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jane doe
02-08-2010, 06:34 PM
worth repeating. lovely, Blue.

Oh, Joe,

You in my arms
me in your embrace
telling you everything
and you standing in one place

Crying and sobbing about what they did
you picking me up and helping me to live

showing me sunshine when I saw nothing but rain
showing me hope when I felt nothing put pain

picking me up when I couldn't walk
making me speak when I couldn't talk

you were my light
when I could only see
the torture in a cell

of a small body that was once me

derpived and degraded
starved and curled up

cold and lying naked
unable to sip from a cup

weak and dying
without any strength

a shell of myself in a dark and rank place

memories of my childhood
abuse I cannot explain

tortured, experimented on and a life full of pain

but, there you were
you showed me love
you helped me to rise to rise above

you gave me everything
that I never thought I would have

a life beyond them
a life full of US
a marriage, three children
and most of all trust

I love you, Joe.

Yours truly,
BlueAngel

Truthbetold
02-09-2010, 04:15 AM
One more comment.

Since the inception of CC, there exists on this forum a very large population of members whose only agenda on this site is to post disinformation; cause interference; harrass and attempt to trigger/alter me and/or or expect me to agree with every ridiculous conspiracy they post in an effort to discredit me.

I will say it again.

I cannot be discredited.

The evidence speaks for itself.

People who supposedly were helping me in the past when a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and in the not so distant past when on Springsteen's site turned out to be perpetrators, so, yes, I am aggressive.

It saved my life from the CULT when I was a child and assisted me in maintaining my psychological, mental, and emotional state of mind when I feel back into Springsteen's hands and the other mind controllers on his site and to avert the PSYCHOTIC BREAK the perpetrators so desire, but will never attain.

Being agressive has also helped me to keep control of my own mind.

Past and present.

So, yes, I am aggressive and I consider it an asset.

And you have every right to be, The wrongly quoted message of Prunerman seemed a bit odd I know.

And yes, I'm worried the video is a new way to brainwash the Monarchslaves still under control.
I recently read this page

WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm)

and the video seemed just a little to bit to much like a script written after everything explained there.

jane doe
02-09-2010, 05:11 AM
BlueAngel, I hope your experience is over with the Springsteen site. Going back to an abusive relationship is unhealthy. Rereading your poem and learniing about your internet abuse..isn't that too much power you give your husband over yourself?

Lovie
02-09-2010, 08:28 PM
what do you mean by handler ?
Is it common for handlers and mind control victims not to know each other?

Okay after doing some research on MC..the stories that these people tell seem a bit unbelievable.
Im sorry for saying you were a vicious bitch BA.
I just don't know, part of me wants to believe its true and part of me wants to believe it's not true.

Lovie
02-13-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm going to explain this one last time.

A HANDLER/CONTROLLER of a mind control victim is able to alter the state of mind of their SLAVE through the use of codes, keys, commands/triggers, etc.

Through the use of these codes, keys, commands/triggers, etc., the handler/controller is able to access all five levels of programming of their SLAVE; therefore affecting the state of mind of their victim psychologically, emotionally and mentally.

In this way, the HANDLER is also able to retrieve alters that are used for various purposes; illegal and otherwise.

In this respect, an unhealthy, abusive interaction exists between SLAVE and OWNER(s) and HANDLER/CONTROLLER(s), because POWER and CONTROL belongs to the HANDLER(s) as the victim is void of free will.

Hence, the words MIND CONTROL.

Thanks for clearing that up.
I was reading from a website here Mind Control-The Ultimate Terror (http://www.educate-yourself.org/mc/)
about how the cell phone towers aren't really towers. but rather mind control towers.
how do we protect ourselves from mind control?

upagainstit
02-17-2010, 11:09 AM
Read to page 49 so far of your thread.
Where I'm making this comment from.

Always thought the way the lyrics of songs were written,
had to do with the "audience" the music world was catering to.

What you go on about in your thread, puts it in a different light.
The light you put it in, is quite "believable".
Never noticed of my own and no doubt never would have.

You mention that these "popular stars" are from having been
in the same boat as yourself and others.

In general you appear to understand thier plight.

It's obvious, however, that you are singling one out in particular.
You have no place in your understanding for this person, unlike the others.

You say it's because of how you see him in particular, in relation to you.

These others would also be seen in relation, in particular, to other victims.
Yet you "vent" yourself at this one person, and "somewhat side" with
these others, like you see thier plight in what has gone on.

You seem to be immersed in yourself with this one person in particular
from appears to be "altering" states of mind.
Obviously you want to hang on to your thoughts in such direction.

So far, in particular, I'm saying: you are fixated on this one person,
from your victimised stance, not having this same view of the others,
even though there would be someone else there that was victimised.
(seeing them, as yourself, as all in the same boat)

upagainstit
02-17-2010, 05:01 PM
At the end of page 74 in this thread now.

You mention periodically that you are "remembering" your past,
to do with what has gone on with you.

I'm wondering, because of your past not known to you, prior to later on:
if your day to day life was full of blackouts OR
did you have false memories, of life as you knew it,
to take the place of your hidden memories
of what was going on with you?

jane doe
02-17-2010, 05:18 PM
At the end of page 74 in this thread now.

You mention periodically that you are "remembering" your past,
to do with what has gone on with you.



past lives??

upagainstit
02-17-2010, 05:53 PM
past lives??

The past lives that you are questioning
would be the years gone by
from earlier years of late
that BA is now remembering.

upagainstit
02-18-2010, 12:45 AM
Who would be the someone else there that you say was victimized?

Sorry, been busy making my way through this thread.
Didn't overlook your question though.

Thought it would be evident in the first post I made here.
Was thinking you would re-read it, 'till you would know.

The others that it refers to would be, who-ever else was a victim.
Meaning, is not taken that you were the only one,
that "fell" into their hands and were victimised by them.

Was expecting you to realize it in the post after you asked.
Sorry.
on page 103 now

upagainstit
02-18-2010, 01:01 AM
As I said:

I have made it very clear in this thread what happened to me when I was a child and a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used in the music industry as a sex slave and for other criminal activities all courtesy of the CIA.

I don't need anyone, specifically, Jane Doe, a self-pronounced psychic, suggesting that she or anyone else has an alternative theory as to what occurred in my young life and I don't need YOU and Jane Doe engaging in conversation amongst one another on this thread as to what you believe I experienced.

I know what happened to me.

If you don't have anything of value to add to this thread regarding mind control, I suggest that you refrain from posting on it.

Thanking you in advance for your cooperation,
BA

You sound like Jane Doe has already made an impression on you. I don't know her any.

Jane Doe directed the question to me. So, I answered it.

You obviously are "out of my league" with your forum presence. I am well behind one of your stature.

However, when one poster directs a question to another poster, no matter whos' thread it's in, they converse.

You could very well be out of place
responding to Jane Doe's post.

upagainstit
02-18-2010, 04:46 AM
This ? was yours not mine. Could be my post wasn't outright clear AND
I possibly didn't read your ? quite right:

BA asked "who is the someone else"?
Someone else = victim/victims (not known by name)
of these other handlers/controllers.
(your question not mine)

Someone else also = "each" of the victims, not "all" lumped together.

I asked about blackouts because:
while you were at the mercy of the handlers/controllers
"the amount of time" that was taken up during your ordeal
would have to be taken out from ---- your day to day life.

Was wondering if there were periods of "missing time",
as you proceeded with your life.
(because of your recalling it having happened, seemingly later in life)


BA: Jane Doe hasn't made an impression on me or anyone else.
Well, maybe you.

You appear to be picking at words here AND insinuating.

BA: Unless you have something pertinent to add to the topic of
mind control, kindly refrain from engaging in useless chatter with
Jane Doe or anyone else on this thread or any thread on this forum.

Have encountered your posts all over this forum and you, notice-ably,
do not follow your own advice.
It must have been "useless" chatter, only, in your eyes AND we have
nothing going on between us.

BA: What happened to me....and I'm not in need of any anonymous
posters....asserting they know better than myself.

Never asserted that I know better than you about your experiences.
Posts are subject to the interpreter. Not your "absolute" perogative.

BA: My response to Jane Does' post was not out of place.
You, however, are out of place for insinuating such.

Seemed like forum etiquette to me.



Please refrain from picking posts' apart TO twist around.
No "need" for us to debate this statement.


I am trying to comprehend your experience that you are "pain-stakingly"
being informative about to others.

Thanks for bringing - What happened to you - Out in the open.
I find it to be an "eye-opener".

You started this thread BUT readers of it, will post in it.
Not "outright subject" to your interpretation of these posts.
There ARE lots of posts in threads that appear to be needless.
(mostly we grin and bare it, some liven things up though)

No doubt, upagainstit and Jane Doe, felt their post was uncalled for.
You, BlueAngel, however: your remarks were not in line.
Obviously, not ALL of BlueAngels' remarks, were out of line,
BUT the ones that were, were noticeable.

You will find my contribution to this forum,
in the story of my life, that I tell:
Social Oppression (http://upagainstit-s-o.blogspot.com/)
it's also in the "introduction" section.
Thread is called: Life As I Know It.
Suggestion: go from first to last entry when you get to the blog.

BlueAngels' life experience and mine are not the same.
However, we both found out later, that something was going on with us.
I became aware of "WHAT'S" going on from 1983 to the present.

Warning: BlueAngel writes "a lot" better than I do.

jane doe
02-18-2010, 10:55 AM
BA: Unless you have something pertinent to add to the topic of
mind control, kindly refrain from engaging in useless chatter with
Jane Doe or anyone else on this thread or any thread on this forum.

Expressing, indeed.

upagainstit
02-20-2010, 02:43 AM
Made it through this thread
from the start of it.
Just finished.

Will be back with my review.

upagainstit
02-20-2010, 03:48 AM
IN RETROSPECT:

Almost 500 pages to this thread.

Sped my way through from page 170 and on.

Up until page 170, read each post.

Looking back, reading up to page 100
will give you the "gist" of
BlueAngels' experience.

Pages 100 on to the end almost
is mostly ranting and raving in
quantity and lacks more quality.

Around page 470 the topic of this thread
appears to be gotten away from
even by BlueAngel her/his self.


Warning:

Pages in the 130 to 140 range:
posters mention pictures here
BlueAngel somewhat "jumps" in
saying the matter will be taken care of.
Not once but twice, the pictures are still there.
The second set of pictures,
is probably the ones they are referring to.
However, the first set - shown twice,
one other time earlier than this,
seem to have no basis to be there.

I suspect BlueAngel has more than, one username.

Posts by BlueAngel between 140 to 170:
seem to be on somekind of "tyrade".
I was "alarmed" at that time.
However: fears appear to be unfounded.

Posts around 340 maybe a little earlier and on:
there is increased interaction between
members of this forum and BlueAngel.

Prior to then this thread is heavy on
BlueAngels', something like "documentary".

BlueAngel appears to be tiring of the thread
around December 2008 to January 2009.
From Jan 2009 to today the time
taken up by the thread, speeds up.


OPINION TIME:

BlueAngel states the time of this ordeal,
experience by her/him, started
shortly after the 9/11 of 2001.
When the incident of the
World Trade Center twin towers occurred.

That would date the remembrance of things
by BlueAngel around 2002.

Nearest I could figure BlueAngel was born
around 1956 in June.
The memories start to unfold around 2002.
(maybe a month or two before)

Apparently the 9/11 of 2001 incident,
triggered something in BlueAngel,
real or imagined(?).

Prior to 2002, BlueAngel, seems
to have frequented "rock concerts"
of her "pet peeve".

However: BlueAngel states in the thread,
that the idea, that unfolds here in the thread,
was taken to - more "media" attention means.
The "medias" approached, did not accept.

BlueAngels' life apart from this forum that
is retold "of", by her/him,
ends up - lacking credibility.

The way BlueAngel handles this ordeal,
is "reminiscent" of the way
"psychics" are portrayed on TV and in movies.

Speaking from my own experience, which started in 1983,
such "over-whelmed" by emotionally set back,
when these "memories" are replayed in oneself,
subsides later on: so "continually" taken with
these "experiences" after a while,
no longer "exist" in such way.
In my own case it would go Aug to Oct of 1983
to the early 1990's. Not endlessly on still,
even though this still goes on with me, to this date.

BlueAngel states in this thread, that
what is relayed here to us
was an "idea" that was taken to
more "revealing" far and wide, media.
Seemingly before the memories started around 2002.

Something that was seen by BlueAngel
in the lyrics of songs, that
BlueAngel could go on about.

BlueAngel has gone on and on.....
about it, in this thread.

Lots of quantity, short on "quality".

However, BlueAngels' demeanor, needs to be adrressed.

BlueAngel appears to have "gaslighter", tendencies.
Probably doesn't go to the "possessing" extent.
BlueAngel "wants" to have it on you, in such way, though.

There were some posters that BlueAngel couldn't handle.
Appears to be because, BlueAngel,
couldn't "see" the poster, from his/her post.
The only reason I can see for BlueAngel
being "visibly" upset, by Leonardo.

OVERALL:
BlueAngel, "spun"; a good "yarn".
What was written about, is quite believable.

BlueAngels' experience in life,
past and present,
lacks credibility
directly applicable to BlueAngel.

jane doe
02-20-2010, 05:04 PM
edited :)

Lovie
02-20-2010, 11:16 PM
I think springsteen sucks..I think I may have liked 2 of his songs MAYBE.. If I had a handler, It must be Jeff Lynne..but, I'd probably enjoy that

upagainstit
02-23-2010, 05:30 AM
Firstly, your opinion regarding my victimization in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and what I've written in this thread about it doesn't matter and I have no clue why you think that it would.

Secondly, I am the MODERATOR of this forum and I suggest that you refrain from rendering yet another lame opinion that you suspect I have more than one username or you will no longer have a username on this forum.

Thirdly, your life experience and my life experience have nothing in common.

Not "subject" to your approval BlueAngel.
Another persons' comment is another persons' comment.

Not dependant on a "pat on the head" from you.

A lot of your remarks to people are blatantly off.

Think your comments through in the future BlueAngel.
Off the cuff - doesn't suffice between the ears.

Is no secret you are - clout happy.
Abusive of your "super moderator" status under your username.

Concentrate BlueAngel - you are not a guiding light to me.

jane doe
02-23-2010, 09:22 AM
Kindly leave this forum of your own free will or I'll show you the door.

I apologize for posting on your thread, but I don't have a personal message option. Can you explain why? I've never attacked you, criticized you or broken any forum rules. I'll even edit this post if you like. :)

upagainstit
02-23-2010, 09:41 AM
I apologize for posting on your thread, but I don't have a personal message option. Can you explain why? I've never attacked you, criticized you or broken any forum rules. I'll even edit this post if you like. :)

BlueAngel is just trying to be intimidative.
For the most part BlueAngel can be ignored.

jane doe
02-23-2010, 09:48 AM
Posts such as the following are not welcome on this forum.

Originally Posted by jane doe http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f22/mind-control-music-industry-4429-post65231.html#post65231)
Lost is a post by the Angel in Blue.
lost is the post from the map's interpretation.
Found is the mental zoo.
found is the mental masturbation of you.

So, is it the poetry, or the lack of rhyme, the use of your name, the use of words...please, in order for me to modify my behavior, I need to know specifics to do so. My brain lacks external-control, thus you have to be very specific to have control over me.

dayof...
03-03-2010, 05:27 PM
Who would have known, that these things go on in the world.
What lays ahead?

dayof...
03-04-2010, 04:25 PM
BlueAngel is blind and full of rage.

BlueAngel is the only one that ticks.

BlueAngel will discount statements of others.

BlueAngels' discounting statements of others is
meaningless.

BlueAngel doesn't debunk.

BlueAngel simply closes up and ignores anything but BlueAngel.

Hold yourself BlueAngel, hold yourself.

oneview
03-12-2010, 04:45 PM
Earlier on when I was reading this thread:

there was a post, wanting to know
about a song, to do with "carousel", in it.

Couldn't remember the title at that time.

Have now remembered it:
called - For Whom The Bell Tolls
group - Bee Gees

jane doe
03-13-2010, 07:13 AM
Have now remembered it:
called - For Whom The Bell Tolls
group - Bee Gees
That song reflects the ripping of my heart, as well..now I'm crying.effin' mourning my own death.

Lovie
03-13-2010, 07:44 AM
that song doesn't have carousel in it..
and its about lost love not death..

oneview
03-13-2010, 07:54 AM
that song doesn't have carousel in it..
and its about lost love not death..

My mistake:

Saved by the Bell
Bee Gees

Correct title instead.

FallaciesAbound
04-26-2010, 01:01 AM
She hardly "disappeared", but her status as a C list actress has gotten her a few gigs, and she has been modeling.

And celebrities, because of the nature of their business, are often granted non-disclosure agreements about sensitive details of a divorce. Not sure if thats what happened in this case, but I bet its a mis-representation to call it a "gag order".

FallaciesAbound
04-26-2010, 03:10 PM
I suppose, but I like to be precise. Too many years flying ILS approaches I guess. So what has Springsteen supposedly done to you exactly? The thread is kind of disjointed.

FallaciesAbound
04-26-2010, 09:58 PM
not really. saw something about him being your handler, and something about EM waves, which can effect people under the right circumstances, but cant figure out Bruce's roll in the whole thing.

FallaciesAbound
04-27-2010, 08:00 AM
Oh well, I'm not going to dig though 400 pages of silliness to try to figure out why someone thinks a musician is out to get them. Especially one as crappy as Bruce Springsteen. Give me Iggy Pop or Social Distortion any day lol.

The Poet
04-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Oh well, I'm not going to dig though 400 pages of silliness to try to figure out why someone thinks a musician is out to get them. Especially one as crappy as Bruce Springsteen. Give me Iggy Pop or Social Distortion any day lol.


YouTube - GENERAL HOSPITAL two women in straitjackets

YouTube - GENERAL HOSPITAL Jane Elliot in straitjacket

YouTube - "All Women Are Bad" -- The Straightjacket

YouTube - Lobotomy - PBS documentary, on Walter Freeman

superted
04-30-2010, 09:35 AM
FallaciesAbound - in the first page blueangel states she was a sex slave for old brucey. I read onto page two but yea it gets a little weird so I stopped. All a little odd to say the least.

FallaciesAbound
05-01-2010, 09:09 AM
So, how is it that you know EM waves can effect people under the right circumstances?

If you can't figure out your friend, Bruce's role in the whole thing, I suggest you ask him since you're on a first name basis.

Well, if you stick someone in a microwave, they will cook, so its pretty obvious that radiations could have SOME effect. Whether or not you can do mind control or even harass someone with them is another story.

And im sure lots of women were his sex slaves....they are called groupies or band aids lol

The Poet
05-03-2010, 01:20 PM
So, how is it that you know EM waves can effect people under the right circumstances?

If you can't figure out your friend, Bruce's role in the whole thing, I suggest you ask him since you're on a first name basis.


For BlueAngel:

YouTube - Black Sabbath "Paranoid" Music Video


Finished with my woman
'Cause she couldn't help me with my mind
People think I'm insane
Because I am frowning all the time

All day long I think of things
But nothing seems to satisfy
Think I'll lose my mind
If I don't find something to pacify

Can you help me occupy my brain?
Oh yeah!

I need someone to show me
The things in life that I can't find
I can't see the things that make true happiness
I must be blind

Make a joke and I will sigh
And you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel
And love to me is so unreal

And so as you hear these words
Telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life
I wish I could but it's too late

YouTube - Cypress Hill - Insane In The Brain

Lyrics to Insane In The Brain :
Who you tryin to get crazy with ese?
Don't you know I'm loco?


To da one on da flamboyant tip
I'll just toss that ham in the fryin pan
like spam, get done when I come and slam
Damn, I feel like the Son of Sam
Don't make me wreck shit, hectic
Next get the chair got me goin like General Electric
Annnd, the lights are blinkin I'm thinkin
It's all over when I go out drinkin
Ohh, makin my mind slow
That's why I don't fuck with the big four-oh
Bro, I got ta' maintain
Cause a nigga like me is [B]goin insane

[Chorus]
Insane in da membrane.. insane in da brain!
Insane in da membrane.. insane in da brain!
Insane in da membrane.. crazy insane, got no brain!
Insane in da membrane.. insane in da brain!

[Sen Dog]
Do my shit undercover now it's time for the blubba
blabber, to watch that belly get fatter
Fat boy on a diet, don't try it
I'll jack yo' ass like a looter in a riot
My shit's fat, like a sumo, slammin dat ass
Leavin yo' face in the grass
Cause you know, I don't take a duro, lightly
Punks just jealous cause they can't outwrite me
or kick that style, wicked, wild
Happy face nigga never seen me smile
Rip dat main=frame, I'll explain
A nigga like me is goin insane

[Chorus]


YouTube - Slayer - Criminally Insane (studio version)


Night will come and I will follow
For my victims, no tomorrow
Make it fast, your time of sorrow
On his trail, I'll make you follow

Quarters for the criminally insane
The sentence read for life I must remain
The path I chose has led me to my grave
To try again I'd have no other way

Quarters for the criminally insane
Escape for me has fast become a game
Soon to be, I'll leave without a trace
Endangered species end the human race

(lead: hanneman, king)

Branded in pain
Marked criminally insane
Locked away and kept restrained
Disapprobation, but what have I done
I have yet only just begun
To take your fuckin' lives!

[night will come and I will follow
For my victims, no tomorrow
Make it fast, your time of sorrow
On his trail, I'll make you follow]
More lyrics: Slayer lyrics (http://www.lyricsty.com/lyrics/s/slayer/#share)


{*DJ Muggs cuts and scratches*}

[B-Real]
Like Louie Armstrong, played the trumpet
I'll hit that bong and break ya off somethin soon
I got ta get my props
Cops, come and try to snatch my crops
These pigs wanna blow my house down
Head underground, to the next town
They get mad when they come to raid my pad
and I'm out in the nine-deuce Cad
Yes I'm the pirate, pilot
of this ship if I get with the ultraviolet dream
Hide from the red light beam
Now do you believe in the unseen?
Look, but don't make you eyes strain
A nigga like me is goin insane

[Chorus]

The Poet
05-07-2010, 10:52 AM
Sorry, pal, but your ascertain that I'm insane couldn't be any farther from the truth, but, I suspect you might be insane based upon your posts on this thread and elsewhere on the forum.

Do you seriously think that because you repeat over and over again that you believe I'm insane, makes it so?


Of course not. I base my assertion on the fact that your obsessed with Bruce Springsteen and that you obviously believe that he did something to you. When your story is examined, it is clear that is based on delusions and serious distortions in thought. Ergo, you are a person suffering from some sort of mental illness. Why? Because Bruce Springsteen is simply a musician. Yes, I am sure he has many groupies, but I doubt he has ever had sex slaves. You have never offered any proof to back that assertion. My conclusion is that you have NO proof. Thus, I have more reason to believe you are mentally ill then a liar.

Just so you know, it doesn't.

Only a PIG would respond on this thread as you have, but you're not the first PIG to do so.

Here again we see the typical response of a person suffering from a delusion. I would expect you to respondin this way, since in your deluded state you HONESTLY believe this. Do I believe you were molested in the past? Yes, I could totally believe that. Do I believe you may have been mistreated, perhaps raped by some animal in the past? Absolutely I would be open to believe that. I simply believe that in your chemically imbalanced brain, you have distorted the truth and now have focesed it all on Bruce Springsteen. Sad, but true.
Do I believe oyu have issues? Absolutely. But your issues isn;t with Bruce Springsteen. Is it possible you slept with Bruce Springsteen as a groupie, and now in your deluded state you believe something more nefarious happened? Absolutely. But unless you can offer some evidence to back your extraordinary claim, it is more logical to believe you are a person suffering from some form of mental illness needing treatement then your story.
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence to support them. Either offer such evidence or accept that any rational, lucid and non-mentally ill person will not accept your ludicrous statements. It's just that simple.
Ad hominem attacks do not do anything to support your claims, either.

Gee, I wonder why PIGS like you even bother.

Yeah, it's a mystery.

Those who abused me are crazy and you, my friend, appear to be in their league.
Yes, those who abuse were crazy..and evil. But they were NOT Bruce Springsteen or the government. I assume that the trauma of the abuse has unhinged your mind and made you delusional. I certainly hope you receive intensive counseling so that you may overcome the abuse amd be returned to mental health.
Abuse is a terrible thing, and I am sure the individuals who did it to you are evil individuals. But again, extaordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence to prove they are true. I find it easier to believe oyu were molested by family members or people you knew, and that the trauma has unhinged your mind then that some nefarious government agency btrainwashed you or that you were Bruce Springsteens sex slave.
May I suggest that you work with a therapist and deal with the REAL issues? I believe you are obsessed with Bruce Springsteen because you are trying to hide the truth from yourself. Statistics would indicate that either a family member or some one you knew abused you, more then likely. Perhaps once you deal with your issues with a professional you may be able to return to reality. I don't really know.

Ain't my fault crazy people did crazy things to me.

True. Evil people do evil things. It isn't even your fault that, in your deluded state, you blame Bruce Springsteen. However, you have the choice whether to embrace your sickness or receive proffessional help. If you choose not to, that IS your fault.

So, whose the crazy one now?

You are. Any sane, rational person will disbelieve you and instantly recognize that you are a sick, mentally ill woman. ANYONE. The only one who belives what you say is you. Everyone else recognizes your story as a delusion.
Are you insane? It is hard to say. I believe you have been so abused by others you are borderline. I can hope that with medicine and therapy you can become rational and sane again though.

The Poet
05-07-2010, 11:00 AM
FallaciesAbound - in the first page blueangel states she was a sex slave for old brucey. I read onto page two but yea it gets a little weird so I stopped. All a little odd to say the least.

Yes, Blue Angel is mentally ill. Please do not support her in her delusions. You see, IMHO, she was abused but in her deluded state believes it had something to do with Bruce Springsteen.
Like most mentally ill people with a fixed delusion, she is quite rational when discussing other things. However, she does truly believe this. The best thing we can do is humor her and hope she receives the proper mefdication and therapy she needs to return to sanity.

The Poet
05-07-2010, 03:22 PM
You are delusional in that you believe your opinion about me is relevant.

Sorry, BlueAngel. I would say MOST people who heard this story you tell would conclude that you suffer from some kind of disorder.
As for my opinion being relevant, I really don't care if YOU believe it is or not. I would be suprised if you did. Most delusional people get angry when some disagrees with their delusion or points out how nonsensical it is. So I am not suprised at all that you feel this way.
I certainly hope some day a mental health proffessional can help you. IMHO, you need it. Not because you are a danger to anyone or yourself, but because you obviously have deep issues you need to deal with.

FallaciesAbound
05-07-2010, 06:54 PM
My guess is that she will never seek help though, since any sort of therapeutic treatment would be percieved by her as further abuse. So she is doomed to keep this loop running in her head, but fortunately it seems to have not caused her too much damage. Yet.

BlueAngel
05-07-2010, 11:39 PM
Well, now I know.

Barbarien was COLD, The Devil, IGNT and THEM.

What a disgusting pig.

I thought there was a member by the name of The DEVIL, but I can't find him anywhere or, perhaps, it was that Barbarien, as COLD, signed his comments as THE Devil and that's what I'm remembering.

In either event, The Devil and COLD made some very disgusting comments about me.

If The Devil existed, most likely he was Barbarien, as well, or the comments I'm remembering were posted by COLD and signed as The Devil.

Unusual, isn't it?

People on this forum making disgusting comments about me.

FallaciesAbound
05-08-2010, 02:45 PM
What a most ridiculous comment.

FallaciesAbound says that she's DOOMED to keep this LOOP running in her head and that it hasn't caused too much damage, yet.

My guess is that FallaciesAbound's comment is full of suggestions that most definitely are full of fallacies that will not abound.

Wow, that was the most poorly formed sentence I've seen in a long time. Were you intentionally trying to be cryptic?:confused:

I am starting to seriously wonder about you though, since you are so absorbed with the conspiracy thing that now apparently that is all you can see. That includes thinking that posters are out to get you or calling people by other posters names.

BlueAngel
05-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Apparently, Barbarien, a member of this forum, also posted as Insider, Indred and Fugitive.

FallaciesAbound
05-09-2010, 11:24 PM
And you know this how? Are you tracking IP addresses with each posting, or is it just a hunch?

BlueAngel
05-10-2010, 06:18 PM
It appears that I've stumbled upon a cell at CC:

A search of member LaDomino's IP address reveals the following usernames:

789 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=39)
acca (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1294)
Agent_Orange (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=229)
Airborne1 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1240)
Akbar (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=66)
Alexandra (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=10)
Alithia (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1017)
bambam (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=339)
Barbara (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=592)
Barbarian (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1198)
beaburt (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=959)
Bendair (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=707)
Benoit (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1330)
blackstarr (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=916)
CamoGreen (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1090)
canadianguy (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1617)
Chemlin (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1776)
Chuckd (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1028)
Coldprincess (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1177)
crowneagle (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=290)
crystalclear (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=426)
diamond (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=73)
diogenes (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=130)
DoctorX (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=295)
Draken (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=24)
Draken (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=24)
filthyfear (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1652)
Finn (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=701)
Fraser (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=853)
Fugitive (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1368)
FugitiveEye (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=270)
FuMiCo (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1431)
G4bster (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1241)
George_Bush (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=751)
HothSnake (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=992)
illuminatiwa (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1762) ] (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=doips&u=1762&hash=a749df35957d138015864db31b0ca1c1)
jason_ou812 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=689)
JillyBean (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=61)
Johnny_Reb (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=109)
John_1335 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=786)
jonk (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=410)
Khopesh (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=718)
kidstrife (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1000)
Kinergy (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=93)
LaDominio (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=662)
Liberty (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=412)
Longshot36 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1072)
marypopinz (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=90)
MasonTemplar (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=388)
Max (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=112)
MikeB (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=670)
mikeenviro (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=530)
Mynda_Peace (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=430)
nakedsnake (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=405)
nathanblows (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1168)
neenafoof (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=798)
nohope187 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=84)
NOLizardo (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1463)
NWBeliever (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=517)
Nyarla (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=700)
O_VAUGHAN (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1210)
Parashuram (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=108)
phoenix (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=688)
qwertyuiop (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1381)
rangergord (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=17)
REBELBULL (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=579)
RedIce (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1451)
redrat11 (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=647)
Robski (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1480)
rushdoony (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=99)
salenko (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1495)
savagebovine (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=566)
ScoopMC (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=528)
SeC (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=776)
seemless (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1234)
Shadow (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1223)
starviego (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=158)
Steve (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=144)
StoneWT (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=241)
Styris (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1055)
Sucre (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1175)
Swoolfer (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1595)
TheMirror (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1485)
thokhanCep (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=100)
Trinity (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=588)
truebeliever (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=259)
truthlies (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1502)
universal (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1560)
Vlad (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=299)
wackooooo (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=930)
Wainy (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1021)
white_floe (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1345)
Wiking (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=702)
Yeoshua (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=262)
zenpho (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/user.php?do=viewuser&u=1233)
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Names of note in the above list:

Barbara
TrueBeliever
MaryPopinz
George_Bush
RedRatII
Nohope187
Rushdoony
Shadow
Fugitive
SEC

When I searched under RedRatII's IP address in the above list, George_Bush displayed as another username.

BlueAngel
05-10-2010, 06:24 PM
Jimbo was also:

Me9G7X5t1r2M

BlueAngel
05-10-2010, 06:57 PM
Mongoose a/k/a cuda.

BlueAngel
05-10-2010, 08:16 PM
What a tangled web they weave.

Seraching Frau_nothing's IP address brings about usernames:

Insider (Barbarien)

Torthithill

madcow

and, lo' and behold RedRatII appears, as well as Indred (Barbarien) and IGNT (Barbarien).

FallaciesAbound
05-10-2010, 09:42 PM
Cool that you can track that. I know the JREF and FES sites both had problems with the duplicate poster spam things. Too bad the programmers cant figure out how to eliminate that.

BlueAngel
05-10-2010, 09:47 PM
Cool that you can track that. I know the JREF and FES sites both had problems with the duplicate poster spam things. Too bad the programmers cant figure out how to eliminate that.

Yes, Eire/FallaciesAbound.

It's' real COOL that I can track that.

It's not too bad for you, though, because you are a duplicate poster.

:cool:

BlueAngel
05-11-2010, 09:04 PM
Nomad was CIA Insider, Born_to_Die and 666.

BlueAngel
05-17-2010, 07:09 PM
Thank you, GOD

for everything you've given me

and

everything you've taken away

for helping me when I couldn't find my way

for hearing me when I was on my knees and prayed

for the light you shined upon me

when I was in the dark

for opening my eyes

and giving me a loving heart

for walking by me every day

for blessing me with this beautiful life

for making me a mother, a friend

and

a loving wife

for giving me strength
and helping me to survive
when they tortured me
and tried to steal my life

for helping me rise up
when
they tried to shatter my soul

for allowing me
to
remain whole

for helping me to know right from wrong

for giving me hope
for keeping me strong

Thank you, GOD
for being there
in my young life
when I was terririfed and scared

AMEN!

jane doe
05-18-2010, 08:26 AM
What a great thread.

Lovie
05-19-2010, 10:00 PM
I wouldn't refer to this thread as great, because, you see what happened to me wasn't great.

And, what happened to every other child and adult who was a victim of a mind control program and/or experimented on wasn't great either.

It's a thread about my life as a young child incarcerated in the mind control program MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used in the music industry as a sex slave and for other CRIMINAL and inhumane purposes.

No more and no less, but it certainly ain't great.

what happened to you was not great...but this thread is.

Lovie
05-20-2010, 08:10 AM
Apparently, I frightened LOVIE away.

I would consider it a gain and not a loss.

Not really, I'm not frightened of someone posting words on a forum. I have other things to do than sit and wait for you to reply. So, if it takes a few hours to get back here and respond, don't assume that you have scared me off.

Sorry, TBT, you're right.

Seriously, LOVIE asks if I ever met Springsteen.

I clearly state that Springsteen was my main handler.

Duh?
well, that wasn't exactly clear. I thought maybe he did it by music alone. you kinda alluded to that being the case, via "springsteens website" Now which is it? did you meet him and have a relationship with him Or was this all done telepathically over the net?
If he was your main handler and abused you in person, why aren't you pressing charges instead of trying to paint me with the brush you try to paint everyone with?

Really?

This thread is great.

How could the fact that I was abused as a child in experimentation; used in "kiddie" pornography; in the music industry as a sex slave and for other criminal purposes be great?

You must have a screw lose in your head somewhere the same as Jane Doe who thinks this thread is great.

I don't expect anything of significance from you LOVIE, because, as I recall, you once called me a vicious b*tch.

But, go ahead, anyway.

Please.

Do tell the FORUM why you think this thread is great.

Well, if you look at it as if you are trying to get YOUR story told, could be great for you too.
FTR, I can be aggressive as you and equally as bitchy. If you think I care about getting banned from here you are wrong.
you don't have to read my posts, nor do I have to read yours, it's odd how you were so abused, yet that's what YOU do. accuse, abuse..banned. power trip..


you seem a little over the top rude to posters on this forum. No one can say ANYTHING that you dislike you accuse them of being psi ops. you don't have to be a bitch to get your story out, but you choose to be.

superted
05-20-2010, 11:26 AM
I just had an exam and it went quite well so I'm in a really good mood so this is post is not meant to annoy, simply illustrate.

"I don't abuse and I'm not on a power trip. "

Blue I have thought this and you disagree but then over last few weeks loads of other posters have agreed with me. Surely you must now that you do abuse your power and it does seem like your on a power trip. Who's right, you on your own (and your opinion is biased) or what 4/5 other posters on here?

superted
05-20-2010, 12:11 PM
"This is your second warning."
What is your problem?

Your last post totally vindicated my point. Why would I leave this forum because of you? Your not the reason I'm on this forum.

Lovie
05-23-2010, 11:38 AM
Obviously, you didn't get my point, which, was clear and concise so I have no idea why you didn't get my point.

I don't have a problem, but apparently you have a problem with me.

Since you are of the opinion that I am abusive and on a power trip and spend most of your time on this forum talking about my job performance as it relates to CC in every thread you possibly can, I would think you would want to leave.

This is your last warning.

One more post about my moderation of CC and you're gone.

P.S. My last post didn't vindicate anything that you said.

see you are on a power trip.. you do not read what other posters say EVER!

wow, just wow.

why is CC just about you?

superted
05-23-2010, 01:39 PM
I would say 'well said' Lovie but I would be banned.

jane doe
05-24-2010, 07:37 AM
The concept in this song, and others similiar, is structured to brainwash people into spirtual subservience to humans.

YouTube - Prince - I Would Die 4 U , Baby I 'm a Star + lyrics

BlueAngel
05-24-2010, 10:57 PM
I took a stand
and
I stood my ground
and
I am where I am
not
because of that man

I am ready
more ready
than I'll ever be
for everyone to know
the real me

so get the ball rolling
I'm strong and I'm able
no time like the present
cause I'm more than stable

call in the lawyers
and the ACLU
cause I've done my job
and that's your que

no one breaks me
past or present
cause I'm one of GOD's angel
and not aligned with the devil

so, call in the calvary
and get the ball rolling
it's time for this show
to start rock and rollin'

no one owns me
and
no one controls me
not then
not now
cause I'm completely free

I fought and I struggled
through torture and pain
to be where I am
and
I still remain

cause I took a stand
and
I stood my ground
and
I am where I am
not because of that man

I broke free
with the help of good men
so, yes indeed
it's time for MY calvary

GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Lovie
05-28-2010, 05:42 AM
what are they doing to you now?

FallaciesAbound
05-29-2010, 06:29 PM
The concept in this song, and others similiar, is structured to brainwash people into spirtual subservience to humans.

YouTube - Prince - I Would Die 4 U , Baby I 'm a Star + lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqGOtfPDH90)
Spoken like someone who has never gotten laid. lol. Its a song. Even if it was some grand scheme, it can only affect you if you let it.

Lovie
06-08-2010, 11:22 AM
These are my findings:

When you are a member of CC, you begin as a member and, according to your post count advance to junior member; senior member; and from what I recall, home away from home.

These words appear under your username.

So, why is it that the words "free member" appear under iHIMself's username?

And, why is it that under beentheredonethat's username the words "leap in/leap out" appear under his username?

And why do the words "The Master Mason" appear under KsigMason's username?

Just curious.

Anyone care to enlighten me because, obviosuly, Mizfish doesn't.

you can change it yourself if you want to. I changed mine no big conspiracy thee.

I just heard a springsteen song on xfm..I have to say I'm glad he was not my handler. his music sucks

BlueAngel
06-08-2010, 12:20 PM
The problem was solved.

As Super Moderator, the title function was not included in my user cp.

jane doe
08-02-2010, 10:06 AM
Advisors!

Did you win the lottery? :)

BlueAngel
08-05-2010, 01:15 AM
"You can't let what these evil people did to you make you afraid of life/everyone."

"Everyone is not evil."

"Yes, you're right."

"There are evil people in the world who are ugly and the people who did what they did to you are evil and ugly, but not everyone is evil and not everything in life is ugly."

"You have to embrace life and all the beauty that surrounds you."

"You will one day learn to trust another and you will, one day, find the meaning of true love."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have found the meaning of true love.

I have learned to trust that everyone is not evil.

I am not afraid of life and/or death.

I have seen the beauty of this earth.

I have embraced life.

EMBRACE LIFE

Embrace life
Embrace it all
Those you love
The moon and the stars
For we cannot know when one might fall

So, embrace life
Embrace it all

When you turn out the lights
And
Say good night
Never forget
Tomorrow’s light

We are bonded together
All of mankind
And, for this reason
We shall survive

We’ll weather this storm
And
We’ll weather another
Together as friends
Together as brothers

We’ll stick with each other through thick and thin
And, for this reason
We shall win

The evil, the corruption that surrounds us all
It will be gone when night falls

And

When we awake
to another day
And GOD’s light shows us the way
We’ll embrace each other
For what we are
Different together
Near and far

And, because of this
Mankind will not fall

I’ve shed tears that could create a lake
But, never, oh, never will they make me break
For I embrace life
And all that it is
Beauty, evil, corruption and sin
And, because of this, they will not win

Stay true to yourself
And what you believe
And not what they want you to perceive

Embrace life
Embrace it all
Those you love
The moon and stars
For you never know when one might fall

li'lears
08-07-2010, 02:56 PM
Hi BlueAngel:

To start with I don't care what you have to say about my post(s).

Simplified you are a "gaslighter". To make it simple.
("sociopath" would be more accurate)

Your thread on your life experience unknown to you is FICTIONAL.
It is simply "piped" through to your "little mind".

You take to it with your little mind because there is nothing in your life to you
Schizoid you know.

You have no problem chucking out your present life in favour of what you
relate here in your thread to see yourself as a somebody. Nevermind you
have a loving husband and offspring that you plug in favour of time and
time again.

Remember BlueAngel: I don't care what you have to say about anything.
SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

li'lears
08-07-2010, 02:57 PM
past lives??

You mention "past lives??" with a question mark, no doubt because you can't
see "reincarnation" set in present day surroundings. Which makes it not
a reincarnated event being recalled in "a" next life.

li'lears
08-07-2010, 04:40 PM
This ? was yours not mine. Could be my post wasn't outright clear AND
I possibly didn't read your ? quite right:

BA asked "who is the someone else"?
Someone else = victim/victims (not known by name)
of these other handlers/controllers.
(your question not mine)

Someone else also = "each" of the victims, not "all" lumped together.

I asked about blackouts because:
while you were at the mercy of the handlers/controllers
"the amount of time" that was taken up during your ordeal
would have to be taken out from ---- your day to day life.

Was wondering if there were periods of "missing time",
as you proceeded with your life.
(because of your recalling it having happened, seemingly later in life)


BA: Jane Doe hasn't made an impression on me or anyone else.
Well, maybe you.

You appear to be picking at words here AND insinuating.

BA: Unless you have something pertinent to add to the topic of
mind control, kindly refrain from engaging in useless chatter with
Jane Doe or anyone else on this thread or any thread on this forum.

Have encountered your posts all over this forum and you, notice-ably,
do not follow your own advice.
It must have been "useless" chatter, only, in your eyes AND we have
nothing going on between us.

BA: What happened to me....and I'm not in need of any anonymous
posters....asserting they know better than myself.

Never asserted that I know better than you about your experiences.
Posts are subject to the interpreter. Not your "absolute" perogative.

BA: My response to Jane Does' post was not out of place.
You, however, are out of place for insinuating such.

Seemed like forum etiquette to me.



Please refrain from picking posts' apart TO twist around.
No "need" for us to debate this statement.


I am trying to comprehend your experience that you are "pain-stakingly"
being informative about to others.

Thanks for bringing - What happened to you - Out in the open.
I find it to be an "eye-opener".

You started this thread BUT readers of it, will post in it.
Not "outright subject" to your interpretation of these posts.
There ARE lots of posts in threads that appear to be needless.
(mostly we grin and bare it, some liven things up though)

No doubt, upagainstit and Jane Doe, felt their post was uncalled for.
You, BlueAngel, however: your remarks were not in line.
Obviously, not ALL of BlueAngels' remarks, were out of line,
BUT the ones that were, were noticeable.

You will find my contribution to this forum,
in the story of my life, that I tell:
Social Oppression (http://upagainstit-s-o.blogspot.com/)
it's also in the "introduction" section.
Thread is called: Life As I Know It.
Suggestion: go from first to last entry when you get to the blog.

BlueAngels' life experience and mine are not the same.
However, we both found out later, that something was going on with us.
I became aware of "WHAT'S" going on from 1983 to the present.

Warning: BlueAngel writes "a lot" better than I do.

Tried to delete this post. wrong one

li'lears
08-07-2010, 04:52 PM
IN RETROSPECT:

Almost 500 pages to this thread.

Sped my way through from page 170 and on.

Up until page 170, read each post.

Looking back, reading up to page 100
will give you the "gist" of
BlueAngels' experience.

Pages 100 on to the end almost
is mostly ranting and raving in
quantity and lacks more quality.

Around page 470 the topic of this thread
appears to be gotten away from
even by BlueAngel her/his self.


Warning:

Pages in the 130 to 140 range:
posters mention pictures here
BlueAngel somewhat "jumps" in
saying the matter will be taken care of.
Not once but twice, the pictures are still there.
The second set of pictures,
is probably the ones they are referring to.
However, the first set - shown twice,
one other time earlier than this,
seem to have no basis to be there.

I suspect BlueAngel has more than, one username.

Posts by BlueAngel between 140 to 170:
seem to be on somekind of "tyrade".
I was "alarmed" at that time.
However: fears appear to be unfounded.

Posts around 340 maybe a little earlier and on:
there is increased interaction between
members of this forum and BlueAngel.

Prior to then this thread is heavy on
BlueAngels', something like "documentary".

BlueAngel appears to be tiring of the thread
around December 2008 to January 2009.
From Jan 2009 to today the time
taken up by the thread, speeds up.


OPINION TIME:

BlueAngel states the time of this ordeal,
experience by her/him, started
shortly after the 9/11 of 2001.
When the incident of the
World Trade Center twin towers occurred.

That would date the remembrance of things
by BlueAngel around 2002.

Nearest I could figure BlueAngel was born
around 1956 in June.
The memories start to unfold around 2002.
(maybe a month or two before)

Apparently the 9/11 of 2001 incident,
triggered something in BlueAngel,
real or imagined(?).

Prior to 2002, BlueAngel, seems
to have frequented "rock concerts"
of her "pet peeve".

However: BlueAngel states in the thread,
that the idea, that unfolds here in the thread,
was taken to - more "media" attention means.
The "medias" approached, did not accept.

BlueAngels' life apart from this forum that
is retold "of", by her/him,
ends up - lacking credibility.

The way BlueAngel handles this ordeal,
is "reminiscent" of the way
"psychics" are portrayed on TV and in movies.

Speaking from my own experience, which started in 1983,
such "over-whelmed" by emotionally set back,
when these "memories" are replayed in oneself,
subsides later on: so "continually" taken with
these "experiences" after a while,
no longer "exist" in such way.
In my own case it would go Aug to Oct of 1983
to the early 1990's. Not endlessly on still,
even though this still goes on with me, to this date.

BlueAngel states in this thread, that
what is relayed here to us
was an "idea" that was taken to
more "revealing" far and wide, media.
Seemingly before the memories started around 2002.

Something that was seen by BlueAngel
in the lyrics of songs, that
BlueAngel could go on about.

BlueAngel has gone on and on.....
about it, in this thread.

Lots of quantity, short on "quality".

However, BlueAngels' demeanor, needs to be adrressed.

BlueAngel appears to have "gaslighter", tendencies.
Probably doesn't go to the "possessing" extent.
BlueAngel "wants" to have it on you, in such way, though.

There were some posters that BlueAngel couldn't handle.
Appears to be because, BlueAngel,
couldn't "see" the poster, from his/her post.
The only reason I can see for BlueAngel
being "visibly" upset, by Leonardo.

OVERALL:
BlueAngel, "spun"; a good "yarn".
What was written about, is quite believable.

BlueAngels' experience in life,
past and present,
lacks credibility
directly applicable to BlueAngel.

This is the one that I wanted to bring up as the only valid review of this
thread. Not the one before this. Mistake.

li'lears
08-07-2010, 05:13 PM
This thread by BA is not what it portrays itself to be.

The author of this thread is simply passing it out from being played through to

Like in the music industry and authors: it just comes to them.

Not consciously produced by.

li'lears
08-07-2010, 05:20 PM
Hey, BA:

The only evidence you have that you speak of
is at best stashed away by you from your earlier years.
It doesn't exist to you "presently".

You haven't got it from your later years.
You probably don't know where it is.
Your experience has just been played through to you.

You are simply taken with yourself to have been there.
No doubt your life is meaningless otherwise.

Don't forget BA: I don't care what you have to say about anything.
So KEEP QUIET.
You know SHUT UP.

You don't get by me.
Hide behind your stance ---> it's all you do.

BlueAngel
08-16-2010, 11:59 PM
Your apology for the USA to the countless numbers of those who were "unethically" experimented on in prisons, institutions, hospitals and military bases is not accepted.

YouTube - President Clinton admits to mind control experiments

Lovie
08-20-2010, 09:34 PM
can you get the full video or at least one that doesn't look like it has been tampered with?

Lovie
08-22-2010, 12:34 AM
I had no motive..I looks like (to me it has been tampered with)..It's not clear, I can't see his lips moving, to tell if has been overdubbed..
30 seconds is the full video?? come on..no president has made a 30 second speech in his life..

Lovie
08-22-2010, 09:05 PM
[QUOTE]What?

You find it hard to believe that the government conducted unethical experimentation on "unwitting" citizens and that Clinton made a public apology?

I never said that! I just asked you for a better video.

I suspect, in your world, it's better to believe that the video is a fake.
In my world? I just asked you for a better video.


Please tell us what purpose this would serve?
a better video.

Here's a suggestion, since you think the video is a fake, how 'bout you send the video to a media outlet and ask them to authenticate it or to Clinton himself asking him if those are his words.

so, you want ME to validated it when it was your posting?
I just asked you for a better video.


FYI, as anyone can see, the video provides a clip of his speech.
doesn;t look like it to me...

No one said the clip was the entire speech.
yes, yes you did..

Try finding the video on the web.
you are the one who posted it, I just asked you for a better one.

Very few exist.
why do you suppose that is?

Most cannot be FOUND when clicking on the link.

Gee.

I wonder why?

Oh so you don't know either...
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question.
apparently it does
I wonder just the same why the video is of such poor quality.
Do you? Do you REALLY??
Doesn't take a rocket scientist....

I have provided the text below.

The following is a portion of a speech given on 10/3/95 by President William C. Clinton concerning Executive Order 12975 - Protection of Human Research Subjects and Creation of National Bioethics Advisory Commission:

"Thousands of government-sponsored experiments did take place at hospitals, universities, and military bases around our nation. Some were unethical, not only by today's standards, but by the standards of the time in which they were conducted. They failed both the test of our national values, and the test of humanity. The United States of America offers a sincere apology to those of our citizens who were subjected to these experiments, to their families, and to their communities. When the government does wrong, we have a moral responsibility to admit it."

yep. that is fer sure not tampered with. I can tell by the way you wrote it out...

Lovie
08-22-2010, 09:40 PM
Sorry, but I never said that the video was the entirety of Clinton's speech so don't say that I did, because I didn't.

If you want a better video, find it yourself.

This forum doesn't exist to appease you nor do I.

You're the person who questions the validity of the video, so, yes, you are the person who should attempt to verify it and not me.

Again.

This forum doesn't exist to appease you nor do I.

Do your own research.

You're accussing me of tampering with the words Clinton spoke on the video?

You can cleary hear them.

The excerpt was provided by others and myself, as well, and they jive.

Get real, pal!

Or, don't.

Either way, take a hike.



I NEVER said any of the things you are accusing me of Blue angel.
I don't need to find a better copy. You are the one who provided the video..I idn't..
to me it's not very viable. If you want ME to beleive or anyone.. you are the one who needs to find a better video
FTR I'm not your pal..
YOU said it was the full speech..then you went and edited your posts...
YOU have an agenda. no one else..just you..

Lovie
08-22-2010, 10:44 PM
I haven't accused you of anything, but you've accused me of plenty which is untrue such as tampering with Clinton's words on the video.

I didn't say that you tampered with clinton's words..I asked for a better video.
So you actually made this video??

Doesn't matter whether I provided the video or not, you're the person who isn't satisfied with it and wants a better copy so I suggest you find one.
I don't really care..AT ALL..it still looks fake to me..
I don't work for you.

nor do I you.

I provided a video which was provided by someone else.
you think they could have gotten better footage. hmmmm

Believe it as it is or not, I couldn't care any less.

sure you care..you wouldn't get yourself riled up so bad if you didn't..


CC doesn't exist so that we can spend our time proving that which hasn't been proven by someone such as yourself claiming the video is fake.
I never claimed it was fake. I asked for a better video. I said it SEEMS fake to me. If you don't want to waste your time trying to get a better copy of the video, why should I? I'm not the MCV who is trying to tell my story to the world you are.
I never said it was the full speech and edited my post.
yeah you did.

NEVER!
um okay whatever you say..

You are lying.
hmmm..nope, I have nothing to gain by lying but I'm wondering why you want to make me look crazy, here.

Yep.
sure..

I do have an agenda and so do many others including yourself.
I don't have an agenda..I just asked for a better video

The difference would be that my agenda is honorable and your agenda is not.
so what EXACTALY would my agenda be for asking you for a better copy of the video???


btw, I looked for a better video..you can't see his lips to match the words up to his speech..could be overdubbed..

overdub
verb |ˌōvərˈdəb| ( -dubbed, -dubbing)
record (additional sounds) on an existing recording [ trans. ] : she'd overdub her parts for a whole album in a single session | [ intrans. ] a live tape that I overdubbed on.

Lovie
08-23-2010, 02:26 PM
You're asking me for a better copy of the video because you are attempting to prove that it's a fake because you know that a better copy doesn't exist.

Gee, how convenient.

So, if Clinton's words are overdubbed, what does that prove?

That someone overdubbed his words and he never apologized for the "unethical" experimentations conducted on "unwitting" citizens by the government of the United State's of America?

Could you kindly find out what Clinton really said before he was, as you believe, overdubbed?

Even if the video is a fake; even if his words are overdubbed, I can assure you that "unethical" experimentation's were conducted by the government of the United State's of America on "unwitting" citizens and I don't need a President or otherwise to aknowledge it.

Try searching the "Tuskegee" experimentation.

Here's a question for you.

What would be the point of producing a fake video of Clinton apologizing to the "victim's" of unethical experimentation?

there's alot of people just saying stuff on the web. I don't know why someone would overdub that. But, people do a lot of stuff that I don't understand why.
Why are you so convinced it's the real thing??

and FTR, I didn't know there weren't any good copies of it till I looked LAST NIGHT!
And again..I don't rally give a shit two much..If it's true that Clinton apologised, it would be a start, but, I find it difficult to beleive that a polition would apologise.

jane doe
08-23-2010, 04:12 PM
If Clinton apologized it doesn't mean shit. Both Clintons can say anything without honesty.

BlueAngel
08-24-2010, 08:39 PM
AN INTERLUDE

I am what I am

Nothing more and nothing less

Of that, I'm certain, you've heard me confess

On that, I can rest my soul

Not half, but whole

Not stripped bare

But, clothed

In my flesh

Raw and bold

I stand and stare you in the face

and there you are glued to the floor

with your feet

cemented in place

cause

you can't believe

you see

my face

But, here I am

and I must confess

this is the best

I've ever been

Me

In the raw

in the flesh

naked and exposed

slowly putting on my clothes

walking through the door

once more

and there you stand before me

naked and bare

stripped and in the flesh

how does it feel

I ask you

to be so exposed

cause you didn't think

I was capable

but, I am

and now you know

Lovie
08-24-2010, 10:54 PM
Ohmygoodness.

I contemplate.

Should I even attempt to reply to the following mess that was posted by Lovie?

I say to myself.

Oh, why not?

You've conquered so much worse.

You can do this.

Go for it, I say.

So, I do only because there are a couple of comments by Lovie that I feel I need to clarify, but precision is one of my attributes, so I must not leave any stone unturned in the process.

Cause, that's what I do.

I clarify that which isn't clear.
All of it.
Not just a piece or a particle.

So, please.
Allow me the honor.

Originally Posted by BlueAngel

I haven't accused you of anything, but you've accused me of plenty which is untrue such as tampering with Clinton's words on the video.

Lovie said:

I didn't say that you tampered with clinton's words..I asked for a better video.
So you actually made this video??

YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO TELL THAT THE WRITTEN WORDS WERE TAMPERED WITH. I TRANSCRIBED HIS WORDS (i.e., I WROTE THEM) AND, BTW, PLEASE INFORM THE FORUM HOW IT IS YOU ARE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THE WRITTEN WORDS AS TRANSCRIBED BY ME AND OTHERS WERE TAMPERED WITH.

I NEVER SAID I MADE THE VIDEO.

BlueAngel said:

Doesn't matter whether I provided the video or not, you're the person who isn't satisfied with it and wants a better copy so I suggest you find one.

Lovie said:

I don't really care..AT ALL..it still looks fake to me..

OBVIOUSLY, YOU CARE AS YOU CONTINUE TO HOUND ME TO FIND A BETTER COPY. SORRY TO INFORM YOU BUT YOUR OPINION THAT THE VIDEO IS A FAKE DOESN'T MATTER.

Blue Angel said:

I don't work for you.

Lovie said:

nor do I you.

WHO THEN DO YOU WORK FOR IF NOT FOR YOURSELF?

OH, LET ME GUESS!!

BlueAngel said:

I provided a video which was provided by someone else.

Lovie said:

you think they could have gotten better footage. hmmmm

YEAH, RIGHT.
DAMN THEM.
YOU THINK THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED BETTER FOOTAGE.
LIKE I SAID.
DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE VIDEO TAMPERED WITH IT?

BlueAngel said:

Believe it as it is or not, I couldn't care any less.

Lovie said:

sure you care..you wouldn't get yourself riled up so bad if you didn't..

SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU, BUT I'M NOT RILED UP. YOU ARE APPARENTLY THE PERSON WHO IS RILED UP ABOUT THIS VIDEO AND NOT ME AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT IT.

BlueAngel said:

CC doesn't exist so that we can spend our time proving that which hasn't been proven by someone such as yourself claiming the video is fake.

Lovie said:

I never claimed it was fake. I asked for a better video. I said it SEEMS fake to me. If you don't want to waste your time trying to get a better copy of the video, why should I? I'm not the MCV who is trying to tell my story to the world you are.

AH, YOU SAID IT LOOKS LIKE THE VIDEO WAS TAMPERED WITH; CLINTON'S WORDS WERE DUBBED OVER AND, THEREFORE, IT SEEMS FAKE.

I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME FINDING A BETTER COPY OF THE VIDEO. YOU ASKED ME TO WASTE MY TIME FINDING A BETTER COPY OF THE VIDEO FOR YOU.

AS AN MCV, I'M NOT THE LEAST BIT CONCERNED ABOUT FINDING A BETTER COPY OF THE VIDEO, CAUSE, PAL, CLINTONI'S WORDS AREN'T MY EVIDENCE; THEY JUST ADD TO IT.

BlueAngel said:

I never said it was the full speech and then edited my post after you accused me of saying it was the full speech.

Lovie said:

yeah you did.

KINDLY PROVE WHERE I SAID THE CLIP OF CLINTON WAS HIS FULL SPEECH.

I NEVER SAID SUCH A THING AND THEN EDITED MY POST.

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID A PRESIDENT HAS NEVER GIVEN A SPEECH THAT LASTS HOW EVER LONG THIS CLIP DID AND NOT I.

BlueAngel said:

NEVER!

Lovie said:

um okay whatever you say..

YOU BETCHA!

BlueAngel said:

You are lying.

Lovie said:

hmmm..nope, I have nothing to gain by lying but I'm wondering why you want to make me look crazy, here.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GAIN BY LIEING, THAN DON'T LIE SUCH AS SAYING I SAID THE CLIP REPRESENTED CLINTON'S FULL SPEECH.

Lovie said:

Yep.

sure..

YEP, yet again.

BlueAngel said:

I do have an agenda and so do many others including yourself.

Lovie said:

I don't have an agenda..I just asked for a better video.

SO FIND ONE.

BlueAngel said:

The difference would be that my agenda is honorable and your agenda is not.
wow ..just wow..

NONE OF that transpired.. go back and read the posts..
I asked for a better video..you are the OP of the video..
you made this into some big conspiracy to fuel your demons..
you are insane..
goodbye.

Lovie
08-25-2010, 09:58 AM
[QUOTE=BlueAngel;70005]If it didn't transpire, why is it there?
well, something transpired but NOT what you claim..
Go back and read the posts.I know what I said and what I meant.

You'll see that they are there.
yes, anyone can see the rubbish that you spew.
Therefore, they transpired. Not like you think..

I'm not the OP of the video and even if I were, it doesn't mean I have to supply you with a better copy.
so, you are saying that you didn't post the video on club conspiracy? It says Blue Angel. so either you are lying or someone is posting under your user name....
You're the person who wants a better copy, not me.

So, go find one. so, your satisfied then..cool

I didn't make this into some big conspiracy, you did.
hmmm just because I think it's fake apology?
Therefore, you are the one who needed to do so in order to fuel his demons.
I don't know why you keep referring to me in the masculine pronoun. I am female.
No demons here. That is what demons want you to believe.

jane doe
08-25-2010, 12:44 PM
Wait until Bill hears about this.

Lovie
08-25-2010, 07:45 PM
Wait until Bill hears about this.

yeah, I sent him an email @whitehouse.gov..he said he has no idea what I'm talking about.

Lovie
08-27-2010, 07:13 AM
[quote=Lovie;70016]

Inside the box.


If you posted the video on CC, then YOU ARE the OP..OP stands for Original poster. Sheesh~
I like how you rearrange posts, to suit yourself. So you can scream foul. It's nice having power against people init?

Lovie
09-01-2010, 10:11 AM
[quote=Lovie;70041]

I've explained in detail about the video ad nauseum and, it appears, you are the only person who doesn't understand the written word, because you constantly misinterpret that which is CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, which causes you to continually rehash the unimportant; attempting to make some point which you will never make because you are not comprehending that which is, as I said, CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE ENLGISH LANGUAGE.

My post about the video indicates that I understand what OP stands for.

I don't rearrange my posts to suit myself.

I don't scream foul and I don't have power against people.

More misconceptions by Lovie.

What else is new?

Why did you say you were not the OP then? If you understand what it means???
Oh wait, you'll say you didn't say that, and will have edited your posts so that they don't say that anymore..that's what I mean by using power over people..then when you don't like what they say you ban them..

talk about psy-ops...

Lovie
09-01-2010, 12:56 PM
If it didn't transpire, why is it there?

Go back and read the posts.

You'll see that they are there.

Therefore, they transpired.

I'm not the OP of the video and even if I were, it doesn't mean I have to supply you with a better copy.

You're the person who wants a better copy, not me.

So, go find one.

I didn't make this into some big conspiracy, you did.

Therefore, you are the one who needed to do so in order to fuel his demons.

No demons here.

Demon free!

quoting this here before BA edit's her post where she said she is not the op...

BlueAngel
09-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Where have all the people of American gone?

Where are all the voices that were once strong?

Suppressed?

Distressed?

Sell-outs like all the rest.

Where are all the jobs?

Overseas?

In distant lands

While we stand in the unemployment lines

and our military are used to protect the interests

of the very few in far away places

while they prosper and we suffer

leaving only traces

of shattered and broken hearts

And, I throb

My heart that is

It aches for a place

for all of us

but we don't fit in

We're not in their plan

It's their sham and their scam

And

When I was very young, they wanted me to believe

but I knew

I had been deceived

all for the profit and greed of the very few

I don't want a third world country

America

that's not what she was meant to be

or was she

all through the deception and misconception by those

who tell us what is, but, what really is not

so, we fight, in far away places

leaving only traces

of broken hearts

and families

living in the dark

trying to mend and put back the pieces

of their shattered lives

all for the sake of the very few

protecting their interests

and their lies

while we fight for them

believing we are fighting for us

it's so untrue

Lovie
09-08-2010, 09:53 AM
Thank you for quoting a post wherein I say that I wasn't the OP of the Clinton video.

Hint:

I think what you're looking for is a post wherein I said I was the original poster.

Your apology for the USA to the countless numbers of those who were "unethically" experimented on in prisons, institutions, hospitals and military bases is not accepted.

YouTube - President Clinton admits to mind control experiments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTiONdJJRcw)

Furthermore, your presence on this forum is irrelevant and so is the content that you write.

I feel the same way about you!


Whew! This is getting fun, now!

YOU posted the video, a VERY bad, FAKE apology video!
I asked you if you could get a better copy, because YOU were the OP, of the video!
YOU accused me of some sort of VAST conspiracy :), cause I asked for a better copy of the video!
YOU denied being the OP OVER AND OVER AND OVER...and then Called ME a liar..lol
it appears that you are the one who is a liar!
So now you are turning this into an unimportant argument over the OP..
so you fail, at making me out to be the liar, the LIAR is you..
what do you gain??? elitist attitude.. you sure you don't work for THEM???

jane doe
09-08-2010, 06:14 PM
BlueAngel, I am impressed by your poem.:)

Lovie
09-13-2010, 07:30 PM
I never accused you of some sort of vast conspiracy.

FYI, the video is floating around on the INTERNET.

Hence, this is from where it originated.

As I said, I don't believe I was the OP of the video and I requested that you provide back-up that proves I was and even if you DO provide back-up that proves I was the OP of the video on this forum, so what?

Ah, I think it would be you who has OVER and OVER and OVER again tried to turn this into an unimportant argument.

No.

I take that back.

I don't think it is you.

I am certain it is you.

word salad....

BlueAngel
09-13-2010, 08:04 PM
I love you
Not only
Because you love me
For who I am
But, because, there you stand
Beside me
Every step of the way
While I try to see through all the dirt
In my face

And
There you are
again
When I emerge
Pouring your grace
Upon me

Helping me learn to love myself
And see beyond
All the dirt
In my face

The utter disgrace of it all
and the places
I once was

Showing me how to shove it
To the side
And
Be in the here and now
And not the past
For it is gone
And, oh, how I long

For your arms
When I’m in that space
Holding me
When I can't see
through all the dirt in my face

and

there you are

with me

in the now and not the past

and

There isn’t any dirt in my face
it's all been cleared away
and I can see in front of me
The footsteps I must take
To erase the memories of what once was

A cell
A torture chamber
A dark and damp floor
Crawling to the food
Left by the door

Eating and feeling sick
Being deprived of life
Sacrificed

Feeling like I wanted to die
But fighting to stay alive
For this day

Today, tomorrow
And
All the tomorrows to come

For we are one
And, you

You are my love

jane doe
09-15-2010, 10:34 AM
BlueAngel, your husband is so lucky to have your love.:)

conasatátú
09-16-2010, 01:09 AM
Cathy O'Brien speaks of the music industry in her book "Trance Formation of America" she also names names.

It's an interesting book but a harrowing read - if anyone wants it, I have it as a PDF - PM me.

I have also seen a few vids on YouTube about this subject - the most recent, Lady Gaga. However, all through the 70s there were rumours about Led Zep and the Stones etc. that fit this theme and the old adage "no smoke without fire" usually holds true in my experience.

Lovie
09-23-2010, 03:34 PM
you realize ads are a google bot right?
meaning they just search for key WORDS..

Lovie
09-23-2010, 08:03 PM
No.

I didn't realize that until Mizfish explained it to me.

Like I said, thank GOODNESS that Club Conspiracy has relinqished their "advertising rights" to GOOGLE.

:eek:
pretty much every website does it to earn revenue..
did you ban the owner of the site? tee hee that'd be funny

Lovie
09-25-2010, 09:18 AM
Hmm.. He could shut down the site..that would be REALLY funny:rolleyes:

BlueAngel
11-02-2010, 09:25 PM
I look at our world and
what do I see
a whole lot of people

suffering

all around me

losing their homes and
living in dirt

dying of diseases
in pain and hurt

veterans returning from overseas
dealing with injuries we can't even conceive

families of loved ones lost in Iraq
a war gone bad
from the moment in was hatched

bin laden still roaming
Al Qaeda our fear
the elitists parading around
like they truly care

about us

So,

i look around me and what do I see
a third world country in the making

schools that are crumbling
education that is failing

pharmaceutical companies pushing their dope

I don't see America and
I don't see hope

She's a cloud
lost in the smoke

of 911 and the towers falling down

buildings that crumbled straight to the ground
as if they were wired
but, if I dare speak it
I won't be admired

I'll be looked upon as if I'm insane
just like a child
when I called out thier names
pointed my finger
accused them of much
only to be sent away
and out of touch

but, hey, that's me

and I'll keep talking

cause what do I see

a whole lot of people suffering

livin' in dirt

in pain, crying, broken and hurt

BlueAngel
11-02-2010, 09:32 PM
I just wannna walk on the beach

barefoot and carefree

with the sand squishing in between my toes

without any clothes

feeling the breeze sweep across me

on my face

while I walk in the sand

and it squishes in between my toes

and the horizon is yellow and gold

and the birds

I see them

sweeping gently across the water

diving here and there without any care

their wings outsrtreched

riding the waves

as each one creasts

and I walk through the sand

feeling it squish in between my toes

and in the distance

the horizon

all yellow and gold

Ah, the ocean

what a sight to behold

retro_stripes
11-03-2010, 11:11 AM
miley cyrus's mom cheated with bret michaels.
demi lovato just entered rehab for cutting.
all the disney kids have horrible lives.

JBoy
11-12-2010, 03:56 PM
Monarch slave actors/performers:

-Roseanne Barr, Bette Mittler, Marilyn Monroe, Loretta Lynn, Crystal Gayle, Wayne Newton,...etc.

MAJOR slave handlers-->Frank Sinatra, Peter Lawford & Bob Hope
MAJOR programmers-->Anton LaVey & Jerry lee Lewis

Elvis Presley-->Illuminati programmed multiple-->AKA John Burrows-->Memphis Mafia-->twin brother dead @ birth-->Elvis' handler/programmer was Col. Tom Parker-->Elvis active member of Theosophical Society-->after Elvis' death, Sun International Corp. released Elvis album called 'Orion'-->Mae Boren Axton (AKA Grande Dame of Nashville) pivotal in Elvis' life-->Elvis close to Burt Reynolds & Jerry Lee Lewis.

Hollywood productions exist SOLELY to PUSH mind-control agenda.


-Star Wars, Star Trek, Wizard of Oz, Love Boat, Fantasy Island, I Dream of Jeanie, The Little Princess, Miss Universe Contest 1995, Duck Tails, Bobby's World, Tiny Toons, My Fair Lady, ET,...etc.

Shows containing elements of Illuminati ceremonies/history/drug running methods:

-Bell, Book & Candle, Burn Witch Burn, Curse of the Voodoo, Equinox, Manos, The Hands of Fate, Witchcraft '70, Spirits of the Living Dead, Frankenstein, Night of the Living Dead, Bewitched, Raising Cain, Hellraiser 3,...etc.

Shows portraying total mind-control Monarch programming:

-Telephon, Manchurian Candidate, Videodrome, Labyrinth, Trancer II, Krull, The Attack of the Robots, Dr. Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine, Attack of the Puppet People, The War of the Zombies, Colossus - The Forbin Project, The Point of No Return (Jane Fonda's Bridgett-->OTO), Cat Girl, Golem, Cyborg 2087,...etc.


Coca-cola (Illuminati ran)-->MAJOR advertiser for Star Trek.

'God'-man Dalai Lama-->HUGE fan of TNG.

Illuminati S & M porn film industry BOOMING for 1/2 century; MASSIVE humiliation, torture & snuff.

Michael Aquino-->'Mickey Mouse' programming (also his nickname)

Frank Sinatra bought the movie rights for Richard Condons 'Manchurian Candidate', published in 1958.

Frank Sinatra has handled Bob Hopes' slaves when Bob's victims 'lent' to the 'Rat Pack' (Dean Martin, Frank, Sammy Davis Jr., Peter Lawford & Joey Bishop).

Frank close to Rockefellars/Rothschilds

Peter & Sammy-->Satanists

Dean wanted to bring collared sexual slave with 'kitten' alter onto his TV show, but was stopped.

Frank's mother performed illegal 'abortions'.

Illuminati death squads FAR superior to Mafia.

Charlie 'Lucky' Luciano controlled Marilyn Monroe.

William Joseph Bryan, Jr.-->(AKA William Joseph Bryon/William Jenning Bryan III)-->Chief of Air Force's 'Medical Survival Training' (covert mind-control section)-->programmed Sirhan Sirhan to be involved in Rob Kennedy asassination-->Bryan was Satanic priest in Old Roman Catholic church.

Bryan/Sinatra-->members of Tommy Dorsey Band.

Collins Illuminati bloodline performed pre-20th century experiments to create 'frankenstein'. Rothschilds have succeeded in producing 'synthetic' people since the Collins' attempts.(hey, how the hell we know)

Sisters-of-Light-->level before Mothers-of-Darkness.

Quintriplets MASSIVE Illuminati advantage for high level subterfuge.

UNTIL SOCIETY ADMITS THE WIDESPREAD ATROCITIES OF ADVANCED MIND-CONTROL METHODOLOGY, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN TO ADMIT THE GROTESQUELY HORRIFIC VICTIMIZATION EXPERIENCED DAILY.

It's time to buck the Illuminati's structured World System of the religious spirit promoting BONDAGE LOOPING.

Satanism is globally manufacturing subserviant obediance under the guise of colonialism, 'New Age' movement, war on 'terror' (truth & willpower actually)/drugs/environment, & white powdered gold's (Ormus) super-conducting highway to 'enlightenment'.

Stay tuned...crunch time approaching...

JBoy
11-12-2010, 04:38 PM
List of 'Network'/NWO abusers:

AC/DC Satanic rock band
Ade, Henry - CIA/drug dealer/ Monarch slave abuser
Aga Khan IV, H.H. Prince Karim - Satanist/leader of Ismaili Muslims
Alabama country music group - Satanists/Monarch slave handlers
Bailey, John - slave abuser
Barnes, Don - slave abuser/in co. sheriff's office
Benson, Ezra Taft - Satanist/ leader of LDS church, Church of Jesus Christ, Administration Building

Bowers, Wilber D. - Illum. Ipsimus/Monarch programmer/CIA drug dealer
Brown, Edmund G. (Jerry) Jr. - Illum. satanist/ CA politician/ slave abuser
Brown, Charlie - Air Force Intel./murderer/Monarch slave abuser
Bundy, McGeorge - Illum.
Byrd, Robert C. - Satanist/programmer/W. VA senator
Clinton, Hillary - Illum. witch/slave handler
Cochran, Hank - CIA drug kingpin
Cox, Wayne - Satanic high priest/Monarch handler/serial killer
Dante, Michael (Michael Vitti) - Monarch slave abuser/porn maker
Day, Brad - slave abuser/coke pusher
Drake, Jim (& son) - slave abusers/porn & drug dist
Fonda, Peter
Fonda, Jane
Gavoruhk, John - police chief working for Illum. protecting monarch programmers/handlers

Grace, J. Peter - business leader/Illum.
Grateful Dead - Satanic cult rock band/Illum. coke dist.
Greene, Jack - CIA/white slavery/Monarch slave abuser/country entertainer
Haggard, Merle - slave abuser/country singer
Hestbeck, Vaugn - Monarch abuser/Danish coke. dist.
List of 'Network'/NWO abusers (cont'd):

Hope, Bob-->slave owner/slave handler with intel. agencies
Houston, Alex-->Satanist/Monarch programmer
Hummell, Ed-->Monarch programmer
Humperdink, Englebert
King Juan Carlos I-->King of Spain/Illum.
KISS Satanic rock band
Kissinger, Henry-->Illum./P2 Freemason
Kreskin-->occultist
Lang, Velton-->white slavery/drug running
Lewis, Jerry Lee-->Monarch programmer/musician
MacLaine, Shirley-->actress/author/'New Age' occultist
Madonna-->Satanist/Monarch slave
Manson, Charles-->Satanist/Monarch slave & handler
Martin, Diane-->CIA drug dealer/Monarch abuser
McKee, Lloyd-->drug dealer/Monarch abuser
McQuinn, Mike-->slave handler/money launderer
Meadows, Hal-->Dir. of CIA's near-death programming center (Swiss Villa Ampetheater)
Merrit, Jeff-->CIA drug runner/slave abuser
Mitterand, Francois Maurice Marie-->Illum./close to Rothschilds/Pres. of France
Nelson, Willie-->singer/Monarch handler
Nunn, Sam-->Illum.
O'Brien, Earl-->CIA Monarch abuser
Overstreet, Tommy-->CIA/white slavery
Parton, Dolly-->Satanist
Pope John Paul (AKA Karol Wojtyla)-->Illum./Freemason
Pride, Charley-->slave abuser/white slavery/country singer
Prophet, Ronnie-->Satanist/Monarch slave runner
Queen Beatrix (Wilhelmina Armagard)-->Illum./Queen of Netherlands
Reynolds, Dr. Herbert H.-->Illum./Univ. CEO (Baylor)
Riley, Ken-->CIA/Neo-Nazi/Loretta Lynn's handler-road manager
Rockefellar, Winthrop-->Illum. kingpin/porn dealer
Rorick, David (AKA Dave Roe)-->Satanist/white slavery
Rose, Ivan-->CIA/white slavery/Monarch abuser
Ryan, Dr. Michael N.-->Illum. doctor/slave surgery-maintenance
Smith, Dan-->car & drug dealer/slave abuser
Stevens, Jim-->Monarch abuser/drug runner
Tanis, Bob-->CIA/Air Force Intel./Monarch abuser/mafia/pornographer
Train, Russell-->Club of Rome
Trump, Donald-->Illum.
Vanderpool, Darcy-->Monarch programmer
Walker, Jimmy-->Monarch abuser/pornographer
Warlock, Billy-->actor
Westberry, Kent-->songwriter/Satanist/white slavery

Illuminati Companies (some):

-Air America; CIA front
-Cargill, Inc.;Illum. ran grain cartel
-Dungeon Masster, Desmodus Inc.;hard gay-porn/S & M publisher
-Eli Lilly & Co.;Illum. drug company
-Machinery International, Inc.; CIA front
-Rothschild Pediatric Group; Metairie/Destrehan, LA
-Southern Air Transport; CIA front
-Summit Aviation; CIA front

JBoy
11-12-2010, 05:42 PM
No, I have not been drinking !!



Dr. Jensen-->CIA programmer for Candy Jones ( birth name Jessica Wilcox & CIA alias Arlene Grant). 'Candy' received programming @ CIA's, 'The Farm', Camp Peary.

Dr. William Jennings Bryan helped in CIA programming.

Naval psychologist Lt. Comdr. Thomas Narut contributed ideas to develop mind-controlled assassins.

Dr. James monroe worked for CIA's mind-control programming.


Monarch mind-control p[rogrammers:
Morse Allen
Lt. Col. John Alexander
Richard Dabney Anderson

Michael Aquino (program cover name-->'Malcolm', AKA 'Mickey to children, Betty Ford is his mother, Illum. bloodline, married to Lilith Sinclair)

Astor
Armstrong
Bill Bennett
Wilbur Bowers (program cover name-->'Billy Boy'; a Rothschild)
Dr. William Jennings Bryan
Burcham
Burnell-Hightower
Sen. Robert C. Byrd
Dr. D. Ewen Cameron (program cover name-->'Dr. White')
Sue Harper
Joe Circo
Mark Circo
Wayne Cox
Dr. Bernard Diamond
Michael Delaney (program cover name-->'Robin Hood'; Heinrich Mueller's son)
Russell G. Frazier
Gaston
Beth George (a Rothschild)
Clair George
Dr. Sydney Gottlieb
Col. Wilson Green
John Gunter (program cover name-->'Little John')
Haggin
Harrick in Denver, Co.
Col. Height (sp?)
Lawrence Hinkle
Alex Houston
Ed Hummel
Dr. Harris Isbell
Dr. Jensen
Johnson
Steve Kilgore
Kris Kristopherson
Helga LaRouche
Hank Levine
Jerry Lee Lewis
Dr. John Lilly
Col. Manassah
Irby Mandrell
Hal Meadows
Dr. Meiers (program cover name-->'Jolly Green Giant')
Seward Prosser Mellon (program cover name-->'Governor')
Dr. Josef Mengele (program cover name-->'Dr. Green')
Dr. Joseph A. Meyer
Ted V. Mikels
Dr. James Monroe
Heinrich Mueller (program cover name-->'Dr. Blue')
Theodore (program cover name-->'Teddy Bear'; Mueller's son)
Nathan
Lt. Comdr. Thomas Narut
Dr. Martin T. Orange
Owens
Col. Tom Parker
Patterson
Pete Peterson
Ken Riley
Rockefellar
David Long Rothschild
Gut de Rothschild
Savor
Alden Sears
Dr. Star (?)
Maj. Strange
Strong
Suttenfuss
Col. Taylor
Leo Taylor
Darcy Vanderpool
Weir
Kent Westberry
Leo Wheeler (program cover name-->'Dr. Black'; a Collins)
Robert Whitlow
Harold Wolff

Country music industry perpetraitors;
involved/knowledgeable of Monarch mind-control
(most involved in CIA's drug-runninning 'Network'):

Henry Ade
Alabama band
Atlanta
Bandana
Lynn Anderson
Jerry Barlow
Boxcar Willie
Ray Burdette
Glen Cambell
Ace Canon
Dee Clark
Roy Clark
David Allen coe
Pat Corn
Helen Cornelius
Wayne Cox
Dave DeBolt
Penny Dehaven
Charlie Dick
The Drifters
Roy Drusky
Narvel Felts
The Four Guys
Rnady & Judy Gatlin
Jim Glaser
Vern Gosdin
Jack Greene
Merle Haggard
Alex Houston (& Elmer)
Englebert Humperdink
Waylon Jennings
George Jones
The Judds
Merle Kilgore
Buddy Killen
Velton Lang
Hank Levine
Jerry Lee Lewis
Ernest Ray Lynn
Ronnie Lutric
Jack MacFadden
Reggie MacLaughlin
Brent Magor
Marty Martell
George Moffet
Lorrie Morgan
Bonnie Nelson
Oakridge boys
Merril Osmund
Tommy Overstreet
Jerry & Arlene Petty
Ray Pillow
Charlie Pride
Ronnie Prophet
Jeannie Pruett
giles Reeves
Dave Roe (Rorick)
Dave Roland (& sugar)
TG Sheppard
Hank Snow
Ronnie Stoneman
Jimmy Sturr
Jimmy Swaggart
Mel Tillis
Buck Trent
LeRoy VanDyke
Jim West
Mack Vickory
Bill Walker
Charlie Walker
Jim Webb
Dottie West
Shelly West
Kent Westberry
Bobby Whitton
The Wright Brothers

CHILD ABDUCTORS:
'Chucky' (AKA 'Mike', AKA 'Peters')
-->FBI hitman in Division 5 of FBI
-->involved with inslaw case

Nichol Harrah
-->FBI agent abducting children for sacrifice

Linda Krieg
-->Satanist working for FBI

Ken Lanning
-->FBI agent abducting children for sacrifice
-->claims SRA doesn't exist

Nick O'Hara
-->FBI hitman; Satanist covering up FBI child kidnappings by murdering witnesses

Kepe Richardson
-->CIA agent abducting children for sacrifice

CIA slave handlers/drug dealers:

Pat Bowlin
Bush (Sr. & Jr.)
Sue Carper (CIA ops Dir.)
Hank Cochran (drug overlord)
Alan Dulles
Diane Martin of Hawaii
Irby mandrell (controls other family member slaves-->Barbara, Louise & Iriene)
Jim Maynard; CIA covert ops Belize
Jeff Merrit; St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Is.
Carl Misel
Jim Mithcell
Earl O'Brien
Linda Scale
Bob Tannis; w/Air Force Intel.

JBoy
11-13-2010, 05:51 AM
MOST of this material is not mine, authors are posted . I only post...I do not research most of this !!

I try to EXPOSE these criminals


All the names of the entertainment industry ....its open on the net..they will always pop up..

Do U know Cathy 'O Brian ??? I have compassion for all that went thur and still going thur !!......
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"Michael Aquino (program cover name-->'Malcolm', AKA 'Mickey to children, Betty Ford is his mother, Illum. bloodline, married to Lilith Sinclair ???


Betty Ford, President Gerald Ford's wife is the mother of Michael Aquino? OK, an error !!!
im not fool proof !! Lilith Sinclair correct ??
Please explain.
************************************************** ************************************************** *******************
Also, in another one of your posts, you've presented a group picture taken somewhere in the US and claim that HITLER is in this picture; alive and well in the US in 1997. I sure dont recollect that, but again, usually the author is posted..
That would mean that HITLER would have been 107 years old in that picture.If i posted that, i myself dont believe that !!! ..Ill take it down.. !!

And, what is the deal with claiming that someone who wasn't the President of the US was the President?....looks just like him !!!... how do u know it is not ?? its clear that Don Nicoloff was the author All the story From the April 2007 Idaho Observer: How can I prove that, im nobody !!! Mr Nicoloff perhaps !!!.. I say again, It SURE favors Bush sr. !!!!

Before you post any futher, answer my questions.

JBoy
11-13-2010, 06:39 AM
I do apologize, I thought this was a theroists forum ???!!!. I have learned from the history channel.. !! not being defensive at all !!!
I know BA will get the last word... and this is not an attact on BA.
I respect his/her position...

JBoy
11-13-2010, 06:43 AM
I think you've missed quite a few names.


OK, already, give um here, ill post um !!!!

JBoy
11-13-2010, 09:07 AM
BA:
U can not assume that everyone reads about u. i am new here..

I found this in a posting. We must never ASSUME !!

Now u have dileted for what ??? my threads. for you assuming...and being over what ???.. i did not mention something i knew nothing about...


Yes, they are far less credible then a women who thinks the C.I.A abducted her and (as far I gather) had Springsteen brainwash her. Oh, and said woman claims to have MPD as well. Let's see:

1) Bruce Springsteen messed with your head, hmm..sounds rational to me
2) The C.I.A, with all their involved in, just HAD to abduct you and do ghoulish things to you. I suppose that must make you feel pretty special. After all, I can honestly say I have never been abducted by Greys or had the C.I.A abduct me in their super secret "Black Helicopters" everyone knows about.

JBoy
12-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Ive been gone !!!!

Is that ur wish upon me ??
well, may ur christmas be the same !!!That sounds evil and masonic !!!.
I quoted that from someone else, i did not say anything about u. u damn nut !!!
get off of prozac. Get drunk... get well.....jingle bells up urs !!!! LOL !!!!!

JBoy
12-04-2010, 06:56 PM
Look Blue Angel.
I found that shit on u your site.. , a posting. i forgot where, u pissed someone off. i found it.. posted it. I would nevr say that !!!. I had no reason other than u deleting my threads. big deal !!!.. im not a vengeful person. masons piss me off. .. with there blabber...I wanted u to see it. though !!! others get pissed at u. im not the only one (was my point). Im sorry all that happened to u. I told u that.. I just started posting..
I knew nothing about u, including ur gender. U will find, im not going to find the post. i did not say that.
I am not not going down on anybodys record for being a cruel person.
Merry Christmas

I do know a lot... more than u..different CIA projects.. The Nazi CIA with Germans by the thousands on our military bases as i speak...

oldman60
12-18-2010, 06:17 PM
BlueAngel, I have a friend who has told me about being abused in her childhood. Her father was with the U.S. Air Force at the close of the 1940s, she suffers from dissociative disorder, and her current husband is a retired Air Force major, whom she met about 7 years ago. These would all seem like coincidences, except I went to a Memorial Day party at her place earlier this year. As with everyone else, I took paper plates, food, and utensils. She and I met alone near where I ate, and when I partook of dessert and lifted my spoon, it was bent. It had been normal when I'd had the main course. I'm wondering if her current husband is a handler. He seems too self-assured.

JBoy
12-30-2010, 02:48 PM
The Evil Behind The Music Industry (Ex-Illuminatus explains)

September 6, 2010 by POPEYE (http://www.federaljack.com/?author=7)
Filed under Occult (http://www.federaljack.com/?cat=60)


http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ILLUMINATI-ALL-SEEING-EYE.jpg (http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ILLUMINATI-ALL-SEEING-EYE.jpg)

http://img.youtube.com/vi/F42To4HkPtw/0.jpg YouTube - The Evil Behind The Music Industry (Ex-Illuminatus explains)

JBoy
12-30-2010, 04:16 PM
MIND CONTROL: Subliminal Sex Messages and Pornography in Advertising & Cartoons


http://www.federaljack.com/?p=16931#more-16931

JBoy
12-30-2010, 04:44 PM
How Hollywood Spreads Disinformation About Secret Societies


How Hollywood Spreads Disinformation About Secret Societies : Federal Jack (http://www.federaljack.com/?p=9274)

Dangermouse
01-02-2011, 04:28 PM
Tell me baby is he good to you? Can he do to you the things that I do? I can take you higher...

Muzz
01-03-2011, 10:39 AM
Must See New Conspiracy Website www.therealmichaelmurray.com

i dont want 2 talk
01-05-2011, 02:37 AM
mind control is the scourge of the 21st century >>>>>>>>>>>>>

peace to blue angel >> resist the cynics ;-)

okay militia mind control is evil, no probably beyond evil.... but those victims who do nothing about it are just as bad >>>>> aldous huxley quote i think....

solutions????
agree ;-),
dont listen ;-)
find other sides to the argument...
change the subject..
speak another language.....
put distance between you and your abusers...
open up a real channel of communication.. (if they listen)

hmmm sorry to take the thread down... but maybe we have to destroy them as that is all really what they want to do to their victims >>>

You must know the score ... pioneered by Nazis and developed by Gov.agencies... sh1t

peace

JudgeMathis
01-05-2011, 05:08 PM
I have contacted Judge Mathis' website on numerous occasions because there is a poster on BTX with the username, JudgeMathis, and, apparently, the REAL Judge Mathis doesn't care that this person is representing him because the member on BTX with the username JudgeMathis continues to post there.

Obviously, Judge Mathis is posting on BTX or he doesn't care that someone is impersonating him.

I wonder what Judge Judy's response would be?

You were asked by my legal representation to cease and desist this slanderous campaign. I ask you again to stop. If you choose not to I will be left with no other option than escalation.

Thank you,
Judge Mathis

BlueAngel
02-10-2011, 09:40 PM
You fill me up when I'm empty
You rest my soul when it's tired
You give me strength when I'm weak
And, all I can do is admire

You wipe my tears when I'm hurting
You fuel my engine when I'm grounded
You give me hope when I'm saddened
You never cease to astound me

And, yet, all I can do is admire

You open me up when I'm closed
You stitch me back together when I'm not whole
You heal my wounds
You fill my heart
Your words give me voice
You are my star

I look to sky to find you
I see you shining bright
You fill my days with sunshine
and my nights with a guiding light

You are the one
The one I see
when I can't see me

when I can't find my way
when I stray back to the past

you are there
putting me back on course

walking a straight path
right along side me

never wavering
never leaving
never breaking our vows

cause you mean as much to me than
as you do now

You are my knight in shining armor
and on a black horse you ride
swooping me up into your saddle
while I wrap my legs around you and, together,
we travese this world in style

You, you are the one I admire
never ceasing to astound me with your forgiving smile
wrapping your arms around me
while we traverse this world in style

BlueAngel
04-10-2011, 06:22 PM
More sexual abuse in the lives of musicians; singers/songwriters.

The Judds let the secrets fly in TV documentary - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110410/tv_nm/us_judds)

ASURAISBACK
06-23-2011, 10:15 AM
Do you know if they implant binaural beats into music?

zray13fu.blogspot.com check me out?

agent_mulder
08-11-2011, 01:06 AM
NOTICE TO ALL
Please ensure all posts in this thread are related to Mind Control and the Music Industry. Any threads that stray from that, and are deemed to be deliberate will resolve in that post being removed to the trash can and the member receiving an infraction.

Please ensure that ALL Posts made within are on topic.

BlueAngel
08-11-2011, 03:02 AM
I am looking to identify the name of the artist/group and the lyrics to a particular song which I can only identify with a few of the lines from the song as follows:

HOW DO YOU MEND A BROKEN HEART;

I KNOW I'VE GOT TO FIND SOME KIND OF PEACE OF MIND...

I'LL BE SEARCHING EVERYWHERE

JUST TO FIND SOMEONE WHO CARES...

Help, anyone?

Thanks,
BA

agent_mulder
08-11-2011, 03:49 AM
Are you talking about:
What becomes of the broken hearted?

As I walk this land of broken dreams,
I have visions of many things.
Love's happiness is just an illusion,
Filled with sadness and confusion.
What becomes of the broken hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find
Some kind of peace of mind
Maybe.
The fruits of love grow all around
But for me they come a tumblin' down.
Every day heartaches grow a little stronger,
I can't stand this pain much longer!
I walk in shadows,
Searching for light.
Cold and alone,
No comfort in sight.
Hoping and praying for someone to care,
Always moving and goin' nowhere.
What becomes of the broken hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find,
Some kind of peace of mind.
Help me..
I'm searching though I don't succeed,
For someone's love, there's a growing need.
Oh, he is lost, there's no place for beginning,
All that's left is an unhappy ending.
Now what becomes of the broken-hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find,
Some kind of peace of mind,
I'll be searching everywhere,
Just to find someone to care.
I'll be looking everyday,
I know I'm gonna find a way.
Nothings gonna stop me now,
I'll find a way somehow.
I'll be searching everywhere...

EireEngineer
08-11-2011, 04:53 PM
So, what's the deal?

You like Bruce Springsteen's pedophilia song?
Only a song about pedophilia if you dont listen to the song or know what what a colloquialism is.

BlueAngel
08-22-2011, 08:55 PM
Only a song about pedophilia if you dont listen to the song or know what what a colloquialism is.

Your comment doesn't make any sense.

BlueAngel
08-22-2011, 08:56 PM
Are you talking about:
What becomes of the broken hearted?

As I walk this land of broken dreams,
I have visions of many things.
Love's happiness is just an illusion,
Filled with sadness and confusion.
What becomes of the broken hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find
Some kind of peace of mind
Maybe.
The fruits of love grow all around
But for me they come a tumblin' down.
Every day heartaches grow a little stronger,
I can't stand this pain much longer!
I walk in shadows,
Searching for light.
Cold and alone,
No comfort in sight.
Hoping and praying for someone to care,
Always moving and goin' nowhere.
What becomes of the broken hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find,
Some kind of peace of mind.
Help me..
I'm searching though I don't succeed,
For someone's love, there's a growing need.
Oh, he is lost, there's no place for beginning,
All that's left is an unhappy ending.
Now what becomes of the broken-hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find,
Some kind of peace of mind,
I'll be searching everywhere,
Just to find someone to care.
I'll be looking everyday,
I know I'm gonna find a way.
Nothings gonna stop me now,
I'll find a way somehow.
I'll be searching everywhere...


That's it.

Thanks.

Beautiful song.

Do you know the artist?

EireEngineer
08-23-2011, 05:29 PM
Both "Little girl" and "daddy" are colloquialisms for a woman and a male significant other or boyfriend, especially in the vernacular of Springsteen's generation.:D

DrIanWood
08-29-2011, 07:28 PM
Now a days the connection between the Illuminati and Hip Hop's satanic
messages through imagery are far beyond obvious. I've been intrigued
as well as skeptical about the whole thing, I may have very well been
"hood winked." I began to look deeper into this and have noticed many
strange patterns in who became popular at what times and what
transitions their image went through around that time. When I began
to really do my homework my results we're astounding. I was able to
correlate some of hip hop's biggest stars such as: Eminem, Fat Joe,
Nas, Kanye West, Rick Ross and Lil Wayne. This worried me to death
considering my 15 year son listens to more than half of these artists.
Not to mention the new ones such as Tyler the Creator and Kadeve who
is named after Egyptian Kings. The undeniable amount of praise to the
Egyptian Sun God Amon Ra is becoming extremely difficult to disregard
as conspiracy. My question: What is the reasoning and main agenda of
this? Should we really be concerned with the subliminal messages our
children could be receiving through the music? Or am I just a nut job
conspiracist now?


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11-14-2011, 09:53 AM
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Also,

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love2
03-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Now a days the connection between the Illuminati and Hip Hop's satanic
messages through imagery are far beyond obvious. I've been intrigued
as well as skeptical about the whole thing, I may have very well been
"hood winked." I began to look deeper into this and have noticed many
strange patterns in who became popular at what times and what
transitions their image went through around that time. When I began
to really do my homework my results we're astounding. I was able to
correlate some of hip hop's biggest stars such as: Eminem, Fat Joe,
Nas, Kanye West, Rick Ross and Lil Wayne. This worried me to death
considering my 15 year son listens to more than half of these artists.
Not to mention the new ones such as Tyler the Creator and Kadeve who
is named after Egyptian Kings. The undeniable amount of praise to the
Egyptian Sun God Amon Ra is becoming extremely difficult to disregard
as conspiracy. My question: What is the reasoning and main agenda of
this? Should we really be concerned with the subliminal messages our
children could be receiving through the music? Or am I just a nut job
conspiracist now?


http://soundcloud.com/kadeve-daking/kadeve-hood-anthem-ft-maad (http://soundcloud.com/kadeve-daking/kadeve-hood-anthem-ft-maad%5B/url%5D) your not a not job...what you are seeing and hearing is correct...differently not good for the children and yes its with the hip hop and the pop

love2
03-05-2012, 09:23 AM
Part 1: The Truth On The Illuminati! (1/2) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4V7zLgw5A&feature=channel_video_title)

Also,

EyeTruthTv's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/EyeTruthTv?feature=mhee#p/u/0/XP0uET_SWEk)

This man explains the truth behind the illuminati along with other conspiracies.

Check him out, he'll answer your questions if you
ask him and stuff.

Subscribe to him as well and share to spread the word!

youtube.com/EyeTruthTvnice vid...yep sounds correct..however i had know idea about princess di...

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redrat11
01-31-2014, 09:04 AM
I would like to say that Blue Angel-whoever she is, was 100% Correct! Everything about the Music Industry is being LAID BARE for all to see. ONLY a Imbecile would think otherwise, this is not to say that there are in fact alot of decent music artist who HAVE NOT sold there soul to the DEVIL.

Moderators should allow BA back to enlighten humanity regarding the music industry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-54LNFDolc&sns=em

Christian artists skip, walk out of ‘satanic’ Grammy Awards show

Scantily-clad singers, same-sex “marriages” set to anti-Christian lyrics, simulated sex acts and a performance full of demonic imagery by pop star Katy Perry were just a few on-stage stunts that seemed designed to offend Christian believers.BY KIRSTEN ANDERSEN

LOS ANGELES, January 28, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Sunday night’s Grammy Awards show was all about shock value.* Scantily-clad singers, same-sex “marriages” set to anti-Christian lyrics, simulated sex acts and a performance full of demonic imagery by pop star Katy Perry – who used to be Christian artist Katy Hudson – were just a few of the on-stage stunts that seemed custom-designed to offend Christian believers.While most of the industry insiders in attendance cheered the provocative displays, at least a few decided they’d had enough, as one Christian nominee walked out in the middle of the show, and one Grammy award winner refused to show up at all.“We left the Grammys early,” Christian gospel singer Natalie Grant announced via Twitter. “I’ve many thoughts, most of which are probably better left inside my head. But I’ll say this: I’ve never been more honored to sing about Jesus and for Jesus. And I’ve never been more sure of the path I’ve chosen.”After social media caught fire over Grant’s decision to walk out of the show, with many homosexuals accusing her of ‘hate,’ Grant responded via*Facebook.“I NEVER said I left during any particular performance,” Grant wrote. “I only said I left early. I never pointed out any one particular performance, I only said I had many thoughts about the entire show, which were best left inside my head and that is where they will stay. So those who say I condemned one performance but then condoned others clearly did not read the post.”“I will never stand on a street corner and wave a sign, I won't use my platform to engage in political arguments that will only divide and not unite,” she said. “I do have my own personal convictions that I live by, and I will continue to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord. (Philippians 2:12)”Christian singer-songwriter Mandisa won two Grammys for "Best Christian Contemporary Music Album" and "Best Contemporary Christian Music Song", but she was not in attendance Sunday night.* *“Both times I have gone to the Grammys I have witnessed performances I wish I could erase from my memory, and yes, I fast forwarded through several performances this year,” the artist explained in aFacebook post.* “I knew that submerging myself into an environment that celebrates those things was risky for me at this time.”“Perhaps being alone with [Jesus] as my name was announced was protecting myself from where my flesh would have tried to drag me had I been up on that stage,” she added.Neither artist specified exactly which performances offended them, but a likely contender was Perry’s performance of “Dark Horse,” which featured the ex-Christian singer performing what appeared to be witchcraft as she pole danced around an inverted broom, surrounded by flames and demons.* Perry’s performance gave even the secular media pause, as E! Online*tweeted, “Um, did we just witness actual witchcraft during Katy Perry's #Grammys performance?”Other possible sources of concern for Christian viewers and attendees included Macklemore’s performance of the homosexual anthem “Same Love” – during which 33 couples, many of them gay and lesbian,*got legally married*in a ceremony officiated by Queen Latifah while Perry caught the bouquet – and a performance early in the evening by husband-wife duo Beyoncé and Jay-Z in which Beyoncé wore little more than a thong leotard and simulated sex acts with a chair, her husband, and herself.Even celebrities who didn’t attend the awards commented on the inappropriate displays.*“Is it just me or are some of the Grammy performances so far seem to be really demonic?? [sic]”*tweetedformer University of Alabama quarterback A.J. McCarron.* “Looks like there is a lot of evil in the world.”Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh*agreed, quoting McCarron on his show Monday and adding, “It was horrible, it was despicable.”* He slammed the awards show for featuring Katy Perry “dressed as a witch and burned at the stake” and criticized Macklemore’s lyrics, which “openly attacked right-wing conservatives and Christians.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUvE4IyOjM0&feature=youtube_gdata_player



Do you people need more proof?


http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/2014-grammy-awards-still-pushing-illuminati-agenda/

The 2014 Grammy Awards: Still Pushing the Illuminati Agenda

The 2014 Grammy Awards featured a black magic witchcraft ritual disguised as a Katy Perry performance. Surprised? You shouldn’t be. This has been going on for years. We’ll look at the Illuminati Agenda pushed in the 2014 Grammy Awards.


This year’s Grammy Awards apparently had something for everyone. While old-school rockers might have enjoyed seeing Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Willie Nelson and Metallica performing live, it is the current industry puppets who reach the youth. And it is their performances that are riddled with symbolism and messages. Unlike the older singers, the performances given by Beyoncé, Katy Perry, and even Mackelmore, were not strictly about the music. Their performances were vehicles to push the Illuminati-sponsored Agenda.











http://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/christian-artists-skip-walk-out-of-satanic-grammy-awards-show

redrat11
03-18-2014, 08:19 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlsBObg-1BQ&sns=em



Adele


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele

Adele Laurie Blue Adkins[1]*MBE*(born 5 May 1988), widely known with the*mononym*Adele, is an English singer, songwriter, musician, and*multi-instrumentalist. Adele was offered a recording contract from*XL Recordings*after a friend posted her demo on*Myspace*in 2006. The next year she received the*Brit Awards*"Critics' Choice" award and won the*BBC*Sound of 2008. Her debut album,*19, was released in 2008 to commercial and critical success. It certified four times platinum in the UK, and double platinum in the US.[2][3]*Her career in the US was boosted by a*Saturday Night Liveappearance in late 2008. At the*2009 Grammy Awards, Adele received the awards for*Best New Artist*and*Best Female Pop Vocal Performance.[4]Adele released her second album,*21, in early 2011.[5][6]*The album was well received critically and surpassed the success of her début,[7]*earning the singer six*Grammy Awards*in 2012 including*Album of the Year, equalling the record for most*Grammy Awards won by a female artist in one night.[8]*The album has also led to her*receiving numerous other awards, including two*Brit Awards*and threeAmerican Music Awards. The album has been certified 16 times platinum in the UK;[2]*in the US the album has held the top position longer than any other album since 1985, and is*certified Diamond.[9][10][11]*According to the*IFPI, the album has sold over 26 million copies worldwide.[12]The success of*21*earned Adele numerous mentions in the*Guinness World Records. She is the first artist to sell more than 3 million copies of an album in a year in the UK.[13]*With her two albums and the first two singles from*21, "Rolling in the Deep" and "Someone Like You", she became the first living artist to achieve the feat of having two top-five hits in both the UK Official Singles Chart and the Official Albums Chart simultaneously since*The Beatles*in 1964.[14]With her third release from the album, "Set Fire to the Rain", which became her third number one single in the US, Adele became the first artist in history to lead the*Billboard*200 concurrently with three*BillboardHot 100 number-ones.[15]Adele is the first female in the history of the*BillboardHot 100 to have three singles in the top 10 at the same time as a lead artist, and the first female artist to have two albums in the top five of the*Billboard200 and two singles in the top five of the*BillboardHot 100 simultaneously.[16]*21*is the longest running number one album by a female solo artist on the UK and US Albums Chart.[17][18]*In 2011 and 2012,Billboard*named Adele Artist of the Year.[19][20]*In 2012, Adele was listed at number five on*VH1's 100 Greatest Women in Music,[21]*and the American magazine*Time*named Adele one of the most influential people in the world.[22]*In 2013, she received an*Academy Award*as well as a*Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song*for her song "Skyfall", written for the twenty-third*James Bond film*of the same name.[23]

Early Life


Adele Laurie Blue Adkins was born in*Tottenham, north London, England, to Penny Adkins, an English teenager, and Mark Evans, a Welshman, on 5 May 1988. Evans walked out when Adele was two, leaving her 20-year-old mother to raise her single-handedly,[24]*for which Adele has still not forgiven him.[25][26]*She began singing at age four and asserts that she became obsessed with voices.[27][28]*Adele has cited the*Spice Girls*as a major influence in regard to her love and passion for music, stating that "they made me what I am today."[29]*Adele impersonated the Spice Girls at dinner parties as a young girl.[30]*To make her look like English R&B and urban contemporary singer*Gabrielle, her mother made an eye patch with sequins, which Adele later said was embarrassing.[31]*At the age of nine, Adele and her mother, a furniture-maker and adult learning activities organiser, relocated to*Brighton.[32]Two years later, she and her mother moved back to London; first to*Brixton, and then to neighbouring district*West Norwood, in south London.[33]*West Norwood is the subject for Adele's first record, "Hometown Glory", written when she was 16.[34]*After moving to south London, she became interested inR&B*artists such as*Aaliyah,*Destiny's Child*andMary J. Blige.[35]Adele says that one of the most defining moments in her life was when she watched*Pink*perform atBrixton Academy. "It was the*Missundaztood*record, so I was about 13 or 14. I had never heard, being in the room, someone sing like that live [...] I remember sort of feeling like I was in a*wind tunnel, her voice just hitting me. It was incredible."[36][37]Aged 14, Adele discovered*Etta James*and*Ella Fitzgerald*by accident as she stumbled on the artists' CDs in the jazz section of her local music store and was struck by their appearance on the album covers.[34]*Adele states she "started listening to Etta James every night for an hour", and in the process was getting "to know my own voice."[34]*Adele graduated from the*BRIT School for Performing Arts & Technology*in Croydon in May 2006,[38]*where she was a classmate of*Leona Lewis*and*Jessie J.[1][39]Adele credits the school with nurturing her talent[40]even though at the time she was more interested in going into*A&R*and hoped to launch other people's careers.[1]


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The 2012 Grammy Awards took place in a horrible context:*the wake of the sudden, mysterious death of Whitney Houston.*The show went on nevertheless … but not without a great deal of strange symbols and events that made one thing very clear: There is a definite dark side to the entertainment business. We will look at the facts surrounding Whitney Houston’s death, the symbolic elements of the 2012 Grammy Awards (including Nikki Minaj’s ritualistic performance) and see how the ceremony turned into another mega-ritual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdcD22VrAU&sns=em

I had a feeling that in 2012 the occult agenda of the entertainment industry would be kicked in high gear. I was right: In the span of a week, the most important night in sports (the Superbowl – see the article about it*here) and music (the Grammys) were infused with ritualistic elements witnessed by millions of viewers. While the Superbowl half-time show lasted only 13 minutes, the ritual surrounding the Grammys lasted for days and its aftermath is still going on as odd facts and accounts regarding Whitney Houston continue to surface in the media.This article will list several facts and events that took place before, during and after the Grammy Awards that have a symbolic significance in the grand scheme of things. While some of the facts mentioned here might have been the result of coincidence or poor timing, they still came together in one big, classic case of*synchronicity. In other words, apparent coincidences sometimes reveal an underlying pattern behind events.“Carl Jung described synchronicity as ” the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance and that are observed to occur together in a meaningful manner. Synchronistic events reveal an underlying pattern, a conceptual framework that encompasses, but is larger than, any of the systems that display the synchronicity. Concurrent events that first appear to be coincidental but later turn out to be causally related are termed incoincident.”When we look at the facts and the occurrences surrounding Whitney Houston’s death coupled with the symbolic elements of the 2012 Grammy awards, the entire “event” has the looks of an occult ritual, complete with a blood sacrifice, a celebration and even a “re-birth”. Some of the things described below were pre-planned, while others were possibly just odd coincidences. However, the overwhelming and almost palpable energy emanating from the 2012 Grammys definitely made some things align in a synchronistic fashion. Let’s look at the most significant events that happened during that fateful weekend.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/whitney-houston-and-the-2012-grammy-awards-mega-ritual/


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Strange Facts Surrounding Whitney Houston’s Death




If you read other articles on this site, you probably noticed that everything surrounding Whitney Houston’s is astonishingly on-par with other celebrity “sacrifices”. Accounts of strange events before the death, bizarre behavior of the authorities when the death was discovered, conflicting reports, vagueness surrounding the cause of the death and, to top it off, a worrying “response” from the music industry through the Grammys. Her case followed the same pattern as several other celebrity deaths that were blamed on drugs* despite many conflicting reports. As it was the case for these other celebrities, the media almost automatically launched a campaign depicting Whitney as a hopeless drug addict. Maybe she was a drug addict, but that might only be the tip of the iceberg … a symptom of the true illness that killed Whitney: the music business.

Strange Events

As in the cases of Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse, Heath Ledger, Brittany Murphy and many others, bizarre events preceded and followed the death of Whitney Houston. After reviewing all of those accounts, one cannot help but wonder: Was Whitney’s death truly an accident or was it a deliberate sacrifice planned by “unseen forces”? While most media reports drum into people’s heads that “Whitney Houston = Drugs”, some sources reveal other details that might lead to other paths of thinking. Here’s Roger Friedman’s account of things that happened at the Beverly Hilton on February 11th:

Whitney’s Death: An Earlier Incident?

Whitney Houston’s death made for a long day’s journey into night at the Beverly Hilton. While the Clive Davis Grammy dinner had to proceed downstairs in the ballroom–with 800 guests already filing in as the news was breaking–Whitney remained in state, so to speak, in her fourth floor suite. She was not removed until just moments before the party ended–a little after midnight. She’d been in the suite, discovered in her bathtub. But there were many people in the suite when this happened at 3:50pm including her daughter Bobbi Kristina, her brother Gary, sister in law Pat Houston, and another player in this story — a nightlife friend who’d been guiding her around town the last few days as she was photographed in states of duress.What you don’t know is that around 11pm, paramedics were called back to the fourth floor. Security and police raced back to the 4th floor. A medical wheelchair with restraints was brought in through the back entrance to the hotel. Bobbi Kristina “freaked out”–well, she’d been upstairs for hours with her mother’s dead body in the next room. It was understandable. The paramedics thought they were going to to have to take her to the hospital. But calm was restored. For ten minutes, though, security cleared the entire lobby of the hotel while the concert was going on inside the ballroom. I was out there at that moment, and it was one of the strangest scenes ever.Then there’s the mysterious story of a leak that occurred the night before from Whitney’s group of suites. A man on the third floor right underneath Houston’s suite suddenly experienced water cascading into his bathroom from above at 2:30am. It wasn’t just a trickle. The man called security, then went upstairs to the fourth floor to see what was going on. He swears to me that it was Whitney’s bathtub that was overflowing. He also says that a flat screen television had been been broken–the screen was smashed. My sources at the hotel say there was*a “leak” but that it wasn’t from Whitney’s room. “They [her group] have a lot of rooms up there,” says the hotel source. My source, this man, insists that he was told it was Whitney Houston’s room. It does seem to have been part of her group of rooms.



The Number 11





When dealing with occult rituals, numerology takes on a primordial importance. In the case of Whitney Houston, the number 11 is definitely a factor. In elite occult circles, the number 11 is a “master number” (it cannot be reduced) and, because it exceeds the number 10 (the number of perfection) by 1, it is usually associated with bad foreboding and black magic. Qabbalists associate the number 11 with transgression of the law, rebellion, war, sin, sorcery and martyrdom.For this reason, the occult elite often associates mega-rituals involving sacrifice with the number 11. What was the massive mega-ritual of the modern times? September 11th – involving the Twin Towers. At what exact time do we “remember” WWI soldiers who sacrificed their lives for their rulers? At the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month – Veterans Day, aka Remembrance Day.Going further than the date of her death, another link associates Whitney and her death with Lady Gaga and previous Grammy awards. As some know, Lady Gaga had close ties with fashion designer Alexander McQueen, who was no stranger to occult and mind control symbolism in his work. McQueen died on February 11th, 2010.During the 2011 Grammy Awards, Gaga stated about her song “Born This Way”:“I need to thank Whitney Houston. I wanted to thank Whitney, because when I wrote ‘Born this Way,’ I imagined she was singing it – because I wasn’t secure enough in myself to imagine I was a superstar. So, Whitney, I imagined you were singing ‘Born This Way’ when I wrote it.”“Born This Way” was released on February 11th, 2011. Exactly one year later, Whitney Houston dies on February 11th, 2012. Did Gaga (or her handlers) know something that the rest of us didn’t? Her outfit evidently shows that death was on her mind. Another little fact: Whitney’s room number was 434 – which in Qabbalistic numerology equals 11 (4+3+4).

Statements from Industry Veterans



Who is better placed than artists who have worked in the music industry for years to provide insightful takes on the death of Whitney Houston? They obviously do not hold the ultimate truth and they might just be trying to make sense of things like the rest of us, but they have first -and experience when it comes to the workings of the music industry.During an interview on Good Morning America, industry giant Celine Dion bluntly blamed the “bad influence” of show business for Whitney’s death. She even stated that you “have to be afraid” of show business.“It’s just really unfortunate that drugs, bad people or bad influence took over. It took over her dreams.* It took over her love and motherhood. When you think about Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe and Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse, to get into drugs like that, for whatever reason. Is it because of the stress and bad influence? What happens when you have everything? What happens when you have love, support, the family, motherhood? You have responsibilities of a mother and then something happens and it destroys everything. That’s why I don’t do parties and I don’t hang out. That’s why I’m not part of show business. We have to be afraid. I’ve always said you have to have fun and do music and you can never be part of show business because you don’t what it’s going to get yourself into. You have to do your work and get out of there.”- Source: Vancouver SunIs Celine Dion’s avoidance of show business the reason she manages to be relatively scandal-free?Another legendary diva, Chaka Khan, was even more direct when explaining the true cause of Whitney’s death. During an interview with Piers Morgan, she stated:“I think we all, as artists, because we’re highly sensitive people, and this machine around us, this so-called ‘music industry,’ is such a demonic thing. It’s sacrifices people’s lives and their essences at the drop of a dime … I had a manager once say to me, ‘ You know you’re worth more money dead than alive.’I mean, I’ve cried for her, a lot over the years, so many times. In a way I’ve mourned her, because I felt something was gonna happen because she was so close to the wire.”- Source:*EonlineWas Chaka Khan exaggerating when using the terms “demonic” and “sacrifice” when describing the music industry? Judging by the symbolism found at the Grammy awards, she was probably right on the dot.

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US jazz musicians were drafted into the CIA’s MKULTRA
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by Jon Rappoport

US Jazz musicians were drafted into CIA’s MKULTRA

by Jon Rappoport

March 24, 2014

www.nomorefakenews.com



Here is a bit of US history that shows the reach of the CIA’s infamous mind-control program, MKULTRA.

During the 1940s and 50s, it was common knowledge that musicians who were busted for drug use were shipped, or volunteered to go, to Lexington, Kentucky. Lex was the first Narcotics Farm and US Health Dept. drug treatment hospital in the US.

According to diverse sources, here’s a partial list of the reported “hundreds” of jazz musicians who went to Lex: Red Rodney, Sonny Rollins, Chet Baker, Sonny Stitt, Howard McGhee, Elvin Jones, Zoot Sims, Lee Morgan, Tadd Dameron, Stan Levey, Jackie McLean.

It’s also reported that Ray Charles was there, and William Burroughs, Peter Lorre, and Sammy Davis, Jr.

It was supposed to be a rehab center. A place for drying out.

But it was something else too. Lex was used by the CIA as one of its MKULTRA centers for experimentation on inmates.

The doctor in charge of this mind control program was Harris Isbell. Ironically, Isbell was, at the same time, a member of the FDA’s Advisory Committee on the Abuse of Depressant and Stimulant Drugs.

Isbell gave LSD and other psychedelics to inmates at Lex.

At Sandoz labs in Switzerland, Dr. Albert Hofmann, the discoverer of LSD, also synthesized psilocybin from magic mushrooms. The CIA got some of this new synthetic from Hofmann and gave it to Isbell so he could try it out on inmates at Lex.

MKULTRA was a CIA program whose goal was to control minds…in part through the use of drugs.

Isbell worked at Lex from the 1940s through 1963. It is reported that in one experiment, Isbell gave LSD to 7 inmates for 77 consecutive days. At 4 times the normal dosage. That is a chemical hammer of incredible proportions.

To induce inmates to join this drug experiment, they were offered the drug of their choice, which in many cases was heroin. So at a facility dedicated to drying out and rehabbing addicts, addicts were subjected to MKULTRA experiments and THEN a re-establishment of their former habit.

Apparently as many as 800 different drugs were sent to Isbell by the CIA or CIA fronts to use on patients at Lex. Two of the fronts? The US Navy and the US National Institute of Mental Health.

In another MKULTRA experiment at Lex, nine men were strapped down on tables. They were injected with psilocybin. Lights were beamed at their eyes–a typical mind control component.

During Isbell’s tenure, no one knows how many separate experiments he ran on the inmates. No one knows what other mind-control programming he attempted to insert along with the drugs.

As I say, Lex was the main stop for drying out for NY jazz musicians. How many of them were taken into these MKULTRA programs?

As Martin Lee explains in his book, Acid Dreams, “It became an open secret…that if the [heroin] supply got tight [on the street], you could always commit yourself to Lexington, where heroin and morphine were doled out as payment if you volunteered for Isbell’s whacky drug experiments. (Small wonder Lexington had a return rate of 90%.)”

A June 15, 1999, Counterpunch article by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair, “CIA’s Sidney Gottlieb: Pusher, Assassin & Pimp— US Official Poisoner Dies,” contains these quotes on Dr. Isbell:

“Gottlieb also funded the experiments of Dr. Harris Isbell. Isbell ran the Center for Addiction Research in Lexington, Kentucky. Passing through Isbell’s center was a captive group of human guinea pigs in the form of a steady stream of black heroin addicts. More than 800 different chemical compounds were shipped from Gottlieb to Lexington for testing on Isbell’s patients.

“Perhaps the most infamous experiment came when Isbell gave LSD to seven black men for seventy-seven straight days. Isbell’s research notes indicates that he gave the men ‘quadruple’ the ‘normal’ dosages. The doctor marveled at the men’s apparent tolerance to these remarkable amounts of LSD. Isbell wrote in his notes that ‘this type of behavior is to be expected in patients of this type.’

“In other Gottlieb-funded experiment at the Center, Isbell had nine black males strapped to tables, injected them with psylocybin, inserted rectal thermometers, had lights shown in their eyes to measure pupil dilation and had their joints whacked to test neural reactions.”