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06-11-2007, 07:29 AM
I am only going to say this ONCE.

YOU had better cease and desist from targeting your secret, silent, invisible, energy directed, electromagnetic "star wars" weapons on me and my family members!

As a child, symptoms would present and then "magically" disappear. Silence, neutralize and containment measures. A "sickly" child it was said.

I will not list here some of the SYMPTOMS that have been present and are present in me and/or any of my family members.

I will just repeat it again.

You had better cease and desist!

06-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Let's see if this works. The link to the Secret Garden video:

vh1.com/vspot/player.jhtml?vid=60443&launchedfrom+/shows/dyn/storytellers/90825/episode_videos.jhtml (vh1.com/vspot/player.jhtml?vid=60443&launchedfrom=/shows/dyn/storytellers/90825/episode_videos.jhtml)

06-11-2007, 09:28 AM
In most cases, mind control victims are programmed to suicide upon the sight and/or sound of their handlers/controllers after such time as they are no longer incarcerated.

As I've stated, my "suicide programming" kicked in after I saw him shortly after 911 on a television benefit for the "terrorist attack."

Something just came to mind. On the unofficial site, there is a thread devoted to pictures of him.

The title is "How can a poor fan stand such pics and live?"

Very strange title, indeed. You mean, fans look at his pictures and want to DIE!?!

06-11-2007, 09:56 AM
Helicopter flies overhead! No big deal, right?

Found this on HIS unofficial site posted shortly after my last post:

? Wrote
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 2254
Location: my own head
Posted: Jun 11, 2007 11:44 am
Post subject: Re: To all of you Michael Moore critics …

? wrote:
I cannot wait to hear your criticisms of this one ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJyyyRYbSk

What is this love affair you lefties have with Michael Moore?

Had this been his first film, I'll gar-and-dang-tyaa it wouldn't even show up on Blockbusters "Films To Watch When Considering Suicide" list.

Bonus: Have any of you figured out that the Grateful Dead really suck too?


06-11-2007, 10:00 AM
Found this comment on his unofficial site on the "How Can a Poor Fan Stand Such Pics and Live" thread shortly after I posted about it.


Hey, look the man on the right, he seems to be free ......him ....

TAKE NOTE: The man on the right is Springsteen. The wording "he seems to be free" follwed by .....and then the word HIM....means, FREE HIM. To do so, I would have to suicide.

06-11-2007, 10:38 AM
They want me to suicide to FREE HIM!!!!


But, true!

I have said this before. They desired an emotional breakdown through psychological operations and an institutionalization while I was on HIS site.

This did not occur.

SUICIDE is what they will continue to hope for, but suicide will NEVER HAPPEN.

How sick!!!

This underscores the seriousness of the matter that I have brought to light regarding "Mind Control within the Music Industry" and Bruce Springsteen as my main handler/controller when I was a "little girl" and used as a sex slave.

I AM FREE! I could care less if they chain and shackle you.

Praise Jesus!

06-11-2007, 12:26 PM
When ONE is in an altered state of consciousness, perception is not fine-tuned.

I spent some time there.

Thankfully, I can now look at his pictures, listen to his songs (other musician's songs as well) and not "react" in the way that I was programmed to.

My perception is not what they wanted it to be; infatuation; sexual desire; hero; fantastic singer and guitar player and genuis lyricist.

My perception is now the opposite.

Mediocre singer; mediocre guitar player and you've read them yourself; an okay lyricist at best with videos and themes that are disgusting. I must also include some of his induction speeches of other musician's into the Hall of Fame in my review.

I say this not because of the experiences I suffered in the past; those are a complete and separate matter, but because my perception is not altered.

I am not tranced as I suspect many of his fans are. Not just his fans, either, but the fans of many bands/musicians.

They have a way, you know of altering one's perception!

06-11-2007, 12:28 PM
Just testing something!

06-11-2007, 01:24 PM
Long Time Comin'
Bruce Springsteen

Out where the creek turn shallow and sandy
And the moon comes skimmin' away the stars
When the mesquite comes rushin' over the hilltops
Straight into my arms
Straight into my arms

I'm ridin' hard carryin' a cache of roses
A fresh map that I made
Now I'm gonna get birth naked and bury my old soul
And dance on it's grave
And dance on it's grave

It's been a long time comin', my dear
It's been a long time comin', but now it's here
And now it's here

Well my daddy he was just a stranger
Lived in a hotel downtown
Well when I was a kid he was just somebody
Somebody I'd see around
Somebody I'd see around

Well now down below and pullin' on my shirt
Yeah I got some kids of my own
Well if I had one wish for you in this god forsaken world, kid
It'd be that your mistakes will be your own
That your sins will be your own

It's been a long time comin', my dear
It's been a long time comin', but now it's here
And now it's here


Out 'neath the arms of Cassiopeia*
Where the sword of Orion sweeps
It's me and you, Rosie, cracklin' like crossed wires
And you breathin' in your sleep
And you breathin' in your sleep

Well there's just a spark of a campfire left burnin'
Two kids in a sleeping bag beside
Reach 'neath your shirt, put my hands across your belly and feel
Another one kickin' inside
And I ain't gonna fuck it up this time

It's been a long time comin', my dear
It's been a long time comin', but now it's here
It's been a long time comin', my dear
It's been a long time comin', but now it's here

What's been a long time comin' and now its here?

Was Springsteen's daddy really a stranger who lived in a hotel?

Everybody's sins are their own and everybody's mistakes are their own, unless as was my case I was forced to SIN. But, if you sold your soul to the devil, THEY'RE YOUR OWN and if you don't force your kids into the same life, their sins and mistakes will be their own!!

Here you go. ROSIE surfaces again. Is this Rosie from Rosalita (BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN), is this "Cracklin' Rosie (NEIL DIAMOND), is this "Here Comes Old Rosie (BOB SEGER)?

This song was written when HE was married to Patti. Who in the hell is ROSIE? Care to tell us? Good thing Rosie's breathin' in her sleep.

He's got some kids of his own. Are these the same two kids sleeping next to him and Rosie?

Rosie is pregnant! WHAT?????

He's not gonna f**k what up this time?

06-11-2007, 02:06 PM
WASHINGTON - The anti-poverty campaign founded by U2 rocker Bono and others are investing $30 million to pressure the presidential candidates to focus on the oft-forgotten issue, with its leaders arguing on Monday that helping the poor is a national security issue.

They're investing 30 million dollars in what? Lobbyists? Just what we need!! More lobbyists!!! How do they intend to pressure presidential candidates if not with lobbyists? Help the poor or we won't record anymore cds.

Dubbed ONE Vote '08, the bipartisan political push aims to get President Bush's successor to commit to taking concrete steps to combat hunger and disease while improving access to education and water across the globe.

Across the globe? They suppress across the globe. How 'bout pressuring them to stop that first? How 'bout taking care of our own before we tackle the world's problems.

"People do not go to war with people who have saved their children's lives," former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., told reporters at a church in the nation's capital.

So, is he saying we're saving the lives of children in Iraq and Afghanistan? How 'bout we address the acts of war and suppresion first by the Banksters that lead to poverty, ill health, bad drinking water and poor education?

Frist is co-chair of the effort to mobilize activists to pressure the 18 or more presidential aspirants through the media and grass-roots work. The other co-chair also is a former Senate Majority leader, Democrat Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

Come on! How do you mobilize activists to pressure presidential aspirants to take-up their agenda? Bribes?

"Some of the most vivid memories of our experience (in Congress) didn't happen in Washington, they happened in Africa," Daschle said. "It is incumbent on all of us to recognize that this must be a key part of national domestic security."

If these Presidential contenders can't see what is needed unless a group of musicians, entertainers enlightens them, they shouldn't be running in the first place.

Created in 2004 by rocker Bono and the country's leading anti-poverty groups, the ONE organization counts 2.5 million members from across the political spectrum and all 50 states. The organization has attracted high-profile support from a wide range of celebrities, including Brad Pitt and Matt Damon. Until now, the focus has been on raising awareness of global poverty and encouraging activists to lobby Congress to devote more money to the cause.

Now, the mission will include mobilizing activists. Among the donors: the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

For months, scores of volunteers wearing black-and-white ONE T-shirts and carrying placards have been attending presidential debates and some campaign events by Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) and other Democrats, as well as Republicans such as John McCain (news, bio, voting record) and Mitt Romney.

Activity will only increase in the coming months, with town-hall-style events, mailings, a celebrity bus tour and TV advertisements.

For now, the focus is on the early primary states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. But the effort eventually will be expanded to the more than dozen states holding contests on Feb. 5, and will continue through the general election.

At least one candidate, Democrat John Edwards, has focused on combatting poverty, heading an anti-poverty center in North Carolina in recent years.

In the fall, the group will ask candidates to sign a pledge and embrace a platform that lays out concrete steps to:

_Fight HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria.

_Improve child and maternal health.

_Increase access to basic education, particularly for girls.

_Provide access to clean water and sanitation.

_Reduce by half the number of people worldwide who suffer from hunger.

They're going to ask candidates to sign a pledge? ?

06-11-2007, 02:32 PM
Another "love song" duet. Springsteen and Michael Stipe.

"Because the Night" belongs to lovers!

06-11-2007, 09:52 PM
Here, I have an idea. Why don't these people take their 30 million dollars and infuse it into a poor neighborhood like North Philadelphia and see what happens!

The root of the problem does not lie with our wanna-be-presidents signing some promissory note to help the starving people of the world.

The root of the problem is the stranglehold they place upon societies throughout the globe in areas that are rich in natural resources.

The welfare conditions they have created in the African American communities.

America is not rich in natural resources. She has been USED just as Israel has been used to further the NWO.

Soon, Americans may be starving, infected with diseases. Don't you see it? Autism has been predicated to affect nearly 1 in every 50 children without a known cause. They must have a crystal ball.

The heirarchy must be dismantled before any people's in the world will be spiritually and truly FREE individuals.

You don't see that they are killing people in Iraq based on LIES???

If they can kill without just cause for their own prosperity, do you seriously believe they want to stop famine around the world?

They are funding their war through price gauging at the gas pumps.

Oh, these musicians who connect themselves with charitable causes to look like some do gooders really get my goat.

Bono hangs with the Prez; the Edge hugs Clinton, Springsteen hangs with Kerry.


Are they GAY?

What have these musicians ever done to change the world for the better?

The answer is NOTHING!!

They've been at it for decades. Singing their politically laced songs; some of them.

What has it changed?


Has it stopped their agenda?


They are a part of the agenda.

Bono should take his 30 million or whatever part of it he has contributed, and put it where the sun don't shine.

He's one of THEM!

I just learned that Cheryl Crow developed breast cancer from drinking bottled water left in her car in the heat. Supposedly, the heat melts the plastic and releases chemicals into the water.

Women have been advised not to practice this.

If these chemicals have been found in breast tissue, why then can't these chemicals produce cancer in other parts of the body and in males as well?

Cheryl Crow. The woman who said one sheet of toilet tissue should suffice when one uses a public restroom.

The woman who sang a duet with STING about BUTTERFLIES.

Check out some of her lyrics.

06-11-2007, 11:11 PM
I don't care about your life
and I certainly don't care about your wife
i don't care who you're with
I just don't care about you
not one little bit

i don't care if they lock you away
don't care if you never see a sunny day
don't care about what you do
just don't care about 'little boy blue'

the lies that you told
they're all over your face
you're hearts full of pain
your soul's a disgrace

I saw it broken
when I walked through the door
tiny slivers, tiny pieces all over the floor

it broke your heart cause i just wouldn't stay
wouldn't let you control me
thought you'd have it your way

that secret garden you thought you'd own
well, let me tell you
the seeds have been sown
they've grown into what you thought i wouldn't be
and if you look really hard
you won't recognize me

i'm not the person you thought you could shape
not the person you thought you could break
i'm not that "little girl" you once had
I'm a mother, a wife, a friend and a lover
i don't need to hide underneath my covers
i've got a real man who loves me forever
you and your cohorts just birds of the same feather

flocking together
tryin' to weather the storm
cause you know it's been a long time comin'
and now it's here
a long time comin'
and the time is near

06-12-2007, 12:52 AM


Without you, I would not have survived
Without you, I would not be alive
Without you, I would not have found my way
Without you, I would not have seen the light of day;

Without you, I would not have been able to break away;
Without you, I would not have learned to pray;
Without you, I would not have learned to say
his name;

Without you, I would have been lost in the dark
Without you, I would have not been a flame, but a spark;
Without you, I would not be where I am
Without you, I would not have been able to stand;

Without you, I would have lost my soul
Without you, I would have done what I was told;
Without you; I would have sold my life for gold;
Without you; I would not have grown old

Without you, I would not be able to speak
Without you, justice I could not seek;
Without you, I would be a shadow of myself
Without you, I would have been something else;
Without you, I would have crumbled and died
Without you, I would have believed all of HIS lies;

Without you, I would not have been able to fight;
Without you, they would have shut out the light;
Without you, I'd have no guiding force
With you, I was able to divorce
myself from the filth and all that they are
Without you, I would not have made it this far

I am praying right now that you are clapping your hands;
I am praying that we are all in GOD's land;
I am praying for salvation
I am praying for love
I am praying this BlueAngel will receive strength from above

I am praying, I'm praying with all of might
because GOD, as you know, he taught me to fight
I am praying for America
and I am praying for you
for all of your goodness
it will someday shine through

I have broken the chains
I have broken the ties
I have made it once more through all of the lies
I am a BlueAngel and what GOD has set forth
he knows that I'm ready to walk through the door

I am doing his work and when the pearly gates'
I know that he'll be there
and I have nothing to fear;

From all that I was
and all that I am
I thank you, Dear God
as I now take my stand!

You have helped me to free
myself from the chains;
I have finally been able
my life to reclaim
the past that was stolen
my soul no longer beholden
to all that is evil
and all that is sin
my life is redeemed
and it just now begins

My future is cast in front of my eyes
I'm ready and willing
and I wear no disguise

Thank you, my friends
for just as you said
you have been there
right up to the end

06-12-2007, 11:59 AM
Torchlithill wrote:
I think your still in denial of your first hope, may god and his followers have pitty on your so long venture of hope and ventured imagination/

Look, TLH, you sound depressed.

Go over to the "mind control within the music industry" thread, that ought to cheer you up.

Or, put on a Springsteen CD:

That will certainly "lift you up."

Because if you "fall behind, he'll wait for you and if he falls behind, you'll wait for him."

Don't look in his eyes, though, cause he doesn't know who he is and he might be wearing a "brilliant disguise."

He also follows a "code of silence."

He'll "show you courage that you can understand."


He "knows your lonely for the words he ain't spoken, but tonight all the promises will be broken."

BROKEN PROMISES!! Love when promises are broken, don't you?

If you can't keep a promise, I say, don't make it.

It's "you and him and the faith you're bringing into the real world."

"It's gonna take a LEAP OF FAITH, but I'm sure you can do it.

Leap on over!

Yeah, go venture over.

That thread should CHEER YOU RIGHT UP!

Posted on: 2007/6/12 11:57

06-12-2007, 12:19 PM
Sunscreens may improve, but shade kids
June 11, 2007 02:57:00 PM PST

Shade your kids. Strong new evidence suggests overall sun exposure in childhood, not just burns, is a big key to who later develops deadly skin cancer. The news comes as the government is finishing long-awaited rules to improve sunscreens.

The Food and Drug Administration wants sunscreens to be rated not just for how well they block the ultraviolet-B rays that cause sunburn — today's SPF rankings — but for how well they protect against deeper-penetrating ultraviolet-A rays that are linked to cancer and wrinkles.

The proposed rules are undergoing a final review and should be issued in weeks, FDA policy director Jeff Shuren told The Associated Press. Still, sunscreen bottles won't look different any time soon: The proposal will be followed by a public comment period before going into effect.

New research into how the sun and genetics interact points to a possibly more important step consumers can take now to shield their children, and themselves: Check the weather forecast for the day's "UV index" in your town, to learn when to stay indoors or in the shade.

Why? Where you live, not the every-so-often beach vacation, determines most of your UV exposure — that lunchtime stroll, children's school recess or ball practice. UVA can even penetrate window glass. UV levels vary from state to state, even day to day, because of things like altitude, cloud cover and ozone.

"Sunscreen is imperfect," warns Dr. Nancy Thomas, a dermatologist at the University of North Carolina who led the UV research. "Schedule activities when UV irradiation is not quite so high."

Melanoma is the most lethal skin cancer. It will strike almost 60,000 Americans this year, and kill some 8,100. Cases have been on the rise for three decades, and while it usually strikes in the 40s or 50s, doctors are seeing ever-younger cases, occasionally even in children.

Scientists are studying the interaction of genes and UV exposure in melanoma patients in the U.S. and Australia — and initial results suggest staying in the shade in early life is even more important than previously realized.

Thomas analyzed tumor genes from 214 melanoma patients now living in North Carolina. Colleagues at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., used satellite data to track average UV radiation — encompassing both UVA and UVB rays — in the different towns and states where those patients had lived at birth, age 10, age 20 and so on.

The result: Patients with the most common known melanoma mutations, called BRAF mutations, also had the highest UV exposure by age 20. Interestingly, they also had the most moles, another important melanoma risk factor.

What does that mean? It's not clear yet, but young, rapidly growing skin may be particularly vulnerable to damaging UV rays, especially as moles are developing, Thomas says. Or maybe early childhood sun exposure spurs moles to develop in the first place.

While sun exposure for young adults played some role, too, the association with BRAF disappeared at age 30.

But that isn't a license for adults to sunbathe: Another melanoma subtype, characterized by mutations in a gene called NRAS, is strongly linked to UV exposure by age 50, the study found.

Here's the problem: Until recently, sunscreens have filtered out mostly UVB rays that cause sunburns, not UVA rays, meaning people who depended only on sunscreen to prevent skin cancer may have gotten a false sense of security.

Today, many sunscreens promise "broad-spectrum" protection against UVA rays, too. But the government doesn't yet have testing requirements in place to prove that UVA protection.

The term broad-spectrum "means nothing. Anybody can make that claim," says a frustrated Dr. Darrell Rigel of New York University, a past president of the American Academy of Dermatology, which has long pushed to change that.

The soon-to-come FDA proposal will keep the SPF, or "sun protection factor," ratings on sunscreen bottles that refer only to UVB protection — but add a UVA rating, too, says Shuren.

Until then, dermatologist Rigel has some advice:

_Use enough sunscreen. An adult needs the equivalent of a full shot glass, and a young child a good tablespoon-full. Most people put on too thin a coat to get good UVB coverage, much less whatever UVA protection a brand might offer.

_While official recommendations say wear at least an SPF-15 sunscreen daily, a super-high SPF will counter some of the thin-coat problem.

_Products with the ingredient Helioplex — a more sun-stable mix of the sunscreen ingredients avobenzone and oxybenzone — seem to provide longer-lasting UVA protection, although they can be more expensive. Another certified anti-UVA ingredient, Mexoryl, currently is sold only in sunscreen-containing moisturizer in the U.S.; it has long been sold in Europe.

_Apply sunscreen a half-hour before going outside. It takes that long to start working.

_And limit exposure during the peak UV hours of 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.


Overall sun exposure in childhood, not just sunburns, is a big key to who later develops DEADLY SKIN CANCER.

Interesting in that THEY say this is new evidence.

If my memory serves me correctly and it does, on this thread several weeks ago, I wrote about being exposed to different forms of light while in MKULTRA/Project Monarch because I wouldn't KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT.

THEY were going to produce a deadly skin cancer that would show up "over time" and accelerate the aging process.

These "light forms" were said to be much more harmful than the sun's rays.

I am now treating my arms and face for the damage that was done to my skin.

And, they just discovered this new evidence!!

Excuse my, profanity, please, as I wipe the tears from my eyes!

I am human, you BASTARDS!

06-12-2007, 12:48 PM
Waitin' on a Sunny Day
Bruce Springsteen

It's rainin' but there ain't a cloud in the sky
Musta been a tear from your eye
Everything'll be okay
Funny thought I felt a sweet summer breeze
Musta been you sighin' so deep
Don't worry we're gonna find a way

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Without you I'm workin' with the rain fallin' down
Half a party in a one dog town
I need you to chase the blues away
Without you I'm a drummer girl that can't keep a beat
And ice cream truck on a deserted street
I hope that you're coming to stay

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Hard times baby, well they come to us all
Sure as the tickin' of the clock on the wall
Sure as the turnin' of the night into day
Your smile girl, brings the mornin' light to my eyes
Lifts away the blues when I rise
I hope that you're coming to stay


Who is he talking about in this song? His former wife, his present wife?

Did Patti leave and he hopes that she's comin' to stay?

He and Patti are worried about something, but they're going to find a way.

Cause he's waitin' on a Sunny Day.

Without WHOM is he just a party in a one dog town?

WHOM does he need to chase the blues away?

When was this song written?

Before he was married, while he was married, in between marriages, which was a short period.

I don't know. Don't even feel like looking for the date.

Just wondering cause he's singing this song with his wife on stage.

Maybe it's just an audience grabber, as they say.

I know, his fans think he wants them to come stay with him.

Is that it?

Can't tell you how many times this song was referenced while I was on his site.

I'm not worried and I found my way.

06-12-2007, 01:59 PM
The song, "Waitin' on a Sunny Day" with the verse, "don't worry, we're gonna find a way," reminds me of something I said in an email.

I think I was questioning the PLAN. Like, how is this going to come about. You don't have a plan and on a thread the message was posted.

"You know I would have had to."

Oh, certainly, I know you would have had to, but at that point, as I detected, the plan was to emotionally traumatize me, psychologically abuse, sexually trigger me, control me, etc., etc., etc., perhaps to the point of institutionalization and/or suicide.

Because remember, this same poster said to me. "You know what you have to do."

At one point, in another email to this same poster, I said, "you haven't offered me anything." What can you provide me?

He commented in a thread, cBS, which meant bullshit.

Oh, I get it. Everything offered to me are in the lyrics of his songs.

You know, that's where all the evidence, hidden messages, mixed messages and triggers are contained as well.

06-12-2007, 05:27 PM
This is about the silliest thing I have ever heard child-like "adults" do.

Who sold more albums, McCartney or Springsteen? Of course, McCartney did, overwhemlingly. People happen to like his new CD, but, now, Springsteen's fans have to make up excuses. Not enough PR, blah, blah, blah.

For the life of me, I can't understand why they care.

Is it their money? Do they have some vested interest in his sales?

WOW!! Unbelievable.

Firstly, Springsteen's latest CD/DVD is nothing but recycled songs from his first CD with the Seeger Sessions band (We SHALL OVERCOME) together with some old songs.

So, it's not really a NEW relase. It's recycled material.

The DVD is of a live show with the Seeger Sessions Band with the same recycled songs.

It's repackaged material, people. Not the same thing as a CD with NEW songs.

Don't you realize that's how you've been supporting him?

Boots/repackaged, recycled, live DVD shows.

Did you ever think that maybe his CD sales alone don't alone don't cut it?

Did you ever think maybe that's why tours like he does because his CD sales alone don't cut it.

Remember, he's one of their cash cows and they must produce!!!!

06-12-2007, 05:32 PM
Just for the record, if someone asked me about any of the lyrics I've written on this thread, what they mean, whom they're written to, I'd be able to tell them.

I wouldn't have to say that in the end, you have to look at a song and not know where it came from.

On another interesting note.

I am able to speak in verse to Bob Seger.

Exactly, "you don't really know me."

You never did and you never will.

You only knew me through altered states. Those which you placed me in.

06-12-2007, 06:19 PM
Bruce Springsteen

Seems like I'm caught up
in your trap
Seems like I'll be
wearing the same
old chains
Good will conquer
And the truth will
set me free
And I know some
day I will find
the key
I know
somewhere I will
find the key
Seems like I've
been playing your
game way too long
Seems the game
I've played has
made you strong
When the game is
I won't walk out the
I know I'll walk
out of here again
I know someday
I'll walk out of
here again

Well now I'm
OOh yeah
OOh Yeah

Seems like I've
been sleeping in
your bed too
Seems like you've
been meaning to
do me harm
But I'll teach my
eyes to see
Beyond these
walls in front of
Someday I'll walk
out of here again
Someday I'll walk
out of here again

OOh yeah
OOh Yeah
OOh Yeah
OOh Yeah

Seems like I've
been playing your
game way too long
Seems the game
I've played has
made you strong

OOh yeah
OOh Yeah
OOh Yeah
OOh Yeah


You set the trap again
and I broke right through it
you trapped yourself
and when you did you knew it

I never trapped you
you're lyin' through your teeth
you had a chance,
you had chance
a chance to be free
but you chose THEM over ME

my strength is my own
it doesn't come from you
so don't praise yourself
for something you didn't do
nothing you've done has made me strong
all that you did was just wrong, wrong, wrong

Good will conquer evil but the truth won't set you free
and you're not wearin' any chains that belong to me
your trapped song is reverse psychology

go play games with somebody else
cause I'm not playin'
and all your cards have been dealt
and if the truth were what you said
you wouldn't be sleeping alone in your bed

if you weren't a liar
you'd have the key
it just wasn't meant
wasn't meant to be

you trapped yourself
i set myself free
I never harmed you
you harmed me

you should have taught your eyes to see
a long, long time ago
you should have broken through the walls
just cut it lose and let it go
but you didn't
you hung on

you trapped yourself
i set myself free
I never harmed you
but you harmed me

I'm not playing games
but you certainly are
when you move your last piece
you'll walk out the loser
cause I'm a winner
no matter which way you throw the dice
i'm a winner
you know
in the game of life

06-12-2007, 06:50 PM

You set the trap again
and I broke right through it
you trapped yourself
and when you did you knew it

I never trapped you
you're lyin' through your teeth
you had a chance,
you had chance
a chance to be free
but you chose THEM over ME

my strength is my own
it doesn't come from you
so don't praise yourself
for something you didn't do
nothing you've done has made me strong
all that you did was just wrong, wrong, wrong

Good will conquer evil but the truth won't set you free
and you're not wearin' any chains that belong to me
your trapped song is reverse psychology

go play games with somebody else
cause I'm not playin'
and all your cards have been dealt
and if the truth were what you said
you wouldn't be sleeping alone in your bed

if you weren't a liar
you'd have the key
it just wasn't meant
wasn't meant to be

you trapped yourself
i set myself free
I never harmed you
you harmed me

you should have taught your eyes to see
a long, long time ago
you should have broken through the walls
just cut it lose and let it go
but you didn't
you hung on

you trapped yourself
i set myself free
I never harmed you
but you harmed me

I'm not playing games
but you certainly are
when you move your last piece
you'll walk out the loser
cause I'm a winner
no matter which way you throw the dice
i'm a winner
you know
in the game of life

06-12-2007, 09:27 PM

"The Angels Love You More than you Know"

They do?

Yes, they do.

How do you know?

Because they told me so?

You talk to angels? They talk to you?

There are angels all around us.

I don't see them.

Well, some people see them and some people don't.


How come you see them and I don't?

I can't explain it, but they come to me in my dreams.

God is calling you to be with the angels. This is what they told me.

God wants you to be one of his angels.

How come they don't talk to me?

Because they work through me.

Why don't they just talk to me if they want me to be with them?

Cause they're afraid you won't accept them.

Why wouldn't I accept them?

Cause not all people accept angels, but I do and so they talk to me.

Don't you want to know how much the angels love you?


Don't you want to be with the angels?

No, not really. I'd have to be dead to be with the angels.

But, they love you and they want you to be with them.

But, I'm not an angel.

You're an angel to me.

Everything about you is angelic. You have "Angel Eyes" (Springsteen song).

How do you know I'm an angel?

The angels told me so.

How sick!!!

Another suicide suggestion.

06-12-2007, 09:42 PM
I have a loving partner of many years
he watched me wake
he dried my tears
he pulled me out
from deep despair
he helped me overcome my fears

he is aware of what's transpired
he's my hero
he's not a liar

he's a loving husband
and a wonderful friend
and the rest of our lives
we shall together spend

he came to me like an angel from above
he came to me with unconditional love
we were like two flames burning bright
waiting on the backstreets alone one night

he calls me gorgeous
and baby girl
he holds me tight
when the memories unfurl

my heart was closed
but he found the key
my eyes wide shut
he helped me see

he is my prince in shining armor
we've weathered a storm on the high open seas
for together and forever we will always be

never once has he tossed me aside
never once has he said that I lied
never once has he walked away
through all of this he has always stayed

right by my side
with courage and strength
right by my side
with wisdom unspent

we were like two flames burning bright
we came together on the backstreets one night

he knows my story
he knows what I seek
he opened my mouth
when I wouldn't speak

he said that I couldn't run from my past
he told me I had to face it at last

we were like to flames burning bright
we came together on the backstreets one night

06-13-2007, 07:54 AM
A verse from the song "TRAPPED"

"Someday I'll walk out of here"

"Someday I'll walk out of here AGAIN"


Did this happen before?

If so, how'd you manage to walk out of here the first time?

No explanation necessary.

06-13-2007, 07:56 AM
Was it at my EXPENSE?

On another note:

As far as old songs being, as you say, REWORKED, same thing as re-cycled and then repackaged.

Nothing GENIUS about it.

06-13-2007, 08:13 AM
There is something I need to make VERY CLEAR!!

There will be no RECANTING.

There will be no REDRESS.

To those of you who knew my father and my mother, you are well aware that they were SICKOs! and I am well aware of this, as well.

If you can repeat some of the things they said to me, I assure you that it wasn't because I was reporting to you ABOUT THEM being the ONLY perpetrators in my life.

I REITERATE that you belong in the same category as they do and you know which category that is.

I have explained abuse at home, being a prime candidate, my father involved in pornography and perhaps avoiding jail time by sacrificing me.

On another note, I didn't realize that Bruce's home was in jeopardy of being burned down by his kids.

"Burn the house down" or was that a lame joke?

You can mimic phrases that my father said, but in no way, shape or form was he the only abuser in my life.

I was used in the music industry as a "sex slave. I WAS a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

As I've written on this thread, I believe my father and my main handler, Springsteen, shared my programming.

06-13-2007, 09:57 AM
Bear with me for a moment. We have to play connect the dots.

The scenario they'd like me to believe is that my FATHER was wholly responsible for my abuse, mother as well.

In this way, on his OFFICIAL site and UNOFFICIAL site certain remarks that my parents made to me have been posted.

Several on this site as well.


Why would they know about remarks that were made to me by my parents?

Is the following what they think they may accomplish:

Somehow/someway I happened to meet Bruce Springsteen. I wasn't being used inside the "squeaky clean" music industry as a sex slave; I wasn't a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch. I just happened to meet him somehwere else.

I reported my father and mother's activities to him and this allowed him to free me from the cult.

That would be NEGATIVE.

THEY know of these remarks because they are connected to the same "filth."

If my father was soley responsible for my abuse and you have the EVIDENCE, produce it.

Both of my parents are DECEASED!!!

06-13-2007, 10:19 AM
Springsteen's "Nothing Man" song somewhat speaks to my above post.

My father use to say that he was a "Nobody." Don't think this song would work with the words, "Nobody Man."

Also contained in this song is a verse that goes something like this:

"you can buy me a cup of coffee and call me Joe."

My father's name was Joe.

Another one of his songs with a verse that goes something likes this:

"some people are born with nothing and some people get it any way that the can."

Rings true for him, I suppose and many inside the indsutry.

06-13-2007, 11:34 AM
AMAZING!! Did Springsteen really give his "Born to RUN" (TRAMPS) jacket to SOME girl?


Does he know who she was?

Did he throw it out into the audience at a show one night?

Was it some girl just walking down the street?

A love interest?

If this "girl" still has it and he knows who she is, maybe he can offer her a bunch of money to get it back so it can be placed in the Bruce Springsteen Museum of Art.

On the otherhand, however, maybe he tried to get it back from this girl, but she told him she threw it out; didn't want any of his stuff.

Maybe she really didn't throw it out. Maybe she placed it in safe-keeping.

06-13-2007, 01:59 PM
"Good Morning, Beautiful"

"Welcome to my World"

"The Angels Love You More Than You Know"

"I Love You"

What else can you do now?!?!? in your own words from one of your songs.

Like I said before and I'll say it again in Tina Turner's words:


Is this some kind of condition that you think must be met between you and I before we expose the perpetrators; MKULTRA/Project Monarch and Mind Control Within the Music Industry?

Keep dreamin'. Seems you do alot of that.

You have nothing to expose about what I speak because you are a part of it.

I would imagine at this point you're reverting back to this LOVE thing because all other measures have failed including this one.

I don't LOVE people who abuse me sexually, mentally, emotionally and physically. I detest them. And, I certainly don't LOVE handlers/controllers from my past.

The ANGELS, the what are suppose to be "seductive pictures, the castle, the blinking lights, the colors, the roses, the hearts!!


FYI, thanks for the video clips. I can now look at Springsteen's face, hear his voice, listen to him sing, read his lyrics and not be placed in an "altered state of consciousness." A dream-world created for me built on lies while controlling my mind.

Reality prevails!

06-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Let's remember this!

Supposedly, he is a witness to my abuse. He helped me escape the cult. We're both going to publicly expose this, BUT I MUST LOVE HIM FIRST!!

Makes perfect sense, right?


Remember, too, that I was instructed I couldn't love two men at the same time.

This tactic to distance me from my husband and so far out of reality possibly to the point of no return.

But, I was born with the strength and power of a locomotive.

You remember that, don't you?

Don't you just love this line from his song, Land of Hope and Dreams:

"grab your suitcase and your ticket, thunder's rolling down the tracks. You don't know where you're going, but you won't be coming back."

Were WE going? To the Land of Hope AND DREAMS??

I was thinking about Paul Simon's song, "50 ways to lose your lover."

Nice one, isn't it??

06-13-2007, 03:35 PM
I found this on Wikipedia:

The songs "Reno" and "Long Time Comin'" came as a surprise to many listeners. "Reno" describes in graphic detail an encounter with a prostitute. "Long Time Comin'" has the word "fuck" in the lyrics. Springsteen explained the two songs by revealing that "Reno" was about a man so in love with his lost wife that his desperation could not be vanquished even by a prostitute ("It wasn't the best I ever had / not even close") and that the expletive in "Long Time Comin'" was not negative but, in fact, a positive affirmation ("I ain't gonna fuck it up this time," referring to raising his new child).

A man so in love with his LOST wife?

Where'd she go?

Disappear into thin air?

Couldn't find her way back home?

I guess Springsteen had a child with someone we don't know about and he "fuc*ed" it up and, according to this song, he's having another child and he ain't gonna f**k it up this time. Is the MRS. pregnant?

Maybe he fuc*ed up raising the baby he had with MARY!!! cause you know he got her pregnant when she was just 17 and we haven't heard yet anything about this.

"And those memories come back to haunt him and they haunt him like a curse."

"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse."


How could a dream ever be a LIE????

What world does he live in?

The stories, MY!!!


06-13-2007, 05:38 PM
"The E Street Band"

"Nuff Said"

Excuse me, but ENOUGH has not been said. There will be more to come.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

06-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Bear with me for a moment.

There is a reason I keep coming back to Springsteen's song, "The River." This song plays a very significant "disinformation" role.

When the "false" memories associated with this song were called up when I was on SPRINGSTEEN's official site, I was under my covers for days reliving "torture" memories that were inflicted upon me in the past to implant these "false" memories. It was like the torture was happening all over again.

It felt like they were sticking needles in my head. Just torturing the information into my subconscious. Making me repeat it. Telling me what a horrible person I was! What kind of an animal was I? How could I do this to my own child? How could I ever look him in the eye?

The "disinformation, as we know, was that I had a baby with Springsteen and the OTHERS programmed me to cut it up so that I would be institutionalized and he and I couldn't be witnesses.

As I said, I knew Springsteen long before I was 17 years old and even if this song were true, I would have been a minor and he is 7 years older than me.

I was hysterically crying. Naturally, I thought these memories were real. I was in an altered state of consciousness. The connection to my past that I was searching for and thought I had found were feeding me lies through "mind control."

I had fallen back into the hands of my past abusers and, most probably, handlers/controllers I didn't know from the past, as well.

I wasn't eating for days. I lost alot of weight.

Of course, they never imagined I would have survived long enough to undo the lies. They were banking on suicide, institutionalization, etc. I made it this far because my PROTECTORS armed me with knowledge, wisdom, but, most importantly instructions.

In an altered state, the implication was that we were going to be together again and go public with MKULTRA/Project Monarch. The reason this didn't happen in the past was because the OTHERS told me lies about him and tore us apart.

I knew this would NOT be. I was never totally under their control just as in the past. This is one of the reasons I refer to myself as an operative. I was capable of staying connected to a certain degree and reporting to my PROTECTORS. I never loved him. I did what I had to do to escape. I endured what I had to endure to escape. I risked my life to escape and to bring my incarceration/abuse to light.

He is not a hero in any sense of the word.

So, back to the song. Why would he write a song about getting someone pregnant, if he didn't?

Very strange!

Well, the reason is twofold. It plays into the disinformation and also covers up the truth as to whom he got pregnant.

It wasn't me.

However, if you look back at what he said about Bono's incestuous song, you'll have a clue.

He praised it!

06-13-2007, 07:54 PM
This is probably also the reason why I had "false" memories of him being with my sister.

That would be NEGATIVE.

06-13-2007, 08:23 PM
Thunder Road
Bruce Springsteen

The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
Don't run back inside
darling you know just what I'm here for
So you're scared and you're thinking
That maybe we ain't that young anymore
Show a little faith, there's magic in the night
You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright
Oh and that's alright with me

You can hide 'neath your covers
And study your pain
Make crosses from your lovers
Throw roses in the rain
Waste your summer praying in vain
For a savior to rise from these streets
Well now I'm no hero
That's understood
All the redemption I can offer, girl
Is beneath this dirty hood
With a chance to make it good somehow
Hey what else can we do now
Except roll down the window
And let the wind blow back your hair
Well the night's busting open
These two lanes will take us anywhere
We got one last chance to make it real
To trade in these wings on some wheels
Climb in back
Heaven's waiting DOWN ON THE TRACKS
Oh oh come take my hand
Riding out tonight to case the promised land
Oh oh Thunder Road, oh Thunder Road
oh Thunder Road
Lying out there like a killer in the sun
Hey I know it's late we can make it if we run
Oh Thunder Road, sit tight take hold
Thunder Road

Well I got this guitar
And I learned how to make it talk
And my car's out back
If you're ready to take that long walk
From your front porch to my front seat
The door's open but the ride it ain't free
And I know you're lonely
For the words I ain't spoken
But tonight we'll be free
All the promises'll be broken
There were ghosts in the eyes
Of all the boys you sent away
They haunt this dusty beach road
In the skeleton frames of burned out Chevrolets

They scream your name at night in the street
Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet
And in the lonely cool before dawn
You hear their engines roaring on
But when you get to the porch they're gone
On the wind, so Mary climb in
It's a town full of losers
And I'm pulling out of here to win

Always looking for the Promised Land.

Glad I looked at this song, never noticed quite so clearly the line "HEAVEN'S WAITING ON DOWN THE TRACKS."

What does that mean? Should one drive their car over the railroad tracks when a train is coming? Heaven is on down the tracks!! Whatever.

Couldn't figure out why that was being called up quite some time ago.

What does lying out there like a killer in the sun mean?

Dunno! One can only imagine.

Oops!! The ride IT AIN'T FREE!!! Got to pay the price, I suppose.

LONELY FOR THE WORDS YOU AIN'T SPOKEN. Don't be so full of yourself.

There are more important things in life than wanting to hear you speak.

LONELY!! There's that suggestion again. Lonely, dreams, pay the price, blah, blah, blah.

Tonight we'll be free, all the promises broken. I never break a promise.

True to my word!

06-13-2007, 08:28 PM
"Britney Jean Spears is the sweetest and the most sensitive and loving of all my children," says Spears, the mother of three children with ex-husband Jamie Spears. "She's just figuring things out."


How would you like to be the other two children.

06-13-2007, 09:21 PM
Land of Hope and Dreams
Bruce Springsteen

Grab your ticket and your suitcase
Thunder's rolling down the tracks
You don't know where you're goin'
But you know you won't be back
Darlin' if you're weary
Lay your head upon my chest
We'll take what we can carry
And we'll leave the rest

Big Wheels rolling through fields
Where sunlight streams
Meet me in a land of hope and dreams

I will provide for you
And I'll stand by your side
You'll need a good companion
for This par tof the ride
Leave behind your sorrows
Let this day be the last
Tomorrow there'll be sunshine
And all this darkness past

Big wheels roll through fields
Where sunlight streams
Meet me in a land of hope and dreamsMeet me in a land of hope and dreams

This train
Carries saints and sinners
This train
Carries losers and winners
This Train
Carries whores and gamblers
This Train
Carries lost souls
This Train
Dreams will not be thwarted
This Train
Faith will be rewarded
This Train
Hear the steel wheels singin'
This Train
Bells of freedom ringin'
This Train
Carries broken-hearted
This Train
Thieves and sweet souls departed
This Train
Carries fools and kings
This Train
All aboard

This Train
Dreams will not be thwarted
This Train
Faith will be rewarded
This Train
Hear the steel wheels singin'
This Train
Bells of freedom ringin'


Strange, looking at this song again.

During that time on his site, I mentioned I was "qued" into packing my suitcase several times, waiting for him to come and this song speaks to that.

I guess the part where he says, "I'll provide for you and stand by your side" is suppose to be the offering that I was to recognize when I said in an email, "what have you offered me?" Nothing! and the response on a thread was cBS (bullshit).

At that point, it was only hurt and pain that had been thrust upon me. You know, trying to break my heart which is a constant theme in his songs.

You can break someone's heart when they're being controlled, abused, frightened, altered state of reality, disinformation, suggestive state, believing in a "love" that never existed thus not allowing the real memories to surface.

You get the picture. Believing all the lies as to his "heroic" role in my past. Certainly, thinking that were the case, I was elated. Wouldn't you be?

OMG, I loved him. He loved me and we were ripped apart. He is a witness!!!

However, my heart certainly doesn't love or break over someone who is abusive and victimizes me. There is no love lost. It never existed. Past or present.

06-14-2007, 07:43 AM
Yep, that signature line "hmmmm...." is just fascinating!!

I found this somewhere and it's one of the weirdest things I've ever read:

"If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love"

06-14-2007, 08:19 AM
So, Springsteen is on the "Forbes" celebrity loser list. Have GLORY DAYS PASSED THEM BY?

His latest repackaged, recycled, reworked, Seeger Sessions Band project didn't sell very well.

What's amazing is that his fans HOPE HE DOES WELL.

Most protective bunch of fanatics I've ever stumbled upon.

I wonder to myself are they this dumb?

I guess so!

They don't think he's already done well?

See how this transformation works?

They want Springsteen to do well, because???

Because it puts money in their pockets???

Their excuse for why he didn't make the list is because his anti-Bush stance bled over into the conservative Forbes publication.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the facts!


I'd have to agree. Glory Days have passed HIM by.

06-14-2007, 08:26 AM
"One can hope, ay, Anne? *shhhhh*"

Gee, I wonder what the *shhhh* is suppose to mean?

Maybe he wants ANNE to be quiet!

06-14-2007, 08:49 AM

"Even the beauty of a rose does not compare to the beauty of you." Kisses...

"You will see when you believe."

Oh, right, I forgot. I'll see the LIES as TRUTH when I believe them through an "altered state of consciousness."

Let me tell you this! When my consciousness was altered, it produced the TRUTH. You see, it is to cut off your nose to spite your face. It doesn't work with me. Same "programming" default as in the past. It backfires on the perpetrators. You, of all people, should know this.

You can rest your head on your pillow each night knowing that certain TRUTH!

Lies are lies until proven otherwise. Ample time to do so has been provided. Your bluff has been called numerous times.

What does this make you?

A LIAR?? attempting to use "mind control" tactics on a former victim of MKULTRA/Project in an effort to make me believe lies as truth and truth as lies.

AIN'T gonna happen!

06-14-2007, 09:34 AM
"Boom Boom Boom Boom"
Bruce Springsteen

Boom boom boom boom
I wanna shoot you right down
Take you in my arms
I'm in love with you
a love that is true
Boom boom boom boom

I need you right now
I mean right now
I don't mean tomorrow
I mean right now
come on come on
I wanna give it up babe

Shake it up babe
Come on and shake
Shake it up babe
Come on come on shake it up babe

I like the way you walk
I like the way you talk
when you walk that walk
and you talk that talk
you knock me out
right over my feet

Shake it up babe
Come on and shake
Shake it up babe
Come on come on shake it up babe

Boom boom boom boom
I wanna shoot you right down
Take you in my arms
I'm in love with you
a love that is true
Boom boom boom boom

Is the BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM the sound of a gun?


Oh, yeah, that hand across his hair. What a movement!!!

Could hardly contain myself.

So not sexy!

The voice!!

What's the deal with that?

06-14-2007, 10:18 AM
Actually, thanks, but I'll have to pass on the "fist in my mouth."

06-14-2007, 04:40 PM
One Step Up
Bruce Springsteen

Woke up this morning my house was cold
Checked out the furnace she wasn't burnin'
Went out and hopped in my old Ford
Hit the engine but she ain't turnin'
We've given each other some hard lessons lately
But we ain't learnin'
We're the same sad story that's a fact
One step up and two steps back

Bird on a wire outside my motel room
But he ain't singin'
Girl in white outside a church in June
But the church bells they ain't ringing
I'm sittin' here in this bar tonight
But all I'm thinkin' is
I'm the same old story same old act
One step up and two steps back

It's the same thing night on night
Who's wrong baby who's right
Another fight and I slam the door on
Another battle in our dirty little war
When I look at myself I don't see
The man I wanted to be
Somewhere along the line I slipped off track
I'm caught movin' one step up and two steps back

There's a girl across the bar
I get the message she's sendin'
Mmm she ain't lookin' to married
And me well honey I'm pretending
Last night I dreamed I held you in my arms
The music was never-ending
We danced as the evening sky faded to black


Here, let me help interpret this song for those die hard fans of his who don't seem to know what he's talking about.

That's understandable, as his lyrics are, for the most part, designed this way.

Mystery, hidden messages, meanings for mind control survivors.

Everyone loves a good mystery. IT JUST SUCKS THEM RIGHT IN!! Creates loyal fans and lots of revenue for the "squeaky clean" music industry and their musicians this way.

Sit down with a good mystery book and you don't want to stop reading it. You want to know how it ends. You get all wrapped up in it. Just as you get all wrapped up in the musician.

Springsteen has created a "mystery" about himself through his lyrics. You can't put him down. You think you're going to find something fantastic in the end. Get all the answers. But, you won't. You'll just keep getting the same ole' same ole' to keep you attached. Trust me on this.

You'll get another song that can't be interpreted even by him cause in the end, you have to look at a song, as he says, and not know where it came from.

Just another bone to keep you coming back for more.

Believe me, you'll never figure it out. Most of his songs are probably written through altered states of consciousness and therefore; that is why he cannot interpret his own lyrics. As well, they have much to do with his past involvement with a particular person(s) in the "satanic cult" and therefore; he will not explain that either.

You're caught up in the "fairy-tale" world/worship/love of him that he has created for you through mind control.

Trust me on this. I know of what I speak.

These are tricks of the trade. These are their tools.

Get their fans addicted to the personality and they will stuff their pockets for life. Media hype has helped Springsteen, because truly his vocals are mediocre at best along with his guitar playing.

If you never gave up listening to the potent "mind control" music from the 60/70's and continue to watch the same groups and listen to the same groups on DVDs/CDs, you're stuck in the past.

The ILLUMINATI have used these tools on the masses forever.

They've created a mystery surrounding themselves.

My interpretation: Plain and simple:

He has a partner at home, in this song, he's been arguing with.

He leaves. Goes to a bar. Sees a woman or could be "little girl" looking like she's interested.

So, he's pretending he's not married.

Go to the last verse.

He is now dreaming about someone else.

Three females in this song.

06-14-2007, 06:40 PM
WOW!! That's all I can say.

Bare with me for a moment.

I have just come to a revelation about the "packing my bag" scenario.

I was "triggered" in an altered state while on Springsteen's official site to pack my bags. I went through this drill twice!!!!!

At present, I still cannot believe that my "reality" had been altered to such a degree that I believed he was coming to get me.

I mean, what did I think? He was going to just show up on my doorstep? I was going to leave my husband and children.

Of course, he was never going to show up on my doorstep. THANK GOD!!

This drill was to call up the disinformation implanted from the past to cover the TRUTH.

The disinformation which I wrote about on his site was that my parents would tell me he called, they took the call, he was coming, get ready and then he wouldn't show.

They didn't do this, but the only reason I can think of as to an explanation would be that they didn't want me to be with him and wanted to prove that he wasn't trustworthy. However, that's the opposite. They wanted me to get them out of the POOR HOUSE.

This is the TRUTH: When it was set-up for me to go to a so-called "safehouse," witness protection program, whatever you chose to call it, by HIM, he did not come to get me. OTHERS came to get me. I inquired as to why he wasn't with them and they said he would meet up with us later.

However, of course, he never did.

So, while I was reliving the torture at home while on his site, laying in bed for days while disinformation about a baby, etc., was being TORTURED into me, I was calling out his name. Make them stop. He's not here, they said. He's not coming. He's never going to help you. You'll never see him again. You won't remember him when we're done with you.

I couldn't figure out why I was calling out his name. Now I know.

I also couldn't figure out why, while on his site, when I was reporting about the government, etc., at one point, I said, "I can't do this without you."

Now, I know why.

Subconsciously, I thought he was my protector and also because I knew when I was forced in the safe-house, whatever, to tell them what I knew/remembered, I was tortured and I thought if he had been there this wouldn't have happened.

Also, a comment was made to me on the site by one of the posters and he said, "I'm not going to disappear into thin air."

This, of course, is what happened when I was removed from my home; convinced by him that I would be protected and that he would be there as well.

As I've written on this thread, his intentions were never to be a witness. It was trickery, on his part, in order to protect himself.

Imagine that. The torture I endured not because I wouldn't give them his name, but so they could attempt to erase his name and memories of my victimization.

An email to me said, "I'm crying looking at what you have written." You went through all this for me. Referring, of course, to what I thought took place. Being tortured not to give them his name.

They know his name. Everytime I said his name, it was electroshocked out of me.

You will be afraid to say/speak his name when we are finished with you.

Deceitful does not even describe him. Pathetic does not even describe him.

I don't think there is a word other than "sadistic pig."

06-14-2007, 07:31 PM
"Nothing but Love"

My response:

"Nothing but Hatred"

06-14-2007, 07:39 PM
I agree, "Long Black Veil" should be in there.

Afterall, it follows right along with the theme in most of his songs.

A verse from Cash's Long Black Veil:

I spoke not a word, thou it meant my life
For I'd been in the arms of my best friend's wife

06-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Springsteen quote:

"Blind faith in your leaders or anything will get you killed."

Really? Anything?

Like being handled by a "mind controller" such as yourself?

06-14-2007, 09:17 PM
Blind faith in ANY THING or anything will get you killed.

What a weird statement.

So, does this mean if I have blind faith in a chair, it will get me killed?

A flower?

A bird?

Those would be things, wouldn't they?

06-14-2007, 09:31 PM
"It is funny reading the spin the blind faithful have for these albums tanking."

Just fits right in!

06-14-2007, 09:32 PM
If his fans have "blind faith" in him, (which many of them do) will it get them killed?

06-14-2007, 10:18 PM
Talk about "blind faith" fans. Here, let me clear this up.

This is the Forbes' title:

The world's most powerful and best-paid movie stars, musicians and athletes.

Springsteen did not make the list.

There is no discrimination because he is blue-blood (as you so blindly believe) or because he is anit-Bush.

It is solely based on $$$$.

Get it?

He didn't make the list of the 400 wealthiest Americans or the world's billionaires either.

So, what's the reason for that? Because he's anti-Bush?

06-15-2007, 07:21 AM
If they couldn't "trigger" suicide programming, if they couldn't cause an emotional break-down then what would be their next alternative?

Yes, DELTA programming.

I remember reporting that they wanted me to KILL people and I also remember these words:

"You don't have a MEAN bone in your body."

Certain phrases were said during installation such as:

"One day you're going to go on a killing rampage."

"One day if you get married and have children, you'll wind up killing them all including yourself."

They would attempt to make me angry through "phrases" such as one that Torchlithill said:

"Always try to do better." Afterwards, in another post he uses the word "strike."

But, most importantly, the programming involves the creation of anger.

"Every little thing makes you angry."

"Over the edge."

Taunting, teasing, and then installing the "trigger" phrases.

Torchlithill also uses the phrase in one of his posts. "I hope we can all pull the trigger at the same time."

In order to counter-act programming, one must not give into their impulses.

This is not an easy task when a child and under the control of PIGS.

It requires that the mind control victim, such as myself, never lose sight of their surroundings, their core.

Never lose total CONTROL of heart, their soul.

Never give it up to the "devil worshippers."

As I write, it must be realized that my family is aware that I awoke to my awful past with a "suicide" command. It must be realized that they are aware of my incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch. They are aware of my time spent on Bruce Springsteen's official site. They are aware of my memories.

THEY are fully aware that I am not suicidal nor do I have a "mean bone in my body."

As far as this one Barbarien person is concerned, I am of the opinon that he is a FRAUD!

06-15-2007, 08:06 AM
What Torchlithill is doing is using the "reverse psychology" method in order to attempt to activate "anger" and/or rage and "trigger" DELTA programming.

He is also straddling "both sides of the fence" in an attempt to make me believe in some way, shape or form he has a positive connection to my past and is not on this board for purely nefarious purposes directed at me.

He thinks that by throwing in some "bit" of jibberish that may lend itself to this, I will continue to converse with him so that he can continue to "troll" me and place "triggers" in his RIDICULOUS postings.

He is a FRAUD! But, I didn't have to tell you this.

It can be summed up in this way.

They might give you a task to perform. You're performing it to the best of your ability, but you're told you're not fighting hard enough, not trying hard enough.

You know that you are, but the negative comments are repeated until the anger comes to the surface, the commands are installed, etc.

I think at some point, physical fighting was involved with other victims.

Several of TLH's comments lend themselves to this "activator" such as:

"Always try to do better"

"Help thy neighbor"

TLH is also attempting to cause "frustration" with his constant non-sensical psycho-babble, jibberish; leading to anger; reaching a boiling point; lash out; strike out.

Phrases such as "is that the best you can do"
were used. What a failure. How PATHETIC. Pathetic was used alot. "You're pathetic." These words were inserted in posts on Springsteen's site, as well, directed at me.

Messages such as, "you'll get so angry, you'll want to strangle somebody."

"Stab somebody to death."

This is sickening!

Whether or not they ever made me kill a living human being or an animal, I don't know.

If so, I know GOD has forgiven me.

For I did not walk through the valley of darkness and into the light without him.

Forgive me father
for I have sinned
but do you know where I have been

06-15-2007, 09:01 AM
What is the secrecy about that Springsteen has wrapped himself around regarding his projects? Is it to keep his fans in suspense? Keep them drooling and build up their appetite for whatever his next release might be?

Like it's TOP SECRET or something!

What's up with all the rumors that swirl around him, too, regarding tours, etc?

Again, another tactic to keep his fans interested.

Sounds like the mechanism of a "tabloid" magazine.

A soap opera, mabye!

Oh, the mystery. The never ending story.

Get 'em and keep 'em hooked. If not on drugs, on the mysteriousness of the individual.

06-15-2007, 09:14 AM
Seriously. Springsteen with Southside Johnny at the Cleveland Agora in 1978 singing "Fever"..."I've got the fever for a girl" together.

Before they began the duet, Southside Johnny says that a friend of his out there DEDICATED the song to him and now he's going to DEDICATE it back to HIM.

Please note the HIM.

Two males are dedicating the the song "FEVER" to each other. Okay, whatever!

Southside Johnny says he'd let him sing the song with him if he knew all the words.

Up walks Springsteen.

06-15-2007, 10:23 AM
I have always wondered since having been on his site (not just the political arena but the forum where his fanatics reside) why there is always speculation when another musician is peforming as to whether or not THE BOSS will make a surprise appearance.

I don't know if this speaks to it or not, but, right at this very moment, I am recalling the "bags packed and ready to go" scenario.

When my parents received the call that he would be in town, I had stay close to home. When I heard the "hoot, hoot" of an owl, I knew it was time to come home.

I always had a bag packed. It was procedure. The anxiety this produced because of what I endured was horrible.

I would have to be pulled from my room, kicking and screaming when the time came.

Subconsciously, it has always been in the back of my mind that he just might make a "surprise" appearance on my doorstep. This, the reason, I have always looked out the windows of my house onto the street. Subconsciously thinking that appearance might happen at any moment.

I see my sister crying as I leave. Asking my parents why they make me go with him. I told her things. He is too old for her, she would say.

They would say, it was part of the program. I would say, what program? He's going to make you a star someday. I'd say, that's not what they're teaching me.

I would say that I didn't want to go back to the farm. Didn't want to stop at Cape Canaveral or Homestead AFB or MacDill.

I was never told where we were going and many times blindfolded.

Of course, drugs were used, as well, to produce amnesia and altered states of consciousness.

This memory UPSETS me deeply. I suppose it might be because I see my sister cyring for me.

Words would be said, like don't make us put you in a strait jacket, etc.

I always fought. The only way to save my soul.

06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
My mother would say quite often. What gives you the right to come to our home whenever you feel like it and remove our daughter?

Their or his answer would be.

Either that or my father would go to jail.

I would say, "why do you do these things to me. I'm just a "little girl."

The answer.

You're "my little girl." You're our "little girl." You belong to us and we are your Daddy's.

Now "come to poppa." Come sit on your Daddy's lap. Which Daddy do you want today.


Who do you want to be today? Wendy?

06-15-2007, 10:51 AM
With Every Wish
Bruce Springsteen

Ol' catfish in the lake, we called him big jim
When i was a kid, my only wish was to get my line in him
Skipped church one sunday and throw'd in my line
Jim took that hook, pole and me right over the side
Went drifting down past old tires and rusty cans of beer
The angel of the lake whispered in my ear
"before you chose your wish, son, you'd better
think first
With every wish there comes a curse"

I fell in love with beautiful doreen
She was the prettiest thing this old town'd ever seen
I courted her and i made her mine
But i grew jealous whenever another man'd
come walkin' down the line
And my jealousy me me treat her mean and cruel
She signed, "bobby, oh bobby, you're such a fool
Don't you know before you chose your wish you'd better think first
With every wish there comes a curse"

These days i sit around and laugh at all the rivers i've crossed
But on the far banks there's always another forest where a man can get lost
Well there in the high trees love's bluebird glides
Guiding us 'cross another river on the other side
And there someone is waitin' with a look in her eyes
And though my heart's grown weary, and more than a little bit shy
Tonight i'll drink from her waters to quench my thirst
And leave the angels to worry
With every wish...


With every wish there comes a curse. Really?

The ever present angels.

In this song he fell in love with Doreen and his name is Bobby.

Due to his jealousy, he treated her mean and cruel.

06-15-2007, 10:52 AM
What world does he live in? An altered state of reality?

That'd be my guess.

06-15-2007, 12:55 PM
I wonder why Madonna and the Stone's revenue busting tours and CD sales are referred to as business trips by Springsteen's fanatics but, on the otherhand, his Seeger Sessions Band tour and CD isn't?


You don't think Springsteen is in the music BUSINESS!!!

If he produces a flop, it is said, "he's doing what he wants to be doing."


Springsteen likes to produce flops!

Did you ever think that maybe HE thought this project would take-off and it didn't.

Oh, yes, another excuse. When it's a business venture, he knows how to lure the fans back on the train.

Obviously. You were lured on that train a long time ago and haven't gotten off yet.

WOW!! You'd think these fans have access to his bank account and his personal life the way they defend him.

06-15-2007, 06:04 PM
At one point while I was on Springsteen's OFFICIAL site and under their control, suggestible to a certain degree, believing that my husband, as I mentioned, was one of them, I also began to think that my husband was GAY.

This is absolutely false!

So, where did these thoughts come from? Why was it that I thought my husband was one of THEM?

Why was it that I thought my husband was GAY?

Were these suggestions planted in the past to cover the truth or were these suggestions implanted at some point when I was married?

I don't have the answer to that. There may have been communication while I was married. This has not become clear yet in my mind, but it has always been THERE as a strong possibility.

When the time is right, it will surface.

I also began to believe that my husband was hiding money from me.

This, of course, is not true.

Somehow, this speaks to money that I may have made in the past while forced to partake in pornograpy and it being said that there would be a trust fund in place for me.

I would have had to stay within the cult to see any of this money, but I believe I was advised and knew that I would never realize any of it.

I also believe that I was told at some point to start a business and they would get the money to me that way for my silence.

I believe this again to have been communicated to me while I was married.

I hear myself "yelling," get out, get out of my house. My husband will be home soon. The answer was that they knew when he would be home because they WATCH.

It was also said that he would put money in a trust fund for me.

I said, what if I die? The answer was that it would be passed down in perpetuity.

Now, imagine that. I die and people come forward with money for my kids, husband and explain to them why.


Nothwithstanding what else I have reported. Regarding the above, that would definitely put a halt on someone's career and those words always repeat.

"You're not going to ruin my career."

06-15-2007, 06:21 PM
FYI, Jealousy is not a factor. There isn't anything about him that would make me jealous that he is married to a beautiful woman.

I don't want anything to do with him. Never did.

This was short-lived on his site, when in a suggestible state of mind, handled/controlled, manipulated, altered state of reality, sexual programming triggered.

Reality does not lend itself to what you seek to accomplish. Only child-like altered states of consciousness accomplished this as so many of his fans display.

Remember the "I've loved Bruce Springsteen since I was a teenager" follow along while I was on the site. Well, you can try the same in The Promised Land, but you look like the DESPERATE fools that you are.

You can use his wife to try to effect jealousy, but I've already stated it was a programming tool/method and you have, once again, proven the same.

To use her; however, is quite pathetic and to make that post on a forum is even more pathetic.

I couldn't have married a more handsome, sexy, kind-hearted man whom I am proud to have as a husband, father, friend and partner.

06-15-2007, 06:35 PM
Oh, yes, that three second duet with his wife in Dublin singing, "If I Should Fall Behind," doesn't do it either.

Do you seriously think they project any type of "charimsa" together when dueting?

Bruce prefers to duet love songs with males, anyway. Seems better at it.

06-15-2007, 07:29 PM
I am writing on this site about my incarceration in MKULTRA/PROJECT MONARCH; being victimized in the music industry as a sex slave; being used in Mafia/CIA pornography when I was a child; being traumatized; being handled/controlled; genetalia mutilated; radiation lights used on my skin; tortured, etc., etc.


I DO NO TAKE THEM LIGHTLY nor should anyone else.

So, I will pose this question to YOU.

I have implicated Bruce Springsteen as my main handler/controller and while lured to his site because of a political comment he made at one of his shows; and always having his name and Frank Sinatra's name in the back of my head, as well, a "covert" operation was deployed by him and his cohorts to call-up disinformation about some "heroic" role he played in my past.

I ask you this.

If this man rescued me from the cult and was not my main handler and abuser/controller, but a WITNESS to my abuse, why would HE/THEY even consider trying to make me jealous over his wife????

This is ridiculous!!!

As I have stated, it is a "programming" tool. Just as I don't have a mean bone in my body, I am not a jealous person.

The "jealousy" programming was deployed in an attempt, after HE/THEY believed I was so in love with him AGAIN, in an altered state, couldn't live without him, he was my protector, to bring me to a state of DISTRESS! Suicidal distress. Emotional distress.

As I have written on this site, when I was once walking with my husband in my neighborhood, a helicopter flew over and the next comment on the site was, "I'm out of here, oh this jealousy.

The next email, he was going on a trip. Probably a lie, like all the rest and I said, "don't walk next to any women." This was tongue in cheek referring to his leaving when I was walking with my husband. I couldn't have cared less if he walked next to three women. The comment back was something like you are the woman I love. I want all of you forever. Something like that.

The jealousy thing wasn't working because he needed me. I didn't, don't and never needed or loved him!!

An attempt, through an altered state, of infatuation with him because of who he is was attempted, but, again, short-lived.

I do not become addicted or infatuated with people. But, this another programming tool. "You are easily infatuated." You have an addictive personality. You are addicted to him. All of these past "programming" tools implanted subconsciously.

So, they deployed it. He distanced and then there were references to his wife. Him with his wife, etc., etc.

At that point, I was still somewhat in my core and realized that anyone in "their right mind" who was a witness to my abuse and wanted to go public with it would not be stringing me along, trying to make me jealous, triggering sexual programming, implanting disinformation, listening to me suffer in my house without any communication or verification.

Again. What's love got to do with it.

Love is unconditional. That is what I have with my husband. UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

I have been blessed!

06-15-2007, 09:48 PM
Here's a piece by Coleman:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/rock and mc.htm (htpp://www.illuminati-news.com/rock and mc.htm)

The point is not just to destroy society, but to teach the worship of Satan disguised as "liberation". Because basically it is liberation from Christian values, or just everyone's inborn sense of decency, which is errantly equated with "Christian guilt".

This was all part of a large--scale mind-control project. One version was for the masses, the other was for specific individuals, or Manchurian Candidates, trained as 'assassins", or more specifically terrorists.

The use of music to induce trance states is the very basis of the occult. This is referred to in the BIble in the episode of the Golden Calf as "pagan revel". It involves the use of music in combination with intoxicants, to rile the worshippers, until they become possessed by 'the god' [demon], and are able to perform supernatural feats, like soothsay, or more heinously, kill a child. This was then followed by the consummation of the child, and then orgies.

In ancient times, these were called Mysteries. They formed the basis of first Mitthraism, and from there to the rest of the so-called Western occult tradition. Today is simply referred to as Black Magic.

Those with a hidden insight into the activities of the occult, like the Illuminati, represented by the 20th centuries leading figures, including the Frankfurt School, recognized the possibilities of music to induce susceptible states of consciousness. So they created Rock and Roll, evidently produced by some of their most dysfunctional children.

06-15-2007, 10:15 PM
The above link is not working, but the site has valuable information about the "music industry" and mind control, as well as another site I have linked to on this thread of which Wes Penre is the author.

06-15-2007, 10:54 PM
I'll never FORGET these words written to me in an email while I was on SPRINGSTEEN's official site:

I want all of you, Wendy, forever and ever not to leave you alone again. Not to be alone.

I didn't feel alone! not until I entered the "mind control" site and was almost sucked back down into the rabbit hole, reality altered and isolation from everyone and anything except THEM began to occur.

SOUL SUCKERS attempting to suck the life out of me.

Do they thrive on this? You betcha. Makes them feel powerful being the "sadistic pigs" they are.

Do they like watching people suffer; making people suffer. You betcha. Being the "sadistic pigs" they are.

What else can they do when the word GUILTY is written on their foreheads.

By the way, his site was run by Sony which is owned by BMG and Columbia.

America is ONE BIG CORPORATE conglomerate owned and operated by THEM.

06-16-2007, 09:27 AM
If you don't like a song when you hear it, why would you listen to it over and over again until it grows on you?

Isn't that kind of like "brainwashing?" Repetition until acceptance.

06-16-2007, 09:36 AM
Growin' up
Bruce Springsteen

I stood stone-like at midnight suspended in my masquerade
I combed my hair till it was just right and commanded the night brigade
I was open to pain and crossed by the rain and I walked on a crooked crutch
I strolled all alone through a fallout zone and came out with my soul untouched
I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd but when they said "Sit down" I stood
Ooh-ooh growin' up

The flag of piracy flew from my mast, my sails were set wing to wing
I had a jukebox graduate for first mate, she couldn't sail but she sure could
I pushed B-52 and bombed 'em with the blues with my gear set stubborn on
I broke all the rules, strafed my old high school, never once gave thought to
I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd but when they said "Come down" I threw
Ooh-ooh growin' up

I took month-long vacations in the stratosphere and you know it's really hard to
hold your breath.
I swear I lost everything I ever loved or feared, I was the cosmic kid in full
costume dress
Well, my feet they finally took root in the earth but I got me a nice little
place in the stars
And I swear I found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car
I hid in the mother breast of the crowd but when they said "Pull down" I pulled


Oh, yes, a "masterpiece!"

By the way, it was said, not a very good voice, mediocre guitar player, no moves, but a "stage presence." Can't carry a tune, but he's got charisma. Ability to attract an audience. Sorry, but I don't even see that.

That about sums it up.

Watch the video "Happy." Why would anyone sing a song about being Happy and sound and look so depressed?

I think it's due to the fact that he has to yell because of the jaw.

That's why when he sings a "rock" song, he looks like he's in pain.

It's all about the studio and eliminating "white noise" or maybe someone else is singing, but I doubt that.

I say this as far as Dylan, as well. On his most recent CD, his voice sounds fine. Granted, he's older, not like when he was young, but at a show, for those whose voices are "shot," the music is always louder to drown out the deficiency.

Clapton and Simon do not use this "tactic." They don't have to. Their voices are not "shot." They had one to begin with! They can carry a tune.

When he plays the guitar, he puts so much energy into it so it appears that he is better than he really is.

Dramatics! to make up for what it is he lacks.

06-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Funny! I didn't see a reference to "something worse" anywhere on that thread.

Just another player!

06-16-2007, 06:43 PM
How coincidental. Just talking with my son about the Beatles and Tavistock today.

Isn't it interesting how the Beatles appeared on the scene as these "clean-cut" guys singing these "silly little love songs" that had all the girls drolling over them.

Shortly, thereafter, we witnessed their usefulness in the NWO. John, of course, was tired of sitting around watching the wheels go round and round. He just had to let it go. People say I'm crazy, doin' what I'm doin', he said.

What was he doin'? Programming break-down? Maybe they were afraid he'd reveal too much. They lost control. They have to be able to pull in the reins and if they can't. Well, we all know what happens.

For goodnessakes, listen to George Harrison's "Brainwashed." That about sums it up.

Reminds me. When I was on Springsteen's sight and people were arguing with me about my views, I continued to post Harrison's "Brainwashed" song. Here I am on a musician's website, figuring they'd like this song. Oh, no. I was told I could be sued for posting his lyrics.

I've already explained why this was said. They didn't want to occur what has occured in the Mind Control within the Music Industry thread.

We watched as the Beatles' songs were transformed from "silly little love songs" to mystery songs introducing drugs and hypnotic trance into the mainstream of our youth through musical tones. Swept away on a "Magic Carpet Ride." Reality altered, suggestibility induced. Out of the "real world" and into the musician's world. I'm sure they had a little help from their friends and their friends.

One friend would be Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and their manager who most probably wrote many of their songs or collaborated with them. This is common knowledge. Wasn't he inducted into the Hall of Fame for his songwriting?

As I've said before, musicians may start out in the arena singing songs that they've written. Mild lyrics back in the day in comparison to the "filth" we have escalated too, and then when they have set the trap (attracted a following) the switch is made. Nothing new about that. Bait and Switch.

As I've CLEARLY demonstrated with Bruce Springsteen. His early years of songwriting differs immensely from what he produced in later years. An individual evolution or singing the lyrics THEY decide? Like I said, being "hypnotized," placed in altered states of reality, qued, make-believe, etc.

Afterall, there is an agenda to serve. I would highlight Cheryl Crow. Her lyrics have taken a tailspin, as well, since she first hit the scene and they promoted her to "super stardom" of which she is not worthy.

Sir Paul, Sir Elton (knighted) and they're not beholden to the same PIGS who shove the filth they practice onto the rest of the world.

06-16-2007, 07:26 PM
"Hot" or "sexy," he is not, IMHO. To each their own; however. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Especially if your vision is clouded through an induced trance-like state after relinquishing control of your heart and soul like many of his fans apparently have.


Now, that's one HOT surfer dude!

I'd have to agree. Not a model or "classic beauty." Just average.

You can be a beautiful person, but really ugly inside. Heartless.

It's what's in your heart that counts! That's what makes a person BEAUTIFUL!

06-16-2007, 07:45 PM
Kelly Clarkson's Summer Retreat

06/14/2007 8:55 AM, E! Online

Just two days after breaking away from her management, Kelly Clarkson is walking away from her summer tour.

Plans for the original American Idol winner's road trip in support of her upcoming album, My December, have been shelved due in part to disappointing ticket sales.

"I can't tell you how much I've been looking forward to getting out there to perform for y'all," Clarkson said in a statement posted on her official Website. "In the craziness of the music business, performing is what I look forward to doing the most, so it really is disappointing for me to have to tell you that I won't be coming out to tour this summer.

"The fact is that touring is just too much too soon."

Clarkson's rep said the singer and her team would be "reevaluating her show's size and scope," before moving forward with any touring plans.

LiveNation CEO Michael Rapino issued a statement praising Clarkson's talent, but acknowledging that calling off the tour was the only logical option.

"Ticket sales have not been what we anticipated and we came to the realization that we had bit off more than we could chew," Rapino said.

Grammy winner though she may be, Clarkson apparently hasn't quite reached the point where she can be relied upon to pack a stadium, as promoters have now realized.

"The day when she will play in sold-out arenas is, no doubt, coming, but for now her fans should look forward to seeing her in a more intimate concert environment," said Gregg Perloff, CEO of Another Planet Entertainment.

Tickets can be refunded at the point of purchase.

Clarkson assured her fans that she plans to get out on the road as soon as she can.

"I promise you that we're going to get back out there as soon as is humanly possible to give you a show that will be even better," she said.

In the meantime, My December is due to be released in the U.S. on June 26.

The album is Clarkson's third, but the first on which she wrote or cowrote all of the songs. It is decidedly darker in tone than either her debut album, Thankful, or its multiplatinum successor, Breakaway, which has been a sticking point with her label and others trying to guide her career.

Though their parting was deemed amicable, Clarkson's split with her manager, Jeff Kwatinetz of The Firm, was said to be directly linked to a difference of opinion over the creative direction of the album.

As far as Clarkson's concerned, the album may be less mainstream, but "it's more intense, it's more raw, it's more emotional," which is exactly the way she wanted it to be.

And though she doesn't expect it to rack up the sales she enjoyed with Breakaway, she's okay with that.

"Even if it does tank—who cares? It's one album!" the singer told Entertainment Weekly.


"Even if it does tank-who cares? It's one album!" the singer told Entertainment Weekly.

THEY care, Kelly. You're suppose to make money for THEM!

The album is Clarkson's third, but the first on which she wrote or cowrote all of the songs. It is decidedly darker in tone than either her debut album...."

Do we know who she co-writes her songs with? Here we go, the perpetual slide into darkness.

Her tour is cancelled. Her reason given is that the tour is too much too soon.


I thought it said in this article that you're not filling up the arena's. Ticket sales are poor and fans who purchased tickets will be refunded.

06-16-2007, 07:56 PM
Right! Springsteen doesn't care about his sales.

They paid him a hundred million dollars so he can do what he wants whether he sells poorly or not!


They always give their money away.

I'm sure there are contingencies.

They're not going to let you walk away with their money if you don't produce profit for them.


Besides, I don't believe most of them control their own money, own the rights to their records, etc.

The moguls do!

Remember, it's about CONTROL. THEY control you. You don't control THEM.

THEY OWN YOU!!! Your music, etc. They're not going to watch you walk away, if possible, and make it on your own. Take your stuff with you. THEY MADE YOU. In many cases, they wrote the songs. They promoted you. THEY MADE YOU WHAT YOU ARE. WITHOUT THEM YOU'D BE NOTHING!

Their words! NOT MINE!

Michael Appel, Springsteen's former manager had a falling out with him and, as far as I'm concerned was "blacklisted."

Sure, some of them live a life of extravaganze, (provided for them) but you're not in control of your assets. They can bankrupt you at anytime.

This is a control mechanism.

06-16-2007, 08:34 PM
I think when people describe a singer as having a "unique" voice, it really means "not a very good voice."

The guitar playing is so weak and the tamborine shaking. WOW!!

I've never seen anything like it.

People who drool over pictures that are 30 years old, I would say are STUCK IN THE PAST or just plain WEIRD!!!

Pictures of a father with their children. My goodness, like this has never been done before.

It also doesn't depict normalcy.

06-16-2007, 08:45 PM
Could be the only satisfaction they derive from life; the only happiness they feel is when they're in front of an audience being WORSHIPPED. They're so isolated to begin with. Most of them dysfunctional from abusive families and part of the "satanic cult."

It's kind of like they're sucking the energy from the croud and it somehow transmits to them. Makes them feel alive. Otherwise, inside they're just dead!!!

The control/power aspect comes into play.

Seriously, folks. Think about it. If you had millions of dollars like the Stones, Maddonna, etc., don't you think you might want to take a break from the grueling traveling when touring? Don't you think you might want to go to an island for a year or so and meditate? Don't you think you just might want to do something different?

I would.

Yes, I loved music and I loved writing lyrics, but not the way they wanted me to. I didn't want to be owned and controlled. I didn't want any part of the disgusting pigs and their filth. For money? I'd rather be poor; although I've been blessed and I'm not.

I WANTED A NORMAL LIFE!!! as normal as possible after escaping them.

Some people will do anything for money. But, you know, money can't buy happiness.

Look at them! Do they seem happy? Drugs, rehab, breakdowns, climbing coconut trees at 50 plus years and falling out.

They can't break-away!

Do you think when Forbes' lists the Stones on the top 10 money-makers that all of this money belongs to them?

They promote you, they book your shows, they give you your equipment. THEY SELL YOU TO THE PUBLIC. THEY MAKE YOU WHAT YOU ARE!

YOU OWE THEM!! You owe them your BLOOD, SWEAT and TEARS.

You are "trapped" and live by a Code of Silence.

Madonna once said that she screams. She screams in her house and then people around her tell her she's going to be okay.

Is she screaming because she can't stand the pressure? Because she's trapped?

You have to produce for them. They don't just let you go!!!

Madonna. What a tool!!!

06-16-2007, 09:08 PM
At one point, on Springsteen's official site, when I was being emotionally "jerked around," I indicated that I felt like I just had to get away. Or that I had to be alone.

One of the "tools" on the site, who apparently doesn't have a job, other than posting 24/7 there like so many of them, and Springsteen's sister indicated I could talk to them. They were very good at counseling.

So, I conversed for a moment. The conversation focused on how when one of them needs a break, their husband goes fishing with the kids for a few days.

I said, well, my husband is always around. At that time, I felt like I couldn't be NEAR my husband. Probably due to the control mechanism. You know, when you're in a cult, it is really only the cult members you associate with. This is part of the brainwashing and isolation.

As I think back now, I wonder what kind of "mind games" they would have played if I had convinced my husband to leave for a few days.

This was at the height of my fear.

Another time, a poster by the name of BOSSANGEL appeared. I had posted under BlueAngel only briefly. They knew it was me and he said he was going to be in the same city I live in on Friday. This was an indication that we would be meeting. My bags were packed at this point and I was waiting.

When nothing transpired (I'm sure anger is what they wanted to induce) and they did, this "tool" said, "like her mother says, it's all water under the bridge."

I thought to myself. Are you nuts? Water under the bridge?

Yes. I'll just treat all of this abuse like it's water under the bridge.


To be alone would have been a major mistake and thankfully when I expressed to my husband this is what I felt, he advised AGAINST IT!

I couldn't run away from my past, is what he said.

What a wise man!!!

06-16-2007, 09:56 PM


Pure and simple.

As I watch you struggle in your attempts to re-gain control, I do not feel pleasure nor do I feel pity for you.


You are receiving the WILL OF GOD!

For those of you who persist in believing I will COME AROUND and re-enter your dreamworld, I can assure you that your awakening will be forthcoming and I am your worst NIGHTMARE!

06-17-2007, 09:12 AM
I'd start a "Pictures of me and my Husband" thread, but I don't partake in BABY games. Besides I don't seek to attempt to make anyone jealous.

Like I said, I don't care about you, your life or your wife.

One cannot be jealous if a man SHE doesn't love and never loved is married or with another woman.

Besides, I'm not the jealous type.

06-17-2007, 10:44 AM
Before I began to realize my "incarceration" within the music industry, I had known that in some way/fashion I was "programmed" to music/songs/lyrics.

I also knew, in the back of my head, when I began to awake that I had at some point in my life been headed toward fortune and fame. I knew as well that some kind of "political" role may be called for in my future.

Not political in the sense of holding office, but in the sense of becomming involved in this arena.

In order to retain my core, I had to "distance" myself from music when I was young. We know that music plays a role in making people suggestible, altering their consiciousness, reaching their subconscious. In my case; however, having been a direct victim of "mind control" within this industry, the effects were intolerable.

As I've stated, BETA programming is attached to many songs. Were the hoping this would turn me into a TRAMP who was Born to Run?

I have written that many of "Fleetwood Macs" lyrics are poisonous for me. Stevie Nick's voice sounds demonic/possessed. There are "triggers" as well.

Many of Janice Joplin's songs share the same category.

For instance, Joplin's Bobby McGee, is a "delta" trigger.

They know this and the reason it was mentioned.

I think the next topic we should address would be the "brains" within the music industry.

Those who collaborate with musicians to write lyrics, but are unknown and those who compose the music.

You're not going to tell me that every singer/songwriter out there; especially in the rock and roll category compose all of their music.

This just isn't so.

As I've mentioned about American Idol winner Kelly Clarkson.

She is a lyricist and musical composer, as well? Is Brittney Spears the same?

How 'bout Maddonna?

The answer is NO.

They are pretty faces, with mediocre voices and the rest is left up to those behind the scenes.

Arranging the music that plays into suggestibility and altered states; fixation and worship; addiction to the star.

I'm not talking away from their talent. I'm just saying that media-hype plays a role, of course, in making them into something they're not and so, too, do the "brains" behind the scenes.

06-17-2007, 11:34 AM
I've spoken about TAPES that are in the possession of my PROTECTORS from the past and present.

I have indicated that if anything should happen to me that was "suspicious" or my family members, these tapes would be released.

I don't believe that these tapes are purely recordings of me reporting the atrocities I endured, those involved, etc.

I am under the IMPRESSION that I was wired at some point. This, of course, more detrimental than just a recording of my voice, but also contains the recording of HIS voice, as well.

I remember being afraid that it would be found, but I was under instructions not to let him get near me, touch me. Find some excuse.

So, I did just that.

06-17-2007, 11:37 AM
Very curious how one of the most "foul mouthed" posters on his OFFICIAL site and UNOFFICIAL site has never been banned, but if someone starts a thread unrelated to POLITICS they are.

Can you imagine being the kind of MAN who would say, "go "f" yourself bloody?

Or the kind of man who would threaten to slice you from throat to b*lls?

Violent tendencies.

Disgusting pigs.

They speak for themselves! and their true colors shine through.

06-17-2007, 11:51 AM
I am in the process of compiling a list of the posters who were present during the time I was on his official site.

They are in no particular order, but I will have to say that VastRightWingConspiracy also known as @ as he admitted for a short time, was instrumental in getting the ball rolling towards my "altered state."

Emails to him were sent to VastVastVastyahoo.com. He goes by the name of Michael Cheney. Emails also sent to MichaelCheneymsn.net. He stated he has a black American Express card but also that he had to work three jobs to pay for braces for his kids. Professed at one point to be self-made millionaire. Something to that effect.

His signature for quite some time was "witness protection program off the coast of Florida."

Springsteen's close friend, as he stated, was also a major player. His username was DoubleNegativesAllowed.

Springsteen's sister, PaminCT, was present.

MadisonMel, CRT, tiesthatbind, nightstalker, holeyghost, JCainforBruce, GoBruceGo, BossAngel, Immy, EELawson, Scott1234, Hemi, donnap, BostonBlackie, Freedomfighter, flyingzambini, Darkie, Lampshade (first emails were PM's to this person when I said, but THEY said, and he said, what did they say? I replied that I didn't want to say it on the board and that was that he would trigger sexual programming). He replied, PM me, Darlin'.

Also present, Mr. Mercury, Hard2baSaint, Jillian, Dangerbird, Who Am I, punchbuggy, Gaz23, Kirkaiya, Paddy (major player), PM's were also sent to EELawson.

Bobinto, 2Hearts, Tougherthantherest, Louie, Iverille (stated I was back after I had left my house for a while), Mark, Blue (later ***, major player), CountrygirlColorado, Mary6742, RED, first amendment guy.

More names later.

06-17-2007, 11:53 AM
There was:

Bruce'sBabe, ManofPeace, Duck...

06-17-2007, 11:57 AM

Rubytooshoes, phoenixBob, NiceYoungMan, SecretGardener, Jehogan, robcar, Gman...

NiceYoungMan conducted the up, up, climbing, climbing, 25,000 feet exercise among other things.

06-17-2007, 12:02 PM
Immy asked if it was time for an "alternate reality?"

Donnap instructed all those without intelligence to leave the room.

HoleyGhost was the disgusting poster in the RightWingLounge together with another disgusting poster HEMI constantly talking about licking Charleze Theron's a**.

HoleyGhost and Hemi were responsible for posting information in emails that weren't sent to them on the board regarding LIES I told purposely to HIM about not having an orgasm with my husband during sexual intercourse.

Saying, I did what you told me to do.

HoleyGhost the one who said I should scream louder next time after they were apparently listening while my husband and I were intimate.

06-17-2007, 12:16 PM
When I had almost bought the LIES, in an altered state, believing that the INSTRUCTIONS I was armed with from my PROTECTOR(s), was Springsteen, Gaz27 said, or HIM using GAZ' username said, "who'd you think was talking to you, Charles Heston?"

Also, in one of the threads, of course, as per usual, there was alot of chatter in an attempt not to be able to pinpoint to whom a comment was being made.

Naturally, to me. A remark, "I finally found my Wendy."

DNA was the poster who said to the tiesthatbind when he was complaining about my cut and paste, "Carl, this isn't a free ride" and signed it Bruce.

Like I said on the site, "I've been down the rabbit hole and now I'm back."

I won't be returning there EVER!

06-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Vast is the poster who said, "Wendy, take your meds, you know what you have to do, and who posted the picture of a person in a strait jacket when another poster on his UNOFFICIAL site just recently started a THREAD saying he missed me.

DNA is the poster who gave me permission to eat and commented, "meltdown, anyone?"

CRT is the poster who authored the GOOD NIGHT THREAD with the songs I have mentioned in a previous post.

HoleyGhost authored the "RightWingLounge" with the words "cum on in."

HoleyGhost and MadisonMel were the posters, but CRT altered the state of consiousness first, who gave the command, "GO PACK."

Dangerbird is the poster, whom after I indicated in an email that I felt suicidal, came onto the site in order to control my mood into "happy" after the emotional state of depression was induced by them.

Abuser/protector role!

He also asked if I remembered where we were. Reference to one of Springsteen's songs, "hill of Virginia" were called up.

Dangerbird said he had some CD's, etc. he wished he could show me. Said I should sell my lyrics to LeAnn Rimes.

After I recalled disinformation about cutting up a baby, CRT posted a thread about some criminal act he committed.

RED posted lyrics to a song, I'm coming, I'm coming, I can't make it yet. Go down to pleasant stream....when I was thinking he was coming to get me.

Punchbuggy, after I began writing lyrics, when Vast wrote a good-bye thread, commented something like see, "see what you were meant to do."

06-17-2007, 01:01 PM
Hard2baSaint and Jillian were the posters who said, "it's not nice to tease the incarcerated" when I was not able to eat and a discussion of food was ongoing.

Freedomfighter, the one who indicated he had been used to blackmail senators and said I knew more than others and there were spooks sitting on the fence.

06-17-2007, 01:21 PM
When you look in MY eyes, is it me baby, or just a brilliant disguise?

I'd say when someone is looking into YOUR eyes, anyone's eyes, it would be THEM.

Is there another set of eyes that I'm missing in this song somewhere?

I mean, when my husband is standing in front of me, when I look in his eyes, it's him.

Who else would it be?

How does someone look into someone else's eyes and wonder if it is that person or a brilliant disguise?

Makes absolutely no sense.

06-17-2007, 01:27 PM
Oh, I get it. People from my past, abusers, brilliantly disguised themselves as you and when I looked in YOUR eyes, it wasn't you, it was THEM.

Someone is OUT TO GET YOU, personal vendetta so they "tricked me" into believing you were a perpetrator, but really weren't.

"Disinformation galore."

That gypsy. She lied!

06-17-2007, 02:16 PM
The "Picture Thread," was authored by Vast. Another poster whom I forget to mention, LordStanley, was the person to whom you emailed your picture to have placed on the thread.

Yes. This is where the "one big happy CULT family" came together.

During an email, he was hyperventilating because he had asked for a picture so that he would know it was ME!!

I emailed some pictures, but I think, in the long run they really wanted a picture of my on the thread believing, because of this, I wouldn't implicate any of them.

Vast asked if I was cute. I said, 'cute as a button.' This was during the beginning of my stay there. He began asking for a picture and I declined until the email some time later wanting to know that is was really me.

Then there was the email, "I love you, now what?" Then the email go back to your husband. I could never make you happy because of the past.

Then there was the email that this person I was corresponding with was really "beautiful Joseph," a poster on the site whose username was never revealed and he was intrigued with me and pretened to be Vast, Michael Cheney; whomever and that he had my pictures on his wall.

How am I doing as far as a "photographic memory" is concerned when one is not tortured, drugged, brutalized, hypnotized, altered, etc., to induce amnesia?

06-17-2007, 02:37 PM
When I was believing, to a limited degree, that I had been "programmed" against him. That they brainwashed me against him so that we couldn't be witnesses together and he was professing his love for me, I called his "bluff," and said divorce yoru wife.

Vast indicated he was divorcing his wife and rumors of Springsteen and his wife possibly separating/divorcing began to surface. As if!!!

Like I said, "this would be a condition in light of such an important matter?"

There was a comment by Vast once that I was his wife which plays into one of Springsteen's songs where disinformation is planted that we were married by a gypsy.

There was an email saying he wanted to telephone me and hear my voice, but not until I was ready.

I was told to KILL THE LIE of being programmed against him.

At one point, while revealing information on the site, and suicide commands surfaced, Mr. Mercury posted a song that had the lines (double-bind) something like, "is my baby alive, she danced herself to death."

Nice, huh?

Mind you, HE supposedly rescued me from the "satanic cult." Is knowledgeable about MKULTA/Project Monarch but not one single reference to this nefarious group is mentioned on his site.

06-17-2007, 02:49 PM
"Drama Queen, Feeling Ignored, I Don't Think You Have it in You, You Know What you Have to do and "make-up" in very fine print.

Another player to add to the list.

Anyone got a Passport, Jack??

One of their favorites:

"The writing is on the wall."

I'd certainly say it was. It's written all over these walls on CC.

06-17-2007, 02:58 PM
Patriot's behaving himself? Since when? Yep, you really reeled him back in step with the program."

A man filled with HATE, who thinks he's the leader of the free world (delusional); meets with the "big heads" at the Pentagon cleaning up the mess the rest of us created gives advice to those who aren't filled with hate that it only causes one's blood pressure to rise.

Go figure!!

The heated difference of opinions between him and another poster are intentional. They are on the same side of the fence.

Designed so that he can call her derrogatory names which really aren't meant for her.

06-17-2007, 03:29 PM
"This war is only going to get even more unpopular," you say.

I think proper grammer would, be:

This war is only going to become even less popular.

But, besides the point, when is a WAR popular?

The democrats were elected to do what the people wanted them to do, Sweetie, and they didn't because they all work for the same nefarious group. You should know about that!

So, you say, now the Democrats, those elected by the people to do as the people desire are now going to lose their jobs in the next election!!


Seems like both parties are corrupt.



There will be more, Sweetie!

06-17-2007, 04:22 PM
Yes, I'll have to agree that there is an abundance of childish behavior; however, it's more like pre-school and not pre-teen.


This Paddy/Patriot person is a foul-mouthed disgusting PIG and those who are a part of the operation, no doubt, defend him.

One particular poster (whether player or not to set him up for degrading remarks to her but inteneded for someone else) is referred to as worthless pieces of excrement, whore, prostitute by this man and THEY defend him because he is trying to get her to behave.

The FILTH goes on and on, but I've already mentioned the go f*ck yourself bloody comment he made.

Oh, no! These people don't appear to demonstrate the same type of behavior of the disgusting pigs I've described.



06-17-2007, 04:29 PM
I'd have to disagree with you on that one regarding the sig line.

When Paddy posts, he brings the level of maturity and filth into the gutter and, inasmuch as you and the rest of your ilk defend him, you join him there.

In the gutter, that is!

06-17-2007, 04:35 PM
I think Shadow once said HE/SHE felt sorry for my kids.

I feel sorry for his kids.

Look at his lyrics.

This is their father!!

That Reno song. The "little girl" songs. The on the prowl for a wild child song. All the songs with uncountable female names. The red-headed woman song. The Santa got a blow-job song. The I still get a good one off now and again song.


$250 up the a** by a 56 year old marrried, father of three.

YEP. What a hero!!!

06-17-2007, 04:42 PM
I guess when you are born and raised in filth, pay the price, you defend it.

Isn't that right, HOME?

06-17-2007, 07:07 PM
Interesting> I'm a muso myself and spent many years in the business. Never could get a break and not because I wasn't good enough. I constantly saw people who had no talent get places where they didn't belong. Having put a lot of my life into it, I now feel that I and many of my colleauges were sucked into "the empty promise of modern music".
There is certainly something in what you have said.

06-17-2007, 08:04 PM
I'd have to say that the poster Tim Rose on his official site may have caused the beginning of an altered state.

He never spoke, just posted lyrics to songs. One of the first songs he posted while I was there was Bob Dylan's "Master of Wars."

This really hit a nerve.

I believe the poster who wrote the poem about Springsteen's muse leaving him flailing again and it showing up in my word program was Hawk.

As far as trying to "trigger" the jealousy mode, Vast attempted this when I was walking with my husband, helicopter flew over and the his comment on the board was, "I'm out of here." Oh, this jealousy at some point was posted.

He wasn't jealous. It was to "trigger" that mechanism in me because shortly thereafter, posters would post "Bruce" sightings with his wife, etc.

As I have also written, the phrase, "you're obsessed with him" kept repeating and I recognized this as a programming trigger, as well.


06-17-2007, 08:24 PM
The sociopaths on his UNOFFICIAL site (same as his official site) are rampant.

They completely lack empathy for outsiders, those with differing political opinions; those who they try to control due to past history, such as myself.

The men are quite strange with their infatuation of Bruce and their exchanges with one another at times.

Their "corny" communication with each other is just that because it's just so sweet and way over the top. FAKE! They're trying way too hard because, in reality, they're sadistic.

Check out the area where the fans post and don't discuss politics. If they hear a "Bruce" song at a Home Depot store, they report it in a thread.


Anway, one of the posters referred to the most sane one there who isn't connected to the pack as a sociopath. This person is attacked endlessly for no other reason then having a difference of opinion (cult-like behavior); you know, you have to think like them.

At one point, DNA, Springsteen's life-long friend, said that HolyGhost was an MPD screaming to get out.

I forgot about Seth Ruffer. He was another poster on the UNOFFICIAL site. I was was talking to my daughter about how we felt like our hair was falling out and he came on the site and posted a thread similar to this.

You know, the listening in thing, again!

He was said something like, you know, us baby killers in another thread.

He also posted something very strange about Father's Day.

Something about his family not getting him anything for father's day so he chopped them all up into little pieces and buried them under the compost heap behind the garage.

06-18-2007, 06:54 AM
The "alter" MARY, destructive, was suppose to be the entity who was programmed against HIM after I returned from a Witness Protection Program which we know, of course, did not protect me.

The lyrics, "Mary, don't run back inside, you know what I'm here for" speak to this disinformation.

Wendy was ERASED and Mary took her place to keep me away from him.

Somehow, this Mary poster on his site was to play this role.

There was also a poster who was on the site before I arrived; Angelina. There was alot of arguing with her amongst the other posters.

She, too, was suppose to play some role from my past as well.

Mary6742 once asked me if she was the Mary I was referring to.

RIGHT! Why, you're one of my alters!!!!

Donnap once said, "now you're going to get a taste of your own medicine." Hence, the "RightWingLounge" was created and sexual programming triggered to its' height.

I'm sure when Hard2baSaint asked what Bruce music I had on my stereo, this was to suggest that I start listening to his music.

At that point, I had two of his CD's but never listened.

As far as the tapes. Well, I remember I kept telling my PROTECTORS that I just couldn't do it. Get me out. I just couldn't go back again, but I had to get HIM/THEM on tape.

The only way they could get me out. Yes, there is other evidence, but this was to put the "nail in the coffin," so to speak.

I so here myself repeating, "I can't go back. I can't ever go back. I can't see him."

Of course, they were not trying to be cruel. If not for their explanations, their insight, their knowledge way back then about this "satanic cult," I would not be where I am tody.

06-18-2007, 07:25 AM
Two other posters:

Johnny Canuck; for some reason this name repeats and YouandmeFrank. YouandmeFrank asked if I remembered "Jaboulah."

I continue to have the same memory and "brilliant disguise" might speak to this, as well.

I'm in a room and there are men around me. I'm on a bed. They are trying to "extract" information. Who did I talk to, what do I know? This may be the place I was convinced to go to by HIM for protection and thought that he was not present.

However, I know he is there. He is outside the room. The door is closed. I scream his name. Why are you letting them do this to me? Make them stop. You said they wouldn't hurt me. You said it was safe.

So, at this point, I know that I can't give them information. They are the ENEMY.

But, also remember that I was trained in the "art of extraction." Whether they used me in this role for sexual reasons involving diplomats, etc., this could be a possibility. But, I also learned to use this TOOL against them.

If he was there, and I believe that he was, he would come in and shout, stop doing this to her, playing the protector role, but in some sense acting as if he had been tricked.

So, no, there wasn't anyone who brilliantly disguised themselves as you.


"I met you on somebody's island, you thought I was somebody else. I brought you a crate of papaya's....." Stevie Winwood?

06-18-2007, 11:06 AM
Does this line from one of Springsteen's songs play into the "cult's" warning, "you better be careful what you wish for:

Oh, Bobby, oh, Bobby, don't you know that with every wish there comes a curse."

You know, Springsteen said it, so it must be true.

While on his OFFICIAL site, Vast would post "blank" comments. This was ongoing for quite some time. Freedomfighter said to him, "you committed perfidy; suffer in silence." Of course, this was a "trigger."

In the cult, "you are to suffer in silence." No tears were allowed. Crying wasn't allowed.

Red once commented to me that "I was a glutten for punishment."

I think coffee was a trigger for the "voices."

This was mentioned to be by someone I was emailing (not a poster from his site). Vast, one morning, posted, "Coffee?" That was about it. Just "Coffee?"

Now, onto Springsteen's song, "Rosalita."

Who is this Rosie? Who is this Wendy?

Well, you guessed it.

How 'bout this line from the song where he blurts out:

"The record company, Rosie, they just offered me a deal."

Yes, this song plays into the "your mamma didn't like me cause I played in a rock and roll band and your Daddy, well your Daddy, he never did understand."

False information. As I said, my parents were counting on me to get them out of the POOR HOUSE.

06-18-2007, 03:41 PM
I remember after my brain had been "scrambled" being told that I had to listen to his songs for "clues" as to the past.

I wondered why can't you just tell me. Well, as I've said, you know, it would be called tampering with a witness.

I said I didn't want to listen to his songs because they provided no information. They depressed me; changed my mood and besides I had no idea who or what he was singing about.

Your songs make NO SENSE to me, I said.

Makin' love with crazy janey in the dirt, hazy davy, gypsy angel row, blinded by the light, wrecked up like a deuce, spirit in the night, use the chimney not the door, blah, blah, blah.

I said, you know what, why don't you just tell me what you're singing about?

I said, you can't tell me what you're singing about because you don't even know.

"in the dumps with the mumps, tripped the merry go round, teenage diplomat, mission man, blah, blah, blah.

Who writes these stuff for you, I asked.

06-18-2007, 05:49 PM
How disgusting.

The things that come out of their mouths.

The "filth" that they are.

Something like:

A dirty douchebag is preferable to a dirty vagina and a clean douchebag.

06-18-2007, 08:02 PM
I wrote previously that I was programmed to believe I couldn't sing, couldn't carry a tune.

The truth of the matter is that he can carry a tune but not very well.

This is evident when viewing performances at various shows throughout his career on YouTube.

What they do in the studio must be amazing.

06-19-2007, 09:32 AM
clakka wrote:
Interesting> I'm a muso myself and spent many years in the business. Never could get a break and not because I wasn't good enough. I constantly saw people who had no talent get places where they didn't belong. Having put a lot of my life into it, I now feel that I and many of my colleauges were sucked into "the empty promise of modern music".
There is certainly something in what you have said.

WOW! How'd this get by me?

Can you tell US what a MUSO is?

Also, feel free to add any IMPORTANT information you might have on this thread about the "corrupt" music industry if you so desire or start one of your own, if you'd like.

Couldn't agree with you more. There CERTAINLY is SOMETHING in what I've written or I wouldn't have written it.

06-19-2007, 09:59 AM
To those who served their country in another way, such as myself, MAY GOD BLESS YOU for having the strength to be amongst them for so long!

My father never served his country for reasons I never accepted. Such as too "anxious." I believe it may have been because of "mental illness."

I had "false" memories that he had served in other ways.

"X" marks the spot!

I also had "false" memories that the "embedded" instructions to KEEP ME ALIVE in the past and when I recently awoke were from my father and/or Springsteen.

I don't know what the medical "term" is for people who are obsessed with talking about "bodily functions," violence, who are in "love" with themselves and constantly put others down, but I'm sure there are several and these people fall within all of them.

06-19-2007, 10:50 AM
Two lines from two different Springsteen songs:

"You, me and the love we're bringing into the real world."

"Faith will be rewarded."

Who does he think he is?


Truly his fans have been drinking the BRUCE kool-aid for way too long.

On another note:

Something like:

to a poster or covert message:

"now die...(listens to a laugh track)!!

Their MENTAL ILLNESS(es) is beginning to surface even more so than I imagined it would.

06-19-2007, 11:04 AM
Seriously, what song is that line from:

"You, me and the love we're bringing into the real world."

Aren't you living in the real world?

What world are you living in? A dream-world?

Who is the ME? When was this song written? Does the ME refer to your fans, your wife?


Anyone in particular?

What about the line from one of his songs, "faith will be rewarded."

You're going to personally reward someone for their faith?

Faith in what?

Their "blind faith" in you?

Who is it you're going to reward? All of your fans?

How 'bout this line:

"I will provide for you and I'll stand by your side."

Who are you going to provide for?

Whose side are you going to stand by?

Are you going to provide for all of your fans?

Who are YOU talking to?

06-19-2007, 11:12 AM
What's with this verse from a Springsteen line:

Follow that dream
wherever it may lead
Come on, follow that dream
to find the love you need

Are his fans in such a suggestible state after being subjected to his "mind control" tactics for so long that they actually dream about him, find the love they need through infatuation with him, don't see through clear but cloudy vision?

Since when do you find LOVE in a dream?

Love exists in reality, DUH!!

Follow a dream wherever it may lead!!

No, thanks!!

I walk with my eyes open and my lips don't remain sealed cause I'm livin' in the real world and not a dream.

Doesn't he have another line in a song something like:

"Follow that dream down."

Geez, if you tell someone they're dreaming for decades, they just might be placed in a "dream world" that circles around him.

Talk about his fans being sucked out of reality and into this world.

Talk about sucking the life out of people.

Like I said, "Soul suckers."

06-19-2007, 11:58 AM
While you're there X-men, pay attention to the "fine print."

Proves that the walls "still have ears."

When I first arrived at Springsteen's official site, there was one particular member with opposing viewpoints of the "cult."

Not that he is a Republican or Democrat, just that, like me, he understands that both parties are corrupt.

When he arrived on the scene, there was an attack on him.

I kind of sat idly by watching because the posters there seemed to know him.

I, on the otherhand, wasn't familiar with him.

I'm certain they were attempting to "brainwash" me against him because their view is that Republicans are responsible for everything and Democrats are going to save America.

As I've stated previously, I AM CERTAIN that there were those present on Springsteen's OFFICIAL site who knew me from the past and/or knew of me.

This is why I have not named them. They were not mind controllers and/or abusers from my past and played no role in the "covert operation" that the OTHERS were involved in with respect to ME.

There was one poster who reminded me of the constitution when I was in emotional distress, believing the lies, and this, my friend, helped me immensely. THANK YOU!!

Because, as you know, I was forced into a horrible situation, but I took an oath, a vow and a pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and not a "satanic cult."


Blue also known later as *** said at one point, "soldier dismissed." At that time, I was believing the lies and knew this was directed at me. I'm sure, although I was believing the lies about Springsteen's role in my past, I was also recalling information about Cheney, Bush, Sr., Kerry and other matters, that this "player" was attempting to command me into dismissal.

Very strange character. Spoke in "broken English" or code or some other dialect. MadisonMel referred to him as one of the "elders" of the group.

Springsteen once said at one of his shows something like:

"may the truth out."

I assure you, it will.

But, remember, with every wish there comes a curse.

06-19-2007, 02:17 PM
Referring back to the jealousy "suggestion," the "gay" suggestion as it was to pertain to my husband, but, of course, doesn't.

We know the jealousy suggestion was implemented for their purposes and didn't work.

When you know what someone is, and I've explained my opinion from past knowledge and present contact, no need to repeat the words, JEALOUSY could and would never present.

It is really strange that anyone would want someone to be jealous over them; about them even if they weren't sadistic.

But they are, hence the reason.

I don't get it.

I mean, why would someone waste their time even thinking this is the case? Why would they want another person to be jealous over them? What effect would this have?

To attract them back? I guess that's all I can come up with, cause there isn't any other explanation and I don't KNOW JEALOUSY. IT is not a friend of mine.

Besides, there isn't anything to be jealous about. What? Should I be jealous that he's married and I'm not being psychologically, emotionally and mentally abused? Is that what I should be jealous about?

My husband certainly doesn't spend time trying or suggesting that I'm jealous about him and any contact he may have with other women professionally.

But, again, when I was released into the world, FREED by my PROTECTORS, I was still subconsciously living, to a certain degree, the "triggers" they installed.

So, when I first married, I was jealous of any contact my husband had with women. Afterall, he is very sexy and good-looking, kind hearted, but that wasn't me. I know he is not this type of a man!! PERIOD!!

So, then there are the words that repeat. "Do you know how many women he has been with?" How many girls; how many affairs. If you stray once, you'll most likely always stray.

Of course, this doesn't refer to my husband.

Do you think he would ever or could ever be faithful?

He can't keep his you know what in his pants.

Sex maniac!

That, too, is an illness.

06-19-2007, 03:09 PM
That quote into the future is a RIDICULOUS suggestion.

As if....

06-19-2007, 03:13 PM
"Nothing is forgotten or forgiven when it's your last time around."

Is this another Springsteen line that his fans live by?

They act like some of these lines actually make sense.

They cling to them like words of WISDOM.


Okay, whatever!!!

They don't live by the "Code of Silence" like HE does, but seems they live their lives according to the "Bruce Code."

06-19-2007, 03:20 PM
Here; this is a description of one of the disorders that plaque those on HIS site and him, as well:

People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and expectations are not met.

06-19-2007, 04:50 PM
Another uplifting song by Bruce Springsteen

Racing in the Street
Bruce Springsteen

I got a sixty-nine Chevy with a 396
Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor
She's waiting tonight down in the parking lot
Outside the Seven-Eleven store
Me and my partner Sonny built her straight out of scratch
And he rides with me from town to town
We only run for the money got no strings attached
We shut 'em up and then we shut 'em down

Tonight, tonight the strip's just right
I wanna blow 'em off in my first heat
Summer's here and the time is right
For goin' racin' in the street

We take all the action we can meet
And we cover all the northeast state
When the strip shuts down we run 'em in the street
From the fire roads to the interstate
Some guys they just give up living
And start dying little by little, piece by piece
Some guys come home from work and wash up
And go racin' in the street

Tonight, tonight the strip's just right
I wanna blow 'em all out of their seats
Calling out around the world, we're going racin' in the street

I met her on the strip three years ago
In a Camaro with this dude from L.A.
I blew that Camaro off my back and drove that little girl away
But now there's wrinkles around my baby's eyes
And she cries herself to sleep at night
When I come home the house is dark
She sighs "Baby did you make it all right"
She sits on the porch of her daddy's house
But all her pretty dreams are torn
She stares off alone into the night
With the eyes of one who hates for just being born
For all the shut down strangers and hot rod angels
Rumbling through this promised land
Tonight my baby and me we're gonna ride to the sea
And wash these sins off our hands

Tonight tonight the highway's bright
Out of our way mister you best keep
'Cause summer's here and the time is right


This song or part of it was posted while I was on HIS site and I think I wrote lyrics back to the verse that suggests when I was young I sat on my Daddy's porch with the eyes of one who hates being born.

I would say that the line "with the eyes of one who hates being born" is a suggestion and you know to what end.

"If you hate being born so much, why don't you kill yourself then?" Those would be the words spoken back in the day.

I'd say, I'm not sorry I was born. I am just sorry I was born into this family, this filth and that I ever met you, but I'd never kill myself and allow those responsible for my victimization the "easy way out."

That's what was said, as well. It's the easy way out. I said, it's a coward's way out and I'm not a coward. Oh, we can make it easy for you. Show you just where to cut the vein.

Well, go ahead, but I'll never kill myself. The man in the stocking again comes to mind.

If I wasn't going to do it. They'd do it and make it look like a suicide.

I certainly don't hate being born and I certainly will NEVER sit and stare into space. That was an after effect of being traumatized.

The staring off in space is what I was doing and use to do after I returned from torture. It was said I was in a "catatonic state." Just stares off into space. The lyrics in this song, of course, is a suggestion to do just that. Isolation. Shut the world out.

I was somewhat doing that while I was on his site. Remember, when your inside a "cult," isolation from the rest of the world is mandatory. It occurs through brainwashing, mind control, etc. You are afraid to tell anyone about them and this is why in the beginning I began to feel like I had to flee from my family. I knew what was occuring on their site, but I struggled to do what I had to do. MY JOB!!

I also wanted to get away from them. If they could have DESTROYED my marriage and sucked me so far out of reality and into their world and then LEFT ME, I may have really been suicidal or catatonic or institutionalized again. This was their hope.

However, I learned to stay "connected to reality." I know their tricks better than they do.

Although I don't remember which song has the lyrics with a barefoot girl drinking a warm beer on the hood of her car, and didn't even know where it come from at the time, I commented that if you come by my house, I'll be sittin' on the hood of my care barefoot drinking a beer.

That reminds me, there was a barefoot girl poster, as well.

I also commented, tell HIM Wendy's in town. That reminds me, too, there was a Wendy poster, of course.

Certainly, I know why this song was posted.

Read the above lyrics, again!!

Here, he has a partner Sonny and as in many of his songs he reference the PROMISED LAND. This may be another suggestion, such as heaven is waitin' on down the tracks. It's always about going to heaven. How do you get there? We know. You must end your life first, right?

This song is creepy. He met a little girl on the strip in a Camaro. Blew the Camaro off its' back and drove the LITTLE GIRL away.

All of a sudden, she's no longer a little girl. She has wrinkles.

The song jumps from when he comes home to her, the house is DARK, to her sittin' on her Daddy's porch.

Did he kidnap a little girl in this song and somehow she made it back home?

Here we go again, all HER pretty dreams are torn and it isn't HIM who has the sins in this song, it's both of them.

Sounds to me like Springsteen's done some sinnin' in his lifetime according to his lyrics.

I'd agree with that.

Maybe he needs to go down to the river and wash them away.

06-19-2007, 04:55 PM
Why would any other musician sing this song?

Go figure!!

06-19-2007, 05:19 PM
I never knew anyone in my life by the name of CHRIS, except one person.

06-19-2007, 05:22 PM
Well, seriously, you have to admit that the song is creepy, isn't it?

It's also laced with suggestions!

He met a "little girl" on the strip and drove her away.

Next thing you know, he comes home, the house is dark.

Next thing you know, she's sittin' on her Daddy's porch staring into space with the eyes of one who hates for just being born.


Is it really about "racing in the streets?"

I, for one, don't think so.

And, so, enters the man with the stocking on his face and the BOOTS on his feet.

06-19-2007, 05:23 PM
I'll never forget those BOOTS!

06-19-2007, 05:28 PM
This man tried to make me kill myself, but I wouldn't do it so, as I said, it was made to look like a suicide attempt.

My older sister was present and I'm sure she corroborated the "suicide attempt."

Money under the bed. Razor blades there, too. It being said my younger sister was a cleptomaniac; took money from the kitchen table and razor blades, as well, and put them under the bed.

My older sister reached under the bed for something and cut her fingers.

NO!! The money under the bed was a bribe. My sister would do anything for money under mind control and fear.

HE tried to kill me.

06-19-2007, 05:31 PM
I would say, "Chris, they're sick people." They are so sick. He's sick. He's so sick. I can't tell you all the things he does to me. They're so disgusting.

06-19-2007, 05:32 PM
The BASTARD tried to make me kill myself and when I wouldn't do it, HE attempted to make it look like a suicide. Involving my sister, as well.

06-19-2007, 06:26 PM
Well, folks, now that my memories have catapulted me back to the man in the mask, I must continue.

But, before I do, when I was reporting to my protectors, the grotesque sexual acts that they subjected me to were so humiliating, degrading, etc., that I had a difficult time repeating them. But, I did. I could tell them because, as they said, they did not think any less of me. They knew it was forced upon me.

The money under the bed was most probably just a cover. They needed this, because the razor blades were under the bed. What were they going to say, my younger sister was a cleptomanic and stole razor blades.

I don't believe my older sister was offered money. As I just said, it was a tatic in order to account for the razor blades.

My parents most probably went out and knew what would ensue. They were sick people. Remember, as long as I was alive, they would live their lives in fear. I had broken the "Code of Silence" that Springsteen lives by. That they all live by. They would rather I be dead, so they would not be worried about themselves, my other sisters. Sacrifice, yes.

The man is wearing a stocking on his face. Not sure, but I think by gunpoint my sister was forced to reach under the bed and get the razor blades. She was threatened if she didn't.

She was forced to do what she did to me. It was my right wrist and I am right-handed.

She was told to leave me bleeding. Leave me for dead when he left. Not to make a move cause he might come back.

I see myself crawling to the front door and onto the sidewalk. At this point, I think my sister ran to our neighbor for help.

Of course, no one expected me to survive and remember the "trademark" boots. I couldn't describe him because he had a stocking on his face, but I knew it was him.

Afterwards, I was probably institutionalized for being suicidal. As I continued to protest this, I was met with rejection of course, by my parents because if I implicated my sister they would take her away. Split up the family. I couldn't prove that someone else was there and she would never talk about it.

I wrote the following lines several years ago:

Someone tried to kill me
still today I do not know
MKULTRA/Project Monarch
the CIA and mind control

It wasn't an alter. I remember talking to my father after being "sent away" as a threat to myself. He would say, "let the doctors help you" and I would say, "I didn't do it."

Why wouldn't my sister corroborate the man in the mask?


06-19-2007, 06:37 PM
Bruce Springsteen

Dark weekends in the sun out on Chelsea Road
Descending the stairs, Frankie, my one
Check your makeup in the mirror c'mon babe let's go
We'll dance 'round this dirty town 'til the night is all done
Let all the finer things sleep alone tonight
Let all the minor kings lose their thrones tonight
Don't worry about us, baby, we'll be alright

Well everybody's dying, this town's closing down
They're all sittin' down at the courthouse waiting for 'em to take the flag down
I see strange flashes in the sky up above
Gonna spend the night at the drive-in with the one that I love
At dusk the stars all appear on the screen
Yeah, just like they do each night in my dreams
But tonight's no dream, Frankie, I can feel myself too
Well now and forever my love is for you

Walk softly tonight little stranger
Yeah into these shadows we're passing through
Talk softly tonight, little angel
You make all my dream worlds come true

Well lately I've been standing out in the freezing rain
Readin' them want ads out on Chelsea Road
I'm winging down the street in search of new games
Hustling through these nightlights' diamond glow
Well Frankie I don't know what I'm gonna find
Maybe nothing at all, maybe a world I can call mine
Shining like these streetlights down here on the strand
Bright as the rain in the palm of your hand

Walk softly tonight, little stranger
Into the shadows where lovers go
Talk softly to me, little angel


What is the female proper name for the nickname, Frankie?


Is he singing to a man?

Or, what?

Sounds like it to me.

06-19-2007, 06:38 PM
Who in the heck is Frankie????


06-19-2007, 06:52 PM
Bruce Springsteen

Sleepy town ain't got the guts to budge
Baby, this emptiness has already been judged
I wanna go out tonight, I wanna find out what I got

You're a strange part of me, you're a preacher's girl
And I don't want no piece of this mechanical world
Got my arms open wide and my blood is running hot

We'll take the midnight road right to the devil's door
And even the white angels of Eden with their flamin' swords
Won't be able to stop us from hitting town in this dirty old Ford

Well it don't take no nerve when you got nothing to guard
I got tombstones in my eyes and I'm running real hard
My baby was a lover and the world just blew her away

Once they tried to steal my heart, beat it right outta my head
But baby they didn't know that I was born dead
I am the iceman, fighting for the right to live
I say better than the glory roads of heaven better off riding
Hellbound in the dirt, better than the bright lines of the freeway
Better than the shadows of your daddy's church
Baby, better off is the Search


In this song, he's with a preacher's daughter.

06-19-2007, 06:57 PM
Why would anyone want to hear this song live or otherwise.

Johnny Bye-bye
Bruce Springsteen

She drew out all her money from the Southern Trust
And put her little boy on a Greyhound Bus
Leaving Memphis with a guitar in his hand
On a one-way ticket to the promised land
Hey little girl with the red dress on
There's party tonight down in Memphis down
I'll be going down there if you need a ride
The man on the radio says Elvis Presley's died

We drove down into Memphis, the sky was hard and black
Up over the ridge came a white Cadillac
They'd drawn out all his money and they laid him in the back
A woman cried from the roadside "Ah he's gone, he's gone"
They found him slumped up against the drain
With a whole lot of trouble running through his veins
Bye-bye Johnny
Johnny bye-bye
You didn't have to die


How many people are in this song?

Him, a "little girl" with a red dress on, she who put the little boy on the greyhound bus, the guy leaving Memphis with the guitar in his hand.

The "promised land" surfaces again.

06-19-2007, 07:09 PM
Point Blank
Bruce Springsteen

Do you still say your prayers darlin' do you go to bed at night
Prayin' that tomorrow, everything will be alright
But tommorow's fall in number, yeah, in number one by one
You wake up and you're dying, you don't even know what from

Well they shot you point blank, you been shot in the back
Baby point blank you been fooled this time little girl that's a fact
Yeah, right between the eyes, baby, point blank
Right between the pretty lies little girl you fell

You grew up where young girls they grow up fast
You took what you were handed and left behind what was asked
But what they asked baby wasn't right
You didn't have to live that life,
I was gonna be your Romeo you were gonna be my Juliet
These days you don't wait on Romeo's you wait on that welfare check
And on all the pretty things that you can't ever have
And on all the promises that always end up...

Point blank, shot between the eyes
Baby, point blank like all the little white lies you tell yourself to ease the pain
You're walkin' in the sights, girl of point blank
And it's one false move and baby the lights go out

Once I dreamed we were together again, yeah, baby you and me
Back home in those old clubs the way we used to be
We were standin' at the bar, it was hard to hear
The band was playin' loud and you were shoutin' somethin' in my ear
You pulled my jacket off and as the drummer counted four
You grabbed my hand and pulled me out on the floor
First you just stood there and then we started dancin' slow
And as I pulled you tighter I swore I'd never let you go

Well I saw you last night down on the avenue
Your face was in the shadows but it was you
You were standin' in the doorway out of the rain
You didn't answer when I called out your name
You just turned, and then you looked away
Like just another stranger waitin' to get blown away

Point blank, right between the eyes
Baby, point blank, right between the pretty lies you fell
Point blank, you been shot straight through the heart
Baby, point blank,
You've been twisted up till you've become just another part of it
Point blank, shot straight through the heart
Baby, point blank, you've been twisted up...
Baby, point blank, you been shot straight through the heart
You've been shot straight through the heart
Baby point blank walkin' in their sites
Point blank, just one false move Baby the lights go out.


I cannot stress this enough!!

Read the lyrics to this mans' songs!!

They are SICK!!!!

Particularly the last line in this song!

His lyrics reflect who and what he is!

06-19-2007, 07:11 PM

A song that sounds like he kidnapped a little girl; a song about being on the prowl for a wild child; a DEATH THREAT in Point Blank.

06-19-2007, 07:42 PM
So, I wonder what the Springsteen fans on this site think right about now!!!

06-19-2007, 09:46 PM
When I was just a "little girl"
I watched real proud the flag unfurl
patriotic to the core
blessed by men who had the key
to let me soar and set me free
from the ties that bound
my soul in hell

they held me up when I thought I'd fall
the helped me scrape
they helped me crawl
up from the pits of Satan's spell
they watched me scream
they heard me yell

when I told them of their "dirty deeds"
they sowed my garden
they planted seeds
they told me what I had to do
they guided me
they took my hand
they trained me for the task at hand

these men of whom I speak to you
were moral, wise and never cruel
if not for them I would not speak
if not for them I would not seek
the justice that must yet be served
for what they did to this "little girl"

The light I shine is not just for me
it's for all of us
the one's you cannot see
those snuffed out at Bohemia Grove
thrown from the train
when they were too old

The light I shine is not just for me
it's for all of us
the one's you cannot see
their souls forsaken will not be in vain
because, GOD, you know works in mysterious ways

06-19-2007, 10:19 PM
Springsteen is tainted by his affiliation with Kerry, you say!!

He's tainted, PERIOD!!

Do you seriously think that anyone in this country cares who Springsteen endorses as President other than his "brainwashed fans" who dont' really matter??

Springsteen, in the minds of his fans, plays some kind of important political role, which he doesn't.

That's because they're brainwashed.

His fans think that because he can lead them by the nose, that he leads the rest of the country, too.

Wake up to reality!!

He's insignificant other than in your "altered state of consciousness" which he helped create for you so that he appears to be some sort of hero/worship figure.

Similar to a "cult-like" scenario.

All others on the outside looking in shake their heads in amazement.

Politically speaking, no one cares what DAMAN, the BOSS says except his fans who are in "la la land."

I would suggest that dedicating "love songs" to Kerry, who was in the audience at one of his shows wasn't a very good idea.

But, again, his FANS didn't even catch this. They thought it was great.


Because they live in "Bruce Land." They live in "la la Land."

06-20-2007, 07:31 AM
I most certainly wouldn't want to be the female he's talking about in POINT BLANK and I wouldn't wish it upon any other female either!

But, then again, it must be one of those songs that you look at in the end and don't know where it came from.

That said, IMO it is one of the creepiest of his songs!

I remember saying to my PROTECTORS when it was all OVER, all said and done; enough evidence gathered that I didn't EVER want to go back there and retreive any more information.

I was assured that I didn't have to!

I was like a carrier pigeon for GOOD CAUSE.

They're psychotic and as THEM described on their thread about MKULTRA/Project Monarch, psychotic breaks in one's personality are created. They are a by-product of the trauma-based programming.

It was evident then that they were psychotic and it is evident even more so now.

I was young and didn't understand this disorder. How can HE/THEY be nice one minute and MEAN and nasty the next?

A psychotic person can have a normal conversation one minute; act like a caring individual, but then switch to a violent person the next.

My father was somewhat like that!

This is what they wanted to acheive in me.

Any little thing might set them off. A disagreement; but, in particular, if you are not OBEYING them.

One minute, all is well, the next, something triggers THEM into a side of their personality that lacks empathy, compassion, etc., that which makes them the "sadistic pigs" that they are.

I have just remembered that I knew a male by the name of Chris when I was young.

We bought a horse when I was in 6th grade and I knew him from Lucky Penny Ranch where we boarded our horse. I may have known him before that time, but I'm not sure.

When Lucky Penny ranch was closed, we moved our horse to Crooked Creek Ranch.

06-20-2007, 07:34 AM
TorchLitHill said:

dON'T INSPIRE THE OTHER BALL TO DROP,, REALIZE where you might think you are first and ponder further/././0p=\09

sooner or later you must probably ask whether you might be in a depth that must be quenched?

BA could possibly drain my intense throbbing member?

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the world still might be salvageable.
When we speak aloud, and together, we will show our courage.
Posted on: 2007/6/20 2:46

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Blue, take a fuvken ponderance,

by the way . have you ever gone bird watching and seen the great swallow?

Will you try to get me arrested?
Live Better, than I might have...
the world still might be salvageable.
When we speak aloud, and together, we will show our courage.
Posted on: 2007/6/20 2:59

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Anyways, I found that your not bennificial, please hand in your papers !
Live Better, than I might have...
the world still might be salvageable.
When we speak aloud, and together, we will show our courage.

06-20-2007, 07:35 AM
TorchLitHill said:

I'm fucken doing my duty!
I would think blue angel has nice tits?

06-20-2007, 07:37 AM
TorchLitHill said:

Hey Ba>And the world must aquire greate vision, >?)976hvfo42yo

I hope you great wisdom, but I also wish you great hope, WHO THe FUCK cares the details!
By the way I did find my pipe ^7%(99
Are we determined to be in north of the NILE, (LET THE WOrLD LEARN TO BREATH DEEP, amd I might comprehend your future , who the fuck knew I was a meglomaniac?

06-20-2007, 08:12 AM
But, then again, this poster on his UNOFFICIAL site and OFFICIAL site whom I talked about several posts ago, who stated that he didn't serve in combat, but served his country in other ways, could, quite possibly, be a "strawman."

Could have known about the information I had regarding the fact that my father never served in combat either, but it was said he served in other ways.

As I stated, my father never served his country in other ways.

But, those who protected me certainly did just as I have served my country in other ways, but it included combat.

No, not in a war in a "foreign land," but in hand to hand combat to save my soul and life from them.

What would be the reason for this person to be a PLANT on the site as a "strawman?"

Would it be to draw me back believing one of my protectors was there?

Could be a possibility.

For this reason, operating as a "lone wolf" was and has always been necessary until it is time to go PUBLIC.

06-20-2007, 09:59 AM
What gave him away was the "Carry On" command posted on the unofficial site by him after some of his comments.

This command was used as well while I was on the OFFICIAL site.

Just like being in the military, "CARRY ON."

If this person could use the "phrase," he served his country in other ways in an attempt to portary himself as one of MY PROTECTORS, I may jump back on board because of their "disgusting" remarks to him; I may go to the UNOFFICIAL and read threads where "triggers" and degrading remarks for me and/or commands like "shut-up" might be placed.

In the end, hoping they could "call up an alter" and place me back under their control, not seeing with clear vision, and into a dream-world of lies again.

Once while on his OFFICIAL site, in an email, it was said, SLEEP DEEP, you have responsibilities in the morning.

The command "carry on" was the first comment I saw on the board when I awoke.

After I reported about abuse at Grey Bull Lodge and went through the reliving of this memory, I distanced myself from the board. A poster (?) appeard and said, "I want a report on my desk in the morning" and so I complied with an explanation as to how a "victim/survivor" feels after recalling trauma from the past.

At one point, while VAST was silent on the board, posting blank comments, one of the posters asked him, "what's wrong, son?" I believe this was Springsteen's sister.

Vast commented while on the site that he was ready for a SCANDLE leading me to believe he would be involved in exposing the criminals.

06-20-2007, 10:28 AM
During the beginning of my awakening process, I had a memory that my father had worked as a prison guard in upstate New York at Lacawanna (not sure if this is where it is located and of the spelling).

However, this is false. It is disinformation to cover-up the fact that I knew where his father worked and had reported it to my PROTECTORS.

I also had disinformation that my father was a FREEMASON. He was not. My family had connections to the mafia/pornography. This goes back to his brother-in-law, as well.

I can't imagine how his father became so-called wealthy from owning a row-boat house where CO-OP City now sits. My Aunts sold the boathouse to the developer after my grandfather died.

They had speedboats and I'm beginning to wonder if these were used for drugs in some way.

His father was a FREEMASON and his sister stated on the OFFICIAL site, "Daddy was a freemason."

Another poster referred to BLUE as one of the elders of the group.

Where else do you have elders in a group??

That's right.

I referred to his sister not using her proper name but a nickname.

So, is this what the following Springsteen lines refer to:

"where they bring you up to do like your Daddy done."


something like, "he hopes his kid's sins will be their own."

Like I said, he chose his PATH for fortune and fame.

As far as him being in the hometown paper in his song NOTHING MAN, I believe there may have been an article about me; perhaps the suicide attempt. Not sure.

Because the first thing I wanted to do was to contact newspaper's archives looking for same.

In order to play the protector role while on his site, the lyrics to "Independence Day" where emailed to me.

This song depicts everyone (evil doers, I suppose) leaving town.

06-20-2007, 10:56 AM
Do you think MY PROTECTORS told me their names? Do you think I knew what they looked like?

The answer is NO.

They were "insiders" working to uncover this nefarious group and they have been for decades. They, too, probably had a cover.

In any event, this was for their protection as well as mine.

If I knew their names, what they looked like, I would be forced to tell under torture.

They would be killed, no doubt.

When they were trying to torture their names out of me, I would repeatedly say, "as I was instructed," if I knew their names, do you think I would continue to let you torture me? Do you think I'm enjoying this?

Tell us what they look like, describe them to us? If I knew what they looked like, "same answer as above..."

Do you think they're stupid enough to tell me their names so that you can kill them and me, too?

They wore disguises to a certain degree. Not masks, but maybe wigs, etc.

I told my abusers that if they killed me, MY PROTECTORS would release the tapes!

So, no Springsteen was not a protector who wore a brilliant disguise or used different names.

This is just more disinformation contained in many of his songs.

However, there was someone who played the role as such at one point, because when I relayed what I remembered to him, either Springsteen or someone else, the "elders" would find out and I knew it was coming from them.

He would be lumped in there as one of the OTHERS.

I was advised by my PROTECTORS that I was giving information to the wrong person(s).

They are not what they appear!

06-20-2007, 04:59 PM
This song epitomizes the type of lyrics that can be used to alter one's consciousness. Hypnotic/trance like state if you are a victim of mind control and/or a music fanatic addicted to particular artists who place you under their spell.

With Springsteen, the method seems to be dreaming, songs with many different female names as if he's singing to his female audience, sexual content for BETA trigger.


Seriously, if you visit The Promised Land at his Unofficial site, there is actually a thread dedicated to what dream you had about Springsteen.

I'd prefer to dream about Matthew! but don't.

You And I

High above the mountains
far across the sea
I can hear your voice
calling out to me

Brighter than the sun
and darker than the night
I can see you love
shinning like a light

and on and on this Earth spins
like a caroussel
If I could travel 'cross the world
theses secrets
I would tell

You and I
were meant to fly
higher than the clouds we'll sail across the sky
so come with me
and you will feel
that we're soaring
that we're floating up so high
coz you and I were meant to fly

Sailing like a bird
High on the wings of love
take me higher than all the stars above
I'm burning, yurning, gently turning round and round
I'm always rising up
I'd never want to come back down

You and I
were meant to fly
higher than the clouds we'll sail across the sky

so come with me (so come with me)
and you will feel (and you will feel)
that we're soaring
that we're floating up so high
coz you and I were meant to fly

ooohh flyyyyyyyyyy

06-20-2007, 09:40 PM
I read in an article that Jessie Malin was being penned as a "storyteller."

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Springsteen, the GREAT "storyteller" who, when he writes a song, in the end doesn't know where it came from.

Springsteen and Jessie perform a duet of his song, "Broken Radio."

This song includes the words "little girl."

I'm just wondering!!

Is it possible that Springsteen might be one of Jessie Malin's handlers?

Bob Seger and Kid Rock perform together in Detroit quite often and seem to share some kind of bond. Rock inducted Seger into the Hall of Fame.

I've written about that on this thread.

Kid Rock said something like, "Lord knows, he's paid the price."

Elders are elders, aren't they? Teaching them the ropes???

Just somewhat eerie that Springsteen, with an
uncountable number of the words "little girl" in his songs, happens to "hook up" with another up and coming musician and wants to do this duet with him that uses the words "little girl."

Are they pushing Jessie up the ladder now that he's out of training or something?

One of Jessie's CD's is titled, "The Fine Art of Self Destruction." Nice, huh?

How 'bout the headline in the following article:

Bruce's Handsome Friend; Jackson Browne."

Remember when Springsteen inducted Browne into the Hall of Fame and said something like Browne followed his muse...and HE sacrificed his. We know Browne's girlfriend or wife, not sure if they were married, suicided.

We don't know why. It's never been discussed.

Last night in Red Bank, Jackson Browne played a benefit show for Terry Magovern's ALS charity (Joan Dancy and P.A.L.S.). No points for guessing who showed up as a special guest. At the intimate Two River Theatre, after a lengthy acoustic set (including "I Am a Patriot," "Late for the Sky," "In the Shape of a Heart," and "The Pretender") Browne was joined by his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductor, Bruce Springsteen, for two songs: "Running on Empty," and "Will the Circle Be Unbroken?"

The pair also performed together the previous night, even more low-key, when Springsteen was on hand for a World Hunger Year benefit dinner honoring Browne and Jon Landau Management. For a little music at the end of the night, Springsteen joined in on Harry Chapin's "Circle," grabbing a guitar and strumming along.
-June 13, 2007

06-20-2007, 09:45 PM
And, what's with this:

Chris here... and we've got AICN's Capone back for another trip to the movie house, this time for a flick that we've seen promo'd for months now and is finally seeing release. Not usually a good sign... but the Bruce usage sounds promising:

I just saw a screening of LUCKY YOU yesterday, the long-delayed new film from director Curtis Hanson (8 MILE, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL) and starring Eric Bana, Drew Barrymore, and Robert Duvall. This is a good time to be Bruce's licensing agent, apparently, since two more Springsteen tunes are used quite effectively in this film (on the heels of other recent uses in REIGN OVER ME and IN THE LAND OF WOMEN), as are two Bob Dylan songs, including the unreleased "Huck's Tune," (Huck is the name of the Bana's character) which plays during the end credits.

The film is about a career gambler (Bana) who lives in Las Vegas, so naturally the opening-title montage of Bana riding his motorcycle through the backroads of the city to a casino is set to "Lucky Town." Of course, the only thing better than Bruce tunes in a movie is when they are used effectively, and hearing "The Fever" as the soundtrack for the opening hands of the film's most crucial poker game made the hairs on my erect nipples stand up. You can read my full review when the film opens on May 4, but chalk this LUCKY YOU as another prime example of Bruce's music making a film just a little bit better.

-- Steve (Capone) Prokopy
Chicago Editor, Aint It Cool News

-April 20, 2007


06-20-2007, 09:51 PM
So, I was looking at Backstreets, Springsteen's UNOFFICIAl site, and hit the link to his wife's website.

I was aghast.

There was a photograph of her with her young daughter wearing a shirt that read on the front, "I'm a red-headed woman."

Seriously, the lyrics:

"you haven't had your tires rotated until you got down on your knees and tasted, a red-headed woman."

"It takes a red-headed woman to get a dirty job done."

I wonder how they explained that song to her.

Nice, huh?

06-20-2007, 10:05 PM
These reports of Bruce sightings and whether or not he's recorded are such spin.

Like this:

Talk of Springsteen sightings in Atlanta has been swirling since early 2007. Still no official word on exactly what he's doing down there, of course -- he may just really dig the Coca-Cola Museum. Or maybe he can't get enough Slopes BBQ? Six Flags over Georgia has that bitchin' Superman roller coaster. But if one were to theorize that a rock album is in the works, in earnest, with producer Brendan O'Brien, both at Springsteen's home studio and at Southern Tracks (O'Brien's home base in Atlanta), with recording pretty far along after considerbale work in May, and E Streeters getting tapped to come in as they gear up for the E Street Band's long-awaited return this fall... even if one were to start saving one's hard-earned dough for an early-fall record release followed by a major world tour planned to start in Europe by early October... even if all signs were consistently pointing that way... it would still be just that -- a theory.


Talk of Springsteen sightings in Atlanta have been swirling!?! Really? I missed that.

No official word on what he's doing down there.


When will we get OFFICIAL WORD????

Really, you're going to theorize that a rock album is in the works.


The E-Street Band's long awaited return, you say!!!

Didn't they just tour in like 2003????

Yep, even if one were to start saving one's hard earned dollars for the CD release and world tour, it would still be speculation.

GOSH!! I'm on the edge of my seat.....!!!

06-20-2007, 10:17 PM
The E Street Band toured in 2003. Springsteen did a solo Devils and Dust tour in 2005 and a Seeger Sessions Band tour in 2006 and now an upcoming 2007 E Street Band Tour probably into 2008.


Springsteen really loves to perform, doesn't he?

Either that or he's one BIG CASH COW!!

Always on the road sound like so much fun, doesn't it?

During off-time, all the SURPRISE appearances at other artist's shows; the Stone Pony, etc., etc., etc.

06-20-2007, 10:52 PM
November 21 / Belfast, NIR / The Odyssey
Notes: Like the Devils & Dust tour-closer almost exactly one year ago, this final show of the 2006 tour was a family affair. Evan and Sam Springsteen took the stage to announce, "Ladies and gentlemen, Bruce Springsteen and the Seeger Sessions Band!" They were back to close the main set -- along with sister Jessie, a friend apiece, and a nanny -- to help out with vocals on "Pay Me My Money Down." Patti Scialfa got a special shout-out, before "If I Should Fall Behind." After explaining to the crowd that they had to bring the kids with them because they "can't trust them" at home, Bruce kept up the silly and dedicated the song "to my lovely love. My lovely love! I just made that up -- off the top of my head! Isn't that romantic?"

Why, yes, it's romantic and genuis!! Right off the top of your head.


06-20-2007, 10:57 PM

Set highlights included the tour premiere of "Mansion on the Hill," in a familiar arrangement, and an audibled "For You." "This is a song from my first album in 1972, "Bruce said to intro the latter. "I was a wee lad of ten years old. I was very precocious -- a natural genius sort of thing." Oddly its second tour appearance, it was one of the most "rocking" performances this band has tackled. "For You" demonstrated their capacity to explore other musical dimensions, should Bruce tap them again -- and his comments over these last few nights suggest that he intends to. For now, they closed the show, and the tour, with the song that started it all, "We Shall Overcome," and a few final words, "Thank you. We'll be seeing you!"


He was a wee lad, 10 years old in 1972??? He was born September 23, 1949.

Wouldn't that make him 23 years old?

Now, the part where he refers to himself as a genius, I understand.


06-20-2007, 11:02 PM
And, this:

November 18 / Dublin, IRL / The Point Depot
Notes: There's been a lot of talk from Bruce on this tour. Maybe... maybe too much talk. But not here in Dublin. Once again, Springsteen stayed fairly mum on the second night of this three-night stand, letting the music do most of the talking as cameras rolled. Two tour premieres, both highlighted by beautiful vocal contributions from the Seeger Sessions Band: "Highway Patrolman," and "Shenandoah." The latter was also a world premiere -- hard to believe it's taken this long, but with that, every song from the We Shall Overcome album (including the bonus tracks) has now been played live. "Open All Night" was significantly shorter tonight -- the scat-off stayed in, but not everyone had to be given a moment this time -- and less was more. (And it still clocked in at ten-and-a-half minutes.) While keeping his banter brief, Springsteen did take a moment to deidcate "Bobby Jean" to the fans that have been traveling to see these shows, and to express his appreciation. With a little good-natured ribing as well: "Doesn't your family miss you? Don't your co-workers wonder where you've gone? They must!"


Does he seriously think that the fans have "gone missing" from family and friends because they're attending one of his shows?


06-20-2007, 11:09 PM
November 17 / Dublin, IRL / The Point Depot
Notes: The Seeger Sessions Band pulled into Ireland to start a three-night Dublin stand, no longer the ragtag collection of fine individual players they were some months ago, but a tight unit here toward the end of the tour -- a band. In fact, as Springsteen made the introductions tonight, he said, "You'll see them again" -- and he seemed to be implying further on up the road, not just the next couple of shows here at The Point. Tonight the band included Patti Scialfa once again, her first show since October 5 in Verona. She was back just in time for the cameras to roll -- as we'd heard a few days ago, this Dublin stand is indeed being filmed. Cameras were unobtrusive, but numerous. With Patti back, that also meant the return of "If I Should Fall Behind," and the women once again scatting to open "Open All Night." Then the men took it at the bridge. And then the ladies... and then the men... yep, it was a regular scat-off. (And it added to the tour bloat that has affected "Open All Night," lasting three times as long as at the beginning of the tour. Or it least it felt that way.) We previously mentioned the marvelous pipes of Lisa Lowell, and this is a good time to say that Cindy Mizell has been getting more much-deserved time in the spotlight, too -- joining the redheaded women for the "Open All Night" scat, as well as a having a stunning feature role in "This Little Light of Mine," a total crowd pleaser. One concert-goer tonight tells us that "This Little Light" into "American Land" "kicks ass... If you can't stand on your feet during that, there's something wrong with you." And by that point in tonight's show, nothing was wrong with anyone. Tonight's crowd was fairly subdued, though, compared to the last visit here; and up on stage, likely concentrating on nailing the performance for the cameras, there were no tour premieres and not much talk from Bruce. But before "Devils & Dust" Springsteen spoke, as he has been, about how very close the recent U.S. elections were, and he went on to reference Sinclair Lewis's 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here: "I'm not so sure it didn't."


Here he is talking about American politics in Ireland as if he holds an important political position throughout the world.

He's talking about an election in America that is two years old in Dublin, Ireland.

06-20-2007, 11:22 PM
November 11 / London, GBR / Wembley Arena
Notes: The Seeger Sessions Band pulls into London firing on all cylinders, an absolutely smoking show with new arrangements and original material sounding daisy-fresh. "John Henry" was a rare no-show, with both "Blinded" and "Atlantic City" front-loading the set, and a stunning "Growin' Up" later on. But the highlight had to be the world premiere of a brand new Springsteen song, called "Long Walk Home." Introducing the ballad as a "work in progress," he described it as addressing the state of the U.S. democracy, about fixing what's broken, with a mention of the mid-term elections as one step on that walk, returning "some semblance of sanity" to the country. Bruce also revealed that he was inspired by his preivous night out at Shepherd's Bush Empire: "I went to see Lucinda Williams last night, she's an excellent songwriter. Between whoring and liquoring up, I write songs...... I'm gonna take a chance, this is a new one." An audibled "Froggie" closed the show, dedicated to a little girl in the front row.


Here he is again portraying himself as "Secretary of State."

He world premiered a brand new song, "Long Walk Home" of which I cannot find the lyrics.

He indicated this BALLAD as addressing the state of the U.S. democracy, about fixing what's broken, returning semblance of sanity to the country.

Is he role-playing? He's in Dublin, Ireland talking to his fans about American politics.

He's talking about the restoration of sanity??? as if he would know.

I'm certain if you find the lyrics to "Long Walk Home" they in no way address anything political.

Oh, I get it now. He referenced the mid-term elections as one walk in the direction of returning sanity to our country and so the song has the world "WALK" in it.

This would be how it addresses the problems in our country.

Of course, don't you see it.

WALK and WALK!!! There's the connection.

I've read them before.

06-20-2007, 11:36 PM
October 28 / Copenhagen, DEN / Parken
Notes: A similar set to the previous show in Santander, including "Fire" to open the encore. Bo Clausen reports: "Although the national stadium had its layout changed, with the stage moved to center field and only 20,000 tickets sold, the stadium was a very big venue for a Seeger Sessions show. Bruce managed to energize the stadium, though he had to tell people in the seats to 'get their Danish asses out of their Danish seats.' 'Fire was dedicated to 'all the beautiful Danish women,' and Bruce jokingly added that he was beginning to feel a bit like Julio Iglesias. 'Devils & Dust' was a beautiful, beautiful version, and 'Long Time Coming' felt very natural in its new musical disguise. 'This Little Light' truly shows how fantastic this band is."


Here he is dedicating "Fire" (you know, hey, little girl is your Daddy Home, can he do the things to you that I can do, I'm on fire) to all the beautiful Danish women.

Have they looked at him lately? He's nearing 60 and he's dedicating this "little girl" song to women who are most probably around that age, too!!!


You're beginning to feel like Julio Iglesias. Sorry, don't see the comparison at all.

06-20-2007, 11:53 PM
SO, while Springsteen was in Dublin, Irleand masquerading or shall I say, wearing a "not so brilliant disguise" as America's Secretary of State, he assured the people there that we had taken a walk in the right direction toward restoring some semblance of sanity with our mid-term elections.

He "world premiered" his song, "Long Walk Home" that speaks to this.

Lyrics, anyone? I assure you it doesn't speak to this. Can't find a song on this thread with lyrics by Springsteen that speak to anything political.

We are just so pleased that you are on top of the situation.

Because you know, "blind faith in your leaders or certain MUSICIANS" just might get you killed.

06-21-2007, 12:01 AM
Drunken SLOB! would be more like it. Just like HE always was.

SLOBBERING all over me!

06-21-2007, 07:30 AM
I Want You
Bob Dylan

The guilty undertaker sighs
The lonesome organ grinder cries
The silver saxophone says
I should refuse you
The cracked bells and washed out horns
Blow into my face with scorn
But it's not that way
I wasn't born to lose you
I want you I want you
I want you so bad
Honey I want you
The drunken politician leaps
Upon the streets where mothers weep
And the saviors who are fast asleep
They wait for you
And I wait for them to interrupt
Me drinking from my broken cup
And ask me to open up
The gate for you

Now all my fathers
They've gone down
True love
They've been without it
But all their daughters
Put me down
'Cause I don't
Think about it

Well I return to the queen of spades
And talk with my chamber maid
She knows that I'm not afraid to
Look at her
She is good to me and there's
Nothing she doesn't see
She knows where I'd like to be
But it doesn't matter
Now your dancing child with the chinese suit
He spoke to me I took his flute
No I wasn't very cute to him
Was I
But I did it because he lied
Because he took you for a ride
And because time was on his side
And because I
Want you
I want you
I want you so bad
Honey I want you...


PATHETIC! Talk about desperate lyrics.


What does this line mean?

Now all MY FATHERS....

How many fathers does Dylan have?

You weren't born to have whomever you may be singing about in this song either!!

QUEEN OF SPADES is used somehow in mind control. Dylan also has a song wherein he sings the line "flick of my wrist."

That motion is used during hypnosis somewhat similiar to "you will awake when I snap my fingers."

06-21-2007, 07:32 AM
Maybe it's time to look at some of Dylan's songs, cause like I said, I had more than one handler.

06-21-2007, 07:37 AM
Line in one of Dylan's songs,

"wondering if her hair is still RED."

Whose hair?

Oh, I guess he had a girlfriend whose hair was red.

Perhaps he thinks she dyed it.

Maybe cause my hair is red, and, you know, I'm HIGHLY SUGGESTIBLE, I might think this is about me.

Same for Springsteen's "red-headed woman" song, right?

He was married to a red-headed woman when he wrote that song.


Or, do you think they can use whatever date THEY want to?

TOO bad Springsteen wasn't married earlier. He could have said all those female songs, little girl songs were written about his former and/or present wife.

06-21-2007, 07:39 AM
But, I guess he doesn't care, because currently he still writes songs using female names that don't belong to his wife.

06-21-2007, 07:47 AM
Excuse me, but did I hear someone say, because of Springsteen's latest flop and the two before this one, he doesn't need SONY????

If he didn't need SONY, why did he just sign a mutli-million, ten year contract with them?


They're going to let him just walk away without producing?

Oh, he doesn't need SONY, but that's why an E Street Band CD and tour are in the works.

Are you kidding me??

SONY owns HIM, along with Columbia and BMG!!

Keep drinkin' the BRUCE KOOLAID!

You know, cause blind faith in your leaders or anything can get you killed.

06-21-2007, 08:19 AM
I believe the time has come.

In any event, let me help clear something up for Springsteen's fans who seem to have some sort of vested interest in his financial status.

Have you looked at the contract?

Have you examined the fine print?

Do you know the details?

Let's live in your world for a moment.

The record company signs a deal with Springsteen, any artist for millions of dollars over a 10 year period.

Springsteen is what? 57 years old. This means he's working until he 67 years old.

Are you kidding me?

He's going to be performing at 67 years old?

Do you think somewhere in the contract it might say:


Ya think they're going to just hand THEIR money to one of their ARTISTS if they don't RAKE IN THE CASH OVER AND ABOVE the amount of the contract?

Ya think they're going to just take a loss and stuff the artist's pockets full of their money??

Hey, thanks, we didn't make any profit, but here, this is for your efforts.

Yeah, in your world that's how it works.

In the REAL WORLD (isn't that the title of one of Springsteen's songs?), it doesn't work that way.


06-21-2007, 08:24 AM
Real World
Bruce Springsteen

Mister Trouble come walkin' this way
Year gone by feels like one long day
But I'm alive and I'm feelin' all right
Well I run that hard road outta heartbreak city
Built a roadside carnival out of hurt and self-pity
It was all wrong well now I'm moving on

Ain't no church bells ringing
Ain't no flags unfurled
It's just me and you and the love we're bringing
Into the real world
Into the real world

I built a shrine in my heart it wasn't pretty to see
Made out of fool's gold memory and tears cried
Now I'm headin' over the rise
I'm searchin' for one clear moment of love and truth
I still got a little faith
But what I need is some proof tonight
I'm lookin' for it in your eyes

Ain't no church bells ringing
Ain't no flags unfurled
Just me and you and the faith we're bringing
Into the real world
Into the real world

Well tonight I just wanna shout
I feel my soul waist deep and sinkin'
Into this black river of doubt
I just wanna rise and walk along the riverside
And when the morning comes baby I don't wanna hide
I'll stand right at your side with my arms open wide

Well tonight I just wanna shout
I feel my soul waist deep and sinkin'
Into this black river of doubt
I just wanna rise and walk along the riverside
'Til the morning comes
I'll stand right by your side

I wanna find some answers I wanna ask for some help
I'm tired of running scared
Baby let's get our bags packed
We'll take it here to hell and heaven and back
And if love is hopeless hopeless at best
Come on put on your party dress it's ours tonight
And we're goin' with the tumblin' dice

Ain't no church bells ringing
Ain't no flags unfurled
It's just me and you and the hope we're bringing
Into the real world
Well into the real world


He's runnin' scared. Wants to ask for some help. Sinking into a black river. Takin' it here to hell and heaven and back. Love is hopeless. He wants to find some answers. Mister Trouble come walkin' this way. Found his way out of heartbreak city. It was all WRONG but he's movin' on. He's searchin' for one clear moment of love and truth. He's got some faith but he needs proof from her eyes.

Oh, yes, the song with the line:

"Just me and you and the faith we're brining into the REAL WORLD."

Sounds like he's really capable of that in this song!!!

06-21-2007, 08:25 AM
Do you think they like empty seats at the shows they book for their musicians?

They just cancelled a Clarkson tour, refunded ticket purchases, because she wasn't filling up the seats.

YEAH, in your world, they don't care.

In the real world, they do!!

06-21-2007, 08:27 AM
Run interference.

It's doesn't matter.

This is a PROMISE!!!



06-21-2007, 08:29 AM
For those of you interested, it was the "Point Blank" song.

Seems to have created some kind of reaction that is now resolving itself.



06-21-2007, 08:43 AM

06-21-2007, 08:44 AM



Seems I have completed my mission at this point.


06-21-2007, 09:25 AM
One more thing about the song, "Point Blank."

Violent song, no doubt!

Would you like it if someone put a gun right between your eyes, told you to hold still or else the lights go out??

Well, this song LITERALLY makes my stomach turn and my throat burn.

Those were the symptoms it produced.

Like I wanted to throw up. Didn't know if I was going to live or die.

My life was in their hands, so they said.


I didn't know if the gun was loaded or not when they pulled the trigger.

But, the words, "POW, right between the eyes" were said.


You better sit still. Don't make a move.

Never knew what was touching me in between my eyes because they HAD to be closed.

This was funny to THEM especially watching my fear after the trigger was pulled and the gun wasn't loaded.

At times, touching me in between my eyes with a finger and then saying POW and laughing because of my fear over a finger.

I believe I reported this to MY PROTECTORS.

In order to counteract symptoms produced by these PIGS, a victim must be able to TALK about it and release; otherwise, they SUFFER in silence for the rest of their lives with PTSD and all the other psychological effects of their abuse.

THEY DON'T remember the induced trauma and why they're suffering "psychological" effects. The brain has blocked it. The only way to survive.

When "triggers" are implanted into the subconscious mind, they have to be called up to the surface.

If one has been programmed to hear "voices" when drinking coffee, this is a subconscious implant.

If they are placed in a suggestible state of mind and the word COFFEE is said, this can produce the symptoms.

No doubt, when you are incarcerated in their world, you are always in a suggestible state and this can produce "psychosis."

The triggering mechanism is constant.

They were aiming to achieve this is me while on his official site.

The same with a song when there are embedded triggers.

If you don't know you were and are a mind control victim, you are UNAWARE as to why your state of mind is being affected.


Shaking was a symptom HE produced due to fear of him/them.

A poster commented on his UNOFFICIAL site that he/she was at a show and saw his wife SHAKING as if she was frightened of him!

This comment, of course, was meant for someone else.

Do you seriously think that this poster wouldn't be BANNED after making comments that sounded as if he/she was accusing Springsteen of being abusive to his wife?

WORSHIP is what is required.

06-21-2007, 09:54 AM
Seriously, Springsteen wrote it and sang it. Point Blank, that is, so it must be a "love ballad," right?


Why is it Springsteen seems to believe he holds some political position within our country, but he's never written a political song?


What happened to Dylan?

How many years ago did he write that infamous song that told all of us about the "Masters of War?

Thirty-five plus!

You know, that song that rallied all of us around him. Kind of like Landau rallied everyone around Springsteen with his infamous words, "I've seen the future of rock and roll and...."

That's one of the most political songs ever written and yet, he's silent.

He has absolutely nothing else to say about these "Masters of War." About the current government.

NOTHING! Zilch, zero, nada!!

How come?

Does he live by a CODE OF SILENCE, too?

Teenagers listen to Dylan more than they listen to Springsteen songs.


Because he's a hero for having written the song "Masters of War."

Has he written a political song since? I dunno. I'll have to check.

Have you ever been to a Dylan show?

Doesn't address the audience, doesn't look at the crowd, voice sounds horrible.

Zilch, zero, nada.

Still raking in the dough for THEM, though.

Still feeding off those oldies but goodies that sucked everyone in!!

06-21-2007, 10:16 AM
Am I the only MUSIC CRITIC who writes negatively about this industry???

Seems like it.

Mainstream media wouldn't, would they?

Of course not.

What about Eminem?

Comes to fame with "Slim Shady." Not too bad. Then what happens?

We know the steps. He's attracted his following with lots of media hype and then down the proverbial dark hole with his follow-up lyrics.

Elton John admires him. Joined him for a duet at the MTV movie awards.

What's wrong with Elton?

Same as the rest of them.


They don't exist!!

Unless de-programming begins against this industry, our children are headed toward MAJOR mind control consisting of destructive and immoral behavior.

06-21-2007, 12:35 PM
You're saying Sony has to TRY to sign the next twenty year old artist???

Are you kidding??? Must be! Like SONY would have a hard time signing a 20 year old artist.


Here, we'll offer you a record deal that involves alot of money. No, thanks! I don't want to record, tour or make lots of money.


They're going to point to Springsteen in order to intice them?

You must be kidding again, right?

Like they need an inticement.

Oh, then they're going to say, "would you like to have the type of success and creative freedom we have offered him over the years?"

Try this! Point to Springsteen and say, would you like to be a CASH COW for us like Springsteen? If so, sign on the dotted line, but you have to PAY THE PRICE and SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE DEVIL.


Since when is SONY the EXCLUSIVE record label that Springsteen has recorded with.

What? He's the only artist that is OWNED by SONY!?!

Springsteen hasn't excelled. His last three CD's were flops and Nebraska has only sold 1 million plus copies in the past 25 years.

THEY MAKE ME OUT TO BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT. Take your ear plugs out and have a good listen. Take your blinders off and read some lyrics.

06-21-2007, 01:10 PM
Hmmmm! I wonder. Do you think there might be some very GOOD reason why he's referred to as the BOSS?

Do you think there might be some very GOOD reason why they've made him out to be something he isn't?

I'm sure I could come up with at least ONE VERY GOOD REASON!!!

But, I'll leave that up to other folks to decide.

Because "the times, they are a changin."

06-21-2007, 01:40 PM
Let's clear something up:

They didn't get greedy with Live in Dublin. They repackaged, recycled like they do with all of his stuff.

Apparently, the CD didn't sell well, the tour didn't sell well, so, if you didn't get to see it in DUBLIN, now you do.

And, the ever changing setlist will be an incentive.

The reworked songs, as well.

So, what do you think.

Do you think they would have made more dollars if Elvis and Lennon were still alive or are they surpassing what they may have profitted due to their untimely deaths?

Or, how 'bout the rock and roll bands that originally formed, had hit albums, and then split up.

This is a tactic.

When they re-unite, the troops come marching home.

Comin' out of the woodwork lately. Well, they've been crawling out slowly for quite some time.

Now, we've got Sting and the Police back together.

How 'bout that stalker song:


06-21-2007, 04:25 PM
I Don't Believe You
(she acts like we never have met)

I can't understand,
She let go of my hand
An' left me here facing the wall.
I'd sure like t' know
Why she did go,
But I can't get close t' her at all.
Though we kissed through the wild blazing nighttime,
She said she would never forget.
But now mornin's clear,
It's like I ain't here,
She just acts like we never have met.

It's all new to' me,
Like some mystery
It could even be like a myth
Yet it's hard t' think on,
That she's the same one
That last night I was with.
From darkness, dreams're deserted,
Am I still dreamin' yet?

I wish she'd unlock
Her voice once an' talk,
'Stead of acting like we never have met.

If she ain't feelin' well,
Then why don't she tell
'Stead of turnin' her back t' my face?
Without any doubt,
She seems too far out
For me t' return t' her chase.
Though the night ran swirling an' whirling,
I remember her whispering yet.
But evidently she don't
An' evidently she won't,
She just acts like we never have met.

If I didn't have t' guess,
I'd gladly confess
T' anything I might've tried.
If I was with 'er too long
Or have done something wrong,
I wish she'd tell me what it is, I'll run an' hide.
Though her skirt it swayed as a guitar played,
Her mouth was watery and wet.
But now something has changed
For she ain't the same,
She just acts like we never have met.

I'm leavin' today,
I'll be on my way
Of this I can't say very much.
But if you want me to,
I can be just like you
an' pretend that we never have touched.
An' if anybody asks me, "Is it easy to forget?"
I'll say, "It's easily done,
You just pick anyone,
An' pretend that you never have met!"


Just pretend we never met. Pretend you don't know me. Never saw me before in your life and I'll pretend I don't know you. If we're walking down the street and bump into each other, just pretend that you don't know me and I'll pretend that I don't know you.

Ah, those words speak to me.

Sounds as if Dylan, with his repetition of "she pretends that we never have met and "Is it easy to forget?", "I'll say, "It's easily done, You just pick anyone, An' pretend that you never have met, is suggesting something to some BODY!

06-21-2007, 05:34 PM
Bob Dylan

Ramona, come closer,
Shut softly your watery eyes.
The pangs of your sadness
Shall pass as your senses will rise.
The flowers of the city
Though breathlike, get deathlike at times.
And there's no use in tryin'
T' deal with the dyin',
Though I cannot explain that in lines.

Your cracked country lips,
I still wish to kiss,
As to be under the strength of your skin.
Your magnetic movements
Still capture the minutes I'm in.
But it grieves my heart, love,
To see you tryin' to be a part of
A world that just don't exist.
It's all just a dream, babe,
A vacuum, a scheme, babe,
That suck you into feelin' like this.

I can see that your head
Has been twisted and fed
By worthless foam from the mouth.
I can tell you are torn
Between stayin' and returnin'
Oh back to the South.
You've been fooled into thinking
That the finishin' end is at hand
Yet there's no one to beat you,
No one t' defeat you,
'Cept the thoughts of yourself feeling bad.

I've heard you say many times
That you're better 'n no one
And no one is better 'n you.
If you really believe that,
You know you got
Nothing to win and nothing to lose.
From fixtures and forces and friends,
Your sorrow does stem,
That hype you and type you,
Making you feel
That you must be exactly like them.

I'd forever talk to you,
But soon my words,
They would turn into a meaningless ring.
For deep in my heart
I know there is no help I can bring.
Everything passes,
Everything changes,
Just do what you think you should do.
And someday maybe,
Who knows, baby,
I'll come and be cryin' to you.


So, this song is to Ramona and, as in the first song I've posted by Dylan, it, too, references a dream.


I don't think you'll be cryin'
on my shoulder tonight
cause I'm fightin' and not lyin'
to protect your skin

I have something to win
and nothing to lose
and little boy blue knows that

i told him so decades ago
when he left at the drop of a hat
and, I told you
I had to do what I had to do
win or lose
it's a matter of fact

I said I'd be back
no doubt about that
and if you
or him
ever messed with me again
i wouldn't pretend
that we never have met
it wasn't a bet
a promise instead
but you thought that I'd surely forget

I closed the door
forever more
but knew
when I opened my eyes
another part of my life
would surely arise
and the lies that were told
would certainly unfold

the truth would come out
right out of my mouth
and i wouldn't pretend
that we just never have met

my life's not a bet
and it isn't a game
just the same
as I told you before
when I closed the door
to the world that you know
cause I just, cause I just
cause I just had to let it go

(sounds like Lennon there)!

I don't live in shame
and I'm not to blame
and you know that my words
good as gold

I'm not old
I'm not dyin'
I didn't spend my young years cryin'
didn't sacrifice my life for naught

I was taught
and I used it
and those men can't believe it
can't believe that I'm standing here

I've got much to share
and this isn't a dare
because you know that I told you so
I told you so decades ago
I told you that I would be back

So it's over now
and when the truth comes out
there isn't anything that anyone can do
cause it's over now
and when the truth comes out
it ain't you babe that I'm lookin' for
no, no, no,
it ain't you, babe,
cause I'm lookin' for more

cause i closed the door
decades ago
but I'm back to even the score
I don't worship the devil
I don't pay the price
and on that you should have thought twice

I walked out the door
in utter disgrace
and I slammed it, I slammed it
right in your face
and it ain't you babe
no, it ain't you, babe
it ain't you I'm lookin' for

06-21-2007, 05:45 PM
Oh, the suspense. Oh, shrodded in secrecy. Is Springsteen recording a CD with the E Street Band?? Every little hint (bread crumb) he they throw to the fans points to that. They've been spotted in Atlanta. Springsteen gave clues to sources at Rolling Stone Magazine.

Max is taking time away from the Conan show. Silvio is in a coma.

Oh, the drama!

Oh, the suspense!

It just keeps mounting!!!

Fans are chomping at the bit!!

Is he? Isn't he?


Keep those fans guessing. Keep stringing them along.

06-21-2007, 06:45 PM
Modern Times
Ain't Talking
Bob Dylan

As I walked out tonight in the mystic garden
The wounded flowers were dangling from the vine
I was passing by yon cool crystal fountain
Someone hit me from behind

Ain't talking, just walking
Through this weary world of woe
Heart burning, still yearning
No one on earth would ever know

They say prayer has the power to heal
So pray for me, mother
In the human heart an evil spirit can dwell
I am trying to love my neighbor
and do good unto others
But oh, mother, things ain't going well

Ain't talking, just walking
I'll burn that bridge before you can cross
Heart burning, still yearning
There'll be no mercy for you once you've lost

Now I'm all worn down by weeping
My eyes are filled with tears, my lips are dry
If I catch my opponents ever sleeping
I'll just slaughter them where they lie

Ain't talking, just walking
Through the world mysterious and vague
Heart burning, still yearning
Walking through the cities of the plague.

Well, the whole world is filled with speculation
The whole wide world which people say is round
They will tear your mind away from contemplation
They will jump on your misfortune when you're down

Ain't talking, just walking
Eating hog eyed grease in a hog eyed town.
Heart burning, still yearning
Some day you'll be glad to have me around.

They will crush you with wealth and power
Every waking moment you could crack
I'll make the most of one last extra hour
I'll revenge my father's death then I'll step back

Ain't talking, just walking
Hand me down my walking cane.
Heart burning, still yearning
Got to get you out of my miserable brain.

All my loyal and much-loved companions
They approve of me and share my code
I practice a faith that's been long abandoned
Ain't no altars on this long and lonesome road

Ain't talking, just walking
My mule is sick, my horse is blind.
Heart burning, still yearning
Thinking about that girl I left behind

Well, it's bright in the heavens and the wheels are flying
Fame and honor never seem to fade
The fire gone out but the light is never dying
Who says I can't get heavenly aid?

Ain't talking, just walking
Carrying a dead man's shield
Heart burning, still yearning
Walking with an ache in my heel

The suffering is unending
Every nook and cranny has its tears
I'm not playing, I'm not pretending
I'm not nursing any superfluous fears

Ain't talking, just walking
Walking ever since the other night.
Heart burning, still yearning
Walking until I'm clean out of sight.

As I walked out in the mystic garden
On a hot summer day, a hot summer lawn
Excuse me, ma'am, I beg your pardon
There's no one here, the gardener is gone

Ain't talking, just walking
Up the road, around the bend.
Heart burning, still yearning
In the last outback at the world's end.


Sounds to me like DYLAN ain't talking or is this meant for someone else?

He acknowledges that in the human heart an evil spirit can dwell.

He's gonna burn that bridge before someone can cross it. I wonder who that someone is.

They'll be no mercy for this someone once they've lost.

Who is that someone? Gee, I wonder!!

He says, "if I catch my opponents ever sleeping, he'll just SLAUGHTER them were they lie."

WOW!! This from Dylan's mouth?

Who are his opponents?

He says, "they'll crush you with wealth and power, ever waking moment you could crack."


We already know.

Read this:

All my loyal and much-loved companions
They approve of me and share my code
I practice a faith that's been long abandoned
Ain't no altars on this long and lonesome road


He practices a faith that's been long abandoned without altars.

Gee, I wonder what faith that could be????

He's got to get that girl he left behind out of his miserable brain.

Remember, I was a girl. Not yet a woman.

He tells us that the "suffering is unending."

I'd agree, Dylan. It certainly is if you pay the price and sell your soul to the DEVIL.

I don't share their code, but I speak/understand their code.

06-21-2007, 07:01 PM
Dylan says in the above song, Ain't Talking, that "he'll slaughter his opponents where they lie, while they're sleeping."

It was said, they'll kill you while your sleeping. Better sleep with one eye open.

06-21-2007, 07:03 PM


VERY SERIOUS COMMENTS regarding this vicious cycle.

06-21-2007, 08:26 PM
Someday Baby
Bob Dylan

I don't care what you do,
I don't care what you say
I don't care where you go
Or how long you stay

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

Well you take my money
And you turn it out
You fill me up
With nothin' but self-doubt

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

When I was young,
Drivin' was my crave
You drive me so hard,
Almost to the grave

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more


I'm so hard pressed,
My mind tied up in knots
I keep recyclin'
The same old thoughts

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

So many good things in life
That I overlooked
I don't know what to do now,
Baby, you got me so hooked

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more


Well, I don't want to brag,
I'm gonna ring your neck
When all else fails
I'll make it a matter of self-respect

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

You can take your clothes
Put 'em in a sack
You goin' down the road,
Baby and you can't come back

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

I tried to be friendly,
I tried to be kind
I'm gonna drive you from your home,
Just like I was driven from mine

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more

Living this way
Ain't a natural thing to do
Why was I born To love you?

Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry po' me any more


So, who is Dylan talking about in this song? His wife? Modern Times is very recent.

He's gonna wring her neck, drive her from her home, make it a matter of self-respect.

Living this way ain't a natural thing to do!

I'd agree. The way they live isn't natural.

He keeps recyclin' the same old thoughts. His mind is tied up in knots.

Someday he isn't going to worry about who anymore?

His wife?


She takes his money, turns him out, fills him up with self-doubt!!

He says, she's got him so hooked, he doesn't know what he's gonna do, but he tells her to take her clothes and don't come back.

His wife has him hooked and he wants his wife to take her clothes and not come back???

In Ain't Talkin', Dylan says he's going to slaughter his opponents in their sleep.

In this song, he says, he going to wring her neck.


Just the same ole' same ole' schizophrenic lyrics displayed in his songs and Springsteens.

Love you, don't love you, stay, get out. Wring your neck, you've got me hooked!!!

The demeanor!!!

But, then again, he did write "I'm sick of love."

06-21-2007, 08:35 PM

Fan Input To Shape Fall Dylan Retrospective
Bob Dylan

June 21, 2007, 1:05 PM ET

Jessica Letkemann, N.Y.

Fan input will help shape the songs that will make the cut for "Dylan," a three-disc Bob Dylan retrospective and companion greatest hits disc due Oct. 1 via Columbia.

The larger set will feature 51 songs that will be chosen in part based on "fan lobbying" and votes cast at Dylan07.com, which launched in February. Visitors to the site will also find the record's artwork, a trailer and details on how to contribute photos to a future online Dylan photo album.

The three-disc "Dylan" will be released in standard packaging as well as in a "deluxe" cloth-bound, photo-laden version that includes ample liner notes. The one-disc "best of" version of "Dylan" will feature 18 songs.


Here we will have 51 songs in a three-disc greatest hits.

OOOhhh, and get this. The three--disc "Dylan" will be released in standard packaging!!


as well as in a "deluxe" cloth-bound, photo-laden version that includes ample liner notes.

The one-disc "best of" version of "Dylan" will feature 18 songs.



Don't most people already have his greatest hits???

Oh, but this 3 disc DYLAN will be issued in a "DELUXE" cloth-bound, photo-laden version.

Now I get it.

"DELUXE," cloth-bound and photo-laden version!!

Repackaging, recycling, reworking!!

The three "R's"

06-22-2007, 09:19 AM
Springsteen has been known, over the years, to tell his audience to "Shut the F*ck Up."

Maybe this works with them.

They just might be "little children" trapped in a dream world and he has to CONTROL them this way.

Or, maybe he can't concentrate sometimes unless there is complete SILENCE!!

You know, he does have "somethin' runnin' round his head and baby he just can't sleep."

Anyhoo, maybe they listen and STFU, but, personally, I never did and never will when those words were spoken to me directly in the past and/or indirectly in the present.

06-22-2007, 09:45 AM

In an attempt to COPY links, I have been unable to do so since I returned to the site.

My COPY feature does not work with links only with text.

06-22-2007, 09:58 AM
I Promised You

I'm sure you remember
one day I would be back

I'm sure you remember
this wasn't a threat
oh, no, but a fact

Well, I've got them learned real well
right now
and the writing's on the wall
the chips they'll fall where they may
mark my words
as I stand tall

I'm sure you remember
that never again would you make me crawl
I'm sure you remember
that the writing's on the wall

I'm sure you remember
I wasn't through
oh, no, I'd be back

I'd lift myself above your lies
your filty life
your alibis

I'd rise up
and you'd fall down
you'd be the one
on the merry-go-round

and you can wear whatever disguise
but when I look into your eyes
I see the man you've always been
the one whose sins are on my skin

And, don't you remember
that one day you'd feel my wrath
cause, GOD, you know
he cleared the path
held me high above it all
he helped me walk
he lifted me
and the writing's on the wall

he's by my side
he's seein' me through
he knows exactly what to do

You're livin' in a dreamworld
can't seem to remember
this "little girl's" words
I told you once
and I'll tell you twice
I don't ever pay the price

I'm sure you remember
that one day I would be back

I'm sure you remember
this wasn't a THREAT
oh, no, but a fact

06-22-2007, 10:47 AM
During the time I was on his OFFICIAL site, a VFC tour (VOTE FOR CHANGE) was being talked about and whether or not Springsteen would take part.

A poster said something like:

"I'll do it if SHE wants me to."

Now, who do you think this poster was?


Whom do you think the comment was directed to?

I don't remember if I answered the comment or not because it wasn't really a question; however, no one ever answered because it wasn't addressed to anyone in particular.

I don't know where the BRRRUUCCCCCEEEEEEEEE! mantra came from that his fans shout out, but as I've written, when being tortured, tricked and he wasn't there, I would scream his name in such a fashion.

It could be a cover-up on their part such as the STFU to his audience may be.

I don't know if they shout this at shows, but it was definitely written quite frequently while I was on the site.

06-22-2007, 11:02 AM
Patti Scialfa's the Boss
Springsteen's wife steps out of the shadows
JANCEE DUNNPosted Jun 16, 2004 12:00 AM

Patti Scialfa has always been a mystery. As a member of the E Street Band alongside husband Bruce Springsteen, she's a familiar but enigmatic presence, and her one solo album, 1993's Rumble Doll, yielded few biographical clues. "When you're married to someone famous," she says, "people know you, but they're not really seeing you."

With her deeply personal new album, 23rd Street Lullaby, Scialfa has decided it's high time she opened up. She is sitting in a New York recording studio, where she's tweaking songs for a pay-per-view special. The epitome of a sexy rock chick, Scialfa is long and lean in her stovepipe jeans, and she kicks off her high heels to lounge barefoot, her red hair spilling down her back as she leans over the board. She is a down-to-earth Jersey girl, funny and likable. ("I'm fifty," she says at one point, moving her face under a light. "This is what fifty looks like.")

On 23rd Street Lullaby, Scialfa delves into her starving-artist years in Seventies and Eighties New York, a richly creative time both for the city and herself. Scialfa is a born storyteller, and her evocative rock songs perfectly conjure the wild hopefulness of youth, when you knew everything and stayed up all night talking, talking, talking about life and philosophy and music.

Scialfa is backed by a solid band of old friends, including E Streeter Nils Lofgren and drummer Steve Jordan, who co-produced the album with her. "I've always loved the way Patti sings," Jordan says. "She has a little Ronnie Spector in her voice, but she can remind you of Emmylou Harris." He pauses. "You know, the person she's married to casts an extremely long shadow, so there's a tendency to get lost in the sauce. But if you're making good, timeless music without the pyrotechnics and helicopters and the bombs going off, it doesn't matter when you do it."

Springsteen, her husband of thirteen years, agrees. "Patti has only been able to use a small portion of her talent onstage with the E Street Band," he says. "She's always been a beautiful songwriter, and on this record people will get the chance to hear what she can really do."

Scialfa's life is, essentially, a love story - not just between her and Springsteen, although there is that, too (they grew up ten miles from each other). It's really the story of a girl and her music. She was raised in the Jersey Shore town of Deal, the daughter of a successful entrepreneur. As a teenager at Asbury Park High School, she hung out at the beach and cruised the streets, blaring music in a Firebird repossessed from a race-car driver. (Who else could Springsteen have possibly married?) Sometimes she and her girlfriends would cut class and hitchhike into New York. "We'd tell our art teacher we weren't going to class, and that we needed to borrow markers to make hitchhiking signs," she says. "He'd go, 'Oh, don't tell me this. The world's not as nice a place as you think.' And you're that age where you're just thinking, 'Oh, please.' " She laughs. "And we'd walk out the door. We'd get lost on the subways, drunk on red wine. I just wanted to go out."

Scialfa's interest in music sparked when she was twelve and envied her older brother Michael, who played in local bands. At fourteen, she joined her first group, the excellently titled Ecstasy, which played, among other places, Catholic Youth Organization dances supervised by nuns.

After high school, she attended the University of Miami's well-regarded music school, whose alumni include Pat Metheny and Bruce Hornsby. At the time, Scialfa was the lone girl in the jazz department, and she immersed herself in the local music scene. "You'd go see your friends play, or your teachers, or your teachers would see you play, and sit in," she says. One memorable course was the Listening Class. "You'd listen to Charlie Parker or John Coltrane straight from six to nine," she says.

While at Miami, she started shopping around her demos. One day, she received a call in her dorm room from Atlantic Records honcho Jerry Wexler, who produced Bob Dylan and helped launch Aretha Franklin's career. He asked if he could give one of her songs to Franklin. When she agreed, he met with her in Miami at Criteria Studios (nicknamed Atlantic South). "He said, 'If you change one verse of this song, I guarantee you'll have a big hit,' " Scialfa recalls. With the hubris of a twenty-year-old, she refused. "I remember Jerry just shaking his head and saying, 'Well, you think about it,' " she says.

Wexler doesn't remember the incident ("I'm lurching into the sunset at the tender age of eighty-seven") but does recall that "she was charming and gracious, and had some talent for songwriting," he says. "I very well might have wanted to edit her lyrics. Because they're never sacrosanct, are they?" He laughs. "But I totally lost track of her, and the next thing I know, there's a Patti Scialfa married to Bruce Springsteen."

In 1974, Scialfa transferred to New York University and started scratching out a living in the music business, waiting tables and busking on the New York streets with her friend Soozie Tyrell (who sings on the new album). "It just looked like an adventure," she says. "And we could make forty bucks apiece on a good evening."

A third friend soon joined, and they became a downtown fixture, sometimes singing in cocktail dresses for the hell of it. "We thought we were on the Left Bank of Paris," says Scialfa. "It was one of the best times of my life. As soon as you have enough money, you go into a cafe, order some wine, talk to everybody, go to another cafe. It was this whole community."

By the late Seventies, Scialfa had landed work as a backup singer for Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, which led to gigs with David Johansen and the Rolling Stones. In 1984, Springsteen auditioned her to join the E Street Band for the Born in the USA tour. They'd never had a woman in the band, he told her, warning her that he wasn't sure how this would work. Three days before the tour, he invited her on the road.

Frantically, she learned all of the band's songs, poring through piles of notebooks. ("I was a fan, but I listened to a lot of women's music.") On the tour's opening night, she realized that the group was just as unprepared for her. "I was wearing some kind of pastel kind of ribbony top," she says, "and Bruce goes, 'Maybe you should wear something not as pretty.' " She laughs. "I tease him about it now. I'm surprised he didn't ask me to get a haircut. He said, 'Why don't you try this?' It was a T-shirt of his that said BROADWAY MOTORS on it."

In 1985, Springsteen married actress Julianne Phillips, but a few years on, the marriage began to fray. Tunnel of Love, from 1987, chronicled their rocky relationship, and after Phillips saw tabloid photos of Scialfa and Springsteen together, she filed for divorce.

In 1990, Scialfa gave birth to their first son, Evan James, now fourteen. She and Springsteen married in 1991, the year their daughter, Jessica Rae, was born (their youngest son, Sam Ryan, is five). The couple have one of the most enduring marriages in rock, even if their kids are grossed out when she and Bruce kiss in the kitchen. "They say, 'Please don't do that in front of us,' " she says. "I said, 'Hey, you're going to be happy one day when you look back and know your parents really loved each other.' "

They live in a nineteenth-century farmhouse in Rumson, New Jersey, where their low-key lifestyle centers around the family. Indeed, if you live in Rumson or its environs, you are not issued your driver's license unless you can do the "Jersey boast," a story of your personal encounter with Bruce and Patti that concludes with the proud declaration that they are Just Like Us: "I saw Bruce and Patti at the grocery store/diner/dry cleaners, and they were so freakin' down to earth. They were buying trash bags/talking to my sister's cousin/eating pancakes while they sat in a booth, just like everyone else."

"What am I supposed to do at a diner?" says Scialfa. "Speak in French?"

Scialfa's peaceful home life has been the perfect perch from which to examine her past for 23rd Street Lullaby. "And it's always fun going back," she says. "I mean, you drive past your old high school, and even if everybody treated you terribly, you still go take a look, don't you?"

And as she has excavated her past, she has unearthed some surprises. Until a high school girlfriend reminded her, she had utterly forgotten that when she was fifteen, she actually called Springsteen to audition for his band. "I had seen an ad in the Asbury Park Press," she says. " 'Touring band, must be able to travel.' " She called the number and was pleased to discover that it was Springsteen, already known around town for his fast guitar playing. "He was very sweet on the phone," Scialfa recalls. "I was so relieved." How old are you? Springsteen asked. Fifteen, she replied. Well, that's a little young, he said kindly. You should stay in school. But good luck. See you around.


Now, why do people have to write an article like this about Patti Scailfa?

First of all, saying she's a great singer/songwriter is like saying Yoko Ono was the same.

Saying that because she's married to someone famous she gets lost in his shadow is an excuse.

Get out from BEHIND the shadow!

If you're a good singer/songwriter, it doesn't matter who you're married to.

So, her "Rumble Doll" CD was really great, but because she's married to Springsteen it didn't sell well?

Come on!

Springsteen says she doesn't get a chance to showcase her talent with the "E Street Band."

Why not? You're the "front man." You don't have any say in this regard?

Why don't you showcase her?

They also say she's another great "storyteller."

She says when you're married to someone famous people know you but they're not really seeing you.

How could they not see you?

You've been married to Springsteen for 16 years. You tour with the "E Street Band."

You were performing with the band during the "Tunnel of Love" tour when he was married to Phillips and subsequently divorced her and married you.

Maybe he's not showcasing you enough as I've suggested.

You need to have a stage presence!!

If you are talented in your OWN right, they'll hear you, see you, buy your CDS and go to your shows.


Until a high school girlfriend reminded her, she had utterly forgotten that when she was fifteen, she actually called Springsteen to audition for his band. "I had seen an ad in the Asbury Park Press," she says. " 'Touring band, must be able to travel.' " She called the number and was pleased to discover that it was Springsteen, already known around town for his fast guitar playing. "He was very sweet on the phone," Scialfa recalls. "I was so relieved." How old are you? Springsteen asked. Fifteen, she replied. Well, that's a little young, he said kindly. You should stay in school. But good luck. See you around.

A high school girlfriend had to remind her that she had called Springsteen when she was 15 for an audition???? WHAT??? Is there anything else she's forgotten regarding past contact with him??? So, when she auditioned again for the "E Street Band," and became a member, did he remember that she had called him when she was 15? Did she remember or did this just come to her attention since she's been married to him?

06-22-2007, 11:17 AM
This was posted at "Beneath the City," which seems to be another "strange" outpost for Springsteen worshippers.

There was a link that indicated it appeared at Bruce Springsteen's official site:

Apparently, written by Springsteen and signed by him:

I hesitate to use this website for anything personal believing it should remain a place where fans of my music can come free of the distractions that occasionally arise with the rest of my job.

However, due to the unfounded and ugly rumors that have appeared in the papers over the last few days, I felt they shouldn’t pass without comment. Patti and I have been together for 18 years- the best 18 years of my life. We have built a beautiful family we love and want to protect and our commitment to one another remains as strong as the day we were married.


Seriously, do his fans really care whether or not he and Patti divorce? Are they that involved with his personal life?

Why does he want them to be. I know the answer to that one.

He states that he believes this website should be a place where fans of my music can come free of the distractions that occassionally arise with the rest of my job...

Most of his fans don't even visit the official site. They're camped out over at the unofficial site.

Again, seriously, he wants his fans to be free of any DISTRACTIONS!!!


They can't deal with a distraction regarding your personal life.

It interferes with their life?

They need to be able to visit your site and just concentrate on what???


I know he's tried desperately to have a "personal relationship" with his fans. You know, they apparently know him intimately. All about him. Of course, this is for very good reason.

But, come on, to apologize to fans that his wife couldn't make the Seeger Sessions tour in Europe, but she sends her regards. The kids need her more than the band.

Go over to the UNOFFICIAL site and read the reviews, Springsteen.

Then, the next thing you know, the kids are there and one of his children introduces Bruce Springsteen and the Seeger Sessions Band and Scailfa flies in to tape the "Live in Dublin CD," dueting for a few minutes with her husband, "If I should Fall Behind."

Quite the "picture perfect" family. Huh?

You know, it was always said that they all have "women on the side."

It's standard procedure.

06-22-2007, 11:19 AM
Or, sex slaves or little girls, I should say.

06-22-2007, 11:29 AM
Murder Incorporated
Bruce Springsteen

Bobby's got a gun that he keeps beneath his pillow
Out on the street your chances are zero
Take a look around you (come on down)
It ain't too complicated
You're messin' with Murder Incorporated

Now you check over your shoulder everywhere that you go
Walkin' down the street, there's eyes in every shadow
You better take a look around you (come on down)
That equipment you got's so outdated
You can't compete with Murder Incorporated
Everywhere you look now, Murder Incorporated

So you keep a little secret down deep inside your dresser drawer
From dealing with the heat you're feelin' down on the killin' floor
No matter where you step you feel you're never out of danger
So the comfort that you keep's a gold-plated snub-nose thirty-two
I heard that you

You got a job downtown, man it leaves your head cold
And everywhere you look life ain't got no soul
That apartment you live in feels like it's just a place to hide
When your walkin' down the streets you won't meet no one eye to eye
The cops reported you as just another homicide
But I can tell that you was just frustrated
from livin' with Murder Incorporated

Everywhere you look now
Murder Incorporated


Everywhere you look now, Murder Incorporated.

Okay, whatever!!

This song starts out with a ficticious character, I assume, by the name of Bobby.

Out on the streets, your chances are zero!


Where the heck does Bobby live?

YOU check over your shoulder everywhere you go, there's eyes in every shadow.


Who keeps a little secret hidden in their dresser drawer? BOBBY?

This secret is kept in the dresser drawer because of the heat someone is feeling on the killin' floor!!!


Killin' floor!! What is that? Is that a place where someone might lie down before they commit suicide.

This sounds like a song meant to induce PARANOIA!!! in somebody.


No matter where you step you feel you're never out of danger.


Everywhere you look life ain't got no soul. The job makes this person cold. Their apartment is a place to hide.

Won't meet no one eye to eye.

The last verse is about suicide:

The cops reported you as just another homicide
but I could tell you was just frustrated....

Inotherwords, tired of living with the paranoia, fear, so this person committed suicide.

Why didn't you just name the song SUICIDE???



06-22-2007, 12:56 PM
I have mentioned that during my arrival on Springsteen's official site, apparently their attempt to "trigger" sexual programming wasn't working to the degree that they desired, so the levels of programming were emailed to me to REFRESH MY MEMORY.

The emailer said, "ANYTHING?" Does this help you??

What?? Suicide programming, beta programming??

Imagine that. They know about the LEVLS of MIND CONTROL PROGRAMMING and how they work, but never any talk about MKULTRA/Project Monarch.


Makes you think they KNEW ME, doesn't it? Makes you think they were running a "covert operation," doesn't it?

Makes you think they're mind controllers, abusers from the past, doesn't it?

In fact, one poster said to me that she had a hard time believing I was someone from the OFFICIAL site because all this person ever did was ramble on about MKULTRA/Project.

Springsteen's sister told me to go start trouble somewhere else.

I was banned, most probably because I said I'd leave of my own free will.

While I can look in on the UNOFFICIAL site now. I cannot post.

This is to protect them. They want me to be able to look in because they think they have control or will be able to get me back under their control, suicide, switch me, etc.

However, because I am in REALITY and they know I'm writing here, they would never allow me to post again.

In any event, this is not what I desire.

The programming levels were emailed to me right before he referred to me as Wendy several times in the email.

I said, Brucie Baby, you're freakin' me out because of the "schizophrenic" type behavior.

He said, "hey baby!"

So, when sexual programming had been brought to its' height, and several sexual emails had been exchanged, communication via email was discontinued by him, but "sexual programming" triggers were escalated.

I wouldn't say anything on the site to this degree, so, as I've stated, I was writing sexual content to the voices-lycos.com, but never receiving a reply back other than a verse from the bible.

Of course, I was frustrated, angry. It's akin to torture. Can you imagine!!

Heightened sexual programming triggered, constant flirting, sexual references on the site, but no response from the email address I was writing to.

I assume they wanted me to become so angry, frustrated, sexually charged that I would begin to write sexual content on the site and/or begin to display anger, psychotic behavior, emotional distress, etc.

I believe one of the posters by the username Kirkaiya is someone from the past because in the beginning I referred to him as Captain Kirk and this came from my subconscious.

In any event, I'm sure they were all reading these emails; the pigs that they are, but Kirkaiya came onto the Right Wing Lounge, and said that obviously the RWL was helping me. You know the place where Hemi came on my face.

YUCK. What a pig!! Hemi and Kirk to name a few. But, they are all cut from the same cloth.

Helping me!!!!!!

Yes, I truly needed to be helped in their opinion because even when in the cult, I was referred to as a prude.

So, I needed HELP.

Imagine that! They thought they were helping me.

Twisted world in which they live.

They also think their sick jokes are FUNNY. Amongst themselves only, I would say.

Vast asked me on the site, "what are you wearing." I said clothes. What are you wearing. He said boxers and I said, but I thought....and he said, well, yeah, but this being a family site and all.

Family site!! Right!!

During an email he had stated several personal things about his lack of boxers, etc.

06-22-2007, 01:30 PM
There was a "staged" argument between CRT and Vast. They were going to meet to duke it out. Right!! A phone number was provided. Maybe they thought I'd call it, but I didn't.

Vast's email was provided on a thread for CRT and, of course, they knew I'd email him.

So, I did.

There was also this sick game of talking about cell phones and, at the time, wanting to speak to him because, you know, he was the HERO who rescued me from the cult, DNA would post comments like; ring, ring.


I believe in my first email to Vast he mentioned the GOONS. This was most probably to "trigger" memories of torture so that they could call up other false memories and torture by the goons would be relived. That is one of the symptoms produced. Reliving torture when calling up false memories. When calling up real memories, the implant is that you will go crazy.

Their favorite command is "Nuff said." Or, as VAST once commented when I was in my house yelling about their BS, ENOUGH!!

Yes, Carry on, as well, another command. The strawman, X, uses this.

You know, put all the other BS they've inflicted on me behind and continue with them.

The old SONY board didn't have private messaging, but the new board did. I'm sure this was preferred over email because then anyone on the site could have access without being identified.

Like I said, it could have been my PROTECTORS who supplied the voices email address, because I can't imagine anyone on that site referring to the bible or a verse therein and, again, Vast changed his location to read the same as the verse after a while.

Most probably because I wasn't writing sexually charged comments, he wanted me to believe it was him. Get frustrated, angry and display this on the site. Sexual content, as well.

After the "I love you, now what?" email disappeared along with others and all email communication had been cut-off by him, I went on the board and accused him of such. Others came to his defense. However, I had given him my password to by email address because they wanted my picture on the board, but I didn't want to do it.

I'm sure they have access to my email box anyway, even at present and to my keystrokes.

06-22-2007, 03:08 PM
The River
Bruce Springsteen

I come from down in the valley
where mister when you're young
They bring you up to do like your daddy done
Me and Mary we met in high school
when she was just seventeen
We'd ride out of that valley down to where the fields were green

We'd go down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we'd ride

Then I got Mary pregnant
and man that was all she wrote
And for my nineteenth birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat
We went down to the courthouse
and the judge put it all to rest
No wedding day smiles no walk down the aisle
No flowers no wedding dress

That night we went down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we did ride

I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company
But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy
Now all them things that seemed so important
Well mister they vanished right into the air
Now I just act like I don't remember
Mary acts like she don't care

But I remember us riding in my brother's car
Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
Now those memories come back to haunt me
they haunt me like a curse
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
Or is it something worse
that sends me down to the river
though I know the river is dry
That sends me down to the river tonight
Down to the river
my baby and I
Oh down to the river we ride...


Here's that ONE particular song of Springsteen's that he most probably looked at in the end and didn't know where it came from.

Or, just a really LAME excuse for his lyrics so he doesn't have to explain them if asked, but, then again, when asked, psychobabble is usually produced, or speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

He and Mary met in high school.

I never met Springsteen in high school. I was much, much younger. A "little girl."

He's telling a MISTER, (someone he refers to quite often in his songs) that he comes from the Valley where they bring you up to do what your Daddy done.

Again, what did his Daddy do?

We know his Daddy was a Freemason and we know that I wasn't pregnant.

We know I have an alter MARY and that there was disinformation fed to me to protect the truth that I know about this song as far as who was pregnant.

Does Springsteen have a brother? No. Did he ever work for the Johnstown Company? No.

The memories come back to haunt him. They haunt him like a curse. Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse.

As I've said, it could be a NIGHTMARE.

A dream whether realized or not could never be a lie.

It's a dream. Lies occur in REALITY.

A realm you don't seem to exist in.

Just imagine a male saying that everytime he hears the line:

"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse..."

That it chokes him up everytime!


06-22-2007, 03:42 PM


It's coming through a hole in the air,
from those nights in Tiananmen Square.
It's coming from the feel
that this ain't exactly real,
or it's real, but it ain't exactly there.
From the wars against disorder,
from the sirens night and day,
from the fires of the homeless,
from the ashes of the gay:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming through a crack in the wall;
on a visionary flood of alcohol;
from the staggering account
of the Sermon on the Mount
which I don't pretend to understand at all.
It's coming from the silence
on the dock of the bay,
from the brave, the bold, the battered
heart of Chevrolet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
the holy places where the races meet;
from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.

It's coming to America first,
the cradle of the best and of the worst.
It's here they got the range
and the machinery for change
and it's here they got the spiritual thirst.
It's here the family's broken
and it's here the lonely say
that the heart has got to open
in a fundamental way:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

It's coming from the women and the men.
O baby, we'll be making love again.
We'll be going down so deep
the river's going to weep,
and the mountain's going to shout Amen!
It's coming like the tidal flood
beneath the lunar sway,
imperial, mysterious,
in amorous array:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

Sail on, sail on ...

I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean
I love the country but I can't stand the scene.
And I'm neither left or right
I'm just staying home tonight,
getting lost in that hopeless little screen.
But I'm stubborn as those garbage bags
that Time cannot decay,
I'm junk but I'm still holding up
this little wild bouquet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.


If you see CRYPTIC lyrics here, I'd have to say you're DELUSIONAL.

Sounds like a song about DEMOCRACY TO me.

Better put your spectacles on!!

If you want cryptic, check out Springsteen's lyrics for starters.

Couldn't get more cryptic than that as in the song posted above. The River.

Quite obvious why The River and ThunderRoad were posted over and over again in the Right Wing Lounge.

Mary is the alter I've referenced who was harboring the disinformation that they were triggering.

Mary doesn't exist any longer.

06-22-2007, 05:41 PM
The little skits trying to cover-up the "sadistic" behavior doesn't work.

Not funny at all.

In any event, Wendy was erased and replaced with Mary who is a disinformation alter/agent.

BlueAngel is a "pen name," of course, given to me by my PROTECTORS.

Now, it can be said that after I was horifically abused, taken to a so-called safe-house, may have been the island of Bimini, after it was realized that I had taped him, exposed them to insiders, Wendy was erased and Mary replaced.

Many of his songs serve the purpose of calling up disinformation.

So, upon seeing him afterward or if he called me advising that I should pack a bag and he'd come get me, we'd be together, I, in no uncertain terms wanted this.

I knew, as HE told me, that I would never be able to come back to the cult when I said I had outted him and didn't want any part of him, his friends or the sadistic pigs. As if I wanted to!!

Once you leave, you can never come back. THANK GOD!!!!

So, this was an attempt to come get me to go with him and I most probably would have been taken someplace where "psychological torture/trauma would have been exercised.

Perhaps, this is the method of operation that occured the first time.

I'd tell my parents he called. I had contact and they would have preferred that I be with him. Not truly understanding the magnitude of what I had endured. Knowing that if I defected all of our lives could be in danger.

You know, just keep your mouth shut this time and everything will be okay. I talked to the higher-ups he said. They're willing to forgive, forget and give you another chance!!!

Oh, sure, they're going to LET ME BACK in after I was a traitor.

Get real!

As if I wanted that!

As I told him, I didn't want anything to do with him, his friends or the cult.

He constantly repeated that "nothing would ever come of my outting him, because it wasn't him or because I had given information to people inside the cult. They were testing me. Oh, really and so they found out I was a traitor, tortured me, etc. Just part of the process. You have to learn to keep your mouth shut. You have to follow the CODE OF SILENCE!! Well, I don't and I never will.

I repeated that I would never go with him anywhwere, didn't want to be with him. You're only obsessed with me, pretend to love me because you're afraid of what is going to happen to you when the day comes.

And, the day will come.

But, he said, again, you can say whatever you want about me because it wasn't me. You're confused.

You can say whatever you want about me to anyone, but I'll always love you because it wasn't me. You'll find this out someday. This, the reason, the words, "nothing but love" were spoken on the site even after being here writing about him. To enforce the thought/disinformation that what I'm reporting about HIM, wasn't him.

What else can HE/THEY do. They can only continue to play their games.

While I was married, I am certain there was contact. The words were, "it's me, guess who, boo and it's you-know-who.

I was told that I should pack my bags, leave a note for my husband and he'd meet me wherever. But, I would have to leave behind my children and my life as I knew it and never have contact with them again.


I said, I'm not going with you ever and even if I did, do you think I'm stupid enough to believe that we'd be together, that I want to be with you? You're famous and you think that you could hide me from my husband and that he would never have contact.

Again, an attempt to have me pack my bags, meet me somewhere and most probably bring out all types of psychological illnesses. I was to leave a letter. I couldn't deal with the kids anymore.

Emotional, mental abuse and probably physcial would have ensued.

Then what? There one minute, gone the next.

A basket case. Returning to my husband or being left for braindead or dead. Living on the streets or better yet just plain MISSING!!!!!!!

06-22-2007, 06:16 PM
There was a poster on the board on his OFFICIAL site, maybe an "innocent bystander," not many of them, who once said, when I was reading between the lines, they're not talking to you.

ManOfPeace replied, "yes they are."

CRT was someone who seemed rational in the beginning. Another poster commented Tele77, I think it was, that he was leaving because CRT was aligning himself with me.

I was talking about the corrupt government, etc., Federal Reserve. This was a ploy, of course, so that I would look to him as someone to align myself with.

However, I'd have to say he is a moron and even worse.

His "true colors," violent language became apparent real quick when I wasn't obeying.

The same with most of them.

Threads would be set up and they'd converse amongst one another so that derrogatory comments could be made which I knew were directed at me.

CRT once commented, "I told you they were putting something in the water."

This is always a theme. I guess they don't want me to drink water. Gee, I guess you have to in order to stay alive.

CRT would also drop comments like, "priceless" after I devulged information about government officials, etc., in order to make me believe that they were the INTELLIGENCE on the board.

Or, comments like, "good beans."

When you're in an altered state, child-like, they think FUNNY can bring you back in. So, they'd set-up their comic relief routine.

A happy-camper can be controlled.

I was NEVER a happy camper.

06-22-2007, 06:21 PM
Yeah, full of hot air and deranged would describe it well.

The colorful writing style of one of the posters meant to impress is quite laughable.

The pundit on board.

The one who once referred to Springsteen as the glorious Mr. Springsteen and the pleasure of having known him for a very long time.

Tiesthatband commented once that Springsteen was one of us.

What are you?

No need to answer.

We know! but don't include me as one of the US.

06-22-2007, 07:12 PM
Another poster present on official and unofficial site:

rbk, also known as rrbbkk and bruceisdaman.

What is really interesting is why these people, after they've been banned come back using different names; although everyone knows who they are.

When I was emailing someone whom I though was an insider before I went to Springsteen's site, whom I thought was a "good guy," but no longer do, same as Barberien, but I'll get to that later, he told me I should get on a bus, go to Arkansas and investigate Bush's military record.

I made a good investigative reporter, he said. He also said that debates were going to be heating up in the summer and if I wanted to participate....What????

Also said the moon landing wasn't faked as if he knew for certain.

He also said, I'd never KNOW about my past unless my family spoke out.


Also asked for a picture of my father which I supplied to him.

John Nagle is his name also known as "A."

Yes, go to Arkansas. Oh, just what they desire. For me to be ALONE. Leave my husband, children, etc. so they can get their hands on me.

When I mentioned on Springsteen's site through a PM or email, not sure, that I needed to get away, but didn't want to be alone. Hemi and ManOfPeace said they had my back.

Again, to get me alone is their desire.

When I said my bags were packed and I was leaving, had cashed in my assets, had about $50,000 to an email address that was not responding, I'd look on the board and PhoenixBob encouraged me by saying, I like what I'm hearing. Something to that effect.

Anyway, I told him I had "infiltrated," imagine that, subconsciously, I told him I had infiltrated a site when I began posting on Springsteen's board.

He said that forums were useless, but while I was there, I received an email from him in my bulk mail while I was recalling my victimization, saying THEY were looking for information on Aquino.

I assumed he knew I was there and I'm sure he did. Just as when I had emailed him that I felt suicidal, a helicopter flew over and the next comment on the board was some FUNNY. You know, emotionally toy with you, save you, they become your protector when under mind control.

As far as Barbarien, he told me I was preparing for eternity. What??? I had time to prepare. Vast would come and I would follow.

Inotherwords, I was told to get all of my affairs in order before committing suicide.

Barbarien was a fraud, as well.

I believe THEY wanted me to believe that Aquino was my handler/abuser due to the fact that I believe he wore boots, as well.

This would be negative. Although I had contact with him in the beginning, he was not my main handler/controller.

At one point, on Springsteen's site, I was recalling information about Naples, the strange ranch we were sent to in the summer, reference this thread, and Vast said, there aren't any lakes in Naples.

Since when?

Florida is one big lake!!!

I do remember that whenever I was picked up, I would be taken someplace, although under the impression we were just going to be together, and left.

I was always saying to HIM, why do you make me believe we're going somewhere else, doing something else and then you bring me someplace else, leave me there alone, or with other people/strange men.

Why are you always leaving me, I'd ask him.

I tell you what they do to me and you don't care. Same as my father.

But, HE knew.

06-22-2007, 07:46 PM
All Around the World

I've been all around the world
but I haven't seen a thing
I've been traveling in my mind
rocky roads and uphill streams

I've been searching for the beauty
opening doors
turning keys
i've been twisting
i've been turning
i've been burning
just to see

crystal clear blue waters
majestic clouds and sunset skies
horizons set in gold
sunken ships not far below

i've been traveling round the globe
but I haven't left the ground
i've been listening to the quiet
to the silence of the sound

just spinning through the pages
like a movie I once saw
watching my life go hazy
through the waterless crystall ball


This was written during my altered state.

06-22-2007, 07:47 PM
In the home of the brave, Jefferson turning over in his grave,
Fools glorify themselves, try to manipulate Satan. - Bob Dylan -
- Rigorous Intuition, Oct 05, 2005 -

06-22-2007, 09:59 PM
Darkness there and nothing more. The darkness grows darker.


06-23-2007, 08:34 AM
Having been trained in the "art of extraction"
for their evil purposes, I deployed this tool against him/THEM.

I had to "make people" talk for THEIR benefit and, so, too, I made him talk.

Hence, the tapes that I have referred to!

06-23-2007, 06:58 PM

"One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later)"

I didn't mean to treat you so bad
You shouldn't take it so personal
I didn't mean to make you so sad
You just happened to be there, that's all
When I saw you say goodbye to your friends
and smile
I thought that it was well understood
That you'd be comin' back in a little while
I didn't know that you were sayin' goodbye for good

But sooner or later one of us must know
But you just did what you're supposed to do
Sooner or later one of us must know
That I really did try to get close to you.

I couldn't see what you could show me
Your scarf had kept your mouth well hid
I couldn't see how you could know me
But you said you knew me and I believed you did
When you whispered in my ear
And asked me if I was leavin' with you or her
I didn't realize just what I did hear
I didn't realize how young you were.

But sooner or later one of us must know
But you were just doing what you're supposed to do
Sooner or later one of us must know
That I really did try to get close to you.

I couldn't see when it started snowin'
Your voice was all that I heard
I couldn't see where we were goin'
But you said you knew and I took your word
And then you told me later as I apologized
That you were just kiddin' me, you weren't really from the farm
And I told you, as you clawed out my eyes
That I never really meant to do you any harm.

But sooner or later one of us must know
But you just did what you're supposed to do
Sooner or later one of us must know
That I really did try to get close to you.


Young and from the FARM.

Maggie's farm or the other FARM? How young was she?

So, when YOU treated this person bad, they shouldn't have taken it personally because you didn't mean it.

Okay....moving on....

Didn't mean to make her so sad, she just happened to be there.

Okay....moving on....

I couldn't see how you could know me but you said you did and I believed you!

Okay....moving on....

So SHE told you SHE was from the FARM. Then SHE told you SHE wasn't. She then clawed your eyes out after you apologized and said you didn't mean to do her any harm.

She must have been pretty upset if she clawed your eyes out.

I wonder why she said she was from the farm and then said she wasn't.

Didn't mean to hearm her. Didn't mean to treat her so bad. Didn't mean to make her so sad.

Didn't mean to, but you did.

What then did you mean?

Something else?

I assume from the line, "I didn't know that you were saying good-bye for good," you realized this after you never saw her again.

06-23-2007, 07:12 PM

"Gotta Serve Somebody"

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might be a rock'n' roll addict prancing on the stage
Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage
You may be a business man or some high degree thief
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be an young turk
You may be the head of some big TV network
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
You may be living in another country under another name.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome
You might own guns and you might even own tanks
You might be somebody's landlord you might even own banks.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
You may be working in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Jimmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything but no matter what you say.

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.


I think the following verse SPEAKS FOR ITSELF:

Might be a rock'n' roll addict prancing on the stage
Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage

AGAIN, the above verse follows this verse:

"It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might be a rock'n' roll addict prancing on the stage
Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage

He does not say, as in the other verses:

"YOU" may be a rock'n' roll addict"



That you might have to serve a rock'n' roll addict prancing on the stage

Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage

Dylan does not say AT YOUR COMMAND. He uses the plural COMMANDS!!!!

06-23-2007, 08:00 PM
You know, those words, "at your command," don't sit well with me.

It illuminates how a slave is trained to obey on command just like a DOG can be trained to obey on command.

"I'm at your command" is what I would have to speak.

Whose command(s) do you follow, would be asked.

Who do you BELONG to?

Who OWNS you?

Who do you OBEY?

Who are your Masters?

While I was on Springsteen's OFFICIAL site, I received an email, something like:

What would you like?

"I'm at your command."

To the contrary. Those words were spoken to suggest that I was under his command.

06-23-2007, 08:30 PM

"Man Of Peace"

Look out your window, baby, there's a scene you'd like to catch
The band is playing "Dixie", a man got his hand outstretched
Could be the FÅhrer
Could be the local priest
You know sometimes Satan, you know he comes as a man of peace.

He got a sweet gift of gab, he got a harmonious tongue
He knows every song of love that ever has been sung
Good intentions can be evil
Both hands can be full of grease
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, first he's in the background, and then he's in the front
Both eyes are looking like they're on a rabbit hunt
Nobody can see through him
No, not even the Chief of Police
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, he catch you when you're hoping for a glimpse of the sun
Catch you when your troubles feel like they weigh a tone
He could be standing next to you
The person that you'd notice least
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, he can be fascinating, he can be dull
He can ride down Niagara Falls in the barrels of your skull
I can smell something cooking
I can tell there's going to be a feast
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

He's a great humanitarian, he's great philanthropist
He knows just where to touch you honey, and how you like to be kissed
He'll put both his arms around you
You can feel the tender touch of the beast
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, the howling wolf will howl tonight, the king snake will crawl
Trees that've stood for a thousand years suddenly will fall
Wanna get married ? Do it now
Tomorrow all activity will cease
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Somewhere Mama's weeping for her blue-eyed boy
She's holding them little white shoes and that little broken toy
And he's following a star
The same one them three men followed from the East
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.


SATAN has a tender touch when he puts boths arms around you, according to Dylan and knows how HONEY likes to be kissed and SATAN knows just where to touch her, too.

SATAN is also a great humanitarian and philanthropist.

SATAN also lifts you up when you're down and is fascinating.

SATAN knows every song of love that ever has been sung.

Sounds like DYLAN has a PERSONAL relationship with THE DEVIL.

06-23-2007, 09:34 PM
In Dylan's song, "Gotta Serve Somebody," he says that "someday, no matter who we are, we're gonna have to serve somebody.

Those that he says we're going to have to serve may be:

The Devil
The Lord
a Rock'n' Roll addict who supplies drugs, money and has women in cages!

Well, Dylan, I wasn't a woman, I was a "little girl" and we were quite often kept in cages.

And, you're right, our handlers supplied drugs and used command(s).

They abused us, didn't mean to and we weren't suppose to take it personally.

These musicians serve the agenda of the "Illuminati;" they pay the price for fortune and fame; sell their souls to the devil.

The devil is their friend.

They place mass amounts of people in altered states of consciousness through their music and introduce Satan/Devil/Lucifer in their lyrics.

Just as they introduce drugs, sexual promiscuity and violence in their lyrics.

They are puppets within the music industry and they SERVE the DEVIL/ILLUMINATI.

One in the same.

06-24-2007, 07:17 AM
So, are the fans of these musicians SERVING them unknowingly??

Remember, Dylan also said:


06-24-2007, 07:36 AM

"Oh Sister"

Oh sister when I come to lie in your arms
You should not treat me like a stranger
Our Father would not like the way that you act
And you must realize the danger

Oh sister am I not a brother to you
And one deserving of affection ?
And is our purpose not the same on this earth
To love and follow His direction ?

We grew up together
From cradle to the grave
We died and were reborn
And then mysteriously saved.

Oh sister when I come to knock on your door
Don't turn away you'll create sorrow
Time is an ocean but it ends at the shore
You may not see me tomorrow.


I don't know if Dylan has a sister.

However, he says, Oh, sister, when I come lie in your arms, don't treat me like a stranger.

Our father would not like that.

Sounds like another incestuous song to me.

He implies it is dangerous.

He asks, Oh, sister am I not a brother to you and one deserving of affection.


06-24-2007, 07:45 AM

"Is Your Love In Vain ?"

Do your love me, or are you just extending goodwill ?
Do you need me half as bad as you say, or are you just feeling guilt ?
I've been burned before and I know the score
So you won't hear me complain
Will I be able to count on you
Or is you love in vain ?

Are you so fast that you cannot see that I must have solitude ?
When I am in the darkness, why do you intrude ?
Do you know my world, do you know my kind
Or must I explain
Will you let me be myself
Or is you love in vain ?

Well I've been to the mountain and I've been in the wind
I've been in and out of happiness
I have dined with kings, I've been offered wings
And I've never been too impressed.

All right, I'll take a chance, I will fall in love with you
If I'm a fool you can have the night, you can have the morning too
Can you cook and sew, make flowers grow
Do you understand my pain ?
Are you willing to risk it all
Or is your love in vain ?

Can you cook and sew, make flowers grow
Do you understand my pain ?
Are you willing to risk it all
Or is you love in vain ?


He asks, "do you know my world, do you know my kind ? Or do I have to explain."

I think we understand.

He asks, "are you willing to risk it all or is your love in vain ?

06-24-2007, 07:48 AM
RedRat said:

Re: I now have 999 post's left... #11
Home away from home

Joined: 2005/9/3
From arizona
Posts: 1020
As usual, the only person in the world to discover the occult meaning, but WTF, MORONS continue your stupidity, I am way ahead of your time! (gulp, gulp,)

NOTE: FU BA! and ...


I think his location has been changed.

06-24-2007, 09:11 AM
While on Springsteen's site, I received an email asking if I remembered Wicca.

I really don't remember at this point alot of their teachings regarding satanism that is introduced through so-called Christianity such as the Kaballah, which is a mystery religion.

I do remember certain terms and phrases such as "All Hallow's Eve," Gnostic, but not yet their significance.

06-24-2007, 09:14 AM
I would think at this point some exposure would be warranted and necessary.

06-24-2007, 01:06 PM
They cut their nose
to spite their face
never thought I would awake
never thought I would escape

my memories they tried to erase
my mind, my soul to incarcerate
never thought I would awake
never thought I would escape

to read their words for all to see
their dedication to the Illuminati
all players in the the lies they weave
they sing their lines immorally
all players in the same game plan
destruction of our lives and man

They thought they'd put me fast asleep
not to reveal
secrets so deep

buried far beneath my skin
the filth they worship
they're disgusting sins

They thought I'd take a different path
and they'd be free
of me at last
to continue on
with their enslavement camps

so I ask you Bruce
when you sleep at night
do you see my face
do you hold on tight

do you wish me dead
have the strength to fight
is your mind intact
are you hangin' tight
do you feel your soul
is it sinking deep

do you have a voice
can it still speak

do you wish me dead
have the strength to fight
cause you knew I'd do
just what I said
and I promise you
it's not about revenge

I speak of justice
and it will be served
not just for me
but for all of us
the ones they used
for their filthy deeds
the ones who never planted seeds

the ones who are buried deep below
out in the fields of Bohemia Grove

cause a better man I thought I'd see
standing right in front of me
but in your eyes and on your face
no remorse and no disgrace

are you happy now
can you click your heels
do you understand
that I'm for real

cause I told you once
and I'll tell you twice
I don't ever pay the price

06-24-2007, 01:38 PM
During Bono's induction speech of Bruce Springsteen he said the following:

"Then there's Bruce Springsteen. Handsome mother with those brooding brown eyes, eyes that could see through America. And a catastrophe of great songs, if you were another songwriter.

He says he has a CATASTROPHE of great songs. I'd agree with the CATSTROPHE part. You hit the nail on the head.

But, what does this mean:

"And a catastrophe of great songs,

if you were another songwriter.??

Bono says the following:

"America was staggering when Springsteen appeared. The president just resigned in disgrace, the U.S. had lost its first war. There was going to be no more oil in the ground. The days of cruising and big cars were supposed to be over. But Bruce Springsteen's vision was bigger than a Honda, it was bigger than a Subaru. Bruce made you believe that dreams were still out there, but after loss and defeat, they had to be braver, not just bigger. He was singing 'Now you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young anymore,' because it took guts to be romantic now. Knowing you could lose didn't mean you still didn't take the ride. In fact, it made taking the ride all the more important.

So, Bruce saved America, according to Bono because he made you believe in dreams. I'd agree that he places his fans in a dream-like state.

But, come on. He arrived on the scene and saved America.


Bruce had to make people believe that dreams where still out there!!

Without him, we wouldn't have known this!!!

Oh, yes, after loss and defeat the dreams had to be bigger and braver such as displayed in a line in one of his songs:

"Now you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young America."

He's singing to MARY, for goodness sakes.

It took guts to be romantic, Bono says and Springsteen did this.


Oh, so he also taught America how to be romantic. Oh, yes, the "$250.00 up the a**" is real romantic.

06-24-2007, 02:29 PM
Oh, yes, "ThunderRoad," real ROMANTIC.

Mary runs back inside. Wonder why? Is she afraid of what he's there for.

What is he there for?

Whenever my husband is romantic, he always tells me that "I ain't a beauty, but that's alright with him."


And then there's Wendy, the tramp, but he wants to guard her dreams and visions.

Yes, real romantic!

Whenever my husband is romantic, he always tells me that I'm a tramp.


Actually, it was HIM who referred to me as a tramp.

You're nothing but a tramp. No one is ever going to want you. You're a tramp. I'm a tramp.

I'm not a tramp, I'd say.

You make me a tramp.

No one will ever know about the filth you and your friends forced upon me...UNTIL NOW!

06-24-2007, 02:31 PM
Talk about degrading, humiliating and demoralizing lyrics toward females, and I think Springsteen might just hold that title.

06-24-2007, 02:32 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Oh, yes, "ThunderRoad," real ROMANTIC.

Mary runs back inside. Wonder why? Is she afraid of what he's there for.

What is he there for?

Whenever my husband is romantic, he always tells me that "I ain't a beauty, but that's alright with him."


And then there's Wendy, the tramp, but he wants to guard her dreams and visions.

Yes, real romantic!

Whenever my husband is romantic, he always tells me that I'm a trap.


Do you see now? the internet has evolved into total insanity.

06-24-2007, 02:47 PM
Bono continues:

"Here was a new vision, and a new community. More than a community, because every great rock group is kind of like starting a religion. and Bruce surrounded himself with fellow believers."

Oh, yes, surrounds himself with fellow believers.

A rock group is kind of like starting a religion.


What kind of religion?

He also said in the paragraph in one of my previous posts:

"He was singing 'Now you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young anymore,' because it took guts to be romantic now. Knowing you could lose didn't mean you still didn't take the ride. In fact, it made taking the ride all the more important."


What is this man talking about?

Then he continues with, "knowing you could lose didn't mean you still didn't take the ride."

What ride?

The ride he wanted Mary to take?

The ride TLH keeps referring to?

The ride to sell your soul and hope you become one of their cash cows so you're not sent to slaughter.

Yeah, what a RIDE!!!

06-24-2007, 03:04 PM
More from Bono's speech:

"I remember when Bruce was headlining Amnesty International's tour for prisoners of conscience, I remember thinking 'Wow, if ever there was a prisoner of conscience, it's Bruce Springsteen.' Integrity can be a yoke, a pain...when your songs are taking you to a part of town where people don't expect to see you."


"Integrity can be a pain...when your songs are taking you to a part of twon where people don't expect to see you."

Obviously, the man has no integrity. I can vouch for that.

Nonetheless, most of Springsteen's songs don't display integrity, but his fans are so blinded by the media SPIN around him (and, by the way, we know who owns the media), that they clearly see him as some kind of HEROIC songwriter.

And, I'm sure if you look back on this thread, I've mentioned that I don't believe he writes his own songs.

Same can be said about many musicians.

Bono speaks to this and it's included in several posts ahead of this one.

06-24-2007, 03:11 PM
"Something was going on, though. As a fan I could see that my hero was beginning to rebel against his own public image. Things got even more interesting on 'Tunnel of Love,' when he started to deface it. A remarkable bunch of tunes, where our leader starts having a go at himself, and the hypocrisy of his own heart, before anyone else could. But the tabloids could never break news on Bruce Springsteen. Because his fans... he had already told us everything in the songs. We knew he was spinning. We could feel him free- falling. But it wasn't in chaos or entropy. It was in love."


Bono says the tabloids could never break news on Bruce Springsteen because he had already told us everything in the songs. We knew he was spinning.


He has written his own tabloid about himself throughout the pages of this songs.


Certainly, he hasn't told us everything!

Bono says we could feel him "spinning" and freefalling.

Freefalling, of course, is one of Tom Petty's songs.

And, spinning, as we know, is part of mind control.

I think this word spinning was used twice by Bono. Not sure.

He refers to Springsteen as OUR LEADER!

06-24-2007, 04:03 PM
Springsteen's Acceptance Speech into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; 1999:


"Now my dad, he passed away this year, but I've gotta thank him because -- what would I conceivably have written about without him? I mean, you can imagine that if everything had gone great between us, we would have had disaster. I would have written just happy songs -- and I tried it in the early '90s and it didn't work; the public didn't like it. He never said much about my music, except that his favorite songs were the ones about him. And that was enough, you know? Anyway, I put on his work clothes and I went to work. It was the way that I honored him. My parents' experience forged my own. They shaped my politics, and they alerted me to what is at stake when you're born in the U.S.A. I miss you Dad."

Springsteens says he put on his father's work clothes and went to work. That was the way he honored him.

Really? You wore your father's work clothes.

Or, is that a metaphor for something else?

Your parent's experience forged your own.

What experience was that?

They shaped your politics and alerted you to what is at STAKE when you're born in the U.S.A.

Could you alert us please as to what is at stake when you're born in the U.S.A???

06-24-2007, 04:06 PM
Excerpt continued:

'A lot of other people: Marion and Tex Vinyard. They took me under their wing when I was 15. They opened up their home to a bunch of rock and roll misfits and let us make a lot of noise and practice all night long. Thanks Marion.'

Who are Marion and Tex Vinyard?


They took you under their wing, sounds familiar, like something someone was going to do with me and that I objected to, when you were 15!!

They opened their home, he says.

Where did they live?

Why did they open their home?

Were they in the music business?

They opened their home to a bunch of rock and roll MISFITS.

So, you consider yourself a MISFIT.

What are the names of some of the other misfits that the home was opened to?

06-24-2007, 04:11 PM

"They're the money men. How can I put this? These are great and complicated and misunderstood Americans ... They're men that are entrusted with a very, very important task. For the folks that don't know, the money man goes to the record company, and he's in charge of bringing back the pink Cadillac. Well, when Allen and Artie go, they bring back the pink Cadillac ... and the blue Cadillac ... and the yellow Cadillac ... and the red Cadillac ... and the pink Cadillac with the whitewalls ... but then they take the blue Cadillac ... and they take the hubcaps off the yellow Cadillac ... but that still leaves you with a few Cadillacs. And they make sure that neither you nor themselves, of course, are gonna be broke when you're riding in the black Cadillac."

Oh, yes, the "local hero," blue-collar representative, Bruce Springsteen, with a few Cadillacs.

Why is he referred to as a local "hero" in New Jersey?

Why does any one of his fans consider him a hero? Got me.

Talk about depressing songs that make you want to slit your throat!!

My goodness, people are so easily manipulated.

That was the headline in one of the Jersey papers when he was inducted.


Go figure!

06-24-2007, 04:18 PM
Seriously, his speech is beginning to sound like he won an OSCAR or something.

I think had he been at the Academy they would have sounded the buzzer long time ago.

Obvioulsy, the man believes he is what they've attempted to make him appear in the public eye.

Goodness, gracious. Wait until he wakes up to reality.


Thank you so much. And oh, the next guy. Yeah. This is ... Jon Landau, or as I sometimes call him, Jon "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" Landau. I've seen the future of rock 'n' roll management, and its name is Jon Landau ... I had to return the favor there. But that was -- that quote was managing, it was a mite burdensome for me. But as he often said, "That's your job." But Jon's given me something beyond friendship and beyond guidance: his intelligence, his sense of the truth, his recognition of my intelligence. His creative ability as a producer and editor -- speechwriter earlier this evening -- his ability to see through to the heart of matters, both professional and personal, and the love that he's given me has altered my life forever. What I hope to give to my fans with my music -- a greater sense of themselves and and greater freedom -- he with his talents and his abilities has done that for me. There's no thank you tonight that's gonna do the job, and it's a debt that I can't repay -- and one I treasure always. Thank you Jon. I love you. I also want to thank Barbara Landau, and Kate and Charlie, for sharing Jon with me over the years. I know it hasn't been easy.


I think Springsteen is saying that Landau wrote this speech.

He refers to it as a SPEECH!!

He says that the love Jon Landau has given him has altered his life forever!!!

Springsteen believes his music gives his fans a greater sense of themselves and greater FREEDOM!

He goes on to say he loves Landau and thanks his family for sharing Jon with him.

06-24-2007, 04:19 PM
So, Landau writes this speech for Springsteen and has him talk about how much he loves him and how much his love has altered his life forever.



I guess when you're a Rock and Roll star you need a speech writer on hand.

06-24-2007, 04:27 PM

Oh now ... last but not least, Clarence Clemons. That's right. You want to be like but you can't, you know. The night I met Clarence, he got up on stage (and) a sound came out of his horn that seemed to rattle the glasses behind the bar, and threatened to blow out the back wall. The door literally blew off the club in a storm that night, and I knew I'd found my sax player. But there was something else, something -- something happened when we stood side by side. Some ... some ... some energy, some unspoken story. For 15 years Clarence has been a source of myth and light and enormous strength for me on stage. He has filled my heart so many night -- so many nights -- and I love it when he wraps me in those arms at the end of the night. That night we first stood together, I looked over at C and it looked like his head reached into the clouds. And I felt like a mere mortal scurrying upon the earth, you know. But he always lifted me up. Way, way, way up. Together we told a story of the possibilities of friendship, a story older than the ones that I was writing and a story I could never have told without him at my side. I want to thank you, Big Man, and I love you so much.

Springsteen says about Clarence:

I love it when he wraps me in those arms at the end of the night. That night we first stood together, I looked over at C and it looked like his head reached into the clouds. And I felt like a mere mortal scurrying upon the earth, you know. But he always lifted me up. Way, way, way up.

He says that together they told a story of the possibilities of friendship, a story older than the ones that he was writing and a story he could never have told without him by my side.

He ends with:

I love you so much.

06-24-2007, 04:33 PM

Evan, Jessie and Sam, three children genealogically linked to the E Street Band ... tell the rest of the story.


Well, obviously they would be because Springsteen is a member and so, too is his wife.

So, why this statement?

Genealogically linked to the E Street Band or to them?

06-24-2007, 06:59 PM
I just watched a youtube video of Springsteen performing "Dancing in the Dark" at the Amnesty International Concert from the 80's.

He pulled a male from the audience onto the stage to dance with him.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me that Springsteen displays more homosexual behavior than he does heterosexual.

Yes, he's married, but you know, Rock Hudson had us all fooled, too.

06-24-2007, 08:07 PM
I don't share their code, but I speak their language. I read their language. I decipher their language.

Their cryptic language.

They refer to it as speaking in tongue.

Disguised so that the populace who are not familiar with their "secrets," don't understand what it is they are truly saying.

When they speak amongst themselves such as at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions, they are more prone to let their "tongues" fly.

The general public doesn't see what I see, doesn't read what I read as it relates to their "cult," because they were not there.

But those of us who are familiar with them can read "in between the lines," such as I've done on this site and Springsteen's site and in the past.

Those of us who are familiar know that it has a hidden meaning.

Others, just let it pass.

I believe in the past, I was able to decipher written instruments that were "coded" with their language for the "insiders," my protectors.

Maybe a dignitary in another country wants to relay something to someone within our government. To be safe so that a phone call cannot be later uncovered, a written document, etc., it may be scripted in a speech.

This, the same way they reach "mind control" victims/survivors or those "puppets" whom they want to carry out an act for them which they have been programmed to perform in the future.

06-24-2007, 09:29 PM
One would assume TLH's comments as below were meant for me:

Get back on earth
Live Better, than I might have...
the world still might be salvageable.
When we speak aloud, and together, we will show our courage.
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were still trying to put you back on a corrective path....,

06-24-2007, 09:31 PM
RedRat said:

"I guese you and BA are the SAME STUPID FUCKS!!!!"

06-25-2007, 11:55 AM
They have sex with each other, is what I told my protectors. Orgies. Groups of them. Men with men and the women, most probably child-like alters are used for sadistic purposes to arouse them sexually.

Myself, as well. Most times it was anal sex.

Their sexual deviant behavior precludes them from the normal female/male relationship.

The pedophiles that they are is the reason victims have "child-like" alters installed.

The meglomaniacs that they are overshadows their ability to love anyone else and their sociophathic illness leaves them void of compassion, empathy, sympathy.

Anyway, as I told him. The only reason you want me to be with you is because I know that you prefer men and you don't want it to be known.

Why would you say that?

Because I remember you and other male musicians having sex.

What? You didn't think I would remember?

This conversation may have taken place after I returned from the so-called "witness protection program."

You don't even like women. You only like me when I'm in a "child-like" state.

Whenever I was subjected to these sexual encounters, I had no choice, but, of course, I rejected and tried to stay as aware as possible.

I assume those within the cult and he, himself, were under the impression that I was totally in their world and that this would be a part of my life forever.

06-25-2007, 11:57 AM
Remember, females slaves are horrifically abused mentally, emotionally, psychologically, physically.

This is not LOVE!

06-25-2007, 05:29 PM
The Time is Now!

In Peace,

06-25-2007, 06:06 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
The Time is Now!

In Peace,

What time is it?

Note: BA now uses her signature with "In Peace" at the end of her message, What exactly is she trying to do? use cryptic messaging?

06-25-2007, 06:14 PM
You had a choice a long time ago, and you chose to pay the price.

I had the evidence against you and THEM. You
could have been a "witness" and, perhaps, escaped the wrath that you now face.

All of you!

I despise and resent you and your fellow comrades. Musicians and otherwise.

You are corrupted to the core and had a chance to change your life, seek help and become something other than what they have made you.

But, your sickness precludes you from this. You are a meglomaniac in love with yourself. Praised as a hero in the eyes of your "blind faith" followers and the media who have spun you and many of your satanic friends in this light.

I am not a sociopath without sympathy or empathy, but you are.

I do not have sympathy or empathy for abusive pedophiles, sadistic pigs.

I feel into the "wrong" hands while on your site and I despise and resent most of the posters who were there at the time.

Looking back and realizing you attempted the same as in the past, CONTROL of my mind, body and soul, I am filled with disgust.

To think I even spent time on your site, believed the lies for a short-period, sickens me. But, it will pass.

It is no different than before and that passed, too.

You and your cohorts are company I would never want to keep.

The "mind controllers" trying to suck the life out of me again.

The "mind controllers" attempting to remove me again so far out of reality to a point of no return.

But, I'm strong and knew it was wrong. I knew it then and I know it now.

I am glad to be rid of all of you for the last time.

As in the past, keeping connected to reality is what saved me.

As in the past, this was the problem I presented for all of you.

I was a DIFFICULT ONE, it was said. Why do you have to be so difficult? Why don't you just follow orders? Why don't you just obey us? Do what we say?

You bring all this on yourself.

I despised not being able to be myself. I despised being controlled. I despised not being allowed the opportunity to use my talents as I so desired.

I despised your worship of Satan!

I despised the fact that I was going to be incarcerated for the rest of my life around sexually deviant behavior.

This is not what GOD wanted for me or any of us.

I'll never forget how you attempted to turn me against my husband so I would leave him, be alone so you and your cohorts could be free to RUIN my life completely, cause an assisted suicide, or an institutionalization through psychological trauma. Never to return to myself.

This is what you hoped for. That I would spend the rest of my life alone and without real LOVE. That I would remain in the state I was left in after I blurted out that I was from the farm, talked to insiders and then tricked into going to a so-called safe-house.

You hoped for this so that I would not present a problem for you in the future so you could continue with your despicable life. In this way, you wouldn't have to worry that one day I would return to my senses; my memories of the past.

Problem is, you tried this before and it didn't work.

Problem is, you tried this again and it didn't work.

In the past, I believe my PROTECTORS advised me that the only way to rid myself of their interference in my life was to go public with the tapes and my knowledge.

However, after returning from the so-called safehouse and still having contact with my controller, listening to music and the traumatization/torture I endured, I did not feel well-equipped to do so.

"Triggers" were everywhere; I was in a catatonic state; afraid to talk to anyone, etc., etc.,

I was told they would continue to research. Continue to work behind the scenes to expose this nefarious group and when I woke up from the "deep sleep" the pigs placed me in, I was armed with instructions from them.

TO NEVER SUICIDE being the most important one.

While on was on Springsteen's site looking through the songs on Tracks, I was picking out the lryics that addressed me.

I was in high gear. Performing for them. Being controlled and manipulated. DNA posted on the board, "Give it all you got."

They love this. They "get off" on controlling others. Fills that voided hole they have inside their souls. Their lack of self-worth.

They thought they had me eating out of the palm of their hand.

RedRat asks, "Who really is BlueAngel?"

What a ridiculous question. As if I'm someone else pretending to be her.

Quite frankly, it's none of his business, but as I've stated, I'm an OPERATIVE. Sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and not a "satanic cult" bound to their CODE OF SILENCE!

All pertinent information/evidence can and will be released.

I certainly wasn't preparing for anything else!

You have my blessings!

06-25-2007, 06:33 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

RedRat asks, "Who really is BlueAngel?"

What a ridiculous question. As if I'm someone else pretending to be her.

Quite frankly, it's none of his business, but as I've stated, I'm an OPERATIVE. Sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and not a "satanic cult" bound to their CODE OF SILENCE!

All pertinent information/evidence can and will be released.

I certainly wasn't preparing for anything else!

You have my blessings!

I have a RIGHT to ask questions! this is the internet where we are allowed such freedoms remember? Your correct that it is none of my business, but remember it is you who is putting information about the Music Industry, I could care less about the individuals (singers/writers/producers) who run that business, it's all Satanic Garbage, however I have a RIGHT to form a opinion and publish it, same as you.

If you have'nt figured out yet, the Satanic Cult of which you speak of has already been condemmed by GOD, those who have participated in that horrific act are bound to HELL! however it's GOD who is merciful to all, to not see that, only if those sick individuals accept the CHRIST, reject evil, ask for forgiveness, then possibly GOD will not burn them in HELL.(even though we as humans think so.)

06-25-2007, 06:48 PM
RedRat said:

I have a RIGHT to ask questions! this is the internet where we are allowed such freedoms remember? Your correct that it is none of my business, but remember it is you who is putting information about the Music Industry, I could care less about the individuals (singers/writers/producers) who run that business, it's all Satanic Garbage, however I have a RIGHT to form a opinion and publish it, same as you.

You're absolutely right, you can ask whatever questions you desire. Never said you couldn't. I said it was a RIDICULOUS question. You're right again. You can form whatever opinion you like. Never said you couldn't and never said you couldn't publish it.

If you have'nt figured out yet, the Satanic Cult of which you speak of has already been condemmed by GOD, those who have participated in that horrific act are bound to HELL! however it's GOD who is merciful to all, to not see that, only if those sick individuals accept the CHRIST, reject evil, ask for forgiveness, then possibly GOD will not burn them in HELL.(even though we as humans think so.)

That's their business. Not mine.

06-25-2007, 07:13 PM
That's their business not mine???? it is your business, your the one writing about the atrocities perpetrated against you, and yet you seemingly take a 180 degree turn to say that????

I think your confused a bit, people like that should burn in HELL! they've made the world a terrible place for children to grow up in, Personally if I were GOD i would have them toasted in HELL, lord knows the corrupt court system of today is full of Satanic individuals, it's like the PEDOS looking after the PEDOS.

06-25-2007, 08:04 PM
redrat11 wrote:
That's their business not mine???? it is your business, your the one writing about the atrocities perpetrated against you, and yet you seemingly take a 180 degree turn to say that????

As I said, their personal relationship with GOD and/or SATAN is their business. Not mine. My experience inside the music industry is MY business. Get it? There is a separation you don't want to comprehend.

I think your confused a bit, people like that should burn in HELL! they've made the world a terrible place for children to grow up in, Personally if I were GOD i would have them toasted in HELL, lord knows the corrupt court system of today is full of Satanic individuals, it's like the PEDOS looking after the PEDOS.

So, what is it you think I'm confused about??? Oh, you're trying to tell me that I'm doomed by a court system.

Your obvious concern as to this subject matter that you consider GARBAGE is curious.

In any event, your concern/opinions are irrelevant to me and all others who genuinely understand the MAGNITUDE of what I am speaking and what is to COME in the very near future.

You're just a RedRat/Anonymous poster on an internet forum who has just entered the safehouse that has been provided for me.

06-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Never knew there was a song by Roy Orbison titled, "Blue Angel." Just found it doing a search for his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I remember description of sunglasses. Don't like looking at his face/sunglasses.

Many of Orbisons song's and Van Morrison's songs were BETA triggers.

I also remember saying, "he prances around like a rooster." Jagger.

Roy Orbison
Blue Angel

Oh, Blue Angel Don't you cry Just because he said goodbye Oh, uh, uh aah No, don't cry
Oh Blue Angel Have no fear I'll brush away each lonely teardrop
Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, oh, ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo

Well love's precious flame Just burned in vain But you're not to blame He thought love was a game
Oh, such a shame But don't you cry Don't sigh I'll tell you why I'll never say goodbye Blue Angel!

We'll have love so fine Magic moments divine If you'll just say yoy're mine I'll love you 'tll the end of time
Don't you worry your pretty head I'll never let you down I'll always be around Blue Angel! Blue Angel!


There is a song by Led Zepplin, can't find it; however. Alice Cooper played it one night on the oldies stations in my city.

The "title" bears my first name.

06-25-2007, 09:44 PM
Since I wouldn't accept any money for my silence, there was to be a deal.

At that point, this was all I was capable of accomplishing.

Just waitin' on a Sunny Day in the future which has finally arrived.

He wanted assurances.

How do I know you won't release the tape?

Tell your husband?


I'm going to tell my husband that I knew you??

Like I'm going to tell anybody?

See, they probably would have preferred this so that I would have appeared delusional.

They would have preferred I would have told people that every song by another artist with a trigger that indicated some connection to me was someone I knew from the past.

Just stay out of my life and I'll stay out of your life, I said.

"I'll just pretend we never met."

My life isn't any of your business.

That was THAT at the time.

This is NOW.

Do you think they stayed out of my life? Of course not.

They had to play their mind games, run interference to keep anxiety levels high so that memories would not surface. "Psychops."

Watch me, bug my house, so they'd know when I began to remember and they could put in place even more INTERFERENCE.

Just as my PROTECTORS advised that they wouldn't stay out of my life, they didn't and they haven't.

So, the time has come!

06-25-2007, 09:46 PM
I want the BASTARDS gone!