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O_VAUGHAN
08-18-2006, 05:33 PM
The following is a very SHORT list of sadistic acts that are commanded, allowed, or threatened by God and his “righteous” men. All of these verses can be found in the Torah. (which are the first five books of the Bible.) I have put them in chronological order so that you may verify them as you read along. (Keep in mind that the scriptures literally have an atrocity on every other page. So this list will keep evolving as I work through the Pentateuch yet again. To compile a full list may take months, so feel free to check back in later.) God entraps humans by placing the tree of knowledge in the garden and telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it. This is rather similar to placing a toy in front of a child and telling them they are not allowed to play with it. God created us with instinct, rebellion, and curiosity. Soon he punishes us for only doing what is part of our nature. Genesis 2:16.47

God now commands that all women must have health hazardous labors for Eve ate the fruit. In no way shape or form is it just that I must pay for the sins of my ancestors. Genesis 3:16

God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel’s death. Genesis 4:3-5

Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7

Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery. Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites’ Lord. This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people. What is troubling about this verse is that when god “hardens the pharaoh’s heart” he is interfering with the Pharaoh’s free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for. As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt. The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations. Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7

God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6

God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7

Exodus 22:18 God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic. Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition.

Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don’t know about you but death is a pretty harsh fucking punishment.

Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery. Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.

Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13

Handicapped people must not approach the altar. Leviticus 21:16-23

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.

Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses’ leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it. Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.

Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.

Numbers 21:27-35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon - “…the men, the women, and the little ones.”

Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.

Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

A bastard can’t attend church “even to his tenth generation.” As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn’t cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2

666
08-18-2006, 05:41 PM
nobody's perfect.

:-D

Headvoid
08-18-2006, 06:03 PM
Are you saying God is evil?

666
08-18-2006, 06:12 PM
Headvoid wrote:
Are you saying God is evil?


All I'm saying is that at least this

God is honest when he says he's a jealous God.

:-)

Stranger
08-18-2006, 06:31 PM
O_VAUGHAN

Reading your post reminds me of something I would see in the editorial section of a communist run newspaper. On the surface it seems to the writer as being intellectual, but looking through a distorted lense gives a disorted image.

O_VAUGHAN
08-18-2006, 09:16 PM
Headvoid wrote:
Are you saying God is evil?

EXCUSE ME. Read the fucking title of the thread and then read the fucking threadstarter. I didn't write the stuff from the Torah. I am saying that there is a lot of evil stuff mentioned in the Torah.

Stranger, read the threadstarter. I'm not trying to come across as intellectual. I didn't write it. Do you not think those sections are evil? You wanna see some Old Testament stuff about rape and murder?

If you guys don't think this is evil stuff or if you think I took it out of context, post your stuff. Don't shoot the fucking messenger. Sheesh

ignt
08-18-2006, 10:42 PM
In the Book of Job, Satan must receive permission from GOD for all he inflicts upon Job. You see the GOD of the Bible is well prepared for the human race. It is your churches and your doctrines and your make believe that paints the false picture of GOD. If you or any of you want to challenge the GOD of the Bible, then do so. You would be well advised to understand that you have in the Bible a clear picture of the only GOD there is and have had so for thousands of years. Why then be surprised and indignant when GOD shows that GOD is exactly as described. GOD said that GOD hated Esau while even in the womb. So the GOD of the Bible can and does have the ability to hate humans.

Stranger
08-18-2006, 10:43 PM
I didn't write it.

Then who wrote your editorials after you quote some verses (deceptively out of context by the way). Are you quoting someone else?

Don't shoot the fucking messenger

There is an attempt to make a bold personal interpretation of what the scripture says, then try to hide behind "just a messenger" garbage? Don’t think so, wont work here. You have right to make whatever statement you like, but at least take the response like a man. Again I may be mistaken, are you quoting someone else or another article?

Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13

this is just one of many quotes you listed. Where do I start? Homosexuality is clinically and medically an extreme health hazard. Worse the smoking, obesity, etc..... There were not many medical journals back in the day warning of the dangers of this behavior. sounds like your god is a politically correct fantasy. Honestly, your a philosophical communist aren't you? Not trying to make a cut down, honest question. Have friends that think the same way you do, and they admit they are communist philosophically.

ignt
08-18-2006, 11:02 PM
I shall make this plain. If any of you wish to confront the GOD OF THE BIBLE with your complaints and questions of GOD's wisdom then go directly to GOD. Use the same techniques that were used by others in the Bible and learn once and for all in whose universe you live. You will get an individual reply that will enlighten you as to whose property you are. If you need a lie for an answer then ask your priest, Rabbi, or what ever form of false intermediary you use. The time is coming when you will not even have to ask for GOD's opinion of this age it will be blazing before your eyes, deafening your ears and shriveling your tongue. Continue to play with GOD, it will make my day.

666
08-18-2006, 11:06 PM
O_VAUGHAN wrote:

Headvoid wrote:
Are you saying God is evil?

EXCUSE ME. Read the fucking title of the thread and then read the fucking threadstarter. I didn't write the stuff from the Torah. I am saying that there is a lot of evil stuff mentioned in the Torah.

Stranger, read the threadstarter. I'm not trying to come across as intellectual. I didn't write it. Do you not think those sections are evil? You wanna see some Old Testament stuff about rape and murder?

If you guys don't think this is evil stuff or if you think I took it out of context, post your stuff. Don't shoot the fucking messenger. Sheesh


O_VAUGHAN ... you brought up a very important

point that has puzzled me too and I don't know

what the answer is ... maybe that's why mankind

is evil too because we were created in God's

image ?

Stranger
08-18-2006, 11:31 PM
God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7

When a female Israelite was sold, the owner essentially was engaged to her. In a sense, the money would act as a dowry. There was no physical relationship, and the couple did not share quarters during an engagement. An engagement could be broken off, but to do so was frowned upon. If a man bought a female slave to be betrothed to his son, then she would become a full daughter-in-law. http://www.marshcommentary.com/commentary/exo021.htm

Have you researched your on questions?

Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

Incest??????? How could it be incest if they are not blood related?
The sin of Onan has generally been supposed to be self-pollution; but this is certainly a mistake; his crime was his refusal to raise up seed to his brother, and rather than do it, by the act mentioned above, he rendered himself incapable of it. We find from this history that long be fore the Mosaic law it was an established custom, probably founded on a Divine precept, that if a man died childless his brother was to take his wife, and the children produced by this second marriage were considered as the children of the first husband, and in consequence inherited his possessions.

Stranger
08-18-2006, 11:57 PM
Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

First off, you got the verse wrong, it is not Lev 26:30 it is 26:29. That chapter is talking about judgment and acts to occur in the future. God is not commanding parents to eat their children, as you strangely imply. God is predicting what they actually will be doing in the future because of their desperation.

I could go on and on and on, there are so many mistakes in your post, so many deceptive spins I swear Clinton's lawyers wrote it.

You know this is kind of fun. If you want me to refute each attempted point, it would not be that difficult. It just takes a little research. I still haven't figure you out. Are you purposely being deceptive or have you just not researched it thoroughly?

ignt
08-19-2006, 08:47 AM
The present humankind was not created in the image of GOD, but in the image of the Elohim. Learn the difference. Remember as you learn the truth of the GOD of the Bible, confront that GOD that is GOD at your own risk and receive your reply knowing that it is irrevocable.

nohope187
08-19-2006, 08:35 PM
ignt wrote:
GOD said that GOD hated Esau while even in the womb. So the GOD of the Bible can and does have the ability to hate humans.

I've seen that before somewhere in there, but anyways, if God truly hated Esau from the womb, why didn't God cause Esau's mother to have a miscarriage? He must have loved him enough to let him live, no? Just like you declare to be on the other side yet God let's you live. Yes quite merciful is he, is he not? :-P

ignt
08-19-2006, 09:06 PM
I do not declare to be on any side because there is only one side and that is the side of the GOD of the Bible. If GOD hated Esau, as he did, it does not preclude GOD's forgiveness of Esau or of Esau's establishing favor in GOD's eyes. Is it impossible to understand that the absolute GOD is not like humans and does not think like humans, but can if it is desired. My accusations included that humans were incapable of comprehending even the smallest part of GOD as was shown to Moses and Moses was a great one. There is no war against that which is the total sustainer and perpetuating one of all that can be and that is the GOD of the Bible. I am very aware of the mercy of the Creator and that the agenda of the Creator is being carried out to the minutest details of space, time, flesh, and spirit. GOD is no child and does not act in a rash manner. GOD has allowed the most destructive creature that has ever breathed the air of this planet to live and that is the human race. Do not count on this always being the case for the love of a rabid species could end in it being mercifully removed from this and any other habitation.

nohope187
08-19-2006, 09:29 PM
ignt wrote:
Do not count on this always being the case for the love of a rabid species could end in it being mercifully removed from this and any other habitation.
I seriously doubt this rabid species would need any assistance from God to be removed from this habitation. We can do that ourselves given current CBR technology. :-?

ignt
08-19-2006, 10:39 PM
Whether you need it or not you will receive it. the only way to believe this is to study the Bible yourself and be receptive. No one will force feed you except of course the churches. These teach and promote a human god of myth a mixture of what humankind demands to hear and wants, a kindly god who wanders lonely for the love and companionship of humans. GOD as The CHRIST said has other flocks to feed. Little is mentioned of this, but it is there, because your species does not need to know yet. As you say and as I have said, the likelihood of the longevity of the present dominant species of Earth is not only in doubt, but assured to be low. What church will teach you this, what Priest will say this for fear of his livelihood. As I have said, confront your God with this question, see if an answer that rings true to you is forth coming. So many say why is this and why is that. The answer is that the GOD of the Bible describes GOD's ways directly to humans and does not mix words and this GOD is GOD and there is no other. Humans did not ,because of fear, feel comfortable with this GOD at Sinai and were allowed to reject GOD and they did.
The rejection will be and is being returned to this species and much more is to come.

Stranger
09-02-2006, 11:37 PM
O_VAUGHAN, where did you go? I responded directly to some of your concerns regarding certain verses located in the Bible. Feedback?

O_VAUGHAN
09-03-2006, 08:17 PM
Stranger, I am still here. In case you didn't notice, the title of the thread is evils of the TORAH.... NOT THE BIBLE so your response has been ignored. I didn't necessarily put the post up for me to talk about it, either. I was interested in provoking thought to see what some of the responses would be. I'm still new here and trying to find my sea-legs as they say. Next time you decide to respond to one of my posts/threads, kindly read the title before doing so then you won't look like such a fucking moron. :-)

Regards,
OV

Stranger
09-03-2006, 09:18 PM
O_VAUGHAN,

Please accept my apology, I was wrong. I thought when I responded to your post that you would at least have a fraction of an intellect to work with to at least come up with a lame rebuttal. However, I was wrong, apparently, you'r even missing the fraction.

I am still here. In case you didn't notice, the title of the thread is evils of the TORAH.... NOT THE BIBLE so your response has been ignored
OK, I know you may have trouble understanding this, so I will type it sloooower for you.

O_VAUGHAN, this may come as a shock to you, but (I'm typing even slower now) the Torah is found in the Bible. Hello?? Still there?? To repeat, the Torah is part of the Bible. And my rebuttal to you involved all Torah (Bible) verses.

Next time you decide to respond to one of my posts/threads, kindly read the title before doing so then you won't look like such a fucking
moron. :-)

This is just too easy, I am dying to respond but it would be cruel, like picking on the dumb kid.

Next.

09-04-2006, 03:33 AM
Stranger wrote:
Homosexuality is clinically and medically an extreme health hazard. Worse the smoking, obesity, etc..... There were not many medical journals back in the day warning of the dangers of this behavior.
I hope you are being sarcastic.

Stranger
09-04-2006, 08:18 PM
I hope you are being sarcastic

Absolutely not, actually, I think I am even more surprised by your response.

I would be interested to know what about the above statement do you think is false. I can give you a bunch of boring research findings (I’m sort of in the field) but it might be best to first understand why you think this is not true.

I can’t think of any of any issue in society that has been so masterfully and deceptively woven into our culture. I give them credit, their propaganda campaign has been brilliant. Not only have the powers that be convinced the population that homosexual behavior is as healthy as apple pie, but if you don’t accept it, then you are the one with psychological issues. Brilliant strategy I must say.

Please give your feedback on this spectre (no I am not being sarcastic). Truly curious on what is shaping your opinion. This topic might need to become a new post. In fact….

09-05-2006, 01:14 AM
I simply misread your statement.