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truebeliever
09-10-2006, 10:10 PM
Dear ADMIN,

Try as I may I cannot find this post from some time ago...in the "Oceana" forum.

Has it been officially deleted?:-)

It aint there and seeing as I posted nothing terribly outlandish I was wondering if you can explain the case of the missing post?

Best.

Tor
09-11-2006, 06:52 AM
Perhaps it was removed for good reason. I'll see if I can't help you find it.

09-11-2006, 08:11 AM
I looked for it too, it kept giving me the prompt that I dont have permission to that page,
not sure if it would help but heres a site that might have a link?
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=668060&sid=45b2d8c9f1dc046ec1c18ce1ee7cafcc
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/index.php?sid=d69730f6efd6f0f8e53ae9244d7d7333
I've heard of them and they are an interresting design.

09-11-2006, 08:26 AM
two more on the subject.
http://www.oengine.net/
http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/patents/ex_orbit.shtml

truebeliever
09-11-2006, 11:33 PM
Perhaps it was removed for good reason. I'll see if I can't help you find it.

Please do. :-)

I looked for it too, it kept giving me the prompt that I dont have permission to that page,
not sure if it would help but heres a site that might have a link?
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=668060&sid=45b2d8c9f1dc046ec1c18ce1ee7cafcc
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/index.php?sid=d69730f6efd6f0f8e53ae9244d7d7333
I've heard of them and they are an interresting design.

Thanks for the links TLT. Good to see you.

That post has DEFINATELY dissapeared. I am more than willing to be corrected and increase my anti-paranoia meds but i cant see it happening.

Just for the record...

A mate of mine (Robert Parrin) got an apprentiship with Ralph Sarich (orbital engine and fuel injection system inventor) in 1986. He kept me posted for years on what was happening especially when I was working night club security during the early 90's.

Ford asked Sarich to drop the "Wankel" type rotary design as they claimed it would require to much retooling of the factories. He then produced a fairly basic two stroke motor with only 2/3rds the moving parts and a revoloutionary fuel injection system.

This 1.8 litre motor put out around 80kw of power and could take you over 1000km's on a 70 litre tank of fuel...travelling at 110-130km/h.

Fuel savings were around %30-%50 depending on driving conditions.

People must understand...this was NO pie in the sky. It was a happening product underwritten by Ford.

In the end Sarich gave up trying to make the engine locally and sold his engine and patents to Ford outright for 190 million dollars. Sarich now SPECULATES on property and suggests no one bother to get an invention going. Just design and patent it and then sell it to the big boys. He was absoloutly sold out by everbody and was bitter as hell for a long time.

After all is said and done we heard that the motor would be in outboard motors, motorbikes and fuel efficient cars...we heard about this constantly for five years back in the early 90's and then...NOTHING.

Ford have the engine and the patents locked up in their U.K subsidery.

09-12-2006, 12:32 AM
truebeliever wrote:
That post has DEFINATELY dissapeared.

Yep. wiped. (http://www.google.com/search?q=site:clubconspiracy.com+Orbital+Engine&hl=en&hs=85K&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0)

They
09-12-2006, 07:04 AM
truebeliever wrote:

This 1.8 litre motor put out around 80kw of power and could take you over 1000km's on a 70 litre tank of fuel...travelling at 110-130km/h.

Fuel savings were around %30-%50 depending on driving conditions.

People must understand...this was NO pie in the sky. It was a happening product underwritten by Ford.

In the end Sarich gave up trying to make the engine locally and sold his engine and patents to Ford outright for 190 million dollars. Sarich now SPECULATES on property and suggests no one bother to get an invention going. Just design and patent it and then sell it to the big boys. He was absoloutly sold out by everbody and was bitter as hell for a long time.

After all is said and done we heard that the motor would be in outboard motors, motorbikes and fuel efficient cars...we heard about this constantly for five years back in the early 90's and then...NOTHING.

Ford have the engine and the patents locked up in their U.K subsidery.

What will be interesting is what happens to this motor today. In the late 80s and early 90s with gas prices low (even in the late 90s, I was buying gas for $0.75 per gallon in the Washington, D.C. area), there was simply no market for a 60 horsepower moter that could go 59 mph. The market wanted big motors and big cars, not fuel efficient ones.

The motor may have been seen as a threat to Ford, but I doubt it. At that time, there was not a market for it.

Where the rubber will meet the road is if Ford or someone doesn't bring out something like that now. If your numbers are true, it is much better than a hybrid and likely to be much less expensive. Ford or anyone would have an incentive now to bring it out. It could be the company's salvation.

Several years ago, I worked for a company that had been a large conglomerate involved in oil and gas, mining, etc. The company had reconstituted itself as a pure play in E&P but had a legacy in R&D in all sectors. My job was literally to troll the warehouse and look for commercial applications for anything in the shelves.

There was literally a ton of good ideas. The reasons they were on the shelf were myriad, but none that I could find were particularly diabolical. Sure some of them were there because they could have cannibalized an existing business, but that was more management or bureaucratic politics than anything sinister. Most were not economical at the time, including one that we were able to spin into a JV with a battery player who had a complimentary technology and now the JV is the leader in large battery systems, including for hybrids.

I am not saying that there are not inventions that have been shelved because they could kill a powerful business interest. I believe there are. I just think the jury is out on the one you mention. For now.

09-12-2006, 08:18 AM
The fact is that these vehicle manufactures and oil companies work in cahouts, they each own the others stock , its just not on the books.

09-12-2006, 08:53 AM
Although this isn't on orbital engines, it is an excellent site for technology.
http://www.keelynet.com/indexfeb206.htm
:-D

09-12-2006, 10:34 AM
Nikola Tesla's 'Black Magic' Touring Car
8-)
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=1062

PS, watch when you ad a smiley, for some reason they erase the links in the post. why?

truebeliever
09-12-2006, 10:45 PM
...there was simply no market for a 60 horsepower moter that could go 59 mph. The market wanted big motors and big cars, not fuel efficient ones.

But that is only America with regards no market for fuel efficient cars. Oz, U.k and Europe pay premuim prices for fuel. Hearing Americans complain about $2-$3 a gallon is funny when Australians pay $5. Europe and U.K more.

The motor btw was at around 80kw (110 hp) and a top speed of 200km/h.

The motor may have been seen as a threat to Ford, but I doubt it. At that time, there was not a market for it.

The motor was a threat period. It was earmarked for release ACCROSS the BOARD...motor cycle engines, outboard motors for boats etc...it was a going concern ALL OVER the Australian press. Within 3 years of buying out Sarich the "Orbital Engine" simply dissapeared off the front pages and that was that. Australians then went back to what they know best...drinking beer and watching the footy. I believe America has the same problem. :-)

Where the rubber will meet the road is if Ford or someone doesn't bring out something like that now. If your numbers are true, it is much better than a hybrid and likely to be much less expensive. Ford or anyone would have an incentive now to bring it out. It could be the company's salvation.

You would think that would'nt you?

It seems pretty plain there is going to be an exponential jump STRAIGHT to hydrogen. It's pretty much a given and Wall Street speak about it openly.

The hydrogen will come from natural gas. Perhaps some "token" solar panel made hydrogen from water. Possibly also from nuclear power.

Germany, France and others have "hot fusion" planned for less than ten years from now. Again, the scientists are talking matter of fact about this. Even China is charging ahead in this direction. From hot fusion we will get hydrogen from water.

Several years ago, I worked for a company that had been a large conglomerate involved in oil and gas, mining, etc. The company had reconstituted itself as a pure play in E&P but had a legacy in R&D in all sectors. My job was literally to troll the warehouse and look for commercial applications for anything in the shelves.

Would like to hear more about this.:-)

Sure some of them were there because they could have cannibalized an existing business, but that was more management or bureaucratic politics than anything sinister.

True, it aint all Hollywood assassination plots. Business is business baby and the inseperable car companies and oil interests are not going to have their business interfered with by independant inventors. Just look at how Ford bought up ALL the U.S public transport system and then got the Yank taxpayers to pay for the roads to drive his new toy on.

I believe there are. I just think the jury is out on the one you mention. For now.

No. Sarich and the Orbital Engine were killed by a conspiracy involving State and Federal Government and even the Union Movement! He was harrassed and double crossed from day one. Sarich is BELOVED by his former emplyees...he is a genuine "good guy" who wanted to do more than make money but also bring investment and jobs to his fellow West Australians.

He was a TRUE capitalist. Just like Westinghouse and Tesla were a threat to the socialist conglomerate's controlled by J.P Morgan we see a independant player taken up and spat out.

Now he mindlessly speculates on property and makes a fortune as a middle man...a true economic stimulus goes begging for the interests of a few powerful people.

Whats new?:-)

truebeliever
09-12-2006, 10:49 PM
Yep. wiped.

Yes. I found the link in there and when you click on it it says I dont have permission to view it.

Do we have a conspiracy on our hands?:-)

Dear ADMIN,

Any info on this please?

They
09-13-2006, 06:05 AM
truebeliever wrote:
But that is only America with regards no market for fuel efficient cars. Oz, U.k and Europe pay premuim prices for fuel. Hearing Americans complain about $2-$3 a gallon is funny when Australians pay $5. Europe and U.K more.

The motor btw was at around 80kw (110 hp) and a top speed of 200km/h.

Sorry, did the math wrong in my head, but I still stand by my possible alternative conclusion. By far, the biggest seller during those years were big trucks, suvs and V-8 sports cars--in both US and Asian markets

It seems pretty plain there is going to be an exponential jump STRAIGHT to hydrogen. It's pretty much a given and Wall Street speak about it openly.

The hydrogen will come from natural gas. Perhaps some "token" solar panel made hydrogen from water. Possibly also from nuclear power.

Hydrogen is the big buzzword, but I am skeptical of us moving there anytime soon, except at the margin. You are correct that it will likely come from NG, since that is the cheapest place to get it. Other sources simply can not compete on cost. Oil company conspiracy? I don't know. It would save a lot on infrastructure. Interestingly gas is a better source for other alternative fuels, as is coal, but everyone is running to use corn. Another conspiracy? Or, just an entrenched interest group in the farmers?

truebeliever
09-13-2006, 09:12 PM
Hydrogen is the big buzzword, but I am skeptical of us moving there anytime soon, except at the margin.

It's pretty much a given in the industry planned for specifically over the next 20 years. Of course alot WILL be happening before then. :-)

Interestingly gas is a better source for other alternative fuels, as is coal, but everyone is running to use corn. Another conspiracy? Or, just an entrenched interest group in the farmers?

A definate conspiracy. Using corn and sugar cane (ethanol) is a simple way of using up surplus farm production. It's a gift to HUGE multinationals like ADM. I guess if they grow it they may as well use it but it's an awfully inefficient way to gather energy.

09-13-2006, 09:57 PM
This is the most persistent "Disappearing Post" I have every seen!!

truebeliever
09-13-2006, 10:17 PM
This is the most persistent "Disappearing Post" I have every seen!!

Just reminding ADMIN and reposting it in a round about way.

09-14-2006, 04:18 AM
Would it be possible to piece the post back together TB? It would be interesting to see if it pulled the disappearing act again. Did it contain any media (images, videos, links) or was it pure text?

09-14-2006, 12:12 PM
it had a picture of a man pulling his anus open you jew

truebeliever
09-14-2006, 08:36 PM
Would it be possible to piece the post back together TB? It would be interesting to see if it pulled the disappearing act again. Did it contain any media (images, videos, links) or was it pure text?

It was mostly words.

I'll repost WITH PICTURES another time. Mainly when i have my own computer and not paying $5 an hour at the local cafe. :-)

09-19-2006, 03:01 PM
Anonymous wrote:
it had a picture of a man pulling his anus open you jew
This message and "many" others have been reported to the site administrators. You are clearly a disturbed individual and my patience with your ongoing repetitive and perverse banter is beginning to run very low.

Your logins are counting down. Seek help. Shalom.

-Spectre (Christian)

FnDvsBS
09-25-2006, 06:40 PM
interresting.
http://www.quasiturbine.com/