12-20-2004, 08:10 AM
Usury and interest have been one of the pillars of the Antropo-Satanic World Order ,from the ancient times. For centuries, lending money at interest has given “producers of money” the chance to misuse and exploit the needs of other men by persuading and forcing them to submit to their conditions and even ideology. In this way, men (individually) and nations (as a whole) are “enslaved” under the pretext of help-under the feeling that loan that they get is “real good”- what it is not.
Jewish Cabbalists persuaded European aristocrats and (later) American statesmen to allow them to print paper money for their states. According to this agreement, Bank of England, France, Deutche Reichsbank and (later) US Federal Reserve have been founded as private companies (banks) that,acctually lent money to these states.In this way Cabbalists got chance to charge interest for their “services” to the states and secured for themselves monopoly rights in the world money issues.
The money-landers do not have to possess oil wells; they do not have to fight for oil , produce or transport it. They just lend money to the companies,states,armies,kingdoms- to do the job (for them) and in the end the money-lenders become “custodians” of the money (profit) those in the oil bussiness made.

Many contemporary religious authorities, who are either naive or corrupted by the NWO claim that usuary and interest are not similar –that usuary is prohibited but “moderate interest” is acceptable and necessary for normal banking.
To the contrary, Greek and Roman writers disapproved the habit of certain persons to oppress others with interest on loan. They condemned money trader's profit. Aristotle in his Politics ( 1: 10,11), as well as Plato in his Laws (5: 742) considered interest as pernicious and illogical practice. Also Aristophanes condemned it openly (“Clouds”, 1283 sqq.) and Seneca compared it to the crime of homicide (De beneficiis, 7: 10).

Hinduism and Budhism do not pay much attention on this issue.

There is no general and absolute prohibition of interest in The Old Testament, although The Torah, at two places, forbids the Jews from taking of interest ("neshek") from one another. See The Old Testament Ex. 22: 25; and De. 23:19-20 ( the literal translation of the Hebrew word "neshek" is interest on a debt; Strong's Concordance of the Bible-Strong's Number: 5392-HSN ).
The New Testament did not regulate this issue,except that one passage in St. Luke (6: 34, 35) might be interpreted as a hint of the condemnation of interest. It must be said that usury and interest were not of great importance for early Christian clerics. Later, The Church changed the notion, thus the Council of Arles, First Council of Niceaea and the Council of Elvira condemned clerics who lent money at interest (note –only clerics). However, the First Council of Carthage (12th canon) and the Council of Aix (36th canon) considered the practice of charging interest for lending money as unacceptable ,even for layman. In the Middle Ages interest was forbidden by canonical laws apsolutelly (see Decree of the Decretals- chapters 2, 5, 7, 9 and Decree of Gratian, q. 3, C. IV). Usurers and those people who persistantly used to claim that charging interest is not forbidden should be treated as heretics according to the Council of Vienne held in 1311 ( "Ex gravi", unic. Clem., "De usuris", V, 5). After all, the fact that the Jews have been given impunity for usury by the Church for a long time is infamous. Nevertheless, Calvin expressed opinion that lending money at interest to rich persons should not be prohibited. Salmasius theoretically elaborated this view and wrote systematic code of rules on this issue. A friend of Benedict XIV- Maffei in his famous treatise, "Dell' impiego del danaro" justified Calvin’s attitude.
Generally ,in the past the Church permitted two types of interest :so called compensatory interest (when the lender was in danger of losing his capital or could not advance his loan of money without exposing himself to a loss or to deprivation of a gain) and moratory interest.
Today, the Church allows the practice of lending at interest-what means that the Church authorizes the impost without one's having to enquire if, on lending his money, he has suffered a loss or deprived himself of a gain, provided he demand a moderate interest for the money he lends.
Many people ask what the reason was for this change in the attitude of the Church towards the interest? Clerics often claim this differece is due to the change of “global economical circumstances”.But what abot the practice of the Church to permit Jews to lend money at interest even in the Middle Ages?

Islam, to the contrary, has succeeded to prohibit interest totally and apsolutelly to everyone since today (although some perverted scholars like Freemason - the Great Egyptian Mufti Shaikh Muhammad 'Abduh tried to prove that usury was not interest.However he was refuted and anathemisized by the majority of the Islamic scholars ).
In the Qur’an, God does not declare war on anyone except the people who charge interest/usury.

- “Those who devour usury/interest will not stand except as stands one whom the devil by his touch has driven to madness. That is because they say: Trade is like usury: but Allah has permitted trade and forbidden usury/interest.... Allah will deprive usury/interest of all blessing, but will give increase for deeds of charity, for He loves not any ungrateful sinner.... O you who believe, fear Allah and give up what remains of your demand for usury/interest, if you are indeed believers. If you do it not, take notice of war from Allah and His messenger, but if you repent you shall have your capital sums; deal not unjustly, and you shall not be dealt with unjustly. And if the debtor is in difficulty, grant him time til it is easy for him to repay. But if you remit it by way of charity, that is best for you if you only knew. (Surah al Baqarah, verse 275-280 ).

- “ For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which
had been lawful for them; in that they hindered many from Allah's way. That they (Jews) took usury though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully; We have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.”(4: 160 - 161 )

Today, when the moneylenders "enslaved” our nations and civilisation, this unchangable Quranic regulation is fascinating.
It is known that lending money at interest is not just the cause of individual impoverishment but also the reason for the so called “budget deficit” and the “state debt”. As one insightful economists concluded
” according to most govemments the only ways to control the deficit are to raise taxes or to cut govemment spending. However, considering that the deficit continues to grow simply because of the exorbitant amounts of compound interest added to the original debt, one of the most effective ways to reduce the deficit would be to reduce interest rates.Lower interest rates = lower deficit.In fact, at zero interest, the debt would not grow at all, and the large amounts of money spent in servicing the debt could be used to pay it of “.
Is it true that money is "producer of good" (so that the lender must be awarded a fixed part of the possible extra wealth that lended money “produced”)?! No -this is a lie because banknotes ,in a reality, does not worth much more then the paper. Only labour –human physical and intellectual activity when it is applied to either capital and natural resources is beneficial.

Of course, we all know who is that pernicious lender who possesses all the money needed by individuals or governments and to whom we individually and our nations,generally owe the national debt.
We know this now-but our religions and Divine scriptures (example of the Holy Qur’an) elaborated this problem and warned us on the possible catastrophy long time ago.
I will conclude with the words of one insightful journalist who wrote about this issue:
“The truth is that when banks create money (as cheque-money or blips on computer screens) they lend what they have not got to reap where they did not sow. Their loans are not backed by any real wealth on their behalf. Nor do they lend out depositors' money (or when did the bank last tell you that you can't take out money from your account, because it has been lent to someone else?). When you give your house or business as guarantee for their money, this money is not backed by gold, silver or tangible wealth. It is an empty promise except for the fact that the govenment, with the central bank as lender of the last resort, is ready to bail out the banks should a run on their money occur.
Bank-created credit is based on the nation's capacity to produce and consume in the sense that whilst it is not issued nor backed by the government, the government - being the largest debtor - guarantees a certain return in debt service payments from its revenue. An increasing part of local and national government taxation today is raised for the purpose of servicing the interest payments on local and national govemment debt. So whether you personally borrow or not, you pay the interest on that fictitious rmoney. Likewise, when you take a bank loan, you pay at least twice: you give a guarantee of real wealth in case of default, and you pay a penalty (as interest) for accepting money as a loan which costs the lender nothing and did not exist until it was created as a loan to you.
.... only when we get back to a system where the usurer is not being rewarded for taking advantage of others' difficulties, we will achieve real prosperity.
Islam, often laughed at for sticking to its principles and not "moving with the times", has never given in to the demands of the money-lenders to change its tough stance on interest. Naturally, Islam has increasingly been attacked by the financial interests behind today's media and politics. Looking at the evidence with an open mind, however, it should not take you long to realise that Islam makes sense, and interest doesn't “.

12-20-2004, 11:21 AM
I figure the War on Islam.. is the war against a religion that forbids the NWO their source of power.. The ability to print money and make loans to governments that cannot live within their budget. The bankers appoint congressmen and senators who will keep on spending more money than is coming in.. That is their job, and to start wars creates the most debt and also the most death and suffering.. A double win for these Satanic bastards.

Every dollar that is loaned to the government is treated as if it is gold reserve, these bankers are able to print up 7 times the amount of the loan though fractional banking practices.. Thus if the interest rate is 5% on the loan.. The bankers get 35% interest..

The problem is that there is no gold, or anything to back these loans except the willingness of the Government to back these loans by force against the public in whom names the these debts are made.. Fiat money, because the government forces us to believe it has real worth.. When it is just paper based on debt.

I am convinced the main reason that the NWO is having a war against Islam is because of their resistance to usury. There will never be peace in this world until the gold standard is reinstated and fractional banking practices cease

12-20-2004, 01:58 PM
Great post, Sablefish. I couldn't say it any better.

12-20-2004, 03:38 PM
Islam, often laughed at for sticking to its principles and not "moving with the times", has never given in to the demands of the money-lenders to change its tough stance on interest. Naturally, Islam has increasingly been attacked by the financial interests behind today's media and politics. Looking at the evidence with an open mind, however, it should not take you long to realise that Islam makes sense, and interest doesn't .

Great post Institute and Sablefish.

Institute, I have to marvel myself that the Koran
has such a KEY prohibition, where if applied
the NWO would have a hell of a harder time
doing what they do.

Sablefish I have to agree, the NWO wants to
wipe out Islam in the long run or at least
get around this wall so they can
enslave the entire planet.

What better way to accomplish this than by
making Muslims fight against mainly Christian
countries and Israel?

12-22-2004, 01:54 AM
It is time to figure out that Muslims amd Christians must not fight for the sake of Cabbalists and their executors-Zionists

12-22-2004, 04:35 AM
sablefish wrote:
I figure the War on Islam.. is the war against a religion that forbids the NWO their source of power.. SNIP

I am convinced the main reason that the NWO is having a war against Islam is because of their resistance to usury. There will never be peace in this world until the gold standard is reinstated and fractional banking practices cease
Hi Sablefish -

I agree. Gold is also open to market manipulation and the historical record shows that those who cornered the gold markets became the founders of the paper/fiat money (receipt money) systems which has its current expression in the forms of Central Banks, the 2 main ones being the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve.

A book I would recommend anyone to read on this matter is "The Lost Science of Money" by Stephen Zarlenga (www.monetary.org). Zarlenga is in fact against gold as the basis of money and his arguments, backed up with comprehensive data, hold water. Gold is manipulable (as he shows) but much less so than Fiat money.

The History of Western Money systems is the history of rank ambition, greed and corruption, whether the money was gold, gold backed or not. But in my view, gold still offers humanity more protection against theft than does the fiat system we have to endure.

The main challenge is to create a De-Centralised money system, owned by all the people that use it ie PEOPLE'S MONEY. In the US Norfed (www.norfed.org) are taking this route, though growth is painfully slow at this time.

The Islamic rules on usury are accurate. The move towards the gold Islamic Dinar is good for all humanity in that it highlights that you can have more than 1 type of money. Most people do not know ANYTHING about the money system that so enslaves them. Only that they want more money.

I believe that a key activity for all those that support INDIVIDUALISM (as opposed to the NWO COLLECTIVIST slavestate) is the building up of trade between us using OUR money, PEOPLE'S MONEY. Using Gold as part of that process, whether in a transitional role or permanently, is an excellent place to start.

12-22-2004, 04:44 AM
Thanks for these historical precisions showing how the activity of making money from money instead of from real-economy was long considered as evil by many human societies.

I wouldn`t be surprised to learn one day that the catholic Church was corrupted in the 12th century (if I well remember) in order to give banking monopoly to the Jewish. The catholic Church presented then this monopoly as "infamous" to the Jews but can we imagine the so cunning catholic Church`s hierarchy being stupid enough not to see this monopoly would give a huge -even if hidden- political power to the Jewish banksters over the European nobiliarity? Hmm...

In my post http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=245&forum=18&post_id=1900 I am developing a little bit what you say about usury and the Greek civilization, as we learn from Aristoteles.

12-22-2004, 06:37 AM
A book I would recommend anyone to read on this matter is "The Lost Science of Money" by Stephen Zarlenga (www.monetary.org). Zarlenga is in fact against gold as the basis of money and his arguments, backed up with comprehensive data, hold water. Gold is manipulable (as he shows) but much less so than Fiat money.

Nemo what is your view on using Silver instead

of Gold ?

I ask because in old history, silver was

synonimous with money and in some languages this

is still evident, for example argent, money in

French is also the word silver.

12-22-2004, 07:02 AM
Hi Born_To_Die -

From one persepctive it does not matter whether it is gold or silver. And in fact there is nothing stopping anyone from using either/or as money.

Bi-metallism in one system, where you have both Silver and Gold, is ultimately confusing and clumsy. Setting fixed exchange values between the 2 always results in confusion and manipulation.

I tend to favour gold simply because it has more power in the minds of humanity than silver. In theory we can back a "commodity" money (such as gold) with any commodity - this has been done often with wheat, tobacco etc acting as the chosen medium of exchange. Gold has tended to prove itself the best "commodity" money historically.

It's possible to envision a host of money systems backed with all sorts of stuff, and in a free market environment the best form would win. I tend to think that gold has done just that, ie win, more than any other commodity.

But I wouldn't poo poo a Silver standard, even though its industrial uses appear to be where its greater value to humanity lies.

And just to add to that, please find below an up to the minute (Dec 20th 2004) article from GATA (Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee) regarding the potential re-monetizing of silver in Mexico.


11:42a ET Monday, December 20, 2004

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

GATA today distributed internationally by the
Business Wire service a press release about
efforts to remonetize silver in Mexico. The
release is appended. Please help us circulate it
around the Internet and to news organizations.

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

* * *

Mexico May Remonetize Silver, GATA Says

Press Release via Business Wire

Monday, December 20, 2004

DALLAS -- Mexico is close to remonetizing the
country's greatest natural resource, silver, the Gold
Anti-Trust Action Committee said today.

GATA distributed an essay from its correspondent
in Mexico City, Hugo Salinas Price, reporting that
legislation is pending before the Ways and Means
Committee of Mexico's House of Representatives
that would put an undenominated one-ounce
"Libertad" silver coin in general circulation along
with Mexico's current paper money.

While it is vehemently opposed by Mexico's central
bank, the Bank of Mexico, the legislation has the
support of 30 of Mexico's 31 state governors and
176 Mexican journalists and was almost unanimously
favored in a poll taken by TV Azteca, GATA said.

GATA said the silver coin legislation would give
Mexicans a choice of money by which they might
protect themselves against the devaluation of fiat
currencies; would stimulate employment in the
country's mining industry, the world's largest
producer of silver; and would help break the
suppression of the price of both silver and gold on
the U.S. commodities exchanges, which are
dominated by derivatives players more or less
backed by the U.S. government.

Salinas Price's essay can be found at the Internet
site for GATA dispatches here:


Salinas Price's own proposal for remonetizing
silver in Mexico can be found at his Internet site



12-22-2004, 07:12 AM
I tend to favour gold simply because it has more power in the minds of humanity than silver.

Sure the Illuminati brainwashed us to believe this

because they control the gold ... which metal

has the least power of being manipulated ?

Is silver as easy to corner as gold ?

In order words what did the creator intend

for mankind to use as money ? If nothing is

usable then we were doomed by the guy upstairs

to begin with no ?

12-22-2004, 08:07 AM
Hi Born_To_Die -

I do not subscribe to the view that the Illuminati brainwashed us on gold. Gold tends to have some inherent physical qualities which make it very good as a commodity money eg

It does not decay or rot
It is uniform ie 1oz in China is the same as 1 oz in the US
It is divisible ie 1/4 oz coins, 1/2 oz coins etc

They may well control the gold, but that level of control is nowhere near as advantageous to them as is the control of fiat/paper money. Gold has the great benefit that when you hold it, you are not holding a debt, unlike paper.

Silver is as easy to corner as gold. Any needed commodity no doubt has a history of cartels organising to manipulate it - current best example being oil.

Your question "What did the creator intend for makind to use as money?" is one I often ask. Maybe someone here could point to a section of the bible which advocates Gold? Though I'm pretty sure that the betrayal of Esau Immanuel was paid for with silver.

If nothing is useable then maybe the creator intended and intends us to get clear that we don't need to use money.

12-22-2004, 10:19 AM
nemo thanks for your response ... now why

can't we get these kinds of conversations

discussed on mainstream media, instead of the

mindless garbage they feed us for our daily

bread ?

12-22-2004, 01:58 PM
Hi Born_To_Die -

I agree. To my mind, this is THE topic worthy of debate.

Not once, in the entire history of UK TV or Radio Broadcasting, has there ever been a programme made about :

* The origins and history of the Bank Of England
* The Rothschilds and why they are encamped in the UK and why they (used to) set the daily gold price
* The "City Of London" and why it has the greatest number of secret societies to be found anywhere in the world and why the Queen can't enter it without approval from "The Lord Mayor Of The City"
* The true history of Cecil Rhodes, his Round Table fantasy and the twonks that worked with him
* Zionism being a satanic cult as established by the "Club of the Isles" inbred, dentally challenged tosspots out of London
* Why Income Tax is a diversionary tactic to make sure people do not find out about the other way (fiat, central bank created money issued out of thin air) that Govts create money
* The Bilderberegers
* Why Tony "Sanctimonious" Blair suddenly was propelled to prominence after his attendance at the 1992 Bildeberg shindig
* Why Henry Kissinger is the biggest mass murderer in human history and one of the greatest enemies the Jews have ever had
* Why the Rothschilds are the Vatican's bankers
* Where Money actually comes from
* Where Money actually comes from
* Where Money actually comes from

You get my drift.

We need to find independent TV production companies, make these programmes and distribuet via DVD at the least - and, of course, the DVD's can only be bought using PEOPLE'S MONEY. We will not accept FRN's etc.

12-22-2004, 02:19 PM

* Why Henry Kissinger is the biggest mass murderer in human history and one of the greatest enemies the Jews have ever had

How the hell did he get the nobel peace prize ?

and he was supposed to be in charge of

investigating 911 ?

12-22-2004, 02:40 PM

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." - Buckminster Fuller.

You mean like this:?

12-22-2004, 07:38 PM
If nothing is useable then maybe the creator intended and intends us to get clear that we don't need to use money.

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." - Buckminster Fuller.

I like the thought process.
What if you had to use your mind to get perks and not stumble and bumble through life attached to some fradulent monetary system.

Would Bill Gates be a multi billionaire able to
hold the world hostage on "security fixes" while
he fights the EU in court over
anti-(make up anything here) laws??
Or could we all have super freakin computers controlled by rat brains(saw a story recently)
If he was the leader of a group who's main accomplishments and goals were to perfect the computer.
Would you agree to let the man and his super computer creating companions have a little more luxury than lets say ..... The CEO of FORD. These computers would make driving 100x safer 100x more fuel effecient... even if we used hydrogen. Hell if we all worked together instead of eyeing eachother up as competitors we would have robots growing food for everyone on the planet earth.

I guess you could apply that formula to any occupation. The science of perfection. A group of like minded individuals working for a common goal to better mankind.

Money seems to hold us back , keep us at bay of any major breakthrough.(nwo plan?)
Schooling would have to be retooled to get rid of useless studies.

... I know there is more to this story but my head hurts ,...... see ya

12-22-2004, 08:37 PM
Good idea Thor, but your not accounting for the human condition in your calculations. That's why it'll never work even if it started out good. :-P

12-22-2004, 08:52 PM
The Money System

We have been decieved in many areas. As you study this information you will soon learn that many of the things you always assumed to be true were in fact a lie. Do you want to live a lie? One such lie is how the money system actually works.

The control of money is the other subject one needs to grasp so as come to a complete understanding of how real this conspiracy to create a one world totalitarian socialist government actually is, for without the international financiers creating, regulating and manipulating the money supply they would have no power.

Everything you see discussed and taught by economists, universities and other experts with regards to the monetary system is only related to the effects. The causes or where money actually comes from is practically never discussed.

If you live in the United States you have the Federal Reserve Banking System. Did you realise that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation? Well it is. The Federal Reserve Bank is not federal, it is not a reserve, and it is not a bank. This name has been used to fool you. The Federal Reserve is private and has a reserve of nothing! Australia has the Reserve Bank of Australia which regulates the money supply. The Reserve Bank of Australia has no reserves and is not a bank either. It is amazing what a name can do. The Reserve Bank of Australia is owned and operated by the government but the process and results are identical to the United States system.

The Federal Reserve loans out what is called 'fiat' money. Fiat money is money with no intrinsic value. It is worthless.

Money can be classed into three categories. First is commodity money which is money which has intrinsic value in itself such as a gold or a silver coin. Commodity money has been used through most of world history and has been very successful.

Second, there is promisary money which is a promise to pay in commodity money. An example of promisary money would be a note which is backed by gold or silver reserves in a bank. The note is a promise to pay in commodity money. It therefore represents something of real value. The promise is backed by a commodity.

The third kind of money is called fiat money. Fiat money is money which is backed by NOTHING. Fiat money is created out of thin air and the only reason people accept it is because of faith. Fiat money is the money we have all over the world today. Another important thing is that in ALL of recorded history fiat money has ALWAYS collapsed and there is not one single exception! Why? Fiat money can be manipulated very easily by those who are involved in its creaton.

Today we trade copper clad tokens, pieces of paper and computer entries with one another. The value of money is all in people's heads (faith). People have been brainwashed through education and media to never question the monetary system. Do you now see how controlling the information you recieve controls what you think?

The Federal Reserve for example buys notes from the United States Treasury at printing cost and then loans them to the United States government. In exhange the government gives the Federal Reserve a government bond which is really a fancy name for an I.O.U. Often the Federal Reserve does not even have money printed, the money is simply just created in a computer and is checkbook money. This money has no real value at all.

Furthermore the Federal Reserve then uses the government bonds it recieved from the U.S. government as an asset (they count it as a reserve) and is thus able to loan to the commercial sector as well. The loans are backed by the government promise to pay the Federal Reserve. Remember all this money has been created out of thin air and is thus backed by nothing and furthermore it is created as a DEBT!

The United States used to be on the gold standard, then it went to the silver standard and presently it exists on the paper standard. Total debasement. Do you see something wrong here? I hope so.

Every single dollar in circulation represents a debt because it was first loaned into circulation. All money is originally created out of nothing and then loaned. This is a fact! Debt fiat currency is much worse than a non-debt fiat currency simply because the debt currency enslaves that nation. The people are the guarantors if you will. Australia created fiat money through the Commonwealth Bank (people's bank) to fund its World War One effort. Yet this money was not a debt to a foreign bank or financier. This currency was backed by the good faith of the Australian people. The Australian people owed themselves. The United States also used this system with the Colonial Scrip and it worked very well. The money was limited by the demand and supply of the goods and services in the system. The currency would remain stable and national debt did not exist. Basically the economy served the people, the people did not serve the economy.

It is not like this anymore unfortunately in Australia or the United States. Since the deregulation of the Australian banking industry Australia's money is created primarily through private interests. It is also important to note that the Australian debt can never be repaid and currently Australia needs to keep on borrowing just to service the debt interest which further enslaves the nation.

Now understand this, all the money in circulaton is debt currency and thus every single day every single dollar in circulation is earning compounded interest. Very few people understand this and the vast majority of people simply do not want to hear it. The result of this is that the national debt can NEVER be repaid for if the debt was to be repaid as best as possible there WOULD BE NO MONEY IN CIRCULATION, and the second reason that the debt can never be repaid is because the 'interest' on the debt was never created in the first place, it doesn't exist. This interest comes out of things of REAL VALUE. This is the situation of every single nation on the planet today except for four. When politicians talk about the national debt being in control they are lying to you. They use phrases like 'monetising the debt' which you don't understand but sound good. Monetising the debt is simply the process of the government borrowing more money so as to keep up with the interest repayments on the debt. All this just digs a deeper hole which is even more disasterous in the long run.

Now stop and think for a moment. The money you use are pieces of paper or computer entries which came into existence because it was borrowed. Now this money in itself has no real commodity value of its own yet interest is collected for its use. In essence what has happened is a third party (the International Financiers) has been brought into every transaction made and this third party collects a part of that transaction simply because we are using their currency. In a fuedalistic society this is called a tribute. The international financiers loan us their money AT NO COST TO THEMSELVES (they created it), they then expect the money to be paid back with the addition of interest. I hope you can now basically understand the core issue I am describing here. That issue is fraud.

If you take the time to study this system in depth you will realise how practically all the wars throughout banking history have been used to create government debt, and this is an entire subject on its own which I will not delve into here. Suffice to say that practically all conflict in recent history has been intentionally manipulated to bring more power and influence to the global elite. These people have a lot of blood on their hands indeed.

An example of the deciet of government debt at a more local level is as follows. In the State of Victoria of Australia the Kennet government apparently made more money than it spent (a surplus), they created jobs and did many other supposedly wonderful things. People believed they had a good government that was balancing the books quite well. What these people did not know (because no-one will tell them, neither the education system nor the corporate media except maybe as some small article in the back of some newspaper) was that the Kennet government 'borrowed' money to bring these results. All that has actually happened is the people of Victoria have become further enslaved to the current economic system and they know it not. Borrowing money brings a temporary solution and ensures that the end result will be more devastating. The Victorian people will find this out eventually yet they will not understand the real reasons for what is happening. The starving masses of people in Africa are due to this very process yet the ignorant people (sheople) of the world do not have a clue.

Now when a monetary system self destructs the goods and services are not destroyed. The goods and services are merely transferred to those who are informed. The coming world economic collapse will achieve two primary objectives. First it will destroy the middleclass and second it will transfer the wealth lost to those who are bringing about the collapse. The destruction of the middle class is essential for the establishment of a socialist system. Socialism has only two classes, the rich (in control) and the poor(slaves).

The events which have been occuring in Asia and Russia are only the beginning of the global collapse. Russia did not want to go into further foreign debt and turned on the printing presses which insured hyper-inflation and the total collapse of the Rouble. This collapse is spreading due to the fact that nations of the world over the past twenty years have become 'interdependent' on each other. The collapse is intentional and is not a result of the so called 'business cycle.' Those who have awakened and converted a fair proportion of their paper assets into tangible assets such gold and silver coins (and food as you cannot eat gold and silver!!!) will be in a much better situation than those who will be caught totally by surprise. If you are in any form of debt right now I would advise you to GET OUT even if it means selling your house to pay off the mortgage! Those in debt are slaves as they have to secede to the dictates of the lender. The lure of easy credit in the present system has encouraged people to get into some form of debt.

Here is another fact you probably did not know. Banks are LEGALLY able to loan out more than they have in reserve (fiat reserves in reality). This process is called 'Fractional Reserve Banking.' Sounds nice huh? Basically a percentile limit is put on the bank and it works like this. If a bank has a percentile fractional reserve banking limit of 10 percent it is able to loan out 90% of any deposit. Legally they have to hold 10% in reserve. The problem though is that each time the bank loans 90% it does not loan cash. Tha bank merely puts the 90% into someone's account and then COUNTS THIS AS ANOTHER ASSET (a reserve)! They then loan 90% of the 90% they just loaned to someone else and so on and on. Banks can legally loan what they do not have. If the person does happen withdraw the money it usually ends up in another bank and the process just occurs from there. I hope you see something wrong with this. I also hope you take the time to look this up as you will see it is true.

Fractional Reserve Banking has its origins in medievil Europe with the gold and silver merchants. People would deposit their gold and silver coins for safekeeping with these merchants for a small fee. The merchants soon became aware that many people were trading in the reciepts (promisary money) which they issued to depositors. The merchants soon began to write out extra receipts and loan them at interest to people. This in turn caused inflation as the purchasing power of people's receipts was lessoned. When many people awakened and demanded their gold and silver coins the merchants were not able to cover their liabilities and thus went out of business. Today we have the same system but the money elite are protected by the political elite.

If you are an American the taxes you pay to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) which you think are going to the government are not really going there at all. You have been decieved again. The IRS is 'also' a private corporation. If you read your tax receipts you will note it says, "Pay OBLIG to FRB." What this means is you pay the United States obligation to the Federal Reserve Bank. This money is in reality being sucked out of circulation to prevent the rampant inflation that would occur because of the constant creation of money out of thin air.

The whole system is a massive scam! It is contract fraud. It is the theft of your wealth through deception. Step by step the International Financiers and those who represent them gain ownership of real assets as collateral for the debt interest. Now these assets are not 'directly' aquired by the Federal Reserve but the wealth is aquired through the continual process of inflation which is merely the result of the flooding of the economy with fiat money. Inflation is in fact a hidden tax.

This system ensures that the wealth is slowly transferred from the middle class to the upper class. How? Now pay close attention. When the government finds itself with a budget deficit (which is basically always the case) it needs more money to cover costs. The government then 'borrows' this money from the central bank. This money is created out of nothing and thus the extra money in the economy leads to inflation because the supply of money exceeds the available goods and services. The thing to pay attention to though is that when the money first enters the economy the economy does not react immediately by rising the prices of goods and services, there is a delay as the people do not yet realise that there is more money in the system. So because of this the government is able to spend this new money by paying the old prices. Those closest to the beauracracy do very well. By the time the money filters down to everyone else the public has reacted to the inflated economy and thus the public has to pay more for everything. It is a very subtle way to transfer wealth and it is working very well for the elite.

When a person makes something and sells it, it increases the value of the money in supply because the goods and/or services increases. When fiat money enters the system that person loses a little bit of their wealth. I hope all this is starting to become a clear to you as a basic understanding of these processes is important to grasp in order to gain a more accurate perspective on reality.

It is an incredible scenario indeed but it is also true. When you try to explain this to people you will find, as I have, that very few will listen.

The International Financiers and the politicians continue these processes and the nation involved gets deeper and deeper into debt, and there is NO way out of it because the interest was never created. The interest comes out of YOU! Then when a nation gets in trouble, and Indonesia is a good example of this, along comes the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to LOAN more money so that the the nation in question can keep up with the interest repayments. Remember a 'tribute' would be a more accurate term than 'interest' because nothing of value was actually loaned. It is all psychological.

A quick point with regards to Indonesia is that Australia recently loaned 3 billion dollars to Indonesia. This 3 billion is debt money created out of nothing. Australia owes it! We borrow to loan and because of the economic situation there is no way that Indonesia can ever pay it back. Yet the Australian people are so ignorant, dumbed down and apathetic they just smile and fall for the deception. This loan put Australia deeper in debt! Figure that one out.

The different national economies are like ships in the sea. All these ships are sinking but some are going down faster than others. While this is happening we also see sinking ships who are trying to bail out other sinking ships so as to prolong the inevitable.

These International Financiers are the greatest and most successful criminals ever to walk the earth and the politicians who are aware of this system and do not do anything about it (because they are more worried about their paychecks and career) have sold their nations out. They are traitors! Hard words but this is reality folks.

Compare a 100 dollar note to a 50 dollar note and ask yourself why the 100 dollar note is worth more? Also why is the 100 dollar note worth anything? Is it because people believe it is worth something? Think about it.

Now there is much much more to learn than this and I suggest you check into some of the references at the end of this article so you can become informed. A study of monetary history is also recommended so as to understand how we got to where we are in the present.

Learn about the economic treaties which fall under the Global Agreement on Trade and Tariffs (GATT) such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC), and the European Union (EU). These have primarily been designed to lower the standard of living in the developed nations via a transfer of wealth (this is exactly what has been happening and you think it is all an accident?). With these treaties governments remove tariffs and trade protections thus forcing small business to compete on equal terms with transnational corporations. They have a nice word for this also, they call it 'economic rationalism.' There is nothing rational about it unless you want to transfer industry to large corporations and lower the standard of living in developed nations.

Economic rationalism is based on a free market working in laissez-faire (free enterprise) society. Free market economics worked when all business was small and contained within national borders. When corporations arose in the mid to late 1800's and soon became recognised as a 'corporate personality,' corporations gained the ability to control the market price of a commodity. This violated the rules and conditions of genuine free market economics.

A corporation is able to sustain a loss in an area to drive out competitors but can remain viable because of profits made in another area. The mixed economy was introduced by governments to combat this and it worked very well. Australia, for example, thrived on the mixed economy system whereby the goverment introduced both controls on big business (which were to prevent an oligopoly forming) and introduced tariffs, subsidies and exemptions in order to help small to medium sized business.

Economic rationalism totally ignores these factors and has thus insured the scenario which has developed in the world today. The name 'economic rationalism' is in itself a clever use of words which do not mean what people think they do and thus is another example of mind control.

Now to further understand how this both ensures the destruction of small business, high living standards and the enviroment it is important to note that a transnational corporation with a factory situated in Asia does not have the same health and safety regulations or the same expenses in wages or enviromental regulations to submit to let's say as a small business who produces the same goods located in Australia. Transnational corporations can pack up and move shop whenever required while a small business cannot do this. Transnational corporations also have the ablitiy to control the market price and thus are able to destroy small business. What we have is big business and government working hand in hand. This is defined as CORPORATE FASCISM folks, even though the government will not tell you this definition. It happened in Germany with Hitler and now it is happening again except it is on a much larger scale, a world wide scale.

Our so called representatives sell us these economic treaties by claiming they will offer increased competition and thus a better product with a cheaper price. Has this actually happened? NO it has not, we have been lied to! Small business is in trouble, unemployment grows and an oligarchy has been created. But the average person continues to buy into these lies and the same people believe that all this is happening by accident. Sit back, THINK, and look at what has happened and is happening and can you really believe that all these things which result in the International Financiers and the owners of transnational corporations obtaining more political power and wealth really be an accident?

Privatisation is also another one of those nice sounding concepts which the people are buying into. Under privatisation a nation sells off its publically owned assets and services. The result is that the control of these assets and services ends up in the hands of internationalists. This is happening right now in Australia and Australian's are soon going to wake up and find that they are tenants in their own country.

What we are witnessing is the greatest transfer of wealth to have ever been undertaken in the history of the world. The wealth is not being transferred amongst the common people but into the hands of the elite.

Now with regards to the political leaders who are meant to represent the people who live in their nations (democratic nations), look up the word TREASON in the dictionary and read what it says.


12-22-2004, 08:55 PM
Hey nohopeJoe!!!!

That's probably why my head started to hurt

ah ha ... well at least I can watch the simpsons
for awhile .... until all hell breaks loose
I hope there is a heaven and all good hearted people are there and all these satanic fools are on hell's reality TV channel where we can watch Osama raping bush... well maybe not that harsh ... or maybe harsher!!!!

Honestly , I am not all religious I am pretty sure I know right from wrong.
The greatest trick the devil every played was having people think he never existed??

Can't these NWO types see through the lies and deception??
They label conspiracy theorists a little off the wall!! When you sell your soul to the devil for an illusion of power over people .. I think you've hit rock bottom driven insane by an absolute power that corrupts absolutely.
Generations of manchurian candidates brainwashed by greed and corruption a k a The Bush family .....Now that's crazy

12-22-2004, 09:21 PM
Hi Nemo.. "Fiat money is created out of thin air and the only reason people accept it is because of faith."... They except it because of the force of government.. not faith.

Fiat money is worth what the government says it is or else..

12-22-2004, 09:32 PM
Hey Thor, you should watch South Park and Mad TV instead. It's funnier. :-P

12-23-2004, 03:16 AM
sablefish wrote:
Hi Nemo.. "Fiat money is created out of thin air and the only reason people accept it is because of faith."... They except it because of the force of government.. not faith.

Fiat money is worth what the government says it is or else..
Hi sablefish -

I didn't say that, 55132 did. 55132 did a great job of going through the whole process of monetary deception. But I agree with you that it is "Force", coercive force at that, which ensures that we are maintained in a condition of unconscious, financial enslavement.

The Federal Reserve (it's about as Federal as Federal Express) has never been audited. And it never will be. The 2 headed dragon that is Govt and the Fed like to keep it that way. Their cosy and duplicitous relationship is to their mutual benefit.

The primary benefit to Govt is that through the Fed, they have a second and most importantly "hidden" income stream. The Fed's creation of money out of thin air (to buy Govt promissory notes - Treasury notes etc) means that Govts can fund their pet projects without having to keep going to the tax payer for the dough. The taxpayers pay of course through inflation, a hidden tax and the most insidious one of them all.

As for people not wanting to know about this . . .

I'm not naive enough to the think that huge numbers of people will rapidly wake up to their own financial enslavement. But, the numbers are growing and, more importantly, the rate of growth is increasing. This discussion and the many more taking place around the net are evidence of this. However, a massive psychological hurdle to overcome in spreading understanding is that most people actively choose to live in denial of this truth.

In 1973 in Sweden a bank robbery took place that went wrong. A lengthy siege ensued during which the 4 hostages, held in a bank vault for 6 days, became attached to their captors, a phenomenon dubbed the Stockholm Syndrome. According to psychologists, the abused bond to their abusers as a means to endure VIOLENCE. "Stockholm syndrome" explained more fully thus:

The Stockholm Syndrome is an emotional attachment, a bond of interdependence between captive and captor that develops 'when someone threatens your life, deliberates, and doesn't kill you.' (Symonds, 1980) The relief resulting from the removal of the threat of death generates intense feelings of gratitude and fear which combine to make the captive reluctant to display negative feelings toward the captor or terrorist. In fact, former hostages have visited their captors in jail, recommended defense counsel, and even started a defense fund. It is this dynamic which causes former hostages and abuse survivors to minimize the damage done to them and refuse to cooperate in prosecuting their tormentors.

When it comes to money and the Fed, 99% of humanity is undergoing Stockholm Syndrome. Having become fixated and addicted to this controlling and dehumanising money system, people find it more comforting to repel truth and embrace the lie and their own slavery to boot.

In truth, most people don't even know that they "don't know". They believe, unconsciously, without even examining their own beliefs, that the only thing wrong with money is that they don't have enough of it. They seek to acquire more Federal Reserve Notes, not realising that these Notes are the very instrument that keeps them enslaved.

This is what has to be overcome for us to build a Money System backed by the People as opposed to the one we endure, which SUCS (Systematic Usury Control System) controlled and backed by vermin. Clever vermin I'll grant you, but vermin none the less.

One aspect of PEOPLE'S MONEY is that it will be actively involved in Money Laundering. One of its key aims will be to launder FRN's into PEOPLE'S MONEY. In other words, FRN's are corrupted money and PEOPLE would be pro-actively involved in tidying up their money system by laundering FRN's into PEOPLE'S MONEY.

I believe that the most practical, inspiring and transformational work we can do, is to design and build and use a PEOPLE'S MONEY SYSTEM. All individuals involved in the field of NWO research, book publishing, media etc should then use this money system as a literal demonstration of our will to have it OUR way, not THEIR way.

We can NEVER be free of the influence of the psychologically deranged personalities that head up the Illuminati and NWO if we continue to use THEIR money. We must build a system that just leaves theirs in the dust. And we shall do this. It has been ordered and is on its way.

12-23-2004, 06:35 AM
Institute wrote:
It is time to figure out that Muslims amd Christians must not fight for the sake of Cabbalists and their executors-Zionists

Then we all agree that PEACE is the answer ?

We must therefore " Love our enemies as we

love ourselves " ?

The first person who said that was crucified !