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05-19-2006, 12:41 PM
Trying to write an article about how many christians who claim to follow Jesus, are so supportive of the Bush regime.
Although I have read the bible, I'm not a person who can quickly know where to find a particular part that I remember reading, and I need some help on locating a part of Revelations, it had to do with Balek, or Baloc or something like that who had tripped on a stone, and something about eating things of idols.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Bouncer
05-19-2006, 02:51 PM
http://www.wmpress.org/rev_text/english.htm

This link will take you to the text in question.
If I catch your drift, the pastors who are using soft mind control on their congregations are using it to consolidate support for Bush. Am I close???

Also, a genuine Christian does not merely "follow Jesus" in the way that a man follows a great teacher; this is a vulgarization of the spiritual reality of being born again. It is that God prepared a way for us to repair the broken relationship between man and God, using Jesus' life and sacrifice to bridge the gap between us.

I'm no scholar, but keep the questions coming!

05-19-2006, 04:51 PM
Found this, evidently I didn't remember it that well, its not what I was looking for.
LESSON 5. JESUS' LETTER TO THE CHURCH IN PERGAMOS
Revelation 2:12-17

12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, `These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. 17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it." ' "
PS, on this,
This link will take you to the text in question.
If I catch your drift, the pastors who are using soft mind control on their congregations are using it to consolidate support for Bush. Am I close???
In general terms yes.
Will keep on trying to write it.
It's nothing great but just thought I'd try writing abit more.

Saturnino
05-19-2006, 05:08 PM
Can you be a little more specific ?
There is a verse in one of the letters of Paul that talks about eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is 1 Corinthians 8. It ta;ls about the freedom of the believer who knows that an idol is nothing.

The other verse I cant't figure out.

Try www.biblegateway.com for a quick search tool.

And also, I am a Christian and I despise Bush. I know some good people who still support him. I think they are naive, that they have been brought up in a belief system that is almost impossible to break thru. Especially when they have been in the military, or when they have fathers or brothers that fought in the war...it is very hard to wake up.

05-19-2006, 06:18 PM
As I said before, I'm trying to become a better writer, although I started off writing this piece confident that it would be written somewhat good, the more I read it the more I was unsure how it sounded, so Im going to put down what I wrote so far, and I want you to give me your honest opinion of it.
Should I give up trying to be a writer or are there just a few things I might want to consider changing in this piece?
No title at present.....

The world is in a rapid tailspin down, and the only way America and the rest of the world will ever survive the lunatics in power, is if someone finally comes along that can unite all of the splintered groups out here.
Although we all want the same things, we can't seem to figure out how to escape a pergatory of inexactitude, and infighting.
It seems as though most people out there are waiting for a second coming to bring mankind into a new era of reason , and although I also hope that there is something to this , I would rather see us get together and get it accomplished ourselves first , wouldn't that also make Jesus more proud ?
The fact of the matter is, we are fighting a beast that seems that no army can bring down, not even its own from the inside, it is accomplishing world domination, and it continues to force the world to submit to its global strategy, thus riding the backs of the poor, while raising the powermad to unprecidented heights.
In a more perfect world, those who profess the Christian view as their cornerstone , but refuse to see that the direction of our world is heading in a perilous way, must be made to understand that they may be the first in line to be repremanded for not following their hearts, but from following the empire of the beast.
The fact of the matter is the religeous right do go out and vote in large numbers, in their fall to their knees beliefs and support of these leaders, they will continue to cause our world to succumb to a false idiology.
Who is to convince them that when Jesus said on the cross, Forgive them father, for they know not what they do, is something they need to consider is also aimed at them?
I can't see into the future, but as long as we can't get together and get a viable front against the New World Order, and while the religeous right refuse to scrape the sleep from their eyes and recognize our present fall from the teachings of GOD, the world will fall to something more evil than a plutocracy, that will decide what GOD it is that we must soon follow.
We need a more concerted effort against these blinded individuals, we must try as hard as we can to show them the hypocracy of their ways. We need to get the word out that the person that they may be voting for in November may make the world one more step closer to the world the bible had warned them about.
We need to pool our strengths, because there's not a single benevolent truth seeker out there that will purchase a broadcasting corporation for the benefit of the people of the world to spread the truth.
In the absence of Christ, we need to get this done by ourselves.
The question is how would you wake the sleeping masses that don't want to be awoken?

05-19-2006, 06:39 PM
Never mind, I just read it again and personally think it stinks as writing goes.
Must of had a brain fart?

nohope187
05-19-2006, 07:27 PM
It's not that bad, though I wouldn't be posting it at churches. I'd print it out and post it at YMCA's or Community College bulletin boards. More likely reception there:-?

05-19-2006, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the kind words, does anyone have a better way to write it for posting in those places, the Y , community boards, laundromats, etc...
Sort of a fix my flyer competition.
What would you ad , get rid of, or change all together.

madthumbs
05-20-2006, 10:31 AM
Christianity is dangerous!

It teaches things like: Bless your persecutors, pay taxes, obey the laws, turn the other cheek, work as if you're working for Jesus, and belief in Israel being God's elect.

-Exactly what they want for mind control!

Israel (http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/JewsarenotIsraelites.htm) is not God's elect (http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/chapter4.php).

The Bible is fallible (http://www.opposingdigits.com/FalseApostle/).

Disinfo agents like Alex Jones promote Christianity, not just by confessing to being Christian, but by attributing Satanism to Polititians. Is Molech worship really Satanism? Wouldn't they pretend to be Satanic to the conspiracy theorists to promote the mind controlling Christianity?

I could show you a conspiracy forum that appears to be flooded with Christians. They've banned biased towards atheists, users have many alternate accounts/ personas, etc. Christianity is a tool of Zionists.

Saturnino
05-20-2006, 01:50 PM
madthumb,

It is a pity you have such a limited understanding of what Christianity really is. It is so much more than Bush, or the Republicans, or even this single country in this short period of time, USA in the 2000's.

Jesus is God who created everything. Man has sinned and made a mess of the world, but eventually Jesus will fix it.

This is a belief that explains the most profound of questions: who we are, where we came from, where we are going, the meaning of things. It is up to you to accept it or not.

Other than that, we have common values such as freedom, human dignity, etc., that can somehow join Christians and atheists in the same fight.

But saying that Christianity is dangerous is totally illogic. Maybe you should say that the use of the name of Christianity by false Christians, who are in secret occultists, is dangerous. I have never met a REAL Christian who was a danger to anyone. Ever.

madthumbs
05-20-2006, 07:08 PM
Saturnino wrote:
madthumb,

It is a pity you have such a limited understanding of what Christianity really is.

Then by all means define what Christianity is.

Is it following the Bible? I've done that, read it 8+ times through. Spent whole days reading it for weeks at a time. Spent a lot of time referring to original words, and definitions. Learned through context the real meaning of words and messages.

Is it going to church? -Done that too. 3 times a week, for a year and have attended many different types of Christian churches. Imo they're all ignorant of the Bible.

So what is Christianity that I have such a limited understanding about? Perhaps you could enlighten me or debunk my research on the False Apostle (http://www.opposingdigits.com/FalseApostle/) since no one seems to dare attempt it.

By showing that the Bible is fallible, then we have good reason to not trust any of it. Have you ever asked a rabbi why they don't believe in the prophecies about Jesus? I have.

Christianity in any form is mind-control, it makes them ignorant, inneffective, and that is dangerous.

I'm a believer in intelligent design, I think the Jewish diet is the best, if Jesus is God then I already believe in him, but I'm not going to fall for some perverse piece of literature or person telling me who He is. Even the Bible itself teaches against that.

prevail
06-02-2006, 10:16 PM
MADTHUMBS SHUT SATERNINO DOWN! SATERNINO HAD NO RESPONSE TO THAT AND I TOTALLY AGREE MADTHUMBS! CHRISTIANITY AND ALL RELIGIONS TO ME ARE NOTHING BUT A FORM OF CONTROL. YEH, THEY TEACH GOOD VALUES, BUT GOOD VALUES ALONE WONT GET YOU INTO HEAVEN! IT TAKES MORE THAN JUST BEING A GOOD PERSON AND FOLLOWING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS! IT'S ALL ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE SELF. UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR A GOD! DOES CHRISTIANITY TEACH YOU THAT YOUR A GOD? NOPE! INSTEAD THE PASTOR RATHER SAY YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HELL IF YOU COMMIT SUICIDE WHEN THAT ISNT TRUE. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES ITS ONE UNFORGIVEN SIN, AND THAT'S BLASPHEMY. NOT WHAT IS BLASPHEMY? SAYING GOD DOESNT EXIST? NOT SO... WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS ITSELF TO YOU, ITS TRUE NATURE AND YOU STILL DENY HIM, THATS BLASPHEMY. THINK ABOUT IT? THE LORD WONT HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT IS UNKNOWN TO YOU. BUT IF HE SHOWS YOU HIMSELF, AND YOU DENY HIM, ITS A RAP FOR YOU. THATS UNFORGIVEN.

NOW YALL ARE PROBABLY SAYING, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR TELLING US ALL THAT PREVAIL. ILL TELL YOU. I MYSELF BELIEVE IN RE-INCARNATION. I BELIEVE YOU GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF SELF AND WHEN YOU DIE, IF YOUR NOT READY TO ENTER HEAVEN(OF COURSE THE MOST HIGH DETERMINES THAT) THEN YOU COME BACK TO EARTH AS ANOTHER HUMAN ON ANOTHER JOURNEY! I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT JESUS DID. JESUS HIMSELF SAID THE WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH ME AND I DONT THINK THAT MENT ACCEPT ME INTO YOUR HEART AND YOUR GOING TO HEAVEN. IT MENT, WALK IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF JESUS, DO MIRACLES AND GREAT WORKS FOR THE MOST HIGH. WE'RE ALL CAPABLE, JESUS SAID WE'RE GODS! DID HE NOT?

SO, ILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS QUESTION. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE OR UNDERSTAND WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT YOU DO AGREE THIER IS ONLY ONE UNFORGIVEN SIN. THEN TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU COMMIT SUICIDE BUT YOU DONT GO TO HELL? BECAUSE YOU DEFINATELY ARNT GOING TO HEAVEN. BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE FORGIVEN SIN, SO YOU WONT GO TO HELL EITHER. WHERE DO YOU GO? PURPOSE BACK TO EARTH... REINCARNTED? HEY BELIEVE WHAT YOU CHOOSE BUT RELIGION IS A FORM OF CONTROL! AND THATS THAT!

prevail
06-02-2006, 10:20 PM
I MISPELLED ALOT OF WORDS. SORRY :>\

MadToes
10-09-2006, 06:01 PM
Perhaps you could enlighten me or debunk my research on the False Apostle since no one seems to dare attempt it.

http://www.reasoning.netfirms.com/

Wish granted. :pint:

Have you ever asked a rabbi why they don't believe in the prophecies about Jesus? I have.

What kind of question is this? It is like asking, "have you ever asked an atheist why he doesn't believe in God?" Or "Have you ever asked <insert other religion here> why he doesn't believe in Jesus?"

:lol:

10-09-2006, 08:33 PM
The true Mosaic Jew did believe in Jesus, they became Christians.

truebeliever
10-10-2006, 12:25 AM
Then by all means define what Christianity is.

Will do! Bringing my posse with me though. A few Masters and pHD's in Theology etc...is 3 to many to hold over at your place?

[Have taken pic out on request]

Truly, we will flog the love of Christ into you before we're done. :lol:

Will come and go..have tea and biscuits ready!

truebeliever
10-10-2006, 12:34 AM
I took a quick look at your magnificent Phd material on "Paul". You dont actually say anything? What is your point? Are you saying because something does'nt add up in your head it is dismissed immediately?

Again...you are infected with the "reactionary" virus after partaking in "Christianity Lite" in the U.S. Because you are a racist and bigotted American who believes the world ends at an East Coast Casino beach... you forget the other 750+ million Christians who do not worshit Benny Hinn, Greflo Dollar and Jimmy Swaggart.

Give me point by point REFUTATIONS of the Bible. Here. One at a time right here and I will refute them right here. I want the refutations as CLEAR as CRYSTAL.

Eg: PAul is a lying cunt because he says here..."blah blah blah" and then 5 minutes later is killing babies.

Also...i personally consider the Gospels my main theme. Christ did'nt say it then it's up for grabs. MAke sure to give me blow by blow reasons why it is "brainwashing".

I need to make this clear because your arguments are quite frankly shit (because you dont make any) and people dont debate because they fail to see what you are on about.

truebeliever
10-10-2006, 12:42 AM
MADTHUMBS: I will have to back down. One of my posse is right next to me crunched over in laughter after reading one of your posts. He refuses to debate you.

To be honest, the fact that a you can seriously write what they write and believe you are being objective... I realize nothing of what is put to you will be accepted.

Their is a BIG WIDE WORLD out their brother of VERY smart people who have spent their lives LIVING the Gospel. Experiencing and relating to things you cannot imagine. Benny Hinn and the other hypocrit/conmen are limited mostly to the U.S. You are reacting to a particular U.S phemonema.

I wish you well in the coming End Of Days. Sincerely. :-)

10-10-2006, 06:07 PM
Very interesting comments cuda. Welcome.

cuda
10-10-2006, 10:28 PM
madthumb be careful what you wish for.When the anti christ reveals himself he will do just that .bring all factions together.When that happens will you bow to him?Just a friendly warning from a christion.And i do agree that the churches (not christions)are selling boosh to there members.When you are presented with a consevitive or liberal choice some people think the conservitive choice is the lesser of two evils but they are the same just a differant face.One preaching immorality and the other claiming to be christion.Those with knowledge can see that.Satan is a pretty smart guy and he has had a long time to get to know people and he has had quit a bit of help from the lost souls that think money and power is all there is.Like most churches in america do. when money is your god the devil is your banker.The one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.