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truebeliever
03-30-2005, 09:23 PM
Taken from New World Order: The Ancient Plan Of Secret Societies by William T Still.

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If any Mason still believes that Masonry is based on good, or even Christian principals, he should read the following words of their former leader, Albert Pike, a man whose name is still highly respected by all Masons:

"That which we must say to the crowd is - We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Bretheren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degree's, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.

If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (The God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty...and hatred of man, barbarism and hatred for science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black.

That is why the intelligent disciples of Zoroaster, as well as, after them, the Gnostics, the Manicheans and the Templars have admitted, as the only logical metaphisical conception, the system of the two divine principals fighting eternally, and one cannot believe the other one inferior in power to the other. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil".
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Miller, p. 2200221; secondary quote from A.C. De La Rive, "Instructions" issued by Gen. Albert Pike on July 14 1889, to the 23 Supreme Councils of the world as recorded in La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Macon-nerie Universelle, p.588

So Ahmed, do you still find FMB's little poem to the "Grand Architect Of The Universe" so lovely?

They say GATU because they dont want to actually mention "God" in the terms you and I do.

I urge the reader to understand what Albert Pike is saying here. He worships "Reason". Anyone who believes in a supernatural God is a fool. Pike has the pride of Lucifer.

The Masons are filled to the brim with 'Rationalists' from the varying professions. And with this rational intellect they plot and plan with a goal in mind with not the slightest worry over the lives of individual humans made in the image of God.

Pike takes deep philosophical discussion on the concept of the deity and rationalises it down to Lucifer being Gods equal? That Lucifer is a simple opposite to God?

Lucifer was a beautiful fallen angel who refused to bow down to God. Lucifer is symbolic of the arrogance of man, deep in the shit of his own rational doing, deep in the shit of his own technological and scientific quagmire, who will not admit that there is a greater power than mans intellect.

God does not need to put man in his place. The human race is hanging itself quite nicely. Soon enough Man will have to admit that only the capacity to 'feel' Gods presence gives meaning and direction in life.

Below is a post i did earlier where this "Luciferian" nature ties in with the NWO and their plan to replace Christianity/Islam with "Secular Humanism" through the mechanisms of the U.N.
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DLL, their is nothing to choose. When I read and write on the NWO I am doing God's work. I am engaging in activities that come naturally to me. When i try to go off and begin a career and forget about it all I get physically and mentally unwell.

My interest in this subject has cost me. My interest in the TRUTH has cost me even more. Someone wrote that in becoming a Christian (or Muslim for that matter) you find it increasingly impossible to live a lie. I cannot live a lie. I cannot tell people what they want to hear even though I know it will make life easier.

I genuinely admire people who are deep into this subject and manage to work and live, raise children. I find myself so utterly emotionally affected by everything about this society that I cannot switch it off.

I cannot repress my emotional response to it all.

I do not go to Church and do not hang out with 'religious' people. My knowledge of the bible is purely bits and peices picked up as I go along.

Whatever ones personal view on this subject, I'm sure God, the Life Force, is extremely pleased that human beings are discussing the nature and forms of divinity.

I would add DLL that central to the NWO doctrine is the unsettling and finally the end of Religion and worship of a supernatural God. To be replaced by 'Secular Humanism', another name for 'Dialectical Materialism' as expounded by Karl Marx.

You will find the holy passages of Secular Humanism in such statements as "The U.N Statement On The Rights Of The Child". Or "Earth Day". Or "Womens Day" etc...their is no need now for Holy Messengers of God. We'll just think up great ideas inbetween lectures at University.

When Christianity is undermined it is more than just the belief in a supernatural God. Christianity runs through our legal system and our political system. All lead to the ultimate power lying in the arms of a supernatural God and NOT the State.

Once you have rid the ultimate values of the Christian or Muslim faith you can start making up your own...like, "i dont like those protesters, make up a law where we can arrest and kill them at will as enemy's of the State".

Christianity assures us we are made in the creators image and are special, important. The individual matters. I'm sure there's something similar in the Quaran.

The current OWNERS of the planet wish to rid us of this idea and tell us that the good of the many is more important than individual rights of the few.

The good of the many however, is ONLY gauranteed when the rights of the individual to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is maintained.

ALL tyrants and dictators have used the idea of the good of the many to maintain their tyrannical grip on a system of power and privelidge.

The Beast system being introduced before our eye's is designed to quell the creative spirit and direct individuals life force into activities that maintain a system designed for the ultimate benefit of an Elite of rich and powerful. This is ANTI GOD. It is Luciferian in nature. Power over people.

When you fight the NWO in ALL it's forms you are doing the work of God. You are engaging in a fight with Lucifer himself as he dwells in all our hearts.

Ahmed is right in many ways. There is no God but God. I just believe that should'nt stop you doing Gods work and that means I post here when society dictates I should be busying myself with meaningless toil so I can buy more trinkets.

Best To You.

Yeoshua
04-04-2005, 05:50 AM
The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,
"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...
How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.

How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".
So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed. Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.

The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Christians, they claim that an ancient record was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

Yeoshua
04-04-2005, 05:50 AM
The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,
"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...
How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.

How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".
So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed. Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.

The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Christians, they claim that an ancient record was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

truebeliever
04-04-2005, 06:12 AM
T.B, L-O-L and then L-O-L and then L-O-L...and then, with a sigh...L-O-L, then makes a cup of tea and eats a Tim Tam with relish, then re-reads FMB's response, then chuckels, then L-O-L, T.B's new room mate comes down and asks why he's L-O-L...sighhh, Melanie, you'l never get it.
Neither does FMB

FMB's homework for this week. Read Bill Still's "New World Order: Ancient Plan Of Secret Societies".

For FMB's next trick he will be producing blood from a stone...still, you could always post with Rush...he got over 1200 views and serious responses that the Earth was'nt moving. Sorry Rush, i actually know you're sincere.

get_real
04-04-2005, 02:36 PM
more importantly:

"What's a Tim Tam"? :lol:

truebeliever
04-04-2005, 09:40 PM
The "Tim Tam" has been part of my secret society for some time. If u do not know the secret of the Tim Tam you may not proceed past this point...or it may be a chocolate biscuit which you can dip in hot tea and then suck the chocky stuff out of the middle. Num Num!

Draken
04-05-2005, 02:06 AM
Yeoshua, I haven't read the Bible almost at all, but I still have a clear vision of what Good and Evil is and means.

I've said before: if we try to get away from both over-analyzing texts and the idea Supreme Evil is an entity outside of ourselves and independent from us, my question is this:

If the true manifestation of Evil is the worshipping of the Ego, and Christians equate Evil with Lucifer whom Freemasons see as the "true" God, does that mean Freemasons worship the Ego?

Put simply: if Evil=Ego and according to Christians Evil=Lucifer, is then Freemasons=Ego worshippers?

I have to say, before you answer, that I can't see it any other way than Freemasons worship Reason and Ego, and it doesn't depend on what religious doctrine I like best.

truebeliever
04-05-2005, 02:26 AM
Thanks Drak, i was'nt going to bother but i second the motion.

Far more evil than the emotional images of the horned devil is the simple fact that more evil has been done in this world by 'reasoned' individuals than has ever been done by mainstream evil as depicted by modern culture.

The evil bursts forth in powerful floods from the minds and mouths of perfectly 'reasonable', 'rational', 'intellectual' family men.

No feeling. No love. No doubt. Pure, cold, hard reason. Thanks for coming FMB. Have a nice day.

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 03:29 AM
Drakken Wrote:
If the true manifestation of Evil is the worshipping of the Ego, and Christians equate Evil with Lucifer whom Freemasons see as the "true" God, does that mean Freemasons worship the Ego?

Put simply: if Evil=Ego and according to Christians Evil=Lucifer, is then Freemasons=Ego worshippers?


Where did that leap of faith come from? Freemasons worship God, not A God, but God. The God of whichever faith a member has.

I want you to look at this article from another conspiracy site.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/obscene_red_fezzies.htm

The finger is being pointed soley by Christians in this article at ALL OTHER religons as being pagan, hence Freemasons who have an appreciation for ALL OTHER religons as therefore being inherrently pagan.

We've got to remember that the New Testament and to some extent the Old Testament suffered badly at the hands of the Roman censors, in order to colour all other faiths as pagan.

Te be continued, I'm sure.............

truebeliever
04-05-2005, 03:38 AM
Jesus wept! We offered him a shovel but FMB brought himself a front end loader with optional bucket digger...keep posting FMB...just reinforce the sides of your hole...i'm curious to see just how deep you can dig it...

A true INTERNATIONALIST.

A true MAN FOR ALL SEASONS.

BELEIVE IN NOTHING, FALL FOR EVERYTHING.

SEE WHAT UNIVERSITY CAN DO FOR YOU.


EVERYBODy's WELCOME!

Ahmad
04-05-2005, 03:45 AM
Peace be unto you Yeoshua,

"the system of the two divine principals fighting eternally, and one cannot believe the other one inferior in power to the other. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil"


I think it is Albert Pike who is quoted above, my question is:
-Even if we consider the word "Lucifer" a literal misunderstanding, and even if the freemasons consider it one of the names of the true god, how can you EQUATE God with the devil?

Pike says "one cannot believe the other one inferior in power to the other" well, i have to say that anybody who believes that Satan (the devil) has ANY power independent of God, then he must be duped by Satan.
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Also, the idea of "ALL religions are good" is a satanic idea, since all the messengers and prophets taught us that those who worship God alone are not equal to those who worship God+an idol, the idol-worshipers are stamped as pagans.

I see the christian fundamentalists take one extreme (projecting hatred towards all others) and the freemason taking the other of (all religions are good).

As for us the "Submitters" we believe that all who believe that Jesus/Muhammad/the pope/the saints are holy or infallible/devine are pagans, but the basic rule is "everybody is free to believe in any faith as long as he doesn't impose it on the others".

Conclusion: there is ONE truth, and one true religion, however there is no compulsion in religion.

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 04:16 AM
You just can't see it can you?????

Your lies that you are searching for, go further than your government, they have been going on since further back than Pearl Harbour or Nero forcing Spartacus to march on Rome.

The liars are pointing the finger of blame at Freemasonry as a whole.......THEY even try to tell you it is wrong to have any other faith than THEIRS!

Who are THEY?

Come on, one of THEM died recently............

get_real
04-05-2005, 05:48 AM
A PERSONAL MESSAGE TO TRUEBELIEVER:

RE: Tim Tam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so in other words, I cannot be invited in (INTO THIS SECRET SOCIETY, hmmm!), I must figure out the secret of the Tim Tam on my own--even if it takes forever!!!

This is truly a tough society to get in, like a tough nut to crack.

I will ponder the secret of the Tim Tam daily.

I know I will figure it out!!!

I know I can. I know I can. I know I can

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 05:48 AM
Ahmad - the "You just can't see it can you?" statement was not directed at you.

I don't know how many ways of saying this there are, so I'll try again:

Dio del revere dei freemasons
自由な石大工は神を尊敬する
De vrije metselaars respecteren God
Les Franc-maçons Vénèrent Dieu
Свободно бог revere masons
Freemasons revere God
프리메이슨단 의회원은 신을 존경한다

Does anyone not get that?

truebeliever
04-05-2005, 05:52 AM
Was the Christian Fundamentalist aimed at me Ahmed?

I will tell you, on the notion of religion...i could'nt care less who or what you worship.

It only matter to me who i worship.

If i was a fundamentalist would I not have cursed you for your religion? I cursed you for cuddling up to a man who worships Lucifer which you are now aware...in no small part to me.

I take offense to a man who is being deified in the press, who for ALL and more of his career, at the very least, turned a blind eye to the rape and molestation of little children. Do you feel ANY compassion for the suffering of these little ones Ahmed? Do you feel ANY compassion for the Sunni-Shi'te Muslims dying in Iraq? Do you feel any compassion for the suffering of people no matter how supposedly stupid they may be? I assure you, by ANY definition, it is you Ahmed who is the fundamentalist with your one size fits all explanation of the deity. BY ANY DEFINITION.

Only a fundamentalist-rationalists takes offense at a human being offended and upset by what he see's before his eyes. Only a man with a corporatist/fascist bent takes offense at the emotional responses of human beings. Of this fact...you and FMB are both guilty.

I take offense to a man who claims he is a member (which i dont believe) of a Satanic cult. This is not a matter to be debated by anyone with a passing knowledge of Freemasonary. The worship of Lucifer, of the rational, will end up in the killing of %80 of the worlds population. Just as Hitler stated to his einzatsgruppen in Poland and Russia..."clean the place up". So simple, so rational. Himmler lasted 5 minutes at his one and only viewing of the slaughter...his attempt at propping up the moral of German people who could not/would not go along with the program.

So i suggest it is YOU FMB who needs to wake up. You are being led down the garden path by a secret cult dedicated to the enslavement of 'inferior' bigots like me. Funny that i should respond like i do? Maybe i should invite you over for tea and tim tams? When a wolf appears at my door it gets short shrift.

Christ wept. Christ whipped them from the temple. Christ went out into the world and ACTED on the truth of what he saw before his eyes. God INCARNATED into this world to ACT. Thats what a father does for the children he loves.

You and FMB just stay home safe in your rational and ordered world.

The REAL Christians and the REAL Muslims will do the fighting for you.

BTW Ahmed...you have not answered the questions i placed for you on another thread...here it is again. Maybe you just missed them.
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Ahmed... Please address each claim in the following passages. Thanx. I value your imput. TB.

Was Christ Simply A Prophet Or God?

A missionary working among children in the Middle East was driving her jeep down a road when she ran out of gas. She had no gas can in her car. All she could find was a potty chair. She walked a mile down the road to the nearest gas station to fill up the pot with gas. As she was pouring the gas into the tank of her jeep, a large Cadillac occupied by wealthy oil sheiks pulled up. They were absoloutly fascinated by seeing her pour the contents of the pot into the Jeep. One of them opened the window and said, "My friend and I, although we do not share your religion, we greatly admire your faith!"

I am told that in a Communist Russian dictionary Jesus is described as a "mythical figure who never existed." No serious historian could maintain that position today. There is a great deal of evidence for Jesus existence. This comes not only from the Gospels and other Christian writings, but also from non-Christian sources. For example, the Roman historian Tacitus (directly) and Suetonius (indirectly) both write about Him. The Jewish historian Josephus, born in 37A.D also writes of him.

The more texts we have, the less doubt there is about the original.

WORK WHEN WRITTEN EARLIEST COPIES TIME SPAN (YRS) No OF COPIES

Herodotus 488-428BC 900A.D 1,300 8

Thucycidides 460-400BC 900A.D 1,300 8

Tacitus 100A.D 1100A.D 1000 20

Caesars Gallic War 58-50B.C 900A.D 950 9-10

Livy's Roman History 59B.C-17A.D 900A.D 900 20

New Testament 40-100A.D 130A.D 300 5000+Greek
(Full manuscripts 350A.D) 10,000 Latin
9,300 Others

Some people say, "Jesus never claimed to be God." Indeed, it is true that Jesus did not go around saying the words, "I am God." Yet when one looks at all He taught and claimed, there is little doubt that He was conscious of being a man who's identity was God.

Authority to forgive sins: On one occasion He said to a man who was paralyzed, "Son, your sins are forgiven" (Mark 2:5) Only God can forgive sins.

Judge of the world: Christ claimed that one day he would judge the world (Matthew 25:31-32). He said He would return and sit on his thrown in heavenly glory. All the nations would be gathered before Him. He would pass judgment on them. If your Pastor claimed this you'd laugh. Clearly he is no mere man.

When the question was put to him..."are you the Christ, the son of the blessed one?" Jesus said, "I am...and you will see the Son Of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

The Jews started to stone Jesus...when he asked them why they replied..."because you, a mere man, claim to be God" (John 10:33)

When Thomas, one of His disciples, knelt down before Jesus and said, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28), Jesus didn't turn to him and say, "No, no, dont say that; I am not God." He said, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29). He rebuked Thomas for being so slow to get the point.

So how can we test peoples claims? Jesus claimed to be the unique Son Of God; made flesh. There are 3 logical possibilities. If the claims were untrue, either He knew they were untrue, in which case he was an imposter, and an evil one at that. That is the first possibility. Or He did not know, in which case He was deluded; indeed, He was mad. That is the second possibility. The third possibility is that the claims were true.

C.S Lewis put it like this:

""A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic, on a level with a man who says he is a poached egg, or else He Would be the Devil of Hell. You must make you're choice. Either this man was,and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse...but let us not come up with any patronizing nonesense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to"".

Wilbur Smith, the great American writer on theological topics, said:

""The ancient world had many different devices for determining the future, known as divination, but not in the entire gamut of Greek and Latin literature, even though they used the words prophet and prophecy, can we find any real specific prophecy of a great historic event to come in the distant future, nor any prophecy of a saviour to arrive in the human race...Mohammedanism cannot point to any prophecies of the coming of Mohammed uttered hundreds of years before his birth. Neither can the founders of any cult in this country rightly identify any ancient text specifically fortelling their appearence"".

Yet in the case of Jesus he fulfilled over 300 prophecies (spoken by different voices over 500 years), including 29 major prophecies fulfilled in a single day-the day He died. His death was told in the Old Testament (Isaiah 53), and also the place of His burial and even the place of his birth (Micah 5:2).

His appearences to the disciples. Were these hallucinations? Burly fisherman, tax collecters and skeptics like Thomas are unlikely to hallucinate. Jesus appeared to His disciples on 11 different occassions over a period of 6 weeks. Furthermore, over 500 people saw the risen Jesus. Jesus could be touched, He ate a peice of broiled fish (Luke 24:42, 43) and on one occasion He cooked breakfast for the disciples (John 21:1-14). Peter says, "[They] ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead" (Acts 10:41). He held long conversations with them, teaching them many things about the Kingdom Of God (Acts 1:3).

C.S Lewis sums it up like this:

""We are faced then with a frightening alternative. The man we are talking about was (and is) just what he said he was or else a lunatic or something worse. Now it seems to me obvious that he was neither a lunatic nor a fiend; and consequently, however strange and terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that he was and is God. God has landed on this ebnemy occupied world in human form.""

Questions Of Life. Nicky Gumble.

JUST A NOTE. I HAVE OMMITTED ALOT FOR BREVITY. T.B

Draken
04-05-2005, 05:56 AM
I don't care what a person SAYS, I decide what I think about that person judging by his ACTIONS.

Freemasons say one thing, but DO the opposite. That's a historical fact.

Tell me, Yeoshua, have you ever questioned the doctrine of Freemasonry?

I know a few Freemasons and the one who's not secretive about his membership I know for a fact hasn't questioned the doctrine of the Freemasons. He takes it for granted what they tell him is the Truth. He believes his Masters.

truebeliever
04-05-2005, 06:02 AM
A Personal Message To Get Real From TB.

(T.B 4:4) "My tim tam is not of this world".

(T.B 12:12) "The path to a plain cracker biscuit is wide and short. The path to chocolate heaven narrow and long".

That is all i have to say on the matter.

Further to that...your probing is getting dangerous...a Mossad hit squad has been dispatched.

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 07:36 AM
Draken wrote:
I don't care what a person SAYS, I decide what I think about that person judging by his ACTIONS.

Freemasons say one thing, but DO the opposite. That's a historical fact.

Tell me, Yeoshua, have you ever questioned the doctrine of Freemasonry?

I know a few Freemasons and the one who's not secretive about his membership I know for a fact hasn't questioned the doctrine of the Freemasons. He takes it for granted what they tell him is the Truth. He believes his Masters.

The is no doctrine of Freemasonry, we are not told what to believe or how to act. We are told to respect and worship whatever we percieve as God, no more, no less.

Draken
04-05-2005, 07:39 AM
So you don't agree with Albert Pike then?

And what about the rest of my post?

Can you honestly claim Freemasons have NOT founded, funded, organized organizations well known to have conspired to subvert, infiltrate and finally eliminate all forms of Traditional civilization, bringing in the process death, destruction, suffering, oppression and spiritual bondage to the whole world?

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 09:07 AM
No I don't agree with Albert Pike. Without being xenophobic or racist here, Americans tend to take an idea and make it louder and brasher boy - yee hah!

I can quite honestly say that Freemasonry is NOT founded and funded in order to subvert infiltrate and eliminate traditional civilisation. It is precisely the opposite.

The Freemason's obligation above all else is to his family, preserving traditional family values (or at least trying to with today's lesbian feminism and the global immasculation of the traditional male figure).

I am never speaking however for all Freemasons, some might me nasty pieces of work, but don't blame the organisation is all I ask.

Dr Harold Shipman killed hundreds of patients, does this mean all doctors are evil? It most certainly does not.

55132
04-05-2005, 09:23 AM
Yeoshua wrote:

Draken wrote:
I don't care what a person SAYS, I decide what I think about that person judging by his ACTIONS.

Freemasons say one thing, but DO the opposite. That's a historical fact.

Tell me, Yeoshua, have you ever questioned the doctrine of Freemasonry?

I know a few Freemasons and the one who's not secretive about his membership I know for a fact hasn't questioned the doctrine of the Freemasons. He takes it for granted what they tell him is the Truth. He believes his Masters.

The is no doctrine of Freemasonry, we are not told what to believe or how to act. We are told to respect and worship whatever we percieve as God, no more, no less.

FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGION

by Mac Dominick

As the sun fractured the eastern horizon of the plains of Babel, the sky ignited into a myriad of color. The Great Hunter stood in awe watching the shimmering rays of light as they danced across the colossal structure. The instructions had been explicit, the plans had been executed perfectly to the most minute detail, and now the magnificent tower that would serve as catalyst to the culture and technology of the distant past was nearing completion. This was not simply a work of stone and mortar. It was far more significant that just its physical appearance. This was something esoterically spiritual and deeply religious. The religion it represented, the "Ancient Mysteries", contained beliefs and doctrines of an earlier age; an age when men and evil angelic beings exercised every passion of their imagination. Nimrod basked in the warmth of the sun and the pure euphoria of personal achievement, but this very day God Himself would thwart his ambitious plans of a world empire.

The construction would stop. The dreams of Nimrod would be shattered, but even with his subsequent death and dismemberment, the Ancient Mysteries would live on. With the help of the widow and her son (Semiramis and Tammuz), the Ancient Wisdom would be carefully preserved in the Babylonian Mystery Religion. (1) As the followers of Nimrod scattered across the face of the earth, the Ancient Mysteries accompanied them from Egypt to China. With the passing of time, the Ancient Wisdom was guarded by the "elite wise persons" of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Pergamos, and Rome. It found a home in Eastern Religions, the Jewish Kabalah, and in Western Gnosticism. (2)

After the turn of the Third Century AD, the power of the Church of Rome began to rise. However, this directly developed into a schism among the keepers of the Mysteries. When Constantine endorsed Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church embraced many of the doctrines of the Babylonian Mystery Religions. "This resulted in something far different from that which Jesus and His disciples taught. The teachings of the Roman Church became a sophisticated pagan philosophy tinged with the teachings of a transcendent, all-powerful God." (3) The Church adopted the worship of the mother and child, infant baptism, confession to a priest, and many other aspects of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. The Church did not, however, embrace the occult aspects of the Mystery Religions. These remained with the Mystery Schools of the East, Kabalists, and Gnostics until the time of the crusades. The occult aspects of the Ancient Wisdom surfaced publicly in France with the rise of the Merovingian Dynasty and the legends of "Parcival and the Quest for the Holy Grail". The schism exploded into a major conflict when the Knights Templar (The Order of the Temple) returned from the crusades as the wealthiest men on earth.

The Knights Templar and the Prieure’ de Sion (The Order of Zion) became the cultural elite that fully embraced the occult aspects of the Ancient Mysteries. This put them on a collision course with the Church of Rome and her allies. The Prieure’ de Sion went underground and became an elite "secret society", while the Knights Templar were viciously attacked by King Philippe IV and Pope Clement V. On October 13th, 1307, Philippe ordered the arrest of all Knights Templar. However, the prior evening, an unknown number of Knights Templar sailed from France with eighteen galleys loaded with the legendary Templar Treasure. (4) At least a portion of the Templars sailed to Scotland, and organizing with the Scots Guard, Rosicrucians, Invisible College, and Royal Society (all occult groups) formed the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. (5) The Freemasons appropriated the Templars as antecedents, as well as authorizing custody of their arcane secrets. (6) As a result, the Scottish Rite is "magically oriented, emphasizing a sacred social and political hierarchy, a divine order, and an underlying cosmic plan." (7) This is the very essence of the Ancient Mysteries of Nimrod.

Meanwhile, the power of the Church of Rome continued to increase. The Church and Freemasonry were sworn enemies, and the public occult influence of Freemasonry began to wane. About 1750, however, there arose a new generation of mystical knights. They were the arm of Freemasonry, which called themselves Jacobins. (8) The Jacobin cries of "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity" led the first major accomplishment of illuminized Freemasonry, The French Revolution. The Jacobins named a rebellious ex-Jesuit, Adam Weishaupht, "Grand Patriot". (9) Weishaupht embraced the occult mysteries and organized The Order of the Illuminati in 1776. By 1778 he infiltrated Masonry as a fully-initiated Master Mason. He then inducted the influential European elite of Masonry into the Illuminati—600 men by 1783. (10) On the other side of the Atlantic, mystical Masons were under siege by the occult Illuminists. The Illuminists saw America as the 13th step in evolution, and America’s spiritual destiny as accomplishing world union in the spirit of liberty, equality, and fraternity. (11) By 1789 the mystical Masonry of the New World succumbed to the occult one-world vision of the Weishaupht Illuminati, the guardians of the Ancient Mysteries of Nimrod.

The Industrial Revolution changed everything. Men did not act or think the same, and materialism became the order of the day. Due to this influence, Secular Humanism reared its head in the early 20th Century. Those who held to the occultism and gnosticism of the past were branded as fanatics or lunatics. Occultism once again went back into the closet. However, many of the closets belonged to the very rich and very powerful. Illuminism was alive and well, albeit hidden from the critical eyes of the general public. Freemasonry thus became a benevolent, fraternal organization out of necessity. As a result, the rank and file of the lower degrees of Masonry to this day have no clue as to the purpose of the society or the intentions of the controlling elite.

The unrest of the 1960s and the rise of the "Drug Culture" molded the beginnings of another public re-emergence of occultism. The New Age Movement of the 70s and 80s successfully mainstreamed many occult beliefs. This new renaissance of the occult has perfectly positioned Freemasonry to play a vital role in the 4400-year-old dream of Nimrod, a one-world, occult kingdom. Freemasonry currently serves as the conduit between the political organizations of the global elite (Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, CFR, etc.) and the occult groups of the Theosophical network (Theosophical Society, Rosicrucians, Lucis Trust, World Goodwill, etc.). These groups recognize the position of Freemasonry as an occult religious organization with the ability to bridge the gap between religion and politics. (12) Many of the rank and file of Freemasonry continue to insist that Freemasonry is not a religion. However, their own writings contradict these assertions. Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite (1860), recorded:

"Every lodge is a temple of religion, and its teaching
instruction in religion." (13)
To what religion was Pike making reference? His own words offer all the clarification needed:

"Masonry is the successor to the Mysteries." (14)

Many modern Masons have tried to distance themselves from Pike and his gnostic (highly occultic) work, MORALS AND DOGMA. They insist that his teachings are not that of Masonry, but merely his personal beliefs. They further insist that modern, benevolent Masonry should not be judged by writings over 100 years old. This line of reasoning is very confusing to those who recognize the Legend of Hiram Abiff is supposedly almost 3000 years old. Are not the claims of Masonry said to have originated at the time of Solomon? Are all claims and teachings prior to the 20th Century now null and void? Does this also negate the 32 degrees of the Scottish Rite designed by Pike? Furthermore, as recently as 1989, Scottish Rite Grand Commander, C. Fred Kleinknecht wrote:

"…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15)

Pike is not the only spokesman for the truth of Freemasonry. Alice Bailey, the one-time leading spokesperson for the Theosophical Society and a member of Co-Masonry with her husband, Foster, declared:

"The Masonic Movement is the custodian of the law,
the holder of the Mysteries, and the seat of initiation
… a far more occult organization than can be
realized … intended to be the training school for coming
advanced occultists." (16)

Alice Bailey summarized the entire history of Freemasonry. She makes no secret of the fact that illuminized Freemasonry is the present day guardian of the Ancient Wisdom of Nimrod. Though none should now even think of arguing this point, the description of the 32nd Degree of the Scottish Rite reads as follows:

"SUBLIME PRINCE OF THE ROYAL SECRET"
"The occult science of the Ancient Magi was concealed under the
shadows of the Ancient Mysteries: it was imperfectly revealed or
rather disfigured by the Gnostics; it is guessed at under the obscurities
that cover the pretended crimes of the Templars; and it is found enveloped
in enigmas that seem impenetrable, in the Rites of Highest Masonry." (17)

Here the guardianship of the Ancient Mysteries has been traced from the Magi of Medo-Persia, to Western Gnosticism, to the Knights Templar, and finally to the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

The "Ancient Mysteries" are still very mysterious. Much of what they contain will not be revealed until the appointed time. However, there is some level of understanding available not only to the initiates, but also to those who seek diligently for the truth. Gregson records that there is great gain for those initiates:

"To Babylon were brought all of the priests and teachers
of Egypt, Palestine, Zoroaster, Mithra, Greece, and masters
from all parts of the world. Kings sought to be initiated into
the rites of the Mysteries." (18)

The Merovingian Kings were priest-kings. These held not only political power but also religious power. (19) Many of the religious aspects of the Mysteries can be seen not only in the rituals of Freemasonry, but also in the extra-Biblical teachings of the Church of Rome. This was the primary point of contention between Catholicism and Masonry. Both are struggling for world domination. The Church has the advantage in the religious arena with established teachings. Today’s society is still not ready for the blatant occultism of the Illuminist. Freemasonry has the political advantage. Most world leaders are members of at least one Illuminati group. There is some conjecture that the Church and Freemasonry are getting closer. The background of Pope John Paul II implies that even he may be an Illuminati plant. In his younger years, he was an ardent student of Theosophy, and his embrace of the Marian apparitions certainly tends to lean from the mystical to the occult. (20)

The political aspects of the Ancient Mysteries can be clearly seen in an early 20th Century document, THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION. Though many claimed a Jewish conspiracy as to the origin of this document, it was most likely composed by the Prieure’ de Sion. The basic points are as follows:

1. Blueprint for world domination
2. Advent of a Masonic Kingdom
3. A king of the blood of Sion,…of the Dynastic roots of David
4. The King of the Jews will be the real Pope.
5. The world ruler will be the patriarch of an international church.
6. Only the king and 3 who stand to sponsor him will know what’s going on. (21)

For the reader who is acquainted with Bible Prophecy, there is a sudden revelation. If THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION are the product of an Illuminist secret society, all of history from Nimrod has suddenly been tied together. Here is the summary:

1. Nimrod sought to restore the pre-flood system by a world government, led by a priest-king, empowered directly by Lucifer.

2. When God spoiled Nimrod’s plan, Lucifer’s strategy was to set up a system of false religions which would hold in store these powerful Ancient Mysteries until the time that he (Lucifer) could succeed in establishing such a kingdom.

3. These Mysteries have been guarded since that time by a select elite group. There have been periods of history that have publicly accepted the darker (occult) side of the mysteries and periods when the occult has been suppressed.

4. The Bible records that a future world kingdom will arise led by the Beast (Antichrist), who will declare himself God. This world kingdom will be accompanied by a one-world church until such time it is no more useful to the Beast. The Beast will also declare himself to be the Messiah of the Jews and rightful heir to the throne of David.

5. It is very possible the 3 who stand to sponsor the king will be the 3"kingdoms" subdued by the Beast as prophesied in Dan. 7:24.

6. The Beast will reveal the secrets of the Ancient Mysteries, which have been so faithfully guarded by his servants for millennia as proof of his position to fully establish his kingdom.

The Ancient Mystery Religions did not worship the God of the Bible. Nimrod was the servant of Lucifer, and the resulting religious system was Luciferic. In spite of all objections to the contrary, the overwhelming proof reveals that Freemasonry does not honor the God of Scripture, but some other god. As a matter of fact, the teachings of Freemasonry are 180 degrees away from the Bible. (22) There are some obvious examples:

1. The Masonic Temple always has the entrance in the west and the altar in the east. In the Bible we are told the entrance of the Garden of Eden was in the east. While this may seem to be coincidental, the entrance to the Tabernacle was in the east with the Holy of Holies in the west. Solomon’s Temple (and subsequent Jewish Temples) had their entrances in the east and the Holy of Holies in the west. To enter the Garden of Eden and go to the Tree of Life, one was traveling from east to west. To enter the Tabernacle or the Temple to approach God, the priest traveled from east to west. Freemasonry is 180 degrees reversed. (23) As a matter of fact, one of the signs of Masonry is the statement; "I have been traveling in the east." (24) This seems much more significant when one considers the supposed origins of Masonry with Solomon. If God gave Solomon explicit instructions for the construction of the Temple, why would he design the Masonic Temple in reverse? This reverse image is very prevalent in the occult. The occult teachings seem to always be the negative image of the positive of God’s Word .

2. There are also certain oaths in Masonry that are very suspect. For example, as a Mason you must swear to conceal the crimes of other Masons. This equates to telling a lie and calling it moral. (25) The Bible records in Revelation 21, "…all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone forever." How can one ascribe to the Holy Scriptures and rationalize behavior opposite to its teaching?

3. Freemasonry teaches the doctrine of Universality. Simply put, this is the brotherhood of all men under the fatherhood of God. THIS IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. FURTHERMORE, THIS DOCTRINE IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE. The Bible records that when Adam turned from God and fell into sin, his sinful nature was passed to all of his descendents. A birth, of sorts took place at this point. Due to the fact that God cannot and will not tolerate sin, the lineage of all of mankind was then adopted by the originator of sin, Lucifer. As a result, all men are "born in sin" under the fatherhood of Lucifer. Jesus made this clear in John 8:44 when he told the Pharisees, "Ye are of your father, the Devil….". The only way a man can now become a child of God is to turn from himself, confess his sin and lost condition to God, repent of that sin, and trust by faith the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ for reconciliation to God. ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR ARE THE SONS OF GOD!! Manly Hall revealed the opposite position of Freemasonry when he wrote:

"To the altar of Freemasonry all men bring their most

votive offerings. Around it all men, whether they have

received their teachings from Confucius, Zoroaster,

Moses, Mohammed, or the founder of the Christian

Religion (note he does not name the name of Jesus –ed.),

just as long as they believe in the universality of the

of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man

…. meet upon a common level." (26)

Another Freemason, Albert Mackey, records:

"Now as Masons we divide not between these

(Ashteroth, Vishnu, Dagon, Baal) but take all

in as our Brethren, and the One God as our

Heavenly Father, revealed to us as such in

The Light of Masonry." (27)

Mackey here not only reiterates the heresy of Universality, but also raises a more serious question: What "god" is this that allows acceptance of the followers of Baal and these other pagan deities as brethren? This is certainly not the God of the Bible. (Incidentally, the god Baal was a Canaanite corruption of the Babylonian god Bacchus, who was directly derived from Tammuz, the son of the widow of Nimrod.) (28) God, in the Old Testament commanded Israel to completely annihilate the followers of Baal. The prophet Elijah must have been tragically mistaken when he ordered the massacre of 450 prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel. After all, according to Albert Mackey, these were Elijah’s brethren. (29)

What conclusion then can be drawn from the 180-degree reversal of Scripture? THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS NOT THE GOD OF FREEMASONRY! The god of Freemasonry must then be the god of the Ancient Mysteries. In all aspects of the occult, from The Mysteries of Babylon, to the Quest for the Holy Grail, to Hinduism, to Wicca, to the New Age Movement, and yes, in the writings of Freemasonry: God is described as an impersonal force which manifests itself in all of nature, in the spirit world, and in man himself. This is none other than the strategy of Lucifer from the time of the Garden of Eden. There in the Garden Lucifer told Eve, "ye shall be as gods…" (Genesis 3:5).

The day will come when all of the Ancient Mysteries will be revealed to all those dwelling on the earth. In the Legend of Hiram Abiff, that day will be marked by his resurrection to rule the world. According to the Bible, Hiram Abiff will most certainly rule. He will come as Hiram Abiff to the Mason, Messiah ben David to the Jew, Crishna to the Hindu, Imam Mahdi to the Moslem, Sosiosch to the Zoroastrian; but in the Word of God, he is called the Beast (Antichrist). He will bring peace and safety to a tumultuous world for 3½ years. He will be worshipped as the priest-king by all of mankind. He will reveal the Ancient Mysteries as his credentials. However, his reign of peace shall be short. He will be exposed to many at a time of Great Tribulation. He will then come face to face with the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The true heir to the throne of David will then cast the Beast alive in the Lake of Fire where he will be tormented day and night forever. The long awaited Masonic Kingdom will fall, and Jesus Christ will reign over all the earth. "…and… of His government and peace there shall be no end." (30)

Freemasonry is (as you have now been told) an occult religion, guarding the Ancient Mysteries of the coming Luciferic World Kingdom.

Ahmad
04-05-2005, 09:25 AM
Peace Yeoshua,

and thanks for the clarification, i am just trying to understand. But i would also like a reply to the "all religions are good/true" remark, please.

Peace truebeliever,

No, i wasn't pointing at you with the "Christian fundamentalist" remark, actually i consider you the exact opposite!

I have decided to ignore your posts because of the derogatory remarks regarding my religion and its signs/proofs, i respect only sincere debate.

Just a reminder, because of your kind of attitude (stereotyping&generalizing) Satan duped many people into killing millions of their bretheren.

Draken
04-05-2005, 09:35 AM
The problem is like true and I and I suppose quite a few of us has said before:

people who think they are doing good and helping when in fact they are doing the opposite, WITH OR WITHOUT realizing it.

A doctor can commit an evil deed without realizing it, and most definately a doctor can commit an evil deed without having to become a mass murderer.

Actually, most doctors ARE doing evil but without their knowlegde. THAT'S the problem. They are giving out poison like there's no tomorrow claiming to want to help - because they learned in med school the only way to treat illness is by giving people drugs - when in fact the only people they actually ARE helping are the owners of multinational drug companies.

Solzhenitsyn said: to do Evil Man has to first convince Himself He's doing Good.

I suggest you take a long, hard look at the organization you claim to be a member of, before you assume Freemasonry is a benevolent organization.

Have you done your homework?

I have.

BTW, if you don't agree with Albert Pike, then what are you doing being a Freemason?!?! He basically singlehandedly wrote the Freemasonic doctrine you claim doesn't exist! It's all there for everyone to see, read, understand.

You're being HOODWINKED, my friend.

Get out while you still have a bit of your heart left.

Yeoshua
04-05-2005, 09:52 AM
He didn't write the Masonic doctrine, he interpreted it how ever he wanted to, then banged his own drum.

Freemasonry was around longe before Albert Bloody Pike.

Freemasonry in America can be a joke. They turn up to lodge meetings with fu*king calipso shirts and Bermuda shorts for God's sake, they follow this Pike fellow. America is the only country on earth that could 'cash in' on beautiful ceremony or tradition.

"And the lord said to me, Billy, tell the people to dig deep into their souls and pockets and just call 555-GivetoJesus, we accept all major credit cards and may God bless you all - Amen".

Mormons and Jehova's witness still pertain to be Christians, they just interpret it differently and bang their own drums.

I'm not being bloody hoodwinked either, there is a lot of wool being pulled over a lot of eyes, and they ain't mine.

Draken
04-05-2005, 03:01 PM
Well, that's seems to be the end of that discussion. You are totally sure you're right. Fine. I hope you do question your conviction at some stage of your life.
We all have our paths to follow.

this
04-05-2005, 04:51 PM
If I can be of assistance... at one point I thought of starting a thread on people's anger in light of NWO operations and how that affected them.

The poster Ozzie Cynic in debates with TB had problems dealing with the anger. Being in a forum is how some people vent their frustrations, as OC admitted, however it's not always good for anyone else who is reading. With TB, he is provocative, and uses a lot of heavy humour, you have to keep that in mind.

So TB, Ahmed, we all have our frustrations, and have taken offence at various times. Not really worth it though, time to make up.

Yeo your viewpoint is interesting. Institute made a comment that the important point is to always pay attention to what is being kept hidden in reference to the Khazar dynasties. Your thesis that masonry is a force for good should be able to stand up. Let people see if they can make their case.

Mawashi
04-05-2005, 07:25 PM
Sorry TB, but I just couldn't leave this comment alone. I know you were talking about Tim Tams (A$5.00 a packet here in Osaka), but it just sounds too smutty...

(T.B 12:12) "The path to a plain cracker biscuit is wide and short. The path to chocolate heaven narrow and long". :-D

get_real
04-06-2005, 05:51 AM
Mawashi wrote:
Sorry TB, but I just couldn't leave this comment alone. I know you were talking about Tim Tams (A$5.00 a packet here in Osaka), but it just sounds too smutty...

(T.B 12:12) "The path to a plain cracker biscuit is wide and short. The path to chocolate heaven narrow and long". :-D


YES!!

And might I add that bad, bad TB tried to sway me away from TIM TAMs when I questioned what they were and who may indulge of this TIM TAM.
Alas, EVERYONE is entitled to taste the scrumptious chocolatey dipped cookie!!! Even I!!!

It is NOT an illuminati cookie after all!!, It is not within a secret world!! You can find it on the internet, such as I have!! I will order myself 4 boxes of TIM TAMs and say: "TO HELL WITH ALL WHO HOLD BACK THE TRUTH ABOUT TIM TAMS!!"

PPSS folks: Just a little silly humor, to break the mood lately.

MasonTemplar
04-07-2005, 03:52 PM
There's a problem with just having to believe in a god. In order for for everyone to be right in their worship, there would have to be many gods. I could believe in the divine nature of the almighty creator of tim tams - if I so wished.
This is where the logic and natural progression of reason for the freemason falls short. There cannot be many gods. To think that believeing in a god means we all believe in the same god but different attributes would also be in error. God is infinite in power, but chooses to be finite in tolerance and conduct. So, there's no way we can truly espouse "anything goes" in the god category. Because that would mean God is evil and good. God is not evil. Could God be evil? Yes, but chooses not to be and therefore, isn't.
As for attaining the higher degrees towards enlightenment, or the god in man, that is also in error. We aren't divine. Only God is divine. The attempt to achieve enlightenment is ego driven and places the initiate on a course to become parallel to God. Well, we can all see where that leads us.
As for the oath, it places a brother above anything else. If that is to be true, what if the brother is engaging in truly evil acts? To shelter him would be to deny God - placing the oath to his brother before that of his creator. I think we can see where this leads to, as well.
As for Elaine Pagels, can you expect her to say anything else than that? Check out a book called Spirit Wars - Pagan Revival in Christian America by Peter Jones. He has some choice words for and about Ms. Pagels.

truebeliever
04-07-2005, 08:24 PM
Ahmed,

You have been insulting Christianity since you got here. Have I been so precious? Have I said "i will not respond to you"?

You have interesting things to say. I am mature enough to understand you are sincere. Your view of the universe works for you. I would be happy to have you as my neighbour.

However, to be so brittle, so precious, so FUNDAMENTALIST...before you remove the splinter in my eye, remove the beam from your own...wise words from the New Testament.

If you can only converse with those who agree with you...well, that speaks for itself.
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FMB belongs to a Satanic cult.

There is NOTHING to agree on.

He places an oath between his fraternity before God and the rest of the community.

It speaks for itself.

If people cant grasp this...well?
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To here Ahmed cuddling up to him surprises me greatly. Well, water always finds it's own level.
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One more thing. FMB is not a member of Masonry. NO member would come to this forum, EVER. Unless the pommy version are so completely different.

If i were to hazard a guess, i'd say he was in fact, possibly, as Rivero alledges, a paid P.R man with a script.

truebeliever
04-07-2005, 09:44 PM
Well said Mason Templar.

I've been re-reading all the posts. it's been a couple of days since except for the above. We'd all like to write well and without emotion...however, being an emotional human being it's not always on the cards.

I have NO leeway with Masons. I can speak with authority on the Oz version...they are evil, no different to me than the Italian, Jewish or whoever you want Mafia. In fact, I consider them the WASP Mafia.

This I take from direct first hand experience. From friends 1st and second hand accounts through their family and friends.

They have an ideal and they need the money and the contacts to pay for it. They'll do whatever it takes.

I'm sure the Masons have many fine fellows in it. There were many fine fellows in the Nazi party too.

Many too in the Catholic Church and dare I say i even once knew a fine Romanian Heroin dealer...he was still a dealer in death.

When the Police investigate someone they immediately look for associates. You are absoloutly known by the company you keep.

The NWO is moving down to Oz. I have also heard that many Jewish Elite are on the way, that they consider Oz the 'New Jeruselum'. I dont want any NWO wanktanks in my backyard. I consider them, without exageration, in the same vein as drug dealers and paedophiles moving in next door.

If i am expected to be calm about it all...well, you expect to much.

Draken
04-08-2005, 01:28 AM
Freemasons: The Mafia of the Mediocre.

MasonTemplar
04-08-2005, 07:46 AM
Freemasnory is a self-professed ecumenical movement. This movement at its core is New Age in nature. It's an attempt to create a one world religion that espouses all beliefs. This is precisely why there have been masons who have infiltrated the Vatican, for example. There are other institutions that have been affected as well. There just happens to be more documentation with regards to Catholicism.
I work at a private methodist university. It was started by a methodist bishop named Leonidas Hamline. However, if he were to come to this campus today, he wouldn't recognize it as a Christian entity. It has been totally and completely hijacked by the New Age.
Now, I ask you... Why would someone who doesn't feel compelled by the Christian faith want to study at, oversee, or be employed by that type of institution of higher learning? Could they not just as easily attend a secular university? You can find any program you want in another school. Furthermore, why does this New Age movement of trustees, faculty, staff, and students feel motivated to come to a Christian university and change it's goals? It's deliberate infiltration of that university. I see this more in the orchestrators and trustees of the university than the students - because that's where the power lies. There is no other explanation for it. Whether all of the participants are wittingly accomplishing this is unnecessary to prove. It doesn't take all of them to do it.
For example, this school now teaches "earth religion" and even has an "earth religion" floor in one of its dormitories. There are university sponsored clubs for all sexual orientations and floors for those students in the dorms. Those are two examples that can be easily argued against by the Christian faith. Why make those fundamental changes, when they so explicitly fly in the face of Christian doctrine? It's because people of those persuasions have attained leadership positions in the institution. Why would they seek to do this at this school when they could go to another institution that would have no problem with their beliefs? It's to create change. To go into a position at an institution that is diametrically opposed to your belief in the hopes of changing its doctrine is infiltration. Pure and simple.
We cannot deny that this is happening. Masons have done it, communists have done it, particular social movements have done it, etc. It directly attacks the Christian faith. Tolerance for Christians is becoming non-existant. While Christians are being forced to be tolerant of instances that oppose their beliefs - the people intitiating this policy don't afford the same courtesy for Christians. It's very hypocritical in nature.
Peace - MT

Draken
04-08-2005, 09:36 AM
To go into a position at an institution that is diametrically opposed to your belief in the hopes of changing its doctrine is infiltration. Pure and simple.
We cannot deny that this is happening. Masons have done it, communists have done it, particular social movements have done it, etc. It directly attacks the Christian faith. Tolerance for Christians is becoming non-existant. While Christians are being forced to be tolerant of instances that oppose their beliefs - the people intitiating this policy don't afford the same courtesy for Christians. It's very hypocritical in nature.

Spot on, MasonTemplar!

nohope187
04-08-2005, 08:01 PM
Hey MT, you mention that masons infiltrated the vatican. The vatican infiltrated the masons too. I think they actually work together now and have been for awhile, but of course they'll deny it to your face if you ask any of em. :-P

MasonTemplar
04-11-2005, 11:30 AM
You are probably right, nohope. However, I think that it's safer to say that masons having been doing most of the infiltrating and affecting the most change.
I'm not trying to promulgate a particular religion, but I ask you what recent change in masonry you've noticed that points toward Vatican infiltration? On the converse, liberalized doctrine has been running rampant during the last 40+ years in the Vatican. I guess one way to look at it is who's doing the better job?
Another way to look at it is in numbers of people of the parties involved. The Catholic church has just over 1 billion followers and just recently slipped to second place in membership to Islam. Now, compared to those two religions, masonry has nowhere near the membership - it's not even in the same universe. But, who's had the most influence of the infrastructure of the major media, corporations, government, and universities over the last 200 years? It's true that Catholicism has seen significant growth in third world countries to be sure. However, masonry has been far more pervasive in its exploits. There are a couple of reasons why they are better able to achieve their ends. One is that freemasonry is secretive. If someone were to infiltrate the lodge, it would only be noticed on the inside and it would be obvious to its initiates. The infiltrator is really reduced to spy and tell activity. On the flip side, it would be harder to detect a mason in the church, mostly because of the church's structure.
The Catholic Church and masonry have held animosity towards each other for several hundred years. Having been declared a heresy, the masons have used this disdain as a means against the church. Catholicism, having declared the heresy, was the authority of much of the world. Its authority now rests mostly in the influence it has over the consciences of its followers. To infiltrate and change that influence would culminate the total package of masonic influence. It's got everything else except the control of faith based influence. And one could read the documented instances of doctrinal change within the church.
As for what lodges are doing it, it's not the local yocal lodges that 90% of the masons enjoy. It’s being done by lodges that aren’t known publicly. Most masons will say that this isn’t so, that there are no such lodges. But, that’s because they don’t even know about them.
I have a friend who was recently appointed President of a publicly traded company based out of New York at the age of 27 – not bad considering he started working for the company in a third shift position a little less than 5 years ago and that he flunked out of college after his freshman year. He is my best friend and we went to the same college. I initiated him into our college society.
His mother is the Dean of Nursing of a major university and his father is an economics professor at the same school we attended.
It turns out that the CEO of the company he was working for is a cousin of his mother. They had been monitoring his progress and promoting him when the situation would merit it. It was during his meteoric rise that he was approached about going to dinner at an exclusive private club with a group of men.
All members of the dinner party were of serious influence. Some were board members of his company. Others were on boards of other companies. All were millionaires (not just a couple of million – closer to the $200 million mark) and two of them were billionaires. One is a board member of a major airline, a board member of an entertainment/media giant, and is on the board of trustees of the university of which I’m employed. Another is a board member of two Fortune 100 companies and is the founder of a Fortune 250 company. That company produces the most effective and used pacemaker in its industry – it brought in a little over $9 billion in sales last year. He’s also married to a woman whose family was ranked in the Forbes 400 with about $14.8 billion. Another is the founder of his own company and is on the public speaking circuit – he’s authored 3 books that became New York Times bestsellers. The others all maintain powerful local influence. All were wearing masonic rings.
The dinner started out very much like an interview and eventually became a Q&A about their lodge. It was during this time that he was told that their lodge was secretive in nature. I’m guessing they felt comfortable telling him this because of his family connection with the group and because his parents were friends with many of them. There were eight men all together.
So, I guess I’ve seen some instances of infiltration personally, but mainly it’s being able to recognize it through current events. I guess overall, there are change agents in every organization. Masonry just happens to be the most influential of late.
Peace - MT

redrat11
12-25-2006, 09:30 PM
FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGION

by Mac Dominick

As the sun fractured the eastern horizon of the plains of Babel, the sky ignited into a myriad of color. The Great Hunter stood in awe watching the shimmering rays of light as they danced across the colossal structure. The instructions had been explicit, the plans had been executed perfectly to the most minute detail, and now the magnificent tower that would serve as catalyst to the culture and technology of the distant past was nearing completion. This was not simply a work of stone and mortar. It was far more significant that just its physical appearance. This was something esoterically spiritual and deeply religious. The religion it represented, the "Ancient Mysteries", contained beliefs and doctrines of an earlier age; an age when men and evil angelic beings exercised every passion of their imagination. Nimrod basked in the warmth of the sun and the pure euphoria of personal achievement, but this very day God Himself would thwart his ambitious plans of a world empire.

The construction would stop. The dreams of Nimrod would be shattered, but even with his subsequent death and dismemberment, the Ancient Mysteries would live on. With the help of the widow and her son (Semiramis and Tammuz), the Ancient Wisdom would be carefully preserved in the Babylonian Mystery Religion. (1) As the followers of Nimrod scattered across the face of the earth, the Ancient Mysteries accompanied them from Egypt to China. With the passing of time, the Ancient Wisdom was guarded by the "elite wise persons" of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Pergamos, and Rome. It found a home in Eastern Religions, the Jewish Kabalah, and in Western Gnosticism. (2)

After the turn of the Third Century AD, the power of the Church of Rome began to rise. However, this directly developed into a schism among the keepers of the Mysteries. When Constantine endorsed Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church embraced many of the doctrines of the Babylonian Mystery Religions. "This resulted in something far different from that which Jesus and His disciples taught. The teachings of the Roman Church became a sophisticated pagan philosophy tinged with the teachings of a transcendent, all-powerful God." (3) The Church adopted the worship of the mother and child, infant baptism, confession to a priest, and many other aspects of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. The Church did not, however, embrace the occult aspects of the Mystery Religions. These remained with the Mystery Schools of the East, Kabalists, and Gnostics until the time of the crusades. The occult aspects of the Ancient Wisdom surfaced publicly in France with the rise of the Merovingian Dynasty and the legends of "Parcival and the Quest for the Holy Grail". The schism exploded into a major conflict when the Knights Templar (The Order of the Temple) returned from the crusades as the wealthiest men on earth.

The Knights Templar and the Prieure’ de Sion (The Order of Zion) became the cultural elite that fully embraced the occult aspects of the Ancient Mysteries. This put them on a collision course with the Church of Rome and her allies. The Prieure’ de Sion went underground and became an elite "secret society", while the Knights Templar were viciously attacked by King Philippe IV and Pope Clement V. On October 13th, 1307, Philippe ordered the arrest of all Knights Templar. However, the prior evening, an unknown number of Knights Templar sailed from France with eighteen galleys loaded with the legendary Templar Treasure. (4) At least a portion of the Templars sailed to Scotland, and organizing with the Scots Guard, Rosicrucians, Invisible College, and Royal Society (all occult groups) formed the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. (5) The Freemasons appropriated the Templars as antecedents, as well as authorizing custody of their arcane secrets. (6) As a result, the Scottish Rite is "magically oriented, emphasizing a sacred social and political hierarchy, a divine order, and an underlying cosmic plan." (7) This is the very essence of the Ancient Mysteries of Nimrod.

Meanwhile, the power of the Church of Rome continued to increase. The Church and Freemasonry were sworn enemies, and the public occult influence of Freemasonry began to wane. About 1750, however, there arose a new generation of mystical knights. They were the arm of Freemasonry, which called themselves Jacobins. (8) The Jacobin cries of "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity" led the first major accomplishment of illuminized Freemasonry, The French Revolution. The Jacobins named a rebellious ex-Jesuit, Adam Weishaupht, "Grand Patriot". (9) Weishaupht embraced the occult mysteries and organized The Order of the Illuminati in 1776. By 1778 he infiltrated Masonry as a fully-initiated Master Mason. He then inducted the influential European elite of Masonry into the Illuminati—600 men by 1783. (10) On the other side of the Atlantic, mystical Masons were under siege by the occult Illuminists. The Illuminists saw America as the 13th step in evolution, and America’s spiritual destiny as accomplishing world union in the spirit of liberty, equality, and fraternity. (11) By 1789 the mystical Masonry of the New World succumbed to the occult one-world vision of the Weishaupht Illuminati, the guardians of the Ancient Mysteries of Nimrod.

The Industrial Revolution changed everything. Men did not act or think the same, and materialism became the order of the day. Due to this influence, Secular Humanism reared its head in the early 20th Century. Those who held to the occultism and gnosticism of the past were branded as fanatics or lunatics. Occultism once again went back into the closet. However, many of the closets belonged to the very rich and very powerful. Illuminism was alive and well, albeit hidden from the critical eyes of the general public. Freemasonry thus became a benevolent, fraternal organization out of necessity. As a result, the rank and file of the lower degrees of Masonry to this day have no clue as to the purpose of the society or the intentions of the controlling elite.

The unrest of the 1960s and the rise of the "Drug Culture" molded the beginnings of another public re-emergence of occultism. The New Age Movement of the 70s and 80s successfully mainstreamed many occult beliefs. This new renaissance of the occult has perfectly positioned Freemasonry to play a vital role in the 4400-year-old dream of Nimrod, a one-world, occult kingdom. Freemasonry currently serves as the conduit between the political organizations of the global elite (Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, CFR, etc.) and the occult groups of the Theosophical network (Theosophical Society, Rosicrucians, Lucis Trust, World Goodwill, etc.). These groups recognize the position of Freemasonry as an occult religious organization with the ability to bridge the gap between religion and politics. (12) Many of the rank and file of Freemasonry continue to insist that Freemasonry is not a religion. However, their own writings contradict these assertions. Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite (1860), recorded:

"Every lodge is a temple of religion, and its teaching
instruction in religion." (13)
To what religion was Pike making reference? His own words offer all the clarification needed:

"Masonry is the successor to the Mysteries." (14)

Many modern Masons have tried to distance themselves from Pike and his gnostic (highly occultic) work, MORALS AND DOGMA. They insist that his teachings are not that of Masonry, but merely his personal beliefs. They further insist that modern, benevolent Masonry should not be judged by writings over 100 years old. This line of reasoning is very confusing to those who recognize the Legend of Hiram Abiff is supposedly almost 3000 years old. Are not the claims of Masonry said to have originated at the time of Solomon? Are all claims and teachings prior to the 20th Century now null and void? Does this also negate the 32 degrees of the Scottish Rite designed by Pike? Furthermore, as recently as 1989, Scottish Rite Grand Commander, C. Fred Kleinknecht wrote:

"…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15)

Pike is not the only spokesman for the truth of Freemasonry. Alice Bailey, the one-time leading spokesperson for the Theosophical Society and a member of Co-Masonry with her husband, Foster, declared:

"The Masonic Movement is the custodian of the law,
the holder of the Mysteries, and the seat of initiation
… a far more occult organization than can be
realized … intended to be the training school for coming
advanced occultists." (16)

Alice Bailey summarized the entire history of Freemasonry. She makes no secret of the fact that illuminized Freemasonry is the present day guardian of the Ancient Wisdom of Nimrod. Though none should now even think of arguing this point, the description of the 32nd Degree of the Scottish Rite reads as follows:

"SUBLIME PRINCE OF THE ROYAL SECRET"
"The occult science of the Ancient Magi was concealed under the
shadows of the Ancient Mysteries: it was imperfectly revealed or
rather disfigured by the Gnostics; it is guessed at under the obscurities
that cover the pretended crimes of the Templars; and it is found enveloped
in enigmas that seem impenetrable, in the Rites of Highest Masonry." (17)

Here the guardianship of the Ancient Mysteries has been traced from the Magi of Medo-Persia, to Western Gnosticism, to the Knights Templar, and finally to the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

The "Ancient Mysteries" are still very mysterious. Much of what they contain will not be revealed until the appointed time. However, there is some level of understanding available not only to the initiates, but also to those who seek diligently for the truth. Gregson records that there is great gain for those initiates:

"To Babylon were brought all of the priests and teachers
of Egypt, Palestine, Zoroaster, Mithra, Greece, and masters
from all parts of the world. Kings sought to be initiated into
the rites of the Mysteries." (18)

The Merovingian Kings were priest-kings. These held not only political power but also religious power. (19) Many of the religious aspects of the Mysteries can be seen not only in the rituals of Freemasonry, but also in the extra-Biblical teachings of the Church of Rome. This was the primary point of contention between Catholicism and Masonry. Both are struggling for world domination. The Church has the advantage in the religious arena with established teachings. Today’s society is still not ready for the blatant occultism of the Illuminist. Freemasonry has the political advantage. Most world leaders are members of at least one Illuminati group. There is some conjecture that the Church and Freemasonry are getting closer. The background of Pope John Paul II implies that even he may be an Illuminati plant. In his younger years, he was an ardent student of Theosophy, and his embrace of the Marian apparitions certainly tends to lean from the mystical to the occult. (20)

The political aspects of the Ancient Mysteries can be clearly seen in an early 20th Century document, THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION. Though many claimed a Jewish conspiracy as to the origin of this document, it was most likely composed by the Prieure’ de Sion. The basic points are as follows:

1. Blueprint for world domination
2. Advent of a Masonic Kingdom
3. A king of the blood of Sion,…of the Dynastic roots of David
4. The King of the Jews will be the real Pope.
5. The world ruler will be the patriarch of an international church.
6. Only the king and 3 who stand to sponsor him will know what’s going on. (21)

For the reader who is acquainted with Bible Prophecy, there is a sudden revelation. If THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION are the product of an Illuminist secret society, all of history from Nimrod has suddenly been tied together. Here is the summary:

1. Nimrod sought to restore the pre-flood system by a world government, led by a priest-king, empowered directly by Lucifer.

2. When God spoiled Nimrod’s plan, Lucifer’s strategy was to set up a system of false religions which would hold in store these powerful Ancient Mysteries until the time that he (Lucifer) could succeed in establishing such a kingdom.

3. These Mysteries have been guarded since that time by a select elite group. There have been periods of history that have publicly accepted the darker (occult) side of the mysteries and periods when the occult has been suppressed.

4. The Bible records that a future world kingdom will arise led by the Beast (Antichrist), who will declare himself God. This world kingdom will be accompanied by a one-world church until such time it is no more useful to the Beast. The Beast will also declare himself to be the Messiah of the Jews and rightful heir to the throne of David.

5. It is very possible the 3 who stand to sponsor the king will be the 3"kingdoms" subdued by the Beast as prophesied in Dan. 7:24.

6. The Beast will reveal the secrets of the Ancient Mysteries, which have been so faithfully guarded by his servants for millennia as proof of his position to fully establish his kingdom.

The Ancient Mystery Religions did not worship the God of the Bible. Nimrod was the servant of Lucifer, and the resulting religious system was Luciferic. In spite of all objections to the contrary, the overwhelming proof reveals that Freemasonry does not honor the God of Scripture, but some other god. As a matter of fact, the teachings of Freemasonry are 180 degrees away from the Bible. (22) There are some obvious examples:

1. The Masonic Temple always has the entrance in the west and the altar in the east. In the Bible we are told the entrance of the Garden of Eden was in the east. While this may seem to be coincidental, the entrance to the Tabernacle was in the east with the Holy of Holies in the west. Solomon’s Temple (and subsequent Jewish Temples) had their entrances in the east and the Holy of Holies in the west. To enter the Garden of Eden and go to the Tree of Life, one was traveling from east to west. To enter the Tabernacle or the Temple to approach God, the priest traveled from east to west. Freemasonry is 180 degrees reversed. (23) As a matter of fact, one of the signs of Masonry is the statement; "I have been traveling in the east." (24) This seems much more significant when one considers the supposed origins of Masonry with Solomon. If God gave Solomon explicit instructions for the construction of the Temple, why would he design the Masonic Temple in reverse? This reverse image is very prevalent in the occult. The occult teachings seem to always be the negative image of the positive of God’s Word .

2. There are also certain oaths in Masonry that are very suspect. For example, as a Mason you must swear to conceal the crimes of other Masons. This equates to telling a lie and calling it moral. (25) The Bible records in Revelation 21, "…all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone forever." How can one ascribe to the Holy Scriptures and rationalize behavior opposite to its teaching?

3. Freemasonry teaches the doctrine of Universality. Simply put, this is the brotherhood of all men under the fatherhood of God. THIS IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. FURTHERMORE, THIS DOCTRINE IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE. The Bible records that when Adam turned from God and fell into sin, his sinful nature was passed to all of his descendents. A birth, of sorts took place at this point. Due to the fact that God cannot and will not tolerate sin, the lineage of all of mankind was then adopted by the originator of sin, Lucifer. As a result, all men are "born in sin" under the fatherhood of Lucifer. Jesus made this clear in John 8:44 when he told the Pharisees, "Ye are of your father, the Devil….". The only way a man can now become a child of God is to turn from himself, confess his sin and lost condition to God, repent of that sin, and trust by faith the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ for reconciliation to God. ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR ARE THE SONS OF GOD!! Manly Hall revealed the opposite position of Freemasonry when he wrote:

"To the altar of Freemasonry all men bring their most

votive offerings. Around it all men, whether they have

received their teachings from Confucius, Zoroaster,

Moses, Mohammed, or the founder of the Christian

Religion (note he does not name the name of Jesus –ed.),

just as long as they believe in the universality of the

of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man

…. meet upon a common level." (26)

Another Freemason, Albert Mackey, records:

"Now as Masons we divide not between these

(Ashteroth, Vishnu, Dagon, Baal) but take all

in as our Brethren, and the One God as our

Heavenly Father, revealed to us as such in

The Light of Masonry." (27)

Mackey here not only reiterates the heresy of Universality, but also raises a more serious question: What "god" is this that allows acceptance of the followers of Baal and these other pagan deities as brethren? This is certainly not the God of the Bible. (Incidentally, the god Baal was a Canaanite corruption of the Babylonian god Bacchus, who was directly derived from Tammuz, the son of the widow of Nimrod.) (28) God, in the Old Testament commanded Israel to completely annihilate the followers of Baal. The prophet Elijah must have been tragically mistaken when he ordered the massacre of 450 prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel. After all, according to Albert Mackey, these were Elijah’s brethren. (29)

What conclusion then can be drawn from the 180-degree reversal of Scripture? THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS NOT THE GOD OF FREEMASONRY! The god of Freemasonry must then be the god of the Ancient Mysteries. In all aspects of the occult, from The Mysteries of Babylon, to the Quest for the Holy Grail, to Hinduism, to Wicca, to the New Age Movement, and yes, in the writings of Freemasonry: God is described as an impersonal force which manifests itself in all of nature, in the spirit world, and in man himself. This is none other than the strategy of Lucifer from the time of the Garden of Eden. There in the Garden Lucifer told Eve, "ye shall be as gods…" (Genesis 3:5).

The day will come when all of the Ancient Mysteries will be revealed to all those dwelling on the earth. In the Legend of Hiram Abiff, that day will be marked by his resurrection to rule the world. According to the Bible, Hiram Abiff will most certainly rule. He will come as Hiram Abiff to the Mason, Messiah ben David to the Jew, Crishna to the Hindu, Imam Mahdi to the Moslem, Sosiosch to the Zoroastrian; but in the Word of God, he is called the Beast (Antichrist). He will bring peace and safety to a tumultuous world for 3½ years. He will be worshipped as the priest-king by all of mankind. He will reveal the Ancient Mysteries as his credentials. However, his reign of peace shall be short. He will be exposed to many at a time of Great Tribulation. He will then come face to face with the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The true heir to the throne of David will then cast the Beast alive in the Lake of Fire where he will be tormented day and night forever. The long awaited Masonic Kingdom will fall, and Jesus Christ will reign over all the earth. "…and… of His government and peace there shall be no end." (30)

Freemasonry is (as you have now been told) an occult religion, guarding the Ancient Mysteries of the coming Luciferic World Kingdom.

Extremely TRUE!!!!!