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09-14-2007, 07:09 PM
Like I said, Springsteen's tickets aren't expensive.

Some of Bon Jovi's seats are $88.00. Someone on BTX replied that seats are going for $300.00. Bon Jovi fans will probably pay that price.

Springsteen doesn't sell out his venues because his ticket prices are too high, but because he is not as popular as other artists of his caliber.

Or, do you worshippers place Springsteen in a class of his own?

I do. He attracts a certain kind of person. Not appealing to a wide audience.

Springsteen's cash cow days are long gone.

Use you up and spit you out.

09-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Springsteen tickets eBay fury for fans

Questions asked after record sell-out for Belfast gig

Thursday, September 06, 2007

By Maureen Coleman

Organisers of Bruce Springsteen's winter concert in Belfast today moved to quell anger among fans who were left empty-handed after tickets sold out in a record-breaking eight minutes.

Fans attempting to purchase their tickets online when they went on sale at 9am were furious to discover that they had all gone by the time they were due to be released - yet dozens appeared almost immediately on eBay, selling for up to treble the price.

And queues of would-be concert-goers hoping to see The Boss at the Odyssey Arena on December 15 were turned away from retail outlets shortly after 9am.

Several disappointed online bidders contacted the Belfast Telegraph to express their frustration that tickets were being sold on eBay for anything from £100 to £250 each.

South Belfast woman, Ann Gorman, logged onto Ticketmaster's website at 8.45am, but was told tickets would not be available until 9am.

Precisely 15 minutes later she attempted to buy tickets, only to be told they were all sold out. But she was angry to discover that tickets were immediately selling on eBay for two and three times the price.

"I said I would get tickets for my nephew but then decided to go to the gig myself as well," she said.

"I know it was 9am, because the news had just started, and yet I was told the tickets had all sold out. But there they were on eBay for £200.

"I can't understand how so many tickets were sold when they were only supposed to be on sale at 9am. I'm curious to find out how this happened and how many tickets were actually made available online by Ticketmaster.

"Bruce Springsteen is very much a man of the people and I'm sure he wouldn't be too pleased to hear that so many of his fans weren't able to get tickets to see him in concert."

Seasoned gig-goer David Spence also attempted to buy tickets online but was unable to do so.

Mr Spence, a teacher at Portadown College, said: "This would have been the ninth time I was going to get to see him.

"I've been to about 50 gigs and I'm well used to buying tickets online. I was at a high-speed computer at 8.55am, continuously refreshing the page until 9am, when I tried to buy four tickets.

"I was told there were no tickets left, so tried again, this time for two. But it still came up that all the tickets had gone.

"What I want to know is how 10,000 tickets could sell out by 9am. I know it's one of only two gigs he is doing in the UK, but I was on the ball immediately and if anyone was going to get a ticket, it would have been me.

"How many tickets did Ticketmaster actually make available to the public or were some held back for corporates? It's very frustrating."

A spokeswoman for the Odyssey Arena said, as with all its events, tickets had been made available to simultaneously purchase by a number of methods - the Arena box office in person or by phone, almost 100 Ticketmaster outlets, credit card booking and online via Ticketmaster.

She said that many people had opted to buy online and like phone lines, the web could only cater for a limited number of users at one time.

"The high demand for tickets this morning meant that from 9am, when the event went on sale, as well as queues at the Arena Box office, Ticketmaster outlets, on phone lines, there were several thousand Internet users in a queue online.

"With the Odyssey Arena being one of only two UK and Ireland shows Bruce Springsteen will be playing this year, it was always expected to sell out quickly, which unfortunately means some fans will be left disappointed.

"The concert in fact sold out in eight minutes, which equates to over 20 tickets per second and more than 1,000 per minute."

Commenting on the sell-out gig, Odyssey Arena's chief executive, Nicky Dunn, said: "We are delighted that the Odyssey Arena concert is one of only two shows Springsteen will be playing this year in the UK and Ireland.

"As a result a huge number of visitors from across Ireland, parts of the UK as well as European cities such as Madrid and Barcelona, will be travelling to Belfast for their idol."

Prior to the Springsteen concert, the record sell-out was 15 minutes for Oasis in July 2005.


So, why is it that Springsteen tickets are so hard to come by on Ticketmaster and other outlets?

Is the quick sell-out all about hype?

A tactic to attract interest as if he's the hottest ticket in town.

Is it because they are bought up by brokers before they are on-sale to the public and then sold for higher prices on EBay and through other independent sources?

Let's see what's available on EBAY for Bon Jovi?

09-14-2007, 07:52 PM
A poster at BTX says that he loves having Scialfa in the band.

I don't think this poster is a band member, but the way he stated the above sure sounds as if he thinks he is.

My opinion is that Scialfa's latest CD, including some of the songs on her earlier two CDs speak to her own infidelities/temptations just as many of Springsteen's songs speak to his infidelities and sexually deviant behavior.

Have to wonder about Scialfa, as well.

She drank a lot of Tequila in order to bring out the flirtatious GIRL who was sending signals.

In one of her other CD's, think it is 23rd Street Lullaby, one song speaks about her love interest with a BOY.

Why didn't you just have Springsteen perform some "mind control" magic and call out one of your alters?

Come on! How old are you? Aren't you the mother of three?

Oh, yeah. I forgot that doesn't matter. No sexual inhibitions when you;re in the cult. Besides, the children have been exposed to it since birth.

Back to the daughter wearing the "red-headed" t-shirt, public affair with Springsteen, pregnant with his child while he was married to Julianne, asking, "no foreplay" during an interview, standing on stage while your husband sings "red-headed woman" and all of the other sexually deviant songs and lyrics about his other love interests (male and female; little girls); draping yourself on your bed in such a weird manner in the People Magazine story and basically just accepting it all.

Are Clarence and Springsteen still romantically involved?

09-14-2007, 10:08 PM
The Fuse
Bruce Springsteen

Down at the court house they're ringin' the flag down
Long black line of cars snakin' slow through town
Red sheets snappin' on the line
With this ring will you be mine
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

Trees on fire with the first fall's frost
Long black line in front of Holy Cross
Blood moon risin' in a sky of black dust
Tell me Baby who do you trust?
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

Tires on the highway hissin' that something's coming
You can feel the wires in the tree tops hummin'
Devil's on the horizon line
Your skin and I'm alive

Quiet afternoon in the empty house
On the edge of the bed you slip off your blouse
The room is burning with the noon sun
Your bittersweet taste on my tongue
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

A poster at BTX comments about the song, "The Fuse."

I’ve long considered The Fuse, along with Paradise (see my extensive post about the latter here http://www.backstreets.com/btx/viewtopic.php?p=545891&highlight=paradise#545891 ) to be the forgotten masterpiece of the The Rising album.

A masterpiece is never forgotten. It is recognized as such. If not, then it isn't a masterpiece.

Not only is it one of the few Bruce songs (despite his claims to the contrary) to in fact be about sex, but it also has some of the man’s best apocalyptic imagery and one of his most subtle characters in years.

Springsteen claims the song isn't about sex??? Well then why is it about sex??? Oh, yes, one of Springsteen's most subtle characters in years makes an appearance in this song. Or do you mean one of his alters?

I’m just going to do a straight interpretation here- the lyrics are certainly confusing enough!

A straight interpretation, you say. What else is there? A crooked one? By all means, proceed. With such confusing lyrics, how could the interpretation be straight?

I’d love to hear your views on other aspects of the song as well though.

The song is basically about, I think, passionate (physical) love in the face of the coming apocalypse (presumably set right after 9/11). These characters are not living in the future: the end of the world is about to arrive (Devil’s on the horizon line). But harking back to Nebraska (just make sure my pretty baby is sitting right there on my lap), the narrator of this song doesn’t care about the future, the world, his life. He has given up- now he wants immediate, sexual satisfaction: a last hurrah of sorts, I suppose.

Sounds just like Springsteen. Doesn't care about anything except immediate, sexual satisfaction. So, if the end of the world is coming because the Devil is on the horizon line, what's happening when Springsteen says the devil is snappin' at his heels or in the mailbox? Just a little visit?

Down at the court house they're ringin' the flag down
Long black line of cars snakin' slow through town

Images of death and defeat- Bruce doesn’t beat the listener over the head with full-blown apocalypse imagery yet.

Oh, please. Springsteen spares the listener from beating them over the head with full-blown apocalyptic imagery at this point. Jeez. I don't think they'd survive if he didn't. Just confusing lyrics, depressing, and, as per usual, finding a way to incorporate sex.

The man takes great pains to explain his cryptic/confusing/non-sensical songs with psychobabble that explain nothing, but when a song is clearly about sex, he says that it is not. Go figure! I mean, certainly the theme of this song is SEX and all the other words are filler. It's Springsteen's MO for most of his songs which basically always revert to sex as the theme. Gets pretty boring!

They’re ringing the flag down- surrendering, perhaps, or at the least pulling the banner to half mast to recognize the deceased. The second line clearly connotes a funeral.

Clearly in this song, there is one line that is CLEAR, the poster says. Half-clear. Not all funerals consist of black cars.

Long black line of cars snakin' slow through town.

Red sheets snappin' on the line
With this ring will you be mine
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

A rather dark call to live in the moment (sexually and otherwise- “with this ring will you be mine” seems to be basically the narrator ensuring that he’ll have accomplished the marriage before his own funeral). The fuse is burning- that is to say, time is running out- so shut out the light- meaning, as Bruce would put it, will you pull your pants down.

A rather dark call to live in the moment??? HUH??? Oh, yeah, real dark. My goodness, this song just encompasses such emotion about the character, I just can't contain my tears. So, he'll be getting married right before he dies. NICE!!! As usual, as Springsteen would put it, will you pull your pants down. He's 58 and still asking this of other women/little girls? I wonder if his kids think he's a sex maniac???

Trees on fire with the first fall's frost
Long black line in front of Holy Cross
Blood moon risin' in a sky of black dust
Tell me Baby who do you trust?
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

This imagery is less about death alone, and more apocalyptic. Trees are burning, even as the temperature drops, perhaps from a terrorist attack, perhaps spontaneously- maybe even) metaphorically. The point is, things are happening which are unnatural and unexpected (at least in the narrator’s mind. Many turn to religion as a last refuge (“long black line in front of Holy Cross”), but, the narrator points out, this seems to have no effect (“Blood moon risin’ in a sky of black dust” is a very apocalyptical 9/11 reference [the black dust], and although the actually Blood Moon, or Hunter’s Moon did not rise that year until Halloween, the line is rife with non-specific dark imagery.) This line also shows that the narrator is not alone in his fear of the inclement end of times. Whom should she trust, asks the narrator, the Church, which has already failed? Or me, instinct, yourself? The fuse is burning- there’s not much time left. Let me do you right.

Oh, please, he asks whom she trusts because the church has already failed. Oh, yep. I see that line right there in the song. The church has failed. Give me a break. It all comes down to the fuse is burning, let Springsteen do you right.

Tires on the highway hissin' that something's coming
You can feel the wires in the tree tops hummin'
You can feel it in the air that the end is near-

even ordinary occurrences like tires hissing on the highway and telephone wires seem suspicious and omen-like.

Devil's on the horizon line
Your skin and I'm alive

The Devil is on the horizon line- the narrator is sure that the end is just around the corner, and we will all be dead. And yet, your skin, indeed, any skin- the act of sex makes the narrator feel more alive than ever- indeed, sex in the face of the apocalypse feels almost like a victory.

The end is near but this guy's thinking about having sex. Oh, yeah. Real logical. You mean sex in the face of the Devil and not the apocalypse, don't you?

Humans’ ability to gain happiness from one another precludes everything, even their imminent destruction. This line (and, indeed, the whole song) harks back to 1992- The Fuse is a reconsideration and expansion, with the hindsight of 9/11, of the ideas expressed as “here’s to our wide destruction/baby let me be your soul driver.”

Oh, yeah, this song harks back to "here's to our wide destruction /baby let me be your soul driver." Certainly, I see the connection.

Like I've said, if a song has too much imagery and too many cryptic lyrics that it loses it's meaning (if it ever had one) and has to be interpreted to this degree, forget about it. Who wants to sit around wondering what Springsteen is talking about? His die hard fans, perhaps. If a listener doesn't get the meaning, the music doesn't move them on the first listen, second listen, it isn't going to be a hit.

Quiet afternoon in the empty house
An ostensibly average, meaningless day
On the edge of the bed you slip off your blouse
The room is burning with the noon sun
Your bittersweet taste on my tongue
The fuse is burning
Shut out the lights
The fuse is burning
Come on let me do you right

So, now the all of a sudden it's a quiet afternoon in an empty house; a meaningless day. What happened to the end of the world? Yep. You got it. SEX!!

The narrator knows better than to be drawn in by the quiet of the afternoon, or the heat of the noon sun- he knows what is about to happen (or at least thinks he does- he is, like the rest of America, feeling rather paranoid about the future after the attacks of September 11th). The fuse is burning- come on let me do you right.

At this point, you're not interpreting. You're adding a story to a song that didn't have a story to begin with. The narrator is like the rest of America?? Where do you get this from? Your vivid imagination??? He's paranoid after the attacks, but, in his paranoia, he still wants to do her right. One trick pony! One track mind! What a tool you are!! Maybe you ought to just write Springsteen's songs for him.

09-14-2007, 10:33 PM
WOW! I think I needed an editor for the last post.

09-15-2007, 07:53 AM
In an interview of the Italian edition of "Vanity Fair" Scialfa said "The Word" is about how her father was never able to show her the love he had for her. And that she felt betrayed when he died but that with time she understood that she must accept others as they are or their limits.


Maybe someone ought to tell Scialfa that there is no LAW requiring that she accept others as they are or their limits.

09-15-2007, 08:41 AM
Within an article on this thread that contains a review of Springsteen's MAGIC CD, the writer says that "My City of Ruins," was written before 911 or before "The Rising" CD on which it is contained.

On "The Rising" lyric sheet it indicates all songs copyrighted 2002; however one can assume that the copyright date is not always the same as the date the song was written.


I indicated on this thread that Springsteen co-wrote "Countin' on a Miracle" with Joe Grushecky. That is incorrect. On "The Essential" CD, it is written that he co-wrote "Code of Silence" with Grushecky in the winter of '97.

It is written in "The Essential" CD that Springsteen played the country blues version of "Countin' on a Miracle."

09-15-2007, 02:32 PM
Is Springsteen a rip-off artist as well as his handlers within the music industry?

Seems another track on the Magic CD, "Long Walk Home," sounds similar to Soul Asylum's, "Runaway Train."

We know that Springsteen and The E Street Band don't corroborate together with writing lyrics or composing the music.

They learn their respective parts; fly in separately and together to the studio to record.

Or, do they?

Seems they rehearse before every tour.

So, what's the scoop?

Where does the music come from?

P.S. It would have been more creative had Scialfa not used the name of a book for the title of her CD.


There are many hardcore fans who complain about the quality of the DVDs that are produced for various Springsteen shows by his staff.

Dark, quick cuts and too much focus on Springsteen's face.

It's said that Springsteen approves all and is a perfectionist.

Well, the perfectionism certainly doesn't show.

Perhaps there is much focus on his face because if they focused on his guitar you wouldn't see much.

09-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Springsteen puts on very long shows, according to his fans.

Maybe the reason for this is due to the fact that he sings long, drawn out versions of various songs and incorporates preaching into his performances, as well.

09-16-2007, 06:01 PM
Yep. The Magic CD hasn't been released yet, but every last song on it is a classic according to some fans.

This particular line in one of the songs really has them excited:

"Pour me a drink, Theresa, and I'll watch the bones in your back like the Stations of the Cross."

Yes. Just lovely.

Wonderful imagery.

Or, this bridge in the song, "Last to Die" seems to be the best Springsteen has ever done, according to one of his fanatics.

He asks, is it just me?

Yep. It's just you.

The sun sets in flames as the city burns
Another day gone down as the night turns"

To the heart-wrenching follow-up

"And I hold you here in my heart
As things fall apart"


Another city burning.

Another failed love interest.

Maybe Springsteen should have named this CD, "Bleeding Heart."

09-16-2007, 06:04 PM
A couple of youtube videos of Springsteen.

One, "The Incident on 57th Street."

SoulBoogieAlex comments that he could DIE after seeing this one.

09-16-2007, 06:06 PM
Weird Al interviews Springsteen.


He seems a little "tongue tied" at some points.

09-16-2007, 06:16 PM
Springsteen's first television interview.


09-16-2007, 08:21 PM
These BTX'ers have such a vested interest in how Springsteen's MAGIC CD is reviewed.

Can you imagine even caring one iota what a critic has to say about a musician?

As if it reflects on them. As if it's directed at them personally.

He is their hero.

If he fails.

They fail.

They worshipped a loser.

Why do they feel this need for validation of their hero?

Probably because they know subconsciously that Springsteen is immoral.

Maybe they see it's all been an illusion.

Probably because they know Springsteen is not all that the critics claimed that he was.

Maybe because they see that those who write in such an embarrassing manner about their love for him; over the top accolades and worshipping, reflect their sentiments and it's embarrassing.

Mabye they realize that:

Their leader isn't JESUS.

Their leaders isn't GOD.

Their leader isn't a HERO.

Their leader isn't a blue collar worker.

Their leader isn't royalty.

Their leader hasn't accomplished an incredible feat.

Maybe, it's because deep down they wonder why they behave the way that they do.

Maybe they realize they're not in control of their emotions, and that Springsteen, to a certain degree, is in control of their hearts and souls.

Maybe they know his songs aren't GREAT and/or classics, but they have to say that they are.

They've been conditioned this way.

This validates their obsession; their worshipping of their hero.

Otherwise, they'd have to ask themselves why they've invested their lives in this man's music.

For what?

The big pay-off?

09-16-2007, 08:35 PM
The fanatics are wondering what Springsteen can do this tour to SURPRISE them!


I assume they've been to so many shows that they've heard just about everything.

All the long drawn out versions of various songs.

Surprise them???

Well, maybe he'll play a song you haven't heard live before.

I think that's about the only surprise a musician could incorporate into their show.

That is, of course, unless Springsteen is a magician, puts on his top hat and as one poster comments:

Pulls incident out.

That is really humorous.

If Springsteen plays a song that they long to hear, he pull it out.

Uses his Magic Wand, pulls it out of thin air, or maybe his top hat.

You do agree that the name of the album "MAGIC," is just, well, to put it bluntly, LAME!

Have they all be cast under another MAGIC spell just by hearing the word?

I mean, he must use the words little girls (how they all act) and dreams about 5,000 times or more throughout his song book.

09-18-2007, 07:32 AM
According to Sanctified4one this is what the song Magic is about:

It's a warning to watch out for the bad man that's coming.

"Trust none of what you hear and less of what you see."

"This is what will be"

The bad man????

Is he like the bogey man?

Is he like Satan?

I am so thankful that Springsteen is able to warn the world that the BAD MAN is coming and when he does we should trust none of what we hear and less of what we see.

So, shall we be deaf, dumb and blind?

09-18-2007, 07:34 AM
The front page looks so much better when the thread titles are compacted and you can read the title and last comment in one glance instead of having to scroll over to the right.

Can't this tread be compacted so it doesn't throw the front page off center????

09-18-2007, 07:37 AM
How could Springsteen's use of the song title, "Last to Die" be a clever Kerry quote?

He copied it.

That ain't clever.

09-18-2007, 07:43 AM
2007 Rumble Doll music
Words and Music by Patti Scialfa
Rumble Doll Music (ASCAP)

*"The Word" written by PAtti Scialfa.
Contains elements of "Sally Go Round The Roses." Written by Abner Spector/Courtesy of Bonnyview Music Corp.

*"Town Called Heartbreak" written by Patti Scialfa. Contains a sample of "Society's Child" / Written by Janis Ian / 1966 renewed 1997 Taosongs Two (BMI) / All rights reserved. Used by permission.

*"Like Any Woman Would" written by Patti Scialfa. Contains elements of "He's So Fine" by Ronald Mack, used by permission of Harrisongs, Ltd.

Produced by Steve Jordan, Patti Scialfa, Ron Aniello
Recorded by Dave O'Donnell at Thrill Hill Studios
Mixed by Bob Clearmountain at Mix This!
Additional Engineering by Toby Scott, Eddie Jackson, Trina Shoemaker, Ron Aniello, Roger Moutenot, Brandon Duncan
Mastered by Bob Ludwig at Gateway Mastering
Production Coordination: Toby Scott
Production Assistant: Kelly Kilbride
Art Direction: Michelle Holme and Chris Austopchuk
Design: Michelle Holme
Photography: Sante D'Orazio-cover, back cover, spine and pages 4,7,9. All other photography by Bruce Springsteen

Jon Landau Mnagement: Jon Landau, Barbara Carr, Jan Stabile, Alison Oscar, Sue Berger.

Project Coordinator: Jan Stabile

The Whack Brother Rhythm Section:
Clifford Carter: Keyboards
Steve Jordan: Drums and Percussion, Acoustic Guitar 8
Nils Lofgren: Guitars, Pedal Steel, Dobra Slide
Bruce Springsteen: b3 Organ 4 and 9, Acoustic guitar 1 and 3, Electric guitar 5 and 9, Harmonica 1
Willie Weeks: Bass

Additional Players:
Ron Aniello: Guitar, Keyboards
Crusher Benner: Bass 2 and 3
Jeremy Chatzky: Bass 4 and 10
Patti Scialfa: Acoustic guitar, Banjo, Wurlitzer
Mark Stewart: Cello 1,6,9 Guitar 1, Banjo 9
Soozie Tyrell: Violin 6 and 9
Scott Tibbs: Synth Strings 9

BAcground Vocals:
Soozie Tyrell: 5,6,8 and 9
Lisa Lowell: 5, 6, 8 and 9
Michelle Morre: Bridge Vocal Solo 2, Background Vocals 3 and 8
Cindy Mizelle: 1, 3 and 8 Curtis King: 1
Steve Jordan appears courtesy pf Jay-Vee Records

For Evan, Jessica, Sam and Bruce

Thank you "WHACK BROTHERS" for all the beautiful playing, deep support, and MANY laughs.

Thank you Ron for your steadfast commitment, all the freedom you gave me, and the great ideas.

Toby... for your valuable help.

Dave... ofr your patience and great sounds.

Eddie... for taking care of all the ones and zeros

Steve Jordan... for our long and enduring friendship and for finding the heartbeat in my music, and bringing it to life.

Thanks to my mother, Michael and Sean

Thanks Evan, Jessica, and Sam for giving me the time.

Bruce for walking me through my shadows... with love... support and soul




What is the deal with these SHADOWS that Springsteen and Scialfa reference in their songs?

Seems to be a common theme among many musicians.

09-18-2007, 07:44 AM
Springsteen couldn't have come up with a better line in the MAGIC song other than?

"I'll cut you in half."

I wonder how his fans like that imagery.

Maybe he'll pull an audience member from the crowd and work his magic!!

09-18-2007, 11:30 AM
This is a most PATHETIC analogy of the song "Born to Run" and what it represented at the time:

Born to Run is deemed the 7th most perfect song according to British pop glossy Q.

"Born to Run is a song that struggles to be contained in just four and a half minutes. Epic in every sense of the word, Springsteen's hymn to a lost America crams in all the bombast and melodrama of a Hollywood blockbuster. Yet it's a song full of honest emotion. Written at a time when his career was in free fall and with the world around him in turmoil, Born to Run sounds as if Springsteen means every word.

Springsteen's hymn to a lost America??? He never once mentions America. He mentions a town that rips the bones from your back. He refers to himself and Wendy as tramps. Together they can break the trap, one day they'll walk in the sun, but until then, Tramps Like Us Baby we were Born to Run. Give me a break!! Oh, poor thing, the world around him was in turmoil. What was happening?

By 1974 America had lost faith in itself. The nation was in the grip of an energy crisis, was losing the war in Vietnam and reeling from the Watergate scandal. Meanwhile Springsteen's first two albums had failed to sell. He coined the phrase Born to Run believing it to be the name of a film he'd once seen and because it reflected the "cinematic drama" he wanted to create. In Springsteen's film he and his girl, Wendy, played doomed lovers. And inspired by his recent purchase of a '57 Chevy, he voiced the character's desire to flee their mundane existence and brought hope to an America overshadowed by fear and uncertainty".

Oh, yep. Born to Run addresses the faith that America had lost in herself, the nations' energy crisis, the war in Vietnam and the Watergate scandal. I guess that's why he mentions all of these in the song. Get real! He coined the phrase Born to Run BELIEVING it to be the name of a film he'd once seen??? He doesn't remember? Any films by the name Born to Run? This writer refers to the song "Born to Run" as a film. He and Wendy brought hope to America in this song because Springsteen voiced the character's desire to flee their mundane existence. Oh, please!!!!Real hope in the line, "I wanna die with you Wendy, on the streets tonight." Yes, such a hopeful song!! Get your head examined.

Not to shabby considering Born to Run is listed amongst Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit, Jeff Buckley's version of Hallelujah, Lou Reed's Perfect Day and the Beach Boys'classic God Only Knows.

I'd say this writer's review is pretty shabby and a bunch of psychobabble.

09-18-2007, 11:38 AM
Maybe this is the movie that Springsteen BELIEVES his song "Born to Run" was based upon.

Does he have long-term memory loss?

Does he have dementia?

He doesn't remember what provoked him to write a song about Wendy?

I guess it's because in the end as Springsteen says, "you have to look at a song and not know where it came from."


09-18-2007, 12:12 PM
Patti Scialfa facts:

David Sancious & Tone

In August 1974 Sancious and Carter left the E Street Band and formed their own band Tone with Gerald Carboy (bass). At various times the band would feature Patti Scialfa, Gayle Moran (from Return To Forever and The Mahavishnu Orchestra), and future Santana vocalist Alex Ligertwood. Springsteen encouraged Sancious in his solo career and made sure music executives heard his demos, leading to a contract with Epic Records.

Obviously, Springsteen and Scialfa go way back. Back to when she was a teenager. Maybe even when she was a "little girl."


Beginning in the late 1990s, Patti made this New York City department store her home away from home. According to rumor, she has told friends she is unconcerned with how her patronage of the upscale retailer will reflect on the blue-collar image of her husband (rock legend Bruce Springsteen), reportedly stating "Like those douchebag fans of his will cut me a break anyway!". She was also heard to remark, "The guy's a freakin' multi-millionaire! Where do these overgrown children expect him to shop? Wal-mart?", finally adding, "Is there anything sadder than a bunch of overweight, balding, middle-aged guys with a case of hero worship? I mean, get a life!".

WOW!! Scialfa doesn't care about Springsteen's blue-collar worker image. Does anyone really think Springsteen is a blue-collar worker or a hero for the blue-collar worker? If they do, I suggest they stop drinking the Bruce Kool-aid. Sounds as if Scialfa doesn't like having to play "pretend." Funny, she calls the fans, middle-aged, overweight, balding guys. No mention of females. I wonder if she's looked at her husband lately. What does she think he is? Not balding. Not middle-aged. Any less pathetic than his fans???

One poster says, Scialfa has one sweet hiney almost as if he's experienced it personally.

09-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Rehearsal again today with the E Street Band.

It was just so interesting and exciting for some of the fans to watch Springsteen pose for photographs next to a vintage car possibly for a future cover of Rolling Stone magazine.


Everyone reads that!!

He even posed against the railing with the ocean behind him.



Rolling Stone was taking photographs of Springsteen for a possible future cover of their magazine.

Like I said, incredible.

I wonder how they kept the crowd contained.

Springsteen must be really excited.

Afterall, being on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine is such an honor.

09-18-2007, 06:01 PM

Their hero was indirectly mentioned at the EMMY's.

Or, maybe their Daddy is more like it.

I really do think they're waiting for him to receive some type of recognition by the world at large for this "heroic" label they place upon him and know not why.

They just wish everyone would LOVE him the way that they do.

I wonder why?

Is it because they need validation for their sick "obsession?"


When the Sopranos won for best drama, David Chase thanked the Jersey music scene for their inspirationan and especially certain people (or certain people's music) that Little Stevie introduced him to..It was obvious he was referring to Bruce Springsteen! I can only think of one time a Bruce song was used in the Sopranos..It was when Tony was listening to tapes from an F.B.I. agent of what his own mother had said about him.. Anyone remember what song it was??? Also, when I looked online it said Bruce's State Trooper was used once in the show... Was this where?

Can you believe it? Springsteen's music was used several times on a show about organized crime in New Jersey?? David Chase thanked certain people that Little Stevie introduced him to. OH, my. OH, my. He must have been referring to THE BOSS man.

Again, incredible!

09-18-2007, 06:12 PM
Joel Selvin's (SF Chronicle) Review Of Play It As It Lays

"Patti Scialfa might be taken more seriously if she were not Mrs. Bruce Springsteen. Her records belong up there with Rosanne Cash, Emmylou Harris - any of the female rock auteurs of the day. Her third album, "Play It as It Lays," is a concise, 10-song set that clocks in at fewer than 40 minutes without a wasted moment. She's got a gift for pungent lyrics twisted around swampy, soulful grooves. Her husband adds some instrumental parts, but there are no George-and-Tammy moments. Scialfa can be sexy and light or resolute and scornful with equal authority - a grown-up woman searching for signs of life around her. In its solemnity of purpose, its dedication to her singular voice as a performer, "Play It as It Lays" is anything but a vanity project for a rock star's wife. Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it will be seen." - Joel Selvin, September 16, 2007


Oh, come now! Excuses. Excuses. Oh, yes, Scialfa has an impeccable voice, great guitar player, but because she's married to Springsteen, people won't notice her latest CD, "Play it as it Lays" as a work of art, but only as a vanity project for a rock star's wife.

Actually, Scialfa has way too many back-up singers and when used in the song "Like Any Woman Would," they just sound really corny. Whatever diddy they're repeating just sounds really corny. Scialfa never gets her songs off the ground. You keep waiting for her to break loss, but she doesn't.

Scialfa also does this thing where she gasps for air while she is singing.

Very distracting.

Yep. That's about how people see Faith Hill, isn't it? A vanity project for a famous country singer's wife. Why does Patti Scialfa need to be taken more seriously??? If her music were good, she would be. Excuses, excuses. I guess that's why Patti joined the E Street Band as a back up singer. I mean, the record companies were all over her, huh???

09-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Patti Scialfa was singing in bars at the age of 15. She's been in and around the music industry for a very long time. She's 53 or so.

She was a back-up singer for the Stones.

She joined the E Street Band as a back-up singer in her 30's.

Do you think the music mobsters just missed an incredible talent?


That's not what they look for, is it?

You don't have to be incredible; just enough talent; looks, sex appeal, stage presence for them to work with; enhance.

Obviously, she doesn't have it.

She's been with Springsteen for 20 years.

During this time, don't you think being married to him would have been publicity for her career/talent if she had what it takes to be famous in her own right?


It's obvious she doesn't display much talent in her role with the E Street Band.

Her talent isn't enough to give her the boost she needs to make it as a solo artist in her own right, so the blame is shifted to being Springsteen's wife; living in his shadow.

Just call a spade a spade already.

I assume Scialfa didn't have the foresight to know that she sabotaged her career when she had an affair with Springsteen; was with child while he was married and then wed.

Obviously, she didn't realize that marrying Springsteen would deter her from super stardom in the music industry.

It's the other way around. I highly doubt that anyone would know who she was musically if she wasn't married to Springsteen.

He's in the business, this should have been her rise to fame if she was truly the talented artist that so many want us to believe that she is.

Those are the facts.

09-19-2007, 07:02 AM
Why are people so stuck on Elivs?

There is something morbid about worshipping a dead guy the way people worship Elvis.

Obviously, Elvis' career was in decline.

Obviously, he's generated more money dead than he probably would have alive.

Last night on ABC's Elivs special, Patti Scialfa performed her song, "Looking for Elvis."

I'm wondering.

Did she know about this upcoming special and write this song so that she might have her time in the SPOTLIGHT as the Springsteen fanatics refer to it.

Elvis was entertainment.

Another "false" hero worship of a DEAD GUY!

I don't remember what she said when describing what her song meant, but certainly the ENTIRE song is not about Elivs.

Don't tell me "I'm standing when I'm on the floor," a line from her song.

Seems she follows the same MO as Springsteen. There always has to be an explanation about her songs, which make no sense, and the theme doesn't stick.

Before the commercial break the narrator said Patti Scialfa would be performing together with Bruce Springsteen.


Oh, the mystery.

Springsteen's mouth was seen on the harmonica or bullet mic.

One posters says Springsteen new it was Patti's song and her time in the spotlight and stayed in the background.


What is it with this talk about how Springsteen allows Patti her time in the spotlight?

Like, what was he going to do while they recorded this song for the special?

Jump out in front of her?

09-19-2007, 07:11 AM
"Trust none of what you hear
and less of what you see"

A line from Springsteen's Magic song.

A poster seriously thinks this is a DIG AT BUSH.

They grasp at straws to know that their hero is what they think he is, when he is not.

Another poster states:

With this song, and some others on the album, Springsteen has returned to a earlier style of placing political points subtly into the songs. The reference to truthiness can be seen in the line:

"So leave everything you know
Carry only what you fear"

That's a political point?? Say what you mean and mean what you say. If it's open to interpretation, it doesn't carry concrete meaning.

By convincing the public to make decisions based emotional responses such as fear, a politician (guess who) can trick them like a magician.

Yep and a musician who practices "mind control" on his fans can trick and string them along just like a politician, always looking for him to fulfill those promises and say what he means in his lyrics.

It is known in politics that people are more motivated by fear than optimism, and hence the emphasis on negative campaigning and scaremongering. This can allow politicians to justify the erosion of freedoms and the committing of atrocities.

Oh, that vivid imagination just leaves you wandering like a ghost amongst the trees. Thank goodness Springsteen has interpreters working for him.

"And the freedom that you sought
Driftin' like a ghost amongst the trees"

09-19-2007, 07:17 AM
PATTI SCIALFA Play It As It Lays (Columbia)

On her third solo album, Patti Scialfa – whose work will likely never achieve the critical attention it deserves because she's so easily dismissed as Bruce Springsteen's wife – manages a neat fusion of gospel, country blues, swampy rockabilly, Nashville soul and 1960s girl-group pop on a set of 10 original songs that provide evidence of a true artist with lots of interesting things to say. Beautifully arranged and elegantly performed by crack session musicians (including a wonderful string section and Springsteen on organ), these songs are melodically and lyrically inventive, and give Scialfa plenty of room to display her considerable vocal skills. Top track: "Looking For Elvis," for its wide-eyed invocation of possibility.

Greg Quill


Here we go again.

Always the excuse first. Her work will be dismissed because she's Springsteen's wife.

Now the fluff!!

"Looking for Elvis" if the top track according to this review, for its wide-eyed invocation of possibility.

Oh, yes.

The possibilities.

09-19-2007, 09:56 AM
A poster at BTX states:

If you don't understand that politics has directly underpinned Bruce's music for at least the last 25 years, you really don't understand him at all.



What politics?

The political song, "Born to Run?"


"I'm on the Prowl for a Wild Child?"


"Prove it all Night?"

Which political songs?

You'll be hard pressed to find any.

Maybe you're referring to his personal association with Skull and Bones member, John Kerry?

Or, the line in one of his songs:

"Welcome to the New World Order."

Or, his repeated reference to the Devil?

Unless you misinterpret his lyrics, like most of the fanatics due, searching for political meaning, he really doesn't have any political songs.

09-19-2007, 09:57 AM
Could be you're lookin' for another excuse as to why you worship him and the rest of the world doesn't?

09-19-2007, 10:03 AM
I'd have to agree with a poster at BTX about the Elivs special.

So why did Scialfa's orignal song, "Looking for Elivs" get played while everyone else is doing a tribute? Why does The Rock get to plug his new movie coming out that has an Elvis song or theme to it? Seems pretty crass, unless this is a blatant promotional vehicle rather than a tribute/documentary or sorts.


A blatant promotional vehicle would seem more like it.

Like I said, Elvis makes more money for them dead than alive.

09-19-2007, 10:07 AM
Oh, yeah, those pictures last night of Springsteen on the mouth harp during Scialfa's performance of "Looking for Elvis" were real cool!

Springsteen's mouth on a harp.

Imagine that!!


09-19-2007, 04:05 PM
Stop embarrassing yourself with these ridiculous interpretation's of Springsteen's songs.

The conditioning continues at the Springsteen Institute of Brainwashing and Mind Control.

A poster at BTX comments on Springsteen's song "My City of Ruins."

To me this song truly is the best Springsteen song since his renaissance started back in the late nineties. It was a testament that the Boss was not only still capable of good writing a good song but heart wrenching epics as well. My City of Ruins is one of those Springsteen songs that starts in a very clear defined setting but has a universal appeal to it. It proved to be as much NJ lament as it became the balm for NY and New Orleans or any other city in disarray. My City of Ruins transcends the content of its lyrics.

Oh, yes. Next time there's a city in disarray, let's pull out this Springsteen song and cheer all the residents up. Yep. Those heart-wrenching Springsteen songs. Misery loves company.

The first two verses deal with the crumbling of NJ, or at least that is what it was written for. From the eerie opening line (was there a violent incident) to the men on the corner like scattered leaves (was there ever a better metaphor for gangs on the streets) to the brother kneeling in church, the song takes us along the NJ streets. But anybody who’s lived or been to the inner-city ghettos around the world will recognize these scenes.

When did New Jersey crumble? I must have missed that one. Did they play this anthem song of Springsteen's during the disarray? Did Springsteen grow-up in the New Jersey ghetto? An all purpose song by Springsteen to be played after the next terrorist attack on an American city.

There is a blood red circle
On the cold dark ground
And the rain is falling down
The church door's thrown open
I can hear the organ's song
But the congregation's gone
My city of ruins
My city of ruins

Now the sweet bells of mercy
Drift through the evening trees
Young men on the corner
Like scattered leaves,
The boarded up windows,
The empty streets
While my brother's down on his knees
My city of ruins
My city of ruins

In the chorus Springsteen lets his heart bleed. He not only lets you feel him mourning for his city but allows you to mourn along. Of course he wouldn’t be the man he is if that very mourning wasn’t infused in a very staunch resistance, an appeal to the future. He wouldn’t be Springsteen if the chorus wasn’t transcending, cathartic.

When is his heart not bleeding? Everybody loves a bleeding heart, eh? When is he not mourning? Great analogy. Springsteen wouldn't be Springsteen if he weren't Springsteen.

It is in that chorus where Springsteen takes the already universal appeal of the song to inner cities to an even higher level. It is that chorus that made it so fitting in the aftermath of 9/11 or Katrina. With his hand stretched firmly out Springsteen reaches out with an appeal, provides the balm and reassurance in a very difficult time.

Now we have a song that is an all purpose anthem for inner cities. City of Ruins, according to one writer, WAS WRITTEN BEFORE 911. Oh, yes. Springsteen stretches out his hand and with these hands he heals all just like MAGIC. It's music, pal. Get a grip.

Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!
Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!
Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!

Then suddenly the song shifts to the individual, making the song smaller than it was. Universal enough to apply to any of us but small enough to allow you your own individuality, to give you your place in the often overpowering events or currents that causes cities to crumble. The chorus shows us who deprivation hit, who the terrorists of 9/11 hurt, who’s lives were irrevocably changed by Katrina and the negligence of president Bystander. Whether the protagonist lost his or her partner because of the inability to cope with the inner-city realities, lost a loved one in the Twin Towers or had his or her life and love taken from him by Katrina, the disorienting emotions of that verse are the blue print for any one who’s grieving his or her losses.

Springsteen adds something for everyone in his song, "My City of Ruins." He incorporated a universal and individual appeal in this song. What a hero. This poster says the songs give you your place in the often overpowering events or currents that cause cities to crumble. Oh, yes. Cities often crumble when leaders allow for it. Crumbling cities every time I look around. The song is now a blueprint for anyone who is grieving a loss.

Now's there's tears on the pillow
Darlin' where we slept
And you took my heart when you left
Without your sweet kiss
My soul is lost, my friend
Tell me how do I begin again?
My city's in ruins
My city's in ruins

From there the song lifts us up again. Very unusual for Springsteen in direct prayer. Either Springsteen introduces a preacher into the song or this is one of the few songs where he bluntly acknowledges his faith. Either way the song takes us into prayer, Springsteen tries to offer us something to hold on to, to find our strength in but he also just offers his prayers, thoughts and sympathies for those who have been struck.

Since Springsteen drug you into his dark world/hole, apparently you need his music to lift you out. It's called co-dependency. It ain't healthy and, in case you haven't noticed, his music is immoral and depressing at best.

Now with these hands,
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray Lord
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray for the strength, Lord
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray for the faith, Lord
We pray for your love, Lord
We pray for the lost, Lord
We pray for this world, Lord
We pray for the strength, Lord
We pray for the strength, Lord

Come on
Come on
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up

My City of Ruins is an epic and as many epics it can be a bit overpowering at times. But you have to try very hard not to be affected by it.

Correction. YOU consider "My City of Ruins" an epic. Speak for yourself. Oh, I forgot. Your conditioning the children to think like you about Springsteen's masterpiece. You have to try very hard not to be affected by it?? Who? You??Can't this man ever write a song with a theme; stick to it without incorporating some little girl or darlin' who is missing, left him, broken-hearted? How pathetic these men who sing these love songs.

09-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Are you kidding me?

Sue a musician because they've used the same title, the same chords, whatever, from another artist's song.

Give me a break.

It happens all the time.

Do you seriously think Springsteen composes all of the music to his songs?

The E Street Band members don't collaborate with him on lyrics or music.

They deliver the goods to them and they practice and rehearse.

The music mobsters own the rights to everything. The musicians, the songs.


If a lawsuit occurred, it would be in the name of a musician against another, but on behalf of the music mobsters.

The music mobsters feed their musicians.

They keep clothes on their back and support their wealthy lifestyles.

They take care of musicians and the musicians take care of them.

One hand feeds the other.

09-19-2007, 06:06 PM

A sneak preview.



Seriously, folks.

Can you believe it?

A picture of Springsteen.

My eyes have seen the Glory of the coming of the Lord.

09-19-2007, 06:45 PM
I just watched this interview with Patti Scialfa.


Scialfa has released three CD's spanning her entire music career and she speaks as if she is recognized world-wide as a genius lyricist.

Sounds just like Springsteen.

Anyway, the explanation she presents about her "Looking for Elvis" song is so shallow.

According to Scialfa, Elvis symbolized the American dream.


Elvis overdosed on drugs.

He was used by the "music mobsters."

He was controlled by the "music mobsters."

Didn't your husband once yell at a show, "Elvis is Alive?"

Do you think he's alive, too?

Scialfa likes to write about darkness, she says in the interview.


Maybe your husband ought to give you some pointers, cause you haven't reached his depths yet.

The Prince and Princess of Darkness.

Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa.

She loves being referred to as the "oral sex" "Red-headed Woman," doesn't she?

This is how the interviewer introduced her.

09-19-2007, 06:46 PM
Scratch that!

09-19-2007, 07:58 PM
Hidin' on THEM backstreets.

Me and TERRY were lovers.

If Springsteen hasn't already conveyed to you in his lyrics that he's a homosexual deviant, you must be in an altered state of consciousness.

Worshipping an immoral and perverse individual.

Not just the fanatics, but the music critics who write about him, as well.

09-19-2007, 09:08 PM
Oh, yes, PAM, I'm tryin' to make it to an E Street Band rehearsal show.

I mean, what else do I have to do with my life other than watch these old geezers rehearse?

A poster at BTX comments:

I've read more than one post that referred to another "Tracks" box set being in the works - is this confirmed by anyone close to Springsteen and his management? Or is it just wishful thinking by fans? Everybody knows that there is plenty of material out there, so it is certainly possible...Fall '08 would be nice, huh?

Oh, my. The tour hasn't even started yet and this poster is wondering about a "Tracks" box set being in the works.

Oh, yes. Everyone knows there are plenty of songs in the vault not worthy of being on a CD that could be released on a "Tracks" box set.

As long as you're ready, willing and able to buy it, why not package it for the fans. I'm sure they'll think their leader just gave them the answers to the Universe.

Certainly, Fall '08 would be nice.

Will give you something to look forward to.

09-20-2007, 07:43 AM
A poster at BTX responds to another poster's comment that along the Jersey music scene Scialfa was known as "Parking Lot Patti," as if the poster who wrote this is Julianne Philips.

The poster further comments that the "Parking Lot Patti" label is an urban myth and it shouldn't be cited unless by a reputable source.

How reputable could a source be who would know if this label is fact or fiction?

The poster also says to keep in mind this woman has children who probably read this board from time to time. Would you like to read this sort of crap about your mother?


How hypocritical.

That's mild compared to what else is written on the site; in particular when Holy Bruce was posting.

The woman, Patti Scialfa, allows her adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt that speaks to oral sex between her parents as in the song, "Red-headed Woman."

If that isn't an indication of where Scialfa and Springsteen's morals lie, and their concern about their children, I don't know what is.

We don't have to rehash.

I'm sure their kids read the lyrics to "Reno" and the interview where Scialfa says she drank a lot of Tequila, had to get drunk to bring out the girl who was flirting in the song.

Or, Springsteen's numerous sexually deviant songs.

Or, Scialfa asking about "foreplay" during an interview.

You know, come on.

Oh, yes.

Protect the children from reading that their mother may have been referred to as "Parking Lot Patti" before she married Springsteen.

I'm sure they don't know that Springsteen was married while he had an affair with Scialfa and she with him and was with child before he divorced Julianne.

I'm sure the kids haven't seen the picture of Springsteen in a passionate kiss with Clarence.

I'm sure the kids haven't seen the picture of Springsteen and Scialfa on the balcony in his boxers while he was married to Julianne.

Yes. Protect the children.

I don't think they're capable.

09-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Mind Control in the Field of Art


It's strange that I have always harbored a memory that I had a twin who died at birth.

I don't think this is true.

Could be about Presley.

09-20-2007, 07:44 PM
This is one strange thread over at "The Promised Land" at BTX.

"Will Bruce be Mad?"

Who cares????


Certainly, Springsteen needs the exposure. Obviously, he knew the MAGIC CD was leaked.

In reality, it wasn't leaked.


Somebody outside of the Springsteen camp got their hands on it and leaked it on the internet?

It was purposely loaded onto the internet.

Like I said, Springsteen, needs all the publicity he can get.

09-20-2007, 08:38 PM
A poster at BTX states the following about Scialfa's CD, "Play it as it Lays:"

production quality is excellent...

much of it seems extremely personal...

do yourself a favor... if you haven't, grab yourself a copy... it's ... ah.... magical.



Operative word is "SEEMS."

Oh, yes, "Looking for Elvis" is so personal.

So, too, is "Like Any Woman Would" and "A Town Called Heartbreak."

Just what I'm looking for in a musician's songs are extremely personal lyrics.

KEEP your sexually deviant behavior to yourself, forgoodness sakes, for the welfare of your children.

Although the damage has been done, you should both still seek help before it's too late to do so.

Springsteen's fans seems to thrive on his and Scialfa's immoral behavior depicted in the lyrics to their songs.

Most of the reviews about Scialfa's CD focus around how personal it is. As if anyone cares about her personal life.

Disgusting, to say the least.

Springsteen and Scialfa aired out their immoral personal life publicly with the rest of their dirty laundry a long time ago.

09-20-2007, 09:23 PM
The Magic CD hasn't been released yet, only through the Internet, but there have been several covers already of various songs.

One posters thinks this indicates how good the CD is.

To the contrary.

It indicates how simplistic and unoriginal in that it is so easy to cover.

Those who are covering some of the songs are amateurs.

The Magic CD is an amateur production, especially with all the rip-off music and lyrics.

09-20-2007, 09:32 PM

This will be the FIRST FULL "E Street Band" tour in four years.


Imagine that.

The fanatics have waited, anticipated for an entire four years.

The have waited for this moment and this moment shall come to pass.

What does FULL "E Street Band" tour mean?

Haven't the usual band members comprised the previous "E Street Band" tours, thereby making it a FULL "E Street Band" tour?

Were some band members missing during previous "E Street Band" tours?

09-20-2007, 09:38 PM
One poster comments on the realization that one of the lines in Springsteen's song, "Magic" is similar to a line in Marvin Gaye's song, "Heard it Through the Grapevine."

He says:

Even if it's a variation of Gaye's message and Bruce liked it and did his own take...no big deal to me. This is Bruce - we all know his talent is hall of fame level - he is a great songwriter....


Most of them are inducted into the Hall of Fame. It has nothing to do with being a talent worthy of hall of fame level.

Springsteen isn't special.

There were hundreds before him and there will be thousands after him.

He's a rip-off artist.

He should be in the "rip-off artist hall of fame."

09-21-2007, 11:03 AM
Bruce Springsteen: Under Review-1978-82: Tale of the Working Man (2007)

Product Description

Although Bruce Springsteens huge body of work has had its highs and its not so highs, there is one distinct period within his career that remains, almost inarguably, his most creative, consistent, and satisfying. We talk of course of the trilogy of albums he released between 1978 and 1982, comprising Darkness On The Edge Of Town, The River and Nebraska. Across these records Bruces storytelling was up there with Steinbecks, his songs ranked with Dylans best and the live shows were as exciting as anything James Brown had ever delivered. This documentary film looks again at these albums, and the shows he performed around them.


Four years of a most creative period and then downward spiral began.


I believe a music critic mentioned in an article on this thread that Springsteen hasn't been popular since the 80's.

That's a long time folks since his short period of popularity.

Do yourself a favor, and don't compare Springsteen's storytelling to Steinbeck until you've read the lyrics to the three albums you have just cited.

Most people aren't looking for a storytelling musician when they chose the music they want to listen to.

Besides, most of it isn't storytelling.

It's Springsteen talking pieces of his life, incorporating them in song, drifting in and out from one altered state to another; embedding triggers and basically keeping his loyal cult following fan base in a "trance" state of worship of him.

Lot's of storytellin' revolves around little girls and sexually deviant behavior and violence.

I wouldn't consider that a comparison to Steinbeck.

Who bought the album Nebraska, anyway?

09-21-2007, 11:07 AM
What about Carrie Underwood?



JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL (http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/audio/song/jesus_take_the_wheel.mp3)

09-21-2007, 08:56 PM
Lord, have Mercy!

09-21-2007, 10:15 PM
"Making Love to Bruce" is the title of one of the threads at the BTX "Promised Land."

The "Political World" has been moved to a "safe place."


Who knows what the song is about and who cares?

If you like wasting your time trying to figure it out, be my guest.

I'll give you a tip.

Sexually deviant behavior is the theme throughout many of his songs.

09-22-2007, 09:24 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Lord, have Mercy!

You can say that again!


09-22-2007, 10:39 AM
My comment, "Lord, have Mercy!" was not made in response to any comment that George_Bush made on this thread and/or pictures that he posted.

09-22-2007, 11:06 AM
Don't fret.

Have no fear.

Rock 'n' Roll is alive and well because the "E Street Band," after four long years will be touring again.


We're under a "brutal dictatorship" in the USA, but have no fear, The Boss will play a heroic part in saving Rock 'n' Roll.

Is Springsteen under the illusion that somehow Rock 'n' Roll died during the past four years?

09-22-2007, 11:08 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
My comment, "Lord, have Mercy!" was not made in response to any comment that George_Bush made on this thread and/or pictures that he posted.

Fine! Be that way! I'm just trying to get to the bottom of a tense situation!


09-22-2007, 11:22 AM
I mean I'm new to this stuff. I'm just a regular, law-abiding, tax-paying (when I have a job) citizen.

I've heard people say stuff about music industry and Illuminati.

But Carrie Underwood?

She's cute! I love her!

And I'd just like to say that it's not because of the 'genre' she sings, or her American Idol fame, or even her entertainment value with me. I'm not 'Starstruck', ok.

It's her looks and her body that draw me to her.


09-22-2007, 11:30 AM
And I also love her because she helps children.

Carrie...I'll stand by you too! :cry:


09-22-2007, 11:45 AM
Ok...so like...what about Polyphonic Spree?

LIGHT AND DAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQAvflPexng&mode=related&search=)

09-22-2007, 11:49 AM
And what aboot 5th Dimension, man?!!

DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONF0zJz2Oo&mode=related&search=)

I mean, that's SOOO Star Trek, man!

They're like floating on some hoverpod or something....they're just floating out in the steller regions and stuff, man!

I mean it's like....every cloud has a silver lining, man!!!

Yeah...it's like the Moon in someone's House and Leo aligned with Martians...and Peace, man!

I mean the VIBES man! The (((((VIBES))))!!!

09-22-2007, 01:38 PM
Apparently, this site doesn't know when Springsteen's birthday is.


09-22-2007, 01:41 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Apparently, this site doesn't know when Springsteen's birthday is.







09-22-2007, 01:51 PM
I wonder why they don't have the correct birthday for a world renowned hero!

09-22-2007, 02:01 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I wonder why they don't have the correct birthday for a world renowned hero!



Sept. 23 is my Birthday too!

I cannot believe this! I share a Birthday with the BOSS!


Well, then...I guess IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE BOSS ROCK MAN!!!

Bruce Springsteen-Born In The U.S.A.! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk&mode=related&search=)

Just look at that guy :-D Even '85 he was a living fossil.

Yeah, ROCK ON '85!

09-22-2007, 02:43 PM
2Hearts is actually keeping the percentage of votes between Jason and Springsteen.


Oh, they just want their BOY to always win something no matter how trivial!

This validates THEIR obsession.

09-23-2007, 06:58 AM
How generous. The proceeds from ticket sales for the "E Street Band" rehearsal shows will be donated to charity.

How many will be in attendance?

What is the deal with all the ticket confusion?

I have never seen anything like it.

Fanatics bought GA admission, but received tickets with seat numbers.

A show is on this date, but then changed because of a conflict, but no conflict on the calendar.

Fans were shut out.

Ticket drops!

Oh, the drama.

Oh, the anxiety in trying to get a ticket.

Makes it all the more precious, doesn't it?

09-23-2007, 04:24 PM
Hair here, hair there, hair everywhere;


Where does he get that hair?

One day MISSING!

The next day.

Hair, everywhere!


Notice the picture of Springsteen standing against a brick wall.

Seems like he's holding the wall up.

Notice the band promo picture for Magic.

Again, against a wall.

Seems like he's always holding the wall up.

Or, up against the wall.

Or, the wall his holding him up.

They're working in concert with one another.

09-23-2007, 04:29 PM
Oh, please, thanking the HAWK for the Bruce Brunch every Sunday because:

"You took me back this morning mi amigo. To the days of Rock and Roll on the radio when there was this wonderful feeling of community and possibilities."


Rock 'n' Rokll gives you a wonderful feeling of community and possibilities??


A feeling, alright.

That's about it.

09-23-2007, 04:33 PM
Don't take a bathroom break during a song you can't stand hearing Springsteen play, cause the other fans feel embarrassed for him.

Too many people out of their seats, wandering around and not paying complete attention to him.

Also, as Gaz says, why would you want to take a break?

Sit for 2-1/2 or 3 hours without leaving your seat as you might miss the brilliant Springsteen.

When Patti starts yoddeling with him, just put your earplugs in.

Or, better yet.

Stay at home.

You won't be missing anything extraordinary.

09-23-2007, 05:37 PM
A poster at BTX asks other fanatics about their thoughts regarding a movie about Springsteen's life.

Hasn't Springsteen's PERSONAL life already been played out in PUBLIC?

Hasn't his sexually deviant lifestyle already been depicted in his songs?

I mean, what would you include in a movie?

His connection to the "satanic cult?"

His abuse of me as a child while incarcerated in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used in the music industry as a sex slave and Springsteen my main handler/controller/abuser?

That would be something the PUBLIC doesn't yet know about him.

09-23-2007, 06:39 PM
Starting two threads about the same irrelevant subject matter; whatever that may be, on the same day is about as worthy as Bruce Springsteen appearing on the cover of Newsweek and Time magazines in the same week.

09-23-2007, 06:44 PM
Livin' in the Future from Springsteen's new Magic CD sounds similar to many of his other songs, according to the fanatics.

Maybe they've finally picked up on something.

Same sounds, tones, words listened to over long periods of time can produce altered states of consciousness, hypnotic trances.

09-23-2007, 06:50 PM
The fanatics are concerned that Springsteen and "The E Street Band" haven't practiced enough for the upcoming tour.

One poster states:

We should all just relax This happens every tour. I remember people at the very beginning of the Rising Tour saying he wasn't as good a live performer as he used to be. Three months later he was God again.


So, you went to his shows for three months until he turned into GOD again.

BRUCE IS GOD according to this fanatic.


09-23-2007, 06:54 PM
Bruce Springsteen
Esquire Magazine


This is the most incomprehensible piece of written material I have ever read.

09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
Springsteen #2 in Concert Ticket Sales.


I think the fanatic who posted this is "imagining things."


He says:

right behind Hanna Montana and ahead of Van Halen. and tour hasn't even offiicially started yet.

I just read this in my local paper and it had a recent pic of Bruce so it must be true

of course we all knew that with venues selling out within minutes

here's the link, on the right under Top Concerts

I'm sure glad he's beaten our Celine Dion and Van Halen.


OUR Celine Dion and Van Halen!


09-23-2007, 07:31 PM
The reason so MANY days off in between "The E Street Band's" upcoming tour is not because demand is lacking, but, because, accoridng to Gaz:

(These operatives always have a way of interjecting and fabricating reasons when issues are raised)

Bruce isnt 25 anymore. He has a family. He wants to spend time with them. The rest of the E Street band have lives too. They're entitled to nights off as often as they want.


They're old.

Isn't that what you meant to say and also that the demand doesn't exist.

As far as family.

If you're referring to his wife.

She'll be with him.

As far as his children.

Do they take time away from school to tour with their mother and father?


09-23-2007, 08:04 PM
Here we go again.

A poster asks why there are so few weekend dates on Springsteen's upcoming tour.

"I was looking for road trips and realized there are very few weekend shows. In approximately 7 weeks of the US tour, counting AP and not counting Today, there are: 7 Monday shows; 3 Tuesday; 3 Wednesday; 2 Thursday; 3 Friday; only 1 Saturday (Philadelphia, which also gets one of the three Fridays); and 5 Sundays. Any idea why so few Friday, and especially Saturday, concerts?"

Another poster replies:

Just a guess, but maybe he wants to be home with his family on the weekends

So, all of the band members are going to fly back and forth to New Jersey and/or their respective cities of residence to be with their children on the weekend? All of a sudden this is a concern? Seems children need you more when they're younger.

Another poster has a different explanation:

Primary reason not too many "prime night" shows, venue rental/lease fees are probably prohibitively higher for those nights.

Oh, forgoodnesssakes. The excuses are so lame. Now, the music industry and their cash cow, Springsteen (maybe he hasn't been a cash cow for a long time) can't afford higher rental rates for specific venues on the weekend??? But, I thought anyone would do anything to accommodate him. After all, he is GOD. With such a lucrative contract, you would think they could afford to pay for higher priced venues. Perhaps, the shows aren't selling and, therefore, the music mobsters aren't acquiring the funds they need to pay for higher priced nights such as the weekend. Who wants to go to a show on a week day?

Here's yet another excuse:

Another reason may be that this time of the year many of the venues' weekend dates are already filled with professional hockey and basketball dates. They get first crack at those dates.

Springsteen's tours usually occur at this time of the year. Why is it different now?

Another poster adds:

hockey and basketball teams play games as often during the week as weekends. i will guess that bs wants to have the weekends off as much as possible in order to hang with the kids.

Yep. Now that Springsteen's kids are teenagers, he needs the weekends off to hang with them. Oh, what a picture perfect father he is.

Yet another:

hE'S THINKING OF US - HE DOESNt want us to spend all our money chasing him around on the weekends. He knows we are still middle class.

What? So it's better you take off work and spend your money chasing him on the week days? Funny, I remember during a Seeger Sessions tour show overseas, Springsteen had the audacity to ask the audience, don't your co-workers wonder where you are?

So much for being a "working class hero."

09-23-2007, 08:12 PM
A DROP LINE for tickets for a rehearsal show in Asbury Park?


Oh, by the way.

What radio station did Springsteen have on today on the boardwalk in order to muffle the sounds of the SETLIST they were practicing inside the Convention Center?

It's really important that I know.

09-23-2007, 08:16 PM
Is Springsteen going to be on Good Morning America tomorrow?

I need to know.


They way he and Scialfa market their product through mainstream media is bizarre.

Well, not really.

You can understand.

But, honestly.

So, much goes into their marketing and I don't think it pays off.

Bruce Springsteen on Good Morning, America??

That just seems, kind of, like so unbefitting.

Does anyone care other than his hardcore fanbase?

I don't think so.

09-23-2007, 08:20 PM
Sorry, but when one day you have a receding hairline and obviously look like you are balding and the next day on the MAGIC CD cover you have a full head of hair, it's not called don't get a hair cut and mousse.

It's called either plugs or a "hairpiece."

09-23-2007, 08:21 PM
Springsteen is wearing a hairpiece.

09-23-2007, 08:23 PM
One poster says that Bruce could be as bald as a que ball and he wouldn't care.

Ah, but the women would and so, too, might the homosexual fans.

09-23-2007, 09:10 PM
I know you are looking out for my welfare and I thank you.

However, I must express that it is annoying when I receive those messages.

Although I understand you have my best interest at heart, you must also understand how much I resent any type of control.

The flip side is that it is comforting as well.

My deepest respect and regards.

Thank you!

In Peace,

09-23-2007, 10:04 PM
An hour-long interview with Springsteen and Charlie Rose.


I watched the first few minutes and it was like, okay, I get it.

You're a musician.


One poster at BTX said that "The Man" had a lot to say.


Like what?

09-23-2007, 10:08 PM
Oh, jeez, now the fanatics have to deal with wondering how the "wristband" hand-outs on the aftertoon of a show work.

Man, it just ain't worth it.

Such obstacles they have to deal with.

Jump through this hoop, jump through that hoop.

And, if you do, you might get a Springsteen ticket.

Go through barricades that have been purposely placed in front of you.

And, when you make it through.

You are a winner!

You get to see Springsteen and "The E Stret Band" making one last wheezing tour through the USA and abroad.

What lucky people you are.

You will go down in history.

09-24-2007, 05:59 PM
A line from one of Springsteen's new songs on the CD MAGIC below.

I think the song is "Livin' in the Future."

Something like:

When we kissed, I could taste the BLOOD ON YOUR TONGUE.

One poster thinks this refers to the person who has blood on his/her tongue as BEING ON FIRE sexually.


What person in their right mind would want to kiss someone and taste blood on their tongue?

Imagery and/or visual.


About as grotesque as the lyric in the song MAGIC, "I need a volunteer, I'll cut you in half."

I think the man's violent tendencies and sexual deviant behavior clearly show through in his lyrics along with multiple personalities and many other psychological problems.

09-24-2007, 06:55 PM
The comment at BTX about the kiss and taste of blood on the person's tongue in the song, "Livin' in the Future" (could be a little girl, a man, a prostitute, a woman. Never know with Springsteen) was under the Thread Title, "Like When We Kiss, the song, and then the reference to "oooohhhh, FIRE."

I don't think FIRE is mentioned in the "Livin' in the Future" song on Springsteen's MAGIC CD.

I believe the "When We Kiss," (if that's the correct song tile) is a Springsteen song, but was covered by another band and was a BIG hit.

Just don't feel like researching it right now.

Anyway, included in the first poster's comment was a link to a you tube video of Springsteen performing "Kitty's Back."

The point is.

You've got the FIRE reference and "kitty cat" reference.

Most importantly is the song title itself.


09-25-2007, 03:07 PM
Livin' in the Future
Bruce Springsteen

A letter come blowin' in on an ill wind
Somethin' 'bout me and you
Never seein' one another again
Yeah, well I knew it'd come
Still I was struck deaf and dumb
Like when we kissed
That taste of blood on your tongue

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

Woke up election day
Skies gunpowder and shades of grey
Beneath a dirty sun, I whistle my time away
Then just about sundown
You come walkin' through town
Your boot heels clickin'
Like the barrel of a pistol spinnin' round

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

The earth it gave away
The sea rose toward the sun
I opened up my heart to you
It got all damaged and undone
My ship Liberty sailed away on
A bloody red horizon
The groundskeeper opened the gates
And let the wild dogs run


I'm rollin' through town
A lost cowboy at sundown
Got my monkey on a leash
Got my ear tuned to the ground
My faith's been torn asunder
Tell me is that rollin' thunder
Or just the sinkin' sound
Of somethin' righteous goin' under

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet


Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na


Are Springsteen's fans dumb enough to believe that this song is about wiretapping and the torture going on in the USA?

Yes, they are.

According to the link below.

What a LIAR Springsteen is.

I wonder what TORTURE is going on in the USA that he knows about?

Please enlighten us.

Notice the first comment on the thread/link posted below is about how the song was so bad at the rehearsal show this poster thinks he'll SLIT his wrists.

Notice how accommodating another fanatic is and supplies the razor blade.

Good thing the author of this thread isn't a MIND CONTROL victim.

Otherwise, the mere SUGGESTION might propel him into action.


09-25-2007, 03:19 PM
WOW! That didn't take long!


Five-six days of rehearsals and "The E Street Band" sounds horrible, according to the fanatics who attended a rehearsal show.

The irony is that so many of these fanatics sounds as if they can't stand anything the man does.

Are they glutens for punishment?

Or, desperately hoping that what they thought he was will one day appear?

What the MEDIA and the man, himself, convinced them he was.

Whatever the hell that is.

Maybe they're mind control victims, eh?

They're drawn to their controller because he has exerted power over them for a very long time.

They're prisoners in his world.

They can't break free of him.

They must continue to worship that which they obviously can't seem to stand.

They are without free will.

09-25-2007, 05:07 PM
Did these fans actually pay $100.00 to see a "rehearsal show?"


Some people never cease to amaze me.

09-25-2007, 05:08 PM
Who is this man singing about now?

A verse from "Livin' in the Future."


The earth it gave away
The sea rose toward the sun
I opened up my heart to you
It got all damaged and undone
My ship Liberty sailed away on
A bloody red horizon
The groundskeeper opened the gates
And let the wild dogs run


Springsteen opened his heart to Patti and it got all damaged and undone??

09-25-2007, 07:06 PM
Don't you wish we could all be music critcs who were paid to write lies about Springsteen and his music?


Springsteen gets the E Street Band together for one more classic album, "Magic."Rating: Four stars

September 25, 2007 -- MUSICAL styles flip fast, but Bruce Springsteen, who turned 58 on Sunday, didn't reinvent himself - or his sound - for his new album "Magic." The record - yes, vinyl - is in stores today.

No reinventing. The same ole' bleeding heart, nonsensical songs. Like I said, misery loves company (i.e., his fans.).

Like a throwback to the '80s, or the best tunes in Springsteen's songbook, "Magic" tames the wild world we live in through simple yet vivid story-songs - the kind of gritty American poetry that Woody Guthrie pioneered.

Sorry, but it's not the same gritty American poetry that Woody Guthrie pioneered. It's the same ole,' same ole' Springsteen. He tames the wild world we live in??? Huh?? Simple and vivid story-songs?? Sorry, not simple or vivid. Simply non sensical.

That said, "Magic" is a kick-ass rock record that finds its inspiration and musical references on E Street - from the three-guitar attack and bell-like piano to the considerable sax appeal of Clarence Clemons. It's the Boss' first album with the E Street Band since 2002's "The Rising."

[b]Oh, my. The first album sine 2002. Such a long wait.

Springsteen knows how good this record is - he demonstrated it last night with a rehearsal show in Asbury Park. He's so pleased with it, in fact, that he moved up the vinyl release from the CD's official Oct. 2 release date.

He moved up the vinyl release so it could qualify for a Grammy.

While today's specialty drop does little for sales, by releasing the LP platter before the Recording Academy's Sept. 30 cutoff date, "Magic" becomes eligible for this year's Grammy consideration.

You just contradicted yourself. You're a music critic, but don't know how the voting process works?

Bruce has won 15 Grammys over the years, but he's never snagged the top prize - Album of the Year. In a lackluster 2007, "Magic" has considerable charm and will be a very strong contender indeed at Grammy's big 50th-anniversary celebration in February.

Well, maybe they'll appease him this time and give him the award he's been waiting for all of his life. You know, the American hero that he is and all.

He may have to work on an acceptance speech, but that's all he has to work on. For the record, he and his longtime E Street partners have their sound honed to a razor's edge.

I'm sure his handler's will write it for him.

Opener "Radio Nowhere" starts with a crash of guitars against Max Weinberg's powerhouse drumming. Bruce's singing is dramatic as he describes sitting at the wheel, driving through the night, trying to find his way home. Alone and on the road, he takes comfort in rock 'n' roll.

Max Weinberg's powerhouse drumming??? Huh?? Gee. How'd you come up with that interpretation? Why is he lost? He doesn't know he lives in New Jersey?

Springsteen conjures pleading in his voice. There's urgency for sweet music, and then the Big Man peppers the melody with a searing sax solo. It's perfect.

He's always pleading. What else is new? Oh, yes, throughout the song, "Radio Nowhere, the lyrics say that there is an urgency for sweet music and then the Big Man peppers the melody with a searing sax solo. What have you been drinking? Nowhere within the song do the lyrics suggest there is an urgency for sweet music.

"Radio Nowhere" sets the tone of the record, from the classic Springsteen riffs on the American experience of being on the road, trying to get back home.

[b]This man's been tryin' to get back home for decades. Maybe somebody ought to tell him to follow the "Yellow Brick Road."

While themes like the fleeting nature of youth and beauty pop up in "You'll Be Coming Down" and the notion of personal responsibility is at the core of "Your Own Worst Enemy," the get-back-home nostalgia is a main ingredient in "Magic."

Thanks for the explanation. Now, these songs make perfect sense.

On the breezy "Girls in Their Summer Clothes," Bruce paints a portrait of small-town life down the Jersey shore; in "Gypsy Biker" there's a longing for the freedom of a tank of gas and from the ties that bind; in "I'll Work For Your Love," lust wrestles with Catholic guilt.

Why does he long for freedom from the ties that bind? He's not happy in his marriage? Oh, yes. Poor, Springsteen and that Catholic guilt and all.

It's all simple, yet powerful stuff.

Couldn't agree with you more. Simply incomprehensible.

The best song on this excellent record is "Living in the Future." With solid musical references to the E Street classic "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out," it's a standout. Bruce's vocals are bouncy and syncopated when delivering lines like "Woke up election day/ Sky's gunpowder grey/ Beneath the dirty sun/ I whistle my time away." With a melody like this - complete with tailgating Clemons sax solo and the sing-song "Na na na na-nas" - the song's darker side might be missed.

We're so glad that you're able to tell us about the song's darker side that has been LOST!! Maybe it's been LOST because it doesn't have a darker side.

Throughout the record Springsteen obscures and disguises his politics with heartland rock and descriptive lyrics. Take the powerful ballad "Long Walk Home." While this small-town snapshot sounds like he's again trying to capture lost America he redirects you with the midsong verse: "Your flag flyin' over the courthouse/ Means certain things are set in stone/ Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't / It's gonna be a long walk home."

Springsteen obscures and disguises his politics?? They don't exist. Therefore, they're not obscured or disguised. Why does he obscure and disguise them? So, they can pay people like you to write lies about his lyrics? Otherwise, his records wouldn't sell. Sing what you mean. Again tryin' to capture the same ole,' same ole.' Small town, lost America. Yep. That's exactly what the flag means. Certain things are set in stone. Who we are and what we'll do and what we won't. Exactly what I think every time I see an American flag.

Many of the lyrics here can be taken on a number of levels, from poetry to protest, but what all of these songs share is a feeling of heart and soul that demands to be played live. Springsteen and company will get their chance when they play the Garden Oct. 17 and 18.

The lyrics in any of the songs on MAGIC cannot be taken as PROTEST, that's why they pay people like you. To suggest such. These songs have no heart and soul. What would that be? Cut you in half? Blood on your tongue?

09-25-2007, 07:59 PM

The Boss is back in charge

In charge of what? You? They need to sell his music so don't expect many negative reviews. However, it's the box office that counts, too.

Bruce Springsteen's latest album and tour will see him roaring with renewed energy and anger, says Neil McCormick

Renewed anger?? Oh, lovely.

Showman: Springsteen is the master of subtle musical narrative

Springsteen is the master of nothing.

There are thundering drums, a towering wall of chugging, chiming, riffing guitars through which a raw, wailing sax is trying to punch a hole, while a gruff, desperate voice calls: "Is there anybody alive out there?" It is the return of Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, laying their marker down with roaring rocker Radio Nowhere.

A desperate voice, alright. Does Springsteen's music reflect any emotion other than desperation? You can understand why if you've read this thread.

The anthemic single, which has already been widely heard, heralds a new album from New Jersey's finest. To be called Magic, it will be released on Oct 1. This is the kind of news capable of inducing paroxysms of excitement in music fans of a certain age, for whom the 57-year-old veteran represents the very pinnacle of rock culture.

Radio Nowhere is not an anthem. He represents a "sexual deviant" and a very sick man.

Those less enamoured may just shrug their shoulders. After all, Springsteen can hardly be considered the most groundbreaking artist, his rootsy style drawing on rock and roll, doo wop, soul, gospel and country.

Most of us shrug our shoulders at Springsteen's music and have been since the early 80's. We now shrug our shoulders at the lies critics like you write in order to sell his music. Desperate? Oh, yes.

There is nothing in this track to suggest any new sonic developments, and even the lyrics cover well-worn themes, with the narrator "driving through the misty rain" on "the last lone American night", his fingers "spinnin' round a dead dial" while all he can hear is "a drone bouncing off a satellite". "I just want to hear some rhythm," he pleads.

Well-worn themes. I'll say. Worn out. The last lone American night. Get real!

It might seem a lot of fuss about not being able to find a decent station on the car radio.

It doesn't sound like any fuss at all. The song sounds just like the DRONE he describes.

Ah, but things are rarely quite that simple in the world of Springsteen. For all the fist-waving associated with his live performances, he is a subtle master of the miniature narrative in which big themes are refracted.

His songs have no big themes.

In his best songs, the personal becomes universal and, as often as not, political. And there is an undercurrent of disquiet in the single, a sense that all is not well in Springsteen's very particular vision of America.

Springsteen doesn't have any political songs other than welcoming everyone to the New World Order.

Perhaps it is the fact that music - and in particular rock-and-roll radio - forms an essential part of his mythos, something that connects Americans to the true values of their nation. But, in Radio Nowhere, his driver's loneliness is accompanied only by static. Something has been lost, and he seems uncertain where to find it.

Springsteen introduces the true values of our nation. Like what? The demoralization and pornification of society through his sexually deviant and violent lyrics. He's always lost in his songs. Drifting in and out. Same ole,' same ole.'

The one-word album title, Magic, is very un-Springsteen. There is no beat poetry here, just a seemingly generic, innocuous and much over-used word, much associated with glitzy entertainment.

He should have named the album "Black Magic." That which he practices and has been practicing on his fans.

But there is a deep irony in the way Springsteen employs it, for there is a particular kind of black magic at the heart of his most recent songs. It is visible between the lines of 2005's sombre Devils & Dust, where idealistic visions of the land of the free disappear in the shimmering heat haze of the Iraqi desert.

Oh, you said it. BLACK MAGIC. Devils and Dust was not about the Iraq war.

Although Springsteen's manager, Jon Landau, has been insisting "politics is not the primary intention of this album", there are plenty of indications that this could be misleading.

There aren't any political songs on the Magic CD. If there were, you would know it and wouldn't have to lie about it. Goodness, Landau has misled everyone by telling us this isn't a political album. Why? Should we keep searchin' through the content for clues?

An artist deeply tuned into the American psyche, Springsteen has almost acted as the musical conscience of his country, and his output over this decade has chronicled a nation's increasing unease with itself.

Springsteen is in no way, shape or form the musical conscience of HIS country. This writer refers to America as Springsteen's country. His conscience is of filth. His output over the past decade has chronicled his psychological problems. It has in no way, shape or form chronicled a nation's increasing unease with itself. It's chronicled his disgusting lifestyle.

His extraordinary 2002 double album, The Rising (marking a reunion of the E Street Band for the first album since the 1984 classic Born in the USA), was an attempt to articulate his countrymen's bewildered response to the events of 9/11.

The Rising was not extraordinary. The E Street Band reunion was in 1999, pal, not 2002. Oh, yes. Springsteen. The leader of the free world wrote this album, The Rising, to articulate his country men's bewildered response to the events of 9/11. You're saying that Springsteen believes HIS COUNTRYMEN had a bewildered response to the events of 9/11. How else would one respond? Oh, yes. We are all Springsteen's countrymen and thank GOD he was there for us with this CD after 911 because we were so bewildered and sought his comfort to see us through while he capitalized on the nation's suffering and pain. What would we do without him?? The songs on The Rising were certainly uplifting. NOT! What are you drinking? He should have written about our government's non-responsive action on 911 if he were so political, which he is not, because he is one of THEM.

The sombre, solo, stripped-back Devils & Dust suggested disillusion with the warmongering direction his country was taking, pondering "what if what you do to survive/kills the things you love?" The characters in Devils & Dust are bewildered and bereft, honourable ordinary men and women clinging to fading ideals.

Devils and Dust was not a political album. So, now you see why Springsteen's lyrics are, for the most part, cryptic. So people like this writer can fill in the blanks and then the FANATICS can take his word as truth because they're minds are in such a suggestible state. In this way, Springsteen's songs can be about anything you want them to be.

Last year's joyously raucous We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions, recorded with a large, improvising ensemble, might have seemed a complete departure except that, by reclaiming old protest songs, Springsteen was reasserting the innate political liberalism of that mythical America, built on principles of freedom and equality.

They were all Seeger's songs. Springsteen didn't write any of them.

There was a sense that Springsteen initially disbanded the E Street Band because the scale of their sound was somehow limiting. When he calls them together, it is because that scale suits the songs, suggesting he has something vital and significant to say. "We've been together since 1974, and I don't think I've ever seen him more excited than he is right now about this record," says Landau.

He has said nothing vital or significant in the CD MAGIC or those that preceded it. Oh, Springsteen is so excited. Landau must see him jumping up and down on his bed.

With a tour kicking off in North America in October, reaching Europe in November (and London's O2 on Dec 19), it would appear Springsteen is ready to do some grandstanding, and somehow turn his complex thoughts and feelings about the country he loves into big, radio-friendly pop music.

This CD is not about America and how much Springsteen loves it. If he loved America, he would not have sold his soul to the devil and belong to a "satanic cult" that seeks to destroy America's freedoms.

I will let you into a secret: I have heard the new album. But all I can say for now is that it excited me as much as anything Springsteen has produced, bitter pills sugar-coated by the immense rock and roll of a great band.

We're so glad you're excited.

Some of the titles alone convey a sense of Springsteen's ambivalence, verging on disappointment, with his emotionally divided nation: Your Own Worst Enemy, Last to Die, Devil's Arcade and Long Walk Home. The latter was performed during his last tour, and a version has been previously available as an official live recording on the internet. Landau called it the "summational song on the album, one of Bruce's great masterpieces".

This writer again refers to this country as Springsteen's NATION. This CD is not about America.

It is a truly great song, as anyone who heard it live can attest, and a key to his subtle marriage of the personal and political.

Long Walk Home is about Springsteen's subtle marriage of the personal and political??? HUH???

The narrator recalls his father's words about a time when "the flag flying over the courthouse/Means certain things are set in stone/Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't." Springsteen concludes, "It's gonna be a long walk home", yet makes the idea of the journey uplifting, with that knack he has of discovering redemption in the most desperate situations.

Here we go again. Another desperate situation. If this man believes the American flag means certain things are set in stone, who we are and what we'll do, I suggest since he sings about the NWO, he do some more research. What a hypocrite. Springsteen is always tryin' to discover redemption from desperation in many of his songs. That's what he is. A desperate man.

There was a time when Springsteen's protagonists yearned to escape small-town America, rebelling against its stultifying insularity on Born to Run and Darkness on the Edge of Town. Now, it appears, he longs for a return to simple values, kindness to neighbours, the familiarity of what we know - basic decency.

Springsteen doesn't know basic decency. Read his lyrics, before you write an essay full of lies.

That he can distil all of this in ultimately life-affirming pop music is a gift. They don't call him The Boss for nothing. There was a time when Springsteen's protagonists yearned to escape small town America, rebelling against its stultifying insularity on 'Born To Run' and 'Darkness on the Edge of Town'.

You just repeated yourself.

Now, it appears, older and wiser, he longs for a return to simple values, kindness to neighbours, the familiarity of what we know, basic decency. That he can distil all of this in what is ultimately life affirming pop music is a special gift.

You need an editor. You're repeating again. This is a POP album? HUH??? Little Steven said it was the last Rock 'n' Roll album.

"I want a thousand guitars / I want pounding drums / I want a million voices speaking in tongues," Springsteen demands on 'Radio Nowhere', while his band do their best to provide just that. They don't call him The Boss for nothing.

Springsteen wants to hear a million voices speaking in tongue? WOW! I wonder what that would sound like.

09-25-2007, 08:35 PM
Yet another CRITICAL MASS BRAINWASHING review of Springsteen and his new CD Magic:


09-25-2007, 08:49 PM
This man, Springsteen, says the following about the song, "Livin' in the Future" before they played it at a rehearsal show:


Springsteen offered political commentary when introducing "Livin' in the Future" off the latest album, referring to terror suspect renditions and "illegal wiretapping."

"This is about the things you didn't think could happen," Springsteen said.


Terror Suspect renditions????

"illegal wiretapping?"

What a liar!!!

The man stands in front of a loyal fanbase and LIES through his teeth and they buy it.


He should be a politician.

Lies just like the rest of them.

Says one thing and means the other.

Springsteen offered political commentary!!

Oh, thank goodness.

What would we do without his political commentary.

How 'bout next time he tell us about the "satanic cult" of which he is a member and why he welcomed all to the "New World Order."

Just ushering his fans in, eh?

09-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Livin' in the Future
Bruce Springsteen

A letter come blowin' in on an ill wind
Somethin' 'bout me and you
Never seein' one another again
Yeah, well I knew it'd come
Still I was struck deaf and dumb
Like when we kissed
That taste of blood on your tongue

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

Woke up election day
Skies gunpowder and shades of grey
Beneath a dirty sun, I whistle my time away
Then just about sundown
You come walkin' through town
Your boot heels clickin'
Like the barrel of a pistol spinnin' round

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

The earth it gave away
The sea rose toward the sun
I opened up my heart to you
It got all damaged and undone
My ship Liberty sailed away on
A bloody red horizon
The groundskeeper opened the gates
And let the wild dogs run


I'm rollin' through town
A lost cowboy at sundown
Got my monkey on a leash
Got my ear tuned to the ground
My faith's been torn asunder
Tell me is that rollin' thunder
Or just the sinkin' sound
Of somethin' righteous goin' under

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet


Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na




09-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Apparently, Danny Federici is behaving like someone with Alzheimer's.

But, that's not their main concern.

The fanatics are more worried about the behavior of other band members.

Springsteen, AT A REHEARSAL SHOW, apparently referred to people on the Internet as A**HOLES because they reported the set list that was being practiced.


Such a secret.

Or, could be he called one of the fans an a**hole because he/she yelled out for "Thundercrack."

09-25-2007, 09:25 PM
If "Livin' in the Future" is suppose to be about illegal wiretapping and torture in the USA, you might want to incorporate the words wiretapping and torture in your lyrics!!! Just a suggestion.

Is this man delusional, or what? Does he really believe this is what he's written???? Or, should we add pathological liar to the list, too.

09-25-2007, 09:34 PM
A letter come blowin' in on an ill wind
Somethin' 'bout me and you
Never seein' one another again
Yeah, well I knew it'd come
Still I was struck deaf and dumb
Like when we kissed
That taste of blood on your tongue

Is this verse about wiretapping and torture in the USA?

Is this verse about Patti?

A letter came blowin' in the wind telling him he's never going to see Patti again and he was struck deaf and dumb.

Mind controlled slaves are suppose to be deaf, dumb and blind.

Speaks to lyrics in another song on Magic.

Trust none of what you hear and less of what you see.

In other words. Just be a good little slave.

Deaf, dumb and blind.

Oh, the imagery in this line:

"Like when we kissed
That taste of blood on your tongue"


Springsteen's songs have MESSAGES in them.

This, the reason they're explained as being about something that they are not.

09-25-2007, 09:41 PM
Oh, they're not worried about Danny Federici, but other members of the band and the few who are privy to this "intelligence" speak covertly about it on the board.

So, of course, other fanatics want to know what they're referring to, but, of course, they'll never get an answer.

One poster writes:

are you two serious? if you're going to openly say "i think i know what you are talking about" referring to other members of the band. would you enlighten the rest of us that weren't able to go to last nights shows. we are all wondering what the hell is going on?


09-25-2007, 09:46 PM
"Your Own Worst Enenmy" is a track on Springsteen's Magic CD.

This is what a "mind controlled" victim is programmed toward in order to self-destruct.

Basically the various atlers turning on the core personality.

Turning on yourself.

Cutting, etc.

Never going to happen.


09-26-2007, 03:57 PM
Mistrial in Phil Spector murder trial By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent
30 minutes ago

September 26, 2007

LOS ANGELES - The murder trial of music producer Phil Spector ended in a mistrial Wednesday because of a deadlocked jury. The mistrial came on the 12th day of deliberations on whether Spector murdered actress Lana Clarkson more than 4 1/2 years ago. The 12-member panel had heard about five months of testimony.

The jury foreman reported the panel was deadlocked 10 to 2 but did not indicate which way it was leaning. The jury reported a 7-5 impasse last week and had resumed deliberations with modified instructions.

"At this time, I will find that the jury is unable to arrive at a verdict and declare a mistrial in this matter," Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler said.

Spector, 67, is charged with second-degree murder. Clarkson, 40, died when a gun went off in her mouth as she sat in a chair in the foyer of Spector's Alhambra mansion about 5 a.m. on Feb. 3, 2003. She had met Spector just a few hours earlier at her job as a nightclub hostess and went home with him for a drink after work.

The defense contended throughout the trial that Clarkson had personal problems and died of a self-inflicted wound that was an accident or a suicide.

Prosecutors presented Spector's chauffeur, who said that he heard a "pow" and that Spector then came outside with a gun in his hand and stated: "I think I killed somebody."

Prosecutors also called five women from Spector's past who testified that he long ago terrorized them with guns when they tried to leave his presence.

In a sideshow to the deliberations, authorities had said Tuesday they were investigating a possible threat to the trial judge that was posted on the Internet.

The MySpace.com posting contained the phrases "I love Phil Spector" and "The Evil Judge should DIE!!!!"

The posting was on a page called "Team Spector," said Steve Whitmore, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. It was later taken down, Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini said.

Sheriff's investigators were looking into the messages, which were signed "xoxo Chelle," according to Parachini. Spector's wife is named Rachelle, but one of the music producer's attorneys, Christopher Plourd, said she denied having anything to do with the notes.

Spector emerged on the music scene in the late 1950s and became a top producer using a hit-making recording technique that became known as the "Wall of Sound." Clarkson was the star of Roger Corman's 1985 cult film "Barbarian Queen."


Phil Spector ran outside of his house with the gun in his hand and told his chauffeur that he thought he killed somebody.

He was alone in house with Clarkson, but the defense speculated that she had personal problems, put the gun in her mouth and suicided.

Yeah, that sounds probable especially after Spector told his chauffeur he thought he killed somebody and had the gun in his hand.

I wonder if Clarkson displayed any suicidal tendencies or spoke of suicide to her family and/or friends.

09-26-2007, 04:24 PM
This thread, from BTX "The Promised Land," started out about the "Patti Bashers," but slowly found it's way into the gutter.

I have a few comments.

Some fanatics are upset because Scialfa and Springsteen were doing a duet of one of her songs from her new CD at a rehearsal show.

They fear the tour is going to be the Bruce and Patti show.

They don't like Patti's voice and her songs are not rock 'n' roll.

They paid to see the "E Street Band."

When Patti duets during an "E Stree Band" tour, many of the fans use it for a beer and bathroom break.

The poster who started this thread thinks Patti's feelings will be hurt if she reads these comments.

It's part of the business.

I guess there are some fanatics who aren't brainwashed completely into believing they have to LIKE Scialfa's voice or her place in the band.

Apparently, she holds the band hostage to allowing her time in the spotlight with "The E Street Band," because Springsteen has been quoted as saying, "if momma is happy, everybody is happy."

Another poster points out how the fans aren't being selfish by expressing that they don't want Patti to be included in "singing" parts, but that, perhaps, Patti and Springsteen are being selfish, after all of these years, never allowing Nils or Clarence or any of the other band members who have solo CD's to perform their songs when on tour with the "E Street Band."

Could be Springsteen fears they would be better than him?

Scialfa will most likely not be touring to promote her new CD.

We already know that the excuse was given that she would be touring with the "E Street Band." Of course, they knew the timetable way in advance and could have accommodated her, but, as I've said, she doesn't have the fanbase to warrant the music mobsters spending money on venues.

Their goal is to make money.

They appease her when she produces a CD because she is Springsteen's wife and Springsteen will have to appease her on this E Street Band tour, most probably, because the only crowd she'll get to play her songs in front of live will be E Street Band fans.

Like Springsteen said, "when momma is happy, everbody's happy," so Scialfa will be INFLICTED upon you whether you like it or not.


09-26-2007, 04:54 PM
Album's version
Bruce Springsteen

Remember the morning we dug up your gun
The worms in the barrel, the hangin' sun
Those first nervous evenings of perfume and gin
The lost smell on your breath as I helped you get it in
The rush of your lips, the feel of your name
The beat of your heart, the devil's arcade

You said heroes are needed, so heroes get made
Somebody made a bet, somebody paid
The cool desert morning, then nothin' to save
Just metal and plastic where your body caved
The slow games of poker with Lieutenant Ray
In the ward with the blue walls, a sea with no name
Where you lie adrift with the heroes of the devil's arcade

You sleep and you dream of your buddies Charlie and Jim
And wake with a thick desert dust on your skin


A voice says "don't worry, I'm here
Just whisper the word "tomorrow" in my ear
A house on a quiet street, a home for the brave
The glorious kingdom of the sun on your face
Rising from a long night as dark as the grave
On a thin chain of next moments and something like faith
On a morning to order a breakfast to make
A bed draped in sunshine, a body that waits
For the touch of your fingers, the end of the day
The beat of your heart, the beat of your heart
The beat of your heart, the beat of your heart
The beat of your heart, the beat of her heart
The beat of your heart, the slow burning away
Of the bitter fires of the devil's arcade


Another cryptic song that is suppose to be about the Iraqi war as DEVILS and DUST was, but this time "Devil's Arcade" has been dedicated by Springsteen to the Iraqi war veterans.

Just like "The Rising" was about 911.

This man is embarrassing.

Both Iraqi war songs now have the word DEVIL in them.

If I were an Iraqi war veteran, I would tell Springsteen to take this song and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

Capitalizing again on the misfortune's of others.

This song is grotesque.

So, too was a line in Devils and Dust.

"I dreamed of you last night in a field of blood and stone."


Devil's Arcade:

What the hell is he talking about?

Just what heroes want to hear:

"I dreamed of you last night in a field of blood and stone."

"The cool desert morning, then nothin' to save
Just metal and plastic where your body caved."

Does the man have no empathy, sympathy or sensitivity to some one's horror??

Apparently not!

09-26-2007, 04:57 PM
In the midst of the Magic tour, between the Detroit and DC stops and less than a month after his two nights at Madison Square Garden, Springsteen will be playing an additional date in New York City. The occasion is "Stand Up for Heroes: A Benefit for the Bob Woodruff Family Fund." Conan O'Brien will MC this New York Comedy Festival event at Town Hall, with Lewis Black and Robin Williams also on the bill. The Bob Woodruff Family Fund assists service members injured while serving in the United States Armed Forces. Special emphasis is placed on the "hidden signature injuries" of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- traumatic brain injury and combat stress injuries including post-traumatic stress disorder. Read more about the show here; no ticket info yet, but we'll post it as soon as we find out.
-September 21, 2007


Connecting again with a charitable event.

How 'bout THE BOSS donating some of his millions to this cause?

Or, does he not control his own money?

Or, does he not have millions?

09-26-2007, 06:28 PM
The "E Street Band" will be performing at "Rockefeller Plaza" on Friday, September 28, 2007.

Here is your chance to email the TODAY SHOW a question for them to ask Springsteen.

Something you've always wanted to know about the man.

Oh, please.

Grow up!

How old is he now?


This is like teeny-bop stuff you'd find inside 17 magazine.

Here's my question:

"Have you always been a "sexual deviant" and pathological liar?"

Do you think Matt will submit my question?


09-26-2007, 06:31 PM
Here's some more teeny-bop material from MSNBC. A prelude to Springsteen's appearance on The Today Show at Rockefeller Plaza.

Are you Springsteen's biggest fan?

Prove it.

Send them a ESSAY in 100 words or less; your picture and/or video.

If you're chosen, they'll post your picture.

Oh, my.

How exciting.


09-26-2007, 06:36 PM

MSNBC is calling all Bruce Springsteen look-a-likes.

Send them a photograph and they'll publish the best.

Does Springsteen's double count?


09-26-2007, 06:40 PM
More prizes for Springsteen fans:


• PRIZE #1: Just in time for the new Bruce Magic CD we have both versions of the April 2003 Edition of UNCUT Magazine featuring Bruce Springsteen with CDs in new condition still in package available to give away to one winner (also included is a bonus copy of the Tramps Like Us video; [1] 5x7 Asbury Park Booklet from December 2003 with Bruce Springsteen and Michael J. Fox; and [1] STARS CD). This will be a great prize for the Bruce Springsteen fan as the new tour and album get underway. We will also have 2 runner up prizes of all items mentioned but the magazines/CDs set. [DRAWING is 09/25/07 11:59 pm EST]


How exciting!

BOTH versions of the April, 2003 Edition of UNCUT Magazine featurng Bruce Springsteen with CDs in new condition still in package available to give away to one LUCKY winner!


09-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Isn't it true that most of Springsteen's songs are about deceit, lies and trickery; to name a few.

Let's not forget.

Sexually deviant behavior, too!

All these mumbo jumbo reviews are LIES!

09-26-2007, 07:35 PM
The Bruce and Patti show:

One poster remarks about their duet performance of a "A Town Called Heartbreak" at a rehearsal show:

i wasn't inferring that they were jealous, i was inferring that they couldn't believe that it has come to this — having to play the Mrs.' music

Another posters comments that some guys will jump through hoops to get la*d.

I mean, seriously, Springsteen has to allow his wife to run the show for that?

It's somewhat pathetic.

Scailfa, at age 53, has now been taken under the wing of Springsteen, her husband, of 17 years, after being in the "E Street Band" since the early 80's (consisting of about four tours) and playing in bars since she was 15, and they're now attempting to "reinvent" themselves as a duet act with the E Street Band.

Maybe that's why the band split and Springsteen went solo.

He didn't want Scialfa inflicting herself as she does.

There is no chemistry.


Scialfa lacks talent.


Scialfa lacks charisma.


Scialfa is not sexy nor is Springsteen.


Springsteen displays no morals or sensitivity.

A woman dueting with Springsteen just doesn't work.

He lacks the chemistry, too!

It's almost as if Scialfa's a "little girl" learning to perform for a crowd and Springsteen is coaxing her along.

Oh, how cute!

They're both so immoral, it's quite disgusting watching them duet.

09-27-2007, 07:03 AM
There are more duets of Springsteen with male musicians than with Scialfa or any other female artist.

Can't think of a female artist other than Scialfa with whom he has performed a duet.

Maybe there is a reason for this.

Perhaps the fanatics sense the chemistry between Springsteen and male musicians with whom he duets.

09-27-2007, 11:59 AM
If you're a fanatic and confused as to why some of Springsteen's songs are described as political because you don't see them that way, the operatives will post a copy of a review (mumbo, jumbo) that basically STATES what is not obvious and that which isn't.

09-27-2007, 12:00 PM
Oh, the children are excited.

All of their dedication, hard work and worshipping has paid off.


09-27-2007, 12:05 PM
Why would a fanatic find this verse the least bit interesting or worthy of being posted?

Very violent.

It's from Springsteen's song, "Point Blank" and it was posted on BTX with B.S. afterwards, as if it is a Springsteen quote.


That always end up point blank, shot between the eyes
Point blank like little white lies you tell to ease the pain
You're walkin' in the sights, girl of point blank
and it's one false move and baby the lights go out

Beautiful imagery, eh?

09-27-2007, 12:10 PM
Verse from "Livin' in the Future"

Sometimes Springsteen's analogies just don't make sense.

Woke up election day
Skies gunpowder and shades of grey
Beneath a dirty sun, I whistle my time away
Then just about sundown
You come walkin' through town
Your boot heels clickin'
Like the barrel of a pistol spinnin' round


Does a pistol have a barrel?

09-27-2007, 02:50 PM
In anticipation of Bruce Springsteen's live concert on the plaza on Friday, Matt and I sat down to talk about the man and his music. Here's our Q&A:

Q: There are a lot of people out there who would love to get the chance to hang out with Bruce Springsteen. You've gotten to do that -- so what's he like?

Really? A lot of people would like to hang with Springsteen? Can't imagine why. Everything out of his mouth would either be psychobabble or lies. There truly isn't anything special about him.

Matt: He's the real deal. He is a no-frills rock star with no major entourage and none of the trappings of what you usually expect from a rock star.

He's no frills?? Come on, Matt! What real deal is he? He's about as trapped as they come.

Lauer interviews Springsteen on "Dateline" in 2002

I interviewed him in Asbury Park a few years ago. He drove himself into the parking lot of the Stone Pony and walked in, totally unassuming. Just a real down-to-earth guy. He's not the kind of guy who is requesting to have only red M&M's in his dressing room.

Oh, my goodness. Springsteen actually drove himself into the parking lot. He requests a whole lot more in his dressing room than red M&Ms. So, too, does Clarence and his wife.

He's the same guy that he writes about in his songs. He's a working class guy, a hard-working guy, the type that comes across most vividly in his work.

Have you read the lyrics to any of his songs? Apparently not. If you had, you'd know that he wasn't the same guy he sings about. In fact, he sings about many guys/men, little girls, women and in different personalities. He is in no, way, shape or form a working class guy. He's apparently a millionaire and orders caviar while on tour. Nothing comes across vividly in his work other than he's a sexual deviant and has violent tendencies. Sings in altered personalities and is a homosexual and pedophile.

Q: Is there anything in particular that you remember from your time with him in Asbury Park?

Matt: We jumped in a convertible down there, and he took me on a tour of Asbury Park, explaining why it was such a special place for him. It's a town that has had some difficulties over the years, fallen on some hard times.

What struck me the most about our trip there was how the people of Asbury Park acted towards him. They treated him exactly the way I would have hoped they would -- people would wave and say, "Hey, Bruce!" He would wave and say hello back, and then they'd go about their business. They really treated him like one of their own.

How else would they treat him? What's with MSNBC referring to him as The Boss and Scooter? Never heard that one before. Oh, yes. He's New Jersey's own. Local town hero, but we still don't know why.

It was clear that they felt a connection with this guy, that they didn't put him on a pedestal. They treated him almost like a friendly neighbor. It's so rare, in this celebrity-obsessed culture that we live in, to see people act that way towards such a huge star.

Are you kidding me? If you see a star, Matt, are you going to drool all over them? What else would you expect them to do except say hello? It's not like he invented a cure for Aids. We're not a celebrity obsessed culture in the sense that people grope all over stars. Celebrity obsessed about their dirty laundry, perhaps. People do have manners, you know.

Q: What about your conversations with him -- what kinds of things have you talked about?

Matt: One thing we've talked about is what it is in his music that connects with people. I asked him about "Thunder Road" particularly. The song begins with, "The screen door slams/Mary's dress waves/Like a vision she dances across the porch/As the radio plays." Yes, his music is filled with broad themes like working class life, love, respect.

So, that's it. You asked him about Thunder Road. What did he say? Did you ask him who Mary was? The Mary he got pregnant. His sister. Left that out, huh? He music is not filled with love or respect. It's filled with "sexually deviant" themes, immoral behavior, depression, and violence. He's an adulterer.

But it's the little things -- a screen door slamming, a dress waving in the wind, Roy Orbison's voice -- those are the things that seem to connect with people. He said that when he writes a song, he's trying to link up pieces that mean something in his life, hoping that they'll mean something to his audience, too.

Oh, here is Matt. Answering for Springsteen about Thunder Road. Oh, yes, as if Springsteen is the only singer/songwriter who has ever connected with people. MSNBC is referring to Springsteen as "The Magic of Springsteen." A barf bag, please. How 'bout the black magic of Springsteen? Most songwriters employ his MO. It isn't special and neither is the song Thunder Road.

So when you listen to "Thunder Road," you're really able to indentify with an image that's stuck in his mind.

Oh, thank goodness you can have that image of Mary's dress waving and the screen door slamming. Awesome.

Q: Do you have any particular memories of Bruce's music from earlier in your life, maybe from the Born to Run era?

Matt: In 1975, when Born to Run came out, I went off to college. My freshman year, you could not walk past a bar without hearing the song "Born to Run" blaring from a jukebox. It was the great anthem of my college days.

Try reading the lyrics to Born in the USA and tell me what the anthemic theme is?

From [his first album] Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J. on, I've always had a great feeling for his music. But it's really since I've been in this job that I've come to truly appreciate the kind of guy that he is.

This job makes you appreciate the kind of guy he is??? He belongs to a "satanic cult." He's a pedophile, a sexual deviant, pathological liar, with deep psychological problems. He's a mind controller, abuser and handler within the industry. Springsteen is a very sick man.

In this role, I get to interview presidents, senators, celebrities, all kinds of people. But the ones that I get the most excited about interviewing are my rock and roll heroes. With a president, that person is in your life for no more than eight years. But these guys -- Clapton, Springsteen, the Rolling Stones -- have been in my life for 30, 40 years. They are a part of who I am.

Oh, Matt. Come on. Rock 'n' Roll hero. You worship a man who is a sexual deviant. He is a pedophile. Read his lyrics. The Stones, Clapton and Springsteen are part of who you are. You sound like a suck-up or in an altered state. Maybe Springsteen cast a spell on you before the interview.

Interviewing Bruce every couple years, I've gotten a real appreciation for the kind of down-to-earth person that he is. And it's a lot more fun to interview someone who has intelligent views on important subjects.

Springsteen doesn't have any intelligent views on important subjects.

We also just talk about our families as much as music. What it's like to raise kids. He was telling me last time we spoke about one of his kids getting their driver's license, and what that was like. He's a much more multi-faceted guy than just his music.

He's multi-faceted because one of his children was getting their driver's license?? Is this something most children don't do. How rare!! Most people talk about their families with each other. This is something special????

Q: You've gotten an early copy of Bruce's new album, Magic. First impressions?

Matt: I haven't been able to give it a thorough listen yet, but it's a throw-back to the rock and roll of some of his earlier albums.

Q: Favorite songs?

Matt: Well, he's playing five songs on Friday -- three new ones and two classics -- and I requested "Born to Run" and "Thunder Road." For me, "Thunder Road" is one of my favorites by any artist. And "Born to Run" means a lot to me from my college days.

Oh my goodness. Thunder Road and Born to Run are two of Matt's favorite songs. He must like the degradation of women and incest.

I'm just excited to see him here on the plaza. When he comes on the stage, it doesn't feel like it's 8:30 in the morning. When he gets going, it feels like one of his great concerts at the Garden.

09-27-2007, 04:09 PM
September 26, 2007

The Boss keeps the faith in 'Magic'

The wild-eyed innocence may be gone, but the new album rocks like classic Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band.

By Ann Powers, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band

"Magic" (Columbia)

There comes a point in most believers' lives where faith transforms from an inevitability to a choice. Something alters life's usual patterns -- a personal tragedy, perhaps, or an intellectual realization -- and what seemed so true suddenly can't be trusted. This isn't true just for God-fearing people; any creed is vulnerable to such a crisis. Getting past it can feel like an accomplishment or a sneaking betrayal, depending on whether you genuinely renew your convictions or just decide that credulity is the best way to survive.

Few artists must feel the obligation to keep the faith as heavily as Bruce Springsteen. For nearly 40 years, he's relentlessly returned to one great subject: that moment when an ordinary person confronts some higher power, whether it's love or death or the state patrol, and makes an ennobling if sometimes fatally wrongheaded commitment to act.

What happened in Springsteen's life that makes him feel obligated to keep the HEAVY FAITH? Faith in what? The DEVIL? Most people have faith irregardless of their life circumstances. Springsteen continues to return to themes of sexually deviant behavior, violence and immoral characteristics. His life, as depicted in his songs, sounds like one huge, desperate emergency.

Springsteen's fascination with these personal epiphanies has earned him a massive cult, and why not? His lyrics blend religious and secular scenarios to describe the various apocalypses his fans might encounter in their own lives. Rife with Catholic imagery but attached to the kind of rousing rock that follows directly from American revivalist and black church traditions, Springsteen turns his tales into rituals. Each hearing allows the committed fan to renew her devotion, not just to the Boss, but to her own path.

Massive cult! You can say that again. But, I think they're dwindling. An act/facade can only survive for so long if not for people like you. Yes, perhaps, his dysfunctional children encounter the same type of desperation that he sings about. His rock does not follow black church traditions. What have you been drinking??? He preaches without song. I wonder how many Springsteen fans are black. Yes, Springsteen's tales are ritual, alright. Over and over and over again. That's part of mind control. Renew her devotion to The Boss? To her own path?? Yes, fanatics devote their lives to his life and his path. They are imprisoned in his world.

What happens, though, when the prophet begins to wonder if it's all a hollow game? That's when choice comes in. On "Magic," Springsteen's 16th studio album and the latest to reunite him with the E Street Band -- his gospel choir -- he recommits fully to the uplifting oomph of his rock 'n' roll formula. But a sadder and wiser willfulness permeates these 12 tracks. It's present in the music, which removes all gunk from the formulas Springsteen's been using forever and gets them shining. And it's deeply embedded in lyrics that examine what happens after illusions are shattered, and life just goes on.

Hollow game, you say? Couldn't agree more. DEEPLY EMBEDDED in lyrics that examine what happens when illusions are shattered and life just goes on?? AN ILLUSION CAN'T BE SHATTERED. IT doesn't exist. It's trickery. Springsteen has created a world of illusions for his fans by placing them in altered states of consciousness through the use of "black magic," sounds and tones, trigger words, sexual programming. He's a mind controller. Without this, he probably wouldn't have a fan base. They might read his lyrics and realize he's created an illusion of himself for them to believe in. He is not what they think that he is. It's all been media hype so as to disguise his "disgusting" lyrics. Because he is a NWO operative for the music industry. He's conducted himself in a publicly immoral fashion. He's filth. If they ever wake up, they might realize he sucked the life out of them and is a sexual deviant with violent tendencies.

The first doubter Springsteen confronts is himself. "Radio Nowhere," the album's lead track and first single, depicts the Boss lost on a lonely highway, wondering if he can connect to anything pop has to offer now. The song is discouragingly fogeyish if considered from a topical standpoint: Tom Petty already wrote a protest song about corporate radio, and Springsteen's refrain, "I just want to feel some rhythm," seems an odd complaint, considering how much airtime Kanye West and Beyoncé get these days. But as an opening invocation, "Radio Nowhere" gains force. Producer Brendan O'Brien compresses the nine-piece E Street Band's contributions into a single groove, all seemingly emanating form Nils Lofgren's choogling guitar riff. The circular structure Springsteen often employs -- in which one phrase tumbles into another like Jack Kerouac's unfurling scroll -- takes his words beyond surface meaning. The chanted refrain, which soon transforms to "I just want to feel your rhythm," signals entry into that sacred zone where the communal clout of the E Street Band turns worn rock tropes into revelations.

Yes, he's a doubter, an adulterer, a liar, a pedophile as he sings about in some of his songs. Very creative writing. But, perhaps, the psychobabble is just a little overdone. Oh, yes. Radio Nowhere transforms all.

From that point on, "Magic" unfolds beyond any reference point besides Springsteen's own body of work -- which makes sense, since it's a ritual object, with every song designed to fit into the arena shows where devotees will soon commune.

Elements of old favorites continually surface -- "Livin' in the Future" resurrects the jumping horns of "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out," there's a whiff of "I Wanna Marry You" around "Girls in Their Summer Clothes," the descending chorus of "Long Walk Home" reaches back to "My Hometown." Under O'Brien's relentlessly strict guidance (this is one clean, tight-sounding record), every E Streeter finds his Zen: the keyboards build moodily, sax man Clarence Clemons blusters with more focus than usual, those Lofgren/Steve Van Zandt guitar riffs rip, and Max Weinberg is a bighearted machine on the drums.

Recycling old material.

And though the songs on "Magic" tell stories, only one -- the eerie "Devil's Arcade," in which a lover pleads with the ghost, perhaps living, of her desert- damaged soldier boy -- aims for the specificity of earlier ballads such as "Meeting Across the River" or "Sinaloa Cowboys."

There's a ghost in "Devil's Arcade" according to this writer and a lover pleads with it for her damaged soldier boy. Good thing these critics see words that don't exist. Maybe their mind control victims who are in a high state of suggestibility. Very vivid imaginations.

Instead, some revisit very familiar scenarios, like a girl's front porch or a highway at night, but inject much more ambiguity into the scenes. Others, like "Your Own Worst Enemy" and the title track, aren't story songs at all. They're extended metaphors, exploring the emotional experience of self-questioning in ways that end up feeling surprisingly personal.

Oh, here we go. Some songs are extended metaphors, exploring the emotional experience...blah, blah, blah. Oh, yes. Springsteen and Scialfa. Such psychoanalysts. Always exploring; always questioning.

Fans have had decades of fun scouring the Jersey shore for the origins of Springsteen's characters, but those he gives life to on "Magic" could exist in many contexts. The manipulative ingénue in "You'll Be Comin' Down" could be Marilyn or Britney; the lost bohemian warrior of "Gypsy Biker" might be a war casualty, but by verse three he seems to have transformed into Terry Magovern, Springsteen's longtime personal assistant, who died in July (he's also the subject of the hidden track "Terry's Song").

Springsteen's fans scour the Jersey shore looking for the origins of his characters. Many of them are alters or characters called up through make-believe; hypnosis. Maybe they should get a life. Oh, now the song, "You'll Be Comin' Down could be about Marilyn or Britney. What? Is he telling Britney she'll be coming down because she went against the cult? Yes. Gypsy Biker might be a war casualty. Who knows. Could be anything you want it to be. Cause, in the end, Springsteen looks at his songs and don't know where they come from. Thank goodness for people like you who can interpret this mass of disinformation.

"Magic" is a record of this moment -- Springsteen makes quiet reference throughout to what he sees as an errant Bush administration and, alternately, to a marriage at sometimes shaky midlife -- but it also aims for timelessness.

Springsteen makes no reference whatsoever throughout MAGIC as to what he sees as an errant Bush administration. A reference to his marriage? Oh, the song where he receives a letter from Patti and it says she won't be seeing him anymore. Who pays you to write these lies? Attempting to politicize an album that might not sell otherwise.

It's the way Springsteen injects his American bible stories with the air of disbelief that makes "Magic" a truly mature and memorable album. He knows his fans need that rush, that jump outside their own feelings of disappointment and limitation, that he's given them for so long. Yet more and more, he seems to realize that disappointment and limitation are his métier, and that sometimes a giant saxophone fill and a chorus about hungry hearts can't solve the problem. "Magic" bares its own devices beautifully, providing a kind of transcendence that allows for listeners to keep their feet on the ground. Believe in it, if you choose.

Springsteen knows his fans need that rush??? Oh, yes. What a leader. He writes all this because he knows his fans are dysfunctional. Having been mind controlled by him all of their lives into altered states of consciousness where he plays on their emotions through his songs. They really don't effect many other people. What would his fans do without his generosity in helping them with their limitations? Thank you. But, I chose not to believe in anything Springsteen writes. Believe in what? A song???


09-27-2007, 04:14 PM
MOJO Magazine gave Magic 5 stars and the fans are very thankful.

09-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Bruce Springsteen will jolt the Rock scene at 'Today' show


Thursday, September 27th 2007, 4:00 AM

Bruce Springsteen, shown at a Monday practice date in Asbury Park, will draw huge crowds to Midtown tomorrow.

See also: Sherry Ross on Springsteen
Hinckley: Springsteen still manages to surprise

Rockefeller Center is expected to be packed with people tomorrow morning when Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band perform live on NBC's "Today" show.

To handle the huge crowd, producers are rearranging the normal concert routine, preparing for what they expect to be the biggest "Today" concert in a long, long time.

The biggest TODAY SHOW crowd in a long, long time. No doubt, the sheeple are flocking there. They follow the man everywhere.

"The concert series is always extraordinarily popular here," said "Today" executive producer Jim Bell. "It's a free concert in the heart of Manhattan, with unusual access to be up close and see big-time performers doing their thing. With Springsteen, we're at another level."

Certainly at another level. That's for sure.

To accommodate the crowd and the show, the usual stage setup will be flipped so that Springsteen and his band face 49th St. Large video screens will be installed in front of 30 Rockefeller Plaza, so that those away from the stage can see.

"The response has been incredible, as expected," said Bell, who credited senior producer Melissa Lonner for landing the concert. "It's the kind of thing that generates buzz beyond the typical concert."

Springsteen, who is on the show to launch his new CD, "Magic," is to do a "Today" interview at 8:20 a.m. As of yesterday, the band was expected to play at least five songs. Because Springsteen is known for playing more songs than planned, the show has permission to go beyond the standard 9 a.m. cutoff.

Yes, he's appearing to launch his new CD. Oh, The Boss, who can't seem to stop himself once in action has permission to go beyond the standard 9 A.M. cutoff. How fortunate everyone will be.

Springsteen is no stranger to "Today," having launched his CD "The Rising" in 2002 with a live concert from Asbury Park, N.J.

Bell likened the expectations for Springsteen to the Ricky Martin "Today" concert of the late '90s, which drew thousands to Rockefeller Center and locked up parts of town.

Oh, no. Springsteen is going to lock up the town. What power the man has.

"I think we're going to be in that situation this Friday," Bell said. "It's going to be something unusual in terms of turnout. It's Bruce."

Oh, yes. It's Bruce, alright. Make sure you keep your children out of harm's way.

09-27-2007, 05:05 PM
Bruce's 'Magic' Has Anti-War Message

Bruce's Magic doesn't have an anti-war message!

Bruce Springsteen has already made his political feelings clear in the last couple of years. Remember his Ted Koppel interview? The series of concerts — Vote for Change — he did to support John Kerry?

Oh, yes. His Ted Koppel interview. He doesn't support the President's foreign policy. Oh, yes, the Vote for Change money making concert and his dedicated LOVE SONG to and his support for the Skull and Bone's member, John Kerry.

On his new album, "Magic," Springsteen jumps right into the fray again. In a dramatic new REM-ish anthem called "Last to Die," he sings: "Who'll be the last to die for a mistake/The last to die for a mistake/Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break/Who'll be the last to die for a mistake."

Yes, capitalizing on Kerry's quote. Very original. I wonder why Springsteen never mentions Iraq or war in this so-called anti-war album of songs? Always, cryptic because he's one of them. Can't bite the hand that feeds you. Can't cross the line. Just enough to draw the fans into believing he's produced an anti-war message in the album.

The mistake is clearly the Iraq war. "We don't measure the blood we've drawn anymore," he sings. "We just stack the bodies outside the door."

Lovely, imagery. Really uplifting. What is with the WE. Is he part of the war operatives?

"Magic," which hits stores Tuesday but is already widely available on the Internet, seems like a party album at first. But it has a dark underside: blood and dead bodies wend their way through the songs.

Blood and dead bodies wend their way through the songs?? Which songs?? Again, lovely imagery for those who are suffering the loss of loved ones or who have loved ones fighting. Man, if I were a relative of a military person, I'd tell Springsteen to keep his politics and cryptic lyrics about the war to himself. Attempting again to capitalize on the misfortune of others who are dying at the hands of our masters. The very masters Springsteen works for. His album has to be touted as political in hopes that this will draw purchasers.

Otherwise, no one knows what the hell he is singing about.

Even when things are looking up at least musically — the songs are strong rockers — the lyrics suggest dire, dark things are happening.

Dire and dark. Just what the world needs is Springsteen's dire and dark songs. Same ole,' same ole.'

In one song, “Seven drops of blood fall” as a woman smooths the front of her dress. In another, a kiss produces “the taste of blood on your tongue.” There’s a “bloody red horizon.”

He loves blood, doesn't he? Blood on your tongue when kissing a woman. Seven drops of blood. Field of blood and bones. Always a bloody moon, bloody red horizon. This writer finds this subject fascinating. Speaks of what he is.

But I digress: “Magic” could be the release to save Columbia Records, a company at a crossroads.

Oh, yes, the hero Springsteen is going to save Columbia. The very mobsters who own and control him.

A few weeks ago, Lynn Hirschberg profiled new chief Rick Rubin in The New York Times Magazine. Rubin, who refuses to work from an office, was nevertheless scouting Los Angeles for new, much more expensive offices rather than for hit records. The story sent off alarms all over the business.

Ironically, it was the prior Sony administration that made “Magic” possible. Critics went berserk when Andy Lack, brought over from NBC, helped finalize a much-vaunted contract for Springsteen said to be worth $100 million. They claimed that Bruce wasn’t worth it, that he was over the hill and not a big seller. Ouch!

But Lack was right. Springsteen is the last of a dying breed of big-name rockers who are indeed worth the money. Not only has he got a fervent, dedicated following — he’s good. In fact, he’s great.

Oh, yes, that dedicated following of sheeple. Those who are tranced out. Good thing Mr. Mind Controller can produce deaf, dumb and blind followers.

Springsteen’s last E Street Band album, "The Rising," was nominated for Grammy awards because it presented serious stuff about 9/11.

They nominated it because it produced serious stuff but wasn't good.

He followed that up with less commercial projects: "We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions" and "Live in Dublin." You couldn’t dance to any of this, and in this generation of a dumbed-down audience, that was a risk.

You refer to this generation as a dumbed-down audience because The Seeger Sessions didn't generate enough revenue. Springsteen's fans are dumbed-down. Not the rest of us.

You can dance to “Radio Nowhere,” the lead single from “Magic,” and sing along, too. The whole album, made with the E Street Band, is designed for pleasure. There’s nothing here as poignant as “You’re Missing” from “The Rising.”

Radio Nowhere belongs on Radio Nowhere.

In concert, “Magic” is going to work like … magic. It doesn’t miss a beat; there are no good stadium bathroom breaks. The whole thing sounds like hit singles, if they still had hit singles.

No good bathroom breaks. Give me a break! This is your opinion.

Fans are going to love “Livin’ in the Future,” with its throwback arrangement to Springsteen’s real “Glory Days.” Clarence Clemons blows his horn, the band swings into action and it’s the Bruce everyone loves. There’s even a sing-along na-na-na chorus at the end.

Not everyone loves Springsteen. Only his dedicated followers who have been drinking way too much of the Bruce kool-aid.

But don’t be deceived. The lyrics show Bruce’s maturation and his love of stark images:

You mean, Springsteen is finally maturing out of his child-like alter. WOW!! 58 years and counting. Have to say that many of his songs sound like they were written by a child and/or someone with a fractured personality.

“Woke up election day/Skies gunpowder and shades of grey/Beneath a dirty sun, I whistle my time away … I opened up my heart to you/It got all damaged and undone.”

You gotta take the bitter with the sweet.

Poor thing. He opened up his heart to Patti and it go all damaged and undone. GROW UP. How pathetic.

“Magic” is also an album full of rockers, many showcasing Springsteen’s love of the Wall of Sound. “I’ll Work for Your Love” and “Gypsy Biker” — with wild guitar and harmonica solos possibly from Nils Lofgren — stood out for me, and I think after one more spin, “Your Own Worst Enemy” is going to be lodged in my brain forever. It’s an obvious hit.

Your brain already sounds lodged with something.

“Devil’s Arcade” is the closest Springsteen gets to his haunting Western gothic style. It’s a slow brewing beauty of a song too, with melodrama and magnificent imagery: “A bed draped in sunshine, a body that waits/For the touch of your fingers, the end of the day.”

His body is waiting for the touch of Scialfa's fingers at the end of the day. Jeez! How embarrassing for their children. Their father seems only to sing about one thing. Sex with men, women and children.

“Devil’s Arcade” would be a great last song on any album, but on “Magic,” it’s a bridge to something more somber. Springsteen wrote “Terry’s Song” for his late friend and personal assistant of 30 years, Terry Magovern, who died last summer. Springsteen played it at Magovern’s funeral, and here it’s a fitting final moment:

“When they built you, brother, they turned dust into gold,” he sings, “When they built you, brother, they broke the mold.” The same could be said for Springsteen, who’s always a mensch.

Yep. He's a mess, alright. Who cares about his relationship with his left hand man?

Will “Magic” be a hit? Even with the downloads, I think so. Springsteen plays the "Today" show Friday morning for the first time ever. He undoubtedly knows things have changed dramatically in the music biz.

Stooping to The Today Show. This writer THINKS MAGIC will be a hit.

And Lack’s critics were right about one thing: the Boss has never sold multimillions of records. But he’s sold the right records to the right people. “Magic” can only bring him new fans to add to the old, and some more Grammys besides.

Yep. He's never sold multi-millions of records because his music doesn't lend itself well to the population at large, other than to dysfunctional, altered and tranced out adults who are in child-like states due to being put under Springsteen's spell; manipulated emotionally and sexual programming triggered. They love wallowing in the misery, sexually perverse lyrics he sings about. He sold the records to the right people? What, if the wrong person wanted one, he wouldn't sell it?

09-27-2007, 06:13 PM
Magic in the night
Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Star-Ledger Staff

Oh, yes. I'm sure there was MAGIC IN THE NIGHT!

"Is there anybody alive out there?"
This is the kind of question Bruce Springsteen usually asks late in a concert, trying to make a frenzied crowd even more frenzied. But at his Monday night rehearsal show with his reconvened E Street Band at Asbury Park's Convention Hall, he posed it early on.

Frenzied crowd about says it all. Springsteen posed the very important question, "Is there anybody alive out there," very early on during the rehearsal show. Imagine, reviewing a rehearsal show. Man, this guy needs all the exposure he can get.

In addition to being a time-honored concert catch phrase, this line appears in "Radio Nowhere," the first single from his upcoming "Magic" album. He opened the show with this song, a pounding anthem about feeling lost, and thirsting for salvation through music. "I just want to feel some rhythm," he yelled repeatedly at the end of the song, with E Street member Steven Van Zandt echoing his vocals, call-and-response style.

Now the song, "Radio Nowhere," is a pounding anthem. Anthem to what? About Springsteen being lost. Can't find his way home. Oh, yes. Call and response. Springsteen calls and everyone responds like a trained dog. Like a slave to his master.

The song worked as an opener, in part because it spoke to a similar thirst in Springsteen's fans. They want to feel some rhythm, too -- specifically the rhythms of the E Street Band, which was left on the sidelines for Springsteen's last two tours (2005's solo gigs, plus the 2006 Seeger Sessions experiment).

Yes, poor fans. They were left on the sidelines since Springsteen and the E Street Band haven't performed in FOUR long years. Seeger Sessions was definitely a failed experiment.

So there they were -- Van Zandt, saxophonist Clarence "Big Man" Clemons, and all the rest -- back in their spiritual home, Asbury Park, for the first of three open-to-the-public rehearsals that will precede the official tour start, Tuesday in Hartford, Conn. A second Convention Hall show took place yesterday, and Friday's rehearsal will be at the Continental Airlines Arena.

Tickets, priced at $100 (with proceeds benefiting local charities), sold out in a flash when they went on sale last week. Outside Convention Hall, hundreds lined up, hoping that more tickets would become available at showtime. This may have been the tour's hardest ticket, as it offered something that could never be repeated -- a chance to hear the "Magic" songs performed in concert for the first time, in a hall much smaller than the arenas the band will visit in the coming months.

This was a chance to hear the MAGIC songs performed for the first time. Oh, what an honor. Performed during what some have referred to as horrible rehearsal shows. But, those sheeple. They'll spend their money to watch bad and evil.

The show was slightly shorter than the official concerts figure to be, clocking in at a mere two hours. But other than that, it proved the band is pretty much ready to go.

"There may be some mistakes, but I doubt it," the Boss joked at the start of the show. Indeed, mistakes were few, though the band did sound a bit tentative at times.

The Boss doesn't make any mistakes. Sign of a psychopath.

They played seven of the 12 "Magic" songs and 14 older compositions, ranging from concert perennials like "Born To Run" ("You know this one?" Springsteen kidded Clemons, before it started) and "The Promised Land," to less frequently played material like "Night," "No Surrender" and "Something In the Night."
"Candy's Room," featuring machine-gun rhythms from drummer Max Weinberg, segued smoothly into another hard-edged rock workout from the '70s, "She's the One." The encores included "Thundercrack," a playful epic resurrected from the early days of the E Street Band; and a Celtic-rock rave-up on "American Land," featuring both the band's keyboardists, Danny Federici and Roy Bittan, on accordions, and Clemons on pennywhistle.

In general, the older material came off better, though in one of the show's best moments, Springsteen and Van Zandt traded screaming guitar solos on the "Magic" track "Gypsy Biker."

Oh, yeah, Springsteen is well-known for his screaming guitar solos.

The new album is full of pointedly political stories and images, and Springsteen introduced one of the songs, "Livin' In the Future," by railing against "illegal wiretapping," "torture" and other "things that we thought can't happen here (but) happened here." "My ship Liberty sailed away on a bloody red horizon," he sang.

The new album is not full of any political songs. Oh, you mean the one about torture in the USA and wiretapping, but he doesn't use the words. Or, the one about the Iraq war or President Bush, but doesn't use the words. Those songs? Unbelievable!! They write whatever they're told whether it's true or not. Puppets. I'm sure not one music critic will ever critique his little girl songs, or who he got pregnant, or why he can't stick with a theme, or his homosexual lyrics, his oral sex song about his wife, is threesome in RENO, is masturbation songs, etc., etc.

Still, the chorus was more confusing than rousing. "Don't worry, darling, now baby don't you fret/We're livin' in the future and none of this has happened yet," he sang.

Another problem with "Livin' In the Future": The intro sounded so much like the intro to "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out" that it took a moment to figure out what it was.

Just recycling the old.

"Long Walk Home," a key song from "Magic" that seems to be about the loss of both personal and political innocence (symbolized by an idealized notion of the singer's hometown), was featured prominently, as the last song before the encores. An older song with similar themes, "My Hometown," appeared a few slots earlier, in effect setting the stage for "Long Walk Home."

Springsteen lost his personal and political innocence a long time ago.

The show took place on the eve of the vinyl release of the album, and more than a week before the Oct. 2 CD release date. Still, many fans cheered for their favorites among the new songs, and sang along. Via Internet sharing, a leaked copy of the album has been widely heard among Springsteen fans over the last couple of weeks.

Jay Lustig may be reached at jlustig@starledger.com or (973) 392-5850.

09-27-2007, 06:29 PM
By David Hinckley
New York Daily News

Bruce Springsteen still manages to surprise

How does Springsteen surprise? By releasing a CD?

Tuesday, September 25th 2007, 3:58 PM

At a Giants Stadium show during Bruce Springsteen's 1985 "Born In The U.S.A." tour, a front-row fan named Mark held up a sign saying "Thundercrack."

"Thundercrack" wasn't part of the top-10 hit run Bruce was enjoying at the time. It was a decade old and revered as one of his most exuberant, top-down, pure rock 'n' roll love songs:

She's straight from the Bronx
Hung off the line
She slips, she slides, she slops, she bops, she bumps, she grinds


Mark didn't get his request. But Monday night in Asbury Park's Convention Hall, 22 years later, Bruce dusted it off again.

He should have left the dust on it.

Springsteen fans say he has the best fastball in rock 'n' roll, that no one has ever done a more consistently powerful live show. But as hard as he's worked on that fastball, he's spent the last 25 years working just as hard on his changeups and curveballs.

His fans will say anything. Their his devotees and followers. They've been well-trained.

He could still be riding the "Born in the U.S.A." wave today. Instead, he's explored folk music, acoustic music, message music and whatever else his muse found tantalizing.

I doubt he could still be riding the "Born in the USA" wave. Springsteen's wave crashed into the shore back in the early 80's. Does he have an "alter" who is his muse?

On the surface, Springsteen's new CD "Magic" and its accompanying E Street Band tour looks like your basic rock reunion. But Monday's show, an early draft of a work in progress, reconfirmed that Bruce is not the Stones, who play their hits - some of the best rock 'n' roll ever - the way the fans in the $450 seats like 'em.

The fact Monday's crowd loved "Born to Run" and "Promised Land" does not mean that's what the show will be about.

What else is he going to sing? He has to rely on his songs from the 70s and 80s that his fans have come to love because it places them in an altered state due to the sounds and tones, sexual triggers, codes, embedded within the lyrics. The Rising was the first CD with the E Street Band in how many years? Not many of his fans care too much for those songs, I would surmise. What else is he going to sing? Devils and Dust? Ghost of Tom Joad? They love "Tunnel of Love" because he was having an affair with Scialfa during this tour. They like to be involved in his personal life. His life is their life.

Equally important to Springsteen, it was clear, were the tracks from "Magic," which were written to be melodic, guitar-driven rock that flows together easily.

"Last to Die" and "Long Walk Home" blended well, for instance, and that's the kind of thing Bruce always works on.

His challenge at this point is that he's working with such a wide palate of music and ideas.

Oh, yes. The ever so challenged musician with a wide palate of music and ideas. Sure do hope he can overcome this obstacle. Genius that he is and all.

"Last to Die" and "Livin' in the Future" want you to think. "Girls In Their Summer Clothes" follows a Springsteen tradition of tucking a bittersweet reflection under a lovely rippling song.

These songs want you think the following: What they hell is he talking about??

He sang three songs from "The Rising" Monday, next to the earlier likes of "She's the One." He turned E Street into a version of last year's Sessions Band for "American Land," and then there's "Thundercrack."

The official tour starts next Wednesday in Hartford and comes to Continental Arena Oct. 9-10 and the Garden Oct. 17-18. So far it's sold out everywhere, in part no doubt from expectations about the E Street reunion.

This show clearly is that. But Bruce's best tours also have personalities of their own, and it's a safe bet he's looking for the combination of new and old that will shape this one.

In search of the thundercrack.


"Radio Nowhere"
"No Surrender"
"Gypsy Biker"
"Empty Sky"
"Something in the Night"
"Girls in Their Summer Clothes"
"The Promised Land"
"Livin' in the Future"
"Devil's Arcade"
"Candy's Room"
"She's the One"
"Lonesome Day"
"My Hometown"
"The Rising"
"Last To Die"
"Long Walk Home"

"Born To Run"
"Darlington County"
"American Land"


Instead, he's explored folk music, acoustic music, message music and whatever else his muse found tantalizing.

Springsteen has a muse (female or male)? who is not his wife?


This writer KNOWS THIS!

Even more interesting.

Is she/he one of Springsteen's "little girl" or "little boy" sex slaves such as was the case with myself?

Maybe an adult mind controlled victim. Male or female?

Mabye a male musician?

Maybe a female musician?

The possibilities are endless.

09-27-2007, 06:48 PM
Scratch that.

09-27-2007, 07:02 PM
From BTX in "The Promised Land"

Thread Title:

Washington Post, Springsteen has Bigger Pen*s than Bush...


The Washington Post
September 27, 2007

Boss ‘Bigger’ than President
Rocker has penis measured for comparison; FOIA invoked

Rumson, NJ – Shore Fire Media today released the results of recent physical examinations confirming what many rock’n’roll fans and Jersey diehards had long believed: Bruce Springsteen’s penis is bigger than President George W. Bush’s.

Utilizing the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Springsteen’s doctor confirmed Bush’s penile length as five-and-three-quarters inches erect. Though a full half-inch longer than the estimated national average of five-and-a-quarter inches, Bush’s member fell a full three-quarters of an inch short of Springsteen’s penis, which clocked in at six-and-a-half inches even.

All measurements were of the dorsal side of the penis.

“Ever since the 2004 election, Bruce has been wanting to whip it out with the president and see whose is bigger. This was the next best thing,” said the Shore Fire press statement.

The results of the measure-off were good news for both Springsteen, due to release a new album next Tuesday, and Democrats.

“I think this shows, I think again, I think, this is another measurement, pun intended, that Bruce Springsteen is right on Iraq and George Bush is wrong,” Senator Edward Kennedy said in a phone interview.

Republican commentators were quick to attack the veracity of the data comparison.

“There’s no girth standard,” Sean Hannity stressed on his afternoon radio broad cast.

“How can you really say he’s bigger if there’s no girth standard? Longer, okay, but not necessarily bigger as a whole. I think the girth omission is telling.”

Surprisingly, Springsteen’s long-time manager also downplayed Thursday’s announcement.

“The penis measurement thing is not political,” Jon Landau insisted. “Nor, for that matter, is the new album, Magic. If, say, you’re a middle-to-upper-class Republican, I don’t think there’s anything that should stop you from spending your money on this album or this tour. Really, it’s not political. Bruce just has a bigger penis but that’s not anything new.”

Still other Springsteen insiders insist that the Boss isn’t willing to let his victory in penile measurement end the matter. Plans are in the works for additional FOIA requests, possibly to pit other members of the E Street Band against key current and former Bush administration officials.

One anonymous source indicated that the Springsteen camp is currently weighing a Clarence Clemmons versus Vice President Cheney measure-off.

“Clarence will win, don’t you worry. But Cheney’s bigger than most people think. We may not want to call attention to that fact. They love the fact that Cheney’s huge in the heartland and we’ll need to sell tickets there next spring. So they’re thinking of pitting Little Steven against [departing Bush adviser] Rove instead. Trust me, Stevie’s a lock in that one. There could be a t-shirt of that one.”

“They’d also love to show that Bruce’s testes are bigger, but that’s hard to quantify,” the source continued. “There are temperature and humidity issues. Penile length was the easiest route to go. Bruce is clearly longer and I think that’s helped him restore some of the faith he lost in America over the past six years of Republican rule.”

“Look, the bottom line is Bruce takes this personally,” said long-time Springsteen confidant Dave Marsh. “After the 2004 election, we had to peel him off the wall. I think there was a moment there where he seriously wondered if his penis was bigger than Bush’s or not. I think that’s part of the reason for the Seeger Sessions. It’s a big relief for us all to know that he’s a full three-quarters of an inch longer.”

Marsh also hinted the measurement findings could help Democrats next year.

“People will respect Bruce’s endorsement knowing that his penis is bigger than the president’s. That stuff really plays in the red states. Maybe if we had gotten this information out in ’04, things would’ve gone different, but I doubt anything could’ve overcome Republican voter suppression in Ohio. I mean, with the size of Bruce’s penis, how else can you explain Kerry not winning that state?”

Said Landua, “There’s probably some truth in that. But I can’t emphasize enough that Magic is a light, breezy, guitar-driven album that shows off E Street at its best. You shouldn’t let the fact that Bruce has a bigger penis than Bush stop you from spending money on this tour. It’s not political. Did I mention there’s a lot of Clarence on the new album. Everybody loves Clarence, right? You should buy it.”

The accuracy of Springsteen length measurement was confirmed independently by auditors from Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu.

Bush’s length came from a 2002 physical at Bethesda Medical Hospital. Physician
notes state that Bush was erect during the physical because he had confused his Viagra with his vitamin that day and couldn’t reschedule.

“Keeps knocking over instrument tray,” reads a hand-written addendum to Bush’s annual physical report, which otherwise showed the president to be in excellent health.

Springsteen has yet to comment publicly on confirmation of his larger penis but did leave Thursday’s tour rehearsal in Asbury Park with a big, goofy grin on his face.

“Bruce won’t say anything directly,” the inside source said. “But you’ll see it in his eyes.”

Senator Kennedy put the findings in perspective.

“You know, I’m bigger than both of them and so was Jack.”

09-28-2007, 09:04 AM
This topic is really hard to follow...

I couldnt read all these posts, but, my opinion in general, is that music is a form of language, that can penetrate deep in the mind of every person. So it is easy to promote your message hidden inside music. It is obvious that satanists and Atheists promote their ideas via music, it is nothing new.

09-28-2007, 11:29 AM
This thread is about my incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch, a "satanic cult," when I was a very young child and used within the Music Industry as a sex slave.

Bruce Springsteen was my main handler/controller and abuser while I was incarcerated in Project Monarch.

I was passed around to other "pedophilia" musicians as well such as Bob Dylan and Ringo Starr who were also handlers.

This thread really isn't as much about atheists and satanists hiding messages in their music as much as it is about the aforementioned.

Certainly, it's confusing. There is a lot of recall from my childhood contained within, interference from other posters and recollection from my recent infiltration back into the cult while on Springsteen's official Sony site.

Due to a political statement he made in 2003, I was drawn to his site and fell into the hands of PAST mind controllers/abusers, whose goal was to emotionally, psychologically and mentally traumatize me toward a "mental break-down," and or suicidal attempt so the end result would be either my death or institutionalization in order to silence me.

Nothing new!

An attempt to silence me again as they did decades ago when I was a child and incarcerated in the "satanic cult."

Not only about mind control within the Music Industry, but INTELLIGENCE I possess regarding the corrupt government, which was passed on to my PROTECTORS when I was a child and imprisioned in the "satanic cult."

Information about Springsteen, as well, was passed on to my protectors when I was a child, incarcerated in their "cult," but working as an OPERATIVE in order to save myself from living in their world for the rest of my life. To save myself from being a mind controlled slave for the rest of my life.

Children who are born within the cult, are abused at home, whose father's may have connections to the Mafia and are identified as talented, are exploited within many facets of entertainment and any other field in which they can serve the "secret government" and/or their masters.

NOTHING NEW, but not well-known.

There is so much more important information on this thread other than your synopsis that atheists and satanists use music to hide messages.

Perhaps, one day, you'll take the time to sift through it so that the "bigger picture" will become more clear to you.

09-28-2007, 05:39 PM
Bruce Springsteen and the "E Street Band" on the Today Show, today.

What a disaster.

Why so many guitar players who just stand around and basically do nothing?

Why do Patti and Little Steven join in on vocals at the microphone with Springsteen when you can't even hear their them sing?

The camera is always on Springsteen singing.

I guess there is a reason for that.

Like I said, guitar players who basically don't work the guitar and a drummer who is just there.

The E Street Band really needs Clarence's saxophone for them to survive.

Springsteen is beginning to look like Keith Richards.

Somewhat like a "bag lady."

Springsteen's voice is shot.

He basically screams and you can see the blood vessels in his neck bulging.

The new songs from Radio Nowhere went NOWHERE.

Very boring.

Posters at BTX are complaining about Springsteen ranting politically about the song "Livin' in the Future" and explaining what it's about. Some of them are beginning to catch on.

If a song is political or there is a theme, some say, incorporate it in the song so it's clear and you dont have to rant about it before you play it.

Whether or not they think whatever Springsteen says politically holds any water, well, some do, and some don't.

Some of the fanatics don't understand why he continues with his political rants, which are basically psychobabble and mean nothing as far as the "bigger picture" is concerned.

Folks, Springsteen isn't going to change the political mess our country is in with a song or a rant.

He is a part of the NWO.

Accept it.

09-28-2007, 05:50 PM
From BTX:

Friday's Song, "A Town Called Heartbreak"

This is one of the most pathetic threads by a Springsteen fanatic I have ever read.

Check out the lyrics to "A Town Called Heartbreak"

Man with a sledge hammer comes to Scialfa at night in her dreams.


Patti Scialfa
Town Called Heartbreak

Town Called Heartbreak
They say Love
Love has its very own light
That can shine thru the darkest night
That we've heard of
And that light
That you may want so much
Well maybe you can never touch
Though you may try
Now at night I dream
I'm all alone
Big sledge hammer and a cold dark stone
Man swing the hammer
World begin to shake
I'm just living in a town called Heartbreak

Now Eve
She stood by Adam's side
Somewhere in paradise
When the world was young
And their love
That was so pure and strong
Was cursed straight into the ground
That they walked on
Now somewhere in every kiss
I still feel the blame
Like a dirty link
In a long dark chain
Man pull the chain
World begin to shake
I'm just living in a town called

You've got to work with me baby
You've got to work with me baby

She says "man"
I've given you my flesh and blood
But that just wasn't good enough
You wanted my soul
He say's "girl"
No matter how hard I try
You just ain't ever satisfied
Oh no no no
Now at night the same dream
I'm all alone
Big sledge hammer and a cold dark stone
Man swing the hammer
World begin to shake
I'm just living in a town called Heartbreak

You've got to work with me baby
You've got to work with me baby


Someone wants her soul;

She dreams at night about a man who comes swinging a big sledge hammer and a cold dark stone;

She still feels the blame like a dirty link.

Always the word dirty with this couple.

Guess that reflects how they feel about themselves.

I wouldn't argue with that.

09-28-2007, 05:55 PM
Look at all these words to promote and describe the MAGIC album.


If something is good, it's good on sight and sound.

If it isn't, which is the case with much of Springsteen's music, media hype must be deployed to sell it.

Someone find this man an editor.


09-28-2007, 06:12 PM
Here's an excerpt from an MSNBC review of MAGIC:

"The mesmerizing title track is where Springsteen’s aforementioned dark side comes to fruition. Whether he was emotionally scarred by a magician as a young boy, or he just has it out for them, Springsteen sees these tricksters as deceitful and reprehensible, their entertainment value be damned.

With lyrics such as “I got a shiny saw blade / All I need’s a volunteer / I’ll cut you in half / While you’re smilin’ ear to ear” makes it very clear what Springsteen thinks of these slight-of-hand artists. Of course, he could be a big fan of magicians and is just toying with us."


Nice lyrics!!

Such imagery!!

"I'll cut you in half"

09-28-2007, 06:15 PM
Don't know if they'll be back or not, but the "Political World" and the "Loose Ends" forums at BTX no longer exist.

09-28-2007, 06:19 PM

When I click on a BTX link from "The Promised Land" that I have in my favorite's menu, I'm asked to log in.

When I access BTX through www.backstreets.com, this doesn't happen.

Nor does it happen when I click on one of the BTX links in this thread.

09-28-2007, 08:26 PM

This stuff about Patti is tedious.

1. She is not Yoko. She did not break up the band Bruce did. He was nearly 40 years old and bored and unhappy clearly. He wanted a change and he was going to break up the band whatever happened.

How do you know this? Are you a personal friend of the Springsteens?

2. You may not like her music or her voice. That is your opinion and all power to you. However there are many members of the E St Band who have solo stuff that I don't buy or much like. I don't hear anyone slating them off. I don't hear anyone asking why Soozie is playing violin in a rock band at all so this is just personal to Patti.

Scialfa has very little talent and adds absolutely zero to the band. She stands in a corner with an unplugged guitar and once in a while sings back-up at the microphone with Springsteen and, YOU CAN'T HEAR her when she does.

It's my opinion, after watching the TODAY SHOW that most of the band members just stand there and do very little. I wonder if the music is being piped in somehow other than Clarence's sax. They had nothing going on today on The Today Show. Or, maybe they're resentful that Scialfa is a part of the band.

3. She is not in the band because she is his wife. Bruce hired her because he likes her voice and what she adds to his music. He hired her in the same way he hired the rest of them.

How do you know this? Are you a personal friend of the Springsteens?

4. Patti had a record contract before she was a member of the E St band and she is a good singer/songwriter. You may or may not like her music but that does not mean that she is not talented. If she had not married Bruce it is likely that she could have promoted her own stuff more and probably would have been a more successful artist in her own right.

Patti is not a good singer/songwriter. She barely plays the guitar and has a grating voice. She certainly doesn't belong in a rock 'n' roll band. She's just like a YOKO or Linda McCartney. Scialfa has released three CD's and they have all been while married to Springsteen.

5. Show some respect for people. Have you ever created anything and put it out there? It is so easy to criticise but less easy to create. I happen to like Patti's music and I also like what she adds for Bruce.
I appreciate not everyone shares that view but the bile compared to anyone else in the band is unbelievable.

Why do you care if people differ from your opinion about Scialfa's talent?

6. Assuming that Patti is manipulating Bruce into giving her airtime is insulting to her and to him. Do you think he is stupid? Had it ever occurred to any of the people that bash her that he likes what she does on stage and that furthermore she is doing exactly what he asks her to ( as are the other members of the band) They don't call him the Boss for nothing.
I hope that some of these posts are from people who have not reached puberty yet because if you are out of your teens you need some therapy for your blatent misogyny.

Certainly Patti Scialfa is in the band for a reason and it has nothing to do with her talent. If Springsteen isn't stupid, why then is she there? Let's think about that one. She's there to project the image of a happily married couple for reasons which are obvious in this thread.

OOOhhhh, Scialfa is doing exactly what Springsteen asks her to do (very little, I suppose) along with the rest of the band members. THEY DON'T CALL HIM THE BOSS FOR NOTHING, you say. Why is that? Cause he's BOSSY?? He controls everyone in the Band?

You need to accept that not everyone shares the same opinion and to hold your anger in check when this occurs.

09-28-2007, 08:48 PM
A poster at BTX comments:

I loved the Today show stuff--my only real gripe is that I hope the Johnny Cash band asthetic dies a quick death. A bit of color might not say what he's trying to say, but it sure looks better from the 17th row.



If Springsteen and the band wore something other than BLACK, it might not say what Springsteen is trying to say???????

Do you know how ridiculously STUPID that sounds?????

What is it Springsteen is trying to say by donning the color black all of the time????

Is this wearing black thing another "cryptic" and left open to every-one's interpretation message?

Perhaps the MEDIA ought to get on this one and psychobabble themselves away explaining just what it is that Springsteen is saying when he wears black.

Maybe it's psychological!!!

Maybe it represents depression and the worship of DARK things.

Is that what he's tryin' to say?

If he's trying to say something, why not open his lips and stop believing that his clothes and the color they are can speak his thoughts!

09-28-2007, 08:57 PM
All of a sudden, after all these years, Springsteen's children are teenagers and Matt Lauer refers to him as a DOTING DAD!

Gee, I wonder why???

Oh, yes, the ever so protective Springsteen parents.


09-28-2007, 09:17 PM
Seems they're attempting to paint a picture of "role model" parents:

Excerpt from the link provided in the previous comment:


He may have rocked Rockefeller Center's Plaza on Friday performing with his E Street Band on the Today show, but when he's home, Bruce Springsteen is just Dad.

What else would he be? You mean, he's not THE BOSS or GOD or a HERO to his kids???

Program host Matt Lauer wondered if The Boss, 58, had trouble shifting gears from his domestic life with kids Evan, 17, Jessica, 15, and Sam, 13 back to "the rock star side of you again?"

"Noooooo," Springsteen quickly answered, as wife and bandmate Patti Scialfa, 54, standing a few feet away, shook her head no.

While Springsteen and the band launch a full-scale tour of the U.S. and Europe on Oct. 2 – their first since 2002-2003 – and run with it through Dec. 19, at home he is definitely a hands-on dad.

Every weekday morning, for instance, he and Scialfa cook a hearty breakfast for their teens: oatmeal, pancakes, bacon and scrambled eggs.

My goodness! Even pedophiles feed their children. Even normal parents feed their children. Is this information intended to impress?

The whole family also plays guitar and writes music, and Springsteen has been seen out with his kids – catching a concert with Evan at New York's Roseland Ballroom over a mid-September weekend; watching Jessica, an accomplished equestrian, compete; or walking along the beach with the children near their home on the Jersey Shore.

The whole family does things together? Oh, my. How special. The Springsteen's never cease to amaze.

"He's very genuine, very genuine," observes Today co-host Meredith Vieira, who interviewed Scialfa earlier this month for the launch of her new solo album. (Springsteen's first new record in five years with E Street Band, Magic, comes out in October.)

Yes, I'm sure Meredith knows Springsteen so well she is qualified to state whether he is genuine or not.

Vieira also tells PEOPLE that Springsteen could be unobtrusive. When Scialfa was being interviewed for the show, her husband, though there with son Sam, was hardly noticeable to Vieira.

Astounding. Vieira has determined that because Springsteen was at The View with their son, Sam, while Scialfa was being interviewed and was hardly noticeable to her that he could be unobtrusive.

Exactly why he appeared to be unobtrusive. HE WAS NOT NOTICEABLE TO YOU. You probably didn't know who he was.

"He was not trying to draw any attention to himself," she says. "He was there to support Patti."

Oh, how sweet. Meredith says that Springsteen was there to support Patti and wasn't trying to seek attention.

But onstage, The Boss is a different person. "He's one of the best performers I've ever seen," says Vieira, who saw him perform live for the first time Friday morning. "There's a recording, then there's a concert."

This was the first time Vierra has ever seen Springsteen perform, but, she's a fan, now and will most probably be attending several of his upcoming shows.

As fans packed the plaza, Springsteen played before the 7 a.m. start of the TV broadcast, and another seven numbers over the course of the next few hours.

"Matt and I were saying that we can't believe we were getting paid [to be at the performance]," says Vieira. "Matt said it's one of those days when our job is just great."

Oh, yes, I'm sure you couldn't believe you were getting paid to be at the performance. Stellar one that it was and all.

09-28-2007, 09:42 PM
The "mind control" is fascinating, to say the least.

If a poster comments that the Big Man didn't seem so well, they're right there with words of encouragement.

Oh, he's fine.

He played great.

He's a legend.

Blah, blah, blah.

The following is one of the most truly sad posts by a fan I have encountered thus far:

I Feel so Lucky to be Alive in the Time of Springsteen (Thread Title)

I mean, just think about it. We are living in a time of greatness. Bruce Springsteen is brilliant; there is no doubt in my mind that his legacy will live on for generations. But we are the lucky ones. He is creating and performing this music NOW, for US, in our lifetime (I don't mean just "us" on this board, I mean "us," the people who are alive in the world right now).

I lurk here regularly. I finally decided to register so I could write this down, because I think it all the time. I really do feel lucky.

09-29-2007, 10:51 AM
What is the deal with the phrase being used repeatedly as of late?

"They don't call him The Boss for nothing."

The Boss of whom and/or what?

The fanatics??


latching on to the phrase from one of the Magic songs and constantly posting it:

"Trust none of what you hear and less of what you see."

Don't the fanatics realize this applies to Springsteen as well.

Trust none of what he says and none of what you think you see in him.

09-29-2007, 11:09 AM
The following is a comment by a poster at BTX wondering if Springsteen is angry:

I don't know the man. This has been discussed on other threads. I have only heard Magic recently, and not with all of the lyrics. There is a post floatin around with a review, which detailed the political nature of Magic, and the broader statements Springsteen may be trying to make, beneath the surface of pop rockin music, and lyrics that go deeper than face (besides his comments before songs, at the rehearsal shows and the Today show).

Oh, yes. A review that DETAILS the political nature of Magic, although Landau said it wasn't political and the words in the songs aren't political. The reason a detailed political review is needed.

Oh, yes. Very political album. His lies before rehearsal shows about "Livin' in the Future" being about "illegal wiretapping" and torture in the USA. Yet those words don't appear in the song. And, isn't this the same song he dedicated to the Iraq war veterans with grotesque imagery? Gee. This song just about covers it all.

Aren't Springsteen and Landau on the same page?

Yes. Exactly. THE BROADER statements Springsteen may be tryin' to make, but are never clear. Does he think he holds political weight in this country? He's a musician/singer/songwriter and a mediocre one at that. That's about it. No hero. No God. Not a Boss. Not a politician. Although he should have been one. Lies through his teeth to his fanatics and they believe him.

I think, like most all of us, Springsteen loves his country deeply. I have to believe, that he appreciates all of the freedoms and rewards of living here, and his own rags to riches story. As others have said, he is taking responsibility and showing respect for those freedoms, by speaking out against what he feels is tearing at the fabric of the principles behind those freedoms. Speaking out is not anti-American, it is pro-American. To shut him up, would be anti-American.

Springsteen doesn't take responsibility for his owns actions nonetheless our freedoms by speaking out. He's a part of the entity that is stripping Americans of their freedoms. The reason he went from rags to riches.

The very passsion he has brought for years to his music, has now expanded to a broader arena, and he is gonna write about it, and talk about it. There is no goin back for Springsteen, and not for us, the fans, and those who don't like it have every right to say so, but will have to deal with it (just like Springsteen is trying to deal with what he wishes he could make right).

His music hasn't expanded to any broader arena. Some "brainwashing" going on here. What's his point? No one cares what the man has to say politically. Like I said, he has all the attributes they seek in politicians. Liars, sexually deviant behavior, pedophilia, mind control on his fans.

I think he is ANGRY (no big intellectual conclusion here, just sayin), at the direction our country has gone, and at our citizens to some degree, for letting it happen. I believe this anger and frustration would be directed no doubt at George Bush and Republicans, but also at Democrats, himself, none of us can be totally blamed, but none of us got no dirt on our hands.

Springsteen is angry at OUR CITIZENS FOR LETTING OUR COUNTRY GO INTO THE DIRECTIONS IT HAS GONE!! Get real, pal. Blame the citizens. So glad you have such in depth knowledge about Springsteen's opinions. Let Springsteen direct his anger at himself. What nerve to blame the citizens when politicians are to blame and he, himself, being a part of their "cult." I HAVE NO DIRT ON MY HANDS!!!

I hope that these issues are not preventing him from making the best of and enjoying his private family circle, which should/could be his safe haven, though the Tunnel of Love can also be fraught with dangers.

The Tunnel of Love can also be fraught with dangers??? He's still in there???

I respect the hell out of him. And now I have to and am excited about taking a much closer look at his new music, on the record, and on tour.

It's your right to respect the hell out of a pedophile, if you so choose.

It can be no accident that by speaking out (as others have said), he has gotten the BTX community talking and thinking. While some of this changes nothing, and is the same ol' bitchin and finger pointin, there always is the possibility of something positive coming out of it, by shaking things up a little.

Thinking about what?? What tour they're going to? How many shows they'll see? Springsteen isn't shaking anything up.

Isn't that part of the heart of rock and roll anyhow?

(besides the SEX)

09-29-2007, 11:28 AM
A poster at BTX comments:

I just wanted to take a moment to say I am so amazed at the ways in which Bruce brings people together, and to thank you guys for being living demonstrations of that.

Springsteen brings the FANATICS together. That's about all and by their comments, it seems they're pretty much at odds with each other over the man.

Until yesterday, I was an E Street Band virgin and I wanted to see the band SO badly I could taste it!!!! I experienced the devastation of getting shut out of the rehearsal shows, including a plan that fell through due to a TicketMaster error.

Poor thing!

But I received so much support and love from so many people here, I was amazed. So many of you, both on the boards and in PM's, sent me words of encouragement and enthusiasm. THANK YOU.

Support and love from the BTXers. I'm sure you couldn't have made it through without them. Oh, yes. Encouraging you to keep tryin' for those tickets.

And then RumbleDoll52 took me to the front row of The Today Show and "broke my cherry"


Thank you, Joanna, and all of you who have demonstrated the spirit of BTX to this newbie.

Bruce's music has the power to transform, to heal, to inspire. Thanks to everyone here who has helped me experience that--and I am looking forward to passing that on in the future.

Springsteen's music doesn't have power to transform or heal anyone or anything. If it did, he ought to use it on himself. It's corrupting. His music is not inspirational. Or, haven't you noticed? Very dark and immoral themes.

09-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Why doesn't this writer publish a book while he's at it?

New York Times article about Springsteen.


09-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Why doesn't this writer publish a book while he's at it?

New York Times article about Springsteen.


Page One:

IT was the last day of summer, but on the boardwalk here it seemed more like a perfect morning in early July: the Atlantic Ocean sparkled under a cloudless sky; the humid air was soothed by a soft, salty breeze. I looked down the empty beach, past the souvenir shops and snack bars with their fresh paint and new green awnings, toward the proud Victorian hulk of the old Casino, and felt that I had walked into a Bruce Springsteen song. (Oh, I don’t know. Maybe “Fourth of July, Asbury Park.” Or is that too obvious?)

The feeling, no less potent for being self-induced, had been with me all morning. Bright and early, me and my girl — my wife of nearly two decades, that is — had let the screen door slam, dropped off the kids at school and set out on the open road, blowing through the E-ZPass lanes on the Garden State Parkway in our Volvo station wagon. We had an advance copy of Mr. Springsteen’s new album, “Magic,” in the CD slot, and most of his back catalog in reserve on the iPod. And now we were driving down Kingsley, figuring we’d get a latte. One more chance to make it real. Tramps like us, baby!

Have you been sucked into Bruce speak and are you living in the fairy-tale world he created for you, too? Certainly sounds like it.

Our purpose was not to fantasize but rather to observe the E Street Band in rehearsal, and then to hear what the man himself had to say about the new record, the coming tour and whatever else was on his mind. “Magic” is, musically, one of the most upbeat, accessible records he has made, even as its themes and stories make it one of his most political. Once again he is hitting the road as a presidential election heats up.

Sorry, pal, but it's only political when the man lies about the theme in the songs which, well, just aren't there. What's an accessible record? Oh, my. Springsteen is hitting the road while a presidential election heats up. I'm sure touring with this so very political album will definitely have an impact on the outcome of the Presidential election. Yep. Cause Springsteen has definitely enlightened us as to matters of which we are not aware. Right!!

“I like coming out on those years,” he would tell me later, when we sat down to talk in a backstage dressing room after the rehearsal. “Whatever small little bit we can do, that’s a good time to do it.”

Small little bit you can do for what? The man is a liar and delusional. Your music and your political comments have no impact on the course of our world. You are a part of the CULT or have you forgotten you sold your soul to the devil for fortune and fame. Paid the price to the music mobsters and your masters.

At an age when most rock ’n’ rollers, if they’re still alive, have become either tributes to or parodies of their earlier selves, Mr. Springsteen seems to have settled into an enviable groove, with new musical forms to explore and an existing body of work that never seems to get old, with plenty to say and an audience that hangs on his every word.

His existing body of work is very old. You got that right. An audience that hangs onto his every word. What fools!

In which — as if it weren’t already obvious — I include myself. I’ve been listening to Bruce Springsteen for a long time, but I can’t pretend that he provided the soundtrack for my youth. I spent my teenage years in the thrall of punk rock and its various aftermaths and came to Springsteen late, past the stage of life when his great anthems of romance, rebellion and escape might have had their most direct impact. As a result, I associate his work with the sorrows and satisfactions of adulthood; it’s music to grow up to, not out of.

It's music that keeps you in his depressed world, emotionally connected to his misery and in a child-like state.

Mr. Springsteen’s best songs, it seems to me, are about compromise and stoicism; disappointment and faith; work, patience and resignation. They are also, frequently — even the ones he wrote when he was still in his 20s — about nostalgia, about the desire to recapture those fleeting moments of intensity and possibility we associate with being young.

Don't forget the songs about "little girls," sexually deviant behavior, as well. Lots of them.

Moments that tend, not coincidentally, to crystallize within a certain kind of popular song. A song, let’s say, like “Girls in Their Summer Clothes,” which arrives smack in the middle of “Magic” and which the E Street Band was in the middle of playing when my wife and I tiptoed through the doors of the Asbury Park Convention Hall. It was a little after 10; the band was about an hour into its morning rehearsal, preparing for a tour of North America and Europe that kicks off on Tuesday in Hartford.

The Convention Hall is a battered, pocket-size arena where, as a teenager, Mr. Springsteen saw bands like the Who and the Doors. This morning it was filled with a shimmery, summery sound, as if we had traveled back 40 years into the mid-’60s sonic landscape of Phil Spector, Brian Wilson and the Byrds. Steve van Zandt was strumming a 12-string guitar, and the vocal harmonies, the chiming keyboards, Clarence Clemons’s saxophone and Soozie Tyrell’s violin combined to produce a lush orchestral cushion for Mr. Springsteen’s voice, which swooned through a lyric as unabashedly romantic as the song’s title.

“I wanted one thing on the record that was the perfect pop universe,” Mr. Springsteen said, once the band had wandered off and he had finished an early lunch of granola with fresh fruit and soy milk. It was two days before his 58th birthday, and he looked trimmer and tanner than he had the last time I’d seen him, which was on the JumboTron video screen at Giants Stadium a few years back. “You know, that day when it’s all right there; it’s the world that only exists in pop songs, and once in a while you stumble on it.”

Sorry, but you don't have any one song on the record that is the perfect pop universe. Again, you are speaking as if you are a delusional man. Or, a liar. Or, both. The world that only exists in POP songs??? Huh???

Not that “Girls in Their Summer Clothes” is untouched by melancholy. Its narrator, after all, stands and watches as the girls of the title “pass me by.” “It’s the longing, the unrequited longing for that perfect world,” Mr. Springsteen continued. “Pop is funny. It’s a tease. It’s an important one, but it’s a tease, and therein resides its beauty and its joke.”

Girls in Their Summer Clothes is about the unrequited longing for that perfect world. HUH?? A perfect world of girls in their summer clothes. Pop is a tease??? Huh??? It's an important tease?? Huh??? Therein resides its' beauty and its joke?? Huh??? You're a joke. Would be better if you just kept the explanations to yourself.

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And much of “Magic,” on first hearing, seems to unfold in a similar spirit. There is a brightness of sound and a lightness of touch that are not quite like anything else Mr. Springsteen has done recently. In the past five years he has released four albums of original material, a zigzag through new and familiar styles and idioms. “The Rising” (2002) brought the E Street Band back into the studio after a long hiatus (their sound updated by the producer Brendan O’Brien) and answered the trauma of 9/11 with the defiant, redemptive roar of solid, down-the-middle rock. With “Devils and Dust” (2005) Mr. Springsteen picked up the thread of Western stories and acoustic ballads that stretched back through other non-E Street projects like “The Ghost of Tom Joad” and “Nebraska” (as well as some parts of “The River”). “The Seeger Sessions,” released last year, was an old-time old-lefty hootenanny, with a big, unruly jug band rollicking through spirituals, union songs and Dust Bowl ballads.

All of those discs were infused with Mr. Springsteen’s bedrock populism, but none was quite what you would call a pop record. Pop, though, is the term he and his band mates use, again and again, to describe “Magic.” Mr. Van Zandt, who has been playing and arguing about music with Mr. Springsteen for 40 years (scholars cite Nov. 3, 1967, as the date of their first meeting), noted that in the past Mr. Springsteen’s more tuneful, playful compositions tended not to make it onto albums.

I thought Van Zandt said this was the last great rock 'n' roll record. Now, all of a sudden it's POP. I don't think they know what type of music they're playing or what type of songs they're singing.

“It was nice on this one to start to be a little bit more inclusive,” he said in a telephone interview a few days after my visit to Asbury Park, “with a little bit more of the poppier side of things, without losing any of the integrity, or any of the high standards. That was a nice surprise, a nice change of pace to include those things and integrate them into the album, rather than having them be fun to record and then cast them aside.”

Huh?? Oh, sorry. It's Springsteen psychobabble. His songs are just so DEEP, they lose their meaning in lyrics and he, therefore, has to explain them. I think this is a sign of a poor songwriter.

For his part, Mr. Springsteen said that in writing the songs for “Magic,” he had experienced “a reinfatuation with pop music.” “I went back to some forms that I either hadn’t used previously or hadn’t used a lot, which was actual pop productions,” he said. “I wrote a lot of hooks. That was just the way that the songs started to write themselves, I think because I felt free enough that I wasn’t afraid of the pop music. In the past I wanted to make sure that my music was tough enough for the stories I was going to tell.”

Oh, goodness. The Boss experienced a re-infatuation with POP music and he wrote a lot of HOOKS. Oh, my. He felt FREE enough and he wasn't afraid of the pop music. Does it bite or something? Oh, yes, your music in the past had to be tough enough for those stories you tell of your sexually deviant behavior and immoral characteristics.

The paradox of “Magic” may be that some of its stories are among the toughest he has told. The album is sometimes a tease but rarely a joke. The title track, for instance, comes across as a seductive bit of carnival patter, something you might have heard on the Asbury Park boardwalk in the old days. A magician, his voice whispery and insinuating in a minor key, lures you in with descriptions of his tricks that grow more sinister with each verse. (“I’ve got a shiny saw blade/All I need’s a volunteer.”) “Trust none of what you hear/And less of what you see,” he warns. And the song’s refrain — “This is what will be” — grows more chilling as you absorb the rest of the album’s nuances and shadows.

The paradox is that he tells even tougher stories in Magic. Oh, yes. Such tough stories of a magician and a man who can't find his way home in Radio Nowhere. Very tough stories, indeed. Heartbreaking. Yes, please absorb the rest of the album's nuances and shadows because it grows more chilling especially the line, "This is what will be." Really, he'll cut you in half and this is what will be? He rejects the current administration, but "This is what will be." Whatever! Like I said. The right hand doesn't know what his left hand is doing. Or, maybe he's speaking from both sides of his mouth.

You can always trust what you hear on a Bruce Springsteen record (irony, he notes, is not something he’s known for), but in this case it pays to listen closely, to make note of the darkness, so to speak, that hovers at the edge of the shiny hooks and harmonies. “I took these forms and this classic pop language and I threaded it through with uneasiness,” Mr. Springsteen said.

You can trust nothing of what you hear on a Bruce Springsteen album. The man doesn't even trust himself. He is not to be trusted. Oh, what a magician, Springsteen is. He took these forms and this classic pop language and he threaded it through with uneasiness. What a genius. This, the reason to listen closely for the darkness that hovers at the edge of the shiny hooks and harmonies.

And while the songs on “Magic” characteristically avoid explicit topical references, there is no mistaking that the source of the unease is, to a great extent, political. The title track, Mr. Springsteen explained, is about the manufacture of illusion, about the Bush administration’s stated commitment to creating its own reality.

There is no unease in the Magic songs and they are not political. Instead of saying it in the song, Magic, Springsteen explains that the title track, Magic, is about illusion. About the Bush administration's stated commitment to creating its' own reality. You manufacture illusion and create a reality for your fans. Landau says the CD isn't political, but now, the song Magic is about the Bush administration. Give me a break. Try saying it with lyrics that speak to what you state the song is about. What a liar. This is what the song "Magic" is about. Unbelievable.

“This is a record about self-subversion,” he told me, about the way the country has sabotaged and corrupted its ideals and traditions. And in its own way the album itself is deliberately self-subverting, troubling its smooth, pleasing surfaces with the blunt acknowledgment of some rough, unpleasant facts.

This album is about none of that. The Country has sabotaged and corrupted its ideals and traditions?? Springsteen blames the country and not the "satanic cult" of which he is a part or the NWO of which he welcomes his fans to in one of his songs and in this new CD with the words, "This is what will be." Oh, yes, in its' own way the album deliberately self-subverted itself, but yet it encompasses blunt acknowledgment. Sorry, but that's contradicting. None of the songs on Magic expose any rough, unpleasant facts.

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“Magic” picks up where “The Rising” left off and takes stock of what has happened in this country since Sept. 11. Then, the collective experiences of grief and terror were up front. Now those same emotions lurk just below the surface, which means that the catharsis of rock ’n’ roll uplift is harder to come by. The key words of “The Rising” were hope, love, strength, faith, and they were grounded in a collective experience of mourning. There is more loneliness in “Magic,” and, notwithstanding the relaxed pop mood, a lot less optimism.

Magic is not a sequel to The Rising. Do you believe everything Springsteen tells you? How much do they pay you to write this crap? Trust none of what he speaks. Is this the only way the man can sell a record? Attempting to politicize and capitalize on the grief of our citizens when he is a part of the 'cult' that causes this grief?

Bruce Springsteen on the Album Title, Magic (mp3)The stories told in songs like “Gypsy Biker” and “The Devil’s Arcade” are vignettes of private loss suffered by the lovers and friends of soldiers whose lives were shattered or ended in Iraq. “The record is a tallying of cost and of loss,” Mr. Springsteen said. “That’s the burden of adulthood, period. But that’s the burden of adulthood in these times, squared.”

By the lovers and friends?? What about family? Good thing Springsteen is so emotionally attached to the grief of others that he writes two songs supposedly about Iraq war soldiers/veterans, uses the word DEVIL in both, blood in both. Springsteen says the record is a tallying of cost and of loss. HUH??? That's the burden of adulthood? I can't read this man's psychobabble any longer. I guess he leaves his songs without themes because he enjoys lying about them in interviews, same as his wife, and watching his fans fall for it and writers print it. Makes him feel powerful, I assume.

In conversation, Mr. Springsteen has a lot to say about what has happened in America over the last six years: “Disheartening and heartbreaking. Not to mention enraging” is how he sums it up. But his most direct and powerful statement comes, as you might expect, onstage. It is not anything he says or sings, but rather a piece of musical dramaturgy, the apparently simple, technical matter of shifting from one song to the next.

Oh, please. Who cares if he is enraged. As if it affects him. He's protected because he's one of them. No one cares if Springsteen is enraged. It's all a show. He's a liar. Supposedly Springsteen has a lot to say about America but, doesn't say it in his songs or in this interview. Instead, his most direct and powerful statement comes, onstage. This is accomplished not by anything he says or songs, but by shifting from one song to the next. Just like a magician. Creating an illusion.

On the Convention Hall stage, the band handled the new material as deftly as the chestnuts — after 35 years together, communication is pretty much effortless — pausing to work out an occasional kink or adjust the sound mix. But they must have gone over the segue from “The Rising” to their next number at least a half-dozen times.

“You’ve got to let that chord sustain. Everybody!” Mr. Springsteen urged. “It can’t die down.”

Oh, what a leader. Imagine if that chord didn't sustain. The fall-out!

The guitarists had the extra challenge of keeping the sound going while changing instruments, a series of baton-relay sprints for the crew whose job was to assist with the switch, until a dissonant organ ring came in to signal a change of key and the thunderous opening of “Last to Die.” It’s not much of an exaggeration to say that Mr. Springsteen’s take on the post-9/11 history of the United States can be measured in the space between the choruses of those two songs. The audience is hurled from a rousing exhortation (“Come on up to the rising”) to a grim, familiar question: “Who’ll be the last to die for a mistake?”

It's not an exaggeration to say that Mr. Springsteen's take on post 9/11 history of the US can be measured in the space between the choruses of those to songs. Oh, please. You just exaggerated.

“That’s why we had to get that very right today,” he said later. “You saw us working on it. That thing has to come down like the world’s falling on you, that first chord. It’s got to screech at the end of ‘The Rising,’ and then it’s got to crack, rumble. The whole night is going to turn on that segue. That’s what we’re up there for right now, that 30 seconds.”

Why do you want your fans to think the world is falling on them? So, you can save them? The whole night is going to turn on that segue. That's why they're up there right now. For that 30 seconds. Oh, yes and when that happens, the earth will stop spinning on its' axis.

But the night does not end there. Onstage, “Last to Die” is followed, as it is on the album, by a song called “Long Walk Home.” In the first verse, the speaker travels to some familiar hometown spots and experiences an alienation made especially haunting by the language in which he describes it: “I looked into their faces/They were all rank strangers to me.” That curious, archaic turn of phrase — rank strangers — evokes an eerie old mountain lament of the same title, recorded by the Stanley Brothers.

Oh, yes. The words, Rank Strangers, in the song evokes so much.

“In that particular song a guy comes back to his town and recognizes nothing and is recognized by nothing,” Mr. Springsteen said. “The singer in ‘Long Walk Home,’ that’s his experience. His world has changed. The things that he thought he knew, the people who he thought he knew, whose ideals he had something in common with, are like strangers. The world that he knew feels totally alien. I think that’s what’s happened in this country in the past six years.”

Your opinion about people in this country is off.

And so the song’s images of a vanished small town life (“The diner was shuttered and boarded/With a sign that just said ‘gone’ “) turn into metaphors, the last of which is delivered with the clarity and force that has distinguished Mr. Springsteen’s best writing:

Oh, yes. The diner was shuttered and boarded with a sign that just said "gone." YEP. That's what it's like all across the world and America. People go back to their town and recognize nothing and are recoginzed by nothing. Everyone is a rank stranger.

My father said “Son, we’re

lucky in this town

It’s a beautiful place to be born.

It just wraps its arms around you

Nobody crowds you, nobody goes it alone.

You know that flag

flying over the courthouse

Means certain things are set in stone

Who we are, and what we’ll do

And what we won’t”

It’s gonna be a long walk home.

“That’s the end of the story we’re telling on a nightly basis,” Mr. Springsteen said. “Because that’s the way it’s supposed to be. And that’s not the way it is right now.”

Oh, yes. The END of the story you're telling on a nightly basis. Thank GOD for that. You seriously believe there isn't one town in America where people look out for each other.

09-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Entertainment Weekly Springsteen Magic CD Review:

"Bruce Springsteen is back in the masterpiece business"

by Chris Willman

''Have a little faith/There's magic in the night,'' Bruce Springsteen sang on 1975's ''Thunder Road.'' And for keeping the faith along the decades of back roads and stylistic detours, fans get their beautiful reward with Magic, his best record since The River in 1980. If such devotees assumed that the new album's title was a nod to rekindling the tattered romanticism of his salad days, they wouldn't be wrong. Magic marks only the second instance in more than two decades that Springsteen has made a studio CD with the E Street Band — and unlike the last reunion, he's not resisting their signature sound. Synths get a breather so Roy Bittan can return to those classic piano arpeggios; stirring key changes are again signaled by Clarence Clemons' sax solos; arena-friendly sing-alongs arrive in quick succession. If you were raised on this stuff, you may experience the giddy sensation that the world has been set aright again.

Fans, for keeping the faith, get their beautiful reward, MAGIC. How, well, how, ridiculous. Three decades later. This writer thinks MAGIC is Springsteen's best since 1980. Actually, that's in par with what I and another writer have said. Not that Magic is good by any means, but that Springsteen hasn't produced anything worthy of recognition since the 80's. This is the second instance in more than two decades that Springsteen has made a studio CD with the E Street Band.

So why is Springsteen looking so damned surly on the cover? You didn't really expect a guy who devoted his recent career to sober fare like Devils & Dust to completely recalibrate his political serotonin levels, did you? In the tradition of Born in the U.S.A., the celebrative group spirit is also a buffer for his dark materials. Springsteen's sour expression is merely the first hint that his CD's simplistic name is actually a double entendre. When the spooky title track finally arrives, he's playing the part of an enigmatic illusionist who seems a little too eager to ''cut you in half, while you're smilin' ear to ear.'' It turns out Springsteen was also thinking of magic in the sense of smoke and mirrors, as favored by snake-oil salesmen and senators alike. You don't need a semiotics degree to guess that he's getting allegorical about leaders using the War on Terror to pull off some sleight of hand. That becomes clear in songs such as the soldiers' elegy ''Gypsy Biker,'' which includes asides like ''The speculators made their money on the blood you shed.'' Note to self: World not set aright after all, despite reassuring Danny Federici organ fills.

What are you talking about? Springsteen looks surly on the cover of Magic because Devils and Dust and MAGIC are political albums. Oh, yes, so political it doesn't seems anyone can find the political commentary. Quite frankly, no one truly cares what Springsteen's political banter or beliefs are. Now, you don't need a semiotics degree to guess that he's getting allegorical about leaders using the War on Terror to pull off some sleight of hand, you say.

No, but his fans need a writer like you to brainwash them into believing this album has anything to do with the War on Terror (first time I've seen this used) because, obviously, most of his fans can't connect to any of the songs. They are fractured as usual and don't specifically mention anything about politics. Left open to the imagination for writers like you so Springsteen can sell his fans more bullshit.

His songs are written by a man who goes in and out of different alters and the subject matter is not what you describe at all.

His songs are written with sexual programming triggers, embedded messages and to keep his fans guessing as to what he's talking about most times that keep them coming back for more and continuing to be trapped in his world of illusion, deceit, trickery and lies.

Oh, the mystery!

Springsteen is a NWO operative.

He's a mind controller/abuser/pedophile and one who worships Satan with the rest of them.

He could care less about the direction of this country.

He's safe. Because he is one of THEM. He sold himself to the devil for fortune and fame. He stayed within the cult so he would be protected from the direction in which our country is headed. Yet, he espouses his concern.

Bullshit artist. Fairy-tale artist.

He cares about making money for himself and the music mobsters who own him.

He's a slave. He's not a boss.

His fans wonder what most of his songs are about. Like I said, most people love mystery. Most of his songs are nonsensical. Sorry, but nothing political becomes clear in any of the Magic songs. The only thing that becomes clear is that Springsteen and music critics lie through their teeth about him and his songs.

There is no trickery, however, to the naturalness of the band vibe here. On 2002's emotional but musically uneven The Rising, you could sense everyone straining with producer Brendan O'Brien to figure out how to bring the E Street Band into the 21st century — then finally arriving at what felt like a Springsteen ''solo'' album that happened to graft in the old gang. But Magic, also produced by O'Brien, gets it right from the start by mostly ditching recent rootsy flavorings for a compressed wall of sound. Sometimes that wall is gorgeously Spectorian, as with the glockenspiel-and-timpani-adorned pop stunners ''Girls in Their Summer Clothes'' and ''Your Own Worst Enemy,'' which Springsteen delivers in a tender, rasp-free register barely heard since ''Born to Run.'' Sometimes it's a garage wall, as on ''Radio Nowhere,'' which gives axman (and ex- Sopranos hitman) Little Steven a cranky guitar blowout to play, unapologetically, on his garage-rock radio show.

There is however, plenty trickery in what you write about Springsteen, his songs and what Springsteen, himself, states about his songs. Trickery, deceit and lies.

If there's another ''Glory Days'' here — an inevitable concert standby that Bon Jovi will spend the next decade trying to rip off — it's ''Livin' in the Future,'' an insanely jubilant celebration of denial as a coping mechanism. ''None of this has happened yet,'' the gleeful choruses insist as Clemons wails on his horn and everyone joins in a ''na-na-na-na-na'' cheer. This, despite almost apocalyptic verses about how the singer's ''faith's been torn asunder'' by both his girl and his country. That's one of many Magic passages where it's intriguingly, purposely unclear whether Springsteen is describing wartime malaise and social dystopia or simply a bust-up between lovers.

Who cares what Springsteen is describing. Not many pay attention to his stories. Yes, Springsteen, the psychologist. Pay to see him so he can solve all your problems through verse. His songs are most times unclear, because, in the end, as he says, you have to look at a song and not know where it came from. He doesn't even know what he's written about after he awakes from an altered state. Then, the spinning begins.

No album could say more about the uncertain national mood of 2007, though that's only part of the set design. Springsteen's topical allusions are unspecific enough that Magic will remain enchanting after we get these American messes straightened out, in 5, 10, 50 years. Still, he does finally bring the war to the fore in the climactic ''Devil's Arcade,'' and an album that began with Bruce yelling ''Is there anybody alive out there?'' ends on real matters of life and death. This big, slow-building ballad finds a young woman visiting her beloved in a military hospital, whispering promises of an idyllic suburban future and finally repeating the line ''the beat of your heart'' over and over, as if that very incantation could keep him tethered to the corporeal world. It's a moment that will break even a hardened rock fan's heart. But by then your resolve might already be melting from the realization that, three and a half decades into his career, Bruce Springsteen is back in the masterpiece business.

Thank goodness Springsteen produced an album that speaks to the uncertainly of the national mood of 2007. Just what we needed. How could an album with topical allusions that are unspecific remain enchanting after we get these American messes straightened out in 5, 10, 50 years.

They need to be specific to remain significant and not ENCHANTING. Who wants enchanting?

Oh, yes, I'm sure this album will be accredited with getting these American messes straightened out. Springsteen is a part of the mess. No one should dedicate a song about Iraq war veterans to them with the word DEVIL in it. The man has no etiquette. Really? Military hospital is mentioned in the song?? Don't think so. These writers love filling in the gaps that Springsteen intentionally leaves open for them after providing lee-way with his psychobabble explanations.

The moment isn't going to break any one's heart because the song is shallow simply because of the way he capitalizes on the misfortune of other people's lives. Really? Took him 3-1/2 decades to produce another masterpiece? What was the first one?

09-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Springsteen and E Street recapture old ‘Magic’
Bruce and band lean into the songs with no-nonsense vigor. It's about time.
By Greg Kot

Tribune music critic

On his new album with the E Street Band, "Magic" (Columbia), due out Tuesday, Bruce Springsteen gets down to business behind a small army of overdriven guitars.

"This is radio nowhere / Is there anybody alive out there?"

"Radio Nowhere" qualifies as a near-parody of Springsteen-speak with its references to "the last long American night" and "driving through the misty rain ... searching for a mystery train." But it's also a reaffirmation that Springsteen and the E Street Band are still a pretty good rock band when they want to be. Everything feels just a little rushed, breathless; even saxophonist Clarence Clemons, who essentially plays the same solo every time, keeps his contribution quick and dirty.

Yeah. "Last Long American Night," misty rain, mystery train. Same ole,' same ole.'

"Radio Nowhere" shares a chord progression with Tommy Tutone's 1982 hit "867-5309/Jenny." But it also sets the tone for an album that sounds every bit as disillusioned as Springsteen's "Darkness on the Edge of Town" did in 1978. Its characters feel disconnected from home, family, country, themselves. They wonder what they've become, and why. "Magic" doesn't resort to war-is-bad administration-bashing. It's a protest album that evokes rather than preaches.

Oh, yes, the always so disillusioned Springsteen. Of course, are his so-called characters ever connected to anyone or anything except SEX?

Magic is not a protest album and it doesn't evoke much of anything except what the hell is he talking about?

Central to its tone is that Springsteen and the E Street Band lean into the songs with no-nonsense vigor. It's about time. The singer and the E Streeters have been an off-and-on proposition for two decades. They part ways, get back together and cash in big-time on the road (a forthcoming tour includes shows Oct. 21-22 at the United Center). But their prime currency has been nostalgia. They haven't made a great album together in 23 years. The 2002 Springsteen-E Street reunion album, "The Rising," embraced Celtic music, gospel and country, and felt soft.

This writer says that the E Street Band hasn't made a great album in 23 years. This one won't be on the list either.

On "Magic," the Brendan O'Brien production is still big and polished, but it's not fussy. Saxophones, keyboards and strings mostly provide ornamentation. The focus is on Max Weinberg's drums and the guitars of Springsteen, Steve Van Zandt and Nils Lofgren.

The bolder sound suits the subject matter. The songs are crowded with outcasts and walking wounded. "Gypsy Biker" oozes the menace of an Ennio Morricone spaghetti western soundtrack, with harmonica whining and guitar strings bending with menace. "The Last to Die" ostensibly chronicles the flight of two desperadoes with a blood-pumping groove. But it turns on a question that directly addresses an interminable desert war: "Who will be the last to die for a mistake?"

Springsteen songs are always crowded with outcasts!

"Long Walk Home" blasts a war veteran's feeling of abandonment through the amplifiers. He returns to the town where he was born only to find the residents are "all rank strangers to me." The values his father once imparted have vanished. "Devil's Arcade" chronicles a slow, lonely decline in an inhospitable place, the string arrangement thick as desert sand. The singer also puts a fresh spin on his love for classic rock and soul. "Your Own Worst Enemy" is the kind of string-swathed ballad that Ben E. King might have coveted. Except it's a cold-sweat nightmare.

Nice song for a veteran. He returns to a town where everyone is a rank stranger. How 'bout the town embracing him? Having a parade? Many town do this.

"Girls in Their Summer Clothes" glories in Phil Spector/Beach Boys romanticism, but it seethes with frustration. When the narrator vows to "burn this town down," it doesn't sound like he's born to run, but barging into the blackness with a case of lighter fluid.

Burn this town down?? Don't think this is the first time Springsteen has used this line in a song. Really? Burn this town down doesn't sound like he's born to run? He's barging into the blackness with a case of lighter fluid!! NICE!!! How uplifting!!

Even more disquieting images pack the title song. "I'll cut you in half while you're smilin' at me," the magician declares. The song turns into a scene out of "War of the Worlds": Citizens flee their homes, fire spreads and "somebody's hanging in the trees."

YES, VERY DISQUIETING IMAGES. From this song, and nowhere in the song does it say this, the writer ascertains that there is a scene out of "War of the Worlds" and citizens flee their home, fire spreads and some body's hanging in the trees." Whatever!! I guess you'll say anything if they pay you.

Certain songs don't just echo the past, they openly mimic it. "I'll Work for Your Love" rejiggers the 1973 romantic declaration "I Came for You." And "Livin' in the Future" swaggers like the second coming of the 1975 R&B rave-up "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out." But the comforting sounds are often deceptive. Election day rolls around on the latter song, and a menacing stranger arrives with "the barrel of a pistol spinnin' round."

It makes for an album in which Springsteen and the E Street Band conjure the ghosts of their hardest-hitting music, 1975-80. But the singer's lyrics don't look back. They are about right now and a scary, uncertain future."

The lyrics aren't about right now and a scary, uncertain future. If they were, the words within would say so. You wouldn't have to lie about them and neither would Springsteen.

What? Is Springsteen a fear monger like the rest of them?

09-29-2007, 08:38 PM
Oh, please!!

A post from a BTXer:

Patti Scialfa has been a singer/musician/songwriter since she was 15 years old...her musical resume goes back to late 1968. It's a pretty damn impressive resume too, one which (in my opinion) her Management and her PR machine have done a pathetic job at highlighting. Music has been Patti's life...she has done the hard yards.....just as Bruce did.


She certainly hasn't come very far since her resume in 1968.

An impressive resume???


Three CD's since her marriage to Springsteen?

Oh, yes very impressive.

Management and PR haven't done a pathetic job at highlighting Scialfa's music.

It doesn't deserve to be highlighted.

That's why it hasn't been.

Springsteen and Scialfa are dueting a song from her latest CD.

At a rehearsal show, there were boos and Springsteen said, it's a good album and I'm going to plug it. Besides, it's about me.

Scialfa's CD is about him!!

Is he the man that comes to her at night with the big sledge hammer?

Is he ELIVS in her song, "Looking for Elvis?"


Why does Scialfa subject herself to such embarrassment and negativity?

Why does Springsteen subject his fans to his wife whom many of them would prefer was out of sight, such as not on the stage?

Why doesn't someone tell her that her career is over and it never was?

Why would anyone want to sing in front of a crowd the boos you??

Scialfa is just like Yoko and Linda. All three with very little talent no matter how long any of them were in the music industry.

I have no clue why it is so important for Springsteen's fans to believe Magic is a political album.


Why it is so important that Springsteen say it is a political album.

Maybe, it's because Landau said it wasn't political and, when it was released, everyone was shaking their head wondering what in the hell it was about so they had to SPIN it that way.

Oh, yes.

I'm sure when Springsteen releases a political song, the "powers that be" are shakin' in their boots.

Seriously, Springsteen hasn't told anyone anything about the state of our country that we don't already know.


Did he expose some secret the rest of the country isn't aware of about the "secret government," or the "satanic cult" of which he is a part and, that very "cult" being the responsible entity for the state of our union.

Of course not.

He keeps his fans attached to him through deceit and lies.

As if he's protesting the very same "cabal" of which he is a member.

Will any political statement or song Springsteen or any musician write ever affect and change our world for the better?


It will suck in a following for new artists, just like in the 60's and keep the "sheeple" following their masters for the older artists.

They're all too far gone to go astray.

09-29-2007, 08:43 PM
Yes, you heard Springsteen say the following on The Today Show:

One of the things Great About America Is Tim Russerts New Haircut.

Yep. That makes America great.

09-29-2007, 09:13 PM
Springsteen should be on the "Least Sexiest Men Alive" list.

Favorite line in a Magic song by one of the posters at BTX is:


Springsteen stacks bodies outside the door?

Another poster comments:

Some don't like the line "When they build you brother, they broke the mold", but I like it very much.

This poster thinks the line: "We just stack the bodies outside the door" is very powerful and people are dancing to it.


Wonderfully powerful line to dance to.

I always dance about when I hear someone sing that they just stack the bodies outside the door.

09-29-2007, 09:22 PM
All BRUCE all the TIME!

2Hearts comments re Springsteen on sirius radio:

I'm listening right now (why aren't you?) and from what I heard earlier today, it's the former. People name their top five live performances, and they play them in order, with the person's commentary prior to each song. Definitely unreleased.

I'm not listening because I have better things to do.

An aside, they just finished playing The Tower Theatre, 12.30.75, entire show, which included an incredibly intense and moving version of "For You."

Intense! My goodness.

And our own Chris is doing regular "E Street Reports." Today, there were a few a recaps of yesterday, from the "Today" show through last night's rehearsal show at CAA. He cited "Reason to Believe" as notable.

Recap this and recap that.

Really good stuff. I can't turn it off. "Valentine's Day" playing now. What I wouldn't give to hear that one live.

We know you can't turn it off. Your obsession with Springsteen is obvious.

09-30-2007, 07:16 AM
Unless I were to witness with my own eyes, Springsteen speaking this psychobabble in person or over the telephone to any of the so-called music critics who weave this incredible story that he supposedly tells in his MAGIC CD, I would be of the opinion that HE never said it.

09-30-2007, 12:41 PM
Pamela Springsteen over at BTX in the Political World asks the following:

I've seen several threads asking why Bruce has to be "political" in his new songs. I ask, "Why not?". If you look at our nation's history, many a social and human rights issue was first introduced to the citizenry through song. Just look how the songs of the American Labor Movement changed our labor laws. Instead of chiding him, maybe some should be listening instead.


Firstly, Springsteen has yet to write a political song. They become political songs when he and the critics lie about them.

Secondly, any political theme that Springsteen supposedly addresses in Magic makes not one bit of difference as to the present course our country is headed and he certainly isn't informing the citizens about anything of which they are not already aware.

Since he is a part of the "satanic cult," he might want to enlighten the masses as to this corrupt/criminal and immoral group.

However, he prefers to welcome his fans to the New World Order.

Springsteen never uses the words, "War on Terror," wiretapping, torture, Bush, Iraq or war in any of his songs.

Songs that he has written that are supposedly about the war in Iraq are not comforting and don't speak to the heroic actions of our soldiers. They are not uplifting nor are they patriotic. They do not display within the lyrics empathy, sympathy or compassion for these men and women. They are dark and depressing especially since both incorporate the word DEVIL and speak of blood and bones.

Maybe Springsteen's fans would prefer he keep his politics to himself because they know it doesn't matter what his views are. He isn't going to change anything.

His power trip is his own illusion. I suppose one they've created for him and one that he resides in permanently.

Could be, too, that his fans read the lyrics to his songs and can SEE with their own eyes that they are not political and, therefore, the psychobabble reviews they read and Springsteen's own explanations are bullshit.

In other words, maybe his fans are embarrassed because their hero, their leader, their GOD, the one they worship, their boss, sounds delusional and not quite right.

Could also be that when he speaks publicly about politics he makes about as much sense as many of his songs.

09-30-2007, 05:13 PM

Tingling on one side of the body.

Extreme tightness in back and neck.


09-30-2007, 05:18 PM
Jim DeRogatis
Chicago Sun-Times

Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band, "Magic"

"I got a coin in your palm / I can make it disappear," the Boss croaks in the title track for his first album with the E Street Band since "The Rising" (2002), his folkie but bombastic musing on 9/11. "I got a card up my sleeve / Name it and I'll pull it out your ear / I got a rabbit in the hat / If you wanna come and see / This is what will be." To hear his longtime manager, Jon Landau, tell it, the "magic" of Bruce Springsteen's latest is the unbridled joy of him rocking out again with everybody's favorite big band after the stripped-down solo album "Devils & Dust" (2005) and last year's Pete Seeger tribute "We Shall Overcome." But it's all just an illusion.

Sure, the Wall of Sound is back, with both the good and the bad -- Max Weinberg's thundering drums vs. Clarence Clemons' dreadful sax -- and that familiar mix of '50s rock, doo wop, soul, gospel and country. But something is off: Springsteen's marbles-in-his-mouth vocals sound more detached and less committed than ever, and they never gel with Brendan O'Brien's recordings of those big arrangements, evidence of the fact that the whole band only flew in on weekends, and the E Streeters never really played with Bruce in the studio, according to the fan publication Backstreets.

Then there are the lyrics. "With his new album, Bruce Springsteen continues to be the conscience of his country," read the headline of a review in the north-of-the-border National Post, but only a Canadian who really doesn't understand America would say such a silly thing. Springsteen always has chronicled a ridiculously idealized and hyper-romanticized U.S. of A. that exists primarily in TV commercials for life insurance, and that continues here with lazy toss-offs such as "Livin' in the Future" (an odd turn toward science fiction with the chorus, "Don't worry darlin' / I've been there, don't you fret / We're livin' in the future / And none of this has happened yet"), "Long Walk Home" ("The flag flying over the courthouse / Means certain things are set in stone / Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't") and "Girls in Their Summer Clothes" (wherein the 57-year-old artist sounds like a dirty old man obsessing over the girls who pass him by).

Welcoming an opportunity to bring back listeners alienated by his client's admirably liberal beliefs, Landau has also been asserting that this isn't a political album, but that isn't entirely true. "Last to Die" certainly seems to be a song inspired by the senseless war in Iraq ("Who'll be the last to die for a mistake ... The wise men were all fools"), but since Bruce is pulling his punches for the sake of poetry, you can't really be sure. The same is true of the single "Radio Nowhere," which may be an attack on the "soulless" state of corporate media, or yet another nostalgic homage to a heyday that was never really as great as the Boss remembers it. When fellow roots-rockers such as Neil Young and Tom Petty take on these subjects, they say what they mean, and I'll take "Living with War" and "The Last DJ" over "Magic" any day.

Then again, as the e-mails sure to flood my inbox will stress in words that can't be printed here, this New Jersey native -- my dad was born and raised in Asbury Park, for God's sake! -- is the worst kind of heretic: A traitorous non-believer who's never fallen under Springsteen's spell. As the Boss himself said, "This is what will be." Deal with it.

09-30-2007, 05:25 PM
Excerpt from Chicago Sun-Times review of Magic by Jim DeRogatis:

"Welcoming an opportunity to bring back listeners alienated by his client's admirably liberal beliefs, Landau has also been asserting that this isn't a political album, but that isn't entirely true. "Last to Die" certainly seems to be a song inspired by the senseless war in Iraq ("Who'll be the last to die for a mistake ... The wise men were all fools"), but since Bruce is pulling his punches for the sake of poetry, you can't really be sure. The same is true of the single "Radio Nowhere," which may be an attack on the "soulless" state of corporate media, or yet another nostalgic homage to a heyday that was never really as great as the Boss remembers it. When fellow roots-rockers such as Neil Young and Tom Petty take on these subjects, they say what they mean, and I'll take "Living with War" and "The Last DJ" over "Magic" any day."


In Springsteen's song, "Last to Die," (who'll be the last to die for a mistake...The wise men were all fools)...

To whom is he referring as the wise men?

Does Springsteen believe the WISE MEN are those who sent our loved ones overseas to fight a senseless war?

They're wise men???

09-30-2007, 06:03 PM
Maybe it's me, but a 58 year old man singing "Candy's Room" just seems somewhat strange.

I think there comes a point when an artist just outgrows some songs.

Candy's Room
Bruce Springsteen

In Candy's room there are pictures of her heroes on the wall
but to get to Candy's room you gotta walk the darkness of Candy's hall
Strangers from the city call my baby's number and they bring her toys
When I come knocking she smiles pretty she knows I wanna be Candy's boy
There's a sadness hidden in that pretty face
A sadness all her own from which no man can keep Candy safe

We kiss, my heart's rushes to my brain
The blood rushes in my veins fire rushes towards the sky
We go driving driving deep into the night
I go driving deep into the light in Candy's eyes

She says baby if you wanna be wild
you got a lot to learn, close your eyes
Let them melt, let them fire, let them burn
Cause in the darkness there'll be hidden worlds that shine
When I hold Candy close she makes these hidden worlds mine

She has fancy clothes and diamond rings
She has men who give her anything she wants but they don't see
That what she wants is me,
oh and I want her so
I'll never let her go, no no no
She knows that I'd give
all that I got to give
All that I want all that I live
to make Candy mine


I mean, come on!

Standing on stage with your wife singing about strangers who call your baby and bring her toys.


Sounds like another prostitute encounter.

Another CREEPY, DARK and DISTURBING Springsteen song!

Obviously, if you're a psychologically unstable parent and one who was raised in a perverse cult, you are unaware of the damaging affects of your own immorality upon your children.

And, thus, the cycle continues.

09-30-2007, 06:28 PM
Sunday, September 30, 2007

Bruce Springsteen, "Magic"
2 stars

As our favorite artists mature and take their music in new and sometimes unwelcome directions, there’s usually a part of us that wishes they would go back to doing the things that first made them great.

Of course, it’s rarely that easy. The reason so many "back to basics" records fall on their faces is that the songs just aren’t there, and consequently fans are left regretting their nostalgic wishes.

Bruce Springsteen’s 2002 album "The Rising" was his first with the E Street band in 18 years, but it didn’t feel like a retread because the tunes were solid, plus there was a clear purpose behind the material (reflecting on the aftermath of 9/11).

"Magic," however, is largely apolitical, which certainly wouldn’t be a strike against the record as long as it possessed some other source of vitality. Instead, this latest E Street-assisted album is mostly a hollow, forced attempt from the Boss and his cohorts to rekindle their inimitable glory days.

All of the superficial elements of prime Springsteen are here – the sweaty, boisterous arrangements, the ornate studio tricks borrowed from Phil Spector and Brian Wilson, the imagistic verbal dexterity of Dylan filtered through Bruce’s own unique sense of warmth and longing.

Too often, however, the results are missing that melodic or lyrical spark that made Springsteen’s blue-collar anthems truly transcendent. The likes of "You’ll Be Coming Down" and "Last to Die" are symptomatic of a misguided more-is-better ethos, stuffed to the gills and denied a chance to breathe.

Lyrically, the Boss continually reverts to a puffed-up romanticism that palely imitates his florid 70s peaks while ignoring the clear-eyed brilliance he displayed throughout the masterful 80s (“Nebraska,” “Tunnel of Love”).

"Girls in their Summer Clothes" is a melodic triumph and "I’ll Work For Your Love" capably rips mid-period Dylan. Much of the rest is far from magical.

-- Josh Love


My goodness, three negative reviews that I've read so far and a poster at BTX wants to know if this writer is an inexperienced reviewer or just an ignoramus?

I'd say that maybe he's not paid to write all the fill-in.

09-30-2007, 06:33 PM
I'd have to interject to the reviewer, Josh Love, that "The Rising" contained a few songs about 911, but certainly that was not the theme.

Springsteen's lyrics are disturbing and dark. They do not lend themselves to events that require uplifting messages of inspiration.

Like one writer said, say what you mean in your lyrics, such as Tom Petty and Neil Young.

This is a disclaimer:

I may make reference to other musicians throughout this thread for reasons of comparison. This, in no, way, shape or form suggests that I respect them.

09-30-2007, 06:47 PM
Springsteen quote:

“The pop world is a symbolic world,” Springsteen says, “and there’s only one problem with that: I’m not a symbol, I’m real. So you sort of break through and confine yourself simultaneously. The trick for the musician is to be an escape artist. And you have to protect your talent, what is of value to you, because those are your life rafts. Whatever the vicissitudes of the music business, of fans blowing hot, cold, indifferent, it all comes down to that same thing.”



Could I have an interpreter, please??

"The trick for the musician is to be an escape artist."


Your a musician and a magician.

I get it now.

The reason your new CD is titled, MAGIC.

What same thing does it all come down to?

Your life rafts?

You're real??

You're not a symbol??

Thanks for clearing that mystery up for everyone.

09-30-2007, 08:08 PM
Girls in Their Summer Clothes
Bruce Springsteen

Well the streetlights shine
Down on Blessing Avenue
Lovers they walk by
Holding hands two by two
A breeze crosses the porch
Bicycle spokes spin 'round
Jacket's on, I'm out the door
Tonight I'm gonna burn this town down

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

A kid's rubber ball smacks
Off the gutter 'neath the lamp light
Big bank clock chimes
Off go the sleepy front porch lights
Downtown the stores alight
As the evening's underway
Things been a little tight
But I know they're gonna turn my way

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

Frankie's Diner's
An old friend on the edge of town
The neon sign spinning round
Like a cross over the lost and found
The fluorescent lights
Flick above Pop's Grill
Shaniqua brings a coffee and asks "fill?"
And says "penny for your thoughts now my boy, Bill"

She went away
She cut me like a knife
Hey beautiful thing
Maybe you could save my life

In just a glance
Down here on Magic Street
Love's a fool's dance
I ain't got much sense but I still got my feet

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by


So, did he use the name BILL because it rhymes with fill or is he telling the story of a person named Bill or is he speaking from an altered state?

Here again another broken heart.

She went away cut me like a knife.

Shaniqua refers to Bill as a boy.

Another diner.

Another "edge of town."

Another song that is not political.

09-30-2007, 08:11 PM
Bruce Springsteen

I got a coin in my palm
I can make it disappear
I got a card up my sleeve
Name it and I'll pull it out your ear
I got a rabbit in my hat
If you wanna come and see
This is what will be
This is what will be

I got shackles on my wrists
Soon I'll slip 'em and be gone (slip 'em and be gone)
Chain me in a box in your river
And I'll rise singin' this song
Trust none of what you hear (trust none of what you hear)
And less of what you see
This is what will be (this is what will be)
This is what will be



(I'll cut you in half)

I got a shiny saw blade (a shiny saw blade)
All I need's a volunteer
I'll cut you in half
While you're smilin' ear to ear
And the freedom that you sought's
Driftin' like a ghost amongst the trees
This is what will be
This is what will be (this is what will be)

Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you fear
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
There's bodies hangin' in the trees
This is what will be (this is what will be)
This is what will be


Oh, yes.

How silly of me this song is about the Bush administration.

Another song from the Magic album that is NOT political.


The coming of the NWO???

09-30-2007, 08:21 PM
Your Own Worst Enemy
Bruce Springsteen

You can't sleep at night
You can't dream your dream
Your fingerprints on file
Left clumsily at the scene

Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come to town

Yesterday the people were at ease
Baby slept in peace
You closed your eyes and saw her
You knew who you were

Now your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come
Your world keeps turnin' 'round and 'round
But everything is upside down
Your own worst enemy has come to town

There's a face you know
Staring back from the shop window
The condition you're in
Now you just can't get out of this skin

Ah ah ah
Ah ah ah
Ah ah ah

The times they got too clear
So you removed all the mirrors
Once the family felt secure
Now no one's very sure

Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come
Everything is falling down
Your own worst enemy has come to town
Your own worst enemy has come
Everything is falling down
Your own worst enemy has come to town

Your flag it flew so high
It drifted into the sky


So, you removed all the MIRRORS
Once the family felt secure
Now no one's very sure



Because some-one's worst enemy has come to town?

Who left their fingerprints clumsily all over the scene?

What's going on in this song?

The following verses have some significance:

Yesterday the people were at ease
Baby slept in peace
You closed your eyes and saw her
You knew who you were

Who is YOU?

Who did YOU see?

WHO did YOU know she was?


I think this is a reference to calling out an alter in someone other than himself.


As far as the Baby slept in peace.

Not sure. Could be trance inducing.

Here we go again.

Can't sleep at night.

Can't dream your dreams.

Always someone in his songs, whether a love interest or not who can't dream their dreams.

Another song from the Magic album that is not political.

Number three of 12!

09-30-2007, 08:24 PM
Radio Nowhere
Bruce Springsteen

I was tryin' to find my way home
But all I heard was a drone
Bouncing off a satellite
Crushin' the last lone American night

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?

I was spinnin' 'round a dead dial
Just another lost number in a file
Dancin' down a dark hole
Just searchin' for a world with some soul

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?

I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm
I just want to hear some rhythm

I want a thousand guitars
I want pounding drums
I want a million different voices speaking in tongues

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?


I was driving through the misty rain
Yeah searchin' for a mystery train
Boppin' through the wild blue
Tryin' to make a connection with you

This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
This is radio nowhere, is there anybody alive out there?
Is there anybody alive out there?

I just want to feel some rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel some rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)
I just want to feel your rhythm (I just want to)


So, who is he trying to make a connection with?

Whose rhythm does he want to feel?

Another apolitical song from the Magic album.

Number 4 of 12!

09-30-2007, 08:34 PM
Long Walk Home
Bruce Springsteen

Last night I stood at your doorstep
Trying to figure out what went wrong
You just slipped somethin' into my palm, then you were gone
I could smell the same deep green of summer
Above me the same night sky was glowin'
In the distance I could see the town where I was born

It's gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
A long walk home

In town I passed Sal's grocery
The barbershop on South Street
I looked in their faces*
They were all rank strangers to me*
The veteran's hall high upon the hill
Stood silent and alone
The diner was shuttered and boarded
With a sign that just said "gone"

It's gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
It's gonna be a long walk home

[Guitar break]
[Sax break]

Here everybody has a neighbor
Everybody has a friend
Everybody has a reason to begin again

My father said "Son, we're lucky in this town,
It's a beautiful place to be born.
It just wraps its arms around you,
Nobody crowds you and nobody goes it alone
You know that flag flying over the courthouse
Means certain things are set in stone
Who we are, what we'll do and what we won't"

It's gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
It's gonna be a long walk home
It's gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home
It's gonna be a long walk home
It's gonna be a long walk home


So, in this song, Springsteen is at some one's door, she slipped something into his hand and then she was gone.

Another apolitical song from the Magic album.

Unless, the verse:

"Hey pretty darling, don't wait up for me
Gonna be a long walk home"

has some cryptic message that hasn't been lied about yet in a review or from Springsteen lips.

Or, has this song been referred as a political song because the word VETERAN is in one of the lines?

I think that many of writers who have written reviews thus far referring to various songs from the album as political and weaving a "fictitious" story through each of them have used different lines from different songs, along with their very vivid and creative imaginations and suggestions by Springsteen and his handlers, to paint a picture of a political album.

Another song from the Magic album that is not political.

I thinks this is 5 of 12 now!

09-30-2007, 08:48 PM
I'll Work For Your Love
Bruce Springsteen

Pour me a drink Theresa in one of those glasses you dust off
And I'll watch the bones in your back like the Stations of the Cross
'Round your hair the sun lifts a halo, at your lips a crown of thorns
Whatever other deals gone down, to this one I'm sworn

I'll work for your love dear
I'll work for your love
What others may want for free
I'll work for your love

The dust of civilizations and love's sweet remains
Slip off of your fingers and come driftin' down like rain
The pages of Revelation lie open in your empty eyes of blue
I watch you slip that comb through your hair and this I promise you

I'll work for your love dear
I'll work for your love
What others may want for free
I'll work for your love


Well tears, they fill the rosary at your feet, my temple of bones
Here in this perdition we go on and on
Now our city of peace has crumbled, our book of faith's been tossed
And I'm just down here searchin' for my own piece of the cross
In the late afternoon sun fills the room with the mist in the garden before the fall
I watch your hands smooth the front of your blouse and seven drops of blood fall

I'll work for your love dear
I'll work for your love
What others may want for free
I'll work for your love
What others may want for free
I'll work for your love
What others may want for free
I'll work for your love


Another love interest whose name is Teresa.

He'll work for her love.

Oooh, what does it mean?

It's filled with Catholic imagery!!

It must mean something.

But, what???

Oh, the mystery.

Another apolitical song from the Magic album.

Number 6 of 12!

09-30-2007, 08:53 PM
You'll Be Comin' Down
Bruce Springsteen

White roses and misty blue eyes
Red mornings, then nothin' but gray skies
A cup of coffee, a heart shot clean through
The jacket you bought me gone daisy gray-blue
You're smiling now but you'll find out
They'll use you up and spit you out now
Your head's spinnin' in diamonds and clouds
But pretty soon it turns out

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be coming down
What goes around, it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

Easy street, a quick buck and true lies
Smiles as thin as those dusky blue skies
A silver plate of pearls my golden child
It's all yours at least for a little while
You'll be fine long as your pretty face holds out
Then it's gonna get pretty cold out
An empty stream of stars shooting by
You got your hopes on high

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be coming down
What goes around, it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

For a while you'll go sparklin' by
Just another pretty thing on high

[Sax solo]

Like a thief on a Sunday morning
It all falls apart with no warning
Your cinnamon sky's gone candy-apple green
The crushed metal of your little flying machine

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be coming down
What goes around, it comes around and
You'll be comin' down

You'll be comin' down now baby
You'll be coming down
What goes around, it comes around and
You'll be comin' down


Another, baby!

They're going to use her up and spit her out!

Springsteen seems to like the color blue in this album.

Bopping through the wild blue.

Blue eyes, blue skies.

Her head is spinnin.'

Or, so he thinks!

Another apolitical song on the Magic album.

Number 7 of 12.

Five to go!

09-30-2007, 09:03 PM
Gypsy Biker
Bruce Springsteen

The speculators made their money on the blood you shed
Your momma's pulled the sheets up off your bed
The profiteers on Jane Street sold your shoes and clothes
Ain't nobody talkin' because everybody knows
We pulled your cycle up back to the garage and polished up the chrome*
Our gypsy biker's comin' home

Sister Mary sits with your colors, brother John is drunk and gone
This whole town's been rousted, which side are you on?
The favored march up over the hill in some fools parade
Shoutin' victory for the righteous but there ain't much here but graves
Ain't nobody talkin', we're just waitin' on the phone
Gypsy biker's comin' home


[Guitar solo]

We rode her into the foothills, Bobby brought the gasoline
We stood 'round her in a circle as she lit up the ravine
The spring high desert wind rushed down on us all the way back home

[Harmonica bridge]

To the dead, well it don't matter much 'bout who's wrong or right
You asked me that question, I didn't get it right
You slipped into your darkness, now all that remains
Is my love for you brother, lying still and unchanged
To them that threw you away, you ain't nothin' but gone
My gypsy biker's coming home

Now I'm out countin' white lines
'Countin white lines and getting stoned
My gypsy biker's coming home


[Guitar solo]

La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la


Which side are you on, he asks?

Some profiteers sold the Gypsy Biker's shoes and clothes.

No broken dreams in this one for the Gypsy Biker. HE just slips into some darkness.

Graves all around.

Springsteen loves HIM; and calls the gypsy biker BROTHER.

Someone tossed the gypsy biker away, but Springsteen's love still remains.

There's a Bobby and a sister Mary.

Very fragmented, nonsensical song and yet, another apolitical one from the MAGIC CD.

Number 8 of 12!

09-30-2007, 09:09 PM
Terry's Song
Bruce Springsteen

Well they built the Titanic to be one of a kind, but many ships have ruled the seas
They built the Eiffel Tower to stand alone, but they could build another if they please
Taj Mahal, the pyramids of Egypt, are unique I suppose
But when they built you, brother, they broke the mold

Now the world is filled with many wonders under the passing sun
And sometimes something comes along and you know it's for sure the only one
The Mona Lisa, the David, the Sistine Chapel, Jesus, Mary, and Joe
And when they built you, brother, they broke the mold

When they built you, brother, they turned dust into gold
When they built you, brother, they broke the mold

They say you can't take it with you, but I think that they're wrong
'Cause all I know is I woke up this morning, and something big was gone
Gone into that dark ether where you're still young and hard and cold
Just like when they built you, brother, they broke the mold

[harmonica bridge]

Now your death is upon us and we'll return your ashes to the earth
And I know you'll take comfort in knowing you've been roundly blessed and cursed
But love is a power greater than death, just like the songs and stories told
And when she built you, brother, she broke the mold

That attitude's a power stronger than death, alive and burning her stone cold
When they built you, brother

[harmonica bridge]


So, Terry's gone into that dark ether where you're still young and hard and cold.

Someone, I don't think of heaven like that.

He'll take comfort, Springsteen says, in knowing that he's been roundly blessed and CURSED.

Who takes comfort in knowing they've been cursed? Does such a thing exist if you aren't a part of "witchcraft?"

The attitude is a power stronger than death, alive and burning her stone cold!


Remember, this song initially compared Terry to the Towers and after I wrote on this thread what a horrible analogy it was, seems the verses have been changed.

Something like, we can rebuild the towers, but we can't rebuild you.

As if all those who died in the towers were inconsequential to Springsteen except for the building themselves.

Another apolitical song.

Number 9 of 12!

09-30-2007, 09:27 PM
There are three songs from the Magic album which I have not yet commented on and I can say with almost 100 percent certainty that the words wiretapping, the "War on Terror," the "Bush Administration," the "Iraq War/Iraq Veterans," and reference to torture in the USA do not appear in these songs.

Therefore, I would have to say that the reviewers who have indicated there are songs on this album that speak to the above without using these words in any of the songs on this album, and Springsteen, himself, stating that one of the songs was about wiretapping and torture in the USA have spoken and printed lies.

I would also have to say that Springsteen's verse in one of the songs:

Trust none of what you hear and less of what you see should apply to himself and the reviewers who print the lies.

The torture comment may have had an effect on me for a short period, but that has passed.

09-30-2007, 09:37 PM
Springsteen refers to himself as a chiseled mass o muscle.

Oh, please!

In order to verify this, a poster includes a picture of Springsteen from 30 years ago.

They certainly seem to be stuck in the past.

There is a truly disturbing picture of whom I suppose is Clarence Clemons on this thread.


09-30-2007, 09:48 PM
Springsteen quote:

“My take on the whole thing is, by the time you’re my age, the race is over; these are the victory laps. I make any kind of music I want to make, you know? There are no rules – they’re not waiting for my record at Top 40 radio next week. I’m not worried about whether I’m going to be competing with 50 Cent. All that pressure is off. So I don’t really feel hemmed in by any previous image people might have of me, or any current one...."

What you really mean is that since you have to produce for the music mobsters, you need to be creative and produce all different types of music, solo, E Street Band, Seeger Sessions in order to fulfill your contract cause Bruce Springsteen doesn't appeal to many folk any longer.

That ended about 2 plus decades ago.

Your image is about as set in stone as the flag on the pole in front of the courthouse.

I wouldn't call them victory laps.

More like a hamster on a treadmill.

Over and over and over again until they use you up and spit you out.

If no one expects you to make the top 40 radio list, why then so much promotion and "psychobabble" promoting your record?

Why not just take your victory lap?

10-01-2007, 12:48 PM
Is there anything worse than a "satanist," such as Bruce Springsteen, pretending to be a Christian?

10-01-2007, 01:21 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Is there anything worse than a "satanist," such as Bruce Springsteen, pretending to be a Christian?

Is there anything worse than a devilworshipper like you pretending like you care whether or not Bruce Springsteen is a satanist pretending to be a Christian?

No, there isn't.

10-01-2007, 06:56 PM
If the auditorium at the Springsteen rehearsal show wasn't full, why then are fans forced to stand outside for hours hoping they'll be allowed entry?

It's all a manufactured illusion.

Creating a false sense that the venue is packed.

Creating anxiety in the fans so that if they do make it inside, they feel as if they've been granted admission to see GOD.

There are the "men in black" at shows.

There is the drop-line.

There are the wristbands.

Then there are instances where GA seats are not GA seats.

Instances where Ticketmaster calls a purchaser and rescinds his tickets.

Such confusion.

Have never seen anything like this in my life.

It's called control and manipulation of the fans.

Should be simple enough, but the manufactured obstacle course causes a fan to feel so lucky and special if they are able to grab a couple of tickets to a Springsteen show and not be SHUT OUT!!

The following is from a disgruntled fan who didn't make it inside the auditorium for a rehearsal show:

Notice how complaining is met with sarcasm.

You know, if you're a Springsteen fan, you're suppose to put up with his abuse.

Or, didn't you know that?

Just finding out now?


10-02-2007, 08:25 AM
A poster at BTX comments:

When Springsteen said on The Today Show that:

he threaded the songs with this disconcerting stuff, he wasn't lyin'... but the result is a complex and ironic work..


The only so-called disconcerting STUFF you think he threaded the songs with are what he says the songs are about such as wiretapping, torture in the USA, which are LIES! and the LIES that critics write about some of the songs, such as being about the Bush Administration and the War on Terror.

Connecting this song to another song on a different album and that song to this song.

Creating a nice, big jigsaw puzzle for the fans to try to piece together.

Keeping them interested.

Comin' back for some more intrigue and mystery.

Tryin' to solve the puzzle.

What is he saying?

What is he talking about?

What does this lyric mean?

Oh, he used some Catholic imagery.

What does it all mean?


"The Last to Die" is a John Kerry phrase.

Springsteen's good pal.

As I've said, the Iraq War, wiretapping, the Bush Administration, torture in the USA, etc., are words that are not used in any of Springsteen's songs on the MAGIC album.

If the man has something to say politically, instead of using the same MO that our politicians do, he ought to say what he means instead of lying about what he said.


That it is so complex and comes from the hand of a genius songwriter who took great pains to weave and thread some illusive story throughout his Magic CD, which doesn't exist and you fools fall for it.

You believe whatever the man says and the critics write about him except for the negative reviews.

Actually, the end result of the so-called threading of his songs throughout Magic with disconcerting STUFF and unconnected themes, weaving some picture of something that eludes the listener; that which has to be explained over and over again ad nauseum in reviews, doesn't make the album complex or an ironic work.

It makes the reviews complex and not worthy of reading past the first paragraph.

Just plain boring!

Springsteen and the critics creates a MYSTERY for the blind fans and they sit around trying to put the pieces together.

Is Gypsy Biker about Pat Tilman, they want to know.

They way Springsteen writes, it could be about anything.

He leaves it all open to your very vivid and creative imaginations.

Love that line, don't you?

"Taste the blood on your tongue."

Or, how 'bout in one of Scialfa's songs:

"I gave you my flesh and blood, but you wanted my soul."

Springsteen's songwriting style lends itself to those who are under his spell.

It renders them incomprehensible to those who aren't his faithful flock of sheep or the well-paid music critics.

To say the songs are complex is to attach some kind of great songwriting ability to the man, when, in fact, the weaving, the wandering, the inability to say what he means, the cryptic style is meaningless.

The songs on Magic are meaningless!

That's why they need to be explained with lies.

They have no theme!

It's wonderful, isn't it, that the music critics are able to READ BETWEEN THE LINES of his music and paint a picture that only exists in their minds and not the songs themselves?

Who feeds them this BS?

Who do they write this for?

His fans who have no clue what he's talking about.

Springsteen's writing is fragmented.

Just like his mind!

I suppose since he's a part of the "cult," he can't write lyrics about them, so, instead, he and the critics print and state disinformation about the songs.

I would also surmise that his fan base is dwindling and in a last ditch effort attempt to attract new followers, he believes if the album is political, it will sell better, since these are very difficult political times.

Again, just capitalizing on that of which he is a part.

Trickery, deceit and lies.

Springsteen's MO!

Interesting that Landau and Company made a 90 degree turn.

Adamantly stated the album wasn't about politics and, perhaps, since Radio Nowhere went nowhere when released on the web, they had to do a quick turn about.

Whatever sells!

10-02-2007, 09:25 AM
I would hope "Gypsy Biker" isn't about Pat Tilman or an Iraq war veteran because one critic describes the song as a body coming home in a casket; although the word casket isn't used and that they set his motorcycle on fire.

Seriously, is this proper way to honor Pat Tilman or any Iraq war veteran?

You came home to your family in a casket and they set your motorcycle on fire?

If I were an Iraq War veteran, I would tell Springsteen to put this CD where the sun don't shine and to discontinue dedicating "Devil's Arcade" to them.

The reason there is so much disinformation about the Magic CD is to cover-up the reality of how this man seems to be void of compassion, empathy or sympathy.

None of the songs on MAGIC honor any Iraq war veteran in an appropriate way.

The same as the song, "Devils and Dust" that was supposedly about the Iraq War.

Should you speak about blood, casket, (although the word casket is not used in Gypsy Biker), dreamed of you in a field of blood and stone in an effort to honor some one's memory?

Just sick!!

The images in those songs, which are clearly not about the Iraq war, the War on Terror, the Bush Administration, wiretapping etc., only through the lies that have been printed and stated about them by the critics and Springsteen, are ones that lend themselves to Springsteen's twisted mind.

We will look at "Devil's Arcade," "Livin' in the Future," and "Last to Die" shortly.

The repetition by the critics that this album is political and their in-depth analysis as to what the songs are about is nothing but an attempt at brainwashing.

The same MO they've used throughout Springsteen's entire career.

10-02-2007, 09:38 AM
Here is an excerpt from a review of MAGIC by one critic:

It's a switch from his recent work, where Springsteen has had more pressing concerns. "The Rising" was his attempt to make sense of the Sept. 11 attacks and do his part to begin the healing process. "Devils and Dust" was his way of protesting the direction the country was heading, as well as the war in Iraq. And "We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions" was a way to show how history could be applied to the present.


Are you serious?

Springsteen did his part to help the country heal after 911 with the CD "The Rising?"

Give me a break!

Springsteen can't even heal himself.

Devils and Dust was Springsteen's way of protesting the direction the country was heading, you say.

Are you kidding me?

Oh, yes, the songs, "Reno," and all the others that had absolutely nothing to do with the war were definitely protest songs.

Thank GOODNESS, The BOSS is so politically involved, so concerned about the well-being of his countrymen that he produces these masterpiece Cd's because I truly don't know if the people in America and the world would be able to continue on with their lives during such difficult times without his music.

Such a difference in the world this man makes!

So uplifting.

All the talk about blood, little girls, sexually deviant behavior, etc.

So inspirational!

The Seeger Sessions CD was not about learning from the past, pal.

Someone must have dropped something in your coffee this morning.

They weren't Springsteen's songs.

This was obvious because they had meaning.

The Seeger Sessions tour, CD, and DVD were all failures.

10-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Excerpt from yet another distorted review:

It seems everyone has been waiting for Bruce Springsteen, America's rock poet laureate for some 30 years, to weigh in with an updated State of the Union address, a re-evaluation of the America he celebrated with the joyous yelp of muscular pride in Born to Run and put on notice for its excesses and violent impulses with Born in the U.S.A. and Nebraska, both severe indictments of a nation heading into moral oblivion.


Sorry, pal, but not EVERYONE has been waiting on Springsteen to weigh-in about anything.

Just media hype and lies.

Nothing he states and nothing he sings changes anything about the "satanic cult" which controls the world. The "cult" of which he is a part.

The only thing it changes is his bank account and the bank account's of the music mobsters who own and control him.

Certainly his diehards have waited 30 years and after the release of "Magic," they'll still be waiting.

Thirty years since the man has produced anything of interest, and obviously, "Magic," isn't of interest either.

Springsteen celebrated America with pride in Born to Run???


I think you're sharing the same coffee with the previous critic.

Are these reviews written by someone other than the critics themselves?

I'm beginning to think so.

Either that or they certainly don't listen to Springsteen's music or read his lyrics.

Born in the USA and Nebraska were severe indictments of where America was heading?


Like I said, they either don't listen to his music, read his lyrics or they have "ghostwriters."

Oh, yes.

The country is indebted to The Boss for expending such copious amounts of energy and dedicating his life to warning the people about the state of our union and making millions for himself and the music mobsters in the process.

Those severe indictments he cast certainly must have changed something for the better, eh?

Obviously, not.

Just fattening up his bank account is all.

I'm sure Springsteen's music over the last 30 years has helped save America from the "Nazi" regime that currently controls us.

We're in such a better place now all because of Springsteen and his music.

NWO operative that he is, certainly he uses trickery, deception, and lies to appear as one thing to the public and through the help of the brainwashing media, but what you don't see is the "satanic" and sadistic side as much as someone like myself who was abused, controlled and handled by the pedophile when I was a child.

10-02-2007, 01:45 PM
Forget The Police, Justin Timberlake or Bruce Springsteen, the Disney created singer, Hannah Montana seems to be the hot ticket these days.


Let's see how long before Hanna Montana's act turns into a sewer.

10-02-2007, 02:48 PM
If Springsteen has a political message he wants to state in his songs, why doesn't he write lyrics that are obvious instead of, as he puts it, weaving and threading some story throughout the songs?

What the hell is that about?

He's telling a story?

Why not tell the story so that the listeners can comprehend it?

Like the people in this country don't know what's going on and when he weaves and threads a story about it throughout the lyrics of the songs in Magic, somehow this makes it all the more clear.

Very poor storyteller and songwriter.

Springsteen basically doesn't have anything political to say that can be understood with the words he incorporates in his songs, unless the "music critics" are deployed on the scene to interpret that which isn't comprehensible and remains the same even after they write the psychobabble.

His faithful followers believe it.

They have to because, otherwise, they'd read the lyrics and understand that their hero's songs, for the most part, are non-sensical and apolitical.

10-02-2007, 03:16 PM
A critic states:

Bruce Springsteen has one of the fiercest cadres — okay, let’s call it a cult — of enthusiasts of any baby boomer icon. That should be the case. For thirty-five years he’s been burning down the road of rock stardom and unlike every one of his contemporaries, with the possible exception of Neil Young, he’s avoided burnout and remains as relevant as ever.



Yes, let's call it a cult and he's the "satanic" leader.

Springsteen might be relevant, but only to his faithful sheeple. They follow him blindly.

To all else, he is IRRELEVANT!

He's not burned out?

Did you see him perform, "Dream, baby Dream," during the Devils and Dust tour?

What was that about?

Did you see him on The Today Show recently?

If that's not burn out and burned out vocals, I don't know what is.

10-02-2007, 03:26 PM
An excerpt from a critic's review of Magic taken from the link provided on the preceding comment:

The critic refers to the following verse from "Who Will be the Last to Die," as one of Springsteen's most direct anti-war passages (and there are plenty of other direct and indirect ones, as well)....


Oh, yes. We all know about those indirect passages:

What horrible imagery about a war:

The kids asleep in the backseat
We're just counting the miles, you and me
We don't measure the blood we've drawn anymore
We just stack the bodies outside the door
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake.


This is an anti-war passage?

The kids asleep in the backseat
We're just counting the miles, you and me
We don't measure the blood we've drawn anymore
We just stack the bodies outside the door.

If this WERE an anti-war passage, why does he use the pronoun WE???

Very inappropriate.

Why does he say WE just stack the bodies outside the door?

He and who else stacks bodies outside the door?

Is Springsteen and someone else killing people in this song? Certainly, there are no words that refer to the Iraq war.

He's counting the miles with someone and they don't measure the blood they've both drawn anymore. They just stack the bodies outside the door!!!


Very nice imagery for the Iraq war veterans as Springsteen has dedicated this song, "Who will be the Last to Die" to them.

Referring to their death in a senseless war as bodies being stacked outside a door by Springsteen and this someone else he's referring to in this song.

Nonsensical. Apolitical.

Just sick!!!

10-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Post Number 2679 with excerpt was taken from Newsday's review of Magic by Glenn Gamboa.

He also states that Springsteen's been saved and is coming back for the rest of us.

Okay, these critics are certainly not grounded in reality.

Springsteen is far from being saved and, if I were you, I wouldn't trust him with your life.

He isn't capable of saving himself, let alone anyone else.

Corrupted to the core.


Review: Springsteen and E Street Band's 'Magic'


Like so many struggling businesses these days, the music industry is all about outsourcing.

When a veteran hits a rough sales patch or an artistic drought, the fixers pair them up with younger artists or hot producers to modernize the sound and raise the radio-friendliness. After all, it's generally easier to renovate a previous star than to build a whole new one.

Well, Bruce Springsteen is one boss unwilling to outsource his own issues. He and the E Street Band can handle it all internally. On their new album, "Magic" (Columbia), they inject energy into their classic sound by embracing elements of the alternative rock movement - which was, in part, a rebellion launched against Springsteen's domination in the "Dancing in the Dark" '80s. And it certainly seems to agree with them.

Not only is "Magic" Springsteen's most accessible album, start to finish, since 1987's "Tunnel of Love," it is closest thematically to "Born in the U.S.A.," a slice of American life and its mix of ups and downs. The first single, the straightforward rocker "Radio Nowhere," is a strong example of Springsteen's game plan for "Magic," with its '80s alternative rock guitar riffs and its search for desire.

It's a switch from his recent work, where Springsteen has had more pressing concerns. "The Rising" was his attempt to make sense of the Sept. 11 attacks and do his part to begin the healing process. "Devils and Dust" was his way of protesting the direction the country was heading, as well as the war in Iraq. And "We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions" was a way to show how history could be applied to the present.

On "Magic," all that is pushed aside. It's about more leisurely pursuits - about "Girls in Their Summer Clothes," working for your love and all that entails.

If the previous albums were about effecting change in the country, "Magic" takes that change as a given. That allows Springsteen the chance to focus on the music again, as well as the lyrics. It lets him experiment with new sounds (well, new-to-him sounds) to update his more classic themes.

"Girls in Their Summer Clothes" sounds like Ray Davies filtered through Morrissey's "Everyday Is Like Sunday," right down to the super-detailed lyrics and dramatic delivery. "Last to Die" - seemingly the only war-related song with its chorus of "The last to die for a mistake" - jangles like "Fables of the Reconstruction"-era R.E.M. And there's a bit of U2, circa "Rattle and Hum," in "Gypsy Biker."

That said, "Magic" sounds like Springsteen and the E Street Band. There are lots of Clarence Clemons sax solos to hammer home emotional points. There are lots of Little Steven Van Zandt garage-rock guitar riffs. And the harmonies of Springsteen, Patti Scialfa, Nils Lofgren and Van Zandt are as gorgeous as ever - especially in the Beach Boys-tinged "Your Own Worst Enemy."

Sonically, "I'll Work For Your Love," with its piano opening and front-and-center harmonica, could have been on "Born to Run." But lyrically, it shows how his point of view has changed. Drenched in religious imagery, "I'll Work for Your Love" is about the quest for salvation, not simply an escape.

These days, it's not enough just to run, but to have something to run to. On his most recent tours with the E Street Band, Springsteen would go into preacher mode, testifying about how rock and roll could save your soul.

The guy singing "Magic" has already been saved and he's coming back for the rest of us.

MAGIC. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band go back to the future. In stores Tuesday. Grade: A.

10-02-2007, 03:42 PM
Post number 2680 excerpt was taken from Greg Guill's review of Magic from TheStar.com.


10-02-2007, 04:12 PM
Gypsy Biker
Bruce Springsteen

The speculators made their money on the blood you shed
Your momma's pulled the sheets up off your bed
The profiteers on Jane Street sold your shoes and clothes
Ain't nobody talkin' because everybody knows
We pulled your cycle up back to the garage and polished up the chrome*
Our gypsy biker's comin' home

Sister Mary sits with your colors, brother John is drunk and gone
This whole town's been rousted, which side are you on?
The favored march up over the hill in some fools parade
Shoutin' victory for the righteous but there ain't much here but graves
Ain't nobody talkin', we're just waitin' on the phone
Gypsy biker's comin' home


[Guitar solo]

We rode her into the foothills, Bobby brought the gasoline
We stood 'round her in a circle as she lit up the ravine
The spring high desert wind rushed down on us all the way back home

[Harmonica bridge]

To the dead, well it don't matter much 'bout who's wrong or right
You asked me that question, I didn't get it right
You slipped into your darkness, now all that remains
Is my love for you brother, lying still and unchanged
To them that threw you away, you ain't nothin' but gone
My gypsy biker's coming home

Now I'm out countin' white lines
'Countin white lines and getting stoned
My gypsy biker's coming home



So, Springsteen is doing lines of cocaine in this song and getting stoned.

Disguising the "cocaine" use with the painted white lines on the highway as if he's out riding a motorcycle.

I guess if you're high on cocaine, you might ride to the foothills and set a ravine on fire.

Cocaine use, eh? That would explain alot.

10-02-2007, 04:16 PM
John Foggerty trumped Springsteen for the full feature in USA today.

10-02-2007, 04:26 PM
Yes, movielady, girls in or out of their clothes would pass Springsteen by.

One poster states that his wife made the best comment the other day.

He's going to have a double "wet dream."

He'll be watching a football game and then seeing Springsteen on the same day.

Okay, whatever!

Male posters are commenting about how they got choked up when they listened to "Girls in their Summer Clothes."

Another poster reports that he knew Terry "Frank" Magovern" and how "Terry's Song" chokes him up.

Seriously, who else would get choked up over a personal song that Springsteen includes on his CD about someone they don't know?

Girls in Their Summer Clothes
Bruce Springsteen

Well the streetlights shine
Down on Blessing Avenue
Lovers they walk by
Holding hands two by two
A breeze crosses the porch
Bicycle spokes spin 'round
Jacket's on, I'm out the door
Tonight I'm gonna burn this town down

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

A kid's rubber ball smacks
Off the gutter 'neath the lamp light
Big bank clock chimes
Off go the sleepy front porch lights
Downtown the stores alight
As the evening's underway
Things been a little tight
But I know they're gonna turn my way

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

Frankie's Diner's
An old friend on the edge of town
The neon sign spinning round
Like a cross over the lost and found
The fluorescent lights
Flick above Pop's Grill
Shaniqua brings a coffee and asks "fill?"
And says "penny for your thoughts now my boy, Bill"

She went away
She cut me like a knife
Hello beautiful thing
Maybe you could save my life

In just a glance
Down here on Magic Street
Love's a fool's dance
I ain't got much sense but I still got my feet

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

And the girls in their summer clothes
In the cool of the evening light
The girls in their summer clothes
Pass me by

La la la la, la la la la la la la
La la la la, la la la la la la la
La la la la, la la la la la la la
La la la la, la la la la la la la


Yep! A real tear-jerker.

The girls are passing him by.

Don't blame them.

10-02-2007, 04:58 PM
Springsteen's writing isn't brilliant because you think the line "I'm out countin' white lines and getting stoned" could mean that he's countin' gravestones.

Or, could have several meanings.

The lines say exactly what they say:

He's out snorting lines of cocaine and getting stoned.

Just like the line:

"$250.00 up the ar*se" means exactly what it says.

Or, just like the song "Red-headed Woman."

It means exactly what it says.

Like one poster commented, some of Springsteen's songs are just too busy; too much going on to be able to make sense of them.

So, the "critics" are deployed to produce disinformation, fill in the gaps to cover-up the drug abuse, sexually deviant behavior and violent tendencies in many of his songs.

10-02-2007, 05:29 PM
Oh, Goodness!

Watch out Illuminati and "secret government," Bruce Springsteen has called out the Bush Administration.

Now you're going to have to answer to The Boss!

As if anyone thinks Springsteen has an impact on politics!

If you do, you are livin' in a dreamworld.


Bruce Springsteen calls out Bush Administration: “This is a song about things that shouldn’t happen here…happening here.”

Posted: 28 Sep 2007 04:45 PM CDT

Scarce sent in this video and rough transcript of Bruce Springsteen’s appearance on NBC this morning. He slammed the Bush administraion over the way they have attacked our core US values. He sums it up nicely, wouldn’t you say?

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“This is a song called Livin’ In the Future. But it’s really about what’s happening now. Right now. It’s kind of about how the things we love about America, cheeseburgers, French fries, the Yankees battlin’ Boston… the Bill of Rights [holds up microphone, urging crowd to cheer] … v-twin motorcycles… Tim Russert’s haircut, trans-fats and the Jersey Shore… we love those things the way womenfolk love Matt Lauer.

But over the past six years we’ve had to add to the American picture: rendition, illegal wiretapping, voter suppression, no habeus corpus, the neglect of our great city New Orleans and its people, an attack on the Constitution. And the loss of our young best men and women in a tragic war.

This is a song about things that shouldn’t happen here—happening here.”


Livin' in the Future
Bruce Springsteen

A letter come blowin' in on an ill wind
Somethin' 'bout me and you
Never seein' one another again
Yeah, well I knew it'd come
Still I was struck deaf and dumb
Like when we kissed
That taste of blood on your tongue

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

Woke up election day
Skies gunpowder and shades of grey
Beneath a dirty sun, I whistle my time away
Then just about sundown
You come walkin' through town
Your boot heels clickin'
Like the barrel of a pistol spinnin' round

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet

The earth it gave away
The sea rose toward the sun
I opened up my heart to you
It got all damaged and undone
My ship Liberty sailed away on
A bloody red horizon
The groundskeeper opened the gates
And let the wild dogs run


I'm rollin' through town
A lost cowboy at sundown
Got my monkey on a leash
Got my ear tuned to the ground
My faith's been torn asunder
Tell me is that rollin' thunder
Or just the sinkin' sound
Of somethin' righteous goin' under

Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
Don't worry darlin'
Now baby don't you fret
We're livin' in the future and
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet
None of this has happened yet


Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na
Na na na na, na na na na-na


Is it the cocaine?


Springsteen said this song is about things that are happening here and shouldn't be happening.


The article says this song calls out the Bush Administration.


Are these people on drugs??


Just paid well?

Oh yes,

LOOK AT ALL THOSE references to wiretapping, Katrina and torture in the USA.

Not to mention voter suppression and the neglect of OUR great city New Orleans.

I truly believe Springsteen thinks he is the "gatekeeper" for the USA.

I truly believe he thinks he represents the American people.

Has a vote that counts in Congress.

Frightening to live in an illusion as he does.


About as many references to what he mentions in this one song as references to "little girls" and sexually deviant behavior in his song book.

Springsteen said this on The Today Show:

“This is a song called Livin’ In the Future. But it’s really about what’s happening now. Right now. It’s kind of about how the things we love about America, cheeseburgers, French fries, the Yankees battlin’ Boston… the Bill of Rights [holds up microphone, urging crowd to cheer] … v-twin motorcycles… Tim Russert’s haircut, trans-fats and the Jersey Shore… we love those things the way womenfolk love Matt Lauer.

But over the past six years we’ve had to add to the American picture: rendition, illegal wiretapping, voter suppression, no habeus corpus, the neglect of our great city New Orleans and its people, an attack on the Constitution. And the loss of our young best men and women in a tragic war.

This is a song about things that shouldn’t happen here—happening here.”


It's called Livin' in the Future, but it's about what's happening right now??

Yes, because as Springsteen is aware, since he is a part of the cult, the AMERICAN people are living in the FUTURE. The future that he knew would come because he sold his soul to the devil for fortune and fame.

No wonder some of his fans wish he would leave his politics to himself.

THIS SONG IS ABOUT voter suppression; an attack on the Constitution???

No, it isn't.

I beg to differ.

You are a liar, Springsteen.

This song is about you tasting the blood on some one's tongue when you kiss them.

This song is about a letter that came blowing in saying you'd never see someone again.

This song is about you having opened up your heart to someone and it got all damaged and undone.

Who was that?


This song is about a lost cowboy, a monkey on a leash, a groundskeeper and wild dogs.

This song is about how we love french fries, the Boston Red Sox and cheeseburgers.

PLEASE speak for yourself.

You do not speak for the American people.

Very busy, but apolitical.

Like a Richard Scary book.

10-02-2007, 05:40 PM

from Salon.com

Tuesday October 2, 2007 15:55 EST
Blackwater and "Magic"

I woke up at 5:30 this morning like it was Christmas, and went to download Bruce Springsteen's "Magic" before going to the gym. I didn't notice that two friends had already sent it to me, but I was happy to pay for it. It's even better than I'd heard.

I listened to it while reading the New York Times' Blackwater coverage, and it was an eerily fitting soundtrack.



Bruce Springsteen

I got a coin in my palm
I can make it disappear
I got a card up my sleeve
Name it and I'll pull it out your ear
I got a rabbit in my hat
If you wanna come and see
This is what will be
This is what will be

I got shackles on my wrists
Soon I'll slip 'em and be gone (slip 'em and be gone)
Chain me in a box in your river
And I'll rise singin' this song
Trust none of what you hear (trust none of what you hear)
And less of what you see
This is what will be (this is what will be)
This is what will be



(I'll cut you in half)

I got a shiny saw blade (a shiny saw blade)
All I need's a volunteer
I'll cut you in half
While you're smilin' ear to ear
And the freedom that you sought's
Driftin' like a ghost amongst the trees
This is what will be
This is what will be (this is what will be)

Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you fear
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
There's bodies hangin' in the trees
This is what will be (this is what will be)
This is what will be

Oh, yes, very befitting song with respect to Blackwater. I think the message he's sending is this, "Leave everything you know and carry only what you fear." Who in the hell would carry what they fear??? Bodies hanging in trees. This man certainly incorporates dead bodies into a lot of his songs. "Stack the dead at the door..." Magic is the most childish song I have ever heard, but one must consider it comes from the lips of a person who has many alters and some of them being child-like.

"I have a rabbit in my hat if you want to come and see..."

One trick to being alive today is figuring out how not to let the awful straits our country is in ruin our limited time on this wonderful, threatened planet. Springsteen helps. I feel blessed having grown up with him; I look forward to growing old together.

Okay, buddy, you're beginning to sound like you have a homosexual infatuation with Springsteen. YOU GREW UP WITH HIM AND LOOK FORWARD TO GROWING OLD TOGETHER??

Springsteen helps nothing. He's a part of the problem that our country faces.

The political subtext of "Magic" has been well explored, but that's not what's staying with me this morning. I can't get "Your Own Worst Enemy" out of my head; "Girls in Their Summer Clothes" is equally haunting.

If you find Girls in their Summer Clothes haunting, I can see why you find Magic to be a political song.

One of the messages in this song and most probably directed at Springsteen's mind controlled slaves is the following line:


Words from the mouth of a very sick individual.

10-02-2007, 06:13 PM
A verse from "Girls in their Summer Clothes.

She went away
She cut me like a knife
Hello, beautiful thing
Maybe you could save my life

10-02-2007, 06:20 PM
I wonder if RedRat knows of this song.

He's always posting NIGHT after large amounts of white space.

Bruce Springsteen

You get up every morning at the sound of the bell
You get to work late and the boss man's giving you hell
Till you're out on a midnight run
Losing your heart to a beautiful one
And it feels right as you lock up the house
Turn out the lights and step out into the night

And the world is busting at its seams
And you're just a prisoner of your dreams
Holding on for your life 'cause you work all day
To blow 'em away in the night

The rat traps filled with soul crusaders
The circuits lined and jammed with chromed invaders
And she's so pretty that you're lost in the stars
As you jockey your way through the cars
And sit at the light, as it changes to green
With your faith in your machine off you scream into the night

And you're in love with all the wonder it brings
And every muscle in your body sings as the highway ignites
You work nine to five and somehow you survive till the night
Hell all day they're busting you up on the outside
But tonight you're gonna break on through to the inside
And it'll be right, it'll be right, and it'll be tonight

And you know she will be waiting there
And you'll find her somehow you swear
Somewhere tonight you run sad and free

10-02-2007, 06:59 PM
Springsteen made it to the "Crooks and Liars" website as I posted on this thread a few comments before this one.

This is where his political banter from The Today Show was quoted.

Right where he and it belongs as Springsteen clearly lied about the context of the song "Livin' in the Future" and its' meaning!

10-02-2007, 07:25 PM
2Hearts really shouldn't make it known publicly that she listened to half of a Springsteen rehearsal show via cell phone.

The desperation is just too pathetic.

10-02-2007, 09:55 PM
So, the first show of the "E Street Band" long awaited and anticipated concert kicked off tonight.

The fanatics seemed quite content until Springsteen and Scialfa did a duet of her song, "A Town Called Heartbreak."

One poster comments that they pay big bucks to see the "E Street Band" and not Scialfa.

The "controllers" tell the children, ENOUGH ALREADY about one too many Patti songs.

Movielady reprimands them:

just had a quick server crash
we may be getting over loaded

in any case

don't diss the boss's wife
when Momma's happy
everybody's happy
if you think you're making Bruce happy
by walking out on his wife's song
you are mistaken
don't piss him off
show some respect

unless you really gotta go

She tells the fanatics not to piss Springsteen off.

This fanatic has it right:

I do not give a crap about her music. She is fine as a back up singer and that's it!!! Are we going to hear a solo song from Clarence, Little Steven, Niles??? Maybe Max can bring the Max Weinburg 7 from his late night show to play. Give me a break. If he wants to play 26-28 songs then I'm okay with one of her songs but if he is only going to play 21 she better keep her songs for the 200 people that bought her CD]

Another poster refers to Scialfa's singing as squawking.

Have to agree. When I hear her sing the line from "A Town Called Heartbreak," which some of the fanatics refer to as "A Town Called Bathroom Break" during the "E Street Show," I just cringe:

"Man, I've given you my flesh and blood, but you wanted my soul."

Seems like the band has been wearing the same clothes since The Today Show.

Movielady tells the fanatics that they've been paying to see Patti since she joined the band.

Actually, Scialfa is a non-entity, basically, as far as the "E Street Band" is concerned.

The fans haven't been paying to see her.

She stands in the corner with an unplugged guitar and even when she's singing back-up, you can't hear her vocals.

As long as she stands in the corner, they're fine with it.

They don't like it when she's inflicted upon them.

One poster comments that he's been paying to see Bruce and she just happens to be there.

Another poster comments:

Whether you like Patti's music or not, she is literally sacrificing her own career, new album, and potential support tour for the latest ESB project... "Play It As It Lays" was released just about one month ago and is now firmly in the shadow of "Magic" even amongst us open-minded fans...

Scialfa is sacrificing her OWN career?? What career? Her career as a back-up singer with the "E Street Band?" She's there. Performing her "cosmetic" role. So, what career is she sacrificing? Like the Springsteen's couldn't release her CD at some later date, like after Springsteen's and/or after the "E Street Band" tour? I mean, if it was such a sacrifice and so important then certainly they could have been more flexible. It's not like there was pressure for Scialfa to release her CD when she did. It could have been two years from now and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference as far as her non-existent "solo" career.

Even they weren't playing a "Patti" song, it's clear that Bruce plans to do a husband-wife duet slot every night (Brilliant Disguise was considered on his hand-written setlist for one of the rehearsal shows)... It's his right as an artist... lighten up!

After 17 years, a husband and wife duet. Oh, please. Give the fanatics a break.

Oh, my, after 17 years, Scialfa and Springsteen are doing a husband and wife duet and they actually trade verses with Springsteen singing the male part.

According to 2Hearts, it has potential.

Actually, people don't want to pay to listen to something that has potential.

She says Springsteen's voice adds a great deal.

I cannot imagine both of their voices together in the same room.

Nails on a chalkboard.

Another poster comments:

3 Rising Songs? I'd rather hear some full band D and D songs. Not the title song or Matamoras Banks. But I need to hear;

All The Way Home more like it was recorded.

Long Time Coming would be great.

Maria's Bed could be a great replacement for Mary's Place (with out the rant).

I have a feeling Leah would make a nice full band song for some reason.

And if sung like he sings Livin in the Future, All I'm Thinkin' About could be a great little pop song with a full band.

And maybe an acapella bullet mic Reno with a ten minute harmonica and violen exchange between Bruce and Suzie so Bruce can give it to us in the ass like he does the hooker in that song.

Check out the "Official Hartford Setlist" thread at BTX in "The Promised Land."

The way Van Zandt and Springsteen look at each other in the photographs when their "dueting," is quite interesting.

Looks like they're in love.

10-02-2007, 10:13 PM
Funny, isn't it?

All these years, people have thought Scialfa is a back-up singer with the "E Street Band." Can't hear her voice, but she's a back-up singer.

In reality, it's Steve Van Zandt who is the back-up singer.

Can't hear his voice either, but there are more than enough pictures of him and Springsteen at the microphone singing together.

Occasionally, Patti pops in to join both of them or she and Van Zandt hit the microphone together.

I'm telling you.

The smiles on the faces of Springsteen, Van Zandt and Clemons when they're riffing with each other almost look like they're in love.

10-03-2007, 09:46 AM

Volume 15, Issue 22
Published October 3rd, 2007
Discourse Feature
Magic Bust
Springsteen And The E Street Band's Return Has Mixed Results
By Jeff Niesel
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Magic (Columbia)one starone star1/2
BRUCE - Not much magic on his new disc.
BRUCE - Not much magic on his new disc.

Hard to say exactly when Bruce Springsteen ceased being the Boss. You could trace it to 1995's The Ghost of Tom Joad. On that album, Springsteen, always the champion of the blue-collar man, wrote from the perspective of the migrant worker, and it felt hollow and forced. It didn't resonate much with the public either and is one of the Jersey rocker's only albums to not go platinum.

Ever since, Springsteen's been hurting for subject matter. A conflicted patriot from the start, he wrote about 9/11 and its aftermath for 2002's The Rising, reuniting the E Street Band for the occasion. The results were mixed. He then revisited some of the subject matter from Tom Joad for 2005's forgettable Devils & Dust and went back to his roots on the collaborative effort We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions, something that played well to the PBS crowd but nowhere else.

You could say the Boss has lost his command. Or maybe he's just been vacationing a bit too much. Whatever the case, his decision to reunite the E Street Band for the first time since The Rising has triggered some anticipation. Most of the dates on his upcoming US tour have sold out well in advance. But at a time when the music industry is in decline, that won't necessarily translate into album sales.

That frustration rears itself in Magic's opening track (and first single), "Radio Nowhere," a song about how much radio sucks. Sure, the tune has a good garage-rock feel and finds the E Street Band playing with more grit than normal. But its subject matter is hardly revelatory. Springsteen said the same thing better some 15 years ago with Human Touch's "57 Channels (And Nothin' On)." The rough-around-the-edges approach persists in tunes such as "You'll be Comin' Down" and "Last to Die." But while it's a step in the right direction, the songs just don't stand out.

The best material on the album sounds like vintage Springsteen. "I'll Work for Your Love" is a beautiful ballad with nice keyboard work to go along with a moody guitar solo. "Livin' in the Future" sounds a bit like "Cover Me" and provides the best vehicle for sax man Clarence Clemons, who figures prominently on it. It's probably the catchiest song on the album, too. "Gypsy Biker" has some terrific guitar interplay, and Springsteen plays it safe with the lyrics, writing about the small town stuff he knows so well.

But the real mistake Springsteen makes is when he tries too hard to cater to his aging audience, delivering something that verges on easy listening with "Your Own Worst Enemy," a lackluster number fleshed out with an overwrought orchestral arrangement. The same goes for "Girls in their Summer Clothes," a nostalgic tune that's really lifeless. Even the haunting title track suffers from overproduction; Springsteen's vocals are riveting but the synthesizer fills and echoing background vocals detract from his performance. While his catalogue still has some staying power, Springsteen's had a hard time proving he's still the Boss in the 21st century


Springsteen's vocals might sound riveting on the CD, but that's after studio production.

Live, no way!

Dylan's vocals sound decent on a studio produced CD.

Live, they're trashed!

10-03-2007, 09:48 AM
A poster at BTX wonders:

Did anyone else notice Stevie leaving the stage during Magic? I was sitting in Section 113, Row G (which is actually first row....thank you TM drop!!!) and after Gypsy Biker, Stevie says something to Bruce, Bruce pats him on the back and Stevie went down the stairs right by my section. He was only backstage for about 2 minutes and came out and just slumped in a chair by the crew with a bottle of water until the song ended. I wasnt there for the rehearsals so I dont know if he normally sits out Magic or perhaps he just had a "gastric emergency".

10-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Magic Rat is a poster at BTX.

His review in the link below:


10-03-2007, 09:55 AM
A review from a Springsteen fan:

I'm in the camp that believes the shows are too short. They are intense though - so, I'd rather have that than a longer average show.

But, when Bruce sells out arenas in minutes before a note of his new album is heard, he is doing that on the great reputation of his live show. So to come out and deliver just over 2 hours is too little in my opinion.

But, that's not really my major concern. To me, Bruce has always been a complete professional with his music. When people say they understand pacing issues/rust early on, etc......I just don't think that flies.

The band didn't have to wait until two weeks before the opening of the tour to rehearse - and only do 7 or 8 rehearsals at that. Would they be tighter with 20 rehearsals? Probably - so do that. I understand the individual schedules, etc. But, I dont' think (outside of the occasional first show glitch that would happen with any live performance) that show 6 should be SUPERIOR to show 1. People pay the same money for both.

I just feel like this whole thing has been very rushed. Some people say that something seems missing. I think the shows, while short, are great - but, I agree that something seems missing - and I can't figure it out. But, the band, with maybe a month more rehearsal time, could have figured that out.

10-03-2007, 09:57 AM
Another fan review:

Decent show, worst sounds he's ever heard:


10-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Only a pathological liar, such as Springsteen, who LIES to the public about the context of his songs could say the following:

He said something about 6 years of something "Orwellian" times, where lies are sold as truth, and truth is said to be lies (Is that really "orwellian?). That was the lead-in to Magic, obviously. As an aside I would say that if the crowd around me is any indication, he is not reaching his target audience with that message. There was far more (F-A-R more) talking that I was used to during the quiet and slow songs. But it was not a scientific sample. YMMV.


He obviously falls into the category of where LIES are sold as TRUTH.

10-03-2007, 10:11 AM
A poster at BTX wonders:

Bruce ever cheated on Patti????I mean he did cheat on Julieanne. If I was to bet I`de say he has..You know the `ole saying, Once a cheat always a cheat.

Your Thoughts.....


I'd have to agree that if you cheated once, you can't be trusted.

Sexually deviant behavior is standard practice and accepted within the cult.

This way, you don't have to risk being publicly exposed to your infidelities because they keep it secret amongst themselves.

They don't go outside of the cult.

You have to factor in "mind controlled" child and adult sex slaves, too.

Don't you think if Springsteen had an affair with someone within the music industry or outside of the cult, such as when he had his affair with Patti, it would be publicly known?

Hence, the reason I state that infidelity is a standard and accepted practice in the cult and it stays inside the cult.

Certainly, Scialfa has much to lose if she didn't accept it.

10-03-2007, 07:01 PM

Bruce Almighty
If rock is dead, nobody told the Boss.
By Hugo Lindgren

Springsteen in the seventies.
(Photo: Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images)

Amid the effusion of praise that greeted Born to Run upon its release in 1975, Nik Cohn attempted, in this very magazine, to puncture the myth of Bruce Springsteen. Cohn wasn’t acting completely alone. The New York Times had just published a 2,000-word diatribe against the man not yet known to the world as the Boss, accusing him of fakery, sentimentality, and assorted other crimes against rock. But Cohn was more damning. While admitting that he enjoyed the album for its pomp and “mock-tragic” vision, Cohn declared Springsteen “essentially irrelevant. The rock-and-roll dream that he so avidly celebrates is dead. Understandably, the people who have raised him to godhood find that hard to accept, for it means the death of their own youth. So they manage one last fling.”

It’s fair to say that history has proved Cohn wrong. Born to Run has stood up as the archetypal rock album of the seventies, just as Born in the U.S.A. may well be the archetypal rock album of the eighties. But Cohn wasn’t crazy or deluded to view Springsteen as an artist trading in spent tropes of youthful rebellion. What he misjudged was the ability of anything else to fully displace those ideas. Disco, punk, post-punk, hip-hop—they all failed to drive Bruce into total obsolescence. He is still here, in his leather jacket and Levi’s, manhandling his beat-up Fender and packing every arena he plays. Do all these people know rock is dead? They don’t give a shit.

But now that Springsteen is pushing 60, you have to wonder, how much longer can he play the guitar-wielding rock hero? His release last year of a Pete Seeger tribute album, though hardly his first foray into folk, suggested an artist in transition, perhaps to a quieter, more contemplative phase. But the raucous, vaudevillian shows he played on the Seeger tour were anything but contemplative. Now he’s back with Magic, his fifteenth album, for which he’s regrouped with his arena-rocking pals, the E Street Band. On the first song, “Radio Nowhere,” the guitars kick right in, and he starts hollering about his need for “pounding drums” and “a world with some soul.” It’s nothing terribly exciting—the main riff has the faux edge that you used to hear from alternative-rock bands making their major-label debuts—but Springsteen sounds genuinely engaged and pissed off.

Unfortunately, he doesn’t quite keep it up. Though his voice is strong and sincere throughout the album, most of the material has a certain karaoke-like vibe. All but “Radio Nowhere” and the gentle, melancholic title track have what sound to my ears like obvious antecedents in his back catalogue:

You’ll Be Comin’ Down = Lucky Town
Livin’ in the Future = Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out
Gypsy Biker = The River
I’ll Work for Your Love = Thunder Road
Last to Die = Roulette

The rote familiarity of the material is compounded by the fact that the E Street Band tackles every song—and that’s the word, tackle, as in football—with, at best, dutiful competence. Their skills are suited to huge places. The rhythm section pounds away as if every room has the intimacy of Madison Square Garden. And all apologies to Clarence Clemons, but I’ve heard better saxophone playing on subway platforms.

A license to tour, that’s what this album really is. Once upon a time, bands toured to support albums; now they release albums to support tours. And at this point, Springsteen’s appeal is only partly about music. His boomer fans revere him also as a role model—of how to grow old with integrity, how to get rich without going soft, how to not lose all your hair, how to not get fat, how to not turn into someone who would embarrass your younger self. It’s not eternal youth he symbolizes so much as a version of middle age that you wouldn’t be afraid to look at in the mirror.


As far as how to not turn into someone who would embarrass your younger self, I think Springsteen lacks the ability to become embarrassed or the insight to know how to behave so as not inflict embarrassment upon others.

His behavior is accepted as normal, particularly by his fans, so therefore, he feels he has been given a license to behave immorally.

I'm sure it's also a social skill that he never learned.

10-03-2007, 07:09 PM

Over at BTX, they topped the most users ever on line yesterday, the first day of the Magic tour.

So, the count was at 702 and somehow it has reverted back to 666.

I guess they like that number!

10-03-2007, 08:30 PM
This is Movieladie's theme for the day over at BTX.

She appears to be one of the "guards."

big AND long
why is that a theme for me today
don't answer that

10-03-2007, 08:42 PM
The fanatics who post commentaries at BTX about Springsteen's political banter before, during or after a show is just ridiculous.

As if whatever Springsteen says politically to an audience full of people in altered states of consciousness matters.

Most of his fans sound about as dysfunctional as he is.

As if whatever Springsteen says politically ANYWHERE matters.

The man isn't a politician.

The American people don't look to Springsteen for political advice.

As I've stated. Perhaps, he should have been a politician.

He seems to think he represents the American people.

He seems to think that his political views matter; although he fails to establish them in song.

He would have made a GREAT politician.

He's a sexual deviant, a liar, part of the "satanic cult" and uses mind control on his fans.

10-03-2007, 09:07 PM
From Patti Scialfa's website.


Each of Patti Scialfa's previous solo albums - "Rumble Doll" (1993) and "23rd Street Lullaby" (2004) - received four-star reviews in Rolling Stone magazine who praised her "...clear-eyed joyfulness and unpretentious appeal...(evoking)...a woman not haunted by her past but enriched by it."



"...a woman not haunted by her past but enriched by it."

What happened in Scialfa's past that would haunt her?


Why would they write such a thing unless they knew what they were referring to?

10-03-2007, 11:03 PM
I assume Springsteen begins his tours in Connecticut because his sister, Pammy, lives there.

Bring'emHome's take on the show last night!

Little Steven looked and sounded great last night! I don't know what he's been doing, but he seemed to be full of energy and really up. He was full of fire on the guitar. Very, very nice.

Rock on Baby!

He seemed to be having a blast as did Bruce last night. I am still on a high from last night soley from the music! The energy was infectious.


Yes, they were having a blast together.

Bruce and Little Stevie Van Zandt look like they're in love when they duet together.

The sparkle in their eyes are a dead give away along with their smiles at one another.

So, too when Springsteen is riffing with Clarence.

Well, we certainly hope that HIGH you're on from the music and the infectious energy lasts until your next show otherwise you'll be going through withdrawals with the rest of the addicts for the next several years.

A bad habit you just can't kick.

Rock on, Baby!

10-04-2007, 08:45 AM
From the Village Voice


The Treading
The Boss evokes those glory days but doesn't exactly push things forward
by Amy Linden

October 3rd, 2007 12:51 AM

Reviews: Bruce Springsteen Coasts on Magic

Reviews: Amy Linden

The E Street Band last convened around Bruce Springsteen on 2001's The Rising; since then, the Boss (who looks finer as he gets older) has taken a leave of absence from rock 'n' roll to indulge in smaller projects, e.g. last year's Pete Seeger tribute. Both the time away and Bruce's stylistic shift have made this highly anticipated reunion capital-M Major: For the faithful (which includes at least three-fourths of New Jersey), it's nothing short of an answered prayer.

The answer, unfortunately, is Magic, a maddeningly uneven record that often sounds like legends coasting, most apparently on "Living in the Future" and "Last to Die." The latter is Springsteen 101, echoing all those intros with understated strumming and/or tinkling sleigh-bell keyboards, all those quadruple-stacked choruses and slowly ascending, triumphantly screaming guitars. Oh, and there's something about a highway. Bruce, I love you—but unless you're giving directions, no more highways.

"Living in the Future," meanwhile, is dragged down by Clarence Clemons's "soulful" sax, which not only sounds dated but gives me a freaking headache. And speaking of headaches, Magic's sound is so compressed and shitty that I seriously thought my speakers were busted—it's impossible sometimes to tell one instrument from another as producer Brendan O'Brien (who managed to not fuck up The Rising) smashes Springsteen's Wall of Sound into rubble.

Lest I lose my suburb pass, there are some killer cuts. "Radio Nowhere" kicks in like a last-chance power drive (sorry), a perfect summer song for autumn. Better still are the gloriously melodic and passionate "Gypsy Biker" and "Girls in Their Summer Clothes"—the latter is sad and sweet (detailing what was and what can never be again through the eyes of a man whose days with Spanish Johnny on the boardwalk are through), while the former, with its mix of Beat poetry and Catholic guilt (here the Bruceisms work), is fueled by Springsteen's furious harmonica.

But if there's anything Bruce Springsteen truly embodies, it's passion, and what makes Magic not bad but certainly disappointing is that these songs have no purpose. Darkness on the Edge of Town, Born in the U.S.A., The River—most of Bruce's catalog is driven by something, be it the end of a marriage or the life, death, and rebirth of a dream. It's cynical, but at times Magic feels like a bone thrown to the industry to keep everyone off Bruce's back so he can continue doing smart folk music. Or an excuse to hang with the guys. Which wouldn't be so awful an excuse if the guys sounded like being back together meant as much to them as it does to us.

10-04-2007, 08:49 AM
Moving beyond E-Street The Irish Times

CD Choice: Rock

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN Magic Columbia Records ****

There is a photograph on www. brucespringsteen.net that strikes a chord. Against a nondescript urban backdrop, the current E-Street Band poses for the camera. In the centre is the 58-year-old main man with his talented moll, Patti Scialfa, as befitting the leader of the gang.

Thirty-four years ago, on the sleeve of The Wild, the Innocent and the E-Street Shuffle, there was a similar photograph with only a slightly different cast. But the message was the same. This was not just a band, but a gang who shared more than a stage. Theirs was a bond forged on the mean streets of New Jersey and the heated atmosphere of clubs along the Jersey shore. It was also a lot more believable then.

Now, the E-Street Band have become optional extras in the unfolding Springsteen story. Though the band were retired in 1990, their leader brought them back together in the late 1990s for a series of tours and, of course, the epic post 9/11 album The Rising.

Since then they have got on with their lives - Miami Steve Van Zandt playing Silvio Dante in The Sopranos, Max Wineberg leading the house band on Conan O'Brien's US talk show - while their leader bathed in the glory of the Seeger Sessions.

But the umbilical chord between the band and Springsteen has been cut. Springsteen has visibly grown, both in his solo material and adventures such as the Seeger Sessions, and while Magic may not be his strongest work to date, it is very much his album. The band literally have walk-on parts.

There's nothing wrong with their playing - big and brash or soft and sensitive, they're a class bunch of musicians who serve Springsteen's radio-friendly material diligently. But the gang is no more than a memory. It is no surprise to learn that they came down to play at weekends after Springsteen and producer Brendan O'Brien had laid the groundwork during the week.

There are echoes of Springsteen's recent foray with folk, such as the wonderful hidden 12th track. There are also good performances and songs - the surprising baroque pop of Girls in Their Summer Clothes, the foreboding of Devil's Arcade, and the rich reflection of Long Walk Home.

But Magic's big trick is that, beneath the intensity of the sound, this is actually Springsteen lite. www.brucespringsteen.net


10-04-2007, 08:51 AM
The writer above refers to Patti Scialfa as Springsteen's moll, which means what?

A gangster's female companion.

10-04-2007, 08:53 AM
Meet the New Boss: Bruce Springsteen & the K Street Band?
DEPARTMENT Washington Babylon
BY Ken Silverstein
PUBLISHED October 3, 2007
I just posted an item about Washington lobbyists raising money for Republican members of Congress. I should also note here an upcoming fund-raiser being planned for Congressman Ed Towns, the New York Democrat.

The event will be held on November 12th and will be hosted by the Entertainment Software Association (ESA). For a mere $2,500, lucky contributors will be able to party at the Verizon Center and catch a show by Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band.

The ESA “works with government at all levels to make the voice of its members heard on a wide range of crucial legislative and public policy issues, including intellectual property protection, content regulation, and efforts to regulate the Internet.” Incidentally, Towns holds a seat on the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet.

I’m guessing The Boss is unaware that he’s being used as bait for a congressional fund-raiser. If he does know, he might want to change that name to the “K Street Band.”

10-04-2007, 08:58 AM
This season's talk of the town is not in New York
By John Buccigross
Updated: October 3, 2007, 5:55 PM ET
Editor's Note: Bucci continues his Eastern Conference countdown. Check out his East Nos. 15-11 picks here and Nos. 10-6 here. For his West outlook, click here.

What Max Weinberg is to Bruce Springsteen, Martin Brodeur is to the Devils.
5. New Jersey Devils

Voice says "Don't worry, I'm here
Just whisper the word tomorrow in my ear"
House on a quiet street, a home for the brave
A glorious kingdom with the sun on your face
-- "Devil's Arcade" by Bruce Springsteen

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band's latest CD came out Tuesday. I've had a bootleg of it for a few weeks thanks to a fellow ESPN employee who shall remain nameless. In the words of Dr. Evil, the new Boss CD is "pretty standard stuff, really." Bruce sings about bars, porches, girls in their summer clothes, a girl named Teresa, a diner, a Johnny, a Mary; there's lots of harmonica, Clarence Clemons' sax, Max Weinberg's drums and all the other E Street fixins'. "Born to Run" 101 stuff mixed with "The Rising" 101 stuff.

And I'm OK with that. Sunrises and sunsets have pretty much the same assortment of shades and hues, yet they still take your breath away. I think some musicians get a raw deal when someone says they stick to a formula. Well, what's wrong with a formula of success? Do what you're good at. Time will change everything anyway; even if it's subtle, it is still a change. Technology changes, voices change, souls change.


Oh, yes. Singing about porches, sunsets, bars, girls in their summer clothes will certainly change things.

10-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Some of the fans review Magic:


10-04-2007, 10:23 AM
I can't imagine Springsteen would draw a large amount of big donors for a democratic political fundraiser.

Obviously, his managment didn't know this was a fundraiser and they seem objectionable about the event.


Springsteen connected himself with Kerry's campaign.

He played at the Vote for Change tour.

Springsteen has stated through LIES that many of the songs on his MAGIC CD are political.

Springsteen banters about politics at his shows and while on The Today Show.

So, what's the problem?

Harper's Magazine

As expected, Bruce Springsteen had no idea that a Democratic congressional campaign was using him as bait for big donors. I reported yesterday that Congressman Ed Towns of New York would be holding a fund-raiser on November 12th, hosted by the Entertainment Software Association, at the Verizon Center in downtown Washington. The big draw for contributors is that night’s show by Springsteen and the E Street Band.

This morning I received an email from Jon Landau, Springsteen’s manager. “Obviously we had no idea about the fund-raiser at the Verizon Center and are looking into it right now,” he said. “Bruce does not allow his name to be used to promote anything without his permission, but sometimes the truly ingenious find ways to piggyback their events on top of what we do in ways that are hard to disentangle.”

10-04-2007, 05:46 PM
I'll be sure NOT to watch 60 minutes this Sunday.

As I've said, does anyone really care what Bruce Springsteen has to say politically?

He answers back to his critics about his anti-war stance.


What critics?

No one is paying attention to what you say politically.

From the Drudge Report...

Thu Sept 20 2007 16:11:22 ET

Oh, yes. Springsteen is under fire.

Rocker Bruce Springsteen answers critics who call his anti-war sentiments unpatriotic by saying the real sin against patriotism is saying nothing while your country is being harmed. Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's still writing songs and performing, in an interview with Scott Pelley to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Oct. 7 (7:30-9:00 PM, ET, 7:00-9:00 PM, PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Springsteen discusses why he's still writing songs and performing? What's to discuss. He's paid to do so!

When reminded that his anti-war views, prominent on his new album, "Magic,Ó will cause people to say he is unpatriotic -- as his critic have charged before ®¢ Springsteen says "That's just the language of the day... the modus operandi for anybody who doesn't like somebody... criticizing where we've been or where we're going," he tells Pelley. "I believe every citizen has a stake in the course, direction of their country. That's why we vote... It's unpatriotic at any given moment to sit back and let things pass that are damaging to some place that you love so dearly and that has given me so much," says the 58-year-old musician.

60 minutes is actually buying the bullshi*t that his new CD is about the war??? They didn't read the lyrics?? I suppose they only read the brainwashing reviews and what Springsteen states about the CD politically, which are, LIES! I thought 60 minutes was capable of better reporting than this. Oh, I forgot. They're owned by the "media mobsters."

Springsteen believes every CITIZEN has a stake in the course/direction of their country? DUH. Gee, we're so glad you've informed of us this. Now, would you kindly inform everyone that the people don't have the power to change anything and neither do you especially since you sold yourself to the devil decades ago and are a part of the "satanic cult;" who are a part of the NWO; who are a part of the conspiracy to turn America into a Nazi/fascist regime.

What a hypocrite!

It's unpatriotic at any moment to sit back and and let things pass that are damaging to something you love so dearly???

Oh, yes. Such a patriot you are. I believe you welcomed your fans to the NWO in one of your songs. Did you not? Yes you did. Care to explain that?

I didn't think so.

I suppose it was easy for you, huh, when I was tortured and left for brain dead in order to save yourself from prosecution. The pedophile that you are.

This country hasn't given you anything. The music mobsters have supplied you with sex slaves, drugs and money.

In the interview, Springsteen points out the direction in which the U.S. is going, by his estimation. "I think we've seen things happen over the past six years that I don't think anybody ever thought they'd ever see in the United States," says Springsteen. "When people think of the Unites States' identity, they don't think of torture. They don't think of illegal wiretapping. They don't think of voter suppression," he tells Pelley. "They don't think of no habeas corpus," he says, referring to the people being held by the U.S. government in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Sorry, pal, but people think of all those things. It's not like you've enlightened anyone. What we didn't expect was government involvement in a terrorist attack. Why don't you tell the interviewer about the torture you inflicted upon me?

"Those are things that are anti-American," Springsteen says. "There's been a whole series of things thatÉI never thought I'd ever see in America," he tells Pelley.

You knew exactly what was in store for America's future.

10-05-2007, 07:35 AM
Springsteen is under fire for his political views??

I guess we all missed that one!

Bill O'Reilly made a statement about whatever it is that Springsteen has said publicly about the war.

What a set-up.

He's been offered an invititation to appear on O'Reilly's show, but instead opts for 60 minutes.

10-05-2007, 08:05 AM

By Andrew Romano and Susannah Meadows
Updated: 6:13 p.m. ET Oct. 4, 2007

Oct. 7, 2007 - This week Bruce Springsteen released “Magic,” his first album in five years with the fabled E Street Band. As critics everywhere swoon—"a great return to form" (Reuters); his "most complex, textured work in decades" (The Independent of London); "he looked trimmer and tanner than he had the last time I’d seen him" (The New York Times)—two of NEWSWEEK's biggest Boss fans, Andrew Romano and Susannah Meadows, discussed whether the record actually deserves all the praise.

ROMANO: So after a few days of listening to "Magic," my official reaction is still stuck on "mixed." Which is a little disappointing, really, because liking Springsteen is practically in my blood. I grew up South Jersey, about 45 miles from the Boss's hometown of Freehold, and spent my childhood summers on the shore. As a 2-year-old, I used to "perform" selections from "Born in the U.S.A." for my parents after dinner. When I was a little older, I fell in love with classic Bruce—everything from 1973's "Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J." to 1980's "The River."

People often make fun of Garden Staters for our "irrational" obsession with Springsteen, but I think it's totally justified. Those early records lent our relentlessly mocked state a sense of drama, even grandeur. They mythologized the very things—the Exxon stations, the swamps, the tacky boardwalks—that other people made fun of. I used to cruise around my beach town with "Rosalita" on the stereo and pretend I was the song's heartsick singer. For me, it's a matter of pride. It's personal.

Before we get down to reviewing "Magic," I'm curious to know, Susannah, how you became a Springsteen fan. What drew you, a Southern Californian, to his music? Why do you even care?

MEADOWS: Unlike you, I was not born into the faith. Growing up in San Diego, I remember having a crush on the "Born in the U.S.A." Bruce. The one who dressed in muscles, sweat and tight jeans. (You wondered how a Southern Californian could feel a connection.) I thought more about how Courtney Cox got picked to dance with him on stage—how did the video cameraman know to show her before Bruce grabbed her hand?—than what the music meant. Oh. To be her. But as much as I may have daydreamed and enjoyed those catchy songs when they came on the radio, I was a polytheistic kid. I memorized the moves to “Thriller.”

When I came to Bruce after college, I wasn’t even looking for him. I was renting my sister and her boyfriend’s apartment for the summer in San Francisco. He was the fan—such a big one that he even bought Patti Scialfa’s album “Rumble Doll,” I think, as a courtesy to Bruce. That summer, he left his entire Springsteen collection in the apartment. I started listening, and I was done. I guess I was "Born in the U.S.A." again.

From the start, I was drawn to the less-E-Street-y Bruce, where I could hear his voice and the stories he was telling over the noise of run-of-the-mill guitar piled on a caveman backbeat. They always sounded to me like a glorified bar band. I never got the organ. I never got the fuss over Clarence. And I will never understand why Steven Van Zandt is a star. That summer, I played one particularly fertile stretch off the "Live 1975-1985" album over and over. The band quietens down long enough for Bruce to deliver a plaintive and soulful “Darkness on the Edge of Town,” which bleeds into “Racing in the Streets,” followed by a rousing, yet bitter sweet rendition of “This Land Is Your Land,” and finishes on “Nebraska,” where the guy is about to be put to death for having gone on a murdering spree. I would come to think of this as the good Bruce.

Naturally, I think of "Tunnel of Love" as one of his best. And his last string of albums where he ditched the E Street Band again felt like a gift. So when I listened to "Magic," with E Street back in business, I was hardly surprised not to like it much. But, since you're more inclined to like this Bruce, tell me what you think worked.

ROMANO: You're right to say that "Magic," Springsteen's most straightforward rock record since "Born in the U.S.A.," is more in the mold of my Bruce than yours. You like him when he's a smart, stripped-down singer-songwriter, without all the bluster and bravado of being "the future of rock and roll." I like him at his fiestiest—all those absurd, overblown, operatic moments that are so easy to parody, like "Rosalita," "Thunder Road" and "Badlands." What we can agree on is that he's an expert craftsman who has managed, time and again, to mine rock, pop and folk traditions for melodies that seem like they've always existed, and then match them with lyrics that actually attempt to say something about, you know, contemporary America.

On "Magic," he largely hits both of those marks. Nearly every song on the album boasts the sort of comfortable, well-tailored tune that made"Hungry Heart" a top 10 hit. There's a certain graceful inevitability to "You'll Be Comin' Down," "Girls in Their Summer Clothes" and "Your Own Worst Enemy" that sounds really simple but takes a skilled songwriter to pull off. This is his strongest pop material in a long, long time. Couple it with Springsteen's lyrics—thoughtful ruminations on death, deception, the Iraq War, civil liberties and community that darken and deepen the record's upbeat, summery sound—and you've got a collection that's a whole lot more complex than most of what's on the FM dial (or "Radio Nowhere," as Springsteen calls it on the CD's first single). Springsteen might be the only popular musician since protest-era Bob Dylan who can sing political songs without sounding preachy. That Dylan never wrote anything as infectious as, say, "Livin' in the Future," a "Magic" raveup that's been stuck in my head for days, only goes to show why Bruce is the one and only Boss.

But that's also why we superfans hold him to such high standards. To me, "Magic" is a good record. It's just not, ultimately, a good Springsteen record. From what you said earlier, I get the sense that you agree (at least with the "not a good Springsteen record" part). Before I bash Bruce, I'd like to hear how "Magic" fails to do what you think the Boss does best. Other than, ahem, flex his muscles and sweat.

MEADOWS: If only the pop songs on “Magic” were as good as “Hungry Heart”! I don’t need my Bruce to be lyrical and stripped down all the time. I love a good pop song. Yes, the songs on this album sure are “comfortable” and “well-tailored,” but those aren’t the words I would use to describe a song that makes me want to move. To me, those words sum up what’s wrong with the album overall: everything feels familiar, too familiar, like a blander, poor man’s version of the songs of his I’d rather be listening to. “Magic” is an album of in-betweens, songs you either fast-forward past, or wait out.

I’m suspicious that he was pandering to his fans, going so far as to make his famous concert line—“Is there anybody alive out there?”—the chorus of the first track, “Radio Nowhere.” After many of them rejected the more musically sophisticated “Seeger Sessions” album, it’s as if he was saying with this record, “Thanks for being patient, now I’ll give you what you want.” So rather than try anything new on “Magic,” he seems to be plagiarizing himself. He rounded up Mary, a gypsy, and something on wheels that goes fast (in this case, a motorcycle). Then he threw in some piano-tinkling, a stretch or two of uninventive sax-playing and plenty of disillusionment

And I like disillusionment, just not the Cliff’s Notes kind. On “Magic,” he even sounds like his own imitators. I was reminded of Bryan Adams while listening to this album—twice! So even though my expectations were low, “Magic” is ultimately frustrating for me because I know he knows better than to sing a line as used-up as “she cut me like knife.” I do think “Terry’s Song” has actual heart and I agree that “Girls in Their Summer Clothes” is a pleasing tune. But even that song is problematic, sounding at times like a parody of a Raymond Carver story, or worse, himself: “The fluorescent lights/ flick over Pop’s Grill/ Shaniqua brings the coffee and asks/ “Fill?” and says “Penny for your/ thoughts now my boy, Bill” (As a side note, I wonder if he wanted us to think that the waitress was black.)

And now here we are, back at the carnival. Only this time, it’s a Disney version of itself. I can only hope that the fans aren’t that stupid, that, even if they want the old Bruce, they won’t settle for “Bruce.”

ROMANO: You're absolutely right about "comfortable" songs. The best rock music isn't about comfort, and "Magic" is "comfortable" above all else. Comfortable for Springsteen, who doesn't stretch an inch. And comfortable for the stadium audiences that just want an excuse to chug beer, pump their fists and party like it's 1979.

Springsteen's lyrics may be "well-tailored," as I wrote before, but they're also maddeningly abstract. He's constantly going on about how "my ship Liberty sailed away on a bloody red horizon" and how "we'd marked Truth or Consequences on our map." Sure, I understand he's writing allegorically about the same old stuff—relationships and America, mostly—but I prefer my lyrics to read like real life, not some second-rate sermonizing. On songs like "Racing in the Street," Springsteen crafted rock-solid prose with strong characters and gripping scenes. "Magic" is all "poetry"—or at least what you'd get after carefully rearranging the magnets ("Mary," "Darlin', "Pop's Grill," "Sal's grocery" and "Revelation") on the Springsteen family fridge.

So even though we disagree about our favorite Springsteen records, we agree that "Magic" isn't one of them.

Here's why, I think: Bruce is at his best when he's specific. On his early records, that specificity was of the "endearing Jersey wharf rat" variety, as Slate's Stephen Metcalf once put it. Back then, he was a scrappy, scrawny regional hero transforming what he'd seen and heard on the boardwalk into ecstatic little comic book songs. That's my Bruce.

The second half of his career—from 1978's "Darkness on the Edge of Town" on—has seen Springsteen alternating between two modes. One is the subtle, precise short-story writer of "Nebraska," "Tunnel of Love," "The Ghost of Tom Joad" and "Devils and Dust" (parts of "Darkness" and "The Rising" also fit the bill). That's the Meadows Bruce. The other is, as Metcalf wrote, the "majestic American simpleton ... obsessed with cars, Mary, the Man, and the bitterness between fathers and sons." That's the Bruce of "Magic." And it's getting a little old.

10-05-2007, 08:07 AM
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who finds Springsteen's lyrics MADDENINGLY ABSTRACT.

10-05-2007, 08:08 AM
It is incredible or is it not that a poster at BTX comments that the two writers of the Newsweek article should be shot and killed?

10-05-2007, 08:29 AM
A poster at BTX, in response to the fanatics who can't deal with negative reviews about Springsteen's music, comments:

Not everyone on the planet loves Bruce.

Live with it.

If you watch the Plaza videos , you'll see people actually walking past the show with ipods in. how could they????????????????

hunt them down and rid the world of these charlatans.....

10-05-2007, 08:59 AM
A comment from a disgruntled fan over at BTX:

After Bruce's last two offerings ad his politial crap I went to hartford barely excited. So we get GA bracelets and two cats from England with Bruce camp credentials stops 14 of us and says he needs 14 people to film a quick thing which will be used to introduce the band when the lights go down. He says we'll do two takes, and Bruce will watch them and decide which to use. I went from being not that excited to beig totally pumped.

I go about my business and go back for the GA drawing and when I get there someoe stops me and say the film thing didn't work out and it was't going to be used. Big dissapointment. They pull the GA number, mine sucked so I sold my ticket ad left. The dude who bought my ticket had a bracelet ad no ticket. Bad enough they sold way too many GA's, but people were also scamming by using copies of the same ticketfast printout and getting bracelets, or getting multiple bracelets.

So this is why I'm turned off

1) his political bullshit
2) Devils and Dust and SSB
3) Too many GA's
4) Hires people from England instead America of to do his filming when he is always shooting his mouth off about Americas losing jobs
5) He has these English dudes tell 14 people they will be use a film that will be used to open the show only to not use it and dissapoint the shit out of these 14 fans
6) Lacks proper controls to prevent GA scams which allowed folks without GA's to get bracelets, or get multiple bracelets

And he should have started the tour after the album was out.

I'll still go see him once in a while, but in my opinion in the last five years he went from being the best out there to being just another artist.

10-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Why doesn't Springsteen accept Bill O'Reilly's offer to come on his show since he's the ONLY individual who has placed Springsteen under all this so-called fire?


Is Springsteen afraid of a Pit Bull?

10-05-2007, 11:57 AM
Oh, my, Springsteen is being debated over at The Huffington Post.


One poster says he could care less what Springsteen has to say whether it's about politics or toothpaste.

You know, Springsteen's come under such fire lately, he MUST TAKE A STAND DOWN IN JUNGLELAND.

Oh, yes, obviously there is an all out campaign to squelch Springsteen's Freedom of Speech by calling him unpatriotic and the country is just so upset!!

Poor thing!

As if he's the only person in the world who is anti-Iraq war.

The man is such an attention seeker.

His initials BS suit him well.


Springsteen responds to a question:

BS: As an artist and a citizen, you're gaining a chance to take part in moving the country in the direction of its deepest ideals. Artists are always speaking to people's freedoms. The shout for freedom and its implications was implicit in rock & roll from its inception. Freedom can only find its deepest meaning within a community of purpose. So as an individual I'm getting to take a small part in that process.

HUH? As an artist and a citizen you're gaining a chance to take part in moving the country in the direction of its deepest ideals???


The man is delusional.

He thinks he can actually move the country in the direction of its deepest ideals.

You have no morals, pal, nonetheless any power to move the country in any direction other than as an operative for the NWO and their agenda of a Nazi/fascist regime without freedoms and, of this, you are aware.

Your songs and music haven't changed a thing in this country particularly since you have never written a political song.

Your music/lyrics contain explicit sexually deviant themes, sexual programming, mind control and alter changing mechanisms.

Now, what song is it wherein you welcomed your fans to the NWO???

How 'bout elaborating on that?

The man thinks he's gaining a chance to move the country toward it's deepest ideals!!!

Well, we are all waiting.

How come it took you so long?

Does he think he's running for the office of the Presidency?

Maybe you'd be more effective if you weren't a part of the "satanic cult."

Rock 'n' Roll was about sex and drugs as evidenced by your lyrics and a way to alter the consciousness of its' listeners. A way to suck an audience into the "worship" mode of these musicians, yourself included.

Thus, paying more attention to them than the country itself.

You sold your soul to the devil for fortune and fame.

A patriot you are not.

You are a pedophile in need of serious psychological help.

Decades have passed and there isn't one musician, including yourself, who, through their lyrics or voice has made a difference in America.

We are living under a Nazi/fascist regime.

One of which you are aware would occur since your allegiance is to the "satanic cult."

10-05-2007, 12:06 PM

Check out these lyrics from Foggerty.

Talk about not being abstract or incomprehensibly metaphorical.

Something Springsteen is unable to accomplish.


Fogerty again...

I Can't Take It No More

I can't take it no more I can't take it no more
I'm sick and tired of your dirty little war
I can't take it no more

You know you lied about the casualties
You know you lied about the WMDs
You know you lied about the detainees
All over this world

Stop talkin' about stayin' the course
You keep on beatin' that old dead horse
You know you lied about how we went to war
I can't take it no more

I bet you never saw the old schoolyard
I bet you never saw the National Guard
Your daddy wrote a check and there you are,
Another fortunate son

I can't take it no more I can't take it no more
I'm sick and tired of your dirty little war
I can't take it no more

I can't take it no more I can't take it no more
I'm sick and tired of your dirty little war
I can't take it no more


Long Dark Night ("Revival")
John Foggerty

Georgie's in the jungle, knockin' on the door
Come to get your children, wants to have a war

Come on, Lord you better run
Be a long, dark night before this thing is done

Brownie's in the outhouse, Katrina on the line
Gulf is a disaster but Georgie says it's fine

Come on, Lord you better run
Be a long, dark night before this thing is done

Rummy's in the kitchen messin' with the pan
Dickie's in the back stealin' every thing he can

Come on, Lord you better run
Be a long, dark night before this thing is done

You better run
You better run
Lord you better run
Yeah, better run

Runnin' down the highway, shoutin' to the Lord
Georgie's got religion and you know we can't afford...

More years, Lord you better run
Be a long, dark night before this thing is done
Be a long, dark night before this thing is done

10-05-2007, 12:28 PM
A poster at the Huffinton Post debate comments:

They went after Bruce ?
Finally, the beginning of the end for Bush and the NeoCon reactionaries!

Springsteen responds over at Huffington:

Sitting on the sidelines would be a betrayal of the ideas I'd written about for a long time. Not getting involved, just sort of maintaining my silence or being coy about it in some way, just wasn't going to work this time out. I felt that it was a very clear historical moment.


The ideas you've written about for a long time???

What ideas?

The ideas of sex with little girls, homosexual behavior, encounters with prostitutes?

Cars, makin' love with Crazy Janey in the dirt?

Oral sex with your wife?

Those ideas?

You rarely write about America's ideas and/or politically in your songs, if at all.

I don't think this is Springsteen speaking.

Either that, or the man is in an altered state and doesn't realize what the lyrics in his song book read like.

Springsteen considers himself an alternative source of information in the following comment:

I don't think the audience are lemmings. They get their various points of view from a lot of places. I try to come in and be that alternative source of information. I try to speak my case as directly as I can. If that makes you angry, that's fine. The artist is there to open up discourse, to get people thinking about American identity: Who are we? What do we fight for? What do we stand for? I view these things as a fundamental part of my job, and they have been for the past thirty years.

He tries to speak his case.

What case?

What alternative source of information?

As if he's said anything the American people haven't read in the papers or heard on the news.

The artist isn't there to open up discourse and get people thinking about American identity.

You don't even know you're own identity.

You apparently think you're a musical politician.

The only thing people think about when they listen to your songs are sexually deviant behavior, darkness and desperation.

A poster comments:

Is it a coincidence that his new album is out or is it just me?.....Bruce isn't very intelligent or articulate so it will be a hoot to see him discussing his useless opionons on public affairs....My favorite is still when he was on Nightline when he said in one sentence that he 1) Wasn't partisan and 2) But he wanted Bush out of of office...:)

Another poster comments:

Wow, I didn't even know he was still alive.

Exactly who has been questioning his patriotism?

There are so many other anti war musicians, some who have actually had a hit record in in the past twenty years. Why would anyone bother with an old dinosaur like Bruce?

I suspect he's making up stories, just to get a little media attention. (Kinda like Crystal Gail Mangum and Tawana Brawley).

People are so brainwashed about Springsteen. One poster comments that he's STOOD UP FOR THE AVERAGE GUY.


In what way.

He writes music about blue-collar workers, pretends to be one but is a rich man in poor man's clothes to play the role.


Springsteen has certainly had an impact on the rights of the average guy.


The average guy who follows him around from show to show, buying airplane tickets and attending four/five concerts, etc. has had an impact on Springsteen's life of luxury.

Another poster comments:

Bruce has done more for this country than most of the senators and congressman that are capitol hill today. Just another case of atacking anyone who dares to stand up to this WH- the most corrupt, criminal, and incompetent ever!

These people are delusional.

Springsteen has done more for this country than the senators and congressman.


Someone care to clue the rest of the world into exactly what it is that Springsteen has done for this country or the average folk???

10-05-2007, 12:47 PM
The entire world is currently focused on the political fire under which Bruce Springsteen has become inflamed.

I mean, over at the Huffington Post there are four whole pages, some pro, some con and comments by people who seem totally brainwashed about Springsteen, his current political statements, as if they're some big secret and haven't been spoken before by anyone other than himself, about the firestorm he has created around himself.


All eyes are on Springsteen because he's going to alter the current course of America from the "satanic cult" which has all of us in their grip and that of which he is a part.

10-05-2007, 01:11 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

I mean, over at the Huffington Post there are four whole pages....

10-05-2007, 10:03 PM
The E Street Band show at the Wachovia Center tonight.

The BTXers are unsure at this point whether or not some Philly fans booed when Springsteen announced his wife had an album out.

Not sure whether they performed a duet or not, but in any event MOVIELADY, one of the "gatekeepers," insists they were saying Bruuucce!

Here is a review from a fan:

I feel compelled to comment on the first of the two Philly shows.

A Philly Bruce show has always been known as THE show. Well, tonight was the exception. Of the many Bruce shows that I have seen, it was one of the worst ones I have seen. No special songs for Philly, and the standard songs lacked energy and there were quite a bit of screw ups in the transitions, words, solos etc. Also, the sound in the arena was horrible, there was quite a bit of feedback and the lyrics were drowned out, totally inaudible.

10-05-2007, 10:06 PM
This poster says it all:

Yep, it's that vicious cycle of hoping the man will one day appear to be what you thought he was; what the media portrayed him to be.

Seems you've been waiting for decades.

A poster's comment about the negative review of tonight's show from another fan:

He's saving it all for tomorrow night.
Can't ever lose hope!
Don't rain on my pre-show high.
I've never left a show let down.
That feeling must suck.
Tour just started...he's gotta leave us wanting more, no?
So we can come back next time around and see how much better, tighter, MORE they're playing.
It's the cycle that keeps us hooked, maybe.
Looking forward to getting into the pit tomorrow night - I'm a pit virgin!

10-05-2007, 10:27 PM
This poster seems to understand that Springsteen and the band spend very little time in the RECORDING studio, therefore rehearsals are necessary before the tour, but it's not enough to bring it all together.

Especially since Springsteen and the band don't write the music and it must be learned and practiced together at rehearsals before the tour.

The band doesn't write the lyrics either!!

The E Street Band is basically a Sessions Band.

The first part of the tour is basically a rehearsal.

That's what the folks are paying to see.

A poster comments:

Sounds like you're whining.

However, I can see where you're coming from in terms of the awful sound and screw ups in transitions, etc.

There's no excuse for awful sound (and in previous tours), it's night after night of sub-par sound. Bruce should take more care in providing great sound. I can understand poor sound once in a while but poor sound has been a problem since the Reunion tour.

Can anyone with experience in sound shed some light on Bruce's problem? Does he use mediocre sound equipment?

Rehearsals are supposed to be the time to eliminate the screw ups and smooth out the transitions, etc. Sometimes I think Bruce uses the first two months of a tour as rehearsals. Could part of the problem stem from the fact that the band isn't recording as a band anymore?

I went to an early Tunnel show, and I remember it being pretty tight.

10-05-2007, 11:09 PM
A poster wonders why Springsteen closes the show with a non E Street Band song; American Land.

Actually, all of the songs that are performed by the E Street Band and Springsteen are Springsteen songs.

He is a solo artist and the E Street Band is a sessions band.

They don't write the songs or the music and Springsteen doesn't write the music either.

As far as Springsteen writing the songs, well, that's up for speculation.

Anyway, American Land is not a Springsteen song; however, he uses it as a closer this tour, I suppose, because he thinks he's a politician and is saving America from the satanic cult of which he is a part.

He wants to appear as if he is the pulse of the American people; as if he represents the citizens of this country.

Springsteen comments at the show tonight:

"Let your views be heard, and let freedom ring" and launched into AMERICAN LAND.

What does he think he is accomplishing?

Let your views be heard?

He knows the people don't have any power.

What a hypocrite!

10-05-2007, 11:13 PM
Nice line from the song MAGIC:

"I've also got a shiny saw blade... all I need's a volunteer"

Oh, I get it.

He's going to pretend to cut somebody in half.

10-05-2007, 11:40 PM
Springsteen told the crowd at the Wachovia Center tonight that if they wanted the Phillies to win, they had to sing a lot louder.

He can make the Phillies win just by instructing the fans to sing louder!


The man has such power.

10-05-2007, 11:57 PM
A poster comments:

And then it hit me what is missing from this show, which was pretty close to the Hartford show based on the set list. There is no "hope" in this show. In the past, Bruce has been able to take difficult subject matter yet still leave us all feeling better at the end of the night than we felt at the start of the show.


What difficult subject matter has Springsteen been able to tackle?

The Tunnel of Love tour about his affair with Scialfa?


That's difficult subject matter alright.

The Rising CD tour and songs which had very little to do with 911?


Real difficult.

Only Springsteen was capable of writing obscure songs about 911 and tackling that horrendous subject matter.

Or, the subject matter of this tour for his MAGIC CD which has been promoted as political but isn't?

That difficult subject matter?

Wiretapping, etc.?

Oh, yes. So difficult.

The MAGIC songs aren't good, so he's basically playing an "oldies" tour with obscure songs like "Candy's Room" and "Thundercrack."

Songs that most people don't know or have never heard other than the fanatics and, quite frankly, are just bizarre.

Is Candy a hooker?

Dead songs!

And, songs from 30 years ago because what's in his songbook since that time never really appealed to many.

Such as "Waitin' on a Sunny Day or Lonesome Day or The Rising.

So, that's why you're frustrated. You realize his songbook isn't what you thought it was.

Oh, yes.

The difficult subject matter that Springsteen tackles during his tours.


10-06-2007, 12:01 AM
A poster replies to the disgruntled poster:

Maybe, just maybe, Bruce is feeling "hopeLESS" about the direction his country is taking....just a thought.


Don't you love this?

HIS country!!!

10-06-2007, 12:06 AM
How strange.

Springsteen replaces his duet with Scialfa of "A Town Called Heartbreak" with "Brilliant Disguise," which, apparently is about his ex-wife.

I know Scialfa and Springsteen performed a duet of Brilliant Disguise on Storytellers.

How bizaree is that?

Husband and wife performing a duet about husband's ex-wife.

10-06-2007, 08:27 AM
As Movielady said, I am just so hoping that tonight Springsteen and Scialfa perform a duet of "A Town Called Heartbreak" and that the performance is taped, and later released on a DVD because I desperately want to see the interplay between them.

10-06-2007, 08:31 AM
A poster wonders what other posters do regarding politics because she/he knows that the fanatics expect alot from Springsteen, but what do you do?


Oh, I forgot.

His fans think that he's a musical politician and has the power to change the direction of our country.

Remember, as one poster said, maybe his performance isn't so good because he's frustrated about the direction of HIS country.

Not my country or your county, but HIS country.

10-06-2007, 08:34 AM
One poster wonders why such boring songs in the setlist such as Darlington County and My Hometown.

I reckon that the MAN doesn't have alot of songs in his catalog to draw from any longer unless he wants to continue singing about "little girls" and hookers.

10-06-2007, 08:40 AM
Come on, pal.

Do you really believe what you wrote:

This was a "MAGICALLY" themed rock & roll show. Bruce has delivered 100% on his goal to showcase the power of rock & roll. We long ago learned that rock & roll can save your soul.


WE learned long ago that rock 'n' roll can save your soul??

Oh, yes.


Or, it can rob your soul.

Have you looked for it lately?

10-06-2007, 08:44 AM
One poster comments wondering if Springsteen's daughter sang back-up on one of the songs on the Magic CD:

By the sound of that other song the kids sang on, from D & D, the daughter seemed to have a very lovely and strong voice.

And yes, this is a very political album. One more reason to love it...


You're wrong.

The album is apolitical.

What song on the Devils and Dust CD did his kids sing on?


10-06-2007, 09:23 AM

Such desperation over at BTX to "brainwash" the children into believing that MAGIC is a good album that a first time poster provides links to all reviews.

Many are probably from internet sources.

There are hundreds of those.

Mixed reviews at best.

Many LIES included.

These critics work for the music industry. Many of them have no choice but to write a good review so the album sells!!!

Or, they drank the Springsteen "kool-aid."

I wonder if the poster included the very "negative" reviews from this thread?

10-06-2007, 07:00 PM
Wall Street Journal article on Springsteen.

The writer has been following Springsteen for 30 years and wants to initiate his young son and subject him to the sexual deviant.


10-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Yes, it's just delightful that Springsteen and Company have vamped up his INTERNET PRESENCE.

What the hell does that mean?

Will he now be known to the fans as the "Big Brother" of the Internet?

10-06-2007, 07:35 PM
A friend of a "fanatics" joined him for a Springsteen show.

His friend turned to him after the show and said, "I had no idea."

No idea how good he was.

So, this poster now believes his friend is hooked because he asked when he is coming back.

He thinks everyone should bring a "newbie."

Why would you want to be hooked on a musician?

Another poster comments:

Baptized with the rock 'n' roll of Springsteen.


10-06-2007, 07:37 PM
A poster asks why the BTXers act as if Springsteen has performed a miracle when he plays INCIDENT.

He rarely does.

This keeps them going to every show hoping he will.

Quite frankly, I don't get it either or the song.

10-07-2007, 04:23 PM
Please be advised that Bruce Springsteen will be appearing on 60 minutes tonight in response to the FIRE he has been under of recent days due to his "public service announcements."

Inasmuch as I will not be viewing this program, I kindly request that, if this interview contains any "earth shattering" or "history making" comments that will change the current course of America's corrosion by the "Destroyers," it be brought to my immediate attention via this thread by any and all interested parties.

Thanking you in advance,
I remain,
In Peace,

10-07-2007, 05:22 PM
Now, why do posters at BTX say idiotic things such as the following:

i dont care if im listening through a crack in the door, his shows are amazing and its a privilage just to hear the man play!! roll on Belfast!! having said that, its only a concert, there are more important things in life!!

It's really not a privilege. A privilege is something that is extended to the very few. It's merely your choice.

Or, this:

i hate when people generalize
one of my biggest pet peeves

while i agree that there are many like that, there are also a TON of us that appreciate the sheer fact that we have been blessed with bruce's music in our lives

There are many Springsteen fanatics who feel that the altered state of consciousness they derive from their GURU, Springsteen, is some sort of blessing that the rest of us have not had the good fortune of experiencing.

This, the process of mind control.

Being under the assumption that your leader has some power, some insight, some knowledge that the rest of the world is unaware of, when, in reality, your leader, your GURU, Springsteen, doesn't have power over anyone or anything except for his FOLLOWERS.

You are unable to recognize this because your "reality" has been altered. Your perception has been skewed. You live in a trance-state. One that Springsteen has created for you. A dream-world, a fairy-tale world and yes, as displayed by your postings, a child-like state.

You have not been blessed.

You have been cursed.

10-07-2007, 06:20 PM
Actually, I wouldn't think that Springsteen is on the last segment of 60 minutes because he's the man, the main attraction and they think the audience will stay tuned for the entire program just to catch him.

There's that little piece of technology we refer to as a "remote control."

Tune in, tune out; at your leisure!

The last segment is usually of very little significance or importance.

If it weren't, it would be the headliner.

The only people in this country who care what Springsteen has to say are his fanatics.

Otherwise, his voice is cast upon deaf ears as, rightly so, it should be!

The man is a LIAR, unimportant and of no significance!