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Shadow
08-16-2006, 10:52 AM
Hello all, I am new here, but I have followed this site with great interest as a lurker before.

Although I think this site is great, I have one great concern in that alot of this posts contain links to other sites where promises of great stories and revelations are to be found.

But I am concerned as such links are capable of inserting software such as keylogers and data vipers into our systems. In fact I have heard from computer experts that by proactively clicking on such links, you negate the ability of your firewall to prevent these trojans from entering your system and transmitting all your information to whoever controls these sites.

I don't mean to accuse any of you of doing such missdeads but I know that you can unwittenly fall prey and get duped by these people.

So I ask the posters to paste what they want us to see to the message instead of placing all of us in danger of falling prey.

Thank you for your time.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 11:38 AM
Without links there is no internet. Your reading way too much into the warnings. It is mostly concerned with links (URLs) inside email messages. It's called phishing. They send out millions of messages disguised as, say, a legit site such as eBay or PayPal. To the newbies out there the email looks like the real thing. In it they'll tell you click on the link to verify your info or something. Hovering over the link usually exposes the deception in the status bar. Instead of https://www.paypal.com/ the link will point to (this is for for effect) http://www.badmantryingtostealyourinfo.com/

It is true that some sites can give you a virus, install a trojan or some sort of spyware; but this is usually due to Active X components installed in IE Explorer. Use a secure browser, such as Firefox, and you mostly eliminate the threat outright.

On top of this, get yourself a good antivirus, keep it up to date and do regular scans. Get yourself a spyware program, and likewise do the same.

With a secure browser, the above tools, and a Firewall (software or hardware) - and unless you continually troll the seedy side of the internet: the real sick porn sites and/or illegal hacking and software sites - you need not worry.

Without links the internet would not be surfable. The very foundation of the Web would be broken. Do not be afraid of clicking links (besides the one's in emails sent to you unsolicited by a major coorporation, i.e. your bank). If you need to go to PayPal, eBay, your bank or something. Type in the URL directly in the address bar by hand.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:03 PM
As you said, I could click on a link and be redirected to a site where they can activate one of these trojans.

It is not links in general that I am worried about as I do trust sites like yahoo and google.

It is the links that people I don't know that they put into their messages this links that wories.

I mean, how do we know these people and how can we trust the links that they put into their messages.

After all, the way that they can control you is to act as your friend and draw you in, once they get into your computer and get your information, they own you.

Forget about this chipping malarkey, its when they worm their way into your computer that they get you and control you.


I do not mean to argue with you as I am sure you mean well, but this is the central way to control everybody.

666
08-16-2006, 12:07 PM
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Forget about this chipping malarkey,
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lol ... 100 years ago they were saying this ...

get informed my friend, research it yourself.

I will say no more.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:12 PM
If your so terrified of links then by all means don't click 'em. If your afraid of getting shot outside, then by all means don't leave your house.

I have given you the solutions earlier: the main one being, dump IE and use Firefox.

Send my first reply to any security guru you wish ... guaranteed they'll agree with my earlier assessment. Perhaps they can even persuade you from your unwarranted fears. Don't take my word for it, consult the experts to see if everything I've told you is correct.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:12 PM
no chips 100 years ago, unless sticking a french fry up the anus counted :lol:

Its the links they are using to control us

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:15 PM
I have given you the solutions earlier: the main one being, dump IE and use Firefox.

And why is Firefox being forced on us all of a sudden. Is it perhaps a more secure means to spy on us with.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:18 PM
No Active X my friend, look it up. IE is tied to the operating system at the core level. The Active X is a plugin that gives programmers direct access to the OS. Use IE and your open for attack; use Firefox and at least you've eliminated the most pernicious method for attack: Active X. Type Active X and security at a search engine for further enlightenment.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:24 PM
Its not ActiveX thats the problem. Its the use of Push Text technology that they use to insert the dataminers and trojans into the system.

Also I am very warry of strangers that call me friend and tell me nothing is wrong and I should click away. And now even tell me to get a new browser that I know nothing about

666
08-16-2006, 12:27 PM
As long as you are using a computer you are

as good as an open window.

SHADOW they are ALREADY in your computer and

recording EVERYTHING for posterity.

We got you already no need to click on no link.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/437967.stm

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Sci/Tech 1999

Windows 'back door' security alert

Cryptographers mark up code for a new key found in Windows

By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall

Cryptographers are sounding the alarm on a major security issue involving Microsoft Windows that could eclipse its Hotmail public relations disaster.


The BBC's Kathy Riddell: "This has set alarms bells ringing"

The findings of a computer security expert that America's National Security Agency (NSA) may have been given a back door into every copy of Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000 worldwide are being debated across the Internet.

Microsoft has issued a strong denial of allegations of misuse of a second encryption "key" in Windows.

"These are just used to ensure that we're compliant with US export regulations," said Scott Culp, Microsoft's security manager for its Windows NT Server software.

"We have not shared the private keys. We do not share our keys."

But cryptographers in the UK described the implications of the findings as "immense". Windows is installed on more than 90% of the world's computers.

Second key for Windows

Andrew Fernandes, Chief Scientist at the Ontario-based Cryptonym Corporation, is credited with discovering the identity of a second key used by Windows for encryption purposes.


The BBC's Chris Nuttall: "Windows is used on 90% of the world's computers"

Caspar Bowden, director of London-based Internet think-tank FIPR, said: "The allegation is that every copy of Windows contains an extra 'magic number' which would permit it to work with encryption modules designed by the US National Security Agency, as well as those approved by Microsoft."

The approval mechanism was introduced to ensure that the weak encryption in non-US versions of Windows could not be replaced with stronger software without it being checked against a "key" embedded in Windows, proving that it had been digitally signed off by Microsoft.

Two years ago, cryptographers found an alternative, and apparently superfluous, second embedded key. The new details came to light through debugging information erroneously left in the latest service pack for Windows NT.

Significantly, the key has the data tag "_NSAKEY" giving rise to speculation that the NSA persuaded Microsoft to give it special access to Windows in a secret deal.

Microsoft says it called its function an "NSA key" because the body reviews technical details for the export of data-scrambling software.

MS talked with NSA

It is known that Microsoft negotiated with the NSA on including encryption in its product. The export of strong encryption is banned by the Clinton administration, which fears terrorists and other criminals could turn it against the US.

There are two theories on why this unnecessary second key is included in Windows:

Conspiracy theorists say the key can be used to infiltrate targeted computers. It gives the NSA a direct way of doing this without having to use Microsoft's own key.

A more charitable theory is that Microsoft allowed the NSA a special key to secure the thousands of government computers running Windows.

"The innocent explanation is that the US wished to create bespoke encryption modules for official use on government systems without reference to Microsoft," said Mr Bowden.

"Ironically, introducing the second key has created a major security loophole in a mechanism which was designed to enforce US export controls on strong cryptography."

Microsoft suffered serious embarrassment on Monday when hackers exposed a simple way of breaking into the mailboxes of more than 40 million users of its Hotmail e-mail service.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:33 PM
Thank you for that.

That is how the data viper sends its data back. But you still have to be duped into letting them in to your system in the first place.

I'm not sure what part Firefox plays in this, maybe its that extra NSA key update.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:35 PM
They do it with Active X. Javascript doesn't have access to the OS. Safeguards have been put in place when the language was created. Same goes for PHP on the server side. Not true with VBScript invented by Micro$oft. If you instantiate a VBScript in an IE browser, you have virtually all the power in the world to effect damage on the target's OS. I can install anything I wish on your computer, I can erase your hardrive, and or list the contents of (and copy) any file I wish. How is it done? Active X. In combination with VB Scripting (which get's run directly from the IE browser) and Active X, your computer is a play-thing for a skilled programmer.

666
08-16-2006, 12:39 PM
Shadow wrote:
Thank you for that.

That is how the data viper sends its data back. But you still have to be duped into letting them in to your system in the first place.

I'm not sure what part Firefox plays in this, maybe its that extra NSA key update.


The Operating System is the TROJAN and ALL the

operating systems have back doors. Do you actually

believe the military is that stupid ? Remember the

internet is a military product. Did you read the

article from 1999 at all ?

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:48 PM
Sure, I agree with you guys on the NSA probably having a backdoor in Windows. There's not much you can do about that. What I was addressing is Shadow's fear of links. Links are what makes the Web, the Web. No matter who is giving the links or not. No clicking of links, no Web.

A solution to the backdoor tracking is to make your own computer from individual parts and install Linux instead of Windows.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:48 PM
I read it.

Do you know anything about computers?

You still have to link for them to open the back door.

Let me ask you something then, what do you know about Firefox? Who developed it?

Answer me that my friend

Shadow
08-16-2006, 12:50 PM
AISB,

Linux is even worse. What do you know of the people and their backers that develped it?

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:53 PM
Shadow wrote:
I read it.

Do you know anything about computers?

You still have to link for them to open the back door.

Let me ask you something then, what do you know about Firefox? Who developed it?

Answer me that my friend

Firefox is open source. Developed at first by the open source community of Mozilla. Thousnads upon thousands of "individuals" have contributed to its code. It is transparent to all. No funny stuff ... cause the community has made it instead of a corporation intent on suring the code because there might be something nefarious they don't want you to see: i.e, IE.

666
08-16-2006, 12:56 PM
Shadow wrote:
I read it.

Do you know anything about computers?

You still have to link for them to open the back door.

Let me ask you something then, what do you know about Firefox? Who developed it?

Answer me that my friend


You're assuming that you actually need a browser

to access the back door. YOU DO NOT.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 12:57 PM
Shadow wrote:
AISB,

Linux is even worse. What do you know of the people and their backers that develped it?

Someone has definitely brainwashed you if you think Linux is worse! Linux's code has been worked on by even more people than Firefox. If you want to see the code, you can view it yourself. And if you know anything about coding, you will immediately be set at ease that everything in it is on the up-and-up. Open Source community, complete transparency; making a secure OS for ourselves! Code is free to look at or to change at will.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 01:10 PM
666 is quite correct about military capabilities.

Designed to survive nuclear war. The military and the NSA take very pro-active measures to make sure they can get into systems and individual computers. Your worry about links and what individual members here can do with links is immaterial to the bigger picture.

Don't use IE unless you play with the settings and get it wired down tight.

AISB_Watch
08-16-2006, 01:14 PM
Just to be clear: Firefox AND Linux is worked on by individual programmers who give their time freely. In turn, both are completely free to the end user. It is called a community for a reason. And it is transparent because it really is open for all to examine for themselves.

In contrast, companies like Microsoft guard the code that makes every piece of software they sell. They trademark it and copyright it, and they make billions and billions of dollars off you. You do not know what the code is that makes their products, you are not allowed to view it. Thus, anything and everything imaginable could be in there and you wouldn't know it. Not only that, but if you did get your hands on their code, you would immediately be prosecuted for it.

Do you see why the open source community has been created? Precisely to say "fuck you" to the Micro$oft's of the world. We'll do it ourselves, and we'll make it transparent ... and FREE to boot! No NSA code will be allowed, cause we have created it ourselves - and if anything does creep in, it will be immediately detected and deleted or changed, because access to all the code is allowed.

666
08-16-2006, 01:16 PM
Shadow wrote:
666 is quite correct about military capabilities.

Designed to survive nuclear war. The military and the NSA take very pro-active measures to make sure they can get into systems and individual computers. Your worry about links and what individual members here can do with links is immaterial to the bigger picture.

Don't use IE unless you play with the settings and get it wired down tight.


Thanks Shadow I don't care about who is right or

wrong ... like a dead singer once used to sing

" all I want is the truth ... just gimme some

truth " ...

and the truth is that we are screwed :-D

Shadow
08-16-2006, 01:19 PM
Actually I posted that but Shadow needs to take a pill and relax. I don't really think this forum is set up to screw with members. His worries lie elsewhere.

666
08-16-2006, 01:23 PM
Shadow wrote:
Actually I posted that but Shadow needs to take a pill and relax. I don't really think this forum is set up to screw with members. His worries lie elsewhere.

I did notice it was remarkable twist of opinion.

Don't you love the power of paranoia.

Shadow
08-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Certainly do. It makes the world go round.

Shadow
08-17-2006, 03:11 AM
Someone else was posting in my name

Shadow
08-17-2006, 10:29 AM
I've just completed a full sytem check on my machine with norton, mcafee and adware. Who ever got in did it well as I cant find anything.

I really don't know what to do now other than buy a new machine.

People please be carefull, I mean all I did was talk about not clicking on links and they infiltrated my machine and even started posting messages using my name.

Is there more proof than that required.

Be carefull

Shadow
08-18-2006, 03:20 AM
Shadow wrote:
666 is quite correct about military capabilities.

Designed to survive nuclear war. The military and the NSA take very pro-active measures to make sure they can get into systems and individual computers. Your worry about links and what individual members here can do with links is immaterial to the bigger picture.

Don't use IE unless you play with the settings and get it wired down tight.

Moderators,

I did not write this and I demand that it is removed.

Tor
08-18-2006, 02:38 PM
No you moron, I wrote it. Jeez.

I'm sorry for that. Its just you keep going on about things that are not a problem. There are real problems with internet securtiy but this site is not one of them.

Shadow
08-19-2006, 09:16 AM
Tor wrote:
No you moron, I wrote it. Jeez.

I'm sorry for that. Its just you keep going on about things that are not a problem. There are real problems with internet securtiy but this site is not one of them.

Don't call me moron, you moron.

And how the hell did you get into my account.

Are you some kind of spook?

Tor
08-19-2006, 12:07 PM
What I do is of no concern of yours. I have better things to do then break into your account. I doubt there is much there except porn.

Shadow
08-19-2006, 12:16 PM
Stop lying spook.

Why did you post here from my account? And then admit to it?

08-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Who's on 1st?

Shadow
08-22-2006, 10:09 AM
What the hell are you joking about.

This spook breaks into my account and then starts posting messages here under my user name and he has the gall to admit to it. But now he denies it.

Shadow
08-22-2006, 11:52 AM
Shadow wrote:
Actually I posted that but Shadow needs to take a pill and relax. I don't really think this forum is set up to screw with members. His worries lie elsewhere.

Yes this is the one.

I think that Tor is a spook and hacked into my account because I was talking about data vipers.

The original post I had before he changed it was about how a New York Times reporter had his computer hacked and a data viper being implented in there to monitor his reporting.

earthspirit
08-22-2006, 04:18 PM
"Oh what a web we weave".........

C'mon you! It appears to me that there are some people using 2 or more names here at CC!

HA, HA, funny funny.

08-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Personally I use 33 1/3 names. What's on second.

Shadow
08-23-2006, 03:22 AM
earthspirit wrote:
"Oh what a web we weave".........

C'mon you! It appears to me that there are some people using 2 or more names here at CC!

HA, HA, funny funny.

What are you on about? Are you telling me that othjer accounts have been infiltrated?

08-23-2006, 11:22 AM
tor and shadow need to get a room for their buttsex

Headvoid
08-23-2006, 12:35 PM
Do mods on this forum generally break into other peoples accounts? Is that normal behaviour?

Shadow
08-23-2006, 01:37 PM
I don't think Tor is a mod.

But somebody sure broke in to mine and posted messages claimed to be by me.

Shadow
08-23-2006, 01:37 PM
DamnTheMan wrote:
tor and shadow need to get a room for their buttsex


Shut up pervert!

Tor
08-23-2006, 02:13 PM
I don't know how my name keeps coming up here as some type of spook. I haven't been in government for some years now. So shut the fuck about it. I'm not here to spy on you and if I was you wouldn't know about it.
I could make your hard-drive melt if I were so inclined.

Shadow
08-23-2006, 03:00 PM
Tor wrote:
I don't know how my name keeps coming up here as some type of spook. I haven't been in government for some years now. So shut the fuck about it. I'm not here to spy on you and if I was you wouldn't know about it.
I could make your hard-drive melt if I were so inclined.

Stop it.

cuda
10-11-2006, 09:51 AM
my son and i built our own computers amd athelon 64 and they cost 1200 apiece in parts and we got a hacked version of windows from a buddie of his dad.It worked good but we kept getting a end user update and ignored it. its an xp proffessional. when we decided to get a xp home version for each one and installed it we got blue screens and windows said they didnt know why till one day the error report kept coming up repeatedly after it was sent.then i got a bad_ pool_caller message from them and they said it was the video driver needed an upgate (by this time his computer would no longer boot up) and he got the only other driver for the video card available and my computer got worse and i asked them to recomend the one i need.funny didnt have these problems with the hacked version. and then my computer stopped booting up just like his. so we are using our old comps with the hacked version and again no problems. i go to a lot of news sights and i make comments that boosh and the like probably dont like much and i said to my son homland security probably got us. and then i come to this sight and read what you all are saying and i think wtf? could it be? I read an article where in europe they left a comp on for like 7 hours at a time and they got as many as 50 or so hits trying to access there comp through windows with hacks and worms that make your comp unuseable and showed it to my son . he says he will try taking out the hard drive and erasing it or something like that and see if will salve the problem. i favorite linked this sight so he can see what you all are saying about this . Oh ands its funny how windows stopped with the end user update on this hacked version and is allowing me updates too .They know its true what you all are saying . If anyone has a salution to our problem we would appreciate some advice. you can e:mail us at shadowmongoose72@gmail.com

Shadow
10-11-2006, 10:31 PM
Does your son know how to search for a data viper?

This may not be your problem because they want to keep the computers up and running so they can send the data out. A computer not working would definitely be more of a worm. Sorry to hear about it. But thank you for confirming what I have said about clicking on links.

Also, Im not sure if your talking about the same tests in Austria, but I heard that they isolated a data viper back in 2003. After they stoped it from being able to comunicate, they started seeing a hit comming in exactly every 10 minutes from the same IP as the viper was trying to send out to.

Be careful

cuda
11-07-2006, 06:25 PM
been a while since i wrote this but how do you look for a viper shadow?

Shadow
11-08-2006, 10:54 AM
My friend Delta sent me a program that you run under the DOS prompt. That will search to the root of the Windows operating system.

Norton can detect some of the earlier versions but McAfee is pretty bad.

Other than the DOS program, the only thing you can do is to do the ALT-CTRL-DEL to get the windows task manager and look for some unusual programs that may be running.

Hope that helps

Barbarien
11-08-2006, 06:56 PM

igwt
02-07-2007, 12:00 PM
http://www.blue-angel.ro/

02-07-2007, 12:33 PM
igwt wrote:
http://www.blue-angel.ro/

You've already been OUTTED as a liar, a manipulator, in league with the DEVIL, and the use of mind control tactics on this site.

You have NO CREDIBILITY.

Sorry, but I'm BlueAngel, not blue-angel.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

ColdSheenow
04-15-2007, 09:55 PM
ShadWiGwoW DA MiSSinG LiNk CaVeGiRL.

04-15-2007, 10:37 PM
Not that your on your own, but time is questioning perogative, Light a deffination of a torch, to show respect for those who might have conquered, by that have not helped you regain the idea of Fuck the Rich, except those, that want to help the perogative mankind, and you know thats where we may become judgemental?

04-15-2007, 10:53 PM
Sharp wizard created one hell of a sharp device.

04-15-2007, 10:57 PM
Look into yourself, and become an attribute

04-15-2007, 11:16 PM
Holy Diver....

Shadow
04-16-2007, 12:05 PM
Torchy,

You should leave our new pet Dick Diver alone.