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get_real
03-19-2005, 09:32 AM
HELLO EVERYONE:

Yesterday morning our county and the two north of us were immediately informed of little Jessica Lunsford. Here body was found.

Also, Terry Schiavo's tube has been removed.

the two articles probably won't be on front page by 1pm today, because there is an afternoon addition of the paper.

But if you want to read the two articles, you
can at www.stpetetimes.com

marypopinz
03-19-2005, 09:47 AM
Did he want his tube taken out? Was he able to make that request?

Sex offenders free and not on the loose as the media would pretend is a more common occurrence than folks would care to a appreciate. I understand that new news. Not.

But the feeding tube I would appreciate your perspective on.

Thanx

get_real
03-19-2005, 10:03 AM
Terry's husband Michael Shiavo had once said that he and his wife (Terry) were discussing this very same thing, -- that if anything were to happen (like this to her), she would not want to be kept alive.????

There is no living will.

Even other doctors have voiced that there should have been continuity of therapy/rehab.

Someone I know actually saw Ms. Terry Shiavo, and she responds with her eyes. When you speak to her, she is very aware of dialoque to the point that again she batters her eyelids. Her mother claims that Terry was able (is able) to squeeze someone's hand. And as the article states, she is able to her even a wisper.

Though she is paralyzed, how can you shut life off from someone who sees and understands people when they are looking and speaking to her.

I don't know how this constitutes being in a coma stage.

I couldn't pull the plug, or take out a tube on anyone that has that awareness. That is not brain dead.

DarkChilde3D
03-20-2005, 07:55 PM
Take a look at it from Teryy's point of view . . . she used to be a vibrant, beautiful girl . . . a very capable woman. And, in her point of view, in the blink of an eye . . . that all changed. She became (and I don't say the following in it's context to be cruel, it would be my point of view of myself if the same thing happened) a blithering shell of her former self. I would want to die, myself. She wasn't going to get better. Now if you couldn't react to any of the world around you . . . you'd be living life as though you were watching TV. Would YOU want to live like that? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm praying for Terry's soul . . . I hope you all do the same.

Although I'm Italian, I find comfort in my memories of the deceased with this traditional Gaelic blessing . . . and you have to hear it the way my former church's choior sand it in order for the song to move THROUGH you . . . but this is the best I can do.

May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face; the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

get_real
03-21-2005, 08:40 AM
Hey Darkchilde:

Thanks for your response to the initial post of thread.
I guess, we all have our views depending on how well we know our own wants and our family's wants.
With this case, the mom and dad wanted a little more than for their daughter to be placed in a facility without any therapy/rehab. At least that is what is known about their wants around our county-Pinellas.
But, with her being legally married to her husband, he is then her immediate voice.

I myself will be in touch with an attorney to have all my wishes put in writing. I will not have anyone to take care of me, so I must do the right thing now and make my decisions.

But then again, if it were my relative (sister, brother) I would want to give everything a shot.

This is indeed a difficult matter for people to simply come up with an answer for someone alive and not being able to vocalize.

But from what I read yesterday, the tube might go back in----again, and again.

buckshotBill
03-21-2005, 10:54 AM
people discard people everyday, doesn't matter if you are in a coma or not

they do this through ignorance, hate, separation

this applies to all states of a human ill or non-ill

nohope187
03-21-2005, 08:43 PM
Many doctors have reported that Terry could recover somewhat through rehab/therapy which Michael had chosen to deny to Terry 10 or 15 years ago because he wanted her to die as he has a girlfriend and had two children with her. I hope I never meet the dude. I'd kick his ass. I would make sure he feels pain for the rest of his life. :evil:

DarkChilde3D
03-22-2005, 12:11 AM
unfortunately, the choices he made 10 to 15 years ago do not matter at this particular moment in time. I'm talking about humanity in and of itself . . . as well as dignity of the one afflicted. Let her be free. Her own body is her prison right now . . . and as long as she lives on THIS earth, it will be as such.

And buckshot . . . you're absolutely right . . . sometimes we have reasons for discarding certain people. This does not mean those reasons are right . . . but nobody, save for God, is perfect.

nohope187
03-22-2005, 02:14 PM
Actually DC, the choices made 10-15 years ago still apply now. I disagree with the notion that Terry is brain dead. She recognizes her parents and brother, she smiles and blinks when she sees them. Nurses on afidavet have been able to feed her without the tube. Terry isn't bound to the bed, she's been propped up in a chair numerous times before. This clearly does not sound like someone who is incapable of recovery. The state is killing her through starvation. Criminals are at least given lethal injection. What's happening now to Terry is death by torture administered by the State. So where does it stop from there. How are useless eaters determined and by whom? I only see another usurpation of power by the State on this. If Terry dies by gross State negligence, which she most likely will, the facade of freedom in Amerika is fuckin' over, man! There's no turning back now. :-?

nohope187
03-22-2005, 08:18 PM
nohope187 wrote:
If Terry dies by gross State negligence, which she most likely will, the facade of freedom in Amerika is fuckin' over, man! :-?
Actually, gross State malfeasance is a more accurate discription. No wait, Overt Criminally Sadistic Affliction by the motherfucking State! :-P

DarkChilde3D
03-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Okay . . . I see what you mean, no_hope . . . but lets forget about the rest of the world for the time being. Lets forget about the decisions made 10-15 years ago.

Lets look at what Terry is facing right now.

She can't move, save for blinking and smiling and swallowing. She can't go out for a simple walk in the park. She can't go to the bathroom by herself. she can't bathe herself. For the most part . . . the only thing she is doing right now, as cruel as it sounds, is providing money to a hospital, doctors, and tax collectors. Her parents want her to live, and I'm sure I know why. No parent wants to outlive their kids. This is just human nature. But the parents, as well as congress, the hospital and the doctors are being selfish. If Terry was a fully functioning adult, neither the government or the hospital or the doctors would give 2 shits about her, becasue she's not drawing money into the system. That's why congress is getting involved. It must be costing the insurance company 20,000 per day to keep her alive. That's enough to keep 5 floors of nurses and doctors paid for (salary).

What people should ask themselves is . . . if you were in her position RIGHT NOW . . . how would you feel? If it were me, I'd like to die. Most people who would want to live through this, would be worried about what's on the other side. People whose consiences are not yet clear . . . who have a fear of going to hell for the things they have done in their life would want to stay here as long as possible to try to make up for these wrongs.

NOW, HAS ANYONE ASKED TERRY WHAT THE FUCK SHE WANTS? I think that she should have the final say so . . . not the husband, not the parents, not the doctors, and as for the government, what the fuck do they care?

nohope187
03-22-2005, 09:07 PM
The govt. stands to gain if she dies from starvation/dehydration because that opens the door to killing off others who are seen as useless-eaters. Michael Schiavo stands to gain from her death cuz he gets the 20 mil. The hospice that she's staying at stands to gain because they'll then have another bed for a paying customer. This whole case riddled with corruption.

DarkChilde3D
03-23-2005, 03:25 AM
Yeah, I guess you're right . . . but a bird in hand is worth two in the bush . . . she's a 'sure thing' . . . Ah, I don't care anymore. I just hope that she dies before her soul becomes bitter from all this shit going on about her. These demons we have in government prolly won't let her die until she's pissed off at God for her situation, anyhow.

KEEP THE FAITH, TERRY! GOD LOVES YOU!

nohope187
03-23-2005, 04:00 PM
Well of course Terri's feeling unbearable pain right now because she's dying of starvation and dehydration. This is her sixth day without food or water. It looks like those who want her death will get their wish soon enough. :-(
Why stop at Terri, why not kill off everyone in currently residing in a hospice or insane asylum?
Shit, why stop there? Why not kill off everyone with disabilities and even people over age 65? We already live in a society where we sacrifice our kids on the alter of convenience, so Terri must not matter. Fucking goulish society! It's Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany all over again. :evil: