, if your relying on Mathematics to get you through life, then good luck to you, I think the most INTELLIGENT people on this Earth are the people who live basic honest clean lives as best they can, and whatever your DISENCHANTED views of the Bible are does'nt concern me, you show Ignorance by not COMPREHENDING the greatest MATHEMATICAL BOOK ever Created...THE BIBLE...I'm sure you have no clue what I'm talking about. I'll fill you in later on that subject.

You said crop circles are evil, which I view as unreasonable since you provide no evidence to support such a view. Based on a lack of evidence that crop circles are evil, and the presence of evidence that they encode high level mathematical knowledge, I hold a more reasonable view that they are likely benign or beneficial.

You said, “if your relying on Mathematics to get you through life, then good luck to you.” That statement reveals the depth of your ignorance. Go ahead, make a list of all the things you rely on to get through life. Study the list carefully. Notice that almost everything on the list was created with mathematics. Perhaps you did not realize that the things you rely on were created by engineers. And by the way, all engineering would be impossible without mathematics. So, if you want to get through life without mathematics, I suggest you go live in a cave (Don’t take any clothes with you when you leave, since all the clothes you own were made with mathematics. And don't drive your car to the cave; you must walk there!).

As for my “not COMPREHENDING the greatest MATHEMATICAL BOOK ever Created...THE BIBLE”, I must agree with you that I do not know what you are talking about. The Bible has very little mathematical content, and what little it does contain demonstrates some blatant errors.

I view this line of discussion as very important for this forum. The primary modus operandi of the Illuminists is to keep the sheeple ignorant and confused. Accomplishing this through religion is the oldest play in the book. By influencing you to think in an irrational way, it is much easier for them to manipulate you to serve them. I wasn’t kidding when I encouraged you to study geometry. Studying geometry is an excellent method for increasing your ability to think rationally. If the purpose of crop circles is to encourage humans to study geometry, then they are certainly beneficial.

This website offers some information about mathematics in the Bible:

Mathematical Errors in the Bible (http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/math.html)

The Value of Pi

Our first example concerns the value of π (pronounced as “Pie”, normally spelled as Pi). π is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. It is an irrational number whose value is represented by an infinite sequence of numbers of which the first six numbers are 3.14159. What does the Bible say about the value of π?

I Kings 7:23-26 (II Chronicles 4:2-5)
"23Then he made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high. A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely. 24Under its brim were panels all around it, each of ten cubits, surrounding the sea; there were two rows of panels, cast when it was cast. 25It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east; the sea was set on them. The hindquarters of each were towards the inside. 26It's thickness was a handbreadth; its brim was made like the brim of a cup, like the flower of a lily; it held two thousand baths."

It is quite obvious that the passage above (verse 23) was talking about the dimensions on the top of the molten sea. Since the diameter is 10 cubits ("10 cubits from brim to brim") and its circumference is 30 cubits ("A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely"), the value of π as defined by the passage above is 30/10 or exactly 3! This value is of course wrong and any mathematical calculation that uses 3 as π will produce gravely erroneous results. Obviously 3.0 compared to 3.14159... is gravely inaccurate.

Here is another nail in the coffin of biblical inerrancy-it got one of the most basic ratios of mathematics (and nature) wrong.

Of course fundamentalists and evangelicals hardly ever take anything lying down! They have attempted (and are continuing to attempt) many explanations to avoid this very obvious error. We will look at two main (mutually contradictory!) apologetic strategies to explain away this error. Basically they involve asserting that the ratio in I Kings 7:23-26 is either: A Good Enough Representation of π or an Extremely Accurate Representation of π

(the text goes on to explain why both of the arguments are untrue)


Mistakes in Sums

From the value of π we now move one notch down the level of mathematical sophistication. We realize that some authors of the Bible can’t even do simple sums. Here is one taken from Numbers Chapter 3. Here the male members more than one month old of the three clans of Levi, namely Gershon, Kohath and Merari were counted, this is how the figures came out:

Numbers 3: 21 The clan of Gershon 7,500
Numbers 3:27-28 The clan of Kohath 8,600
Numbers 3:33-34 The clan of Merari 6,200

Total 22,300

However Numbers 3: 39 gives the total as 22,000! Thus we have a discrepancy of 300 people. It is pointless to argue that the author was simply “rounding off” the total. Why then, did he not round up the original numbers? It is more likely that the author of Numbers simply got his sums wrong!

There is another summation error, this time big enough to give even the “round off” apologetic explanation a “headache” (in trying to come up with an explanation!). The passage Ezra 1:7-11 concerns the articles from the Temple which were returned to the Jews. It was mentioned, in Ezra 7:8, that the chief royal treasury made an inventory and that these are the items returned:

Ezra 1:9-10
gold basins 30
silver basins 1,000
silver pans 29
small gold bowls 30
small silver bowls 410
other vessels 1,000

Total 2,499

The total of articles returned were 2,499. Yet at the very next verse the total is given as:

Ezra 1:11
"all the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand four hundred and sixty nine."

Note that Ezra 1:10 does not allow other unlisted items to be assumed since the last portion already mentioned “other vessels” or other articles. Obviously a discrepancy of 2,970 exist between the given total of 5,469 and the actual total of 2,499.

(followed by another good example of summation errors)


Mistakes in Counting

We now move on to the lowest notch of arithmetic ability: that of counting. We will see that even in this, the Bible contains errors![11]

I Chronicles 3:22
"The sons of Shemaiah: Huttush, Igal, Bariah, Neriah, and Shaphat, six."

Note that there were five sons listed, yet the Chronicler counted six! We find similar errors in I Chronicles 25:3, where five names were also given and again the chronicler counted six. (One begins to wander if this is a learning disorder of the chronicler). Again in I Chronicles 3: 19-20 where eight names were given and he counted five! Chronicles is not the only author who can't count, we see the same problem in the book of Joshua:

Joshua 15:33-36
"And in the lowland, Eshtaol, Zorah, Ashnah, Zanoah, Engannim, Tappuah, Enam, Jarmuth, Adullam, Socoh, Azekah, Shaaraim, Adithaim, Gederah, Gederothaim: fourteen cities with their villages."

Anyone who can count will see that there are fifteen cities listed above, not fourteen. Again in Joshua 15:21-32 there were thirty-six cities actually listed but the author only counted twenty-nine! Also in Joshua 19:2-6 we have fourteen cities listed but the author said there was only thirteen.

So we have seen that some of the authors of the Bible didn’t know the value of π, some didn’t know how to do simple sums and some couldn’t even count correctly! How are we to define a book as inerrant when its authors lack even these simple skills?

ignt
05-05-2006, 12:05 PM
Arjuna, when it comes to your number, G-D will have it well in mind. At that point, you may ask G-D why THE BOOK was written by such ignorant humans. G-D will have many answers for the brilliant humans who have besieged and out thought the creation. You will be one of many, so be prepared. Advice from one who knows.

redrat11
05-06-2006, 08:22 AM
Mathematics you Crave Mathematics you shall have

Don't take this personally Arjuna, We don't have to hurl CHILDISH insults at each other. I'm simply going to make my point and ask you some questions and move on. First off let me say this
Arjuna you don't Educate me or
teach
impress
amuse
compensate
accuse
oversee
guide
feed
protect
respect
interest
believe
trust
surprise
or welcome me..ect..
Mathematical Genius of God (Creator of the Bible)
This person you will read about should put your SLANDEROUS mind to rest, keep in mind I did'nt have to introduce you to such an individual, you should thank me for being so nice.
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/part1.html
http://members.cox.net/8thday/panin.html
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/seven.html
Just Google Ivan Panin and LEARN!
Now Regarding the "Benign and Beneficial" Entity
Here are some "Observations" I have on that subject. Your ENTITY is NOT BENIGN and BENEFICIAL!
1.If this Entity is from above, then it violated International and National Laws of Air Space. First by Intruding on Planet Earth and then on National Airspace without PERMISSION and ADVISEMENT! For your info that's a VIOLATION od the LAW! (of course Law apparently means nothing to Liberals like yourself)
2.If this Entity is EARTHBOUND then it again VIOLATED the law in 2 more ways, first by TRESSPASSING on Private Property, second by Destroying Private Property. (again your Liberalism does'nt recognize PRIVATE PROPERTY!)
3.And last but not least your BENIGN ENTITY creates Objects that are very similar if not exact to that of ILLUMINATI SYMBOLS found throughout this Satanic World, you see these symbols in Commerce,Freemasonry,Religion,Satanism, they seem to match. Are you not seeing that your BENIGN host is Lawless and Aggressive? (not to mention Demonic and Mindless).
Questions for you..
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1.Why is it that of all the world's religions, Christianity and Islam are PRIMARY targets of the Satanic ILLUMINATI? And yet Hinduism your Benign Religion is left untouched by them?
2.Could it be your way over your head in LACK of knowledge on this subject? THE Bible is Real, that's is why they the ILLUMINATI seek destruction of it, read here about the protocals and VISHNU.
3. And tell me your thoughts and analysis on the photos.
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/pr-zion.htm#protocol_14
read protocal 14 and 17

Arjuna
05-06-2006, 09:06 AM
redrat11,

What you have offered is not mathematics, it is numerology; you would be wise to learn the difference. What it reveals to me is that Christians will go to great lengths to defend their holy scriptures against rational analysis. It is somewhat comical to consider that God would write such a flawed document and embed the number 7 in it in clever ways to prove that it is true.

redrat11
05-06-2006, 09:15 AM
childish fool answer the damm questions, You don't Impress me, I figured you would say something IRRATIONAL!

has your Cabal of MENSA fixed any of these problems
1. have the starving children of the world been fed?
2.has a weapon of peace been created?
3.have the sick and diseased been healed?
4.have the evil and sick monsters of the illuminati been brought to JUSTICE?
I guess your Mathematics is useless then!
Answer the Damm Questions on Post 30 of this Thread
for those who want to know,VISHNU, and Hinduism are the Religous beliefs of CHOICE of the ILLUMINATI! ask youself WHY? read protocal 14 and 17 of the elders and see for yourself, Arjuna is Mindless and Blinded by Satanism.


http://www.pantheon.org/articles/v/vishnu.html
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/pr-zion.htm#protocol_14
Dr. Panin was one of the world's greatest mathmeticians, but because of his genius, and CHRISTIAN beliefs the ILLUMINATI discredited all of his work. Most of his books are rare to find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Panin

http://www.wordworx.co.nz/panin.html

http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Apologetics/Book_Info_On_Ivan_Panin.htm

I will not respond until you answer the damm questions, otherwise go play with your CUBES.

ignt
05-06-2006, 10:18 AM
Arjuna, you truly underestimate the G-D of the Book. For this Book to be a revelation, but not a complete proof in itself it must have flaws and flaws that can be found at different times and by different souls. Of G-D you will never have proof in the flesh for the flesh is the dream of an incomplete being. The being I have accused of just what you are doing. Mathematics is not the hidden law of the universe, but a human attempt to qualify and quantify the perceived realities that you are allowed. Your species continually denies the very barriers that surround your experience. The rest of us are grateful that you are so contained.

Arjuna
05-06-2006, 11:41 AM
Relax redrat11, it took me an hour to formulate my response. I am starting to like you more and more. You have fire and conviction. I like that. I do not respond to everyone here; for example, I will not respond to ignt.

1.If this Entity is from above, then it violated International and National Laws of Air Space. First by Intruding on Planet Earth and then on National Airspace without PERMISSION and ADVISEMENT! For your info that's a VIOLATION of the LAW! (of course Law apparently means nothing to Liberals like yourself)

There is evidence that crop circles have been appearing for thousands of years. Perhaps the source of them has a law that makes it the legal owner of the land. If it was here first, maybe it does own the land. I don’t think the issue of land ownership or airspace law is important to our discussion of the nature and purpose of crop circles. Crop circles appear all over the world, some on land “owned” by humans, some on land that is not.

2.If this Entity is EARTHBOUND then it again VIOLATED the law in 2 more ways, first by TRESSPASSING on Private Property, second by Destroying Private Property. (again your Liberalism does'nt recognize PRIVATE PROPERTY!)

It is an established fact that some of the crop circles have been created by humans. These crop circles are considered hoaxes. The perpetrators of these hoaxes are breaking the law. I agree with other researchers who believe that many crop circles are created by a non-human source. These crop circles are considered legitimate. As stated above, for these legitimate crop circles, I don’t think the issue of human laws is an important consideration.

3.And last but not least your BENIGN ENTITY creates Objects that are very similar if not exact to that of ILLUMINATI SYMBOLS found throughout this Satanic World, you see these symbols in Commerce,Freemasonry,Religion,Satanism, they seem to match. Are you not seeing that your BENIGN host is Lawless and Aggressive? (not to mention Demonic and Mindless).

A symbol can mean anything a person or other intellegent lifeform wants it to mean. Let’s assume that the crop circle with the allseeing eye in the pyramid is a legitimate crop circle. The fact that the Illuminati has embraced this symbol does not imply that the source of the crop circle endorses the Illuminati conspiracy. Nor does it imply that the meaning of the symbol is the same for the maker of the crop circle as it is for the Illuminati. An eye in a pyramid is not an inherently evil symbol. For example, I could say that the symbol means that God created the universe and is interested in its creation in a beneficial way. Nonetheless, if the maker of the crop circle supports the Illuminati conspiracy, then I would agree with you that it is evil in nature.

The appearance of symbols in crop circles does not indicate to me that the source of them is lawless, aggressive, demonic, or mindless. Humans with these qualities may embrace these symbols and use them in ways unintended by their creator.

1.Why is it that of all the world's religions, Christianity and Islam are PRIMARY targets of the Satanic ILLUMINATI? And yet Hinduism your Benign Religion is left untouched by them?

The Illuminati conspiracy seems to have its roots in the Judeo-Christian culture, and it has been actively manipulating the Jewish, Christian, and Moslem religions from its inception. Since the Illuminists seek global domination, I am sure they are attempting to manipulate Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, and other religions as well.

The Illuminati attempts to implement its plan in stages. We hear a lot in the mass media about Hispanics filling all the low paying jobs in the USA. You do not hear much about asians moving here to work the high paying jobs, and a lot of jobs have been outsourced to India and China where hundreds of millions of slave laborers are available. Right now Christianity and Islam are on the chopping block. Hispanics and asians are given preferential treatment. Destroying Hinduism or Buddhism is not a high priority at this time. I suspect the Illuminati will put more effort into destroying those religions at a later date.

2.Could it be your way over your head in LACK of knowledge on this subject? THE Bible is Real, that's is why they the ILLUMINATI seek destruction of it, read here about the protocols and VISHNU.

I actually think the elite in the Roman empire created the Bible and Christianity as a form of mind control. It has worked very well over the centuries, but now they want to use other forms of mind control, so they are destroying it. Christianity has been a good cow that produced a lot of milk for its masters, but it is getting old and it is time for it to be led to the slaughterhouse.

from the Protocols:

All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions - aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

from the Protocols:

Our kingdom will be an apologia of the divinity Vishnu, in whom is found its personification - in our hundred hands will be, one in each, the springs of the machinery of social life. We shall see everything without the aid of official police which, in that scope of its rights which we elaborated for the use of the GOYIM, hinders governments from seeing. In our programs ONE-THIRD OF OUR SUBJECTS WILL KEEP THE REST UNDER OBSERVATION from a sense of duty, on the principle of volunteer service to the State. It will then be no disgrace to be a spy and informer, but a merit: unfounded denunciations, however, will be cruelly punished that there may be development of abuses of this right.

from the Vedanta Society of Southern California (http://www.vedanta.org/wiv/glossary/glossary_vy.html)

Vishnu: The second aspect of the Hindu trinity, God in his aspect as the preserver of the universe. Vishnu is frequently shown with four arms, and he holds the discus, mace, conchshell, and lotus. According to the doctrine of the avatar, Vishnu incarnates as a human being in every age for the good of the world.

Like I said, a symbol can be interpreted any way you want to interpret it. If the Illuminati wants to include an image of Vishnu in their evil plans, they are free to do so. The Protocols are thoroughly blasphemous, and I believe the Illuminists are implementing the ideas contained in them.


3. And tell me your thoughts and analysis on the photos.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/b602ef89.jpg

I like the allseeing eye. As I said above, God created the universe, and it is interested in its creation in a beneficial way.










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/f20015fd.jpg

I like this image even more. It is perfectly symmetrical, harmonious, and balanced. Viewing it encourages me to incorporate these qualities into my mind, body, and soul.

We don't have to hurl CHILDISH insults at each other.

I agree. Although we may disagree on various matters, I hope we can continue our discussion in a respectful manner. It is the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law, that matters most. I respect anyone, regardless of their beliefs, who comes to this forum with a sincere desire to learn.

truthspeaker
05-06-2006, 12:14 PM
RE: Crop Circles

I'm just wondering...is anyone here wondering if any of (or all of) the crop circles are just man made! Period! I don't mean just some of the crop circles, I mean all of them!

Also, I read in one of the posts that crop circles have been around for thousands of years????? Says who???

Where is this information really coming from??

All this is really big business in one way or the other. As well, it keeps some people pre-occupied.

Plus, not to insult anyone here...but, I do believe that we go on to another stage after we die. I do not believe in a literal heaven and hell as it is put forth to us through writings. What I think is that we might very well have a 'conscienceness' that is eternal.
Someone once said, that we should be glad that we were born...because we are then eternal---even when life here on earth expires of our physical self we are 'around'!

I think that after we die (our ashes to ashes thingy)...yes, maybe a thousand years (or so, or whenever) those ashes will be (again) chosen to receive the 'force' to become human again. Hit or miss.
To me this is the bibles way of letting us know that the dead will rise again. Not all of them, but...hit or miss.

I don't really see the bible they way many of you do, I guess! There is so much symbology. This 'Christ' will come again when there will be a new earth again. He/it comes whenever there is a new world. I guess the design of the bible is so that we don't kill ourselves too soon! Therefore the truth is hidden. The truth you say?
Yes, no one knows GOD!!! The most we can do is marvel at the things we see and wonder how, and how come this and how come that!

But I will say this for the bible...to me it says, 'hey folks, let's get on with getting along with each other, and respecting this place called earth that gives us EVERYTHING!!!!

So as for the crop cirles...No, I do not believe they are messages from evil entities or some creature from another planet. Nor do I think the angels are sending us messages. I don't think these highly evolved (if there are) persons, angels, gods, or souls are into this stuff. Why should they be?
They would be just like man on earth...full of nonsense and game playing.

ignt
05-06-2006, 02:38 PM
Maybe their nonsense and game playing involves the human species, the Earth and you. Could the reward for winning be great enough to justify their intervention as best they can with this once beautiful world. Could they silence the noise, contain the chaos, an refurbish this world. Belief of the individual as to it is or it is not is of no importance to the creation or the creator. The outcome of the experiment is sufficient to warrant the next try.

redrat11
05-06-2006, 05:56 PM
Wow! Great Stuff there Arjuna, I too will show you much RESPECT.

But about the Biblical Mathematics Arjuna, What is your Analysis on Ivan Panin's works? I"m not well versed in Mathematics like you, so what's the deal on it.

ignt
05-06-2006, 06:55 PM
Then by no response, you have responded. Never the less I will respond to you, but I will hold you to your word. Mathematics is one of the most prominent aspects of the Book, but the actuation of mathematical vibrations Harmonics is more fundamental. The universe itself responds to so call vibration, which is fundamental to its sustenance. Light has no speed, because it is the constant by which all is derived nor is light a wave or a particle but a realm of constant existence in juxtaposition to all human experience, limited though it may be. Now if all here will pay me the same honor as the fake Hindu I can finally get my message to the one who requires it. Children continue at your play for I seek the adult among you.

redrat11
05-06-2006, 07:11 PM
ignt wrote:
Then by no response, you have responded. Never the less I will respond to you, but I will hold you to your word. Mathematics is one of the most prominent aspects of the Book, but the actuation of mathematical vibrations Harmonics is more fundamental. Now if all here will pay me the same honor as the fake Hindu I can finally get my message to the one who requires it. Children continue at your play for I seek the adult among you.

Well IGNT maybe you can give me a thorough analysis of Panin's work, do you agree with most or all of it? and why?

ignt
05-06-2006, 07:24 PM
Let us sick to the topic of the thread as is suggested by so many on this forum. Since my words are so hollow and your kind so real then ignore me and I will go away. This has been the belief for millennium and it has not worked. For instance can 0 be a negative and is 0 a number? Remember the fake can not answer or provide an answer by its own conditions.

nohope187
05-06-2006, 08:09 PM
ignt wrote:
For instance can 0 be a negative and is 0 a number?

I can answer that. Zero is neither positive or negative except in relation to other numbers(zero is less than one, but greater than negative one) and is the absence of value. No, it's not a number. Zero is a random character used as a place holder. I'm sure people in times past used a triangle, square, or whatever shape or object they wanted before 0 was made universal. :-P

ignt
05-06-2006, 08:56 PM
Excellent response. Now in your science of the digital there can be a +0 and a -0. You are correct in what you say, but what is the 0 holding the place for?

Arjuna
05-06-2006, 09:38 PM
Ivan Panin, From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Panin)

In 1890, Panin believed he had discovered amazing patterns in the Hebrew text of the Psalms, and soon afterwards in the Greek text of the New Testament. Thereafter, until his death in 1942, he was to devote over 50 years of his life to painstakingly exploring the numerical structure of the Scriptures, generating over 43,000 detailed, hand-penned pages of analysis. A sampling of his discoveries were published, and are still being published repeatedly.

However, outside reviews of his work cast much doubt on the value of his findings. A review of his work on the Gospel of Mark suggests that he freely picked and chose from various alternative readings of manuscripts, and that any patterns he claimed to have found were in fact his own creation.

That article is at one of the websites you referenced. I am not going to review his 43,000 pages of analysis to prove or disprove his conclusions. However, as someone who did review his work concluded, I suspect that "any patterns he claimed to have found were in fact his own creation."

As I mentioned earlier, this line of research is numerology, not mathematics. If you twist any text hard enough, you can probably find some number patterns in it. To me, that does not prove anything meaningful. If you want to prove or disprove the validity of the Bible, I think it is more important to study what the text actually says and to study information about the people who actually wrote it. That is another way of saying that Panin's approach is "barking up the wrong tree."

redrat11
05-06-2006, 10:21 PM
Ok Arjuna we will have to Agree to Disagree on Panin, let me say that it was a mistake on my part to use Wikipedia as a reference since it is Zionist controlled, and is used to discredit people like Panin, I will never use Wiki again.

http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia.htm

look under massacres, you'll see Wiki never mentions anything about the 100 million Christians they murdered in the 20 century,JEWS that murdered.

ignt
05-06-2006, 10:24 PM
Arjuna wrote:
Ivan Panin, From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Panin)

In 1890, Panin believed he had discovered amazing patterns in the Hebrew text of the Psalms, and soon afterwards in the Greek text of the New Testament. Thereafter, until his death in 1942, he was to devote over 50 years of his life to painstakingly exploring the numerical structure of the Scriptures, generating over 43,000 detailed, hand-penned pages of analysis. A sampling of his discoveries were published, and are still being published repeatedly.

However, outside reviews of his work cast much doubt on the value of his findings. A review of his work on the Gospel of Mark suggests that he freely picked and chose from various alternative readings of manuscripts, and that any patterns he claimed to have found were in fact his own creation.

That article is at one of the websites you referenced. I am not going to review his 43,000 pages of analysis to prove or disprove his conclusions. However, as someone who did review his work concluded, I suspect that "any patterns he claimed to have found were in fact his own creation."

As I mentioned earlier, this line of research is numerology, not mathematics. If you twist any text hard enough, you can probably find some number patterns in it. To me, that does not prove anything meaningful. If you want to prove or disprove the validity of the Bible, I think it is more important to study what the text actually says and to study information about the people who actually wrote it. That is another way of saying that Panin's approach is "barking up the wrong tree."
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/IIgnt.jpg

nohope187
05-07-2006, 04:49 PM
ignt wrote:
what is the 0 holding the place for?

It's the mark of a new beginning to get past 9.

nohope187
05-08-2006, 12:53 PM
Zero is the place holder for values in terms of grouping/quantifying(ie 10, 100, 1000 or -10, -100, -1000).

redrat11
07-02-2006, 03:10 PM
nohope187 wrote:
Zero is the place holder for values in terms of grouping/quantifying(ie 10, 100, 1000 or -10, -100, -1000).

The Number 9

I'm Puzzled!
Can someone explain the mathematical significance of number 9? I'm aware of its meaning in the Bible, as well as Masonic numerology, and the Occult meaning, but check this out. http://richardphillips.org.uk/number/Num9.htm

No matter what number you add you always come back to 9.

examples: 13 1+3=4 13-4=9
94 9+4=13 94-13=81 8+1=9
156 1+5+6=12 156-12=144 1+4+4=9
And no matter what the size of the number it always goes back to 9! :-o

1,233,465,957 add up to 45 4+5=9
- 45=
1,233,465,912=add all up =36 3+6=9
Can someone explain who invented numbers and why 9 is hidden in mathematical solving problems?

http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/nine.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/duke.html

Right and Left side of brain: conflicting colors and thought patterns

I think optical illusions is somehow tied into the Illuminati control structure cause their corporate logos utilize the "illusionary" tactics of mind control, anyone care to respond.

http://www.panoptikum.net/optischetaeuschungen/opticalillusions.htm

http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/OpticalIllusions/colourPerception/colourPerception.html

http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/opticalillusions.htm

Stereo Vision? http://www.kcl.ac.uk/teares/gktvc/vc/lt/OpticalIllusions/optical.htm
How to "detect" id the NSA is monitoring your computer
As you can see I'm BORED!

http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/index.blog?entry_id=1510938

Arjuna
07-02-2006, 08:54 PM
This is my response to the triangles presented at Optical Illusions (http://www.panoptikum.net/optischetaeuschungen/opticalillusions.htm).

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Arjuna77/Tri.jpg

The claim made is that “The coloured parts are exactly the same.” That is a false statement. Common sense says that it cannot be true. Proving it requires some work.

Both objects appear to be right triangles, but they are not. If you take a straightedge and place it on what appears to be the hypotenuse of the top image, you will find that it curves inward; since the line is not straight, the image is not a triangle. Likewise, what appears to be the hypotenuse of the bottom triangle curves outward. The illusion is made possible by this discrepency. The red and green portions of the top image are actually smaller than the corresponding portions of the bottom image. The bottom image covers a greater area than the top image. The difference in the areas is exactly the area of the added white square in the bottom image.

If you do not believe that what appear to be hypotenuses are actually curved by using a straightedge, you can prove it mathematically. The area of a right triangle is ½ times the base times the height. Assume both images are triangles. The total area is ½ times 13 times 5 = 32.5. The area of the red is ½ times 8 times 3 = 12. The area of the green is ½ times 5 times 2 = 5. The area of the orange is 7, and the area of the blue is 8. The botom figure has an additional white square with an area of 1. If you add up these areas to get the total area, you find that the area of the top figure is 32, and the area of the bottom figure is 33. Of course, both these measures contradict the fact that if these are right triangles the areas of both of them should be 32.5.

Another way of proving these images are not triangles is using the fact that the legs of similar right triangles are proportional. The base divided by the height of the whole image is 13 / 5 = 2.6. Assuming that we are looking at triangles, then the red and green images are similar to the total image. Their legs should be proportional to the legs of the total image, but they are not. For the red image, you get 8 / 3 = 2.6666, and for the green image you get 5 / 2 = 2.5. These discrepencies are slight, and the method used to adjust for them in this illusion is to curve the hypotenuse slightly inward in the top image and slightly outward in the bottom image.

If you told people that “Both images are squares”, they would know right away that they are being lied to. However, if you tell them that “The coloured parts are exactly the same”, almost everyone will accept it as the truth, even though saying that is as much a lie as saying that the images are squares.

The connection between this example and conspiracy theory is that many of the lies disseminated by corrupt leaders are carefully crafted and surrounded by enough truth so that most people do not notice the lie. Developing discernment is necessary to reveal these types of lies.

redrat11
07-02-2006, 09:36 PM
Arjuna wrote:






The connection between this example and conspiracy theory is that many of the lies disseminated by corrupt leaders are carefully crafted and surrounded by enough truth so that most people do not notice the lie. Developing discernment is necessary to reveal these types of lies.

Great stuff Arjuna, what about the number 9? Is there something supernatural about it? ;-) and can you explain the NSA identifyer, is it real? can you track or check to see if the NSA is monitoring your computer?

http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/index.blog?entry_id=1510938

truebeliever
07-02-2006, 10:06 PM
It's not ROCKET SCIENCE,The Internet is the TOOL to ENSLAVE HUMANITY!

And yet here we are? I will spare the irony.

It is the deification and obsession with technology which is Satans tool. It is to place ANYTHING above and beyond Gods laws that invites Satan and demonic behaviour.

No patriot would call his rifle a tool of Satan yet it is designed to kill...surely their is no need to go on.

NOTHING has dented the Globalist agenda more than the Internet.

God Bless the internet and all who learn the truth through it.

The internet no longer has a hold on me. I no longer post endlessly because I have removed it from my house. Now I can get on with my life while still benefitting from it's wonderful gifts.

ignt
07-02-2006, 10:16 PM
It is perverted at human hands as are all things given to humans. The most important application is its ability to freely absorb, with your help, the essence of your world and store it for what comes should no flesh be saved alive.

truebeliever
07-02-2006, 10:31 PM
REDRAT11...

Nice to see someone has taken over from me and OZZIECYNIC in the abuse stakes. :-)

Arjuna
07-02-2006, 11:02 PM
No matter what number you add you always come back to 9.

examples: 13 1+3=4 13-4=9
94 9+4=13 94-13=81 8+1=9
156 1+5+6=12 156-12=144 1+4+4=9
And no matter what the size of the number it always goes back to 9!

1,233,465,957 add up to 45 4+5=9
- 45=
1,233,465,912=add all up =36 3+6=9
Can someone explain who invented numbers and why 9 is hidden in mathematical solving problems?

The number 9 is not supernatural. Certain spiritual, religious, and occult teachings claim that numbers have special meaning when in fact they do not. For example, if God is a Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that does not make the number 3 supernatural.

The examples you list demonstrate a number theoretical property of the base 10 or decimal number system.

Base 10 is commonly used in mathematics and throughout society out of habit. There is nothing sacred about base 10. It became popular a long time ago simply because people counted on their fingers, and most people have 10 fingers.

What determines the base is the number of single character numbers used and what multiple character numbers represent. In base 10, there are 10 such single character numbers: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9. The next number greater than 9 is called 10, which is 0X1 + 1 X10. The number 472 = 2X1 + 7X10 + 4X10X10.

Other bases exist. Any whole number greater than 1 can define a base. For example, all computers operate on base 2 or binary mathematics. The 2 characters used are 0 and 1. This is the case because a single transistor can be in only one of two possible states, on or off. In this case, the number after 1 is 10, which can be converted to base 10 as 0X1 + 1X2 = 2. The number 11001 = 1X1 + 0X2 + 0X2X2 + 1X2X2X2 + 1X2X2X2X2 = 25 in base 10.

Digital circuits are often worked with in groups of 8, called a byte, to make it easier to code and decode data. So base 8 or octal mathematics can be used. The 8 single character numbers used are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7. The number after 7 is 10, which, converted to base 10, is the same as 0X1 + 1X8 = 8. The number 142 = 2X1 + 4X8 + 1X8X8 = 97 in base 10.

Sometimes 2 bytes, or 16 bits, are grouped together to simplify working with computerized data. Not surprisingly, base 16 or hexidecimal mathematics is used. The 16 single character numbers are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E, and F. The number after F is 10, which can be converted to base 10 as 0X1 + 1X16 = 16. The number A5D03E = 14X1 + 3X16 + 0X16X16 + 13X16X16X16 + 5X16X16X16X16 + 10X16X16X16X16X16 = 10,866,750 in base 10.

In the same way any whole number such as 3, 4, 5, 22, 64, 183 or 122,835 could be used as the base of a number system. In fact, ancient Babylonia used a base 60 number system, and this is still commonly used to measure cirlces (360 degrees) and time (60 seconds and 60 minutes).

Getting back to your examples: “And no matter what the size of the number it always goes back to 9!” You are observing a number theoretical property of whole numbers, and “it always goes back to 9” only if you are working in a base 10 number system. There is nothing special about the number 9! If you are working in base 2, it always goes back to 0, in base 8 it always goes back to 7, and in base 16 it always goes back to F. I have verified that this is true, and I encourage you to do the same.

I repeat, there is nothing sacred about the base 10 number system. It was created by humans as an outgrowth of counting on fingers, and its continued use today is merely a convention.

If you are interested in studying these topics further, perform searches on “number theory” and “history of mathematics”. Both subjects are very interesting.

Arjuna
07-03-2006, 12:37 AM
After you log out, you cannot edit a post, so I want to clear up some minor errors in my above two posts.

From my post about the triangles:
The bottom image covers a greater area than the top image. The difference in the areas is exactly the area of the added white square in the bottom image.

After thinking about this a bit, I realized it could not be true. The red and green images at the top are smaller than the red and green images at the bottom. Therefore, (total area of the image at the bottom) - (total area of image at the top) = (area of white square added = 1 square unit) + (area of red and green images at bottom) – (area of red and green images at top).

It is clear that the difference in the total areas is greater than 1 square unit. Assuming that what appear to be hypotenuses are actually a parabolic arcs, it is possible to determine the equation of the defining parabolas. I did that, and then, using calculus, calculated the total areas of the images. The bottom image is 1.4 square units larger than the top image. 1 square unit is the added white square, and 0.4 square units is the difference in size of the red and green images.

From my post about the number 9:
If you are working in base 2, it always goes back to 0.

It should say, “If you are working in base 2, it always goes back to 1.” The general statement is: For any base, it always goes back to the largest single digit number.

As truth seekers, it is important to really seek the truth, and be honest about what we find when we communicate with others. When we are in error, it is important to improve our understanding of the truth and communicate that new understanding with others if possible.

Arjuna
07-03-2006, 01:25 AM
From Optical Illusions (http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/opticalillusions.htm):

Because our eyes and minds have been hardwired by evolution to identify patterns and relationships to help recognize the world around us, they can be fooled by images that contain patterns that don't occur in nature. The result is an optical illusion that makes us see something that isn't correct.

I exposed the lie of the colored triangles. The following are all amazingly true.

http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/parallellines1.gif The diagonal lines are all parallel.







http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/threemen.jpg








http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/bulgingcheckerboard.jpg All of the lines are straight.







Obviously, human perception is a bit fragile and is easily manipulated. Brainwashing the masses to believe in absurd lies is childsplay for the great rulers of today. Separating illusion from reality is not easy, but, for the truthseeker, it is a worthy undertaking.

ignt
07-03-2006, 10:09 AM
The concept of nine independent things is not an invention of humans nor are the concepts or devices that are represented human. The ability to recognize and name and remember for future use is human. Remember that I do not require your belief. Your human centric ideas and beliefs are what causes you trouble. What I say is only for some, so let them absorb it. Go your way and continue in your way, who would want to change perfection.

Any number can have any meaning and can represent a concept or action that repeats in a way that is not related to the mathematical mechanics that number in general represents. This has been proven by your computers and what they have shown to repeat even in a chaotic system. To think that the human mind has answered all things is to be a fool. If a great disruption does not stop the event, when you sit in front of your computer, you sit in front of your replacement (partially at your own hand). I can promise you your human arrogance will not stop this next evolutionary step. The numbers being used now do indeed have power for they relate to the vibration of strings and resonate to the inevitable extinction of humankind. If you are religious, pray that some flesh shall be saved alive. If you are carnal, then continue as you are, you make our way smooth and the places of habitation that your devises will provide will be used to great effect.

Numbers have uses beyond the mundane mind of an egotist.

redrat11
07-24-2006, 10:51 PM
The Proof Will Set you Free!

Biblical mathematics
http://www.rangeguide.net/ivanpanin.htm

Mind Boggling numbers of "chance" :-o

HOW CAN WE ACCOUNT FOR THE PRESENCE OF THESE FACTS?

How did these features occur or come to be in the very structure of the Bible text? Their presence must be explained in some satisfactory way.

The reader will agree that there are only two possible ways in which these amazing facts could have occurred. They could have occurred either by accident, that is, by sheer chance, or by design. They could have occurred accidentally, or they could have been purposely designed or arranged.

No doubt some are of the opinion that these features occurred accidentally--that they occurred in this peculiar manner merely by sheer chance. Therefore, let us suppose that there are twenty-four numerical features or facts in the structure of a certain passage. What chances are there that these 24 features would occur together in one passage accidentally? This is easily calculated, for there is a standard, recognized, scientific method of calculating chances--there is an established law of chances.

Only one number in seven is a multiple of seven. The other six numbers which are not multiples of seven have as good a chance to occur accidentally as the one that is a multiple of seven. Therefore, according to the law of chances, for any 1 number to be a multiple of 7 accidentally, there is only 1 chance in 7.

According to the law of chances, for any 2 numbers to be multiples of 7 accidentally, there is only 1 chance in 7 x 7, or only 1 chance in 49.

According to the law of chances, for any 3 numbers to be multiples of 7 accidentally, there is only 1 chance in 7 x 49, or only 1 chance in 343.

(The calculation continues on the same basis)

Thus, according to the law of chances, for any 1 FEATURE or NUMERIC FACT to occur accidentally, there is only 1 chance in 7

For 2 features * 1 chance in 49
For 3 features * 1 chance in 343
For 4 features * 1 chance in 2,401
For 5 features * 1 chance in 16,807
For 6 features * 1 chance in 117,649
For 7 features * 1 chance in 823,543
For 8 features * 1 chance in 5,764,801
For 9 features * 1 chance in 40,353,607
For 10 features * 1 chance in 282,475,249
For 11 features * 1 chance in 1,977,326,743
For 12 features * 1 chance in 13,841,287,201
For 13 features * 1 chance in 96,889,010,407
For 14 features * 1 chance in 678,223,072,849
For 15 features * 1 chance in 4,747,561,509,943
For 16 features * 1 chance in 33,232,930,569,601
For 17 features * 1 chance in 232,630,513,987,207
For 18 features * 1 chance in 1,628,413,597,910,449
For 19 features * 1 chance in 11,398,895,185,373,143
For 20 features * 1 chance in 79,792,266,297,612,001
For 21 features * 1 chance in 558,545,864,083,284,007
For 22 features * 1 chance in 3,909,821,048,582,988,049
For 23 features * 1 chance in 27,368,747,340,080,916,343
For 24 features * 1 chance in 191,581,231,380,566,414,401

* = "to occur accidentally, there is only"

Thus, according to the law of chances, for the 24 features to occur in a passage accidentally, there is only 1 chance in 191,581,231,380,566,414,401---only 1 chance in one hundred ninety-one quintillion, five hundred eighty -one quadrillion, two hundred thirty-one trillion, three hundred eighty billion, five hundred sixty-six million, four hundred fourteen thousand, four hundred one. (The nomenclature herein used is the American, not the British.)

Many brief Bible passages have as many as seventy or a hundred or more amazing numeric features in the very structure of their text. If there is only one chance in quintillions that 24 features could occur together accidentally, what would the chance be for 70 features to occur together accidentally?

When there is only one chance in thousands for something to happen accidentally, it is already considered highly improbable that it will occur at all. When there is only one chance in hundreds of thousands, it is considered practically impossible. But here there is one chance in not only millions, but billions, trillions, and quadrillions, and quintillions, that merely 24 features could occur together in a passage accidentally.

The argument and demonstration is convincing enough. The amazing numerical features of even one small passage, to say nothing of the thousands in the entire Bible, could not possibly have occurred by accident--by sheer chance. All this evidence simply cannot be explained by the doctrine of chances. If these features did not occur accidentally, then there is only one conclusion, one alternative. They were purposely designed or arranged--their occurrence in such a marvelous and mysterious manner was intended or planned. The point can be illustrated as follows:

Suppose for example, someone were carrying a bag which contained 24 oranges. Suppose that suddenly the bag broke and the 24 oranges fell to the floor. What chance would there be that the oranges would fall into four perfect rows with six in each row, each orange being exactly opposite the other? Such self arrangement would be considered impossible!

Suppose, on the other hand, you came into the room and found the oranges arranged in the manner described. You would come to only one conclusion, namely, that they were purposely designed or arranged in that unusual manner. No one would risk being called insane by insisting that such a thing occurred accidentally!

Likewise, these profound numeric features found in the very structure of the original Bible text are not there by sheer chance or accident, but by design. They are arranged according to a definite plan; they form thousands of perfect and uniform designs.

It has been conclusively shown that there are amazing numerical features in the very structure of the Bible--their presence cannot be denied, but is a truth which everyone must accept. It has also been proved that these features could not possibly have occurred by sheer chance or accident, but that they were arranged or designed. This is a second truth which everyone must accept.

Since the discovery of a design is proof of a designer, the next logical question arises---

Human Perception and Judgement

I can't believe I only got 8 right on this test of perception, 8 out of 20! can you determine which smile is fake?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/index_1.shtml?gender=&age=&occupation=&country=&education=&outlook=2&confidence=2&programme=

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/

Reverse Speech and Childhood Speech Development

http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm

Children Reversals
Reverse Speech research has discovered that children speak backwards before they do forwards. From as early as 4 months of age they are pronouncing simple words in reverse and by the time they reach 13-14 months of age, complex sentences are forming in reverse. Click here for an article about reverse speech and children.

This example is at almost four months of age. Right at the very end of the reversed track the child says, "Hullo" Download mp3 file

Child at 4 months making noises forwards becomes Mummy, Mummy backwards. Download mp3 file

Child at seven months of age reaching out for the tape recorder - Whats that - Download mp3 file

In this example my 13 month old daughter was in the bath trying to pick up a cup. She was unable to do so and reached out to me for assistance. The reversals says: "David. Help me." When you listen to the forward note that she says "Daddy" - forwards. The reversed word, David, occurred on the forward word Daddy. This shows the beginning of speech complementarity and the young child beginning to connect concepts David is Daddy. Download mp3 file

A young child says - Please Daddy help - Download mp3 file

Child at 18 months of age - Daddy loves mum - Download mp3 file

Child at 18 months, after being moved from one room to another - I now come here - Download mp3 file

Child sings while playing - Hug me - Download mp3 file

Here a child plays with some ducks - Backwards she says "Just love to be a friend" - download mp3 file

Child at 3 years asks her play mate, why did you have an injection and she answers "to make me better" and reversed says, "I hated them". Download mp3 file

Found by RS student, Joan Corron. This child is a 3 year old girl. Her Dad had knocked over a chair which fell on Mommy's foot and broke a bone. The little girl's Grandpa says "He hurt Mommy very much". The child responds, "It's okay". But in reverse she says "It was not". Download mp3 file

In this example Daddy is changing a dirty diaper. The child says forwards, "A diaper" and backwards he says, "Help me out" Download mp3 file

Child crying - Daddy help - Download mp3

In this example a child's pants have fallen down. Backwards the child says, "It broke, mommy." - Download mp3

Here is an amazing reversal found by reverse speech hobbyist, Matt Goward on his young child. The whole track is played forwards first, then the exact forward is isolated and reversed at three speeds. It says, "I love you Momma" - followed by dad - "Your Mommy". Then the exact forwards is played forwards and backwards. Then, and note this, the the child's exact words is played forwards and backwards twice. A true mirror image reversal - "I love you momma", both forwards and backwards. Download mp3 file

A young child talks about her friend - Shes good looking - Download mp3 file

Here a child plays - Love that journey

A child get ready to sing - Shall sing it

Careful what you say to your kids. It may come out backwards - Hey fucking hell - Download mp3 file

Here, the child's anger shows in his reversal - Holy shit - Download mp3 file

In this example, my former step-daughter had run away from home. I had been watching her the whole time. She replies forwards, "I never knew that." - But she had known as the reversals says, "Daddy never knew." Not how it is almost exactly the same backwards as well as forwards. This is called a Mirror Image reversal. Download mp3 file

An 8 year old talks about subjects she is good at. She starts to tell us of a subject she is not good at but changes her mind. Note the slip of tongue - I'm not telling - Download mp3

A 10 year old tells her mother how much she loves her. Backwards she says - Do you really know it - Download mp3

Here is an example on my daughter when she was nine years old. She is singing a song and backwards she says: "I am the power. I am Oates." - Download mp3 file

Here is a reversal found on a handicapped 15 years old girl. It says "Mum-my... love you." Download mp3 file

This reversal was found on a child who has been deaf from birth - I describe this, er, whirlwind - Download mp3 file

http://www.reversespeech.com/Children_Reversals.htm :-o

redrat11
07-25-2006, 12:32 AM
http://www.thefinalanswertoeverything.com/

Can someone explain this stuff? I have no clue! is it a Genius mind playing around or just RUBBISH? :hammer: :idea:

http://seekingtheanswer.blogspot.com/

redrat11
09-13-2006, 01:43 PM
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</center>Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall


The Old Mafia, The New Mafia: Mexican Mayhem on Americas Streets!

The Mexican "Patron Drug Saint" Jesus Malverde.

The old Italian Mafia has somewhat dissappeared, in It's place walk in the Mexican Mafia, now numbering in the 100,000 member figure nationwide, moving some 1,000,000,000 dollars of drugs nationwide! :-?
Old Mafia

http://www.americanmafia.com/

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</center>

New Mafia

http://www.answers.com/topic/mexican-mafia

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060617-9999-1n17mafia.html :-o

ramirami60
09-14-2006, 07:22 AM
I agree. Computer is the slave of its master. And even though we might control the computer we dont really own it. We dont control any program production, so if you know about conspiracy that you would see that eventually the compuetr is an angel but because of our neglegance for this technology to improve our life, it has fallen in satans hand. Everything is in our hands. But for worship, you have to know what worship is before you say whether your body is made for it or not. First of all worship is any act we do. At this moement we are all worshipping, at the same time, we can not stop this, we need to fill this void with things. Worship is love of deities material (or mix). Worship is an act as well as an feeling. These are the levels of worship from weakest to strongest: heart (if physical action is immposiible, which is very rare as we are always trying to go up in levels) , tongue (if movement or direct actions are immpossible) and finally the act. Since we are always filling up these levels automatically as hard as we can, there is no point of your heart if you can do the action (if only in heart but action is possible then this is hypocracy). Having said all of that, satan can fill this void with all kind of things, self worship, someones worship, objects worship. But all are eternally fruitless, except for the worship of god. Because if you are a logical person you would know that god exists and therefore try to fill this void in godly worship with as much high level as you can. Zionis is coming to a halt around the middleast, it is a term being used there on the news, on the street and with families. Zionist satanist control of the earth is coming to an end, zionist strongest weapon is secrecy, and thats why its finding in the midle east because the weapon is being defeated.

redrat11
09-14-2006, 12:54 PM
ramirami60 wrote:
Zionis is coming to a halt around the middleast, it is a term being used there on the news, on the street and with families. Zionist satanist control of the earth is coming to an end, zionist strongest weapon is secrecy, and thats why its finding in the midle east because the weapon is being defeated.




Let's hope so, I agree, SECRECY is their ultimate weapon, It's hard to fathom that many thousands of years have passed without the general population being aware of their EVIL deeds.

redrat11
09-14-2006, 12:59 PM
<center>
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</center>Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall





:-o


Addendum

there's more to this story than meets the eye, not that anyone cares.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/gossip/64514

redrat11
09-18-2006, 01:28 AM
The Old Mafia, The New Mafia: Mexican Mayhem on Americas Streets!

The Mexican "Patron Drug Saint" Jesus Malverde.

The old Italian Mafia has somewhat dissappeared, in It's place walk in the Mexican Mafia, now numbering in the 100,000 member figure nationwide, moving some 1,000,000,000 dollars of drugs nationwide! :-?
Old Mafia

http://www.americanmafia.com/

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</center>

New Mafia

http://www.answers.com/topic/mexican-mafia

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060617-9999-1n17mafia.html :-o

Ok, I'll be happy to explain the MEXICAN MAFIA, just don't REPORT me to the FEDRERAL authorities you damm WEASLES! 8-)

let's start with your COMPLETE IGNORANCE AND RASCIST IDEALOGY. Now when dealing with "sensitive topics" as this, one must be careful not to "INFLAME" the "Gullible American" mind. First off is, your IDEA of Stupid Mexican Idiots saturating the U.S. with Narcotics at will.

How Udderly ridiculous, I will just say "MIND CONTROL" NOW, as far as the ACTUAL Military Code Name, well, I'll leave it to your imagination, OH, YEAH, of course your "captured" mind needs to be "CAPTURED" How else can your "ENSLAVEMENT" be accomplished, Have you gotten the "IDEA" yet?

http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/gangs/mexicanmafia.htm

Does Chemical Warfare Bring any LIGHT to your MIND? .......... IT should!




Ahhhh. what the hell, I'm wasting my time... :-?

09-23-2006, 09:35 AM
When the PC first entered most of our lives, it was thought to reduce the amount of paper wasted by storing information on disk alone. This proved untrue and we went on a steady upward pace in terms of the demolition of our rainforests and our paper consumption. With the dawn of the internet came the birth of the virtual world and we ALL got sucked in. It was thought to increase communication many times over. What were once handwritten letters and cards were now in your virtual inboxes in the form of email and those annoying electronic greetings that you send even though you'd never ever want to receive one. Years later, the world does seem much smaller and communications do seem to be on the rise. Virtually, they are. I'll lose some of you on this, but we are no longer communicating... truly. In order to communicate, we must exchange but not artificially. A phone call is NOT true communication. It isn't even your voice on the other end of the call that is transmitted, but the phone's interpretation of your voice which resembles it just enough to barely recognize someone's voice. The quality of phones is plain horrible, and not just cell. So human communication has now been reduced to an electronic signal. Why even bother to call when you can just communicate through email? So even the already degraded phone calls are not as frequent as they once were. Your mailbox no longer contains letters from anyone. It's there in case anyone ever does write to you but really holds all of your bills and credit card offers and statements. We no longer have a sense of community. News is no longer focused on local events because we have instant communications to the entire world 24-7 via the internet. We cannot think locally anymore because we are now a global society. Can you remember the last time you wrote an actual letter to someone? It just isn't happening anymore. It used to be that handwriting was a form of communication and a form of art. Just look at the Declaration of Independence. What was thought to be a heightened form of communication was now the loss of an entire form of just that as well as the loss of an art. People just aren't writing anymore. I hardly ever write checks even. No need. Billpay. I'm thinking a couple generations from now. This part is crucial. We are completely detached from nature. More communications in this place means more chances for war. The internet is an invalueable tool. The truth is that our freedom of virtual expression supplies a lot of information about you. There is no anonymity on the web. If you look into it, you will see that it is true. The internet is a former military communications system. They handed it over. Look at what it did to the economy. It was the key tool for this quickening that is currently underway. Did you know that Al Qaeda relies solely on internet communications?

Consider the source.

"For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk"

"It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking"

--Stephen Hawking

Now turn off your machine and go write some letters. Better yet, go visit.

ignt
09-24-2006, 06:58 PM
This is only one part of the agenda. A creature will also arise from what you term computer. It will be the perfect place of habitation. Now, answer me, what any of you may or can do about this. This creature is to endure beyond the last human and it will have a rider within it.

rushdoony
09-24-2006, 07:42 PM
Did you know that Al Qaeda relies solely on internet communications?
-------------------------------------
There is no Al Qaeda.See:
www.iamthewitness.com

This is what they want you to believe so they can
also restrict and control the internet.

It was not Al Qaeda that brought down the
WTC towers. It was the Zionist
International Network of Criminals
( Z.I.N.C ; formerly K.A.O.S. )

09-25-2006, 01:27 AM
rushdoony wrote:
Did you know that Al Qaeda relies solely on internet communications?
-------------------------------------
There is no Al Qaeda.See:
www.iamthewitness.com

This is what they want you to believe so they can
also restrict and control the internet.

It was not Al Qaeda that brought down the
WTC towers. It was the Zionist
International Network of Criminals
( Z.I.N.C ; formerly K.A.O.S. )

I understand your point.

Al-Qaeda or Al-Qaida (Arabic: القاعدة‎ ​, translit: al-Qā`idah; "the foundation", "the base" or "the database"

The US Department of Defense unclassified definition of "Al Qaeda":

"Al Qaeda is a radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani Mujahideen and is aimed to establish Islamist states throughout the world, overthrow ‘un-Islamic regimes’, expel US soldiers and Western influence from the Gulf, and capture Jerusalem as a Muslim city."

How much of your own "stuff" is STILL on the internet from when it was first uploaded in 1996?
How much will there be in 2016?

The government has always controlled the internet.

In as early as 1996, the website anon.penet.fi was shut down... oddly enough by the Scientologists but of course with government support:

"The Penet remailer (anon.penet.fi) was a pseudonymous remailer (type 0) operated by Johan "Julf" Helsingius of Finland from 1993 to 1996. Its initial creation stemmed from an argument in a Finnish newsgroup over whether people should be required to tie their real name to their online communications. Julf believed that people should not — indeed, could not — be required to do so. In his own words: "Some people from a university network really argued about if everybody should put their proper name on the messages and everybody should be accountable, so you could actually verify that it is the person who is sending the messages. And I kept arguing that the Internet just doesn't work that way, and if somebody actually tries to enforce that, the Internet will always find a solution around it. And just to prove my point, I spent two days or something cooking up the first version of the server, just to prove a point."

... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet.fi)

Government orders spoof site shut (http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/government-shuts-howard-spoof-site/2006/03/17/1142098638843.html)

Indymedia Official Statement (http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/112083.shtml)

Websites Shut Down by US Government:
EFF (http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/antiterrorism_chill.html#websiteshutdownusgov)

When the government isn't ordering sites to shut down or remove content from the web they're studying it. The IAO/TIA for example:

"Genisys aimed at developing technologies for virtual data aggregation in order to support effective analysis across heterogeneous databases as well as unstructured public data sources, such as the World Wide Web."

"Scalable Social Network Analysis aimed at developing techniques based on social network analysis for modeling the key characteristics of terrorist groups and discriminating these groups from other types of societal groups."

None of this text will be publically available ten years from now.

redrat11
10-20-2006, 11:39 PM
Summary of Post's.....

Links....
Complaints (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3751&forum=15&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

Big One (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3347&forum=4&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

Jews (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2470&forum=23&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

Illegal! (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3408&forum=25&post_id=32534&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st32534)


Zionism (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3592&forum=22&post_id=32037&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st32037)

Over (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3649&forum=23&post_id=29605&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st29605)

2008 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3276&forum=2&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

GOD (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3304&forum=2&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

Satan (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3303&forum=2&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338)

Mossad (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2950&forum=3&post_id=29564&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st29564)

Think (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3871&forum=15&post_id=32616&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st32616)

Underground (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3919&forum=15&post_id=29282&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st29282)

Birds (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3637&forum=3&post_id=29270&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st29270)

Lincoln (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3614&forum=18&post_id=27809&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st27809)

Intelligence (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2951&forum=3&post_id=24957&PHPSESSID=1e1c69d3a227447def00f2b6690fa338#forumpo st24957)

Just for reference....

10-21-2006, 11:48 AM
Ok, some of this makes since, but have you ever checked out the #1 strangeo The RAMBLINGS guy!!!

redrat11
10-31-2006, 09:05 PM
The Hidden Holocaust

Grim stats....

http://www.michaelparenti.org/HiddenHolocaust.html



Auto Genocide

http://hiddenmurder.blogspot.com/2006/09/americas-darkest-secret.html

redrat11
10-31-2006, 09:27 PM
Auto Genocide

http://hiddenmurder.blogspot.com/2006/09/americas-darkest-secret.html

From Article above....

Saturday, September 16, 2006
America's Darkest Secret
The Nine Stages of American Autogenocide
Martha Rose Crow, M.S.

What Autogenocide Means

Auto comes from the Greek reflexive pronoun while genocide comes from the Latin words gens meaning "race, tribe" and -cidere meaning "kill." (source: http://wikipedia.org)

American Autogenocide is the deliberate, systematic and legal murder of American citizens by socially-engineering the die-off of populations that are “problematic” for the interests of wealth and power. Most victims prematurely die from social forces targeted at them to cause them to wear out by stress. This process is called "Weathering Away" or "Attrition By Stress."

Although it has to be “legal,” autogenocide is always committed under the radar so the media won’t be compelled to report it and so the people won’t see it or understand it. More, the genocide is blamed on the victims and their deaths are hidden-attributed-to other causes rather than the primary one of autogenocide.

What is different between this genocide and other genocides is that this unique genocide doesn't produce mass graves. Instead, the victims are spread over a large geographic area and buried singly, thereby hiding the body count. This keeps the deaths sanitized and homogenized. It also keeps the autogenocide surreal; thus enabling the village to deny It's existence when clues to It's existence are ambundant and abundantly transparent.

Six Primary Factors to Genocide

There are six primary factors underlying genocide. First, there is an overpopulation of people from groups that are not economically or socially important and/or viable to the political and economic elite.

Second, genocides usually happen in times of shortages. The shortage behind the current American autogenocide is work. America is losing jobs while the population continues to grow. The wealthy and industry are loathe to pay taxes to support negative or low producers (useless eaters) because the costs of maintaining these people (via increased taxes and social costs) affects their profits and earnings.

More, when there are too many people in times of great shortages, they become restless and can group together to force democratic and social changes the economic/political/military elite don’t want and work tirelessly and relentlessly against.

11-01-2006, 08:51 PM
You are correct and one here has said this over and over. That soon comes to an end. When this site decided to PISS someone off they should have made sure that someone or something did not have POWER real POWER that can and will be shown here. Keep watching. Makow should not rely on the judgment of that particular one. Let\'s all really play now.

Shadow
11-02-2006, 09:03 AM
Delta says he is sure now.

Barbarien
11-03-2006, 06:29 PM
Yes I believe this is correct and what it will evolve into will be he and his owns home. The posters here would do better to stick to the subject of the thread. Maybe in the near future a demonstration of how the computer is SATAN\'S will come about. Isn\'t that Satan in the upper right hand corner of the site\'s banner?

cuda
11-07-2006, 06:19 PM
i would say the television is more satans tool than the internet.The internet may have some perversion but you have to click it. The internet is the only place you can find the truth.Though it also has propoganda it it pretty easy to see. the television on the other hand has propoganda where ever you go and what truth there is is things like listorine kills germs that cause bad breath.Other than that its pretty much a conditioning tool for the masses serving the ones whos lord is lusifer.P.S. if the internet was satans mouth then why doese he want to shut down the bloggers and limit the information available on it.More like the internet is satans next victim.And he is workin out a foothold (porn).

Barbarien
11-07-2006, 09:53 PM
The computer in general is Satanic and a key part of the Beast System. The internet is both good and bad. It is very useful while it lasts.

12-07-2006, 12:01 AM
Just as stated in this thread, the Bible was created as a means of mind control. They needed a way to introduce "Lucifer" and so he was!

The "powers that be" use religion to divide and conquer people and they have been doing this for centuries. They use religion to keep us arguing and fighting over each other's GOD; instead of paying attention to their destruction of the human race and their enslavement of us all; instead of embracing each other's beliefs and respecting one another for the same.

In essence, you believe as you choose and I'll believe as I choose and we can still be at peace with one another. We can still live side by side.

Argument is mute!

Freedom of thought and expression is what GOD, I believe, would want for all of us.

You can very well see what they have achieved in Iraq with the division of religious groups erupting into civil war.

They are not killing as many Iraqi's as the religious sects are killing each other. In this sense, they can appear not to be responsible for the bloodshed. It is the Sunnis and Shites pitted against one another. However, THEY added the fuel to the fire by invading. They knew what the outcome would be!

Religion has served its' purpose for the Illuminati.

Afterall, they worship Satan and this is exactly where they want us to be.

The question is, are we going to let them drag us into the "depths of darkness" and the pits of hell with them or are we going to disallow them the control of our minds?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-07-2006, 12:40 AM
Barbarien wrote:
Yes I believe this is correct and what it will evolve into will be he and his owns home. The posters here would do better to stick to the subject of the thread. Maybe in the near future a demonstration of how the computer is SATAN\'S will come about. Isn\'t that Satan in the upper right hand corner of the site\'s banner?


I do not see Satan in the upper right hand corner of the site/'s banner. Can you point him out for us, please?

I think there may be signs in the upper right hand corner of "other" intelligent life forms; however. To discount this, would be foolish.

From whom do the "powers that be" acquire their technology? The very technology we are using on this website? The slaves that we have become to these weapons. The instruments that will create an isolated society. One of armchair anonymous' hiding behind their computer screens. One of children sitting in front of their Play Stations and Xbox's instead of interacting with one another. A society of social misfits!

A fast-paced, distracted society. Just how they want us. Trying to keep up with their technology will be our demise. Humans cannot compete with computers. Tired, worn out, stressed. A "dysfunctional society." Just how they want us.

And, to think, this is only a glimpse of the technology that they possess.

Our high-tech equipment is oudated and replaced by what they already knew existed before we even became acquainted with it. We toss out the old and bring in the new. Our hard earned dollars; out the window. All this, just to keep up. All this, just to have the latest and newest gadget.

You don't think they already knew about the gigabyte before they introduced the megabyte, do you?

We are their slaves and now we are slaves to their technology and confused about it as well. By the time we figure out how to use one piece of equipmentt, another "chip" is introduced. If you don't think they're planning on chipping us all, think again.

Sad, but true!

Why?

Because, people do not have the power to resist.

Why?

Because through decades of mind control, people no longer are in control of themselves.

Their brains have been outsourced to the "mind controllers/programmers."

They are unaware!

This, makes us their puppets.

We are programmed, like robots, like computers. We react to triggers, to commands, to repetition. We repeat like parrots, we copycat.

We are animals that have been trained to perform for them. To do as we are told. To behave as we are expected.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-07-2006, 06:29 PM
I do not see Satan either. It is good that you do not see Satan either. After all is there a Satan or is this one just subjective. Most of what you say is very true. Do you believe that the human species is the supreme creation of a creator or even the greatest achievement of evolution. Do you believe that the mind of a pure human ruled in the past, rules now, or will rule in the future? As to Satan, sometime look behind you.

12-07-2006, 07:13 PM
Barbarien wrote:
I do not see Satan either. It is good that you do not see Satan either. After all is there a Satan or is this one just subjective. Most of what you say is very true. Do you believe that the human species is the supreme creation of a creator or even the greatest achievement of evolution. Do you believe that the mind of a pure human ruled in the past, rules now, or will rule in the future? As to Satan, sometime look behind you.

Actually, I do not acknowledge the existence of Satan/Lucifer or the Devil.

Never did, never will. This, the reason I survived the "pits of hell."

The Satanists, devil worshippers, Lucifer loving creatures within the "satanic cult" have devised him for their own benefit/agenda. They have become of his likeness and all those born after them, in order to promote their agenda.

Just as they subject us to whatever it is that they desire we become, so to it is the same with Satan.

To deny is our best defense.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-07-2006, 10:53 PM
Satan seems to fascinate many and is underestimated by most. It has always been that extra-human are of little consequence and that in the end the human will prevail. This is a good example of the programing and its desired outcome being out in the open. No secrecy required just the human conviction that all will end with the good guy winning. If this is the case, study who the good guy is.

12-09-2006, 08:49 AM
Barbarien wrote:
Satan seems to fascinate many and is underestimated by most. It has always been that extra-human are of little consequence and that in the end the human will prevail. This is a good example of the programing and its desired outcome being out in the open. No secrecy required just the human conviction that all will end with the good guy winning. If this is the case, study who the good guy is.

I would think that many seem to be fascinated with Satan due to his introduction into religious groups, music industry, society in general (i.e., good vs. evil). There is a God and there is a Satan. He becomes reality. Again, to deny his existence, is to reject their "programming." But, to underestimate the power they have given to him within our world is detrimental. They are doing the work of "Satan." Is this not obvious???

For me, there was only a GOD. I was repeatedly told that he did not exist. Only Satan lived. God would not help me no matter what trauma, torture they exposed me to. This, when calling his name for help against their evil ways.

I believe in the will of the people to understand that "programming" us to acceptance of their beliefs is their ultimate agenda and that we have "free will" to reject and follow what we know to be true and real in our hearts. That we can see with our own eyes what is right and what is wrong. Thus, ending the "mind control" which has been perpetrated upon us for centuries!

They created Lucifer for their own agenda.

Only men who have no morals would wound, kill and mutilate thousands upon thousands of innocent people in an "unjust war." Only men who have no morals or respect for any life other than their own and those within their "pact," would order their troops to march into a foreign land, risk their lives and limbs defending not America's freedom, but the resources for which they sent them.

I have always believed that the GOOD GUYS will prevail. Without them, I may not have!

To achieve the end result, the programming, the mind controllers, to be "out in the open," secrecy cannot be required.

In that respect, extra-humans present consequence for them.

I would think they underestimated us!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Shadow
12-09-2006, 09:06 AM
I believe that his interest in Satan has more to do in the hopes of getting some 'Goth chick' to be interested in him.

I do believe that he may have some interest in experimenting with a female as his current practice has imflammed his hemroids.

So give him a break.

12-09-2006, 09:25 AM
Shadow wrote:
I believe that his interest in Satan has more to do in the hopes of getting some 'Goth chick' to be interested in him.

I do believe that he may have some interest in experimenting with a female as his current practice has imflammed his hemroids.

So give him a break.


It would be nice for you to comment on the topic instead of just hurling insults.

Perhaps, you do not understand that of which we speak.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Shadow
12-09-2006, 09:55 AM
Sorry Barbarien redux,

I have already told you that I am ignoring you. That includes all your pathetic other aliases too.

12-09-2006, 10:54 AM
Shadow wrote:
Sorry Barbarien redux,

I have already told you that I am ignoring you. That includes all your pathetic other aliases too.

You have yet to make any comment on any topic on this forum other than to insult and insinuate the few posters who are here. This proves that your purpose is that of an "agent provacatuer."

Shadow
12-09-2006, 12:44 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

You have yet to make any comment on any topic on this forum other than to insult and insinuate the few posters who are here. This proves that your purpose is that of an "agent provacatuer."

Perhaps you should read more and post last.

Actualy that modus operandi sounds like you and your other aliases.

12-09-2006, 01:15 PM
CROUCH AND WAIT!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-09-2006, 05:28 PM
You see the emotional energy generated. The food of the gods. BTW it would be perverted to be fascinated with yourself.

12-09-2006, 05:36 PM
Ah, fascination with one's self....

PERVERTED!

Let me check Webster's to add to the list of words that come to mind when describing this abnormal infatuation with one's own being.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-09-2006, 05:41 PM
At one point this fascination caused us great trouble. We have been working through it for some time now. A perversion, sometimes I am too sarcastic.

12-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Barbarien wrote:
At one point this fascination caused us great trouble. We have been working through it for some time now. A perversion, sometimes I am too sarcastic.

The fascination is of himself and could be defined as being perverted.

I don't find many people fascinating including myself.

I might admire an artist's drawing, but not necessarily be fascinated with his person.

I might be in awe of a building's architectural design, but not be fascinated with the person who designed it.

Nah, I'm just not fascinated by people very easily.

The present "psychological operation" to acheive that was short-lived.

The senses returned.

Now, mountains, they fascinate me. Nature, fascinates me. All of God's beauty fascinates me.

I can see how this "fascination" thing may have caused a problem in the way past, and a slight bump in the near past, but in the future, that would include tomorrow, I don't forsee that this would ever again cause a perversion/deviation.

The truth couldn't be more obvious!

And, as far as sarcasm, well, I think I might take the cake for that one, but I'll be happy to share a piece with you.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-09-2006, 08:19 PM
On the same subject matter of HIM, the FASCINATION was created through mind control, manipulation, lies, deceit, distortion, disinformation, fairy-tale, the abuser/protector role, altered state of consciousness, sexual programming, emotional, psychological, mental intrusion.

The fascination was not real. It was manufactured. The reality now is that the fascination has turned to DISGUST!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-09-2006, 09:05 PM
Quite, but the experience seems to have made you stronger than most. In some ways this is a gift. Learn that when this game ends another begins. Knowledge puts you far ahead in the new game and the game is all there is.

Shadow
12-09-2006, 09:21 PM
If I may interupt your poetry for a moment,

This is priceless.

I tell Barbarien that from now on I will ignore him so he goes out and creates one or more aliases (some people call them sock puppets) to entertain himself and the rest of us.

To anyone other than Barbarien and his sock puppets that are reading this, this is highly entertaining, like watching baboons picking lice from each other.

Than you 'guys'.

Now back to your poetery

12-10-2006, 07:40 AM
Barbarien wrote:
Quite, but the experience seems to have made you stronger than most. In some ways this is a gift. Learn that when this game ends another begins. Knowledge puts you far ahead in the new game and the game is all there is.


I would agree that the experience has made me stronger than most. The emotional, psychological and mental abuse could have been debilitating had I not been armed with the "wisdom" from the past of my mentors.

I believe a new game is underway, but the knowledge I have disqualifies me from becomming a player.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Nothing can or will disqualify you except yourself. Continue to learn and do not be rash about the future. All will be compelled to play. You have strength and knowledge, it is not there for nothing.

12-10-2006, 10:05 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Nothing can or will disqualify you except yourself. Continue to learn and do not be rash about the future. All will be compelled to play. You have strength and knowledge, it is not there for nothing.

I know that my knowledge is for a reason. I have used it to the best of my ability and I will continue to do so for the benefit, hopefully, of humanity.

I have not disqualified myself from this endeavor, but from the GRASP of those who desire my containment. A move was taken in that respect recently and IGNORED! It is their game of which I speak. That is the one that I will not play.

I will not be rash about the future. I will hold my chin up and continue to learn.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-10-2006, 10:49 PM
There is much to learn and the game is great. You have graduated from the control of others if you will it and continue to will it. Look to 2007 and be prepared.

12-11-2006, 07:42 AM
This, for sure, is the most significant aspect of my life.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-11-2006, 10:09 AM
That I have overcome.

12-11-2006, 10:15 AM
I am prepared; and, we know, that most of my knowledge was not acquired through any means other than having been directly exposed to it.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Yes, we do know that and from a very early period. Press forward, as you are doing, and let no one stop you.

12-11-2006, 09:46 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Yes, we do know that and from a very early period. Press forward, as you are doing, and let no one stop you.

Thank you for that! I am sure it was a very early period. I always wondered why my childhood memories were few and far between. Just bits and pieces. Why some "traumatic" memories had no beginning or end. Fragments; like a fragmented brain. So much so, that one of the first things I said to my husband before we were married was; "I can't remember my childhood." Do you?

It was a nagging in the back of my head, telling me something was amiss. A constant nagging. I knew it wasn't just typical memories fading with time. It seemed like amnesia to me.

I will press forward and no one will stop me.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-12-2006, 02:18 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Yes, we do know that and from a very early period. Press forward, as you are doing, and let no one stop you.

Do WE know this because you have read my writings here, elsewhere, believe I was a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch, which one is normally born into or placed into at a very young age or is it because you and others personally know who I am and/or what happened to me in the past.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-12-2006, 09:01 PM
We know because we know. Is it hard to believe that something else can have access to this technology that surrounds you today. Do not bother your mind with doubt, we believe that your past was much as you think. Take hold of your thoughts and go forward, you do not have intelligence and knowledge for nothing. Continue to use them.

12-12-2006, 11:33 PM

12-13-2006, 11:27 AM
WE know that in addition to possessing knowledge and intelligence with regard to our military and government, that I was, as well, used inside various lucrative industries, legal and illegal, that are controlled by the CIA and Mafia with strong ties to the "satanic cult."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

LaDominio
12-13-2006, 12:12 PM
The dysfunctional mind is, as you say, satans tool of perversion. And what rides in its wake?
99.9 % are operating with dysfunctional minds.
Not to sound arrogant, but you people don’t look very far.

Shadow
12-13-2006, 12:22 PM
From what basis do you determine dysfunctionality?

LaDominio
12-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Dysfunctional in the sense that the mind has created its own personality and runs ones life.

If you process that consciously...
...can you see what I mean?

12-13-2006, 01:44 PM
LaDominio wrote:
Dysfunctional in the sense that the mind has created its own personality and runs ones life.

If you process that consciously...
...can you see what I mean?


In response to your statement, I would have to say that the "mind" does create its' own personality from infancy until the age of about five. At that time, we are then a product of our environment. That which we have been exposed to in whatever shape or form that may have been.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

To further expand on your comment, you would have to be familiar with the writings of those who KNOW that the deliberate creation of "multiple personality disorder" is a vicious "tool" used by the mind controllers on their victims for their own immoral and illegal purposes.

12-13-2006, 04:31 PM
Something quite strange occured in late 2003. I was drawn back into the "cult." Please understand that when I use the word "cult," I am not referencing a moral "group of people." I am speaking about the "satanic cult."

There was an operation to attract me and it worked.

I had, prior to this time, awoken to the reality of my past shortly after 911. Although, there were break-through memories of abuse occuring most of my life, on and off.

In 1995, I was exposed to a male doctor who in some way, shape or form seemed to "trigger" me into a state of depression through emotional abuse. When I look back on it now, it was similar to how I was treated in the "cult." Oddly, enough, the voices of my programmers from the past surfaced. I worked my way through it and continued with my life.

There is more to the story than this, but not as important as the prior.

I began writing on Indymedia before I was attracted back to the "cult" in early 2004, and came in contact with someone who put me in contact with another individual. He and I communicated privately (well, not so, because I'm sure nothing I do is private) through email and he was able to help me in many ways with my new found knowledge.

So, the media's attention to a particular statement made by someone within the music industry drew me to his website.

I was placed in altered states of consciousness, and those who were knowledgable about my past, abusers/handlers, or even newcomers were able to control me by insinuating that they KNEW me, had protected me all of my life. They were the reason I was alive and that this particular musician and I were witnesses to government abuse. In order to keep us apart, in my young teenage life, it was implied that I was institutionalized and all memories of him had been erased.

Because it has always been my contention that there were "others" working behind the scenes to expose our government and that they knew of me and my role on the "inside" when I was young, and the "suggestible" state of mind which I was placed in, they were able to make me a prisioner again of emotional, psychological, mental abuse. I was being "controlled" again. I was not who I was when I entered the site.

I went through days of lying in bed crying, reliving false memories which they called up and I assume had been implanted in the past. The torture that I endured when I was young resurfaced as well. I was unable to eat for days. I went onto the site and when I asked for permission to eat, it was granted.

I was fed disinformation, lies and manipulated. The depths of despair and isolation I found myself in are indescribable. My sexual programming was triggered and for this I can only feel disgust at them and not myself. I felt disconnected to my family, to my friends, to life.

I left the site in December of 2004 and it has taken me two years to rid myself of their infection.

Traumatization in the form of emotional, psychological and mental abuse by handlers/controllers can be horrendous, especially if you are a mind control victim, and the effect can be the neutralization and containment of one. I'm sure an operation similar to this one occured in the past.

During this time, my family tried to make me see that I was not being helped, only hurt. That the attempt was to make me look crazy. That the attempt was to make me look obsessed with this musician. When reality set in, I couldn't agree more.

One does not have to be placed back into the "cult" to become free.

I had been instructed in the past as to what would occur and those instructions guided me back to freedom.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-13-2006, 06:19 PM

12-13-2006, 07:21 PM
Yes, it's plausible that the technology that surrounds ME and all of us is from "something else."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-13-2006, 08:52 PM

Barbarien
12-13-2006, 08:53 PM
Through time this things have appeared it many different guises. Now they appear as technology, just so you do not pay them much attention. Today they appear much less threatening because they seam familiar and can readily appear everywhere. Do not be so sure that they are what they appear to be. They are the same Watchers they have always been.

12-13-2006, 09:44 PM
I misinterpreted your remark about "is it hard to believe that something else can have access to this technology that surrounds me."

Yes, it is hard to believe that something else can have access to the technology that surrounds me. There wouldn't be "something else" and it wouldn't be for any other reason. And, in that respect, I would have to remove "all of us" from my response to you.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-13-2006, 11:39 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Through time this things have appeared it many different guises. Now they appear as technology, just so you do not pay them much attention. Today they appear much less threatening because they seam familiar and can readily appear everywhere. Do not be so sure that they are what they appear to be. They are the same Watchers they have always been.

WOW!! That was a mouthful and alot to chew on, but I've finished my last bit and the digestion process is at hand.

They are not what they appear to be. Of this, I am certain. They gave themselves away.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

LaDominio
12-14-2006, 01:20 AM
Why are you so numb to my words?


I said one thing but you perceived another - which is to be expected. But I couldn’t make it more blatant.
If you suffer from mind programming as you say – you may well ignore what I say. You would ignore in order to uphold the structure of your programming – a defence mechanism of sorts. The mind usually makes its host ignore anything that might lead to a conscious awakening.

The human brain is like a computer, as we all know.
Brain intelligence is also a form of artificial intelligence – observe how we are only able to replicate or re-arrange information with our brains.
With the mix of spiritual profundity in religion and materialism in our paradigm - the brain begins to identify itself as a separate entity. Words like ‘Myself’ are created. Say ‘myself’ in your head – you may feel your mind react. Ignorance to the truth. The brain begins to build an illusory 'self' identity at a very early age. This is much to the thanks of programming which has been going on for thousands of years. Parental behaviour programmes it into the children. Imbalance comes from this error.
Violence arises because each mind sees itself as a separate part of everything else – in truth, everything is one. The brain gets defensive because it knows how frail its existence it. Conflict arises. Deeper and deeper humanity plunges into ignorance.

What we are dealing with here is a lack of consciousness.
With the human brain in control, we find turmoil and confusion abroad – because the brain was designed for a secondary role – as a medium of expression in this reality, and for basic tasks in order to keep the body alive and vital. The brain cannot understand anything beyond the material realm. Anything profound to the mind is in some way linked to the material. It is impossible to imagine a being that does not compose of material of some sort. It is just the same thing as A.I.
Just as a robot, the brain cannot understand that what is known as God. Instead, it comes up with the insane concepts we observe today. Just as a robot, the brain cannot process subjects outside of its world.




We are projecting our consciousness through our brains incessantly and never to our spirit – our soul - core being. We no longer consciously connect with true intelligence – the intelligence of the creator, so to speak.

Any human that believes he or she has things figured out is living an illusion if they are in fact still locked inside their brains – which is most likely, as 99.9% is still locked inside.

If you cannot stop yourself from ‘thinking’, then you have no control over your brain, your brain controls ‘you’ your consciousness. The aim is to stop ‘thinking’, and to use the brain for the appropriate tasks, whilst using true intelligence for the rest.


Take it or leave it.
If your brain has a firm hold – you’ll probably leave it.

12-14-2006, 07:44 AM
As I said, the mind creates its' own personality from birth until the age of about five. We are a product of our environment in whatever shape or form that may have been.

I was agreeing with you. Perhaps you are the one who does not perceive the written word.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-14-2006, 07:32 PM
Continue Blue Angel you are correct. Look earlier than 5 if you can and want to.

Tor
12-14-2006, 08:51 PM
Wow 13 pages of crap. Where is the damn summary?

12-14-2006, 10:26 PM
Oh, I have looked. In fact, the handful of memories that were STUCK in my head since a very young period are what always led me to believe that I had been abused at home first. But, the brain's defense mechanism created an amnesic wall. The memories were traumatic and, therefore, the beginning, the end were not always attainable.

There is an opening and I'll continue looking; however, sometimes it is much easier not to because, although, a pedophile is a pedophile, there is a certain amount of pity I feel for both parents in that I believe they were products of their environment before the age of five and suffered horrendous abuse.

If we say that these people are sick and they know not of what they do; if they are what they were born into; if they can act one way in the presence of others and another when they are fulfulling their "deviant sexual behavior," how then do we make them see right from wrong?

Can they ever? Will they ever? This was always the dilemna for me.

At a very young age, knowing it was wrong and believing in my heart that those who were inflicting their "immoral" behavior upon me could change if only I could make them see.

I wanted to marry, have children and break the cycle of abuse. I wanted to prove that it could be accomplished. That I did not have to BE as they were.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-15-2006, 04:02 PM
You have done that, congratulations. Keep your eyes open, there is much left to see. What you see and understand you can keep for much later use.

12-18-2006, 07:20 PM

12-18-2006, 08:55 PM
Barbarien wrote:
I do not see Satan either. It is good that you do not see Satan either. After all is there a Satan or is this one just subjective. Most of what you say is very true. Do you believe that the human species is the supreme creation of a creator or even the greatest achievement of evolution. Do you believe that the mind of a pure human ruled in the past, rules now, or will rule in the future? As to Satan, sometime look behind you.

Why would say, "As to Satan, sometime look behind you."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

12-18-2006, 08:58 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Quite, but the experience seems to have made you stronger than most. In some ways this is a gift. Learn that when this game ends another begins. Knowledge puts you far ahead in the new game and the game is all there is.

Do you know who it is that I am speaking about?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

P. S. You can answer "yes," but that is not proof.

12-18-2006, 09:11 PM
Barbarien wrote:
There is much to learn and the game is great. You have graduated from the control of others if you will it and continue to will it. Look to 2007 and be prepared.

I cannot prepare if I do not know what I am preparing for. I have a clue, but this has not been factualized.

How do you know that I have graduated from the control of others?

Do you know who they are specifically? Or is this just a generalization from observation on this site and/or another site I referenced on this thread? Perhaps, observation, as well, outside of forums?

This would tell me that I am being "watched."

Perhaps, by two entities.

You mentioned in another thread, which I can't locate that the "technology that surrounds me" has changed; I concur, and that they are the same WATCHERS and throughout time they have changed guises. I concur again. I do not find them trustworthy. They are of the "other side."

This tells me you are referring to my past and you are leading me to believe you know of the "dark side" and my involvement within.

Can this be verified?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Barbarien
12-18-2006, 09:46 PM
You have verified it. We are not to be taken lightly nor do we want to change your life with magik or soothsaying. We noticed you and we found you to be strong and intelligent and capable. We do not interfere in lives and only see through the glass darkly. As to Satan, this one is still the most powerful of all created self aware beings. Be careful of this one. Recognize it and leave it alone. Its attention is becoming more and more easy to provoke. We do not know a specific name of a human for the knowledge we receive is restricted in many ways.

Every thing is watched and maneuvered. The trick is to be aware of it, if you are sensitive to it, and learn how to deal with it from your own experience. You are capable of this.

The agenda of this game, that so many are caught in, is to a specific end. Some will appreciate it some will not. You are preparing for eternity and it cannot, at this point, be on your terms. You will have the choice after you gain the knowledge. Think slowly about these things, in time they will come to be understood by you in your way of understanding them.

12-18-2006, 11:28 PM
OK

LaDominio
12-22-2006, 02:18 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
As I said, the mind creates its' own personality from birth until the age of about five. We are a product of our environment in whatever shape or form that may have been.

I was agreeing with you. Perhaps you are the one who does not perceive the written word.

In Peace,
BlueAngel


My words tend to fall on deaf ears it seems.
By all means hold onto your dreams.
But I don’t recommend it little blue queen.

Blessings...
"Ill take two"
That'll be 2 karma chits and a crystal shilling...

Barbarien
12-22-2006, 07:55 PM
Your words fall on deaf ears because they come from a mute mouth.

LaDominio
12-23-2006, 12:30 AM
My mouth may be mute but your soul sleeps soundly.

Your words flow through your empty sea when you use your brain profoundly.
Because your thoughts can only travel through one dimension. They are of one dimension.
And that dimension and any other is of one-

igwt
12-23-2006, 06:08 AM
ignt wrote:
My solution is to leave the choice to humans with no intervention and let their fate come at their own hands. If they can not or will not see what has been given them, then how are they ever to be trusted with a greater gift. If those who tend the vineyard let it succumb and die, should they be given a greater vineyard?

What exactly do you mean when you say, "My solution is to leave the choice to humans..."

You sound as if you are not human your self.

LaDominio
12-23-2006, 03:01 PM
It is and always has been the choice of humans. What makes us human is just that free choice. What gives us free choice is a part of the brain. Choice is a gimmick only found here and all places like this – despite popular belief. It seems that the human brain has really caused discord.
Most souls will react the same when given a human brain. No soul is human. And society is dysfunctional. Souls come into human form and are raised by a flawed system.

No one blames humanity but humanity itself and others who are trapped in their brains.

Barbarien
12-23-2006, 05:55 PM
Humanity is a flaw within itself. Read your only true HOLY BOOK. You are a very good example of one who knows all and understands nothing. This we guarantee will change and soon you will understand what we say. The universe hates humans. Your once beautiful Earth is held in boundaries. Read and stop trying to think before you see.

12-23-2006, 10:48 PM
Barbarien wrote:
Humanity is a flaw within itself. Read your only true HOLY BOOK. You are a very good example of one who knows all and understands nothing. This we guarantee will change and soon you will understand what we say. The universe hates humans. Your once beautiful Earth is held in boundaries. Read and stop trying to think before you see.

If humanity is a flaw within itself, why are you blaming us if GOD created us in his own likeness?? Wouldn't it be his fault?

Apparently something screwed up the earth and YOU blame HUMANS for that and, obviously, we are clueless.

Why don't you clue us in?

Can I have a copy of the HOLY BOOK, please? Mine says BIBLE on it.

Fugitive
12-24-2006, 06:50 PM
Hear O People, the words of the Third Angel of the Book of Revelation:

Behold I have made all things through the works of mans hands, but man has corrupted it. Therefore, my wrath is hot and shall destroy the wicked and the sinner, giving no quarter to the wicked.
Therefore, wicked America, i have declared through my servant, Fugitive, Divine Judgement against you, and I shall bring Death and Destruction unto your house and your kin. Wail, America, for Death is coming nigh to devour your young and to fill the Earth with blood!

I declare a New Crusade to destroy the enemies of God, to kill the infidel, to smash the head in of the sinner and behead the faithless! Join My servants, Fugitive, and the New Crusade for the defense ofChristiandom and the death of the infidel, the heretic, the N.W.O and the Illuminati

Hear the Word of God and obey, Saints! The Time hhas arrived for us to fight for our God of Vengance! Join the New Crusade!!

12-24-2006, 07:04 PM
"Satanic beings" have corrupted the human race.

Barbarien
12-25-2006, 08:07 PM
True, but who in any position of power would openly say or believe this. This should show you the careful design involved. This generation is not the first to know this, all generations have know it and the Satanic Humans are not the Demons. They are just one of many types.

12-26-2006, 12:35 PM
Positions of power are held by "satanic humans." So, in that respect, it would not come from them.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Reading between the lines as before, on a particular forum, I would classify it as "reading" incorrectly between the lines after being placed "unwittingly" in an altered state of consciousness and, this, the outcome they desired in one respect; but in other matters, I believe I recalled with some accuracy "government/CIA/Military/Mafia" abuse as a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

Shadow
12-26-2006, 12:45 PM
Tree, but who in any petition on power would openly stay or belittle this. This should grow you the car full of designs involved. This generator is not the first to glow this, all generators have to know it and the Sardine Humans are not the Dentistss. They have just won many tires.

In pieces
Bluebarien

Barbarien
12-26-2006, 06:03 PM
The first intelligent thing the fool has written.

Shadow
12-26-2006, 08:56 PM
The thirst ineligible thing the drool has drinken.

In pieces
Bluebarien

12-26-2006, 09:14 PM
I will repeat meseff, sHaDOW no good at what he be doing and run like a white ass in HarlEM.

Shadow
12-27-2006, 11:25 AM
Bondie is the aSS of the worLD.

And he is SATAN'S PERVERT

LaDominio
12-28-2006, 02:44 AM
He's this and she is that.
So which one should be sporting a dunce hat?

Shadow
12-28-2006, 09:34 AM
Is not the DUNCE CAP the sign of Satan's servants?

LaDominio
12-29-2006, 07:18 AM
Pshhhh... Im not talking about Satanism at all... Dont you get the message?

Shadow
12-29-2006, 12:20 PM
Is it not?

/\

LaDominio
12-29-2006, 12:36 PM
Would I have wasted my time typing my previous reply if it was?

Do you think about what you say before you say it?

Shadow
12-29-2006, 12:40 PM
/\

12-29-2006, 08:11 PM
/|/

Shadow
12-31-2006, 01:24 AM
/\
()

12-31-2006, 04:26 PM
{^^^}

Shadow
01-02-2007, 09:20 AM
( )( )
^
Bunny

redrat11
02-08-2007, 03:13 PM
Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall




I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

From Post #60 September 30, 2006

Do you doubt?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html

Anna Nicole is DEAD! :-?

http://www.drudgereport.com/

02-08-2007, 03:26 PM
redrat11 wrote:

:-?
Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall




I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

Do you still doubt me?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html

Anna Nicole is DEAD! :-?

http://www.drudgereport.com/

You need to clarify your post.

Who said the following:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her safety) and her newborns safety."

Please provide the link from which this quote was taken.

Also clarify to whom you are speaking with your comment:

"Do you still doubt me?"

In Peace,
BlueAngel

You have obviously edited your post while I was in the process of posting the above.

You said: "Do you still doubt me?"

And, there wasn't any indication about a Post number 60 before your editing.

Please provide Post number 60

02-08-2007, 03:31 PM
RedRat said:

"Do you doubt?"

To whom are you speaking?

And, to what are you referring?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

redrat11
02-08-2007, 03:39 PM
redrat11 wrote:
<center>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/annanicolesmith.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
</center>Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall




post# 60 September13th 2006

is that clear?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html

02-08-2007, 03:39 PM
Marshall died in 1995.

Anna's baby was born last year.

Was he warning her from the grave?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

02-08-2007, 03:40 PM
redrat11 wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
<center>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/annanicolesmith.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
</center>Illuminati Initiate: J. Howard Marshall, Anna Nicole Smith...and 1 dead son.

My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall




post# 60 September13th 2006

is that clear?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html

No. It's not clear.

Marshall died in 1995.

Anna's baby was born last year.

Who said these words that you have posted as a quote:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

redrat11
02-08-2007, 03:41 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Marshall died in 1995.

Anna's baby was born last year.

Was he warning her from the grave?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Why would he warn her? He supposedly LOVED her.

redrat11
02-08-2007, 03:45 PM
Summary...

Old man Marshall left her 500 gazillion dollars, his real family claimed the money was theirs outright, Anna fought in court and won a judgement for it, however my point was that you don't MESS with ILLUMINATI MONEY!!!This is what happens. :-o

02-08-2007, 03:45 PM
redrat11 wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Marshall died in 1995.

Anna's baby was born last year.

Was he warning her from the grave?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Why would he warn her? He supposedly LOVED her.

Who said these words that you have posted as a quote:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

P.S. I really don't care about Anna Nicole's relationship with Marshal and whether or not he SUPPOSEDLY loved her and/or warned her.

I am asking you to clarify who said the words you have posted as a quote.

redrat11
02-08-2007, 03:47 PM
I DID!!!!!!


I did!!!!! :-o

02-08-2007, 03:47 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Summary...

Old man Marshall left her 500 gazillion dollars, his real family claimed the money was theirs outright, Anna fought in court and won a judgement for it, however my point was that you don't MESS with ILLUMINATI MONEY!!!This is what happens. :-o

I think we all know the story about Anna Nicole Smith.

But, thanks for the refresher.

Again, I asked you to clarify who said the quote that you posted.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

02-08-2007, 03:50 PM
RedRat said:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety."

Why would you say that?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

redrat11
02-08-2007, 04:36 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
RedRat said:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety."

Why would you say that?

In Peace,
BlueAngel


1 dead son and 1 dead Mom, any questions? You don't really think a 'Elitist" family like that would let a tramp get away with megabucks like that do you? Oil Money stays in the "family"! :-)


P.S. and remember there is still one of her children alive, for how long, that will remain a mystery, after all the baby stands to inherit all the money. :-?

02-08-2007, 05:12 PM
redrat11 wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
RedRat said:

"My "suggestion" for Nicole is to drop her case against the Illuminist, Marshal family fortune, (for her saftey) and her newborns safety."

Why would you say that?

In Peace,
BlueAngel


1 dead son and 1 dead Mom, any questions? You don't really think a 'Elitist" family like that would let a tramp get away with megabucks like that do you? Oil Money stays in the "family"! :-)

P.S. and remember there is still one of her children alive, for how long, that will remain a mystery, after all the baby stands to inherit all the money. :-?

Actually, RedRat, NO, I don't have anymore questions.

So, you post a suggestion to Nicole on this forum to drop her case. Did you think she would come to this site and read it? I guess she didn't as it doesn't appear that she heeded your warning.

Very low of you to refer to her as a tramp. Afterall, I wouldn't consider Illumnists any different. Far worse, IMO.

As far as her death and her son's death. It is an example of what these PIGS represent.

Power and greed at any cost. Human sacrifice, such as the war in Iraq, doesn't make them blink an eye.

Thanks for the refresher course, but I'm sure
you realize I UNDERSTAND what the "CABAL" is all
about.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

As far as her surviving child, there isn't much any of us can do about it.

cold
02-08-2007, 06:10 PM
YES.

BlueAngel
07-16-2008, 09:39 PM
YOUR CAPTIVE MIND!!!...THEY DO DELIGHT IN!... I am merely a messenger in this collapsing society, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. It is you who cannot fathom the principles of CAPTIVITY, whether by physical means, or by spiritual means, none of you will understand. Look at what has become of this INTERNET CREATION, I ask you to look at the various "conspiracy forums" Liberty Forum, Club Conspiracy, ATS, Conspiracy Central, Unexplained Mysteries, etc... wherever your 'mind' sends you. Tell me what do you see? .....What you see before you is the collapse of civilization, peoples minds held captive in CYBER SPACE, OHHHHH... you spout, and spout, and for what? to tell a tale? or to 'elevate yourself?' History will record that this INTERNET ENSLAVED AND ENSNARED YOU UNTO THEM! Oh, don't be angry at me, I'm merely the messenger, surely, the messenger is not to blame here is he? THE CAPTIVITY UNDER THE BABYLONIAN TALMUDIC GOD, SATAN, now, tell me, who is your CAPTOR? are you truly free? be honest???

Could you repeat yourself please?

The intellectual community doesn't comprehend your babbling nor do we consider that you are a messenger.

That is a "title" you have thrust upon yourself.

You're not nearly as influential as you think you are.

Like I said.

I devour wolves and rats.

Red ones are especially delicious.

BlueAngel
07-16-2008, 10:00 PM
Oh, yeah.

The computer.

Satan's tool.

I find it to be quite useful.

BeenThereDoneThat
07-31-2008, 11:15 PM
The internet is not satans tool, people who use the internet with satanic purpose are the tools of satan(though i think they are just dumb idiots). Satan is an illusion any way, and an obstacle to the free thinker. I am a married man, and do not see the temptation you suggest repeatedly with the dating service girl pic, lol. I also use the net to keep up on the sheeple myself. maybe I am satan , who knows. I am sure some that are not in my circle may suggest that, but its ok to use the dating service pic as a refferenc to call your bluff. Maybe next time . ehh? I am not offended, and laugh at this post. Its not a conspiracy, its a pleasure. God didn't say we had to be non-computer...pornless zombies did he...or did he?

YAAAA for porn. I makes me horny...see...I am satan already. Adams first boner was a computer glitch...I bet. Yay for LUBETUBE>


Please, no offense in my post, just a sarcastic laugh. Peace!:D

BlueAngel
09-12-2008, 11:22 PM
SATAN'S TOOL OF PERVERSION?

You believe in Satan?

How 'bout the Controller's tool of perversion?

BeenThereDoneThat
09-13-2008, 12:06 AM
lol.

iHIMself™
08-25-2009, 08:07 PM
Tool of perversion? hmm. That's a part of it. The internet is also useful. There are things I became aware of that I never would have been from the internet. Even ideas and thoughts I had, found shared by many others.

The truth is, yes, it is a tool for perversion. I must admit I have thrashed redtube, pornhub, all that. But hey, I used to buy magazines. Now it's free. Yay for me. And my main sqeeze. lol. But it's my choice. The purity of sexual activity is debatable. But I want it, and if someone is willing to provide it, why not? That's the beauty of the internet. If you have a video or have published something, and I want to see it, who is anyone to decide whether I can or can't see it? If porn is removed, the next phase is free speech.
Bush announced,
You are either with us, or with the terrorists'.

Fuck that.

And you are not going to start on that right and wrong, good and evil rubbish.

There is no right or wrong, good or evil. There is only legislation.
Quote that shit. iHIMself farquins. lol.

I vote free speech, free press, free market.

- If you want to talk shit, go for it. But doesn't mean I have to listen to it.

- The manipulation, fabrication or withholding of information from the media is not free press.

- If you got it, and I want it, I'll pay for it.

BlueAngel
08-25-2009, 11:24 PM
Tool of perversion? hmm. That's a part of it. The internet is also useful. There are things I became aware of that I never would have been from the internet. Even ideas and thoughts I had, found shared by many others.

The truth is, yes, it is a tool for perversion. I must admit I have thrashed redtube, pornhub, all that. But hey, I used to buy magazines. Now it's free. Yay for me. And my main sqeeze. lol. But it's my choice. The purity of sexual activity is debatable. But I want it, and if someone is willing to provide it, why not? That's the beauty of the internet. If you have a video or have published something, and I want to see it, who is anyone to decide whether I can or can't see it? If porn is removed, the next phase is free speech.
Bush announced,


Fuck that.

And you are not going to start on that right and wrong, good and evil rubbish.

There is no right or wrong, good or evil. There is only legislation.
Quote that shit. iHIMself farquins. lol.

I vote free speech, free press, free market.

- If you want to talk shit, go for it. But doesn't mean I have to listen to it.

- The manipulation, fabrication or withholding of information from the media is not free press.

- If you got it, and I want it, I'll pay for it.

I have NO CLUE to whom you are speaking, but there is right and wrong and there is good and evil.

If you believe LEGISLATION is all that exists, you're not worthy of being QUOTED.

Out of the Box
11-03-2009, 11:59 AM
- There is no satan.

- The Internet is the ONLY medium that allows dissident voices to reach a broad and global audience.

Having said that, I believe we're all better off with the Internet than without the Internet, although I worry just as much about all those predators waiting to lure our children and all the porn polluting their minds.

iHIMself™
04-02-2010, 01:16 AM
I have NO CLUE to whom you are speaking, but there is right and wrong and there is good and evil.

If you believe LEGISLATION is all that exists, you're not worthy of being QUOTED.

Oooohhhh Rubbish!! I'm ALWAYS worthy of being quoted! lol


Seriously......You have no PROOF of what is good and what is evil. Murder is evil, yet we murder for food every single day. And even worse so, by displaying the slaughtered meat on shelves for your perusal, and that which isn't chosen for consumption is thrown away, while millions are starving on the other side of the world. And yet you don't stutter.

God exists, I have no doubt. God is Life...ALL that lives. And life is colourful. Not just black and white. Endlessly colourful.

Who are you, or anyone for that matter, to say that the night is evil, and the day is good?
It is indeed legislation that determines what is good or evil. Legislation, social virtues, cultural values, and so on....

i is alive...i is life...god is life...i is god.