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08-27-2007, 03:05 PM
The body of work an artist produces matters as it relates to the charts.

The music mobsters don't finance losers no matter what their body of work contains.

They didn't pay Springsteen millions of dollars over the next ten years not expecting to reap great reward from one of their biggest cash cows.

Like I've said, I'm sure it's written in his contract that this sum of money promised to him is based on sales; CD, tours and otherwise.

To the Springsteen fanatics, it seems to matter immensely as to where Springsteen rates in the charts.

For you not to understand why it matters to Springsteen fanatics, is for you not to comprehend that to THEM he is THE BOSS, he is their LEADER, he is their HERO.

A LEADER, a HERO and a BOSS, to THEM, requires popularity not only in the world they live in which is Bruceworld, but throughout the world.

They want everyone else to worship him as they do.

This validates their obsession with him.

Otherwise, they might just realize what FOOLS they are.

I'm sure, Springsteen, the media and music industry darling will be recognized in some form or fashion in order to remain upon his pedestal.

They can also say an album sold a whole lot more than it did, you know!

08-27-2007, 03:32 PM
It appears the "Unholy Bruce" thread is gone from BTX's Promised Land.

I thought I posted the link here, but I can't seem to find it.

I wonder why they deleted it?

Any thoughts?

I do hope there was some copy and paste going on in addition to what I've supplied here.

Not necessary, but preferable.

08-27-2007, 04:39 PM
As for Bruce Springsteen, whatever life delivers to him is his problem and not mine.

08-27-2007, 06:21 PM
Oh, look, here's an explanation as to whom Unholy Bruce was and why he and his thread have MAGICALLY disappeared.

I wonder why the site administrators allowed him to impersonate Springsteen. He certainly didn't show any respect toward Springsteen's wife and/or his fans. He spoke with a "potty mouth," foul-mouth. I wonder why none Springsteen's dedicated, protective fans notified the administration any sooner.

Usually when someone comes on the board and criticizes Springsteen's music or his wife, they attack them immediately.

Well, not so much when it comes to Patti's voice.

I guess this was different because Unholy Bruce wasn't attacking, his conversations for the most part were sexual with several references to his penis; description of one of Springsteen and Scialfa's sexual fantasies; how Patti has her pu**sy on lock-down.

One poster commented that he must have been horny all of the time during the Tunnel of Love tour.

He said, if she remembered correctly, they sang Adam Raised a Cain alot about his father and it wouldn't have been proper to have a stiffy.

He even mentioned Springsteen's son, Evan.

Takes alot of nerve, doesn't it, to come on the site of a famous musician and impersonate him? Would certainly open yourself up to a lawsuit.

I think Springsteen ought to call the guy out. Oh, but then again, I'm sure nothing Unholy Bruce said bothers THE MAN.

I mean, even MadMel, who attacks anyone without the same viewpoint as herself, was kissing Unholy Bruce's ar*e.

2Hearts, one of the monitors on the site, had several conversations with him as if he was completely normal. So, too, did This Train and MadMel.

They didn't seem alarmed at all that someone was impersonating Springsteen.

In fact, they seemed to embrace him as if he were Springsteen.

Or, was the impersonation so good that this Unholy Bruce character actually fooled his fans and those on the site who know Springsteen personally?

You know what I'm thinkin' without even speaking it.

They were even discussing with him the time he peed in his desk at school. He said the "mind garage" therapy didn't address that.

They concentrated on his "imposter syndrome," and parenting/relationship issues.


08-27-2007, 06:28 PM
Funny, isn't it?

They get so upset over the least little thing unBruce like, but someone comes on the site, impersonates their HERO, and it doesn't bother them in the least bit!

You would think this would have caused them emotional upset.

Certainly, they are very EMOTIONALLY attached to Springsteen.

But, nope!

Didn't happen.

Now, what are they going to do?

Have someone confess to it?

Like that would hold any credibility!

08-27-2007, 06:29 PM
I have copied the thread and placed it in my word file in case it disappears.

08-27-2007, 06:39 PM
The Tech team states, "only one username per person." Those are the rules.

So, posing as Springsteen was no problem.

The only problem was that this poster apparently had another username.

I guarantee you that in order to conduct the operation they conducted on Springsteen's official site and at BTX, the "players" can register with as many usernames as they desire.

Read the link I provided above.

One posters comments that since this poster had another username, does that mean Springsteen has been there all along.

Of course, his comment is ignored.

THEY LOVED UNHOLY BRUCE just like they LOVE and WORSHIP Springsteen.

They thought he was witty and funny!

I found him quite arrogant, rude, disgusting and full of himself. Kind of like Springsteen.

That comment he made about Clarence being old and thinkin' that one day he'd have to be picking his fu*kin' rottin' corpse off the stage was just odd.

Then there was the comment about a song that he didn't like, but that fu*kin' STEVE made him keep it.

His apparent obsession with Winona Ryder and how he and a million other men wanted to bone her.

08-27-2007, 06:41 PM
Oh, yes, how Patti has a Barney's card and he was too busy with Landau when People Magazine came to his house to shoot her for the article.

08-27-2007, 08:08 PM
There's a poster over at BTX giving instructions to the members on the Political Forum about how they should conduct their debates in order to stay above the fray and not stoop to name-calling, etc.

He calls himself, The Man, The Myth and the Legen..

Funny, the advice he's giving are to the posters who are the name-callers.

He says, blah, blah, blah, do this, that, this and that until YOU POSSESS THEM.


Possess them!

Who desires to possess another person?

You guessed it!

08-27-2007, 08:16 PM
Oh, look!

The cover-up begins with a thread, who got banned?

2Hearts who was having a normal conversation with Unholy Bruce (well, normal for their standards) has this to say:

Well, Q., I've had a few ideas since day one (i.e., the initial appearance of UB), as I'm sure others have. Who can be sure, though?

She had a few ideas about who he was since day one of his postings, but said nothing until now. She was too busy talking with him.

We could start a thread to unmask Unholy Bruce, but there's no sense putting additional pressure on the already fragile server. Not with the tour schedule due.

Oh, yes, I'm sure you could unmask Unholy Bruce and all the players would fill their roles in the process.

I'm not famous, but if someone was impersonating me, I'd certainly take action against them; specifically if they spoke of my spouse as Unholy Bruce did or my personal life.

Consider, too, that UB and the Patti character may have very well been one in the same, so if they're both gone due to multiple usernames, we still have no clue as to their true identities.

Oh, yes, the Patti character. Maybe that was one of Unholy Bruce's alters.

08-27-2007, 08:28 PM
Springsteen sounds constipated in that "Brilliant Disguise" video as he does most of the time when he sings.

Kind of like Patti's voice.

Grinding; grating; straining.

08-27-2007, 08:30 PM
Oh, my, 2Hearts says:

You saw the sticky from TTT earlier, right? Among other things, they said that some folks who had been previously banned were re-registering recently with the purpose of wreaking havoc. As a result, they cleared the decks today, so to speak.

Silly question, how can you tell if someone is banned? Via the memberlist?


Goodness! Folks have nothing better to do then aspiring to wreak havoc on the Springsteen site.

Well, now why would anyone want to wreak havoc on Springsteen.

He's a hero!

He is worshipped all over the world!

I just don't understand it!

08-27-2007, 08:33 PM
They must be looking for an escaped convict. There were noisy helicopters circling the neighborhood this eveing.

Haven't heard anything on the news!

08-27-2007, 08:37 PM
Yeah, Springsteen stole the music.

But, anyway, one poster says if "Radio Nowhere" is the worse song on the album his fans are going to be in for some magic.


What if it's the best song on the album?

Guess you're going to be in for a total failure.

08-27-2007, 08:43 PM
From BTX:

Oh, Look!

In today's Daily Nightly blog post, Brian wrote this:

"Speaking of which -- it’s been a while since we talked music in this space: I heard the new Springsteen single this weekend (“Radio Nowhere”) and liked it. It’s good old-fashioned, hard-driving E-Street band stuff."


Springsteen fans need validation from the outside world that they're not worshipping in vain.

On another note. Do radio stations not play much of Springsteen's songs because they SUCK or because it's some kind of a "psychological operation."

When something is rare, the more desirable it is for those who desire it.

You know, they get so excited if they're out and about in a grocery store, home depot, etc., and hear a Springsteen tune, they run to the board to report it.

They also sit around listening to the Bruce Brunch hour waiting on pins and needles to hear a song that they could play in their CD player.

I mentioned this before.

There's a station where you can call up, pay bucks and they play Springsteen.

The proceeds go to the "Food Bank" or whatever charitable organization he's connected with.

You know, you can donate without having your umbilical cord attached to Springsteen.

08-27-2007, 08:54 PM
Here are the auction prizes for a charitable event:

Mug printed with dice, RENO and the name BRUCE
Size Medium Ladies Tank-top Black with red embroidery (not printed - embroidered!) the words RENO and NV in a heart
Postcard showing the famous RENO landmarks
Setlist from my favorite show of the Devils and Dust tour Atlantic City New Jersey November 13, 2005
Backstage Pass for the November 13, 2005 show. (Now you know why it was my favorite show!)


Is this person serious?

A tank top with the words embroidered RENO and NV in a heart.


Because of his filthy, disgusting song RENO.

Who the hell would want that?

A postcard showing famous RENO landmarks!!

Yep! Gotta have that!

A setlist from her favorite Devils and Dust tour. (Can't you just get that on line). Oh, I see, it's her favorite show. That's special!

A backstage pass (Oh, she's been backstage. I see) from a 2005 show.

Yes, please. I gotta have that! A pass you used to go backstage and you think this is worth something to someone else. Oh, look, this is a pass that a BTX poster used to go bacstage at a 2005 Devils and Dust show and now I have it.

A mug with the name RENO and BRUCE on it.

Oh, yes, please!

That song, RENO, is just so AWESOME.

What's it about again?

Oh, yeah. Springsteen in a room with two hookers. Paying $250.00 for anal sex with one of them and while he's in the room with two women, he's thinking about another.

08-27-2007, 09:03 PM
MadMel says:

Whew! I was afraid we might be shut down for days instead of hours. Thanks to the heroic efforts of the TT for getting us back up and running. Heckuva time for someone to decide to go "postal" on us, huh?

Who went postal on them?

They were conversing with Unholy Bruce in a very pleasant manner.

He didn't distrub anyone in the least bit.

They loved his presence.

And, now this!

The cover-up begins!

Nothing unusual was occurring that they made mention about.

No one said, "hey, get this "Unholy Bruce" character off this site.

I've been watching.

No one went postal!

MadMel is playing pretend, as per usual.

She was drooling all over "Unholy Bruce." Even said she took her hat off to him at a show when he played something she liked.

08-27-2007, 09:11 PM
One poster asks if she was the only one who thought "Unholy Bruce" was creepy.

Appeared that way.

2Hearts says; now that he's gone and she's done conversing and drooling all over him:

Have you considered that his other username may have been the Patti character?

Shazz, he was obnoxious at times, clever at other times.

Obnoxious at times and clever at other times, 2Hearts says about "Unholy Bruce."

Disgusting, I might add.

Gee, 2Hearts. You just described some of Springsteen's characteristics. No wonder you conversed with him. You know what he's like and accept it!

Look, 2Hearts, anyone of Springsteen's posse' could find out who the user was in truth, but you'd never report that.

You like playing dumb for all intents and purposes.

So, yeah, let's consider the disinformation that "Unholy Bruce" was the Patti poster, too.

2Hearts doesn't refer to this Patti poster as a username.

She refers to the Patti poster as a "CHARACTER."

08-27-2007, 09:17 PM
Oh, yes. The rules at BTX preclude anyone from having more than one username, but it's okay to impersonate Springsteen.

08-27-2007, 10:02 PM
So, according to MadMel someone went postal at BTX, but judging from her latest post it wasn't "Unholy Bruce."

MadMel said:

Unholy Bruce added some much-needed levity around here - especially with the board going all wonky and everything.

Perhaps whoever it was will beg forgiveness and ask to come back - as Unholy Bruce ONLY!


If this person begs forgiveness to come back to BTX, he is desperate and pathetic. Your suggestion of such, MadMel, renders you desperate and pathetic for his return, as well.

If BTX allows a poster who is impersonating Bruce Springsteen to return only as Unholy Bruce, as MadMel has suggested, this renders them negligent.

Why would anyone beg forgiveness to return to a musician's internet forum?

Only those who are imprionsed there would know the answer to that question.

They are desperate and pathetic.

MadMel wants Unholy Bruce to beg forgiveness and return to BTX and continue to impersonate Springsteen.

Like I said.

Desperate and pathetic.

They think they spoke to the messiah.

08-28-2007, 03:51 PM
They're so excited because a particular radio station has been playing "Radio Nowhere" every couple of hours or so.

Ah, you could just listen to the free download that was provided.

This, signifies to the poster that the radio station supports Springsteen.

They need validation from the outside world as to the importance of this man's music because they live their lives through him. They are emotionally and psychologically attached to him. They are "mind control" victims in a sense. This is how they get you and keep you under their control/command.

Springsteen is the center of their universe. They have been isolated from the "real world." Thrust into a dream-like state and fairy-tale world that Springsteen has created for his "cult" followers.

Anyway, news for you, my lady, the radio stations don't support Springsteen or any other musician. They play what the music mobsters promote.

The music mobsters own Springsteen.

Remember, he's The Boss, a hero, a media darling.

They've been promoting him since day one.

He's a cash cow.

They've been milking him for decades.

And, Springsteen's been milking you!

08-28-2007, 03:56 PM
As I mentioned earlier, they're parrots.

Constantly starting threads, and commenting:

"Is Anybody Alive Out There."

Or, if this place doesn't settle down, it's gonna be like BTX Nowhere.

They converse using lines from his songs. Name themselves after his female/male characters.

It's Brucespeak, by golly!

08-28-2007, 07:10 PM
Yeah, MadMel, when I read what you wrote I couldn't stop laughing!!!!

Funny story: When Bruce did the Amnesty International tour, the promoter was Bill Graham (a nice Jewish boy). These were huge stadium shows. And the L.A. date? On Yom Kippur. They had to wait until sundown to start the show as a result. And we didn't get out of there until 2:30 in the morning!!!

Well, if your promoters and those who own you are JEWISH, you accomodate them and not your fans.

Springsteen is Jewish himself, isn't he?

So, too is Dylan.

What about Tom Petty?

Jackson Browne?

Are these their birth names?

08-28-2007, 07:20 PM
Men and Woman Dressed in Black.

Springsteen very often looks like he's three sheets to the wind and just rolled out of bed.

As per their usual MO, this poster comments that Patti looks great!

Yeah, from a distance and that outfit she's wearing what a knock-out!

She's all slumped over.

Springsteen is probably using her to hold himself up.


08-28-2007, 07:26 PM
Someone posted a quote from Springsteen when Chris, the site administrator spoke with him.

So, you have to wonder.

He didn't telephone Springsteen to report that there was a Bruce imposter on the site who talked about Patti and his sexual life with her and their son, Evan?

He didn't tell Springsteen that this imposter was discussing his songs and why they were written, what they meant, etc.?

He didn't tell Springsteen that this person was revealing information about his private and confidential psychiatric sessions?

If you're famous, wouldn't that make you a little apprehensive?

You know, there are some people who become obsessed FANS of a musician and turn into stalkers.

Or, in my case, it's the other way around.

08-28-2007, 08:15 PM
Oh, my.

They have all come out of the woodword to add, "Patti looks great," on the link I posted of the picture of Men and Woman in Black.

They are commenting on her high heels, what everyone in the band is wearing. Their sunglasses, etc.

Oh, look, Little Steven is wearing this; Clarence is wearing that.

Scialfa's married to Springsteen.

Can't get more disgusting than that!

They deserve each other.

08-28-2007, 08:53 PM
Gee, I dunno. What tricks will Springsteen pull out of his hat for this tour?

Possibly re-work some old songs?


Can't wait.

Someone on the BS.net site in a email once told me that he had alot of tricks up his sleeve.


Too bad they didn't work for you, eh?

08-28-2007, 08:54 PM
Maybe that ole' BLACK MAGIC just ain't what it use to be, eh?

08-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Why is it that on the cover of the single, "Radio Nowhere," they have a cell phone tower and not a radio relay tower?

Are Springsteen/Landau and Sony that stupid?

"bopping through the wild blue tryin' to make a connection with you."


What imagery.

Springsteen bopping through the wild blue!

Oh, yeah, right!

Yep, that line and that line alone is going to change music from this day forward.

08-28-2007, 10:16 PM
Oh, Springsteen's children are so excited!!

They heard this on the air in Chicago and they were stunned to hear this teaser:

"The boss is back and he's bringing his band."

Oh my goodness. Springsteen and the E Street Band haven't toured since 2003.

Lordy! It's been four LONG years!!!

What is a poor addicted fan to do?

One poster's MOM called to tell her/him that Santa Claus is coming to town. She/he says it's hitting mainstream news!


Forgoodness sakes!

You would think the threat of another terrorist attack, martial law, concentration camps, fascist Nazi regime, police state have all been put to rest cause Santa Claus is coming to town.

The Rising was the biggest grossing tour of any artist!

Give me a break!

They'll tell you anything they want about Springsteen and you'll swallow it. Hook, line and sinker.

Brainwashed fools!

08-28-2007, 10:30 PM
I guess you really have to be in the loop to be able to explain a Springsteen song that doesn't make any sense. Cause, you know, if someone asks about a Springsteen song, a poster has to explain it, otherwise, Springsteen would say:


That, because he doesn't want to tell you the truth about himself!

A poster asks about the song "Black Cowboys" from Devils and Dust and what is it about.

Another poster gives her opinion.

Lyrics to:

Black Cowboys
Bruce Springsteen

Rainey William's playground was THE MOTT HAVEN streets
Where he ran past melted candles and flower wreaths,
names and photos of the young black faces,
whose death and blood consecrated these places
Rainey's mother said "Rainey stay at my side
For you are my blessing, you are my pride.
It's your love here that keeps my soul alive
I want you to come home from school and stay inside."

Rainey'd do his work and put his books away.
There was a channel showed a Western movie everyday
LYNETTE brought him home books on the black cowboys of the Oklahoma range
AND the Seminole scouts that fought the tribes of the Great Plains.
Summer come and the days grew long,
Rainey always had his mother's smile to depend on.
Along A street of stray bullets he made his way
To the warmth of her arms at the end of each day.

Come the Fall, the rain flooded these homes in Ezekiel's valley of dry bones,
it fell hard and dark to the ground. It fell without a sound.
LYNETTE took up with a man whose business was the boulevard,
whose smile was fixed in a face that was never off guard
In the pipes 'neath the kitchen sink his secrets are kept
In the day, behind drawn curtains in LYNETTE'S bedroom he slept.

And she got lost in the days. The smile Rainey depended on dusted away.
The arms that held him were no more his HOME.
He lay at night his head pressed to her chest listening to the ghost in her bones.

In the kitchen, Rainey slipped his hand between the pipes
From a brown bag pulled five hundred dollar bills and stuck it in his coat side,
stood in the dark at his mother's bed, brushed her hair and kissed her eyes.

In the twilight Rainey walked to the station on streets of stone.
Through Pennsylvania and Ohio his train drifted on.
Through the small towns of Indiana the big train crept,
as he lay his head back on his seat and slept.
He woke and the towns gave way to muddy fields of green
Corn and cotton and endless nothing in between
Over the rutted hills of Oklahoma the red sun slipped and was gone
The moon rose and stripped the earth to its bone.


In her opinion, it is a cautionary tale. The story of a boy growing up with a single mom who is devoted to him. She won't let him play on the streets because of the danger there, instead bringing him home books and letting him watch movies about the black cowboys, I guess you would call them African American now, but when we were children they were Black.
Mom met a man who turned her on to drugs and suddenly their world was turned upside down, she loved the crack more than him, so he ran away after stealing the boyfriends money, which meant he could never go home.

It's tragic really. I always thought that this was part one. Part two is told when a man comes home and his mother doesn't recognize him. It's called "The Hitter."


Here are the lyrics to The Hitter:

The Hitter
Bruce Springsteen

Come to the door ma and unlock the chain.
Well I was just passin' through and got caught in the rain.
There's nothing that I want, nothin' that you need say.
Just let me lie down FOR a while and I'll be on my way.

I was no more than a kid when you put me on the Southern Queen.
With the police on my back I fled to New Orleans.
Well I fought in the dockyards for the the money that I made.
I knew the fight was my home and any blood was my trade.

Baton Rouge, Ponchatoula, and Lafayette town.
Well they payed me their money, ma, I knocked the men down.
Well I did what I did, yeah it come easily.
restraint and mercy, Ma,
were always strangers to me.

I fought champion Jack Thompson in a field full of mud.
Rain poured through the tent to the canvas and mixed with our blood.
In the twelfth, I slipped my tongue over my broken jaw.
I stood over him and
pounded his body into the floor.
Well the bell rang and rang and still I kept on.
'Til I felt my glove leather slip 'tween his skin and bone.

And the women and the money came fast and the days I lost track.
The women red, the money green, but the numbers were black.
I fought for the men in their silk suits to lay down their bets.
Well I took my good share, ma, I have no regrets.

I took the fix at the state armory with big John McDowell.
From high in the rafters I watched myself fall.
As they raised his arm, my stomach twisted, and the sky it went black.
I stuffed my bag with their good money, ma, and never looked back.
Understand, in the end, Ma, every man plays the game.
If you know me one different then speak out his name.

Ma, if my voice now you don't recognize.
Well just open the door and look into your dark eyes.
I ask of you nothin', not a kiss not a smile.
Just open the door and let me lie down for a while.

Now the gray rain is fallin' and my ring fightin's done.
So in the work fields and alleys, I take all who'll come.
If you're a better man than me then just step to the line.
Show me your money and speak out your crime.
Now there's nothin' I want, ma, nothin' that you need say.
Just let me lie for a while and I'll be on my way.

Well tonight in Stockyard, a man draws a circle in the dirt.
I move to the center and take off my shirt.
I study him for the cuts, the scars, the pain, Man nor time can erase.
I move hard to the left and I strike



Part two!

Oh, yes, I definitely see how they're connected.

08-28-2007, 11:16 PM
It's funny, isn't it?

How Springsteen clings to Patti Scialfa to define his heterosexuality when, truth be told, he is a sexual deviant.

His lyrics tell us so and I know so!

Funny, too, how they think I would be jealous of Patti Scialfa because she's with Springsteen and I'm not.

THANK GOD! He's a sadistic pig!

He couldn't hold a candle to my husband.

They began this operation shortly after they thought they had sucked me back into the cult, ruined my life, my marrige and that all I wanted was to be with Springsteen.

Who in their right mind would want to be with a sadistic pig?

A mind control victim?

A gold digger who will put up with anything.

A sexual deviant, too?

It's all a FRONT!

I didn't desire it then and risked my life to escape him and certainly don't desire it now or EVER!

Afterall, Scialfa is known as "Parking Lot" Patti and Springsteen, well, we all know what he's about.

Like I said, they deserve each other.

Do you think he could go shopping with her at Barney's and maybe pick out a SEXY outfit?

Those black men's suits she wears are so unattractive.

08-28-2007, 11:24 PM

IN a sign of the times, Bruce Springsteen is giving away his long-awaited new single Radio Nowhere to his fans.

With many major rock artists struggling to achieve radio airplay, the Boss decided to give the song directly to fans so they could make up their own minds.

Radio Nowhere, exclusively available to The Daily Telegraph readers today, introduces fans to his new album Magic, which is released on September 29.

Springsteen is set to provoke a fierce bidding war among local concert promoters to secure his next Australian tour, expected to hit our shores in 2008. Radio Nowhere marks a return to Springsteen's earlier anthemic sound.


What major rock artists are struggling to achieve radio airplay?

They're not struggling.

The music mobsters produce what they want played.

Rock 'n' Roll died a long time ago and was replaced by more filth.

This article says Springsteen returns to his earlier anthemic sound.

What earlier anthemic sound?

Sex with little girls?

08-28-2007, 11:34 PM
Springsteen isn't a working class hero because his ticket prices are lower than other acts.

He's not a working class, hero, period.

Nor is he a hero!

Only in the eyes of his brainwashed fans.

His diehard fans and those who aren't, either can't afford to pay bigger bucks or just wouldn't.

He and his promoters know this.

That's the reason ticket prices are low and not because he's wants to make it affordable for his fans.

He and his handlers don't want an empty venue.

If they did, they'd raise the prices.

This is the only way he collects the revenue he needs to in order to satisfy his contract.

Multiple shows in the same city with cheap ticket prices and his diehard fans attend several shows.

He doesn't have a very large fan base to draw from. He depends upon fans seeing multiple shows.

Other artists charge higher fares and do one night only and attract a larger audience.

But, you diehards, you fly or drive around the country to see multiple shows and drain your bank accounts in the process.

Springsteen thanks you on his way to the bank.

08-28-2007, 11:56 PM
Soozie isn't considered part of "The E Street Band," although she's been touring with them for five years, because that's how Springsteen acknowledges those who assist him in his musical career.

He doesn't.

It's always Bruce Springseen on the cover of a CD even if "The E Street Band" is playing on it. That's in part because the music mobsters break-up the band even though the front man became famous playing with them.

It's a tactic. I've written about this before.

This, so they don't have to pay them the big bucks. The front man is noe famous; goes out on his own; satisfies the music mobsters as a solo act, but they make even bigger bucks with reunion tours.

If they kept them together, the desire would not be as great.

Someone said Scaifa was considered a part of the band in 84 before she was Springsteen's love interest and the first tour with them as a couple was the reunion tour.

How many reunion tours have they had?


Separate and get back together and the fans just love it don't they?

Marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce and the children run to their side to see Daddy Springsteen and Mommy Scialfa.

The Boss and Boss Lady of Rock 'n' Roll.

08-29-2007, 09:03 AM
The children are excited because a Bruce fan saw him coming out of Gold's gym and this signifies that he's working out.

But, this poster needed clarification.

Was it a one time thing or several times a week?

You know, they want him to be fit and in shape for the tour.

They're so concerned about their hero's physical appearance and emotional state of mind.

Tied to the hip; like a button on his shirt.

So, he went inside Gold's gym and asked one of the employees how many times Springsteen works out at the gym.

At least four times a week.

This is exciting news for his fans.

08-29-2007, 09:07 AM
Oh, look, one poster thought the story about the gym (it was a long, boring dissertation about Springsteen working out, so I summarized) was a COOL story.

Yeah, very cool.

Springsteen working out at a gym.

How odd!

Another poster adds:

Bruce most hold memberships to a few gyms in Monmouth County. He has been spotted at two gyms in my area regularly (I won't post the names of gyms to respect his privacy). Usually he is there right when they open in the early a.m. before most people are out of bed.

As for Little Steven, I'll come to his defense. A co-worker of mine sees him in her Manhattan gym regularly. She is not a fan and was wondering who the dude working out in bandana, beads etc was. Her trainer told her that's Steve Van Zandt. She still didn't know him until her trainer said "Silvio" from the Sopranos. The trainer then told her he was working out to get in shape for a "soon to be announced E Street tour".


My goodness, someone didn't know who Van Zandt was?


You mean, he works out too, and Springsteen holds several memberships at a few gyms!

Equally as incredible!

08-29-2007, 09:11 AM
Sorry, but backstreets isn't respectable.

Only in the eyes of the posters who live and operate within.

No one else even knows it exists.

08-29-2007, 09:14 AM
Apparently, BTX's server couldn't handle all the traffic, so they shut down the Political World as far as posting is concerned.

High ranking members were advising posters to delete their personal messages and, perhaps emails, too.

08-29-2007, 09:55 AM
Doc Holiday, whom I believe was a musician back in the day, posts at BTX:

He says, "Looks like the boy is pulling out all the stops on this release. Here is an e-mail I got from one of my distributors this morning.Hey Doc, this was in the Digital Music News letter this morning. Just thought I’d share!

Why is it that Springsteen is referred to as OUR BOY and the BOY. I assume he's in a child-like state, too!

Springsteen Announces Tour, Album, Spins Freebie Download

Bruce Springsteen is now planning a major tour and album release, and spinning a gratis download to spark excitement. The album, Magic, is slated for release on October 2nd, and is already being teased exclusively on the iTunes Store. The free single, "Radio Nowhere," is also available on iTunes. There, fans can pre-purchase the album download for an attractive $8.99, though concert tickets may be less wallet-friendly.

WOW! Low ticket prices and now a pre-purchase being offered as a download for $8.99. Yep. That's pulling out all the stops alright. It's called marketing and, apparently, they have to pull out all these stops, because, otherwise, his diehard fans may not pay higher ticket prices because they're working class and others who have a slight interest in seeing a show might attend at those prices. But, again, it's those diehards who fly and drive to multiple shows because of the low ticket prices.

As far as the CD, it's called promoting for the upcoming release. Hopefully, it will help with CD sales, is what they're thinking.

The multi-continental tour starts October 2nd in Hartford, Connecticut, and winds throughout North America and Europe before a finale in London on December 19th. Springsteen is touring with the E Street Band, which is also part of the latest release. Magic is the first Springsteen release with E Street since 2002, when the ensemble grabbed a Grammy on The Rising.

Story by news analyst Alexandra Osorio.

08-29-2007, 12:08 PM

Take Note:

Doom and gloom

Federal Case

Pulling out all the stops

No surrender, no retreat

Get with the times

Is there anybody alive out there?

Piss or get off the pot

08-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Springsteen doesn't throw Sony and his fans a bone when he produces a rock record because you think his heart is really into folksy and/or pop music.

Sony owns Springsteen.

He has a contractual obligation to fulfill.

He probably produces CD's and tours more than any other artist.

Well, DYLAN, another cash cow, seems to be on a perpetual tour, but he doesn't attract large audiences outside of the US or inside for that matter.

It doesn't matter what Springsteen sings when touring either solo, with the E Street Band or another backing band; what type of music he releases on a CD, as long as he is pulling in the bucks for his handlers/controllers/owners.

Add re-masters, re-releases, re-worked, DVD's of live shows to the pot.

08-29-2007, 03:57 PM
Breaking and Earth Shattering News:

A Bruce Springsteen song, "Radio Nowhere" was played at the Phillies game the other night.

The posters have determined that the radio programmer at the Phillie's games must be a very BIG BRUCE FAN!!

They've heard some of his other songs played, too, over the years.

Very unusual that they play a singer/songwriter's songs on the radio and sporting events, isn't it?

08-29-2007, 04:27 PM
Ladie's Picture Thread at BTX.

I was looking through it to find something which I haven't found yet, but I noticed two things that I wanted to share.

On Page 3, under post of August 23, 2007 at 3:57 P.M. the first picture of Springsteen does not look like him!!

On Page 4, under post of August 23, 2007 at 4:42 P.M., the picture of Springsteen underneath the words "Thank you MacDonald," bears such a resemblance of my father that it's somewhat creepy.

The side profile, that is!


08-29-2007, 05:00 PM
I guess they removed the original picture thread. There was some reference to a poster whom made comments on it and they thought, perhaps, he was Springsteen.

That was the reason I was looking throught it and realized what I was looking through was a duplicate thread that replaced the original.

The get the mop comments and sexual conversations do not appear on this new picture thread.

I did post the original link somewhere on this thread.

Wonder if it is still here and if it can be accessed.

08-29-2007, 05:28 PM
Interesting thread on how the Bruce fanatics convince their spouses to allow them to travel around the world following their "cult" leader.


08-29-2007, 09:11 PM

These Bruce fanatics have been under the impression for all of these decdades that Springsteen's music was going to or had changed the world.

How pathetic!

The only thing it changes is their state of consciousness.

One poster says:

So what if this CD doesn't change the world?

What if the worst thing that happens is that this music sounds great live?

Would that be so bad?

How sad!

Does this poster actually think that Springsteen has done anything to change the world for the better with his music or that this CD is going to magically change the world as the title of the album suggests?


In his/her child-like state, she/he thinks that Springsteen is a hero and a blue-collar worker, too!!!

08-29-2007, 09:28 PM
Here's how it's done, folks!

According to MadMel:

Not this time, I'm afraid. Because things got messed up with fan-run lines toward the end of the first leg of The Rising tour, they decided to institute random lotteries.

As I understand it, they are going to use a computerized method this time around. If you have a GA ticket, it will be scanned and the computer will either say "Proceed to the pit" or "Sorry!" So that eliminates the need to hang out all day at the venue on the day of the show. But it also offers zero guarantees of getting into the pit. The morning of the show, they'll pass out numbered wristbands. At about 5 p.m that evening, a number will be announced and everyone will line up behind the person with the starting number. But . . . being first in line does NOT guarantee a spot at the stage or even a spot in the pit.


Geez, THE MAN produces such anxiety in his fans. Not good. I'd bail if I were all of you. Anxiety causes stress. Springsteen's just a hack.

Numbered wristbands!

How old are these people?

Oh, we already know.

Elementary school age, but in adult bodies.

08-29-2007, 09:57 PM
GAWD, the anxiety these Springseen fanatics put themselves through for him.

If Springsteen makes the ticket process so easy, why does it appear so difficult according to the posters at BTX.

The tour dates announced don't seem to correspond with what's posted at Ticketmaster.

Ticket are for sale on ebay when they haven't yet been on sale at Ticketmaster.

Wrist bands, waiting at the venue all day; ticket drops.

Geez, it almost seems like Springsteen enjoys screwing with his fan's emotional state of mind.

08-29-2007, 10:02 PM
They're looking at pictures of Springsteen from 30 years ago and commenting on how sexy he is.

Apparently, they don't live in the present.

THE MAN isn't sexy.

You're just under his spell.

He's disgusting!

08-29-2007, 10:03 PM
Something about how Springsteen was the son my father never had.

08-29-2007, 10:06 PM
Scratch that!

08-30-2007, 12:50 AM
Oh, GOD forbid Springseen endures a distraction during one of his shows, he might tell the audience to STFU!

Please, no cell phone camera flashes.

It's a distraction to Bruce, according to MadMel.

He has a hard time concentrating.


You wouldn't want to distract him.

Just sit in your seat and behave like a good little slave.

08-30-2007, 01:00 AM
One poster asks:

So does Bruce think of people like me when he writes his songs?


Oh yeah, he's never met you, has no clue, but he thinks of people like you.

What kind of people are you?

Just like him?

You've been waiting for something great to happen and you think Springsten has been saving it for the live performances.

What do you think is going to happen?

Something great?

You're going to hear some music.

Nothing incredible.

He calls our for the guitars in the lyrics?

Hope it's not his guitar or Patti's.

Of course not.

But do those who play the guitar get billing?

No way.

Oh, yeah, Max's guitar.

Well, it certainly wouldn't be Springseen's guitar solo.

Dramatics is his fortay.

The guitar isn't.

He can barely play it. Just like his lesser half.

Springsten doesn't turn any song into a masterpiece.

08-30-2007, 08:37 PM
I clicked on a youtube video of Springsteen's "Radio Nowhere."

As the song is playing there is a slide show of him through the years with his wife, Patti.

I'm thinking to myself.

Do they think they've just received a "life time achievement" award?

The song has absolutely nothing to do with Springsteen's marriage to Patti unless he's bopping through the wild blue tryin' to make a connection with her, or his life, yet we're viewing a slide show of the King and Queen of Rock 'n' Roll.

Talk about self-obsession.

As if anyone cares except them!

08-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Excuse me, but Bruce Springsteen has worn the label as a "working class hero" and "local hero" for decades without any resistance or rebellion.

Obviously, he has no problem with being a fraud!

He sings about the working class and has attracted the working class as his fans who think he represents them; therefore HE is their hero.

He lives in New Jersey; therefore, he is Jersey's local hero.

Obviously, he hasn't accomplished anything that would make him worthy of HERO status.

However, he doesn't mind at all being referred to as the same.

Remember, he said in his own words:

Funny, a rich man in poor man's clothes.

Yeah, ain't it funny?

Someday, you'll look back on all this and I pretty much guarantee, you won't be laughing.

08-30-2007, 09:42 PM
Bon Jovi a Springsteen wannabe?

Well, first of all, he'd have to sing about sexually deviant behavior and about oral sex with his wife while she's on stage with him or ramrodding or on the prowl for a while child or about Mary, or Wendy, or Janey, or Rosie, etc., etc., etc. or Reno and $250.00 up the ar*se?

Does he do that?

Nah, I don't think he's a Sprinsteen wannabe. In fact, he had a violin player long before Springsteen did.

Maybe Springsteen is a Bon Jovi wannabee.

Afterall, the females are crazy about him!

Very sexy!

Not that I respect him in any shape or form.

08-30-2007, 09:48 PM
This is humorous.

A poster begins a thread about how he is panicing because he is traveling from Texas to Philadelphia for a show and is freaking out thinking he won't be able to get tickets.

He's scared, frightened, etc.

He might strangle something!

He's looking to the "elders" on the site to help calm the anxiety they create.


Exactly what sadistic pigs are about.

These people are so desperate, it is truly sad.

Anyway, another poster responds:

Freaking out? Pre-panic? So afraid? You seriously need to knock it off.

08-30-2007, 09:59 PM
One poster writes:

I somehow doubt his tours are geared toward the political leaning of states.


Gee, I thought maybe they were.

But, then again, wouldn't they be geared toward the areas where he draws the most "followers."


One poster actually believes that if Springsteen's tours were geared toward the political leaning of states, it would be hilarious because that would be some sweet payback for the last election.


This fanatic actually believes that if Springsteen played in states that were what, RED, it would be payback for the last election.

Oh, yeah, just like Springsteen's participation in the "Vote for Change" tour affected a CHANGE! or his campaigning with Kerry in OHIO affected a change.

Nothing Springsteen does affects a change in the world.

The only change Springsteen affects is in his "brainwashed" followers.

Again, they believe THE MAN has some kind of political clout.

Just they same as they believe he's a working class hero, a local hero and THE BOSS of anyone other than his "mind controlled" fans.

08-30-2007, 10:14 PM
Does the picture of Springsteen on the third post of this link look like the same person on the cover of the "Magic" CD?

I have to find the MAGIC picture and edit to post it on this link.


Here is the picture of Springsteen on the cover of the "Magic" CD.


I really need to learn photoshop. I want to see these two pictures outside of the links.

His hair has definitely been growing. It's hard to diferentiate because of the shadow in the "Magic" photo, but I'm feeling that these two Springsteen's are not one in the same.

I don't know if the hair growth alone is the reason that there seems to be an age difference in both photos when clearly the first photo is recent and the second recent, as well.

So, what leads me to believe they are not the same person?

Like I said, further examination using photoshop is warranted.

08-30-2007, 10:22 PM
Here's the link to the original "picture thread."

"How can a poor fan stand such pictures and live."


08-30-2007, 10:39 PM
He must be wearing a piece.

How can your receeding foreline grow so much hair over such a short period of time?

Is it MAGIC???

Look at pictures of Springsteen from the recent Seeger Sessions tour.

Clearly, Springsteen is wearing a piece or the picture of him on the "Magic CD" is not the same person in post number three of the link I provided above.

What male do you know who was balding and received hair transplants was as successful as you see in these pictures of Springsteen?

Maybe he ought to tell everyone about his magical hairdresser.

08-31-2007, 09:17 AM
Does anyone know what this is about?

A TICKET CALL DROP for Springsteen shows.

Sounds like another anxiety, panic-producing tactic.

Any other musicians sell tickets to their shows in this manner?


08-31-2007, 09:21 AM
Dave Letterman just introduced his guest Hillary Clinton as a Senator from the great state of NY and a democratic candidate for President while Paul Schaefer and band played a snippet from Born to Run.


Well, that certainly isn't very complimentary.

08-31-2007, 12:32 PM
Oh, yeah, Springsteen gave his fans a "special gift" when instead of paying 99 cents for the "Radio Nowhere" single from itunes, it was FREE!

He saved you a whole buck!

Not like this is a promotional gig either, right?

08-31-2007, 12:47 PM
One poster comments that Springsteen gave away the single, "Radio Nowhere" because he's sitting on 800 billion dollars.

Oh, yeah, right!

If he were sitting on 800 billion dollars, how come he wasn't listed on Forbes' most wealthiest and/or as one of the world's billionaires?

If Springsteen is sitting on 800 billion dollars why then does the record label own him?

Certainly, with this amount of money he could break his ties with the record label (not allowed); and produce his material through his own record label.

Springsteen definitely isn't sitting on 800 billion dollars.

If he were, why then did he just sign a hefty 10 year contract with the record label that owns him and continue to produce CD's and tour year after year after year for them.


Cause he ain't sittin' on 800 billion dollars and he's not FREE!

He's a slave and cash cow to his masters!

08-31-2007, 12:50 PM
If Springsteen is sittin' on 800 billion dollars and he's so in tune with the poor man's plight, why doesn't he give a heft amount to a worthy cause?

Cause he ain't sittin' on 800 billion dollars and he most probably doesn't have control over his money, either.

They own him.

Lock, stock and barrel.

Just as they own his music!

Afterall, they MADE HIM what he is; he owes them and that ain't anything to write home about.

08-31-2007, 03:52 PM
Oh my, the sexual deviant, mind controller, abuser, handler and sadistic pig, Bruce Springsteen and the "E Street Band" will be performing on the Plaza in New York for the Today show on September 28.

I'll be sure to miss that one.

This will be the rock legend's first appearance on the PLAZA!!


I think the earth might just stop spinning on it's axis that day.

So, Matt, does a little biography of Springsteen and says he sings about the Heartland.

Ah, Matt, try reading some of the lyrics to his songs, if you can understand them.

Obviously, you don't listen to his music. You're just doing your job in helping to promote his upcoming CD and tour.

He sings about sexual deviant behavior, his lust for "little girls," about oral sex with his wife, threesomes in Reno paying $250.00 up the ar*se and many of his lyrics come from his alter personalities.

He sings about homosexuality, as well.

Yep, Springsteen did say he was going to make it big someday and he certainly did.

He was promised fortune and fame in exchange for selling his soul to the devil.

Here's the link:


I heard that when Katie Couric was introducting the band in 2002, she didn't know Max's name.


I'm sure Katie and Matt are devoted Springsteen followers.

Didn't they do any research or did they just not find this a very interesting piece of earth-shattering news and could have cared less?

The latter!

It's all media hype!

08-31-2007, 04:00 PM
"Rock 'n' Roll, it changed my life. It was like the voice of America, the real voice of America coming into your home...."

Bruce Springsteen quote.

Yeah, I'll say it changed your life, alright.

Yep! Rock 'n' Roll is the real voice of America with all those sexual deviant lyrics you include in your non-sensical songs.

It just changed the world for the better didn't it and Springsteen, well, he played a part in that?


The Man, The Myth, The Legend!

Where would this world be without him?

What a fraud with a lot of help from the media.


Because he's one of THEM!

08-31-2007, 04:10 PM
Patti Scialfa is constantly defending herself musically by stating she's overshadowed by Springsteen and rabid Springsteen fans do the same.

Most people; however, believe Scialfa's name wouldn't be known in the music industry or publicly if she weren't married to Springsteen.


One of the women standing with Matt while he was talking about Springsteen and "The E Street Band" performing on the Plaza in September mentioned that Springsteen's wife would be there.


She's a part of the band. Plays such an instrumental role in various ways.

Anyway, the woman refers to Springsteen's wife as Patti Davis.

Just goes to show, even if you're married to Springsteen, some of the most well-informed don't even know your name.

08-31-2007, 05:12 PM
If Springsteen released a CD from every concert on his tour then there wouldn't be such sought after bootleg recordings which makes it all the much more precious to his devoted "followers."

All the much more sought after.

All the more connected to one another.

Like children comparing what presents they received for Christmas.

Behind everything, there is a reason!

08-31-2007, 05:17 PM
So, the poster's username is BobbyJean and HE IS A MALE.

Again, BobbyJean is a Springsteen song.

Look at the spelling of Bobby.

Yeah, males always use female usernames when they register at a site.

Anyway, the topic of discussion which should keep the children occupied until some more fantastic Bruce news arrives:

Pick just one.

One Bruce concert moment where you were just floored. The one moment where it hit you, where you pumped you fist with the pride only being a Bruce fan can give you. Although I firmly believe that ESt is the best way to see Bruce, this one moment occurred for me during the Devils and Dust tour. I grew up in Long Island. I was very lucky. I was popular, had a great time, and left a pretty cool reputation behind me when I left three years ago for a beutiful Jersey Girl. Our life is great and I wouldnt trade it for anything, but home is home. When Bruce played the Nassau Colliseum in October 05, I handt been home in almost a year. My fiance and I drove home to take my 82 year old grandmother out to see Bruce. I sat between my two favorite women and just soaked in the vibe from the building that brought me so many memories. Bruce opened with Stolen Car which left me stunned. I knew it was gonna be a great ride and hell, I was back home. Midway through the set, he began to make the worst sound I may have ever heard. It was at the piano, and it was really high pitched squeal, like Bruce Lee with appendicitis. I started laughing when, like he always does, shifted my emotions completley, when he broke into MY HOMETOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My first time hearing it!!!!!!!!!!!! Home!!!!!!!!!!!! with my two favorite people. This is one night after being reuntied with so many of my friends that I missed so badly. My Hometown. Like he knew HAhahahahahaha. It was a a moment that surged through my veins and fucked up my head so much. I didnt know wheather to laugh or cry and wound up doing both. I have a few of those stories, and I KNOW I'll have a few


This poster admits Bruce f*cks up his head.

Obviously, Springsteen has emotional issues and seems to me most of those who post at BTX have emotional issues, too.

You're wrapped up in Springsteen's pain.

Emotionally co-dependent.

08-31-2007, 05:29 PM
One poster says that he doesn't care for Patti's involvement in the E Street Band; standing there for several hours with an unplugged guitar, but he happens to know that she's a great mother.


Unless you know Patti or Springsteen personally; live in their house, you are not qualified to make this statement.

Another posters says that Springsteen is always apologizing to Scialfa for his behavior on stage.


At a live show, he makes apologies to Scialfa for what behavior?

Another poster thinks Scialfa is extremely talented, (yeah, that's why as a solo artist she's not successful and criticized for her role in the E Street Band) deserving of a wider audience.

If she were deserving of a wider audience, it would be because she was extremely talented. Which she isn't. Hence, the reason she doesn't have a wider audience.

Springsteen affords her time in the spotlight to a very limited degree.

Maybe there's a reason for this.

Maybe he cringes when she sings, too.

She's a useful idiot.

If she were extremely talented, she would have been discovered thirty or more years ago and not in her 50's.

Bring 'em Home posts a link to Patti's "Looking for Elvis" video, but the accompanying picture of Scialfa is like 30 years old.

08-31-2007, 06:26 PM
Since Springsteen wasn't on the Forbes' list of the wealthiest, nor is he a billionaire, one of his fans needs to know:

Just to fill my curiosity, does anybody have a list of the richest American musicians?

So, now, they're trying to fit Springsteen into a list of the richest American musicians. I guess it fulfills their illusion of him being powerful, if he is RICH. Since he is their leader, the more status for Springsteen, the better they feel about themselves. Like I said, the record labels own their slaves, their money, their music. Something tells me Patti Scialfa just might have been around back in the days of my childhood when I was a Monarch slave.

Since the Reunion Tour, Bruce has been among the better paid musician almost every year. And if we add the 25 previous years + the 100 millions $ contract + the next tour that might break all his previous records, if Bruce is not the richest, who could it be???

Note: Before you answer "Who cares?", I'd like to remind you that this is only to fill my curiosity.


Who cares!!

Although, as I've stated, the record labels own their slaves, their music, their money, how 'bout, Paul McCartney, Madonna, Rolling Stones, Prince, etc.

They were on the list of the wealthiest people in the world and other musicians, as well.

But, not your beloved Springsteen.

08-31-2007, 06:28 PM
So, Springsteen's ticket prices are much less expensive than other musicians because he really cares about his fans or people wouldn't spend more money to see him in concert!

The latter!

08-31-2007, 06:40 PM
I was fed disinformation to a certain degree, on Springsteen's site that I had an alter by the name of Patti who was evil and responsible for cutting up the baby I supposedly had with him.

Inotherwords, this is what is referred to as twinning.

A good Patti and an evil Patti.

One or more the personalities that the controllers create has a good side and a bad side.

They split the personality in two.

Triggers can cause a psychotic break, from pleasant personality, to anger, destructive, violent, etc.

So, in this sense, the core is not aware of what they may have been doing to themselves or others.

I WAS ALWAYS TOLD BY MY PROTECTORS that I didn't have a mean bone in my body.

They did all they could with repetition to protect me from myself and my abusers; to deprogram me the best they could when I would report to them.

I'm not sure I believe this part about the twinning. It may be disinformation to go along with the BABY story.

As I've stated, I had a double. When I first awoke, I began to think I had actually had a twin sister who died at birth and also, that some of the pictures of me in elementary school, were not me at all.

I was told that the doppleganger who was in my neighborhood upon my awakening and people were reporting they saw me here and there; even my son at one point, was to make it appear that I had switched and was unaware of my daily activities. This doppleganger was driving the same make, model, color car as me with the exact same dent in the bumper.

This occurred when I was a child, too. I remember being told I was seen here or there when I knew that I hadn't been.

A tactic as well to make one think they are "crazy."

Could a double have been used to replace me in school when I was taken elsewhere?

Don't know.

If I reported that I didn't stay in school; that they took me elsewhere then it could be said that the teachers saw me in school, etc.

Again, a tactic to cause a young child not to be believed. Looked upon as a liar and not trusting your own mind.

Springsteen could also have a double.

Patti Scialfa and I are similar looking with red-hair and about the same age.

Just something that I'm pondering.

Dopplegangers are also used to discredit witnesses.

08-31-2007, 08:26 PM
For American musicians in 2005-2006, Springsteen ranked #11 on the Forbes chart for the wealthiest musicians.

That's number 11 folks. Not number ONE!

To all his desperate fans.


In a one year time period, he dropped from #11 to a big ZERO!

08-31-2007, 08:36 PM
Well, since Springsteen isn't a billionaire or one of the 100 wealthiest people in the world and only ranked number 11 on the Forbes 2005/2006 wealthiest musicians, but apparently dropped off the radar completely for 2006/2007, they want to know the largest crowd he's played for.

Grasping at straws.

He just has to be on the top of someone's list to validate their "insane" obsession with him.

That's pathetic in and of itself.

Speaks volumes of their character.

In my book, you admire someone for what they are and not what you wish they would be.

In my book, admiration for someone is not judged as to how much fortune and fame they have.

In Springsteen's fan's "Book of Dreams," that's how they measure their worth; according to Springsteen's popularity and wealth.

He's been singing to them about dreams for so long, that's what their life has become.

One big dream/illusion built around him.

If their "leader" is at least one of the wealthiest musicians...

If their leader has played to the largest crowd....

Then this validates their "insane" obsession with him.

08-31-2007, 08:40 PM

When the lyrics were released for "Radio Nowhere," fans were questioning the line, "dirt dial."

A poll was started.

Which is it?

Dirt dial, dead dial, etc., etc.

Who cares?

As usual, one line in "Radio Nowhere" is about having been in a dark hole.

Where else could you imagine this man?

On a bright, sunny beach singing about happiness?

08-31-2007, 08:46 PM
One poster is jealous because Patti is 50 something and, according to this poster, looks great!!


As if Patti Scialfa is the only female in her 50's who this person thinks looks great.

08-31-2007, 08:49 PM
I guess their incessant use of smiley faces and emoticons are for the reading impaired or perhaps they're verbally challenged.

08-31-2007, 08:52 PM
Who does Springsteen have his lips locked with in the post by PAC on this page?

Is that Clarence?


08-31-2007, 09:20 PM
Okay, so someone will have to watch Springsteen and the "E Street Band" perform on the Plaza and let me know if the crowd is what the BTX'ers seem to think it will be.

Thinking people are going to be driving from all over the place to see this.

One poster LOVES all the attention and hype surrounding Bruce and E Street once again.

Why would you care?

Don't you have anything better to do with your life then relish in someone else's?

I'm trying to figure this out.

Is he a player or a serious fanatic?

I don't know.

It's just strange.

Obviously, they think that playing on the Plaza will illicit worldly attention and all eyes are going to fixed on the television set to view the King and Queen of Rock 'n' Roll.

Ten minutes or so and then it's all over.

Again, if their leader receives attention from outside the cult, I guess it validates their "insane" obsession.

Anyway, Matt referred to Springsteen's music as "heartland."

I've already ranted about that.

Kate Couric referred to Max Weinberg as Max "Weinberger" during her interview back in 2002 and to Patti as "ScalfIA."

I guess Springsteen needs to play the Plaza cause Bon Jovi did back in June.

One poster comments:

The Bon Jovi show at the end of June was supposedly the largest they ever had. And not that we aren't diehards here, but the Bon Jovettes are CRAZY. Started sleeping out like the night before-and barely any of them got in; the middle was almost all reserved for VIPs, penned into little pit like sections. the very back was for the first ones who got there...everyone else overflowed way back up to the 50s. It was lunacy.

One poster hopes there more professionalism on the 28th when they play the plaza, referring to the mistakes, because it's such a big thing.

For who?


Obviously, not for Matt or the rest of the crew. Apparently, they don't pay any attention to Bruce Springsteen, his music, his wife, or the E Street Band.

One poster believes the following:

It's going to be completely and utterly insane there. That area around the stage is small, and yes, people will have to camp out all night if they want any hope of being within a distance where they can see the band. I love seeing Bruce live, but there is no way I'd wait all night there to see him play two or three songs. But I can't wait to hear the strories of people who do.

They should have done it via remote from AP again.

They are so excited when their LEADER receives attention.

08-31-2007, 09:30 PM
All this cheering by the fanatics for Springsteen and Scialfa makes you wonder if they really think that they're both losers.

Billboard says:

Patti Scialfa, “Play It as It Lays” (Columbia Records)

It’s to Patti Scialfa’s considerable credit that she’s launched a potent solo career in the shadow of husband Bruce Springsteen, and in doing so has not tried to chase after anything but the mature kind of music she naturally makes. The Garden State native is at heart a Greenwich Village troubadour with a soul of ... well, soul, the classic variety from Memphis as distilled by scores of Jersey shore joints. “Play It As It Lays” is Scialfa’s third and most accomplished solo album. She makes her sources clear on the Chiffons-referencing “Like Any Woman Would,” the “Sally Go Round the Roses” snippet in “The Word” and the Janis Ian “Society’s Child” nod in “Town Called Heartbreak.” “Play Around” sounds like a lost Lieber & Stoller tune for the Drifters.


The above review is no big deal, but a poster at BTX comments, "LOVE IT!"

Scialfa's released three CDs throughout her entire music career, if that's what you want to refer to it as and she's certainly not a "shining star" with the E Street Band.

You would think these people had some vested interest in continuing to prop Springsteen and his wife up.

Is it because they know HE's GOING DOWN to the river, mister, were they bring you up to do like your daddy done.

08-31-2007, 10:34 PM
Originally posted: August 31, 2007

867-5309 - Tommy 'Tutone' Heath speaks!
Lots of folks have noticed the similarity between Bruce Springsteen’s new single, “Radio Nowhere,” and Tommy Tutone’s 1982 hit “867-5309/Jenny” – and one of those people is Tommy Heath, Tommy Tutone’s lead singer. (Tommy Tutone is the name of a band, not a person.)

“Everybody’s calling me about it,” Heath said on the phone Friday morning from Oakland International Airport, where he was about to board a plane for Austin, Tex., to play a show.

Heath said he hasn’t actually heard all of “Radio Nowhere,” just the opening; someone sent him the link to the online Pop Machine, which offers short snippets of each song’s intro plus the two passages played atop one another. But he’s already pondering his legal options.

“I think it’s close enough that if I wanted to, I could work with it,” said Heath, who said he owns 12 percent of the publishing rights to “867-5309.” Jim Keller (the band’s lead guitarist) and Alex Call co-wrote the song.

Most musical plagiarism cases hinge on borrowed melodies, while these two songs’ similarities lie more in the chord changes and beat. Heath acknowledged he’d have to hear the entire song before he took any action.

“I don’t really get into that sort of thing,” he said, “but the kids do need braces so maybe I will.”

08-31-2007, 10:45 PM
Post number nine by isthatmebaby.

Are you telling me this is the same person on the cover of the "Magic" CD?

Is it just the difference in his hair?


09-01-2007, 09:56 AM
I've stated on this thread how I lost 20 pounds when I was on Springsteen's official site.

I'm not sure what triggered the "starve yourself to death" alter, it may have been the fact that I was revealing information about the government or that the psychological and emotional abuse had brought this alter to the surface, which is what they sought.

I was hearing "the voices" that were telling me I was afraid to eat, my food was poisoned, etc. There was definitely a very evil alter trying to take over my core during that time.

Those voices have passed.

Occasionally, they surface here and there, but they aren't something I can't deal with even when they were in full force several years ago and I suffocated them.

In addition, eating for me was an alter changing trigger when I was young that called up the alter who carried the delta and starve yourself to death commands.

FYI, at present, a slight change in my psychological state of being is still affected when I eat.

As I said, it usually passes and it isn't something I would ever act upon because I AM AWARE OF IT.

So, this was something I had to learn to overcome at a young age.

Either let the evil alter starve my core to death (anorexia), or learn to eat without acting upon the KILL commands and/or self-mutilation triggers.

There were many times when my mother was instrumental in teaching me how to stick my finger down my throat and vomit.

09-01-2007, 10:09 AM
There was a video posted on BTX of "The Making of Born to Run."

It was pathetic.

The psycho-babble about a song and how important it is and what it meant.

Their lips move but I don't know what they're saying.

What does, baby, this town rips the bones from you back mean?

Death trap?

Suicide rap?


Yes, what a song.

Anyway, a poster says from 6:29 minutes and after of the video, isn't that the most beautiful thing you've every seen?

I'm like what?

Springsteen in a studio singing JUNGLELAND!

Actually, no.

It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.

During the video of The Making of Born to Run Springsteen talks about how he can't be bought, what happens when dreams don't come true and is love real.

First of all, you were bought.

Secondly, not everyone lives in a world believing in dreams. Try reality, pal!

And, if your dreams don't come true, you deal with it and move on.

And, if you don't know if love is real it might be because you don't know how to love.

So, one of the band members, says that when he hears "Born to Run" in the grocery store, which, by the way, doesn't happen. That song doesn't lend itself to music that is piped into restaurants, grocery stores, etc.

This person, band member or not, says it makes him want to run out into traffic and kill himself.

Are you thinking, what I'm thinking?

09-01-2007, 10:57 AM
OOOOhhhhh, Max Weinberg has plans this weekend, but he couldn't reveal them when asked by Conan.

Must be he's involved in some, "top secret," classified operation with Springsteen and The E Street Band.

09-01-2007, 10:57 AM
Oh, the mystery.

Keep them guessing.

Incite their curiosity.

09-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Radio Somehwere

I finally found my way home
got tired of listening to your voice drone
i was sittin' around like a live wire
feeling happy and inspired

this is radio somewhere
this is radio somewhere

i know there are plenty of people alive out there
i know there are plenty of people alive out there

this is radio somewhere
this is radio somewhere

i know there are plenty of people who can hear
i know there are plenty of people who can hear

i'm not livin' in a dark hole
i'm not stranded nor alone
i'm walkin' on a sunny beach
not hearing a million tongues speak

i don't want to feel your rhythm
i don't want to hear your drums
i don't want to listen to
your guitars strum

not tryin' to make a connection
you're just some fleeting reflection
not bopping through the wild blue
looking for you

this is radio somehwere
i know there are plenty of people alive out there

this is radio somewhere
i know there are plenty of people who can hear

09-01-2007, 12:08 PM
One of the BTX posters has an inside connection with the caterer who supplies Clarence Clemens with his roasted chickens during shows.

For this reason, she has received a clue that there will be more shows in some of the cities that thus far, only have one date according to the roasted chicken orders.

Also, based upon the caviar that is supplied for Springsteen.

A rich man in poor man's clothes enjoy caviar.

09-01-2007, 04:16 PM
The Springsteen fanatic's states of mind are derived from his songs, from his public appearances, anything that's written about him, anytime there is a "Bruce" sighting.

They are emotionally co-dependent.

He is the excitement in their lives.


Is that not pathetic?


It's pathetic.


Without him, they have no lives.

No excitement.

Nothing to look forward to!

Is that not pathetic?


In my most humble opinion.

Look at the lyrics to Radio Nowhere.

A song without sexually deviant lyrics, but still non-sensical.

Not as non-sensical, wandering and scattered as many of his other songs.

But, still, non-sensical.

Oooohhhh, maybe there's a hidden meaning/message in the song for fans.

Just wait til they get a hold of the other songs on the CD.

They'll be pondering the lyrics to these for years to come.

Gosh, no.

I just can't imagine these songs live.

Seriously, the world will never be the same once Springsteen takes the stage and performs these songs.

He will walk across the water.

Part the Red Sea.

He will turn day to night.

I'm sure, as I've said, the earth will stop spinning on its' axis and GOD will descend from the skies.

Jesus, too!

09-01-2007, 04:28 PM
Oh, and I forgot.

All threats of terrorist attacks will cease upon the release of Springsteen's new CD and when his tour begins.

The fascist/police state we will soon be imprisoned in will no longer be.

Well, actually this is how it will work.

Springsteen will be PROTECTED because he's one of THEM.

But, the rest of us.

Oh, no!

When that time descends upon us, your beloved hero whom you think has changed the world for the better when he's actually done not a thing; whom you think has morals; but has in reality aided the NWO, will no longer be your HERO.

He won't do a think to help you.

Trust me.

I've been there.

He'll watch you rot in hell.

Remember, he told you in one of his songs:

"Welcome to the NWO."

He left me to ROT IN HELL.

I say it's his turn now!

09-01-2007, 09:12 PM
Springsteen's voice on the "Magic" albums sounds fantastic according to his posse'.

The voice is back, they say.

Did he lose it?

It's never been there.

I guess they must have spent alot of time in the studio making MAGIC with it.

You know, they don't pay sound engineers not to do their job.


Springsteen's voice always sounds better on a CD than live.

I wonder why that is?

09-01-2007, 09:14 PM
If it weren't for sound engineers, Springsteen's CD would never sell.

09-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Funny, the fanatics have to listen to Springsteen's song over and over again before they convince themselves they like it.

You know, if you put your foot in the water and it's cold, the water's cold.

If you hear a song and it doesn't grab you the first time around, it probably won't grab you unless you listen to it a few hundred times, like the fanatics do, and "brainwash" yourself into believing that because Springsteen sang it, it's good.

They have certainly been conditioned to acceptance no matter what!

09-01-2007, 09:22 PM
It's just to hard to admit that the man they worship isn't really a good songwriter, singer or guitar player.

It's all been media hype and you bought it.

09-01-2007, 09:25 PM
They're all being tempted and teased now with sneak peaks of the remaining songs on the Magic album.

30 second clips of each song!

Wetting their appetities.

Give us more, Bruce.

Give us more, Bruce!

09-01-2007, 09:32 PM
Oh, my, a poster just received Scialfa's CD in the mail with the lyric book included and the photos inside were taken by Springsteen and they are very intimate.

The "boys" on the site should appreciate the pics of Patti, one poster comments.


Them boys are going to be drooling over Sciafla.

I wonder why?

Perhaps cause they understand if you're Springsteen's wife, you're really basically his sex object.

Tramps like Scialfa and Springsteen, baby they were Born to Run.

09-01-2007, 09:34 PM
Now that Springsteen snapped a few photos for Scialfa's CD, he's "Bruce the Photographer."

09-02-2007, 09:35 AM
Springsteen was eating a chicken pita sandwich yesterday at a horse show.

How exciting!


Q:What was your reaction the first time you heard (Springsteen's infamous lusty homage to his wife) "Red Headed Woman?"

A:(laughs) I'm laughing because I'm trying to think how honest I should be. So I'll be completely honest and throw caution to the wind here. I was finishing up my "Rumble Doll" record at the time. We're in our house in Los Angeles and I'm sitting in bed reading a book and Bruce is playing guitar. And he says, "You need songs on your 'Rumble Doll' record that are bragging about yourself and putting yourself forcefully out there. I said, "No, no, no, that's not what this record is about. I'm not doing that. That's for you to do, I'm not writing a song about myself." And he says, "Yeah, yeah. You need a song like 'Red Headed Woman," and he starts making it up and singing as we're sitting there. I remember the day that song came about 'cause I was laughing and I said, "I'm not going to be singing that one. That's for you." And he ended up really finishing it. And we were laughing all the while he was writing it. It was just funny.


Did Springsteen actually think Scialfa would be singing "Red-headed Woman" after he wrote it?

She had to tell him that she wasn't going to be singing that one.

Would be quite strange, if she did put that song on her record and sing about herself in that way.

That's the type of song Springsteen thinks he or his wife should sing in order to BRAG about her?

09-02-2007, 09:43 AM


"Springsteen fans may seek this out due to their hardcore devotion or curiosity. But you don't have to be a Springsteen devotee to appreciate Scialfa's artistic talents. She proves again here that she's her own woman, one who's recorded some exceptional work, and this is right up there with her best."


This writer says that Scialfa has recorded some exceptional work, and this new CD is right up there with her best.

Did someone pay him good money to write this?

Other than this CD, she's recorded two other CD's spanning several decades.

Apparently, her lastest CD isn't her best but it is right up there with her best!

So, which CD would be her best?

"Rumble Doll" or "23rd Street Lullaby?"

Anybody ever hear of them?

09-02-2007, 07:55 PM
Here's a snippet of Springsteen's song, "Livin' in the Future" from his Magic CD.

The posters at BTX are listening to 30 second soundbytes and trying to interpret.

These could be wrong, however, one poster says that he has to question Landau's statement that the song "Devil's Arcade" on the Magic CD is the only overtly political song, because, by golly this verse from "Livin' in the Future," surely is political to him.

This is the verse they've interpreted:

Woke up election day
Sky's gunpowder and shades of gray
Beneath the dirty sign, whistle my time away
Then just about sundown, you come walkin' down
your boot heels clickin' like the barrel of a pistol spinnin' 'round
Don't worry darlin', now baby
We're livin' in the future


Oh, yes. I guess it's political because the words election day appear.

I wonder why they don't question, the "don't worry darlin', now baby, we're livin' in the future."

Like I said, he's not worried about livin' in the US in the future, cause he's one of them.


New World Order.

So, what? He's telling his fans not to worry about livin' in the future after Bush was placed in power on election day and accelerated the fascist/police state.

Conditioning them toward the NWO.

However, who is this man constantly talking to in his songs?


Don't worry, darlin'.

Now baby.

Same in the "Magic" song.

Tryin' to make a connection with you.

Why not, don't worry.


Always some baby, some darlin', some little girl.

I think the man is delusional.

Or, perhaps, addressing his fans who are in an altered state of consciousness and, as their leader, he is saving them; telling them not to worry, tryin' to make a connection with them.


Their hero/politician, Springsteen, is going to save the world with this policial song.

09-02-2007, 07:58 PM
You can't marry outside of the cult, so for anyone to think Patti Scialfa somehow saved Springsteen or is going to save Springsteen.

Think again!

My past abuse by Springsteen has nothing to do with Patti Scialfa.

She's a non-entity as far as that issue is concerned.

09-02-2007, 08:01 PM
The picture of Clarence and Springsteen in a passionate kiss is what I'm talkin' about.

I'm sure there are more where those came from.

Funny, isn't it?

The brits must not know their music.

Considering they refer to "Born to Run" as a pop song.

If Springsteen plays the Super Bowl, what's he going to sing?


Red-headed woman?

Jungle Land?

Born to Run?

On the Prowl for a Wild Child?

09-02-2007, 08:07 PM
Or, maybe at the Super Bowl, Springsteen can sing one of these:

Cautious man
used cars
dry lightning
Silver Palomino
Pink Cadillac

I'm sure everyone knows the words.

Maybe, "Code of Silence" would be good!

09-02-2007, 08:39 PM
I suppose Springsteen's fans think that he would have awoke to a beautiful blue sky on election day had Kerry been placed in office because Springsteen supported him publicly.

I suppose they would have also thought, had Kerry been placed in office, that their hero would have been responsible for this.

Kerry is an "elitist" and a part of the cult. The same as Springsteen, Bono and Bush are. To name a few.

Springsteen hangs with Kerry.

Bono hangs with Bush.

Bush is Skull and Bones and so, too, is Kerry.

As I said, I was used as a child to sexually blackmail Kerry and Springsteen knows this.

Springsteen dedicated a "love song" to Kerry when he attended one of his shows.

Now, you figure it out from there.

A picture of Springsteen and Clarence Clemens in a passionate kiss.

A politician campaigning with a rock star and a rock star allowing his campaign to use his songs.

As if anyone cares who Springsteen supports and doesn't support.

As if anyone thinks that what Springsteen says politically holds any weight.

Only his "brainwashed" fans who follow him blindly.

09-02-2007, 08:43 PM
Then we have the Clinton's with their Fleetwood Mac campaign theme song, "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow."

Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks, the witch, serving the same masters.

09-02-2007, 08:52 PM
Many of the elitists have children who participate in Equestrian horse shows.

The one at the Hamptons attracted, Springsteen with his daughter; Lou Dobbs; Billy Joel, Michael Bloomberg, Steven Spielberg.

Not sure about Lou Dobbs, but the other four, certainly cut from the same cloth.

09-02-2007, 09:15 PM
I've already said Springsteen is a sexual deviant.

I've already said this involves homosexual behavior and sex with little girls.

You know, when Springsteen wrote "Red Headed Woman" for Scialfa to sing on one of her CD's in order to brag about herself and she said, that's for you to sing.

If it were me, I would have said, scratch that one!

I prefer you not sing about oral sex with me.

Like I said, no morals.

09-02-2007, 09:22 PM
I've already stated I was incarcerated in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used as a child "sex slave" in the music industry and to sexually blackmail politicians at home and abroad.

Including Pierre Trudeau.

I've already stated I was passed around to various musicians and that Bruce Springsteen was my main handler/controller/abuser.

I was a "little girl."

I was not the only "little girl."

Rolling Stones song, "What's Your Name, Little Girl," shouldn't you stay? There's no shame, little girl.

This makes them pedophiles.

Pedophilia is a CRIME!!

It is time for them to pay the price!

Not only for their sexually deviant behavior, but for incarcerating innocent children in CIA mind control programs and using them in Mafia pornography and to sexually service politicians at home and abroad.

For the torture inflicted upon me and so many other innocent children.

Do you think maybe Springsteen serviced Kerry when he was a child?

09-02-2007, 09:35 PM
The "worshippers" are so stressed out over the upcoming CD and tour that when someone writes a paradoy of one of Springsteen's songs, 2Hearts replies, "thanks for lightening the mood around here."


Go home!

Go outside.

Get some fresh air.

They can't.

They're all Springsteen's prisoners.

09-02-2007, 10:27 PM
OF all the subjects Patti Scialfa might consider probing on her third album, you’d think her marriage would be low on the list.

For one thing, fans have been scouring her songs for Bruce Springsteen-related subtext since she released her first solo record, “Rumble Doll,” in 1993 — tiresome for an artist who has had much to say about her own eventful life. And for another, few would expect the public dissection of a relationship from the happily married wife of a rock god.

She's produced two albums before this one, so, her fans, Springsteen's fans no doubt, have been scouring her songs for Bruce Springsteen-related subtext. Certainly won't take them long considering it only involves three CDs. I think the writer and Scialfa are delusional to think anyone scours her music for Springsteen related sub-text. Few would expect the public dissection of a relationship with a happily married wife of a rock GOD. Few would expect it, because only a few care, if even that. What the hell is a ROCK GOD? Oh, someone like Springsteen who is a musician, but a GOD to his followers. I get it now.

But “Play It as It Lays” (Columbia), a weary, emotion-rich record scheduled to be released on Tuesday, is pointedly about Ms. Scialfa’s 16-year marriage to Mr. Springsteen. And she doesn’t shrink from saying so.

Weary describes it best. This record is about her 16 year marriage to Springsteen. Why does she think anyone cares about her marriage to Springsteen? Obsessed Springsteen fans maybe, but I highly doubt that, too.

Oh, yes, Looking for Elvis and A Town Called Heartbreak are definitely about their marriage. I'm so interested. I've been waiting for this CD forever so I can learn about their marriage in these very deep songs that tell all.

“My records always deal with a question I have that I don’t know how to answer,” she said from a comfortable living room in her 1720s farmhouse on 400 acres here. “The question this time was about the conflicts and the complexities in a long-term relationship, the real things that go on.”

A Town Called Heartbreak deals with a question you have but don't have an answer to? HUH?? It's about the conflicts and the complexities in a long-term relationship, the real things that go on. Sounds like she's always talking about a very difficult time being married to Springsteen. I don't think she knows what the lyrics to the song are.

“Everybody knows what the good stuff is in a long-term relationship, and so for me it was more compelling and interesting to go into the areas where the conflicts are,” she added. “I find those things fascinating to write about — complexities, the darker stuff, the things that are under the rug, in the back room and in the cellar. It was a little scary, I have to say.”

It was scary writing these songs? HUH? Looking for Elivs and A Town Called Heartbreak?? Yeah, real scary!!

What comes through on the record, though, is not callowness but boldness, a determination to get right her many roles: Ms. Scialfa, 54, is the mother of the couple’s three teenagers as well as a solo artist and a member of both the E Street and the Seeger Sessions bands. The most discernible theme is a sense of domestic ennui.

I don't think this writer has listened to the songs. If she hasn't gotten her roles right yet at 54, maybe she's doing something wrong.

“It’s easy to dull down a bit, to knee-jerk into clichés, when you’re raising a family,” said Ms. Scialfa, commenting on the opening song, “Looking for Elvis,” which is about personal reinvention. “And Bruce and I — I work on his tour, so I’m working a lot. So you want to keep yourself open to your own intuition and your own rhythms, but it’s hard. It’s hard to keep alive those original seeds you plant in yourself.”

Looking for Elvis is about personal reinvention?? Yeah, real deep lyrics about personal reinvention, alright.

Ms. Scialfa took 11 years between her first two albums, “Rumble Doll” and “23rd Street Lullaby” in 2004 (Columbia), because of obligations with her family and with the E Street Band, and she regrets not touring behind “Rumble Doll.” (“I saw that I had three kids in diapers — it was a huge transition — and I derailed myself,” she said.) Her “23rd Street Lullaby” tour was brief, only five cities, because of tours with Mr. Springsteen. And the making of “Play It as It Lays,” which Ms. Scialfa will tour behind in 2008 after a flurry of television appearances, was put on hold because of scheduling with the Seeger Sessions Band.

Sounds like Springsteen derails your most accomplished career as a solo artist. Or, most likely you use him as an excuse for the reason you don't tour when the reality is that the record company won't finance a tour because they'd lose money. There wasn't a Springsteen tour that interfered with 23rd Street Lullaby. That was released way before The Seeger Sessions and after the release Springsteen was touring solo for Devils and Dust. This writer says her tour for "Play it as it Lays" was put on hold because of scheduling with the Seeger Sessions Band. That gig is over, pal. As usual, it's on hold because of an upcoming "E Street Band" tour. So convenient, how her other commitment to the E Street Band seems to get in the way of her own tour.

She recorded the album at home; her backup band, which gave itself the silly name the Whack Brothers, consisted of the co-producer, Steve Jordon (percussion, acoustic guitar), Willie Weeks (bass), Nils Lofgren (guitars, pedal steel guitar, dobro), Cliff Carter (keyboards) and Mr. Springsteen (Hammond B3 organ, acoustic guitars, electric guitar, harmonica).

Mr. Jordon’s presence grounded her, she said. “Steve I’ve known since I was 19. I needed to be surrounded by people who gave me my autonomy, do you know? Who reflected back my own path. That was important.”

GAWD. She makes it sound like producing a CD is so stressful. She needed to be surrounded by Steve because she's known him since she was 19. I guess MR. SPRINGSTEEN didn't make her feel secure enough. These people give her her autonomy. They reflected back on her own path??? HUH????

That quest for autonomy is understandable. Ms. Scialfa is still subject to cries of “Bruuuuuce!” when she takes the stage, and she often crosses paths with fans who want to assign Mr. Springsteen a larger role in her music — “People say: ‘Oh, did he write that? It sounds like something he wrote,’ ” she said.

Oh, poor Scialfa!! Isn't a famous musician in her own right. Overshadowed by THE BOSS. Get a backbone!

Forging an identity apart from Mr. Springsteen’s can be an uphill battle, as any number of New Jersey rock artists pelted by requests for his songs have discovered. Ms. Scialfa had a final word of advice for them:

Poor thing doesn't have an identity of her own. Another excuse for an unsuccessful solo career. She's the one who chose to join the E Street Band because she is a back-up singer; not a very good one at that and a record label didn't want to sign her for a solo career. Since you're such an introspective who seems to have so much advice to offer about relationships, why is it, in your 50's, you still don't have your own identify?

“Just say no,” she said.

Just say no when a request to play a Springsteen song is made by an audience member to a New Jersey rock artist. Why? You have that much disdain for your husband's music? What? You fear if they play a Springsteen song, the rock group will lose their identity, too?

09-02-2007, 10:51 PM
Oh, yes, Scialfa's CD is about trying to "get right" her many roles.

Like I said, it must all be so very difficult for her.

Many of us have the same roles.

Wife, mother, career.

You know, I'm getting kind of WEARY listening to Mrs. Scialfa whine in every interview and I'm also tiring of the press whining for her.

Cry me a river!

Life is tough.

Deal with it.

Or, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

09-02-2007, 11:42 PM
More whining about how Mrs. Scialfa has been misperceived and details about her marriage. Maybe if she stopped talking about Springsteen in every interview she wouldn't be negating herself.

Very boring interview and person because it's the same type of psychobabble that Springsteen delivers.

Scialfa doesn't give the impression that she's happily married.


The biggest misconception about Patti Scialfa may be that she was some amateur singer when Bruce Springsteen ushered her into The E Street Band in 1984. In fact, she had been in bands dating back to her teen-age years, had studied jazz in college, sung on her own and with acts including Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and had been pursuing a record label deal while writing a vast number of original songs. Of course, joining The E Street Band, and subsequently marrying Springsteen in 1991, put a lot of other aspects of her career on hold. She's released only two solo albums prior to her new disc, "Play It As It Lays," which is set for release on Columbia Records on Tuesday . It's earthy, soulful, intimate, rockin' and cool, much like the woman herself, and features 10 new Scialfa originals.

You've just described the very thing you say she wasn't. Which is an amateur singer. If she wasn't an amateur singer before she joined the E Street Band, her name would have been recognized then and now as a "professional" in the music industry rather than the wife of Bruce Springsteen.

While she sings and plays acoustic guitar and organ, she's got some typically impressive guests on board as well, including keyboardist Cliff Carter, drummer Steve Jordan, bassist Willie Weeks, guitarist Nils Lofgren, violinist Soozie Tyrell, and yes, that Springsteen fellow, who provides some musical backup on a handful of tracks. But make no mistake about it, this is Scialfa's work, and it's even more impressive than her two previous, critically lauded albums.

Critically lauded??? It's not hard to be more impressive with a new CD when you only have two before it.

She recently spoke about her career, the new album, life with Springsteen and The E Street Band, and much more:

Q:It took you 11 years between your first album, "Rumble Doll," and your second album, "23rd Street Lullaby." But you came back relatively quickly just three years later with this disc. Did you have a burst of creative energy or just more time available?

A:Just more time available. My kids are teen-agers and also I was new at making records when I made "Rumble Doll," with just Mike Campbell and I in his garage, just the two of us. And we'd overdub everything afterwards. I was pregnant and having children during it, and it was hard just to get momentum going for myself. With "23rd Street," I had recorded that whole record once before and mixed it, and it didn't sound the way I really wanted it to sound so I had to start at block one again. It just took a long time. I didn't understand about having a really good team around me.

I wrote "23rd Street" after the record was done and I realized it needed a head piece. I said, "Wait a second, this record is about all my experiences in New York but I don't have a song that really telegraphs that." So I wrote "23rd Street." This time when I went back in the studio, we went in with a whole band and I was like, "This is the way to work. Just cut everybody live and play it once." I think I was just too much of a control freak to do it with my other record, I just felt it was too unwieldy. I managed to feel more confident, I knew all the players. We played well together, we played live.

Q:You're doing several TV appearances in conjunction with the album's release. Any plans to tour?

A:Hopefully I'll be able to do something after the New Year, that's my window.

Q:You've got some wonderful musicians with you on this album, including Soozie Tyrell, with whom you go back many years. How did the two of you get to know each other?

A:I was playing at a club called Dr. Generosity's in New York City, which is a funky little bar with a tiny little stage in the back, you could only fit three or four people. I was playing with Cliff Carter and Hiram Bullock, who's a brilliant guitar player, and she (Tyrell) was in the audience. She was all by herself, she was like 19 at the time or 18. I'm a few years older than her, I think I was 20 or 21. She was so sweet. I was playing all my original music and she was listening to every word and every lyric. And she was really appreciative. After my set was over I introduced myself 'cause she just had this beatific face filled with compassion. She was a great girl. She was my girl crush (laughs). We became great friends, best friends and we started playing together immediately.

Soozie was Patti's girl crush. When she met her she had a beautific face filled with compassion. She was a great girl.

Q:The album starts off with "Looking for Elvis." We just passed the 30th anniversary of Elvis' death. What did he mean to you and what's his role in this song?

A:Elvis was used as a metaphor in the song. For me, the young Elvis embodied the American dream. There was all that youth and vitality and the hopefulness inside his work and his performance. So that idea of that innocence ... was very appealing to me. So I used him as an idea of trying to find that again within yourself, within the people around you, within your country.

Elvis embodied the American dream. HUH?? Pretty bad metaphor. Trying to find youth and vitality within your country.

Q:You were singing for years before you joined The E Street Band, but some people still don't realize that. What are your earliest memories of singing and when did you first start singing professionally?

A:I started singing in bands when I was 14 and 15. Now when I look at my kids at that age, it's shocking to me. My first band was called Ecstasy.

Qo you ever regret that you didn't make more solo albums?

A:Sure. It was just a decision that I had made. I'm not ambitious in the sense that I'll always write and I'll always be recording at my house. But the ambition to really get out there was always secondary. And once I had my family it became really secondary to my family. So I not only had a family with a husband and kids but as a member of The E Street Band, there was tremendous responsibility in that also, that takes a tremendous amount of time. So working out my own work was underneath that. So I think as my kids get older, I have more free time. I already have ideas for my next record and have part of that recorded. I feel safer to put that time into my own work.

Q: "Rainy Day Man" has a great groove. It's not only one of the best songs on the album, it's also got a pretty interesting story behind it. How did you come up with it?

A:We came in the studio that day to record a song that I had lying around for a long time called "Deliver Me." It has a groove to it, but it's a slower song. It's a very serious song. So everybody's in the studio and they're playing it and playing it very well, but I just became bored as we were rehearing it. And I thought, "I'm just so tired of trying to get a good track of this song because I always felt it was a good song but we hadn't caught it yet." And I said, "Y'know, I wrote something in the shower this morning; let's do that instead because it's really fun, it's light, and it's easy." And the guys, when they're in the studio they play funk music so well. So everybody's going, "No, no, no, we almost have this." But I said, "No, let's do this." And I sat down at the piano and I played it for them. And we recorded that track and then I had it, but I felt, "Oh, this is a little light. "I don't usually like happy songs, they make me nervous (laughs). I feel I can't write them as well, to tell you the truth.

Q:Of all the tours you've participated in, the tour in conjunction with "The Seeger Sessions" was among the most fascinating. What was that whole experience like from your perspective? And didn't Soozie play a big part in getting that whole concept off the ground?

A:First of all, it was like a carnival party. It was a blast. We have this farm and we would have a harvest party every year in September. Soozie brought down this band named Gotham Playboys and they would usually play at our parties. Bruce liked the way that they played and recorded some stuff when he was asked to do some songs for a Pete Seeger session a long time ago. Then when they were down, he'd fool around and do another couple of songs and something else would come about and he'd do another couple of songs. So we had a little bit of a library started of this kind of music and I guess he went back and listened to them and said, "Gee, I think I'll make a record out of this." So we went back into the studio and he started making a real record out of it and it was a blast. It was a joyous experience. It was very American, coming back to that sense of that dream, that hopefulness, that possibility ... All those musicians on stage, it was a blast.

Q:Have you and Bruce ever discussed doing a tour or even just a few shows with just the two of you, trading off songs?


Q:So no "Double Fantasy" in the future?

A:Noooooooooo. (laughs) I think it would be a natural inclination if Bruce was not such a well-known figure but the way that things are, it just doesn't seem right. I don't think people would enjoy it. Bruce has a really large fan base, I think that's something that feels very sacred to people. I don't think it's a good idea.

You don't think it' s a good idea, because your talent is lacking.

Q:When was the first time you heard Bruce perform in person?

A:Interesting. For years, I'd never heard him in person. I'd really only heard a little bit of his records. When I was in jazz school, I threw away all my rock'n'roll records and just studied jazz. When I sang, I had a gig in Florida and Cliff Carter played piano - he's on the record - we sang jazz, standard ballads and swing stuff. Bruce had a few records out at that time. And then in the city I started singing with the Jukes (Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes) because I knew the guitar player from high school. Then he said to me, "Have you ever seen Bruce Springsteen play?" And I said, "No, but I'm familiar with a little bit of his music." He said, "No, you have to see him live, you just won't believe this." You know the whole spiel people give you, "Oh, it's like a Bible meeting," or this or that.

And I just went, but I was still pretty entrenched in the jazz thing at the time. I went to see him at Madison Square Garden on "The River" tour and it was just beautiful. I had never seen anything like that. Just that kind of focus and the commitment of everybody on stage. And Bruce's truly intrepid journey that he is able to communicate with everyone around him (laughs). It was very beautiful. I knew Bruce's music and I liked his music but when I joined the band I knew the "Darkness" ("Darkness on The Edge of Town") record very, very well 'cause I remember listening to that for awhile. But the rest of the material I had heard, but I really didn't know. So I wasn't familiar with his whole catalog and I had to go in and learn his catalog.

Here she goes. Is overshadowed by her husband, but the interviewer seems not to want to talk about her, but about Springsteen and she just dives right in. What is there to talk about? They're musicians. It's not like they're curing world hunger or aids. How much can you say about a song? Apparently with Scialfa and Springsteen a whole lot of psychobabble.

Q:For you personally, what was the most difficult aspect of joining The E Street Band?

A:Learning the catalog. I joined that tour three days out and they really didn't have anybody to sing the harmonies because Steve (Van Zandt) had left, Nils (Lofgren) had come on board and he had the daunting task of learning the catalog inside and out because when Bruce is on stage he'll have a set list, but then he likes to call things out that you might not have gone over in a long time. Also Nils has a gorgeous voice but he had laryngitis and he couldn't really sing during the rehearsal, and that can make you feel a little insecure. So Bruce asked me to come up. I'd already known Bruce. We were casual friends, we'd hang out sometimes at the bars or go out for a hamburger or something. I met him in Jersey when I was sitting in with the band and he came up and introduced himself. He asked me to sing on his record. I knew him a bit, great guy. He said, "We're having problems with the harmonies; we probably won't ask anybody to come aboard, but come up and see how you fit in and sing." I sang with the band for a couple of days. Then three days before the first show, which I think was in St. Paul, the first show in the "Born in the USA" tour, he asked me to join. So I never really rehearsed. That was daunting, challenging - learning his catalog. I went out and had to learn everything. I wanted to know his catalog really well. It was fun. It was fun to learn. I learned just so much from working with The E Street Band, about that kind of focus. Bruce has an amazing work ethic.

Here we go. Bruce, Bruce and nothing but Bruce. Now she's explaining what a daunting task it was to become a part of the E Street Band. We all know how very little a contribution she makes. These interviews are so strange. Decades later, it's like they're trying to catch everybody up on her background. Why'd they wait so long? Maybe because there really isn't much to say of interest to anyone except Springsteen fanatics. I mean, seriously, folks, it's just not interesting. She's not interesting. Nothing personal. She just sounds very boring. She studied music, they met because they were both doing the same circuit in Asbury Park, she joined the E Street Band, had an affair with Springsteen and they married. End of story. Well, not quite the end yet, as far as I'm concerned.

Q:I love the title track, "Play It As It Lays." It was inspired by a Joan Didion novel. Tell me about that.

A:Joan Didion is a great writer. And it was a great title, "Play It As It Lays." When I write, I write in a funny way, to me it's like little chapters. So I knew I had my opening tune, which was "Looking For Elvis," and I knew that was my song that led you in. And I knew I wanted a song at the end of the record which addressed everything in the record and came up with some kind of idea of how to move forward from there. In her book "Play It As It Lays," she had these characters who always fell off the edge of the map, that became so dysfunctional that they couldn't integrate themselves into any kind of functioning social life - social meaning even children, husband, not social partying life but any kind of integrated sense with the world around them. Which is always fascinating to me, those kind of characters. But I wanted to take those characters and have them work their way back in. So that song to me was about taking somebody who had put themselves a little bit left of center and found a way to work themselves back in.

WOW. You took characters. Put them in a song. They were dysfunctional, but then worked themselves back in. All this in a song. Amazing. I thought the CD was about your 16 year marriage with Springsteen?

Q:What was your reaction the first time you heard (Springsteen's infamous lusty homage to his wife) "Red Headed Woman?"

A:(laughs) I'm laughing because I'm trying to think how honest I should be. So I'll be completely honest and throw caution to the wind here. I was finishing up my "Rumble Doll" record at the time. We're in our house in Los Angeles and I'm sitting in bed reading a book and Bruce is playing guitar. And he says, "You need songs on your 'Rumble Doll' record that are bragging about yourself and putting yourself forcefully out there. I said, "No, no, no, that's not what this record is about. I'm not doing that. That's for you to do, I'm not writing a song about myself." And he says, "Yeah, yeah. You need a song like 'Red Headed Woman," and he starts making it up and singing as we're sitting there. I remember the day that song came about 'cause I was laughing and I said, "I'm not going to be singing that one. That's for you." And he ended up really finishing it. And we were laughing all the while he was writing it. It was just funny.

I commented on this earlier in the thread. Yep. Write a song about oral sex with your red-headed wife and expect her to sing it on a CD so she can brag about herself. Better yet, she tells you to go ahead and include it on your CD.

Qo you and Bruce have different tastes when it comes to music you like to listen to? If so, can you think of examples?

A:It's fortunate in a marriage that our tastes run pretty much in the same vein, which is good. Which means our taste in films, our taste in books, even your taste in how you want your environment to look, that's fortunate and it makes everything pretty easy. A lot of times in the car, I don't listen to a lot of stuff in the car, because if I'm in the car with the kids, I try and set up a place where we can all talk. But now my kids are vying for playing their songs while we're in the car.

Q:What do they like?

A:Our oldest Evan, he's 17, he's turned me on to some really good music. Basically his favorite right now is Rage Against the Machine. He's into political music, which is really nice. He's got a great iPod, I keep saying, "Please just download all this stuff into my iPod, it's very eclectic." Sam, our youngest son, goes in for the classics. He's a big Bob Marley freak, Jimi Hendrix. And Jess likes all the female artists, so it's fun.

Q:You and Bruce have been together a long time. What's the key to keeping a rock'n'roll marriage strong?

A:Oh God, I have no idea, but we've been lucky. I think that working together has been a really good thing in our life. My mother and father always worked together and I think that ended up being a good thing. Because when anybody is traveling emotionally to different spots in their work or their ideas, you are alongside them, so you can experience them with each other. He does that with me and I do that with him. Those long separations, they can become destructive. And the biggest thing - he's very good - this is what he does: "You're right, Patti." He's learned to say "You're absolutely right." That's a big help for a long marriage (laughs).

Sometimes, I get the feeling when I'm reading these interviews with Scialfa and when I hear Springsteen talk, especially when they go into the psychobabble about their songs, that they somehow truly believe all of the world looks upon them for guidance.

09-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Scialfa talks about how working with your husband is a good thing, because the separation can be difficult when touring.

She joined the E Street Band in 1984.

The last tour was in 1988.

The band split in 1989.

This is before they were married.

The band reunited in 1999; 11 years later.

They toured in 2002 for "The Rising."

They did a "Vote for Change" gig.

So, since being married to Springsteen, the "E Street Band" has toured twice in 16 years.

It appears the separation is most pronounced when Springsteen tours solo or with another backing band.

Obviously, she doesn't have much of a career solo or with the "E Street Band."

She did fly back and forth to Europe when Springsteen was doing the Seeger Sessions tour in order to perform "If I Should Fall Behind" for the DVD.

09-03-2007, 11:40 AM
Okay, so the diehard Springsteen fans know that they should be quiet when Springsteen is playing a song that HAS MEANING.

They no the RULES.

Some of the casual fans aren't aware of this.

Occasionally, during the middle of a song, Springsteen has to tell the audience to STFU or "quiet please."

These words can be heard in some of the live releases.

Sometimes, he requests quite beforehand. Other times, he doesn't.

You know, maybe the man places more meaning in some of his songs than some of those who attend his shows do!

Or, maybe they just dont' take him seriously.


Patti Scialfa is going to be on the Letterman show and President Clinton will be a guest on the same night.

Posters are wondering if Springsteen has ever met Clinton and will he go to the Letterman show in order not to miss this opportunity.

Yes, he's met him at the White House during a ceremony for Dylan, I believe, where he performed an awful rendition of one of Dylan's songs.

But, anyway.

One poster says that wherever Patti is, Springsteen isn't far behind.

Perhaps this is one reason she doesn't feel she is independent of him.

Does he follow her around like a "puppy dog?"

09-03-2007, 11:48 AM
This was posted at BTX. A note from Nils.

Sept. 1 , 2007

Hello everyone, hope you're all in good health and spirits.

Me and Amy continue to miss the heck out of Terry M., especially now that E St. is about to fire up and tour. We call on your spirit every day for inspiration and courage Terry and will continue to. Long may your spirit run!

I'm excited and grateful for this imminent challenge to take great new music to the world with Bruce and E St. It is an honor and privilege to participate in this comfort, healing and joy through music which continues to be one of the formidable "sacred weapons" this planet needs desperately.

Here we go! He says he continues to be honored and prvileged to participate in this comfort, healing and joy through music which continues to be one of the formidable "sacred weapons" this planet needs desperately. HUH??? Oh, yes, music and the E Street Band heal the world.

I'm currently rehearsing with another extraordinary band led by Patti Scialfa (Patti and I joined E St. the same month in May of '84) as she releases a beautiful, soulful solo album this week. You'll love it! I'll ask Linda and Mary to post the details.

Ah, he's currently rehearsing with an extraordinary band led by Patti Scialfa. Yes, please post the details. Her album is due to be released so what else are you guys rehearsing? Aren't you going to be rehearsing with the E Street Band? Can't be in two places at one time.

I won't be able to do my traditional acoustic U.K.duo run this Fall (we’ll miss you!) however, we are still planning to do our annual Birchmere gigs Jan. 11 and 12. The "Muscatel" song and download will probably be avaliable early next week. I love it and hope you'll check it out! Anson and I will continue to work with our team to get some new and unreleased music to you as I take the E St. journey. Also, to you interested guitarists, sorry I haven't gotten to the "Youngstown" solo yet but I hope to do that from my hotel room during rehearsals. Please bear with me and thanks for spreading the word about the guitar school.

Thanks to my fabulous wife Amy, I have a beautiful home with 3 dogs, 2 cats and a teenager that I now get a new homesickness for when I hit the road. Luckily, Amy has always been supportive of my musical journey and is beautifully aware of the healing that Bruce offers the planet through his music with the E St. Band. She's been saying for years how much the world needs it and now it's happening so thanks beautiful, I love ya!

His wife is beautifully aware of the healing that BRUCE offers the planet through his music with the E Street Band. HUH? Most of the planet doesn't even listen to his music. I wonder in what form this healing takes place. Is Springsteen one of those frauds who proclaims to have healing powers, takes your money and heals nothing. Does this man actually believe what he is saying?

I will keep you all posted. I know some of you wish I would be doing more shows of my own and for that I am honored. However, please know this is all part of an incredible musical journey I've been blessed with and it will only inspire me in new ways which always helps me with my own music. You, the audience continue to be the most important part of the equation and for that I thank you from my heart.

Peace and Believe- Nils

09-03-2007, 03:36 PM
From www.backstreets.com

Springsteen and the E Street Band played a brief series of dates in 2004, but their last full-scale outing was the tour for The Rising in 2002 and 2003. Since that time, Bruce has continued to tour extensively: as a solo artist in 2005, and with the Sessions Band last year, playing, as he put it at the time, everything that leads to rock music, but not rock music.

Reminded of that now, Springsteen says emphatically, "Yeah -- I'll be playing the rock music this time. " He laughs, adding, "In case anybody's wondering."

Speaking with Backstreets by phone as tour preparation gets underway, Springsteen makes it clear that he tapped his rock side for Magic, an album meant to be played live: "It's just built for it," he says. "I wrote with a lot of melody, and with a lot of hooks, and there's a lot of band power behind the stuff that I wrote this time out. So I'm excited to hear that come straight off the band."

The 2007 E Street Band line-up will be the same as in 2002-2003 -- including violinist Soozie Tyrell, a veteran of the Rising tour and of last year's Sessions Band. Though not mentioned in today's press release, Springsteen confirms, "Soozie will be with us."

He still raves about the Sessions Band -- "a tremendous discovery, and just such an amazing group of musicians" -- and says he looks forward to working with them again. But when he refers to "the band," it goes without saying that he means E Street.

"The band is the band, you know?" Springsteen says. "It's the only place where I really do the thing that I suppose that I'm most known for, which is... it's a peak experience."

For Springsteen, transition between styles is second nature. He's been doing it to a large degree since 1982's Nebraska, his stark solo record between the big E Street blasts of The River and Born in the U.S.A. As his sonic repertoire expands, his commitment to performance -- whatever the sound may be -- remains constant.

"For it to be really great, you've got to be 100 percent committed at that moment. So when you're in it, that's all there is," he explains. "I think that's what it takes to be really good. So I'll just lose myself in whatever form I'm working in at any given moment. And the other things seem distant: 'Oh yeah, I like to do that too, and I like to do that too...' But really, I'm very comfortable moving between all the different formats that I play in now."

In fact, it's much like -- and as easy as -- shifting gears. It's no surprise to hear Springsteen employ a car metaphor, with the E Street band as the hotrod, as he looks toward reconvening the band for tour rehearsals.

"First of all, we start playing just to feel the machine again," he says, describing what happens after they initially plug in. "You've gotta drive it a little bit before you push the envelope on it." While Springsteen recorded Magic with the E Street Band, the studio process had them laying down tracks individually; September rehearsals will bring them back together to work up the new material as a unit. "We may run through a few things we know, just to reacquaint ourselves with the sound and the power of the band. How it moves underneath you, and everything. That's sort of the first thing I do, I refit myself into that bucket seat. 'Oh yeah, okay, now I remember...' And that takes all of about 15 minutes."

After that? Well, it's early enough that he's not ready to say. "I don't really go in with any rigid ideas. I'm interested in seeing where the music is going to take us and where the band feels best.... I think the initial thing you try to do is to find a place for a lot of your new work. I'm excited about that. We played a lot of The Rising on the [2002-2003] tour because, once again, it was stuff that just played really well live. We've got that again in spades on this record.

"And then you've got to see what people respond to. I have a good idea, but it's still a conversation with your audience. And when they start listening, and talking back, then different things come to the front."

How about "The Price You Pay," from The River, which hasn't made a setlist since 1981?

"It's become a thing just because I haven't played it," Bruce laughs. "If I had played it, nobody would give much of a damn if they heard it or not! Just because it hasn't been played.... You know, my recollection is that it's been a while since we've played 'Crush on You.' And I'm not sure that one's going to be popping up in the set any time soon, either, you know?"

But it could, and that's one of the things that has had fans itching for the E Street Band to hit the road again -- the idea that anything can happen. "We leave the door very open, because over the course of a long tour, we end up playing so many songs.... obviously, we try to make the shows unique. I've got a lot of songs that I'm carrying around at this point, and it's fun to get to them as the tour goes along."

When Springsteen got the band back together in 1999, part of the joy of the reunion was the very fact that everyone was able to reunite. Sure, available, and arguably playing better than ever, but at a very basic level, alive. Many bands haven't been so lucky, a quarter-century down the road. Another eight years along, gearing up for the Magic tour, it's still the case.

"That's something that you become more grateful for as time passes," Bruce says. "You know, I just lost Terry [Magovern], my great friend of 23 years. That was a big loss. And so you're aware that things are finite. The band really did take care of one another over the years, and like I've always said, it's one of the things I'm proudest of. And I continue to be. I mean, there are a lot of ways that life can take you, and you never know what tomorrow brings. So to have that kind of stability -- and not only that, but also that the personal relationships remain so thoroughly enjoyable -- it's a great gift."

All things being finite, does it enter his mind that this could be the last time out? A "farewell tour"?

"Oh, I'll never do that, man -- you're only gonna know that when you don't see me no more."

Of course, no doubt -- but for the E Street Band as we know it?

"Hell, I don't know," Springsteen laughs. "I envision the band carrying on for many, many, many more years. There ain't gonna be any farewell tour. That's the only thing I know for sure."


I was going to comment on this interview, as I usually do.

However, to sum it up, just more psychobabble about the "genius" Springsteen is.

Able to go from playing with the Seeger Sessions Band to The E Street Band.

As if he's the only musician capable of such a task.

Superman, if you will.

I would like to NOTE that I cannot read this article again.

It definitely has an "alter" changing trigger(s) included in the text.

I thought I was going to lose it for a moment as I felt my consciousness being altered. It's a feeling of "slipping away."

I know how to counteract and so I did.

But, this was very strong.

It may be the words, "nothing is finite."

Not sure.

Simply put, I won't be able to pinpoint it any further because, in order to protect myself, I cannot read it again at present.

Perhaps in a few days.

I began to feel as though I was "alter" switching and in order to counteract this, the fight or flight indicator appears. The fear associated with switching and losing control of my core causes me to fight the takeover. Sometimes, it feels as though my body is going to start shaking uncontrollably before it is counteracted.

It could be the fact that they are Springsteen's words, but I don't remember having such a reaction to his written words before.

However, it could be that this is the first article I've read with his words without being in an altered state of consciousness.

Not sure!

But, definitely a very weird state of being came over me after the read.

Could be "push the envelope on it."

Could be:

"I think that's what it takes to be really good. So I'll just lose myself in whatever form I'm working in at any given moment. And the other things seem distant: 'Oh yeah, I like to do that too, and I like to do that too...' But really, I'm very comfortable moving between all the different formats that I play in now."

09-03-2007, 05:42 PM
There may have been several contributing factors to the trigger.

First, viewing BTX and seeing the username, "Rosie's Dad."

Not that this refers to my father, but to Springsteen who often referred to himself as my Daddy.

The mind controllers did this as well.

All of us are your Daddy's.

I'd say, but I have a Daddy.

But you need more than one daddy, they would say. When I'd ask why, they'd just reply that it was better to have more than one Daddy.

This just fulfilled their pedophilia when calling out a child-like alter and engaging in sexually deviant behavior.

I'd always say that you're not my Daddy. I don't want you to be my Daddy.

So, inotherwords, children listen to their Daddy and, in this sense, being commanded by more than one handler/controller who was playing the role of a Daddy.

Not that my father was any better, but it was just strange, as you can imagine.

But, anyway, I also read a post at BTX that referred to being "Lost in the Flood."

And, an article about Springsteen "Casting a Magic Spell" with his upcoming tour.

While on Springsteen's official site, in an altered state of consciousness it being suggested that I couldn't love two men at once. Give all of my love to him; he wanted ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL and I wasn't adhering to these demands and continued to be intimate with my husband, I called the bluff.

I told him to divorce his wife.

Shortly after, Vast posted a comment that he and his wife were divorcing.

Did they divorce?

Of course not!

09-03-2007, 05:51 PM
A poster at BTX is able to decipher from a 30 second soundbyte of the song, "Girls in Summer Clothes," the following (one) line and decides it's an amazing song.

"Kids rubber ball smacks off the gutter 'neath the lamp light"


Truly amazing.

"A kid's rubber ball smacks off the gutter 'neath the lamp light."


Earth shattering!

09-03-2007, 05:54 PM
What time is it?

Isn't this a Clarence Clemen's line inticing the crowd to shut out:

"It's BOSS time"

I'll say.

It certainly is time.

09-03-2007, 08:04 PM
Why is it they refer to Springsteen as THEIR BOY and men at BTX are so concerned about his appearance; hair, etc.

Just as the other day, one poster asked another to post the "intimate" pictures of Scialfa from her CD on the site cause the BOYS would like them.

One male posters points out that Springsteen is doing a comb over, but no comment about the full head of hair he has on the Magic album.

I get the distinct feeling that when they post a picture of Springsteen and Scialfa together; somehow I'm suppose to be jealous.

Oh, the happy couple they portray!

AS if this means anything in the scope of what is to come.

Jealous of what?

That she married a pedophile and sexual deviant and he uses her to hide his homosexuality.

What does that say about her?

I mean, did he escape the cult?


So, "he's still the same."

Jealous because the man was my handler/controller when I was a child and sexually, emotionally and physically abused me.

Yeah, right!

09-03-2007, 08:18 PM
Review by Thom Jurek

Patti Scialfa's second album, 23rd Street Lullaby, was a paean to the romantic, wild, unbridled joy of running around the New York City of the '70s — a place that no longer exists — as seen through the eyes of a wiser, seasoned, yet untamed adult heart. Play It as It Lays is its mirror image. Released just a shade over three years later (a brief time for Scialfa, whose debut set Rumble Doll was released in 1993) the songs on Play It as It Lays deal with doubt, heartbreak, betrayal, uncertainty, anger, and restlessness, and find redemption in embracing them all as part of the whole.

I thought it was about her marriage with Springsteen. If so, I guess that includes doubt, heartbreak, betrayal, uncertainty, anger, and restlessness. All these make a whole. What a wonderful chemistry.

Co-produced with Steve Jordan and Ron Aniello, Scialfa's songwriting has developed into something so focused that its economy and its sharpness are as becoming as a shiny new stiletto — one that cuts deep but leaves the most beautiful of scars. The band employed here is essentially the same (without the high-profile guests spots of Marc Ribot and John Medeski): Willie Weeks, Nils Lofgren, Clifford Carter, and Bruce Springsteen (who are affectionately dubbed the "Whack Brothers Rhythm Section"), with Michelle Moore, Cindy Mizelle, Curtis King, and Soozie Tyrell (who also plays violin on a pair of cuts) helping on backing vocals. But the sound, while rooted in the same blend of American roots styles that Scialfa's songs always have, is wider and deeper. There is more reliance on blues, soul, and gospel here while the rootsy back porch, street corner rock & roll, and countrified folk are retained.These ten songs are tight, there isn't an extra word in any of them. The melodies are taut like wire, enveloping her words, and the plights, determinations, and failings of her protagonists are filled with passion, Eros, and agape, the purest love of all.

I've listened to two of the songs. They're not tight nor are they filled with passion, Eros, and agape, the purest love of all. This writer attended the same school of psychobabble as Springsteen and Scialfa.

What's more, it feels like this is a record of survival and the guts to go on, to be wrong, if that's what it takes, and move forward with all of that mess now on the canvas. Her subjects — though she speaks solely in the first person in each song here — are steeped in a passion for living, not just in their souls, but in their bodies, in their heads, for the experience that love promises yet whose shadow always delivers. And they accept it, while refusing to settle for anything less.

What bs! I assume her songs are so shallow that all this psychobabble is suppose to sell them. The characters; the desperation; the triumph! Oh, my! Why is it that Springsteen and Scialfa always have these indepth explanations about their songs? Or, should I say the reviewers always seem to have these indepth explanations about Scialfa's songs. Very creative imaginations, I would say. A song is a song is a song. When someone has to go to such extremes to explain a song, it's usually because it has no in depth meaning.

A dulled, primal tom tom and a dobro introduce the album's country-blues drenched first track, "Looking for Elvis." The title may seem a cliché, but the lyrics and melody are anything but. The protagonist travels to someplace "south of nowhere" looking for something, longing to be somewhere, anywhere other than where she found herself before flight. She's wrapped in grief, betrayal, and disillusionment and asks the real existential question of the empty raining sky: "So where are you now/With all those Illusions/Fallen dreams and charity/It faith restores you/And truth delivers/Then don't tell me I'm standing/when I'm, on my knees..." however, by track's end, she finds what she needs, not outside but at the crossroads inside herself, at the crossroads "West of Babylon/East of Eden/I'm breathing in these winds of change/I'm going to rise up from these ashes/Gonna rise up and find the truth again..." the backing vocals enter with a gospel refrain and underscore every line; Scialfa sings with the big red river of truth falling from her mouth like rushing water over the rocks. And this song is the beginning of a journey, where desire and brokenness go to war inside the heart of the woman who wants to know, has to know, if she's been living a lie. No matter the outcome, what's left is pulsing, rippling and rampant: faith, hope, love (both carnal and divine), companionship, and wholeness. If there's any doubt, just dig deep into the disc's second tune, "Like Any Woman Would," where a lap steel and cracking rim-shot snare wind around the acoustic guitars and usher in the lyric with the support of a call and response backing chorus. She offers her view; she wonders what her partner's love really means, and speaks of the wounds she and all women feel at being regarded as something "less than." "Play Around" is a soft, sweet, soul tune that Scialfa's grainy reed contralto delivers big in. Her delivery is relaxed as it floats above a B-3, hand drums and a drum kit before the band fully kicks in. She's ready to walk: "I'm not going to walk/On your high wire/I'm not going to jump/Through all your little hoops of fire...This is no day of judgment/I'm not waiting for you to confess...I'm not waiting on anything/I'm just walking free/Well you can play around/But don't you play around me..." The tune is brief, and its melody and dynamic are soothing, yet the lyrics are loaded.As it moves on through the funky wanton delight of "Rainy Day Man," with its sultry lyrics and even sexier delivery strolling through early-'60s shuffling rhythm & blues, the listener can clearly hear the singer walking through the desert of ambivalence. There is a core belief in the redemption of love that will not be shaken in the heart no matter what seems to be transpiring on the surface of life. But it's a realistic view: she's way past the knight in shining armor, she's looking for a promise of totality, but is willing to pay whatever price necessary to get there — including the truth that the Other is always as far from perfect as she is. "The Word," emerging from the blues, creatively uses the "Sally Go Round the Roses" (and credits it), as a look at the unvarnished truth, no matter how wide the contrast is with what she believes.Ushering in the title cut, a shuffling funky backbeat is underscored gently by an acoustic guitar, a soft B-3 and Tyrell's violins. The narrative location is once more an empty road — just as on the opener — and the time of reflection is over. It gives way to an acceptance of the protagonist's own faults as well as those of her Beloved: "Every perfect picture /hides a mess or two/Sometimes it's me/Sometimes it's you..."But I remember the first time/That I lay down inside your arms/And how I kissed your tired mouth/So full of grace/So empty of harm/And I how I knew/The road ahead/ Would unravel itself/Cursed and charmed/And I would just/Play it as it lays..." the recollection of "through thick and thin, no matter what" gets revealed, and the personal accountability here, wrapped so sweetly and tenderly in this melody reveals nothing less than courage: to see it as it is, and to continue walking bloody and torn. It's far from codependent: it's honest and it is as if the singer is looking at herself in a mirror with the reflection of her Beloved behind her speaking the words to him while looking hard at herself. Such beauty can only be heartbreaking. The set ends with "Black Ladder." Despite its title, it's a love song. She has seen the deepest wells of darkness in her lover's heart, and he's seen hers. What's left is simply that love, kicked around, bruised and torn, remains, and the cracks have created something so much more open and free: the freedom to offer love for its own sake, and for the sake of the Other. The freedom to accept the same. At just over two minutes, with a Rhodes piano and an acoustic guitar, it's the most skeletal song on the album. And it needs to be. Scialfa's voice is way up front. It's one of the quietest anthems ever. There is real vulnerability here, and the protagonist is far stronger for the courage to reflect it in her own eyes and read it in the eyes of the other. The track simply ends, a second or two after he final words: "I still care."Play It as It Lays may be melancholy and downright dark in places, but it never feels oppressive. It doesn't need to bet on the silver lining — even if it's only a sliver of one in places — because there's a resiliency, an unshakable faith, that living itself is a lining. This is the place where we get to see the fully developed, crafted songwriter at her best. It is the unfairness of the culture that we've had to view her in the shadow of her husband's stature, but no more. While Rumble Doll bravely tested the waters of songwriting and recording, and 23rd Street Lullaby offered increased confidence in the real possibilities those endeavors would pay off in and of themselves, Play It as It Lays is, without doubt, the record where Scialfa gives us the full fruit of her exceptional gift as a writer, a singer, as an artist. (Now, if she'd only tour...)

Blah, blah and more blah!!

09-03-2007, 09:54 PM
Oh, yes, the up and coming new artist in her 50's. Hearing Springsteen on the bullet mic and harmonica on Scialfa's "Looking for Elvis" song brought back memories of the Devils and Dust tour for one poster.

Oh, those memories of a Springsteen show!

They just live on forever, stuck in the minds, of his worshippers.

Maybe it's post traumatic stress syndrome.

09-04-2007, 11:20 AM
So sweet, isn't it that Springsteen climbed into the back of his SUV while exiting Rockefeller Plaza this morning after Scialfa's appearance on the Today Show.

Yes, it is Scailfa's time in the spotlight and he certainly went to great lengths to afford her that.

What a heroic gesture by Springsteen and what a large spotlight Scialfa faced this morning on the Today Show.

She signed a few autographs for a few fans and sang one of her songs from her new CD.

09-04-2007, 03:12 PM
You know, when people have to constantly say over and over again everytime they see someone or something how beautiful, great or sexy it/they look, it isn't sincere.

Such as the constant comments about Springsteen and Scialfa.

If everytime my husband walked by me and said I looked great, I'd begin to wonder if I really didn't look great!

One poster saw Springsteen in New York today after The Today Show appearance by Scialfa.

Having a quick look, he was able to ascertain that Springsteen is ready to tour.

How do you look at someone and know that they are ready to tour?

Does Springsteen look any different than he did when he was touring with The Seeger Sessions Band?

IMO, no.

But, he certainly has a full head of locks on the cover of the Magic album.

That's the only difference I see.

If a music critic writes a long-winded review about a CD, such as Scialfa's, it usually means there isn't much to say about it so he's trying to make it sound better than it is.

If Springsteen fans have to constantly comment about his voice and how great it is; about his songs and how deep they are, it usually means they aren't.

It goes without saying when something is beautiful.

It goes without saying when something is magnificicent.

Most of what is written about Springsteen and Scialfa is hype, because, as I said, it goes without saying.

09-04-2007, 03:24 PM
Since today is the release day for Scialfa's new CD, is it any wonder that it's number 3 at amazon?

What are the total sales for "23rd Street Lullaby" and "Rumble Doll?"

Are those sales the reason Scialfa recorded her new CD in her garage and isn't provided with a studio?

One poster comments, good for Bruce and Patti cause apparently Springsteen's at number one, they deserve the success.


These fanatics haven't considered that their hero or his wife are successful after decades of following their leader?

They measure success based on record sales?


09-04-2007, 03:34 PM
Yes, I'd have to agree.

The "Radio Nowhere" video is marginal.

Springsteen says he wants to hear a thousand guitars, pounding drums, yet the song lacks in this area.

You'd expect to see Max pounding the drums, Van Zandt and Nils on the guitars.

I didn't see this, so who is producing the music?

Scialfa's in the corner with her unplugged guitar.

Springsteen is strumming.

You see "dark" clips of Scialfa and Van Zandt singing the chorus with the usual question, "why is she there?"

She's not belting out a melody.

You can't hear her voice or Van Zandt's.

Springsteen looks constipated, as usual.

Doesn't look likes he's enjoying himself one bit.

You would think with the chorus, "Is there anybody alive out there," the video would show hundreds of people in Times Square, or something.

But, you get a picture of a man scaling a wall.

Weak, shallow and depressing.

Springsteen just isn't video material.

09-04-2007, 05:13 PM
A Little Steven sighting:


He was sitting right behind the entrance of a restaurant that a poster at BTX was eating at with this wife.

None other than Little Steven.

Oh, my goodness!

The poster was freaking out inside. Stevie was dressed just as we'd expect him to be.

Have you ever seen him wear anything else other than when he's on the Soprano's?

Little Stevie was talking to his wife but the poster was listening in and he overheard him discussing shows and going backstage with Maureen, as he would leave her passes.

He won't tell anyone if he approached him or not but it was damn neat to eat right next to Stevie and from this, the poster ascertains that he is really COOL.

I wonder, since it was this poster's anniversary dinner, did he pay any attention to his wife or was he all giddy over seeing Little Stevie?

Yeah, those E Street Band members, Springsteen and Scialfa, are all WAY COOL MAN.

09-04-2007, 06:46 PM
One poster at BTX comments on the political board that when it was down, he didn't notice Vast or X making any comments in other areas of the forum, like the Promised Land, etc.

This is suppose to indicate that they're not Bruce fans.

In actuality, Patriot and many other posters didn't make comments in other forums either, but this poster, Gaz, would never criticize Patriot.

They claim X is a Bruce hater and troll on a Bruce site.

X says:

I love his music, but I'm disappointed in his politics and his past personal behavior, but we all make mistakes, and we can all be redeemed.

Personally, I can't stand the man and his music, but that's a personal matter.

To say you're disappointed with someone's politics or past personal behavior is to say you expected more from them.

Why would anyone, if they don't have a personal relationship with Springsteen, expect more from him?

I, on the otherhand, expect nothing less.

Springsteen is what he is.

Yes, we all make mistakes, but when you are a "sadistic pig," when this is your nature, it is not a mistake.

It is what it is.

It is what you are.

When someone rapes a woman, is that a mistake?

When someone commits murder, is that a mistake?

Yes, some people can be redeemed, but not all. As far as Springsteen and the others who practice pedophilia, sexually deviant behavior and are part of the "satanic cult," they cannot and will never be redeemed.

09-04-2007, 07:33 PM
I wonder what poor "personal behavior" X is referring to.

He didn't say PUBLIC BEHAVIOR.


As far as VAST being a Bruce hater.

Not so.

On the official site, he started a thread that read:

"I've Loved Bruce Springseen Since I was Teenager."

There was also a time when the site was being flooded with what they referred to as Drudge trolls swarming the forum after a political statement that Springsteen made.

Somehow there were questions being asked about the instruments/guitars Springsteen plays.

Vast was the only poster on the site who was able to post pictures and details about the instruments Springsteen plays.

I'm not sure, but I think the Drudge trolls were a set-up.

At one point, one of them said, Springsteen's going to divorce his wife and marry that ugly girl.



On another note.

All this talk about Patti having her time in the spotlight and Springsteen being the gentlemen to allow her this.

As if somehow he's trampled on her career.

He gave her a career.

As if she is a fabulous singer/songwriter and because of his mere existence and popularity the world doesn't recognize this.

Perhaps, had she not married Springsteen, she would have been a famous singer/songwriter in her own right.

Maybe that was her mistake. Seems to be what she and everyone else insinuates.

Intersting how SHE needs him to perform on her albums to attract attention, to perform at her shows for "23rd Street Lullaby."

She should take her own advice and "just say no!"

Do you ever hear Faith Hill complaining that if it weren't for Tim McGraw she would be famous?


Because they are both famous in their own right.

Patti Scialfa is what she is because of Springsteen.

It's not that she isn't what she could have been because of him.

09-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Patti Scialfa, as I said, is on the Letterman show tonight and Clinton is also a guest.

Seems, 2Hearts believes Clinton and Springsteen will be in the green room together.

Yes, I'm sure Springsteen will be giving Clinton some political advice.

2Hearts would love to be a fly on the wall.

Not sure about that, 2Hearts!

They might be making plans on where to meet up later for a secret encounter or engaging in a sexual act with each other.

You know, both men seem to have the same set of morals and they do both acknowledge the "code of silence."

Cut from the same cloth.

Sexual deviants.

Remember, I encountered Clinton as a child and was used to sexually blackmail him.

09-04-2007, 09:00 PM
So, when Patti Scialfa joined the E Street Band she had this great solo career going, but threw it all away and chose to become a part of the band as a back-up singer.

And, how many CDs did she release before she joined the E Street Band?

I think the number would be zero.

09-04-2007, 09:54 PM
The "Radio Nowhere" video is horrible. This isn't just my opinion. It is a consensus.

Sanctified4one explains it this way:

I love it... is expresses perfectly: Is there anybody alive out there?

It's void of everything... (including color)
Which was necessary to express the lack of that missing connection.

The connection that he is searching the streets for...



Oh, yes another dark, desperate, Springsteen song, dancing in a dark hole, turning a dead dial, searching for some soul, some connection, somebody who is alive out there.


Springsteen is searching the streets for a connection.

I know he's disconnected from reality and all, but he's looking for a connection to something/someone out in the streets?

Yeah, just what people want is a music video and song that's void of everything.

Just like he portrays himself to be and just exactly what he is!

Why in the hell does Springsteen ask "Is there anybody alive out there?"

It is such a DUMB question.

09-04-2007, 09:56 PM
The Patti on Letterman WATCH thread is up and running several hours before it airs!

Going to be earth shattering!

09-04-2007, 09:58 PM
I think Springsteen's fans live in the same dark hole he does.

09-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Like I said, Springsteen's fans live in the same dark hole he does.

Bring'emhome says she loves it.

Powerful and desperate.

The video has no power to it at all and shows no desperation.

You see, they rejoice in Springsteen's desperation.

Which is their own.

09-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Here's my review of the Patti Scialfa performance on David Letterman.

A very boring performer.

Guitar is too big.

She strums it like she can't really play it.

Her pronounciation is very strange.

Her voice is annoying.

Four back-up singers definitely overkill.

Song goes nowhere.

Kind of like "Radio Nowhere."

Magicinthenight from BTX seems to have turned schizophrenic. Once a Patti basher; now a Patti lover.

I just critique.

Magicinthenight says:

From the songs I've heard from her new album - This is an unusual choice to be showcasing on TV. "Play it as it lays" is a beauiful and heartfelt song and I would have liked to have seen her perform that - Her voice is sweet as opposed to this "gritty" vocal on "A Town called Heartbreak".

This from someone who previously said she can't stand her voice. Now, all of a sudden it's sweet. She refers to her vocal in "A Town called Heartbreak" as gritty. HUH?? Nothing gritty at all. Completely garbled.

I don't like this song. Her performance was very good, Steve Jordan cool but the rest of the musicains were not very lively.

No one was lively. Like I said. Boring! Like Dave said. Good music. See you later.

Too many backing singers.

The focus should have been on the song.

She looks gorgeous - I love her hair and I hope I look that good at her age. She was very gracious and charming at the end.

She's in love with Patti's hair. Why does she wear bangs in her eyes? Does she think her hair is the only thing she has going for her? You can't live your life depending on your hair to get you through it. Very gracious and charming at the end. HUH?? What were you watching? She shook Letterman's hand and giggled. Not a word was spoken between either of them. Patti's not gorgeous. She's normal looking.

So a mixed review from me!

No one really cares about your review.

09-05-2007, 12:35 AM
What's with Scialfa's wardrobe?

Why does she most times wear black?

Some color would do wonders.

Even a little lipstick might help.

Maybe something sexy would help her in her attempt to launch a successful career at the age of 52!

Just a few suggestions.

09-05-2007, 12:42 AM
What is "A Town Called Heartbreak?"

It's not rock.

It's not pop.

It's not the blues.

It's not country.

It's not folk.

It doesn't fit anywhere because of Scialfa's inability to define her vocals.

One poster thinks she might have a shot at airplay on a country station.

Forgoodness sakes, this is all a show.

It's appeasing Patti's failure in the music industry.

It is so she doesn't think she didn't make it as a solo artist.

Scialfa's in her 50's.

Do you think she's just going to all of a sudden become a sensation overnight with this CD?

Get real!

09-05-2007, 01:07 AM
Magicinthenight at BTX says Scialfa was gracious at the end of her performance on the Letterman show as if this is unexpected of a guest. Something unusual for Scialfa or maybe magicinthenight expected her to spit in Dave's face or something.

Aren't most people gracious or is this a heroic act only accomplished by Scialfa. To be gracious.

Dave didn't mention Springsteen, one poster comments.

I assume this is because Matt Lauer did when she was on The Today Show.

What else can they say?

She has no background.

Either mention Springsteen as Matt did or say nothing as Dave did.

She is connected to the music industry through Springsteen.

Matt and Dave probably don't have her CD's at home.

She is not a well-known solo artist or well-known for her role as a back-up singer with the E Street Band because you can't really hear her in that capacity most times.

It's just all very, very weak.

Do you think most people would know who she is if it wasn't mentioned that she's married to Sprinsteen?

The answer is no.

09-05-2007, 11:34 AM
Of course, some music critics are going to give Scialfa's new CD a glowing review.

THE MUSIC MOBSTERS want you to buy it!

I just watched Scialfa perfom on The Today Show.

What is the deal with the "little girl" shy act and rubbing shoulders with Matt?

With Springsteen and Scialfa it's always about how they're exploring this or that in their lyrics/songs.

It's like filler because the song has no meaning or depth when you read the lyrics, just like "Radio Nowhere."

The music isn't great, the lyrics don't say anything, so they explain their songs with "psychobabble" being some kind of personal journey/exploration.

Oh, yeah.

Town Called Heartbreak.

What a genius lyrical composition about relationships.

09-05-2007, 11:38 AM
It's really no big deal that Jon Landau is Scialfa's management company.

Afterall, she is Mrs. Springsteen and Jon Landau is Mr. Springsteen's management.

However, in the case of Scialfa, there isn't much to manage.

09-05-2007, 11:39 AM
A poster said that perhaps Scialfa wears the pants in the family.

Obviously, that's all she ever wears.

Ties, suits, black clothes.

09-05-2007, 12:03 PM
One poster says, "Patti show 'em what you've got" as far as her appearance on Letterman.

She's in her 50's.


Is she continuing to evolve, grow and change like Springsteen?

If she hasn't shown you what she has yet that means she doesn't have it.

Another poster says Letterman didn't mention Springsteen.

He let Patti stand on her own.


I'll say.

He introduced her.

After her song, walked over, shook her hand and said, "great music."


Another poster comments that it was an awesome performance.

She likens Clinton and Scialfa together on the same show as an amazing night.

This poster says the Seeger Sessions experience made her more emotive and expressive.

Gee, I must have missed that.

Was that when she put her right arm up in the air?

They keep thinkin' somehow she's going to be a "big star" someday.

09-05-2007, 03:08 PM
Scialfa certainly benefits from being married to Springsteen and she should.

However, she is NOT a great singer/songwriter in her own right and benefiting from his connection to the music industry just underscores that she is not a great singer/songwriter.

Otherwise, who would produce her records?

I'm betting no one!

I benefit from my husband all the time. Nothing wrong with that.

I think it's the fact that Scialfa is constantly whining in interviews that she hasn't received the success and acclaimation she deserves because, being married to Springsteen, overshadows her talent as a solo artist.

This, coupled with the writer's who continually inject this into their reviews about her music.

This, of course, an excuse.

If she's going to constantly blame her huband for her lack of success as a solo artist in her own right, then she sounds like a hypocrite when, if not for her marriage to Springsteen and his management company she wouldn't be known otherwise or have released three CDs.

Perhaps she should be thanking him.

Not that I would thank THE MAN for anything.

They can only work with so much and not so little.

Which is what she has.

09-05-2007, 05:06 PM
There are so many famous people married to famous people; one more famous then the other and in the same entertainment industry who don't continually whine about being in their spouse's shadow because he/she is more famous and, because of this, they are not recognized by the public for their talents.

If you've got it; you've got it. It doesn't matter if your spouse is more famous than you are.

Records sales and the draw at the box office speak to your popularity.

Accept reality; quit whining; grow up.

These people are comfortable with who they are and don't constantly blame their failure within the industry, if this is the case, because their partner's status interferes with the public recognizing them.

Scialfa's released her CDs. The public has spoken.

The added benefit is being married to Springsteen and Springsteen fans being drawn to her and buying her CD because of that and because he plays on her recordings.

You know, the constant repetition of how Scialfa is in the shadow of Springsteen is just so ridiculous.

She put herself out there and the public has spoken.

She is Mrs. Springsteen; a mediocre guitar player; if it really is plugged in and a voice that sounds like nails on a chalkboard.

Accept reality.

She isn't gorgeous. She has a pleasant face.

Accept reality.

Julianne Philips was gorgeous.

Constant repetition about how great the song "Radio Nowhere" is; how it's going to change radio airplay; how great Scialfa looks; etc., is OVERKILL for a reason.

Cause the song isn't great; it's not going to change anything and as I said, Scialfa is attractive, but not gorgeous or SEXY, IMO.

As I stated, with her unique introspective into relationships that she supposedly addresses in her lyrics, she ought to know how to handle it.

Is she a child?

Obviously, she should have known whom she was marrying and if she thought for some reason she would somehow be bigger than Springsteen, she is delusional.

If she actually thinks she is talented and that because she's married to Springsteen, she is not recognized, someone has steered her wrong or she doesn't want to face reality.

One poster comments that some of Springsteen's fans have terminal jealousy of Scialfa's perks being married to Springsteen.

How pathetic is that?

She embarrasses herself when she sings.

That's a perk?

Maybe Springsteen ought to tell her that she doesn't have any talent worth showcasing on a solo CD.

09-05-2007, 09:40 PM
Scialfa's video is on Country Music Television and Doc Holiday is thoroughly impressed. It's excellent, he says. In rotation, too!

Apparently, they found a place to fit her music; although it certainly isn't country.

I guess she's finally making a break-through into the Country Music industry.


Don't you just wish she'd become famous already!

09-05-2007, 09:45 PM
You know, The First Lady of Love and Rightful Owner of the song, "Redheaded Woman" deserves not to be in The Boss' shadow for the rest of her life.


It's so pathetic and sad. Posters at BTX who are taking time off work, nervous about getting tickets to an E Street Band Show.

One poster expresses this in a thread and another poster tells him to chill and then another says that he's just expressing his love for BRUCE.

Yeah, in the form of neurosis.

It's not like these people have never seen him before.

They follow him.

They're obsessed.

You know, if you're a teenager that's one thing, but middle-aged.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. They've had their state of consciousness altered to that of children.

Then there are the posters who talk about how during the show at Christmas time, they'll have to take Jessica to a horse show in Florida, Evan to this and, blah, blah, blah.

Incredible, but true.

09-06-2007, 12:12 PM
From what I understand, Scialfa was on The View today and the crowd was loud for her.

One poster says that was nice to see.

What did he expect?

Doesn't the audience usually applaud when a guest appears and isn't applause usually loud?

Did he think they were going to BOO her?

09-06-2007, 12:22 PM
From USA today.

Just scroll down to the photo gallery and click on celebrities.

A poster at BTX says there's a nice photo of OUR BOY (Springsteen) with Ari Gold at a Gucci show.

Looks like Springsteen is a rich man in rich man's clothes this time.


Of course, the comments are that he looks soooo good.


Take off your rose-colored glasses.

It's not what's on the outside that counts.

It's what's on the inside.

But, even the outside isn't appealing.

He looks exhausted, unhappy and/or three sheets to the wind.

That old saying:

"You can't judge a book by it's cover," and when you open the cover of Springsteen's song book, you definitely have a picture as to what he is on the inside.

He portrays much of it on the outside too, in public.

He may appear to look good to you, but, you never know what's going on in the inside.

If you don't feel good on the inside, you don't look good on the outside and, IMO Springsteen's outside appearance reflects what's going on inside.

Exhausted or three sheets to the wind?

Very unappealing.

09-06-2007, 12:28 PM
One poster is interested to know if they should expect a Rolling Stone cover story and interview and a Time and Newsweek interview and stories on the album MAGIC because he thinks this is what occurred with The Rising.

Gee, I don't know.

But, I'm sure you'll be real excited if this happens so you can read some more psychobabble and fabricated stories that Springsteen makes up about his albums.

Oh, yes!

Always an in-depth analysis about nothing.

I'll cross my fingers for you, pal!

09-06-2007, 12:32 PM
The wrinklies of rock rattle their way to the Odyssey

Wednesday, September 05, 2007

By Maureen Coleman

A host of wrinkly rockers have been lined up to play at the Odyssey Arena over the next few months, it was announced today.

Rod Stewart, Meatloaf and Madness will be heading to Belfast as part of Aiken promotions autumn/winter schedule.

Rod returns to the Odyssey on November 3 while Meatloaf is back in the city on November 22.

On December 7 it is the turn of legendary Nutty Boys, Madness, to rock the Odyssey.

The announcement comes just days after it was confirmed that Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are set to play the venue on December 15.

The first-class programme reinforces the view that Belfast is gaining a strong reputation among the world's top performing artists.

Promoter Peter Aiken said: "We are delighted that such a high calibre of artists has agreed to come to Belfast over the coming months.

"It's a testament to the city and its venues, which can more than hold their own against similar venues throughout Europe.

"Last month, George Michael chose to end his European tour in Belfast and was amazed by the crowd's reaction to the gig. Because of the audience participation, and therefore the unrivalled atmosphere in the Odyssey, he considered it one of the best nights of his entire tour."

Last year, The Boss, Bruce Springsteen, brought his Seeger Sessions Band to the Odyssey, performing a sell-out show for thousands of fans.

This year sees his return with The E Street Band, forming one of only two UK dates.

Peter said: "It's certainly a reflection on Belfast that Bruce Springsteen has chosen to come here on tour.

Oh, yeah. If Springsteen comes to your town it certainly reflects on your city. Really? In what way? He's gracing you with his presence? Oh, yes. In that regard, by all means, you should feel honored.

"Last year's concert was an incredible event for the city and made a big impact on the artist.

"The people of Northern Ireland enjoy being entertained and for a performer there is nothing more rewarding than playing to a hugely enthusiastic audience, for which Belfast is becoming renowned."

09-06-2007, 02:59 PM
Some comments from posters at BTX about Scialfa's appearance on The View:

Patti sounded lovely and had a nice little interview. She sang beautifully and the band was great too. Nils is awesome!! So pretty and so talented, it's easy to see why Bruce is so crazy for her! I'm really enjoying her new songs. Thanks Patti!

The band is mediocre. Patti doesn't have a beautiful voice nor is she so talented. So, Springsteen is crazy for Patti cause she has a great voice, is so talented and is pleasant looking in your opinion. That's pretty shallow, don't you think? But, these posters at BTX know all about the Springsteen's personal lives.

Another posters says:

just saw it on DVR and she was smokin'

Oh, yeah, she was smokin' up the place.

This is her breakthrough record, with performances like this one

Thank goodness. I hope she's finally broken through to the other side so all the hype about how good she is will finally be recognized.

didn't quite get Elizabeth's negativity on marriage during the chat portion, though; she is always so upbeat about marriage; but Patti handled it well, and talked about how challenging it is, even if you're alone, to guard your autonomy

You didn't get the negativity? Why? You don't think anyone might feel negativity about Scialfa and Springsteen? That's quite narrow minded. What's with Scialfa always using the word autonomy? I really don't think the word is appropriate in this regard. It means freedom of action. Obviously, she practices freedom of actions.

most substantial interview I've ever heard with Patti on American tv

WOW! She in her 50's and this is the most substantial interview she's done? I wonder why? She's a musician. It's not like she's Mother Teresa. Do you think that everyone thinks The Boss and Scialfa are as interesting as you do? Apparently so.

glad to hear she's #3 on Amazon this morning

Oh, yes, thank goodness she's number three at Amazon. I'm pullin' for her.

Another poster's comments:

I thought Elisabeth was rather snide when Patti mentioned that she'd been married 16 years (rather than the assumed 20), and that they had had a child before they were married. Elisabeth woo-hoo'ed and shimmied her shoulders in a very immature way - as if having a child out of wedlock was sassy and risque. She's a weird chick, that Elisabeth. Overall, I think Patti did well. I'm always impressed with her poise, vocabulary and graciousness. Nice performance, too - especially nice to see Nils get some airtime, too!

Maybe Elizabeth thinks Patti's a weird chick. Everyone doesn't have to approve of everything the Springsteen's do. Not all worship them. Oh, yes, Patti's poise, graciousness and vocabulary are astounding. Better than I've ever witnessed.

I thought it was interesting that Patti mentioned Bruce being unhappy that she was singing about their marriage--but the interviewers didn't pursue it. (He can't be THAT unhappy about it if he played on a lot of the tracks.)

Looking for Elvis and A Town Called Heartbreak are about their marriage?? Come on! I think Springsteen and Patti must both be delusional. I'll have to read these lyrics. Why would the interviewers pursue questioning the songs being about their marriage? People aren't interested in the Springsteen's marriage. Maybe their selling this BS; airing their laundry in order to attract people like obsessed Springsteen fans who would be interested in knowing about their marriage. Seems they already have it figured out according to their posts; however.

Another comment:

I managed to watch it. Patti and band were real good! I hope she takes to the road after the ESB tour is over. I'd love to see her in concert with the band she had both on the Today Show and the View.

Yep. After the ESB tour, there will sure be a lot of interest in Patti's old CD.

I do get a kick how Whoopi rolls her eyes at her, like, "are you for real", when she mentioned the marriage thing. I wish Whoopi would say what's on her mind when those big old eyes are rolling or just tell Elisabeth to "STFU" already.

Oh, yeah. How mature. Whoopi telling Elisabeth to STFU. What? Patti needs Whoopi to defend her. Everyone knows how Patti and Springsteen evolved. It's not a secret.

Another BTX poster comment:

I liked that one, but I'm starting to wonder if the band knows any other songs. Hasn't it been the same on all 3 shows so far? Odds on it being that one again tonight?

Same song three times now. How boring. Same song on Conan, I assume, too.

They don't get why she's singing a song from her CD that isn't the most popular.

Maybe it's the only one she and the band can play together live.

Maybe that's another reason why she doesn't tour.

09-06-2007, 03:08 PM
One poster comments about Elisabeth's negativity toward Patti on the view:

Elisabeth is an ultra-conservative, uptight dolt. To quote Paul Reiser in the excellent movie 'Diner', "You ever talk to her? Not a smart girl".


Yep! If Paul Reiser said it, it must be true.

Some people are conservative and obviously understand that Scialfa and Springsteen are sexually liberated and display this liberation publicly.

To each their own.

Not everyone has to accept Springsteen and Scialfa for their behavior.

Of course, they haven't delved into Springsteen's lyrics as I have, but, nonetheless, not everyone has to respect them.

Afterall, they have three children.

09-06-2007, 03:51 PM
Isthatmebaby is so excited, as the other children are because a thread has been titled, "Bruce, the Photographer."

As I said, he supposedly took some intimate photos of Scialfa for her CD and they are included in an accompanying booklet.

I'm sure his fans want to buy her CD so they can see the masterpiece photographs Springsteen snapped because, in addition, to being a genius singer/songwriter, a hero, a legend, a cult leader, a mind controller/abuser/handler, pedophile and sexual deviant, he is also a professional photographer.

Kind of like playing on her CD, so his fans will buy Scialfa's CD.

Anyway, it's unbelievable.

Springsteen can actually use a camera and knows how to take pictures.


The thread so far shows him with camera in hand while someone else is photographing Springsteen.

I'm telling you.

The man may be in the wrong business.

09-06-2007, 04:28 PM
Movielady at BTX thinks Scialfa's appearance on The View was a missed opportunity because Whoopi wasn't doing the interviewing.


Is there something else Scialfa needs to showcase besides her genius singer/songwriting abilities?

Whatever it may be, I'm at a loss.

It wasn't the Whoopi Goldberg Show!

09-06-2007, 04:35 PM
There is a picture of Springsteen and Pavarotti at Springsteen's ranch.

They all hang with the same crowd. Bono and Sting attended Pavarottis' wedding.

I'm sure you know my opinion about those two!

So many pictures of Springsteen with MEN.

Well, like I said.

He's a sexual deviant. He likes men, little girls and boys much more than women. You can tell so through his degrading lyrics about females.

The picture is from Pavarotti's book called "My World". In the book Pavarotti tells a great story of his friendship with Bruce and he also says Bruce is a great singer and he would love to someday perform with him.


Will Springsteen be attending the funeral?

What else is Pavarotti going to say about Springsteen's voice?

He would loved to have performed with Springsteen???


Oh, I could see that!!

I think the man was being gracious.

09-06-2007, 06:32 PM
Bored in the USA
Dan Kennedy

September 6, 2007 2:00 PM


Time was when you could make a pretty good living imitating Bruce Springsteen. In the mid-1970s, when post-Born to Run legal problems were keeping Springsteen out of the recording studio, acts such as Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band, and even the obese yowler Meat Loaf all had some success in meeting the pent-up demand for Boss-inspired product.

These days, sadly, the most successful Springsteen imitator is Springsteen himself.

I've given a couple of listens this week to Radio Nowhere, the single from Springsteen's forthcoming album, Magic. It's eerie - it sounds just like Springsteen. Except that the guitars are too robotic, the lyrics too cliched and repetitive, the arrangement too simplistic. This couldn't really be Bruce, could it? Alas, it certainly could.

As an (Almost) Original Springsteen Fan, I never thought it would come to this. But the prospect of Bruce revving up the E Street Band for one more wheezing journey through what he calls (I wish I were making this up) "the last long American night" fills me with dread, not anticipation. Nostalgia is just another word for "nothing left to say". At nearly 58 years old, Springsteen is now wallowing in it.

I know exactly when I attended my first Bruce Springsteen concert: October 30, 1974, the night of the Muhammad Ali-George Foreman fight in what was then Zaire. Springsteen was playing in the old Music Hall in Boston, and I was up somewhere in the balcony. Dr John opened. And at 9pm, Springsteen took the stage.

Bruce began with Incident on 57th Street, accompanied only by a young woman playing an electric violin. An early version of the E Street Band emerged from the shadows. The boys (and girl) took three and a half hours to work their way through just a handful of songs, stretching out Kitty's Back, for instance, to a shimmering half-hour jam. At 12.30am, after a series of encores, they finally brought matters to a cathartic close. The last thing I remember was the promoter walking out to announce that Ali, against all odds, had defeated the mighty Foreman. Pandemonium.

Now, more than three decades down the road, Springsteen's image is that of a rock-and-roller who never really lost whatever it was he had, and who has managed to age gracefully with ever-more-mature songs and performances. But image is one thing, and reality is another. And the reality is that he was king of the universe through the early 1980s, but has been pretty much sucking wind ever since, lurching back and forth with mixed results between hard rock and acoustic-tinged pseudo-folk.

His last album with the E Street Band, The Rising (2002), a tribute to the victims of 9/11, is such an embarrassment that it makes my skin crawl. The one decent song, My City of Ruins, was written before the terrorist attacks. The rest is an overly loud, overly busy mess aimed at his dumbest fans - the ones whose only other Springsteen moment was Born in the USA, his 1984 crowd-pleaser. Last year's collection of traditional folk songs, We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions, was terrific, but mainly because they weren't his songs.

When Springsteen burst on to the scene, he was promoted as the latest "new Dylan". He turned out to be more than that, but less, too. During the 1970s he almost single-handedly saved rock and roll from the synth-heavy pretensions of bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer with a series of great albums and a live show that had to be seen to be believed.

Yet Springsteen never caught up to Bob Dylan as a songwriter or an innovator. And it's more than a little ironic that, today, Dylan himself is all the new Dylan anyone needs: At 66, he's in the midst of a career revival that no one would have dared predict a decade ago. Would that Springsteen regain his own creative powers when he hits his 60s.

Give Springsteen this: he's kept his integrity and ideals, and is doing the best he can. But the magic has diminished considerably, even as Magic is upon us.

No problem with the review except for the last paragraph and putting Dylan on a pedestal.

Dylan and Springsteen share the same "code and speak the same language."

Both members of the "satanic cult."

Both mind controllers and abusers.

I would agree, though that Dylan's current music surpasses Springsteen's.

However, it does contain messages as I've indicated in this thread.

I loathe both MEN.

Don't know what songs of Springsteen's you've been listening to over the years, but I suggest you listen again.

As far as integrity, he certainly is honest in his lyrics about his penchant for little girls, homosexual and sexually deviant behavior and his disdain for women.

But, I wouldn't consider that morally upright.

If you're referring to him being whole or unified. That would be negative also.

He definitely houses many alters.

As far as Springsteen's ideals, don't know what you consider to be his ideals, since most of his songs are about broken-hearted relationships with men, women and little girls.

09-06-2007, 07:15 PM
Why is it that before tickets for a Springsteen show go on sale, people are selling them on EBAY and other venues for lots of bucks for the good seats?

Why is it, good seats are never available to the general public through Ticketmaster and other outlets?

Who releases the up-front seats to the scalpers to sell for thousands of dollars?

Do they make a profit when they release these tickets to them?

Is it the venue?

Is it the artist?

Who controls this issue?


Of course, this isn't just a Springsteen issue, but it does appear his die hard fans have a blistering time tryin' to figure out how to get a ticket.

What's so difficult?

The problem, like I said, for most events, is that when you log on to Ticketmaster the minute they open, seems the only thing they have left are behind the stage views.

After the rush for tickets dies down through Ticketmaster, all of a sudden good seats show up on EBay and other outlets.

Seems to me TICKETMASTER and other venues selling seats might be involved in distributing the best seats in the house to brokers and the others go to the musician's posse', friends, etc.

Does Springsteen's camp make it this painful for his fans in order to cause anxiety and the feeling that the more scarce the ticket and more difficult to obtain, the more valuable.

Do they enjoy watching them struggle with this issue so that the fans feel blessed and thankful and so grateful when they finally get a ticket to see their hero.


09-06-2007, 09:06 PM
It could be that Elisabeth on The View found it distasteful that Scialfa was with baby while Springsteen was married to Julianne.

Could be a variety of reasons, but this one might have been the trigger.

Funny, isn't it?

"Child" was the name of one of Springsteen's first bands.

Who would have guessed otherwise.

Back to Elisabeth on The View.

This could be another reason for her shrug.

Springsteen and Julianne were married in 1985.

To say that Scialfa and Springsteen have been together for twenty years, is to say that he spent more time with Scialfa while they weren't married then he did with Julianne while they were married.

Springsteen and Scialfa were married in 1991.

If they've been together for 20 years, this would be since 1987.

Springsteen's divorce to Julianne was not finalized until 1990.

09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
A poster at BTX has much to say about Scialfa's appearance on the view:

What else would you expect.

My goodness, you would think Scialfa was Princess Di or something.


Elisabeth is on The View because the producers want a bimbo on it, IMO.

Yeah, right. They want a bimbo so Walters pays her big bucks to stay on and fires Rosie.

I read an interview where she said she read The Wall Street Journal etc.... etc.... every day....It doesn't show.

What? Do you watch The View, everyday, everyday? She seems to be more productive than those of you who post at BTX.

That interview was silly and did not flow at all but I have to say Ms. Scialfa handled it well and gave great answers. It must be a pain as an entertainer to have to sit through rubbish like that.

Why would you expect the interview to flow? Do you seriously think the women at The View have any interest in Scialfa?

I would have preferred to hear Whoopi ask the q's.

It doesn't matter who you would have preferred to ask the questions. You're not running the show. Why? So Scialfa could be coddled?

I am fairly new to the whole Scialfa / Sprngsteen thing and have posted that I think she is a disaster in the E Street Band, think she moseys in on the sound etc...etc... and I think it should be an all male lineup.
(I also hve a moral stance about women who move in on somebody else's man as the song says and it's pretty obvious she did that) .

You have a moral stance about women who move in on somebody else's man, but you think Scialfa is a role model. You need to take your head off and screw it back on.

As a girl, I am very interested in female songwriters and going on this album and these performances AND hearing her talk, I am really beginning to digg her. I really enjoyed today's performance and that song is growing on me. Good on her for persisting with her music and not just being a celebrity wife. She seems to have respect from some world class musicians.

You're diggin' on Scialfa. WOW!! I'm sure she's thrilled. Yeah. Keep listening, til it grows on you. That's how it's done when you're a Springsteen and Scialfa fan. Conditioning through repetition. Persisting with her music?? She's produced three CDs throughout her entire career. That's not really persistence. That's appeasement because she's Mrs. Springsteen. WOW!! She has respect from world class musicians. Who would those be? I mean, if world class musicians respect you, that's all you need in life. What a gal!

She seems like a very honest, down to earth woman. Qualities that are rare in her world I am sure. She has done a good job of raising her kids out of the limelight and is still with her husband. She looks great. She is a model for any woman. Very few people could pull all that off.

Listen to this analysis by a poster at BTX from a brief interview of Scialfa on The View. She ascertains that Scialfa's a down to earth, honest woman. She's managed to raise her kids out of the limelight. What??? Most famous people raise their kids out of the limelight. Why would anyone famous put their kids in the limelight? What is the big deal that she's still with her husband? That's what marriage is about. Many people have accomplished long marriages. Scialfa is a model for any woman?? Are you on drugs?? Look who she is married to. You can't be a role model married to Springsteen. Pregnant with child while Springsteen was married to Julianne. Allows her adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt proclaiming she's a red-headed woman when the song speaks to oral sex between her parents. Very few people could pull what off? Being married for a long period of time? Scialfa hasn't accomplished any heroic act. Many people have been married for 50 years plus. Why do you refer to it as Pulling it off? That's strange!

I don't like her in the E Street Band and if I was her - I would ditch it because she doesn't fit in a lot of the time and get a band and tour clubs. She would have a ready made audience. can't understand why with this kind of material she wouldn't be out doing her thing. I'd tell the hubby to get on with his thing and I'd get on with mine if I were her. Girl Power!

If she had a ready-made audience she wouldn't be touring with the E Street Band.

09-06-2007, 11:45 PM
Yep! For all those out there who are SOOOO nervous about getting Springsteen tickets, his sister adivses that all you need is FAITH.

FAITH, brother, FAITH!

Cause remember.

You're going to be seeing the Messiah.

09-07-2007, 09:40 AM
For those die hard Springsteen fans who are having a difficult time getting tickets, remember, you can always go over to BTX, kiss ar*se, and the "insiders" have a variety of ways to get tickets to you.

So, have faith!


Scialfa on the Conan show. Couldn't keep my eyes open long enough to see this stellar performance, but the BTX'ers, of course, have added their two cents:

They say:

Will Arnett told a cute story about how he was in a high-end men's clothing store and who was in line with him to check out but, yes, Bruce. He had a big pile of clothes and Bruce asked the guy "Can you put it on my account?" So the guy called the higher ups and apparently said "Mr. Rick Springfield is here and he needs to..." and apparently Bruce was gracious about it and gently corrected him saying "It's Bruce Springsteen"

Also important, after the Terry Cruise interview The Max Weinberg 7 launched into Ramrod.

That's important? The Max Weinberg 7 launched into Ramrod. Oh, I'm sure everyone in the audience knew this song. Did he play it especially for Scialfa?

And they gave ample camera time to Nils. Awww, he was clapping after the performance. He really is the reliable little brother. One another thing, having 4 E Streeters in the same building kinda gets my knees knockin'.

Yeah, four E Streeters in the same building. I'm sure it was shakin'.

Another poster reports:

Kind of lame to hear the same song two nights in a row, but it was much better this time, at least.

Same song on The Today Show, David Lettterman, Conan and The View. That would be four.

Another comment:

just watched the tape
of the four performances over the last three days I would say this one was the best
she had more control of the her voice
she seemed very very relaxed
did you notice they changed up the background singers
Soozie and Lisa were on the ends instead of together in the middle

nice job
and no mention of Bruce by Conan
but sure would have liked to hear what they were talking about under the end of show credits

Apparently, Scialfa is still trying to control her voice. Oh, look. They changed the background singers. Soozie and Lisa were on the ends instead of together in the middle. WOW. That really made a difference. Why do these posters think that when a host doesn't mention Springsteen, it's some kind of miracle? Apparently, they believe everyone in the world is intrigued, mystified and interested in him and Scialfa because they're obsessed. What's to ask?

Another comment:

I was awakened at 2:15 am by the soothing sounds of Patti's vocals
I watched the Today show gig and Letterman show and thought, by far, that this was the best sounding version! I think that Patti was more at ease. I really think the back up vocals make the song! Does anyone else think the back up vocals sound like "Outta Work" by Gary USB?

I think you mean you woke up startled when you heard her voice. The back-up vocals make the song according to this poster. Oh, that says a lot for the soothing sound of Scialfa's vocals.

And, yet another comment:

I was fortunate enough to be at the taping of Conan yesterday and it was purely coincidence that Patti was the musical guest (I booked the Conan tix months ago). It was awesome seeing 4 members of the ESB in one place! Max launched into Ramrod before they came out and it was cool to see Nils walk out while Ramrod was playing. Patti blew Max a kiss when she came out and they were all chatting after her performace (perhaps a discussion about rehearsals??) It was a good performance and very interesting to see it all happen in person.

Four members of the E Street Band together in one place. Gee, that never happened before. Ah, Patti blew Max a kiss. How sweet. They were chatting after the performance. Oh, my. This poster thinks their conversation was about rehearsals.

09-07-2007, 01:48 PM
From at poster at BTX Political World:

I also wanted to throw out a simple object lesson about why it's important not to let partisan hatred trump policy positions. The man himself (Bruce) has given the clearest possible example of how hatred for a politician makes you cut off you nose to spite your face. Here's what I mean:

I saw Bruce during the Devil's and Dust tour (four shows, I think), and at each and every one of those shows, he pleaded for a "humane immigration policy" before singing Matamoros Bank. Clearly he was arguing for something better than what we have now. It seemed to me that he was arguing for the immigration reforms that Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin fought for so passionately in the Senate last year.

This man thinks that Bruce cut off his nose to spite his face when he yelled "Impeach the President" at one of his shows in the early 2000's because it showed hatred toward a politician.

Due to this action, I suppose this poster believes NO ONE in CONGRESS acted upon Springsteen's so-called plea for a "humane immigration policy" during his Devils and Dust tour because of his "Impeach the President" comment.


As if Springsteen has any political power. Delusional in their belief that he holds a Senate seat. As if all of Congress listens to what Springsteen says politically at his shows so they can act upon it.

Yet Bruce remained oddly silent as the issue was debated in Congress.

This poster says Springsteen remained oddly silent as the issue was debated in Congress. ODDLY SILENT??? As if Springsteen has been an outspoken political figure??? Oh, yes, I always see him on the Bill Maher show, Jon Stewart, Hardball, etc.


Do I even need to answer?

This has always been my point with regard to Bush -- or more specifically hating all things related to Bush. Why let a politician with a limited shelf life trump your personal policy agenda? You should always fight for what you believe in even if it means (gulp) siding with Bush on occasion.

What?? So, this poster believes because Springsteen yelled "Impeach the President" at one of his shows, this is the reason Springsteen's personal policy agenda for an "humane immigration policy" has not been passed by Congress. I suppose Springsteen should have aligned himself with Bush, gone to the White House like Bono, had a little homosexual action and his plea would have been heard. Kerry could have joined them, too.

In case you haven't noticed, Springsteen and BONO are musicians and not political figures. Most people, other than their fans, don't pay attention to what they say politically. Only in the eyes of those who worship them and live in altered states of consciousness believe that they are heroes and can affect government policies. IF this were the case, America would not be in the position we face today with a near fascist/totalitarian/dictatorship upon us. A third world country, no doubt. Springsteen capitalized on the loss of thousands of lives in the Twin Towers with his CD, "The Rising."

Look at Bono for a clear contrast. Is there any doubt in your mind that he's a liberal? His personal issue is fighting AIDS in Africa. He's worked tirelessly and heroically on both sides of aisle in the US to raise awareness -- and look at the results. He helped build bipartisan support to send billions to Africa to fight the problem. I truly don't believe that we'd have the level of support to Africa we see today if Bono had behaved the way Bruce has behaved. To say this disappoints me is one of the largest understatements I will ever make. Bruce has been too busy hating Bush to fight for his own beliefs!! This is the tragedy of our times. We care more about politicians and anger than we do about policy and problems.

Yes. Let's look at Bono. How wonderful of Bono to help raise awareness of AIDS in Africa. As if we aren't all AWARE and we needed BONO for this. Bono is one of THEM, Pal. If HE actually accomplished anything, it was to make him look good and attract a wider audience. Remember, he sings songs about incest and Springsteen commends him for it as Springsteen does the same, because he's one of them, too, Pal.

Sorry, pal, but Bono and Springsteen aren't politicians.

You're livin' in a dreamworld.

I think terrorism is our number one problem and I wouldn't rub shoulders with BUSH, as Bono has to get anything done, when Bush has advanced the NWO to the point of America being under the control of Nazis.

I wouldn't rub shoulders with Kerry either, as Springsteen has, to get anything done politically, either.

Springsteen hasn't accomplished anything politically and neither has Bono.

Bono and Springsteen don't have any political clout. They don't have the ability to change the NWO suppression that is injected throughout the world and has reached America's soil in earnest since 911.

But, I'm certain they know about it. After all, Springsteen tells his fans in one of his songs, "Welcome to the NWO."

They share the same code and speak the same language as the rest of the "Satan worshippers," and sadistic pigs that they all are. Oh, yeah, did I forget to add sexual deviants?

Kerry is Skull and Bones. Bush is Skull and Bones. Springsteen is a satanist, pedophile, sexual deviant, mind controller and so, too, is Bono a satanist. They're all part of the same club.

They connect themselves with political causes to appear that they actually have the power to do something about our corrupt leaders.

They don't.

They attract fans this way and make millions for the music industry.

They're just playing a role and even though you'll be hard pressed to find any political songs by Bono or Springsteen, their fans believe they hold political clout because of what they say at shows in Springsteen's case which attracts MEDIA attention and we all know the MEDIA is owned and operated by the ZIONISTS, and the media hype around BONO and AIDS.

Bush has a 30-something-percent approval rating. He will be out of office in 16 months and deposited in the dustbin of history. He was willing to work with the Democrats on Social Security, immigration, education, and a other issues where he has always been somewhat at odds with his own base. But because so many these days are more focused on partisan anger than solving problems, nothing will get passed. It's sad.

When I was here, I posted frequently on healthy reports about the economy and Iraq and other things. When I did, I'd get hammered for flakking for Bush. That was never my point. My point was always that in these hyper-partisan times, sometimes you need to take a deep breath and realize that the world actually hasn't gone to hell in a handbasket. There are good things and bad -- just like always.

Ironically, Al Gore seems to "get" this. He's decided to work his issue instead of running for president and being forced to take compromised positions. I think he's right about that.

Anyway, I don't expect to be spending much time here on Political World. Sadly, it feels like a pointless exercise. People come here to rant. 've found much better places on the net for people who are actually looking for a good policy discussion that leads to answers. I'm going to stick to The Promised Land and Loose Ends. Hopefully, I'll see some of you at the shows.

09-07-2007, 02:18 PM
So, Springsteen was born in Long Branch, New Jersey, but he sings:

"I was born right here on Randolph Street in Freehold..

Artistic expression, confusion or because it rhymes with the next line better than Long Branch, but even his biography lists Freehold.

09-07-2007, 06:21 PM
Apparently, Springsteen has his own myspace:


09-08-2007, 11:17 AM
Such hypocrites.

There is a distasteful thread about Scialfa and Springsteen having sex. How many times. Landau took pictures. Patti had an orgasm, but to speculate whether or not they've had work done could be dangerous, one poster comments.

One of many distasteful threads. But, hey, they're both quite distasteful.

DANGEROUS to speculate they've had botox, face lifts, etc.!


Like it's not obvious Springsteen has a new head of hair and that Scialfa's hair isn't her own and not her natural hair color.

Come on!!

Get real!

09-08-2007, 05:53 PM
What middled-aged person in their right mind would spend all day on a musician's forum talking about him, his music, his wife, his life??



Some of these posters argue amongst one another as to whether or not Patti Scialfa is beautiful.


Why is it so IMPORTANT for them to believe that she is beautiful and to try to convince others who believe, "hey, you ain't a beauty, but that's alright with me," (line from Springsteen song)?

Truly weird.

Ever heard of the saying:

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Most people don't even know who Patti Scialfa is.

If they do, they know that she's married to Springsteen and some may know that she is the woman who had an affair with Springsteen while he was married to Julianne; photographed with Springsteen in his boxers on a balcony while married to Julianne and Scialfa was with baby while Springsteen was married to Julianne.

They know her as the "Red-headed Woman." Springsteen's song.

In a sense, seems that Springsteen may have written, "Born to Run" for Scialfa. You know, "Tramps like us, baby we were born to run."

If she were beautiful, perhaps she may have been photographed more during her lifetime since she is in the business.

The picture of her in People Magazine on her bed is quite unappealing.

It's not sexy, IMO.

It's like, what are you doing lying on your bed with your nightgown on?

Who are you trying to appeal to?

You're 53 years old.

Are you trying to attract a male audience or something?

As far as her vocals, some people like them and most people don't.

The reason she's only produced three CD's spanning the life of her career.

You know, if a singer/songwriter has to explain their songs to you, it's usually because their fans aren't going to be impressed on first listen, or second listen.

So, Springsteen and Scialfa are famous for this MO (psychobabble) about their lyrics.

If Scialfa were a great singer/songwriter she wouldn't be living her life in the shadow of her husband.

Maybe these Springsteen "fanatics" want to see Scialfa in a light in which they wish she were, but certainly is not, because she's married to their HERO.

Face reality!

She thinks she is SOMETHING she is not.

The same as her huband.

Like one reviewer said, Springsteen's career was over back in the 80's.


This reviewer says, that Scialfa's never had a successful career in the music industry.

It isn't criticism.

It's the truth.

Better to live the truth than a lie.

Cause one day, when you wake up, all that you thought you were will be no more.

09-08-2007, 06:49 PM
One poster at BTX describes Springsteen's "Magic" CD as an album that stinks and no one wants to admit it.

He comments that The Rising was a better album and that the "Magic" CD is a bunch of songs about the sky being blue and dusky and misty and mystery trains and a bunch of other pseudo-poetry cluttered with noise.


The second paragraph basically describes most of Springsteen's songs.

Springsteen seems to be stuck on dark, dusty, blue, misty, trains, dreams, dark holes, dark roads, etc., etc.

The usual.

One poster asked for input as to the interpretation of the song, "The Last to Die" because it was mentioned in the the Rolling Stone interview that it was a political song.

I think on this thread, I posted an article that mentioned another song as being political, but so far, as I've read the lyrics to all of the songs on MAGIC, I can't find one.

As I said, if you have to ask what a song is about and don't get it on first listen, it usually isn't a good song. If a song has to be interpreted, explained, if it's intended meaning has to be advertised and still the meaning is lost in translation, then the singer/songwriter hasn't done a good job of conveying the message.

Springsteen wanders in and out on all of the songs. Cohesiveness doesn't seem to be one of his assets.

Gee, I wonder why.

Do you think, he's trying to send embedded messages??

I assume this is suppose to be a political song because he's using Kerry's phrase about the war: How can you ask someone to be the last to die in a war. That is paraphrasing. I don't know exactly what the words were that Kerry used.

However, the song doesn't stick to it's intended theme, if it is anti-war song as suggested in the Rolling Stone article.

So evasive. Seems he can't stay on topic.

Many of the songs, as per usual, speak to a Darlin', a baby.

You know, does Springsteen do this for his female audience? I would assume so. Or for his sex slaves?

Perhaps, being evasive in his lyrics is Springsteen's MO for his dumb fans.

Oh, the mystery. What is he singing about? Let's discuss it at BTX for the next three years.

Certainly, trying to figure out what the man is singing about isn't worth my time or effort. Only in the sense of exposing "Mind Control within the Music Industry."

09-08-2007, 07:02 PM
Another BTXer is confused about the lyrics contained in the songs on Springsteen's Magic CD:

He says:

While I have to hold judgement until I hear the real deal in its entirety, Magic may be the first Bruce & E Street Band production in some time where I like the music more than the lyrics. And my knock against the lyrics is how abstract and, to me anyway, obtuse they often seem.

Do you guys "get" all of the songs on Magic, from the lyrics that have been posted? There are some wonderful lines (I love the one about her heels sounding like a gun barrel turning), but I just can't seem to crack the code to a lot of this. I assume they ARE meaningful, and I'm not able to get it yet. What are others' reactions?

Indeed. You need to crack the code to those cryptic messges. The following is an answer provided by another BTXer as to the original poster's confusion over the lyrics contained in the songs on the Magic CD. Brilliant salesman, isn't he? For a dumb fan, maybe.

He states:

The key part of this new record, is the order of the songs.The overall joyous theme switches completely right after the 8th track(Magic) is heard. In Magic the narrator warns us

Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you feel
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
Somebody's hanging in the trees
This is what we'll be
This is what we'll be

In The next three songs the fire has finally come up and we are obviously at war..Last To Die, Long Walk Home and Devil's Aracde might be the most powerful 1-2-3 combo I've heard in a Springsteen record since Tunnel Of Love's Last few songs. Again the key Track is Magic, which completely switches the overall feel and meaning of the record..the song can be seen as a warning of sorts for the times ahead.


Oh, Springsteen, the storyteller. This poster says the narrator in the song Magic warns us!! HUH?? Warns us??? He refers to the CD has having an OVERAL JOYOUS THEME! Gee, I sure missed that.

The key track is MAGIC, he says. The song can be seen as a warning of sorts for the times ahead.


The Magic song is a ridiculous song about Magic, but not the kind Springsteen practices which is black magic. Well, maybe to a certain degree.

Oh, this is a warning CD!! Better stick a label on it.

I think the original poster who asked the question is now going to be even more confused by the answer another poster gave him.

09-08-2007, 07:42 PM
The Boss woman

TO EMPHASISE THE LIKEABILITY OF a star we stress how down to earth she is. We burble that she's free of airs and graces and travels without an entourage. So here we are in the venerable London institution that is Claridge's, where the arrival of singer-songwriter Patti Scialfa - also known as Mrs Bruce Springsteen - is presaged by a series of telephone calls. She'll just be a little while. She's left her room. She's nearly here.

Patti Scialfa doesn't require an entourage. She's not really a star.

She appears. As first impressions go, her easy smile and outstretched hand bode well, but what's this I see - a record company PR, two female assistants, and a bloke in charge of hair and make-up. One pours her a cup of tea, another administers a last lick of concealer. "Attitude alert," I fret. Well, more fool me.

She's made the big time. Two female assistants, a bloke in charge of hair and make-up.

Like a blast of the fresh sea air gusting in off the Atlantic near her New Jersey home, Scialfa blows stuffiness to smithereens. Her people melt away. She starts talking and it's like gabbing with your best girlfriend, albeit one who's resplendently rock'n'roll with jingly jewellery, great cleavage and something of the night in her boho take on the tuxedo. She's slender, with a face that could easily belong to a decade-younger woman. Only her arms, slightly soft in the upper reaches, hint at her age.

Oh, my. He mentions her cleavage. When Patti was on The Today Show, Matt read a review that said she was "sexy" and "sultry." No doubt, the writer was told what to write and Scialfa knew Matt would be reading it. She looked at her band and said, "I'll take that." Why she's just become a regular sex kitten overnight, hasn't she?

Why am I telling you this? Because Scialfa, who turned 54 at the end of July, joins my list of women of a certain age - think Helen Mirren, Susan Sarandon - who, by their magnificence and general avoidance of Joan Rivers Syndrome, inspire the rest of us to face middle age with shoulders squared and heads held high.

I assume this writer hasn't done his research as to what type of work Scialfa's had done. One must be careful or they will reach the Joan Rivers' and/or Cher syndrome. All that attention you begin to receive sends you back for more plastic surgery. Now, Susan Sarandon. She's a natural beauty.

But Scialfa's contribution is more than skin deep. With Play It As It Lays, her third solo venture, she bucks the trend towards teeny-bopperism, delivering an album for grown-ups about grown-ups.

Bucks the trend towards teeny-bopperism??? She's never released a teeny-bopperism CD. Again, hasn't done his research and she's only released three CDs.

"I was trying to make a record that said you're allowed to be directly sexual and sensual whatever age you are, and to celebrate it. What does that stuff look like to me at this age? What are my wants, my desires? What am I still struggling with that I want to stop struggling with?" she says.

But, you're not sexual and sensual and neither are the songs contained on your CD. You're struggling with trying to be a famous singer/songwriter/musician.

"The way I was raised, the idea of women being infantilised was in the fabric of everything from the 1950s and early 1960s. The role models and signals you were getting said be passive, be acquiescent, and not in a great way like 'Hey, suck it up', but in a quiet, disappearing way. But if you look in R&B and soul, women were women in that music; they had real adult complaints and insisted on dignity through their songs, like Respect. And you didn't have to distort your anger; you could be very direct and even playful with it, like Wanda Jackson, whose songs were very celebratory, very sexual, unapologetic and strong."

You can't get much respect when you publicly have an affair, stand on stage when your husband sings "Red-headed Woman," allow your teenage daughter to wear a t-shirt that says, "I'm a Red-headed Woman," that speaks to oral sex between her parents or being the wife of Springsteen. Your songs are not celebratory, sexual, unapologetic or strong.

She had these role models in mind while writing the album, which explores a woman's many incarnations: wife, mother, sister, lover, friend, or even "just a fool in the end". And while it's not overtly autobiographical, the album talks about facing up to what's bad, as well as good, in a relationship, and accepting that you can live with it, you don't have to walk away.

Well, "A Town Called Heartbreak" and "Looking for Elivs" doesn't speak to any of what you describe.

Scialfa, who has spoken openly about benefiting from therapy, once said: "Anyone can love the beautiful things about a person, but that's not compelling to me at all. I find the broken, ragged pieces the most interesting, the items with the most depth. If you can find someone who can understand those pieces of you they can make you very strong. If your flaws are accepted then you truly feel recognised. You don't spend time hiding."

But, you said somewhere else that you like to "hide." Yes, we understand, having broken Springsteen's marriage and he being broken, too, that you find ragged pieces more compelling.

When I parrot this back she laughs, which, endearingly, she does easily and often. "I'm always drawn to the more unbeautiful, the darker, more complex things. I'm lucky in that area, that fascinates me." Do I smell a scoop? Is she saying the man they call The Boss is dark and complicated? The laughter ratchets up a notch. "Yeah. That's how he writes those great songs. But that idea is in my song Black Ladder, which says, 'Look I can see all that on the table, and love you and accept you; it's not frightening, it's not off-putting, it's actually enriching and human.'

She's lucky in that area because she's drawn to the more unbeautiful, the darker, more complex things. LIKE WHAT??? Yes. Springsteen is DARK. I'll verify that. Sounds like Scialfa is The Princess of Darkness. GAWD. Why must she explain these songs? I assume she's tryin' to put a little bit of her personal stuff with Springsteen out there (cryptic at best, like he is) to attract an audience.

"I think just being in a long relationship - Bruce and I have been together for 20 years and married for 17 of them - you really have to learn a lot about yourself. And you want to learn those things because they exist with your friends too, and your parents and your children. So how do I have more understanding for human frailties and limitations? When I was younger I felt so condemning of myself. As I got older, I went, 'Wait a minute, I really don't need to do this.' And then you need a really good group of women as a support network, and a good partner who doesn't let you do it."

She sounds so conflicted. Maybe therapy would help.

In Town Called Heartbreak she expands on the natural conflicts within a long-term relationship. "It's about the primitive ideas of being female and male and the polarities that have run through our culture forever. The song says, 'OK I know these exist. We can be very sophisticated and pretend they don't exist, but they do, so work with me on this.'

The song doesn't say this or maybe it's just that I can't understand what she's saying when she sings.

"The song's saying, 'I won't go in that part of myself but then you can't go there either. Let's not do the knee-jerk male female stuff.'

The lyrics don't say that either.

"It's probably more difficult when you've been with somebody for a long time, because it's easy to fall into those roles, especially for our generation. I have a daughter who's 15 and she's just strong and direct, with a great sense of humour and a great sense of compassion.

Talk to us when you've been married for 50 years. 17 years isn't really a long time.

"My sons are lovely. They're very comfortable with their sexuality. I think of myself, and my peers, at those same ages, and my sons have a much more ironic idea of what it means to be masculine."

OMG!! She's talking about her sons being comfortable with their sexuality. Why wouldn't they be?

That's what comes of having parents who set a good example, I suggest. "Hopefully," she replies. "Hopefully the generations close the gap a little bit."

Being comfortable with your sexuality is what comes from being a good parent?? Definitely Springsteen and Scialfa are sexually liberated publicly.

Scialfa joined Springsteen's E Street band as a backing singer in the late 1980s, and the pair have worked together ever since. How tough is it managing the work-life balance when they overlap? "The thing I feel really blessed with, and Bruce is really committed to - it sounds like such a cliché, but you've got to talk, you've got to demand that directness from each other."

Goodness. They've overcome such obstacles.

She has high praise for all her collaborators, but what Springsteen offers is the ability to put himself inside her head, to grasp what it is she's hearing and help her bring it out. Scialfa claims she's more self-critical than anyone else could ever be, but what if he really doesn't like something?

Springsteen goes inside her head; helps her grasp what she's hearing and brings it out. Crediting Springsteen for your lyrics isn't really a compliment.

"Criticism's offered in a totally constructive way. I couldn't be in a relationship with someone expressing themselves in a brutal way; I'm too lightly wrapped for that. I'd be like, 'Over'."

But, you said you were strong. The writer didn't ask if Springsteen was BRUTAL. He asked, "but what if he really doesn't like something?" Gee. Do you have to have his approval for everything?

Scialfa started singing in bars when she was 15 and loves her work, but she's not consumed by ambition. Ten years elapsed between her first solo album, Rumble Doll, and the follow-up, 23rd Street Lullaby, released in 2004. Not that she was idle during that time: the Springsteens have three children, Evan, 17, Jess, 15, and Sam, 13. What makes a woman who could afford a fleet of nannies choose to concentrate on her home life? She shoots forward in her seat, quick to correct me.

"I do have a lot of great help in the house. But I did sideline part of myself for a while. It's a funny thing, when children are young, especially, it doesn't matter how many people you have in the house, they still need you a tremendous amount of the time. I was always writing and making records that didn't get released, but I'm not ambitious. The thing of taking it out into the public has always been a more difficult step for me.

She actually uses the excuse that she's not ambitious as an excuse for not being a successful singer/songwriter/musician.

"I can only speak for myself, but I've always felt it's hard to break out of the role, when you're married and have children, that you're the gatekeeper, you're the glue. You're the one who has to be open all night, the last chance café. You're trying to make sure your children are covered, your marriage is covered and keep that circle you've created safe and protected and together, and it does take a lot of work. Now that our kids are older, I did this record pretty quickly, because their needs are less."

Well, sure when your husband is touring all the time. It takes two, baby!

After playing the big arenas together, do she and Springsteen have trouble shutting the door and shedding their rock star personas? Scialfa convulses with laughter, snorts and makes a face of utter incredulity. "It's the other way around: we have trouble gearing up to go out! [It's like] 'Oh God, I have to spackle and paint and raise the Titanic!' "

Springsteen has trouble getting out or you do? Patti Scialfa is not a rock star. She's a back-up singer in a rock and roll band.

• Play It As It Lays is out now on Sony.

This article: http://living.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1434852007

Last updated: 07-Sep-07 00:43 BST

09-08-2007, 07:57 PM
Scialfa by a Wide Range of Women on CD
By LARRY McSHANE – 4 days ago

NEW YORK (AP) — While writing songs for her new album, Patti Scialfa was inspired by a wide range of women: Queen of Soul Aretha Franklin, doomed poet Sylvia Plath, renowned author Joan Didion, and, shifting gears, drag racer Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your iPods.

"I didn't realize I'd done that, believe me!" the singer-songwriter says, laughing about the seemingly mismatched group. "I just like strong women. No matter how old you are, you still need your role models.

"That's why churches were built with high ceilings, you know? To look up."

For "Play It As It Lays," her third solo record, the 53-year-old Scialfa raised her personal bar for success. She decided to write about relationships, with her lyrics matched to the R&B sounds of classic Aretha and Al Green.

Lyrics matched to the R&B sounds of classic Aretha and Al Green?? Aretha in the same sentence with Scialfa. Who told this man to write that? Stop embarrassing yourself.

"I did want to expand myself musically, lyrically and emotionally," Scialfa says between sips of Earl Grey tea. "I wanted to push myself. I like to hide. ... I had to come up a little tougher."

See, this is where she said she likes to hide. Yep. It was just a little tougher. Thought you were "Tougher than the Rest."

The effervescent Scialfa wears a black jacket and pants, her red hair falling past her shoulders and a white ruffled shirt. Sitting in a Manhattan hotel suite, she's excited and expansive about the album.

Black jacket and pants. Tuxedo in the other interview.

"This record for me is exploring the complexities of long-term relationships," she says. "Real relationships. A partner, people who've been together for a long time. At this point in my life, that's very fascinating to me."

Oh, please with your exploration of long-term relationships already. So, whose relationships did you explore?

Not just romantic relationships — one track, "The Word," was initially written after her father's death. And, as she observes on "Like Any Woman Would," Scialfa's been a mother, sister, friend and confidant, as well as a spouse.

Along with a whole slew of other women who are mothers, friends, wives, sisters, and confidants.

Her husband of 16 years is Bruce Springsteen; now the mother of three, she joined his band in 1984, and became his wife seven years later.

But Scialfa said she wasn't worried about people reading her lyrics as a referendum on their marriage.

"No, that's OK," she said. "First of all, when you're writing, you're pulling from many, many different areas. I like to start out with something — a seed of some sort of feeling that I know deeply about, or else I feel that I don't write the song well.

Now she elaborates on how a songwriter derives their lyrics. What would we do without her insight and introspective?

"But once it gets going, you can pull anything into it."

Really? Once the song gets going you can pull anything into it. The professor of songwriting has just given all songwriters the green light in this area.

While Scialfa's music reflected her love of great R&B, her lyrics were influenced in part by Plath (on "Like Any Woman Would"), Didion (on title track "Play It As It Lays") and Muldowney (on "Run Run Run").

Helping along the way was a great band assembled for the album, featuring guitarist Nils Lofgren, drummer Steve Jordan, bassist Willie Weeks, keyboardist Cliff Carter and utility player Springsteen (harmonica, guitars, B3 organ).

The improbable group improbably dubbed itself "the Whack Brothers."

"They had a lot of fun playing with each other — the jokes and the fooling around all the time," she explains.

Lofgren, a fellow member of Springsteen's E Street Band, praised Scialfa's effort on his Web site. "Her new album is really amazing," Lofgren wrote, "and I'm happy to be a part of it."

Scialfa, who grew up in Asbury Park, N.J., emerged from the same Jersey shore music scene that spawned her husband, Little Steven Van Zandt and Southside Johnny Lyon. She wound up as a backing vocalist for the Rolling Stones, Buster Poindexter and Southside's Asbury Jukes.

Her first solo record, "Rumble Doll," was released in 1994 — and then came children, and band tours, and 10 years elapsed until her autobiographical "23rd Street Lullaby." Three years later comes "Play It As It Lays," which Scialfa deliberately limited to 10 songs.

"I thought, `Clear, about one thing — it'll be like reading a short story,'" she says. "And that's how I wanted it to go down, like a short story. Trim the fat. ... I don't like the excess."

Another story teller in the family. So, can you describe for us the story?

There will be a tour of some sort, most likely in early 2008, for Scialfa to perform her own music. It might be during a break from her other musical gig with Springsteen's E Street Band, which has a new album out Oct. 2 and a tour.

"Really, just selfishly, I have to do something for myself," she says. "You don't want to be resentful, when things come up in your life and you can't do the things that are important to you. My kids are a little older now. So I can go out — even if it's only for a month — just to get out there."

09-08-2007, 08:03 PM
Bruce Springsteen's music has never been relevant to any subject or matter.

Touring doesn't make his music relevant.

He is relevant to the music mobsters.

They hype him.

He owes them.

He has a cult following.

Other than his dedicated and devoted fans, most people stopped listening to him back in the early 80's.

09-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Copyright © 2001 KtB All rights reserved.

Save Me Somebody: Bruce Springsteen's Rock 'n' Roll Covenant

The Boss will take you to the river if you help him get there.
by Cornel Bonca

I. "The Ministry of Rock and Roll"

One night during his 1999-2000 tour with the E Street Band, midway through an elongated version of "Light of Day," Bruce Springsteen stopped the song in its tracks to make a thunderous speech, in that pseudo-evangelist voice his fans know well by now, about 'the power, the glory, the ministry of rock 'n' roll!"

Yes. The Preacher Man. For his fans, it's like listening to a rock n' roll sermon.

Anthony DeCurtis, reporting on the opening of the tour for Rolling Stone, thought it was shtick, and "hilarious" shtick at that. But while it was hilarious, it wasn't really shtick. What Springsteen was doing was putting on a mask that enabled him to say things he wanted to say -- things he's been saying, actually, for twenty years in interviews -- without coming off as a deluded messianic rock star.

He puts on a mask to say what things??? He does come off as a deluded messianic rock star and his fans come off as "brainwashed" followers.

There's almost nothing worse in pop discourse than reading about Bruce Springsteen from a Springsteen fanatic. Critical enthusiasm for Springsteen takes decidedly different forms from, say, the critical zeal surrounding Madonna, which comes off as either spooky show-biz worship or (among highbrows) the sort of semiotic hysterics that gets one named to Modern Language Association pop culture panels. It's even different from Dylan fanaticism, which tends to fall back on Dylan's own remoteness, cool and irony when critical adoration gets too sticky.

It's fanaticism. Go over to BTX.

But Springsteen isn't cool and remote, he's sweaty, present, and very there. The forms of irony his music takes aren't cute or postmodern, which is to say he's not fundamentally evasive, which is to say -- and here comes trouble for any critic writing around the millennial hour -- he's sincere. Springsteen fanatics don't just love the work or the act. While they go through all sorts of verbal contortions to hide it, the fact is they deeply admire -- O.K., they love -- the man.

Most of his songs are evasive and he's not what the public views which isn't anything to write home about either. Sincere about what??? Granted. His fans love the man. But, it's not just love. It's obsession which he's created.

In a pop landscape that's gone way beyond the music industry's traditional cynical button-pushing of audience emotion to the point where the audience fervently embraces its own manipulation as pop's puerile point (see Britney Spears, the boy bands, Limp Bizkit, etc.), Springsteen's genuineness and conviction, not to mention his command, embodiment, and extension of rock mythology, feels atavistic. It's also disarmingly heroic: the critics in his corner can hardly believe their own -- and rock's -- good fortune to still have him around.

He's a myth, alright, but certainly not genuine or heroic.

It's a little embarrassing how naked a love we -- I'll drop the evasive pronoun act, if you don't mind -- have for him. Here's what Marshall Berman, who isn't just a mere rock critic but a major league intellectual, once said about this love:

Obviously, this is written by a fanatic. Yes. It is embarrassing how naked a love you have for him. A major league intellectual next talks about his LOVE for Springsteen.

It is extraordinary how Bruce Springsteen has worked his way into so many people's lives. Ask them to think of their peak experiences over the past decade: Alongside the intimate private moments with their lovers, spouses, and kids, in deepest privacy, they'll remember moments in immense public spaces with Bruce and 20,000 others. And the fact that the feeling is shared and multiplied -- indeed promoted and orchestrated -- doesn't diminish the ecstasy and communion. I remember my moment... I had to see the people around me; and see myself, with new eyes. I felt at that moment that I would trust this man with my life.

It's not extraordinary how Springsteen has worked his way into so many people's lives. He's a mind controller. He practices black magic. Look at yourself. He's got you under his spell. Many musicians use it. A tool of the trade. A word of advice. Don't trust the man with your life. It almost got me killed.

Now it's easy to spy in this sort of thing a dangerous hero worship that flashes images of Nuremberg to the mind -- images that admittedly got reinforced during Springsteen's 1984-5 Born in the U.S.A. tour. But I don't know any Springsteen lovers who let such cynicism get to them. Instead, we merely nod our heads in appreciation at remarks like Berman's, as if to say, "Yeah, totally know what he means. I've felt that, I remember it, I treasure it." We're not afraid of giving ourselves wholeheartedly to a figure who, almost alone in the pop world, makes us feel as if we've got one -- i.e. a whole heart.

It's a dangerous hero worship because it's an illusion, an obsession and his fans live their lives through him. How do you give yourself wholeheartedly to a figure who, almost alone in the pop world makes you feel as if you've got one -- i.e., a whole heart?? Sounds like Springsteen attracts dysfunctional people like himself.

That trust that Berman talks about is something I'm sure (I trust) Springsteen is eager to displace from his person onto his music, or better, to the circle of feeling that gets created and reinforced as artist and audience egg each other on in performance or speak to one another across his records. It's essentially a covenant that's been struck between Springsteen and his audience from way back, echoes of which are heard in everything from "Thunder Road," to "The Promised Land," and "The Ties That Bind," and gets summed up on an 80s B-side called "Be True": "You be true to me, and I'll be true to you." What's striking about this covenant, and what distinguishes it from most other rock experiences, is how morally complex this simple-sounding promise turns out to be. And moral complexity is very hard to talk about in a rock context without sounding like a solemn, righteous egghead.

Springsteen is not a moral man nor are many of his songs.

Yet Springsteen's music is demonstrably moral not because it does anything as simplistic as espouse a particular ethic (the idea of him pulling a Christian conversion album, like Dylan's Slow Train Coming, is unthinkable) but because it creates a form of address (a style of will, to borrow an old, usefully eggheady idea from Susan Sontag) whose greatest concern and sympathy have to do with consequences: What happens when we act out of passion or cowardice, weakness or strength, love or hate, the crazed desire for redemption and transcendence? How do we deal with guilt? And what happens when all these things flow into one another, when they become part of what Springsteen calls (on Lucky Town) the Big Muddy? Rock 'n' roll isn't supposed to be about consequences, but Springsteen has turned it to moral account in a way which forces its Dionysian passion to face the disasters that often follow in its wake.

Again, pal, read his lyrics. His music isn't demonstrably moral. You're emotionally co-dependent upon Springsteen and his psychological state of being expressed in his songs.

Skim the Springsteen catalogue -- from "Incident on 57th St." to "Born to Run" and Thunder Road," from "Badlands" to "Adam Raised A Cain" and "Darkness on the Edge of Town," from "The River" to "Point Blank" and "Stolen Car," then on to "Atlantic City," "State Trooper," "Born in the U.S.A." "Seeds," "Tunnel of Love," "Lucky Town," "Living Proof," "Human Touch," "With Every Wish," "The Ghost of Tom Joad," "Youngstown," and "Land of Hope and Dreams" and "American Skin (41 Shots)" from the recently released CD called Live in New York City. What you get over and over are dramatic enactments pitting a Dionysian spirit desperate for release against an equal and opposite force desperate for moral containment. This struggle frankly recalls what Nietzsche said made for great drama in The Birth of Tragedy, and goes a long way toward explaining why otherwise sober thinkers like Marshall Berman would trust Springsteen with their lives.

To say Springsteen reliably delivers the cathartic goods is one way of putting it; another is to push the thesis here past the idea that Springsteen's power and originality lies in his moral address to the idea that Springsteen's music at its best is spiritually rejuvenative, even, in its modest way, religious. Which brings us back to what Springsteen called "The Ministry of Rock and Roll."

Springsteen's music is not spiritual nor is it religious or rejuvenativing. It is dark and depressing.

II. "I'm Not Bullshittin' Back Here"

Springsteen indeed does think that rock is ministerial; he does think it's redemptive; he does think that rock music literally saves people's lives -- ask Patti Smith, ask Eddie Vedder. He also knows that you can't just say this stuff straightaway without a mask, especially in front of 20,000 people who can't keep their eyes off you. The mask supplies the necessary ironic distortion, and then you deliver the meaning, literally, in the moment, in the music. Live in New York City does this with nearly unparalleled power.

Springsteen thinks rock music saves people's lives?? Give me a break. It places them in altered states of consciousness, triggers their sexual programming and distracts them from world events. Places them in a hypnotic trance. What message does Springsteen deliver other than he is a sexual deviant?

I'm not going to go through the whole album, though it's tempting to note how the initial trio of songs ("My Love Will Not Let You Down," "Prove It All Night," "Two Hearts,") are entirely about, and passionately enact, Springsteen's commitment to his band and his audience, his commitment to the covenant he needs to help forge with his fans if the music is going to do its vital work.

The music is going to do its' vital work?? What work would that be? As above? Altered states of consciousness?

It's also tempting to drop a few hundred words about "Youngstown," which Springsteen has entirely transformed from its somber folk studio version (on The Ghost of Tom Joad) by lacing it with a new and monstrous rock guitar figure as well as a guitar solo (courtesy of Nils Lofgren) that with slow and accumulating power builds and then explodes past the dead-end nihilism in the lyrics ("When I die I don't want no part of heaven/ I would not do heaven's work well/ I pray the devil comes and takes me/ To stand in the fiery furnaces of hell") and forges for the song's suffering protagonist a steely dignity and grace.

Yep. Great verse. "When I die, I don't want no part of heaven/I would not to heaven's work well/I pray the devil comes and takes me..." Yep. The Ministry of Rock 'n Roll. The religious lyrics right there.

Finally, it seems necessary to remind ourselves that Bruce Springsteen was 50 years old when these concerts were recorded, and that it's difficult to imagine the other great rock singers of roughly Springsteen's generation -- McCartney, Daltrey, Van Morrison, Jagger, Plant -- or even anyone ten or twenty years younger than Springsteen - say, Bono, Zack de la Rocha or Vedder -- singing with his sheer power, range, expressiveness or energy over a three hour period.

Springsteen screams.

What I'd like to do is stick with the three songs that end the concert proper on the CD --the marathon showstopper "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out," and then the two new songs, "Land of Hope and Dreams," and "41 Shots."

"Tenth Ave Freezeout" has served as a barnstorming finale in the past -- it's a perfect number to introduce the band -- but while it does function that way here, Springsteen takes it to an entirely different place as well. He uses the song essentially the way he used "Light of Day" on earlier legs of the tour, to make manifest the spiritual purpose of the concert. He does it first by quieting down the song's R 'n' B stomp and slithering into a version of "Take Me to the River" which is equal parts Al Green and Jimmy Swaggart. (In the HBO filmed concert of the concert, first shown in April, there's even a close up of Springsteen's feet as they scoot and skip across the stage in mock tribute to Swaggart's ecstatic cross-the-stage shuffle.) Then slowing down further, he goes into an extended rap with the audience which borrows liberally from the styles of gospel revivalists and carnival barkers alike, though he never edges into straight parody, never gets merely "hilarious." Hiding behind the mask is a man who wants to mean everything he says.

The spiritual purpose of the concert. HUH???

And this is what he says:

That's where I want to go
I want to go to that riverside
I want to go to the river of life
I want to go to that river of love
I want to go to that river of faith
And that river of hope.

Tonight I want to go to that river of transformation
Where you go to be changed.
But you got to work at it -- that's right!

I want to go that river of sanctification
Where all life's graces and blessings fall down upon you like rain
But you got to work at it.

I want to go that river of resurrection
Where everybody gets a second chance
But you got to work at it.

Tonight I want to go to that river of sexual healing -- and companionship
I want to go find that river of joy and happiness.

I'm not bullshittin' back here.

But you don't stumble on those things by accident.
You got to search them out, seek after them.
And that's why we're here night after night after night after night.
'Cause you can't get to those places by yourself
You got to have help!

That's where I want to go tonight
And I want you to go with me
Because I need to go with you--that's why I'm here.

Oh, the Preacher Man is helping his fans get to these places. I get it. Why doesn't he do his shows in a church? They're there night after night after night cause his fans can't get there alone. They have to come see him and continue to donate.

In these last two lines, which basically sum up the covenant, the circle of feeling the entire concert is about creating and affirming, you can hear him -- and see him on the HBO tape -- as he entirely drops the barker/revivalist voice to speak in a voice that is most his own. Then back to the mask:

And tonight I want to throw a rock and roll exorcism!
A rock and roll baptism!
A rock and roll bar mitzvah!
That's right! -- We're going to do it all tonight -- everything -- right now
I want the waters to fall on me and set me free, set you free…

Life, love, faith, hope, transformation, sanctification, resurrection, sexual healing, companionship, joy, happiness: Springsteen is not bullshittin' back here. Springsteen's faith in these things -- his faith in rock's ability to bring these things to life, in fact -- comes as a desperate lunge for sustenance when other forms of faith, specifically Christianity, fail. (From "Human Touch": "Ain't no mercy on the streets of this town / Ain't no bread from heavenly skies / Ain't nobody drawing wine from this blood / It's just you and me tonight").

Yep. He's their GOD alright. Heals, cleanses, purifies, etc.

In his early work, which is filled with fallen Catholic school boy images -- nuns, saints, crosses, church bells, etc -- there's no attempt to give the religious any weight, but since the late 80s, his lyrics have been filigreed with unironized religious images: "Cautious Man" (from Tunnel of Love) notes how the moonlight on the protagonist's wife's face fills "their room in the beauty of God's fallen light"; the tormented ex-lover in "I Wish I Were Blind" (from Human Touch) sees that "the world is filled / with the grace and beauty of God's hand"; the new father in "Living Proof" (from Lucky Town) calls his newborn son "a little piece of the Lord's undying light." The ritual, the rules, the submission of Christianity have dropped away, but the awe of the religious has remained and intensified, as has the sense of moral responsibility -- and for Springsteen it's rock and roll's job to help keep that awe, that responsibility and reverence toward life, alive.

Oh, yeah. The awe of the religious Springsteen has remained and intensified as has the sense of moral responsibility and for Springsteen, it's rock and roll's job to help keep that awe, that responsibility and reverence toward life, alive. I guess that's why they call him THE BOSS. It all rests upon his shoulders.

That's certainly the job of "Tenth Avenue Freezeout," which, after all the preachifying, plunges into a frenzy out of which Springsteen can hardly extricate himself. As you watch him extend the song into one more false finale after another, it's as if Springsteen's afraid to stop, as if he fears that the power, the glory, the ministry ends when the music does, and he can't stand it. Which is maybe why when his voice and body are just about ready to give out, he lets the guitars and drums surge to a giant crescendo and then he screams "SAVE ME SOMEBODY!" And if you have the HBO tape (the slo-mo button is great help here) you can look into his eyes and notice that he's stripped off the mask completely, and that he looks way past intense or committed or passionate or carried away and, for a brief moment, looks truly, beautifully insane. Possessed.

You got that right. Truly insane and possessed after one of his episodes on stage.

III. "Faith Will Be Rewarded"

The song that follows, "Land of Hope and Dreams," is a great hymn to America; not the real one, of course, but the dream America that accepts "saints and sinners," "losers and winners," "whores and gamblers"; the mythic America where "dreams will not be thwarted" and "bells of freedom ring."

Lyrically, with the song's protagonist urging his love to join him on a train whose "big wheels roll through fields where sunlight streams," it's half Woody Guthrie and half Statue of Liberty opening her motherly arms. Without knowing Springsteen's back catalogue -- which is as chilling about darkness, evil, and unrelenting despair as any in rock ("Adam Raised A Cain," "Point Blank," "Nebraska," "Seeds," "State Trooper," and much of The Ghost of Tom Joad hold up well against, say, "Gimme Shelter" or Tonight's the Night) -- the new song's lyrics might seem trite, the way Blake's Songs of Innocence can if they're not framed by the Songs of Experience.

Yes. A back catalogue which is as chilling about darkness, evil, and unrelenting despair as any in rock.

But in context -- that of Springsteen's career, and more specifically, of the concert this comes at the tail end of -- "Land of Hope and Dreams" sounds earned, an affirmation that survives the crucible of suffering which is particular to those mad enough to still dream America's dream.

But the song isn't just about America. It's about rock and roll as the special American conduit through which faith, hope, and love gets created, strengthened, and rejuvenated through community. The song begins with the same call that animates "Thunder Road" and "Born to Run": Baby, let's hit the road. "We'll take what we can carry and we'll leave the rest... Meet me in a land of hope and dreams." And like those songs, in performance it doesn't just tell the characters' story, but the story that's happening at the moment Springsteen sings it. The burden carried by the simplicity of the song's optimism is something Springsteen is obviously aware of -- he has to make himself and the audience believe not only that America is a land of hope and dreams, but that it's worth thinking this is a land of hope and dreams. And the only way he can pull it off is make the experience of the song ring with such life, love, faith, transformation and all the rest that the experience becomes its own argument. For me, the song is overwhelming and unassailable.

The song is about rock and roll as the special American conduit through which faith, hope, and love gets created, strengthened, and rejuvenated through community?? This writer sounds totally sucked in or they paid him good to write this garbage.

After the first two verses, the song veers into a bridge that for its final seven minutes it never leaves. We never get back to a verse or chorus. And the bridge keeps affirming "this train" that carries the weary, the downhearted, the lost, promising to them that "dreams will not be thwarted." And if the train is America, the train is more crucially the concert itself, is rock itself -- Springsteen, the band, and the audience in its covenant all stirring themselves to create the communal spiritual strength needed to believe, in the lyrics' central line, that "faith will be rewarded."

Oh, yeah. Keep paying to see the Preacher Man and your faith will be rewarded.

It ain't easy. Springsteen's been singing his heart out for two and a half hours already, and he's worn out. The song, moreover, is hard on the lungs and vocal cords. But he keeps at it, the E Street Band building layer upon layer of noise and power, until Bruce quiets them down to focus on the lyrics again:

This train...
Carries saints and sinners
This train...
Carries losers and winners

And his voice suddenly starts to falter. On the video, you look at him, sopping with sweat, his eyes almost puffed shut, and you think, "This song's got a long way to go, how's he going to get through this?" It's as if he's slipped off the train he's singing about and is hanging on by his fingernails, like some desperate character in a Depression road movie. But then you hear and watch him regather himself out of some deep reserve:

Desperate character for sure. Most of his so-called characters in his songs are desperate.

This train...
Carries lost souls
This train...
Dreams will not be thwarted
This train...
Faith will be rewarded

And as he sings this last line, he raises his right palm into the air, facing the crowd (a gesture he repeats each time he sings these words) and it's suddenly true in the moment: His faith in the crowd, in the music, in the vision the song's about, has given him the strength to burn through the moment of his weariness and exhaustion, and to emerge with renewed energy to keep the song alive and kicking. Faith indeed has been rewarded.

How was faith rewarded? The fans thought Springsteen was going to pass out but he came through?

The song keeps going (clocking in, finally, at almost ten minutes), with Springsteen bringing the crowd closer to the song's ardor. At one point, he calls to the crowd, "Let me see your hands!" and the ensuing roar urges whatever hesitant stragglers there are in the audience to climb aboard the big steel wheels. Springsteen keeps it up, exhorting, begging the crowd to stay with him: "Come on this train... come on this train... come on this train..." because he knows he can't stay on it if they don't, and then comes a scream that's up there with the best of Roger Daltrey's: "Say Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh! -- which is nothing less than a desperate plea for the audience to give itself over to the covenant ("I want you to go with me because I need to go with you -- that's why I'm here."). As it ends, the crowd's roar is as loud and intense for this brand new song as for any of his verified classics, and one realizes that that's because it worked, triumphantly, the song's faith begetting faith in the song, Springsteen's faith in his audience, his audience's faith in him. Rock's recurring mytho-poetic magic has done its work again -- and if the audience isn't sitting there trusting this man with their lives, they at least know that nothing feels better than faith that will be rewarded.

Springsteen needs his fans to come on this train, because he knows he can't stay on it if they don't. He has his fans imagining they're getting on a train with him. Okay! How old are they? Two?

IV. "Baptized in These Waters"

That Springsteen doesn't call it a night at this point is a measure of his own rock fanaticism as well as his deep desire to continually complicate his vision. The stage darkens, the crowd roar drops (though not enough for Bruce: during the intro he says, "We're going to need some quiet"), and the band goes into the dark, elegiac "American Skin (41 Shots)," which is about the Amadou Diallo murder case, in which an unarmed black man was shot at 41 times by New York City police officers in February 1999. The song made news because some New York Police Association leaders, claiming the song was anti-cop, went after Springsteen in public. But as Hendrick Hertzberg pointed out in The New Yorker soon after the ruckus, the song isn't anti-anything: It's a tortured meditation on the fear and violence occasioned by the history of American racism. In separate verses, the song takes up the horror of the Amadou family ("You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule / Praying for his life"), the panic of the officers right before they shot him ("Is it a gun, is it a knife / Is it a wallet, this is your life"), and of a young ghetto mother who we imagine has heard of the case and cautions her child as he heads off to school ("If an officer stops you / Promise me you'll always be polite / And that you'll never ever run away / Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"). The band's four guitars and two keyboards build to an excruciating tension, which reaches its apogee when Springsteen sings:

41 Shots... and we'll take that ride
-- Cross that bloody river
To the other side.

What does that have to do with the incident?

41 Shots...got my boots caked in this mud
-- We're baptized in these waters
And in each others' blood.

This is the concert's Song of Experience to counter "Land of Hope and Dreams," and it's perfectly poised. The river of life, love, hope, faith, transformation, sanctification, resurrection, sexual healing and companionship, joy and happiness alongside which the train gloriously rides in "Land of Hope and Dreams" is also a river of blood where "You can get killed just for living / In your American skin." And with that awful, awe-inspiring juxtaposition, Springsteen ends his concert and sends his fans back into the world.

Springsteen sends his fans back into the REAL WORLD would be more accurate in a hypnotized, tranced, altered state of consciousness.

Springsteen's "ministry" preaches strength, love and faith before suffering and radical ambiguity. He borrows a Christian idiom, ironizes and then recovers it. It's a humanism produced by a community observing the laws of its covenant, finally, but a humanism juiced by whatever it is about rock's power that makes us feel that desire, dreams, and life itself are sacred.

He preaches surrender to him.

"Hold holy your highest hope," Nietzsche said. Springsteen is one of the few popular artists now who can credibly work at that level of romanticism and spiritual affirmation.

Cornel Bonca teaches literature at California State University, Fullerton, and is Books Editor of the Orange County Weekly. He last wrote for KtB with a review of Allegra Goodman's Paradise Park

09-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Springsteen's sister pops into The Promised Land to squelch all the discontent with the new CD and says:

No matter what you think of the album, wait to hear it live. Bruce will make you a believer!


Yep. In your altered state of consciousness, Springsteen has the ability to make you believe anything.

09-08-2007, 10:30 PM
There is an interview with Scialfa in Rolling Stone's September 20th issue. Here is a brief synopsis.

Do Springsteen and Scialfa have any consideration of their children?

Apparently, her new CD reveals her marriage to Bruce Springsteen. Obviously, I've only listened to two songs and don't see this connection. I'm hard pressed to believe anyone even cares about their marriage or that her lyrics in the other songs contain any references to the same.

So, the interviewer asks her "point blank" about her new CD and what people will infer from it regarding her marriage to Springsteen.

Scialfa responds, "Just get right to it. No foreplay?"


Regarding the song, "Bad for You," which she says is in response to Springsteen giving himself license to sing "Reno," she drank tons of Tequila, smoked a lot of cigarettes so she could get to that person in the song, the GIRL that's maybe flirting too much and sending signals she shouldn't be sending.


She had a teacher in college who said she didn't care if you got stoned or what, but you were going to sit there and listen for five hours to the Billie Holiday record.

My notes: Scialfa was singing in bars at the age of 15. She grew up near Springsteen. She called Springsteen in high school to audition for one of his bands, but she stayed in school. She knew him before she joined the band in 1984. Hung out with him at bars. They've been together for 20 years. I'd like to inform you that no matter how long you've been together or have known him, it doesn't change the PAST.

They both knew it had to be the real deal or NOTHING AT ALL so they waited eight years to get married after she joined the band.


They waited??? He was married during that time.

As far as the "RENO" song. Scialfa said to Springsteen why are you writing about that shit? Her artistic side that it was SO brave. Her heart said are you fu*king crazy?

Apparently, that song bothered her, but Red-Headed Woman doesn't or allowing her adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt that says, "I'm a Red-Headed Woman" doesn't bother her either when it speaks to oral sex with her parents.

Apparently, she doesn't have a problem with Springsteen singing songs using female names other than her name or his catalogue of songs that speak to homosexuality and pedophilia.

Obviously, Scialfa may wear the pants, but not the PANTS in the family.

09-08-2007, 10:38 PM
Bad For You
Patti Scialfa

Hey there darlin' with that smile on your face
Do you wanna see me fall from my pretty hill of grace?
I cross my heart, say a prayer, and knock on wood
Oh, I could have had it bad for you, and that's not good
Hey there baby there once was a time
You could have rolled me like tobacco, could have spilled me like wine
Across the lips, across the fingers, across the skin of your neighborhood
And I could have had it bad for you, and that's not good
You can sing for your supper, for the roof over your head
For Mohammed, Buddha, Jesus
For the living and the dead
For the words you lock in silence you wished that you had said
Or you can sing to fill the emptiness that's banging 'round your head
It's just your bed looked so pretty, I wanted to be there waking up
With your sugar, milk, and coffee in my lonely cup
All right, all right, it's understood
Oh, I could have had it bad for you, and that's not good
I could have had it bad for you
And that's not good


Third song on her CD. Oh, yeah. This song definitely is about their marriage.

She had to get drunk to sing this and it's in response to RENO.

So, this song, "A Town Called Heartbreak," "Looking for Elvis," all explore relationships and reveal her marriage to Springsteen.

So, very, very deep.


09-08-2007, 10:44 PM
DNA has slipped into a delusional state again. He's asking Figgy questions.

I certainly hope he doesn't expect to get a response.

They're speaking Brucespeak.

Here you go, 2Heart's replies.

Here's some Magic.

They just catch right on, don't they?

09-09-2007, 11:22 AM
Trudie, Sting's wife, shows video of the birth of her son at his 21st birthday party!


09-09-2007, 11:26 AM
They're looking for volunteers for the important job of calling in the setlist from each Springsteen show.

The fanatics who aren't at each and every show hang out at BTX during the shows they're not attending waitin' to see what songs Springsteen is playing that they've missed, but actually they've probably heard a dozen or more times live since they normally attend more than one show during each tour and they've been faithfully and blindly following their leader for decades.

2Hearts is actually going for five shows!

09-09-2007, 11:05 PM
WOW!! Radio Nowhere was played at the Dolphins/Skins games.

Excitement for the children.

Does this ever happen to you?

Happens at my house quite frequently or when I'm in my car.

A helicopter flies over when my radio is on and, lo and behold, a Bruce Springsteen song is played.

Have any idea what that might mean?

On another note, Scialfa states that she was singing in bars when she was 15.

Call me stupid, but is this allowed?

I mean, 15 years old and performing in a bar?

09-09-2007, 11:10 PM
Springsteen is such a perfectionist according to 2Hearts and, therefore, she can't understand why Sony doesn't handle his promotion better or why his official site is so unappealing.

Apparently a DJ today played all of the songs on the MAGIC CD and Springsteen's most loyal fan turned his radio off.

Oh, the fans are pondering. Why would this happen?

Always protecting their hero.

They simply don't understand how things work.

Like Springsteen needs them to protect him. He needs more than his fans, I'll say.

One poster states the obvious:

It is all a game. Sony pretends they don't want stations to play it but send it out weeks early. DJ pretends he is doing it against Sony demands. Sony sends letter to or fax to station from lawyer saying "cease and desist." DJ talks on air about how sony contacted him and he can't play it again. Local paper does story. People want to hear it. Publicity creates interest. Blah blah blah. It isn't the Pentagon Papers.

Funny, my husband and I were talking about how technology is so complicated these days and 2Hearts posts a comment about how advanced technology is these days.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

09-09-2007, 11:17 PM
Strange, isn't it?

One of the songs on the Magic CD has a line something like:

"I'll slice you in half from ear to ear" and Springsteen's loyal fans love it.

I guess they're in such a fog they dont' understand violent lyrics when they come from Springsteen's mouth.

Several references to blood.

And, oh yes, the songs they reference as political are overt, naturally.

I mean, has Springsteen ever written a political song that wasn't overt or cryptic?

I think not.

Does he ever get to the point in any of his songs?

09-09-2007, 11:24 PM
Dissed by our own
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/8/07

Jon Bon Jovi's digs in Middletown. Bruce Springsteen's spread in Colts Neck. The governor's beach house at Island Beach State Park. All would be ideal settings to celebrate the end of summer.

So where does Bon Jovi host his party last Saturday night? At his place in the Hamptons on Long Island, complete with Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Billy Joel and a roster of music giants. Yes, New Jersey can't get no respect even from the state's biggest rock stars. And who else showed up? Gov. Corzine.

Oh, there are explanations. Bon Jovi has a place in East Hampton, so why not throw a dinner party for some friends there? Corzine vacations on Long Island because his girlfriend has a home there and his children live or stay nearby.

Aren't they concerned how that reflects on New Jersey? Tourism is the state's third largest industry — generating $37.6 billion last year — yet the governor spends his time off elsewhere. Bon Jovi's Grammy-winning song, "Who Says You Can't Go Home," has been the centerpiece of the state's tourism campaign this year. Bon Jovi and Springsteen have spiced their concerts with Jersey references, have raised millions for charities and own homes here, yet they party out of state.

Of course, Corzine isn't the first governor found dissing the Jersey coastline for summertime enjoyment. Thomas H. Kean took plenty of heat for staying at his place on Fishers Island in Long Island Sound while he was touting "New Jersey and You: Perfect Together" during his tenure in the '80s.

If nothing else, the whole shebang provides fresh fodder for the late-night comics. That keeps New Jersey in the limelight. Even a backhanded compliment is better than none.


Oh, look! Poor New Jersey. Bon Jovi hosted a party and it was in New York.

New Jersey actually thinks that because Bon Jovi wrote a song, "Who Says You Can't Go Home" and because New Jersey's Governor spent time at the party in New York, Springsteen and Bon Jovi spice their songs with New Jersey references, this is a bad precident for tourism.

Oh, yeah. Next time I decide I want to visit New Jersey, I'll think twice because Bon Jovi, Springsteen and Corzine all partied together in New York.

So, you really think they care about New Jersey or a tourist cares where the hell Springsteen or Bon Jovi party?

Get real!

Party in Jersey or tourists aren't going to visit.

09-09-2007, 11:29 PM
Another Springsteen site criticizing Springsteen's myspace site.

Is this the best his handler's can do?

How strange.

Springsteen has a myspace site!


09-09-2007, 11:35 PM
I guess they have to give Springsteen's Magic CD away:

Springsteen’s New Magic Album Leaked In Its Entirety Online

Fred Mills
September 7, 2007

Despite stringent security precautions on the part of Columbia Records to keep Bruce Springsteen’s new album Magic under wraps until its official Oct. 2 release date, as of this morning MP3s of the entire album were flying around the Internet faster than you could say “Rosie, come out tonight!”

Twelve songs in all had been posted to various websites or file-sharing services—one of them, “Terry’s Song,” about Springsteen’s late friend Terry Magovern, is reportedly a track that isn’t on the album and will presumably turn up as a bonus or a B-side.

WOW! A bonus or B-side song titled "Terry's song," will presumably turn up at some later date, but thus far has been leaked. Terry, as in Terry "Frank" McGovern, who recently deceased, Springsteen's right arm, also connected to NASA, whom Springsteen sings about in songs. His homosexual "love songs."

In short order, the bloggers ground into action:
At the Matt Orel “Orel Family” blog a fairly in-depth, and somewhat critical, review of the album was posted. The New York magazine website basically just posted the info along with a couple of brief song descriptions. And the Asbury Park Press broke the news along with comments on and lyrics from the aforementioned “Terry’s Song.”
Hey, don’t shoot HARP—we’re just reporting the news here!

Incidentally, at Bruce’s official MySpace page, there is a heartfelt remembrance of Magovern penned by Springsteen, written on August 20 and posted to the page on Sept. 1.

Oh, yes. Please be sure to read cause we're all so interested in Springsteen's life and his friends.

Meanwhile, this week the first single, “Radio Nowhere,” from the Springsteen album was issued along with the accompanying video. It is, as the saying goes, pure Boss, as good a drop-down anthem as it gets, and a killer song to blare from your car speakers as you tool around during the waning days of summer.

Sorry, pal, but Springsteen hasn't produced any anthems and "Radio Nowhere" certainly is not an anthem song. An anthem about what???

09-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Bruce Springsteen Ticket Buyers Prepare for the Frenzy
Fri, 09/07/2007 - 4:21pm — TicketNews

Ticket Sellers Rankings Roundup 9/07/07

By Stacey Willets

Hannah Montana. Van Halen. Bruce Springsteen. Someone in the ticket industry made three very good wishes.

It doesn’t take a veteran market analyst to know what to expect when tickets for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band go on sale tomorrow morning. The industry already caught a preview when Springsteen’s Belfast show sold out in a record eight minutes yesterday, great for sellers, but the cause of some consumers spinning conspiracy theories about Ticketmaster withholding seats and brokers snagging all the tickets before they could go on sale.

Well, golly. I think I said the same cause it's true.

There are many ways that brokers acquire tickets, most of which are the same ways the rest of us get them. They phone in orders, they buy online through Ticketmaster or Live Nation, and they stand in line at the venues and local ticket outlets. They join fan clubs to participate in presales or take part in special offers exclusive to some major credit card holders. They even buy their tickets from other brokers on the secondary market. The difference between your established broker and the average consumer is that the broker is much more seasoned at obtaining tickets, most likely has multiple people involved in the buy, and overall has much better connections. . .

Excuse me, but they have the tickets before they go on sale and apparently TICKETMASTER sells these tickets to the brokers and the brokers sell them to fans at outrageous prices.

But with Springsteen tickets already appearing on secondary sites such as top-ranked StubHub.com, second-ranked TicketsNow.com, third-ranked TicketLiquidator.com, fourth-ranked ABCtickets.com, fifth-ranked RazorGator.com, seventh-ranked CoasttoCoastTickets.com, and tenth-ranked TicketsPlus.com, it isn’t hard to see why people are suspicious. How could so many tickets be available before the on-sale?

The reality is that buying Bruce Springsteen tickets before this weekend is somewhat similar to when you pre-ordered your final installment of the Harry Potter series. The brokers may not have all the tickets in hand just yet, but they do have the resources to get them. They take Springsteen orders confident in their ability to provide the tickets requested. It may seem like a gamble to some, but finding hard-to-get tickets is the broker’s specialty and most major secondary sites have a buyer guarantee that if sellers cannot get exactly what a customers orders, they must provide seats of equal or better value for the price paid.

WHY DO BROKERS HAVE TICKETS?? Why does ticketmaster exist if most of the tickets go to brokers? Brokers can find hard to get tickets? Why? Why do brokers have tickets in the first place? Why aren't all the seats in the house on sale on the day tickets go on sale?

So if brokers aren’t hoarding all the tickets, how do they sell out so quickly? Consider the number of ways tickets can be purchased at the on-sale. Buyers can call the primary agent, go to the venue box office, visit local ticket outlets, or visit the primary seller’s website. Just as there are only so many phone lines that can be answered at once, even Ticketmaster.com and LiveNation.com can handle only so many web users at a time. Buying online doesn’t eliminate the queue. A consumer may believe that a high speed Internet connection and constantly refreshing the web page until tickets go on sale will ensure that he or she is first in the virtual line, but in this Web savvy era, thousands of other fans are doing the exact same thing.

Brokers should not be involved. Consider the number of ways tickets can be purchased at the on-sale??? HUH??? What the hell is the on-sale? Why does ticketmaster exist if brokers get first shot at tickets before the public does? Maybe the Mafia's involved?? Ya think????

It’s this mad dash for tickets that keeps primary sites such as Ticketmaster.com and LiveNation.com at the top of the Primary Sellers chart. Third-ranked Tickets.com should also see increased traffic due to advertisements for one Springsteen show on its site. This week’s other Top Primary Sellers include TicketWeb.com at number four, Etix.com at five, Tix.com at six, Telecharge.com at seven, TicketsWest.com at eight, GrooveTickets.com at nine, and UNLVtickets.com at ten.

There is also the likelihood that tickets for Springsteen will sell out quickly because of consumers buying extra seats. Unlike Kelly Clarkson, for example, Bruce Springsteen is a sure thing, which means that not only are established brokers looking to secure seats, but with the ease and accessibility of auction sites like eBay, novice resellers may also crop up. A Springsteen fan may grab a couple extra tickets in an attempt to make a few easy bucks, or perhaps your average Joe will try to recoup his money after coming off a bad financial decision like buying the iPhone at the original price the week it came out.

Yes, there will undoubtedly be fewer primary tickets available tomorrow than consumers anxiously trying to purchase them, but empty-handed buyers needn’t despair that Springsteen’s devotees will miss out on the shows. The industry giants aren’t hiding the tickets. Whether tickets are bought on the primary market or secondary market, in the end the seats are filled with fans.

To see all the Top Tens rankings, check out the press release in the Daily Buzz section of TicketNews.com. Visit the Industry Resources section of TicketNews.com for full lists of the Top Twenty Secondary Ticket Sellers and the Top Twenty Overall Ticket Sellers, to read an explanation of how we calculate the rankings, or to download the application for inclusion in our rankings.


What a bunch of psychobabble!!!

Hannah Montana, Bruce Springsteen and Van Halen all in the same sentence.

I heard Hannah Montana sold out before Springsteen.

09-10-2007, 12:03 AM
Leak of the Week
9/ 7/0712:30 PM
New Bruce Springsteen Album Leaks — and Even Sean Hannity Might Like It!

Courtesy of Columbia Records
Bruce Springsteen, Magic

Official release date: October 2

It says Courtesy of Columbia Records. I assume they wanted to leak the CD. The BOSS MAN needs all the publicity he can get.

We think: Sounds pretty great to us. Magic is Springsteen's first album with the E Street Band since 2002, and though it doesn't have The Rising's September 11–y thematic kick, the songs are just as solid. Bruce appears to have gotten the politics out of his system on 2005's Devils and Dust and last year's We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions, as "Last to Die" is this album's only overt Bush dig. Even conservatives can probably enjoy "I'll Work for Your Love" and the excellent "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out" rewrite "Livin' in the Future."

You know not of what you speak. Devils and Dust contained no political songs and all of the songs on "We Shall Overcome" were not Springsteens.

If the lyrics are overt, they're not political. If Springsteen doesn't come right out and say it in his lyrics, the song isn't political.

WOW!! Another misinterpretation of a Springsteen political masterpiece such as "Born in the USA."

A republican likes the Magic CD.

Like I said!

Springsteen's so-called political songs are never interpreted correctly because they're not political throughout the lyrics. They contain a catch phrase, perhaps and that's about all.

09-10-2007, 12:06 AM
Please don't forget to go on-line and vote for Springsteen's "Radio Nowhere" as your favorite music video cause the BOSS has to win so his fans feel justified with their obsession.

09-10-2007, 12:10 AM
By Lyle Fitzsimmons, Contributing NFL Editor

(Sports Network) - Ahhh...it must be Week 1 in the NFL.

The time of year when all teams - lowly bottom-feeders and elite trophy contenders alike - are flush with optimism for what might occur over the next four-plus months.

That happy glow has made its way to the seaside paradise of New Jersey, where even the most fatalistic supporters of the New York Jets are positively beaming after a surprise playoff trip in 2006 and the cost-free offseason acquisition of workhorse running back Thomas Jones.

Add in a 3-1 preseason record and a ceremonial ground-breaking at a new Exit 16W stadium site earlier this week, and the happy buzz is nearly enough to drown out disappointment over Garden State hero Bruce Springsteen's latest single - (this belongs on) "Radio Nowhere."

09-10-2007, 12:30 AM
The fanatics think this line from one of the songs on the Magic CD is going to be HUGE:


"Poor me a drink, Teresa,"

..and I'll watch the bones in your back like the stations of the cross...

Oh, yeah.

It's going to change the world.

One poster says, "classic Bruce," cooky lines.

I'll second that.

09-10-2007, 01:04 AM
All of this from MagicintheNight over a thread that a hairdresser started about Scialfa's hair.

He says she has weaves and her personality is bitchy.

OMG!! One poster comments, being married to Bruce, she must be, whatever, tough, strong.

I'll say!

Doesn't sound like a gentle man, does he?


Magicinthenight is very interested in Patti becaue she is a woman who has it all and I find that fascinating and would like that for myself someday. We girls are raised to believe that somethings got to give, but clearly not in this case.

She's married to a pedophile. That's having it all???? She certainly hasn't potrayed herself as a woman with etiquette. Why would you imbelish either one of them? As fans, perhaps you think very poorly of yourselves.

Also as a big R n R fan, I always find it interesting the kind of women my Rock n Roll hero's and end up with. Beatles Wives etc...Patti is v interesting because she is married to the one and only Bruce Springsteen.

Your rock n' roll heros?? Get a life. Try looking for a real hero/role model to to admire. Of course Springsteen is the one and only. What?? Do you think he has a double or something?

Wild Horses comments about her being difficult. Having an Ego. why the surprise? - She is kind of like a Queen - married to one of the most talented and respected artists in the world.

Sorry, Magic, but in your eyes Patti is a Queen. Not to the rest of the world. In your eyes, Springsteen is one of the most talented and respected artists in the world.

Can you imagine what it is like being Mrs. Springsteen?

Let's see. Let me imagine what it might be like to be Mrs. Springsteen. Okay. I imagined it. No big deal. He's a musician, Magic. He is not powerful in any way, shape or form other than the power he has over his fans, you included.

She is an artist herself and has chosen to be a part of his career. I don't agree with that. Its ego driven, like Yoko, out for herself and not for him or HIS audience. Anyone with ears can tell you that she shouldn't be in the E Street band, maybe for a little experimentation in 85 and 88 but certainly not since. She was only hired as a temp?.......Thats what bugs me about her.

No one cares about your opinion as to Scialfa being in the E Street Band.

On a personal level, Springsteen was no doubt thrilled to have found someone who understood him and gave him the security of a family and I bet he has her in the music because he loves her and he knows she wants to perform, as all musicians do.

Listen to this projection. As if Magicinthenight knows Springsteen and Scialfa personally.

After hearing her new album and seeing her on TV, (I said this on another thread) she should have the guts to get out there and play clubs and do her own thing. She has a ready made audience, I have no clue why she doesnt do it. Any performer I know wants to be doing their own stuff. Can anybody here please tell me why she doesnt do that? It makes absolutely no sense to me if she wants to be doing her own stuff so much, why isnt she doing it?? especially when her style is so far removed from that of the ESB?

Play clubs??? She's 53. That's what you do when you're tryin' to make it. Oh, I forgot. She's still tryin' to make it. She doesn't have a ready made audience. If she did, you wouldn't suggest that she play clubs.

She may of course not want to let him go anywhere on his own just in case.....!! (ha ha history has a habit of repeating itself!!) Joke.

The E Street Band has toured about 4 times since they've been married. The rest were solo tours. So Sprinsteen has toured alone alot.

As for Trudie Styler - she is not that accomplished and both her and Sting come from the projects in England and think they are to the manor born. Sting didn't even go to his parents funerals. I think they suck and they are stuck at every stupid party with every stupid designer. I have a lot more respect for the way Bruce and Patti live. You dont see Dylan or any artist worth anything at any of these stupid parties.

Springsteen and Patti don't care whether you respect them or not. They don't conduct themselves looking for respect. They conduct themselves lookin' for disrespect.

As for your comments on the physical. I have a problem with that on a number of levels.
This is what is wrong with society.

For those of you who don't know, there is no such a thing as natural beauty anymore with these celebrities.

There are plenty of natural beauties.

Even A Jolie has had a nose job. Rachel Wiese is the only actress that I think is stunning - or Penelope Cruz that havent been chopped to bits by plastic surgeons. ( Both European if you notice) Gone are the days of Marilyn or Greta Garbo. That's v much an American thing.Even the newsreaders are all the product of much surgery. On the continent, france etc...Women are expected to be a lot more. Barbra S is a good example of a woman who is "more" than beautiful, yet beautiful. Facial beauty lone wouldnt get you anywhere in Europe.

Geez! Why don't you concentrate on yourself?

It must be a nightmare for anyone in the public eye having to face the world when there would be people like Wild Horses watching and waiting. Your comments are way out of line, taking apart her every feature. Disgusting.
Since when is a person a sum of their physical parts? I am so glad I don't live in your world which accounts for .000000001 of the population on a good day.Ugggggh.

He was commenting in response to people who were obviously acting as if Patti Scialfa is a beauty queen. When they know she is not. You know, the sexy, hot, beauty comments over and over again that are just so plastic. When someone is a beauty, you don't need to say it over and over again unless you're tryin' to convince someone else. Like I said, IMO, Patti Scialfa is normal looking.

Yes, I would say there were more than one nose job and there would be a lot of "maintenance" to look like that on your fifties, no question.

Alot of maintenance to look like that in your 50's. Give me a break. She looks like a 50 year old woman.

She aint a beauty in the beauty sense - Julianne was STUNNING, now there's a natural. But I think a lot of the problem here is Patti is not Bruce's equal when it comes to looks. He is beautiful in the guy way that JFK Jr was.

You're comparing Springsteen to JKF, Jr. Get real! That's like when an interviewer compared Scialfa to Aretha Franklin. Who are you sucking up to and why?

Now JFK Jr was married to his equal in beauty. Its always like this when one party is prettier than the other no? Now if Bruce was with Jessica Biel or someone that would be a whole other story. Would that be ok with you, Wild Horses? After all she has nice lips, teeth, hairline,chin, elbow etc..... is 25, nice breasts, ass etc...

Man, you are way to involved with celebrities. You comment Biel has a nice ass and breasts. Aren't you female?

But you know what - he may not be able to hold a conversation wit her for Christ Sakes! Since when is love based on looks alone?

Who is talking about love?????

Honestly your comments about her physical appearence are sickening. I've never seen anything like it in my life and I read all the gossip sites. Unbelievable.

Certainly sounds like you've read all the gossip sites. Your comments are sickening, as well.

09-10-2007, 10:14 AM
Britney Spear's performed at the Video Music Awards.

When you have to sing and dance (in her case, move), in a bra and panties, obviously you don't have talent.

Women like this perform in strip clubs.

That is exactly what Britney's act is and exactly where it belongs.

Do away with the poles!

I'm surprised Kid Rock didn't put some money in her panties.


09-10-2007, 08:17 PM
Okay, so Scialfa, whether true or not, according to someone in the celebrity hair business (BTW, Scialfa is not a celebrity) and who posted at BTX says that when she when in the studio, she asked for privacy while talking to her husband.

A poster responds:

But I have to say that it would make complete sense for her to insist they leave the room while she speaks to her husband. If the tabloids are gunning for your marriage and you want to protect your privacy, you have to be extremely careful in public, even if it annoys other people.

The tabloids are gunning for their marriage? The tabloids could care less about Springsteen or Scialfa. They aired their laundry publicly a long time ago. Everyone knows what they are. They're not the least bit interesting. Do they always have to wear black? Have they ever done an interview together?

In all the years she's been in public life this is the first Diva story that's come out about her (though even here she comes off sounding more like a nervous wreck than a true b----) , so she gets the benefit of the doubt. (Not that I care either way--it's the music that matters.) I'll take this dissing as a sign that her CD is really good--people are getting jealous!

A diva?? You are delusional, pal. Patti Scialfa is far from being a Diva. That's about as ridiculous as one interviewer using her name in the same sentence with Aretha and magicinthenight using Springsteen's name in the same sentence with JFK, Jr.

Oh, yeah, that's why when the Diva's get together, she's always been there. You consider Scialfa's been in public life for many years??? You mean, since she and Springsteen had their public affair? Scialfa is not in public life, pal. She's a back-up singer in a rock n' roll band. You consider people are jealous? Jealous of what? Ask yourself that. You think this because of the dissing she's receiving. By whom? The one poster who started the thread about her hair? Oh, yeah. That's a sure sign her CD is really good.

09-10-2007, 08:42 PM
Like I said, the tabloids aren't interested in Springsteen and Scialfa.

It's his fans who watch his every move.

Here is a comment by a poster who read a thread about Springsteen rehearsing with the E Street Band:

Thanx, ..any little update is BIG news for us...


They are so infatuated, mesmerized by this man that his whereabouts, what he's doing, when they hear one of his songs in a store; at a stadium, if he's spotted having dinner with his wife; if he's at a horse show are reported in "The Promised Land" at BTX.

Only his most obsessed fans care. They are the "tabloid."

That's about what BTX is.

The rest of the public could care less. We have lives that haven't been sucked away from us and more important matters to attend to.

Oh, and I forgot to mention another.

If Springsteen's name appears in print. That's a big one for them.

It's referred to as a "Bruce mention."

Look, look.

Our leader's name is in print!!

It must mean something.

It must mean everyone else worships him like we do.


The Boss has put you in a "deep sleep."

09-11-2007, 08:23 AM
A review from the recent Rolling Stone Magazine of Springsteen's song "Magic."

One poster comments he has a feeling the CD will get a five star rating from the magazine.


You don't understand the role of Rolling Stone Magazine to the music industry and their musicians?

Would you expect Rolling Stone to give Springsteen's CD a negative review?




There's a short but great review of Radio Nowhere:

'The first surprise comes right away, with Springsteen's loudest rhythm guitars ever - crunchy, endless layers of 'em that acknowledge all that's happened in rock since '91 or so. Then you realize what's missing: keyboards, synth-aping violins, and audible Patti. Backed by what sounds like half of the E Streeters, with Little Steven getting all 'Two Hearts' on the harmonies and Max sounding feral on his fills. Springsteen tells a tale of modern American isolation that appears to be a Petty/Young style jab at corporate radio. It's as galvanizing and goose-bump inducing as anything he's recorded in the last couple of decades. And the man is loose enough to spit what may be the Bruce-iest couplet ever: "I was driving thru the misty rain, Searching for a mystery train".


Oh, please.

Crunchy, endless layers of 'em (Springsteen's loudest guitars ever) that acknowledge all that's happened in rock since '91 or so). HUH??? You've got to be kidding. These crunchy guitars acknowledge all that's happened in rock since '91. Oh, yes. That's exactly what people say to themselves when they hear "Radio Nowhere." That song is acknowledging all that's happened in rock since '91. They stretch so far it's embarrassing. The harmonies??? Oh, yeah. Little Steven sure can harmonize. Oh, boy, here we go. In "Radio Nowhere," Springsteen tells a tale of modern American isolation that appears to be a Petty/Young style jab at corporate radio. Yeah, it appears that way to you or they told you what to print. Young says it straight forward. Springsteen is always cryptic/covert, wandering lyrics. No comparison there. Springsteen hasn't written a political song yet.

Grasping at straws to yet put an explanation to another nonsensical song written by Springsteen. It's about as galvanizing as anything he's produced in decades, the writers says. Truly not galvanizing, but certainly Springsteen hasn't produced anything worthy of radio play since the early 80's.


They say the man spits what may be the Bruce-iest couplet ever: Are you kidding me???

"I was driving thru the misty rain, searching for a mystery train."

Oh, yeah. Misty rain and mystery train. The man's been searching for a train since he's been making music.

09-11-2007, 09:03 AM
They're pondering lyrics over at BTX and what they mean in some of Springsteen's new songs on his Magic CD.

In "Long Walk Home," a poster references the following verse:

"Your flag flyin' over the courthouse
Means certain things are set in stone.
Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't"


Not sure if I referenced this same line about a flag flyin' over a courthouse meaning that certain things are set in stone, in another of Springsteen's songs or if it was this song.

Also, could have been a Dylan song.

It's on this thread somewhere.

I remember pointing out how the line was out of context and how the heck does a flag flying over a courthouse indicate that certain things are set in stone. Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't.


Oh, the mystery.

These fanatics are trying desperately to make a connection from one song to the other.

Keeps 'em busy, occupied and concentrating on their hero.

What does it all mean???

They're lookin' for a needle in a haystack.

It's like they're searching for a clue.

A clue to what???

Springsteen places out of context lines in his songs and they start looking for the pieces to the puzzle.


Do they think they're going to fit together all of the pieces to the puzzle he's created for them one day throughout the verses in his songs and suddenly have the complete picture?

Of course not.

This is what keeps them coming back for more.

Picture of what?

Or, better yet, understand what the hell he's singing about?

And, if they do, which they won't, then what?

It's disinformation.

Keeps you guessing.

Keeps stringin' you along.

It's like they're at the scene of a crime lookin' for clues in Springsteen's song.

09-11-2007, 09:12 AM
I have the lyrics to Springsteen's songs on the Magic CD, but since the CD hasn't been released yet, I don't want to print them here or comment yet.

This line from the MAGIC CD which has been released is interesting:

Magic last verse:
Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you feel
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
Bodies hanging in the trees
This is what will be (This is what will be)
This is what will be


A fire down below, but it's coming up here.

Sounds like a line from a Seger song, "she's got the fire down below."

So, leave everything you know.
Carry only what you feel

This is what will be
This is what will be

What will be???

Feeling the fire down below
Leaving everything you know
Carrying only what you feel

Which would be the "fire down below."

09-11-2007, 09:33 AM

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN's wife PATTI SCIALFA got drunk to record one track on her new album PLAY IT AS IT LAYS - so she could conjure up the character she'd created in the song. The rocker knocked back tequila to get in the spirit for Bad For You, which tells the tale of a boozed-up woman courting in a bar. She tells Rolling Stone magazine, "I wanted to get to that person in the song: the girl that's drinking, maybe flirting too much and sending signals she shouldn't be sending. "The recording studio was too sterile for that, so I drank a ton of tequila, smoked a lot of cigarettes and sang it. "I know I sang out of tune, but I liked it." Scialfa admits a lot of the song is about her, revealing it's her response to the song her husband wrote - that she hates. She explains, "On (Springsteen album) Devils + Dust, there's a song about the man in the hotel room with the hooker... "I was like, `What are you writing about that s**t for? Are you f**king crazy?' But that's what led me to write Bad For You. He gave himself license, so I gave myself license to write."

First, the song is a tale about a boozed-up woman courting in a bar. Next, she drank tequila to get to that person in the song: the GIRL, that's drinking, maybe flirting too much and sending signals she shouldn't be sending. Where does she admit a lot of the song is about her? So, she's saying she goes to bars, drinks too much and flirts and sends signals she shouldn't be sending while in the mindset of a GIRL? So, if it's in response to RENO, she's saying that Springsteen often has threesomes that include a hooker and pays $250.00 for up the ar*se?

How is this song a response to Springsteen's RENO song? Sorry, don't see the connection. RENO is about a threesome he's having which includes a hooker. The lyrics to "Bad for You" certainly don't speak to anything he sang about in RENO. The only response to RENO that might be found in Scialfa's song, "Bad for You" might be in that Springsteen often has threesomes that include a hooker and she often goes to bars, drinks herself into the mindset of a girl, flirts and sends signals she shouldn't be sending.

I mean, she did say, why are singing about that sh*t and that he gave himself license.

Springsteen knows what she's writing. He play on her CDs. I'm sure it really bothered him. None of this is even interesting. Why do they have to air their dirty laundry again for the public? Oh, I forgot. This is the only way they get attention.

Excuse me, but Scialfa never said she hated the song, Reno, in the interview.

Read the thread at BTX in "The Promised Land." Some of the comments by posters are quite disgusting.

09-11-2007, 11:02 AM
Oh, goodness, an article in print with a mention of Springsteen:

Treasure of the past awaits repair
California company is making replacement gears for State Museum's carousel so it can be put back into service

By DAN HIGGINS, Staff writer
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First published: Tuesday, September 11, 2007

ALBANY -- They don't make carousels like they used to.

That's why it has taken months to get the horses of the antique merry-go-round at the State Museum galloping again.

The carousel, located on the museum's fourth floor, needs a new ring gear, which is part of the drive mechanism that has turned the contraption for nearly 1 million riders since the State Museum restored it in 2001. The carousel was closed to the public in June after a routine inspection revealed metal shavings in the machinery's grease.

Cliff Siegfried, the museum's director, said a company in California called Brass Ring must make two new gears (one of them a spare) and then send a representative to Albany to install it. The repairs will cost about $35,000 and should be completed by the end of October, Siegfried said.

"This carousel has had more people riding it in the last five years than at any time in its history," he said.

According to the museum's Web site, the carousel was built between 1912 and 1916 by the Herschell-Spillman Company in Tonawanda, near Buffalo.

The gold-painted decorations and original mirrors surround 36 horses, two deer and a couple of donkeys. The carousel also has a revolving bench known as a "love tub," one of the few from that era still intact, Siegfried said.

The carousel also includes its original organ. But it was designed for outdoor carnivals and fairs, so it's too loud to use inside the museum. Staff members play the organ about once a week. The rest of the time, music is provided by a compact disc.

"The curator likes to have period music playing, but sometimes staff members say 'We have to sit here for eight hours a day and listen to the same music.' So you'll occasionally hear Springsteen. And our curator gets annoyed," Siegfried said.

What sets the carousel apart from its modern cousins is that the animals are made of wood instead of molded plastic.

The State Museum bought it from a private owner in 1975 for $20,000. It was dismantled and kept in a storage facility in Rotterdam until a $500,000 restoration made it usable again. Until it was closed in June, visitors could ride the carousel for free, though a box for donations helps defray maintenance costs.

Siegfried said the repair costs for the carousel are considered low, given the amount of money already spent restoring the ride. He said the $35,000 repair bill will probably be spread over several years.

The State Museum, on Madison Avenue across from the Empire State Plaza, is open daily from 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission is free, but donations are accepted.

Dan Higgins can be reached at 454-5523, or by e-mail at dhiggins@times union.com.


I'd have to agree with the curator. Springsteen's music is annoying.

09-11-2007, 11:17 AM
A Springsteen mention By Garrison Keillor:


Literary and Historical Notes:

On this day in 2001 terrorists flew two planes into Twin Towers in New York City, causing both towers to collapse. In the weeks following the attacks, many writers and other artists wondered how to respond to what had happened.

One of the first groups of writers to take action were the reporters for The New York Times, who began writing portraits of the victims in a special section of the paper called "Portraits of Grief." The journalists involved decided that they would try to write portraits of every victim of the attack whose family they could reach. And they decided that the stories would focus on how the victims lived, not how they died.

The portraits were shorter than the average Times obituary, at about 150 words, and they skipped things like college degrees, jobs held, and names of surviving family members. They just tried to capture some detail or anecdote that would express each person's individuality. There was a firefighter who wore size 15 boots; a pastry chef who could eat as many desserts as she wanted without gaining weight; a man who put toothpaste on his wife's toothbrush when he got up before her; and a grandmother who wore pink rhinestone-studded sunglasses and a metallic gold raincoat.

Ultimately, 143 reporters worked on the project, and they managed to write about 1,910 of the 2,749 victims. They would have written about every victim, but some families didn't want to participate or couldn't be found. The portraits were collected in the book Portraits 9/11/01 (2002).

One of the people who read the "Portraits of Grief" was the singer/songwriter Bruce Springsteen, and he noticed how many of the victims of the attacks had loved his music. So he started calling the spouses of the victims on the telephone to express his condolences. One of the people he called said, "I got through Joe's memorial and a good month and a half on that phone call."

Less than a year later Springsteen released his album The Rising (2002), with songs written in response to the attacks, many of the lyrics based on the stories people told him in those phone calls.


I'd really love to read "Portraits of Grief" to see exactly how many relatives of those killed on 911 mentioned that their loved ones loved Springsteen's music.


Springsteen started calling the spouses. Who supplied him with these telephone numbers? He called to express his condolences?? HUH? A musician calls to express his condolences to those who lost loved ones on 911.


Is this why there was a rumor circulating that he had an affair with one of the widows (New Jersey women) of 911?

Did he capitalize on the country's grief and the widow's grief, too???

Does one of them have red hair?

What the heck does this mean? "One of the people Springsteen called said, "I got through Joe's memorial and a good month and a half on that phone call."????

So these people whom the stories are told about in Springsteen's Rising CD gave permission for him to do so. Or, he didn't need that. What stories? City of Ruins was written after 911 so we can count that one out. The songs on The Rising were in response to the attacks?? HUH???

09-11-2007, 11:24 AM
The Rising CD songs and lyrics:

Countin' on a Miracle
Bruce Springsteen

It's a fairytale so tragic
There's no prince to break the spell
I don't believe in the magic
But for you I will, for you I will
If I'm a fool, I'll be a fool
Darlin' for you

I'm countin' on a miracle
Baby I'm countin' on a miracle
Darlin' I'm countin' on miracle
To come through

There ain't no storybook story
There's no never-ending song
Our happily ever after Darlin'
Forever come and gone
I'm movin' on
If I'm gonna believe
I'll put my faith
Darlin' in you

I'm countin' on a miracle
Baby I'm countin' on a miracle
Darlin' I'm countin' on miracle
To come through

Sleeping beauty awakes from her dream
With her lover's kiss on her lips
Your kiss was taken from me
Now all I have is this...

Your kiss, your kiss, your touch, your touch
Your heart, your heart, your strength, your strength
Your hope, your hope, your faith, your faith
Your face, your face, your love, your love
Your dream, your dream, your life, your life

I'm runnin' through the forest
With the wolf at my heels
My king is lost at midnight
When the tower bells peal
We've got no fairytale ending
In God's hands our fate is complete
Your heaven's here in my heart
Our love's this dust beneath my feet
Just this dust beneath my feet
If I'm gonna live
I'll lift my life
Darlin' to you

I'm countin' on a miracle
Baby I'm countin' on a miracle
Darlin' I'm countin' on miracle
To come through


I believe Springsteen covered this song or wrote it with Joe Gursky way before the September 11th attacks.

So far, this discounts two songs as being stories about those who lost loved ones on 911.

Even if he didn't write it before 2001, where is the 911 story here?

He doesn't believe in Magic so why then does he name his song magic and sing about magic?

A fairy-tale so tragic?

911 wasn't a fairy-tale.

Sleeping beauty awakes from her dream.

He's running through the forest wolves at his heels.

09-11-2007, 11:28 AM
The Rising
Nothing Man
Bruce Springsteen

I don't remember how I felt
I never thought I'd live
To read about myself
In my hometown paper
How my brave young life
Was forever changed
I a misty cloud of pink vapor

Darlin' give me your kiss
Only understand
I am, the nothing man

Around here, everybody acts the same
Around here, everybody acts like nothing's changed
Friday night, the club meets at Al's Barbecue
The sky's still, the same unbelievable blue

Darlin' give me your kiss
Come and take my hand
I am, the nothing man

You can call me Joe
Buy me a drink and shake my hand
You want courage
I'll show you courage you can understand
The pearl and silver
Restin' on my night table
It's just me Lord, pray I'm able

Darlin, with this kiss
Say you understand
I am, the nothing man
I am, the nothing man


We can discount another song on The Rising CD as being about 911 and its' victims or their loved ones.

In this song, he's reading about himself in his hometown paper and how his brave young life was changed forever.

Darlin, with this kiss, say you understand, I am the nothing man.


I would have to agree.

You are a NOTHING MAN.

09-11-2007, 11:31 AM
The Rising
The Fuse
Bruce Springsteen

Down at the court house they're ringin' the flag down
Long black line of cars snakin' slow through town
Red sheets snappin' on the line
With this ring will you be mine
The fuse is burning
(Shut out the lights)
The fuse is burning
(Come on let me do you right)

Trees on fire with the first fall's frost
Long black line in front of Holy Cross
Blood moon risin' in a sky of black dust
Tell me baby who do you trust?
The fuse is burning
(Shut out the lights)
The fuse is burning
(Come on let me do you right)

Tires on the highway hissin' something's coming
You can feel the wires in the tree tops bummin'
Devil's on the horizon line
Your kiss and I'm alive

A quiet afternoon, an empty house
On the edge of your bed you slip off your blouse
The room is burning with the noon sun
Your bittersweet taste on my tongue
The fuse is burning
(Shut out the lights)
The fuse is burning
(Come on let me do you right)


Another song we can discount.

"The fuse is burning
(Shut out the lights)
The fuse is burning
(Come on let me do you right)

Devil's on the horizon line
Your kiss and I'm alive

On the edge of your bed you slip off your blouse
The room is burning with the noon sun
Your bittersweet taste on my tongue

I wonder which surviving loved one of the 911 victims he called gave him this story to write?

09-11-2007, 11:34 AM
The Rising
Lonesome Day
Bruce Springsteen

Baby once I thought I knew
Everything I needed to know about you
Your sweet whisper, your tender touch
I didn't really know that much
Joke's on me, it's gonna be okay
If I can just get through this lonesome day
Lonesome day

Hell's brewing, dark sun's on the rise
This storm will blow through, by and by
House is on fire, vipers in the grass
Little revenge and this too shall pass
This too shall pass, darling
Yeah I'm gonna pray
Right now, all I got's this lonesome day
Lonesome Day

It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright

Better ask questions before you shoot
Deceit and betrayal's a bitter fruit
It's hard to swallow come time to pay
That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away
Thy kingdom come, I'm gonna find my way
Yeah, through this lonesome day
Lonesome day
Lonesome day
Lonesome day

It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah
It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah

Lonesome day
Lonesome day
Lonesome day


Another one we can discount.

He's singing to a love interest.

Clearly not a story about a victim or surviving relative of a victim from 911.

"Baby once I thought I knew
Everything I needed to know about you"


09-11-2007, 11:37 AM
The Rising
Waitin' on a Sunny Day
Bruce Springsteen

It's rainin' but there ain't a cloud in the sky
Must of been a tear from your eye
Everything'll be okay
Funny, thought I felt a sweet summer breeze
Must of been you sighin' so deep
Don't worry we're gonna find a way

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Without you, I'm workin' with the rain fallin' down
I'm half a party in a one dog town
I need you to chase these blues away
Without you, I'm a drummer girl that can't keep a beat
An ice cream truck on a deserted street
I hope that you're coming to stay

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Hard times, baby well they come to us all
Sure as the tickin' of the clock on the wall
Sure as the turnin' of the night into day
Your smile girl, brings the mornin' light to my eyes
Lifts away the bleus when I rise
I hope that you're coming to stay

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day


Another song we can discount.

Clearly, he's singing about a love interest.

09-11-2007, 11:39 AM
The Rising
Let's Be Friends
Bruce Springsteen

been watchin' you a long time
Trying to figure out where and when
We been moving down that same line
The time is now maybe we could get skin to skin

Don't know when this chance might come again
Good times got a way of comin' to an end
Don't know when this chance might come again
Good times got a way of slippin' a-way
Let's be friends, baby let's be friends

I know we're different you and me
Get a diffente way of walkin'
The time has come te let the past be history
Yeah, if we could just start talkin'

Don't know when this chance might come again
Good times got a way of comin' to an end
Don't know when this chance might come again
Good times got a way of slippin' a-way
Let's be friends, baby let's be friends

Do, do do doo do do do doo...

There's a lot of talk going `round now
Let'em talk you know you're the only one
There's a lot of walls need tearing down
Together we could take them down one by one


Another song on The Rising CD we can discount.

"There's a lot of talking going 'round now
Let 'em talk you know you're the only one
There's a lot of walls need tearing down
Together we could take them down one by one"

Who is this man singing to?

Clearly, he was married when these songs were released?

How many women/little girls does he have in his life?


09-11-2007, 11:41 AM
The Rising
Further On (Up the Road)
Bruce Springsteen

Where the road is dark
and the seat is soaked
where the gun is cocked
and the bullet's cold
where the miles are marked in blood and gold
I'll meet you further on up the road

Got on my dead man's suit
and my smilin' skull ring
my lucky graveyard boots
and a song to sing
I got a song to sing, keep me out of the cold
and I'll meet you further on up the road

Further on up the road
further on up the road
where the way is dark
and the night is cold
but one sunny morning we'll rise, I know
and I'll meet you further on up the road

Well I been out in the desert
was doin' my time
searching through the dust
looking for a sign
if there's a light up ahead
well, buddy, I don't know
but I got this fever
burning in my soul
so let's take the good times as they come
and I'll meet you further on up the road

Further on up the road
further on up the road
where the way is dark
and the night is cold
one sunny morning we'll rise, I know
and I'll meet you further on up the road
one sunny morning we'll rise, I know
and I'll meet you further on up the road
yeah I'll meet you further on up the road
well I'll meet you further on up the road


Another song we can discount as having anything to do with 911.

Doesn't Springsteen also refer to his smilin' skull ring on a song in "Devils and Dust?"

09-11-2007, 11:49 AM
The Rising
Bruce Springsteen

Can't see nothin' in front of me
Can't see nothin' coming up behind
I make my way through this darkness
I can't feel nothing but this chain that binds me
Lost track of how far I've gone
How far I've gone, how high I've climbed
On my back's a sixty pound stone
On my shoulder a half mile of line

Come on up for the rising
Come on up, lay your hands in mine
Come on up for the rising
Come on up for the rising tonight

Left the house this morning
Bells ringing filled the air
Wearin' the cross of my calling
On wheels of fire I come rollin' down here

Come on up for the rising
Come on up, lay your hands in mine
Come on up for the rising
Come on up for the rising tonight

Li,li, li,li,li,li, li,li,li

There's spirits above and behind me
Faces gone black, eyes burnin' bright
May their precious blood bind me
Lord, as I stand before your fiery light

Li,li, li,li,li,li, li,li,li

I see you Mary in the garden
In the garden of a thousand sighs
There's holy pictures of our children
Dancin' in a sky filled with light
May I feel your arms around me
May I feel your blood mix with mine
A dream of life comes to me
Like a catfish dancin' on the end of my line

Sky of blackness and sorrow ( a dream of life)
Sky of love, sky of tears (a dream of life)
Sky of glory and sadness ( a dream of life)
Sky of mercy, sky of fear ( a dream of life)
Sky of memory and shadow ( a dream of life)
Your burnin' wind fills my arms tonight
Sky of longing and emptiness (a dream of life)
Sky of fullness, sky of blessed life

Come on up for the rising
Come on up, lay your hands in mine
Come on up for the rising
Come on up for the rising tonight


It's amazing how many times Springsteen references dark holes and darkness in not just the songs on The Rising CD, but throughout all of his songs.

Most current line is in "Radio Nowhere."

Dancin' in a dark hole.

This song could be about a firefighter, but not a victim or about a loved one of someone who died in the tower.

Don't get the line:

"Come on up for the Rising."


"May your blood mix with mine."

What Rising?

09-11-2007, 11:55 AM
The Rising
Into the Fire
Bruce Springsteen

The sky was falling and streaked with blood
I heard you calling me, then you disappeared into the dust
Up the stairs, into the fire
Up the stairs, into the fire
I need your kiss, but love and duty called you someplace higher
Somewhere up the stairs, into the fire

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

You gave your love to see, in fields of red and autumn brown
You gave your love to me and lay your young body down
Up the stairs, into the fire
Up the stairs, into the fire
I need you near, but love and duty called you someplace higher
Somewhere up the stairs, into the fire

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

It was dark, too dark to see, you held me in the light you gave
You lay your hand on me
Then walked into the darkness of your smoky grave
Up the stairs, into the fire
Up the stairs, into the fire
I need your kiss, but love and duty called you someplace higher
Somewhere up the stairs, into the fire

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your strength give us strength
May your faith give us faith
May your hope give us hope
May your love give us love

May your love bring us love


This sounds like another song about a firefighter and a poor one at that.

I don't think the CD really moved many people.

Probably because he's capitalizing on the grief of such a traumatic event.

I guess the Grammys has to recognize Springsteen to keep him going and feeling like he's all that he thinks he is.

Saw him and the E Street Band perform it at the Grammy's and it was very lethargic.

Well, insofar, it seems that the publicity the album received was about 911, but I only see two songs at this point with any reference to 911 and they seem to be about firefighters.

09-11-2007, 11:59 AM
The Rising
World's Apart
Bruce Springsteen

I hold you in my arms, that's when it starts
I seek faith in you kiss, and comfort in your heart
I taste the seed upon your lips, lay my tongue upon your scars
But when I look into your eyes, we stand worlds apart

Where the distant oceans sing, and rise to the plain
In this dry and troubled country your beauty remains
Down from the mountain roads where the highway rolls to dark
'Neath Allah's blessed rain, we remain worlds apart

Sometimes the truth just ain't enough
Or it's too much in times like this
Let's throw the truth away, we'll find it in this kiss
In your skin upon my skin, in the beating of our hearts
May the living let us in, before the dead tear us apart

We'll let blood build a bridge, over mountains draped in stars
I'll meet you on the ridge, between these worlds apart
We've got this moment now to live, then it's all dust dust and dark
Let love give what it gives
Let's let love give what it gives


No clue.

But, more blood reference. "We'll let blood build a bridge.

"We've got this moment now to live, then it's all dust dust and dark."

As usual, dusty, misty, dark.

"May the living let us in, before the dead tear us apart."


"Let's throw the truth away and we'll find it in this kiss."


Have to discount this one, too, as having any reference to 911 victims/and or loved one's of the victims.

09-11-2007, 12:12 PM
The Rising
You're Missing
Bruce Springsteen

Shirts in the closet, shoes in the hall
Mama's in the kitchen, baby and all
Everything is everything
Everything is everything
But you're missing

Coffee cups on the counter, jackets on the chair
Papers on the doorstep, but you're not there
Everything is everything
Everything is everything
But you're missing

Pictures on the nightstand, TV's on in the den
Your house is waiting, your house is waiting
For you to walk in, for you to walk in
But you're missing, when I shut out the lights
You're missing, when I close my eyes
You're missing, when I see the sun rise
You're missing

Children are asking if it's alright
Will you be in our arms tonight?

Morning is morning, the evening falls I got
Too much room in my bed, to many phone calls
How's everything, everything?
Everything, everything
You're missing, you're missing

God's drifting in heaven, devil's in the mailbox
I got dust on my shoes, nothing but teardrops


Did the victim's loved one whose story this is tell Springsteen to include:

"God's drifting in heaven, devil's in the mailbox."

"I got DUST on my shoes, nothing but teardrops."

Springsteen says Mama's in the kitchen, so who is talking?

Oh, he's the narrator.

The husband is missing.

Does it have relevance to 911?

Quite possibly!

So, this makes ONE so far.

I can't put my finger on what these songs lack on The Rising album, but they just lack.

If this song is a victim/loving survivor's story, it just seems in poor taste.

Capitalizing on someone else's grief.

The song isn't even moving.

09-11-2007, 12:20 PM
The Rising
Bruce Springsteen

Where the river runs black
I take the schoolbooks from your pack
Plastics, wire and your kiss
The breath of eternity on your lips

In the crowded marketplace
I drift from face to face
I hold my breath and close my eyes
I hold my breath and close my eyes
And I wait for paradise
And I wait for paradise

The Virginia hills have gone to brown
Another day another sun going down
I visit you in another dream
I visit you in another dream

I reach and feel your hair
Your smell lingers in the air
I brush your cheek with my fingertips
I taste the void upon your lips
And I wait for paradise
And I wait for paradise

I search for you on the other side
Where the river runs clean and wide
Up to my heart the waters rise
Up to my heart the waters rise

I sink `neath the water cool and clear
Drifting down, I disappear
I see you on the other side
I search for the peace in your eyes
But they're as empty as paradise
They're as empty as paradise
I break above the waves
I feel the sun upon my face


Have you yet seen a story from a victim and/or loved one of a victim of 911 in any of these songs?

Like I said, Missing, perhaps. But, is Missing really a story of a victim and/or survivor of a loved one of 911?

Just basically, the same theme in Missing and Paradise.

Loved one's lost.

09-11-2007, 12:35 PM
Empty Sky
Bruce Springsteen

I woke up this morning
I could barely breathe
Just an empty impression
In the bed there you used to be
I want a kiss from your lips
I want an eye for an eye
I woke up this morning to an empty sky

Empty sky, empty sky
I woke up this morning to an empty sky
Empty sky, empty sky
I woke up this morning to an empty sky

Blood on the streets
Blood flowin' down
I hear the blood of my blood
Cryin' from the ground

Empty sky, empty sky
I woke up this morning to an empty sky
Empty sky, empty sky
I woke up this morning to an empty sky

On the plains of Jordan
I cut my bow from the wood
Of this tree of evil
Of this tree of good
I want a kiss from your lips
I want an eye for an eye
I woke up this morning to the empty sky


More blood.

Blood on the streets
Blood flowin' down
I hear the blood of my blood
Cryin' from the ground

Could be another song about a "missing" 911 victim.

However, like I said, they don't really appear to be "stories," just references to loved one's being missing.

Just such poor taste.

Capitalizing on tragedy by writing three or four songs with slight references to those who perished in the towers and publicizing it as such.

I cannot believe Springsteen called "loved ones" to express his condolences and from his "interviews" these are the three songs thus far that reflect his conversations.

That victims of 911 were missing from other people's lives.

How full of yourself must you be to have the audacity to have called up the spouses of some of the victims?

Pretty full!!

09-11-2007, 12:40 PM
Mary's Place
Bruce Springsteen

I got seven pictures of Buddha
The prophet's on my tongue
Eleven angels of mercy
Sighin' over that black hole in the sun
My heart's dark but it's risin'
I'm pullin' all the faith I can see
From that black hole on the horizon
I hear your voice calling me

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do we get this thing started
Meet me at Mary's place

Familiar faces around me
Laughter fills the air
Your loving grace surrounds me
Everybody's here
Furniture's out on the front porch
Music's up loud
I dream of you in my arms
I lose myself in the crowd

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do you live broken-hearted
Meet me at Mary's place

I got a picture of you in my locket
I keep it close to my heart
It's a light shining in my breast
Leading me through the dark

Seven days, seven candles
In my window lighting your way
Your favorite record's on the turntable
I drop the needle and pray (Turn it up)
Band's countin' out midnight (Turn it up)
Floor's rumblin' loud (Turn it up)
Singer's callin' up daylight (Turn it up)
And waitin' for that shout from the crowd
(Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd

Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up
Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up, turn it up

Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do we get this thing started
Meet me at Mary's place

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain


How could this be about a victim of 911 or the story of a loved one of a victim of 911.

He sings, "Meet me at Mary's Place, we're gonna have a party."

Yet another black hole on the horizon.

Black hole in the sun.

My heart's dark.

Leading me through the dark.

So, two possibly about firefighters and not victims/or the loved one's of victims and three about people who are mising.

The CD contained 15 songs.

09-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Before CD are on sale, they are usually leaked to the internet.

Whether this is for publicity because music is easy to come by these days for free via the internet, I don't know.

One would have to think so regarding poor sales in the music industry.

One poster at BTX says that Sony should have protected Springsteen's "intellectual property." This is how he refers to the Magic CD.

Another poster comments that Springsteen is on the hook for 100 million dollars.

I think that was for over a ten year period which would, of course, calculate to ten million every year.

You know, a rich man in poor man's clothes does have to support his lifestyle.

However, that said. Again, Springsteen has to work for this money.

As I've stated, I'm certain they didn't give him a contract without any "conditions." Such as, if your album and venue sales do not exceed, fall short. Something to that effect.

These people don't understand that they own Springsteen. He works for the music mobsters and they don't give their money away.

Springsteen had a reunion tour with the E Street Band in 99.

Don't know how long that one lasted or if he didn't anything solo in between, but he toured again for The Rising with the E Street Band in 2002 until 2003.

In 2005, Devils and Dust. In 2006, Seeger Sessions Band and now the upcoming Magic tour in 2007.

He has to be as versatile as he can in order to fulfill his contract.

One poster states that Springsteen raked it in with Devils and Dust.

I don't know what the album sales were, but I highly doubt that.

He played small venues, as well.

09-11-2007, 05:11 PM
A verse from "Mary's Place"

Seven days, seven candles
In my window lighting your way
Your favorite record's on the turntable
I drop the needle and pray (Turn it up)
Band's countin' out midnight (Turn it up)
Floor's rumblin' loud (Turn it up)
Singer's callin' up daylight (Turn it up)
And waitin' for that shout from the crowd
(Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd (Turn it up)
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd


So did Springsteen speak to the loved one of a victim of 911 and he/she said that they have seven days, seven candles in their window lighting their loved one's way.

If they died in the tower, why does it seem they're lighting this person's way home. Waiting for this person to come home.

In the song missing, the kids are asking if their father, I suppose is coming home.

Did this person say their having a party at Mary's Place and he/she put his/her loved one's favorite record on the turntable?

This CD (The Rising) is beginning to take on a morbid feeling.

Writing lyrics (supposedly stories) about people who died in the towers including firefighters and profiting from it.

Calling some of the victims and offering his condolences.

I don't know about you, but it's just somewhat creepy.

09-11-2007, 07:56 PM
Here is a link to yet another Bruce Springsteen myspace page.


In his personal profile, it says that Bruce Springsteen has 3,700 plus friends.

How old is this man?


I think there was a post by a fan who said he/she has been listening since they were ten.

I'm thinking, maybe Springsteen's music should have had "parental warning labels" on them before they were invented.


09-11-2007, 08:10 PM
A poster at BTX wonders:

If Springsteen didn't have money would the women (men, too) find him sexy.

He believes no.

I wonder to myself.

Do his fans actually think they have a shot at being with him?

Well, they're in a dream-state so they might think anything is possible.

The poster says:

Short, bad teeth, bad hair.

$$$$$$$/ power/ talent is the aphrodisiac.

I am looking at these Magic pics. Come on.


Actually, the aphrodisiac isn't the dollars, talent or power, it's the spell Springsteen has his fans under and the "sexual" programming he has instilled in them.

They're in a dream-like state.

Like children, they're infatuated.

They're also in a a trance-like state so the little talent he has is magnified.

As far as power, he has power over them so they interpret this to mean that he is powerful in other ways.

They're in an "altered state of consciousness" and their suggestibility is very high.

They read his lyrics and try to find meaning in something that doesn't have any meaning, but their heightened state of suggestibility sends their minds "imagining."

The only power Springsteen has is over his brainwashed fans.

09-11-2007, 08:12 PM
I've been looking for the video of Scialfa's appearance on "The View" and I can't find it.

Maybe it was so embarrassing, Springsteen and Scialfa had it pulled.

09-11-2007, 10:06 PM
This is a perfect example of the state of suggestibility that Springsteen's fanatics suffer from.

They are truly desperate to find meaning in his meaningless/cryptic/non-sensical songs.

THERE'S NO SUBSTANCE, so they use their very vivid imaginations to conjur up a theme instead of just saying, "this song makes no sense!"

One poster ascertains this interpretation from the song "Radio Nowhere."

From track one Radio Nowhere to the last 'real' track Devils Arcade I find this a very, very political album. It suprised me in this regard. Its a deep record.

Radio Nowhere to me sounds like it "could" be interpreted as Bruce's take on the current state of radio. But I think it's deeper...I don't think that's his message. To me, it's a soldier in Iraq, or Afghanistan, sitting in hiss barracks, in a foxhole, in a humvee, looking for his way home, a connection with someone else in the battlefield, someone else....anywhere. Why am I here?

Your Own Worst Enemy, You'll be Coming Down I can interpret as someone who's paying for or going to pay for what they've done/witnessed. Gypsy Biker is surely about a returned serviceman and his battles to survive now he's home. All three are linked like that to me.

Magic, trite at first listen is obviously a statement re the freedom of the press, and the price we are all paying and to continue to pay for simply beleiving what we're all being drip fed by CNN, Fox etc...by way of the White House press room?

Last to Die and Long Walk Home (the latter a bonafide classic) are similarly re the battlefield (real or aftermath - the battle at home for the hearts and souls of our people as they respond to our servicemen and women as they come home, settle down)...My Hometown

Yep, for me his most political, social album, in total, since Nebraska. The only 'light' in it, Girls in their Summer Clothes.

Now to me, it's sensational. I adore it all apart from the clumsiness of Gypsy Biker and the 'try-too-hard' feel of Living in the Future...and certain times it sounds like Bruce is 'struggling' to sing...wheezing?

The churchbells at the fade out of Your Own Worst Enemy (the last 2-3 secs - played loud - you can just hear 'em!) remind me of Walk Like a Man...

I am surprised with his (Bruce's) continued use of the words gun, bodies, worms.....it's pretty graphic.

And on Living in the Future......DOES the BARREL of a pistol spin....or the chamber???? Lyrically wrong I think...

Anyway, my first post, and my take on the album, for what it's worth...it's fantastic.


I've read the lyrics to the song Magic and if memory serves me correctly, it's about Magic.

These fanatics drive themselves crazy trying to place important meanings/interpretations on Springsteen's songs.

They just can't face the fact that if you have to struggle to understand a song; make sense out of it, look for clues, hidden messages, it truly doesn't have any meaning; which, is usually the case with Springsteen's songs.

09-11-2007, 10:25 PM
A poster at BTX interprets the song Magic as follows:

Magic, trite at first listen is obviously a statement re the freedom of the press, and the price we are all paying and to continue to pay for simply beleiving what we're all being drip fed by CNN, Fox etc...by way of the White House press room?


Bruce Springsteen

I got a coin in your palm
I can make it disappear
I got a card up my sleeve
Name it and I'll pull it out your ear
I got a rabbit in the hat
If you wanna come and see
This is what will be
This is what will be

I got shackles on my wrists
Soon I'll slip and I'll be gone
Chain me in a box in the river
And rising in the sun
Trust none of what you hear
And less of what you see
This is what will be (This is what will be)
This is what will be


(I'll cut you in half)

I got a shiny saw blade (a shiny saw blade)
All I need's a volunteer
I'll cut you in half
While you're smilin' ear to ear
And the freedom that your songs
Driftin' like a ghost amongst the trees
This is what will be
This is what will be (This is what will be)

Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you feel
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
Bodies hanging in the trees
This is what will be (This is what will be)
This is what will be


Oh, yeah. Just like he interpreted.

Nice imagery, isn't it:

"I'll cut you in half
While you're smilin' ear to ear"

This poster says "simply believing that we're being drip fed by CNN, etc."

You're being drip fed by Springsteen.

09-11-2007, 10:30 PM
The poster's interpretation of "Radio Nowhere."

Radio Nowhere to me sounds like it "could" be interpreted as Bruce's take on the current state of radio. But I think it's deeper...I don't think that's his message. To me, it's a soldier in Iraq, or Afghanistan, sitting in hiss barracks, in a foxhole, in a humvee, looking for his way home, a connection with someone else in the battlefield, someone else....anywhere. Why am I here?

Radio Nowhere
Bruce Springsteen

I was tryin' to find my way home
But all I heard was a drone
Bouncing off a satellite
Crushin' the last lone American night

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?

I was spinnin' 'round a dead dial
Just another lost number in a file
Dancin' down a dark hole
Just searchin' for a world with some soul

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?

I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm

I want a thousand guitars
I want pounding drums
I want a million different voices speaking in tongues

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?


I was driving through the misty rain
Yeah searchin' for a mystery train
Boppin' through the wild blue
Tryin' to make a connection with you

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?

I just want to feel some rhythm
I just want to feel some rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm
I just want to feel your rhythm


Oh, yeah. A soldier always bops through the wild blue in Iraq tryin' to make a connection with you.

This poster says he thinks that the Radio Nowhere lyrics are deeper than a reference to the state of radio.

Yeah. He thinks the MESSAGE is deeper.

Yep. Keep searchin' for those messages in Springsteen's lyrics, pal.

Waste your life away.

09-11-2007, 10:38 PM
The poster continues with his interpretation of other songs on the Magic CD.

Your Own Worst Enemy, You'll be Coming Down I can interpret as someone who's paying for or going to pay for what they've done/witnessed. Gypsy Biker is surely about a returned serviceman and his battles to survive now he's home. All three are linked like that to me.

Your Own Worst Enemy
Bruce Springsteen

You can't sleep at night
You can't dream your dream
Your fingerprints on file
Left clumsily at the scene

Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come to town

Yesterday the people were at ease
Baby you slept in peace
You closed your eyes and saw her
You knew who you were

And your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come
Your world keeps turning round and round
But everything is upside down
Your own worst enemy has come to town

There's a face you know
Staring back from the shop window
The condition you're in
Now you just can't get out of this skin

Ah ah ah
Ah ah ah
Ah ah ah

The times are not too clear
So you moved over here
Once the family felt secure
Now no one's very sure

Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy's come
Everything is falling down
Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come
Everything is falling down
Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your flag it flew so high
It drifted into the sky


Another non-sensical song.

But, hey, if this poster interprets it as someone who is going to be paying for what he's done, he may just have hit the nail on the head.

I'm sure he'll be very surprised at the one who will "pay the price."

What the hell does this verse mean?


Yesterday the people were at ease
Baby you slept in peace
You closed your eyes and saw her
You knew who you were

Don't have a clue and don't want one either.


You'll Be Comin' Down
Bruce Springsteen

White roses and misty blue eyes
Red mornings and nothing but grey skies
A cup of coffee, your heart shot clean through
Jacket you bought me gone daisy grey-blue
You're smilin' now but you'll find out
They'll use you up and spit you out now
Your head's spinnin' in diamonds and clouds
But pretty soon it turns out

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be comin' down
What goes around it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

Easy street and quick buck and true lies
Smile's as sad as those dusky blue skies
A silver plate of pearls my golden child
It's all yours at least for a little while
You'll be fine long as your pretty face holds out
Then it's gonna get pretty cold out
Endless streams of stars shootin' by
You got your hopes on high

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be comin' down
What goes around it comes around and
You'll be comin' down
For a while you'll go sparkling by
Just another pretty thing on high

[Sax solo]

Like a thief on a Sunday morning
It all falls apart with no warning
Satin sky's gone candy-apple green
The crushed metal of your little flyin' machine

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be comin' down
What goes around it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be comin' down
What goes around it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

Another non-sensical song. But if the poster interprets it as someone who will be paying the price for something they've done, I won't argue with that.

Like I said, he will be surprised/shocked at whom that person is.

09-11-2007, 10:45 PM
The poster's interpretation of "Gypsy Biker."

Gypsy Biker is surely about a returned serviceman and his battles to survive now he's home. All three are linked like that to me.

So far, I haven't read the lyrics to one song on the Magic CD that make any sense.

Gypsy Biker
Bruce Springsteen

The speculators made their money on the blood you shed
Your momma's pulled the sheets up off your bed
Profiteers on Jhames Street sold your shoes and clothes
Ain't nobody talkin' because everybody knows
We pulled your cycle up back the garage and polished up the chrome*
Our gypsy biker coming home

Sister Mary says "wear your colors, now Johnny's drunk and gone
This old town's been rousted, which side you on?"
They would march up over the hill, this old fools parade
Shouting victory for the righteous for you must hear the grace
Ain't nobody talkin', but just waiting on the phone
Gypsy biker coming home


[Guitar solo]

We ran into the foothills
A buddy brought the gasoline
We stood around the circle, she left with her wheels
The spring hot desert wind rushed down and saw the way back home

[Harmonica bridge]

Till you're dead, and it don't matter much
'Bout who's wrong or right
You asked me a question, I didn't get it right
You slipped into your darkness
Now all that remains
Is my love for you brother
Life's still unchanged
To them that threw you away
You ain't nothing but gone
My gypsy biker coming home

And now I'm out countin' white lines
Countin' white lines and getting stoned
My gypsy biker coming home


[Sax solo]

La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la


Yep! You got it. Surely about a returned serviceman and his battles to survive now that he's home.


How 'bout his battle to survive in the war?

09-11-2007, 10:52 PM
Last to Die
Bruce Springsteen

Album's version
We took the highway till the road went black
We marked Truth Or Consequences on our map*
A voice drifted up from the radio
We saw the voice from long ago

Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake

The kids asleep in the backseat
We're just countin' the miles you and me
We don't measure the blood we've drawn anymore
We just stack the bodies outside the door

Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake

The wise men were all fools
What to do

The sun sets in flames as the city burns
Another day gone down as the night turns
And I hold you here in my heart
As things fall apart

A downtown window flushed with light
Faces of the dead at five (faces of the dead at five)
A martyr's silent eyes
Petition the drivers as we pass by

Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die

Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Darlin' your tyrants and kings form the same fate
Strung up at your city gates
And you're the last to die for a mistake


This is frightening.

A poster at BTX asks this question about his interpretation of "Last to Die."

What do you think is the best interpretation of this line in the song "Last to Die"?

"kids asleep in the backseat."

a) the top priority for parents in this country is simply taking care of their kids. if they can achieve that, then everything else is gravy;

b) the younger generation has been completely asleep in protesting the Iraq war.

09-11-2007, 10:55 PM
Springsteen is 58 years old, but remember, his fans are in child-like states.

This is pathetic!

Bruce Springsteen's new album Magic hits stores and online on October 2nd, but you can pre-order your copy of the CD at SonyMusicStore.com now. Plus for a LIMITED TIME and WHILE SUPPLIES LAST you'll get a collectible Magic Lyric Booklet as a FREE GIFT with your pre-order. It's a must-have for any Springsteen fan and a great companion to the Magic album.

You can order Magic as well as all of Bruce Springsteen's catalog here. Hurry and pre-order your copy today.




Aren't lyrics usually included?

Oh, please.

It's collectible!

09-12-2007, 01:26 PM
As far as Springsteen's MTV PLUGGED CD, he couldn't perform it acoustic, so it was PLUGGED instead of UNPLUGGED.

MTV has never produced a PLUGGED CD for this show except for Springsteen's

Springsteen decided to change the format of the show, one poster says, so he obviously went for the "lets use this show as an opportunity to plug some of my weakest songs" approach.... it didnt pay off.


Sorry, but Springsteen didn't have the power to change the format of the show.

HE COULDN'T PEFORM UNPLUGGED and therefore, he performed PLUGGED.

Oh, yeah, Springsteen didn't want a successful performance on MTV UNPLUGGED, so he decided to be the only musician ever to perform PLUGGED and play some of his weakest songs to promote them.


Your hero failed that time.

How many times has he forgotten lines, etc.?

You see Springsteen as someone who can do no wrong when the fact is that he has always done wrong and will continue to do so.

That's who he is.

09-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Yeah, well, Mr. and Mrs. Springsteen and the boys and girls are rehearsing down in Asbury Park and the BTXers are being updated by the spies EVERY DAY they rehearse.

One poster reports that it was a beautiful day, 30 or so people around, he heard Bruce's VOCALS. Imagine that!

He actually heard Bruce's vocals.


Posters are asking for a SETLIST!!

One poster asked if he heard them rehearse Empty Sky and the spy replied, oh, yeah, and it sounds like he picked up the TEMPO!!!

He said that he wished there was more to report.


What else do you think there would be to report?

You reported it.

Very boring.

A band rehearsing.

Did you think Springsteen was going to walk across the Atlantic Ocean??

Part the waters???

Do something magnificent or heroic???

09-13-2007, 12:47 PM
I was thinking back during the time I was on Springsteen's official site and, to a certain degree, having regained complete control of my core, Mr. Mercury, whomever that may be, someone who never posted a picture or used his real name but was referred to as Maynard by CRT, replied in a comment to me, "how's it hangin'?"

At this point, you can imagine, after being jerked around, I was angry and I replied something like, "don't talk to me."

He wondered why I said that and I don't remember the rest of the exchange, but his last comment was:

"Ah, but you no I love you dear."

That comment only sought to angry me even more.


You've got to be kidding.

ABUSE would be more like it.

An anonymous poster on Springsteen's site loved me??

Mr. Mercury posted "sexual programming" triggers; commented that help was on the way when I was about out the door; a phrase John Kerry used, too, during his campaign and posted lyrics that were double-bind when I felt suicidal.

So, who was posting comments to me using Mr. Mercury's user name?

09-13-2007, 12:55 PM
One poster at BTX thinks the song, "Long Walk Home" has the juice to carry the banner for the next three decades such as he believes the song "The Promised Land" has.

The next three decades?


Is Springsteen going to be singing and performing from his grave?

A rocking chair maybe?

Or you predict it'll be blasting all over the radio for decades to come.

I sincerely doubt it.

But, carry on in your dream state.

We know you like it there.

As it is now, I assume since Springsteen signed a ten year deal, he'll be performing until he's 68???

Oh, that'll be a sight worth paying to see.

But, I truly doubt that he'll be working on the stage.

Maybe on the side of the road.

09-13-2007, 01:02 PM
Springsteen relishes in making his personal life a public affair for his fans.

The entire "Tunnel of Love" tour was nothing less than a soap-opera.

His fans can't stop watching him.

What will he do next?

Notice how I say his fans.

The rest of the world could care less.

Anyway, I remember posting a verse from "Terry's Song" and it included a line something like:

"we can rebuild the towers...
but when they built you they broke the mold"

I commented on how pathetic that line was.


As if those who died in the towers were less important than the towers themselves.

As if a song about his friend should include a line about the 911?

What is this man thinking?

Who knows!

Anyway, maybe they took my advice and changed the verse, because the current lyrics don't seem to have this line included.

I think I'm going to cease and desist from giving free advice to the "musical industrial complex."

09-13-2007, 02:25 PM
Springsteen's music is so important in this poster's life that he states the following:

Regarding Springsteen's song, "Thundercrack:"

It has never done as much for me as Rosalita or Kitty's Back, but I can see where you're coming from. I would definitely not mind it being a tour regular. In fact one of the nice things about the new album is how well the material of the first two albums or material from that time period would fit right next to it. I think I would be ready to die and go to heaven if I get to see him do NYC Serenade. And I'm not joking either.


What exactly does the song ROSALITA or KITTY's BACK do for you?

Just curious.



Notice how Rosalita and Kitty's Back are mentioned in his comment.

Kitty's Back is probably a song that only a few of his hard core fans like.

It's a loser!

09-13-2007, 02:27 PM
Oh, my, one poster isn't sure but there is EVIDENCE that a BOB DYLAN album will be out in 2008/2009.


Dylan rarely releases music, right???

How exciting.

09-13-2007, 02:43 PM
How pathetic is this?

As if he doesn't have a vested interest in promoting the album.

Do they fans actually buy into this hype?


September 15, 2007



It was actually fun last week to see the reaction to the first track of the new Bruce Springsteen & the E-Street Band** album.

Obviously, he understands that the leak was intentional.

I witnessed something I thought I'd never see again in our business.


You witnessed enthusiasm where? On the BTX boards? Maybe you thought you'd never witness enthusiasm for Springsteen again, because certainly you can't say that everyone in the world had lost their enthusiasm for other artists and music completely until Springsteen leaked the Magic album.

Now certainly part of the reaction is due to the fact that the record happens to be -- and I say this without a hint of objectivity -- great. Still, it was nice to see everyone awaken from the collective coma we like to call the contemporary music scene.

You say this without objectivity. Oh, please. Little Steven is saying that EVERYONE was in a collective coma until the Magic CD was leaked. Unbelievable. Don't they realize how stupid they sound? Apparently not because they continue to babble.

But what it's really all about is: This is it.

Radio knows it. Retail knows it: This is it.

This is the first track of what will be the last great rock'n'roll album.

"Radio Nowhere" is the first track of what will be the last great rock 'n' roll album, he says. Oh, my goodness, they are so full of themselves, aren't they? Pathetic when you have to hype your own material.

And when I say last, I mean the last album to be heard, marketed, sold and delivered the old-school way.

It was delivered the old school way?? Now, he's really stepping in it. It was delivered via the Internet.

On the radio; on a disc; in a store; and performed by a band that played on the record and comes to your city and plays it live onstage.

Oh, boy, this is it. The end of rock 'n' roll. Springsteen will never again, after this tour, perform in your city, on the radio, on a disc, in a store. This is it folks, the end of Springsteen.

Rise to the occasion, my beloved old-school brothers and sisters, because this is it.

What occasion??

Soon all new sound will come to us in videogames, advertisements, movies, prepackaged pods, breakfast cereal, car horns or downloaded to the chip in our head.

So, what? Does Little Steven have an in with the NWO???

It will be created by computers and performed by motion-capture animation to be enjoyed on plasma-screen milk cartons, video eyeglasses or your optical bracelet between subway stops.

Rock 'n' Roll, music as we know it, ends with Springsteen's newest CD, "Radio Nowhere." Unbelievable. The future of Rock 'n' Roll seems to now be the end of Rock 'n' Roll. Albeit, he certainly hasn't been much of anything since the mid-80's.

Yes, Prince giving away his album at concerts and with newspapers is the future.

He is a futuristic kind of guy.

We are not.

We are old school.

You're old school and you won't be doing what Prince does, but you say this is it, the end of music as we know it?? I think you're confused.

Just like our friends at radio stations and retail stores.

You have friends at retail stores???

And together we're going to remind everyone, one last time, how the music business got built.

How are you going to remind everyone? Who is everyone? The public? Certainly, you should be addressing your comments to the music mobsters who own you. As if the public has anything to do with how the music industry is controlled and how it was built.

And why.

See you on the radio.

Thank goodness for The E Street Band. Without them, I don't know what we would all do. They're saving us one by one.

LOAD-DATE: September 12, 2007

09-13-2007, 02:46 PM
They Eagles haven't produced a CD in 30 years, but their new one hasn't leaked yet.

GEE, maybe they guard their "intelligent material" and don't leak it intentionally like the Springsteen camp.

I have a question.

Why is it Jon Landau and O'Brien speak for Springsteen?

Are they his "press secretaries?"

09-13-2007, 04:25 PM


September 12, 2007 -- Music publishers have quietly stepped up their efforts to shut down popular Web sites that publish lyrics to songs without their permission - and are demanding that Google and Yahoo! remove all references to them in search results.

The National Music Publishers Association, an industry trade group representing over 800 songwriters and publishers, has launched an attack on both illegal-song lyric sites and search engines that link to them, people familiar with the situation said.

Publishers last summer waged a similar crusade against Web sites that published guitar notes from popular songs.

The move against lyric sites comes as the publishing business is in the midst of rolling out official online-lyric offerings through such places as Yahoo! Music and Real Networks' Rhapsody, via deals with lyric aggregators Gracenote and LyricFind.

In those deals, publishers license lyrics for online reproduction in exchange for a portion of ad revenues from the sites.

Illegal lyric sites have been in operation for years, and top ad-supported sites like AZ Lyrics Universe have attracted some of the most traffic among music-related Web sites.

Industry insiders say all take-down requests at this point are "voluntary," and part of an "educational" push on behalf of music publishers to inform lyric Web sites that reproducing the words to songs without authorization is a violation of copyright law.

However, sources warn that sites that do not cooperate will be subject to cease-and-desist notices under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. DMCA notices often serve as a precursor to music-industry litigation.

Among the sites in the crosshairs are AZ Lyrics Universe and Lyrics.com.

And in a new twist, publishers are going after search engines, too. Under DMCA regs, search engines are vulnerable to lawsuits for linking to sites hosting unauthorized works.

Publishing sources say the NMPA has been talking to Google and other search engines about removing illegal lyrics sites from search indices.


So, if this happens, does it mean I've infringed on copyright laws if I reproduce the lyrics included with a CD?

09-13-2007, 05:10 PM

Springsteen: A Rich Man's Working Class Hero?

To be lasting, you have to look at your audience and see yourself, and they have to look at you and see themselves - Bruce Springsteen

I like the question mark at the end of the title. Exactly, the audience has to look at you and see themselves. So, is this the reason he has accepted without hesitation the working class hero role?

It's June 2006 and I'm in the Bradley Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Bruce Springsteen and the Seeger Sessions Band (an even larger ensemble than the E Street Band) are right in front of me are tearing through a fierce version of "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Hard Times and Live". The song is inexplicable and profoundly haunting and the performance is belting with vigor and purpose. I'm watching the intensity of Springsteen's penetrating face as he digs deep from within his soul to express his zealous interpretation of this Pete Seeger song that borderlines on rage. When you pay your money down, Springsteen gives his all on the concert stage proving it all night…every night. Sadly, the message of "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Hard Times and Live" on this particular night isn't heard by as many as it should be. Many of those who need to hear this music and have it enlighten and comfort them, can't afford to witness this magic. Tickets to the Seeger Sessions tour (done in support of 'We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions', a collection of songs by the activist-folk artist Pete Seeger) cost over $100 with service fees. The Bradley Center was reconfigured to half capacity with the stage set up mid-floor and there are still less than 10,000 in attendance. The night before in Chicago had a staggering 20,000 unsold tickets. Granted, the Chicago show was in a shed, but not a single lawn ticket was sold, and the back of the venue was empty. How is this? How can band like Poison attract more attendee's than than a formidable and compelling artist than Bruce Springsteen? It's actually quite simple; ticket price.

Is this writer serious? Ticket price? Give me a break. Ticket prices are low and he still can't attract. Maybe it's the man and his music. Witness the magic. Is he David Copperfield or something? What magic?

Over the years I have found it increasingly impossible to write about Bruce Springsteen, I almost feel that my prose could never do him justice.

Just continue as you are by acting all head over heels in love with Springsteen and writing as if he his your hero.

The man is a sort of personal Jesus to me; his music has brought me through some truly trying times. I've seen Springsteen live more times than any other artist for a very good reason; he may be the greatest live performer in the history of rock n' roll.

See, I knew it wouldn't take you long. Springsteen is like Jesus to this writer. Please have your head examined. If you want to be taken seriously, you shouldn't write in this manner.

I know there are hundreds of artists who have reinvented themselves on-stage numerous times, but no one has ever given as much of themselves when they hit the stage other than Bruce Springsteen.

What does he give of himself? I really would like to know. Seems there are a slew of hard core fans who derive pleasure from watching this man's painful performances. From listening to songs that speak of sexually deviant behavior and depression. Like they say, misery loves company.

His workmanlike values, songs of strife and hope have defined a generation. One of Springsteen's most enduring qualities over the years has been that when you watch him perform you believe every word he is singing despite the millions he has in the bank, a difficult and near impossible feat. Despite my deep and profound love for this man and his music, I feel disconnected from him as of late. Many friends and colleagues would ask me "why, he's still the voice of a generation and one of our most important artists". I usually ask them, "Is he?"

Springsteen's songs haven't defined a generation. They define him. Exactly, you believe every word he is saying. Like he said, you have to make the audience see themselves in you. It's magic. Your colleagues and friends are misguided. Springsteen has never been and is not the voice of a generation and certainly not one of OUR most important artists.

I only saw two Springsteen shows in the summer of 2006, not many for a die-hard fan like me, but I felt like I had been taken advantage of because each show cost me $110 with service charges.

Oh, please. Springsteen isn't popular. It has nothing to do with his ticket prices. Why do you think E Street Band tickets are so difficult to get? Because they give blocks to the brokers who sell them for bigger bucks than Springsteen can get from the usual vendors and they split the difference.

I thought for Springsteen to charge an obscene amount of money to play arenas and sheds behind an album that the overwhelming majority of the public would find hard to swallow was egotistical and selfish.

Very well said. Egotistical and selfish, but it has nothing to do with ticket prices.

They were the easiest tickets I ever scored for Springsteen in my entire life and for good reason.

See above comment about ticket brokers.

Few people were interested in seeing this type of show in the venues it visited with a ticket price that broke the $100 barrier. Pete Seeger's songs are sincere and earnest and they deserve to be heard by future generations and I must admit to not fully appreciating them until I witnessed Springsteen perform them in concert. The two shows I saw were nothing short of breathtaking and they validated that Springsteen is a first-rate bandleader because he took material I was disinterested by on record and made it feel live, vital and releasing. Creative arrangements of standards like "The Saints Come Marching In", "Buffalo Gals", "Jesse James" and "Pay Me My Money Down" came to life and made me reevaluate the album. I remember being with a friend at these shows and discussing how fearless these shows were. I could never imagine an arena artist even attempting to pull off a tour like the Seeger tour. However the bold and brave performances were overshadowed by the fact that there were over 20,000 unsold tickets in Chicago, a building he filled to capacity on two-consecutive nights in 1992 without the E Street Band. This was a depressing site to see because there are a whole generation of people who could have been inspired by this show, the music and the message of these songs. Unfortunately, these people stayed home because someone felt it was necessary to institute one ticket price ($100) to see this show without any thought given to how many more people would see the show if there had multiple tiers of pricing.

Again, it has nothing to do with ticket prices. I watched a you tube video of Seeger Sessions and "When the Saints." I only made it through the first few lines of the song. It was so slow and dragged on so long, it was depressing. It's suppose to be an uplifting song. But, Springsteen is a depressing artist and most of what he sings is depressing. Maybe folks are just plain sick of his depressing/working class/hero/Boss act. Maybe they've finally seen through his facade.

I know Bruce and his people think they are doing fans a favor by keeping ticket prices below the $100 mark, but when tickets are over $90 the service charge will gladly take care of that. However, the biggest issue with their pricing over the last five-years is the lack of affordable multiple tiers for tickets. The best seat and the worse seat in the venue should never be the same price. At the United Center this coming October, a $65 ticket is being issued for eight sections (308 to 310 and 324-328). This is a small portion of the arena and seats in section 307 and 311 are not worth $110 for any act. The $65 seats should encompass a large part of the third level, all seats behind the stage and they should be priced below $50. Many people usually tell me that Springsteen is still cheaper than most other acts on the road today. This may be true, but it's a lousy argument. If you had a child and they continually brought home all A's on every report card for years and then all of a sudden the A's went to C's, you would ask why. Your child may make the argument that their grades are still better than half of the people in the class. What would you say to them? You would tell them you don't care what the other kids are getting, you are only concerned with them and you know what they are capable of and it's not a C. I feel the same way about Bruce Springsteen, why is it that Tom Petty, Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews leave money on the table every time they perform and none (aside from special shows) charge more than $65 for their top-tier tickets? Also, it should be noted that the Stones, Who, Aerosmith, U2, Justin Timberlake and Madonna have all had their cheapest seats priced lower than Springsteen. I recently saw Keith Urban in Milwaukee where he had a first rate stage set up (something Springsteen has never had) and the tickets were priced at $26 and $52. Is Bruce's overhead that much more?

I'll be back after I check ticket prices for other artists. Buddy, he's a cash cow. He has to deliver the goods to his handlers. That equals higher ticket prices if he's not drawing the audience. Do your math.

Even if you take the dollar signs out of the equation, as an artist, wouldn't you want as many people to see you as possible? The last time I saw Tom Petty in concert was in 2005 and the show had 30,000 in attendance and was completely sold-out. It should be noted that this was approximately 7,000 more people than Springsteen has performed to on his last three trips to Chicago combined. Heck if I threw in the 2006 Milwaukee show I still think Bruce would be trailing in attendance. My point is that if you price tickets fairly ($30) people will come in droves to see you. If priced accordingly, Bruce could have a following as devoted as Philadelphia or Boston. The Seeger Chicago show was a wasted opportunity to bring exposure to the album. If all lawn tickets had been priced at $20 the day the show went on sale, I know dozens of people who would have gone and in turn, they may have experienced something unexpected. More importantly, a high school or college student may have gone on a whim and may have had a profound experience that altered their life in some way. The job of an artist like Bruce Springsteen is to not only entertain but to challenge and enlighten their audience. Whether one agrees with Springsteen's politics or not isn't the point, but what is important is people could have been inspired by these songs and walked away contemplating their meaning and the context in which they were written. Future leaders of tomorrow who are now in high school and college could have witnessed the Seeger show and possibly had their eyes and ears opened to a unique and enlightening evening of songs that have weighty meanings. Sadly, they were never exposed to the music or show because tickets were priced at an unattainable price for the majority of them.

Oh, please. A profound experience that altered their life if they saw Springsteen perform. Give me a break. That's what he thinks he is and perhaps another reason for higher ticket prices. He thinks his performance is worth it. The job of an artist like Bruce Springsteen is to not only entertain but to challenge and enlighten their audience. Ah, when has he done this? His audience for the most part are hard core followers who are in a trance like state. They pay the bucks. They fly to multiple shows. He relies on them. Time is running out. he certainly enlightens about sexually deviant behavior. That's for sure.

Springsteen has always embodied the workmanlike values he sings about and I find a dramatic contradiction in his ticket prices.

Yeah. Springsteen embodies the workmanlike values he sings about. Are you sure you've read the lyrics to his songs? Are you serious? He's a rich man in poor man's clothes working for the NWO. He's a satanist, a pedophile, a mind controller.

Yes, his prices are cheaper than other artists of his caliber, but it doesn't make it right. This past weekend, Springsteen largely sold out most of the shows that went on sale, however, as the tour progresses and he rides through other markets, most notably the South and Midwest, $80 for a nosebleed won't cut it and unfortunately, Bruce will miss out on more than money; more importantly, he'll miss out on an opportunity to inspire and enlighten thousands of lives who need a reminder that life is miraculous and a silver lining can always be found in a dark cloud.

Now you're saying his ticket prices are cheaper than artists of his caliber. One or the other, pal. Are you on Springsteen's payroll? Oh, the poor people are going to miss out on an opportunity to be enlightened about sexually deviant behavior. Springsteen reminds people that he is depressing and so, too, is his life.

I wish Springsteen would take the lyrics of "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Hard Times and Live" to heart. There is nothing wrong with being a capitalist in any form, but sometimes there are greater long term goals at stake instead of money guarantee's. He should tier his pricing accordingly so that everyone and not just the elite can afford to witness his "magic" when he hits the concert stage.

Springsteen works for the music mobsters. He's not a working class hero. He's convinced you of this and so you think he would actually listen to the lyrics of "How Can a Poor Man Stand Such Hard Times and Live" and lower his ticket prices. He's a hypocrite. Or, don't you know that by now? Apparently not. Your drooling over him is an embarrassment.

Where the dark of night holds back the light of day
And you've gotta stand and fight for the price you pay

HUH?? Oh, yes. What a transforming line. Changed my life. Springsteen paid the price. He's not standing or fighting.

In 2003 a handful of friends and I went to see Bruce and the E Street Band in ballpark in Milwaukee for a friends bachelor party. It turned out Milwaukee was a good meeting ground and Bruce happened to be in town that weekend. There's something magical about seeing Bruce in Milwaukee, dating back to the infamous "Bomb Scare" shows in 1975. For the last few tours, the best I have seen Springsteen has been in Milwaukee. On this particular night in September 2003 Bruce and the band were thrilling to the point of exhaustion performing scorching versions of "Candy's Room", "The Fuse", Who'll Stop The Rain", "My Love Won't Let You Down", "Because The Night" which complimented the rarities "Across The Border" and "Kitty's Back" before a blazing finale consisting of "Rosalita", "Dancing In The Dark" and "Cadillac Ranch" took an already ecstatic crowd to heights I've rarely witnessed in my life. The band blew the roof off the ballpark. The 32,000 in attendance experienced a phenomenal show, but sadly, 8,000 people did not experience it at all because the cheapest ticket with service charges was just under $70. As we were walking out one friend told me that he would have paid double the ticket price for just the last thirty-minutes while another friend came up to me, put his arm around me and professed "I saw NONE of the songs I wanted to see…but I saw ALL of the songs I needed to see". I'm not sure if I have ever heard a more profound statement in regards to a concert experience. Here was someone who wanted to see all of 'Born In The USA' and instead walked away with a deeper appreciation of who Bruce Springsteen was as an artist and his deep, rich and profound catalog. No "Today Show" performance could encompass this type of power. A few months later my first friend had copies of 'The River' and 'The Rising' on his cd shelf which had not been there months earlier and the other friend had gone out and bought six Bruce albums he had no intention of ever buying…and one of them was the four-cd box set 'Tracks'. What this proves is there are greater and more important rewards to be reaped in the long run rather than guaranteed up-front cash. They wouldn't own any of these albums if not for the live performance and sadly, because there are no fairly priced lower tier tickets, they've passed on the last two Bruce tours and will be skipping this one because $80 for a nosebleed seat is just too much in their mind, despite having the income to afford it. Springsteen's tickets overall appear to be cheaper than most artists of his caliber, but that only applies to the high end prices. By charging $110 for nosebleeds, the price might as well be $300 because the average worker in New Orleans, Kansas City, St. Louis and possibly Milwaukee can't afford it either way.

You are such a whiner. 8,000 people missed out because of the ticket prices. My goodness. Those poor 8,000 people. If we could only find them; buy them a ticket to the next Springsteen show they could feel the magic and their lives will be forever enriched and indebted to The Boss. Your love for Springsteen, again, is embarrassing. This article is pathetic, to say the least. Not everyone loves the man.

We live in a world surrounded by darkness and at its core it is a very ugly place. It attempts to beat us down and drain every bit of sanity and hope from us daily. In order to make it through life, we need reminders of the beauty that can be found in this world. Despite the nastiness we all experience, I'm reminded of the splendor life brings every time I enter a remarkable art museum, walk through a thousand year-old church in Europe, see a profoundly moving movie or hear music that soothes and resurrects your soul.

Don't see a Springsteen show if you want to be reminded of the beauty in life. Just a bit of advice.

My question is why should only the wealthiest people afford to witness something as miraculous as a Bruce Springsteen concert? If the current prices roll over into future legs of the tour including a rumored stadium run next summer, I can guarantee you there will be a lot of empty seats. Each empty seat represents a consumer who didn't pay for parking, concessions, concert merchandise, exposure to your new music and the list goes on and on…but most importantly, it's one less person who could be transformed and comforted by the magical experience that is Bruce Springsteen in concert. By not having a fair and affordable lower tier ticket price, it will alienate and drive away thousands of potential customers and this will be a heavy financial and artistic price to pay.

Something as miraculous as Springsteen? Did you and he have an affair???

You make up your mind, you choose the chance you take
You ride to where the highway ends and the desert breaks
Out on to an open road you ride until the day
You learn to sleep at night with the price you pay

But, he has a freight train runnin' through the middle of his head at night; can't sleep and wakes up with the sheets soakin' wet. That's the end result when you pay the price.

Anthony Kuzminski is a Chicago based writer and can be found at The Screen Door

09-13-2007, 06:50 PM
Oooohhhh, they dropped a hint over at BTX today for the children.

Throwin' the dogs a bone.

Givin' them something to chew on.

Heighten their anticipation.


Garry Tallent was carrying Bruce's "Tracks" four-CD set in his hand.

Oh, my!

Maybe they're going to play some of the songs from "Tracks" on this tour.

Oh, the surprises, they say.

You never know what Springsteen might pull out of his catalogue and play on one of his tour.

Or, pull out of his hat.

What tricks he might have up his sleeve.

Thus, the reason you keep going and you keep going and you keep going and to multiple shows, too.

You just never know what Santa might deliver.

09-14-2007, 09:39 AM
I first met Terry in 1972. I'd just returned from California after an unsuccessful attempt to live as a musician in the Bay Area. Steve's band, the Sundance Blues Band, were booked at the Captain's Garter in Neptune, New Jersey. I sat in with Steve and we played to a packed and cheering crowd. This was a job we needed, bad. I was broke. After the show, sweaty and triumphant, Steve and I went back to meet the manager of the place, figuring we were this guy's dream come true. There behind the desk, windbreaker on, stood a large and not very friendly light-haired man. He explained slowly and carefully, that yes, while the crowd was large and loud, that no one was drinking. They were too busy listening to the music, and if we hadn't noticed this was a bar, therefore, our services in the future would not be necessary. This was my first introduction to the clear, hard headed thinking of Terry Magovern. He fired me! It was the beginning of a long and beautiful relationship.

Terry stood as a strange New Jersey version of "the catcher in the rye," out on the edge of some windswept cliff keeping children from rushing over the edge. He was always busy saving something or somebody. It was his blessing and his tragedy. It's no wonder some savvy commander spotted this in him and chose him for the Mercury Program, a frogman to pull astronauts out of the water after their lonely trip through space. It's no wonder that Terry's occupation of choice here on the Jersey Shore was lifeguard. His theme song should have been "You Gotta Serve Somebody." For "T" this idea seemed to include most of the human race with the exception of one...Terry Magovern. That was one rescue mission he was always underprepared for.

Terry and my 23 years together were marked by the quiet, slow, methodical rituals of two men comfortably alone together, doing a job. Over time that methodicalness evolved into something deeply personal. The small things: Terry's door open next to mine in every hotel of the past two decades, Terry in his best Ed McMahon voice as I stepped into the van at the end of each show saying "you have conquered another city, Oh Great One", me answering, "yes, we have" then silence for the rest of the ride home, the emptying of everything from my pockets into Terry's hands as I was about to go onstage, these are the things I'm going to miss.

Out of all of Terry's unusual qualities the one that was least noticed but most deeply felt was his permanence. Everything about Terry spoke of permanence. This is why his death is so difficult to fathom. His size, his face, his gait, the tempo at which he met the world, all spoke of mastery over time, control of space, and permanence. I never saw Terry rush, though I'm sure I gave him occasion to. I never saw Terry panic, though one night we were in a very small plane in a very big wind and for 30 or 40 long seconds it appeared like the pilots were really not going to keep us in the air. My agent Barry Bell was there and I watched as he renewed his faith in Judaism. A New York Times reporter was with us his eyes rolled back into his head as if imagining tomorrow's headlines: "Bruce Springsteen and others..." Whatever I was doing, I'm sure it wasn't pretty. I turned to Terry and he was sitting extremely still, the mask of Irish fatalism fixed firmly to his face. We survived.

Encountering Terry was like coming across a huge rock formation in the desert: you could go around it, ignore it, climb over it, though that would be ill-advised, but you had to deal with its presence, its permanence. One evening I was concerned about a security issue. Terry assured me he was "the baddest man on the planet...for sixty seconds". Over the last few years watching Terry battle cancer, heart problems, the death of his fiancée Joan Dancy, you couldn't help but observe that those seconds had wound down to probably a very vicious "10." Then they ran out.

Some people when they die take whole worlds with them. That's Terry Magovern. Terry was the last great symbol of the raging honky tonk Jersey Shore scene of the 60's and 70's. Bar manager, bouncer, lifeguard, father, grandfather, loyal friend, faithful working companion, Terry covered it all. From Asbury Park to Timbuktu there are people weeping and wondering... "HOW AM I GONNA GET IN?!!!"

So here on E Street we say goodbye to our good friend, our New Jersey "catcher in the rye", and to the rest of you we say don't go rushing too hard towards the edge of that cliff. There's going to be two strong arms that aren't going to be there to catch you. Terry, when they built you, brother, they broke the mold.

Bruce Springsteen
August 20, 2007


I highly doubt Springsteen wrote this without assistance.

Secondly, what exactly did Terry do with the Springsteen camp?

Seems the most important aspect of his job for which Springsteen will miss the most is when he emptied his pockets into Terry's hand before he went on stage.

Is this the TERRY that Springsteen sings about in "The Promise?"

Springsteen is so full of himself.

After a show, Terry would say to him, "you conquered another city."

Why does Springsteen feel it is necessary to share his personal life with whomever is interested, which, most probably only includes his die hard fans?

Who else would even know about Terry "Frank" Macgovern or even care what his relationship was with Springsteen or how his death has affected him?

09-14-2007, 10:37 AM
Where does that TWANG come from that Springsteen incorporates in some of his songs?

Anyway, although it's not as prevalent on his MAGIC CD; Devils and Dust, yes; "Radio Nowhere" video is being played on Country Music Television and I believe it has made it into the top 20.

Seems, Scialfa and Springsteen have gone country.

09-14-2007, 02:39 PM
Oh, come on now.

He's a hero, The Boss, Jesus, and now ROYALTY.


The Prince of Freehold, New Jersey?

09-14-2007, 02:44 PM
The Springsteen followers consider themselves lucky to be FANATICS who are obsessed with the man.

As if everyone else is missing out on their dysfunction.

They're so lucky to be able to be FIRED UP about the upcoming tour, one poster says.

Gee, I wish I was able to get so excited over nothing the way you do.

They act as if it's been ten years since Springsteen's performed.

Here's a list of his most recent tours:

1998- Tracks
1999- Reunion tour
2000- Reunion tour
2001- Live in NYC CD & DVD
2002- The Rising album and tour
2003- The Rising tour
2004- Vote for Change tour
2005- Devils and Dust album & tour, BTR box set
2006- Hammersmith CD, Seeger Sessions CD & tour
2007- Magic CD & tour

09-14-2007, 02:46 PM
One poster says the watched "Radio Nowhere" on VH1 today and that "My Hometown" was also shown on VH1 Classics.

He wants to know if it's just him or is this single getting exposure?

It's just you!

09-14-2007, 02:50 PM
I guess Springsteen is going to have an opening act before one of his shows:

Like the MAGIC summer of 2003 at "The Meadowlands Boardwalk Stage" Jobonanno and The Godsons of Soul will be live in concert for the Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Bands' pre-show at the Watchovia Center Arena in Philly on Oct. 5th.

Show-time is 5pm.

A Springsteen show admission ticket is needed to enter the pre-party.

A special favor to all BTX'ers, mention your from the BTX boards and recieve a free copy of "TURN UP THE HEAT" JB & THE GODSONS latest release.


Funny how they latch on to every word the man speaks or uses in his lyrics.

MAGIC this; MAGIC that.

Will Springteen be performing some magic tricks, too?

Pulling rabbits out of his hat?

09-14-2007, 02:56 PM
Rehearsals resumed today!

Springsteen waved to his fans.

There were about 20 or so.

Was he driving his corvette or Range Rover, one poster wants to know.

Does it matter?

I guess to this poster it does.

Did he wave with his right or left hand?

Exactly what time did he leave?

Did he leave before or after his wife?

Very important questions in the scope of all that is relevant in life.

09-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Oh, yes the religious imagery in Springsteen's songs, particulary "Long Walk Home."

Coupled with the sexual deviant imagery sure makes a lovely combination.

GOD would be so proud.