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GoodKnight
11-28-2004, 01:20 PM
A big problem for the anti-NWO camp seems to be the lack of unity. We are often all too quick to attack each other for some kind of imaginary departure from "ideological purity".

For example, I am 100% against abortion, but from a secular human rights perspective. I am often challenged by our religious brothers and sisters over this supposed failing, but the sad thing is that we share the same goal.

This is almost a metaphor for the problems that befall those of us who have cottoned on to our leaders' true intentions. It seems that the elite's tactic of divide and rule is working well in our midst.

What we need to do is realise that our freedom is too important to risk by engaging in distracting sideshows amongst ourselves.

The puppet masters are counting on us being unable to unite to oppose their nefarious plans. Let's show them how wrong they are....unite and win!

TerraNovan
11-28-2004, 02:56 PM
Hey GoodKnight,

I hear you loud and clear. I am a Christian, but when I discuss the NWO with others, I try to keep my personal religious beliefs out of the discussion, staying within the parameters of logic and reason (not to imply that my Christian beliefs are not logical nor reasoned). It's hard enough to get someone to listen to you in regards to this issue and have them not think of you as a wacko; throw God and Satan into the mix and people will think you're a religious wacko. Take abortion, for example. My opposition to abortion doesn't only stem from my religious views, but from my use of logic and reason. It is murder anyway you cut it. One needn't be religious to see the logic. It is the same with homosexuality.

Many religious people see their role as evangelisers, and when they encounter someone who sees the moral rot in our society but yet does not see "the light" in regards to religion, they take it as a personal affront. I have been guilty of this in the past, but as I have aged, I have realised that it is an individual endeavour to come to the Lord.

Let's fight the good fight, and not each other.

Cheers,

TerraNovan

falcon
11-28-2004, 07:16 PM
I too am Christian and thus anti abortion. However, I am also anti-Darwin/Evolution and a proponent of Creationism. Now without delving into a debate about these two sides I ask if Evolution, like abortion/homosexual/women's rights, is an instrument being used by the elite to keep us down. Think about it, they can easily use evolution to support the idea that humans are merely apes but more intelligent; this degrades the value of humanity and makes it easier for the elite to take away our absolute morals!!!! We need to recognize the beauty of humanity, not degrade it.

GoodKnight
11-28-2004, 11:07 PM
Good and reasoned replies to my post. I respect your beliefs 100%. The important thing is that we are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder when the decisive moment arrives, for example when the elite start micro-chipping us all. I see that as the final way of enslaving humanity, and you probably see it as the same thing plus eternal damnation as per Revelation.

I have to be honest and admit that I'm not closed to Bible-believing Christianity. I'm just put off by a lot of those who claim to be Christians, such as the esteemed Prez Dubya (note of sarcasm in voice here!) :-)

Once again, thank you for your responses.

TerraNovan
11-28-2004, 11:58 PM
I'm just put off by a lot of those who claim to be Christians, such as the esteemed Prez Dubya (note of sarcasm in voice here!) :-)

Once again, thank you for your responses.

Many so-called Christians aren't what they claim to be. George W. Bush is definitely not one. He hasn't said nor done anything that would identify himself as a Christian. The "god" that speaks to him, in my absolutely correct opinion, is Lucifer, and he is preparing the way for that Liar. And a good job he is doing.

TerraNovan

rangergord
11-29-2004, 01:24 AM
It really comes down to accepting differences while pursuing goals.

Ahmad
11-29-2004, 06:33 AM
Peace all,

Yes indeed we need to get united, but the question is who?

I believe that the struggle starts from within, the spiritual warfare that is going in the world today is but a parallel to an invisible warefare inside each one of us. Satan has invisible messengers called (the Jinn beings) each one of us has a companion in the same body, who entices him continously to get over (or under) attached to things and people, Satan uses the visible elements of life (things and people) to bind us all in slavery, thus he wouldn't need a microchip to enslave everybody, the majority are already serving him.

Those who are bound by money and power (our leaders) are on the same side as the average citizen who is bound by his lust and sinful desires (women, alcohol, gambling...etc) or any kind of obsession or addiction, in short anything that distracts you from the truth, righteousness and ultimately God.

If we are ever to get united, we need to reach a common ground, Quran lays this common ground, please reflect on the folloowing words from God:

[3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."

Thus we have to free ourselves first from the schakles of enslavement (some idolize Jesus, some idolize their scholars, some idolize Muhammad and the rest idolize their sinful lusts), isn't it about time that we break free and be God-centered again, where is our reverence of the Creator!, and without such a reverence, why would God help us against Satan?

JillyBean
11-29-2004, 07:50 AM
I agree in order to get anything done we need a united front. However this is not an easy task if people will not sacrifice initially (giving up the money they currently have) for freedom. If you ask people to give away their money that requires going back in time say 100 years to no electricity, growing your own food and doing barter and trade methods.

freeman
11-29-2004, 02:09 PM
The important thing is that we are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder when the decisive moment arrives

Yes, that sums it up. We must achieve the same level of unity as the NWO and its lower-level flunkies (Freemasons, Jesuits, Zionists, etc.) have been able to wield collectively against each and every one of us. Even though they squabble amongst themselves (the current Bush/Europe rift may or may not be a pertinent example), they are always unified in their oppression of the "profane goyim".
We must be just as unified and resolute in our opposition to them.
This will be a long, slow and difficult process, since as Dr. Makow observes, the forces of evil have had a long time to perfect this scam, but a forum like this where thoughts, information and ideas are exchanged is a valuable start.
I also believe that eventually mankind will unite in worship of a true God of love and spirtual beauty, and that most major religions of the world stress this ultimate objective. Ironically, Satan usurps everything to his advantage; therefore, the monotheism espoused by the NWO is actually a perversion of God's true plan for us. A world ruled not by God, but Lucifer, disguising himself as the Prince of Light. As the Bible tells us, the very elect will be deceived by this duplicity.
Our only defense is to follow Christ's teaching: "Ye shall know them by their works."
When exposing NWO and Iluminati charlatans, I have found it most useful to ignore the rhetoric and dogma and focus on the end result. No matter how cleverly disguised, an evil tree does not bear good fruit.

Pete
11-29-2004, 02:39 PM
We need to unite??????????? And how are we going to do that? The truth is that we don't need to do any sort of formal uniting, as in a formal organization. That would only become infiltrated and co-opted anyways.

When I was living in California, and Comrade Pete Wilson(then Governor, an alledged "conservative" and a Republican) boosted the sales tax to some terrible new high. There was a rally that turned out at the Federal Building in Westwood. It was amazing, the number of people that turned out. I tried to put something together back then, two years earlier in 1989 (the time frame I am speaking of here is 1991) and I had trouble getting a few dozen people to turn out. When I put my thing together in 89, some petitioners turned up to take advantage. They were attempting to turn my phuq the income tax rally into a referendum for term limits. In 1991, when thousands turned out to say phuq comrade Pete Wilson and phuq his sales tax increase, the petitioners turned up again. This time they were pitching "end the federal income tax" and were circulating a petition, which had nothing to do with ending ANY tax, but, rather had to do with a petition FOR a NATIONAL SALES TAX. Now thats something that Im sure politicians can get behind. Of course, there are always people with big bux paying the petitioners, today's political equivalent of the Hessian mercenaries who fought with the Redcoats.

Phuq formally uniting. The trick is to fight the war of the flea. United, we would be nothing more than a poodle attempting to take on a big mean German Shepard. But how well would the German Shepard do while being bitten simultaniously by a few hundred thousand fleas?

The only "uniting" that really needs to happen is in sharing information, especially with respect to finding enemy areas of weakness. When a pressure point is found, pressure should be applied unmercifully.

One such issue is social security and entitlements. Personally, I don't believe that govt. should be involved in any of that, period. But, the fact is that they are. And part of the NWO plan is the merger of social security systems. Just as the Citizens of the then 48 States had their Citizenship effectively federalized via social security, if they participated (vast majority did then and still do, most believe that participation is mandatory)
the next move will be to internationalize citizenship via merged socialist slavestate entitlement programs. In the meantime, I doubt that anyone here approaching retirement wants to hear about his social security taxes being used to pay for Pedro in Paraguay. I believe that this issue can be used and is a possible pressure point. There are lots of others as well.


Pete

remowus
11-29-2004, 02:55 PM
I know a lot of "Christians". None of whom follow the precepts they espouse. They seem to be in it for the money.

Freeda
11-29-2004, 04:59 PM
I have great respect for people who live by the Bible, however, I never met any.

nemo
11-30-2004, 05:32 AM
Hi Pete -

You are bang on there. Formally uniting merely gives them a 'formal' target to infiltrate and destroy from within. I like the picture of nibbling them to despair via 100,000 fleas. :lol:

Staying awake, sharing information and engaging in these discussions is a tremedously effective way of raising the consciousness on these issues. By default, people here at this forum are already involved in the process of becoming ever more awake to what is occurring right now. However, the vast majority of the TV, mind bombed population haven't a clue - they don't even know that they don't know.

But I remain very positive at this time. I see more and more instances of people beginning to question what is really going on. That process needs to be accelerated and amplified. We all play a part in doing that through our communication.

I maintain that a key area in all this is the money system. It is the hub of the entire control system. Finding simple, stimulating and effective ways to communicate about the money system is what I am most focussed on. Once a person sees that all the money we use is debt and that should everyone pay off their debts then all the money we use would disappear, you then have a basis for change.

GoodKnight
11-30-2004, 01:39 PM
Phuq formally uniting

Hi Pete

I didn't mean "unite" in the sense of forming some kind of club with membership cards, etc!

What I was alluding to was the need to focus on what we have in common rather than our differences.

The sharing of information is certainly a worthy goal in itself. My main point was that when we share information, we shouldn't trade barbs with each other because of perceived differences. We should be as objective as it's possible to be in this field. And don't forget, the more objective we sound, the more credible we are to people whose eyes are ready to be opened to what is going on around us all.

I'm sure many of you will agree that the best alternative news sites out there are the ones that get to the point in clear and unambigious language. We should be striving to make clear to the corporate news and media whores that questioning their version of reality isn't just the preserve of those they would label fruitcakes.

And finally, I think there are many people out there in the "undecided" or "unaware" camps who are likely to respond to intelligent and logical reasoning from "our side". We need to address these folks with warmth and respect.

We can discuss and vigorously debate our differences amongst ourselves, but we would do well to remember that some people can be put off by infighting - people that might otherwise be able to contribute to the wealth of alternative ideas and original thinking that exists out there.

evergreen
12-01-2004, 05:35 PM
Refering to petes idea of fighting the war of a flea, I refuse to take an airplane and drive for my vacations now. Dont like to be searched.

JillyBean
12-02-2004, 09:12 AM
evergreen wrote:
Refering to petes idea of fighting the war of a flea, I refuse to take an airplane and drive for my vacations now. Dont like to be searched.

I will not fly anymore either because of those horrible ways of doing body searches.

As far as the flea thing though doesn't the flea actually have to jump deep into the animals fur in order to get to irritate it?

thokhanCep
12-03-2004, 01:43 AM
Unification is a great stride in the right direction. Its happening all over the place mainly by the internet. Have you ever heard of the internet 2? Or their constant babble that the internet needs to be restricted due to "terrorism"? "They" give examples like terrorist hackers shutting down power plants and the like. Pure nonsense. But if the majority of people actually think this is a threat than thats the downfall. WE need to pressure MP's (congressmen in the states) and any local politicians who are not wolves in sheeps clothing to enact laws that would protect our safe haven a k a The internet. If you have knowledge of the silly games played by the NWO types where its problem - reaction - solution .. Once we see the problem THATS the time to act. Thats when we react into full hold the bullshit mode. Create our own solution without losing any rights or services in the process.

The only problem fighting these false society engineers is the fact that WE go to school or jobs to better our life .. They did the same and now have taken a turn for the worse, Usually making our lives more restricted.
They have little scenario's set up and played out to further tighten the tourniquet around freedoms throat.

SO if you start to see a pattern tell people, We should have a Forum for suspected NWO freedom targets.

I read eagles anti-propaganda post ... I love it .. Use their own game against them. We should put webSites on all the money bills .. start telling people that this strange group are putting secrets on money and that a new age is coming . ah ha .. yeah

P.E.A.C.E. =
Positive Energy Activates Constant Elevation

Johnny_Reb
12-03-2004, 04:09 AM
formally uniting. The trick is to fight the war of the flea. United, we would be nothing more than a poodle attempting to take on a big mean German Shepard. But how well would the German Shepard do while being bitten simultaniously by a few hundred thousand fleas?


Quite frankly, the only chance we have is to unite. The analogy of the flea works well if you're talking about guerilla warefare, but I doubt seriously any of us want to see it come to that. We had the opportunity, this year, to break the back of the two party system, but due to a lack of unity it did not happen. Should all of the real conservatives, not the pseudo-cons, that have left the republi-Con party for real conservative 3rd partys (I'm including the Libertarian party here too since they are far more conservative than the republi-Rats join forces and work to get one real conservative 3rd party candidate elected, it could have one of several desirable outcomes. Of course the most desirable outcome would be the 3rd party candidate would win, even though that is probably not likely. The second outcome, which is not only likely (if we had all the real conservative 3rd parties working to get a real conservative president and vice president elected) but probable, would be to deny the demo-Rats and republi-Rats enough votes to have a clear majoity, and hopefully throw the election outcome to the House. Were this to happen, it would force people to take 3rd partys seriously, and hopefully in the next election a real conservative could be elected. Regardless it would seriously discredit the two (really only one, it's just perceived as two) party system. Another potentially positive effect it could have would be to hopefully expose the fraud of the unverifiable computer voting. If enough people voted in support of a 3rd party candidate, as would be possible were the various 3rd partys cooperating, and the results of the computerized voting were in distinct opposition to exit polls, then maybe the brain dead public might wake up enough to ask the question why is there such a disparity (that may be wishful thinking, but if there was enough demonstrated support of a 3rd party candidate in areas where there is still verifiable voting done, it might happen, especially if exit polls were consistant with the areas where it is still possible to verify votes). There are probably many more desirable outcomes of more unity, but those are just a few I thought of real quick. Prehaps the biggest obsticle to more unity is the agent provocateur, and I know from experience that there are plenty of them in the various 3rd partys, and they are there to prevent 3rd partys from succeding by stirring up dissention within whichever party they happen to "belong" to. I've watched one 3rd party with a lot of potential self distruct due to dissention from within, and I'm 100% positive that republi-Rats, and possibley govt. employees working as agent provocateurs were the cause of it.

evergreen
12-07-2004, 09:33 AM
Johnny_Reb I agree a third strong party could do a lot from my vantage point here in new york it seems way off if ever in the future. People here are either ingrained democrat clinton types or fake wall street type republicans. so for me i only see not participating in the game. the flea theory could work here in a small way i think.

nohope187
12-11-2004, 08:07 PM
We need to unite? Wonder Twin Powers Activate!
Shizzzaaaaaaaaaaam! :-P

sablefish
12-11-2004, 09:48 PM
We need to unite to do what?.. The voting is rigged in every country in the world that calls itself a democracy.. Our public representatives don't give a damn about us.. The only thing governments understand is people up in arms.. which means guns in their hands.. The only thing that can stop the U.S. and the U.K. from creating a global nightmare ten times worse than Hitler on steroids.. is for the people to gather a million nongovernmental employees with rifles on their shoulders and converge on Washington DC and London, and demand their Government back from the traitors that pretend to represent us..

These governments do not listen to hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors that were against the invasion of Iraq.. These governments will only listen to the call of arms by the citizenry.

Unfortunately most of the citizens have been dumbed down to the level of a box of rocks.. and get their paychecks from the government... Also the Mainstream press has been taken over by these same governments..

The way to solve the problem its to first defame the national press as liars.. by protests in front of all the newspaper, and T.V. stations.. They are the main traitors to not only their profession as journalists, but to the American, and British publics that they spread the government lies to.. and their job to expose government fraud and injustice.. Let the press be the first to feel the wrath of public displeasure.

nebgreen
12-13-2004, 10:37 AM
You know, I've always been in my own internal conflict when it comes to the issue of violence vs. non-violence concerning the fight for liberty. Yes, we indeed need to unite and fight, but how? I must admit that despite my own misgivings about guns and violence, I have had questions in my own mind as to whether or not "non-violence" really works that well.

SableFish, you are absolutely dead-on about those in power and how they could give two and a half rats' asses about the people marching and participating in mass demonstrations. I always tell my vegetarian-enviromentalist-peace, love, and happiness co-worker that what worked in 1968 simply doesn't work anymore. I often tell peace people that "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten", but these people, like the creatures of habit we all are to some extent, insist that non-violence is the one and only way to peace (these people are also pro-gun control). I am not at all suggesting that we use guns/violence as THE way to "git 'er done", but that we look at it as A way.

The point I guess I'm trying to make is that those who care about gaining true liberty need to focus on getting creative and getting the job done. The peace movement has several strikes against it, namely that it insists on the principal that if we do this march-and-carry-signs business long enough, they'll change. This is nothing more than what I call Political Co-dependency. Another strike against them is their argument that if we carry guns and actually use them, "they'll just retaliate, and then there'll be chaos". This argument is anile, because as we all know, those in power will retaliate EVEN IF WE PRACTICE NON-VIOLENCE. They're GOING TO retaliate no matter what.

As the old saying goes, "Insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, but expect a different result". If Liberty is going to succeed, we need to step out of the box and use our God-given creativity.

666
12-13-2004, 12:01 PM
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The important thing is that we are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder when the decisive moment arrives, for example when the elite start micro-chipping us all.

Micro-chipping the whole world will be a piece
of cake for the NWO. These people KNOW what
they are doing and have EXCELLED in selling the world BS for centuries.

They test market everything before a mass roll
out takes place.

For example in Mexico, to be permitted to join
the most exclusive branch of government you
HAVE to take the chip. Because the positions
are extremely desirable, taking the chip is seen
as a very desirable event.

Eventually they will require this if you
want to work for the government period ... then
the best companies then if you want to work
at all.

Slowly but surely everybody will be ensnared
in the web.

remowus
12-13-2004, 03:22 PM
They have already started. Screening for mental health deficiency by the pharma companies and in 2005 all new borns will have to get a SSN in order to get their drugs.
Even although this is unconstitutional.
But the sheeple are letting them do it.
The stockprice of Vaseline is rising.
I wonder why?

BvL
12-14-2004, 09:40 PM
falcon wrote:
I too am Christian and thus anti abortion. However, I am also anti-Darwin/Evolution and a proponent of Creationism. Now without delving into a debate about these two sides I ask if Evolution, like abortion/homosexual/women's rights, is an instrument being used by the elite to keep us down. Think about it, they can easily use evolution to support the idea that humans are merely apes but more intelligent; this degrades the value of humanity and makes it easier for the elite to take away our absolute morals!!!! We need to recognize the beauty of humanity, not degrade it.

You may be interested in what LaRouche has to say. His followers have done a lot of research into the history of Darwin et al and it traces back to the British Royal Society and something called Malthusianism. I therefore thought you may find this collection of links interesting.

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/poppt.htm

Max
12-16-2004, 11:48 AM
Here's my take-- we do need to unite our efforts but not have a central authority- it will be corrupted. As we all know, we all must THINK on our own. We must all be independent "freedom cells" :-D with a common cause- we can share tactics.

As for violence vs. non-violence - We have the truth on our side, we just need to expose it.

I like sablefishs comment on starting with the media. It's important too that we educate the police and military.

marypopinz
12-16-2004, 01:28 PM
Party politics is a bad game game. This is how the media will deny a grass roots voice in Nova Scotia. Slander you in the media if you speak too loud. They try and discredit you to lamestream.

Next, if you have the gumption to create a party with enough members, you will not be allowed to any media functions as they are only for lamestream parties.

They character assasinate at a local level. It's politics - the oldest religion in the world - controlling people through fear.

And if you break that barrier, you will be amalgamated into party politique a la corruptionne.

These are hell's angels. They are mafia. They wear suits and ties and they they are doctors and lawyers and land developers.

This is organized crime we are dealing with folks... do not be fooled. They import drugs, distribute drugs, they launder money, steal from the public coofers and deposit in the Bank of Lichenstein and the Swiss Bank and the Bank of Naru.

We are dealing with orgainzed crime who are running the show around my parts. And the average Nova Scotian person is nice. The media is not so nice and will propagate lie after lie. They are instilling racial hatred and sexual misconduct to our youth as we speak. Watch "Family guy" or Southpark lately? FILTH and SMUT in a cartoon for "adults" or kids?

I like public demonstrations. Especially against the media. I often sing politically incorrect songs outside our only mainstream newspaper propaganda printing press. It's on a road with loads of bars and lots of people stop to talk. I think was has them curious is I don't accept cash. I just want to be heard.

Public demonstartions or public organization is what they downplay, because it scares them.... There are sooooooooooooooooo many of us. They raise the awareness of many more of the public. Even thogh we know the powers that be will ignore us and hopefully not percieve us as the real threat we are - enlightening the public to question what they "know".

Picturs on posters is most effective - a man carrying a broken child in a war torn country. In advertising the key is - keep it simple stupid. Less is more.

Democracy MIA (missing in action) Anything... just the ugly truth. The truth of Western society is becoming quite an ugly situation that warrants discussion. I had a chat with my dentist about it today. Pass the message... questioning is good!

This is an easy concept to plant in the sheeple just walking down the street wearing a t-shirt. a million littles fleas going right to the heart of the matter - the truth! Put the URL on the money

My two cents
Mary XXX

nebgreen
12-20-2004, 01:13 AM
What we need, ultimately, is leaderless resistance. Conspicuous leaders are an excellent way for resistance movements to be KILLED OFF, or at least infiltrated. Operating in cell groups, thinking up creative ways to nail the system to a tree, is the way to get things done.

We need to think OUTSIDE OF the violence vs. non-violence argument and start thinking about plum gettin' the job done. I am not saying we should react thoughtlessly and without consideration for the lives and property of INNOCENT people, but that we should do whatever it takes to get these government people to understand that WE ARE NOT BLUFFING. Ultimately, it comes down to brainstorming, talking it over, comparing notes, coming to a consensus amongst ourselves, thinking up good covert methods of destroying the system, and coming to the aid of fellow resisters as much as we can and as much as our resources allow.

Yes, I think that as seperate elements, we can accomplish much more than if we advertise ourselves so that they can blow us away much easier. It's going to have to be secretive and silent, striking at the virus with all we've got.

The dream must stay alive!!!

marypopinz
12-20-2004, 06:40 AM
I'd say the virus needs a virus.

Anti-corruption software that targets all governments systems...knock em' out!

It'll happen, sooner or later... they'll shoot themselves in the foot for the world to see and it will be the people putting the satanist government and their pedophile minions in the gulags they've been building.

They've built their own coffin in my mind and hell is for eternity... it's just a matter of time.

There are so many good honest blind sheeple, and they're wakin' up.

Mary XXX

nebgreen
12-27-2004, 01:38 PM
One thing the peace and anti-government coalitions need to understand is that leaderless resistance is the way to go. Having central organizers and out-in-the-open planning might as well be like painting a target on oneself. Planning, organizing, and executing must be covert and underground, out of the sight of centralized power. Plus, the peace and anti-government coalitions must learn preventative measures to ensure against the infiltration of agents provocateur and spies.

Resistance is NOT going to come from working within the system, and in some cases, from within the country itself. It is said that changing a government/nation-state is often easier when one does not live in that nation-state. Many are leaving the US for other shores, but unfortunately, most are so well-off that they can do so, leaving the poor and disenfranchised behind to suffer the brunt of oppression as usual. Those not so lucky must be organized into a bloc of resistance cells and trained in militant tactics.

One more last and effective resort is the general strike. Shutting down businesses for a week or more has been shown to be especially effective.

Nebgreen :-x

madkhao
01-05-2005, 11:36 AM
Start at page one. :-x

jay
01-05-2005, 03:29 PM
So violence is counter-productive to what we want. But anti-violence doesn't get respect. What to do? If you read the Unabombers Manifesto, you will see that he has some good ideas. But he resorted to violence because he felt it was the only way to get attention...Of course the media makes you believe he is crazy and don't listen to him. Stop paying your taxes until the government officials are reduced to your place in this class system. They openly admit they don't care. They just use different words.