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09-12-2006, 08:50 PM
"A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine apppearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces" - 13 March 1962

The Document (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf)

truebeliever
09-12-2006, 10:57 PM
Yes.

Lets not forget either the plan to "dress up" a drone to "appear" like an airliner and then blow it up over Cuba.

I am convinced a cruise missile of some kind was "dressed up" this way and flown into the Pentagon.

Stranger
09-13-2006, 12:28 AM
TB, say it aint so. I found you to be one of the more level headed posters.

That argument of a missile hitting the pentagon requires a lot more than blind faith to accept. I know, I know, there are many websites out there that have speculative evidence of a missile (please, no links, I’ve seen them). However, they fail to mention the dozens of eye witnesses that saw a freakin plane fly into the building. No, not illuminati spies, just your average citizens. .

If you want to argue about who flew the plane or who was responsible, then go for it. But please, no more of this missile talk.

This is the part when the over-the-edge conspiracists jump in and try and tear me a new one, be gentle boys, I know I am rocking the paranoid boat.

Bouncer
09-13-2006, 12:40 PM
Right - the extension of this would be a likely scenario regarding domestic targets in the US. In fact, you could substitute WTC for Cuba in this document and it would echo the concerns of many who discovered all of the incongruities surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

Another implication is that, being fully aware of such tactics, our security forces had no excuse to dismiss the warnings leading up to 9/11.

09-13-2006, 02:45 PM
We would know with certainty if they'd simply release the local security camera footage!

truebeliever
09-13-2006, 09:33 PM
This is the part when the over-the-edge conspiracists jump in and try and tear me a new one, be gentle boys, I know I am rocking the paranoid boat.

O.K, i promise i will be gentle. :-)

Firstly, please consult this web site and the links at the top. Dave McGowan - "Centre For An Informed America" (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/) - "September 11, 2001 Revisited: The Series".

Dave has EASILY done the best (and humourous) analysis of the facts.

I've spent alot of time thinking about the Pentagon and I trust you believe me when I say the evidence is clear. No 110 ton Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.

With regards the witnesses. This is obviously a difficult one. Dave has done an excellent job of compiling lists of exactly WHO the witnesses are. Using mainly the excellent work of an Australian guy who's name I cant remember.

Also, witnesses are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. Also, what about the MANY witnesses who DID NOT see a 110 ton Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon? Can they be discounted so easily? :-)

Perhaps my favourite way of discrediting witnesses is the ridiculous claims of many that this 110 ton aircraft travelling at 400knots passed OVER THEIR HEADS at 30ft! Quite simply they would be dead. Can you imagine the jet engine blast and "backwash" from such a large object moving at such a speed? Go to this link (froms Daves site) and see what happens to a vehicle when it strays to close to the jet blast of a 747 engine...Link To Video. (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/simulation.mpeg)

Does this look like the hole a 110 ton 757 would leave?
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/pfireball.jpeg

Do you think the delicate nose section of a commercial aircraft could "neatly" penetrate 5 rings of the reinforced walls of the Pentagon leaving this lovely neat hole?
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/penthole.jpeg

I'll tell you what leaves such a nice round hole. The depleted uranium nose cap of a cruise missile. In fact the media reported the "finding" of the nose of the "aircraft".

Before you say "the engine did it"...wheres the other engine penetration?

In keeping with the "theme" of the thread...the cruise missile was "dressed up" just like they said they would do in the Northwoods document to look like a commercial airliner. Witnesses saw a small aircraft painted to look like a American airlines aircraft. 400 knots and low level did the rest plus the well known desire of witnesses to keep within official versions of events.

Trust me...go through McGowans detailed replies to EVERY point and you will be convinced that NO Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

Here also is the CC thread from a while back addressing the Pentagon attack.:-)

Link To CC Thread On Pentagon Attack. (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2875&forum=24&post_id=24831&PHPSESSID=0f763838851566f9c1679fb3b6886b4b#forumpo st24831)

09-13-2006, 09:48 PM
There is nothing paranoid about speaking the obvious. The images say it all. The average American just can't believe that their government would do such a thing even though they did.

truebeliever
09-13-2006, 10:20 PM
There is nothing paranoid about speaking the obvious. The images say it all. The average American just can't believe that their government would do such a thing even though they did.

Indeed. It took me a year to look into the Pentagon! I heard for ages how it was a truck bomb or whatever. I said to myself.."crap, how would they get away with it"?

Ha ha ha ha...the bigger the lie...as Hitler said. Regarding the lying of International Jewery by the way but attributed to him as describing himself.:-)

09-14-2006, 05:35 AM
http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise3b/american_airlines_flight_77/thewebfairy_com_killtown_aa77.jpg

09-14-2006, 05:52 AM
http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise3b/american_airlines_flight_77/hidetheevidence_of_cruisemissile.jpg

09-14-2006, 06:06 AM
I'm sure this has been covered already but... ever hear of a Rapid Wall Breaching Kit (http://www.pentagonresearch.com/091.html)?

http://www.rense.com/general70/066-large.jpg

truebeliever
09-14-2006, 08:40 PM
You can do it with a bit of mining explosive (Power Gel) all by yourself, just as effectively. We used to pack it around giant rocks and split them apart perfectly around the packing point.

True, the guys making a fair comment. Interesting.

It does cloud the issue a little. I dont have the time to post pics but a D.U nose cap can make a nice hole to.

It seems an AWFUL complication to the plan. :-)

Stranger
09-14-2006, 10:59 PM
I knew you guys would not let me off easy, that’s one thing I like about the site :-)

The average American just can't believe that their government would do such a thing even though they did.

That could be the case for myself, I'll have to ponder that a bit.

I find myself agreeing more with this fellow, not an expert, but grounded. Interesting point of view he shares.
http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/herbs_2nd_9-11_simulation.html


I've driven by the Pentagon a few times. The main expressway runs right by it and there is heavy traffic, the plane threw over it I believe just before impact. There are witness in cars (which were pushed around by the force of the plane) that saw the aircraft hit it. For me, that is factual, the evidence on the other side, no matter how compelling, is circumstantial.

You know, I really do think there are people called "terrorist" that truly want to kill others in the name of Allah. Sometimes we try and outsmart ourselves saying “this explaination it is not creative enough” then we allow ourselves to expand rational boundaries of our mind in order to come up with a more intellecutual conclusion. I not saying the U.S. government is honest and forthright by any means, but after weighting all the info, I believe we do have a religious war going on. Oh crap, I don’t sound like Kissinger do I?

truebeliever
09-15-2006, 03:25 AM
I find myself agreeing more with this fellow, not an expert, but grounded. Interesting point of view he shares.

Please troll through the Dave McGowan site. He goes through the various claims FOR a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon and pulls them to bits one by one.

I note the site you gave overlays a pic of a 757 over the collapsed facade of the Pentagon...from this we are led to believe that all is well. The key is the original photo shoing that nice neat hole and even INTACT windows next to it. NO 110 ton 757 does that. It was a cruise missile dressed up as a commercial airliner. Thats what witnesses saw...an american airlines paint scheme travelling at 400 knots at low level. I have no problem with it and the historical record including the Northwoods document has no problem with it.

For me, that is factual, the evidence on the other side, no matter how compelling, is circumstantial.

NO! That is a big no no. Any court ANYWHERE will follow the physical evidence before eye witness accounts. It is an uncontested court room fact that eye witnesses are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable and the desire to go along with "official versions" of events well documented.

You are also quick to discount the eye witnesses who claim a "small aircraft" hit the Pentagon. What of these witnesses?

You know, I really do think there are people called "terrorist" that truly want to kill others in the name of Allah. Sometimes we try and outsmart ourselves saying “this explaination it is not creative enough” then we allow ourselves to expand rational boundaries of our mind in order to come up with a more intellecutual conclusion. I not saying the U.S. government is honest and forthright by any means, but after weighting all the info, I believe we do have a religious war going on. Oh crap, I don’t sound like Kissinger do I?

You're quite right. Sometimes a cigar is just a gigar but often (more often) it is a covert op run by the Western Intelligence Agencies to con the population into submission to a powerful state run by a few powerful people and Round Table Groups. :-)

Indeed their ARE Islamic terrorists who want to kill Westerners. The C.I.A and others have been pouring money into the various extremist run Madrahsas (Islamic schools) for years through Saudi and Pakistani links. Before you can scare your population you better create the new enemy just like they funded and babysat Communism through all it's ups and downs.

"Ya all gotta think like the CIA...white is black and black is white". Jim Garrison.