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redrat11
07-23-2007, 07:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN!

Then why did you say that you were?

because this is the internet, people say what they want, sorry to mislead you.

konig19
07-23-2007, 11:28 PM
[quote]
BlueAngel wrote:
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Please show me where I said Springsteen was talking to me. I don't say that I FEEL like people in the forums know me. THEY DO KNOW ME. Sorry, but I KNOW more than you.
You did say that it must have been Springsteen who posted some crap since the site was locked down or something and he only could,as far as I remember.
OK,they know that you are alleged Springsteen mind control victim,I wasnt sure.
What do you know more than me?Why act like a child in first place.
By the way what use is knowledge when its nothing but lies.


I would suggest you dont go to any Springsteen websites at all,there is no reason to,since you are not some dumb fan.
You can make all the suggestions you like, but I'm FREE to do as I desire.
Thats fine BlueAngel,but why do you go to Springsteen websites?
It would be nice to know,as long as you dont have a problem answering this question.


Dont ever think that humans can read your mind,trust me is not possible,we dont have such abilities.
Why should I trust you? Are you an expert in the field of mind control? Where did I mention anything about humans reading my mind?
Maybe because Im speaking the truth.You are free to make up your own mind though.
Im not an expert in mind control,but Thanks God, I know a lot how a mind works though,much better than most people.


The Devils can.
What is the deal with you and the DEVILS? I don't recognize the DEVILS. Never did while I was incarcerated in a "satanic cult" and never will.
:) Im just saying the truth.Devils do exist,and in order to understand how a mind works its impossible to understand it,unless we accept this fact.
Do you even know what Satanic Cult stands for,or what it means?
Do you have any idea how people end up having split personality,or how people can do things while not being aware of ever done it?
You ignore the most important fact in mind control the reason you still dont have control of your own mind.
Im sure you read this,but you choose to ignore it as always.And you like doing it :)
Project Monarch
by Ron Patton
Project MONARCH could be best described as a form of structured dissociation and occultic integration, in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a Satanic ritual, usually including Cabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the corresponding alter(s). Of course, most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim. negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs.

Notice how he describes the process,and how he notes that demons are being attached to corresponding alters.And that is exactly what happens.The devils,again being nothing mysterious other than being invisible creatures to us,who are pretty stupid and can be recruited to posses people and take control over them.
Notice the fact how demons are downplayed right after stating that they are used.
People will believe anything before they believe devils exist.



Remember this,for your own good.

Remember what for my own good?
The fact that devils can read our mind,can affect our feelings,can talk to us,only for the ignorant once to think they just went crazy.
This is very important for people to understand,even more so in your case.

You say some very interesting, and true things here in your thread,you seem to be very knowledgeable in certain things,yet you are also very confused on others.

Confused about what and how would you know? Why don't you ENLIGHTEN us all. Remember, I don't need approval from anyone about this thread or what I say regarding my PERSONAL abuse in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and the music industry.
You are confused with many things but so are most people,its what happens when we reject the truth.
You acknowledge the devils but you wont accept the fact that they do exist.You just cant get yourself do do that.
People tend to think thats cool.
Not until people believe in God,will there be justice in this world.
God is the truth,religion is the the truth,unfortunately most people hate the truth.
Religion has been corrupt,and is being attacked,and downplayed,constantly.
And most people are way to happy to play along.
People need to wake up,and think.

Peace BlueAngel,dont hate,but think.
Say;I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

konig19
07-24-2007, 04:39 AM
Is there no admin here?
How come nobody got rid of those sick pictures on page 132?
Homosexuality is disgusting,evil,sick,ugly,degrading,immoral act.Homo pictures just go on to prove it.
I have to say though,I've seen all those exact pictures before, as well the black kid.While playing Counter Strike Source,the online Multiplayer shooting game.I play it a lot when Im bored.
http://cs.mabsoftware.ch/cs_source/gallery/image2.png
that game
In the game anybody can spray a picture on the walls while playing,any picture that is.
Thus kids end up spraying lots of porn pictures.
But than somebody always logs into the server,only to spray most disgusting pictures ever,usually is gay porn,or some sick women pictures.
Scary thing is even 11 year olds play that very game.
Those people though only have one thing in mind though,and that is to expose kids to all kind of sick images and acts.
Those people are possessed,as BluAngel would say in an altered state :)
I seek Refuge in God from satan the rejected.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 05:33 PM
Seriously, Springsteen welcomes his sheeple to the NWO. The NWO that just might get them killed and they follow him blindly.

Remember, BLIND FAITH IN ANYTHING CAN GET YOU KILLED.

From the mouth of a man who welcomes his fans to the NWO.

UNBELIEVABLE, but, nonetheless, TRUE!

konig19
07-25-2007, 06:02 AM
BlueAngel,I posted here only to try and help you understand things better.
You can keep on saying you dont need my advice as much as you want, I dont care,and I dont care if you believe me or not.
But I just wanted you to know some of the things Im saying ,than you can make up your own mind about it all,there are others who read this thread as well.
Dont believe me.
Thats all good.
It dont bother me.

You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..
But what I cant understand is you using the word devil,satan,satanic cult,satan worshipers,,on and on.
You even go on to say this quote;
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist."
Why?Whats the point in saying that?
When you clearly dont believe that they do exist.

The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.
So by using those words in your speech all the time you acknowledge that they do exist.
If I was you I wouldnt use those word than.

I am not into any sect or cult,I reject the devils.
I only Worship God, my Lord,my Creator, Lord of the Universe.
The deal with me and the devils is that I believe,I know that they exist,just like God says that they exist,and warns us about them.
I have nothing to do with Springsteen,gah...
You can be sure Angel Im got nothing to do with people like that,God Forbid.
I dont expect you to take my advice,yes Im anonymous just like you are,and being anonymous has nothing to do what somebody says.It is not the way to judge what somebody is saying.
I dont know if you believe in God or not BlueAngel,I got the impression that you do,yet in some of your responses to me you clearly dont sound like it.
Im not falling into satans hands,if you think I am please let me know why that is, so can take the right actions.
That Ron Patton's article describes how demons are attached to corresponding alters,right.You said you read it but you dont accept it as true.
I do notice that the downplays the demons,as being nothing but a scare tactic,but thats not true.
He is just tricking himself into believing demons dont exist like most people do,even though he described demons as being used in the process.

There wont be justice in this world until people believe,and worship God alone.
Even the Protocols state this fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet those who wrote and follow the Protocols are clearly no believers.
But it is important for them to do everything possible to mislead people away from God.
People need to wake up.

You are right those in satanic cults do believe in devils,but they think they are some kind of advanced creatures who can benefit them,if they serve them.
They think that are the special few who know the unseen,they think they are better than most,and see no problem in doing all the evils things they practice.


When I said what use its knowledge when its all just lies.
You can take that more as a quote than something being said to you directly.
Im not anybody who is trying to protect Springsteen,by calling you a lier.
I dont know if it really is true what you are saying or not,I dont have any evidence to make any conclusions.
But I do trust you that most of the song lyrics are really bad,like you have shown.
And I wouldnt be to surprised if most of what you are saying that has happened to you was true.


I believe in God,I trust God,and I follow God's Guidance,and I thank God for guiding me.
God has explained all the things to us that are important for us to attain salvation.
God is the Truth,God Words are the Truth,and God's Guidance is the best guidance.
When we reject God,turn our backs to God,we reject the truth.
Therefore we can not understand many things in our life,but end up following lies,and opinions.
God says:There is only one Truth,everything else is conjecture and guesswork.Conjecture is no substitute for the truth.
God warns us about the devils,saying:The devils are your most ardent enemy so treat them as such.
Devils are part of Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.
In fact all those religions are one,is just that all have been corrupt.
The Bible,the Torah,and the Quran are all God Scriptures.
We can find truth in all God's Scriptures but need to be aware that people have made up lies(in some scriptures) and attributed them to God.
The Quran being the last,and only Scripture God has promised to protect from any corruption.
It is Guidance for all Mankind,but sadly most people dont follow it,most Muslims dont follow it.
Satan has tricked most Muslims into following man made books,like the so called Sunna instead of the Quran,thus people end up as disbelievers ,confused.
Its satan system to mislead mankind astray,and away from God.
The devil is a Master Hypnotist.

Here I will post some verses from the Quran:
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."
He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]
(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]
"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]
And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity en masse. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Im sorry for making this long,and for copying part of an article from a website,you can find the short article here, http://submission.org/satan/hypnosis1.html also the verses I posted above are from this site.
The devils play a big part the way we sometime think,the way we behave and act,they can even take control of people,and we call that possession.
When we know and understand these things we can understand the world better.


If there is a question I didnt answer you ,let me know.
I didnt quote any of your responses but hopefully you can find an answer to your questions above.
Not expecting you to to believe me and Im not forcing my beliefs upon you or anyone.
All Im doing is pointing out to you that those invisible creatures we call devils do exist and are a big part of mind control,even Ron Patton states this fact only to downplay it right after.
But oh well,nothing surprising there.

I wont post here no more unless I have to,this post is just to clarify things,like what I believe and so on.As well to answer some of your accusations :)

Peace BlueAngel.

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils. And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me." [23:97-98]
Praise be To God,Lord of the Universe!

konig19
07-25-2007, 07:16 PM
Im pretty much done here BlueAngel,there is no point in arguing with people like this.
Was not what I wanted in the first place.
Just wanted to point some things to you,and I did.
You know pretty well what Im saying now,my last reply was pretty detailed about what I wanted to say here.
Now please understand this;It dont matter to me if you believe me or not,it dont matter to me if you take my advice,it dont matter to me if you try or not try to understand what I said.
It dont matter to me if you think Im making no sense.
You dont have to keep saying;why should I trust you,why should I take your advice,why should I believe you,and so on.
I never said that you should.
I hope you understand this,so you dont have to keep defending yourself like Im trying to force my beliefs on you.

True I believe that devils do exist,I know you dont believe that they do exist.So can you now please stop repeating yourself.
I respect your judgment,and I think you should respect mine.

I know what this thread is about,and what Im saying is not off topic here.
Im talking about mind control,you should know this.Im saying that the devils play a big part in mind control,and in my last post explains some of these things.
Like I said many times,it dont bother me if you believe me or not,so please stop saying I do.

I said:
You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..
BlueAngel said;
No. I don't and you shouldn't have a problem with anything I believe or don't believe. It is of no importance to me whether you understand or not.

Like I said I know you dont believe that devils exist,and thats fine with me.You dont have to reply to it,its a statement not a question.
No Importance to you in anything what Im saying?
I see no point in saying that,other than just being mean.
Most what you say you say it in a mean bitchy way, as to make the argument meaningless,to downplay it,and make people feel stupid,unimportant.
There are smarter ways to argue with people.
Im choose not to be mean to you though.


Alright now please explain this,this is what you said:
Why not? It is a "satanic cult." Who do you think they worship? GOD?
That was your response to my question as to why you use all those words (words which describe devils)so much since you dont believe that they exist.
My answer to that is that they worship satan.
But now,I like to know your answer,WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WORSHIP BlueAngel?
Please tell everybody here,make it clear,because it is very confusing what you said there,Thanks.

I said:The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.
Who are we? You may believe there are invisible creatures that YOU call by that name. But, I don't and many others don't either.
Whatever BluAngel,I dont get it how you can spin something very simple.
I ment we the people obviously,and I stated the fact when ever we use those words we refer to the devils and nothing else.
Like you should know I do believe that devils exist,so no need for you to keep saying you may believe blah,blah,blah...I do ,OK.
I know that most people dont believe that they do exist(so I understand that you dont neither),but most people are disbelievers in God,most people hate the truth.
You see I dont care what most people think,I make up my own mind.


I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CULT WORSHIPS SATAN. PERIOD! I have not anywhere in this thread spoken about invisible creatures, etc., you have.
This an example why you confusing to me and I still dont understand where you stand here,you need to be clear.
WHAT IS SATAN IN YOUR OPINION,WHAT SATAN DOES THE CULTS WORSHIP?
You havent spoken about any invisible creatures,right,but you are using words devils,which mean the very same thing.
Here a link to wiki,describing the word devil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil
Again BluAngel when you use words like devils thats what you mean!!!
How hard can this be.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADVICE YOU HAVE OFFERED. AS FAR AS YOU SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, TRY READING MY POSTS AND, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, SO WHAT? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY STILL.

I was saying you dont sound like you do believe in God,yet I read some of your post where you are saying that you do.
Feel free to tell what you really believe in.
Most people dont believe in God,even those who say they do,they really dont.
If you dont believe in God thats your problem not mine.
I do believe in God.



IS THERE SOME REASON YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE I HAVE HAD DEMONS ATTACHED TO ME?

Yes and that is demons can take control over people.
Im not saying you was possessed by demons other than they can posses people,and when they do people have no control of what they are doing but the devils do,and that is how people cant remember of ever doing some things.


Peace.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!!!

konig19
07-25-2007, 07:19 PM
By the way you might want to email an admin to erase those pictures on page 132,after all is your thread.

konig19
07-25-2007, 08:03 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Tell ME, Konig19, why it is that you know for a FACT that the mind controllers, the satanic pigs literally attach invisible demons to their victims?

I have stated my opinion regarding this matter and so, too, has Ron Patton.

Now, tell US why you KNOW anything about this "satanic ritual."


BluAngel its part of our faith,Islam Christianity,and Judaism, to acknowledge the devils.
God warns us about them.
Demons can possess people take control with out any so called mind control programs.
What I know about satanic rituals is the fact that it has been going on for thousands of years.
It has not changed,its all the same,and all the cults are all the same, all worship satan.
Just look at ancient Egypt,Greece,The Aztec and the Mayan Empire,and all the rest.They all worshiped some gods,who were no more than the devils making impressions like they could do something like bring the rain or whatever.
They all practiced magic in some way or an other.
All sacrificed children, people,animals,to so called gods.
And those in cults still do so.
Devils always make people do immoral and evil acts in order for them to do some favors they might have promised.
The devils(Lucifer) are behind the New World Order,that is why so few people can control this world.
People believe lies are easy to deceive,most people are disbelievers,most people hate the truth,the very reason why people have no problem accepting lies.
The Protocols warn those behind NWO to do everything possible to mislead people away from God,it states if people would believe in God than there would be justice.
Thats my quick answer to your question,there are many facts which prove the existence of the devils.
You dont have to agree with me Angel,but it is my answer to your question.
Peace
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:10 PM
konig19 wrote:
By the way you might want to email an admin to erase those pictures on page 132,after all is your thread.

As you are aware, I did not post those pictures. As disgusting as they are, everything serves a purpose.

konig19
07-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Always love the way you quote everything instead of just writing a damn reply.So in order to reply to all what you said I would have to quote everything you said plus include what I said previously which would make a damn long reply.

Im gonna make this short.
Believing that devils exist,does not mean one worships the devils.
Having said that I do not worship the devils.
Im just aware how they operate,and Im also aware of how to protect myself from them.

The word devil,satan,lucifer,demons,all refer to supernatural,invisible creatures.
You can visit wiki here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon to check it for yourself.

Saying the word devil,demon,satan,and thinking it has a different meaning is nonsense,is being delusional.
I still would like your explanation on what do all those cults worship,since the word devils in your mind mean something else other than that,what we call supernatural,invisible.
You never explained yourself on that.
Other than saying I dont worship devils.
Never meant you did.

I never said I dont hold humans responsible for there actions.
Humans are responsible for everything that we do,even if the devil might have enticed us to do something bad.
I wouldnt have a reason to reply if you didnt misquote me all the time,like saying I worship the devils and so on,God Forbid.

peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

konig19
07-25-2007, 11:05 PM
This is God speaking to the mankind.
Its God's words.
Quran
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful

He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."

He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]

(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]

"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]


The Devils are a fact,and are a part of our faith,that is Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.

Again people might want to read this:
How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity in masses. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 12:57 AM
I didn't read this whole thread, as I just joined.

Upon seeing this , from hitting a link , I had to comment. There is a fabulous video called they sold their souls for rock n roll. I seen the 10hr version and it is quite telling of the industry.

Years ago my father tried telling me about it, but as your typical dumb kid, I thought he was goofy.

Dad, as usual, was right about that and quite a few other things as well.

There is no doubt we are and have been in a war between good and evil for a long long time. We won't not be able to stop that which is written , we can only show it to people who are willing to listen.

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 10:03 AM
" How many years ago did your father try telling you about the "corrupt" music industry? What did he know and how did he know it? Did he try to inform you because you had an interest in music?"

ohhhh, late 60's early 70's ! Dad's gone now so I can't ask where he got that. But it was probably "the spotlight". Yes I had an interest in music, not as much now , altho I still enjoy it. It is different after seeing that video.

I suppose what it boils down to is...the mantra like quality , gets you into a suggestible state. We as a people HAVE been brainwashed [ a methodical slow infection of corruption into society , twisting the truth and changing [ suggestible minds ]]...and "they're" not through with us neither!

" What is "that which is written?" Where is it written?"

About "the end times"....the book of Daniel , and the Revelation.

I heard a great audio on this , by Dee Zahner called , "The secret side of history , mystery babylon and the NWO". It included lots of scriptural quotes.

konig19
07-26-2007, 02:26 PM
OK,lets get this straight,gah...you claim "satanic cult's" worships the devils,but than again you dont believe that devils exist.
OK,got it.

I do understand that all cults worship the devils.
I also know that devils exist.
There is a reason why the meaning of the word cult,is hidden knowledge.Those people feel like they know something most people dont.
The truth is most people dont want to know.

Never did I say devils are responsible for anything people do,so you are clearly wrong.
See,if I did believe what you are saying,than I would not post and believe in this verse:

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

It clearly states;people are responsible,the devils have no power over anyone,they simply invite people to believe and trust them.
Therefore people are blamed for there actions,like stated in the verse.We all have the power to make our own decisions,if we follow the devils or not its up to us.

I dont worship the devils, and dont sound like I do.
I dont get it how you come to such conclusion?

Angel,I do not believe in anything,I dont believe in guesses and opinions,but I believe in the truth.And the truth can be verified,my faith is not blind.
I dont trust anyone but God, I follow God's Scriptures,not peoples opinions.
You dont believe in what I believe,most people dont believe in God,so it dont surprise me.
But that does not make my beliefs false,and it isnt,never will be.
I dont want guesses,and opinions,I dont what to loose myself in some wishful thinkings.I want the truth,even if I dislike the truth,I have no choice but to accept it.
God says;We have give you the eyes,brains,and the ears,you are responsible for using them.

I'd say , you must live a paranoid life.
Im not confused,I dont follow,guesses and opinions.
There is only one truth everything else is falsehood(guesses,opinions).

Trust me I wouldnt call you paranoid if you didnt say that to me first.I have no problem discussing things with people intelligently even if I disagree with them.
I dont care what people believe or think,or think about my beliefs,you see facts speak for them self.
peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 05:13 PM
So, Gaz, (another foot soldier; spin doctor of The Boss') if Springsteen could have released 3 more decent albums from the 82-84 recordings without actually stepping foot back in the studio until the 90s, why didn't he?

Remember, Gaz is the poster who said, "whose voice did you think you were hearing? Charleton Heston's?"

This, when I reported on Springsteen's official site that I had embedded instructions not to suicide, after I awoke to memories of my past abuse; how to proceed, etc. and while in an altered state that they coerced, believing Springsteen was the person who rescued me from the cult.

These directions/instructions were embedded into my CORE with the assistance of my Protector's.
THEY WERE NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM instructions implanted by Bruce Springsteen in the past.

konig19
07-26-2007, 06:27 PM
Whether or not I believe in the existence of devils has absolutely nothing to do with what others believe; with what others worship; whether they are a part of the "satanic cult" or not. Whether they believe these entities to be real, to be invisible or not has nothing to do with the fact that I don't acknowledge these entities. Do you think somehow what I believe regarding SATAN/LUCIFER/DEVIL effects what people who are a part of a "satanic cult" worship? I really don't understand why you're having a mental block on this subject. It's not that difficult to comprehend and I've explained it to you over and over and over again.
OK,got it!
Its said though that people can be so confused.
People will call on the evil people as devils,devil worshipers,will always make that connection.
Even Henry Makow on his site, he makes a lot of sense in his articles,he never makes the connection though.He calls upon the evil people as devil worshipers,uses the word a lot to describe the people behind NWO.
But cant understand the fact that there are invisible creatures working behind the scenes.
People think is just few bankers who are in control.NO,not so.The bankers are just satans slaves,they are satans followers,the very reason they dont care about people,but look down on us.Satan made them believe that they are the special few who have the right to do what hey please.
US Politicians,have quoted many times about the Hidden Government,Shadowy Government, Invisible Power,working behind the scenes.
A power so organized that you better not speak above your breath in condemnation of it.
And they are not talking about people.
To bad most people cant understand what they mean though.

Im sure you read that Bjerkins article on Henry's site.
He is somewhat right not,but not quite.
Shabatai Zvi soul has not,and can not transmigrate,he is dead.
He was just following satan,and after his death,it is satan who transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty.Or maybe I should say moved on to his next victims.










Yes, we know. You've made it quite clear that YOU KNOW that DEVILS exist. You're repeating. Those within the "satanic cult" are "sadistic pigs" who hide historic knowledge and the truth about themselves. Whom they worship; they're sexual deviant behavior; their vicitmization of society; their trauma-based torture mind control programs, etc., etc., etc. If you're referring to the fact that they have knowledge about the existence of INVISIBLE DEVILS
"that we don't know about and don't want to know about,"
I really think you're pushing it now.

See thats the problem,you dont want to know about it.Saying I dont believe into something is different than saying I dont want to know about it.Thats all I want to say here.
I know about it and I can see many facts that prove it.
Not to mention it is God who warn us about them.





You sound obsessed with devils.

Im not :) why would I be obsessed?


Here is an example,if you know anything about cults,you'll see that they do very stupid,evil,acts,like torture them self.
They only do so not because they like to torture them self,but to gain satans favors.
Others will torture animals to gain some favors.
Others do all kind of evil acts.
That is the point of sacrifice.
Its to humiliate yourself,and others,to gain favors.That makes people become satans slaves,thus people end up following them,doing all kind of evil,and dont see anything wrong with it.






On the other hand.
God never commands us to do evil,or sacrifice anything.
For example the story of Able and Cane,when they gave offerings,gifts, to God.
God excepted the offering of one but not the other.
Because one of them was not sincere,but was more to say joking.
God says it is not the gifts,or offerings that reach Him,but our goodness.
God is in no need of anything,God absolutely never commands injustice.






You don't believe in anything? That's a shame. You must be empty. If you don't believe in anything how then can you believe in the truth? What truth and how can it be verified?

Did not obviously mean that,to bad you misunderstand many things I say.
I meant I dont believe in just anything people tend to make up.
I believe in the things that are provable,like I said I believe in the truth.



Some reason why you keep insinuating that I don't believe in GOD?
Truly is not hard for me figure out if somebody believes in God or not.Actions speak for them self,its the only way to judge people,not what they say.
And yes, true, I dont obviously know for sure if somebody believes in God or not,only God knows our innermost intentions.





What truth are you searching for?
What a question.
You see Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?
Having said that, I like the truth.










I dont' live a paranoid life. I live a life full of LOVE.
OK,I see,its ok for you to call others paranoid,but you dislike being told that.


You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.
Maybe you like to explain yourself here other than just expect me to believe you, only because you said so?And why should I believe you this?It makes absolutely no sense.



What facts speak for themselves?
Well,the truth speaks for its self,facts are the truth.


peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.[/quote]

konig19
07-26-2007, 06:56 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
By the way, Konig19, you seem to find it astonishing that I claim those within the "satanic cult" worship the Devil/Lucifer/Satan.

I don't know why this confounds you so.

It's not like I'm the only person who has written this.

Search the web.

Inquire of those minds, who write the same, if they believe in the existence of devils.

It ain't BREAKING NEWS!

Even Springsteen admitted to worshipping the DEVIL during one of his induction speeches at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And, it wasn't only himself he was referring to!

I would surmise he is the "Satanic Cult" Leader within the music industry and the reason for the name, "The Boss."

Although, I did tell him more times than can be recollected that he wasn't "The Boss" of me.

He may be THE BOSS of all the others.

But, not ME!

OK,true,you are right,people do use the words satan,devil,demonic,to describe people in cults, etc.,as to say they are following the devils,only not to admit that there is no such things as devils.
To me thats hypocrisy.
Is not that people just state; those in cults say they worship devils,no,they keep calling them the devil worshipers.
W.Bush,wont tell you that he is in a satanic cult,yet everybody will connect him to the devil.
Sad people are bombarded with nonsense from all directions.Its spin Angel.

OK,you say Springsteen admitted that he worships satan.I have to say I didnt know.
I m sure there is a reason he said that.
And umm...if he was the boss,I mean the devil,than obviously he wouldnt say he worships the devil.
Im pretty sure he would come up with a more original name for himself(as his code name),if he meant himself as the devil.Why would he choose the name devil to refer to himself when such name already has a meaning, and so many other claim the same,clamming of being devil worshipers.
This is the only logical conclusion.
He is just the boss of the people(those within his cult),but he is a devil follower,worshiper,he said it.
Peace
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 11:48 PM
" What is the SPOTLIGHT? "

was supposedly the official thorn in the side of D.C.! [ cheers! I support anyone with the gonads to print the truth and ask honest questions. not to mention support the constitution.]

But there was a lawsuit and the spotlight closed down and reorganized and is now the american free press !

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

they still seem to be the only place you can get decent news. IMO , they put mainstream to shame.

dad even gave me a subscription , but I just didn't get it at the time. I wasn't ready. But eventually the truth penetrated my very thick skull , and I began to understand.

konig19
07-27-2007, 11:49 PM
BlueAngel said:
I don't misunderstand. I comment on your written words.
Comment on the meaning of the post ,not words.

BlueAngel said:
Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.
Easy proven,the evidence is everywhere.
Whether looking into ancient history,recent history ,or present.
Our Lord,our Creator, describes them for us well,and warns us about them.
If you dont see any evidence,thats your judgment not mine.

BlueAngel said:You're not suppose to judge people. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I believe in GOD or if you think I'm an atheist.
Yes we are responsible to judge,we are responsible to judge the people as well.
We are responsible to judge if somebody means us harm or others.
Quran:
"When a wicked person brings you some news,investigate first,before you make a wrong judgment than feel sorry right afterwards."

Now to judge if somebody believes in God or not is not that hard,most the time.Simply because people dont follow God's Guidance,even though most will say that they do,but unfortunately there actions speak otherwise.
Ultimately God judges us all,and only God knows our true faith.


Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?
BlueAngel said:
That's your opinion and not mine.

No Angel,its not my opinion it is the truth.
It can not possibly be otherwise.
WHAT IS THERE AFTER THE TRUTH, BUT FALSEHOOD?

BlueAngel said:
You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.
EXPLAIN!
BlueAngel said:
I didn't say anything that needs explanation nor did I say anything that I expected you to believe.

OK,fine Angel,you dont expect me to believe that,and I dont.Why would I?
I mean why would anybody believe that,Why do you believe so?
I do would like an explanation anyway,if you dont mind Angel.Simple question :)

BlueAngel said:
What truth speaks for itself and what facts support this truth? Simple question.

19x3=57 is True,we can prove this.
The fact that we are created is the Truth,we all can prove this to ourself just by thinking about it,we know we didnt create ourself,its the Truth.
The fact that sun and the moon serve life on this planet is the Truth.
The fact that we need watter to survive is the Truth.
The fact that the Universe is much bigger than people used to think is True.
The fact that fire is Hot is true.
I could go on an on.
But the point is,all these things can be easy proved,and can not be disproved,is what makes it the Truth.
We the people are responsible to think and make our own judgment about things,and not blindly follow others opinions.

How many times do most Christen say,Jesus died for our sins.We are expected to believe this?
All we have to do is think a little about it and conclude that it makes absolutely no sense,and therefore it must be false,it is false.
Jesus was a prophet and a messenger from God,he was a human being just like the previous prophets and messengers before him.Its the truth, it makes sense,God's Scriptures testify to this fact,Jesus never claimed of being anything else.

Jews are not the chosen people,the only people deserving Heaven,like most of them claim.
God has blessed the Jews more than any other people.God states this in the Quran.
Still most Jews ended up disbelieving.
God also says to the Jews in the Quran,If you think that you are the chosen people of all the other people,than why dont you wish for death if you are truthful,no they will never wish for it,instead they would love to live thousand of years.

Most Muslims today are also in the wrong,and that be over 90% or more.There is no Islamic Country,or so called Islamic Government.
Islamic teachings are very corrupt only because other books (so called Sunna books) beside the Quran are accepted as part of our faith.
Quran is for all the Mankind,not just Arabs,and Islam is not an Arabic religion.
Christianity,Judaism, is Islam.
All those religion come from Abraham,peace be upon him,he named us Muslims,Submitters in English.
The word Islam in not a name of religion but the description of our religion.
The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God.Muslim, meaning one who submits to God.
"God calls this One religion that He decreed to all previous prophets Islam (Submission).
It is through this overall plan that we should understand the meaning of the phrase (the only religion acceptable to God is Islam). It does not mean that Islam is exclusively the religion of the Quran, nor does it mean that Islam is the religion first brought by Muhammad."
Islam can be translated into any language,thus you can be a Christen and be a Submitter to God(Muslim).
The sad thing is;Is not just that the Christen and the Jews,dont accept the Quran,but neither do most Muslims.Todays teachings of Islam are not based on the Quran.Quran disproves todays Islam.
Muslims do say they do,but actions speak otherwise.
People end up judging Islam by looking at the people instead of our religion.
And where can we find the description of our religion?Obviously in God Scriptures.
The Quran being most detailed,and preserved.

Im telling all this to point out how people are being mislead ,how people will believe anything.Even that which doesnt make absolutely no sense.

The truth is that all these fake satanic religious teachings can easy be disproved.
Truth is not hard to understand though.
God The Almighty,the Creator of the Universe and everything that exist is able to send Scriptures trough His messengers to His creation to guide us (explain things for us) in the right path.Its easy for God to do.




BlueAngel said:
You're saying because George W. Bush doesn't pronounce publicy that he's a part of a "satanic cult," it's just spin. I suppose you also believe that Rome was built in two days.

No Angel I do not believe in lies and in that which makes no sense,dont ever think that I do.So obviously Rome was not built in two days.
If others religious people believe anything,and most do,that dont mean that I do.
My religion is not anything,I dont believe anything.
Our religion is fully detailed.


By : A. Muhammad
It is a mistaken concept among Muslims (and non Muslims alike) that Islam is basically the religion of the Quran and the religion of Muhammad.
God tells in the Quran that Islam (Submission to God) is as old as Abraham (22:78), and that all the practices of Islam were first given to Abraham and his sons long before Muhammad was born.
- God taught Abraham and his sons all the rituals of Islam (Prayer, pilgrimage, Zakat ... etc see 21:73, 22:26-29). This took place long before the time of Muhammad.
2- Muhammad was in fact commanded to follow the religion of Abraham (16:123) .... This is described in the same verse as being Monotheism, which is submission to God without setting any idols besides Him. But God also tells Muhammad in verse 5:48 that within each revelation there are specific laws and rites that are specific to the receivers of this particular revelation. Hence the command is issued in 5:48 that Muhammad should follow the rites given to him in the Quran and NOT the rites of previous people.
"God’s description of the Quran as 'COMPLETE' (6:115), 'FULLY DETAILED' (6:114), that 'NOTHING' has been left out of it (6:38) and that it offers ‘explanations for EVERYTHING’ 16:89."
My religion is not anything,but is fully detailed in the Quran,just like God tells us.


This is a little long,I know.
But please read it,it explains many things,even if you disagree with it.
You asked me about truth,and religion is truth,the reason I talk about it.


You are right Angel,here are people in this thread who obviously are only here to make you look bad,trying make you look like a lier,and who are messing with you.
Got to watch out for shadows.
You might think Im one of those,but trust me Im not,I did not come in here to call you a lier based on what you are saying about the Music Industry.Or what you are saying about Springsteen.
I just wanted to point out to you that there is more to Mind Control than most people think.
Im almost done here though,maybe one more post and thats it.There is no point going in circles,unfortunately is how most arguments end up :)

Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

KennyWally
07-28-2007, 12:49 AM
"The SPOTLIGHT was what? A magazine, a newspaper? It reported on the "corrupt" music industry? How so? What did it say?"

sorry , it was a newspaper! it reported on everything it seen that it thought wasn't right.

and since dad is gone I can't ask him what they said about it. sorry.

If you clik that american free press link , you can see for yourself what they cover, I think there a free issue in pdf you can download.

HothSnake
07-29-2007, 07:21 PM
This is all quite interesting... I couldn't finish it all on one sit down, but I got the gist of it. Bruce Springstein, eh? Somehow, I believe you BlueAngel. This guy has always been a media darling.. Seriously, has there ever been a negative story about the guy? He's made out by the press to be the quintessential American hero (more like god.)

And I'm well aware that the music and entertainment industries are MK-Ultra/CIA playgrounds. Marlyn Monroe had all of the markings of a sex slave. Just watch the Kubrick flick "Eyes Wide Shut," which is an illuminati homage to Monarch slaves. Hell, it starts in the title with the classic double speak used in programming.

Cathy O'Brien mentions Nashville Tennessee and the country music industry as being a hotbed for this type of activity. Much of it was moved to Branson, Missouri and Northern Arkansas in the 80's. I guess that Clinton used to hang out there a lot.

Do you know anything about that area and its current operations, given that I'm from Missouri? I read that a large CIA base located in Lampe, Missouri is where they run the Branson operation. Basically, this region was set up as a massive drug smuggling highway in the early 80's (they love to operate in rural areas, like Nebraska and the Midwest).

Also, you say that you were part of their cult. Did they use familiar spirits, etc. Sell their souls to the devil and that sort of thing? Sort of like the recent movie "Tenacious D" makes a spoof of. What was this cult, besides Satanic?

Also, do you think that Chris Benoit was a Monarch Slave suicide?

konig19
07-29-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.

BlueAngel,had you lived let say 500 hundred years ago before the invention of the microscope you wouldnt believe that bacteria existed either.
And if somebody would tell you,people are getting sick because of little invisible creatures,you would call them insane.
Even scientist at the time of the discovery of bacteria by Antony van Leeuwenhoek around 1700 hundred didnt believe him at first,not until they couldn't deny it,by having see it themself.
Not knowing something,not trying to understand something,does not mean is not there.
Bacteria was always there,in fact its the oldest living organism and yet nobody pretty much believed that bacteria existed until just recently.

There is ample evidence supporting the existence of other creature (beside us), which we can not see,creatures which are working behind the scenes.


It's impossible to see evidence if something is invisible. Again, Lucifer was introduced into the Bible for their EVIL purposes.

Many things in science are invisible,like I told you above,bacteria is invisible and most people didnt believe it existed.Yes I know bacteria is visible to our eyes right now because we can see it with special equipment.
Gravity is invisible,we can not see it,but we believe in it.Its an invisible force,which we can not see .But that does not mean we cant prove it exist.We prove Force of Gravity not by looking at it(because its invisible,cant see it) but by experiments which prove its affect.


Lucifer,the devils,were not introduced as something imaginary to scare people.
But it is God who tells us about them,the Bible is truly God's Book,but unfortunately it is
corrupt,something we all have to be aware of.


Quran:
[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.



If I don't know someone, I don't judge. If I know someone is evil, it is not a judgment. It is fact.
Whatever,it makes no sense Angel. :)
To label somebody an evil person,you have to judge that person on his/her actions.
You dont just say,Oh..what an evil person!,and I know he is,because its a fact.
No, nobody whats to hear that.
What people want to hear is why you think a person is evil,what is it that that person did,so people can make there own judgment about that person.



I don't follow the Quran.

Neither do most so called Muslim follow the Quran,only because they dont want to understand it.
Quran:
[3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.



Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?

Again, for you, there is only one truth. Not for me.

You are deliberately misunderstanding what Im trying to say.
Let me say it again:There is only one truth,everything else is falsehood.
The truth is that God created us and everything that exist.
There is only one truth how life came into being,there is no several truth.

Quran:
[7:54] Your Lord is the one GOD, who created the heavens and the earth in six

days, then assumed all authority*. The night overtakes the day, as it pursues it persistently,

and the sun, the moon, and the stars are committed* to serve by His command. Absolutely,

He controls all creation and all commands. Most Exalted is GOD, Lord of the universe.

[10:3] Your only Lord is GOD; the One who created the heavens and the earth in

six days, then assumed all authority*. He controls all matters. There is no intercessor,

except in accordance with His will. Such is GOD your Lord. You shall worship Him.

Would you not take heed?

[11:7] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His

(earthly) domain was completely covered with water - in order to test you, to distinguish

those among you who work righteousness. Yet, when you say, "You will be resurrected

after death," those who disbelieve would say, "This is clearly witchcraft*."

[27:60] Who is the One who created the heavens and the earth? Who is the

One who sends down to you from the sky water, whereby we produce gardens full of

beauty - you could not possibly manufacture its trees? Is it another god with GOD?

Indeed, they are people who have deviated.

*11:7 The six days are simply a yardstick providing us with a lot of information. Thus, we learn that the vast lifeless physical universe was created in two days, while the tiny mote called "Earth" was created in four days (41:10-12). The provision of food, water,
and oxygen for the earth's inhabitants had to be precisely calculated and arranged.
**11:7 The earth was initially covered with water. Subsequently, the land mass emerged, and the continents drifted apart.



More truth, possibly? Again, it is your opinion that there is only one truth.

Yes,there is only one truth,not an opinion,but the truth :)



I thought you said there was only ONE truth? Seems like you've listed a whole lot more. Really? People are responsible to think and make our own judgments. You're not imparting anything WE don't know as we're not blindly following other's opinions. If that's not obvious to you, I'd say you are blinded.
You are missing the point,when I say there is only one truth.
The fact that 19x3is 57 is the truth,is the one truth,19x3 will never be 56.
The fact that the Earth and the Moon serve life on this planet is the truth.
You can not say we can exist with out either one,because we cant.


This thread isn't about religion/the Quran. This thread is about mind control within the music industry.

You asked me about the truth,God is the Truth.
The truth is:Truth is being pushed aside,most people will follow others opinions rather than the truth.
The truth is people are following corrupt/false,religious teachings.
But most people dont care,most people love it,most people attack corrupted religious beliefs all the time,24/7,in order to prove religion is nothing but a lie.
When in fact those people will never argue intelligently about religion,but will joyfully credit all the evil that people do to religion.

God never commands injustice amongst the people.
Its the TRUTH.



It's a "satanic cult" and it isn't FAKE.

I know it isn't fake,those people have sided with the devils.They worship the devils,even they will tell you,but not all do.Bush wont tell you,for a reason.



You say, my religion is not anything. I don't believe anything, but yet, you say, OUR RELIGION IS FULLY DETAILED. I think you're slipping.
Truly you are slipping woman.
Like I said I dont believe in anything(I know what meaning this has by itself,never said it without explaining the meaning behind it),meaning anything that makes no sense,which is just peoples opinions and guesswork.
Most people tend to believe anything others come up with, without any proof.
I believe in the truth which can be proven ,and which makes all the sense.Truth is not anything,but its the truth.

I have no doubt,I know,that most people are confused,because they follow,and believe in that which is nothing more but wishful thinking.
And most people dont care.


Quran

[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*

[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.

[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.

[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.

[1:6] Guide us in the right path:

[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.

113:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[113:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak.

[113:2] "From the evils among His creations.

[113:3] "From the evils of darkness as it falls.

[113:4] "From the evils of the troublemakers.

[113:5] "From the evils of the envious when they envy."

[114:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[114:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of the people.

[114:2] "The King of the people.

[114:3] "The god of the people.

[114:4] "From the evils of sneaky whisperers.

[114:5] "Who whisper into the chests of the people.

[114:6] "Be they of the jinns, or the people."



O you who believe, you shall embrace total submission; do not follow the steps of Satan, for he is your most ardent enemy. [2:208]

Satan found them readily fulfilling his expectations. They followed him, except a few believers. [34:20]

O you who believe, do not follow the steps of Satan. Anyone who follows the steps of Satan should know that he advocates evil and vice. If it were not for GOD's grace towards you, and His mercy, none of you would have been purified. But GOD purifies whomever He wills. GOD is Hearer, Knower. [24:21]

Satan is real,not only that,but can control,influence, people for his evil cause.

Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe![/quote]

KennyWally
07-31-2007, 10:37 AM
BA,

since I saw no response , I'll assume you missed my comment's
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BA said ;

"The SPOTLIGHT was what? A magazine, a newspaper? It reported on the "corrupt" music industry? How so? What did it say?"



sorry , it was a newspaper! it reported on everything it seen that it thought wasn't right.

and since dad is gone I can't ask him what they said about it. sorry.

If you clik that american free press link , you can see for yourself what they cover, I think there a free issue in pdf you can download.


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and your story/comments reminds me a bit of cathy o'brien

http://www.trance-formation.com/

are you familiar with her and mark ?

if so , do you care to comment?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 05:48 PM
Jersey Shore Music Veteran Terry Magovern dies
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 07/31/07
KELLY-JANE COTTER
MUSIC WRITER

Frank "Terry" Magovern, an influential presence on the Jersey Shore music scene for some 40 years, died Monday.

Note that Springsteen incorporates the names Terry and Frank and/or Frankie in several of his songs.

Magovern, of Rumson, was an early fan and supporter of Bruce Springsteen and many other musicians in Asbury Park's seminal music scene.

In the 1960s and '70s, Magovern managed bars and booked bands in nearby beach towns, including D'Jai's in Belmar, the Riptide in Point Pleasant Beach and the Captain's Garter (later the Headliner) in Neptune. In the early '80s, Magovern managed Big Man's West in Red Bank, a club owned by E Street Band saxophonist Clarence Clemons.

Magovern worked with Springsteen in myriad capacities, on tours and in the studio, but was most often described as a personal assistant to Springsteen. On the liner notes to Springsteen's 1995 album, "The Ghost of Tom Joad," Magovern is credited for research."

But, MadMel said Springsteen did intensive research for this CD regarding illegal immigration. What capacity did Frank serve in the studio and on tours with Springsteen? What were his music credentials?

Magovern also worked with Clarence Clemons during the saxophonist's time with the Red Bank Rockers.

Any musician, reporter or fan who spent time on the Springsteen circuit eventually ran into Magovern, whose imposing physical presence - he was a NAVY veteran - and deep voice belied his kind personality.

"He was a gentle giant," recalled Jimmy Vivino,, guitarist for the Max Weinberg Seven and for the Fab Faux, among many other projects. "He always had the time to help me out and be a friend. He was a confidant. He always had a twinkle in his eye, like he had inside information, but he couldn't tell you."

After the death of his fiancee, Joan Dancy, in 2005, Magovern became an advocate for people suffering from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Dancy died of ALS, and she had asked Magovern to create a support group that would help others in her situation. Magovern founded Joan Dancy and PALS, based at Riverview Medical Center in Red Bank.

Magovern's work with PALS continued until his death. On July 1, he was featured in a story in the Asbury Park Press about $183,000 raised for PALS by Shop-Rite and its customers.

It is not yet known who will serve as Magovern's successor in PALS.

Magovern also was involved with other local charities, including Holiday Express, which brings live music and gifts to needy or isolated people every December, and Light of Day, which supports research into Parkinson's Disease.

Magovern also was involved with Apple Jack Canine Kennels in Maryland, which trained bomb-sniffing dogs for the military. He also developed a program to train dogs for use as companions and protectors of women who have been victims of domestic violence.

Magovern grew up in Belmar, where he attended St. Rose High School.

He was a four-year veteran of the U.S. Navy, completing Special Warfare Training. He specialized in underwater demolition work before being assigned to work with the Mercury space program and the original seven Mercury astronauts.

He is survived by his daughter, Laurie Guinan, and son-in-law, Michael Guinan, both of Eatontown; his son, Sean Magovern, and daughter-in-law, Andrea Magovern, both of Avon; five grandchildren, Michael and Matthew Guinan and Michael, Kyle and Maggie Magovern; and eight siblings, Dennis, Richard, Robert, James, Brian, Mary and Patrick Magovern, and Lee Boydman.

He was predeceased by his parents, Frank and Rosalie Magovern.

Did Springsteen use a derivative of Frank's mother's name Rosalie for his song, "Rosalita?"

A memorial service is scheduled for 2 p.m. Thursday at United Methodist Church of Red Bank, 247 Broad St. Arrangements are by Thompson Memorial Home, 310 Broad St., Red Bank.

Memorial donations can be made to the Joan Dancy & PALS Support Group, Riverview Medical Center, 1 Riverview Plaza, Red Bank, NJ, 07701.

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So, is it just me or do you find it somewhat interesting that this is the second person, so far, in Springsteen's life that was involved with NASA? Remember, Carl "Tinker" West was involved in NASA, as well, and possibly other clandestine operations. There is a third person who was with the Navy, DNA; a poster on Springsteen's site, who mentioned that he has personally known the glorious Mr. Springsteen for 30 plus years.

I also believe Paddy/Patriot has insinuated some connection to NASA.

We know that "high tech" mind control programming and experimentation took place at NASA on children.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:35 PM
Oh, wow! I've been talking lately to my family members about how I feel out of the loop. Just a sayin'. Nothing to it, really.

Anyway, Pamela just commented she feels "out of the loop."

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 08:41 PM
Was Carl "Tinker" West; a rocket scientist; involved in clandestine operations; NASA and Terry "Frank" Magovern; a NAVY veteran, tactical warfare specialty; assigned to the Mercury Space Program; NASA, PROGRAMMERS?

A rocket scientist and a Navy veteran working on the Mercury Space Program involved with Springsteen and other musicians.

Springsteen sings about a Terry and a Frank and/or Frankie.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:13 PM
2Hearts comments that their imaginery pretty, little pussy cat, Figgy wants somebody to pay attention to her.

WOAH!!!

MadMel tells FIGGY to jump into her lap and she'll give her a kitty massage.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:19 PM
Was Carl "Tinker" West; a rocket scientist; involved in clandestine operations; NASA and Terry "Frank" Magovern; a NAVY veteran, tactical warfare specialty; assigned to the Mercury Space Program; NASA, PROGRAMMERS?

A rocket scientist and a Navy veteran working on the Mercury Space Program involved with Springsteen and other musicians.

Springsteen sings about a Terry and a Frank and/or Frankie.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:29 PM
DNA talking to Figgy...

Hey, Figsters, did you know my Yanks hit 8 round-trippers this evening and not one of them by Mister 499? Simply amazing, puddy tat, simply amazing.

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 12:04 PM
Terry Magovern died in his sleep. The cause of death was not immediately known.

He joined Springsteen in 1987 during his Tunnel of Love Tour.

I wonder what role he played?

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:34 AM
A poster on Springsteen's unofficial site asked the question something like, "how much do you love Bruce?" If anything happened to him ala John Lennon, etc.

I will say this and I've said it before.

If anything suspicious happens to Bruce Springsteen, you will know WHY and by WHOM.

The powers that be.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 12:09 PM
You can never trust anyone who speaks out against THEM. They are highly paid dupes. They are most times, used as pawns in their game of chess, by the Banksters/Illuminati to attract the sheep or steer them away from someone or something else.

Ultimately, these "puppets" are used to further the NWO agenda by appearing to be "against them" but truly, instead, "with them."

Whether knowingly or unknowingly under their control.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Funny, isn't it? Before the show, "Don't forget the lyrics" was born, I was talking to my husband about how there should be a 'show' where contestants sing a song without the words being provided, which would capture the "wrong" lyrics that people believe exist in a song.

Lo and behold, my creativity has come to fruition.

You would think I had pitched this IDEA to a television producer!

You know, gifted/talented/creative; good ideas; insightful. Just what they were looking for.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:56 AM
To say you weren't Boston Blackie, Wade, isn't worth anything.

You have no credibility just like the rest of your co-horts from BS.net and BTX.

Now, go find the figment of your imagination. The Cafe's pretty, little pussy cat, Figgy. I'm sure you want her to sit on your lap.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:59 AM
Funny, isn't it?

Vast portrays himself as someone who has never seen a Springsteen show.

Doesn't talk about the man's music.

Stated he doesn't attend concerts because of the cost of tickets.

Not that he can't afford it, cause remember he has a black American Express card and is a self-made millionaire.

Just the principle of the matter for him.

However, when the Springsteen site was being invaded by the so-called Drudge people, he knew every instrument Springsteen plays, posted pictures of his guitars.

Impressive!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 08:03 AM
Maybe Wade has been on this site. Seems he was missing in action for quite some time over at the BS.net and BTX site.

Vast is OUT. Or, so he says. As if anyone cares.

Out of his mind, is more like it.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Remember, VAST was the poster who referred to me as Wendy on the board at Springsteen's official site and told me to take my meds!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 10:06 AM
Iverille, on Springsteen's OFFICIAL site, once commented that Liars?? was back after I had just returned from errands and hadn't posted yet.

How'd they know this?

Anyway, Iverille is now Louie on the unofficial site.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 08:13 AM
So, we've got a rocket scientist, Carl "Tinker" West, also involved in other clandestine operations; a Navy veteran, Nasa connected to the Mercury Space Program, a dog breeder who supplied "bomb dogs" to the military with friends/connections to the PENTAGON, Terry "Frank" Magovern, all CONNECTED TO BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN.

So, what expertise did they bring to the "Musical Industrial Complex?"

Programmers? Mind controllers? Handlers?

Both out of NASA!

Let's not forget Springsteen's connection to Skull and Bonesman, John Kerry, and the "love songs" he dedicated to him at one of his shows.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 01:50 PM
Neoconshung said:

Take two breaths instead of one?
BA, Can't take the laughing, possibly (sic), but I'm to fucken tired to proof read your intentention or my spelling'
]=\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\p=

who gave you the map of correct spontanious explosion, or did you not yet recieve that fucken memo?

Posted on: 2007/8/5 19:51

Neoconshung said:

Re: Who the fuck cares about your insight? #36

Joined: 2007/7/30
Posts: 23

Have you yet aquired?
Do you hope to?

Can you respect others with an alternative view?
Are you working for them?
Can you accomplish all things that you do as rights and not privledges?
You might need solice, find a good fuck, I COULD USE ONE,


WHAT THE FUCK LET'S FUCK EACH OTHERS BRAINS OUT?

Edited by neoconshung on 2007/8/5 20:11:02

Posted on: 2007/8/5 20:06
Joined: 2007/7/30
Posts: 23

Neoconshung said:

yOU DO KNOW HOW TO SATTISFY i HOPE....
yOU DO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT , right?

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 01:58 PM
Neoconshung said:

B itch, We can live together, Who the fuck told you otherwise?

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 10:21 PM
When I first began having memories of my horrendous past and it involved CIA/Mafia pornography, how they work together, it was difficult for me to speak about it without producing a clenched jaw. It was almost as if I had to spit the words through my teeth.

I was seeing a psychologist and I called her to my home so my husband would be present during the recall of this information to her.

Her answer was that I didn't want to face the fact that my parents were responsible solely for my abuse and, therefore, I was blaming the CIA and Mafia.

There was never a time when I wasn't aware that my parents were involved in my abuse, so, naturally, I terminated my relationship with her.

There was a point when the word PEDOPHILE surfaced and I was unable to say this word, as well.

Clenched teeth and having to spit the word out were present.

Many times, this scenario presented itself in front of my children and husband when I was recalling memories.

This, the result of information being tortured out of me. Unable to speak the words because of the associated discomfort when electroshock was being used. All muscles become tight, shaking occurs, teeth and jaw are clenched.

BlueAngel
08-07-2007, 10:43 PM
Watching these people have sexual foreplay with an imaginery pretty, little pussy cat by the name of FIGMENT is quite disgusting.

Wade is rubbing her behind her ears while in his lap and MadMel tells him that she likes it when you stroke her face with both hands.

I wonder what they do to the real pets they have in their house.

2Hearts asked, "Figment, where are you?" as if she's going to get a response.

I suppose they think all the music links they're supplying and the Springsteen chatter is somehow going to attract Figment.

OMG!!!

Frightening!

Even more frightening are the posters who regularly frequent the Political World Cafe, don't involve themselves in this sexually deviant behavior with a kitty cat, but converse non-chalantly as if they're all normal.

BlueAngel
08-07-2007, 10:51 PM
A new poster starts a thread in "The Promised Land."

He states that he is 21 years old.

MovieLady welcomes him and says, "we like 'em young."

BlueAngel
08-09-2007, 08:26 PM
Is there a psychiatrist around cause I'm just wondering.

What is the proper medical term for people who make up the existence of a pretty, little pussy cat by the name of figment, ask it questions, feed it, talk to it, etc.

Would delusional, schizophrenic or deranged be appropriate?

BlueAngel
08-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Most writers write from experience. Without experience, you don't have much to draw from.

In Springsteen's case, he must have a very wild imagination because he seems to portray himself in every capacity imaginable.

That, coupled with hypnosis, make-believe and all the other methods used to get a "mind controlled" artist's creative juices flowing adds to the songwriter's ability.

SPRINGSTEEN said it himself. In the end, you have to look at a song and not know where it came from.

That is total bullsh*t. He doesn't know where many of his songs came from because he was in altered states and perhaps being coached with words/scenarios/drawing from his subconscious, bits and pieces of his past (the reason so many of his songs start out with a theme, it seems, and then drift off) and it is, most probable, THAT HE DOESN'T WRITE MANY OF HIS SONGS.

Like I said, his earlier stuff is COMPLETELY different than some of what he has produced. It could be the result of his many different personalities.

If you sing incessantly about "little girls" and being on the prowl for a wild child it suggests an obsession born from experience.

If you incessantly sing about sexual deviant behavior, it is most likely and in Springsteen's case born from experience.

If you sing incessantly about alcohol, it is most likely and in Springsteen's case born from experience.

However, any poet, lyricist/artist derives from experience and they reflect themselves in their work and Springsteen certainly has shown those who do not follow him with blind faith, what exactly his morals are, if any.

Sure, he's a story-teller to a certain degree, but not a very good one at that, in my opinion. Not only because his characters are usually as immoral as he portrays himself, but because so many of his songs don't make any sense.

Could be one BIG EXPERIMENT using triggers, sexual programming, etc. in his songs, because our minds, from a very young age, are programmed through music and television and can be altered into different states.

His songbook also portrays his sexually deviant behavior and his own inability to trust himself.

redrat11
08-15-2007, 08:39 PM
BlueAngel wrote:


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The "Bruce Springsteen Institute of Mind Control and Brainwashing."

ALL ARE WELCOME.

Sociopaths, psychopaths, mind controllers, handlers, etc., etc., etc.!

Oh, yes, stop by the make-believe Cafe and 2Hearts will buy you the beverage of your choice.

You'll also get to feed and talk about an imaginery pretty, little, pussy cat.

Sounds like you frequent their often, your kind of place hey?

STOP POSTING CRAP FROM THAT MORONIC SITE! this is a conspiracy forum REMEMBER?







Night

BlueAngel
08-16-2007, 09:27 PM
Some of Wade's comments:

- repeated use of sand nigger;

- repeated use of towel head;

- repeated use of motherfucker;

- posted that he had cold-cocked somebody because he was a smug Republican and left him to possibly die.

- said that he realized not everyone was a heavy hitter like him, but that everyone could do their part. That if they were a coach, they should cut a Republican's kid from the team. That if they worked in a restaurant, they should spit in or otherwise tamper with Republican customers' food. That they should key Republicans' cars.

- said that "The only way to really make a difference is to go out and cut open a Republican from throat to balls".

- urging that all Republicans be killed;

- urging that all Muslims be killed;

- urging that every Republican woman be raped until impregnated, then be forced to undergo an abortion.


- repeated threats of physical violence against other posters, this from someone with past convictions for violent crimes.


All from one poster - Wade.

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2Hearts has just told a poster that he/she is so emotionally over the top with her post(s) that she/he should consider taking a break or will get banned.

Unbelieveable!

And, Wade??

redrat11
08-18-2007, 09:55 PM
BA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYO98TX4tdU














Night

redrat11
08-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Your On NOTICE!


Keep up your psychotic shit BA, I've given you plenty of leeway, it's over now!



You have been BANNED over 6 times on this forum. do you want another?


I will say this, I'M not your FUCKEN TORMENTOR! go look for another poster to harass. You keep on fucken insinuating that I'm someone else you CRAZY! now please fuck off and go away before your banned again.

Yours kindly

redrat11
08-18-2007, 10:32 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Your On NOTICE!


Keep up your psychotic shit BA, I've given you plenty of leeway, it's over now!



You have been BANNED over 6 times on this forum. do you want another?


I will say this, I'M not your FUCKEN TORMENTOR! go look for another poster to harass. You keep on fucken insinuating that I'm someone else you CRAZY! now please fuck off and go away before your banned again.

Yours kindly

Hello, RedRat, what's the problem?

I'm on notice about what?

Are you the moderator of this forum?

You're six times figure is inaccurate and it's not really banning, my dear, it's more of a BREAK!!

I'm not harrassing you.

I don't keep on insinuating that you're someone else, either.

You insinuated that you were Bruce Springsteen.


Please go away Psycho, I will never understand your FUCKED mind BA, God knows I've tried, but you have continually crossed the line between HATE and HARRASSMENT, you are a deranged individual, now please JUST KINDLY FUCK OFF! it's one thing to accept your delusions that I'm Bruce whatever, but for you to take it to this level is utter insanity, it's best for you to get the hell out of here! before they toss you aGAIN. :-?

BlueAngel
08-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Questions for "Unholy Bruce" and answers.

Dear "Unholy Bruce,"

So which one was it? $200 straight in? Or $250?

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Dear UB:

Let me ask you this. I am like on the verge of going apeshit, stuck down here in connection with this trial.

But, there are a few bright spots. Today, since I get such crappy cell phone reception (damn you Cingular), I had to kill some time whilst on the phone outside of this strip mall where the Colts Neck post office is located. I later had lunch at the bar at Huddy's Inn.

Anyway, I must admit there was a fairly steady stream of rather attractive woment in their 30s and 40s heading in and out of the establishments there (I believe they may be referred to as MILFs by some). These women must be all over your shit, UB. How do you deal with it?

Your pal,
SL

Lon, my man!

Sorry to hear you're having such a crappy time.

As for how I deal with the hotness of the county MILFs? Let's just say I "think of their pretty faces when I let 'er unwind".

But - if you're talkin' to Patti - you didn't hear that from me (or the Winona Ryder stuff! ).

Barbara
08-21-2007, 10:04 PM
SCHIZOPHRENIA AND PSYCHOSIS

Schizophrenia is not a terribly common disease but it can be a serious and chronic one. Worldwide about 1 percent of the population is diagnosed with schizophrenia, and approximately 1.2% of Americans (3.2 million) have the disorder. About 1.5 million people will be diagnosed with schizophrenia this year around the world. In the United States, this means about 100,000 people will be diagnosed, which translates to 7.2 people per 1,000 or about 21,000 people within a city of 3 million who are likely to be suffering from schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia can affect people throughout the lifespan although new instances of the illness are most likely to occur in early adulthood. It is relatively rare for children and older adults to develop schizophrenia, but it does happen. More commonly the incidence (rate of diagnosis) of new cases of schizophrenia increases in the teen years, reaching a peak of vulnerability between the ages of 16 and 25 years. Men and women show different patterns of susceptibility for developing schizophrenia. Males reach a single peak of vulnerability for developing schizophrenia between the ages of 18 and 25 years. In contrast, female vulnerability peaks twice; first between 25 and 30 years, and then again around 40 years of age.

Course

The full onset of schizophrenia is typically preceded by a gradual 'prodromal' (pre-cursor) period where odd behaviors and experiences, such as anxiety, restlessness and hallucinations begin to occur, but not yet with their fullest force. There may be a gradual loss of reality. Many schizophrenia sufferers describe the onset of odd feelings, thoughts and perceptions a few months before anyone else can see visible evidence of them. It can be quite difficult to recognize schizophrenia during this early prodromal stage, particularly if it is a new diagnosis and has not occurred before for a given patient. Though the schizophrenic person may have been hearing criticizing voices and experiencing delusions for some time, these symptoms may not have been overwhelming or frightening enough to have caused them to break down and act in a bizarre manner. Patients experiencing these symptoms for the first time may be able to hide them for a while, but this becomes more difficult as the psychotic process sets in and their outer actions begin to reflect their inner perceptual distortions.

Schizophrenia is not generally recognized to be occurring until after truly odd and irrational behaviors are expressed during what is called a "psychotic break", or "first break". Though the schizophrenic person's internal experience during psychosis may be terrifying, it is the outward symptoms characteristic of the psychotic break that are noticed by family members and others: changes in self-care, sleeping or eating patterns, weakness, lack of energy, headaches, changes in school or work performance, strange sensations, and confused, strange, or bizarre thinking that gets expressed as bizarre behavior. Keep in mind, however, that the actual break with reality may occur prior to the time that people around the psychotic person have noticed that something is seriously wrong. The symptom-rich period following the psychotic break is sometimes called the 'active-phase' or, alternatively a period of 'florid' psychosis. The term florid means "flowering" and the term is a metaphorical usage denoting that the psychosis is the end result or goal of the schizophrenic illness, just as the bloom is the end result or goal of a flowering plant.

When schizophrenia does occur, it often becomes a chronic condition that continues throughout the remainder of life with varying degrees of intensity. The "first break" may be the last break if the case of schizophrenia is mild and if treatment is administered promptly and continued as directed by a psychiatrist (a medical doctor specializing in mental health issues). More typically, however, the first break leads to a pattern of varying periods of relative recovery (which are termed 'residual' phases) and periods of new active-phase psychosis that continue throughout the remainder of patients' lives.

Barbara
08-21-2007, 10:12 PM
Prognosis and Recovery Factors
CenterSite

Prognosis

There is no known cure for Schizophrenia. Fortunately, there are effective treatments that can reduce symptoms, decrease the likelihood that new episodes of psychosis will occur, shorten the duration of psychotic episodes, and in general, offer the majority of people suffering from schizophrenia the possibility of living more productive and satisfying lives. With the proper medications and supportive counseling, the ability of schizophrenic persons to live and function relatively well in society is excellent. The outlook for these patients is optimistic.

Ten years after initial diagnosis, approximately fifty percent of people diagnosed with schizophrenia are either noted to be completely recovered or improved to the point of being able to function independently. Twenty five percent are improved, but require a strong support network, and an additional fifteen percent remain unimproved and are typically hospitalized. Unfortunately, ten percent of the affected population sees no way out of their pain except through death and ends up committing suicide. Long-term statistics for thirty years after diagnosis are similar to the ten year mark, except that there are even more people who improve to become independent. However, there is also an increase in the number of suicides to fifteen percent. Over time, women appear to have a better chance at sustaining recovery from symptoms than do men.

It is an unfortunate fact that people with schizophrenia attempt suicide more frequently than do people in the general population. This may occur for many reasons, including fears and anxieties associated with psychosis or depression and hopeless feelings that may occur when it is realized that a serious, chronic and life-changing disease has occurred. It is always difficult to predict which people are serious suicide risks, and this is the case for the schizophrenic population as well.

While people in the general population talk about suicide from time to time, professional mental health help should be sought right away for people (schizophrenic or otherwise) who make a habit of discussing suicide, who express any sort of plan to commit suicide, who stockpile pills, tools (rope, razors) or weapons for the purpose of suicide or self-harm, or who act out a suicide or self-harm plan, however half-heartedly. The impulse to suicide is most always a temporary crisis that can be overcome with time and proper care. Given the right treatment, the chance for a reasonably balanced life is good.

Recovery Factors

The key to successful recovery is early diagnosis and treatment. In general, the earlier someone with schizophrenia is diagnosed and stabilized on an appropriate treatment regime, the better their chance of recovery. In light of this tendency, anyone who suspects that they (or someone they know) may have signs and symptoms consistent with schizophrenia should consult with a psychiatrist at their earliest possible convenience.

Multiple factors appear to influence prognosis (disease outcome) in schizophrenia. Family history of schizophrenia is relevant. If no one in the immediate biological family of first degree relatives has schizophrenia or a related condition, that is a good sign. Multiple relatives who share schizophrenia outcomes is a bad sign. Other good signs include good social and professional adjustment prior to the onset of symptoms, and awareness and insight of symptoms as signs of a problem (rather than just reaction to symptoms without insight); patients demonstrating both of these signs may sometimes recover completely.

Chances for recovery are improved if the disease comes on suddenly, as opposed to when it comes on slowly. The older one is at the onset of schizophrenia, the better. If schizophrenia is treated quickly and consistently (see above) with good response to treatment, the prognosis is usually very good. A short amount of time that people suffer with severe symptoms and a lack of symptoms reported during periods between severe psychotic episodes are also good indicators of recovery potential. A personal history or family history of mood disorders may help a person to move through a schizophrenic phase quickly because their primary condition may be some other affliction. Since schizophrenia is a brain disorder, a good outcome is predicted when the brain has a normal structure and function as indicated by a brain scan.

Barbara
08-21-2007, 10:23 PM
About False Memory Syndrome

Dr. John F. Kihlstrom, professor of psychology at Yale University, has suggested the following definition of False Memory Syndrome:

"a condition in which a person's identity and interpersonal relationships are centered around a memory of traumatic experience which is objectively false but in which the person strongly believes. Note that the syndrome is not characterized by false memories as such. We all have memories that are inaccurate. Rather, the syndrome may be diagnosed when the memory is so deeply ingrained that it orients the individual's entire personality and lifestyle, in turn disrupting all sorts of other adaptive behavior.

The analogy to personality disorder is intentional. False Memory Syndrome is especially destructive because the person assiduously avoids confrontation with any evidence that might challenge the memory.

Thus it takes on a life of its own, encapsulated and resistant to correction. The person may become so focused on memory that he or she may be effectively distracted from coping with the real problems in his or her life."

Barbara
08-21-2007, 10:32 PM
Section 1: What is Satanic Ritual Abuse?

More and more people -- mostly women -- are being treated for "Ritual Satanic Abuse" (or what has later become the more reasonable-sounding "Ritual Sexual Abuse.") This abuse is usually "discovered" while a woman is undergoing treatment for an eating disorder or chronic depression. It is always "discovered" by therapists who are fundamentalist Christians who believe in a so-called "World-wide Satanic conspiracy" where hundreds of thousands of people around the world engage in ritual murder for the Christian "Satan" god, often eating their victims to destroy the evidence.

Several books have been written about this genre of belief since it has a solid historic precedent. The claims that "Satanic Ritual Abuse" encompasses are equal to claims made in the decades and centuries past for so-called "outgroups" -- groups of individuals which may or may not even exist. Examples of special note are Jews, Gypsies, and the "Illuminati." Every believer has been utterly convinced they've got first-hand knowledge of the conspiracies and actions of these evil groups. Many honestly believe they've suffered under the hands of such outgroups and have been suppressing the memories of such abuse. (See these web pages folders for details concerning False Memory Syndrome.)

Here's where Fundamentalist therapists come in. Over the last three decades the United States has seen the rising phenomena of believers in SRA. So many outrageous claims were made without a shred of evidence to support them that government agencies have been prompted to perform investigations into the allegations and have produced research reports which indicate that SRA is an urban legend. (Ask Fredric Rice for the FBI's report on cult activities in the United States.)

Still the believers continue to believe, merely expanding the conspiracy to include the government agencies (such as the FBI) which find the allegations to be nonsense. Since no one can find any evidence to back-up their beliefs, they seek to manufacture evidence. Therapists who believe honestly enough are implanting false memories into their patients and, since the patient experience strong emotional responses to the suggestive leading therapists employ, they too start believing.

The infamous and most expensive court case in America's history was the McMartin Preschool fiasco. In that case there were allegations of "Satanic Ritual Abuse" levied against the McMartins even though no evidence for any abuse was ever found, leave alone abuse of a violent nature. In that case a mother who believed in the Christian "Satan" god and in the "World-wide Satanic Conspiracy" honestly thought her son had been ritually abuse by the McMartins and she found therapists, other parents, and lawyers who were willing to perpetuate the unfounded beliefs. (HBO even created a pseudo-docudrama depicting the McMartins, with the movie ending with the McMartins caught in the act performing "Satanic" rituals with children. Naturally HBO didn't name the McMartins by name yet the story line was a cut-and-paste from the media depiction's before the trials.)

Many SRA allegations where made about the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas. Janet Reno is a firm believer in SRA and honestly thought that the Branch Davidians were ritually abusing children in their compound. Even though Child Protective Services had investigated the Davidians and their children routinely due to allegations made by ex-Davidians, Reno widened her SRA conspiracy beliefs to include CPS and dismissed the findings which denied the abuse. Later allegations of illegal weapons and drug manufacturing laboratories were made to try to make the public believe the attack on the Davidians was justified. If Reno didn't honestly believe in SRA, the Davidians would quite probably have been left alone -- as most cults are.

The victims are the patients who are on the receiving end of false memory implantation as well as the families which are destroyed to their core by the process which develops. Usually a daughter starts off by being told her father raped her ritualistically. Her eating disorder or chronic depression are said to be caused by the repression of those memories.

Under the guidance of the Fundamentalist therapist, the patient is led to broaden the scope of the "repressed memories." After the patient starts to honestly believe her father had raped her, she is led to believe that her father brought in others to his house to also rape her. When that belief is firmly implanted, the patient is invited to "visualize" the activities and "make them real." Only by "making these memories real" can the healing process begin.

The implanted memories become ever more bizarre and outrageous.

Even though most patients end up believing memories of being cut, beaten, broken, or forced to give birth to babies (which are then murdered) they find bizarre and outrageous excuses as to why there are no scars on their bodies and why examinations find many who claimed to have given birth a dozen times still have their hymen intact. They are told by their therapist that repressing memories also cause the scars to disappear and that repressing memories of having given birth will cause their physical virginity to "return." They are told of "Body Memories" which are used to pretend that the every-day aches, pains, and itching of life are the results of "Satanic" abuse. Thus every time a believer experiences a headache they acquire vindication of their beliefs.

You can imagine what this does to the family of the patient. In most cases the patient is told to break off all contact with the other members of the family (otherwise the lies the therapist has implanted will be discovered) and to "grow empowered" enough to eventually confront the family, accusing them of what the patient now firmly believes actually happened.

Anyone who suggests that the person is mistaken or that the therapist is engaged in a secret agenda is called a "perp" so that the voice of reason can be dismissed on the grounds that anyone who calls for a sane, rational examination is in on the conspiracy to suppress the truth. SRA self-support groups have formed around the United States and they are places where believers -- every one of them patients of therapists -- get together and vindicate each other's beliefs. Any so-called "invalidating" talk is not permitted and anyone who suggests the memories are implanted are ejected from the group.

All of this happens as the result of the religious beliefs of the therapist. No evidence has ever been found and the aspects of implanting false memories are becoming better understood. So much so in fact that the patients who bother to investigate the validity of the beliefs so implanted in them always find that the therapist has been lying to them -- however good their intentions. Because of the growing awareness, many victims of false memory implantation are starting to sue their previous therapists -- and every one of them have won. There is no defense for the deliberate implanting of memories. While it is true that often the implantation is not malicious, it is still inexcusable to manipulate innocent people to vindicate one's religious beliefs.

Barbara
08-21-2007, 10:49 PM
When Memory Has a Mind of It's Own
Submitted by on Tue, 2007-04-17 11:07.

* Biology 202

Our understanding of memory is one of the things that make us intrinsically human. Many organisms have memory processes, they learn, they adapt o their surroundings, but humans have the ability to change those functions, to control them. We can choose what we learn and what we don't, we can memorize information and in certain cases force ourselves to omit things from our memory. Our lives are completely based around this function - adults work in a job doing things they have learned to do, children learn in school about things from our past, stories of our past are passed down from generation to generation by memories. Even the basic processes of our bodies utilize systems that have their own type of memory - our bodies, even down to the smallest molecules, "know" what their purpose is (2). This stasis enables us to function at the high level that we do - all parts of the body working together to produce a living, breathing, functioning, and above all remembering organism. Our memory grounds each and every one of us, makes us unique. Every person has different experiences that make their self. It seems that in this sense our selves are dictated by what surrounds us, what inputs come in and how those inputs are automatically dealt with. The problem, it seems, is when the reality of memory can be altered, when memory seems to have a mind of its own.

On a basic level, the biology of memory begins with three separate processes. The first process, encoding, deals with the processing of visual, acoustic, and semantic inputs. Second, in the storage process, the brain takes this information and creates permanent or semi-permanent records of the encoded inputs. This is called the consolidation process and occurs when inputs are received and connections in the brain between neurons, called synapses, are strengthened. The final process, retrieval, refers to the process by which an organism can recall these stored memories either consciously or subconsciously when needed. In addition, there are two different of memory: short term and long term. Short-term memory occurs immediately after the input signals are received. These signals are stored only temporary in the hippocampus, and there for this type of information can only be stored for a short amount of time (7,1). The hippocampus then consolidates certain memories into long-term memories through a process called long-term potentiation (2). However, long-term memories are not stored in the hippocampus but in various parts of the brain depending on exactly what type of memory it is (7,2). Generally speaking there are two types of long-term memories that the brain deals with: explicit and implicit. An explicit memory involves a conscious recollection of a specific event at a specific point and place in time, and knowing that we know these things. Implicit memory deals with unconscious processes, such as learning or subtle details in experiences that you do not pick up on consciously (2).

But it is not always this simple: when memory mixes with fear the boundaries of control and reality blur. The memory consolidation process can be enhanced or limited by many factors. When the body is undergoing a stress reaction, hormones such as epinephrines, adrenaline, are released into the body which trigger the release of more stress hormones, also stimulating the amygdala which has access to many of the parts of the brain that facilitate memory (6). Fear instigates this stress reaction very well. When a person has a strong fear memory, it is usually hard to overcome that fear because it is so strongly engrained in the mind, especially if the incident occurred at childhood when the brain is still developing. The fear response itself is a neural pathway where visual inputs are transmitted through the thalamus and amygdala which allow the brain to make immediate "fight or flight" responses to the situation, and then other, more long-lasting inputs are being sent from the visual cortex to other parts of the brain that analyze, interpret, and store the information that is coming in (5). The brain is linking the sensory and auditory systems to the autonomic nervous system without any conscious knowledge. The brain is controlling how a person remembers something, and therefore controls their reality, all without the participation of the I-function.

Interestingly enough, this idea of extreme memory enhancement when pushed to the extreme can have the exact opposite effect: the brain actually represses memories. As mentioned before, when the brain processes experiences it creates both implicit and explicit memories. In cases with extreme emotional input, such as sexual abuse in children, some researchers believe that the brain can actually repress the ability to form explicit memories in an act of self-preservation in a dangerous environment (2). However, this does not include implicit memory - the mind can still process an experience and store it in long-term potentiation without the knowledge of the I-function. However, these memories are not completely behind locked doors. Since implicit memory often deals with sensory details of situations that the conscious mind passes over, exposure to any of these same inputs can cause such repressed memories to be restored into the explicit memory. For example, in a case of a person who repressed memory about being abused as a child, the memory returned years later when a friend jokingly placed their hands around the person's neck, immediately reinstating the memory of the long forgotten incident (4). This issue is under extreme debate and has come to be a large problem in recent decades is sexual harassment cases. Once the topic of repressed memories began being studies and treated as a legitimate form of testimony, similar cases being springing up all over the place. When people knew realized that perhaps they too could have long repressed memories, the problem arose that more and more people began tricking themselves into believing they had had an experience, repressed it, and then rediscovered it (4). If you believe something strongly enough, a memory can go from explicit to implicit and seem as real as any real memory one has. Neurologically, such a false memory and a genuine memory may look exactly the same at the neural level, so where is the distinction? Where is the line between reality and falsity?

When questioning who has control of our memory, the initial response is simple: we do. Our brains are our brains and we control them. If only it were so easy. As you delve further and further into the intricacies of memory, it gets more difficult to separate exactly what is making the executive decisions. An individual can control their explicit memories, but have no control of their implicit memories. They could control perhaps certain emotions they experience, but they cannot control any that are tied to autonomic nervous system responses. Once a memory has been consolidated, the brain has the ability to repress it, retrieve it, switch it from being implicit to explicit, or even create a memory that never existed. If nine different people are in a single room and frightened with a venomous snake, one can guarantee that they will all have completely unique experiences: one may have no fear response, one may have a fear response and create a stronger memory of the scene, one may be so traumatized that the memory is immediately repressed. Whose experience is more real? Who is experiencing the ultimate reality of the snake? What is controlling all of these unique responses? It seems that the brain is hardwired to do these things for us, without giving any clue to the I-function. The self is determined by forces it can't consciously control. Our memory has a mind of its own.

Barbara
08-21-2007, 11:15 PM
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder: What It Is and How to Treat It

What is obsessive-compulsive disorder?

Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is an illness that causes people to have unwanted thoughts (obsessions) and to repeat certain behaviors (compulsions) over and over again. We all have habits and routines in our daily lives, such as brushing our teeth before bed. However, for people with OCD, patterns of behavior get in the way of their daily lives.

Most people with OCD know that their obsessions and compulsions make no sense, but they can't ignore or stop them.

What are obsessions?
Obsessions are ideas, images and impulses that run through the person's mind over and over again. A person with OCD doesn't want to have these thoughts and finds them disturbing, but he or she can't control them. Sometimes these thoughts just come once in a while and are only mildly annoying. Other times, a person who has OCD will have obsessive thoughts all the time.

What are compulsions?
Obsessive thoughts make people who have OCD feel nervous and afraid. They try to get rid of these feelings by performing certain behaviors according to "rules" that they make up for themselves. These behaviors are called compulsions. (Compulsive behaviors are sometimes also called rituals.) For example, a person who has OCD may have obsessive thoughts about germs. Because of these thoughts, the person may wash his or her hands repeatedly after using a public toilet. Performing these behaviors usually only makes the nervous feelings go away for a short time. When the fear and nervousness return, the person who has OCD repeats the routine all over again.

What are some common obsessions?
The following are some common obsessions:

* Fear of dirt or germs
* Disgust with bodily waste or fluids
* Concern with order, symmetry (balance) and exactness
* Worry that a task has been done poorly, even when the person knows this is not true
* Fear of thinking evil or sinful thoughts
* Thinking about certain sounds, images, words or numbers all the time
* Need for constant reassurance
* Fear of harming a family member or friend

What are some common compulsions?
The following are some common compulsions:

* Cleaning and grooming, such as washing hands, showering or brushing teeth over and over again
* Checking drawers, door locks and appliances to be sure they are shut, locked or turned off
* Repeating, such as going in and out of a door, sitting down and getting up from a chair, or touching certain objects several times
* Ordering and arranging items in certain ways
* Counting over and over to a certain number
* Saving newspapers, mail or containers when they are no longer needed
***** Seeking constant reassurance and approval

How common is OCD?

For many years, OCD was thought to be rare. Some recent studies show that as many as 3 million Americans ages 18 to 54 may have OCD at any one time. This is about 2.3% of the people in this age group. OCD affects men and women equally.

What causes OCD?
No one has found a single, proven cause for OCD. Some research shows that it may have to do with chemicals in the brain that carry messages from one nerve cell to another. One of these chemicals, called serotonin (say "seer-oh-tone-in"), helps to keep people from repeating the same behaviors over and over again. A person who has OCD may not have enough serotonin. Many people who have OCD can function better when they take medicines that increase the amount of serotonin in their brain.

Are other illnesses associated with OCD?
People who have OCD often have other kinds of anxiety, like phobias (such as fear of spiders or fear of flying) or panic attacks.

People who have OCD also may have depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), an eating disorder or a learning disorder such as dyslexia.

Having one or more of these disorders can make diagnosis and treatment more difficult, so it's important to talk to your doctor about any symptoms you have, even if you're embarrassed.

How is OCD treated?
Several medicines are available to treat OCD. These medicines include: clomipramine (brand name: Anafranil), fluoxetine (brand name: Prozac), sertraline (brand name: Zoloft), paroxetine (brand name: Paxil) and fluvoxamine (brand name: Luvox). These drugs can cause side effects such as dry mouth, nausea and drowsiness. Sometimes they also affect a person's sexual performance. It may be several weeks before you see an improvement in your behavior.

Under the guidance of a trained therapist, behavioral therapy can also be used to treat OCD. In behavioral therapy, people face situations that cause or trigger their obsessions and anxiety. Then they are encouraged not to perform the rituals that usually help control their nervous feelings. For example, a person who is obsessed with germs might be encouraged to use a public toilet without washing his or her hands more than once. To use this method, a person who has OCD must be able to tolerate the high levels of anxiety that can result from the experience.

BlueAngel
08-24-2007, 01:08 PM
This answer is a response from "Unholy Bruce" when asked about his infatuation with Winona:

"Unholy Bruce" said:

As I said, why don't you ask the other 10 million guys who wanna bone her?

Noni also talks a lot about me in the press (including calling me sexy ) and is very flirty with me whenever I see her.

Now, if Patti would just stop pussy-blocking...

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redrat11
08-26-2007, 03:29 PM
You have over 1800 post's, You post too much.

George_Bush
09-21-2007, 11:07 AM
What about Carrie Underwood?

http://coloradoright.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/carrie1.jpg

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/CarrieUnderwood_350.jpg

JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL (http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/audio/song/jesus_take_the_wheel.mp3)

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 09:24 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Lord, have Mercy!

You can say that again!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/01/03/p1_underwood.jpg
http://www.smileyworld.com/greetings/images/greet_love_smiley.jpg
http://www.annescancer.ca/images/j0257718.gif

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 11:08 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
My comment, "Lord, have Mercy!" was not made in response to any comment that George_Bush made on this thread and/or pictures that he posted.

Fine! Be that way! I'm just trying to get to the bottom of a tense situation!

http://blog.meevee.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/carrieunderwoodvanityfair_4.jpg

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 11:22 AM
I mean I'm new to this stuff. I'm just a regular, law-abiding, tax-paying (when I have a job) citizen.

I've heard people say stuff about music industry and Illuminati.

But Carrie Underwood?

She's cute! I love her!

And I'd just like to say that it's not because of the 'genre' she sings, or her American Idol fame, or even her entertainment value with me. I'm not 'Starstruck', ok.

It's her looks and her body that draw me to her.

http://noted.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/carrieunderwood.jpg

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 11:30 AM
And I also love her because she helps children.

Carrie...I'll stand by you too! :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xstLRWHgD2Q

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 11:45 AM
Ok...so like...what about Polyphonic Spree?

LIGHT AND DAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQAvflPexng&mode=related&search=)

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 11:49 AM
And what aboot 5th Dimension, man?!!

DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONF0zJz2Oo&mode=related&search=)

I mean, that's SOOO Star Trek, man!

They're like floating on some hoverpod or something....they're just floating out in the steller regions and stuff, man!

I mean it's like....every cloud has a silver lining, man!!!

Yeah...it's like the Moon in someone's House and Leo aligned with Martians...and Peace, man!

I mean the VIBES man! The (((((VIBES))))!!!

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 01:41 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Apparently, this site doesn't know when Springsteen's birthday is.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/22/who-would-you-rather/

OK THAT DOES IT! YOU'VE CROSSED THE LINE ONCE TOO MANY TIMES!!!

HE IS THE BOSS!!

AND BESIDES, NOBODY'S EVEN LISTENED TO SPRINGSTEEN SINCE 437 B.C.!

I MEAN....HONESTLY!!....WHAT EGYPTIAN PYRAMID DID THE ILLUMINATI DIG HIM UP FROM!!! HE WAS OLD WHEN HE WAS YOUNG!!!

NOW STOP THIS MADNESS!!! YOU'RE SPRINGSTEEN OBSESSION HAS TO STOP!!!

George_Bush
09-22-2007, 02:01 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I wonder why they don't have the correct birthday for a world renowned hero!

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHRRRRRRGGG!

GREAT SCOT!

Sept. 23 is my Birthday too!

I cannot believe this! I share a Birthday with the BOSS!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ME!

Well, then...I guess IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE BOSS ROCK MAN!!!

Bruce Springsteen-Born In The U.S.A.! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk&mode=related&search=)

Just look at that guy :-D Even '85 he was a living fossil.

Yeah, ROCK ON '85!

TemplarGR
09-28-2007, 09:04 AM
This topic is really hard to follow...

I couldnt read all these posts, but, my opinion in general, is that music is a form of language, that can penetrate deep in the mind of every person. So it is easy to promote your message hidden inside music. It is obvious that satanists and Atheists promote their ideas via music, it is nothing new.

George_Bush
10-01-2007, 01:21 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Is there anything worse than a "satanist," such as Bruce Springsteen, pretending to be a Christian?

Is there anything worse than a devilworshipper like you pretending like you care whether or not Bruce Springsteen is a satanist pretending to be a Christian?

No, there isn't.

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 01:11 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

I mean, over at the Huffington Post there are four whole pages....

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 08:58 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Santa Ana
Bruce Springsteen

From the tin rooftop the little boy did watch
The procession down through town
Through the museum where Daniel whupped the DEVIL
With them boys from the underground
Where the Giants of Science fight for tight control
Over the wildlands of New Mexico
Sam Houston's ghost's in Texas fighting for his soul
And the townsfolk rest uneasy beneath the guns of Kid Cole
And the kid says: "Hey, where's Santa Ana
He who could romance the dumb into talking
Take a chance with me tonight, my contessa,
If it don't work out I ain't lame, I can walk"
Now some folks think cancer's taken to the streets of this town
But Sandy eats her candy and then lays her money down
Them cats are in from the canyons to strut their stuff in town
But there's only secret sinners here
Lord, there's only secret thieves
Only a fool would try to save
What the desert chose to leave
And hey there seˇčorita,
With your playboys in their Spanish bandanas
French cream won't soften those boots, baby
French kisses will not break your heart

Oh painted night set free with light
Glows outside the Rainbow Saloon
Matching braces with a Spanish lady
'Neath a graduation moon
No more colleges, no more coronations
Some punk's idea of a teenage nation
Has forced Santa Ana to change his station
From soldier to cartoon
And the Giants of Science spend their days and nights
Not with wives, not with lovers, but searchin' for the lights
They spotted in the desert on their helicopter flights
Just to be lost in the dust and the night
Hey my Contessa, in your juke joint rags you always bring candy for the kids
Come waltz with me tonight senorita
Cuz only *fools* are alone on a night like this!

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MY RESPONSE.

HUH???

*gulp* Uuh...what? :-o

It's like a ghost story...it's like a cowboy ghost story...it's scary! It's like....it's like...

GHOST RIDERS IN THE SKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2M-s2HEC8)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 10:51 AM
I would say that this Springsteen track is a little bit 'Walkeresche'..you know..

The Eyes of the Ranger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDP9q-i5f_w)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 10:55 AM
It's also a bit evocative of early proto-Americana era Lone Rangerness.

The Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjQPxtMv3vY)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 10:58 AM
In Springsteen's artistic overtones, the critic may also be able to discover nuggetory thematic overtones of middle to late Bon Jovi era videos...

BLAZE OF GLORY!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upenR6n7xWY)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 11:06 AM
There does seem to be a pattern also of the King of the Wild Frontier himself, Coloniel David Crockett and perhaps even something of his gun Betsy and some Texas Revolutionness and Almoish immigration control overtures..

King of the Wild Frontier
http://mail.plano88.kendall.k12.il.us/pms/fifties/graphics/davy-crockett.jpg
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xf-BNkLWUE)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 11:15 AM
John Wayne talks about The Alamo
http://videodetective.com/photos/024/001011_2.jpg
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdki9fGsR0E)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 11:30 AM
Bruce might be also discussing some Desperado stuff.

DESPERADO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQR6ghC-jPE)

George_Bush
10-24-2007, 12:03 PM
"Matching braces with a Spanish lady."

Yes, I think the imagry is starting to become clear. It's subtle, but Springsteen is a master of the making the dramatic point.

Dueling Braces (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsO4ukVjIzw)

Spanish Lady
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dorset/content/images/2006/05/03/spanishlady_301x400.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOyPLSVam4)

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 10:14 AM
I fail to see how Mary's Place is violent in any way. It sounds like a love song to dance to at harvest moon. Very nice overtones, although I do not happen to be a practising Buddhist.

"Mary's Place" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21fRod4H30w)

I got seven pictures of Buddha
The prophet's on my tongue
Eleven angels of mercy
Sighin' over that black hole in the sun
My heart's dark but it's risin'
I'm pullin' all the faith I can see
From that black hole on the horizon
I hear your voice calling me

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do we get this thing started
Meet me at Mary's place

Familiar faces around me
Laughter fills the air
Your loving grace surrounds me
Everybody's here
Furniture's out on the front porch
Music's up loud
I dream of you in my arms
I lose myself in the crowd

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do you live broken-hearted
Meet me at Mary's place

I got a picture of you in my locket
I keep it close to my heart
A light shining in my breast
Leading me through the dark
Seven days, seven candles
In my window light your way
Your favorite record's on the turntable
I drop the needle and pray
Band's countin' out midnight
Floor's rumblin' loud
Singer's callin' up daylight
And waitin' for that shout from the crowd
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd
Waitin' for that shout from the crowd

Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up
Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up, turn it up

Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party
Tell me how do we get this thing started
Meet me at Mary's place

Meet me at Mary's place
Meet me at Mary's place

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 10:47 AM
I suppose the Boss might drop a few suggestive lyrics in every now and again.

For example, one questions the meaning of Brilliant Disguise.

[quote]BRILLIANT DISGUISE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx0E6EbpSn0)

I hold you in my arms as the band plays
What are those words whispered baby just as you turn away

[Yes, what ARE those words?]

I saw you last night out on the edge of town

[What exactly was he doing on the edge of town at such a late hour?]

I wanna read your mind and know just what Ive got in this new thing Ive found

[Why exactly does he want to read the subject's mind? Are we so coy as to believe that the Boss wants to be clairvoyant?]

So tell me what I see when I look in your eyes
Is that you baby or just a brilliant disguise

[Is the Boss creating an alter ego out of the 'baby'? And speaking of 'baby', I believe Patrick Swayzy said, 'Nobody puts Baby in a corner,' in the film Dirty Dancing. Is there a connection? Is the Boss talking about Jennifer Grey? Jennifer Grey was in Ferris Bueler's Day Off.]

I heard somebody call your name from underneath our willow

[How does someone call from underneath a willow unless they are BURIED under the Willow? Has the Boss BURIED someone that only 'baby' knows about?

Is it a zombie now that has come back to life?]

I saw something tucked in shame underneath your pillow

[Why was it 'tucked in shame'? What was 'something'. People usually place a newly pulled tooth under a pillow and at night the tooth fairly comes and puts some money in it's place. Is 'baby' ashamed of believing in the tooth fairy?]

Well Ive tried so hard baby but I just cant see
What a woman like you is doing with me

[I can't see it either, but appanently it's an ongoing situation]

So tell me what I see when I look in your eyes
Is that you baby or just a brilliant disguise

[And that really is the question, is it not? IS it you, baby? Or is it just a brilliant disguise?]

Now look at me baby struggling to do everything right
And then it all falls apart when out go the lights

[Why does it all fall apart when the lights go out? Is the Boss a wife beater?]

Im just a lonely pilgrim I walk this world in wealth
I want to know if its you I dont trust cause I damn sure dont trust
Myself

Now you play the loving woman Ill play the faithful man

[So the Boss is admiting to infidelity on his spouse?]

But just dont look too close into the palm of my hand

[Why? Just what exactly is in the palm of his hand?]

We stood at the alter the gypsy swore our future was right

[Did they engage in pagan ritual?]

But come the wee wee hours maybe baby the gypsy lied

[Well...YEEEAH! Of course the gypsy lied! GYPSY'S ALWAYS LIE! THEIR A WHOLE RACE OF LIARS! THAT'S WHY THEIR CALLED GYPSIES, BRUCE!]

So when you look at me you better look hard and look twice
Is that me baby or just a brilliant disguise

[Is the Boss talking to himself in the mirror?]

Tonight our bed is cold
Im lost in the darkness of our love
God have mercy on the man
Who doubts what hes sure of

[Indeed]

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 11:12 AM
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George_Bush
10-25-2007, 11:22 AM
EIGHT MORE DAYS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFOYtslbC4)

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 11:39 AM
Now this is intriging. Notice that Brilliant Disguise seems to be set in the time frame of midnight on new year's eve.


ALSO, the 'don't put baby in a corner' scene in Dirty Dancing is set at midnight on new year's eve!

Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vciEDI3dD8I)

I think that it is highly probable that Springsteen may have been watching Dirty Dancing while composing Brilliant Disguise.

This stands to reason also inasmuch as both Brilliant Disguise AND Dirty Dancing came out in 1987.

The Time of My Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLWzZoDmhg)

Now, interestingly enough, this was also the first year that I was awarded the game ball for my pitching performance.

1987 was also the first year AFTER Halley's Comet passed close by the earth.

P.S. Notice in the Dirty Dancing final scene around 2:15 - 4:00.

Notice how Swayzy 'leaps' off stage.

Notice how he turns his head around and spaszes out on the floor.

Then notice how the 'whole' group of 'dancer's' starts 'dancing' in step with him.

Notice how Chauvanistic he seems to be...

George_Bush
10-26-2007, 09:09 AM
Actually, Einstein received an F in 7th grade math.

At times, he got so board with his schoolwork he stopped doing it and consequently failed math. Einstein's mathematics professor, Hermann Minkowski, got so angered with Albert's lack of interest in the class; he called Einstein a "lazy dog." From the time he was very young till his death, he would only study what he wanted to. When Einstein was in college, he often got upset because the Physics Professors only covered the "Old Physics" and Einstein wanted to learn about the "New Physics."

Einstein's life after college was nothing to brag about either. He passed his math and physics examinations with flying colors but could not find a job.

I relate to Einstein in this regard. It is not simply that many students think school is boring because it involves work. Rather, it is that school ACTUALLY IS BORING!

Public education is horrible because public education always sets the bar at the lowest common denominator. This is so that stupid kids will be able to pass the tests and feel that they are 'equal' to everyone else. But they aren't.

This phenomenon is especially true in higher education. University is a total farse, a most cruel hoax. I once sucessfully convinced a university math professor (PH.D.) that Venn Diagrams were a logical impossibility. Seriously, she bought it hook, line, and sinker! I wish I were simply making this up, but it is true. And I wasn't even a math major, I was in the LIBERAL ARTS!

I hated school with a passion because it was unfair. I could have been in college when I was 15 years old and pass every subject with As. But no! Alas, I was from a 'broken' 'poor' family, 'broken' and 'poor' from an ongoing 'Silent War' by so-called 'elites'.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, ALL UNIVERSITY'S ARE MADE UP OF PROFESSORS WHO ARE THE MOST GULLIBLE, POLITICALLY CORRECT, HERD-MINDED PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET! That is how they got where they are today. I can honestly say that did not 'learn' one solitary thing from any professor I have ever had. Everything I know I learned from dusty old books, and hours spent alone in library stacks.

I once told my department chairman how I felt about his ignorant, dumbed-down curriculum. I was summarily dismissed from the University. And that was the best day of my entire life. I had graduated from without an M.B.A. (Masters of Bullshit Arts)

redrat11
10-28-2007, 03:43 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Henry Makow's latest article:

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_root_problem_illuminati_or.html

The Root Problem: Illuminati or Jews?
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
October 28, 2007

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

(This revisits an important article I posted in August 2006.)

"Henry, The only solution to all these problems is to kill all the Jews."

I got this email last week from George in response to my article about bionic women.

"Kill all the Jews and overnight these things will change. I know you'll never make that suggestion, but it's the only solution. The Protocols have come to fruition. Just tell the people to kill the Jews and our problems will be solved. You Henry could become a Marrano and lie like a bastard."

As economc and political conditions worsen, resentment against jews will grow.

"There is coming a time soon in which we shall have to fight Jews because they are Jews and because we are not," J.B. Campbell proclaimed in "Jewish Rule" posted on Rense.com. " They will leave us with no other choice, just as they left the Russians and the Palestinians and the Hungarians and now the Lebanese with no other choice but fight or die a nasty death after captivity and thirst and starvation and torture."

John Kaminski writes, " The Illuminati is wholly Jewish, started by a Jew turned Catholic, operated by the Jews who control the money. Now used, as a convenient myth by
Jewish writers to say the problem is not really Jewish."

Kaminski is referring to me. He has called me a "Zionist mole." The satanic Jewish cult, the Sabbateans, might be at the the heart of the problem but it has gone way beyond them to embrace the occult world in general.

The epithet "Illuminati mole" could be hurled back. People like Kaminski unwittingly serve the Illuminati agenda by making ordinary Jews the scapegoat. They divert attention from the real source of the problem which is Satanic.

As we shall see, the Illuminati is not "wholly Jewish" by a long shot. You could kill every Jew and the problem would remain. (Of course this does not absolve of guilt Illuminati of Jewish origin and their many Jewish dupes/agents i.e. Zionists, Communists, Feminists, Liberals, Socialists, Neo Cohns etc. Nor does it absolve those Jews who refuse to disassociate from organized Jewry.)

I refer Kaminski and his ilk to Fritz Springmeier, an unsung hero of humanity, now an American political prisoner, who has debriefed dozens of Illuminati defectors. The pioneer authority on the Illuminati, he says the problem is a lot bigger than "the Jews". It is anti-religious (as in satanic) not racial.

"To call the conspiracy Jewish is misleading. The father of it all is Satan. It is Satanic and it will use anyone it can." ("Bloodlines of the Illuminati", p.126)

THE PROBLEM WE FACE

It's the nightmare that's still there after we wake up. It reads like a horror movie script:

The most trusted and richest leaders of society have secretly organized into a satanic cult and are conspiring to turn humanity into their mind-controlled slaves. The process is designed to appear natural: "making the world a better place." All wars, including the Cold War and War on Terror are hoaxes designed to consolidate their power.

Humanity has a terminal disease and is in a collective state of denial. Every facet of Western society, not just organized Jewry, has been subverted. This includes business, education, military, mass media, government and all religions. The elite, Jews and non-Jews alike, are either dupes or agents. That is a condition for advancement.

The Illuminati control current events and determine human history according to their "Plan.". What we call "secular humanism" is nothing but a facade for Luciferianism. "Modernism" is the substitution of their occult interests disguised as "reason" for Moral Order and Objective Truth i.e. God. Our modern world is a fraud dedicated to enthroning Satan worshipers as rulers of this planet.

The word "Illuminati" sounds incredible but unfortunately it's very real. It's plans and correspondence were seized in 1784. Defectors testified at public hearings.

The relationship of Zionists to the Illuminati mirrors that of Freemasonry, which the Illuminati also control. Most are pawns and dupes. "The Lodge shall be our nursery garden," Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt wrote."All those who are not suited to the work shall remain in the Masonic Lodge and advance in that without knowing anything of the further system." (Webster, "Secret Societies," p.210)

FRITZ SPRINGMEIER

Humanity owes a debt of gratitude to Fritz Springmeier for exposing the Illuminati and its methods in a half dozen major works.

His definitive work is "Be Wise as Serpents" (1991) and "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" (1999). At the back he lists hundreds of names of members of the Illuminati organizations like the Pilgrim Society, Bohemia Grove and the Skull and Bones and related fraternities. The names reflect the American establishment yesterday and today. They are not exclusively Jewish.

I'll just list a few: Astor;Ball, Bennett; Bundy; Grace; Hammer; Kennedy; Brady; Acheson; Rockefeller; Dulles; Bedell Smith; Carnegie; Cowles; Dupont; Harriman; Schiff; Roosa; Brezinski; Kissinger; Forbes; Donovan; Javits; Mellon; Turner; Coffin; Heinz; MacLeish; Stanley; Pinchot; Whitney; Walker; Steadman; Taft...etc.

A similar membership analysis could be made of other Illuminati fronts such as the Bilderbergs, the Council on Foreign Relations , the Trilateral Commission and the Club of Rome.

Yes it is probable that Jewish Sabbatean heretics like the Rothschilds are the mainspring behind the Illuminati but there is no shortage of non-Jews who want a piece of the Satanic action.

Did you know Doonesbury's Gary Trudeau is Skull and Bones? Ned Lamont who tried to upset Joe Lieberman is the great grandson of Thomas Lamont, the Chairman of J.P Morgan, who financed the American Communists. These guys pretend to oppose each other. We get to choose which satanist we want.

It's frustrating that people like Kaminski can only see the Jews and not the gentiles. Then they blame all Jews regardless of their guilt and let all the guilty goyim off the hook. They seem to need a simple black-and-white solution to the world's problems. They can't face the betrayal of their own ethnic national and religious leaders. Easier to despise ordinary Jews than confront the powerful rich. I invite Kaminski et al to read Fritz Springmeier and focus on the guilty, whether Jew or not.

MOVERS AND SHAKERS

For exposing the Illuminati, Fritz Springmeier was framed for a 1997 bank robbery and sentenced to nine years in jail in 2003. They tried to make Springmeier out to be a Ted Kaczynski Unabomber. Read excerpts from this interview with Springmeier to see how intelligent he is and how evil they are. (The complete interview is available here.)

Who are the Illuminati?

"The Illuminati are the movers and shakers of the world. They are an elite group of bloodlines - I call these tribes or families - there are 13 major bloodlines. They are what are called "generational satanists". That means that they have practiced their secret witchcraft for many centuries and they have passed their religion down from one generation to the next. They lead double lives. They have one life that the world sees and then they have a hidden life that the world doesn't see. There have been very few people that have been able to break through the secrecy."

"The top 13 bloodlines are the Astor, Bundy, Collins, Dupont, Freeman, Kennedy, Li, Onassis, Rockefellers, Rothschild, Reynolds, Krupp, Russell ... then there is a 13th bloodline which is the Merovingian bloodline. I just simple call it the 13th and then there is the Van Duyn Illuminati bloodline. The 13th bloodline, the Merovingian, is extremely important. It includes the royal families of Europe."

What is their goal?

"Ultimately [their goal is] to bring in what people have termed the New World Order with a man who will hold the world's attention and carry the title 'The Antichrist.' That's the ultimate goal and I am not trying to wax religious on people but that's just the simple fact. When you get into deprogramming people you will see that a lot of the things they
have been programmed to do tie in with a very sophisticated plan to unify the world under the reign of the Antichrist."

"[Princeton historian] James Billington (Fire in the Minds of Men) traces how all the revolutions were started by this occult elite. The term revolution came from the occult idea that we were going to revolve ourselves back to the Golden Age. There is this great quest for the Golden Age, this millenialism. That's what communism is about. If you look at the early founders of communism - they were trying to revolve us back through revolution to the Golden Age that had been lost. ...it's always for a socialistic, communistic type utopia, [a cross between] "1984" and "Animal Farm."

Why do they use trauma-based mind control on their own family members?

"It's really essential. If you are going to participate in the Illuminati secret life, being a programmed multiple [personality] is basic. There are a few in the Illuminati who aren't programmed multiples, but considering what one has to participate in. You've got a
number of standard rituals involved - St. Weinbald, St. Agnes, Grand Climax, Walpurgis, Beltane, all your solstices and equinoxes, Lamas, All Hallow's Eve, High Grand Climax -- all of these standard rituals. These rituals are very horrific. They involved human sacrifice. Sacrifices of babies on the High Grand Climax. On various Sabbats you've got a young
female or a male being sacrificed.

This is not something that the normal mind is going to be able to handle. The mind control and the creation of multiple personalities where you get a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde effect - is very crucial to this thing continuing from generation to generation. They will be trained in alchemy, in Indian sorcery, Druidism, Enochian magik, Gnosticism, Hermetic magik, cabbalism, Plato, Sufism - they will know all the different branches of occult systems."


What is the function of trauma?

"The Illuminati take a small child about two years old, and they begin traumatizing it with the worst traumas that are imaginable so that they can create these amnesia walls. They find these dissociated pieces of the mind that are just like ...floppy disks, often they put in their programming to the dissociated parts of the mind as to what they want that part to become... [Elsewhere he says mind control was behind Josef Mengele's experiments; that Mengele was Illuminati and continued his work in the US after the war.]

The Illuminati can take a particular child and manipulate things from behind the scenes and open all the right doors for this person, and they can get them the grants and the schooling and everything they need and adding impetus to this person's career is the mind control that is steering them in that direction too. The end product is you end up with somebody who is an engineer or a lawyer or a politician who is very highly qualified for what they are doing.

A very conservative estimate - I shouldn't even say estimate because I have computed it from about seven different angles - a conservative figure is 2 million Americans have been programmed with trauma based total mind control."

The Ultimate Goal?

"The whole long-range goal of this, and when I say long-range, it's not going to take them long to get us there at the rate they are going - the end goal of all of this is to eventually create an entire planet of mind controlled slaves that can be controlled by one super computer. They are manipulating our thoughts and our attitudes, and steering us,
herding us (they consider us animals - the Illuminati consider themselves god, god men and us to be the animals) they are herding us in the direction they want to us to go."

CONCLUSION

Let's not fall into the Illuminati's divide-and-conquer trap. Springmeier says this is "a war against evil not race." He says that, as a virtuoso with an old violin, a "Master's hand can turn anyone into a beautiful thing." He says that many members of Illuminati families have
found Christ and broken free. Similarly many Illuminati dupes, whether Jewish or not, can be reached by a message of Truth and Love. We can all be deprogrammed.

--------------

See also "Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy "

Also, my "Why Do the Illuminati Hate Jews?"


Interesting, the Anti-Christ he says.




Spiritual Freedom


Since we are temporarily occupying the human bodies we have, I'm wondering if the physical nature of the world we inhabit will be destroyed, The Bible says that GOD made the Earth to stand forever, and (depending on your reading of scripture) that there will be peace on Earth for a thousand years, after Satan is binded and chained in Purgatory. During these 1000 years Satan will no longer have any authority over human matters, Humanity will re-create the original PLAN of GOD, which is to make the Earth a Paradise under Christ Kingdom.


Of course before all this can happen, there must first arrive the Anti-Christ to fulfill Biblical Prophecy, these end-times we are currently living in is extremely EVIL, such as the world has never seen before. After or during Armageddon, the Bible says Jesus will come with full authority to Cleanse the Evil off the Earth, and then it will be his faithful followers who are put to the task to rebuild the Paradise lost. also during this 1000 years of Peace, the Dead will awaken from there "places" and be reunited with there loved ones, As death and suffering will be a thing of the past, Christ Kingdom Come!

redrat11
10-28-2007, 04:03 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
What's the deal with the mind control containment phrase:

"No where to run and no where to hide?"

and

The picture of the cat and the bundle of money?

Just a few of MANY!

I don't need to elaborate.

I'm know your eyes see the same as I do.

I don't need to name names, but I'm sure you are aware of the others, as well.


Blue Angel, calm down, don't let your mind make things up. I know what I'm doing when I post stuff, sometimes My "Artistry" can be confusing, you do realize that? you have heard of Sarcasm, Artistry, and general BOREDOM weaved into one?


Relax, all of you before you end up in a real nut-house, I am accepting donations you know. I'm short for funds.



Note: What, are you afraid of cat pictures?

redrat11
10-28-2007, 06:12 PM
Blue Angel.....


"Mind-Control" within the music Industry. :-? who is "Mind-Controlled?" Interesting..



Interesting indeed.

redrat11
10-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Blue Oceans....

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Blue Bayou


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f78bKXzALXo

BlueAngel
10-28-2007, 07:53 PM
Springsteen certainly promotes homosexuality, sexually deviant behavior, fires, cutting people in half, etc., etc., etc., throughout his lyrics.

It's difficult to imagine the number of people who wander this planet in a FOG due to their constant exposure to music/songs/lyrics, which can produce a hypnotic effect. Certain messages, repeated over and over again become buried in the subconscious and can be called up with triggers that can be contained anywhere, as long as the target can see them, hear them.

Music is piped in everywhere we go.

It is similar to the techniques used when "mind control" programming a victim in MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

Keep in mind that we begin listening to music at a VERY, VERY YOUNG AGE.

Particularly, children's shows, DISNEY related animations, etc.

So, basically our perception of reality is altered from the moment we are born.

Before the age of five is crucial.

It's difficult to imagine the number of people who walk this planet in VERY suggestible states of mind due to their constant exposure to music and repetition of lyrics.

HYPNOSIS = High state of suggestibility.

Very easily coerced.

Changes one's perception of reality.

Subconscious is tapped and the CORE is not totally in control.

It's difficult to imagine the number of people who were subjected to mind control trauma-based programs; who are walking this planet and may be programmed to act upon specific "triggers" contained within lyrics to songs, musical tones, print, media, television programs, etc.

In other words, it it not beyond the realm of possibility that when in a high state of suggestibility, altered state of consciousness, in a FOG, so to speak, that a mind control victim and even those who are not mind controlled, but just having been subjected to that which I've explained, act upon triggers without contemplation.

This, of course, is true, as well, when speaking about programming directed at children with respect to violence and sexual promiscuity via video games, the big screen, music videos/lyrics, and the perpetual decline of a moral society which is something they are exposed to on a daily basis.

Social engineering.

Changing the biological and physiological chemistry of a human through mind control programming.

Shadow
10-31-2007, 11:34 PM
Prince Rogers Nelson was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota at Mount Sinai Hospital on Saturday June 7, 1958 to John L. Nelson and Mattie Shaw. John was a pianist and songwriter. Mattie was a singer. He is named after the Prince Rogers Trio, his father's jazz band. As a boy, he was called Skipper. There are a number of myths regarding Prince's ethnicity, some spread by Prince himself. In fact, according to an April 28, 1983 Rolling Stone article, Prince's father is African-American and his mother is herself multiracial, with Egyptian, African-American and Italian-American ancestry. After the birth of his sister Tyka, in 1960, Prince's parents gradually drifted apart. After they formally separated, he had a troubled relationship with his stepfather, causing him to run away from home. He lived briefly with his father, who bought him his first guitar. Later, Prince moved in with a neighborhood family, the Andersons, and became friends with their son, Andre Anderson (later called André Cymone).

BlueAngel
11-01-2007, 09:51 AM
I’m suffering from an acute case of Brucelash. Springsteen and the "Yeesh They’re Looking Pretty Old Band" (sorry, I mean “the E Street Band”) are seemingly everywhere lately, in support of their recently released and much ballyhooed album, Magic. In the last couple weeks, Bruce and the band have appeared on the Matt Lauer Snarky Time Happy Hour (also known as the Today Show), and Springsteen also appeared on 60 Minutes in a carefully crafted interview that reinforced the familiar Springsteen public persona (portrayal of said musician as an approachable and humorous man-of-the-people despite millionaire status? Check. Musings on what it means to be an American? Check. References to working class background and childhood in New Jersey? Check).

The critical response to the album has been extremely positive. On this very website, several contributors have sung their praises for the album on a few occasions, though I suspect that they might be/could be/maybe could be/just a little bit possibly are somewhat predisposed to like the album regardless of its actual content. Even the usually difficult to please Pitchfork gave the album a positive review, and that website usually saves its most enthusiastic praise for the following: anything Radiohead does, any band that features a Japanese woman sputtering out sentence fragments over music that sounds like a 1980s sitcom theme song, or any band whose name is either a declarative command or could be mistaken for a line of poetry from a female college student. As I checked out the album at a local retail store, a store employee approached me, and in breathless, hushed tones, told me the album was one of the greatest things he’d ever heard. His praise was so excessive I felt like I was holding a sacred relic upon which I should not even look, lest its sacred glow permanently blind my eyes.

Yet I still cannot bring myself to seal the deal and buy the album. I think I know why.

First, all this effusive praise is vaguely familiar: similar plaudits were lauded upon Bruce and the boys when The Rising was released a few years ago. Based on these reviews, I purchased the album and was supremely underwhelmed. Listening to it again recently, what surprised me most is how many of the songs sound dated; they suffer from a production approach that somehow seems both sterile and over-saturated at the same time. Looking back on the album now, I’m convinced the positive response for the album can be attributed to both an initial enthusiastic response to Springsteen and the band releasing an album together after many years away from each other, and, on a more serious note, because the album was seen as one of the earliest artistic works that addressed (however implicitly) the events and after-effects of 9/11.

The second issue that’s preventing me from buying the album and joining the angel band in song is the Santana factor. Let me explain. In 1999, Santana released Supernatural, which was touted as his best album since the Paleolithic era. The album caught on like wildfire. It sold 9,999,999,999,999 copies. It was required listening in grade schools across the country. It won countless awards and was anointed as the most important work of artistry since The Great Gatsby. It landed the musician a soft drink endorsement. It revealed that “the dude from matchbox 20” had an actual name. Everyone was enthralled with Santana, the super-cool aura he exuded, and especially, his truly remarkable porn-stache.

Of course, the mania around Magic has reached nowhere near the level of hysteria for Supernatural. The marketing push given to Springsteen’s album doesn’t come close to the push that Supernatural received (you couldn’t breathe air or fear Y2K in 1999 without seeing Santana on the television or hearing him on the radio). Still, I can’t help but think that some of the touchy-feely humping being thrust upon this album is at least partially a result of a careful marketing plan (select interviews, positive press, and a full-scale arenas-only world tour), and partially the result of many fans’ desire to see Springsteen and the E Street Band back together again, reliving their (here it comes!) glory days.

The final factor that’s currently preventing me from throwing down some baksheesh for this album is the simple fact that I can count the number of Brendan O’Brien-produced albums that I like on approximately, oh, three fingers.

Finger 1: Devils. Finger 2: and. Finger 3: Dust. I will readily admit there are many albums produced by O’Brien that I’ve never heard; I’m sure I’ll get around to checking out Dynamite Monster Boogie Concert by Raging Slab and Waste of Skin by Spike 1000 one of these days. However, of the albums I’ve heard, I’ve always found them overproduced and overpolished. O’Brien’s albums remind me of someone who smiles all the time; sure, it’s reassuring and non-threatening, but after a while, it’s just obnoxious and annoying. Then again, maybe I’m turning into a cranky music snob and cannot see the merits of Drops of Jupiter by Train or Significant Other by Limp Bizkit.

I want to buy Magic, give it a full listen, and say that it’s among Springsteen and the band’s best, on par with Born To Run and Darkness On The Edge Of Town. At their best, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are a force capable of making grown men weep, making the sky rain, and making the bad girls go good. I’m sure at some point in the coming weeks my Brucelash will end and I’ll buy the album. But right now I’m having a difficult time convincing myself this thing is something more than, at best, an overrated album, or, at worst, a polished turd whose stink is being masked by critics’ and fans’ enthusiasm to see Springsteen and the band rocking again like it’s 1978.

Written by Eric Whelchel
Published October 11, 2007

Shadow
11-02-2007, 04:30 AM
Prince and Anderson joined Prince's cousin Charles Smith in a band called Grand Central, formed in junior high school. Initially his involvement was just part of a mainly instrumental band, that played clubs and parties in the Minneapolis area. As time went by and Prince's musical knowledge broadened he found himself dictating the arrangements to the rest of the band. Before long he had become the band's front man. By the time Prince had entered high school, Grand Central evolved into Champagne and started playing original music already drawing on a range of influences including Sly Stone, James Brown, Jimmy Page, and Jimi Hendrix. At some point Prince was a student at the Minnesota Dance Theatre

George_Bush
11-02-2007, 03:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I had sex appeal, a stage presence, lyrical ability and knew the moves that were taught to me. I was being trained.

They could have worked with my voice and musical abilities.

I decided I'd rather live with GOD than the sell my soul to the Devil.

Wait, this not correct. You DID sell your soul to Lucifer!

redrat11
11-03-2007, 04:27 PM
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http://vdare.com/guzzardi/071102_borders.htm

Shadow
11-04-2007, 08:40 AM
People have different notions of these values, and they live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and Jackson Browne, in touring the country this October. We will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the government and change the current administration come November :lol:

Shadow
11-06-2007, 09:00 AM
When I listen closely.
Outside the window.
I hear a shovel.
Gently scraping on the concrete.
Gently tapping after the scraping.
A strange sound
In the darkness of the day
What ever fore is that shovel scraping
Will it scrape for as long as this God foresaken thread.

Will I ever see this message again as BlueAngle will probably shit 50 pages of crap onto this thread before I come back.

More to the point, will I care as the shovel gently scrapes?

Shadow
11-15-2007, 12:33 PM
This took a while to find out as very little is on the internet but plenty in print at my local library.

I got interested in this after one of your previous messages here that I actually read and decided to google an aspect of it. As I suspected, there was very little information and was not about Bruce, but it was interesting so I pursued it a bit.

There is a line in a song that was taken out after a female groupie went on to a fan forum and made some acussations that the line alluded to.

The musician in question as well as the rest of the band decided to go on with it as the groupie was a flake with problems both mental as well as drugs. But the manager as well as the record company played a much more cautious approach and told him to take the line out as they did not want such controversy to tarnish the musicians image as well as the groups drummer.

Shadow
11-20-2007, 09:30 AM
When exactly were you a groupie? Was Soozie Tyrell touring at the time?

Shadow
11-20-2007, 11:02 AM
You've must have known Soozie

Shadow
11-22-2007, 08:52 AM
I am more interested in what you were told to do with Soozie? There was aninterview with Rolling Stone I found in the library that is making more sense now!

Shadow
11-22-2007, 10:01 AM
It was in the library archives not the internet.

You can find it yourself if you have acess to back issues of Rolling Stone.

From the tone of the writing it seems you diD.

How was she?

Shadow
11-23-2007, 03:50 AM
Why are you getting so bitchy?

I am merely asking you about Soozie on whether you knew her and exactly how well you knew her.

As for the article, I was merely explaining why I asked the question because of some of the stuff she said about a female groupie that hung around. If you want to know more, its up to you. All I want to know is if you were involved with her?

Shadow
11-24-2007, 09:22 AM
If indeed you were Springsteen's "sex slave" as you claim than indeed you were a groupie. As they simply are druged out low or no self esteem individuals. So you either were a groupie or you making all this up.

As I said I did some checking up on Springsteen and came up with an unusual story involving Soozie and one of the female groupies that she said essentialy lived with the band.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and am asking you if you knew her.

From your responses you seem evasive which means you don't and so have been lying about the whole thing.

roscoe
11-24-2007, 02:13 PM
HOW DID THIS DISCUSSION SUDDENLY AQUIRE SO MANY PAGES?

HAS BLUE ANGEL OR ANYONE ELSE READ SPRINGMEIER'S ILLUMINATI FORMULA? OR BRYCE TAYLOR(SUSAN FORD)?

BRYCE TAYLOR CLAIMS TO KNOW NEIL DIAMOND AND MANY OTHERS

roscoe
11-26-2007, 01:12 PM
ONE WOULD THINK THAT BA WOULD HAVE READ BRYCE TAYLOR BY NOW

Shadow
11-29-2007, 09:26 AM
So what about Soozie?

Shadow
12-01-2007, 08:30 AM
How about your experiences with Soozie?

Peter
12-02-2007, 09:27 PM
Here she comes, walking down the street
You know shes walking just like shes walking to come and see
Oh shes so young
And shes so fine
I know whats on your mind, know what you want to do
But if you mess with her, Im gonna mess with you
You better watch your step, you better stay in line

This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine
Oh oh this little girl is mine
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine

Well if the world were mine to do with what I want to do, sir
Well Id wrap it up in a bow and giver it all to her
Yeah and all of my love, all of the time
You know Id hold her tight, Id never let her go
And late at night you know Id love her so
Yeah Id treat her right, so shed never mind
That

This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine

Hey ! you better watch out
Im telling you the score
Or youre gonna be sweeping your broken heart up off the floor
Oh and that aint all
Im telling you my friend

I know whats on your mind, know what you wanna do
But if you mess with her, Im gonna mess with you
You like the way she moves, you like to watch her walk
You better listen up, cause man this aint just talk
You better watch your step, you better stay in line

This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine
Oh oh this little girl is mine
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine

This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine
Oh oh this little girl is mine
This little girl is mine, oh oh
This little girl is mine, this little girl, this little girl is mine

Peter
12-02-2007, 09:29 PM
This song makes it very clear that he is a pedophile.

Peter
12-03-2007, 07:31 PM
Artist: Bruce Springsteen

Song: This little girl

Thats the song I posted the lyrics of. Seems he only sings about his desire for little girls. How can other people not see this? I never read anything about Bruce Springsteen till I saw your post her. Its pretty obvious that this guy has some serious problems.

Peter
12-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Keep on posting your stories. The few people who can still think for themselve will see their value. Most people are under mindcontrol nowadays and can not think anymore. I also avoided the topic of mindcontrol for a long time, because I was not ready for it. It takes some time to accept that this is at the core of the problems in our society. The illuminati control society by creating mind controlled slaves. What do you think they are doing in Iraq and Cuba? Yes, they are preparing an army of mind controlled slaves to take over Iraq and other middle eastern countries. Without these slaves they can not control these countries. Many torture tactics they use like waterboarding are also described by mind control victims in the US.

Peter
12-03-2007, 08:13 PM
My eyes were opened already blue angel. You only opened them further. I read the stories of Christopher Collins or John Todd on Henris Makows website. After that I read more about mindcontrol and the music industry. As a rock music fan, this was kind of a shock to me, but I think John Todd was right.

Peter
12-03-2007, 08:59 PM
Yes I part of your posts here. What you experienced is beyond imagination. Very similar what other former slaves and illuminati defectors describe. Did you read the article about John Todd on Makows website? John Todd talked also a lot about mind control and the music industry.

Shadow
12-04-2007, 08:33 AM
[quote]
BlueAngel wrote:
I'm not a psychiatrist... [quote]

No, but you really need to see one.

Shadow
12-04-2007, 12:19 PM
Just waiting for your next meltdown

CathyObrien
12-04-2007, 12:21 PM
How can you claim to say that you are me and are equipped when you are marking my husband with death threats?!!

CathyObrien
12-04-2007, 12:25 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Please do tell SHADOW.

Are you chained to the computer?

Do they pay you?

Are you a Springsteen groupie who just can't bare to believe he is a pedophile, sadistic pig and a part of the "satanic cult?"

Obviously, you have no purpose on this site other than to monitor my postings about Springsteen and any other topic I might comment on and respond to them in an unintelligent manner.

Is this an attempt to PROTECT him?

If so, I do hope they're not paying you because you have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt, as many others have, as well, that you are ill-equipped to deal with me.

No, you are chained to the computer!

They are paying you to mock my husband and I and they are paying you in Federal Reserve notes!

You are mocking me and my family in some vain attempt to make myself look stupid!

You are not me! And I love Bruce Springsteen for your information!

When you take pot shots at me, you're only hurting yourselves in the end!

CathyObrien
12-04-2007, 12:27 PM
I do not care if you are shadow and Blueangel, or any other of your pathetic alter egos!

I will protect my name! And you will stop making a markery of me and my husband!

Peter
12-04-2007, 07:33 PM
I ment to say I read many of your posts.

Back to John Todd. John Todd (or Lance Collins) is a member of the Collins Illuminati family. He was member of the Grand Druid council. He is one of the highest illuminati members who ever defected. After he defected he became a christian sometime, sometimes he fell back into witchcraft. Like all members of the illuminati he underwent trauma based mind control, so he had many different personalities, some of which were pure evil. After he defected from the illuminati some of these personalities made him sexually abuse girls. Great way to discredit somebody. Some people give this as a reason to throw everything he says out of the window. This is wrong in my opinion. Because of the sexual abuse he was thrown in jail. When he was released he got killed immediatly according to Fritz Springmeier, who is also in jail by the way.

Anyway in this video of one of his speeches to a church congregation he talks about witchcraft and the music industry. He knows the inside story on this subject because he was the one on the council of 13 in charge of the music industry. John says that no singer can produce a song nowadays without being a witch. He also says that every master record is cursed in satanic ceremony. The witches order demons to follow every record which is made from the master tape. When you buy a tape you bring these demons into your house. Anway, I do not know what is true about this. The only thing that I am sure about is that rock music is full of satanic symbols.

Listen to his speech by yourself. It is very revealing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8102723686161066292&q=John+Todd&total=2366&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Shadow
12-05-2007, 09:56 AM
BlueAngel wrote:

CathyObrien wrote:
How can you claim to say that you are me and are equipped when you are marking my husband with death threats?!!

TO THE ADMINISTRATION: I request that George_Bush be banned; together with Mark Phillips and CathyO'Brien.

I think its about time to ban this idiot once more. She is defintel becoming more unstable!

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 12:42 PM
TO THE ADMINISTRATION TOO! I request that BlueAngel be bannished; together with other shades of pastel or generally 'azure' colored entitities that she may have with her!

WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY BLUEANGEL'S ARGUMENTS FROM INTIMIATION (LIKE ANN RAND TALKS ABOUT)!

BLUEANGEL IS JUST ANOTHER DIRTY, FILTHY, UNENLIGHTENED, INSANE, WHITE TRASH SATANIC PIG AND SO ARE ALL HER LOW-LIFE LUCIFERIAN IGORAMOUS SATANIC AUTOMOTONS THE WORLD OVER!

I will make this clear, I, Cathy O'brien, have decided that I want to be a fundamentalist Christian and serve Jesus my Lord. Because I've realized that when I served Horus like a cheap two dollar whore of Babalon I was serving a stupid, bird-brained, cowardly, impotant, maggot-eaton carcass of a false god. And I was so stupid. I just hope I'm not eaten alive by Choronzon. And I hope I'm not destroyed by Aiwass, because I looked that up in a Chaldian lexicon and Aiwass is a Babylonian word for Destroyer. Wow, do I ever feel dumb for being in the Illuminati. I was born from a long line of idiots, I want to break the chain of Stupid.

I don't want to be a lizard woman anymore! I want to become a mammal again!

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 01:27 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Some people have a knack for making fools of themselves.

I wonder what it is they seek?

Attention?

I percieve that you are experiencing feelings of guilt, regret, shame, and loss.

Admitting the proplem is the first step toward healing. Yes, you've been an attention whore, but that doesn't mean that you cannot change.

You need a new self concept, BlueAngel. I'm willing to forgive all the blatent and vain threats against me that you've given. But you have to start getting back in touch with yourself. Get to know yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror and say, Am I really BlueAngel? Then yourself will look back and say, Do I LOOK Blue to you!! Then you will say, Stop making fun of me, I'm in healing and I'm getting a new self concept! Then your real self will look back at you in the mirror and say, Cathy....Cathy....you're talking to yourself again...

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Come on now, BlueAngel. Stop beating yourself up like this. Stop pulling yourself in two. Don't go reverting into your shell now..

http://asapblogs.typepad.com/news/images/2007/09/29/2turtle.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:01 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Using me as an example of someone who reverts into a shell is inappropriate.

It's quite clear that I'm out in the open.

I personally feel that it may be time for you to come out of the closet. You seem to be jealous of me. You've been hiding behind my name for a long time now. Isn't is time to tell the world who you really am?

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:11 PM
BlueAngel, who am you? You feel like I don't even know me anymore. Stop mocking I!

You look at I in the mirror and feel I've lost touch with yourself...

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/1/cobrien.jpg

BlueAngel, what have you made me done with her?

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Wendy, you're making you die me!

Little girl, come to Cathy for myself!

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:22 PM
Don't follow I Wendy, you're hurting meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

http://www.mayantimes.com/pictires/animal%20pictures/snake$$$$.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:25 PM
Don't follow you Cathy, BlueAngel! You're hurting ourself!

http://www.rpgartist.com/data/502/30The_Cockatrice-med.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Follow her Cathy! I'm hurting yourself!

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/e/eb/WindSerpent.png

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:34 PM
Wendy eat BlueAngel, she's eating yourself!

http://www.piney.com/BabSerpTail.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Cathy eat BlueAngel so she can feel yourself!

http://www.tamegoeswild.com/photos/coppermine/albums/200707/dead_snake.JPG

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:44 PM
Stop it Cathy! You're making you lose my head!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/218/458434418_d6736841c8.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:46 PM
Stop it BlueAngel! You're making you lose my head!

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/k/ks/ks/45829_rattle_snake_head.jpg

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:48 PM
Stop it Wendy their hurting you! I'm making me lose their head!

http://stevegarufi.com/snake1.jpg

George_Bush
12-05-2007, 04:22 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Is George_Bush a lunatic or does he seek to suggest?

I'm betting both!

What do I have to do with this discussion of the lunatic thugs?!!

But yeah, I gotta point. This is my point...the axis of evil!

http://resources.yesican-science.ca/orbits1/images/math_ellipse.png

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 12:48 PM
what is this?

you answer yourself half as many posts you have here?

that must be, let me do the math, about two for every post you post to yourself, one to post and one to see the shit

what are you doing?

are you obsessed with this springsteen dude want to be a real musician

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 12:49 PM
are you Ok?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 01:13 PM
what do you mean you own it? are you paying for this? or is it more like just your desire to own it?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 01:14 PM
but you never answered me...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 01:15 PM
but please, be honest. i don't want to be taken for a fool, please...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 01:19 PM
I did not say anything about you being a musician, I said that about springsteen want to be a "real" musician... since I don't think he will ever be a "real" musician

blueangel said:
"I'm obsessed with Springsteen "paying the price," pal!"

what does "paying the price" mean?

and please I told you not to PAL me again. I'd appreciate if you don't PAL me, since I am not your PAL...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 01:27 PM
look I just wanna understand what you mean by

“I'm obsessed with Springsteen "paying the price," pal!”

I can see that this thread is “obsessive” to say the least, but you being obsessed with springsteen “paying the price” is what I don’t quite get...

redrat11
12-08-2007, 06:39 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
what is this?

you answer yourself half as many posts you have here?

that must be, let me do the math, about two for every post you post to yourself, one to post and one to see the shit

what are you doing?

are you obsessed with this springsteen dude want to be a real musician


me9, BA is OBSESSED with Bruce SpingSTEIN becuase she used to be a part of the rock band in some form or another, probably a groupie, she had a 'crush' on him, dreamt of marrying him, he negelcted her, she now has this OBSESSIVE DISORDER toward this musician unlike anyone has ever seen, it is really pathetic to say the least that anyone could write over 3000 post's toward anybody.


If this does'nt show that BA is nuts I don't know what will, do you?



Bruce Springsteen is pretty good at his music, as usual BA likes to attack everyone and everything she gets her mind on.

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redrat11
12-08-2007, 06:55 PM
Ba is also jealous of Patti




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Born in the USA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk&feature=related


Dancin in the Dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8VZgJkpeg&feature=related


Born to run...

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redrat11
12-08-2007, 07:03 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
what is this?

you answer yourself half as many posts you have here?

that must be, let me do the math, about two for every post you post to yourself, one to post and one to see the shit

what are you doing?

are you obsessed with this springsteen dude want to be a real musician


me9, BA is OBSESSED with Bruce SpingSTEIN becuase she used to be a part of the rock band in some form or another, probably a groupie, she had a 'crush' on him, dreamt of marrying him, he negelcted her, she now has this OBSESSIVE DISORDER toward this musician unlike anyone has ever seen, it is really pathetic to say the least that anyone could write over 3000 post's toward anybody.


If this does'nt show that BA is nuts I don't know what will, do you?



Bruce Springsteen is pretty good at his music, as usual BA likes to attack everyone and everything she gets her mind on.

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I forgot to mention again, BA is jealous of PATTI


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me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:06 PM
redrat11 wrote:



me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
what is this?

you answer yourself half as many posts you have here?

that must be, let me do the math, about two for every post you post to yourself, one to post and one to see the shit

what are you doing?

are you obsessed with this springsteen dude want to be a real musician


me9, BA is OBSESSED with Bruce SpingSTEIN becuase she used to be a part of the rock band in some form or another, probably a groupie, she had a 'crush' on him, dreamt of marrying him, he negelcted her, she now has this OBSESSIVE DISORDER toward this musician unlike anyone has ever seen, it is really pathetic to say the least that anyone could write over 3000 post's toward anybody.


If this does'nt show that BA is nuts I don't know what will, do you?



Bruce Springsteen is pretty good at his music, as usual BA likes to attack everyone and everything she gets her mind on.

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I forgot to mention again, BA is jealous of PATTI


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I'm sorry bud, I just got distracted. but yeah, you seem to be having fun here,...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:18 PM
why the obsession? aren’t there more important things to worry about? or worrying about springsteen’s ass is that much more important?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:22 PM
I misinterpret much? look at your thread. it's got over 6000 or so posts by you about this infatuation with this dude. get a grip.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:30 PM
scratch what? you are also evasive, which makes you manipulative and dishonest

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:34 PM
so mama taught you a thing or two?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 09:07 PM
most likely LSD

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 09:44 PM
now that is mighty naive of yours to think otherwise...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 09:55 PM
yeah, but don't you think that they still sell it in all kinds, shapes and forms...

did you ever hear about "Stanislav Grof, M.D?"

check him out.

redrat11
12-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Get a room, the two of you, trying to concentrate here.lol...

Shadow
12-09-2007, 12:16 PM
I am suprised that it is the gerbil that is going after you this time around. :-?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-10-2007, 11:44 PM
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

Shadow
12-12-2007, 09:20 AM
I see the gerbil has some backup.

Shadow
12-12-2007, 09:33 AM
This is a truly unhealthy obsession you have here.

Shadow
12-12-2007, 09:53 AM
I see BlueAngel came back and read this and my other little note of concern to her and then left without a reply.

I can think of two potential scenarios:

She started screaming, pulled her hair and threw the keyboard into the screen.

Or, started screaming and her care giver was awoken and came to sedate her and put on that pretty white jacket on her.

Shadow
12-12-2007, 09:58 AM
I guess you didn't break the screen after all!

Shadow
12-12-2007, 10:19 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Nope. I guess Shadow doesn't want to explain her MISPLACED comment about how I didn't break the screen.

What is IT hiding?

You are being obsessive now!

Shadow
12-12-2007, 10:54 AM
obsessive

Peter
12-13-2007, 07:13 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Shadow, you silly THING.

When you said that you guess I didn't break the screen, it had nothing to do with the potential scenarios you posted.

I WONDER HOW SHADOW KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY HOUSE YESTERDAY MORNING!

It would not surprise me if Shadow knows exactly what is going in your home. I read that every piece of electronic equipment contains some extra tracking stuff like microphones. Its clear that he's only here to disturb and discredit you. Who knows what connections he has. On every politcal forum I saw these disturbing people. Most of them had connections to the FBI.

A person like you Blue Angel can be more dangerous to there plans than millions of fake patriots running after Alex Jones. I guess they might be putting some resources into tracking you.

Peter
12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
My goodness, I no sooner hit the post button on the Ron Paul thread and RedRat showed up almost at the same time.

Incredible timing, wouldn't you say?

Like when I was enjoying my 25th wedding anniversary celebration and my husband and I turned on the TV in the hotel room, and what do we hear:

BORN IN THE USA!

Incredible timing, wouldn't you say?

Coincidence?

No.

Too many coincidences equal premeditation.

The list goes ON AND ON.

Besides, I am who I am.

It's called watching me 24/7.

How 'bout when I received my complimentary tickets from the concierge and on the outside of the envelope, my first name was misspelled as Darlin' followed by my last time?

As if that's how my name is spelled.

Now, there are other times where my protectors communicate with me covertly and that's a good thing.

The rest of it.

Inconsequential.

I remain unscathed.

Sometimes, my loving children who respect and admire me for all that I AM, refer to me as The Terminator, Chuck Norris and The Enforcer.

It comes with the territory.

Hey, it's my job.

Somebody had to do it.

AND

SO

I

DID!

Money is no problem for them. I wonder however how they could get this song on tv when you turned it on. I guess redrat, george bush, shadow and who else are probably all illuminist agents who's task it is to discredit you. There is a lot of these guys on the net. Maybe George Bush is the best one on this forum.

Shadow
12-15-2007, 10:18 AM
This is about the time that someone gets sick enough of you that they start compiling all of the meaningless crap that you so graciously manage to post on a 24/7 basis.

You of course beging to have yet another episode and begin to be rather vulgar in your attacks as well as begin threatening other people, mainly though private postings and end up getting banned yet once more.

I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

Shadow
12-15-2007, 10:39 AM
I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

None of you are up to the task.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

Everyone is the captain of their own ship.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

You keep talking about not wanting to waste your time, but that's all you do. I never go over the edge. That seems to be the problem, eh, Shadow?[/quote][/quote]

This is about the time that someone gets sick enough of you that they start compiling all of the meaningless crap that you so graciously manage to post on a 24/7 basis.

You of course beging to have yet another episode and begin to be rather vulgar in your attacks as well as begin threatening other people, mainly though private postings and end up getting banned yet once more.

I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

Peter
12-15-2007, 05:45 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Peter said:

Money is no problem for them. I wonder however how they could get this song on tv when you turned it on. I guess redrat, george bush, shadow and who else are probably all illuminist agents who's task it is to discredit you. There is a lot of these guys on the net. Maybe George Bush is the best one on this forum.

Posted on: 2007/12/14 23:55

--------------------------------------------

Not that I want to give any of them any credit for being good, but please explain in what respect you say this about George_Bush?

Yes, they're trying to discredit me, but in the process they all look like fools.

It's knowing my every move.

It's learning my habits.

Where I go in the day, what I watch on television and, in particular, they listen in so they know where I'm going before I get there.

If they need to bug the hotel room, they will.

They attempt to RUN interference and, in particular, they want Springsteen in my face.

The reason there has been much publicity as of late.

I meant to say that the only thing George Bush is good at is trying to upset people.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-15-2007, 06:45 PM
I told you, Henry Makow has had it. he is going to let it go, and all because of the “very bad rotten apples”...

“hasta la vista baby”...

Peter
12-15-2007, 06:48 PM
Henri has better things to do. Political forums are a pain to moderate. Always end in fighting.

Shadow
12-15-2007, 08:31 PM
My, Blue Angel you have turned this place into a romper room.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-15-2007, 08:55 PM
I’m going downtown baby, uhmm... she’s got the blues

I’m going down baby, ...yeah

she’s got the blues

I’m going downtown baby, uhmm

‘cause she’s got me blued

‘turn around’

(hasta la vista baby...)

Shadow
12-16-2007, 08:38 AM
Springsteen has shown restraint?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/shoregrl20/b13.jpg

redrat11
12-18-2007, 07:10 PM
Examining the Questions....


Tonight LADIES AND GENTELMAN I feel like asking questions, and whether they are answered, is of no importance to me. I simply ask, for my own intellectual enrichment.


Some of you reading this may be thinking right now, Oh, NO, here we go again, Redrat11 and BA petty arguments, that could be true, however,if you pay attention to what questions I provide, then you will see my point here, it is not to instigate anybody here. Because in the end there may be NOBODY HERE! Including myself. I don't have to tell you, nor anybody to me, that life is too damm short. And I say this because I would really like to know the mystery here, would'nt you? Now, I'm no dummy, I know not one question I pose will be answered, that I can assure you right now, so with that said...


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Ok question #1

1. If it is true what BA has told us all about her imprisonment in "Project Monarch" and used as a sex slave for various reasons by evil people, and that Bruce Springsteen was her 'handler' then how can you explain the fact that Bruce Springsteen is, I think in his mid 50's I guess.


This would make it impossible for him to be her handler becuase BA has said that her age is ** I won't mention it here, but it would be impossible for him to be her handler when she was a youngster, since he would be a youngster too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

And if you think I'm a mean person for bringing this topic up, get over it. Go over to the 'other' forums.


question #2


first her own words..
>>>>>>>>Not too much on his site about mind control programs, but constant reference to the "satanic cult."

When I first arrived here, I was in a "fragile" state of mind having been psychologically, mentally and emotionally abused on Springsteen's site.

My history is that I am a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used in the music industry as a sex slave and Springsteen my main handler/controller.

I don't have the time nor the desire to go into the details again.

Bits and pieces are scattered amongst this thread and others, which include a description of the psychological operations targeted upon me after I arrived at Springsteen's site and was placed in altered states of consciousness and psychologically and emotionally tortured.

Springsteen made a comment about impeaching Bush during one of his shows in 2003 and this is what attracted me to his site.

In altered states of consciousness, through lyrics and other means posted on the site, I was made to believe that the past I had uncovered shortly after 911, involved this man as the one who rescued me from the cult.

Doesn't Springsteen have a song wherein he sings about Henry boy?

I left Springsteen's site of my own free will sometime near the end of 2004 and made a few posts in 2005, after arriving there in March of 2004 and escaping yet again from sadistic pigs.

I started posting here sometime in 2005 and there were a slew of unethical people aboard.

I was their main target, as usual.

I was banned and when I addressed Makow about my banning and the "instigators" allowed to stay on, his reply was something like:

"I don't have time to look after a kindergarten class."<<<<<<<<<<<
*********************************************
Ok, so she says here some things that don't make sense. first this.

********************

Springsteen made a comment about impeaching Bush during one of his shows in 2003 and this is what attracted me to his site.

In altered states of consciousness, through lyrics and other means posted on the site, I was made to believe that the past I had uncovered shortly after 911, involved this man as the one who rescued me from the cult.

***********************************
Ok, so nobody FORCED her to join his site, she went there becuase he mentioned something political, therefore, she was probably a music fan of his, right? Why else would she say that? she said she was attracted to his site.

****************************************
Ok, how about this one...
*************************
In altered states of consciousness, through lyrics and other means posted on the site, I was made to believe that the past I had uncovered shortly after 911, involved this man as the one who rescued me from the cult.
*******************************


she was made to believe that Springsteen was her rescuer, is that what she is implying? How can that be if Springsteen could not have been her handler if he was almost the same age as BA, when she was a youngster, these are questions that need to be addressed, of course they won't, I know that.

*******************************



She then says she left on her own FREE WILL, how is that? How do you leave a SATANIC CULT OR PROJECT MONARCH, as she calls it, on your own free will?


I simply pose these questions as I am a curious person at heart, NOTHING MORE,NOTHING LESS. :-o

Peter
12-19-2007, 07:06 PM
He's still free because he's still usefull for them. Once he has no purpose anymore they will throw him in jail or something like that.

Peter
12-19-2007, 07:21 PM
People are like tame sheep nowadays. The normal reaction would be to get very angry at this guy. Nowadays people do not protect themselves anymore. Wonder why? To much fluoride in the water?

Anybody else in the musice industry who is a pedophile?

We have now, Bruce Springsteen who sings about his desire for little girls and god knows what else he does. Michael Jackson who sleeps with young boys in his bed and says thats completely normal??? R'Kelly who has sex with young girls.

All these guys have one thing in common: they are allowed to this without punisment. Maybe R'Kelly will have to spent a day in jail, probably not. Michael Jackson also had a lawsuit, but he did not spent time in jail as far as I know.

Peter
12-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Protesting accused pedophile R. Kelly

By Michelle Malkin •

December 14, 2007 06:52 PM I first wrote about R&B thug R. Kelly in 2003, when he was released on bail after being charged with 21 counts of statutory rape and child pornography. The wheels of justice grind slowly. Four years later, accused pedophile R. Kelly is still roaming around free on a new concert tour–but he has yet to face the music in court on those criminal charges.

Jasmyne Cannick and other black activists plan to station themselves across the street from the Forum on Friday to protest a concert that night by R. Kelly, the R&B superstar and celebrity defendant, but Cannick is already resigned to the fact that her picket line will be outnumbered by scalpers.

“It’s like pulling teeth to get people to talk about this,” Cannick said. “It’s a challenge to get the black community to even discuss it. . . . They’re acting like he doesn’t have 14 counts of child pornography against him. . . . We’re all acting like we don’t have daughters and nieces and little sisters.”

…Kelly was caught up in a tempest in 2002 when a videotape that purportedly showed him engaging in sex acts with a girl in her early teens opened the door to criminal charges and lawsuits from females who claimed they were also his underage sex partners. Even before that, Kelly had a reputation for sexual contact with female minors — not only did he write the 1994 hit “Age Ain’t Nothing but a Number” for the late singer Aaliyah, it was revealed later that he married her when she was 15 and he was 27.

The criminal case is still winding through the courts after repeated delays, but Kelly’s career has not only endured, it has thrived. In 2002-2003, he had one of his biggest hits ever, “Ignition (Remix),” which kicked off a run of successful years. This year, “Double Up” became the fifth R. Kelly album to debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, and he has just been nominated for two Grammys. As McDavid said: “He’s at the top of his game.”

On Tuesday, a group of protesters gathered at the Forum to call on the venue’s owner, the Faithful Central Bible Church, to call off the show.


http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/protesting-accused-pedophile-r-kelly/

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-20-2007, 03:44 PM
kerry and bruce
http://www.bongonews.com/StoryImages/john_kerry_bruce_spingsteen_2004-11-03.jpg
http://www.bongonews.com/StoryImages/john_kerry_bruce_spingsteen_2004-11-03.jpg

here blue,... my two cents

Peter
12-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Why are you talking so much about Scalia Blue Angel? Do you see her as a competitor? Are you jealous at her, because she is the wife of Springsteen?

Peter
12-20-2007, 08:24 PM
sorry I mean Scialfa.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 02:35 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Your two cents!

HA!

That's about all you're worth.

hey blue, you don’t have to be so mean... you see I say something nice and you immediately want to trash me...

with you nobody can win

damned if you do, and damned if you don’t

what is wrong with this picture, you know, I think you’d like it better if I told you how cynical and pathetic you still are, you haven’t changed a bit

same all crap, different day...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:39 PM
neither of you guys have anything better to do but to harass people on this site.

peter all of the stuff you purchase, everything you use, everything you eat, and everything you interface with has illuminati written all over it and you know it

you are a provocateur nothing else along with DA

you are illuminati pretending to be against it

the two of you are the lowest of the lowest

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:41 PM
misery attracts misery. the two of you deserve each other.

you are both very narrow minded. you see one thing and one thing only.

only those you approve of (which are who) are Ok everyone else is illuminati, besides your credentials are none

neither of you know what an open mind means

what blueangel needs is some serious help, she has nothing to offer here but instigation and irritation

you are both agents of disinformation and internet provocateurs, you have nothing good to offer

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:45 PM
blueangel, you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your death that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of anyone’s time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:49 PM
the only thing you are good at, besides demonstrating everyone here that your brains are deteriorating at a rate faster than the food your intestines process, is being the most pathetic, annoying, and hating blogger in this forum, providing nothing but absolute garbage filled posts without any value whatsoever. no one can benefit from your pathetic blogs except your big empty ego, which obviously gets satisfied every single time you post. it gives meaning to you and only you (and that’s called absolute selfishness)

kind of like a hot-air-balloon filled with rotten garbage instead of clear hot air, and that can’t float free into the air and be absolutely free and one with the air because of the weight of all of the garbage that you carry inside

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:51 PM
send your requests of expulsion (for “blueangel”) directly to Henry Makow
(http://www.savethemales.ca/contact.html)

she doesn't deserve to be here

this time is going to be her last time...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:54 PM
send your requests of expulsion (for “blueangel”) directly to Henry Makow
(http://www.savethemales.ca/contact.html)

she doesn't deserve to be here

this time is going to be her last time...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:56 PM
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 07:59 PM
Peter wrote:
Blue Angel is sharp and intelligent.

yeah, as sharp and intelligent as a “dull knife”...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:00 PM
blueangel wrote:

“This place actually keeps me sane”

this is about the only truth she has ever said, the only truth

what she needs is some serious help in the form of shrink and some daily therapy (obviously)

she also needs a playground instead of a serious site as ClubConspiracy.com

and among many other bad traits she seems to posses,

she is a split-personality compulsive and evasive liar, twister, manipulator, and mal-intentioned provocateur

and a non-sense garbage-poster

people (and their threads) that definitely do not belong here: blueangel and peter

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 08:03 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
blueangel wrote:

“This place actually keeps me sane”

this is about the only truth she has ever said, the only truth

what she needs is some serious help in the form of shrink and some daily therapy (obviously)

she also needs a playground instead of a serious site as ClubConspiracy.com

and among many other bad traits she seems to posses,

she is a split-personality compulsive and evasive liar, twister, manipulator, and mal-intentioned provocateur

and a non-sense garbage-poster

people (and their threads) that definitely do not belong here: blueangel and peter

Peter's made a few posts and already you're calling for his banishment? Again, you're misquoting. RedRat said this place keeps him sane. For whatever that is worth.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:03 PM
no but you are still missing the point...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:04 PM
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:05 PM
you can't be quoted

you talk nothing but pure garbage

and you constantly change your mind, so there...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:05 PM
I told you, Henry Makow has had it. he is going to let it go, and all because of the “very bad rotten apples”...

“hasta la vista baby”...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:06 PM
the shit you talk about is of no interest to anyone

just go away

go back to your pathetic and filthy springsteen thread (about pedophilia)

the only reason you are here is because you enjoy being a pain in the ass

yes, a literal pain in the ass

that is all you are, a pathetic provocateur

you don’t belong here

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:10 PM
neither of you guys have anything better to do but to harass people on this site.

peter all of the stuff you purchase, everything you use, everything you eat, and everything you interface with has illuminati written all over it and you know it

you are a provocateur nothing else along with DA

you are illuminati pretending to be against it

the two of you are the lowest of the lowest

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:12 PM
where is you lapdog (peter) when you need him?

ah, smart ass?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:12 PM
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:15 PM
oh the garbage marker is up to 7018 hits

that's a lot of garbage...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:17 PM
go away DA...

you don't belong here...

don't you get it by now, you are not welcomed

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:18 PM
very, very, good

congratulations

because it is all about you.

now you see it.

it represents the essence who you are, a reflection of what you represent

so as you said

nothing

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:20 PM
very, very, good

congratulations

because it is all about you.

now you see it.

it represents the essence who you are, a reflection of what you represent

so as you said

nothing

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:23 PM
nobody wants you here DA, you better pack it up and go were you are wanted

because here nobody cares about you or your puppy dog peter

go away and never come back

you got that?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:28 PM
Barbara wrote:

Oh, well, it was an interesting thread and maybe anyone dropping in will read the first post and just ignore the rest.


LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,...

you must be talking about DA (blackandblue)

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:32 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
Barbara wrote:

Oh, well, it was an interesting thread and maybe anyone dropping in will read the first post and just ignore the rest.


LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,...

you must be talking about DA (blackandblue)


what is it that you don't understand smarty

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:33 PM
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:37 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

Can't Barbara defend herself against me?

Had to call her lap dog, ME9.

we are doing you a favor

read the stuff and realize who you are

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:39 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
oh the garbage marker is up to 7018 hits

that's a lot of garbage...

WOW!

Now, if I would have published a book, sold it for $25.00 x 7,000, I may have made a little bit of loot, eh?

Instead, I advise the public for free.

I'm such a patriot!

you are not even a mind-control victim

you are a liar

you just want attention

nothing else

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:39 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:

me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
Barbara wrote:

Oh, well, it was an interesting thread and maybe anyone dropping in will read the first post and just ignore the rest.


LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,...

you must be talking about DA (blackandblue)


what is it that you don't understand smarty

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:42 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Barbara wrote:
The only point DA has is on top of her head.

She really needs to get some new material.

Oh, well, it was an interesting thread and maybe anyone dropping in will read the first post and just ignore the rest.

Once they see her name on a thread they know what to expect.

Has it dawned on anyone that, with the exception of her drooling idiocy over Springsteen, DA doesn't start many threads? She just goes around dropping her turds on everybody else's threads. I guess she can only do what she can do. Pity.

I'm the author of many threads, Barbara and, if I weren't, is that a prerequisite to posting here?

Your threads aren't your own thoughts. They're articles from other websites and links.

Not very creative, eh?

I enlighten and inform with INTELLIGENCE.

You, on the otherhand, cut and paste.

there is nothing creative about your garbage

is your garbage spontaneous?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:45 PM
you are full of it...

Barbara
12-21-2007, 08:45 PM
You, write a book, DA! Don't make me laugh! They took your crayons away in rehab.

If you managed to get one self-published, you would have to hold a gun on people to make them take it as a freebie until they got to the nearest trash can.

You have simply filled up pages with your wild rambling and delusions. Diary of a Mad Housewife has already been written, so you are SOOL.

You are old hat, nobody cares about anything you have to say. Those hits are probably your own and those who go there to tell you that you are full of BS. Oh, and of course, little DH who goes there to suck up.

Don't let the screen door hit you on the a$$ as you leave.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:46 PM
full of garbage that is...

that's why it comes out so easy...

it comes out of your mouth, your eyes, your ears,

and obviously...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:51 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Barbara wrote:
The only point DA has is on top of her head.

She really needs to get some new material.

Oh, well, it was an interesting thread and maybe anyone dropping in will read the first post and just ignore the rest.

Once they see her name on a thread they know what to expect.

Has it dawned on anyone that, with the exception of her drooling idiocy over Springsteen, DA doesn't start many threads? She just goes around dropping her turds on everybody else's threads. I guess she can only do what she can do. Pity.

I'm the author of many threads, Barbara and, if I weren't, is that a prerequisite to posting here?

Your threads aren't your own thoughts. They're articles from other websites and links.

Not very creative, eh?

I enlighten and inform with INTELLIGENCE.

You, on the otherhand, cut and paste.

Barbara, she has no new material,...

it's the same old garbage over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and

again,

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:55 PM
why are you so, so angry with everyone here...

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:59 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
You truly need to find another form of entertainment.

look who's talking, but mrs nothing better to do than to spew out constant spontaneous garbage uncontrolled by no other than your lack of imagination... what a trip

Barbara
12-21-2007, 09:09 PM
That is probably true, you don't even have any entertainment value. You make DH's post look interesting, and that is really pushing it.

Peter
12-21-2007, 09:47 PM
Woef woef, I am back. I got a good drink at the bar with my friends. Thats what you should do. Relax.

The best thing we can do in this crazy world is to stay sane. For that we need to take time to relax. Seems most people in this forum clearly need a break. Especially me9, barb and shadow.

Why do you want me removed me9? Because I am Blue Angels puppy? Ha, ha, I am nobodies puppy. The only reason why I support Blue Angel is, because she shows she KNOWS how our society functions, in contrast to you guys. People who really KNOW how things work are a rare breed nowadays, so I am happy to see somebody like blue angel posting here.

Her situation here resembles my situation pretty much. Everywhere I go and speak out I get lots of opposition. The sheeple are afraid and are trying to supress the truth, because its to scary for them. This is true, because if they would finally accept our story instead of the illuminist lies, their world would fall apart.

Peter
12-21-2007, 10:09 PM
"Probably I have done and will do more than any of you to advance their agenda, but I have no choice"

I am a scientist Blue Angel. Scientist advance the NWO much more than any other people. Without scientist the NWO will never be established, because its for a large part based on technological development. Scientist have done more harm to society than any other group of people on the planet. Except the leading illuminists ofcourse.

The sad thing is that many scientist believe that they are helping society to solve problems, instead they are helping to destroy it. On the other hand, many scientists are embracing satanism and the illuminist agenda with open arms. Many scientist I know are flashing satanic hand signs regularly. During presentations, discussions and job interviews. My boss told me you can not get a job at our institution without being a freemason.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-22-2007, 07:55 AM
BlueAngel wrote:

Barbara wrote:
Don't sleep, don't close your eyes - got to be sure you have the last word.

Fill up those pages with your brilliant intellect. Kill those threads. How dare anyone want to discuss topics about which you have no clue.

Springsteen, fill up some more pages about Springsteen and his family whom you so obviously envy.

Do it while you can, your time is almost up.

Envy a woman who is married to a pedophile?

If that is your thinking Babs, you certainly have more than one screw loose.

disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- resort to and adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

Peter
12-22-2007, 11:25 AM
"If you are adamantly opposed to the NWO then you cease from being a scientist. PERIOD! Scientists are the leading cause of detriment to our society. They research for the NWO and propose their findings upon the masses not for good, but for harm"

Seems you are reading my mind. I am planning to change my direction.

So, then you are a FREEMASON? Fess up! What is the deal with you stating that you would have to kill yourself?

No I am not a freemason. I think my boss meant that for the upper level jobs you have to be a freemason. I am not a freemason and I am still working at our institution. But I am just a low level guy.

In our society we need money to survive. For getting money you need a job. I am a scientist, so I get paid to do science. I know the research is greatly advancing the NWO but I need money. Thats how they control us. My temporary solution is to focus on science areas which are less beneficial for the illuminist. My long term solution is to quit science altogether. Why I am in this situation? I only recently realised how the scientific research fits into the plans for establishing the NWO. Its a bit late, but never to late to change course.

There is hardly any way out of this money system. However, I am sure we can change it if we want. Maybe my statement that only dead can get us out of this is to negative.

Peter
12-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Why are they trying to connect me to Blue Angel? Give Henri a reason to kick me out also? Blue Angel does not need me and I do not need her.
She can take of herself perfectly.

Must be kind of disappointing for me9, barbara and shadow that there are now at least two people posting here who know the truth. I was trying to get some of my friends in here to give you guys an even harder time. Would be interesting to see how you would deal with more people who know the truth.

Delta
12-22-2007, 01:56 PM
Friends? The only friends a little kiss ass prick like yourself will have is in your so called mind, just like your "hero" DA.


Tell us, which "posters" were you here as previously?

Delta
12-22-2007, 02:07 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Isn't it funny how the disinformation agents on this site tried desperately to connect me to Peter.

You can see why now, can't you?

Like I said, I'm a lone wolf.

They make the best operatives.

ME9 said that I should go back to where I am wanted.

Gee, anybody know to where he may be referring?

I'm wanted and needed right here in my home with my husband of 25 years and my three beautiful children.

Then why do you spend your every waking hour cyber stalking Springsteen?

Peter
12-22-2007, 02:16 PM
Delta wrote:
Friends? The only friends a little kiss ass prick like yourself will have is in your so called mind, just like your "hero" DA.


Tell us, which "posters" were you here as previously?

Thanks for the nice words Delta. This will really make my christmas better. Nice name by the way, Delta.

Delta
12-22-2007, 02:18 PM
You mean your hanukkah!

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-23-2007, 12:03 PM
merry christmass "bluemagic"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2TDN16UtTk

we do love "ygtfooh"...

Delta
12-23-2007, 10:40 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

I remember when Springsteen told me that he didn't want to to what he was doing to me,

Was this when he was getting the restraining order against you or when he was having you arrested for violating the restraining order?

Delta
12-24-2007, 04:29 PM
Describe exactly how you were "abused"

Delta
12-24-2007, 05:25 PM
Kindly state explicity here for anyone that cares to read as well as for reference to Mr. Springsteens lawyers:

HOW EXACTLY WERE YOU ABUSED?

TELL US WHAT EXACTLY YOU WERE MADE TO DO?


If you can't do that, then I would suggest you just shut the f*** up with this cyber harassment of yours.

Delta
12-25-2007, 06:03 PM
If we could be so lucky as for you to leave on your own free will.

Again:

HOW EXACTLY WERE YOU ABUSED?

TELL US WHAT EXACTLY YOU WERE MADE TO DO?


If you can't do that then I would suggest you zip your lip.

Peter
12-25-2007, 09:44 PM
Use your worst imagination Delta and than ten times worse. That probably describes blue angels experiences best. I do not think that there is any need for her to tell what happend to her.

Delta
12-25-2007, 10:55 PM
I have tried to use my worst imagination on this pathetic 300+ page thread she has started,

The only result I, as well as the rest of the remaining sane members here, seem to come up with is that she has made it all up.

She is a liar as well as a drama queen!

The sad/pathetic thing about this is that people should not "cry wolf" over things as despicable as this. What happens at the end is that people will tune off as the seed of deciept has been planted by people like DA!

Notice how much interest your recent thread has taken. Idiots like DA with her lies and fantasies make it difficult for real victims to find attention until it is too late.

You are simply fueling her fantasies and in a small way are belittling the real victims.

I hope you are proud of yourself.

Peter
12-26-2007, 07:52 PM
"Delta is belittling Peter because he accepts the fact that mind control sadistic and "satanic cults" exist. I talk about what other victims talk about and DELTA thinks this somehow harms the real victims. You are one sick puppy, Delta"

I see the evidence for the existence of these sadistic cults every day Blue Angel. Their symbols and worker bees are everywhere. I am surrounded by members of this satanic cult. I talk to them every day. The interesting thing is that some of them know that I know. This makes them very uncomfortable. Once you expose them you see their real face. After I exposed some of their secrets, they threatend to kill me. Anyway, I am getting used to death threats now. I even got some death threats from my own boss after I exposed some of their secrets.

Peter
12-26-2007, 08:45 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Peter said:

"I see the evidence for the existence of these sadistic cults every day Blue Angel. Their symbols and worker bees are everywhere. I am surrounded by members of this satanic cult. I talk to them every day. The interesting thing is that some of them know that I know. This makes them very uncomfortable. Once you expose them you see their real face. After I exposed some of their secrets, they threatend to kill me. Anyway, I am getting used to death threats now. I even got some death threats from my own boss after I exposed some of their secrets."

-----------------------------------------------

Are you one of their worker bees?

Yes I am one of their worker bees.

You are amongst them, but not one of them?

I am amongst them, but not one of them. Many people working here are freemasons. I am not. I know however their symbolic language, so I am kind of an insider.

How, to whom and what secrets have you exposed?

I might talk about that in a different subject. I am not really comfortable talking about this. If they find out what I am writing here it could be very bad for me.

How did they find out?

First: learn their language.
Second: observe their reaction when I expose my knowledge about their secrets.

You have received death threats from them and your boss, but you still remain in their presence?

I am leaving soon. After that I might be more free to talk.

What secrets have you exposed?

What secrets have you exposed and why would they continue to employ you and not kill you?

They do not know the extend of my knowledge. At the moment they think I am just some cute guy interested in conspiracy theories. They do not know how many pieces of the local puzzle I already put together. One guy realizes a little bit of the extend of my knowledge. He is very very worried about this. He will not harm me however. Maybe he would if he would realize what I know.

Peter
12-26-2007, 09:04 PM
Lets stop talking about this here. I am not sure if its a good idea to talk about all of this. Sorry.

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:12 PM
Sounds a bit flimsy to me.

I am not sure what is flimsier.

Peter's story or BA's grasp of reality!


What kind of "scientist" are you Peter?

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:14 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
If we could be so lucky as for you to leave on your own free will.

Again:

HOW EXACTLY WERE YOU ABUSED?

TELL US WHAT EXACTLY YOU WERE MADE TO DO?


If you can't do that then I would suggest you zip your lip.

You don't seem to get it Delta. I don't have to tell you anything or the US that you refer to.

You are a nobody to me.

An anonymous insane poster on Henry Makow's site.

In addition, try reading the thread. You talk about having read it, but, apparently, you have not.

The abuse is stated within and as far as the rest of the details, they're my business and will be revealed at a later not and certainly not to you.

You're a nobody.

You can suggest anything you like, but I'll do as I desire.

Seems when I leave, you and the other ILK on this site continue talking about me when I'm not here.

That is what all of you wanted.

For me to leave and when I do so, you have nothing else to add to this forum other than your sick obsession with me.

Actually we all "get" it. You and your "stories" are nothing but a cry for help from a very troubled person.

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:14 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Peter wrote:
Use your worst imagination Delta and than ten times worse. That probably describes blue angels experiences best. I do not think that there is any need for her to tell what happend to her.

There's no need because I've decribed plenty and I certainly have no intention of talking to this insane person, DELTA in any further detail.

If that were only true. It would truly be a wonderful Christmas present.

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
I have tried to use my worst imagination on this pathetic 300+ page thread she has started,

Why are you trying? Go find something else to do with your life rather than cyberstalk me.

The only result I, as well as the rest of the remaining sane members here, seem to come up with is that she has made it all up.

Who cares what you or the rest of the insane members on this site think? Certainly, I don't.

She is a liar as well as a drama queen!

You're obsessed with wanting whomever reads this site to believe I am a liar. Care to explain why this is so important to you? Didn't thing so. I mean, why do you care whether Springsteen is a pedophile or not?. I mean, if I read about Dylan being a pedophile, I certainly wouldn't spend every waking moment like you do trying to convince those who read the site it was posted on that he isn't.

The sad/pathetic thing about this is that people should not "cry wolf" over things as despicable as this. What happens at the end is that people will tune off as the seed of deceit has been planted by people like DA!

The sad and pathetic thing is you. I'm not crying wolf. I'm speaking the truth. If these truths are so despicable, why then would you think my truth is about crying wolf? You've admitted they're reality. You are attempting to plant the seed of deceit.

Notice how much interest your recent thread has taken. Idiots like DA with her lies and fantasies make it difficult for real victims to find attention until it is too late.

So, you admit there are real victims, but you just can't fathom that I would be one. What a joke! Why? Because it involves your hero, Bruce Springsteen? Oh, yes, I'm making it difficult for real victims to find attention until it is too late. Get real. The real victims are making it a reality and hopefully, one day, putting an end to sadistic abuse by people such as yourself.

You are simply fueling her fantasies and in a small way are belittling the real victims.

Delta is belittling Peter because he accepts the fact that mind control sadistic and "satanic cults" exist. I talk about what other victims talk about and DELTA thinks this somehow harms the real victims. You are one sick puppy, Delta.

I hope you are proud of yourself.

I'm very proud of myself. An American patriot through and through. Springsteen should live the rest of his life behind bars.


Continue like this and you may live the rest of your life in a padded room.

Peter
12-26-2007, 09:20 PM
Delta wrote:
Sounds a bit flimsy to me.

I am not sure what is flimsier.

Peter's story or BA's grasp of reality!


What kind of "scientist" are you Peter?

I just got my junior science box from santa. Now I can start learning some real science. I am especially amazed by all these bright colored liquids. Cool.

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:44 PM
I am truly suprised how Henry can allow this idiot to slander someone with such vile accusations for so long.

Although you may thing, you are not trully annonymous as you type your vile accusations.

Delta
12-26-2007, 09:58 PM
You are calling me shadow now?

Are you a paranoid/schizophrenic?

Delta
12-26-2007, 10:08 PM
You are now really going over the edge.

I don't hate you, I just feel sorry for you.

You need to stop. You really do!

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-28-2007, 08:35 PM
dim-wit, go away...

Delta
12-28-2007, 08:43 PM
This needs to be retitled as the

UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-28-2007, 08:53 PM
Delta wrote:
This needs to be retitled as the

UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD

I have to agree with you there,... no question about it. period.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-28-2007, 08:56 PM
UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD UNFLUSHABLE TOILET THREAD...