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Draken
03-09-2005, 03:24 AM
Introduction

Universities are viewed as institutions independent of the concerns of the rest of society, where free inquiry, for the sake of knowledge itself, is encouraged. However, an examination of the developments that took place in the North American university system over the last century or so, will reveal a situation significantly different from the one that has been presumed to exist. A dramatic restructuring had been undertaken, between 1894 to 1929, that permanently placed policy making decisions over education in the hands of an industrial minority. Unbeknownst to the public at large, their very positions of power placed them in a direct conflict of interest with the generally accepted aims of higher education.

Although Marx’s solution for the ills of capitalism have turned out to be a political disaster, his critique of capitalism, nevertheless, was quite apt. Our understanding of capitalism is a society that practices a policy of free-enterprise. In actuality, the situation is closer to what Marx had described. He defined a capitalist state as one in which the “owners of the means of production”, that is, the industrial class, or the major corporations, manipulate the industry, the government, the media, and the educational system, towards their own personal ends, and at the expense of the masses, or who he would have called the “proletariat”.

Marx predicted that, in the advanced stages of capitalism, universities would become “factories of mental production”. What he meant was, that universities would become tools of the state-apparatus, guided by commercial interests, to first, coordinate necessary research projects, and second, to exercise control over the population, through the formulation of a national ideology designed to foster adherence and dedication to the capitalist agenda.

Read the rest of the article <a href="http://www.captiveminds.org/edu/education.htm">HERE</a>
I would very much like to read what all you students of "higher indoctrination" think about this article!

this
03-09-2005, 02:44 PM
Yes it's almost a truism that the more schooling a person has, the stupider they get.

The amount of learning about the universe a person can pursue it limitless so in a university situation the field of study is necessarily narrow, and narrower the further you go. Condoleezza went far in skool but those who know her field of study have found she really didn't know much.

It has been said that Economics is an example of a discipline that has very little academic rigour and is more or less a faith. I suspect that the same forces that made it that way also took over the pharmaceutical thought operation a century ago as well.

Specialization out of relevance is what happens. It's commonplace for advanced adademics and scientists to have no idea of the world around them, especially the political dimension of their specialty.

get_real
03-09-2005, 02:57 PM
this wrote:
Yes it's almost a truism that the more schooling a person has, the stupider they get.

The amount of learning about the universe a person can pursue it limitless so in a university situation the field of study is necessarily narrow, and narrower the further you go. Condoleezza went far in skool but those who know her field of study have found she really didn't know much.

It has been said that Economics is an example of a discipline that has very little academic rigour and is more or less a faith. I suspect that the same forces that made it that way also took over the pharmaceutical thought operation a century ago as well.

Specialization out of relevance is what happens. It's commonplace for advanced adademics and scientists to have no idea of the world around them, especially the political dimension of their specialty.

Yes, I've also noticed that the Condoleezza-type use that beautiful extended vocabulary to say absolutely nothing. Too much fluff words when addressing all peoples. No answers, just fluff.

marypopinz
03-09-2005, 03:05 PM
Uniherdity. When the campus media is known to reflect the lamestream media - gagged - you know the education is fcuked oops biased to a greater agenda.

They are training people's individual trains of thoughts towards what ends? Personal fullfillment or fitting the societal mold?

If free speech is not valued, I doubt free thought is recommended. I could be mistaken - I never attended uni - always chose private trade schools. My minimal education has served me very well. Mind you, i love to read.



You said it, get_real. they talk the fluff and its all just big words with not much meaning as these words make up half truths and half lies.

They learn political speak. Well these kids have got to learn to be P.C. somewhere and the folks ain't home to teach em. That's the government's responsibility. Train the globbies....

nohope187
03-09-2005, 03:05 PM
Outcome based education has been around for awhile. Hell, I think its been around back when I was in school and I graduated back in '96. :-?

get_real
03-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Unifarsity

marypopinz
03-09-2005, 03:09 PM
Excellant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Draken
04-02-2005, 05:25 AM
<a href="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/educatio.htm">The Techniques of Communism:
INVADING EDUCATION</a>

CHAPTER X: 208-248 (1954)

by Louis F. Budenz



IN UNDERMINING a nation such as the United States, the infiltration of the educational process is of prime importance. The Communists have accordingly made the invasion of schools and colleges one of the major considerations in their psychological warfare designed to control the American mind. By such "cultural" work, the Soviet fifth column obtains an influence, directly or indirectly, over at least a portion of American youth. Some of the young men entering our armed forces, and some of the young women who must support them, are brought within the orbit of pro-Communist thinking, to the detriment of our national security. Future community leaders are also affected. Many by-products beneficial to the conspiracy arise from this infiltration, since concealed Communists in education or their friends become sponsors of Communist fronts, aid in financing Communist causes, and sometimes play a part in influencing the attitudes of certain scientists, specific church circles, and government agencies.

As early as 1924, in lectures delivered at the Sverdlov University in Moscow, Stalin specified "cultural and educational organizations" as valuable allies in the Communist battle for world dictatorship. These Stalin lectures are now the famous Foundations of Leninism, published and studied widely by the Communists. It was in 1933, however, that extensive infiltration began in the schools and colleges of this country-encouraged by American recognition of Soviet Russia, and stimulated by the Open Letter to the Party. The Trojan horse policy of the People's Front, which had been initiated at the Seventh World Congress of the Communist International in 1935, gave added impetus to this activity. By May, 1937, the conspiracy considered that enough progress had been made in the schools and colleges to justify a special article of directives in that month's issue of The Communist, then the official theoretical organ of the Party. This article, "The Schools and the People's Front," laid it down as a necessity that "Marxist-Leninist analysis must be injected into every class." In order that this might be accomplished successfully, "the Party must take careful steps to see that all teacher comrades are given thorough education in the teachings of Marxism-Leninism." It was stressed that "Communist teachers are faced with a tremendous social responsibility." They must affect the children's thinking, and they must mobilize other teachers. But all of this was to be done from the work in the classroom to the agitation among other teachers -- "without exposing themselves." (Italics mine./Author)

This is the instruction which runs through all directives to the infiltrators of our schools and colleges: they must exercise their Communist influence "without exposing themselves." In this very article of May, 1937, an added precaution is given "Only when teachers have really mastered Marxism-Leninism will they be able to inject it into their teaching at the least risk of exposure."

The article by John Williamson in the November, 1950, issue of Political Affairs, dealing with general infiltration but referring specifically to trade union work, makes much of the same necessity. The Red infiltrators are there counseled to perform their task in such a way as not to be "exposed" and dislodged from their positions.

This method must be thoroughly understood. If it is not constantly kept in mind, the Red techniques of entering education and influencing its course will be completely missed. Those who contend that Communists should be permitted to teach in our schools "as long as they do not teach Communism openly in the classroom" have not acquainted themselves with the ABC of Red infiltration. And yet, the late Senator Robert A. Taft of Ohio, who represented a considerable section of conservative opinion, has made this grave error.

In the classroom, the Communist teacher or professor very rarely, if ever, teaches Marxism-Leninism openly. There are hundreds of indirect ways of reaching the same end. Books by Howard Fast, the author who has refused to state whether or not he would fight against Communists if drafted, are proposed as suggested or recommended readings. The works and statements of many other "authorities" who invariably take a pro-Soviet position, such as Professor Frederick L. Schuman of Williams College, can be freely used. The Red instructor has many other "non-Communist" sources to draw on-those leading figures in public life who always follow the Communist line and whom Stalin has designated as the "reserves" the conspiracy should call upon. An entire syllabus which would inevitably lead a student either to embrace Marxism-Leninism or to be sympathetic to the Communist line, can be drawn up without one notably or openly Stalinite reference in it.

Building on that foundation, the Communist teacher or professor notes the pupil or student most susceptible to pro-Red ideas. This student is cultivated privately, with a view to drawing him toward the conspiracy. In like. manner, colleagues on the faculty who indicate sympathy for pro-Communist ideas are influenced by personal association to join the Communist Party. The influence of the teacher who is committed to Marxism-Leninism goes far beyond these contact~into parent-teachers associations (often working behind the scenes with Communists in those groups), in the preparation of books, the presentation of lectures, the voicing of opinions, the raising of finances for the conspiracy.

Anyone who doubts the widespread character of Communist infiltration into education needs only to consult the Congressional investigations over the years. Specifically, the report of the House Committee on Un-American Activities of April 1, 1951, is most helpful. Entitled The Communist "Peace" Offensive: The Attempt to Disarm, and Defeat America, it cites scores of educators who have aided the Kremlin's peace partisans. Many of these have been sponsors or members of Communist fronts on a great number of occasions. Robert Morss Lovett, long with the University of Chicago and former American Governor of the Virgin Islands, is there cited as being a member of at least eighty-five Communist fronts. Dr. Harry F. Ward, Professor Emeritus of Christian Ethics at Union Theological Seminary, is reported to be a member of sixty Communist fronts. The late Dr. Walter Rautenstrauch, well-known professor of engineering at Columbia University, is reported to be affiliated with fifty Communist fronts. Dr. Henry Pratt Fairchild of New York University has been associated with forty of such organizations; Colston E. Warne of Amherst and Frederick L. Schuman of Williams College, with thirty, and that is the record also of Dr. Robert S. Lynd of Columbia.

Each student should examine this report carefully, since it gives an indication of the scale on which the peace partisans (so valuable to the Kremlin) have penetrated our educational institutions. Dr. J. B. Matthews, after careful examination of the records, declares that since 1935 "the Communist Party has enlisted the support of at least thirty-five hundred professors -- many of them as dues paying members, many others as fellow travelers, some as out-and-out espionage agents, some as adherents of the Party line in varying degrees, and some as the unwitting dupes of subversion." (American Mercury, May, 1953, "Communism and the Colleges," by J. B. Matthews.)

Read the rest of the article <a href="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/educatio.htm">HERE</a>.

this
04-02-2005, 01:25 PM
here's a good speech on Gramscian infiltration of the US including education:

waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954

rushdoony
04-02-2005, 02:53 PM
It is illegal to attend or work for
state/public university because
ALL TAXATION IS THEFT, so these people
are accepting the benefits of stolen money,
money that has been stolen ( taxed )
from hardworking, laissez-faire employed
fathers. It is illegal because the
states' law of theft ( taxation )
is in itself "illegal".
A moral, righteous person would refuse
to, and not want to, participate in
Statist/Theftist schooling/anti-education.

Spiritually, this evil funding to do "good"
tripwires a spiritual law
of bad karma or more correctly,
God curses the education so that
people are taught lies, and
the truth is withheld from them
in every subject area.

Theftist/Statist education-initials
after a persons name should be renounced.
Once the initials are renounced the person
should be forgiven of their education crimes.
Then they can start real learning from
non-State sources. Whenever you see
Theftist/Statist university degree initials
translate them in your mind to read
"I.D.I.O.T." and T.H.I.E.F.
( I'm only referring to the Statist/Theftist portion
of a persons education here, not what a person
has learned on their own from
non-stolen-education sources).

If you are the CEO of a company,
only hire people who do not have a
Statist/Theftist
"degree" and those who have renounced their
Statist/Theftist degree. Refuse to hire the others. Also, initiate some sort of
apprenticeship program within your organization
for young people to learn from the older
experienced people.

Also Statist/Theftist public university
paycheck collectors/professors and student
graduates should not be allowed to write
for "libertarian/free-market publications
and websites until they have quit or renounced
their "degree" of a stolen/socialist
education. These people, ipso facto,
have established a rule that one can
be an instigator of socialism (theftism)
and write against it too. That is called doublethink or being doubleminded.

Signed, Rushdoony, S.E.P. ( Self-Educated Person )

* P.S. - I am embarrassed and ashamed to admit that I attended Statist/Theftist/Liar
public university
for two years. Please forgive me everyone for
being a thief and a learner of Statist lies
for two whole years.
I quit so I could start learning for real
and spending my own money to do so.

Ozziecynic
04-07-2005, 07:21 AM
:-o So what is the point of this thread!. This thread appears to be a big jeolousy based whinge against those who can apply themselves to tertiary study and sucess.

I would like to inform all those of that live under the preception of public universities are ill informed. Their is no such thing as a completely private run university anymore.
Only partially government funded universities.
Most modern universities globally are atleast half private because they operate as seudo private enterprise by getting business from international fee paying students with big bucks.

In Australia as iam sure as in many other western nations it is huge import and export industry in its own right!.
In Australia their are only two Private Universities.The majority of Universities are Nominally public and I mean Nominally public universities. The powers that be including corporate tycoons like it this way. They have no problem with academic culture at universities if they did they would have made sure this culture was changed along time ago. The fact is they like the unversities with their pseudo marxist toting acedemics it fits in nicely with the status quo of lassiez faire ecnomic asperations of the big global end of town.

As for knocking university education you might like to stop the jeolous ranting about "outcome based education" as you call it, an oxymoron, term because all accredited education is outcome based including technical and community colleges.
Tell me one accredited learining institution in the whole western world that isnt besides the imginary dividian home tutoring compound some of you seem to believe you inhabit! :lol:.

My suggestion start using your noggins to apply yourselfs to more accredited education yourselfs in five years time you may not be able to rely on mere technical level college qualifications.
Most half decent renumeration is becoming more monopolised by big business all the time and education of any worth for competition is becoming increasingly tertiay based assuming most of you are still reasonably young for those of you over 50 you can just disregard what i just said.

So stop the whinging and just do something constructive instead of posting to the half educated and informed.The already converted with a chip on their shoulder about every second issue in the post modern world. 8-)

get_real
04-07-2005, 08:59 AM
Hello OC:
May I ask what your level of education is, as well as what your occupation is, as well as your family's educational/occupational background?

Hope you don't mind. I await your response.

Sincerely,
Helen, aka: get_real

rangergord
04-07-2005, 01:34 PM
1912 and 1992

In 1912 we had a popular R not keen on the FED. So, Morgan enlisted is lap dog (Teddy) for a 2fer.

Tada! (http://www.presidentelect.org/e1912.html)

Teddy discredited the "Progessives" while taking votes away from Taft, handing the Presidency to Wilson who was a puppet on Col. House's string.

In 1992 we had a popular R with a D congress opposed to NAFTA. Someone ;) enlisted Perrot to attack Bush and get Clinton elected for the sole purpose of pursuading enough D's to "support their President" and pass NAFTA.

Deja Voodoo! (http://www.presidentelect.org/e1992.html)

Maybe I'm reading this all wrong.

I should take another hard look at 68.

Oh, Taft broke up more trusts in 4 years then Teddy did in nearly 8, more trusts were created under Teddy then under Taft and more trusts were created then busted under Teddy while fewer trusts were created then busted under Taft. Yet, Teddy "the lap dog" is called the trust buster in official history.

Something stinks.

Ozziecynic
04-08-2005, 12:07 AM
May I ask what your level of education is, as well as what your occupation is, as well as your family's educational/occupational background?

:-? GR: You ask some very personal questions for an online forum where spooks hide. I am only prepared to answer part of your Questions not all they are simply too personal for this forum and I question your motivations for doing so.

I have graduated from High school with hsc i have several vocational qualifications.
My longest period of employment was as a Warehouse Storeman besides this i have had all kinds of jobs to make crust.
I dont think ones social position or background should have any relevance on what one should be able to achieve if they are prepared to apply themselves and break the mob mentality of peers nor the social class, status of the neighbourhood where one lives.
I say this because i have suffered to such stupid socio economic conventions and status expectations!.I am individual in the most existentialist terms nothing more nothing less.

My point is dont try to stereotype me i cant be sterotyped!.I am what Iam!. :-?

get_real
04-08-2005, 07:01 AM
HeY OC:

Your response is almost identical to what I had planned on responding to you.

Actually, I had planned on sending you a compliment if you did NOT have a Master's or PhD.

What I am getting at is that many a people think that those without college do not have a brain.

A good example of their misinformation and deception is that little show called Jeopardy.
Ever watch it? Now and then you can spot a contestant that is a butcher, florist, truck driver with a brain of knowledge that can put college professors to shame.

No OC, I was not going to bash you, but commend you on your intellect and ability to be forthright in your responses on some serious and complicated discussions (threads).

However, for those that are limited in education such as basic reading, math, writing----we have serious problems right here in Florida.

Unfortunately, many of these people with basic limitations apply to college everyday with 5th grade writing skills. This is why you will note that some bash the college crowd. Basically, and not all, do not have brain power. They only finish college and quote the back cover of books.
And then they get 'trained' on the job like everyone else.

I don't know what the education is like in Ozzieville, but here in the USA we need to bow our heads in shame.

Thank you OC for your response. No motive here.
Just to add: not everyone in this CC site is petty, good for nothing, or pee-brained.
And as far as needing college, or higher education in the next 5 years will not make anything better for all that do take the step for higher education.

The NWO biggies and their followers know who they will take under their wing. There are only a few that visit this site that are "safe".

PSS: Once again, no harshness intended towards you. Just thought that you come from a strict background of Lawyers, Doctors, Master's and PhD's.

I was going to suggest that you start your own club conspiracy to attract the likes.

Sincerely,
Helen (get_real)

nohope187
04-08-2005, 09:56 PM
Higher education is damned near worthless these days as all the good jobs are being imported to India, Pakistan, and China. NWO Amerika has yet to wake up and smell the third world that it has become. :-P

Ozziecynic
04-08-2005, 10:57 PM
:-o GR& NH :
Guys that seems like a cop out from both of you (copout aussie slang for poor excuses).
This attitude will not help you survive the future.I undestand that many of you are not cut for tertiary study but those that arent shouldnt try to put on the pretentions of being educated when they have never entered a uni campus in their lives.
For example i would like to know if posters here who criticise tertiary ED, like Draken have ever set foot on Uni campus or applied themselves to a degree because looking at his posts you would think he knows everything about everything in the most pretencious educated terms!.

If he hasnt or others then, their views are not facts they are just subjective like the next persons, nothing more nothing less. :-? :roll:

Draken
04-09-2005, 03:15 AM
OC, I decided a while ago not to answer posts that are off-topic. Instead of questioning my authority to critisize higher education you should read the article and question whether it states the truth or not. If you can't question it due to lack of experience of higher education then you can't really question me.

But since you challenge me (which I find very funny!) and seem to already have an opinion let me abuse your illusions: I studied at university in Sweden before I went to England for 4 years of Undergraduate studies (tertiary) and 1 year of Postgraduate study (quaternary).

I have enough experience of higher indoctrination, thank you very much.

But then again, this expose of my education is so irrelevant to this topic!!!

In any case, if you can't deal with the truth OC, you can always dismiss ANYTHING you don't agree with as lies. I mean, why should you trust me? I might as well be making my education up just to put you down, right?
After all, we are anonymous, at least most of us.

The only thing we CAN verify for ourselves is the topics we discuss.

On this you can trust me OC, I have no reason to lie: I've experienced higher indoctrination personally. My reasons for posting the original article is that what he describes is the truth I experienced.

Ozziecynic
04-09-2005, 05:22 AM
:-? Draken: I dont attend accredited tertiary education for indoctrination purposes of the academics worldviews.I attend to, pass exams, essay and courses and ultimately a degree.
I dont have to take the message of the lecturers and can take it or leave it.I choose to leave it at the edge of the university campus each time.

You Complain about tertiary education as though students have no free will to decide and believe in whatever they choose. This is simply not the case you are generalising. I am tertiary student in au and I have socially conservatives views.Do you think the lecturers taught me these?.

If i told my lecturers i believed in NWO and conspiracies they would laugh at me.Infact if you were to come to Australia and tell most people professionals, or trades and small business, any strata of society your views they would laugh because most Australians are simply to sceptical to believe in grand conspiracies period either that or they have no problems with what is being planned for them!.

You are insulting my individuality and free will by suggesting all post modern tertiary students can and will be brainwashed into secular humanist style views.If that were the case i would certainly never bother posting here!. :-?

Draken
04-09-2005, 05:42 AM
You Complain about tertiary education as though students have no free will to decide and believe in whatever they choose.

Students DON'T have free will and they DON'T have any choices either. IN GENERAL. If we didn't generalize we wouldn't be able to discuss anything, OC.

You have a brain? Great for you, OC, you don't have to feel attacked by my opinions then and be so defensive.

Conservative views? What exactly does that mean? The Bushes claim to have "conservative views"; does that mean you are in support of them?
And actually, your lecturers MIGHT as well have taught you your "conservative" views, whatever they ACTUALLY are. You might think you're fighting indoctrination with all the force and might you have, but you might take a tiny little thing for granted and that's where their loophole is.

And before you bite my head off, yes, I include myself in the group of the indoctrinated TO A CERTAIN DEGREE and PERIOD of my life. What I'm doing now is to counter that indoctrination.
The only person who could seriously claim not to be affected by indoctrination and propaganda is someone who's never seen a Hollywood movie or watched TV action series when they were kids.

You are insulting my individuality and free will by suggesting all post modern tertiary students can and will be brainwashed into secular humanist style views.If that were the case i would certainly never bother posting here!.

Like I said to you before, OC, I don't care if you feel insulted by what I say. If you do, that's your problem, not mine. I will never soften the blow just because you "feel insulted" - come on man, don't be such a wus. I'm not going to edit my writing for your comfort.
I write what I write because that's my experience and therefore my truth.

truebeliever
04-09-2005, 08:21 AM
I went through Uni for a B/A Nursing. It was a great little course that took in absoloutly everything...the physical, mental, spiritual, politics, law etc...

After graduating I worked for 4 1/2 years getting to know birth, death and cleaning up other peoples waste. It made me grow up.

300 started...about 5 got what they were trying to do. Most were woman and would constantly whine "why are we doing this? I just want to work".

I believe Uni is absoloutly WASTED on most people.

What does the average 17-18 year old know? It is supposed to be 'higher learning' but I fear the vast majority of people would be better served in the apprentiship system and that includes all the business schools.

I recently returned to the campus...half the Nursing building is now dedicated to business. Turning out useless managerial types...all ready to take their place in the NWO system as 'systems managers'.

Their is no other current use for Uni than for indoctrination. Nearly all the less practical things like ethics and courses designed to make you think are being canned.

If mere utility is what they want then it's time to move back to the apprentiship system.

If Uni was doing it's job thered be a revoloution tomorrow.

Like all institutions it's use has been turned to keeping the power structures intact.

I say burn them down. They no longer serve the public good but the ideals of an Elite few through government, foundations and direct corporate sponsorship.

Draken
04-09-2005, 08:57 AM
What does the average 17-18 year old know? It is supposed to be 'higher learning' but I fear the vast majority of people would be better served in the apprentiship system and that includes all the business schools.

I could not agree more, true!

Ozziecynic
04-09-2005, 10:59 AM
:-? TB: What does the average 17-18 year old know? It is supposed to be 'higher learning' but I fear the vast majority of people would be better served in the apprentiship system and that includes all the business schools.

For the average 17 -18 yes!.However in my case case I am 30.For those over 21 apprentiships are clearly out of the question due to the age based training structure in Australia set up by Mr Howard and co.
Mature age people are not attractive to Business because well, they are older!.Societies attitudes towards mature age training and life long learning would have to be radically adjusted in Australia to change this!.

If this age discrmination could be removed in terms of training yeh sure mature people may return to apprentiship style training.Obviously not as many youth are opting for apprentiships any more either.
I know if dads a plumber or a sparkie junior will usually follow a similar pattern also but for the majority of youth this is simply not the case.Especially because many Small Businesses prefer to train family or relatives before strangers!.

However as i understand it in Australia the post industrial era seems to mean less demand for traditional trades although service industries like hospitality have naturally always attracted high demand. We have so many chefs in Australia the country could almost become one big resturant.

The post modern economy simply appears to have bypassed many trades due to technological changes and the typical demand & supply cycle which has either made many redundant or less likely to employ youth or anyone else for that matter,due to not enough demand for most of 1990s until recently.Now all of sudden its in the News they need more youth for apprentiships this seems to have hit the government and the media out of nowhere.

These are structural changes caused by up and down supply and demand cycle Globally and locally, TB they are not so easy to remedy as you might think!.In the next month to year they maybe saying they need more tertiary training again more immigration has always been one of the economists and bipartisan government favourites whether it is more professional immigration or more trades based immigration they always appear to think it is an easier option than training local people.:-?

get_real
04-09-2005, 11:48 AM
Ozziecynic wrote:
:-o GR& NH :
Guys that seems like a cop out from both of you (copout aussie slang for poor excuses).
This attitude will not help you survive the future.I undestand that many of you are not cut for tertiary study but those that arent shouldnt try to put on the pretentions of being educated when they have never entered a uni campus in their lives.
For example i would like to know if posters here who criticise tertiary ED, like Draken have ever set foot on Uni campus or applied themselves to a degree because looking at his posts you would think he knows everything about everything in the most pretencious educated terms!.

If he hasnt or others then, their views are not facts they are just subjective like the next persons, nothing more nothing less. :-? :roll:

"this attitude will not help you survive the future"

Says who????????

Trust me, I'm cut from a very good cloth.

What attitude?????????

Listen up OC: YOU are no better in THEIR eyes than the 6th grade garbage collector.

Education is free, you don't need university, or degrees to be educated. Please read what some people are trying to express. For certain work, education has its place, obviously.

However,Get off your high horse.

Listen, my former mate is VP of one of the largest corporations in NJ, my brother in law is inline for a VP position, my brother graduated engineering college in 1968 when you needed to enter college with the best scores!!
Myself, only two years of college, and trade school. Yes, my work doesn't require a college degree. However, I can sit and dine with the best of them, and often do!! As far as people I know, I'll bet you only know of those in school and work.

You my friend think that YOU have the right to walk socially in everday life amongst everyday people placeing everyone you meet in a social pyramind, and totem pole. MY dear, I am NOT beneath YOU!! YOU want to take your 20 items and give yourself rank and go into the 10 item or less checkout counter. NO!!!

In public, you stand in line, just like the rest!!

In the workplace, there is a difference, and yet NOT all companies favor the "you are beneath me" attitude.

To those that run this world, YOU are in the same shit pond as the rest of us. However, if I'm going to play this game, then let me tell you something: I have what THEY want me to have: and that is MONEY IN THE BANK, NO COMPLICATIONS, NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, NO POLICE RECORD, GOOD LOOKS TO BOOT, AND I DON'T CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP. I TAKE CARE OF MYSELF. PERIOD. Do THEY 'NEED' ME?? No, just like they really don't need you. Too many people in the world. Too many degreed people, too many uneducated people. It's a numbers game, as someone said.

Like I said to someone, I just started my 53 rd year. I might not be a millionaires daughter or wife. But honey, I am better off then the guy who thinks that just because he has a newer car, in college/degree, large home/apt, that I'm supposed to ride in the back seat. NOT!!

No my friend, I am not afraid of the future. YOUR kind wants me to be. I do not fear the elite, they have monkeys to do their bidding, and these monkeys do not want to listen to the people. How sad. And we are supposed to bond to make this a better world. Hah!!!

Trust me, I can be just as judgemental. You sound like you're a snob.

Poor example, but to the point in simplicity: if you hit my car, your degree will not make the police turn the other way. I'll see to that.
When we are in a waiting room, and I'm first, I'm going first....not YOU and YOUR degree, or your snob status. I'll turn towards you and bring you down in front of everyone.
Understand??

I learned along time ago to be treated equally, and fair is fair. Anyone who pulls "infront" of me better have a better reason than yours.

You surprise me OC. Too bad.

People like you do not sit at our table. We welcome those that welcome the poor in spirit, the poor in education, and we make them ONE with us. It's how you carry yourself.

PS: Nothing wrong with a degree, I encourage all teens to push for a better, higher education.
But lets not knock down those who we can learn from, and lets listen.

truebeliever
04-09-2005, 09:54 PM
OC, i'm a little in shock.

I dont know if you've watched the telly in the last few months but Oz is in the greatest trade skills shortage in it's history!

Due to idiots like Howard basically laying waste to the apprentiship system the reserve Bank beleives it must hike interest to dampen demand simply because of the gigantic skills shaortage and the rise in inflation that comes with it.

Whole industries are grinding to a halt because they cannot get trades people.

As for the age barrier...thats simply a matter of adjusting the apprentiship system. Also, the 'apprentiship system' has been around for thousands of years and had no age limit.

For the vast majority their is no need for 'Higher Education'. They want practical skills.

This total wank of the 'New Economy'...service industries! What shit! We're all going to iron each others shirts and shuffle money electronically backwards and forwards...thats the new economic dream!!!!!!!!

You must make things. You must move and shift objects from one place to another.

In fact lets just forget economics. The tail is wagging the dog.

Well before the first business school opened and their was NO mention of a J Curve or Martin Freidman or even Adam Smith, people went about their business exchanging goods and services.

This activity served them and provided for basic needs. It was not end, it was the means. They worshipped God, explored the world, watched sunsets and brought up families...rejoiced in being alive when they could be dead and in darkness.

In some amazing turn of events...brought on intentionally by certain forces...the seeking of material gratifacation became the new religion. You were told if you did'nt have 63 rentals in your portfolio you would die very sad, and VERY miserable.

To actually plan your life or your day by the mindless up's and downs of an 'invisible hand' is so ridiculous as to deserve our utter contempt.

These pretend capitalists believe that if they can just factor in one more variable on their predictive spreadsheets they will finally become Gods, and with the push of a button eliminate all risk in their mindless, speculative, money shuffling activities.

Hence dropping out. Turn your back. When they tell you the Dow is up, sideways, up ya bum...tell them thats lovely dear, i hope it feels good for you. I have a meal of locally grown organic vegetables to prepare around a table with my family. Enjoy your microwave meal on your own, in your one bedroom loft apartment in the city, just walking distance from the exciting, pointless, worthless, money shuffling hub of mindless bullshit!

I honestly, without exaggeration, consider the love of this rational past time for the lazy, right up their with the great Yo Yo craze...to pass and be laughed about.

DROP OUT.

MAKE YOUR PLANS.

THOSE THAT HAVE EARS WILL LISTEN.

FORM YOUR OWN COMMUNITIES.

STILL FIGHT, BUT PREPARE YOUR SAFE HARBOUR.

THERE WILL BE NO CATACLISM...JUST A SLOWLY GRINDING BOOT SLOWLY DESCENDING ONTO YOUR FACE...START NOW!

BIT BY BIT BECOME AS INDEPENDANT AS POSSIBLE. TRUST ME YOU'LL ENJOY IT.

Ozziecynic
04-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Hey crank yanker:

Education is free, you don't need university, or degrees to be educated. Please read what some people are trying to express. For certain work, education has its place, obviously.

I thought i made it clear i was talking about accredited education. The type of education you do to gain employment. Iam not refering to self education at ones lesiure. If one want to pass course and gain employment they submit to curricula to pass a course, a means to an end.
I dont think you are understanding me to well !.

However,Get off your high horse.

I am not on any high horse dear!.Infact compared to the average american i have my foot firmly placed on the ground. It is you americans that are on a high horse. Your egos are always conceited and when you cant get something you just become nasty and jeolous and attempt to cut others down that do. Foreigners are dammned if they do and dammned if they dont. So i just decided to shun all americans because they are always shunning me!.

Listen, my former mate is VP of one of the largest corporations in NJ, my brother in law is inline for a VP position, my brother graduated engineering college in 1968 when you needed to enter college with the best scores!!

Thats all very interesting but it has zero to do with me! I have no desire of sitting with the best of them. And the best of what I might add?.I like your presumptions for wanting higher education most of them have zilch to do with me. My reasons are self betterment not status values as you superficial amercans always like to presume.

You my friend think that YOU have the right to walk socially in everday life amongst everyday people placeing everyone you meet in a social pyramind, and totem pole. MY dear, I am NOT beneath YOU!! YOU want to take your 20 items and give yourself rank and go into the 10 item or less checkout counter. NO!!!

Rubbish and mere speculation. You dont know me from a bar of soap. YOU are creating your own character one that is not me!. You can make all the wild speculations and stereotypes you like about me but you are wrong and deluded!. I thought i made it clear before i could not be stereotyped!. Well i cant!.

In public, you stand in line, just like the rest!!

Ofcause!.

Like I said to someone, I just started my 53 rd year. I might not be a millionaires daughter or wife. But honey, I am better off then the guy who thinks that just because he has a newer car, in college/degree, large home/apt, that I'm supposed to ride in the back seat. NOT!!
So thats your problem then, is your simply just jeolous! Get over it you live in status based and class based system the US is even worse than au. However why you wish to dump all this stuff on modest me seems a mystery!.Maybe you need a shrink!.


No my friend, I am not afraid of the future. YOUR kind wants me to be. I do not fear the elite, they have monkeys to do their bidding, and these monkeys do not want to listen to the people. How sad. And we are supposed to bond to make this a better world. Hah!!!

What are my kind! There is only one of me! Make this a better world ? :lol: And just when I thought we didnt get utopians on cc. :lol:

Trust me, I can be just as judgemental. You sound like you're a snob.
Judegemental .k. So who is the one with a grudge and jeolousy complex against Uni students. Why talk about the speck in anothers eye when you have a log in your own! As for snob you should realise that todays snob was yesterdays aspirational lower class nobody!Its called climbing the social ladder or in more formal language enbourgoisement!.It happening in most western nations even amongst a minority of the third worlds.Would you prefer it if most people had no ambition.I must say thats the first time i seen an american with an attitude like yours!.

People like you do not sit at our table. We welcome those that welcome the poor in spirit, the poor in education, and we make them ONE with us. It's how you carry yourself.

Poor!. I am poor I am partly on social security!. You cant get much more poor than that!. Before i applied myself to uni ed i was in the workforce as lower skilled worker.I also had significant periods of unemployment so iam nothing special neither is my family my father is retired 70 year old accountant and mother never worked both of them lived through the depression as kids in au.They are far more modest than you can ever imagine!.

In all you have a huge chip on your shoulder i think you need a shrink or DR Phil perhaps :lol:!But what ever tell some one whos cares because i dont! I have enough of my own problems!. :-? :roll:

Draken
04-10-2005, 05:11 AM
Rubbish and mere speculation. You dont know me from a bar of soap. YOU are creating your own character one that is not me!. You can make all the wild speculations and stereotypes you like about me but you are wrong and deluded!. I thought i made it clear before i could not be stereotyped!. Well i cant!.

Hey, OC, I seem to recall you having the same attitude towards me earlier that you're accusing GR for... :lol:

get_real
04-10-2005, 12:49 PM
A shrink? What for? I'm responsible, I rub elbows with good, responsible people. No welfare queen here.
Maybe you need a shrink.

You've mouthed off to some that shows me that you have some grudge against certain people primarily those of limited educational level, or lack of, I'm referring to formal, higher education through universities.

I, very much, admire those (for example in this CC) that are educated through other avenues in life and project themselves so well.

However, with you OC when someone throws your medicine back at you, you can't take it.

And trust me, I'm college material. But I've made my choices in life, with no regrets, because I've applied myself to be the best at what I do.

You seem to think that you will disregard certain people and get yourself on "track". And that's ok depending on what kind of people you avoid: druggies, law offenders, those that don't want to work. I understand that part. But you seem to hit on those that YOU think are worthless and shiftless because of their education status. Fine, you'll learn!!

Just because you are poor, doesn't mean that when you start to better yourself scholastically and economically---
that your rights are to step on others.
That's what I pick up on you.

No, I don't need a shrink, you do.

Jealous? Nope, of what? I am financially secure that I can take years off from work and go to school and get my bachelors if I wanted to. And I don't need a student loan or anyone to pay my bills.
Me jealous? I think it's YOU. My yearly earnings are more than the degreed person in an office job of 10 years. I'm glad I don't have those headaches.

Sorry you have your insecurities.

PS: respond all you want. I won't answer back, I'll give you a break.

Ozziecynic
04-11-2005, 05:42 AM
A shrink? What for? I'm responsible, I rub elbows with good, responsible people. No welfare queen here.
.K So you really are an idiot white trash american with conceited ego.Just as I thought, its all about YOU isnt it and your Self centred ME first attitude.People like you DIXIE cow are the reason the rest of the world hates americans you cant learn to be modest or admit your wrong occasionally so I guess you gunna get hammered when Tin empire stars & strips hits the deck.

And Remeber this Gem.
People like you do not sit at our table. We welcome those that welcome the poor in spirit, the poor in education, and we make them ONE with us. It's how you carry yourself.

So who is the so called SNOB now then!
So Poor in spirit arent you,when the shoes on the other foot!What a joke such a great christian to HEY :lol:

You've mouthed off to some that shows me that you have some grudge against certain people primarily those of limited educational level, or lack of, I'm referring to formal, higher education through universities.

And despite all your sweeping platitudes to the contrary it appears you have grudge against the POOR infact and not just in spirit in material and status also. Your posts are so easy to take apart with your own hypocrisy and its humerous.


, very much, admire those (for example in this CC) that are educated through other avenues in life and project themselves so well.

As stated once already i have also been educated in the school of life also!.

However, with you OC when someone throws your medicine back at you, you can't take it.

Well actually who was the one who started the aggro and attacked first!?? So put or shutup!.

Whos to say i have ever been off track. I think the post modern world is off track which means off track is an entirely subjective. assesment!.And what is more if you regrad yourself as so on track why do you hold such grudges and post on a radical site for dissidents promoting anti NWO terrorism ideals against the status qou Hey??. Yes Model citizen i salute You!!:lol:

Just because you are poor, doesn't mean that when you start to better yourself scholastically and economically---

Just because your a redneck cow that probly hates blacks, welfare receipents etc. Doesnt give you the right to step on others.Nor does it give you the right to call yourself a christian!.

Jealous? Nope, of what? I am financially secure that I can take years off from work and go to school and get my bachelors if I wanted to. And I don't need a student loan or anyone to pay my bills.

So what the hell is your problem then!. Actually i already KNOW its all about YOU yes YOU EGO No 1 and what poor didems pride can or cant have!

Got To Hell!!

get_real
04-11-2005, 07:05 AM
I guess I will respond.
OC, I hope you don't talk this way in general.
Shame on you.
No my dear, no white trash here, no cow, no dixie nothing. And as far as what you said against Americans. Yes, America can use a reboot. However, to those that come from other lands not using the English Language, they think we are all nuts. Yesterday, talk about coincidence, I met a lady that just moved here from Australia. Abusive husband. Plus other stories against Australian men. Hmmm. Seems like alot of trash on your side of the fence in OZland.

Homeless people in our county: several Australian guys! Why come here??? Running from the law?? Need new identity??

So I guess it's the same everywhere (?)

You are insecure. Period.
Shame on you. You do not represent those that seek a betterment in life. You stand in your little evil, distorted mind set.
Too bad.
As far as being a hypocrit. No. Just like I've said, I believe in how one carries themselves.
I cannot make fools of the butcher , the baker, the candlestick maker. My family through good and bad times hasn't forgotten its roots.
For those that know me here in CC, they know my family's background. They struggled, and members of their family died during Stalin's and Hitler times.

No OC, YOU are wet behind the ears. You don't know freedom. You don't know respect. You are too filled with anger. You're in need of professional help.
Just keep showing off your big mouth. I see how you are trying to educate yourself. Some education!! I'm sure you have a police record, and you're probably the town drunk. You have a difficult time being civil.

What started out as a compliment to one of your posts ended up abusing me. You idiot. READ!!!
READ and learn from others here how to debate.
I am not a political person, I make no secret of that. There are those here such as Draken, TB that are well learned and versed in this type of topic and debate. Others have interests and knowledge in other areas of NWO, others are more interested on the community levels.
CC has topics of interest for everyone.
And through my years I've seen, heard and experienced areas of NWO agenda. However, I seek to find the truth, so that others can feel that they are not alone. We all need to bond to make changes. But then again, you wouldn't know anything about support, you are too self-centered.

this
04-18-2005, 06:08 PM
This thread finally got rolling I see. It also proved although some people like to read and not post, some posters can't help but get their "knickers in a twist", which I guess makes for an interesting rant, I mean thread.

I can't help but say that I think Draken is on to something, and OC I'm not sure why you took offense to his point. If I'm not repeating Draken it would be to say that the elite controllers take great delight in warping the minds of the intelligentsia because so many others take their cue from those smart folks at the Uni.

NWO types specialize in controlling people and know that academics have mortgages too, and need summer jobs when they are younger. The amount of brainwashing going on posing as education or higher learning is staggering. In many fields you can ask a graduate some pertinent point such as found on this site or others and be met with a blank stare because they "weren't taught that". The more education a person has generally, the greater the level of rationalization and skill in applying it, and is exercised to ignore the cracks in the facade of our current worldview.

There are always exceptions.

----


April 16, 2005, Times Newspapers Ltd.

How gibberish put scientists to shame
From Tim Reid in Washington

PAGES of computer-generated gibberish, containing such gems as “contrarily, the lookaside buffer might not be the panacea”, have been accepted as an academic paper at a scientific conference in the United States in a victory for hoaxers.

Convinced that many scientific conferences would accept almost any research for the right fee, three students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology celebrated yesterday the submission of their gobbledegook masterpiece, Rooter: A Methodology for the Typical Unification of Access Points and Redundancy.

Jeremy Stribling, one of the students, said that he and two graduates were convinced that many academic conferences had few or no minimum standards because their sole purpose was to make money. “We decided to test the limits,” he said.

They wrote a computer program to generate nonsensical research papers, complete with “context-free grammar”, charts and diagrams. The program randomly selects and assembles sentences, then drops in impressive-sounding verbs and nouns. “Many scholars would agree that, had it not been for active networks, the simulation of Lamport clocks might never have occurred,” the paper asserts in its introduction.

“Certainly, the usual methods for the emulation of Smalltalk that paved the way for the investigation of rasterization do not apply in this area.” The students submitted Rooter, and a second paper, to the ninth World Multi-Conference on Systematics, Cybernetics and Informatics.

Mr Stribling said that they targeted the conference because it is notorious for sending e-mails to solicit admissions. An accepted paper usually attracts a fee. Nagib Callaos, a conference organiser, said that the paper was taken on a “non-reviewed” basis — meaning that there had been no feedback .

The students have raised more than $2,000 (£1,060) over the internet so they can attend the conference and give, as Mr Stribling said, “a completely randomly generated talk, delivered entirely with a straight face”.

An exercise in academic deceit

We ran four novel experiments:

(1) we dogfooded our method on our own desktop machines, paying particular attention to USB key throughput

(2) we compared throughput on the Microsoft Windows Longhorn, Ultrix and Microsoft Windows 2000 operating systems

(3) we deployed 64 PDP 11s across the Internet network, and tested our Byzantine fault tolerance accordingly and

(4) we ran 18 trials with a simulated WHOIS workload, and compared results to our courseware simulation

Taken from Rooter: A Methodology for the Typical Unification of Access Points and Redundancy



Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.

Draken
04-19-2005, 04:12 AM
Thanks THIS!!!

I LOVE this kind of subversive genious creativity!

:-D :-D :-D