03-17-2005, 02:05 AM
Is this an issue North Americans are aware of or do they believe the official story? I keep trying to find other articles I've read several years ago, when the accident/murder actually took place, but it seems some of them are not up on the Net anymore...;-)

<a href="http://www.beverlyunderground.com/rabbithole.htm">The JFK Jr. Assassination Conspiracy</a>

"Accident Or Murder?"

Everyone remembers the shocking news of the death of JFK Jr. back in 1999. John F. Kennedy’s airplane was a single engine Piper Saratoga II, FAA registration number N9253N.

According to the official account, the Piper was on route to Martha’s Vineyard, a small East Coast Island located in the Cape Cod area of Massachusetts, when it went out of control in mid air and spiraled down into the ocean.

All onboard were killed including his wife Carolyn and her sister Lauren Bessette.

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Before we look into the possibility that this may not have been an accident, let us first examine the political background of JFK Jr. and who would have benefited if he would have died at that particular time.

1999 preceded the infamous November 2000 elections that got George W. Bush into office. During the summer of 1999, the choice of candidates was not clear. The Bushs were eyeing the presidency for George W. His father, President G.H.W. Bush learned one painful lesson when he lost his 1992 reelection to Clinton: the appearance of a second candidate (an independent, conservative named Ross Perot) can prove disastrous.

Any independent candidate would always be a ‘red flag’ for a future Bush bid on the presidency as planned for 2000. While he never announced it, there were rumors that JFK Jr. was going to run for president as an Independent in 2000. His heritage, celebrity status, and charisma would have been a force to be reckoned with for any future candidate. Looking at the close election results, it is safe to assume that Bush would have NOT won the 2000 election if JFK Jr. would have made a bid for the White House.

However, there is another reason why JFK Jr, just like JFK Sr., was an absolute “no-no” for the powers that be. Direct your attention to an interview with John F. Kennedy Jr. with the magazine "George", Oct. 98, Vol. 3 Issue 10, p.136. Please read this short interview very, very carefully:


It becomes clear in this interview that JFK Jr. is fully aware of the New World Order, the Illuminati, and, like his father, even vows to abolish the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 which effectively shifted control of the American Financial System to a private corporation called the “Federal Reserve” set up and controlled by none other than a group of banks, most of which are owned by the Rothschilds.

He even mentions the Freemasons and refers to the people that truly select the US President as the “money lords”.

After reading this interview it becomes abundantly clear that a guy like JFK Jr., given his heritage, charisma, and American “royalty” status COULD NOT BE ALLOWED to run for public office of any kind, at any time. He was a threat that needed to be neutralized.

Neutrilized is exactly what happened to him.

Lets take a look at the evidence surrounding the crash of JFK Jr.'s airplane:

(The following was written by John A. Quinn)

One of the PRIMARY indications the plane's destruction and the passengers' deaths were NOT the result of some "accident" is a radio contact made by pilot JFK Jr. to the Martha's Vineyard Airport flight control tower at 9:39 PM, July 16, 1999.

The timing and content of this radio contact, as well as the tone of Kennedy's conversation, invalidate to an overwhelming extent the prevailing, "officially-sanctioned" accounts of the event promulgated by the federal government through mass media outlets.


Now let's go over this "official" "account". Federal government agencies such as the NTSB and the FAA put forth (at least publicly) the following scenario regarding the last 10 minutes or so of the flight.

According to them, radar records show Kennedy was changing altitude and direction somewhat erratically and rapidly in the minutes preceding the craft's destruction.

The implication here is that these radar records clearly indicate Kennedy's much-ballyhooed "inexperience" as a pilot combined with highly "unfavorable" weather/visibility conditions had resulted in Kennedy being in marginal control of the aircraft for some minutes before the plane was destroyed; that he eventually completely lost control and the aircraft plunged headlong into the sea in a "death spiral".

And at what time, according to these official accounts, did radar returns show the plane was destroyed? Try just after NINE THIRTY-NINE PM.


A NewsHawk associate has now obtained solid evidence that JFK Jr. DID in fact make radio contact with flight controllers at NINE THIRTY-NINE PM July 16.

What's even more important however, is that our associate also obtained IRREFUTABLE proof that the reported fact of this radio contact was deliberately removed from archived tape transcripts of WCVB-TV Channel 5's broadcast of July 17, 1999, during which-- at approximately 12:35 PM--U.S. Coast Guard Petty Officer Todd Burgun reported to WCVB the fact of JFK Jr.'s radio contact the night before.

By later in the evening on July 17 this vital information was being actively covered up by WCVB and some other mass media outlets, as it has been in all subsequent government and mass media reports.


There is now PROOF that this tremendously important fact of JFK Jr.'s 9:39 PM radio contact was without doubt DELIBERATELY and literally "covered up": hours of time on the tape archive of WCVB's July 17 broadcast, during which information on Kennedy's radio contact was continually reported, have been intentionally cut.

The record has in fact been FALSIFIED.

We will discuss this extraordinarily significant issue momentarily.

Now of course there is some infinitesimally small chance that, seconds after Kennedy completed his radio call, either there was a catastrophic mechanical failure of some kind or JFK Jr. somehow completely and instantly lost control of the plane; one or the other possibility (or both) causing the crash.

Nevertheless: the timing, content and tone of this radio communication leaves the hypothesis that "pilot error" caused the crash--as drummed unceasingly into the minds of public through endless mass media regurgitation of such claims by government officials and agencies--virtually devoid of any credibility whatsoever: and if WHATEVER caused the crash were TRULY "accidental", then WHY has the fact that Kennedy made the call been completely covered up and lied about?

This proof that information on Kennedy's verified radio contact with flight controllers at 9:39 PM July 16, as reported to WCVB-TV by Petty Officer Todd Burgun of the Coast Guard, was subsequently expunged and deleted from ALL government AND media accounts of the tragedy and indeed specifically DENIED by all relevant agencies is beyond any reasonable doubt TOTALLY suspicious!

If the destruction of the plane and deaths of all passengers was "accidental" there is absolutely no reason for COVERING UP the fact of the 9:39 PM radio contact.

"Well, wait," you say. "Covered up? Lied about?"

Exactly how can we "prove" such a cover-up DID occur regarding this radio contact? How can we "prove" that what was indeed initially reported as ROCK-SOLID fact was within a matter of hours completely expunged from all official accounts and denied by many persons and agencies directly involved?

We will explain precisely how this can be PROVED forthwith.

Now course, a reasonable person can easily begin to see there's something just a LITTLE bit wrong with this "official" picture by now. But don't go away. The picture gets even worse.


Let's get back for a moment to those "official" claims mass media has bombarded us with over and over again--that weather/visibility conditions in the Martha's Vineyard region were lousy.

In FACT, FAA Flight Specialist Edward Meyer of LaGuardia Airport in Queens N.Y., tapped by FAA administrator Jane Garvey to prepare the FAA's OFFICIAL report of weather conditions when Kennedy's plane was destroyed, stated in the report that visibility in the region was AT LEAST very good on the evening of July 16.

Meyer himself became SO distressed by endless spewing of erroneous disinformation about these weather conditions by government agencies and mass media, he took the unprecedented step of issuing a public statement ON HIS OWN--which THOROUGHLY SLAMMED this onslaught of disinformational noise as complete, total NONSENSE, utterly unsupported by the FACTS.

To quote from Meyer's personal statement as released to mass media: "The weather along his flight was just fine. A little haze over eastern Connecticut.

"I don't know why the airplane crashed, but what I heard on the media was NOTHING BUT GARBAGE."

Thanks for standing up for the TRUTH, Mr. Meyer and God bless you.

Weather radar data for July 16, although strangely unavailable for the exact time when the plane was destroyed, DOES show that atmospheric moisture, "haze". etc. were quite minimal around Martha's Vineyard both before and after the plane's destruction, in contrast to conditions further west, closer to the NYC metropolitan area.

Okay. We can forget about poor weather/visibility conditions contributing to the plane's destruction by "pilot error" and such.

Next, let's take a look at claims Kennedy was in fact seriously under-qualified to be flying at all under such conditions, even though we have just PROVEN weather conditions at Martha's Vineyard were in fact QUITE GOOD.


Various disinformational sources have claimed that Kennedy had anywhere from under 100 to at most perhaps 200-300 hours of flight experience at the time of his death. Other almost laughable disinformation issued forth from spooks, intelligence agents and dupes of various stripes and nationalities, who spewed static about Kennedy's recklessness and foolhardiness, culminating in claims that Kennedy possessed some kind of "risk-taking" geneS never before heard of in the history of science. And on and on. You get the picture.

What's the REAL truth about Kennedy's qualifications as a pilot? How about this.

Every personal flight instructor JFK Jr. EVER had stated that the man was an EXCEPTIONALLY cautious, prudent and careful pilot, absolutely NOT given to recklessness or "risk-taking' of any kind in any way shape or form while flying. Our many previous articles on this tragedy identify and quote a number of these individuals.

However, most significant regarding this issue are statements from John McColgan, Kennedy's federal licensing instructor in Vero Beach, Florida.

McColgan stated that Kennedy's flight experience dates back SEVENTEEN years; to 1981. He also reported Kennedy had over 700 hours total flight time; that Kennedy had completed his written test for instrument flight rating AND indeed had completed his training for the in-flight instrument rating test only several months before his death. Kennedy just hadn't taken the in-flight test.

McColgan noted that Kennedy WAS basically qualified to fly on instruments alone (NOT that he would have even NEEDED to around 9:39 PM July 16, 1999 near Martha's Vineyard), and furthermore called Kennedy an EXCELLENT PILOT.

SO, we can now forget about claims that Kennedy was an inexperienced, under-qualified, reckless, "risk-taking pilot.


NOW, let's look at what was going on in the air over the water near the southwest part of Martha's Vineyard on July 16, 1999 at around 9:39 PM.

What WAS going on was that Kennedy radioed the Vineyard airport control tower.

According to UPI's news bulletin titled "Hopes Fade For Missing Kennedy Plane" (UPI Focus) AQUINNAH, Mass., July 17 (UPI) -(as excerpted verbatim from the article at -- http://www.upi.com/corp/news/jfkjr3.html)

' At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13 miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.

' Moments later, radar operated by the Federal Aviation Administration showed the plane went into a dive and dropped 1,200 feet in just 12 seconds, according to ABC News.

' In his final approach message, WCVB-TV said Kennedy told controllers at the airport that he planned to drop off his wife's sister and then take off again between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. for Hyannis Airport.

Although these crucial facts regarding Kennedy's 9:39 PM radio contact were reported by WCVB-TV Boston as well as by UPI and several other local TV stations in the Martha's Vineyard area, they were removed from WCVB's reporting later in the evening on July 17, subsequently disappeared from UPI's accounts within about 24 hours and were also subsequently DENIED by airport personnel.

Indeed news of Kennedy's radio contact never even made it to some mass media outlets and if it did was quickly expunged from later reports.

Questions put to WCVB-TV personnel several days afterward about their broadcast of this information were disingenuously skirted; though never outright denied. One such statement from the station was: "we don't "BELIEVE" we broadcast that information."

Well, it turns out there's a good reason WCVB personnel never outright denied having broadcast this information, because THEY DID broadcast it!



The tape of WCVB's broadcast of Saturday, July 17, starting at about 12 noon, was obtained from Corporate Media Services of Auburn, New Hampshire, which archives tapes of TV broadcasts and markets copies.

On the tape, at approximately 12:35 PM, WCVB news anchor Susan Warnick reports there is a significant new development in the case of Kennedy's missing plane.

Says Warnick: "We have been told by the Coast Guard that in fact there IS now EVIDENCE of a last communication, last night, with JFK Jr.'s plane as it was ON APPROACH to Martha's Vineyard Airport. Petty Officer Todd Burgun joins us from the Coast Guard base in Boston. He is a petty officer and public information officer.

"Thank you for being with us, sir. What can you tell us about this last communication with JFK Jr.'s plane?"

The station cuts to a live audio feed from Todd Burgun at U.S. Coast Guard headquarters in Boston. Burgun begins speaking as follows: "All I know at this time is that it was at 9:39 PM, and it was with the FAA and it was on approach?"

And, on the archive tape of the broadcast as originally received, THAT'S IT!

INCREDIBLY, the first archive tape transcript/copy received from Corporate Media Services is CUT--right there! Just as Petty Officer Todd Burgun begins his report on newly discovered evidence of the 9:39 PM radio call from Kennedy!

THIS tape then resumes with WCVB's broadcast from approximately 6 PM that evening.

How about that. The tape transcript of WCVB's July 16 broadcast is inexplicably cut JUST as Todd Burgun of the U.S. Coast Guard begins his report of what the announcer had most appropriately called a major, very significant new development in the case. There is a gap of over FIVE HOURS in the tape of their broadcast that day--as first received.


Now any guesses what the first words out of the mouth of the evening news anchor are when the tape of the broadcast resumes at 6 PM? The announcer, fidgeting, fumbling for words, looking nervous, distraught and downright UPSET, haltingly and stutteringly makes the following, tortuous, garbled and HIGHLY unconvincing statement.

"Something that we had THOUGHT earlier (FIRST lie--there was NO 'thought' involved at all: rather an UNEQUIVOCAL official report from the Coast Guard) MAY not be TRUE: that there WAS actually NO radio communication (SECOND lie--one moment she says "may not be true" and in the next breath says "there WASS noS communication") with JFK Jr.'s plane after it left New Jersey.

"We had HOPED ("we" had?) that there was some radio communication of course (?), most recently at Martha's Vineyard (?). This this (uncomfortable pause) -- last night at about NINE O'CLOCK, NINE- THIRTY (being obviously aware of the TRUTH of the radio contact she inadvertently gives the location and general time of the actual contact!!), when perhaps things STARTED TO GO WRONG (?!) (giving away the truth again!).

"We had hoped we could learn from that, but it SEEMSS thatS thereS (another uncomfortable pause)-- MAY be NO EVIDENCE (MAY be?) because (and here's the zinger) there MAY be no RECORDING to listen to TO GET THESE DETAILS FROM!"

Whew! A look of immense relief crossed the announcer's face as she manages to finish her obviously distressing task of lying bold-faced to the camera; her hands and those of her co-anchor fidgeting continuously throughout her ordeal. The entire scene just REEKS of someone having just been told by higher-ups to "get out there" and LIE.

And even in the depths of this mishmash of lies and falsifications, the announcer does not--or probably CAN not--just state plainly and simply: "the Coast Guard was mistaken--there was no radio contact between Kennedy and the airport." Period.

Naturally, our source's interest was highly provoked at this clear evidence of falsification of the record and got in touch with Corporate Media Services in regard to the situation. He was given some lame excuse as to why the station had wanted their tape archive cut at that point, which of course had nothing to do with the incredibly important information reported on during the time period missing from the tape first received.

Prevailing upon the personnel at Corporate Media Services, he was able to obtain an UN-CUT tape copy of WCVB's July 17 broadcast, which had on it the portion of the broadcast cut from the first tape.

And guess what? On the UN-CUT tape of the broadcast, Officer Burgun goes on to deliver his full report, which makes note of those points reported by UPI as quoted above: that Kennedy, completely calm and obviously "in command" of himself, his craft and the overall situation, was on approach to the airport and had given his approximate position and trajectory as well as made a comment about dropping Lauren Bessette off and then continuing on to Hyannis.

This tremendously significant information is then referred to REPEATEDLY for the next several hours by WCVB; with EVERY possible indication that Kennedy's 9:39 radio contact is absolute, ROCK-SOLID, verifiable FACT!

And that's what was cut from the tape archive of the station's July 17 broadcast.


Most interestingly as well, ALSO reported by WCVB news anchors repeatedly during that portion of the broadcast which was cut, is the fact that a reporter for the (Martha's) Vineyard Gazette who was on Philbin Beach (southwest end of Martha's Vineyard) the evening of July 16 saw an AIRBORNE EXPLOSION in the general vicinity of the sky where Kennedy's plane was destroyed at approximately 9:40.

THIS information was also covered up and outright denied by all relevant parties and agencies in all subsequent government and media accounts of the event.


Now, as we've noted, although the timing, content and tone of Kennedy's 9:39 PM communication with flight controller personnel in and of themselves almost COMPLETELY invalidate the possibility "pilot error"--especially--or even some chance catastrophic mechanical failure caused the plane's destruction, there is still an incredibly small chance that seconds after this communication one or the other eventuality did occur.

However, if that WERE in fact the case, then WHY has the absolutely undeniable FACT of this radio contact been COVERED UP in every official statement and news story on the incident beginning later in the day on Saturday, July 17 and continuing on until the present?

If Kennedy had an ACCIDENT, then WHY has the TRUTH been covered up?

This irrefutable proof of cover-up can only mean that the deaths of Kennedy, his reportedly pregnant wife and her sister didn't happen "by accident". This can only mean they were murdered by means of deliberate destruction/sabotage of the aircraft.

And that IS the truth, the whole truth and nothing BUT the "UN-CUT" TRUTH.

Just think about the degree and intensity of pressure which was applied to the owners/managers of WCVB-TV Boston to make them force their news crews to deliberately and knowingly LIE on camera about what the station had just previously reported for several hours straight; which was applied to Martha's Vineyard airport personnel to make them lie when questioned about Kennedy's radio contact; which was applied to WCVB's owners/managers to make them have Corporate Media Services alter/falsify the tape archive of the station's July 17 broadcast.

Think about WHAT THIS MEANS about present conditions in the United States of America.


<a href="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/jfkjr.html">THE MURDER OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, Jr</a>
AN UPDATE by Sherman H. Skolnick

What Happened To America's Golden Boy. WHO BENEFITS? That is a question that should be asked following a political assassination, or even when foul play is suspected. The monopoly press, from the time of Abraham Lincoln to date, never asks THAT QUESTION. Common Americans are to be fed from a bottomless garbage can of "lone assassin", or "accident" rubbish.

John F. Kennedy, Jr., most would have to admit, was charming and articulate, and had none of the ghosts and scandals in his closet that others of his relatives seem to have had or have. If he ran for important public office, he most likely would sweep the field if not just giving every other candidate a hard time.

There are two reasons for his death, one being the main one and then, for some, an alternative. Main reason:

His family knew he planned, on August 1, 1999, to announce, that like his father, he was going to run for President. His relatives, however, warned him that the U.S. Secret Service would not and could not protect him and they did not protect his father. The head of what is now called the U.S. Secret Service, Lafayette C. Baker, was part of the plot to murder President Abraham Lincoln. ["The Lincoln Conspiracy" by Balsiger, was also a movie in the 1970s.]

The presidential guards likewise permitted an assassin to murder President James Garfield and President William McKinley. Both were anti-British, pro-American at a time when Great Britain persisted in their schemes to take back this Continent as their puppet colony [an ongoing plot from the time of the War of 1812 to now.] Further, the Secret Service allowed a plot to go forward to disable or murder in 1981 newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. A so-called "lone assassin", Hinckley, part of a family close to oil-soaked family of George Herbert Walker Bush, then Vice President, was blamed. A trial that might have brought out inconvenient facts was cut short by a purported insanity plea by the would-be "lone assassin". Two TV network reporters stated live that there were shots from another gunman, a matter never repeated on the air but never rescinded.

John F. Kennedy, Jr., made one grave mistake. He trusted the presidential campaign officials of Albert Gore, Jr. to know that JFK Jr. planned to announce on August 1, 1999, that he was going to run for President. That would have interfered with the plans of Gore as well as George W. Bush, the Texas Governor. The Gore campaign reportedly promised total secrecy, a pledge they never kept. The Elder Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, was reportedly part of the scheme to assassinate President Kennedy. According to the book not allowed for many years to be openly sold in the U.S., "Farewell America", the oil industry wanted President Kennedy dead, dead, dead. JFK wanted the oil cartel's tax dodge, the oil depletion allowance, to be cancelled. [The book was written under the pen-name "James Hepburn" by the French CIA that infiltrated the plot. In the 1970s, I and another assassination researcher were the only ones to get copies into the U.S. Alas, I have only one copy left now.] What's that? So you did not know or believe books are suppressed in the U.S.? Too bad for you.

The latest front for the oil fraud, George W. Bush, likewise would most naturally have an interest in the demise of JFK, Jr. George W. just before the fatal plane take-off, somehow was near the New Jersey airport where JFK Jr. kept his plane without proper security. A coincidence?

After all, JFK Jr. was a captivating speaker and would have most likely swept the field of Presidential candidates. Conservatives and liberals, both could join together to support America's Golden Boy.

According to our best, long-time reliable sources, Jr.'s sister, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg likewise warned her brother that running for President would be a death warrant. Nevertheless, she reportedly said she would support his plans. After his death, reportedly feuding with the Kennedy family, she did not go to the family get together. Her family reportedly threatens to silence her with a "Marilyn Monroe" needle, by a psychiatrist to change her views. [Remember, Marilyn Monroe was planning to go public at a press conference with details of her sex episodes with President Kennedy and brother Bobby, Attorney General. A psychiatrist reportedly gave her the "needle".]

To understand why and how the Kennedy family financially benefits by not fighting or exposing the cabal murdering their family members, visit our website, the four part series, What Happened to America's Golden Boy. Have you forgotten the attempt in 1964 to murder Teddy Kennedy by a sabotaged plane crash? Or the frame up in 1969 at Chappaquiddick?

An alternative reason, which some accept, is that JFK Jr. was going to run, not for President but for U.S. Senator from New York. Thus interfering with the plans of what we call The Dragon Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton.[Visit our website.] Visit, as well, various websites of the Clinton Body Count. Upwards of a hundred eyewitnesses have been "suicided", "accidented", or plain murdered, who knew too much about the criminality of the CIA couple known as Bill and Hillary. So, as an alternative, if Jr. were planning to run for U.S. Senator from New York, who benefits from his demise? Hillary. So you think that she did not know or suspect early on that her original opponent, Rudy Guiliani, was going to remove himself from the Senate race, because of cancer treatment, or marital scandal? Hillary reportedly knew that when Guiliani was Chief Federal Prosecutor in New York, he reportedly covered up plenty in the worldwide cases called the "Pizza Connection". The Rodham family reportedly are tied to Gambino crime family in Pennsylvania. Visit our website: "The Government-Criminal Connection". Hillary's original opponent, Rudy, was plenty blackmailable.

The FBI covered up the bombing of JFK Jr.'s plane. We obtained the details of the secret FBI report which was not to have been disclosed for 30 years. {Naive people heckle me claiming they cannot "find" it on the FBI's website. See: Golden Boy on our website, Part 4.] Within 48 hours of the time the FBI knew we had their secret report, they mysteriously announced, without explanation, that henceforth all public visitors would be cancelled to the Bureau's headquarters in Washington, D.C. They claimed unspecified "terrorists" were threatening them. By the way, Hillary put me and my TV show assistant, Joseph Andreuccetti, on an "enemies list" falsely labeling us as "domestic terrorists". A crooked, blackmailable federal judge in Chicago dismissed our case without legal formality against Hillary and others.

The National Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, released a report claiming the JFK Jr. plane crash was due to "pilot error". Over the years, the federal crash investigators have covered up several sabotaged plane crashes. For details on the long-time lies and frauds of the NTSB, visit our website story "Air Crashes, Black Boxes, and Unsafety Boards".

John F. Kennedy, Jr. was murdered before he could get to his planned announcement of August 1, 1999. If he lived and ran for President, he would have been 40 years old just after the 2000 Presidential election. Slightly younger than his father when he ran for President. Has the murdering of the Kennedy would-be dynasty ended with the rub-out of Jr.? We intend to post more updates on What Happened to America's Golden Boy. Stay tuned. .


<a href="http://freeworldalliance.com/jfkmurder/excerpt.htm">Excerpt / John F. Kennedy Jr - Evidence Of A Cover Up
John Quinn / Newshawk</a>

Here is an excerpt from Mike Rivero's article: "John F. Kennedy
Jr-Evidence Of A Cover up", at the website --

Of particular note is his recounting that Newsweek's July 26 edition
ORIGINALLY had a feature article about the fact Kennedy was set to
announce his candidacy for the NY Senate race. After the crash--for SOME
reason--this issue was recalled, destroyed and a fill-in issue put out
which had SOME, but not a lot, of coverage regarding the crash. Even
THIS issue however, does provide a SOLID indication that Kennedy was on
the brink of political involvement at the national level, on page 52,
last paragraph on the page in the article Huddling Against History.

Check this article out!

John Quinn

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John F. Kennedy Jr-Evidence Of A Cover up
by Michael Rivero

Part 5: The crash of John F. Kennedy Jr's aircraft and the indications
of a cover-up.

Having established that the government and the media have a prior (and
quite deplorable) record of deliberate lies to the public, let us look
at how the official story of the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr's plane
evolved, and why it is suspect.

As first reported by United Press International, John F. Kennedy Jr. on
approach to Martha's Vineyard in 8 mile visibility, was in radio contact
with the ground, calmly informing them of his intentions to drop off a
passenger before proceeding to Hyannis airport. Then, according to ABC
News, JFK Jr's plane went into a steep dive, and crashed.

However, even before the wreckage was found, the story being put out in
the media began to change. Gone was the previously reported radio
conversation a calm JFK Jr. had with ground personnel just before the
plane fell out of the sky, replaced by a declaration from the NTSB that
JFK Jr. had not used his radio at all as he approached Martha's
Vineyard. Gone also was the originally reported 8 mile visibility while
the media began to hammer home the claim that Martha's Vineyard had been
totally blanketed with a haze so heavy that pilots in the air would have
been blind.

No sooner were the various stories put out but they quickly fell apart.

Here are some examples.

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. was lost.
FACT: When JFK Jr. radioed controllers on the Cape (as reported on
Boston TV News) to announce his approach to Martha's Vineyard, radar
showed him to be just where he stated he was and at the correct altitude
for the approach.

PROPAGANDA: JK Jr. was in "over his head".
FACT: JFK Jr's conversational tone on the radio reveals that he was
calm. He was not disoriented. He didn't ask for directions. He didn't
indicate he had any problem at all. He clearly was confident he was
going to find the airport and land.

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. stalled the plane.
FACT: The radar track shows that he was well above stall speed.

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. went into a steep turn and lost hi horizon.
FACT: There is no reason for JFK Jr. to have been in any turn at all at
that point on the flight path leading into the airport. He was already
lined up with the main runway at Martha's Vineyard airport.

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. didn't know his altitude and simply "flew into the
ocean". FACT: The radar track shows him flying at the proper altitude, then (as ABC News put it) "falling out of the sky".

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. lost his instruments, and that is why he could not
handle the dark and hazy (?) conditions
FACT: The fact that the radar was getting good data from his encoding
altimeter proves his instruments were operating.

PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. would have lost his artificial horizon if the vacuum
pump failed in the aircraft.
FACT: MSNBC is the only media outlet to have tried to hype this one,
using a self-proclaimed "aviation expert". His claim is also false, as
there is a backup vacuum system in the pitot assembly of that aircraft.

PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. was a reckless pilot.
FACT: This claim was planted everywhere in the media, always attributed
to an "unnamed source". One reporter, Cindy Adams at the New York Post,
later had cause to suspect she had been lied to. So did Andrew Goldman
at the New York Observer. Interviews with individuals directly familier
with JFK Jr's flying ability shown on Inside Edition confirmed that he
was a highly skilled and careful pilot.

PROPAGANDA JFK Jr's wife was afraid to fly with him.
FACT: Again a story attributed to "unnamed sources", and again debunked
by the interviews shown on Inside Edition. JFK Jr's wife had no problem
flying with JFK Jr. and flew with him often.

PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. had only 40 hours experience.
FACT: He had 40 hours in that one aircraft. His total experience was
about 300 hours, more than enough to qualify him for a commercial
pilot's license. According to FAA statistics, 300 hours made him a more
careful and safer pilot than one with 1000 hours, who is more

PROPAGANDA The weather was very hazy.
FACT: The FAA issued VFR weather conditions that night, and the weather
report (mentioned in the UPI story) called for 8 mile visibility. One
witness on shore reported that there was very little haze and that
standing on the shore, he could see airplanes out over the ocean on
approach to the island, proof that airplanes on the approach could see
the shore. This claim is backed up not only by the weather report of 8
mile visibility, but by a weather satellite image taken at about the
time of the crash. This radar image is showing haze and fog along New
York and Long Island (if this radar image were of clouds, the FAA would
not have declared VFR flying conditions that night) but none at all at
Martha's Vineyard.

PROPAGANDA: Martha's Vineyard is very dark and won't show through the
haze. FACT: That may have been true only a few months ago. However, as
evidenced by a Letter to the Editor of the Martha's Vineyard Times just
days after the JFK Jr. crash, new lights installed on the island, lights
that point up in the sky, are so bright they are drawing complaints from
island residents.

That the Kennedy family has been the target of political assassination
is a part of the American political landscape. It's a given.

That cover-ups surrounded the deaths of Kennedys is also a given.

That our government lies to us, with the media's help, is a given.

There is good cause to assume we are being lied to yet again.

General Background Info

Gay Head

The Weather That Night.

Weather Radar Shows Clear Skies.

Weather radar image taken 10:40 PM the night of the crash. The radar was
set for "clear", a much more sensitive setting than "precipitation"
which tracks rain. That this radar image is showing fog and haze as opposed to cloudsis proven by the fact that the FAA had listed conditions as VFR with 8 mile visibility for the area.

This radar image shows fog and haze along New York and Long Island, but
Martha's Vineyard is definatly in clear air.

News Articles.

The first UPI article.

Click HERE for news article which confirms JFK Jr. to be in calm radio
contact with the ground, in 8 mile visibility, and reports a witness who
saw a white flash up in the sky. This article also tells a story of a strange
radio bacon, thought to be that of JFK Jr's plane, which started at the
time of the crash but in the wrong location, then mysteriously shut down some hous later.

There was no heavy haze.

Click HERE for news article which quotes an eyewitness report that conditions on Martha's Vineyard were not hazy. This report also shows that people on the shore of the island could see aircraft on approach out over the ocean, proving that aircraft out over the ocean could see the shore.

It Wasn't Dark at all.

Martha's Vineyard has bright lights shining up into the sky.

Click HERE for a Letter to the Editor published in the Martha's Vineyard
Times complaining how new lights which point up into the sky have turned the center of the island as bright as the "Boston Skyline".

Deliberate Disinformation That Points to a Cover-up.

New York Post reporter Cindy Adams outs C. David Heymann for deliberatly planting false information with the press, information which implies that JFK Jr. was an incompetant pilot.

Deliberate Disinformation That Points to a Cover-up. Part 2

New York Observer reporter Andrew Goldman confirms C. David Heymann for
deliberatly planting false information with the press, information which
smears JFK Jr. as a reckless and incompetant pilot.

NEW! The on again off again beacon.

The very first night the aircraft carrying JFK Jr. vanished, there were
early reports of an emergancy beacon being detected, but detected quite
a dstance away from where the plane's wreckage was actually found.

>From the initial UPI story, we get the following odd comment.

An emergency beacon thought to belong to the plane was activated and
heard by the Coast Guard in Long Island, N.Y., at 3:40 a.m. But as the
search went on, authorities seemed to discount the relevance of the
beacon signal.

Was another plane down in the area that night? If not, then the beacon
has to be relative.

Kurt Hartman, spokesman for the U.S. Coast Guard's district headquarters in New Haven, Conn., said this morning, "We received a call from our district office in Boston directing us to conduct a shoreline search off Horton Point, in Long Island Sound, for an emergency locating transmitting beacon." But by 10:30 a.m., the Coast Guard was no longer receiving a signal from the emergency beacon that was believed to be on Kennedy's small plane.

Here we find that the beacon that has the Coast Guard ordering a search
in the WRONG LOCATION simply switches goes away. The source of that
beacon has never been identified.

For those critical first few hours, this beacon had searchers looking in
the wrong place. Then it simple went away.

FOOTNOTE: The July 26th, 1999 issue of Newsweek

Just days prior to his death, NBC Dateline hinted that JFK Jr. was
considering an entry into politics, and mentioned that a story to that
effect was to be published in the July 26th, 1999 issue of NEWSWEEK.

NEWSWEEK recalled that issue from the distrubutors, and had them
destroyed. CNN ran a story claiming that NEWSWEEK planned to change covers and re-distribute, but that never happened. The NEWSWEEK issue dealing with JFK Jr. is dated August 2nd. The July 26th 1999 issue of NEWSWEE simply vanished.


Also check out this site with a lot of material on the murder of JFK Jr., <a href="http://freeworldalliance.com/camelot.htm#articles">The Camelot Killings</a> and this mirror site <a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bush_killed_jfkjr.htm">Bush Killed JFKjr.</a> of a page that doesn't exist since quite a few years now; what ever happened to the <a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/wake_up_america.html">Hard Truth/Wake Up America</a> site? That was a very good site...

03-17-2005, 06:10 AM
When we have people such as JFK, JFKjr, Diana, Marilyn, who are MURDERED by 'them', what is the little guy supposed to do? This, Draken, is why in the US you either become a "ever-lovin", "kick their ass", type of USA citizen---or---you turn to God and announce that he is 'all powerful', and he 'controls everything', 'no one can do anything to me'. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking down God. I'm saying that people feel helpless and fearful when they see such tragedies orchestrated by 'them'. News like this travels fast to other countries. This is why they hate us, this is why they do not want the US of A to be the 'world leader'.

When such things happen because of state of the art technology that can control the instrument panel in your car, truck, and yes: PLANE, or by invisible flying planes/missiles/other objects to make something like this happen, what are the average joe and jane to do? Often times, the idea for a 'Voice' plan gets pushed back, and people don't want to make 'waves'. They are afraid to question things, even amongst themselves. I am one of those people that would be one of the numbers TO GO to our political and intelligence figures to have questions answered, or at least some feedback. Maybe its because I am by myself, older, no children of my own. But others who are in a family household are afraid to even read this stuff on the internet. They are afraid, period.

Such beautiful, intrumental, powerful people--
murdered by the EVEN MORE 'powerful'!!!

This was a great thread Draken! I gave you 5 stars. Helen

03-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Thanks Helen!

What are the average Joe and Jane to do indeed?

Difficult question.
It's a shame the average person doesn't realize they've been bribed, bought off with a comfortable life and luxuries. It's a shame they don't realize they've delegated their power to their "representatives" who use it to justify atrocities that make them, the "representatives" millions in the people's name.
And the illusion kept in place by the State Media.

I posted elsewhere the articles about "elections" in "democracies" and why people really shouldn't vote; by <a href="http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/elections.html">Francis Parker Yockey (Elections)</a> and <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/shaffer1.html">Butler Shaffer (Why I Do Not Vote)</a>. I totally agree with the ideas expressed in these articles.

I think democracy has played out its role as an adequate form of government. Really, if you look at the world you realize very fast that there isn't one democracy that's not subverted by vested interests and totally controlled by secret societies, secret treaties, secret commissions, secret committees etc. I'm beginning to wonder if there ever was a time democracy was genuine! Even so, is it really wise to let a majority decide, if they don't have neither qualifications nor competence? Is it not typical of a group that the larger it is the lower the aggregated competence level becomes? The "smallest common denominator" has to become lower in relation to its size, right?

Like Butler Shaffer proposes, say I: let it fall. Let the current corrupt, subverted system fall.

Actually, even with the massive media mind control, I'm surprised the American public still bother to vote. Actually, maybe they DON'T bother, but who can tell when they rig the results on a regular basis?

So what then?

I've said it elsewhere (maybe you've read it?;-)) too, that it's a misunderstanding dictatorship is oppressive by default. Says who? It depends on what's dictated, is it not? And, of course, by whom! I would have no problem - in fact, I'd be HONORED - if I could serve with all my actions and thoughts a "ruler" like <a href="http://www.tasawuf.ws/">Mawlana Sidi Ahmed Ibn Mustafa Al Alawi Al Mostghanmi Qaddasa Allahu Ruhahu</a> or <a href="http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/">Sri Ramana Maharshi</a> or even a Westerner (shocking huh?;-)) like <a href="http://www.frithjof-schuon.com/start.htm">Frithjof Schuon</a>, who actually lived many years with American Indians and became a member of a tribe, unfortunately I can't remember which now. He settled in Bloomington, Indiana where he founded a Sufi order of which <a href="javascript:small_window5('http://www.nasrfoundation.org/aims.html')">Seyyed Hossein Nasr</a> is the shaykh at present.

I know Ahmad is going to bite my head off becuase he doesn't like Sufis but I don't care - I'm not afraid! :-D

Seriously though, there are of course other adequate examples of of "rulers" I would be glad to follow who are or were not Sufis. (To clarify, Sri Ramana Maharshi is NOT a Sufi.) As I'm studying Sufism these came the quickest to mind.
Of course, they would have to possess the spiritual and temporal qualities and authority befit such a ruler.

I have to finish for the time being but I'll leave with a few links I think are relevant for this discussion, <a href="http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/divine.html">THE DIVINE ORIGINS OF CONSTITUTIONS by Joseph de Maistre</a> and all <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer-arch.html">Butler Shaffer's articles</a>.

and a quote. ;-)

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/notes.html">The End of a World</a>

"This end only appears to be the «end of the world», without any reservation or specification of any kind, to those who see nothing beyond the limits of this particular cycle; a very excusable error of perspective it is true, but one that has nonetheless some regrettable consequences in the excessive and unjustified terrors to which it gives rise in people who are not sufficiently detached from terrestrial existence; and naturally they are the very people who form this erroneous conception most easily, just because of the narrowness of their point of view. ...the end now under consideration is undeniably of considerably greater importance than many other, for it is the end of a whole Manvantara, and so of the temporal existence of what may rightly be called a humanity, but this, it must be said once more, in no way implies that it is the end of the terrestrial world itself, because, through the «reinstatement» that takes place at the final instant, this end will itself immediately become the beginning of another Manvantara...if one does not stop short of the most profound order of reality, it can be said in all truth the «end of a world» never is and never can be anything but the end of an illusion."
(René Guénon)

Truth, Beauty, Love

04-02-2005, 03:21 AM
<a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2088">Israel killed JFK,says Vanunu</a>
ReDiff.com – July 26, 2004

In a startling accusation, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has alleged that Jerusalem was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Israeli head of state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant.

In defiance of a ban on talking to the media and meeting with foreigners, Vanunu is said to have made the accusation in an interview to London-based Al-Hayat newspaper.

As per the interview published in newspaper's Arabic supplement Al-Wassat yesterday, Vanunu said according to "near-certain indications", Kennedy was assassinated due to "pressure he exerted on then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona's nuclear reactor".

"We do not know which irresponsible Israeli Prime Minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighbouring Arab countries," he is quoted to have said, adding, "What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding can destroy the region and kill millions."

The whistleblower, who was released in April after 18 years of imprisonment on charges of treason for divulging state secrets, also said that the reactor in Dimona, could become a second "Chernobyl", Israeli media reported. He said an earthquake could cause fissures to the core and that would cause a massive radiation leak threatening millions.

Vanunu warned that Jordan should test the residents along the border with Israel for exposure to radiation and give them pills just like the Jewish state decided to do for its citizens.

<a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/may/27israel.htm">Sunday Times reporter held in Israel</a>

Criticising the visit of head of the Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed el-Baradei, to Israel early this month, he said, "He (Baradei) should have refused to visit Israel (because) he was not allowed to inspect the nuclear reactor."

It was not yet clear how al-Hayat did the interview, which the publication claimed is the first with Vanunu since his release. If it turns out that he in fact gave such an interview in violation of the conditions laid down for his release, severe sanctions might be imposed on him.

An Israeli Justice Ministry statement said "the statements that Vanunu made will be examined and if it is determined that he violated the law or his restrictions, then steps against him will be considered."

"The opinions on Vanunu are divided," said Ra'anan Gissin, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. "Some say let him speak and it adds to the ambiguity policy, while others say the more he speaks the more he raises tensions, particularly in the current atmosphere."

Brushing aside the latest allegations, he said that serious people understood that Vanunu was speaking nonsense and his comments on JFK were not worthy of a reaction.

04-02-2005, 03:42 AM
I personally believe it is a distraction.

Perhaps Israeli intelligence in a subcontractor role.

Whatever. The people who own the planet got rid of him.

Serve him right for actually thinking he served the peoples interests.

04-02-2005, 11:43 AM
It would be interesting to know how Ted Kennedy

got them to spare his life ... what did he

give them so they would let him live ?

04-04-2005, 08:10 AM
I read an article about JFK Jr. in a women's magazine while in the waiting room at the doctor's office (it was Ladies Home Journal or some such). The article was a synopsis of a book that was written by John-John's (alleged) best friend, (there were pics of Jr. and this guy from their college days, weddings, etc.) Anyway, this guy said that Jr. had confided to him that he (Jr.) was seriously considering a campaign run for the New York Senate-- right before the plane went down. Guess who got the Senate seat that Jr. was considering???


I do wish I could find the book that this was mentioned in. I'll do a search about it and see what I come up with.

04-04-2005, 08:20 AM
Here is the book:


And here is a blurb from that page:

"and Littell speaks of his friend's anguish at repeatedly failing the bar - and then he founded his own political magazine, which seemed only fitting because Kennedy yearned to live up to the family name and accepted that politics would be his destiny"

It doesn't specifically refer to the Senate seat Jr. was considering, but I am SURE that was what was in the magazine. I remember because I was shocked because I realized that was the seat Hillary got, and because I loved looking at Jr. :)

04-04-2005, 08:22 AM
Hey Nonextremist, I've read the same thing, probably somewhere else (8-)) but it's probably true. It would only have been a matter of time before Jr. would go into politics. And he would've been successful and a serious threat because he had it all: money, legacy, looks, connections, popularity.

04-04-2005, 08:29 AM

I tried the first link in your post and it isn't working (redirected perhaps?). I could get to http://www.cephasministry.com/. Please give directions as to how to get to the correct webpage from there.


04-04-2005, 08:42 AM

I think it's pretty clear that the Cephas Ministry link is being redirected. I've tried to reach it several ways and there is just no getting to it.

04-04-2005, 09:18 AM
Ok, here's the hopefully right link. I don't know which one I posted originally. This one works for me.



BTW, immense amount of material, don't know if it's all genuine but still. If anyone has the time and/or the patience...

04-04-2005, 09:26 AM
Whatthehey, I might as well post the interview! It's actually quite funny...

[This is an interview with John F. Kennedy Jr. from the magazine "George" Oct98, Vol. 3 Issue 10, p136, Editor's note]

The host of a PBS public-affairs show and author of Empower the People: A 7-Step. Plan to Overthrow the Conspiracy That Is Stealing Your Money and Freedom plans his revolution from the Oval Office.


Because I would focus Americans on making the right choices between knowledge and ignorance, freedom and slavery, Americanism and conspiracy, good and evil.


First, I would repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which created what l believe is the privately owned central bank of the United States government and which confiscates the incomes of Americans and gradually transfers them into the accounts of the ruling class. I would replace the Fed with a model based on the only state-owned banking system, the Bank of North Dakota, because it creates wealth for the people. Second, I would reduce the reach of the Fed's collection agency, the IRS, by assigning it the task of managing a state-run national sales tax. Third, I would make sure every home in America has a computer, so that every child has a future-and every adult an information technology skill and a job.


My late angel-mother, Elizabeth Sanford, and my late mentor, Dr. H. Naylor Fitzhugh.


Being honest and candid.


ABOUT YOU? Everything, because private behavior has public consequences, especially for the first role model.


Moral rot and the Year 2000 Problem (Y2K), the computer glitch that will erupt as of January 1, 2000, with bankruptcies, bank failures, unemployment, a worldwide recession, and societal havoc.


A dangerous, nuclear-armed Russia that is economically and politically unstable.


I would write a song called "We Didn't All Come Over on the Same Ship, but We're All in the Same Boat."


"President Tony Brown Overthrows the Ruling-Class Conspiracy."


Nonviolent, first-time offenders who are serving a mandatory 15-yearto- life sentence for selling crack cocaine.


Voodoo deficit surpluses and government accounting that steals the money and freedom of Americans.


A phallic symbol of Bill Clinton in Freemason regalia, a picture of the gold that used to be in Fort Knox, and a mummified grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.


A deadly serpent named Illuminati to warn the people of the perils engulfing the nation.


By reading William Jefferson Clinton's Bill of Impeachment.


The next choice of the money lords. He or she will be picked by the same people who selected George Bush and Bill Clinton.

PHOTO (COLOR): Tony Brown

PHOTO (BLACK &WHITE): The White House


04-04-2005, 12:18 PM
nomad wrote:
It would be interesting to know how Ted Kennedy

got them to spare his life ... what did he

give them so they would let him live ?

My guess is that Teddy has so many skeletons in his closet that he is probably easy to control.

04-04-2005, 12:24 PM

If that interview is for real, it is quite scary.

04-04-2005, 01:00 PM

How many "trigger words" can you pack into an interview for a shallow lifestyle magazine? ;-)

If he'd written it in an email Echelon would've gone into overdrive and self-destructed.

Let's see how long they're going to let Mel live...

04-04-2005, 01:33 PM
That interview IS hard to believe. He couldn't seriously expect to get very far letting all those opinions be known.

For me the real mystery is how the cover up of his likely murder is done so seamlessly, like all other cover ups. Like his father he had plenty of people who wanted him dead. It is an important example though to document along with the rest.

Was he willingly suicidal I wonder, in considering going into politics?

04-04-2005, 01:45 PM
What I can't figure out is; I thought the Kennedys had more clout than to let a bunch of their kin to be slaughtered without so much as flinch in revenge?

Are they not one of America's most influential, most affluent families?

Don't they have their own "crew" of highly professional thugs they can let loose on the Bushes, Rockefellers, DuPonts and all the rest of the Illuminati families?

Are they not in fact an Illuminati family themselves? That's what I thought.

How come no one ever gets "close" to a Bush?

04-04-2005, 02:08 PM
Apparently, the Kennedy family didn't have that much power. Or at least the assassination of JFK was how the family dynasty was finally destroyed. I thought everyone knew this story. JFK got killed cuz he made some decisions his globalist masters weren't happy with-end of story-that goes for that commie bastard Lincoln too. :-P

04-05-2005, 01:26 AM
Yeah, but remember, I'm European - where History comes from - and don't necessarily know all the ins and outs of American "history". 8-)

05-13-2005, 09:14 AM
Small plane crashes, a drop of poison made to look like a suicide. Their methods of operation.

I can tell you that they didn't like JFK pandering to the people.

He was trying to put the money back into the hands of the people through Congress.

He warned the American people that our freedoms were in danger.

He wanted to abolish the "Psychological Strategy Board." The entity overseeing the mind control programs.

He bailed out of the "Bay of Pigs."

They couldn't CONTROL HIM, so they said, "one shot to the back of the head and he'll be dead on national television for the world to see."

THEY vowed to never allow another Kennedy in office. Not after what JFK did.

I believe JFK, Jr. was killed as he was talking about a run for Presidency.

09-02-2005, 03:40 PM
<a href="http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm">Division 4 team names Clintons, Bush 41, 43 in JFK Jr. assassination</a>

09-02-2005, 05:08 PM
Draken wrote:
<a href="http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm">Division 4 team names Clintons, Bush 41, 43 in JFK Jr. assassination</a>

Thanks for posting!!

As I've stated, "they vowed never to allow another Kennedy in the White House."

They could not be trusted. JFK was pandering to the people. NOT ALLOWED. Getting weak, getting soft. Couldn't control him.

As I've stated, a drop of poison, made to look like a suicide and their favorite way to take someone out, "small plane crash."

Probably why I will never fly on one. Not that they want to take me out, but I know it's easy for them to blame it on "pilot error" when they write the REPORTS and conduct the investigations.

John, John was murdered, as I stated, because he was thinking of running for the Presidency just as the writer reports.

Princess Di was most likely assassinated as well.

Anyone we idolize. Anyone who lifts our spirits. Anyone who gives us hope.

John Lennon!!

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Robert Kennedy


of course, anyone who poses a threat.

There is a list on the web entitled, "The Bush Crime Family Dead Body Trail."


the two officers at TexasANG who could have cleared up George W. Bush, Jr.'s missing time in the Air National Guard.


09-02-2005, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the update...but I won't be holding my breath for Mr. Fitzgerald's grand jury to expose anything; however, I did acquire my posting signature, thanks to the article's final quote.

09-02-2005, 06:56 PM
I dont want any bleeding heart Micks in the White House.

Start giving the Irish some ideas about Empire building...imagine an Irish Empire! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Thats right...you cant!

Though with Guiness placed in strategic positions all over the planet it may be possible to lure them out.

I still cant get over the wogs actually ran the "known world" at one stage? How is that so? Inbetween chasing skirt and drinking wine plus waving their hands around alot as they talk...how did they do it? How do you thrust a sword while insulting the barbarians Mother and waving your arms about?

Think about it.

09-02-2005, 07:17 PM
For the record, I think Princess Di's assassination was over child custody. It was time that her boys began their Illuminati indoctrination, and that would have been impossible as long as they remained under her obviously anti-NWO influence. I've never believed that rot about Prince Charles not being a Freemason. He is obviously a Satanist and NWO collaborator.
But I'll be damned if I can figure out what the John Lennon hit was about...his song Imagine is the New World Order national anthem, as far as I am concerned. Maybe he was wising up at the end and rebelling against Yoko's control...

...Some other factoids from the Flocco article I found interesting, if they can be confirmed:

There is a strange, unsettled feeling sweeping across the land. America seems to be aware that something big will happen this fall. Most can’t put their finger on it. But the markets know what’s coming.

Massive insider stock sales versus purchases were running $74 sold to each $1 of stock bought, right after TomFlocco.com alone reported that President Bush and Vice President Cheney had been indicted. Unknowing investors with automatically deducted pension fund and 401K contributions are still buying into the stock market while the turmoil of coming political upheaval is slowing festering like an inexorable cancer ready to claim its victim.

In feb, 2005, Corporate business executives, officers and directors sold $5 billion in personal stock, establishing a new market record for unloading insider securities in a single month. What do they know that public doesn’t?

We all remember the insider trading before 9/11, right? Wonder what the specifics of this trading were...a lot of energy stocks maybe, in advance of the New Orleans catastrophe?

....and TB, if the Irish ever take over the world, I know I'll be investing in Betty Ford Center franchises and retiring early.


09-02-2005, 08:09 PM
On the subject of our beloved Prince Charles.

Charle's mentor and God Father to the kiddies, was the one and only Sir Laurens Van Der Post. Van Der Post wrote the "seed And The Sower" which was turned into the film "Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence" starring the faggy one David Bowie.

Van Der Post writes alot on Africa and inparticular the Khalahari Bushmen. I actually like Van Der Post alot.

He was also best friends with the alledged father of the new age...Carl Gustav Jung.

Jung's entire psychology is centered around the individual dignity of man. DO NOT believe the TOTAL shit written about him and his work. He was indeed a HIGHLY FLAWED man but seeing as he never claimed to be God we can let him off the hook...a little.

Jung DESPISED secret societies. He DESPISED anything that prevented the individual unfolding of the human personality. That includes membership to ANY organization which requires submission to a "creed" or "group think" mentality. For Jung, religion was about "experience" and keeping in contact with the divine. You cannot do that if you are "fitting in". However, Jung also made note that you cannot expect ALL people to suddenly become capable of standing alone and that membership of a "group" was nescessary if the individual ego was too weak to stand alone.

Jung ALWAYS pushed people back into their faith if they still had any, as a protection from the forces of the unconscious. He warned against people taking on "the cloak of the East" over the top of their Western/Christian original state. He used examples from the East to elaborate on the "Christian Myth"...not to destroy it. He always claimed that Christianity was a valid point of reference for the West but did not like the lack of the "feminine" in it's structure...hence his support of the Catholic church and the raising up of the Virgin Mary which I think was a mistake. Remember, at the time the planet was facing nuclear war and Jung considered the return of the Feminine Feeling Function vital to the planets survival.

Whatever...i digress.

The point is...Jungs work centered on the concept of "Individuation"...or the process of becoming ones "Self" as God intended. Humans were NOT a "Tabula Rasa" or "Blank Slate" but were in fact highly individual and the seeds of ones destiny were contained within and the role of society was to support and encourage this unfolding.

Van Der Post adheres to this view exactly and I find it hard to believe he would countenence Charlies enrolement in Masonry. I believe Charlies NOT a Mason but he's still an Elitist prick who needs a slap.

Thats my view on it anyway.

09-02-2005, 09:16 PM
Van Der Post adheres to this view exactly and I find it hard to believe he would countenence Charlies enrolement in Masonry. I believe Charlies NOT a Mason but he's still an Elitist prick who needs a slap.

He may not have Tubalcain pin in his dresser drawer, but he has the attitude. I believe there are very few of the ruling elites who are not indoctrinated into Satanism, or else they are eliminated.
Case in point: If Princess Di were still alive, no way would the oldest boy have been caught wearing that Nazi uniform to the costume party. Also Charles' dabblings as the poster boy for globalist and ecological causes give me cause for suspicion.
Maybe his mentor meant well, but I'm not certain the lessons took hold. To close, I submit the various media accounts of Charles participating in religious cermeonies ranging from Islam to Greek Orthodoxy.
I see him as no different than Bush, Clinton or any of the other NWO players. If you ever get the chance to shake hands with him, count all of your fingers afterward.

09-03-2005, 12:07 AM
I dont disagree. But I think Masonry and the various other Elite groupings will tolerate someone if there wrold view is the same. I'm sure he's a Bilderberger.

I tell you...if the pre-requisite for Satanic thought is Charlies then I can count at least half the worlds population as Satanic.

If the question is..."is Charlie a card carrying Mason"...then i'd say no. But you are right that his world view is similar but that is because at it's height Masonry is an Elite concoction.

He is an EXTREMELY arrogant personality and I doubt he will bring himself to join anything. Lord Mountbatton was also a great mentor of his and much beloved by him. I read that Mountbatton was DEAD against Masonry...they may have played a role in his assassination.

He is indifferent. I remember Charlies well known comment over Indonesia's use of British supplied weaponry on the East Timorese. He replied..."well if we dont sell it to them someone else will". Thats what I mean by the indifference...no devil here...just a human being who needs a little suffering himself to engage his "compassion" part of the brain.

I see the "I dont give a fuck...power over people attitude" EVERYWHERE! Hell, even my sister considers a cull of the Asians o.k though if you'd call her a racist she'd be genuinely shocked. Indifference is EVERWHERE. I think in large part because the Western World is SO comfortable. I gained my world view in part through suffering and being around people who were suffering. Nursing enabled me to be present at incredibly painful moments. It made me REALISE that life WAS indeed precious and in a moment of cruel fate you could be smashed to smithereens with your head 100m further down the road from your body.

I think we gain our compassion and strong familial and community bonds through shared suffering and struggle. The reason for people taking Ecstasy is in large part to recover that feeling of "togetherness". Look at combat soldiers and how they wax lyrical on the "bond" between men in combat. That you would die for your brothers in arms. We crave that intense feeling of togetherness. Our Golden Cages make us lose it and in the end turn on each other as we try to escape the matrix. Life without struggle is not worth living. Hence the desire for intense romance in our intimate relationships.

Whatever...perhaps the point is moot. I see an awful lot of people who adhere to the "Rationalist/Darwinist" World view who in terms of behaviour mirror the Masonry/Illuminati world view...perhaps thats the point...thats what "they've" been working at from the beginning and are succeeding well.

Perhaps that is in the end why the Kennedy's had to be killed. They were Elitist but in a Nationalistic sort of way. I dont see Kennedy as an Internationalist though at first glance through the rhetoric he may appear so.

Perhaps nationalism is just another name for loving your community enough to see a wolf at the edge of the village and not mistake it for a bunny rabit.

09-03-2005, 06:13 AM
I mean by the indifference...no devil here...just a human being who needs a little suffering himself to engage his "compassion" part of the brain.
...I think we gain our compassion and strong familial and community bonds through shared suffering and struggle.

I couldn't agree more. Part of the reason why the Illuminati have permitted relative affluence in the West is to cultivate indifference and to disconnect the people from each other. It may be more of a curse than a blessing. You don't see Americans ready to challenge their corrupt authority structure by strapping suicide bombs onto themselves, because they simply aren't suffering that much. Nor do we Westerners appreciate or understand the suffering of others around the world. We are quickly duped into believing the propaganda of our handlers that the poor are just lazy, immoral and generally inferior.
And this isn't a new mindset. It existed back in Christ's day. The Pharisees used it to control people as well, by alienating the public from those whe were really less fortunate, even ostracizing them. I believe that the most powerful chapter in the Bible may be the Gospel of John, Chapter 9:

1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. 4As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

6Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man's eyes. 7"Go," he told him, "wash in the Pool of Siloam" (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

The story goes on to reveal how the Pharisees are actually discomfited by this miracle of Christ, because it shatters the callous illusion they have foisted upon the masses that the suffering and disadvantaged are to be cast aside and reviled as being punished for some great sin; whereas Christ presents them as the ultimate challenge to humanity.
In fact, if you read the chapter through to the end, I would go so far as to say that everything you need to know about life is contained within this story -- if one but has the courage to pursue the lesson.