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BlueAngel
07-19-2007, 11:06 PM
I read the lyrics to "Come Tomorrow," too.

Sounds like Patti Scailfa is sleeping with someone who is married, but, then again, she's married, too.

How 'bout the song where she commits the ultimate sin and sleeps with a young BOY!?!

It's standard practice in the "music(al) industrial complex. They all sleep with each other.

I don't need to elaborate as to the "sex slave" business within the music industry and the young boys and girls incarcerated to fulfill the sexual deviant behavior of the musicians and play the role of a "muse."

Come on! Take a look at Hollywood. Look at the music industry. It ain't NO secret.

Most of them are TRAMPS!!

Think about their children. Those who are a part of the "satanic cult" do the same to their children that was forced on them.

Pedophiles!

Patti Scailfa got what she wanted.

Riding on Springsteen's shirttails.

As I've questioned. What is wrong with that woman? Allowing her adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt that speaks to ORAL SEX as described in Springsteen's song, "Red-headed Woman."

What is wrong with Springsteen? We already know the answer to that.

Raised in the cult. Worships the Devil. No morals. No conscious. No redeeming values.

She's not referred to as Mrs. Bruce Springsteen.

But, as Patti Scailfa. Whoever the hell that is.

Patti Scailfa got what she wanted and Springsteen got what he deserves.

BlueAngel
07-19-2007, 11:36 PM
Sorry, Magic, but I didn't find the 1976 performance of "Thunder Road" by Springsteen on YouTube incredible.

His voice sounded like sand paper.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a pathetic human being.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 12:24 PM
Don't you love it when a group of men sit around conversing amongst one another as to Springsteen's looks?

They like the scruffy look he wears of late.

OKAY, whatever!

Don't you just love it when they make false statements about Springsteen; such as:

"He's a working class man's hero."

Really?

What's he done for the working class?

How'd he get this HERO label?

What did he do?

He's done much to keep himself out of the working class category like selling his soul to the devil. He's been raking in millions for decades for the wealthy elitists and the "musical industrial complex."

He's a tool they use.

So, what has Springsteen done for the working class?

Nothing, you say. Just what I thought.

What he has done is written non-sensical songs about working at a gas station, refinery, etc., etc.

You know, those make-believe characters he invents to connect with the working class so he appears to be one of them.

Don't you just love it when someone says Springsteen looks like an elder statesman?

Really?

How does an elder statesman look?

Bedraggled and tired like he does?

What's the benefit of looking like an elder statesman, anyway?

Does it make you one?

Don't you love it when someone says that Springsteen is aging well.

Have you looked at recent pictures of him or do you spend your time trapped in the past, as is evident, looking at pictures of him from 30 plus years ago?

Even then he was just average looking.

I wonder the extent of his cosmetic enhancers and hair plants.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 01:46 PM
I've written in this thread about the disinformation that my father was a prison guard at Lackawanna. This, to cover the information, I believe, that Springsteen's father was a prison guard.

I also have disinformation about my father having spent time in prison because he almost killed a man with his bare hands, chocked the life out of him, strangled him, whatever.

I believe this disinformation covers the fact that, perhaps, the BOXER from my past is the person who spent time in jail for almost killing someone.

You know, how many times does a person have to suggest they're going to use a bat on this person, that person, before it's crystal clear that maybe they've done this before or are contemplating doing it again.

Or, that they have violent tendencies.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 02:00 PM
More disinformation and/or information that speaks to this boxer is that he almost killed a man in the ring. Pummeled him to death.

However, not sure, but I don't think this is a punishable crime that would lead to incarceration.

Did he have his boxing license revoked?

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 02:26 PM
Well, now, for clarity. I think the song "Come Tomorrow, by Patti Scailfa, so it says, was released while she was married to Springsteen, but quite possibly about her affair with him while he was married to Julianne.

Like I said, they're well-suited for each other.

But, as far as the break-up of the E Stree Band which I think was after Tunnel of Love, while Springsteen was cheating on Julianne with Patti, maybe it was just decided that the music industry didn't want to keep them on the payroll. It was reported that they received compensation, but as far as their careers, I'm sure this left them in limbo and they haven't really been all that successful on their own.

Perhaps, they thought SOLO Springsteen would be just as good.

Or, maybe the course of his music/lyrics were changed with his marriage to Patti Scailfa.

For good reason, maybe they had to be. You know, certain songs carrying triggers, disinformation as if they're about her.

Don't know.

Don't really care.

Springsteen's works are credited to him other than Live in New York City with the E Street Band and maybe a few others.

They've always been a "Sessions Band."

They come in when needed.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 02:44 PM
The Rumor Mill is in full swing. Creatin' that mystery. People love good mysteries, don't they? They get all wrapped up in them.

WE know that when the Illuminati creates a mystery, it's usually to cover-up the reality.

Spinning tons of disinformation, etc.

All the different versions of his songs; songs he hasn't played, outtakes, etc., just another tactic to keep them guessin.'

Did HE play this one?

Did he play that one?

Where did he play it last?

Has this been released?

Has that been released?

What's this song about?

WOW!!

And...these fanatics actually care. They are so wrapped up in the web of deceit that has been spun around them.

All that "white noise" lifted out at the studio.

Surround a man in mystery, and you've got cult-like followers!

If they only knew!

Soon enough!

P.S. You'll never be in possession of the pictures.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 03:14 PM
This gets even more and more ridiculous as it continues...

Why on earth would a "release date" of an "E Street Band" CD be TOP SECRET as stated by Patti Scailfa in Rome where she is promoting her album or would she be promoting the "E Street Band's" hush, hush album.

I mean, seriously, she's in Europe to promote her CD.

I think she ought to stay in the states.

She once mentioned on a radio talk show when asked something about Springsteen, that it was TOP SECRET, as well.

Are they in the intelligence business or something?

The mind control business, maybe?

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 04:13 PM
Oh, the drama behind this CD! The hype!

It's just a CD forgoodnesssakes!

They've got everybody who follows him chomping at the bit.

Drooling.

Anyway, as far as successful bands breaking up, it serves a purpose.

If the "E Street Band" stayed together after becomming famous and toured every year, they wouldn't prosper the same as they did in the beginning of their fame. The thrill would diminish. They make a killing when the band reunites and they have a "reunion tour" playing all those OLD songs YOU love so much.

Standard practice.

I mean, "E Street" just toured from '99 until 2003. Four years later, and it's another reunion tour.

Wasn't Tunnel of Love a reunion tour, too?

They have the "front man" go out on his own and his fanatics buy his recycled, remastered, reworked, DVD's, etc.

Many times, other musicians within the band go out solo and so they're raking in the cash on both ends.

But, it's the REUNION tours that reap them the greatest reward.

I think that since Mr. and Mrs. Springsteen allow their adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt that reads: "I'm a red-headed woman, promoting oral sex; that speaks to oral sex between her parents, Mrs. Springsteen should wear one, too.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 04:42 PM
Why would any fan of Springsteen's care who he is married to?

Why?

I mean, do they think they're going to marry him one day or something?

Are they jealous of their own free will?

I don't think so.

I think the truth is that many people don't care for Patti's contribution to the band.

Her talent is minimal. So is his.

But, to say they're jealous is narcisistic, at best.

Maybe Scailfa's role in the band serves another purpose.

Perhaps to create the jealousy aspect amongst his brainwashed, infatuated, dream-state fans.

To further the LUST of him.

Many times people want what they can't have and since most of Springsteen's lyrics are about sex, little girls, his female audience (males, too) have been placed in altered BETA states.

They might be LUSTING for him.

They're in his world of mind control. Springsteen sucked them in.

They're both TOOLS!

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 05:05 PM
Ah, come on. He was married to Scailfa and there were rumors of him hooking up with a neighbor.

A neighbor!?!

If you're going to be married to Bruce Springsteen, I guess you have to understand that the man can't "keep it in his pants."

If a man cheats once, most probably he'll cheat again.

On the otherhand, if a woman doesn't mind having an affair with a married man; she can't be trusted either not to stray.

Any word on infidelity on Patti's part?

Perhaps, they have a mutual agreement.

Seems they behave the same.

A match made in heaven.

Two peas in a pod.

Well-suited for one another.

Is this neigbor one of the Jersey 911 women who it was rumored that Springsteen affaired with?

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 05:16 PM
Look, Springsteen was married and caught with his pants off, shirt, too, in his boxers on a balcony with Patti.

I mean, come on!

Classless! Both of them!

Obviously, they have no self-control.

As he said in an interview in 1996:

It's a strange society that assumes it has the right to tell people whom they should love and whom they shouldn't.

Who tells people whom they should love and whom they shouldn't? This was just an excuse for his bizarre behavior. Society told him he couldn't love Patti?

But the truth is, I basically ignored the entire thing as much as I could.

Obviously, you ignored your first wife and the embarrassment must have made you ignore your behavior and, thus, blame it on society and not take responsibility for your actions. But, when have you ever done that?

I said, "Well, all I know is, this feels real, and maybe I have got a mess going here in some fashion, but that's life.

Funny! Mike Apple once said that Springsteen is the person who creates drama/mess in his life.

Did Springsteen tell the crowd in Oregon during the Rising tour; wasn't that 2002? that he had married there once (referring to his wedding to Julianne), shook his head laughing, looks over at Patti and says "What in the hell was I thinking?!?"

Such a disrespectful thing to say, but that is who he is.

Degradation/humiliation of women.

It's not like he didn't humiliate Julianne. I mean, she filed for the divorce. Not him.

I suppose "little girls" suit him best. He can control them.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 07:37 PM
OMG! They're posting questions to a cat on an internet forum. An imaginery one at that. When someone asks what the cat looks like, they answer that MadMel has posted a picture of it.

Talk about make-believe!!!

The cat is asked, "Why are you so quiet this evening, pussy cat? Does Wade have Figgy's tongue?"

Please note the use of the words "Pussy Cat."

Seriously, does the "PUSSY" have to be added? Answer: NO. But, for their purposes it does.

Doesn't get much sicker than this!

Well, it does. But, I've already explained that in this thread.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 07:45 PM
Oh, boy, if the fans in Rome could get close enough to Patti, maybe she could give them some hints about the release of the new CD.

What a tool!

OMG! Is it going to be released on October 2? Please say that it is. Cause, you know, I just won't be able to function unless I have a specific date.

As far as the tour, is it really going to happen? Cause, I mean, you know, Springsteen, solo, Springsteen and the E Street Band, they never release CD's or tour.

It's such a rarity!!

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 08:02 PM
Like the new ESB CD hasn't been confirmed.

Patti Scailfa is confirming it in ROME. If the BOSS' wife says it's so, it must be so. But, remember, it's TOP SECRET.

Praise the LORD!

A new CD is forthcoming from Bruce Springsteen and the "E Stree Band."

What would this world do without them?

It's true. It's true. The "genius," the hero, The Boss; Bruce Springsteen is releasing a new CD of his songs and since the E Street Band members and Springsteen didn't write the lyrics or the music, they'll be rehearsing and practing until the tour.

First, some of the members were in Atlanta recording; then all of the members were there.

Most amazing is that it was all produced in ONE TAKE!!

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Hey, 3 minute...

DO IT NOW!!

Do what now?

Suicide?

I'm never a sad sack.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 08:27 PM
So, 3 minute, who are you, VAST? in a not so brilliant disguise?

Or, are you RedRat, who claims to be Bruce Springsteen?

The rest of you will carry on quite nicely without the likes of a sad sack like me?

The rest of you better get use to the fact that I'm not going anywhere, but you are.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 08:28 PM
Take note:

Sad Sack!

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Springsteen's sheeple have been conditioned to by anything he markets.

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 09:17 PM
Oh, so you want to be somebody's Sugar Daddy?

Wonder who that somebody is!

BlueAngel
07-20-2007, 11:28 PM
What a PIG Springsteen is.

A child molester.

When I watch a youtube video of one of his performanes, those are the only words that come from my mouth.

When I see words of adulation written about him, those are the only words that come from my mouth.

That's how I referred to all of them.

Then and NOW!

PIGS!

Filthy, disgusting, pigs.

Those were the words I used to describe them to my PROTECTORS.

Filthy, disgusting pigs.

It was difficult for me to repeat that which they forced upon me.

As you can imagine, it made me embarrassed. It made me feel dirty and disgusting.

Thankfully, MY PROTECTORS were able to wash away the filth. They were adamant in accepting me for the person I was and not that which was perpetrated upon me against my own free will.

I CAN NEVER THANK YOU ENOUGH!!

You bring tears to my eyes.

If not for you, I don't know if I would still be living, breathing, walking this planet.

You are MEN and WOMEN whom I hold in the utmost of respect.

You saved my life. You saved me from the "satanic cult."

I am approaching 25 years of marriage. I am blessed with three wonderful children and a husband whom GOD descended upon me. A man like no other.

I have fought for my right to be free. I have fought for my right to speak out.

I am here. I have reached that goal.

The time is now.

The man was a PIG then and is a PIG now.

P.S.

Someone posts a thread about liberals getting on a Continental flight and leaving the US since they don't like it here.

This thread calls for this kind of language:

Why don't you just kill yourself, you pathetic troll. It's better than humilating yourself as you do, the c*nt that you are.

This poster is a male, but is referred to as a c*unt.

Gee, I wonder who those words were really directed to!

GOD BLESS YOU to all those behind the scenes working to this end.

May GOD shine his light upon us!

BlueAngel
07-21-2007, 12:25 AM
Springsteen said back in the day:

"BAND WITH A GOOD DEAL OF THE CARNIVAL STILL LEFT IN IT AND ARMED WITH A SET LIST I STILL DARE ANY YOUNG BAND TO MATCH"

How can any band young or otherwise, match another band's setlist unless they cover every song? What a ridiculous statement. But, then, again, with this comment, Springsteen lives up to his love of self personality. I DARE any young band.

BlueAngel
07-21-2007, 09:04 AM
Has Cheney's temporary reign as President expired yet?

Hopefully, the doctors won't make any fatal medical errors while performing Bush's colonscopy.

Although Cheney runs the show; operates behind the scenes; is Bush's puppet master, the thought of that man front and center as Commander in Chief, the President of the United States would be a worse nightmare than we now face.

BlueAngel
07-21-2007, 12:31 PM
http://www.appleseedrec.com

What a do-gooder that Springsteen is. Are we to assume that if HE connects himself with charitable organizations that the man isn't immoral?

BlueAngel
07-21-2007, 08:17 PM
For a fan to say that people are constantly pulling at Springsteen; maybe more than any other figure is really out there.

Pulling at him? Who is pulling at him? More than any other figure? Give me a break!

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Who better than Bruce to better foreign relations?

Since Springsteen is a sexual deviant like the rest of them; a product of Freemasonry, MKULTRA/Project Monarch; lends whatever lyrics and music he ACTUALLY has written, whether in an altered state or not; whether composed by an "engineer" or not, he's nothing more than a "useful idiot" and a TOOL for the NWO.

In addition, he has managed to "blind" his fans to the disgusting pig he is as he portrays himself in his lyrics using the "tricks of the trade."

Since he was my past handler/controller while incarcerated in the music industry when a young child and used as a "sex slave" and for other nefarious purposes in MKULTRA/Project Monarch, I'd say there are hundreds if not thousands of common people, of which he is not, who could better foreign relations BETTER!

The man has no business in politics and should not be allowed around children.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 05:13 PM
Oh, come on!

Bruce Springsteen is NOT the most beloved star in America.

If you think that, well, you've got serious problems.

People who love STARS, musicians in general are usually in an altered state.

You must be!

I'm sure Springsteen LOVES the fact that he sucks/drains the life and love out of all of his followers. Meglomaniac that he is. Sex maniac that he is.

Oh, come on!

The fans want to see Springsteen happy.

Well, certainly, I'm sure his fans have alot of ability in this direction. NOT!

Who cares about Springsteen's mental state of mind? That's his problem.

What casual fan would even care and/or know what his state of mind were?

Only the "brainwashed" followers of THE BOSS would care.

Hey, maybe he's just playing on your emotions like it did on mine!!! Psychologically, emotionally and mentally abusing you!

Yeah, everyday, I'm so emotionally attached to a rock and roll star that I JUST WANT TO SEE HIM HAPPY.

Apparently, you know the MAN ain't happy. You've been living his depressing life with him.

The fans adore him!

Oh, yes!

They adore THE GURU.

That's what it's about when you're brainwashed, live your life through someone elses; and follow them!

On another note, Springsteen should have THOUGHT before he spoke.

Should have thought before he said, "I was married here once," if the words, "what the hell was I thinkin'" are now not to have been directed toward his marriage with Julianne, but what was he thinkin' when he said, "I was married here once," in front of Patti.

Unbelievable!

Like I said, they deserve each other.

Neither has any class!

The husband sings about sex, sex and more sex. Oral sex, anal sex and his wife stands on stage as he does so!

She allows her daughter to wear a t-shirt that speaks to oral sex between her parents.

Like I said, cut from the same cloth!

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 05:17 PM
Why is it WE don't want to piss BRUCE off, 41?

Are there serious reprecussions?

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 05:25 PM
A role model you're not. Agreed!

A psychopath would be more like it along with the rest of your cohorts.

You're not a drug addict, you say, but:

YOU REFUSE TO SUFFER NEEDLESSLY WHEN YOU'RE HURTING---AND YOU GUESS YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO RISK TURNING YOUR LIGHT OUT IN THE PROCESS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR LIFE.

The discussion now in the Political World Cafe has turned to someone being in pain and lengthy discussions of addictive drugs like percocet, oxycontin, etc., with a combination of alcohol and yes, they continue, as on his OFFICIAL site in the RightWingLounge, drinking themselves into stupors.

Supposedly, this person who is in pain from an injury is why the above remark was made.

WE know differently.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 05:41 PM
At this point, whomever is posting under username TIES, is not TIES.

This was also the case on the OFFICIAL site, occassionally with this one particular poster; but was a method of operation for many of the usernames.

The "hmmmmmmm" is being used by Ties now.

I wrote on this thread, after recalling memory of having been used as a child to sexually blackmail Kerry, that Springsteen's site went down. You could see the threads, but were unable to reply.

TIES is the person who said, "Springsteen is one of us" and he was the only person who could post at the time the site went down.

This was mentioned by other posters when the site came back up.

The style of writing when it is TIES is completely different than when it is not. The dialogue as well.

Ties supposedly works at a WalMart. Is in his 20's, but was the only poster able to access Springsteen's official site during the time it went down?????!!!!!

What happened is that after my recall, I sent an email to HIM since I was cut-off from the site.

Nice, right?

I did not receive an email in response. Ties posted a topic and made a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with what I emailed or my recall, but was in response to same.

They couldn't just cut me off at that point. To much was at stake for them, so I was acknowledged.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 06:25 PM
The one who seems to be running the show in the PW Cafe, 2Hearts has posted:

"Here, Figgy, Figgy, Figgy"

She's calling for their IMAGINARY PRETTY KITTY CAT by the name of Figment (Figgy)!

Or, as DNA refers to it:

"Pussy Cat"

Doesn't get any more evident than this, FOLKS!

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 06:43 PM
From backstreets.com newspage:

Patti Scialfa has been in Europe the past week, doing press for her upcoming Play It as It Lays LP (her album doesn't drop until September 4, but when everybody's on vacation in August, you've gotta get this stuff done in July). Yesterday in Rome she spoke with journalist Niccolo Borella for Agr, who tells us that she confirmed an E Street album in the works. Borello asked if, in addition to her own album, she was also working in the studio with her husband and the E Street Band, and she replied: "Mm-hmm. Bruce is just finishing the record now... working on a record, and of course I still work with that, I still work with him. The best of both worlds!" Borello thought he'd push his luck and ask for a release date, but Patti got wise: "Ohhhhh -- top, top secret information!" she said, laughing. See the Corriere Della Sera story here.

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Oh, it's not TOP SECRET INFORMATION. According to Scailfa, it's TOP, TOP SECRET! My goodness, is it CLASSIFIED, too!?! Scailfa is asked if, in addition to her own album, if she's working in the studio with her husband and the E Street Band. Dumb question. She's part of the band. Remember, first it was reported that the members of ESB were in the studio as needed to record their parts; then it was reported that they were all there simultaneously and recorded in one take. Now, when Scailfa is asked about the recording/CD, she stutters. Well, it's such TOP, TOP, SECRET INFORMATION or is it that there's so much disinformation, she doesn't know what to say? Maybe she never went to the studio. I mean, what does she do with that guitar she plays, anyway? Does she really pluck it?

But, anyway, she replies, "Mm-hmm. Bruce is just finishing the record now...working on a record, and of course I still work with that, I still work with him." She still works with THAT? Like I said, dumb question by the interviewer. She is a part of the band. EVERYONE KNOWS a CD is in the works, or finished, or whatever other disinformation, rumors are flying around out there. Seriously, do you think this person was truly interested in her CD or just tryin' to get information from Springsteen's wife about his CD? I say the latter.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 07:04 PM
I'm just confused, by this:

"If you believe in only one thing, make sure its the best songwriter in the world....
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN........"

Firstly, have you read his lyrics? Do you know that he has an obsession with "little girls?"

Do you know that he writes from the perspective of other male and female identities?

Do you know of the song (on this thread) that speaks to incest?

Did you read the lyrics to "I'm on the Prowl?" He's on the prowl for a wild child.

How 'bout "Point Blank?"

Nice imagery in that song.

How 'bout Johnny 99 or Nebraska?

Nice imagery, as well.

Ah, the list goes on and on!

How 'bout all his broken-heart songs? How many freakin' women has this man been with?

Or, little girl "sex slaves?"

Did you see the t-shirt he allows his adolescent daughter to wear, "I'm a red-headed woman" that speaks to oral sex between her parents?

Do you realize that he either has a "ghost writer," writes in altered states and the reason Springsteen stated, "in the end you have to look at a song and not no where it came from?"

Did you read the lyrics to Reno? Written and performed while he is the father of three children that speaks to anal sex involving a threesome? Written and performed while he is married.

Do you realize that he writes degrading lyrics addressing females; such as, "Wendy the Tramp; you ain't a beauty, but you're alright?"

"Hey, little girl is your Daddy home; I'm on fire, only you can cool my desire." Asks if this little girl's Daddy does things to her that only he can do.

Do you see the number of females names he uses in his songs?

Male names?

How 'bout, "My Loverman?" Does he have a loverman?

How 'bout his affair with Patti while he was married and flaunting it in Julianne's face; caught on a balcony with his pants down with Scailfa.

Did you know that Scailfa is sometimes called, "parking lot Patti?"

There are many things to believe in and Bruce Springsteen is not one of them.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 07:10 PM
If a female did not write these LYRICS, why then is Bruce Springsteen telling the male in this song, his LOVERMAN, that he treated him hard; made his heart ache; knows he's only human and men they make mistakes?

The male in this song who hurt Springsteen wants to come back to him because his life with HER turned to black.

He has homosexual tendencies, but something tells me I wrote this song while incarcerated and they would hope that I would recognize it; alter change and be thrust back amongst them.

Like I said, my songs/lyrics remained in their possession as they all do.

The artists own NOTHING that they produce because many times they don't produce their own songs, write their own music. They do not own copyrights, lyrics, NADA!

If they did, they'd have more money than the music mobsters.

My Loverman
Bruce Springsteen

You treated me hard and made my heart ache
I know you're only human, and men they make mistakes
Your life with her turned to black
And now you want our love back
Well come into my arms and fall, my lover man

Was it a gypsy's curse or a hex sign
Or was it just that simple thing that led you from these arms of mine
Oh yes, I've had the days
To grow used to your foolish ways
And what is it really, after all, my lover man

I can see the change in your eyes
There's no need to apologize
We stood at the wishing well
Our dreams like coins into the water fell
The water so cold and black
There was no going back

I don't mean to cause you hurt or cause you pain
Life is short and love's a dirty game
Now there's no need for our game to end
Come close and we'll begin
To find our beautiful selves again, my loverman
My loverman
My loverman

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 07:25 PM
Take note:

Verse from "My Loverman"

"No need to end this game"

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 07:27 PM
The following taken from several posts before this one could be a message about Springsteen:

SAYS THAT HE REFUSES TO SUFFER NEEDLESSLY WHEN HE'S---AND HE'S NOT AFRAID TO RISK TURNING HIS
LIGHT OUT IN THE PROCESS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR LIFE.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 07:33 PM
What adult in their right mind would spend 24/7 on an internet forum playing make-believe?

Those who are in dream-states?

Those who live in dream-states?

Those who are in make-believe land?

Those who are in lala land?

Those who are desperate?

Those who are delusional?

Those who are in need of professional help?

Those who are mind controllers/handlers?

Any and/or all of the above!

"Put the bottle back on the shelf and make sure there is food for the cafe cat."

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 09:26 PM
Pam Springsteen was born on 8 February 1962 in Freehold, New Jersey as part of a big family. Her brother, Bruce Springsteen, became a nationwide rock star in the early 70s and Pam sometimes went on tour with him. When she got older, she became a still photographer and photographed the pictures for his record singles. During the early 80s, she decided to take up acting like her brother's second ex-wife, Julianne Phillips, Julianne Phillips, did during the mid-80s and she had a small role in her first film playing a young cheerleader named "Dina Phillips" in the cult teen comedy classic Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982), and got some brief exposure, as it launched many other future celebrities in the film like Forest Whitaker, Nicolas Cage and James Russo. She then won a supporting role halfway through a film by playing the role of another cheerleader named "Karen Sybern" in the teen drama Reckless (1984), which also starred Aidan Quinn and Daryl Hannah. After a couple of other supporting roles in teen films like Modern Girls (1986) and Scenes from the Goldmine (1987) as well as her TV guest roles in "The Facts of Life" (1979), "Hardcastle and McCormick" (1983) and "Family Ties" (1982); she accepted the lead role in two direct-to-video slasher flick sequels known as Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers (1988) and Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (1989) playing a psychotic killer named "Angela Baker".

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I assume this is inaccurate information unless Springsteen was married to someone before Julianne Phillips of which I am not aware.

Secondly, I've mentioned before that there are several inaccuracies on the web as to Pamela Springsteen's birthdate and, I believe, this is for good reason regarding the song, "The River."

Thirdly, it mentions that she is the sister of Bruce Springsteen, part of a BIG family.

I didn't realize he was from a BIG family.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 09:56 PM
It is a revelation to you that Springsteen has a potty mouth?

You say, he's been known to have a potty mouth.

That's not all I would call it.

What do you think his lyrics portray?

Certainly much worse than a potty mouth.

MadMel provides proof that Springsteen isn't an a**hole because he took time out of his busy schedule to have beer and pizza with some fans after they worked on a Habitat for Humanity project.

Even a**holes drink beer and have pizza. I suppose the beer was more important to him than the pizza.

Afterall, he does have an alcohol problem.

So, if BUSH sat down and had pizza and beer with some supporters, would you consider he wasn't an a**hole, MadMel?

THE PROOF PAST AND PRESENT WILL SHOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS! Exactly how I described him then and now!

Another fan states that Springseen does plenty for the communities to show he is not a bad guy at all.

So, he does this for the communities to PROVE he isn't a bad guy?

Why does he have to PROVE he isn't a bad guy, if he isn't?

Why does he have to make himself look good in this manner?

I've already explained this on page one of this thread and elsewhere.

What does Springsteen do for the communities?

Asks fans to donate to the food bank on their way out of a show?

Or, fans request certain songs of his to be played on a radio station so THEY can then donate to a food bank?

SUCKERS!

They have us donating here, there, everywhere and they are the wealthiest of all.

Like I've said before, if every musician had as much money as they make you believe they do; as much power to change POLITICS, they could commingle their funds, wipe out hunger and get rid of the corrupt government.

But, what have they done?

For decades, led their fans to believe that they have some sort of influence and power to save the world which they do not.

Like I said, musicians raised in the cult; used by the NWO; the music mobsters to further their agenda of immoral indecency among our society particularly targeting our youth; lining their bank accounts with YOUR money while you listen to their filth having your state of consciousness altered during the process.

BlueAngel
07-22-2007, 10:57 PM
This could be a message about Springsteen:

SAYS THAT HE REFUSES TO SUFFER NEEDLESSLY WHEN HE'S IN PAIN AND HE'S NOT AFRAID TO RISK TURNING HIS LIGHT OUT IN THE PROCESS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR LIFE.

The person who wrote this is not the poster who was commenting about being in pain from an injury.

This would go along with other comments made about how FANS JUST WANT SPRINGSTEEN TO BE HAPPY; how they adore him, etc.

I can say this, if Springsteen suicides or dies in a suspicious manner, you'll know why.

konig19
07-23-2007, 01:01 AM
BlueAngel,I must say this thread is interesting even though is pain to read.
155 pages and counting.
I didnt go through it all yet,and I have skipped a lot of boring lyrics.
I cant believe how many song lyrics Springsteen has,how many crap songs he's got is funny.
I dont remember to ever listened to Springsteen,not sure why anybody does anyway.
I like to say one thing to you though,and that is:
Springsteen is not talking to you.You might feel that way but he isnt.You write a lot about you being on Springsteen's fan site or whatever,only to feel like people know who you are in the forums.
I dont think Springsteen ever visits any of his websites,or talks in the forums.
I would suggest you dont go to any Springsteen websites at all,there is no reason to,since you are not some dumb fan.
Dont ever think that humans can read your mind,trust me is not possible,we dont have such abilities.
The Devils can.
Remember this,for your own good.
You say some very interesting, and true things here in your thread,you seem to be very knowledgeable in certain things,yet you are also very confused on others.
Peace.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 10:04 AM
konig19 wrote:
BlueAngel,I must say this thread is interesting even though is pain to read.
155 pages and counting.

Feel free not to read it if it is too painful for you. I mean, we wouldn't want to cause you any distress.

I didnt go through it all yet,and I have skipped a lot of boring lyrics.
I cant believe how many song lyrics Springsteen has,how many crap songs he's got is funny.
I dont remember to ever listened to Springsteen,not sure why anybody does anyway.


I like to say one thing to you though,and that is:
Springsteen is not talking to you.You might feel that way but he isnt.You write a lot about you being on Springsteen's fan site or whatever,only to feel like people know who you are in the forums.

Please show me where I said Springsteen was talking to me. I don't say that I FEEL like people in the forums know me. THEY DO KNOW ME. Sorry, but I KNOW more than you.

I dont think Springsteen ever visits any of his websites,or talks in the forums.

You are entitled to your opinion. But, remember, I am the OPERATIVE not you.

I would suggest you dont go to any Springsteen websites at all,there is no reason to,since you are not some dumb fan.

You can make all the suggestions you like, but I'm FREE to do as I desire.

Dont ever think that humans can read your mind,trust me is not possible,we dont have such abilities.

Why should I trust you? Are you an expert in the field of mind control? Where did I mention anything about humans reading my mind?

The Devils can.

What is the deal with you and the DEVILS? I don't recognize the DEVILS. Never did while I was incarcerated in a "satanic cult" and never will.

Remember this,for your own good.

Remember what for my own good?

You say some very interesting, and true things here in your thread,you seem to be very knowledgeable in certain things,yet you are also very confused on others.

Confused about what and how would you know? Why don't you ENLIGHTEN us all. Remember, I don't need approval from anyone about this thread or what I say regarding my PERSONAL abuse in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and the music industry.
Peace.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 10:07 AM
HERE KONIG19.

This page is for you.

Please enlighten us all about my confusion.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 10:39 AM
Maybe Springsteen should have the common sense to know that he's not putting on a play or an opera during a solo/acoustic show and to expect SILENCE from the audience is ridiculous.

THEY haven't been conditioned to behave in this manner during a rock star's performance.

Nevertheless, Springsteen telling the audience to STFU is the audience's fault, I assume.

Since he's a control freak, and his audience wasn't behaving as he asked, he resorted to colorful language.

He can't have it both ways.

He's known as a ROCK STAR. People go to his E Street Band shows where he's expending all kinds of energy. Yelling, shouting, getting the crowd worked up. PREACHING! Dramatics!

They're suppose to adapt, I assume to whatever it is he DEMANDS!

Don't you guys know this?

I mean, you wouldn't want to make him unhappy or piss him off.

Maybe HE ought to adapt. If he can't put on an acoustic/solo show without complete silence, maybe he shouldn't do it.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 10:42 AM
Now he's responsible for advancing lots of political policy ideas on a "rock star's" unofficial website.

Yeah, those ideas will soon make their way before Congress!

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 04:10 PM
So, who is this FIGMENT (Figgy)? Certainly not an imaginery "pussy cat," pretty LITTLE KITTY CAT who is the Cafe's mascot over at BTX (backstreets.com; Springsteen's unofficial site).

Perhaps, a BETA alter that belongs to a mind control survivor who is no longer MIND CONTROLLED by the handlers/controllers and programmers on Springsteen's unofficial site. Many of the same players from the official site.

Wade has asked Figment, the imaginery "pussy cat," as DNA refers to her, to post something, dear. He just sees his name popping up.

Yes, they want a "kitty cat" to post something on the thread/site.

So, where does Wade see his name popping up?

Here at CC, of course.

redrat11
07-23-2007, 04:57 PM
BA is just plain nuts! :-?

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 06:20 PM
Let's see. RedRat states he is Bruce Springsteen. Displays schizophrenic behavior toward me! There are people on Springsteen's unofficial site (transplants from the official site) asking imaginery "pussy cats," pretty little kitty cats to post there.

Calling for this imaginery cat in this manner:

Here, Figgy, Figgy, Figgy!

I could go on and on as to their mental state, but I've already done that on this thread.

It is OBVIOUS without a doubt who is just plain nuts!

The government of the United States of America who incarcerated me in the "satanic cult;" MKULTRA/Project Monarch; those who tried to handle/control/program me; those who inflicted trauma-based torture upon me; those who raped me; those who used me as a child to sexually blackmail politicians at home and abroad; those who forced me to participate in child pornography; those who attempted to silence, neturalize and contain me through "sadistic torture," those who caged me; those who experimented upon me; those who electroshocked me; those who used me as a "sex slave in the music industry and my main handler, Bruce Springsteen, together with Bob Dylan and Ringo Starr to name a few.

redrat11
07-23-2007, 06:48 PM
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN!

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 07:13 PM
Like I said, I don't really care who you are, but whomever you are, you apparently don't know much about the NWO if you disbelieve that the music industry isn't owned and operated by a bunch of thugs who practice mind control on their musicians and, in turn, their musicians practice mind control on their fans and advance the NWO agenda of an immoral society void of sexual inhibitions and the worship of Satan. The corruption of our species!

For some unknown reason which you have yet to explain, or some reason which is known to US, you would prefer to call me NUTS rather than acknowledge "mind control" and/or mind control within the music industry.

The existence of MKULTRA/Project Monarch is public knowledge. The experimentation on unwitting citizens conducted by the "rogue CIA," the conduit of these grotesque programs; has been acknowledged publicly by President Clinton and during Ted Kennedy's investigation. Colby acknowledged Project Monarch.

The acknowledgement of the "satanic cult," publicly has not yet come to light. But, it shall.

THEY ARE NOT A SECRET! Bluebird, The Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality, by Dr. Colin Ross.

Survivors have written books!

Thousands of people, children/adults have reported SRA and other survivors as to their incarceration in these mind control "CULTS."

Presidio is an example of CHILDREN not being believed when taken from classrooms through underground tunnels and sexually abused; looking for talented and gifted prey; less fortunate, perhaps.

Psychologists coerce CHILDREN through "suggestions" and then use these tactics to discredit their allegations.

THE AMA, the Psychiatric field, etc. has been trained very well to aid the culprits in escaping prosecution and the revelation of what occurs at some schools through underground tunnels.

The depth of the corruption and abuse upon children incarcerated in this "CULT," within the "music industry," pornography, black operations, etc. has not yet been revealed.

But it will be!

AS I HAVE STATED ABOUT YOU and that which is OBVIOUS, you will either fall off the fence that you straddle or get splinters in your behind.

You can't be on both sides at the same time.

IMPOSSIBLE!

Why do you continue to GHOST me on this site?

Why does this thread bother you so?

We already know the answers to these questions, RedRat, but, please feel free to elaborate.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 07:14 PM
redrat11 wrote:
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN!

Then why did you say that you were?

redrat11
07-23-2007, 07:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN!

Then why did you say that you were?

because this is the internet, people say what they want, sorry to mislead you.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 08:05 PM
You didn't mislead me, RedRat. It's not like I believed what you said.

As I've stated, I don't care who you are.

You are for all intents and purposes someone with an interest in protecting Bruce Springsteen and the music industry. This is OBVIOUS!

Yes, this is the internet, but, then again, I am writing about a VERY SERIOUS matter which implicates Bruce Springsteen, the United States government, to name a few who were involved in criminal conduct perpetrated against me as a child/teenager.

And, who were involved in psychological operations while I was a poster on Springsteen's official site.

You should recognize the severity of what I speak and not nonchalantly state that you are Bruce Springsteen.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 09:07 PM
Bruce Springsteen is neither a HERO, a humanitarian or a person with CLASS!!

His songs definitely PROVE he has no class!

Just because he connects himself with a fundraiser and doesn't actually contribute himself, but fans pay to see him, doesn't make him a humanitarian.

He is doing for the music industry what they want him to do. Connecting himself with a cause and RAISING money for the music mobsters.

Makes the music industry and their artists appear to be DO GOODERS!

Ah, MadMel, where did Springsteen work when he was young that you attribute to his working-class upbringing?

He has attached himself to the blue-collar fans by PRETENDING to have been part of the working class?

Yes, he makes up stories about working at the refinery, the gas station, here, there everywhere to find a commonality amongst his fans.

HE IS A STORYTELLER. A Fairy-tale artist. A mind controller/handler. A sex maniac. A meglamaniac and his fans have had the wool pulled over their eyes by him for decades.

He sold his soul to the devil. Money was always more important to him than anything because he came from nothing.

Having no morals or scruples made it easy for him to do so.

Springsteen has never been part of the working class, blue-collar community. He's been in the money since he hit it big with "Born to Run." You know, the song about Wendy, the tramp, the child-like BETA alter of ME back in the day.

Do you have a personal relationship with Springsteen, MadMel?

Just curious cause you insert yourself as if you are his spokesperson whenever a negative comment is made about him at BTX on the Promised Land thread. You know, those posters who haven't been brainwashed into believing he is something he isn't. Those posters who don't worhsip him like a GURU or GOD like figure.

I guess you've got to weazle you're way in there and attempt to mask over the truth they've uncovered.

The Gatekeepers!

Springsteen is corrupted to the CORE!

But, anyway.

His greatest gift as an artist are his compassion and his insight!!

You've got to be kidding???

Compassion about what?

Insight into what?

Little girls, anal and oral sex. Violent songs. Sex, sex and more sex. The degradation of women in his lyrics. The homosexual overtones in his lyrics.

The song about getting Mary pregnant. Who is Mary anyway?

His song about a threesome; his song about the "bittersweet taste of your tongue." His song about oral sex with his wife, "Red headed woman." Or, Ramrod, or Johnny 99, or Nebraska, or Murder, Incorporated. All performed while his wife is on stage and the father of three children.

Springsteen and Scailfa are well-suited for each other. There are no sexual inhibitions when you're in the "cult," and, apparently, Springsteen's children are being exposed to this desensitization by both parent's conduct and behavior.

Maybe you're talking about the songs Sprinsteen sings where he's constantly referring to himself by another male name; speaking to a mister; talking to a Frank.

The songs that make no sense. Maybe it's those songs.

Or, the song where he's on the prowl for a wild child or sings about masturbation and how he still gets a good one off now and again.

Or, the homosexual, "My Loverman" song.

Or, allowing his adolescent daughter to wear a t-shirt that speaks to oral sex between her parents.

That compassion and insight!

WOW!!

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 09:23 PM
MadisonMel is under the impression that Springsteen did a great deal of research for the CD "The Ghost of Tom Joad."

Apparently, he wanted to learn as much as possible about what it was like to be an illegal immigrant. He wanted, and to a great extent, she believes, succeeded in internalizing much of what he learned so that he could write with amazing compassion, insight and clarity about his characters.

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Across the Border
Bruce Springsteen

Tonight my bag is packed
Tomorrow i'll walk these tracks
That will lead me across the border
Tomorrow my love and i will sleep 'neath auburn skies
Somewhere across the border
We'll leave behind my dear
The pain and sadness we found here
And we'll drink from the bravo's muddy water
Where the sky grows grey and wide
We'll meet on the other side
There across the border
For you i'll build a house
High upon a grassy hill
Somewhere across the border
Where pain and memory
Pain and memory have been stilled
There across the border
And sweet blossoms fill the air
Pastures of gold and green
Roll down into cool clear waters
And in your arms 'neath open skies
I'll kiss the sorrow from your eyes
There across the border
Tonight we'll sing the songs
I'll dream of you my coraz_n
And tomorrow my heart will be strong
And may the saints' blessing and grace
Carry me safely into your arms
There across the border
For what are we
Without hope in our hearts
That someday we'll drink from god's blessed waters
And eat the fruit from the vine
I know love and fortune will be mine
Somewhere across the border

[YEP! It takes alot of research to learn that illegal immigrants cross a border and sometimes wait on the other side for their loved ones. So what did Springsteen's research involve? Going to the border and attempting to cross it?

The Ghost of Tom Joad
Youngstown
Bruce Springsteen

Here in northeast ohio
Back in eighteen-o-threejames and dan heaton
Found the ore that was linin' yellow creek
They built a blast furnacehere along the shor
And they made the cannonballs
That helped the union win the war
Here in youngstown
Here in youngstown
My sweet jenny i'm sinkin' down
Here darlin' in youngstown
Well my daddy worked the furnaces
Kept 'em hotter than hell
I come home from 'nam worked my way to scarfer
A job that'd suit the devil as well
Taconite coke and limestone
Fed my children and made my pay
Them smokestacks reachin' like the arms of god
Into a beautiful sky of soot and clay
Here in youngstown
Here in youngstown
My sweet jenny i'm sinkin' down
Here darlin' in youngstown
Well my daddy come on the ohio works
When he come home from world war two
Now the yard's just scrap and rubble
He said "them big boys did what hitler couldn't do.
"these mills they built the tanks and bombs
That won this country's wars
We sent our sons to korea and vietnam
Now we're wondering what they were dyin' for
Here in youngstown
Here in youngstown
My sweet jenny i'm sinkin' down
Here darlin'in youngstown
Here in youngstown
From the monongahela valley
To the mesabi iron range
To the coal mines of appalachia
The story's always the same
700 tons of metal a day
Now sir you tell me the world's changed
Once i made you rich enough
Rich enough to forget my name
And youngstown
And youngstown
My sweet jenny i'm sinkin' down
Here darlin' in youngstown
When I die i don't want no part of heaven
I would not do heaven's work well
I pray the devil comes and take me
To stand in the fiery furnaces of hell

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Read the last verse! Springsteen admits he wouldn't do heaven's work well. This song is sooooo scattered. Here, again, another female. Sweet Jenny. Talking to a sir. No illegal immigrants I've noticed. His Daddy come on the Ohio works. Okay!

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 09:34 PM
Balboa Park
Ghost of Tom Joad
Bruce Springsteen

He lay his blanket underneath the freeway
As the evening sky grew dark
Took a sniff of toncho from his cocaine
And headed thru balboa park
Where the men in their mercedes
Come nightly to employ
In the cool san diego evening
The services of the border boys
He grew up near the zona norte
With the hustlers and smugglers he hung out with
He swallowed their balloons of cocaine
Brought them across to the 12th streetstrip
Sleepin' in a shelter
If the night got to cold
Runnin' from the migra
Of the border patrol
Past the salvage yard 'cross the train tracks
And in thru the storm drain
They stretched their blankets out 'neath the freeway
And each one took a name
There was x-man and cochise
Little spider his sneakers covered in river mud
They come north to california
End up with the poison in their blood
He did what he had to for the money
Sometimes he sent home what he could spare
The rest went to high-top sneakers and toncho
And jeans like the gavachos wear
One night the border patrol swept 12th street
A big car came fast down the boulevard
Spider stood caught in its headlights
Got hit and went down hard
As the car sped away=20
Spider held his stomachlimped to his blanket 'neath the freeway
Lay there tasting his own blood on his tongue
Closed his eyes and listened to he cars
Rushin' by so fast

YEP! Springsteen must have done alot of research on the topic of drug smugglin' at the border cause the lyrics to this song provide such insight and clarity into this business.

Bruce Springsteen
Album: Ghost Of Tom Joad
Title: The Ghost Of Tom Joad

Men walkin' 'long the railroad tracks
Goin' someplace there's no goin' back
Highway patrol choppers comin' up over the bridge
Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin' 'round the corner
WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER
Families sleepin' in their cars in the southwest
No home no job no peace no rest
The highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Searchin' for the ghost of tom joad
He pulls a prayer book out of his sleeping bag
Preacher lights up a butt and takes a drag
Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
Got a one-way ticket to the promised land
You got a hole in your belly and gun in your hand
Sleepin' on a pillow of solid rock
Bathin' in the city aqueduct
The highway is alive tonight
Where it's headed everybody knows
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Waitin' on the ghost of tom joad
Now tom said "mom, wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries
Where there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me mom i'll be there
Wherever there's somebody fightin' for a place to stand
Or a decent job or a helpin' hand
Wherever somebody's strugglin' to be free
Look in their eyes mom you'll see me."
Well the highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
With the ghost of old tom joad

IN THIS SONG, SPRINGSTEEN THROWS IN THE LINE, WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

He's welcoming all who listen to him to the New World Order. How nice!

Completely out of place/context, but so are most of the songs in the CD.

Sounds likes he's completely altered, scattered, all over the place!!

Anyway, second time in this CD so far that he references the Promised Land. Some reference in this song or the one before about Frank showing him the ropes. I think he's referring to Sinatra.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 09:37 PM
The Ghost of Tom Joad
Dry Lightning
Bruce Springsteen

I threw my robe on in the morning
Watched the ring on the stove turn red
Stared hypnotized into a cup of coffee
Pulled on my boots and made the bed
Screen door hangin' off its hinges
Kept bangin' me awake all night
As i look out the window
The only thing in site
Is dry lightning on the horizon line
Just dry lightning and and you on my mind
I chased the heat of her blood
Like it was the holy grail
Descend beautiful spirit
Into the evening pale
Her appaloosa's
Kickin' in the corral smelling rain
There's a low thunder rolling'cross the mesquite plain
But there's just dry lightning on the horizon line
It's just dry lightning and and you on my mind
I'd drive down to alvarado street
Where she'd dance to make ends meet
I'd spend the night over my gin
As she'd talk to her men
Well the piss yellow sun
Comes bringin' up the day
She said 'ain't nobody can give nobody
What they really need anyway.'
Well you get so sick of the fightin'
You lose your fear of the end
But i can't lose your memory
And the sweet smell of your skin
And it's just dry lightning on the horizonline
Just dry lightning and and you on my mind

Must have done alot of reserach about "dry lightning" on the border. Sounds like again, he's pining for a woman he doesn't have. Same ole' same ole'

The Ghost of Tom Joad
My Best Was Never Good Enough
Bruce Springsteen

'every cloud has a silver lining, every dog has his day.
'she said 'now don't say nothin'
If you don't have something nice to say
The tough now they get going when the going gets
Tough.'
But for you my best was never good enough
'now don't try for a home run baby
If you can get the job done with a hit
Remember a quitter never wins
And a winner never quits
The sun don't shine on a sleepin' dog's ass.'
And all the rest of that stuff
But for you my best was never good enough
'if god gives you nothin' but lemons then you make some lemonade
The early bird catches the fuckin' worm,=20
Rome wasn't built in a day
Now life's like a box of chocolatesyou never know what you're going to get
Stupid is as stupid does' and the rest of that shit
Come on pretty baby call my bluff
'cause for you my best was never good enough

Nothin' about illegal immigrants here. Unless, again, another woman he's pining for in this song, or should I say, "little girl," is an illegal immigrant.

BlueAngel
07-23-2007, 10:24 PM
DNA insinuates that the bulk of his searing wit doesn't originate from a state of complete sobriety.

He refers to Pinot noir - - for muses that snooze. <sip><sip>

Do I detect a suggestion here to one of Springsteen's past "sex slave" muse's who would be me?

One cannot be their own muse. A muse is a woman who inspires a creative artist.

The other night, my husband and I were talking about opening a bottle of Pinot noir.

So, who is DNA talking to?

Wouldn't be the first time on the unofficial site they've given indication that they are still listening and watching.

konig19
07-23-2007, 11:28 PM
[quote]
BlueAngel wrote:
[quote]
Please show me where I said Springsteen was talking to me. I don't say that I FEEL like people in the forums know me. THEY DO KNOW ME. Sorry, but I KNOW more than you.
You did say that it must have been Springsteen who posted some crap since the site was locked down or something and he only could,as far as I remember.
OK,they know that you are alleged Springsteen mind control victim,I wasnt sure.
What do you know more than me?Why act like a child in first place.
By the way what use is knowledge when its nothing but lies.


I would suggest you dont go to any Springsteen websites at all,there is no reason to,since you are not some dumb fan.
You can make all the suggestions you like, but I'm FREE to do as I desire.
Thats fine BlueAngel,but why do you go to Springsteen websites?
It would be nice to know,as long as you dont have a problem answering this question.


Dont ever think that humans can read your mind,trust me is not possible,we dont have such abilities.
Why should I trust you? Are you an expert in the field of mind control? Where did I mention anything about humans reading my mind?
Maybe because Im speaking the truth.You are free to make up your own mind though.
Im not an expert in mind control,but Thanks God, I know a lot how a mind works though,much better than most people.


The Devils can.
What is the deal with you and the DEVILS? I don't recognize the DEVILS. Never did while I was incarcerated in a "satanic cult" and never will.
:) Im just saying the truth.Devils do exist,and in order to understand how a mind works its impossible to understand it,unless we accept this fact.
Do you even know what Satanic Cult stands for,or what it means?
Do you have any idea how people end up having split personality,or how people can do things while not being aware of ever done it?
You ignore the most important fact in mind control the reason you still dont have control of your own mind.
Im sure you read this,but you choose to ignore it as always.And you like doing it :)
Project Monarch
by Ron Patton
Project MONARCH could be best described as a form of structured dissociation and occultic integration, in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a Satanic ritual, usually including Cabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the corresponding alter(s). Of course, most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim. negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs.

Notice how he describes the process,and how he notes that demons are being attached to corresponding alters.And that is exactly what happens.The devils,again being nothing mysterious other than being invisible creatures to us,who are pretty stupid and can be recruited to posses people and take control over them.
Notice the fact how demons are downplayed right after stating that they are used.
People will believe anything before they believe devils exist.



Remember this,for your own good.

Remember what for my own good?
The fact that devils can read our mind,can affect our feelings,can talk to us,only for the ignorant once to think they just went crazy.
This is very important for people to understand,even more so in your case.

You say some very interesting, and true things here in your thread,you seem to be very knowledgeable in certain things,yet you are also very confused on others.

Confused about what and how would you know? Why don't you ENLIGHTEN us all. Remember, I don't need approval from anyone about this thread or what I say regarding my PERSONAL abuse in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and the music industry.
You are confused with many things but so are most people,its what happens when we reject the truth.
You acknowledge the devils but you wont accept the fact that they do exist.You just cant get yourself do do that.
People tend to think thats cool.
Not until people believe in God,will there be justice in this world.
God is the truth,religion is the the truth,unfortunately most people hate the truth.
Religion has been corrupt,and is being attacked,and downplayed,constantly.
And most people are way to happy to play along.
People need to wake up,and think.

Peace BlueAngel,dont hate,but think.
Say;I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

konig19
07-24-2007, 04:39 AM
Is there no admin here?
How come nobody got rid of those sick pictures on page 132?
Homosexuality is disgusting,evil,sick,ugly,degrading,immoral act.Homo pictures just go on to prove it.
I have to say though,I've seen all those exact pictures before, as well the black kid.While playing Counter Strike Source,the online Multiplayer shooting game.I play it a lot when Im bored.
http://cs.mabsoftware.ch/cs_source/gallery/image2.png
that game
In the game anybody can spray a picture on the walls while playing,any picture that is.
Thus kids end up spraying lots of porn pictures.
But than somebody always logs into the server,only to spray most disgusting pictures ever,usually is gay porn,or some sick women pictures.
Scary thing is even 11 year olds play that very game.
Those people though only have one thing in mind though,and that is to expose kids to all kind of sick images and acts.
Those people are possessed,as BluAngel would say in an altered state :)
I seek Refuge in God from satan the rejected.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 10:42 AM
BlueAngel wrote:

Please show me where I said Springsteen was talking to me. I don't say that I FEEL like people in the forums know me. THEY DO KNOW ME. Sorry, but I KNOW more than you.

Konig19 said:

You did say that it must have been Springsteen who posted some crap since the site was locked down or something and he only could,as far as I remember.

BlueAngel said:

Sorry, you are wrong. I never said it was Springsteen who posted when the site was locked down.

Konig19 said:

OK,they know that you are alleged Springsteen mind control victim,I wasnt sure.
What do you know more than me?Why act like a child in first place.

BlueAngel said:

What do I know more than you? I was a mind control victim incarcerated in the music industry as a sex slave and a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch. Since I possess knowledge and intelligence as an OPERATIVE; since this thread and many other threads of which I am the author impart that knowledge and intelligence, I would say this is why I know more than you. If you know more than me and my experience/abuse in this "satanic cult," then post it and stop acting like a child.

Konig19 said:

By the way what use is knowledge when its nothing but lies.

BlueAngel said:

My knowledge are not lies. Why would you want this to be the case? Some interest in protecting Springsteen, et. al. would be the only assumption one could ascertain from this statement.

Konig19 said:

I would suggest you dont go to any Springsteen websites at all,there is no reason to,since you are not some dumb fan.

BlueAngel said:

You can make all the suggestions you like, but I'm FREE to do as I desire.

Konig19 said:

Thats fine BlueAngel,but why do you go to Springsteen websites?

BlueAngel said:

I think it's obvious why I go there. Have you not read my posts in this thread pertaining to certain posts at BTX? Why do you care what websites I visit? Why do you think I have solicited advice from you?

Konig19 said:

It would be nice to know,as long as you dont have a problem answering this question.

BlueAngel said:

I just answered it, but it's really none of your business.

Konig19 said:

Dont ever think that humans can read your mind,trust me is not possible,we dont have such abilities.

BlueAngel said:

Why should I trust you? Are you an expert in the field of mind control? Where did I mention anything about humans reading my mind?

Konig19 said:

Maybe because Im speaking the truth.You are free to make up your own mind though.
Im not an expert in mind control,but Thanks God, I know a lot how a mind works though,much better than most people.

I'm really not interested in whether or not humans can read other human's minds and I'm well aware that I can make up my own mind. Tell us why it is that you know much better than most people how the mind works.

Konig19 said:

The Devils can.

BlueAngel said:

What is the deal with you and the DEVILS? I don't recognize the DEVILS. Never did while I was incarcerated in a "satanic cult" and never will.

Konig19 said:

:) Im just saying the truth.Devils do exist,and in order to understand how a mind works its impossible to understand it,unless we accept this fact.

BlueAngel said:

Sounds like you're a product of a "satanic cult" where the devil is accepted as fact! I'm not trying to understand how the mind works so, therefore, the acceptance of the devil never was and never will be in my life.

Konig 19 said:

Do you even know what Satanic Cult stands for,or what it means?

BlueAngel said:

Have you read this thread? Apparently not. It's not all that complicated.

Konig19 said:

Do you have any idea how people end up having split personality,or how people can do things while not being aware of ever done it?

BlueAngel said:

Apparently you haven't read this thread. Why don't you ask Springsteen about that.

Konig19 said:

You ignore the most important fact in mind control the reason you still dont have control of your own mind.

BlueAngel said:

Is there some reason you suggest I don't have control of my mind?

Konig19 said:

Im sure you read this,but you choose to ignore it as always.And you like doing it :)

BlueAngel said:

I posted Ron Patton's article on this site. Of course, I've read it. What is it you say I choose to ignore and what do you think I like doing?

Project Monarch
by Ron Patton

Project MONARCH could be best described as a form of structured dissociation and occultic integration, in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a Satanic ritual, usually including Cabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the corresponding alter(s). Of course, most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim. negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs.

Konig19 said:

Notice how he describes the process,and how he notes that demons are being attached to corresponding alters.And that is exactly what happens.The devils,again being nothing mysterious other than being invisible creatures to us,who are pretty stupid and can be recruited to posses people and take control over them.
Notice the fact how demons are downplayed right after stating that they are used.
People will believe anything before they believe devils exist.

BlueAngel said:

Anyone who acknowledges the DEVIL as you do is a part of "satanic" worship as far as I'm concerned. Do you notice that he says most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs? So, not in my case!

Konig19 said:

Remember this,for your own good.

BlueAngel said:

Remember what for my own good?

Konig19 said:

The fact that devils can read our mind,can affect our feelings,can talk to us,only for the ignorant once to think they just went crazy.
This is very important for people to understand,even more so in your case.

Devils can READ YOUR MIND, can affect YOUR
feelings, can talk to you, can make you crazy. This is apparent in your belief system. Your belief system is not MINE.

Konig19 said:

You say some very interesting, and true things here in your thread,you seem to be very knowledgeable in certain things,yet you are also very confused on others.

BlueAngel said:

Confused about what and how would you know? Why don't you ENLIGHTEN us all. Remember, I don't need approval from anyone about this thread or what I say regarding my PERSONAL abuse in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and the music industry.

Konig19 said:

You are confused with many things but so are most people,its what happens when we reject the truth.
You acknowledge the devils but you wont accept the fact that they do exist.You just cant get yourself do do that.
People tend to think thats cool.

BlueAngel said:

I'm not confused, but, it's apparent you are. I don't acknowledge the devil in my life, but for some reason, you'd like me to just as they do in the "satanic cult." People tend to think it's cool not to acknowledge the devil? Why would they want to acknowledge the devil in lieu of GOD? So, they can be corrupted like Springsteen, et. al. immorally, psychologically, etc. People who acknowledge the devil in the form and manner that you do, in my opinion, practice satanism. You sound like a devil worshipper.

Konig19 said:

Not until people believe in God,will there be justice in this world.

BlueAngel said:

So, you have all the answer to justice in the world. WOW!! Maybe you better start with yourself as to the GOD theory and stop advertising the DEVILS!!

Konig19 said:

God is the truth,religion is the the truth,unfortunately most people hate the truth.
Religion has been corrupt,and is being attacked,and downplayed,constantly.
And most people are way to happy to play along.
People need to wake up,and think.

BlueAngel said:

If GOD is the truth in your world, why then do you play into Satan's hands? Promote him?

Konig said:

Peace BlueAngel,dont hate,but think.

Again, you can advise me all you want, but I don't take advice from anonymous internet posters, don't need it, don't use it. As far as hating. That's my business and I always have my thinking cap on.

Konig19 said:

Say;I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

Well, since I'm not a satan worshipper, not possessed by demons, I don't need to say that and I'm not a parrot either. But, I think you should. It may help you.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 10:47 AM
That is my last communication.

A waste of my precious time.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 01:37 PM
Oh, yes, such a religious experience at an E Street Band show!

All those songs Springsteen sings about lusting for "little girls," anal sex, oral sex, threesomes, incest, homosexual references, violent songs, etc., etc., etc.

Just like being in Church!

You're absolutely right, you are transcended from reality!

You follow an immoral person who worships "Satan" and who practices sexual deviant behavior.

Absolutely right, too, about being among Springsteen's flock at a show. Flock of sheep that would be!

DNA posts a long comment about how to go about securing very good seats for a Springsteen show.

This is the last sentence at the end of the explanation:

There's plenty of knowledge to be shared with you about what options you have at your disposal. It's up to you.

Enough!

When Springsteen lost the grammy for "The Rising," during his first tour show he said something like:

"I'd like to thank effing nobody."

A fan views this comment as wit. I view it as a lack of class and intelligence.

The media takes Springsteen seriously about what?

When he was doing a show during the "Vote for Change" tour and he told the people at home to take off their clothes and scream Haliburton at the television set?

Obviously, his followers are so brainwashed, they probably did take their clothes off and scream Haliburton at the television set.

Is he going to ask them to drink Kool-aid next?

No one cares what Springsteen says except for his followers.

They think he has some kind of power. But, the only power he has is over his followers.

CULT leader that he is.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 02:49 PM
Gee, I wonder what all this make-believe drinking is about in the Political World Cafe and the worshipping of their HERO (Springsteen) talk to go along with it.

??

Either they're a bunch of alcoholics or hoping for something else to come to fruition that WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 02:54 PM
YEP! If Springsteen is going to be touring, you better start saving your pennies.

All those flights and tickets add up when you have to follow your "CULT" leader all around the world.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

One poster is happy that the Canadian dollar has hit a historical high. Not great for Americans coming their way, but FANTASTIC for them if Bruce is going to be touring.

Costs them so much to flock to Springsteen like sheep that they're thirlled when their dollar hits an all time high.

They just keep stuffin' the pockets of their CULT leader and the music mobster's, too so they can worship a sexual deviant.

YEP! That Springsteen, he's just like one of you. Blue-collar, middle-class worker.

He has to save his pennies, too!

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't say that the flock gets bigger and bigger. More appropriate would be that the flock will be thinning very soon!

Quite dramatically, I might add.

Springsteen's music is a little bit of heaven here on earth, you say.

You've got to be kidding, but you're not, cause you're a controller and a part of Springsteen's sick world!

Springsteen describes himself to the tee in his lyrics.

Depressed, schizophrenic, alter personalities, scattered, obsessed with "little girls," more women/girls in his life than can be counted on fingers and toes; sexual deviant, homosexual tendencies; violent songs, degradation of females, etc., etc., etc.

He worships Satan; welcomed all to the NWO in one of his TOM JOAD songs, is part of the CULT, the cult leader, sings about threesomes, masturbation, oral and anal sex and is the father of three children. All this with his wife by his side.

YEP! Springsteen's music is just like a little bit of heaven on Earth cause he's your corrupt/satanic GOD and you worship him. Isn't that the way when you're mind controlled? Your handler is suppose to be a GOD-like figure.

I just could never get passed that or THE BOSS label.

Your CULT leader practices the same mind control on his sheeple to a lesser degree as he did on me.

Mine involved physical, emotional, mental and sexual abuse.

The list goes on and on.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 05:26 PM
I WONDER WHY SPRINGSTEEN SAID; WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER IN ONE OF HIS 'GHOST OF TOM JOAD' SONGS. COULD IT BE BECAUSE HE IS A PART OF THE NWO? COULD IT BE BECAUSE HE IS WHAT I SAY THAT HE IS?

THE ANSWER IS CLEAR. CRYSTAL CLEAR.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 05:33 PM
Seriously, Springsteen welcomes his sheeple to the NWO. The NWO that just might get them killed and they follow him blindly.

Remember, BLIND FAITH IN ANYTHING CAN GET YOU KILLED.

From the mouth of a man who welcomes his fans to the NWO.

UNBELIEVABLE, but, nonetheless, TRUE!

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 05:37 PM
Remember, Springsteen follows a CODE OF SILENCE. THEY all do. DYLAN AND BILLY JOEL sing about a Code of Silence, as well. I'm sure there are many more songs with the same theme by other artists.

Dylan's more precise. He and his friends speak the same language. Share the same code.

Now, why do you suppose they follow a Code of Silence, speak the same language?

BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF THE SATANIC CULT. TOOLS FOR THEIR MASTERS. PUPPETS ON A STRING. USEFUL IDIOTS. SATAN WORSHIPPERS.

Remember, Dylan said, someday you're gonna have to serve somebody. Could be the devil! and, sometimes Satan comes dressed as a man of peace.

And, EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED!!!

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 07:35 PM
Straight Time
Ghost of Tom Joad
Bruce Springsteen

Got out of prison back in '86 and i found a wife
Walked the clean and narrow just tryin' to stay out and stay alive
Got a job at the rendering plant, it ain't gonna make me rich
In the darkness before dinner comes
Sometimes i can feel the itch
I got a cold mind to go tripping across that thin line
I'm sick of doin' straight time
My uncle's at the evenin' table, makes his living runnin' hot cars
Slips me a hundred dollar bill says
"charlie you best remember who your friends are.
"got a cold mind to go trippin' 'cross that thin line
I ain't makin' straight time
Eight years in it feels like you're gonna die
But you get used to anything
Sooner or later it just becomes your life
Kitchen floor in the evening tossin' my little babies high
Mary's smiling but she's watching me out of the corner of her eye
Seems you can't get anymore than half free
I step out onto the front porch and suck the cold air deep inside of me
Got a cold mind to go trippin' 'cross that thin line
I'm sick of doin' straight time
In the basement huntin' gun and a hacksaw
Sip a beer and thirteen inches of barrel drop to the floor
Come home in the evening, can't get the smell from my hands
Lay my head down on the pillow
And go driftin' off into foreign lands

------------------------------------------------

Yep! Another song about illegal immigrants after much research by Springsteen.

Actually, this song is pretty creepy. More made up characters with some reality, I suppose.

In the darkness, he says, before dinner comes sometimes he can feel the itch. He's got a COLD mind to go tripping across that thin line.

What thin line? Itch for what?

He goes into the basement huntin' for a gun and a HACKSAW. Comes home and can't get the smell from his hands.

WOW!! Did he kill somebody?

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 07:41 PM
Highway 29
The Ghost of Tom Joad
Bruce Springsteen

I slipped on her shoe, she was a perfect size 7
I said "there's no smokin' in the store ma'am"she crossed her legs and then
We made some small talk that's where it should have stopped
She slipped me her number, i put it in my pocket
My hand slipped up her skirt
everything slipped my mind
In that little roadhouse
On highway 29
It was a small town bank it was a mess
Well i had a gun you know the rest
Money on the floorboards, shirt was covered in blood
And she was cryin', her and me we headed south
On highway 29
In a little desert motel the air was hot and clean
I slept the sleep of the dead, i didn't dream
I woke in the morning, washed my face in the sink
We headed into the sierra madres 'cross the border line
The winter sun shot thru the black trees
I told myself it was all something in her
But as we drove i knew it was something in me
Something that had been comin' for a long time
And something that was here with me now
On highway 29
The road was filled with broken glass and gasoline
She wasn't sayin' nothin', it was just a dream
The wind was coming silent thru the windshield
All i could see was snow, sky and pines
I closed my eyes and was runnin'
I was runnin' then i was flyin'

---------------------------------------------

Yep! Another song that required in-depth research into the life of an illegal immigrant. In this song, he robs a bank. ANOTHER KILL!

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 07:50 PM
I don't know how it was accomplished. Could have been my mother, although a very sick person mentally, emotionally and physicall, probably having suffered much the same as I, may have been attempting to cooperate with my protectors.

I believe there are pictures of me "battered and bruised."

It was said that when I came home, I returned with bruises/bruise marks all over my body.

It was explained that I "bruised" easily when anyone inquired or I was clumsy.

"Whenever he brings her back home, she returns with bruises all over her body." She hasn't eaten for days, sometimes, or had much to drink. My mother would say that she had to "nurse me back to health."

I couldn't eat. I couldn't drink. I had been traumatized much of the time when I was with him and/or by whomever he brought me to (THE GOONS).

Shaking from fear, staring into space, unable to speak without my jaw tight and forcing the words through clenched teeth.

Catatonic state. Glazed over eyes. Able to see everyone who was around me, in reality, but unable to connect.

Once I did connect, listening in and hearing me recall, the same would occur.

Ongoing cycle or they would shut my trap forever. For good. Sew my lips together. Make mince meat out of me. Cut me up in little pieces and feed me to the sharks if they ever heard me mention Springsteen's name again to anyone.

If they ever heard me tell anyone about THEM.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Is there a "Killer Joe" in one of Springsteen's songs?

And, what is a "killer in the sun?"

A KILLER, I would assume, who is in the sun.

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 08:52 PM
Well, now, you say that Springsteen can't be as vocal about the war as other musicians who have a smaller fan base because he would be offending too many people.

But, as his followers, you've said that he's doing what he wants to do. He can do whatever he likes.

So, why does he have to worry about offending his fan base?

OOOOhhhhh, maybe he might have a loss of revenue for himself and the music mobsters? Afterall, he does have to fulfill his lucrative contract and if ticket sales and CD sales aren't in par, he doesn't prosper to the tune of 10 million as the fine print states.

Funny, huh? You would think a person with so much money might want to retire from the music business for a while.

NOPE! He can't. He's a CASH COW! Well, for now, but seems he's days are numbered.

As far as Springsteen being vocal about the war, the most he's said is, "I don't like the President's foreign policy."

Who does? I could have said that on national television with Ted Koppel.

He's not a "political spokesperson." No one cares what he says except his brainwashed fans cause they're in "la la" land thinking he's something he's not.

He also said, "Impeach the President." Great suggestion. Wind up with Cheney.

Again, the VFC tour was about appearance. Just like their charity benefits are about appearance. Not to look like one of THEM.

Appearance, appearance, appearance. Keep the fans thinking they're DO GOODERS, working for a cause.

The Banksters cause! The "satanic cult's" cause, the NWO agenda, the Music Industrial Complex Cause, the music mobster's cause.

None of Springsteen's songs since the war speak to the war.

If they do, they are either subjective or cryptic which is the case with many of his lyrics that are suppose to be about a certain theme. Such as "Born in the USA."

Many times the lyrics can't be interpreted by the general public, so the word is sent out that "Devils and Dust" is about the war.

"Bring THEM HOME" is not a Springsteen song. "The Rising" is not about the war. As far as all of the songs on that CD being about 911, this is not true. Many are cryptic and subjective as well.

He cashed in on the country's horror!!!

BlueAngel
07-24-2007, 09:30 PM
THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING. YOU HAD BEST REMOVE YOUR WEAPONS!!!

konig19
07-25-2007, 06:02 AM
BlueAngel,I posted here only to try and help you understand things better.
You can keep on saying you dont need my advice as much as you want, I dont care,and I dont care if you believe me or not.
But I just wanted you to know some of the things Im saying ,than you can make up your own mind about it all,there are others who read this thread as well.
Dont believe me.
Thats all good.
It dont bother me.

You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..
But what I cant understand is you using the word devil,satan,satanic cult,satan worshipers,,on and on.
You even go on to say this quote;
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist."
Why?Whats the point in saying that?
When you clearly dont believe that they do exist.

The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.
So by using those words in your speech all the time you acknowledge that they do exist.
If I was you I wouldnt use those word than.

I am not into any sect or cult,I reject the devils.
I only Worship God, my Lord,my Creator, Lord of the Universe.
The deal with me and the devils is that I believe,I know that they exist,just like God says that they exist,and warns us about them.
I have nothing to do with Springsteen,gah...
You can be sure Angel Im got nothing to do with people like that,God Forbid.
I dont expect you to take my advice,yes Im anonymous just like you are,and being anonymous has nothing to do what somebody says.It is not the way to judge what somebody is saying.
I dont know if you believe in God or not BlueAngel,I got the impression that you do,yet in some of your responses to me you clearly dont sound like it.
Im not falling into satans hands,if you think I am please let me know why that is, so can take the right actions.
That Ron Patton's article describes how demons are attached to corresponding alters,right.You said you read it but you dont accept it as true.
I do notice that the downplays the demons,as being nothing but a scare tactic,but thats not true.
He is just tricking himself into believing demons dont exist like most people do,even though he described demons as being used in the process.

There wont be justice in this world until people believe,and worship God alone.
Even the Protocols state this fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet those who wrote and follow the Protocols are clearly no believers.
But it is important for them to do everything possible to mislead people away from God.
People need to wake up.

You are right those in satanic cults do believe in devils,but they think they are some kind of advanced creatures who can benefit them,if they serve them.
They think that are the special few who know the unseen,they think they are better than most,and see no problem in doing all the evils things they practice.


When I said what use its knowledge when its all just lies.
You can take that more as a quote than something being said to you directly.
Im not anybody who is trying to protect Springsteen,by calling you a lier.
I dont know if it really is true what you are saying or not,I dont have any evidence to make any conclusions.
But I do trust you that most of the song lyrics are really bad,like you have shown.
And I wouldnt be to surprised if most of what you are saying that has happened to you was true.


I believe in God,I trust God,and I follow God's Guidance,and I thank God for guiding me.
God has explained all the things to us that are important for us to attain salvation.
God is the Truth,God Words are the Truth,and God's Guidance is the best guidance.
When we reject God,turn our backs to God,we reject the truth.
Therefore we can not understand many things in our life,but end up following lies,and opinions.
God says:There is only one Truth,everything else is conjecture and guesswork.Conjecture is no substitute for the truth.
God warns us about the devils,saying:The devils are your most ardent enemy so treat them as such.
Devils are part of Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.
In fact all those religions are one,is just that all have been corrupt.
The Bible,the Torah,and the Quran are all God Scriptures.
We can find truth in all God's Scriptures but need to be aware that people have made up lies(in some scriptures) and attributed them to God.
The Quran being the last,and only Scripture God has promised to protect from any corruption.
It is Guidance for all Mankind,but sadly most people dont follow it,most Muslims dont follow it.
Satan has tricked most Muslims into following man made books,like the so called Sunna instead of the Quran,thus people end up as disbelievers ,confused.
Its satan system to mislead mankind astray,and away from God.
The devil is a Master Hypnotist.

Here I will post some verses from the Quran:
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."
He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]
(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]
"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]
And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity en masse. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Im sorry for making this long,and for copying part of an article from a website,you can find the short article here, http://submission.org/satan/hypnosis1.html also the verses I posted above are from this site.
The devils play a big part the way we sometime think,the way we behave and act,they can even take control of people,and we call that possession.
When we know and understand these things we can understand the world better.


If there is a question I didnt answer you ,let me know.
I didnt quote any of your responses but hopefully you can find an answer to your questions above.
Not expecting you to to believe me and Im not forcing my beliefs upon you or anyone.
All Im doing is pointing out to you that those invisible creatures we call devils do exist and are a big part of mind control,even Ron Patton states this fact only to downplay it right after.
But oh well,nothing surprising there.

I wont post here no more unless I have to,this post is just to clarify things,like what I believe and so on.As well to answer some of your accusations :)

Peace BlueAngel.

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils. And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me." [23:97-98]
Praise be To God,Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 10:36 AM
BlueAngel,I posted here only to try and help you understand things better.

Understand what better? So far your batting average is zero. Clear and concise would be what is required.

You can keep on saying you dont need my advice as much as you want, I dont care,and I dont care if you believe me or not.

Of course I don't need your advise. I have no idea why you think that I would or that I would want it. I have no idea what it is you want me to believe? Your beliefs about devils? If so, I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR BELIEFS.

But I just wanted you to know some of the things Im saying ,than you can make up your own mind about it all,there are others who read this thread as well.
Dont believe me.
Thats all good.
It dont bother me.

This thread and my energy is focused as to MY EXPERIENCE/ABUSE incarcerated in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and my abuse in the music industry as a "sex slave." If you have something to add in that regard, do so. Otherwise, the rest of what your writing is of no interest to me whatsoever. It shouldn't bother you if someone doesn't believe in your belief system. If other people read this thread and believe whatever it is you think you have imparted, so be it. That's their choice.

You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..

No. I don't and you shouldn't have a problem with anything I believe or don't believe. It is of no importance to me whether you understand or not.

But what I cant understand is you using the word devil,satan,satanic cult,satan worshipers,,on and on.

Why not? It is a "satanic cult." Who do you think they worship? GOD?

You even go on to say this quote;
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist."

I DID NOT SAY THAT. A POSTER AT BTX, SPRINGSTEEN'S UNOFFICIAL SITE WHO WAS ALSO A POSTER AT THE OFFICIAL SITE, VASTRIGHTWINGCONSPIRACY, KNOWN AS VAST POSTED THAT AND I STATED SO IN MY COMMENT. PLEASE BE ACCURATE WITH YOUR QUOTES.

Why?Whats the point in saying that?
When you clearly dont believe that they do exist.

SEE ABOVE COMMENT AND ASK VAST WHAT HIS POINT IS IN STATING THAT.

The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.

Who are we? You may believe there are invisible creatures that YOU call by that name. But, I don't and many others don't either.

So by using those words in your speech all the time you acknowledge that they do exist.
If I was you I wouldnt use those word than.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CULT WORSHIPS SATAN. PERIOD! I have not anywhere in this thread spoken about invisible creatures, etc., you have.

I am not into any sect or cult,I reject the devils.
I only Worship God, my Lord,my Creator, Lord of the Universe.
The deal with me and the devils is that I believe,I know that they exist,just like God says that they exist,and warns us about them.
I have nothing to do with Springsteen,gah...
You can be sure Angel Im got nothing to do with people like that,God Forbid.
I dont expect you to take my advice,yes Im anonymous just like you are,and being anonymous has nothing to do what somebody says.It is not the way to judge what somebody is saying.
I dont know if you believe in God or not BlueAngel,I got the impression that you do,yet in some of your responses to me you clearly dont sound like it.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADVICE YOU HAVE OFFERED. AS FAR AS YOU SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, TRY READING MY POSTS AND, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, SO WHAT? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY STILL.

Im not falling into satans hands,if you think I am please let me know why that is, so can take the right actions.
That Ron Patton's article describes how demons are attached to corresponding alters,right.You said you read it but you dont accept it as true.
I do notice that the downplays the demons,as being nothing but a scare tactic,but thats not true.

IS THERE SOME REASON YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE I HAVE HAD DEMONS ATTACHED TO ME? IF SO, I WILL SAY THIS. YOU DON'T KNOW ME. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ME. I'LL CONCUR WITH MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. NOPE, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DEMONS COME OUT OF ME. THEIR ATTEMPTS FAILED. WHAT? DO YOU THINK THEY PULL A DEMON OUT OF THE AIR AND ATTACH IT TO AN ALTER? GET REAL. IT A PART OF THEIR RITUALS. BUT, I NEVER ACCEPTED SATAN, LUCIFER, THE DEVIL OR DEMONS. IT WAS A GOOD STRATEGY AND WORKED WELL FOR ME.

He is just tricking himself into believing demons dont exist like most people do,even though he described demons as being used in the process.

AGAIN... DO THEY ADVERTISE FOR THESE DEMONS AND THEN INSERT THEM INTO THEIR VICTIMS SOUL THROUGH BODY CAVITIES?? GET REAL!

There wont be justice in this world until people believe,and worship God alone.
Even the Protocols state this fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet those who wrote and follow the Protocols are clearly no believers.
But it is important for them to do everything possible to mislead people away from God.
People need to wake up.

You are right those in satanic cults do believe in devils,but they think they are some kind of advanced creatures who can benefit them,if they serve them.
They think that are the special few who know the unseen,they think they are better than most,and see no problem in doing all the evils things they practice.

THESE PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOPATHS. But, yes, they believe that in doing the DEVIL's work (aligning themselves with evil) they benefit because they are EVIL themselves. They strip the planet of all her resources and people of their morals.


When I said what use its knowledge when its all just lies.
You can take that more as a quote than something being said to you directly.
Im not anybody who is trying to protect Springsteen,by calling you a lier.
I dont know if it really is true what you are saying or not,I dont have any evidence to make any conclusions.
But I do trust you that most of the song lyrics are really bad,like you have shown.
And I wouldnt be to surprised if most of what you are saying that has happened to you was true.


I believe in God,I trust God,and I follow God's Guidance,and I thank God for guiding me.
God has explained all the things to us that are important for us to attain salvation.
God is the Truth,God Words are the Truth,and God's Guidance is the best guidance.
When we reject God,turn our backs to God,we reject the truth.
Therefore we can not understand many things in our life,but end up following lies,and opinions.
God says:There is only one Truth,everything else is conjecture and guesswork.Conjecture is no substitute for the truth.
God warns us about the devils,saying:The devils are your most ardent enemy so treat them as such.
Devils are part of Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.
In fact all those religions are one,is just that all have been corrupt.
The Bible,the Torah,and the Quran are all God Scriptures.
We can find truth in all God's Scriptures but need to be aware that people have made up lies(in some scriptures) and attributed them to God.
The Quran being the last,and only Scripture God has promised to protect from any corruption.
It is Guidance for all Mankind,but sadly most people dont follow it,most Muslims dont follow it.
Satan has tricked most Muslims into following man made books,like the so called Sunna instead of the Quran,thus people end up as disbelievers ,confused.
Its satan system to mislead mankind astray,and away from God.
The devil is a Master Hypnotist.

Here I will post some verses from the Quran:
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."
He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]
(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]
"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]
And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity en masse. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Im sorry for making this long,and for copying part of an article from a website,you can find the short article here, http://submission.org/satan/hypnosis1.html also the verses I posted above are from this site.
The devils play a big part the way we sometime think,the way we behave and act,they can even take control of people,and we call that possession.
When we know and understand these things we can understand the world better.


If there is a question I didnt answer you ,let me know.
I didnt quote any of your responses but hopefully you can find an answer to your questions above.
Not expecting you to to believe me and Im not forcing my beliefs upon you or anyone.
All Im doing is pointing out to you that those invisible creatures we call devils do exist and are a big part of mind control,even Ron Patton states this fact only to downplay it right after.
But oh well,nothing surprising there.

I wont post here no more unless I have to,this post is just to clarify things,like what I believe and so on.As well to answer some of your accusations :)

Peace BlueAngel.

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils. And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me." [23:97-98]
Praise be To God,Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 10:59 AM
Tell ME, Konig19, why it is that you know for a FACT that the mind controllers, the satanic pigs literally attach invisible demons to their victims?

I have stated my opinion regarding this matter and so, too, has Ron Patton.

Now, tell US why you KNOW anything about this "satanic ritual."

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 11:06 AM
Some time ago, I CALLED for GITMO videos to be released. I think I just viewed one.

There should be more; however, the one I viewed was not very concise.

How 'bout those pictures?

Any day now!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 11:52 AM
As far as "invisible demons, devils," as Konig19 refers to them and these creatures somehow being placed inside of "mind control" victims by the "satanic pigs," I believe his agenda is that he really wants ME TO RECOGNIZE a BETA alter.

He continually states that I am not recognizing the demons, devils.

The attempt is still ongoing at the BTX site. It's like they're talking to themselves, but are really talking to an imaginery pretty little kitty cat (PUSSY CAT); calling for it, "Here, Figgy, Figgy, Figgy." They have said it is a figment of Wade's imagination.

Wade has asked Figgy to post a comment on the BTX site and I'm certain this was directed to me. Post a comment, Figgy, dear. I just keep seeing my name popping up was Wade's comment. His name popping up here.

Anyway, alters are created through trauma-based torture and not by the insertion of some invisible demons, devils.

The sex (BETA) alter(s) are referred to as "sex demons."

They would say that a "victim" had demons inside of her. As I stated, I rejected this always. Why would I recognize it? Why would Konig19 want me to recognize it. Didn't then. Don't know.

To rid yourself of these demons, it would be said that an exorcism would have to be performed, but in this sense, the alter would take over almost as if possessed and perform as they desired.

Like I've stated, I do not recognize demons, devils, alters!

PERIOD!

My core is in control.

Also note that Konig19 told me I was not in control of my own mind.

Take note:

"For your own good."

As far as the constant BAT reference by Wade, I believe now it is to call up a "false" memory that my father used a bat to kill someone. This is NOT TRUE.

My father's name was Joe, so if one of Springsteen's songs has the name, "killer Joe," this could also be to call up false information.

Certainly, Springsteen has several if not more songs that speak to killing.

POINT BLANK, Johnny99, Nebraska, etc.

konig19
07-25-2007, 07:16 PM
Im pretty much done here BlueAngel,there is no point in arguing with people like this.
Was not what I wanted in the first place.
Just wanted to point some things to you,and I did.
You know pretty well what Im saying now,my last reply was pretty detailed about what I wanted to say here.
Now please understand this;It dont matter to me if you believe me or not,it dont matter to me if you take my advice,it dont matter to me if you try or not try to understand what I said.
It dont matter to me if you think Im making no sense.
You dont have to keep saying;why should I trust you,why should I take your advice,why should I believe you,and so on.
I never said that you should.
I hope you understand this,so you dont have to keep defending yourself like Im trying to force my beliefs on you.

True I believe that devils do exist,I know you dont believe that they do exist.So can you now please stop repeating yourself.
I respect your judgment,and I think you should respect mine.

I know what this thread is about,and what Im saying is not off topic here.
Im talking about mind control,you should know this.Im saying that the devils play a big part in mind control,and in my last post explains some of these things.
Like I said many times,it dont bother me if you believe me or not,so please stop saying I do.

I said:
You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..
BlueAngel said;
No. I don't and you shouldn't have a problem with anything I believe or don't believe. It is of no importance to me whether you understand or not.

Like I said I know you dont believe that devils exist,and thats fine with me.You dont have to reply to it,its a statement not a question.
No Importance to you in anything what Im saying?
I see no point in saying that,other than just being mean.
Most what you say you say it in a mean bitchy way, as to make the argument meaningless,to downplay it,and make people feel stupid,unimportant.
There are smarter ways to argue with people.
Im choose not to be mean to you though.


Alright now please explain this,this is what you said:
Why not? It is a "satanic cult." Who do you think they worship? GOD?
That was your response to my question as to why you use all those words (words which describe devils)so much since you dont believe that they exist.
My answer to that is that they worship satan.
But now,I like to know your answer,WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WORSHIP BlueAngel?
Please tell everybody here,make it clear,because it is very confusing what you said there,Thanks.

I said:The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.
Who are we? You may believe there are invisible creatures that YOU call by that name. But, I don't and many others don't either.
Whatever BluAngel,I dont get it how you can spin something very simple.
I ment we the people obviously,and I stated the fact when ever we use those words we refer to the devils and nothing else.
Like you should know I do believe that devils exist,so no need for you to keep saying you may believe blah,blah,blah...I do ,OK.
I know that most people dont believe that they do exist(so I understand that you dont neither),but most people are disbelievers in God,most people hate the truth.
You see I dont care what most people think,I make up my own mind.


I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CULT WORSHIPS SATAN. PERIOD! I have not anywhere in this thread spoken about invisible creatures, etc., you have.
This an example why you confusing to me and I still dont understand where you stand here,you need to be clear.
WHAT IS SATAN IN YOUR OPINION,WHAT SATAN DOES THE CULTS WORSHIP?
You havent spoken about any invisible creatures,right,but you are using words devils,which mean the very same thing.
Here a link to wiki,describing the word devil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil
Again BluAngel when you use words like devils thats what you mean!!!
How hard can this be.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADVICE YOU HAVE OFFERED. AS FAR AS YOU SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, TRY READING MY POSTS AND, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, SO WHAT? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY STILL.

I was saying you dont sound like you do believe in God,yet I read some of your post where you are saying that you do.
Feel free to tell what you really believe in.
Most people dont believe in God,even those who say they do,they really dont.
If you dont believe in God thats your problem not mine.
I do believe in God.



IS THERE SOME REASON YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE I HAVE HAD DEMONS ATTACHED TO ME?

Yes and that is demons can take control over people.
Im not saying you was possessed by demons other than they can posses people,and when they do people have no control of what they are doing but the devils do,and that is how people cant remember of ever doing some things.


Peace.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!!!

konig19
07-25-2007, 07:19 PM
By the way you might want to email an admin to erase those pictures on page 132,after all is your thread.

konig19
07-25-2007, 08:03 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Tell ME, Konig19, why it is that you know for a FACT that the mind controllers, the satanic pigs literally attach invisible demons to their victims?

I have stated my opinion regarding this matter and so, too, has Ron Patton.

Now, tell US why you KNOW anything about this "satanic ritual."


BluAngel its part of our faith,Islam Christianity,and Judaism, to acknowledge the devils.
God warns us about them.
Demons can possess people take control with out any so called mind control programs.
What I know about satanic rituals is the fact that it has been going on for thousands of years.
It has not changed,its all the same,and all the cults are all the same, all worship satan.
Just look at ancient Egypt,Greece,The Aztec and the Mayan Empire,and all the rest.They all worshiped some gods,who were no more than the devils making impressions like they could do something like bring the rain or whatever.
They all practiced magic in some way or an other.
All sacrificed children, people,animals,to so called gods.
And those in cults still do so.
Devils always make people do immoral and evil acts in order for them to do some favors they might have promised.
The devils(Lucifer) are behind the New World Order,that is why so few people can control this world.
People believe lies are easy to deceive,most people are disbelievers,most people hate the truth,the very reason why people have no problem accepting lies.
The Protocols warn those behind NWO to do everything possible to mislead people away from God,it states if people would believe in God than there would be justice.
Thats my quick answer to your question,there are many facts which prove the existence of the devils.
You dont have to agree with me Angel,but it is my answer to your question.
Peace
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:07 PM
Im pretty much done here BlueAngel,there is no point in arguing with people like this.

Funny! I don't see an argument anywhere. Done with what?

Was not what I wanted in the first place.

What was it you wanted?

Just wanted to point some things to you,and I did.
You know pretty well what Im saying now,my last reply was pretty detailed about what I wanted to say here.

Very well then you said what you wanted to say and I elaborated on it. Good work.

Now please understand this;It dont matter to me if you believe me or not,it dont matter to me if you take my advice,it dont matter to me if you try or not try to understand what I said.

Okay.

It dont matter to me if you think Im making no sense.

Okay.

You dont have to keep saying;why should I trust you,why should I take your advice,why should I believe you,and so on.

Okay.

I never said that you should.

Okay.

I hope you understand this,so you dont have to keep defending yourself like Im trying to force my beliefs on you.

It's called replying.

True I believe that devils do exist,I know you dont believe that they do exist.So can you now please stop repeating yourself.
I respect your judgment,and I think you should respect mine.

It's not a matter of respect. As I said, you believe what you desire and I'll believe what I desire.

I know what this thread is about,and what Im saying is not off topic here.

Okay. Anything you want to add about mind control within the music industry?

Im talking about mind control,you should know this.Im saying that the devils play a big part in mind control,and in my last post explains some of these things.
Like I said many times,it dont bother me if you believe me or not,so please stop saying I do.

I don't believe in DEVILS. However, humans are responsible for victimizing innocent children in their mind control "satanic cults."

I said:
You dont believe that devils exist,right,OK.
I have no problem with that,In fact I can understand..
BlueAngel said;
No. I don't and you shouldn't have a problem with anything I believe or don't believe. It is of no importance to me whether you understand or not.

Again. You shouldn't have a problem with anything I believe or don't believe. It shouldn't be of ANY CONCERN to you.

Like I said I know you dont believe that devils exist,and thats fine with me.You dont have to reply to it,its a statement not a question.

I'll reply if I find it necessary to do so.

No Importance to you in anything what Im saying?

Absolutely not.

I see no point in saying that,other than just being mean.

The fact that I have no desire to discuss DEVILS isn't mean, it's a fact.

Most what you say you say it in a mean bitchy way, as to make the argument meaningless,to downplay it,and make people feel stupid,unimportant.

I'm not here to converse with people who have no other motive than to engage in meaningless dialogue such as this. If you have something of importance to add to this thread topic, by all means, do so.

There are smarter ways to argue with people.
Im choose not to be mean to you though.

There is no argument.

Alright now please explain this,this is what you said:
Why not? It is a "satanic cult." Who do you think they worship? GOD?
That was your response to my question as to why you use all those words (words which describe devils)so much since you dont believe that they exist.

Excuse me. I SAID, THEY WORSHIP THE DEVIL. DID I SAY I WORSHIPPED THE DEVIL? NO, I DID NOT. IF YOU THINK BECAUSE I REFER TO WHAT THEY WORSHIP AS ACKNOWLEDGING PERSONALLY THE EXISTENCE OF SATAN, YOU ARE MISINTERPRETING MY WRITTEN WORDS.

My answer to that is that they worship satan.
But now,I like to know your answer,WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WORSHIP BlueAngel?
Please tell everybody here,make it clear,because it is very confusing what you said there,Thanks.

THERE IS NOTHING CONFUSING ABOUT WHAT I SAID. REFER TO COMMENT ABOVE.

I said:The words:devil,satan,satanic,all refer to the invisible evil creatures we call by those names and nothing else.
Who are we? You may believe there are invisible creatures that YOU call by that name. But, I don't and many others don't either.
Whatever BluAngel,I dont get it how you can spin something very simple.

You are spinning. My reply is clear and concise. You said WE. This indicates YOU call invisible creatures by the name of satan, devil, etc.

I ment we the people obviously,and I stated the fact when ever we use those words we refer to the devils and nothing else.

You can't possibly speak for all people. Only people who worship the DEVIL as you stated when you said, WE. This indicates you WORSHIP THE DEVIL.

Like you should know I do believe that devils exist,so no need for you to keep saying you may believe blah,blah,blah...I do ,OK.

You've made it clear that you believe in devils. Do you worship Satan, as well?

I know that most people dont believe that they do exist(so I understand that you dont neither),but most people are disbelievers in God,most people hate the truth.
You see I dont care what most people think,I make up my own mind.

Okay.

BlueAngel said:

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CULT WORSHIPS SATAN. PERIOD! I have not anywhere in this thread spoken about invisible creatures, etc., you have.

Konig19 said:

This an example why you confusing to me and I still dont understand where you stand here,you need to be clear.
WHAT IS SATAN IN YOUR OPINION,WHAT SATAN DOES THE CULTS WORSHIP?

I have already been clear. See above comment.

You havent spoken about any invisible creatures,right,but you are using words devils,which mean the very same thing.

And, your point would be that the "sadistic pigs" worship an invisible creature? Perhaps, when they're delusional, which they are, this creature comes to life.

In my world, Satan/Lucifer/Devil does not exist so he's neither visible or invisible.


Here a link to wiki,describing the word devil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil
Again BluAngel when you use words like devils thats what you mean!!!
How hard can this be.

What is it that you are finding so difficult?

BlueAngel said:

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADVICE YOU HAVE OFFERED. AS FAR AS YOU SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, TRY READING MY POSTS AND, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, SO WHAT? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY STILL.

konig19 said:

I was saying you dont sound like you do believe in God,yet I read some of your post where you are saying that you do.
Feel free to tell what you really believe in.
Most people dont believe in God,even those who say they do,they really dont.
If you dont believe in God thats your problem not mine.
I do believe in God.

As you can see by reading this thread, I feel completely free to state whatever it is I desire without the approval of anyone. Is there some reason why you continue to assert that I don't believe in GOD? Not that's it any of your business.

BlueAngel said:

IS THERE SOME REASON YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE I HAVE HAD DEMONS ATTACHED TO ME?

Konig19 said:

Yes and that is demons can take control over people.

Really? You must live in a very paranoid state of mind.

Im not saying you was possessed by demons other than they can posses people,and when they do people have no control of what they are doing but the devils do,and that is how people cant remember of ever doing some things.

Again. You must live in a paranoid state of mind. Always with the DEVIL on your mind.


Peace.
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!!!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:10 PM
konig19 wrote:
By the way you might want to email an admin to erase those pictures on page 132,after all is your thread.

As you are aware, I did not post those pictures. As disgusting as they are, everything serves a purpose.

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:14 PM
BluAngel its part of our faith,Islam Christianity,and Judaism, to acknowledge the devils.
God warns us about them.
Demons can possess people take control with out any so called mind control programs.
What I know about satanic rituals is the fact that it has been going on for thousands of years.
It has not changed,its all the same,and all the cults are all the same, all worship satan.
Just look at ancient Egypt,Greece,The Aztec and the Mayan Empire,and all the rest.They all worshiped some gods,who were no more than the devils making impressions like they could do something like bring the rain or whatever.
They all practiced magic in some way or an other.
All sacrificed children, people,animals,to so called gods.
And those in cults still do so.
Devils always make people do immoral and evil acts in order for them to do some favors they might have promised.
The devils(Lucifer) are behind the New World Order,that is why so few people can control this world.
People believe lies are easy to deceive,most people are disbelievers,most people hate the truth,the very reason why people have no problem accepting lies.
The Protocols warn those behind NWO to do everything possible to mislead people away from God,it states if people would believe in God than there would be justice.
Thats my quick answer to your question,there are many facts which prove the existence of the devils.
You dont have to agree with me Angel,but it is my answer to your question.Peace
Praise be to God Lord of the Universe!

Look, Konig19, WE know the plan of the NWO is to lead people away from GOD. BUT, for you to continue to BLAME INVISIBLE CREATURES, DEVILS, as you call them and not hold human beings responsible for their criminal, sadistic behavior as I've described in this thread upon me and countless other children, society, the universe, is reprehensible. PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF FROM MY PRESENCE AT ONCE!

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:30 PM
The Bible introduces LUCIFER. Thus, it is well known that religions use this DEMON to frighten SOME people into their houses of worship.

The KEY to all religion is to DENOUNCE SATAN/LUCIFER/DEVIL as an entity.

One must acknowledge ONLY the existence of our HEAVENLY FATHER. One must be beholden only to GOD.

BlueAngel
07-25-2007, 09:34 PM
Take Note:

1. Accept the existence of invisible devils.

2. Suggests that I do not believe in GOD.

3. Suggests that devils make people do things
that they don't remember.

Regarding number 3, I GUESS THEN THAT THE CIA CONSISTS OF A GANG OF DEVILS. How could that be? Supposedly, according to Konig19, they're invisible!

konig19
07-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Always love the way you quote everything instead of just writing a damn reply.So in order to reply to all what you said I would have to quote everything you said plus include what I said previously which would make a damn long reply.

Im gonna make this short.
Believing that devils exist,does not mean one worships the devils.
Having said that I do not worship the devils.
Im just aware how they operate,and Im also aware of how to protect myself from them.

The word devil,satan,lucifer,demons,all refer to supernatural,invisible creatures.
You can visit wiki here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon to check it for yourself.

Saying the word devil,demon,satan,and thinking it has a different meaning is nonsense,is being delusional.
I still would like your explanation on what do all those cults worship,since the word devils in your mind mean something else other than that,what we call supernatural,invisible.
You never explained yourself on that.
Other than saying I dont worship devils.
Never meant you did.

I never said I dont hold humans responsible for there actions.
Humans are responsible for everything that we do,even if the devil might have enticed us to do something bad.
I wouldnt have a reason to reply if you didnt misquote me all the time,like saying I worship the devils and so on,God Forbid.

peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

konig19
07-25-2007, 11:05 PM
This is God speaking to the mankind.
Its God's words.
Quran
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful

He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."

He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]

(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]

"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]


The Devils are a fact,and are a part of our faith,that is Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.

Again people might want to read this:
How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity in masses. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 12:57 AM
I didn't read this whole thread, as I just joined.

Upon seeing this , from hitting a link , I had to comment. There is a fabulous video called they sold their souls for rock n roll. I seen the 10hr version and it is quite telling of the industry.

Years ago my father tried telling me about it, but as your typical dumb kid, I thought he was goofy.

Dad, as usual, was right about that and quite a few other things as well.

There is no doubt we are and have been in a war between good and evil for a long long time. We won't not be able to stop that which is written , we can only show it to people who are willing to listen.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 07:59 AM
KennyWally wrote:
I didn't read this whole thread, as I just joined.

Upon seeing this , from hitting a link , I had to comment. There is a fabulous video called they sold their souls for rock n roll. I seen the 10hr version and it is quite telling of the industry.

Years ago my father tried telling me about it, but as your typical dumb kid, I thought he was goofy.

How many years ago did your father try telling you about the "corrupt" music industry? What did he know and how did he know it? Did he try to inform you because you had an interest in music?

Dad, as usual, was right about that and quite a few other things as well.

There is no doubt we are and have been in a war between good and evil for a long long time. We won't not be able to stop that which is written , we can only show it to people who are willing to listen.

What is "that which is written?" Where is it written? What does it say? WE shall continue to inform.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 08:01 AM
KennyWally wrote:
I didn't read this whole thread, as I just joined.

Upon seeing this , from hitting a link , I had to comment. There is a fabulous video called they sold their souls for rock n roll. I seen the 10hr version and it is quite telling of the industry.

Years ago my father tried telling me about it, but as your typical dumb kid, I thought he was goofy.

How many years ago did your father try telling you about the "corrupt" music industry? What did he know and how did he know it? Did he try to inform you because you had an interest in music?

Dad, as usual, was right about that and quite a few other things as well.

There is no doubt we are and have been in a war between good and evil for a long long time. We won't not be able to stop that which is written , we can only show it to people who are willing to listen.

What is "that which is written?" Where is it written? What does it say? WE shall continue to inform.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 08:24 AM
Konig19 said:

Always love the way you quote everything instead of just writing a damn reply.

I quote and reply for clarity.

So in order to reply to all what you said I would have to quote everything you said plus include what I said previously which would make a damn long reply.

It's for clarity. Threads can become infected. Readers need to be able to know who said what!

Im gonna make this short.

Okay.

Believing that devils exist,does not mean one worships the devils.

The "satanic cult" worships the DEVIL. I never said anyone who believes devils exist, worships the same. I SAID THE "SATANIC CULT" WORSHIPS THE DEVIL. I said, the BIBLE introduced LUCIFER and thus this sends SOME people to their church ritually out of FEAR of this entity. Do they worship the DEVIL? Most probably not. THEY ARE AFRAID OF THAT WHICH RELIGIONS INTRODUCED for their own "evil" purposes.

Having said that I do not worship the devils.
Im just aware how they operate,and Im also aware of how to protect myself from them.

As I said, you must live a paranoid life.

The word devil,satan,lucifer,demons,all refer to supernatural,invisible creatures.
You can visit wiki here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon to check it for yourself.

It doesn't matter if those in the "satanic cult" worship a supernatural, invisible creature that exists or not; that is invisible or not; that is real to them or not; the point you're missing is that they do!

Saying the word devil,demon,satan,and thinking it has a different meaning is nonsense,is being delusional.

Who said it has a different meaning? What different meaning could a DEVIL/SATAN/LUCIFER have?

I still would like your explanation on what do all those cults worship,since the word devils in your mind mean something else other than that,what we call supernatural,invisible.
You never explained yourself on that.
Other than saying I dont worship devils.
Never meant you did.

How many times do I have to say it before you comprenhend? The DEVIL/SATAN/LUCIFER in my world does not exist; invisible or not. Therefore, it cannot have a different meaning.

YOU BELIEVE THESE CREATURES EXIST, but they are invisible. Again, since you're not comprehending. The "satanic cult" worships the Devil/Lucifer/Satan. Whether they believe these creatures or real, they exist or are invisible or not is unimportant to the topic. This is who they worship.

I never said I dont hold humans responsible for there actions.

YOU CLEARLY SAID DEVILS ARE RESPONSIBLE. Remember, you've also said they are invisible and make people do things they don't remember. Therefore, the DEVILS exist and are responsible, is what you said. Should we put them on TRIAL? The devils; the invisible, supernatural creatures, that is?

Humans are responsible for everything that we do,even if the devil might have enticed us to do something bad.
I wouldnt have a reason to reply if you didnt misquote me all the time,like saying I worship the devils and so on,God Forbid.

I said it sounds like you worship the DEVIL. As far as misquoting, I could go back and point out your errors as far as my statements, but I won't because I've already done that.

peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 08:32 AM
konig19 wrote:
This is God speaking to the mankind.
Its God's words.
Quran
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful

He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."

He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]

(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]

"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]


The Devils are a fact,and are a part of our faith,that is Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.

Again people might want to read this:
How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity in masses. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Peace.

The DEVIL is a part of some people's faith, as yourself. As I stated, LUCIFER was introduced into religions for the very purpose you are writing about here. HIS EXISTENCE AS AN INVISIBLE EXISTING CREATURE.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 10:03 AM
" How many years ago did your father try telling you about the "corrupt" music industry? What did he know and how did he know it? Did he try to inform you because you had an interest in music?"

ohhhh, late 60's early 70's ! Dad's gone now so I can't ask where he got that. But it was probably "the spotlight". Yes I had an interest in music, not as much now , altho I still enjoy it. It is different after seeing that video.

I suppose what it boils down to is...the mantra like quality , gets you into a suggestible state. We as a people HAVE been brainwashed [ a methodical slow infection of corruption into society , twisting the truth and changing [ suggestible minds ]]...and "they're" not through with us neither!

" What is "that which is written?" Where is it written?"

About "the end times"....the book of Daniel , and the Revelation.

I heard a great audio on this , by Dee Zahner called , "The secret side of history , mystery babylon and the NWO". It included lots of scriptural quotes.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 11:18 AM
Kenny said:

ohhhh, late 60's early 70's ! Dad's gone now so I can't ask where he got that. But it was probably "the spotlight". Yes I had an interest in music, not as much now , altho I still enjoy it. It is different after seeing that video.

What is the SPOTLIGHT?

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 12:55 PM
No wonder Springsteen enjoys the fame that he does, irregardless of his poor songwriting abilities (if, he does, in fact, write his own lyrics); mediocre quitar player and "can't carry a tune" half-the-time voice so during shows he interjects with alot of yelling or just falling off at the end of a note.

But, anyway, the "spin doctors" around him are incredible.

You can look through this thread and see exactly what the man is, immoral. Not only REFLECTED in his songs, but as I have written.

But, here, is what is said about "The Ghost of Tom Joad" album by one of his followers or could be handlers.

JOAD FEATURED SOME OF HIS FINEST LYRICS AND SOME OF HIS MOST DARING SUBJECT MATTER.

What daring subject matter? His research into illegal immigrants? Boy, Springsteen's cult followers will buy anything they tell them about his music.

NEBRASKA IS CONSIDERED A TRUE MASTERPIECE.

Let's have a look at these songs. Be right back.

Such masterpieces, JOAD and NEBRASKA. I wonder how many albums were sold?

Unnoticed masterpieces, I would suggest and that there is a reason for this.

THEY ARE NOT MASTERPIECES.

SCATTERED lyrcis/thoughts in JOAD would be more appropriate.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 01:21 PM
Konig19 said:

konig19 wrote:
This is God speaking to the mankind.
Its God's words.
Quran
In the Name of God,Most Gracious,Most Merciful

He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."

He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." [15:39-42]

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED. [7:30]

...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe. [7:27]

(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." [7:17]

"You may entice them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and all your men against them, and share in their money and children, and promise them. Anything the devil promises is no more than an illusion. As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate. [17:64-65]

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]


The Devils are a fact,and are a part of our faith,that is Christianity,Judaism,and Islam.

Again people might want to read this:
How Satan hypnotizes humanity?
By Dr. Douglas Brown
Hypnosis is a trance-like condition characterized by an altered state of consciousness, diminished will power, and an increased responsiveness to suggestion. People differ in their suggestibility to hypnosis. A person cannot be hypnotized against his will; he must obey the suggestions of a hypnotist. Hypnosis has been employed to help people with physical and psychological diseases, as well as for harmful purposes. An effective hypnotist is skilled in gaining the confidence of his clients. He knows that 'it takes two', the client and himself, to produce the desired effects. Our concern here is with the Master Hypnotist who misleads humanity in masses. The Master Hypnotist also gains the trust of his subjects. But, unlike human hypnotists, he is invisible.
Satan meets and even exceeds the qualifications of a hypnotist because he knows when and how to make his suggestions, according to a person's mind, character, desires and habits. He has considerable knowledge of human nature, and he has thoroughly succeeded in rendering millions of humans unable to use their minds.
People who are unappreciative of God are hypnotized by Satan without their knowledge. Countless millions of people say, "I believe in God," when in fact their hearts do not mean it. Their utterance is no more than lip service to go along with parents, friends, or the society at large. Whenever they have opportunities to break away from deception and doubt, they cling to fabricated falsehoods. This leaves them susceptible to Satan's hypnosis. For the Master Hypnotist is given access to the person's true intentions and innermost beliefs, not outward appearances and lip-service utterances. By going against their God-given instinct to worship God alone and uphold His word alone, people enable the Master Hypnotist to set them up for self-destruction behind an invisible barrier.
Satan gradually instills his suggestions into the minds of his subjects; ideas counter to the worship God alone. Satan hypnotizes his subjects into doing anything that reflects disbelief, idol-worship, or hypocrisy.
They are like the devil: he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear God, Lord of the universe." [59:16]
A trained hypnotist slowly infuses his directives into the subject's mind because this "drop by drop" approach helps the subject understand the instructions. But, in Satan's case, it is a matter of making a person feel at home with negative prompts. God protects His sincere servants from the Master Hypnotist's obvious and subtle attempts to hypnotize them.
Peace.

Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

The DEVIL is a part of some people's faith, as yourself. As I stated, LUCIFER was introduced into religions for the very purpose you are writing about here. HIS EXISTENCE AS AN INVISIBLE EXISTING CREATURE.

konig19
07-26-2007, 02:26 PM
OK,lets get this straight,gah...you claim "satanic cult's" worships the devils,but than again you dont believe that devils exist.
OK,got it.

I do understand that all cults worship the devils.
I also know that devils exist.
There is a reason why the meaning of the word cult,is hidden knowledge.Those people feel like they know something most people dont.
The truth is most people dont want to know.

Never did I say devils are responsible for anything people do,so you are clearly wrong.
See,if I did believe what you are saying,than I would not post and believe in this verse:

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

It clearly states;people are responsible,the devils have no power over anyone,they simply invite people to believe and trust them.
Therefore people are blamed for there actions,like stated in the verse.We all have the power to make our own decisions,if we follow the devils or not its up to us.

I dont worship the devils, and dont sound like I do.
I dont get it how you come to such conclusion?

Angel,I do not believe in anything,I dont believe in guesses and opinions,but I believe in the truth.And the truth can be verified,my faith is not blind.
I dont trust anyone but God, I follow God's Scriptures,not peoples opinions.
You dont believe in what I believe,most people dont believe in God,so it dont surprise me.
But that does not make my beliefs false,and it isnt,never will be.
I dont want guesses,and opinions,I dont what to loose myself in some wishful thinkings.I want the truth,even if I dislike the truth,I have no choice but to accept it.
God says;We have give you the eyes,brains,and the ears,you are responsible for using them.

I'd say , you must live a paranoid life.
Im not confused,I dont follow,guesses and opinions.
There is only one truth everything else is falsehood(guesses,opinions).

Trust me I wouldnt call you paranoid if you didnt say that to me first.I have no problem discussing things with people intelligently even if I disagree with them.
I dont care what people believe or think,or think about my beliefs,you see facts speak for them self.
peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 02:55 PM
OK,lets get this straight,gah...you claim "satanic cult's" worships the devils,but than again you dont believe that devils exist.
OK,got it.

Whether or not I believe in the existence of devils has absolutely nothing to do with what others believe; with what others worship; whether they are a part of the "satanic cult" or not. Whether they believe these entities to be real, to be invisible or not has nothing to do with the fact that I don't acknowledge these entities. Do you think somehow what I believe regarding SATAN/LUCIFER/DEVIL effects what people who are a part of a "satanic cult" worship? I really don't understand why you're having a mental block on this subject. It's not that difficult to comprehend and I've explained it to you over and over and over again.

I also know that devils exist.
There is a reason why the meaning of the word cult,is hidden knowledge.Those people feel like they know something most people dont.
The truth is most people dont want to know.

Yes, we know. You've made it quite clear that YOU KNOW that DEVILS exist. You're repeating. Those within the "satanic cult" are "sadistic pigs" who hide historic knowledge and the truth about themselves. Whom they worship; they're sexual deviant behavior; their vicitmization of society; their trauma-based torture mind control programs, etc., etc., etc. If you're referring to the fact that they have knowledge about the existence of INVISIBLE DEVILS that we don't know about and don't want to know about, I really think you're pushing it now.

Never did I say devils are responsible for anything people do,so you are clearly wrong.
See,if I did believe what you are saying,than I would not post and believe in this verse:

I'll find what you said and post it.

And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." [14:22]

It clearly states;people are responsible,the devils have no power over anyone,they simply invite people to believe and trust them.
Therefore people are blamed for there actions,like stated in the verse.We all have the power to make our own decisions,if we follow the devils or not its up to us.

I dont worship the devils, and dont sound like I do.

Okay.

I dont get it how you come to such conclusion?

You sound obsessed with devils.

Angel,I do not believe in anything,I dont believe in guesses and opinions,but I believe in the truth.And the truth can be verified,my faith is not blind.

You don't believe in anything? That's a shame. You must be empty. If you don't believe in anything how then can you believe in the truth? What truth and how can it be verified?

I dont trust anyone but God, I follow God's Scriptures,not peoples opinions.
You dont believe in what I believe,most people dont believe in God,so it dont surprise me.

Some reason why you keep insinuating that I don't believe in GOD?

But that does not make my beliefs false,and it isnt,never will be.
I dont want guesses,and opinions,I dont what to loose myself in some wishful thinkings.I want the truth,even if I dislike the truth,I have no choice but to accept it.

What truth are you searching for?

God says;We have give you the eyes,brains,and the ears,you are responsible for using them.

I'd say , you must live a paranoid life.

I dont' live a paranoid life. I live a life full of LOVE.

Im not confused,I dont follow,guesses and opinions.
There is only one truth everything else is falsehood(guesses,opinions).

You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.

Trust me I wouldnt call you paranoid if you didnt say that to me first.I have no problem discussing things with people intelligently even if I disagree with them.
I dont care what people believe or think,or think about my beliefs,you see facts speak for them
self.

What facts speak for themselves?

peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 03:01 PM
By the way, Konig19, you seem to find it astonishing that I claim those within the "satanic cult" worship the Devil/Lucifer/Satan.

I don't know why this confounds you so.

It's not like I'm the only person who has written this.

Search the web.

Inquire of those minds, who write the same, if they believe in the existence of devils.

It ain't BREAKING NEWS!

Even Springsteen admitted to worshipping the DEVIL during one of his induction speeches at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And, it wasn't only himself he was referring to!

I would surmise he is the "Satanic Cult" Leader within the music industry and the reason for the name, "The Boss."

Although, I did tell him more times than can be recollected that he wasn't "The Boss" of me.

He may be THE BOSS of all the others.

But, not ME!

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 04:59 PM
That's incredible. The Political World Cafe (PW Cafe) thread over at Backstreets.com (Springsteen's unofficial website) was started on July 6th. It has 1,600 replies and 16 thousand views.

I wonder why?

I also wonder why they have so many devil head icons!

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 05:13 PM
So, Gaz, (another foot soldier; spin doctor of The Boss') if Springsteen could have released 3 more decent albums from the 82-84 recordings without actually stepping foot back in the studio until the 90s, why didn't he?

Remember, Gaz is the poster who said, "whose voice did you think you were hearing? Charleton Heston's?"

This, when I reported on Springsteen's official site that I had embedded instructions not to suicide, how to proceed, etc. and while in an altered state that they coerced, believing Springsteen was the person who rescued me from the cult.

These directions/instructions were embedded into my CORE/OPERATIVE with the assistance of my Protector's.

THEY WERE NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM instructions implanted by Bruce Springsteen in the past.

As I've stated, he was my main handler/abuser and not a PROTECTOR.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm certain while I was on Springsteen's official site, it was stated that Livin'inCT who is now now Bring'emhome on the unofficial site, was Springsteen's sister.

There are several indicators in comments made by her on the official site and unofficial site that would lead one to believe she has insight into Springsteen moreso than the others, but, as I've indicated, I'm certain this was stated on his unofficial site by another poster.

The reason for this comment is because they are now downplaying this connection on the unofficial site in the PW Cafe.

In any event, they should know that it doesn't matter whether Livin'inCT or Bring'emHome is Springsteen's sister. She was and is still a player.

They should also know it doesn't change anything as far as what I've written on this thread about Bruce Springsteen and his sister, Pamela.

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 05:39 PM
Why don't you tell everyone about those three MEETINGS you had with the musician you refer to as "Bruce" (Springsteen) back in the 70s and the interesting stories connected with those meetings, Pamela?

THREE MEETINGS WITH SPRINGSTEEN! Doesn't sound like the usual autograph signing handshake.

THREE MEETINGS!

That's an interesting story in and of itself.

What did you meet about?

Was he there for business or pleasure?

BlueAngel
07-26-2007, 05:43 PM
My Goodness, Springsteen's mother attends many of his shows.

Adele, that is.

I wonder if Pammy, his sister, attends, too.

But, anyway, niceyoungman she raised, isn't he?

konig19
07-26-2007, 06:27 PM
Whether or not I believe in the existence of devils has absolutely nothing to do with what others believe; with what others worship; whether they are a part of the "satanic cult" or not. Whether they believe these entities to be real, to be invisible or not has nothing to do with the fact that I don't acknowledge these entities. Do you think somehow what I believe regarding SATAN/LUCIFER/DEVIL effects what people who are a part of a "satanic cult" worship? I really don't understand why you're having a mental block on this subject. It's not that difficult to comprehend and I've explained it to you over and over and over again.
OK,got it!
Its said though that people can be so confused.
People will call on the evil people as devils,devil worshipers,will always make that connection.
Even Henry Makow on his site, he makes a lot of sense in his articles,he never makes the connection though.He calls upon the evil people as devil worshipers,uses the word a lot to describe the people behind NWO.
But cant understand the fact that there are invisible creatures working behind the scenes.
People think is just few bankers who are in control.NO,not so.The bankers are just satans slaves,they are satans followers,the very reason they dont care about people,but look down on us.Satan made them believe that they are the special few who have the right to do what hey please.
US Politicians,have quoted many times about the Hidden Government,Shadowy Government, Invisible Power,working behind the scenes.
A power so organized that you better not speak above your breath in condemnation of it.
And they are not talking about people.
To bad most people cant understand what they mean though.

Im sure you read that Bjerkins article on Henry's site.
He is somewhat right not,but not quite.
Shabatai Zvi soul has not,and can not transmigrate,he is dead.
He was just following satan,and after his death,it is satan who transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty.Or maybe I should say moved on to his next victims.










Yes, we know. You've made it quite clear that YOU KNOW that DEVILS exist. You're repeating. Those within the "satanic cult" are "sadistic pigs" who hide historic knowledge and the truth about themselves. Whom they worship; they're sexual deviant behavior; their vicitmization of society; their trauma-based torture mind control programs, etc., etc., etc. If you're referring to the fact that they have knowledge about the existence of INVISIBLE DEVILS
"that we don't know about and don't want to know about,"
I really think you're pushing it now.

See thats the problem,you dont want to know about it.Saying I dont believe into something is different than saying I dont want to know about it.Thats all I want to say here.
I know about it and I can see many facts that prove it.
Not to mention it is God who warn us about them.





You sound obsessed with devils.

Im not :) why would I be obsessed?


Here is an example,if you know anything about cults,you'll see that they do very stupid,evil,acts,like torture them self.
They only do so not because they like to torture them self,but to gain satans favors.
Others will torture animals to gain some favors.
Others do all kind of evil acts.
That is the point of sacrifice.
Its to humiliate yourself,and others,to gain favors.That makes people become satans slaves,thus people end up following them,doing all kind of evil,and dont see anything wrong with it.






On the other hand.
God never commands us to do evil,or sacrifice anything.
For example the story of Able and Cane,when they gave offerings,gifts, to God.
God excepted the offering of one but not the other.
Because one of them was not sincere,but was more to say joking.
God says it is not the gifts,or offerings that reach Him,but our goodness.
God is in no need of anything,God absolutely never commands injustice.






You don't believe in anything? That's a shame. You must be empty. If you don't believe in anything how then can you believe in the truth? What truth and how can it be verified?

Did not obviously mean that,to bad you misunderstand many things I say.
I meant I dont believe in just anything people tend to make up.
I believe in the things that are provable,like I said I believe in the truth.



Some reason why you keep insinuating that I don't believe in GOD?
Truly is not hard for me figure out if somebody believes in God or not.Actions speak for them self,its the only way to judge people,not what they say.
And yes, true, I dont obviously know for sure if somebody believes in God or not,only God knows our innermost intentions.





What truth are you searching for?
What a question.
You see Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?
Having said that, I like the truth.










I dont' live a paranoid life. I live a life full of LOVE.
OK,I see,its ok for you to call others paranoid,but you dislike being told that.


You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.
Maybe you like to explain yourself here other than just expect me to believe you, only because you said so?And why should I believe you this?It makes absolutely no sense.



What facts speak for themselves?
Well,the truth speaks for its self,facts are the truth.


peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.[/quote]

konig19
07-26-2007, 06:56 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
By the way, Konig19, you seem to find it astonishing that I claim those within the "satanic cult" worship the Devil/Lucifer/Satan.

I don't know why this confounds you so.

It's not like I'm the only person who has written this.

Search the web.

Inquire of those minds, who write the same, if they believe in the existence of devils.

It ain't BREAKING NEWS!

Even Springsteen admitted to worshipping the DEVIL during one of his induction speeches at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And, it wasn't only himself he was referring to!

I would surmise he is the "Satanic Cult" Leader within the music industry and the reason for the name, "The Boss."

Although, I did tell him more times than can be recollected that he wasn't "The Boss" of me.

He may be THE BOSS of all the others.

But, not ME!

OK,true,you are right,people do use the words satan,devil,demonic,to describe people in cults, etc.,as to say they are following the devils,only not to admit that there is no such things as devils.
To me thats hypocrisy.
Is not that people just state; those in cults say they worship devils,no,they keep calling them the devil worshipers.
W.Bush,wont tell you that he is in a satanic cult,yet everybody will connect him to the devil.
Sad people are bombarded with nonsense from all directions.Its spin Angel.

OK,you say Springsteen admitted that he worships satan.I have to say I didnt know.
I m sure there is a reason he said that.
And umm...if he was the boss,I mean the devil,than obviously he wouldnt say he worships the devil.
Im pretty sure he would come up with a more original name for himself(as his code name),if he meant himself as the devil.Why would he choose the name devil to refer to himself when such name already has a meaning, and so many other claim the same,clamming of being devil worshipers.
This is the only logical conclusion.
He is just the boss of the people(those within his cult),but he is a devil follower,worshiper,he said it.
Peace
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

KennyWally
07-26-2007, 11:48 PM
" What is the SPOTLIGHT? "

was supposedly the official thorn in the side of D.C.! [ cheers! I support anyone with the gonads to print the truth and ask honest questions. not to mention support the constitution.]

But there was a lawsuit and the spotlight closed down and reorganized and is now the american free press !

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

they still seem to be the only place you can get decent news. IMO , they put mainstream to shame.

dad even gave me a subscription , but I just didn't get it at the time. I wasn't ready. But eventually the truth penetrated my very thick skull , and I began to understand.

BlueAngel
07-27-2007, 05:51 PM
BlueAngel said:

Whether or not I believe in the existence of devils has absolutely nothing to do with what others believe; with what others worship; whether they are a part of the "satanic cult" or not. Whether they believe these entities to be real, to be invisible or not has nothing to do with the fact that I don't acknowledge these entities. Do you think somehow what I believe regarding SATAN/LUCIFER/DEVIL effects what people who are a part of a "satanic cult" worship? I really don't understand why you're having a mental block on this subject. It's not that difficult to comprehend and I've explained it to you over and over and over again.

Konig19 said:

OK,got it!

Its said though that people can be so confused.
People will call on the evil people as devils,devil worshipers,will always make that connection.

I don't consider the evil people devils and neither does Henry Makow as far as I know. I have stated that they are evil and worship the devil. Yes, you can be so confused.

Even Henry Makow on his site, he makes a lot of sense in his articles,he never makes the connection though.He calls upon the evil people as devil worshipers,uses the word a lot to describe the people behind NWO.

Because they are a part of a "satanic cult." A group of people who worship the DEVIL. It is you who is not making the connection. It is you who is confused.

But cant understand the fact that there are invisible creatures working behind the scenes.
People think is just few bankers who are in control.NO,not so.The bankers are just satans slaves,they are satans followers,the very reason they dont care about people,but look down on us.Satan made them believe that they are the special few who have the right to do what hey please.

You wouldn't be the first person on this site to proclaim, without evidence, that INVISIBLE creatures, or creatures who have a born yesterday look and can glide across the floor as the one's who control the Illuminati. IF they're invisible, how then do you know they EXIST? THEY DON'T. ONLY in your mind!!

US Politicians,have quoted many times about the Hidden Government,Shadowy Government, Invisible Power,working behind the scenes.

They are talking about people who are not front and center, such as the President, but control the President. The Illuminati, The Banksters, etc. They are in the shadows.

A power so organized that you better not speak above your breath in condemnation of it.
And they are not talking about people.
To bad most people cant understand what they mean though.

Which politicians have said what you describe above?

Im sure you read that Bjerkins article on Henry's site.
He is somewhat right not,but not quite.
Shabatai Zvi soul has not,and can not transmigrate,he is dead.
He was just following satan,and after his death,it is satan who transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty.Or maybe I should say moved on to his next victims.

Maybe that's why Henry Makow didn't include what you say, because it's not truth.

BlueAngel said:

Yes, we know. You've made it quite clear that YOU KNOW that DEVILS exist. You're repeating. Those within the "satanic cult" are "sadistic pigs" who hide historic knowledge and the truth about themselves. Whom they worship; they're sexual deviant behavior; their vicitmization of society; their trauma-based torture mind control programs, etc., etc., etc. If you're referring to the fact that they have knowledge about the existence of INVISIBLE DEVILS "that we don't know about and don't want to know about."
I really think you're pushing it now.

Konig19 said:

See thats the problem,you dont want to know about it.Saying I dont believe into something is different than saying I dont want to know about it.Thats all I want to say here.
I know about it and I can see many facts that prove it.
Not to mention it is God who warn us about them.

You've told US about them. How is that saying that I don't want to know? What facts prove the existence of these invisible creatures you refer to as devils?

BlueAngel said:

You sound obsessed with devils.

Konig19 said:

Im not :) why would I be obsessed?

Because that's all you talk about.

Konig19 said:

Here is an example,if you know anything about cults,you'll see that they do very stupid,evil,acts,like torture them self.
They only do so not because they like to torture them self,but to gain satans favors.
Others will torture animals to gain some favors.
Others do all kind of evil acts.
That is the point of sacrifice.
Its to humiliate yourself,and others,to gain favors.That makes people become satans slaves,thus people end up following them,doing all kind of evil,and dont see anything wrong with it.

Well, I was tortured by GOONS and other "sadistic pigs" including Bruce Springsteen. I never tortured myself. Mind control victims are programmed to "cut," to suicide, etc. This isn't to gain satan's favors. This is accomplished by HUMANS, who program their victims in this manner. Evil humans. Not invisible creatures that are devils.

Konig19 said:

On the other hand.
God never commands us to do evil,or sacrifice anything.
For example the story of Able and Cane,when they gave offerings,gifts, to God.
God excepted the offering of one but not the other.
Because one of them was not sincere,but was more to say joking.
God says it is not the gifts,or offerings that reach Him,but our goodness.
God is in no need of anything,God absolutely never commands injustice.

BlueAngel said:

You don't believe in anything? That's a shame. You must be empty. If you don't believe in anything how then can you believe in the truth? What truth and how can it be verified?

Konig19 said:

Did not obviously mean that,to bad you misunderstand many things I say.

I don't misunderstand. I comment on your written words.

Konig19 said:

I meant I dont believe in just anything people tend to make up.

That's good.

I believe in the things that are provable,like I said I believe in the truth.

Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.

BlueAngel said:

Some reason why you keep insinuating that I don't believe in GOD?

Konig19 said:

Truly is not hard for me figure out if somebody believes in God or not.Actions speak for them self,its the only way to judge people,not what they say.
And yes, true, I dont obviously know for sure if somebody believes in God or not,only God knows our innermost intentions.

You're not suppose to judge people. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I believe in GOD or if you think I'm an atheist.

BlueAngel said:

What truth are you searching for?

Konig19 said:

What a question.
You see Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?
Having said that, I like the truth.

That's your opinion and not mine.

BlueAngel said:

I dont' live a paranoid life. I live a life full of LOVE.

Konig19 said:

OK,I see,its ok for you to call others paranoid,but you dislike being told that.

I didn't dislike it.

BlueAngel said:

You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.

Konig19 said:

Maybe you like to explain yourself here other than just expect me to believe you, only because you said so?And why should I believe you this?It makes absolutely no sense.

I didn't say anything that needs explanation nor did I say anything that I expected you to believe.

BlueAngel said:

What facts speak for themselves?

Konig19 said:

Well,the truth speaks for its self,facts are the truth.

What truth speaks for itself and what facts support this truth? Simple question.

peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe.

BlueAngel
07-27-2007, 06:00 PM
Konig19 said:

OK,true,you are right,people do use the words satan,devil,demonic,to describe people in cults, etc.,as to say they are following the devils,only not to admit that there is no such things as devils.
To me thats hypocrisy.

You need to look up the word hypocrisy. What you've stated as hypocrisy does not lend itself to the definition of this word.

Is not that people just state; those in cults say they worship devils,no,they keep calling them the devil worshipers.
W.Bush,wont tell you that he is in a satanic cult,yet everybody will connect him to the devil.
Sad people are bombarded with nonsense from all directions.Its spin Angel.

You're saying because George W. Bush doesn't pronounce publicy that he's a part of a "satanic cult," it's just spin. I suppose you also believe that Rome was built in two days.

OK,you say Springsteen admitted that he worships satan.I have to say I didnt know.
I m sure there is a reason he said that.
And umm...if he was the boss,I mean the devil,than obviously he wouldnt say he worships the devil.

I'm sure there is a reason he said that, too. BECAUSE IT's true. Excuse me, please read this thread and see the context in which Springsteen said this and the people he was amongst. He thought he was safe! I never said Springsteen was the DEVIL.

Im pretty sure he would come up with a more original name for himself(as his code name),if he meant himself as the devil.

Who said Springsteen was the Devil? YOU?

Why would he choose the name devil to refer to himself when such name already has a meaning, and so many other claim the same,clamming of being devil worshipers.

Who said Springsteen chose the name, the DEVIL to refer to himself? YOU? I referred to him as the devil in disguise due to his "demonic" personality.

This is the only logical conclusion.
He is just the boss of the people(those within his cult),but he is a devil follower,worshiper,he said it.

Ah, I think that's what I said.
Peace
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-27-2007, 06:13 PM
BlueAngel said:

" What is the SPOTLIGHT? "

KennyWally said:

was supposedly the official thorn in the side of D.C.! [ cheers! I support anyone with the gonads to print the truth and ask honest questions. not to mention support the constitution.]

But there was a lawsuit and the spotlight closed down and reorganized and is now the american free press!

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

they still seem to be the only place you can get decent news. IMO , they put mainstream to shame.

dad even gave me a subscription , but I just didn't get it at the time. I wasn't ready. But eventually the truth penetrated my very thick skull , and I began to understand.

The SPOTLIGHT was what? A magazine, a newspaper? It reported on the "corrupt" music industry? How so? What did it say?

BlueAngel
07-27-2007, 09:45 PM
RedRat said:

"I don't believe in lies BA, only the truth, unlike yourself."

Let's see, you don't personally know me, RedRat, but you profess that I am Jewish. The only knowledge you may possess about me is what I've written about mind control/MKULTRA/Project Monarch and my incarceration in the music industry as a "sex slave." Bruce Springsteen being my main handler who farmed me out/shared me with other musicians.

Or, my opinions about the NWO, etc.

Are these the lies you say I believe?

If they are, then I would say you are not what you represent yourself to be on this site. One who is not aligned with the NWO but against it.

This is MY personal recollection of MY victimization as a mind control survivor.

These are not lies told to me by anyone and to think that I would believe for one minute I am lying to myself is ridiculous.

If Bruce Springsteen is not GUILTY of the charges I have brought forward against him on these pages then why has he not sued me for SLANDER?

If BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN was the person who rescued me from the CULT, why then has he not come forward?

Suffice it to say, RedRat, you lied when you said you were Bruce Springsteen.

You lied when you said I was Jewish.

So, how could you possibly know the truth or want the truth when you have revealed yourself to be a LIAR.

Someone who cannot be trusted.

My username on Springsteen's official site was Liars??

How appropriate! Wouldn't you agree?

BlueAngel
07-27-2007, 10:44 PM
So, RedRat, why don't you tell ME what lies it is that you say I believe.

Why don't you tell ME also how you would know they are lies.

Tell me, as well, why someone would tell me these lies.

and

Who told these lies to me?

While you're at it, why don't you provide the truth.

I assumed KennyWally wasn't addressing you with his comment about the lies.

That is why I responded!

and

That is why you responded to ME and not him.

konig19
07-27-2007, 11:49 PM
BlueAngel said:
I don't misunderstand. I comment on your written words.
Comment on the meaning of the post ,not words.

BlueAngel said:
Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.
Easy proven,the evidence is everywhere.
Whether looking into ancient history,recent history ,or present.
Our Lord,our Creator, describes them for us well,and warns us about them.
If you dont see any evidence,thats your judgment not mine.

BlueAngel said:You're not suppose to judge people. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I believe in GOD or if you think I'm an atheist.
Yes we are responsible to judge,we are responsible to judge the people as well.
We are responsible to judge if somebody means us harm or others.
Quran:
"When a wicked person brings you some news,investigate first,before you make a wrong judgment than feel sorry right afterwards."

Now to judge if somebody believes in God or not is not that hard,most the time.Simply because people dont follow God's Guidance,even though most will say that they do,but unfortunately there actions speak otherwise.
Ultimately God judges us all,and only God knows our true faith.


Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?
BlueAngel said:
That's your opinion and not mine.

No Angel,its not my opinion it is the truth.
It can not possibly be otherwise.
WHAT IS THERE AFTER THE TRUTH, BUT FALSEHOOD?

BlueAngel said:
You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.
EXPLAIN!
BlueAngel said:
I didn't say anything that needs explanation nor did I say anything that I expected you to believe.

OK,fine Angel,you dont expect me to believe that,and I dont.Why would I?
I mean why would anybody believe that,Why do you believe so?
I do would like an explanation anyway,if you dont mind Angel.Simple question :)

BlueAngel said:
What truth speaks for itself and what facts support this truth? Simple question.

19x3=57 is True,we can prove this.
The fact that we are created is the Truth,we all can prove this to ourself just by thinking about it,we know we didnt create ourself,its the Truth.
The fact that sun and the moon serve life on this planet is the Truth.
The fact that we need watter to survive is the Truth.
The fact that the Universe is much bigger than people used to think is True.
The fact that fire is Hot is true.
I could go on an on.
But the point is,all these things can be easy proved,and can not be disproved,is what makes it the Truth.
We the people are responsible to think and make our own judgment about things,and not blindly follow others opinions.

How many times do most Christen say,Jesus died for our sins.We are expected to believe this?
All we have to do is think a little about it and conclude that it makes absolutely no sense,and therefore it must be false,it is false.
Jesus was a prophet and a messenger from God,he was a human being just like the previous prophets and messengers before him.Its the truth, it makes sense,God's Scriptures testify to this fact,Jesus never claimed of being anything else.

Jews are not the chosen people,the only people deserving Heaven,like most of them claim.
God has blessed the Jews more than any other people.God states this in the Quran.
Still most Jews ended up disbelieving.
God also says to the Jews in the Quran,If you think that you are the chosen people of all the other people,than why dont you wish for death if you are truthful,no they will never wish for it,instead they would love to live thousand of years.

Most Muslims today are also in the wrong,and that be over 90% or more.There is no Islamic Country,or so called Islamic Government.
Islamic teachings are very corrupt only because other books (so called Sunna books) beside the Quran are accepted as part of our faith.
Quran is for all the Mankind,not just Arabs,and Islam is not an Arabic religion.
Christianity,Judaism, is Islam.
All those religion come from Abraham,peace be upon him,he named us Muslims,Submitters in English.
The word Islam in not a name of religion but the description of our religion.
The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God.Muslim, meaning one who submits to God.
"God calls this One religion that He decreed to all previous prophets Islam (Submission).
It is through this overall plan that we should understand the meaning of the phrase (the only religion acceptable to God is Islam). It does not mean that Islam is exclusively the religion of the Quran, nor does it mean that Islam is the religion first brought by Muhammad."
Islam can be translated into any language,thus you can be a Christen and be a Submitter to God(Muslim).
The sad thing is;Is not just that the Christen and the Jews,dont accept the Quran,but neither do most Muslims.Todays teachings of Islam are not based on the Quran.Quran disproves todays Islam.
Muslims do say they do,but actions speak otherwise.
People end up judging Islam by looking at the people instead of our religion.
And where can we find the description of our religion?Obviously in God Scriptures.
The Quran being most detailed,and preserved.

Im telling all this to point out how people are being mislead ,how people will believe anything.Even that which doesnt make absolutely no sense.

The truth is that all these fake satanic religious teachings can easy be disproved.
Truth is not hard to understand though.
God The Almighty,the Creator of the Universe and everything that exist is able to send Scriptures trough His messengers to His creation to guide us (explain things for us) in the right path.Its easy for God to do.




BlueAngel said:
You're saying because George W. Bush doesn't pronounce publicy that he's a part of a "satanic cult," it's just spin. I suppose you also believe that Rome was built in two days.

No Angel I do not believe in lies and in that which makes no sense,dont ever think that I do.So obviously Rome was not built in two days.
If others religious people believe anything,and most do,that dont mean that I do.
My religion is not anything,I dont believe anything.
Our religion is fully detailed.


By : A. Muhammad
It is a mistaken concept among Muslims (and non Muslims alike) that Islam is basically the religion of the Quran and the religion of Muhammad.
God tells in the Quran that Islam (Submission to God) is as old as Abraham (22:78), and that all the practices of Islam were first given to Abraham and his sons long before Muhammad was born.
- God taught Abraham and his sons all the rituals of Islam (Prayer, pilgrimage, Zakat ... etc see 21:73, 22:26-29). This took place long before the time of Muhammad.
2- Muhammad was in fact commanded to follow the religion of Abraham (16:123) .... This is described in the same verse as being Monotheism, which is submission to God without setting any idols besides Him. But God also tells Muhammad in verse 5:48 that within each revelation there are specific laws and rites that are specific to the receivers of this particular revelation. Hence the command is issued in 5:48 that Muhammad should follow the rites given to him in the Quran and NOT the rites of previous people.
"God’s description of the Quran as 'COMPLETE' (6:115), 'FULLY DETAILED' (6:114), that 'NOTHING' has been left out of it (6:38) and that it offers ‘explanations for EVERYTHING’ 16:89."
My religion is not anything,but is fully detailed in the Quran,just like God tells us.


This is a little long,I know.
But please read it,it explains many things,even if you disagree with it.
You asked me about truth,and religion is truth,the reason I talk about it.


You are right Angel,here are people in this thread who obviously are only here to make you look bad,trying make you look like a lier,and who are messing with you.
Got to watch out for shadows.
You might think Im one of those,but trust me Im not,I did not come in here to call you a lier based on what you are saying about the Music Industry.Or what you are saying about Springsteen.
I just wanted to point out to you that there is more to Mind Control than most people think.
Im almost done here though,maybe one more post and thats it.There is no point going in circles,unfortunately is how most arguments end up :)

Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

KennyWally
07-28-2007, 12:49 AM
"The SPOTLIGHT was what? A magazine, a newspaper? It reported on the "corrupt" music industry? How so? What did it say?"

sorry , it was a newspaper! it reported on everything it seen that it thought wasn't right.

and since dad is gone I can't ask him what they said about it. sorry.

If you clik that american free press link , you can see for yourself what they cover, I think there a free issue in pdf you can download.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 08:32 AM
BlueAngel said:

I don't misunderstand. I comment on your written words.

Konig19 said:

Comment on the meaning of the post ,not words.

Your post includes the words and the words comprise the meaning. So, I'm, therefore, commenting on the meaning of the post.

BlueAngel said:

Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.

Konig19 said:

Easy proven,the evidence is everywhere.
Whether looking into ancient history,recent history ,or present.
Our Lord,our Creator, describes them for us well,and warns us about them.
If you dont see any evidence,thats your judgment not mine.

It's impossible to see evidence if something is invisible. Again, Lucifer was introduced into the Bible for their EVIL purposes.

BlueAngel said:

You're not suppose to judge people. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I believe in GOD or if you think I'm an atheist.

Konig19 said:

Yes we are responsible to judge,we are responsible to judge the people as well.
We are responsible to judge if somebody means us harm or others.

If I don't know someone, I don't judge. If I know someone is evil, it is not a judgment. It is fact.

Konig19 said:

Quran:
"When a wicked person brings you some news,investigate first,before you make a wrong judgment than feel sorry right afterwards."

I don't follow the Quran.

Konig19 said:

Now to judge if somebody believes in God or not is not that hard,most the time.Simply because people dont follow God's Guidance,even though most will say that they do,but unfortunately there actions speak otherwise.
Ultimately God judges us all,and only God knows our true faith.

Okay.

Konig19 said:

Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?

Again, for you, there is only one truth. Not for me.

BlueAngel said:

That's your opinion and not mine.

Konig19 said:

No Angel,its not my opinion it is the truth.
It can not possibly be otherwise.
WHAT IS THERE AFTER THE TRUTH, BUT FALSEHOOD?

More truth, possibly? Again, it is your opinion that there is only one truth.

BlueAngel said:

You believe there is only one truth. I don't. You should speak for yourself only.

Konig19 said:

EXPLAIN!

BlueAngel said:

I didn't say anything that needs explanation nor did I say anything that I expected you to believe.

Konig19 said:

OK,fine Angel,you dont expect me to believe that,and I dont.Why would I?
I mean why would anybody believe that,Why do you believe so?

Believe what? Actually, no, I'm not trying to make YOU believe anything. I would be the reverse.

Konig19 said:

I do would like an explanation anyway,if you dont mind Angel.Simple question :)

An explanation to what?

BlueAngel said:

What truth speaks for itself and what facts support this truth? Simple question.

Konig19 said:

19x3=57 is True,we can prove this.
The fact that we are created is the Truth,we all can prove this to ourself just by thinking about it,we know we didnt create ourself,its the Truth.
The fact that sun and the moon serve life on this planet is the Truth.
The fact that we need watter to survive is the Truth.
The fact that the Universe is much bigger than people used to think is True.
The fact that fire is Hot is true.
I could go on an on.
But the point is,all these things can be easy proved,and can not be disproved,is what makes it the Truth.
We the people are responsible to think and make our own judgment about things,and not blindly follow others opinions.

I thought you said there was only ONE truth? Seems like you've listed a whole lot more. Really? People are responsible to think and make our own judgments. You're not imparting anything WE don't know as we're not blindly following other's opinions. If that's not obvious to you, I'd say you are blinded.

Konig19 said:

How many times do most Christen say,Jesus died for our sins.We are expected to believe this?
All we have to do is think a little about it and conclude that it makes absolutely no sense,and therefore it must be false,it is false.
Jesus was a prophet and a messenger from God,he was a human being just like the previous prophets and messengers before him.Its the truth, it makes sense,God's Scriptures testify to this fact,Jesus never claimed of being anything else.

Jews are not the chosen people,the only people deserving Heaven,like most of them claim.
God has blessed the Jews more than any other people.God states this in the Quran.
Still most Jews ended up disbelieving.
God also says to the Jews in the Quran,If you think that you are the chosen people of all the other people,than why dont you wish for death if you are truthful,no they will never wish for it,instead they would love to live thousand of years.

Most Muslims today are also in the wrong,and that be over 90% or more.There is no Islamic Country,or so called Islamic Government.
Islamic teachings are very corrupt only because other books (so called Sunna books) beside the Quran are accepted as part of our faith.
Quran is for all the Mankind,not just Arabs,and Islam is not an Arabic religion.
Christianity,Judaism, is Islam.
All those religion come from Abraham,peace be upon him,he named us Muslims,Submitters in English.
The word Islam in not a name of religion but the description of our religion.
The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God.Muslim, meaning one who submits to God.
"God calls this One religion that He decreed to all previous prophets Islam (Submission).
It is through this overall plan that we should understand the meaning of the phrase (the only religion acceptable to God is Islam). It does not mean that Islam is exclusively the religion of the Quran, nor does it mean that Islam is the religion first brought by Muhammad."
Islam can be translated into any language,thus you can be a Christen and be a Submitter to God(Muslim).
The sad thing is;Is not just that the Christen and the Jews,dont accept the Quran,but neither do most Muslims.Todays teachings of Islam are not based on the Quran.Quran disproves todays Islam.
Muslims do say they do,but actions speak otherwise.
People end up judging Islam by looking at the people instead of our religion.
And where can we find the description of our religion?Obviously in God Scriptures.
The Quran being most detailed,and preserved.

Im telling all this to point out how people are being mislead ,how people will believe anything.Even that which doesnt make absolutely no sense.

This thread isn't about religion/the Quran. This thread is about mind control within the music industry.

Konig19 said:

The truth is that all these fake satanic religious teachings can easy be disproved.
Truth is not hard to understand though.
God The Almighty,the Creator of the Universe and everything that exist is able to send Scriptures trough His messengers to His creation to guide us (explain things for us) in the right path.Its easy for God to do.

It's a "satanic cult" and it isn't FAKE.

BlueAngel said:

You're saying because George W. Bush doesn't pronounce publicy that he's a part of a "satanic cult," it's just spin. I suppose you also believe that Rome was built in two days.

Konig19 said:

No Angel I do not believe in lies and in that which makes no sense,dont ever think that I do.So obviously Rome was not built in two days.
If others religious people believe anything,and most do,that dont mean that I do.
My religion is not anything,I dont believe anything.
Our religion is fully detailed.

You say, my religion is not anything. I don't believe anything, but yet, you say, OUR RELIGION IS FULLY DETAILED. I think you're slipping.

By : A. Muhammad
It is a mistaken concept among Muslims (and non Muslims alike) that Islam is basically the religion of the Quran and the religion of Muhammad.
God tells in the Quran that Islam (Submission to God) is as old as Abraham (22:78), and that all the practices of Islam were first given to Abraham and his sons long before Muhammad was born.
- God taught Abraham and his sons all the rituals of Islam (Prayer, pilgrimage, Zakat ... etc see 21:73, 22:26-29). This took place long before the time of Muhammad.
2- Muhammad was in fact commanded to follow the religion of Abraham (16:123) .... This is described in the same verse as being Monotheism, which is submission to God without setting any idols besides Him. But God also tells Muhammad in verse 5:48 that within each revelation there are specific laws and rites that are specific to the receivers of this particular revelation. Hence the command is issued in 5:48 that Muhammad should follow the rites given to him in the Quran and NOT the rites of previous people.
"God’s description of the Quran as 'COMPLETE' (6:115), 'FULLY DETAILED' (6:114), that 'NOTHING' has been left out of it (6:38) and that it offers ‘explanations for EVERYTHING’ 16:89."
My religion is not anything,but is fully detailed in the Quran,just like God tells us.


This is a little long,I know.
But please read it,it explains many things,even if you disagree with it.
You asked me about truth,and religion is truth,the reason I talk about it.

Again, this thread is about mind control within the music industry and my incarceration in such. Do you have anything to add to that? It is about Bruce Springsteen being my main handler/controller/abuser within the "satanic cult" of which he is a part. It is about MKULTRA/Project Monarch, my incarceration in same. It is about "sex slaves" in the music industry. Myself being used as one as a "little girl." Do you have anything to add to that? This is not a thread about religion. Please visit the forum and create a topic of discussion titled "Religion."

Konig19 said:

You are right Angel,here are people in this thread who obviously are only here to make you look bad,trying make you look like a lier,and who are messing with you.
Got to watch out for shadows.

What shadows?

Konig19 said:

You might think Im one of those,but trust me Im not,I did not come in here to call you a lier based on what you are saying about the Music Industry.Or what you are saying about Springsteen.
I just wanted to point out to you that there is more to Mind Control than most people think.
Im almost done here though,maybe one more post and thats it.There is no point going in circles,unfortunately is how most arguments end up :)

I don't know who you are or what your purpose is. I think I've pointed out quite informatively that there is more to mind control than most people think. But, thanks for your input. As far as arguing. Again. A difference of opinion, in my view is not arguing. If you find yourself going in circles and feel like you're arguing it's because you want someone to agree with you and they are not.

Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe!

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 12:50 PM
Which song is it of Springsteen's where he tells the ever popular Mary that his car is waiting out back, these four wheels they can take us anywhere.

But, the "ride it ain't free."

I guess Mary never wanted to Pay the Price!

Is it "Thunder Road," or "Wings for Wheels?" I guess they're both pretty much the same. One of those famous re-worked songs.

Reminds me of the time I had just entered Springsteen's official site and I was posting information about the "corrupt" government as I know them.

Ties had a problem with me for inundating the site with so many threads/posts. I'll have to admit that there was an unusual amount, but this was during my awakening and it was crucial that I reveal it in whatever form necessary.

So, Ties posted a thread or comment about this in his usual whiny manner and DNA posted a comment to Ties, (I've stated on this thread previousl) "This ain't a free ride" and signed it Bruce.

When I returned to this site after the original Mind Control thread posted by JIMBO and was targeted, I sent an email to one of my mentors about the poster who started a thread saying that BlueAngel just made him (sexual reference).

The email was not to anyone on Springsteen's site, of course. The exchange was about not having the time to oversee a kindergarden classroom. This was a reference to the infiltration of this site by posters with the mentality of same.

So, this was mentioned on Springsteen's official site.

As I've stated, everything I do is watched. Everything I write is watched.

An invasion of my privacy and psychological operations ongoing for a very, very long time.

SOMEDAY SOON, THOSE RESPONSIBLE WILL PAY THE PRICE.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Let the TRUTH OUT!

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 01:04 PM
There seems to be alot of reference to Patti Scialfa being "tougher than the rest," a strong woman, etc.

I wonder why?

Why is it evident that she's strong?

Is it evident because she's been with Springsteen for so long?

As if fans would know how tough this was?

Is it his lyrics that lead you to this opinion or the fact that you are really people who know him and not the casual posters.

Maybe it's his behavior as well.

Is she truly strong, tougher than the rest or enjoying and reaping the rewards of her husband's music career since she doesn't have one and probably never would have without him?

Perhaps she paid the price, as well.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 08:16 PM
Did you know that Springsteen's album, "Darkness on the Edge of Town" was political according to one writer.

Here's a nice verse:

"I'll be there on time and I'll pay the cost
for wanting things that can only be found
in the darkness on the edge of town... "

Pay the price, pay the cost!

WOW!! Wanting things that can only be found in the darkness on the edge of town.

Sounds fantastic!

Seriously, how pathetic. One poster claims she screamed Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce instead of Oh, God with her ex-husband!

Why is there a poster over at backstreets pretending to be Patti Scailfa?

That is just strange to say the least and you would think that if posters were insinuating that they were Bruce Springsteen, Patti Scailfa and/or their children and other posters were indicating they were as well, on his unofficial site that this would not be tolerated.

Why would Bruce Springsteen and/or Patti Scailfa tolerate this?

Why would the moderators tolerate this?

But, they do!

All this Satan/devil talk by KennyWally and Konig19 gives you a sense about what it's like in the "satanic cult."

On and on and on about devils/satan/lucifer constantly as if they existed.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 08:23 PM
Breaking news:

On page 24 in the August issue of Rolling Stone it reads...

Bruce Springsteen is preparing to release a new album with the E Street Band in October. The disc was produced by Brendan O'Brien who also recorded 2002's The Rising. The band is expected to launch a U.S. tour immediately after the album's release.

Unbelievable. A CD is going to be released by Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band. Unbelievable, as well. The band is expected to LAUNCH a U.S. tour immediately after the album's release. THEY ARE LAUNCHING A TOUR!! Can you believe it? A rock band is actually going to tour after the relase of a CD. Who would have thunk it!!

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 08:28 PM
There's a thread over a BTX asking why there hasn't been an assassination attempt on Bush.

OBVIOUSLY, he's doing his job very well for the Illuminati.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 08:58 PM
Here's the mentality over there at BTX (Backstreets.com).

There is a picture thread of Springsteen dating way, way back.

A poster says that her favorite picture of him is with a goatee and whiskers cause it makes him look young.

THE PICTURE IS FROM THIRTY YEARS OR SO AGO. HE IS YOUNG THEN!!

THEY ARE LOOKING AT PICTURES OF SPRINGSTEEN FROM 30 PLUS YEARS AGO AND EVERY NOW AND AGAIN A MALE POSTER COMES IN AND GETS THE MOP TO MOP UP THE FLOOR.

DISGUSTING!!

EVERYTIME I SEE A PICTURE OF SPRINGSTEEN AND SCIALFA TOGETHER I WONDERED WHY I FELT DISGUST.

I REALIZED, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH DISGUSTING.

BlueAngel
07-28-2007, 09:11 PM
The humor is borderline depraved.

For instance, a cartoon depicting two veteran soldiers from Iraq. Both with one prosthetic leg; both holding one of Bush's arms and the caption:

Something like:

Hold steady, we're going to redo that colonoscopy with our VA benefits.

Another topic regarding why there hasn't been an assassination attempt on Bush over at backstreets.com (Springsteen's unofficial site) and a poster who comments that the only thing sweeter would be seeing both (Cheney and Bush's) families wiped out.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 07:13 AM
There is a DIFFERENCE between LIVING IN THE PAST and RECOLLECTING THE PAST.

There is also a difference between "catching up on the past" and "rehashing the past."

I, for one, certainly have no desire to LIVE in the PAST.

The reason I fought to escape not once, but twice to retain control of my own mind and live in reality/present based on truth and not "false information, implanted screen memories and LIES" about my past.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 08:14 AM
I think after this song, it's over. I seriously can't read the lyrics to any more of Springsteen's songs.

They are, well, to put it bluntly, JUST CREEPY!

Adam Raised a Cain
Bruce Springsteen

the summer that I was baptized
my father held me to his side
As they put me to the water
he said how on that day I cried
We were prisoners of love, a love in chains
He was standin' in the door
I was standin' in the rain
With the same hot blood burning in our veins
Adam raised a Cain

All of the old faces
ask you why you're back
They fit you with position
and the keys to your daddy's Cadillac
In the darkness of your room
your mother calls you by your true name
You remember the faces, the places, the names
You know it's never over
it's relentless as the rain
Adam raised a Cain

In the Bible Cain slew Abel
and East of Eden he was cast
You're born into this life paying
for the sins of somebody else's past
Daddy worked his whole life
for nothing but the pain
Now he walks these empty rooms
looking for something to blame
You inherit the sins, you inherit the flames
Adam raised a Cain

Lost but not forgotten, from the dark heart of a dream

------------------------------------------------

I can't get past the first verse:

He and his father were prisoners of love, a love in chains. The same hot blood burning through their veins.

In the darkness of your room your mother calls you by your TRUE name. What else would she call you by? One of your "alter" names?

You might have been born into this life paying for the sins of somebody else's past, but not everyone is. You should speak for yourself in your lyrics.

His father worked his whole life for nothing but the pain. You inherit the sins, you inherit the flames. Again, you should speak for yourself. Not everyone inherited the same PAST as yourself. It was your choice and you chose the "Darkness on the Edge of Town."

You said in one of your "Devils and Dust" songs that you hoped your children's sins would be their own. I think it's too late for that wishful thinking.

The "cycle" continues and that's the way it is when you're part of the "satanic cult."

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 09:31 AM
There's something about this Carl "Tinker" West fellow who was supposedly Springsteen's mentor and several other Asbury Park, Jersey Shore musicians back in the day.

Could be the "Tinker" Air Force Base information about this is where they "tinker" with your brain could be covering up some information about him or have a two-fold meaning.

In a recent article about him, it is noted that he was a "rocket scientist." He tinkered with "hot rods" and worked with the Sidewinder missile and possibly more clandestine operations.

Some of the "trigger" words are "hot rod," "rocket scientist," "Tinker" and "Sidewinder."

The article follow:

Cosmic Surfer's Life Comes In Colorful Waves

Sunday, July 29, 2007
BY JUDY PEET
Star-Ledger Staff

Sure, Carl "Tinker" West discovered Bruce Springsteen, but that is not the most interesting thing he's done.

It's probably not even in the top five. Okay, maybe the top 10.

The "Springsteen thing" is merely a chapter in a unique, eclectic life lived largely without compromise. At one time or another, West has been a rocket scientist/surfer/surfboard designer/entrepreneur/rock 'n' roll mentor/sailor/sound engineer/structural steel wizard.

Now 71, West may be one of the most influential New Jerseyans you never heard of. A behind-the-scenes genius renowned not so much for what he has done for himself as for the support and creative spark he ignited in others.

Springsteen publicly acknowledged West as his mentor. So did surfing great Michel Junod. And Bob Dylan's sound man, Jules Aerts. And composer Robbin Thompson, drummer Vini "Mad Dog" Lopez and untold others who received advice, shelter and a kick in the pants from West.

"He is an anarchist with a huge work ethic and the smartest, most interesting person I ever met," said former Springsteen sideman Albee Tellone. "Tinker is, well, Tinker."

West values his privacy so much his phone in Atlantic Highlands is listed in his dead dog's name. He studies ancient Mayan technology for fun. He is odd, original and a noted curmudgeon.

"He could have done anything, but chose a very individual path," said Tracey Dell, a former "Saturday Night Live" audio engineer who gave up television to open a sailing school in Keyport. West taught Dell how to sail. "He is one of the few free thinkers left."


KICKING SCIENCE TO THE CURB

The path began in southern California in 1935. West says his earliest memories were about the way things work. Clocks, phones, radios, cars -- if it ran, West was fascinated.
By high school he was tinkering with hot rods. The name stuck.

He worked his way through UCLA and graduated in the mid-1950s with a degree in physics. He worked at Wyle Labs but won't discuss his science years, "because it was too long ago. Who cares anymore?"

Friend Barry Jay, an IBM computer expert whose known West for 30 years, said West worked on the Sidewinder missile and possibly more clandestine operations.

Ever the iconoclast, West rebelled against the paperwork and the waste endemic to government contracts. He quit and became a surfer.

Surfing and his engineering ability led inevitably to surfboard making at a time when boards were long and shaped by hand. He was part owner of Challenger Surfboard in San Diego when he noticed 80 percent of California surfboards were sold to the East Coast.

In 1966, West arrived in New Jersey with 12 boards in the back of a 1950 Chevy panel truck he'd rebuilt from scratch and a bit of cash in his pocket. He was 31.

After false starts involving evictions, fires and a chicken coop, the Challenger East Surfboards factory opened in Wanamassa in Ocean Township.

Jim "The Genius" Phillips -- now an icon among surfboard shapers -- was a raw kid when he met West in late 1966.

"He watched me work for about 45 seconds and yelled what did I think I was doing," said Phillips. "He stripped me down to my soul and taught me everything I needed to know. He isn't kind, but he speaks the truth."

Earlier this year, Thompson helped West make a special surfboard for charity. Signed by Springsteen and the Beachboys' Brian Wilson, it sold for $7,500 at a benefit for the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank.

Richard Barry, now head of securities investigations for the state Attorney General's Office, said he was a "wayward kid" from Belmar when he met West in 1968.

"Tinker gave me focus. He wasn't judgmental. He said 'you can do this,' and you believed him," said Barry. "I feel exactly about him today as I did when I was 17."

West shrugs away his influence, but acknowledges his intent: "When you stop learning, you die. If you have knowledge, pass it on."

RIDING THE MUSIC WAVE

By 1969, the surfboard business was doing well, but West was bored. He turned to his next obsession.
A guitarist himself, West went looking for original music -- not the cover band stuff of the late 1960s -- and found the Upstage in Asbury Park.

It was a prolific time for Jersey Shore musicians who used to jam at the Upstage after their regular gigs. Regulars included Garry Tallent, Johnny Lyon, Danny Federici, Steve Van Zandt, Tellone, Lopez and, of course, Springsteen.

They were all young, talented and poor.

"We were only using about two-thirds of the (Challenger) factory. I said, 'If you play original music only, you can stay,'" said West. "I wanted to give original bands a chance."

The first Springsteen rehearsal session at the factory was in March 1969, according to Bruce fan sites. West says he frankly doesn't remember. He recorded every session and most of the concerts, but often taped over to save money.

The group became Steel Mill with West as their manager. They played; he did everything else, including building the best sound system around.

"Of course, it took eight people to lift one speaker, but we rocked," said Tellone, who now plays American folk music in the Ozarks. "He did a similar system for Ike and Tina Turner."

Musicians including Springsteen lived at the factory and followed when West moved the whole operation to Highlands in 1970. The bright purple building is still on Bay Avenue. West uses it as a workshop and occasional recording studio.

West bullied his lost boys, took care of them and offered odd jobs for spare change.

"(There was) the smell of polyurethane resin, the surfboards everywhere, a place to rehearse and waves a couple of miles away. I though I'd died and gone to heaven, but it was just the Jersey Shore in 1970," said Thompson, who joined Steel Mill that year.

West was a decade older and a "hip dude from California ... who could give you advice that you actually believed," added Thompson. "There always seems to be one of these guys in every great story."

West booked the concerts, arranged transportation and hotels, handled the sound and shepherded Steel Mill into minor-league profitability. He took the band to California to play the legendary Fillmore theater in San Francisco and added another anecdote to the Springsteen legend.

"Bruce and I went out together on my old 1950 flatbed. I was driving because Springsteen never drove; he always had girls drive him," West said. "By Texas, my eyeballs were falling out, so I turned to him and said, 'That's it. Get behind the wheel."

Springsteen made it to California without killing them, and West became forever the man who taught Bruce Springsteen to drive.

Springsteen could not be reached for comment about this article. In his 1999 induction speech into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, however, Springsteen cited West as a mentor, "whose support I couldn't have done without."

The two parted ways in 1971. West said, "I couldn't take him any further, and I couldn't see all that talent gathering dust in Asbury Park. There were no hard feelings and we still talk on occasion."

West introduced Springsteen to manager Mike Appel in 1971. Appel got Springsteen to Columbia Records talent scout John Hammond, and the rest is rock and roll history.

STILL MR. FIX-IT

West continued as a sound engineer, for groups including the Who and the Allman Brothers. He installed sound rigging systems at Carnegie Hall and Boston Symphony Hall.

He closed the surfboard factory in the early 1970s because, always the purist, he refused to participate in the fad for short boards.

But he managed to keep busy. He restored and sailed a wrecked 1954 racing sloop. He formed a design and fabrication company that built things like penthouse arbors in Manhattan and an indoor waterfall in Red Bank.

"Tinker is the guy who fixes things that nobody else has any idea how to fix, " said friend Jane Sudler Black. "He really is a rocket scientist."

West built the jetty of "The Howard Stern Show" fame. He continued to surf until age 69 but said he hasn't had time recently.

He bought a decrepit house in the steep hills of Atlantic Highlands that he shares with a superb painter named Mary and a 30-year-old avocado tree.

The house was slowly falling down the hill. West decided to build terraces. He's moved, he estimates, close to 800,000 pounds of stone up the hill and hand-stacked it.

He's not done, but he's in no hurry.

He continues to build odd and wonderful things for his friends and to irritate his enemies -- anyone, by West's definition, who is dumb or pretentious. He talks about building a new sound studio. He is managing another band: Steel Mill Retro.

Fronted by former Springsteen drummer Lopez, who calls him "Uncle Tinker," the band has the rights to all the songs Springsteen originally wrote for Steel Mill. They hope for a national tour.

He spends most mornings at the Waterwitch Coffee House in Highlands, ranting about the state of the union. A customer at the counter there explains the prevailing opinion about West:

"Every small town has its cast of characters. In Highlands, Tinker is our entire cast.

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I have not yet read this article in its' entirety.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 12:17 PM
OOOhhh, the connections.

So, Wade's daughter has worked "overtime detail" at one (or more) of Springsteen's shows.

Wade's dog said this to him this morning:

"You deserve to be cleaning up a puddle by the door already. Now get your sorry ass in gear--NOW!"

I wonder.

Do you think Wade's dog really said this to him or do you think Wade is making these "covert" remarks, using his dog as a conduit, to a person whom isn't posting on the backstreets.com site but retrieving information from it instead?

Remember, they have an imaginery pretty, little pussy cat, too, whom they talk to.

But, not really!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 12:23 PM
How 'bout the poster who said this about his wife's absence:

The wife's away. It bodes well that THAT continues to SUCK IT HARD after so many years of marriage.

Gross!

Or, the thread title, "someday this will all seem funny."

In regard to looking back at this presidency, but, come on, not really what it implied.

How could anyone in their right mind look back at this presidency and think that someday it will all seem funny.

This line of course if from Springsteen's, "Rosalita" song.

So, after several comments by posters saying that, of course, it will never seem funny, the author wrote something like:

My guess is that the answer is no though whatever one projects the question to be.

The question was clear, of course, but had a different intended meaning for someone else.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 03:10 PM
Please take note of the current "psychological operation" (scare tactics) taking place on CC at this time by one particular poster.

Covert messages being left on "dead" threads.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 05:16 PM
How 'bout this one:

"WE did not let you go because we didn't love you. We let you go because WE loved you too much to make you stay."

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

YOU did not let me go.

I risked MY LIFE to escape YOU.

YOU could not make me stay.

I risked MY LIFE to escape YOU.

YOU could not control me then and you cannot control me now.

YOU could only torture me in hopes that THIS DAY would never come!

Well, it has!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 06:40 PM
Why would any male fan of Springsteen's think that the "Tunnel of Love" album was magnificent and underrated?

The majority of songs are love songs. At the time of the Tunnel of Love tour he was married to Julianne Phillips and flaunting his affair on stage with his current wife.

Most of the songs don't even seem to be about a love affair with Patti or Julianne.

When were they written?

Anyway, the following song makes no sense!

Walk Like A Man
Tunnel of Love
Bruce Springsteen

I remember how rough your hand felt on mine
On my wedding day
And the tears cried on my shoulder
I couldn't turn away
Well so much has happened to me
That I don't understand
All I can think of is being five years old following behind you at the beach
Tracing your footprints in the sand
Trying to walk like a man

By Our Lady Of The Roses
We lived in the shadow of the elms
I remember ma draggin' me and my sister up the street to the church
Whenever she heard those wedding bells
Well would they ever look so happy again
The handsome groom and his bride
As they stepped into that long black limousine
For their mystery ride
Well tonight you step away from me
And alone at the alter I stand
And as I watch my bride coming down the aisle I pray
For the strength to walk like a man

Well now the years have gone and I've grown
From that seed you've sown
But I didn't think there'd be so many steps
I'd have to learn on my own
Well I was young and I didn't know what to do
When I saw your best steps stolen away from you
Now I'll do what I can
I'll walk like a man
And I'll keep on walkin'

---------------------------------------------

The first line begings with, "I remember how rough your hand felt on mine on MY wedding day.

MY wedding day. Not our wedding day. So, whose hand is it?

He remembers being five years old following behind this person at the beach.

Is this Patti? Did he know her when she was five?

Tonight someone steps away from him and alone at the alter he stands.

He's not the father giving away the bride so who steps away from him at the alter?

Now he's watching his bride come down the aisle.

What????

The years have gone and HE's grown from that seed YOU'VE sown.

He goes on to talk about how he watched someone's best steps stolen from them.

WHAT????

Talk about not following a train of thought!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 06:49 PM
Here's a verse from the Tunnel of Love song, "One Step Up."

There's a girl across the bar
I get the message she's sendin'
Mmm she ain't lookin' too married
And me well honey I'm pretending
Last night I dreamed I held you in my arms
The music was never-ending
We danced as the evening sky faded to black

------------------------------------------------

Okay, so now he's married to Julianne, flaunting his affair with Patti and singing about being at a bar, pretending he's not married cause there's a girl sending him a message.

Then, he skips to talking about having a dream where he was holding someone else in his arms.

Again, no continuity. The theme as usual about being with a "little girl," a woman, and then incorporating lyrics into the same song that includes him dreaming about being with a another female. One who is not the subject of the song.

Talk about scattered! Not being able to stay on topic or continue the train of thought so the song makes sense.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 06:52 PM
Here's a verse from Tunnel of Love album, "When You're Alone" song:

I knew some day your runnin' would be through
And you'd think back on me and you
And your love would be strong
You'd forget all the bad and think only of all the laughs that we had
And you'd wanna come home
Now it ain't hard feelings or nothin' sugar
That ain't what's got me singing this song
It's just nobody knows baby where love goes
But when it goes it's gone gone

-----------------------------------------------

Who is running? Julianne? Patti?

The answer is no.

So, who is this song about?

Someone who would want to come HOME?

Someone who left the nest?

Someone who spread her wings like a butterfly and flew away never to return?

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 06:55 PM
Two Faces
Tunnel of Love
Bruce Springsteen

I met a girl and we ran away
I swore I'd make her happy every day
And how I made her cry
Two faces have I

Sometimes mister I feel sunny and wild
Lord I love to see my baby smile
Then dark clouds come rolling by
Two faces have I

One that laughs one that cries
One says hello one says goodbye
One does things I don't understand
Makes me feel like half a man

At night I get down on my knees and pray
Our love will make that other man go away
But he'll never say goodbye
Two faces have I

Last night as I kissed you 'neath the willow tree
He swore he'd take your love away from me
He said our life was just a lie
And two faces have I
Well go ahead and let him try

-------------------------------------------

Clearly, he's saying here that he has an ALTER. Not three faces of Eve. But, two faces of Bruce Springsteen.

One that is mean and does things he doesn't understand.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 07:09 PM
The constant fan CHATTER about how Scailfa and Springsteen belong together; their chemsitry, blah, blah, blah, is so childish.

But, we wouldn't expect anything else.

Mature folk don't post on the site. Just "cult" followers who have had their state of consciousness altered to that of children.

You're acting as if they just married yesterday.

Didn't you know they've been husband and wife for over a decade?

Like I've stated, they deserve each other.

HothSnake
07-29-2007, 07:21 PM
This is all quite interesting... I couldn't finish it all on one sit down, but I got the gist of it. Bruce Springstein, eh? Somehow, I believe you BlueAngel. This guy has always been a media darling.. Seriously, has there ever been a negative story about the guy? He's made out by the press to be the quintessential American hero (more like god.)

And I'm well aware that the music and entertainment industries are MK-Ultra/CIA playgrounds. Marlyn Monroe had all of the markings of a sex slave. Just watch the Kubrick flick "Eyes Wide Shut," which is an illuminati homage to Monarch slaves. Hell, it starts in the title with the classic double speak used in programming.

Cathy O'Brien mentions Nashville Tennessee and the country music industry as being a hotbed for this type of activity. Much of it was moved to Branson, Missouri and Northern Arkansas in the 80's. I guess that Clinton used to hang out there a lot.

Do you know anything about that area and its current operations, given that I'm from Missouri? I read that a large CIA base located in Lampe, Missouri is where they run the Branson operation. Basically, this region was set up as a massive drug smuggling highway in the early 80's (they love to operate in rural areas, like Nebraska and the Midwest).

Also, you say that you were part of their cult. Did they use familiar spirits, etc. Sell their souls to the devil and that sort of thing? Sort of like the recent movie "Tenacious D" makes a spoof of. What was this cult, besides Satanic?

Also, do you think that Chris Benoit was a Monarch Slave suicide?

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 08:12 PM
HothSnake wrote:
This is all quite interesting... I couldn't finish it all on one sit down, but I got the gist of it. Bruce Springstein, eh? Somehow, I believe you BlueAngel. This guy has always been a media darling.. Seriously, has there ever been a negative story about the guy? He's made out by the press to be the quintessential American hero (more like god.)

Yes, he is a media "darling." As well, he has been referred to in writing as a "darling" of the intelligence community and we know what part of the intelligence community they would be referring to. No negative stories about Springsteen except for what you read here by me. Yes, quintessential American hero media spin and, right, more like a GOD type figure with a "cult" following.

And I'm well aware that the music and entertainment industries are MK-Ultra/CIA playgrounds. Marlyn Monroe had all of the markings of a sex slave. Just watch the Kubrick flick "Eyes Wide Shut," which is an illuminati homage to Monarch slaves. Hell, it starts in the title with the classic double speak used in programming.

Marilyn Monore most definitely, as they say, a "Presidential Model" ending in what they made to look like a suicide.

Cathy O'Brien mentions Nashville Tennessee and the country music industry as being a hotbed for this type of activity. Much of it was moved to Branson, Missouri and Northern Arkansas in the 80's. I guess that Clinton used to hang out there a lot.

Do you know anything about that area and its current operations, given that I'm from Missouri? I read that a large CIA base located in Lampe, Missouri is where they run the Branson operation. Basically, this region was set up as a massive drug smuggling highway in the early 80's (they love to operate in rural areas, like Nebraska and the Midwest).

At this point, no. Doesn't mean it won't surface. I've had sparse recollections of Arkansas and Clinton from very early years, but not involving the "drug smuggling ring," but that term itself may prove helpful. Knowing that he was to be an Oxford graduate before he attended. Knowing he was to be in the Governor's mansion before he was there.

Also, you say that you were part of their cult. Did they use familiar spirits, etc. Sell their souls to the devil and that sort of thing? Sort of like the recent movie "Tenacious D" makes a spoof of. What was this cult, besides Satanic?

I am a product of sexually abusive parents. I was identified as gifted in elementary school. I believe my involvement and incarceration in Project Monarch began at that point. Yes, they sell their souls to the devil. The devil is a part of their world. As far as familiar spirits, not sure what you mean. I haven't seen the movie with "Tenancious D." It's difficult for me to watch many of THEIR movies, such as "Eyes wide Shut," because, for me, they have a deeper meaning than what other people view. Also, due to triggers, etc. They live in a world of spirits.

You ask, what was this cult besides satanic? Just to say, I was used as a "sex slave" within the music industry as a young child and most probably into my early teenage years. It is a "pornography ring." I was used in CIA/Mafia pornography and to sexually blackmail politicians at home and abroad. It is a "drug ring." Not sure, but I've had memories of being used to smuggle drugs. It is a cult that practices "sexually deviant behavior." There is a thread about MKULTRA/Project Monarch and experimentation that I was subjected to, as well. It's incredible, but seems I was used in many facets. However, the ultimate agenda was to use me in the music industry.

Also, do you think that Chris Benoit was a Monarch Slave suicide?

I don't know about Chris Benoit, but just seeing that one of his stage names was Pegasus, for some reason, gives me pause. Did he publicly say something before his death, that may have prompted a staged suicide?

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 08:36 PM
Can you imagine being a female, looking at a picture of Springsteen and Scailfa together during his affair with her while married to Julianne Phillips and commenting in the present about it:

Just LOOKING at it, you can FEEL the heat!

HOT! HOT! HOT!

Why would a female be so excited about Springsteen and Scailfa's sexual interaction with each other?

Very strange!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 08:47 PM
Being the media darling that Springsteen is it was really difficult for me to swallow back in the day.

Can you imagine?

I basically had to "block it out."

Seriously.

This man was my controller/handler while I was a "little girl."

He sexually and in many other ways abused me.

He's a disgusting, sadistic, sexual deviant, mind controlling pig!

That was one of the most difficult obstacles to overcome.

I was left for almost brain-dead and he continued with his life, as if....

But, the day has arrived and he has not yet truly paid the price.

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 09:02 PM
I did read one negative article about Springsteen since I've been writing here.

His daughter adores Nick Lackey as reported in the article, but instead of Springsteen taking her to a party were Lackey was in attendance, The Boss went himself and it was reported that he pushed through the crowd to run over to Lackey and give him a great, big hug.

Apparently, Springsteen is attracted like a magnet to "little girls" and/or the words, "little girl." Had to perform a duet with Jesse Malin, "Broken Radio," that has the words "litle girl" in it.

Maybe he's his handler! Let's see how many other songs Malin produces with the words "little girls" in them. As I've stated, "little girls," are sex slaves in the music industry.

I've mentioned on this thread that when I was on Springsteen's official site and emailed Lampshade, a poster there, a not so "brilliant disguise," perhaps, I told him that I felt like I was being watched.

I received in response the lyrics to The Police's song, "Every Breathe You Take."

At first, in an altered state, I didn't find this song to be strange. However, when I left the site and SHOOK the semi-altered state, I was talking to my husband about it and we began to refer to it as "The Stalker song."

Recently, there was an article in our local newspaper about The Police's Reunion Tour and a reference made about the song, "Every Breathe You Take," as "The Stalker Song."

Interesting!

BlueAngel
07-29-2007, 09:10 PM
Creepy!

Someone meets Scailfa for a few brief moments and determines that she's a gracious and humble lady.

She considers Springsteen OUR HERO and hopes that he treated her very well today because it's her birthday.

GOSH, they are so concerned. Just one big happy family, Springsteen, Scailfa and their fans.

She can't imagine that he didn't treat her very well because she deserves it.

My, I'm sure Scailfa and Springsteen are laughing at these mind controlled fans all the way to the bank.

Another fan wishes Scailfa a happy birthday and says it's a special time to celebrate the gift of YOU to the world.

What have they done?

Someone?

Clue me in cause I missed it.

I mean, I know Springsteen isn't what most people think he is due to media spin, but what's Patti done?

Married him?

Scary!

These fans are quite scary!

By the way, has Scailfa always had red hair?

Seems to me her hair wasn't red in the cover picture of her and Springsteen in People Magazine sometime in the 80's.

konig19
07-29-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay. But you believe in invisible devil creatures that can't be proven.

BlueAngel,had you lived let say 500 hundred years ago before the invention of the microscope you wouldnt believe that bacteria existed either.
And if somebody would tell you,people are getting sick because of little invisible creatures,you would call them insane.
Even scientist at the time of the discovery of bacteria by Antony van Leeuwenhoek around 1700 hundred didnt believe him at first,not until they couldn't deny it,by having see it themself.
Not knowing something,not trying to understand something,does not mean is not there.
Bacteria was always there,in fact its the oldest living organism and yet nobody pretty much believed that bacteria existed until just recently.

There is ample evidence supporting the existence of other creature (beside us), which we can not see,creatures which are working behind the scenes.


It's impossible to see evidence if something is invisible. Again, Lucifer was introduced into the Bible for their EVIL purposes.

Many things in science are invisible,like I told you above,bacteria is invisible and most people didnt believe it existed.Yes I know bacteria is visible to our eyes right now because we can see it with special equipment.
Gravity is invisible,we can not see it,but we believe in it.Its an invisible force,which we can not see .But that does not mean we cant prove it exist.We prove Force of Gravity not by looking at it(because its invisible,cant see it) but by experiments which prove its affect.


Lucifer,the devils,were not introduced as something imaginary to scare people.
But it is God who tells us about them,the Bible is truly God's Book,but unfortunately it is
corrupt,something we all have to be aware of.


Quran:
[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.



If I don't know someone, I don't judge. If I know someone is evil, it is not a judgment. It is fact.
Whatever,it makes no sense Angel. :)
To label somebody an evil person,you have to judge that person on his/her actions.
You dont just say,Oh..what an evil person!,and I know he is,because its a fact.
No, nobody whats to hear that.
What people want to hear is why you think a person is evil,what is it that that person did,so people can make there own judgment about that person.



I don't follow the Quran.

Neither do most so called Muslim follow the Quran,only because they dont want to understand it.
Quran:
[3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.



Truth is only One.What is there after the truth but falsehood?

Again, for you, there is only one truth. Not for me.

You are deliberately misunderstanding what Im trying to say.
Let me say it again:There is only one truth,everything else is falsehood.
The truth is that God created us and everything that exist.
There is only one truth how life came into being,there is no several truth.

Quran:
[7:54] Your Lord is the one GOD, who created the heavens and the earth in six

days, then assumed all authority*. The night overtakes the day, as it pursues it persistently,

and the sun, the moon, and the stars are committed* to serve by His command. Absolutely,

He controls all creation and all commands. Most Exalted is GOD, Lord of the universe.

[10:3] Your only Lord is GOD; the One who created the heavens and the earth in

six days, then assumed all authority*. He controls all matters. There is no intercessor,

except in accordance with His will. Such is GOD your Lord. You shall worship Him.

Would you not take heed?

[11:7] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His

(earthly) domain was completely covered with water - in order to test you, to distinguish

those among you who work righteousness. Yet, when you say, "You will be resurrected

after death," those who disbelieve would say, "This is clearly witchcraft*."

[27:60] Who is the One who created the heavens and the earth? Who is the

One who sends down to you from the sky water, whereby we produce gardens full of

beauty - you could not possibly manufacture its trees? Is it another god with GOD?

Indeed, they are people who have deviated.

*11:7 The six days are simply a yardstick providing us with a lot of information. Thus, we learn that the vast lifeless physical universe was created in two days, while the tiny mote called "Earth" was created in four days (41:10-12). The provision of food, water,
and oxygen for the earth's inhabitants had to be precisely calculated and arranged.
**11:7 The earth was initially covered with water. Subsequently, the land mass emerged, and the continents drifted apart.



More truth, possibly? Again, it is your opinion that there is only one truth.

Yes,there is only one truth,not an opinion,but the truth :)



I thought you said there was only ONE truth? Seems like you've listed a whole lot more. Really? People are responsible to think and make our own judgments. You're not imparting anything WE don't know as we're not blindly following other's opinions. If that's not obvious to you, I'd say you are blinded.
You are missing the point,when I say there is only one truth.
The fact that 19x3is 57 is the truth,is the one truth,19x3 will never be 56.
The fact that the Earth and the Moon serve life on this planet is the truth.
You can not say we can exist with out either one,because we cant.


This thread isn't about religion/the Quran. This thread is about mind control within the music industry.

You asked me about the truth,God is the Truth.
The truth is:Truth is being pushed aside,most people will follow others opinions rather than the truth.
The truth is people are following corrupt/false,religious teachings.
But most people dont care,most people love it,most people attack corrupted religious beliefs all the time,24/7,in order to prove religion is nothing but a lie.
When in fact those people will never argue intelligently about religion,but will joyfully credit all the evil that people do to religion.

God never commands injustice amongst the people.
Its the TRUTH.



It's a "satanic cult" and it isn't FAKE.

I know it isn't fake,those people have sided with the devils.They worship the devils,even they will tell you,but not all do.Bush wont tell you,for a reason.



You say, my religion is not anything. I don't believe anything, but yet, you say, OUR RELIGION IS FULLY DETAILED. I think you're slipping.
Truly you are slipping woman.
Like I said I dont believe in anything(I know what meaning this has by itself,never said it without explaining the meaning behind it),meaning anything that makes no sense,which is just peoples opinions and guesswork.
Most people tend to believe anything others come up with, without any proof.
I believe in the truth which can be proven ,and which makes all the sense.Truth is not anything,but its the truth.

I have no doubt,I know,that most people are confused,because they follow,and believe in that which is nothing more but wishful thinking.
And most people dont care.


Quran

[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*

[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.

[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.

[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.

[1:6] Guide us in the right path:

[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.

113:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[113:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak.

[113:2] "From the evils among His creations.

[113:3] "From the evils of darkness as it falls.

[113:4] "From the evils of the troublemakers.

[113:5] "From the evils of the envious when they envy."

[114:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[114:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of the people.

[114:2] "The King of the people.

[114:3] "The god of the people.

[114:4] "From the evils of sneaky whisperers.

[114:5] "Who whisper into the chests of the people.

[114:6] "Be they of the jinns, or the people."



O you who believe, you shall embrace total submission; do not follow the steps of Satan, for he is your most ardent enemy. [2:208]

Satan found them readily fulfilling his expectations. They followed him, except a few believers. [34:20]

O you who believe, do not follow the steps of Satan. Anyone who follows the steps of Satan should know that he advocates evil and vice. If it were not for GOD's grace towards you, and His mercy, none of you would have been purified. But GOD purifies whomever He wills. GOD is Hearer, Knower. [24:21]

Satan is real,not only that,but can control,influence, people for his evil cause.

Peace.
Praise be to God,Lord of the Universe![/quote]

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 08:08 AM
As far as the elementary school I attended, it was said that the people who came to the school were TALENT SCOUTS.

Surely, a CIA operation.

Anyway, they were looking for children with "photographic memory" and insomuch as my family had connections to the Mafia; my parents were sexually abusive; I was most probably dissasociative at that point; perhaps being used in pornography; we would have to assume that they already had their EYES on me and my sister.

My sister was in first grade and her first grade teacher lived with us for some time.

WHY?

I have no clue.

The class was learning to memorize in order the Presidents of the US.

I was not in elementary school at this time. The kindergarden class was across the street at a church.

The church may have served as the location where the gifted/talented children were taken.

I have a memory of being picked up from the Church by my mother, but somehow I don't believe I was in Kindergarden.

I don't think my sister was chosen for what they referred to as a PILOT PROGRAM.

I WAS TALENTED; I was high IQ. I was writing poetry in second grade and was, to a certain degree, taken under the wing of my second grade teacher whom I have said played the guitar and left the school after that year and returned to the Army; stationed in Germany.

She visited my home when I was older. There was a knock on the door. I was home alone. This was usually the protocol when I was being retreived.

I opened the door, she had her uniform on and said, "what's the matter, big girl? Don't you remember me?"

It is clear that I constantly told my parents we did not stay wherever it was we were taken. We were taken from the school grounds to another location.

My memory is not completely intact regarding where we were taken; how we were transported there.

As above, the church may have served this purpose.

Our school was near the Opa-Locka Air Force Base. Whether there were underground tunnels, not sure.

I am looking on the school grounds, searching and I can't seem to locate them.

I remember my father saying that he didn't give them permission to remove me from the school grounds.

Something to that effect.

There is a memory of my second grade teacher, Judith McGraw, driving me home from school one afternoon.

Now, if that isn't strange, tell me what is?

She visits my home after she leaves her teaching job and I'm older.

She drives me home from school one day.

She is in the Army.

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 08:11 AM
Konig19,

Take your SATAN worshipping BS somewhere else.

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 08:44 AM
So, who has been reviewing and writing about Springsteen's music all of these years?

Deaf, dumb and blind folks?

They can't read lyrics?

They can't hear him sing?

They can't see him play the guitar?

Must work for the "music mobsters."

Must be a part of the "Musical Industrial Complex."

Must be protecting him from someone or something!

What's that I hear?

Well brunettes are fine man
And blondes are fun
But when it comes to getting the dirty job done

I'll take a red headed woman
A red headed woman
It takes a read headed woman
To get a dirty job done

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 09:11 AM
The elementary school was Myrtle Grove Elementary School.

Our post office was Opa-Locka; however we lived in Carol City, Florida.

Opa-Locka Air Force Base served a more important military function back in the day.

You'll have to research this.

Landing strip for Air Force One.

There was a hanger for the Good Year Blimp. However, I see myself in this hanger; looking at this hanger. Standing in front of it with someone. Could have been used for other "mind control" purposes.

Now, how I was able to access this base, is beyond me.

There were military guards at the gates, of course. I see them and I see that we are driving through.

Obviously, my second grade teacher was military and would have been able to enter.

I believe a girlfriend from junior high school and I were able to access the base when we had our driving license without question.

Whether or not this is because at some point, it was shut-down and there were no longer guards, I'm not sure.

There was military housing and someone I knew, not sure who he was and where I knew him from, lived on the base with his father.

I see his father in uniform and they have a dog. A pug dog.

The housing they lived in was on base which might indicate he was a higher rank that those who live off base.

This brings me to high school. This girlfriend of mine once asked me if we were in some sort of "work release" program in high school.

I can't even begin to explain my high school. Seemed you didn't need to take the mandatory basic classes.

But, anyway. Could have been we were taken to the military base from high school by someone else.

In fact, this girlfriend, whom I once asked if she knew about the marking on my ankle that looked like a butterfly, said yes, and that was the last conversation I had with her.

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 11:27 AM
I said I wouldn't be looking at any more of Springsteen's lyrics.

I believe I've highlighted what the man is in more ways than one.

I won't be visiting backstreets.com any longer, either.

The "Promised Land" is full of "sex crazed" adults in altered child-like states who drool over pictures of Springsteen from 30 years ago, making comments such as, "looks like he has more chest hair in that picture" and "oooohhh, come to mama baby!!!!"

Their lives exist for Springsteen. He is a god-like figure to them through decades of mind control.

Apparently, their deaf, dumb and blind, as well.

The political board is full of "sadistic pigs" and mind controllers.

I've highlighted this from my past incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used in the music industry when a "little girl" as sex slave; Bruce Springsteen being my main handler/controller/abuser. I never accepted the man as GOD; although this is a tactic used. Others infect your mind with the repetition that Satan/Lucifer/Devil exists; they are invisible (check out Konig19's comments) and you then look to your controller as GOD to protect you, but he is cut from the same cloth.

I've highlighted this through my infiltration on his OFFICIAL site and their attempt to gain control of my mind, keep me in an altered state and ultimately cause a mental breakdown; suicide and/or institutionalization.

I've highlighted this through looking in at his unofficial site which is www.backstreets.com (BTX - ticket exchange).

The other areas I wouldn't even step foot in. Can't imagine what lurks there.

BlueAngel
07-30-2007, 05:04 PM
As a child being incarcerated in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and used as a "sex slave" in the music industry.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN being my main handler/controller/abuser, I was NOTICED as someone who could get myself OUT and bring back information at the same time to those who have been working behind the scenes for decades to reveal the truth about our government.

It's called INFILTRATION. It's called working as an operative.

When I first landed at Springsteen's OFFICIAL site and the reason for doing so was because I heard all the chatter about how he had, at a show, yelled out, impeach the President.

My first words to an "insider" whom I was emailing was that I had "infiltrated" this website.

My subconscious knew before I did.

Ironic, isn't it?

Ironic, isn't it, as well, that this "insider" told me websites were a waste of time.

Was he an insider or a fraud?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 06:56 AM
Oh, that pizza story about Springsteen having pizza and beer with some fans who were working on an E Steet housing project.

Just gives you the warm fuzzies all over, doesn't it.

Let's see. They're with Mad Dog Vinnie (a former Springsteen band member).

One of the fans calls Springsteen's management (just happens to have the number) and asks if he can meet them at the pizza place.

Springsteen calls HER cell phone and comes over on his motorcycle.

Shares beer, a shot and some pizza with HIS fans.

The fan wishes more stories like this would be published to show the "generous" side of Springsteen.

WHY?

Why do you care?

Do you think his reputation is something else?

Afterwards, they go over to Mad Dog Vinnie's house.

WOW! Just your typical fans, eh?

Another fan comments that he doesn't see Scailfa as physically attractive and bets Springsteen is STILL tapping his groupies on the side.

KennyWally
07-31-2007, 10:37 AM
BA,

since I saw no response , I'll assume you missed my comment's
----------------
BA said ;

"The SPOTLIGHT was what? A magazine, a newspaper? It reported on the "corrupt" music industry? How so? What did it say?"



sorry , it was a newspaper! it reported on everything it seen that it thought wasn't right.

and since dad is gone I can't ask him what they said about it. sorry.

If you clik that american free press link , you can see for yourself what they cover, I think there a free issue in pdf you can download.


----------------

and your story/comments reminds me a bit of cathy o'brien

http://www.trance-formation.com/

are you familiar with her and mark ?

if so , do you care to comment?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 11:50 AM
I saw your comments.

As far as Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, I am aware of the handful of Project Monarch victims/surviviors who have published books.

Of course, most of us have some similarities to our stories, but my past incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch has many differences, as well.

I have revealed the "satanic cult."

I have revealed the "corrupt" music industry's involvement with sex slaves, such as myself.

I have revealed one of their most lucrative cash cows, Bruce Springsteen, as my main controller/handler/abuser.

The differences are many!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 03:18 PM
MadMel knows all. So she thinks. Gives herself way too much credit.

A fan decides that he doesn't think Springsteen should do another VFC tour.

Remember, no negative comments about Springsteen allowed on the site, or you will be reprimanded.

MadMel wants to know if the guy is upset because Springsteen didn't bring VFC to Germany.

Dumb comment!

Like the "Vote for Change" tour during our presidential election belongs in Germany!!

Because MadMel believes VFC was one of the most joyful, enthusiastic and moving tours she's ever seen, her opinion is written in stone.

Yes, very moving. Moving for her. Didn't do anything to move the country forward.

It paired Springsteen with Skull and Bones' Kerry and made lots of money for the music industry.

What a bunch of frauds!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 03:20 PM
Is MadMel talking to a dog with her signature picture or a slave?

"You're not being punished. You just haven't been rewarded yet."

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 04:48 PM
Does MadMel actually think whether or not she supports a political agenda really matters?

In her altered state of mind, she does believe that what she supports politically and what she posts at BTX is influential in the political world.

Most of the posters on the site are under this impression.

They think that their HERO Springsteen is somehow changing the political agenda in the United States and, so, too, are they.

Unbelievable, but true.

and

Frightening to say the least.

Delusional at best!

Now, tell her when the Springsteen show is in LA cause she can't wait any longer.

Make sure you don't post a comment with a typo because this is a "high crime" as far as MadMel is concerned.

Wade took Figgy for a walk yesterday and told her not to tell anyone where they had been.

2Hearts was calling for Figgy again.

"Here, figgy, figgy, figgy!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 04:49 PM
Oh, yes, and the "Is anybody alive out there" mantra was posted!

I think SOMEONE was expected to respond.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 05:48 PM
Jersey Shore Music Veteran Terry Magovern dies
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 07/31/07
KELLY-JANE COTTER
MUSIC WRITER

Frank "Terry" Magovern, an influential presence on the Jersey Shore music scene for some 40 years, died Monday.

Note that Springsteen incorporates the names Terry and Frank and/or Frankie in several of his songs.

Magovern, of Rumson, was an early fan and supporter of Bruce Springsteen and many other musicians in Asbury Park's seminal music scene.

In the 1960s and '70s, Magovern managed bars and booked bands in nearby beach towns, including D'Jai's in Belmar, the Riptide in Point Pleasant Beach and the Captain's Garter (later the Headliner) in Neptune. In the early '80s, Magovern managed Big Man's West in Red Bank, a club owned by E Street Band saxophonist Clarence Clemons.

Magovern worked with Springsteen in myriad capacities, on tours and in the studio, but was most often described as a personal assistant to Springsteen. On the liner notes to Springsteen's 1995 album, "The Ghost of Tom Joad," Magovern is credited for research."

But, MadMel said Springsteen did intensive research for this CD regarding illegal immigration. What capacity did Frank serve in the studio and on tours with Springsteen? What were his music credentials?

Magovern also worked with Clarence Clemons during the saxophonist's time with the Red Bank Rockers.

Any musician, reporter or fan who spent time on the Springsteen circuit eventually ran into Magovern, whose imposing physical presence - he was a NAVY veteran - and deep voice belied his kind personality.

"He was a gentle giant," recalled Jimmy Vivino,, guitarist for the Max Weinberg Seven and for the Fab Faux, among many other projects. "He always had the time to help me out and be a friend. He was a confidant. He always had a twinkle in his eye, like he had inside information, but he couldn't tell you."

After the death of his fiancee, Joan Dancy, in 2005, Magovern became an advocate for people suffering from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Dancy died of ALS, and she had asked Magovern to create a support group that would help others in her situation. Magovern founded Joan Dancy and PALS, based at Riverview Medical Center in Red Bank.

Magovern's work with PALS continued until his death. On July 1, he was featured in a story in the Asbury Park Press about $183,000 raised for PALS by Shop-Rite and its customers.

It is not yet known who will serve as Magovern's successor in PALS.

Magovern also was involved with other local charities, including Holiday Express, which brings live music and gifts to needy or isolated people every December, and Light of Day, which supports research into Parkinson's Disease.

Magovern also was involved with Apple Jack Canine Kennels in Maryland, which trained bomb-sniffing dogs for the military. He also developed a program to train dogs for use as companions and protectors of women who have been victims of domestic violence.

Magovern grew up in Belmar, where he attended St. Rose High School.

He was a four-year veteran of the U.S. Navy, completing Special Warfare Training. He specialized in underwater demolition work before being assigned to work with the Mercury space program and the original seven Mercury astronauts.

He is survived by his daughter, Laurie Guinan, and son-in-law, Michael Guinan, both of Eatontown; his son, Sean Magovern, and daughter-in-law, Andrea Magovern, both of Avon; five grandchildren, Michael and Matthew Guinan and Michael, Kyle and Maggie Magovern; and eight siblings, Dennis, Richard, Robert, James, Brian, Mary and Patrick Magovern, and Lee Boydman.

He was predeceased by his parents, Frank and Rosalie Magovern.

Did Springsteen use a derivative of Frank's mother's name Rosalie for his song, "Rosalita?"

A memorial service is scheduled for 2 p.m. Thursday at United Methodist Church of Red Bank, 247 Broad St. Arrangements are by Thompson Memorial Home, 310 Broad St., Red Bank.

Memorial donations can be made to the Joan Dancy & PALS Support Group, Riverview Medical Center, 1 Riverview Plaza, Red Bank, NJ, 07701.

------------------------------------------------

So, is it just me or do you find it somewhat interesting that this is the second person, so far, in Springsteen's life that was involved with NASA? Remember, Carl "Tinker" West was involved in NASA, as well, and possibly other clandestine operations. There is a third person who was with the Navy, DNA; a poster on Springsteen's site, who mentioned that he has personally known the glorious Mr. Springsteen for 30 plus years.

I also believe Paddy/Patriot has insinuated some connection to NASA. Could be a part of his "dreamworld" and not actually a reality.

We know that "high tech" mind control programming and experimentation takes place at NASA on children incarcerated in their "cult," and what they learn, whether involving music, etc., is then distributed to the masses through their operatives; taught to handlers/controllers, etc.

Any group/individual working for the NWO, a part of the NWO, involved in mind control, in my opinion are not completely acting of their own free will. One is just as controlled as the other.

By the way, does anyone know what the cause of death was?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:20 PM
By RYAN NAKASHIMA, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 19 minutes ago

LAS VEGAS - Britney Spears threw a baby bottle and threatened two photographers after they took pictures of her leaving a Las Vegas spa, the photographers said in a statement on Tuesday.

Spears yelled "I am going to kill you! I am going to f--king kill you!," at Andrew Deetz, the photographer who was allegedly beaten by Spears' bodyguard on Thursday, according to a statement released by their lawyers. The men, Deetz, 24, and Kyle Henderson, 23, said they were preparing to sue.

The men were taking pictures of Spears, 25, as she and her children — 22-month-old Sean Preston Federline and 10-month-old Jayden James Federline — left the spa at the Wynn Las Vegas casino-hotel at about 11:30 a.m., accompanied by two bodyguards.

One bodyguard, Cesar Julio Camera, 37, pushed Henderson against the wall until Wynn security intervened and asked Henderson to leave, the statement said.

As they were about 30 paces away and walking in the opposite direction, Camera attacked Deetz from behind, threw him on the ground and punched and kicked him until security pulled him off, it said.

Afterward, Spears ran toward Henderson but was stopped by security, and then threw a baby bottle at him, it said.

Then, in front of several other hotle guests and bystanders, Spears threatened to kill Deetz and said he should get a restraining order against her because she was going to kill him or hire someone that would, it said.

Camera also told Deetz on July 23 outside the Lisa Kline boutique in Beverly Hills, "I have unfinished business with you," the statement alleged.

Spears' lawyer Gary Stiffelman declined to comment.

Wynn Las Vegas released a statement confirming Spears stayed at the hotel and left on Thursday, but also declined to discuss the incident.

"We respect the privacy and do our utmost to maintain the anonymity of our guests," it said.

Las Vegas police issued a summons for a charge of battery to Camera, the only person cited in the incident. He could face up to six months in county jail and a $1,000 fine if convicted.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:26 PM
Are you serious?

You make Springsteen out to me more of a sought after persona than he is.

You say Terry knew all to well the extent people (more like fans) will go to in order to get a glimpse of BRUCE!

Give me a break!

If they attend a memorial for this reason, it speaks to their "state of mind."

One Springsteen fan says about Terry. It's about loving a man who served us wonderfully.

How did he serve US wonderfully?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:35 PM
Oh, wow! I've been talking lately to my family members about how I feel out of the loop. Just a sayin'. Nothing to it, really.

Anyway, Pamela just commented she feels "out of the loop."

What a Springsteen groupie MadMel is!

She's met Gary Tallent, Springsteen in a bar, and Terry Magovern at the L.A. LOD.

From this meeting, she's determined Terry was gruff on the outside, with a heart of gold.

MadMel knows all!

She goes on to say that The Bruce camp has lost a really good man.

Bring 'em home says that reading the obit takes her back to her days on the Jersey Shore.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:37 PM
I think most of the posters are a part of the Bruce "kiddie" Camp.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:40 PM
Ooohhh, when MadMel was in a bar after a show and Springsteen was sitting behind her, they both stood up at the same time and Springsteen knocked his chair so hard into MadMel's that she went flying.

Well, guess what?

MadMel gently put her hand on his shoulder, looked into his eyes and said, "Thanks, Bruce."

WOW! What else happened?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 07:42 PM
See that. I told you MadMel knows all.

After the incident, she says that Springsteen bid everyone farewell and headed upstairs to bed.

She knew he was headed upstairs and to bed!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 08:41 PM
Was Carl "Tinker" West; a rocket scientist; involved in clandestine operations; NASA and Terry "Frank" Magovern; a NAVY veteran, tactical warfare specialty; assigned to the Mercury Space Program; NASA, PROGRAMMERS?

A rocket scientist and a Navy veteran working on the Mercury Space Program involved with Springsteen and other musicians.

Springsteen sings about a Terry and a Frank and/or Frankie.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 08:43 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like Springsteen spends alot of time hanin' out in bars with his groupies?

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 08:51 PM
Patriot just posted a picture of himself and MadMel acts like she's never seen him before; although I distinctly remember her saying on Springsteen's official site that she had met with him in LA and was attesting to his kind character since what he displays is totally opposite.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 08:57 PM
Highway Patrolman
Bruce Springsteen

New Jersey Turnpike ridin' on a wet night 'neath the refinery's glow, out where the great black rivers flow
License, registration, I ain't got none but I got a clear conscience
'Bout the things that I done
Mister state trooper, please don't stop me
Please don't stop me, please don't stop me

Maybe you got a kid, maybe you got a pretty wife the only thing that I got's been both'rin' me my whole life
Mister state trooper, please don't stop me
Please don't stop me, please don't stop me

In the wee wee hours your mind gets hazy, radio relay towers lead me to my baby
Radio's jammed up with talk show stations
It's just talk, talk, talk, talk, till you lose your patience
Mister state trooper, please don't stop me

Hey, somebody out there, listen to my last prayer
Hiho silver-o, deliver me from nowhere

---------------------------------------------

Oh, Mister State Trooper, please don't stop me!

He's got a clear conscience 'bout the things that he's done, but, then again, the only thing he's got has been bothering him his entire life.

And, it will continue!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:08 PM
2Hearts, I don't seek nor do I want the attention of "psychopaths" or SOMEBODY!

Clearly, I'm not an attention starved child like yourself and your comrades.

Yuck! The constant stroking of one another demonstrates your void and need for attention.

I'm paying attention to YOU and that puts me in the driver's seat!!

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:13 PM
2Hearts comments that their imaginery pretty, little pussy cat, Figgy wants somebody to pay attention to her.

WOAH!!!

MadMel tells FIGGY to jump into her lap and she'll give her a kitty massage.

As far as demented behavior, this is just the "tip" of the iceberg.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:19 PM
Was Carl "Tinker" West; a rocket scientist; involved in clandestine operations; NASA and Terry "Frank" Magovern; a NAVY veteran, tactical warfare specialty; assigned to the Mercury Space Program; NASA, PROGRAMMERS?

A rocket scientist and a Navy veteran working on the Mercury Space Program involved with Springsteen and other musicians.

Springsteen sings about a Terry and a Frank and/or Frankie.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 09:29 PM
This is frightening, but only the tip of the iceberg!

DNA talking to Figgy...

Hey, Figsters, did you know my Yanks hit 8 round-trippers this evening and not one of them by Mister 499? Simply amazing, puddy tat, simply amazing.

BlueAngel
07-31-2007, 11:05 PM
Hey, MadMel, if you want to go to a Springsteen show, you better log off BTX 24/7 and get a job or start asking for donations like you did in the past.

A poster made a typo in the Political World and MadMel has been hounding him about it for days.

She tells him to think first, then type. Words to live by, especially in POLITICAL WORLD.

WORDS TO LIVE BY ESPECIALLY IN POLITICAL WORLD.

Unbelievable!

She says, Aw. I think I hurt Ply's feelings.

What a CHILD!!!

She's probably stroking and giving a massage to that pretty, little pussy cat on her lap right now.

MadMel says she's far from being a miserable person, but WE know she is.

She's a prisoner of her own device over at Springsteen's unofficial site just like the rest of them.

SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LIFE!

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 07:29 AM
There are Springsteen informants all over the place.

BREAKING NEWS, just reported:

The Patriots are listening to Bruce while training...Two Bruce songs were played over the PA system at Gillette Stadium last night..."Thunder Road" & "Mary's Place".

OMG!! They actually play Springsteen's music on the radio????

Who would have thunk it?

Very masculine songs for football practice, too!

Does he want the Patriot players to meet him at Mary's place?

Maybe it's a mind control experiement.

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 07:34 AM
Since when does Springsteen have to disguise himself in public?

When has he ever been MOBBED by "little girls" or adult women in child-like altered states?

Or by his male fans?

Seriously, get a grip!

Oh, the hype and the spin!!

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 12:04 PM
Terry Magovern died in his sleep. The cause of death was not immediately known.

He joined Springsteen in 1987 during his Tunnel of Love Tour.

I wonder what role he played?

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 12:17 PM
Could you imagine feeling this way:

A poster asks if it's just his age or are a lot of folks dying this year; especially from the music world.

Thousands of folks probably die every day. Not year

He says it seems like every week or so he hears or reads about someone dying.

It happens everyday. Where have you been?

He wishes he had the sort of passion in his life that Bruce has for what he does, how he spends his time. Maybe then his life wouldn't seem so pointless in filling the world while not having much impact on it.

Is this not sad? This poster thinks Springsteen has passion. Springsteen's songs are depressing and the man himself, as expressed in his lyrics, his personal life and my past victimization by him, is unbalanced, to say the least.

He also thinks Springsteen has an impact on the world. Ah, Springsteen has an impact on his FANS as you have evidenced.

No wonder these people follow Springsteen. He has sucked the life right out of them. They live through him.

This poster thinks Terry, since he died in his sleep, may have died of a broken-heart. I suggest you've been listening to Springsteen's songs way too long.

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 01:39 PM
Springsteen's fans are under the impression that he's ONE OF THEM.

He's not.

Never worked a blue-collar job in his life.

It's all a show!

Tricks of the trade.

Sleight of hand.

Mind control.

He's a part of the "satanic cult/NWO."

He sold his soul to the devil for fortune and fame.

He's wealthy and you save up your hard earned dollars and stuff them in his pockets.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 07:18 PM
So, MadMel believes she's a news reporter!!

Any breaking news, political or otherwise that you've already read on the internet, in the paper or seen on television is reported on the site by MadMel.

In fact, this is a ROLE played by most of the posters and then the debates begin.

As far as the BRIDGE COLLAPSE which, of course, MadMel posted, DNA actually had to say, Mel is right, that is horrific.

As if it would be anything but!

BlueAngel
08-01-2007, 07:19 PM
I'm sure the plug on Springsteen's OFFICIAL forum at Sony was pulled for liability reasons.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:34 AM
A poster on Springsteen's unofficial site asked the question something like, "how much do you love Bruce?" If anything happened to him ala John Lennon, etc.

I will say this and I've said it before. If anything suspicious happens to Bruce Springsteen, you will know WHY and by WHOM.

The powers that be.

I say this not because I personally care what happens to the MAN.

I say this because it is FACT!

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:46 AM
I'm sorry to inform you of this, but no one really cares whether or not you are Springsteen fans.

Just you and your pack of sheep.

There are far more important people and issues in the world than to be concerned about a musician's fan base.

As far as your comment that people don't understand what it means to be a Springsteen fan.

What does it mean?

If you feel this way, you've probably expressed to someone you know you're infatuation with the man and my guess would be this is what they don't understand.

Complete dedication and total devotion to a man whom you don't know except through his songs.

And, what you know of him through his songs sends you worshipping at his feet.

I suppose the lyrics to his songs, the themes of his songs is what attracts you to him.

Birds of a feather....

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:52 AM
Well, they're not your average fans.

Some are projecting they'll see 20 shows during the next tour.

Some will fly to Europe to see Springsteen there.

One fan will max out his visa card to the tune of $750.00.

Springsteen just keeps em' comin' back for more.

He even recycles his fan base from arena to arena.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 09:09 AM
They sit in suspended animation until Springsteen's next album is released.

His life is their life.

They have nothing to talk about. Seeger Sessions is over and they await his next move!

One poster says that he better release his new album quick or the next thing you know, they'll be talking about whether or not Springsteen uses milk or sugar in his coffee.

They already do this to a certain extent.

THEY MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT with regard to the MAN.

They have nothing else in their lives.

JUST HIM! and he's not even a part of their lives. They're in some kind of "altered state" believing that he is the same as they are.

But, he is not one of YOU. He is one of THEM.

Springsteen and Company keeps throwin' them a bone and they will continue to knaw on it for the rest of their lives.

Oh, the mystery!

I remember saying to Springsteen, "you're one of THEM." You're just like one of THEM. Just like the rest of THEM. Just like the others and you want me to believe that your're not. You want me to believe that you're different. You don't act differently. You act just like one of THEM. You treat me just like the rest of THEM.

You abuse me, you pass me around to your friends like a hot potato and act as if it's no big deal.

You do this and expect me to believe you have no choice. It's who you are. It's who you will always be.

You do it of your own free will.

Nothing more and nothing less!

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 12:09 PM
You can never trust anyone who speaks out against THEM. They are highly paid dupes. They are most times, used as pawns in their game of chess, by the Banksters/Illuminati to attract the sheep or steer them away from someone or something else.

Ultimately, these "puppets" are used to further the NWO agenda by appearing to be "against them" but truly, instead, "with them."

Whether knowingly or unknowingly under their control.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 03:34 PM
So, the word is that Springsteen is releasing an album in October.

This isn't good enough.

The "cult" fans need to know exactly when and they need a press release about it NOW.

INCREDIBLE!

If they find out tomorrow that the album will be released October 2nd does this alleviate all their anxiety?

Does this give them something to look forward to because they have nothing else.

Oh, the waiting.

Now the word is that the album is INCOMPLETE!

Perhaps, Springsteen will write a song about his experience of the death of Terry "Frank" Magovern, says one poster.

Living their lives through his experiences and storytelling.

The man has more stories than Carter's got pills.

Fairy-tale artist that he is his "child-like" cult following is trapped within the confines of the make-believe world he created for them.

What is it with Wade?

Constant references to getting a bat and using it on someone.

Apparently upset over the VICK dog-fighting.

MadMel is losing it. First the picture of the noose, the veterans without legs, one holding Bush by each arm and the caption that they'll give him a colonscopy.

Now, a picture of two dogs, teeth clamped down on each side of a t-shirt with the name VICK on it.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Can you imagine posting on Springsteen's message board all day and projecting what he might be doing, saying to Landau in the wake of Magovern's death?

Pondering him all day.

Thinking about him all day.

Protecting him from insults as if it's their JOB or something.

Hoping that he's happy.

Listening to his music 24/7.

Talking about his songs 24/7.

Looking at pictures from 30 years ago and drolling over him.

What's to drool about?

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 05:25 PM
Keith Richards reportedly signs a seven million dollar deal to publish his autobiography.

DO WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT KEITH RICHARD'S LIFE?

It will be a little bit of truth, with a whole lot of fiction!

Traditionally, books about musicians don't sell very well.

This book is being touted as the most eagerly awaited book ever to come out of the hollowed halls of rock and roll.

Oh, yeah. What an inspiration and role model Keith Richards is!

Richards has never been shy about expressing his opinions in interviews, with Jagger often bearing the brunt of his acerbic wit. The guitarist got himself into big trouble with his own family earlier this year when he claimed that he snorted the ashes of his dead father. He hastily backtracked after generating worldwide headlines.

BlueAngel
08-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Funny, isn't it? Before the show, "Don't forget the lyrics" was born, I was talking to my husband about how there should be a 'show' where contestants sing a song without the words being provided, which would capture the "wrong" lyrics that people believe exist in a song.

Lo and behold, my creativity has come to fruition.

You would think I had pitched this IDEA to a television producer!

You know, gifted/talented/creative; good ideas; insightful. Just what they were looking for.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 06:04 AM
I tried to see what was going on over at another Springsteen site, Greasy Lake.net, but you have to register, which I did, and then be approved for ENTRY by an administrator.

So far, no word!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 06:22 AM
They're not sure if their pretty, little kitty cat is a female or male any longer.

Figgy is under the chair and said SHE won't come out until Wade brings HIM a home cooked snack.

Since they're so good at MAKE-BELIEVE should we believe anything PERSONAL or otherwise that they say about themselves.

The answer is NO!

Vast plays in a band and has been advised by the owner of the cafe to go over to the Loose Ends forum cause people over there like being exposed to new music.

There is a link on the web with one of the guys that supposedly plays in Vast's band in some kind of competition.

Vast is told that if he's not welcomed by the crew over at Loose Ends to mention the cafe owner's name and then there won't be any problem.

Talk about security!!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:56 AM
To say you weren't Boston Blackie, Wade, isn't worth anything.

You have no credibility just like the rest of your co-horts from BS.net and BTX.

Now, go find the figment of your imagination. The Cafe's pretty, little pussy cat, Figgy. I'm sure you want her to sit on your lap.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:59 AM
Funny, isn't it?

Vast portrays himself as someone who has never seen a Springsteen show.

Doesn't talk about the man's music.

Stated he doesn't attend concerts because of the cost of tickets.

Not that he can't afford it, cause remember he has a black American Express card and is a self-made millionaire.

Just the principle of the matter for him.

However, when the Springsteen site was being invaded by the so-called Drudge people, he knew every instrument Springsteen plays, posted pictures of his guitars.

Impressive!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 08:03 AM
Maybe Wade has been on this site. Seems he was missing in action for quite some time over at the BS.net and BTX site.

Vast is OUT. Or, so he says. As if anyone cares.

Out of his mind, is more like it.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:06 AM
Remember, I've talked about how when I was young, eating produced THE VOICES.

Also associated with eating was the fact that my food may have been poisoned.

An altered state of consciousness effect and commands embedded.

Needless to say, "starving myself to death" or becomming anorexic was the plan.

Look at how many actresses suffer from this dis-order. Angelina Jolie comes to mind!

I also talked about the fact that after revealing intelligence, eating was a problem while on Springsteen's official site. How I lost about 20/30 pounds and, finally, I was given permission to eat by DNA.

This brings me to the Political World Cafe over at BTX. I couldn't figure out why they are consistent in explaining what they're having for dinner, what Jazz, Wade's dog is eating which is a home-cooked people meal. Why the posting of pies, coffee, etc. All the alcoholic drinking.

Now I know!

Suggestions!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Remember, VAST was the poster who referred to me as Wendy on the board at Springsteen's official site and told me to take my meds!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:11 AM
Springsteen tells you exactly what he's doing in these lyrics:

"It's a sad funny ending to find yourself pretending
A rich man in a poor man's suit"

America’s favorite blue collar rocker requires a legion of his own hair, make-up and wardrobe people (and a separate battalion for his significant other and yet another for his band). Among other things, his dressing room is to be stocked with Beluga caviar, seedless white grapes, Evian in “GLASS BOTTLES ONLY”, Westrae Natural Nonfat Soy Milk, and BioChem Wheat Powder Protein Supplement. All napkins must be linen and “all drinks must be iced down at least 1 hour prior to the artist’s arrival”. Stage right must be stocked with chilled San Pellegrino, chilled Perrier stage left.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:14 AM
Yep, SoulBoogie, Springsteen is your drug and the drug for many of his other "cult" followers.

As he says, some folks need drugs to ease the pain that livin' brings.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:24 AM
Incredible!

2Hearts says that Devils and Dust was a solo effort. That I can agree with. A very poor effort, I might add. However, it was incredible according to 2Hearts.

2Heart's dream is to see a Springsteen show in a romantic city like Rome, etc.

I assume if this materializes, in her dreams, she's on a romantic vacation with Springsteen.

In terms of live performance, no one comes close to Springsteen, she says.

Really? I saw him twice and didn't feel that way.

Clapton was great and Paul Simon was awesome!

Springsteen's "dramatics," yelling, screaming, preaching, story-telling, rolling around on the floor, well, not really impressive.

Add that to his guitar playing and vocals, too.

I almost forgot about his "disgusting lyrics."

Maybe this tour he'll sing red-headed woman with Patti right next to him and Reno, too, with his mother and children in the audience.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:27 AM
2Hearts is sooooooo excited that some posters who have proclaimed to never have been to a Springsteen show might be attending one during the next tour!

Excited that they may join in on the EXPERIENCE of witnessing a real LIVE E Street Band show; be transformed and catapulted into BRUCE WORLD!

Oh, the anticipation!!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:58 AM
You know, you can read this site without logging in so your username doesn't appear on the sideline.

You only need to log in when you're going to post a comment or start a thread.

That is, unless your goal is to let certain other posters on the site know that you're online and this is your only intention.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 10:06 AM
Iverille, on Springsteen's OFFICIAL site, once commented that Liars?? was back after I had just returned from errands and hadn't posted yet.

How'd they know this?

Anyway, Iverille is now Louie on the unofficial site.

I think all Springsteen site's are official inasmuch as I don't see how an internet site dedicated to Springsteen could do so without his approval.

I mentioned Greasy Lake. There is also "Tramps Like Us," and "Beneath the City."

I'm sure there a many, many more.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 10:09 AM
So, as I said to Torchlithill the other night, why is it that posters who have been banned from a forum or left of their own device return to websites where they are known by other posters under a different username?

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 01:42 PM
Over at the BTX Bruce Springsteen Institute of Brainwashing and Mind Control in the Promised Land Forum, the question of the day is:

"What's your Bruce song you know you "should" love, but don't, and why?"

Very thought provoking.

This should keep the children busy for at least a week or two.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 01:56 PM
Like a long line of artists before him, Bruce Springsteen has used his voice not only to entertain his audiences, but to inspire them. Bruce has made it a tradition at his concerts to encourage support for hunger relief and social service organizations, and a growing group of fans has taken that advice to heart.

Of course, if Springsteen says it, you must do it. Otherwise, you couldn't have thought about it for yourself. So, give the man credit for your actions cause you're only acting because he said so.

In October 2003, one member of an online music forum suggested that donations be made directly to the websites of area food banks, accompanied by the message “Bruce Sent Me ”. She wrote, “The idea is to demonstrate, in a tangible way, what a difference the music we love can make in the world.”

Why can't you just make a difference without attaching the music you love to it? Springsteen could make a really huge difference if he'd part with some of his fortune. Instead, he commands his POOR fans to donate in his name and he receives the credit. Sleight of hand.

Several months and tens of thousands of dollars later, "Bruce Sent Me” has sent you to America’s Second Harvest, because, like the artist himself, you want to make a difference.

Springsteen wants to make a difference? How so? By encouraging other people to donate in his name?

We are America’s largest hunger-relief organization, uniting more than 200 Member food banks across the country, to feed 25 million people each year. We're glad you chose to visit us online and tell us that Bruce Sent You.

Our more than 200 Member food banks are helping people get healthly, nutritious meals across the nation and in your community all year long.

To show others what a huge difference your music community and three small words like "Bruce Sent Me" can make, America's Second Harvest has made it possible for you to help end hunger!

Oh, yes, you've made it possible for us to to help end hunger. Right! I'm not saying don't donate. Donate in your name. I'm just saying the prospect of ending hunger is very slim as long as the GREAT SUPRESSORS REIGN!

You don't need to cook anything - just make a donation with our "Bruce Sent Me" donation form! It's that easy!

Or, if you prefer to make a "Bruce Sent Me” donation directly to your area food bank, enter your zip code to find the America's Second Harvest affiliate nearest you.

Yes, please make a Bruce Sent Me donation in your name, but put HIS name on it.

We hope you can take the time to explore the rest of our web site and learn more about America’s Second Harvest, what we do and how we do it.

So go ahead - tell everyone "Bruce Sent Me" ... remember, everybody's got a hungry heart, but nobody should have to go hungry.

Just because Springsteen sings "everybody's got a hungry heart, doesn't make it so.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 02:40 PM
Yes, the D&D tour was absolutely fabulous. How he presented those and other songs was just so amazingly unique and innovative I almost forgot I was watching and listening to a solo artist performing them. The man's ability to keep dipping deeper into his creative reservoir never ceases to amaze me.

Oh, the droning on and on of Dream Baby Dream. A real "suicide" song. He played music, sang some songs. That's dipping into his creative reservoir?

You attend multiple shows, cause you just never know what Bruce might throw your way at any given show, and that might include some of the most mindblowing reworkings of any given song in his vast, vast catalog.

I think he's throwing the dogs a bone. "MINDBLOWING REWORKINGS!" Yep, I think you're mind is blown, alright. Are you referring to his vast, vast catalog of "little girl" songs?

Simply put, he really makes a point of mixing things up so you walk away from each show satisfied that you've experienced something as unique as all his other performances.

Yep! I'll say. He's is MIXED UP alright and so many of his songs have mixed messages, were mixed by others and simply cannot be understood. As in, they make no sense. YOU walk away from each show satisfied thinking you've experienced something unique.

And it really doesn't matter whether you dig his latest album or not (there are no bad Bruce albums, only ones that are better than others), because his performance standards are so high that anything he records in the studio is almost guaranteed to be elevated 3 or 4 notches in overall musicality once he brings it to the stage.

I think this person is a BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN PROMOTER and/or mind controller or he's in LA LA land. Take your pick. He says it doesn't matter whether you dig his latest album (what he's referring to are his flops) because there are no bad Bruce albums, only ones that are better than others. Inotherwords, ones that are better than the flops. Sounds like double-speak to me. Oh, yes, once Springsteen brings his musicality to the stage, watch out. The transformation begins.

That's what makes him so incredibly unique over all performing artists: HE'S BETTER LIVE THAN IN THE STUDIO!

He's mediocre LIVE with or without the E Street Band. You're seriously delusional here! The studio albums are so engineered, there's no way his LIVE performance could be better.

He thrives on the give and take happening between him and his audience.

There's a give and take between Springsteen and the audience that he thrives on. WOW!!


There are few artists as committed to satisfying their audience as Bruce has always been.

More like mind controlling his audience.

The reciprocation of love and energy is unlike anything you've ever experienced before.

OMG!! The reciprocation of love and energy between Springsteen and his fans is unlike anything you've ever experienced before, this male worshipper of Springsteen writes. You must be in an altered state rigth now to speak like this. FYI, most people experience love from someone they share their life with and not a musician whom you propose loves you and you love him back when you see him at a show. FRIGHTENING!

The different places he takes you emotionally throughout an entire show is simply unmatched by any other musical artist. I can't wait to be baptized again!

So, you like Springsteen playing with your emotions? What a fool. OMG! He wants to be baptized by the "cult" leader again.

As for DITD, I guess I'm one of the oddballs because I have also found it to be a very snappy tune with lyrics that always resonated with someone who is Bruce's age.

Yep. You're an oddball, alright.

You sit around getting older
There's a joke here somewhere,
And it's on me;
Ill shake this world off my shoulders,
Come on baby, this laughs on me.

I loved hopping straight up and down to the version played during the Rising tour. I mean, good god, watching 10,000 baby boomers going boing-boing for minutes at a time was something to see and experience.

Yep, you get your jollies watching baby boomers going boing-boing for minutes at a time. Doesn't take much to entertain children. Amazing. What a sight and experience that must have been!!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 02:52 PM
MadMel, just because you saw one lady who appeared to be 60 years old doesn't mean Springsteen attracts fans of all ages.

DNA says that being within 20 feet of the stage pretty much guarantees you more than your eyes can handle.

Maybe WADE isn't gay. Sounds like you are.

Maybe people want to be near an exit so they can EXIT during the show. Not everyone WORSHIPS the man and not everyone finds his music and vocals pleasing to the ears or the sight of him more than their eyes can handle.

You want to be upfront, DNA, so you can look at BRUCE cause he's more than your eyes can handle, but also hoping to be jostled by some babe, too.

Sounds like you're lacking in the intimacy department and/or bi-sexual, as well.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 03:27 PM
Check your last post in the Cafe, 2Hearts, you seem to be making lots of typographical errors. MadMel would pounch on anyone else for that. It's a no-no on in the Political World forum. As MadMel said, "words to live by."

HERE:

that could BE a real geographical challenge to coordinate . . .

Divide and conquer. You can't start out by making your attendance conditional.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 03:37 PM
Nils and Stevie do the guitar playing. Bruce does whatever to make it appear that he's actually producing some of what you're hearing and you can't count Scailfa because she's doing the same as her husband.

Seems to me her presence on the stage is purely for cosmetic purposes. He has to introduce her as the "First Lady of Love." What is Springsteen? The First Man of Sex? Don't think red-headed woman would have the same effect without her there.

Maybe when he sings Born to Run, he ought to bring Wendy on stage.

Or, when he sings "Thunder Road," how 'bout Mary join him.

Or, Doreen, or the other dozens of females/males he sings about.

Line them all up at the end to take a bow.

Springsteen wants Scailfa on stage with him and his fans want her there. As far as they're concerned, she makes him happy and they're a match made in heaven.

And, Springsteen's happiness is all they care about.

Ahhh, how sweet!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 06:34 PM
Plan your trip, people. Buy your airline tickets, book your hotel rooms, fork up your money for Springsteen and the E Street Band's next tour.

It might be the last one!!

Make sure to see several shows in several different cities and quite possibly overseas.

Remember, your blue-collar dollars going to a rich man in poor man's clothes.

You wouldn't want to miss hearing LIVE any of the new songs on the CD you are so eagerly awaiting for release in OCTOBER.

Cause, you know his LIVE performance cannot match the love received from him; the give and take from the audience. The thrill, the excitment.

You wouldn't want to miss out on hearing those old, recycled, reworked songs again. You know, the ones you've been listening to over and over and over again for 30 plus years.

Last but not least, if you don't go, you won't have anything to talk about 24/7 when you get back and log on to BTX!!

Remember, you live for Springsteen. You eat, breathe and sleep for Springsteen. You exist for Springsteen. Your life belongs to Springsteen.

You have no life!! He took it. He took your heart, your soul and CONTROL!!

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:44 PM
As I thought, many people on the BTX site and Sony's site who know Springsteen personally.

As far as Magovern's passing, one poster states he's known Springsteen since he was 15 and many indicate they knew Terry "Frank" Magovern.

Springsteen's right-hand man as I remember him.

"TERRY MAGOVERN, REST IN PEACE
It is with great sadness that we report that longtime Springsteen associate and close friend Terry Magovern, 67, passed away in his sleep on Monday night. For the last 20 years, Magovern could be seen regularly at Springsteen's side. An imposing figure, seemingly the walking embodiment of "You better be good for goodness sake" wherever he accompanied Springsteen, Magovern had a kind and gracious nature, one pleasantly at odds with his professional image. Magovern began working for Springsteen in 1987, but the two had already known each other for decades by that point.

Navy man; NASA connected; knew Springsteen for decades before he began working for him in 1987. What were his CREDENTIALS as far as the music business?

They met at the Upstage in Asbury Park in the late '60s; "Right from the first time I heard play," Magovern told journalist Robert Santelli, "I believed in him and his music." In 1971, as manager of the Captain's Garter in Neptune, Magovern hired the Bruce Springsteen Band to play.

In the years that followed, Magovern managed a number of Shore clubs, including Clarence Clemons' Big Man's West in Red Bank. By the time he went on the road with Springsteen for the Tunnel of Love Express Tour in 1988, he had a wealth of experience in the music business. He has been an intergral part of Springsteen's work life ever since.

[b]Terry had a wealth of experience in the music business. How so? He managed bars in the 60's and booked small acts. He wasn't an agent. HE HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF SPRINGSTEEN'S WORK. How so? What does a right-hand man do for a rock star? Dress him?

It would be hard to overestimate the impact Magovern's loss will have on those with whom he worked, just as it's hard to pin down what his job actually was.

JUST AS HARD AS IT IS TO PIN DOWN WHAT TERRY MAGOVERN'S JOB ACTUALLY WAS. TOP SECRET, PERHAPS. LOVER MAYBE?

Magovern was "Road Manager" on the Tom Joad tour, "Personal Assistant" on the Rising tour... but just as often his official role was no more (and no less) than being himself, as in the multiple tourbooks that list the credit, "Terry Magovern: Terry Magovern." Personal aide, liaison, researcher, reconnaissance man, right-hand man, right arm...

WOW! All that. Road Manager, Personal Assistant, Liaison, Researcher, Reconnaissance man, right-hand man, right-arm. Boy, sounds like Springsteen can't function without being surrounded by a whole lot of people who do everything for him. Is his job that difficult?

Magovern played a larger role than we can probably know in helping Springsteen navigate the demands of his profession and get his music to the masses. And he touched many other lives along the way. Our hearts go out to all those who knew and loved him.

Why can't we know the larger role he played? What did he do to help Springsteen navigate the demands of his profession and get his music to the masses. I thought Landau did that! You know, the making of Bruce Springsteen. The future of Rock and Roll.

Magovern's death follows that of his fiance, Joan Dancy, from ALS in 2005; after Dancy passed away, Magovern established an organization in her honor to help others who suffer from ALS. Donations, in lieu of flowers, will help that group's continuing work: The Joan Dancy & PALS Support Group, Riverview Medical Center, 1 Riverview Plaza, Red Bank, NJ 07701.

Watch for a tribute in Backstreets #87."

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 07:47 PM
I think Springsteen and Magovern were lovers. He wrote a few songs about a Terry and a Frank/Frankie that have homosexual overtones.

We all know Springsteen is gay.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:13 PM
I have one question:

Who did Bruce Springsteen get pregnant when she was just seventeen?

In the song, he says he and Mary met in high school.

Was her name really Mary?

Does he have a child out there somewhere that the public doesn't know about?

In the song he says he married Mary.

As far as we know, he's been married twice, but there was an article I posted on this thread that referred to Julianne as his second ex-wife.

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 09:28 PM
Don't know who Apple Jack is but he apparently knew Terry "Frank" Magovern and he has a contract with the Pentagon and not just for "bomb dogs." He does all types of training.

Magovern apparently bred, trained and provided "bomb dogs" for the military.

Someone was at a Springsteen rehearsal show and Magovern was there. He called this person over to a car in the parking lot where some bomb dogs were checking a bag.

This person asks Magovern, "what were WE looking for?" Magovern answers, "a bomb" and this guy says he wasn't joking.

Looking for a bomb at a Springsteen rehearsal show! That sounds unlikely, but then you drag someone over to an area where there might be a bomb.

NICE!!

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 08:13 AM
So, we've got a rocket scientist, Carl "Tinker" West, also involved in other clandestine operations; a Navy veteran, Nasa connected to the Mercury Space Program, a dog breeder who supplied "bomb dogs" to the military with friends/connections to the PENTAGON, Terry "Frank" Magovern, all CONNECTED TO BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN.

So, what expertise did they bring to the "Musical Industrial Complex?"

Programmers? Mind controllers? Handlers?

Both out of NASA!

Let's not forget Springsteen's connection to Skull and Bonesman, John Kerry, and the "love songs" he dedicated to him at one of his shows.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 08:29 AM
Springsteen also sings about a SONNY. Who might this male figure be in his life?

I CANNOT BELIEVE, BUT THEN AGAIN I CAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, THAT I MIGHT STILL BE HANGIN' ON BY A THREAD TO THEIR LIES!

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 09:45 AM
Springsteen looked through his song books for an appropriate song at Terry's memorial and couldn't find one.

Why not?

You've written songs about him.

I'll have to look through your song book for you on this thread and find them.

So, he wrote a song with line like this:

"when they made you, they broke the mold"

"we can rebuild the towers, but we can't rebuild a soul"

Who are THEY?

Not GOD?

Who made Terry?

The same people who were involved in the "Making of Bruce Springsteen?

Did YOU really have to include the twin tower tragedy in your song about a personal friend?

Come on!

When YOU say, WE can rebuild the towers, who are WE?

You include yourself as someone who can rebuild the towers?

When you say, "we can rebuild the towers, but we can't rebuild a soul," are you also referring to the thousands of souls lost in the towers or just Terry?

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 10:49 AM
The saying, "If I tell you, I'll have to kill you," is not a myth.

It's real!

It's a programmed command.

One, of course, that I recognize as such and, therefore, it has never and will never have any power over me.

06/13/1956

Look at the 911's in the above date.

A disaster waiting to happen it was said.

The combination of 9's and 11's is astonishing.

They use to say that all "red heads" are witches.

Amazing, how Scailfa's hair looked like mine back in the 80's.

I thought, perhaps, the Stevie I knew back in the day was Nicks or Winwood. Could have been.

However, now I'm beginning to believe it was Stevie Van Zandt.

Why is he referred to as Miami Steve?

I'll check it out.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 06:39 PM
Ex-bandmate sues Marilyn Manson 2 hours, 52 minutes ago

August 4, 2007

LOS ANGELES - Marilyn Manson's former keyboardist has sued the shock rocker, claiming he kept millions of dollars meant to be shared and bought items including a handbag owned by Hitler's girlfriend and a skeleton in a wheelchair.

Stephen Bier — whose stage name was Madonna Wayne Gacy — says he, Manson and other band members signed a partnership agreement in 1993 to share profits.

The suit, filed Thursday in Los Angeles County Superior Court, claims Manson and others deceived Bier into thinking the band wasn't making much money.

Bier says he began to think differently several years ago when Manson, whose real name is Brian Warner, went on a spending binge. He claims Manson owes him at least $20 million in shared profits.

From 2004 to 2006, the suit claims, Manson used band money to buy a $2 million home, collect Nazi paraphernalia and to give his fiancee at the time a handbag once owned by Eva Braun.

Manson also bought "African masks made of human skin, the full skeleton of a 4-year-old Chinese girl, and the full skeleton of a 17th-century male in a wheelchair,"

In addition, the suit claims Manson spent band money on personal drug treatment, a low-budget movie production, a Los Angeles gallery to display his artwork and about $450,000 for an engagement ring and his wedding to burlesque performer Dita Von Teese. She has since filed for divorce.

Bier contends that Manson and the band's lawyer and business managers cut off his salary payments and band credit card access and refused to pay his medical bills for work-related problems.

Manson's agent did not immediately return a call Saturday. But in an interview Thursday with MTV News, Manson denied the allegations and said he would fight them.

"The fact that he's claiming that I've treated him unfairly, financially, is really ridiculous," the singer said. "And I would never spend my money on a Chinese girl skeleton. That would be crossing the line. It's a Chinese boy, for the record."

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Manson says he would never spend his money on a Chinese girl skeleton. That would be crossing the line. It's a Chinese boy, for the record.

So, his band member's stage name was Madonna Wayne Gacy. Wasn't there a serial killer by the name of John Wayne Gacy and Marilyn, of course, last name Manson.

We all know about Charles Manson.

Both using female stage names. I guess no different than Alice Cooper with the make-up and all.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Songs in the album 2 Live Crew's Greatest Hits:


2 Live Crew - Boyz With Da Bass Lyrics

2 Live Crew - C'mon Babe Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Check it Out Y'all Lyrics

2 Live Crew - H-B-C (Head, Booty, and Cock) Lyrics

2 Live Crew - If You Believe In Having Sex Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Me So Horny Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Move Somethin' Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Pop That Pussy Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Some Hot Head Lyrics

2 Live Crew - The 2 Live Crew Mega Mixx Lyrics

2 Live Crew - The Pussy Caper Lyrics

2 Live Crew - The Splak Shop Lyrics

2 Live Crew - Throw The 'D' Lyrics

2 Live Crew - We Like to Chill Lyrics

2 Live Crew - We Want Some Pussy Lyrics

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Talk about "sexual deviants' within the music industry. Who produces this FILTH and why would they unless their agenda is to expose our youth to BETA programming, void of sexual inhibition. To condition our youth toward immorality. To minimize sexual promiscuity. To instill that sex equals love and love equals sex. To degrade women!

THE MUSIC MOBSTERS.

Those connected with CIA "mind control," the "satanic cult," child sex slaves, CIA/Mafia child/adult pornography; drug trafficing and the Psychological Strategy Board.

Can't find the lyrics to a song by 2 Live Crew titled, "Banned in the USA," but I read that Springsteen supported their use of this song.

From the list above, I assume it's just as filthy as the rest of their greatest hits.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY REFERRED TO AS 'GREATEST HITS.'

UNBELIEVEABLE!

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Apparently, I've missed alot having not paid attention to Springsteen for many years.

Did he really do a cunnilingus rap in front of a priest and nuns at St. Rose of Lima in Freehold?

Sounds about like him!

I suppose his kids and wife were there, too!

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 09:21 PM
Can't find any information re: Springsteen and Lynne Goldsmith relationship.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 09:24 PM
Scratch that!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 09:09 AM
If you don't have anything more important to do, 2Hearts has just invited everyone over to the Promised Land (guess it's invitation only) to the Brunch Brunch Thread.

They're kicking it off with, get this, "The Star Spangled Banner."

Oh, yes, paying tribute to American Hero; The Boss; Bruce Springsteen with America's anthem.

Sure you don't want to throw in RENO or Red-Headed Woman? Point Blank, Murder, Inc., On the Prowl, Ramrod?

Or, in tribute of the new poster who just joined CC, "Thunder Road" or "The River."

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Have you ever seen an artist so "critically" acclaimed for lyrics/songs that speak to absolutely NOTHING important?

Yes, you have.

The media "darling," Bruce Springsteen.

After all these decades, has he ever been asked about the song, "The River?" Who is Mary? Who did you get pregnant? Or, Born to Run and what the hell that song is about? I suppose those who write about him, interview him are instructed this way.

I'm sure it would produce the usual Springsteen psychobabble. You know, his music is just sooooo deep, us folks who aren't creative, well, we just wouldn't understand.

Or, similar to the psychobabble on the BTX site by his posse' who are constantly throwing some twist/spin on his albums, the reworkings, his performances, the lyrics/songs and what they mean. I suppose they need to do the explaining for his meaningless songs; mediocre musical skills to give them meaning and keep him propped up on the pedestal. Keep his die hard fans drooling for more. They do his thinking for him. They do his speaking for him.

At least my analytical skills are useful.

My goodness, the in depth analysis by SoulBoogieAlex in the Promised Land about the Darkness album is ridiculous.

The first sentence tells you were he's going to go with his analyzation.

"Darkness is a tricky album to touch..."

Oh, yes, Springsteens albums are just so tricky to touch.

Oh, the mystery!

Give me a break!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 02:10 PM
Now, over at the BTX "Springsteen Institute of Mind Control and Brainwashing," the discussion of the day is the "Tunnel of Love" tour.

When was that?

A decade plus ago, I think. When Springsteen was married to Julianne and having an affair with Scailfa.

A poster who didn't see the tour wants to be filled in.

NOW???

A decade plus later???

He wants to know the "highlights."

What highlights?

These?

They played some music and sang some songs.

Get real!!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 08:37 PM
Fire
Bruce Springsteen

I'm driving in my car, I turn on the radio
I'm pulling you close, you just say no
You say you don't like it, but girl I know you're a liar
'Cause when we kiss, Fire

Late at night I'm takin' you home
I say I wanna stay, you say you wanna be alone
You say you don't love me, girl you can't hide your desire
'Cause when we kiss, Fire

You had a hold on me, right from the start
A grip so tight I couldn't tear it apart
My nerves all jumpin' actin' like a fool
Well your kisses they burn but your heart stays cool

Romeo and Juliet, Samson and Delilah
Baby you can bet their love they didn't deny
Your words say split but your words they lie

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The Pointer Sisters covered this song. You're probably more familiar with their version.

So, the story Springsteen told at some point is that he wrote this song after seeing a downtrodden Elvis at the Spectrum in 1977.

That is weird!

Look at the lyrics. Seeing Elvis inspired him to write this song?

That is weird!

It's also said that Springsteen recorded it with the Bruce Springsteen Band and they manufactured the vocal.

MANUFACTURED THE VOCAL?????

Sound engineers work wonders/miracles in the studio with musicians whose vocals are medicore.

They put on the finishing touches!

Now go back to busying yourselves conversating about Springsteen's music cause you wouldn't want to have a life of your own!

Can you imagine posting on BTX in the Political World or in one of the other "Lands" 24/7/365? Talking about what you ate, where you went, what your dog is eating, giving advice to other posters to give to their friends? Informing everyone about everything you're doing. If your cat had a furball. When you're leaving your house to go bicycling. What your daughter is doing?

Unbelievable! But, nonetheless, true.

Lonely people. Apparently, they all live alone and have no one else to talk to and nothing else to do except discuss Springsteen 24/7/365 and/or pretend they're the political "oversight" committee.

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:03 PM
Is the song Ramrod about Sprinsteen ramming his rod (penis) into his female interest during sexual intercourse?

Just wondering.

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:11 PM
Here's one for the children over at the Bruce Springsteen Institute of Mind Control and Brainwashing.

Go through the alphabet and list the female names and male names he sings about.

Go through his repetoire of songs and count how many times he references "little girls," speaks from the third person, refers to himself by another name, sings about a male love interest, the amount of times he finds himself in a dream, in a bar, in the desert, broken heart, the derogatory lyrics about females, the amount of times he sings about dark clouds, thunder, trains, girls who are lonely, heartbroken, anal sex, oral sex, sex with prostitutes.

The list could go on and on!

Again, who is Mary and if he was two years older than Mary when she was seventeen, wouldn't that be considered statutory rape?

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:20 PM
I wonder if Springsteen's AWFUL song, Kitty's back, (can't even get through the intro and if you do the song drones on and on about as long as Dream Baby, Dream) is about Figment, the pretty, little pussy (Kitty) cat over at the BTX Political World Cafe. You know their imaginery feline friend whom they ask questions and post comments about.

Maybe the song is an attempt to "call back" the cat like alter of one of Springsteen's sex slaves. Or, perhaps, a particular sex slave, such as Wendy.

Ya think?

Does anyone know a person by the name of Kitty?

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:23 PM
The facial expressions on Springsteen's face when he's playing guitar are more dramatic than the sound he produces!

Most of the sound comes from Little Stevie Van Zandt and Nils.

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:29 PM
Female and Male names in Springsteen songs.

A = Angie
B = Bobbie/Bobbie Jean, Billy
C = Candy
D = Doreen
E = Eloise
F = Frankie/Frank
G = Gloria
H =
I =
J = Jenny, Janey
K = Kitty
L = Leah
M = Mary, Maria
N =
O =
P =
Q =
R = Rainey, Rosie, Rosalita
S = Sherry
T = Terry
U =
V =
W = Wendy
X =
Y =
Z

I'm sure I've missed many.

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:31 PM
A verse from Springsteen's "Youngstown"

Well my daddy come on the 0hio works
When he come home from world war two
Now the yards just scrap and rubble
He said, "Them big boys did what Hitler couldn't do"
These mills they built the tanks and bombs
That won this country's wars
We sent our sons to Korea and Vietnam
Now we're wondering what they were dyin' for

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What does this mean?

"He said, "Them big boys did what Hitler couldn't do?"

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:45 PM
41 Shots
Bruce Springsteen

41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots....
and we'll take that ride
'cross this bloody river
to the other side
41 shots... cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
Praying for his life

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
Your American skin

41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots and
Lena gets her son ready for school
She says "on these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you
Promise me you'll always be polite,
that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
Your American skin

41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
(music bit)
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it in your heart, is it in your eyes
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)

41 shots
And we'll take that ride
Cross this bloody river
To the other side
41 shots
And my boots caked in this mud
We're baptized in these waters
(baptized in these waters)
And in each other's blood
(And in each others blood)

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret
(It ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
Your American Skin

(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in
(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in
(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in
(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in
(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in
(41 shots)You can get killed just for living in

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I don't get it. Maybe I missed something in the story that this song reflects, but "41 shots and we'll take that ride cross this bloody river to the other side."

Lena and Charles. The way he personalizes this song is so wrong.

Does he know a Lena and/or a Charles who live in the ghetto?

WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?

And my boots caked in this mud
We're baptized in these waters
(baptized in these waters)
And in each other's blood
(And in each others blood)

Whose boots are caked in the mud? Whose taking a ride across the bloody river to the other side? A BLOODY RIVER? Who is batized in these waters and in each other's blood? Yikes! One of these songs where he sounds in and out, in and out and somewhat out there and CREEPY!! Starts out with a thought and then drifts away to another place!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 10:54 PM
I cannot believe Springsteen was referred to as a "Mama's Boy."

Apparently, they don't know the definition of a Mama's Boy.

What will they think of next?

Oh, yes, the poster child of a "Mama's Boy." All that singing about oral sex, anal sex, sex with "little girls."

A real Mama's Boy, alright!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 11:02 PM
The Hitter
Bruce Springsteen

Come to the door ma and unlock the chain.
Well I was just passin' through and got caught in the rain.
There's nothing that I want, nothin' that you need say.
Just let me lie down FOR a while and I'll be on my way.

I was no more than a kid when you put me on the Southern Queen.
With the police on my back I fled to New Orleans.
Well I fought in the dockyards for the the money that I made.
I knew the fight was my home and any blood was my trade.

Baton Rouge, Ponchatoula, and Lafayette town.
Well they payed me their money, ma, I knocked the men down.
Well I did what I did, yeah it come easily.
restraint and mercy, Ma,
were always strangers to me.

I fought champion Jack Thompson in a field full of mud.
Rain poured through the tent to the canvas and mixed with our blood.
In the twelfth, I slipped my tongue over my broken jaw.
I stood over him and
pounded his body into the floor.
Well the bell rang and rang and still I kept on.
'Til I felt my glove leather slip 'tween his skin and bone.

And the women and the money came fast and the days I lost track.
The women red, the money green, but the numbers were black.
I fought for the men in their silk suits to lay down their bets.
Well I took my good share, ma, I have no regrets.

I took the fix at the state armory with big John McDowell.
From high in the rafters I watched myself fall.
As they raised his arm, my stomach twisted, and the sky it went black.
I stuffed my bag with their good money, ma, and never looked back.
Understand, in the end, Ma, every man plays the game.
If you know me one different then speak out his name.

Ma, if my voice now you don't recognize.
Well just open the door and look into your dark eyes.
I ask of you nothin', not a kiss not a smile.
Just open the door and let me lie down for a while.

Now the gray rain is fallin' and my ring fightin's done.
So in the work fields and alleys, I take all who'll come.
If you're a better man than me then just step to the line.
Show me your money and speak out your crime.
Now there's nothin' I want, ma, nothin' that you need say.
Just let me lie for a while and I'll be on my way.

Well tonight in Stockyard, a man draws a circle in the dirt.
I move to the center and take off my shirt.
I study him for the cuts, the scars, the pain, Man nor time can erase.
I move hard to the left and I strike to the face.

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Oh, come now. "The Hitter is a subtle and COMPLEX song about a mother/son relationship and somehow reveals that Springsteen is a Mama's Boy!?!

THIS SONG IS NOT ABOUT SPRINGSTEEN and/or his life.

If you think it is, you must believe he is a boxer.

The only reference to a mother is about her opening a door and letting him come in and lay down.

Oh, yes. That certainly is very complex!!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 11:10 PM
You're thanking Adele Springsteen for producing the filth that she did?

Incredible!!

Don't you just love how Springsteen's posse' fill in the blanks to his songs as in "The Hitter."

Such, as, "The brutal drifter needs to see his mother, needs to sleep in his childhood bed, needs to get out of the rain, needs to have a home for one night. Though he asks "nothing, not a kiss not a smile," re-entry to her home, to remind himself he is still someone's son, is necessary."

The above statement about the song "The Hitter" did not come from Springsteen's lips, but it is written by one of his posse' to illustrate that Springsteen is a Mama's Boy.

He's not the boxer in the song. He's not the main CHARACTER, but this song somehow demonstrates that Springsteen is a Mama's boy.

The writer says, "No one can be completely bad if he's a Mamma's Boy at heart."

I BEG TO DIFFER!

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 11:25 PM
Incredible.

Not only did MadMel encounter Springsteen in a bar where she gently touched him on the shoulder, but she had another personally embarrasing moment during a show where she was in the pit, first row on Patti's side, and some joker, out of nowhere, just gives her a really hard shove square in the back.

MadMel flies forward winding up with her head between Bruce's knees and a hand on each of his thighs.

OH MY, she touched him again.

Seems she gets slammed around alot.

I GUESS THE PIT WAS LEVEL WITH THE STAGE for this to occur.

The moment lasted for what seemed like forever. She noticed Steven pointing and laughing. Meanwhile, the guy behind her says, "Hey! I did you a favor!" She tried to catch Bruce's eye to mouth "SORRY!", but he never looked down.

Later, she had to verify that this actually happened by checking with the witnesses on either side of her at the stage!!

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SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT HAPPENED??

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 07:43 AM
I find it STRANGE that posters at BTX discuss their obsession with Springsteen; how they don't understand other people who don't respond to him in the same way.

First of all, how do you respond to someone you have no contact with?

People are clearly coming out and pronouncing their obsession/stalker type behavior over Springsteen.

My point is that this type of converstaion could be SCRIPTED and used for future explanation!

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 08:53 AM
I wonder how it is MadMel knew Springsteen had partaken in some holiday cheer and was tipsy when he performed "Kitty's Back" on the Letterman show?

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 09:16 AM
All this talk about having to use "imagery" for Springsteen's songs.

I believe DNA is teaching an "Imagery 101" class and/or "Springsteen for Dummies."

DNA says that imagery is largely intended to show and not tell you how the poet/singer is feeling.

Really?

And, sometimes, the poet/singer/songwriter fails in his attempts and/or his lyrics don't make any sense. So, no matter how much imagery you use, many of his songs are headshakers.

When he sings about 250 up the ar*se, do we need to use imagery with this?

When he sings about oral sex with his wife, do we need to use imagery with this?

When he sings about being on the prowl for a wild child, do we need to use imagery with this?

Or

Is it just present without having to call upon some special skill? This imagery you talk about.

So many of Springsteen's songs are headshakers and the imagery, well, it ain't all that appetizing.

So, thanks, but, if I have to spend this much effort liking someone's music, I'll pass.

DNA explains that the ultimate test of the poem or song, is that you're only responsibility (WHAT? You have a RESPONSIBILITY when you're listening to a Springsteen song) is when you're reading it or hearing it; simply this: how does it make you feel? That's it. All responses to it are valid. Explanations are secondary to any emotions it may elicit. Requiring yourself to understand the poet/singer's meaning is akin to having a discussion with your lover about the anatomical machinations of intercourse while engaged in the act of making love. Just go with it, bro. Show, don't tell.

All responses to Springsteen's music are valid, DNA states. Aren't you thrilled that DNA has approved any response to Springsteen's music; emotional or otherwise as VALID? Aren't you glad that DNA has informed you of your responsibilities when listening to Springsteen's music?

Remember, this is the MAN who gave me permission to EAT while I was incarcerated in the "cult" on Springsteen's official site.

I'd suggest, as DNA says, just go with it 'bro, and look for the nearest exit door.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 09:35 AM
Actually, DNA helped his professor teach an image poem class while he was attending college. An accredited course, no less, he says.

DNA states that listening to the instrumentals in a Springsteen song is a great way to let it transport you somewhere else if you're not getting the lyrics. That's what decent art is all about! Bruce can sometimes hit you with so many different looks and hooks one must wonder just how many muses that fellow has occupying his soul and psyche.

One must wonder how many alters he has occupying his soul and certainly his psyche isn't in tact.

Oh, yeah, those looks and hooks Springsteen hits you with. What hooks and looks?



Just an amazingly deep well of creativity. Simply stated -- a genius, says DNA.

One man's opinion as to Springsteen being a genius doesn't make it so. Most probably the opinion of a handler/mind controller, as well.

Another huge reason you really need to be in attendance when he's working his magic.

Springsteen works his "black magic" on his audience.

It's spellbinding to watch this maestro direct the onstage ongoings, especially when he calls audibles to keep the band on its toes.

Oh, yes, spellbinding, indeed. Now he's a maestro? Oh my goodness, for those people all the way in the back, they're certainly missing out on this miracle.

I mean, the man has a repertoire of about 350 songs from which he can draw at any given moment. And the ESB knows when he's going to deviate from the setlist by the way he counts the song off. Now THAT'S tightness for you!

WOW!! The band plays well together. Isn't that the way it's suppose to be? Nothing fabulous here. He doesn't draw from a repetoire of 350 songs at any given moment. Half the time, he doesn't remember the words, or the music.

DNA says that when you understand some of Springsteen's songs that's because lyrically they're basically all written in a very straightforward, almost conversational, manner.

Really? So this is why you can understand songs that are written straightforward. Never would have guessed it. Thanks for the explanation, professor!

DNA goes on with his psychobabble: Imagery and metaphor are kept to a minimum. This essentially is how Bruce has been writing for nearly 2 decades now. 95% of the poems I post here are 20 or more years old. What little writing I do these days is in a very similar vein to the point of view the above-listed songs are written. It's all about growing and evolving while still retaining some of the elements that give your craft its unique, familiar voice. That inner voice is always there, no matter how differently you may dress it up.

Okay, let me get this straight. Songs like, "Let's Be Friends" are understandable lyrically because imagery and metaphor are kept to a minimum. FYI, metaphors are only successful in imagery when they are actually present. Which, by the way, is not the case with 95% of Springsteen's songs. That's why simply put, people don't understand them. They lose their meaning and imagery because metaphorically speaking, the metaphors are absent.

Oh, yes, all about growing and evolving. Blah, blah, blah.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 10:32 AM
How much of our imagery skills do we need to tap into in order to understand the metaphors in songs like?

Point Blank, "one false move, shot right between the eyes"

Murder, Inc.

The River, "Springsteen got Mary pregnant."

Ramrod

Pink Cadillac

Pony Boy

Red-Headed Woman

Reno

Code of Silence

On the Prowl

Ah, the list goes on and on.

Springsteen, does, of course, have many straightforward songs, such as HAPPY which he sings in the most depressing manner, but there are also many straightforward songs written from a warped mind at best, (a few mentioned above) with embedded messages, cryptic and double-bind meanings (not metaphors), triggers for disinformation, commands, etc. which is a part of the "mind control"/tricks of the trade and black magic that he uses on his audience as well as "mind control" victims/survivors such as myself.

However, in my case inasmuch as Springsteen was my handler/controller, the disinformation contained in many of his songs, embedded messages, double bind/cryptic meanings are more intense.

Simply put. He drifts in and out of the subject matter due to an altered state of consciousness, subconscious "recall" rendering many of his songs non-sensical, spoken in the third person, etc., or that of an alter and not metaphoric at all.

A few, perhaps, but not many.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Most of the people in Springsteen's songs are not characters.

These songs are written from his altered states of consciousness, alters, subconscious recall, make-believe while under hypnosis, his life, the people in his life.

HE is the CHARACTER(s)!

You're under the impression that it couldn't be him because his songs reflect different personalities.

That's the outcome of a "mind control" victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

Which he is.

Someone mentioned the Springsteen song with the lyrics:

something like:

noose around our necks. Pulled tighter.

NICE!!

4One actually states that she and a friend were kidnapped and the perpetrator put a noose around each of their necks and, therefore, this song resonates with her.

UNBELIEVEABLE!

They will say anything, won't they?

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 10:59 AM
WOW!! All the different versions of so many of Springsteen's songs at shows, boots, etc.

Really keeps those die hard fans busy comparing, comparing, comparing.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 11:28 AM
You know, that's the irony of my entire victimization by the "sadistic pigs" and Springsteen himself.

During my young life being used in the music industry as a sex slave. A victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch. Springsteen, a victim, as well.

I could have been incarcerated all of my life, like Springsteen, and so many others had I not rejected their disgusting ways and been determined to find a way out.

If not for the "insiders" who knew I could help them and they could help me by working as an OPERATIVE.

I could have matured to be just as immoral as Springsteen and stayed within the cult to rise from poverty to wealth had I not been so strong-minded in my beliefs against immorality and a born fighter.

My beliefs that my soul could not be bought and turned to filth for any dollar amount.

I found a way out. I had to. This, I was sure, was not what GOD wanted for anyone.

It's a cycle. A very vicious cycle. I had to break this cycle.

I was not going to marry someone within the cult. I was not going to subject my children to the "cult lifestyle."

I was determined to this end and my determination was the contributing factor to the present "free" life that I live.

Springsteen was born into the cult. Springsteen is a Project Monarch baby.

Did he have a choice in his young life?

Most probably not; however, he had a choice to make later on in his life when I defected and he chose the "satanic cult" for fortune and fame.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 12:37 PM
From www.christianitytoday.com

Bruce and the Almighty
Springsteen's religious imagery getting sharper.
Mark Moring | posted 8/06/2007 09:14AM

The first time I saw Bruce Springsteen in concert, as a 15-year-old back in 1974, I might've called it "a religious experience." In the 16 times I've seen him since, I've often thought he resembles an evangelist on stage—whether he's extolling the virtues of rock or urging the crowd to donate to a local food bank. This guy grew up in a Catholic home and seems to understand the concepts of sin, the Cross, confession, and redemption. These themes have all shown up in his music over the years.

Springsteen's last three studio albums—The Rising (2002), Devils & Dust (2005), and We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions (2006)—are especially rife with spiritual imagery. And, by default, so is this summer's release, Live in Dublin, which includes many cuts from the Seeger CD.

The Seeger Sessions, all songs previously recorded by folk legend Pete Seeger, includes "How Can I Keep from Singing?", "O Mary Don't You Weep," "Jacob's Ladder," and "Eyes on the Prize," an old Holiness hymn that declares, "I got my hand on the gospel plow / Won't take nothing for my journey now / Keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."

Devils & Dust, meanwhile, is chock full of songs about hope, love, and redemption, as well as tales of sin, brokenness, and confession. The album's spiritual highlight is "Jesus Was an Only Son," which poignantly captures the bond between Mother and Child:

As he walked up Calvary Hill / His mother walking beside him / In the path where his blood spilled / Jesus was an only son / In the hills of Nazareth / As he lay reading the Psalms of David / At his mother's feet …
Well, Jesus kissed his mother's hands / Whispered, "Mother, still your tears" / For remember the soul of the universe / Willed a world and it appeared.

Springsteen told The New York Times that although he's "not a churchgoer," his music is "filled with Caholic imagery..a powerful world of potent imagery that became alive and vital and vibrant...As I got older, I got less defensive about it. I thought, I've inherited this particular landscape, and I can build it into something of my own."
Mark Moring, CT online editor of music and film.

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Christianity today apparently recognizes Springsteen's violent, sexually laced, "little girl" obsession and homosexual songs as Christian. They and Springsteen attribute this to his Catholic upbringing. The spawn of Satan.

They've noted that Devils and Dust is a album full of songs of hope.

Yes. Hopefully, you'll get to be in a room with two hookers and pay one of them for $250.00 up the ar*se.

Then you'll hopefully get to lay by a campfire, while you're married to Scailfa, with a pregnant woman by your side, with two kids of your own.

They mention the Seeger Sessions CD, but, of course, these songs are all SEEGER songs and not Springsteen's.

The writer thinks Springsteen resembles an evangelist on stage.

Just the same as he resembles a rich man in poor man's clothes.

Here we go with the imagery. But, this time it's Catholic imagery.

What would that be? The devil's in the mailbox? The devil's snapping at your heals? Obsession with little girls, little boys and incest?

Or, ramrod?

How 'bout Point Blank?

Or, getting Mary pregnant when she was 17. Did he abandon her and the baby? Did he commit statutory rape?

That imagery?

Or, how he doesn't trust himself cause he has two faces?

Maybe his public affair with Patti while married to Julianne?

Or, when he sings red-headed woman with his wife on stage?

Or, when he allows his adolescent daughter to wear a shirt that reads, "I'm a red-headed woman" that speaks to oral sex?

That Catholic/Christian imagery?

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 12:44 PM
Oh, goodness! A Bruce sighting. Why do they refer to it as a Bruce sighting? How odd!

Is he in hiding or something? Are people constantly looking for him and he's always dodging and when they finally spot him they refer to it as a sighting?

New York Daily News Reports:

Bruce Springsteen and wife Patti Scialfa enjoyed a quiet lunch in the front room of La Goulue on Madison Ave. — maybe because fans were distracted by Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher trying to hide in the back.

BlueAngel
08-06-2007, 01:50 PM
Neoconshung said:

Take two breaths instead of one?
BA, Can't take the laughing, possibly (sic), but I'm to fucken tired to proof read your intentention or my spelling'
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who gave you the map of correct spontanious explosion, or did you not yet recieve that fucken memo?

Posted on: 2007/8/5 19:51

Neoconshung said:

Re: Who the fuck cares about your insight? #36

Joined: 2007/7/30
Posts: 23

Have you yet aquired?
Do you hope to?

Can you respect others with an alternative view?
Are you working for them?
Can you accomplish all things that you do as rights and not privledges?
You might need solice, find a good fuck, I COULD USE ONE,


WHAT THE FUCK LET'S FUCK EACH OTHERS BRAINS OUT?

Edited by neoconshung on 2007/8/5 20:11:02

Posted on: 2007/8/5 20:06
Joined: 2007/7/30
Posts: 23

Neoconshung said:

yOU DO KNOW HOW TO SATTISFY i HOPE....
yOU DO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT , right?