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Ozziecynic
12-29-2004, 02:28 AM
:-? :-? This forum calls itself the NWO yet many posters seem confused and differ in their understanding of just what the NWO is exactly and the method being used at the present time in history to bring us the allegedly conspired One World State!.

So I would like to simply ask all of you to reply to this post by explaining what you think the NWO is to you and what ideological and hence economic method you believe is being used at the present time to bring us the One World State.Do you think it is domination of Socialism or Ultra Free Trade capitalism.
So far I am not getting any consistency of opinion on the conspiracy just, inconsistency, confusion, contradiction paranioa and hypocrisy about all kinds of wacky percieved threats some crediable some not crediable at all.

Some here seem to be happy with the status quo but others here feel threatened by some imaginary socialist plot, while others here describe being anti financial institutions and Corporations which comes across as socialist if not quasi socialist.

With these different and contradictory positions anyone like myself coming to this site comes away very confused indeed.Especially since I came here thinking I knew what NWO was all about but after several weeks of posting here it is not so clear I do.
I thought NWO was simply another label for Globalistion which i understand to be an ultra capitalist U.S cultural domination not some kind of Socialist state as some deluded posters here seem to be claiming.
However now it seems many posters are simply telling me I am wrong for calling it an ultra capitalist domination.Further some posters here seem more than happy with the status quo of Ultra Capitalism and would like to see further liberalisation of international trade and further Privatisation ala Ayn Rands or Adams Smiths school of Economics.

I would like definative straight answer if possible because i am begining to feel iam wasting my time posting on this forum so many people are simply not onboard in agreement over anything. I am also coping abuse for posing straight forward questions which i feel i dont deserve.
Henry Makow has claimed to be a Larouche Movement Supporter (I have been an associate Australian member) but i fail to see how this could be the case because the Larouche movement is atleast quasi Socialist and most long term posters here seem to be far more right wing economically so something about this forum simply doesnt add up.
Could you all explain the purpose of this forum. I would appreciate your well thought out responses to clear up this confusion once and for all:-?

john
12-29-2004, 03:01 AM
Ozziecynic, could it be that your problem is too much focusing on labels like "conspiracy", "socialist" or "ultra capitalist"? May be you should just open your eyes and try to understand reality without the filters of the labels. Of course, this is very difficult if you trust the mainstream media since they are pretty good at showing you oasis mirages where there is only desert.

Just go ahead my friend, use your eyes and your brain, understanding is not given in a pack ready to consume. Reading the articles of Henry Makow and many others can help you understand the reality of what is called the "New World Order". The more you observe and think by yourself, the more you will be able to select among the real information and the garbage. And the more you will be able to stay free in your mind, which is the real treasure on the island called "life".

Ozziecynic
12-29-2004, 06:28 AM
Ozziecynic, could it be that your problem is too much focusing on labels like "conspiracy", "socialist" or "ultra capitalist"? May be you should just open your eyes and try to understand reality without the filters of the labels. Of course, this is very difficult if you trust the mainstream media since they are pretty good at showing you oasis mirages where there is only desert.

:-? No this is not my problem at all!
My knowledge never comes from the mainstream.
If it did i doubt i would be posting on a forum like this or reading conspiracy literature not many people in their 20 and 30s read this stuff in Australia. Not that Makows writing site is anything like this forum.The calibre of some posters here is an insult to his work!.

I think you make too many assumptions about me sir!And what is more you didnt really answer my post you simply skipped it!.I hope few more people can answer it better! :-?

rangergord
12-29-2004, 10:06 AM
I figured out where you were coming from the other day. You're an IndyMedia.com style anti-globalist.

For those who don't know, IndyMedia is collectivists with a few anarchists opposed to globalization and privatization.

Where part of the confusion comes is that IndyMedia was created by and continues to receive it's funding from the Robber Baron Foundations.

So you need to ask a question.

Why would monopoly capitalist-globalists fund their opposition?

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What is the NWO? It's best you find that answer yourself. Type "Ruskin Rhodes Webb Wells" into google and have fun.

thokhanCep
12-29-2004, 10:27 AM
This forum calls itself the NWO yet many posters seem confused and differ in their understanding of just what the NWO is exactly and the method being used at the present time in history to bring us the allegedly conspired One World State!.

Ozzie you live in a franchise of the United Kingdom as do I here in Canada.
The entire money game has been corrupted.
I would like you to read a post sent here from one of the fine members who visits this website:
Phone call to the feds (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=293&forum=17&PHPSESSID=e62f670b8067b43fbe9ec8974950ecd1)
NWO = TOTAL CONTROL of everyones every move
Cashless society awaits all of us in the "system".
Credit, debit, finger prints, iris scans, and facial recognition - to buy some bread? maybe
who really knows .. unless you are the NWO
disinformation agents? YES truth seekers? YES
Its a forever changing model to keep the crowd guessing.
There is no way to pin point the next step unless you are creating the steps.
Why would you use one system of controlling the masses when you could have 10 ways and create mass confusion?

chowdah
12-29-2004, 11:21 AM
I think that we all have different ideas about who and what the NWO really is. I feel the NWO encompasses all evil and suffering on this planet we call home. All wars have been financed by the NWO which would lead you to believe that the NWO is in favor of death and distruction, disease and starvation...anything that cuts the population down. The NWO wants the worlds population decreased by 80% so they can survive. They want control of all natural resources and food supplies so they can survive. They want the U.S. to fail so we become a 3rd world nation begging for help from the all controling world government that they are trying to install right now. It is not just the U.S., but Russia, Europe, Ausralia, Canada, South America, etc. etc. It is all encompassing. the NWO has chosen to take aver the American government because we have the most money, the strongest military and the most dumbed down, nonthinking population in the world. Our country is full of sheeple who do not pay attenton to what is going on, only that they can have there big meals and fancy cars and big houses. As long as there is a lap of luxury here in the states, no one is going to say anything. Our only hope is that all of us who are aware can join together under one common goal to save humanity from enslavement and domination.

PEACE

sablefish
12-29-2004, 12:06 PM
The Permanent Revolution (http://proliberty.com/observer/20030115.htm)

"The Permanent Revolution is the most over looked process of modern, Western, industrial society's history. This revolution is an ongoing evolution of Capitalism into Socialism, which will eventually lead to the implementation of a self-regulating, classless society. In essence Capitalism, Socialism and Communism are integeral parts of the same perpetual procedure."

~~~snip~~~
1. The Permanent Revolution is a continuous process to remove the world's various national sovereignties.

2. If Capitalism is left on its own unimpeded it will naturally evolve into Socialism that will create Communism.

3. When Capitalism quits expanding it falls into crisis. And when Capitalism falls into crisis it resorts to some form of Facism.

4. The Republican Party [is a member of] the International Democratic Union.

5. Through the IDU, member parties can exchange policy ideas, assist each other to win the political argument and to win elections.

The NWO is the global aristocracy of bankers, and multinational corporate ownership and control of everything. The governments they install will run all businesses, and social interactions.. With a Noahide legal system

The NWO is Global Communism under a new name.

This article explains how we moved from Capitalism, to Socialism on our way to the final goal of Communism.

Born_To_Die
12-29-2004, 01:56 PM
rangergord wrote:
I figured out where you were coming from the other day. You're an IndyMedia.com style anti-globalist.

For those who don't know, IndyMedia is collectivists with a few anarchists opposed to globalization and privatization.

Where part of the confusion comes is that IndyMedia was created by and continues to receive it's funding from the Robber Baron Foundations.

So you need to ask a question.

Why would monopoly capitalist-globalists fund their opposition?

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Just the same reason they funded that fat

lying son of bitch Michael Moore ... they

know the mood of the world very well and want

to steer this ferocious appetite for the

truth towards their poisoned food.

nohope187
12-29-2004, 02:06 PM
Yeah, I read about "Perpetual Revolution" in either in ConspiracyPlanet or Breaking All the Rules. good point, Sable. :-P

freeman
12-29-2004, 02:37 PM
This article explains how we moved from Capitalism, to Socialism on our way to the final goal of Communism.

I love the Idaho Observer.
It's even more nourishing than their potatos.
:-D

Ozziecynic
12-29-2004, 11:55 PM
I figured out where you were coming from the other day. You're an IndyMedia.com style anti-globalist.
:-? Well you seem to have figured partly wrong! Although you got the anti Globlist part right, where you got the idea that i was an anarchist I dont know!
Really i stated at the start of the thread that i was an associate larouche movement member. Apart from that i also attend a Pentacostal christian church.Does that still look anarchist to you!.

I stated the larouche part in white and grey in the opening post.That should have been crystal clear, not for some it seems.

More importantly I am just a cynical individual, peer pressure as lttle to do with who I am!.
I think for myself I never conform 100% mentally to any groups I am associated whether political or religious.
So do the groups i am with associated with think I make great member or attender probly not because i keep my own counsel on not all but certainly the most important moral and political issues to myself. Spirit filled churches dont usually push any political affliation anyway and nor should they!.

For those who don't know, IndyMedia is collectivists with a few anarchists opposed to globalization and privatization.

Indy media is not an organisation it simply a forum much like this site with the exception of being hosted on open source servers where people with similar ideologies post issues.Personally although i can see the loose social morals sometimes displayed i have no problem with anti establishment and anti globlist sentiment and niether should anyone here from what i can gather except for the wacky ultra capos!.

Where part of the confusion comes is that IndyMedia was created by and continues to receive it's funding from the Robber Baron Foundations
To be honest I have never thought about who is behind it much. Because i have never met any of these radicals associated with it.
However if you claim this is the case can you link me to some evidence to prove this otherwise why should i believe your idle reactionary slurs on what i see as honest possibly misguided youth simply searching for answers much like people on this forum are searching for answers!.
With the exception of being from a different age group and differnt financial and lifestyle position in the capo hiearchy!.

Possibly some of you here should not be so judgemental towards those under thirty unless you intend to keep it some kind of digruntled old mens club!So far you seem to be doing just that and iam not surprised!.
Further i wonder just how many of you are members of political parties and groups and not idly criticising without taking concrete action in the real world.
It is always better to be fair dinkum than some kind of whinging hobbyist behind your keyboard. Atleast these young activists get out on the streets which is more than can be said for some middle aged conservatives! Who expect to change fate from the comfort of their keyboards!

So you need to ask a question.

Show me the evidence then we will discuss it not until! :-?

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rangergord
12-30-2004, 12:19 AM
Ozzie,

Your reading comprehension skills exceed your grasp of history.

Ozziecynic
12-30-2004, 05:15 AM
Sablefish:

This revolution is an ongoing evolution of Capitalism into Socialism, which will eventually lead to the implementation of a self-regulating, classless society. In essence Capitalism, Socialism and Communism are integeral parts of the same perpetual procedure.

:-P There we have it a self regulating classless society. Self regulating sounds pretty capitalist to me rather than some over bearing government regulation. So where do some of you get the idea this is somehow socialist in character at all. After reading through the feature i dont see any socialist style policies not even mild government intervention.What it shows me is an ultra capitalist conspiracy or plutocracy of keeping the wealth in the hands of the most Elite group.Nothing new to me there.

Could it be that the difference of semantics of political and ecnomic terms between the U.S and more anglo countries like Australia is blurring our understanding of terms, thus leading to unnecessary misunderstandings and disagreement because to be honest, on most issues here i agree with you guys. But seems it is more a matter of semantics with terms.For example take the term Liberal in Australia it means the conservative party or the local party that has most incommon with Free trade style economic polices and therefore Globalisation.

In the U.S i believe it means almost the opposite for example those on the left like Kerry or clinton who believe in open slather for loose social morality like Gays and abortion on demand but have slightly more moderate economic polices you see the confusion these terms are causing between us.

The Permanent Revolution is the continual process of War, Revolution, and Terror intended to facilitate the global proliferation of a specific and unified Anglo/British Capitalism based on the precepts of the Fabian Society (founded in the mid 1880s). The objective is the creation of a Free Market Economy (Economic Democracy) based on international Free Trade through the United Nation's General Agreements on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and its evolutionary offspring the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Well i agree with you here.I am also against that!

International Free Trade requires the explicit destruction of National Sovereignty. The final goal is the perfection of a highly organized and technologically advanced Capitalism. This Capitalism will only reach its perfection when it has evolved into Socialism. Once this perfected Corporate Socialism dominates all global economic activity then it will be possible to create the economic, political, social and moral conditions to make possible the emergence of a self-regulating, classless society directed by a Dictatorship over the Proletariat.

Yep i realise that and iam also against that!
The only thing is in the post modern sense of word the prolateriat will probly be white collar rather than blue collar worker perhaps they will be more middle class rather than prolateriat in this scenario just to revise Marx for the post industrial era of service and information industries.

In 1980 Ronald Reagan was elected likewise as president. At that time he was incorrectly considered by many of this nation as on the conservative Right wing extreme, determined to end 50 years of the liberal Left wing East Coast Establishment dominance of the American government. He believed in a strong military posture, tax cuts to stimulate an economy in severe recession, draconian tariff reductions and was anti-Communist (that still never existed).

Against Reagan so am i so it seem s your no Market Libertarian like some nut jobs here good on you in agreemant so far! contin..

In 2000 George W. Bush was also "elected" president. At that time Bush was hailed as a World Conservative being politically right of center and determined to spread the fruits of "the American way of life." He believes in a strong military, radical tax cuts to stimulate an economy in severe crisis, total elimination of tariffs globally and with the fake Communism defeated by Reagan no one is able to recognize the implementation of true Communism.

Against GWB so am i. In agreement once again another Freetrade libertarian style warmonger!.


So after all that where do we disagree except for the minor issue of semantics in ideological and ecnomic terms!By far we are in agreement bro! :-)

I am an Austrlian larouche supporter here read some of his policies he is an american that believes in real platonic Rebublic not a fake plutocracy posing as a Republic which i believe you currently have.!

http://larouchepub.com/index.html

btw despite what i said 789 in another post just to piss him/her off iam not monarchist i like republics but real republics!. :-)

sablefish
12-30-2004, 11:39 AM
Ozziecynic.. I like Larouche, I also like Charlie Reese, and Pat Buchanan.. Somehow the far "left" and the Far "right" are closer together than they are to the center.. and the center is now "The Third Way". If fellow S.B. member Kerry would have been elected, The policies would be exactly the same.

What I don't like about the American political system, is the deception of "Third Way" guys in Bush's cabinet, that pretend that they are conservatives, when they are the very face of Global Communism. They deny knowing anything about the IDU, of Fabian Socialism, (incremental small steps towards Communism), and yet they attend IDU meetings.

The Administration says it is fighting Wars for freedom.. when it is really fighting Wars for Slavery.. And the insiders know it.They say it is a war on terrorism, but it is a war against any threat to their plans for Globalism.

Born_To_Die
12-30-2004, 11:49 AM
sablefish wrote:
Ozziecynic.. I like Larouche, I also like Charlie Reese, and Pat Buchanan.. Somehow the far "left" and the Far "right" are closer together than they are to the center.. and the center is now "The Third Way". If fellow S.B. member Kerry would have been elected, The policies would be exactly the same.

What I don't like about the American political system, is the deception of "Third Way" guys in Bush's cabinet, that pretend that they are conservatives, when they are the very face of Global Communism. They deny knowing anything about the IDU, of Fabian Socialism, (incremental small steps towards Communism), and yet they attend IDU meetings.

The Administration says it is fighting Wars for freedom.. when it is really fighting Wars for Slavery.. And the insiders know it.They say it is a war on terrorism, but it is a war against any threat to their plans for Globalism.


well said sablefish

:-D

789
12-30-2004, 01:38 PM
>> This revolution is an ongoing evolution of Capitalism into Socialism, which will eventually lead to the implementation of a self-regulating, classless society.

In your dream, perhaps. (Or, if God sets up residence on this planet and manages His property by Himself)
Permanent revolution was invented to keep the masses in permanent turmoil, not to settle them down in a wonder land. And all the bullies, robber barons, captains of industry, etc., will just quietly settle down next to the replicator and sip synthetic whisky and watch some holo-show.

There is no evolution of species, and there is no evolution of societies. Society doesn't have genes that force it to develop into something without, or even in spite of, its own volition. The alleged evolution of stone-age communal societies into slave holding societies, then into feudalism, than to capitalism, then to socialism, then to communism is an invention of Marx. Socialism was given to us by aristocrats and monopoly capitalist. It wasn't some sort of natural development, desired by the masses down below. (Socialism can only survive on the back of capitalism, otherwise there is no one to tax for the socialist programs. There is no socialism in Bangladesh because there is no capitalism there, either)

What did the people want before the Great French Revolution :

I. The French government is monarchic.
II. The person of the King is inviolable and sacred.
III. His crown is hereditary from male to male.

On these three Points the cahiers were unanimous, and the great majority were agreed on the following :

IV. The King is the depositary of the executive power.
V. The agents of authority are responsible.
VI. The royal sanction is necessary for the promulgation of the laws.
VII. The nation makes the laws with the royal sanction.
VIII. The consent of the nation is necessary for loans and taxes.
IX. Taxes can only be imposed from one meeting of the States-General to another.
X. Property is sacred.
XI. Individual liberty is sacred.

[ From Nesta Webster's "The French Revolution"
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/webster/frenchrev/fr_rev_01.html ]


And what did they get from the top down, oh-so-educated revolutionaries ? We know very well.

It is not the people who want internationalism and socialism (especially not spontaneously), but subversive elements spreading subversive ideas among the people. And these subverters are generally not working class individuals (they are too busy earning a living), but petite bourgeois, paid for by some big bourgeois.

It was not natural development, but brutal force that made the government in Washington the monster it became. And it is hook and crook, lie and cheat that is used to set up that monster government in Brussels.

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The game plan is to set up the new Atlantis
Read Mr. Hall or Mr. Pike
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apike01.html
And what was the old Atlantis ? We don't have much information, from what I read it was a bee-hive-like slave state in which the state was god, and the worship of the state was the mandatory state religion. There was a ruling class, a drone (civil servant) class, and a whole bunch of worker bees. The island of Atlantis ruled over a planet-wide empire.
In any case, this is exactly what they are preparing for us these days.

A slave owner (or a dog owner for that matter) protects his investment and takes it to a doctor (or veterinarian) occasionally; he also trains (or takes him to obedience school) his slave to be an useful tool. So is the socialist/slave state. It takes the children from the parents and sends them to early child-care, day-care, this school that school, and train him/her to be an useful speaking tool. For the purpose of school is not just to teach the children to read and write and arithmetic, but to raise them up to a fine piece of cog in the machinery of the state.
So much for public education and health care and public housing.

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In 1972 Gary Allen observed that even though 99% of Americans claimed to be anti-communist, hardly any of them knew what communism was (and what he was opposing); almost all of them considered socialism inevitable.
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/allen/nonedare_02.html

Today it is the same. People claim to be opposed to the new world order, yet they don't know what it is; and accept, what's more embrace, the socialism that the nwo brought to us; the same socialism which is but a stage on our way to the nwo (communism), universal republic.


The opposite of the NWO is a small nation-state with a small and limited government; Something like Switzerland. Or the ward system that was desired by Jefferson, but could not achieve.
[Letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824; to Joseph Cabell 1816, February 2.]


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How universities breed marxists
http://www.savethemales.ca/000561.html

rangergord
12-30-2004, 02:59 PM
Nesta Webster, so cool. Most of her work has been (correctly) proven to be wrong but it does show how secret societies (do) operate.

thokhanCep
12-31-2004, 10:39 AM
Ozzieswiftkick
Pine Gap has you pegged .. you are a walking advertisement of governments gone wild

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/conspire2.html

Pine gap links awith fringe benefits

or you can buy the book
http://www.epinions.com/content_48633843332
"We know have a plethora of speculation such as;

Pine Gap Australia's Area 51.
Pine Gap "torture and electronic mind control of US Citizens"
Pine Gap" brainwashing and even implantation of intracranial devices" turning people into unconditional slaves.

And these are some of the saner claims!"

Ozziecynic
12-31-2004, 05:36 PM
789:
:-? With all this constant talk of communism and internationalism of the trotsky variety which is what i assume you mean! You dont seem to realise that Liberalism has an internationalist element all of its own which never involved trotskyite socialism.
Liberalism has a Universalist school of thought which has nothing to do with socialism and developed indepnedently from it!.However it has everything to do with international Free trade!.
Really I think to call it communism and socialism is incorrect!.Because there is nothing socialist about the world and its present state of affairs although there is plenty of evidence of Ultra monopoly capitalism.
To deny this is to bury your head in your imaginary mccarthyite paranioa which has more cediability fifty years ago than it does in the 21st century and I think the majority would agree!.

It is not the people who want internationalism and socialism (especially not spontaneously), but subversive elements spreading subversive ideas among the people. And these subverters are generally not working class individuals (they are too busy earning a living), but petite bourgeois, paid for by some big bourgeois.

789 I thought you were a member of the petit bourgoise.Didnt you describe yourself as being a small business in another thread in which you attacked me for simply existing!.
It would be helpful to get your definition of working class. Despite all your claims that I am a marxist( I am definately Not) I dont believe in such thing as working class you apprently do!.

I believe that Marxist crap become irrelevant after the post industrial era.The process began roughly after 1973 when post modern capitalism gradually evolved from being industrially based and blue collar to being service and information based and white collar.Also the flexible nature of the modern capitalist workforce being casualised and contract based.
There is no working class in the marxist definition anymore. It has all been outdated that is one of the reasons why most modern marxists are more like Democratic socialists than revolutionary radicals because there ideology is so irrelevant in the post modern world they had no other option but to become more moderate and move to the centre!. :-?

Ozziecynic
01-01-2005, 03:02 AM
Thochancep:
What are you on about?
If governments have gone wild it is because they are neo Corporatist kind of like Mussolinis Italy or Nazi Germany not because they are socialist. Corporatism has more to do with capitalism and especially Fascism than it does with Socialism.
Just look into it for yourself instead of attacking me due to your own limted understanding frustrated ignorance!.

789
01-03-2005, 06:34 PM
rangergord

What part of "The French Revolution" or "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" was proven to be wrong ?

thokhanCep
01-05-2005, 10:20 PM
Thochancep:What are you on about? If governments have gone wild it is because they are neo Corporatist kind of like Mussolinis Italy or Nazi Germany not because they are socialist. Corporatism has more to do with capitalism and especially Fascism than it does with Socialism.Just look into it for yourself instead of attacking me due to your own limted understanding frustrated ignorance!.

Ozzie you are fighting about a useless issue here
Its like asking a cop to be tasered when you could have had the mase.
No government institution works, no model , mode or idea can make any sense.
Its a pointless stupid issue that makes no sense.
How would you like to be controlled today?
What amount of tax is acceptable to you?

Its all about the mass of populations and not the few who try to control them.

2004 election , Bush vs. Kerry , proves we are in a technocracy anyways.

billiard
01-06-2005, 11:17 AM
ozzie

on the assumption that your initial post was an honest question and your aim is simply to decipher the rhetoric,cut through the endless bullshit and figure out what the hell is going on in the world , i will give you my take on what the NWO is .

first of all ,i am not a political science major so i may be technically inaccurate in my understanding of various "isms" . totalitarianism i do understand .total control over our lives by monolithic government . tyranny . there are various forms ,china/north korea-type marxism,the fascism of nazi germany and italy in the 30's and 40's ,far left and far right to some ,but totalitarian states all.absolute power ,rule by brute force .

the NWO is the planned globalist state ,a totalitarian state where the rights we have ,if any, are determined by the rulers in government and can therefore be revoked at their discretion .no national sovereignty, no bill of rights . a global state where the international bankers and the multi-national corporations finally achieve their goal .an absolute monopoly .there was a movie that illustrated this perfectly,though probably many didn't get it .it was "the matrix" .in the scene where morpheus was introducing neo to the matrix ,we're the little batteries .they need us to build their cars and keep their electricity turned on, to fuel their airplanes and grow their food ,so they'll give us enough to keep us doing those things ,just like they do now ,but you and me ozzie ,we are nothing more than the little batteries .that's the NWO the way i see it .

Ozziecynic
01-08-2005, 07:23 PM
on the assumption that your initial post was an honest question and your aim is simply to decipher the rhetoric,cut through the endless bullshit and figure out what the hell is going on in the world , i will give you my take on what the NWO is .

Its alright i dont expect you to believe the honesty of anyones cyber persona without some level of cyncism.I do the same myself.After all its just a Global online forum hosted by a questionable web server with plenty of commercial advertising to boot, amongst all this radical esoteric and mind altering conspiracy revelation. :lol:. But do hope the resident feds(au) asio cia or nsa travellers are impressed by my knowledge and critical ability :-D

first of all ,i am not a political science major so i may be technically inaccurate in my understanding of various "isms" . totalitarianism i do understand .total control over our lives by monolithic government . tyranny . there are various forms ,china/north korea-type marxism,the fascism of nazi germany and italy in the 30's and 40's ,far left and far right to some ,but totalitarian states all.absolute power ,rule by brute force .

We already have that right now under the guise of the pragmatic all powerful USA. As you may have seen on certain conspiracy sites and atleast one thread on this forum the Bush family dynasty themselves have been implicated in financing Fascists in the 1920s and 1930s (Prescott Bush eg Union Banking co, GI Farben Co, Ford, IBM ) also Pinnochet in Chile and their more personal satanic endevours like the skull and bones connection of several high level figures in the u.s admin.
So in what position is the U.S neo corporatist empire to talk of Freedom over totalitarianism.

the NWO is the planned globalist state ,a totalitarian state where the rights we have ,if any, are determined by the rulers in government and can therefore be revoked at their discretion .no national sovereignty, no bill of rights . a global state where the international bankers and the multi-national corporations finally achieve their goal .an absolute monopoly .there was a movie that illustrated this perfectly,though probably many didn't get it .it was "the matrix" .in the scene where morpheus was introducing neo to the matrix ,we're the little batteries .they need us to build their cars and keep their electricity turned on, to fuel their airplanes and grow their food ,so they'll give us enough to keep us doing those things ,just like they do now ,but you and me ozzie ,we are nothing more than the little batteries .that's the NWO the way i see it .

I agree with the above assesment but you seem to be stating it as though it is a future prophecy.The fact is it is already here right now! It is no future prophecy in the manner you seem to describe it!.As a non american i think and feel Globalisation is the culture of the U.S and none other. As you are a nth american you probly dont realise just how much the U.S style commerical culture as changed our domestic Australian culture and image since atleast the 1970s. But I do notice it!. :-?

marypopinz
01-08-2005, 07:48 PM
Ozzie,

I understand exactly what you mean. I went to an area of London and I could have sworn I was back in California. The architecture, the shops, the businesses, the beautiful people, the bullshit.

When I came back this time to Nova Scotia in 2003 it felt more like California here too - it was the cociane kind of attitude I was sensing.

I understand now, what you are saying and yes you are right. The American culture of greed is being exported and imported globally. But who developed this idea? I do not believe it was corporate America solely.

I believe the NWO has been a very long running agenda, long before America was concieved as a nation, the bankers were placing all their ducks in a row and crossing their I's and T's.

I think just like ING globalised banking/Insurance fraud was birthed, here in Nova Scotia, globalised greed was an agenda and a social programming experiment that was bestowed up American citizenry, before the birth of the American Corporate machine.

The Global machine is the exact same picture as its smaller American sibling, just on a much larger global scale.

Are the American population and the U.S. government just the lead role in the WWF x-rated soap opera - As the World Burns A.K.A. globalisation? I believe they are literally the Oliver North, for the world.


My two cents.

XXX

Ozziecynic
01-10-2005, 05:25 AM
:-) Thanks for the support Mary.Iam glad we have been able to see eye on something!
I have only one question as canack why do feel so much sympathy for the U.S i thought canacks where fiercely independent of their southern imperial neighbour!.

Despite the similar twangy accent :lol:

marypopinz
01-10-2005, 07:58 AM
I have sympathy for any country that has been brainwashed by their media and politicians, as bad as the U.S.A. has been lied to and decieved. Children are dumbed down through public education - no doubt.

The U.S. are assaulted with this shit, more than any other country of people's. I have to feel compassion for someone who does not realise what the truth is and is living a lie.

I will also point out that our politicians and our Canadian way of life is just as messed up as the U.S. Our local media is becoming ABC and CNN feed. Disturbing to say the least. canada is no better and just as involved in these dirty deeds as the U.S. Canada is just as guilty as the next country.

I guess when the Russian taxi driver can tell me that he came to Canada because he believed the propaganda... that is saying something.

I've been trying to understand your point of view because it is so different and to me, most relavent. You are looking from the outside into North America.

I think the U.S. is going to be financially collapsed and sent into an insane financial depression. I have to have compassion for the American families who foolishly gambled their wages, investing in the stock markets. When they are crashed?

I have to have compassion for those who were too greedy in purchasing their homes, modesty was not on the cards, as when the insurance rates sky-rockets, many families will be homeless; middle class people without the coping skills of the poor. There is hell coming to the states and it's called civil war.

Imagine a suburban ghetto? Paints an ugly picture.

I have had many visions of civil war in the American cities. I have to have compassion for them, like I do the families in Faluja, Iraq. There are many victims - innocent and guilty alike.

Civil war has already begun in the inner cities of the U.S. and it is here in my canadian home town too.

Children in some areas, are put to bed with the gunfire explained away from "They're starting the boat races, hun, goto sleep" to "You are not allowed out, you might get shot."

I guess my compassion truly lies with the children and the children need the adults so I have to have compassion for their ignorant asses too. That's just the way I think and believe and live my life.

I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around and the U.S.A. is not the lead bitch in my books. Just another co-conspirator.

Your thoughts please?

Mary XXX

billiard
01-10-2005, 01:23 PM
ozzie

and where does your anti-american bullshit come from ? this is not an american thing-it's roots are european,if anything . we in america who believe in freedom and self-determination are being victimized along with everyone else. your characterization of US culture being one and the same with globalism(NWO) is indicative of your apparent hatred of america . your country wouldn't be as free as it is ,nor would the rest of the world, without the influence of the USA over the last 200 or so years .it just so happens that the economic freedom here built tremendous wealth(which our international bankers have just about siphoned off)and the affluence in america is probably most responsible for our culture influencing that of the rest of the free world to such a degree . our culture,incidently,has been deteriorating at a rapid rate due in part to the strategic planning of the globalist-controlled media and government. multi-cultural rhetoric along with massive immigration has left only a fragment of the american culture i grew up with .the US government deserves to be demonized ,as you seem more than willing to point out, but not only on points of foreign policy ,but domestic as well,possibly even more so . we are getting screwed at least as much as you are . you are obviously well-educated ...it appears you have swallowed some of the poison spewed forth by your fat socialist professors so that now ,capitalism and america are the scapegoats to all the world's problems . to that i say BS ! free market capitalism is responsible for the level of comfort you and i live in,a level unimaginable only a couple generatios ago, and is an essential to a free society . but while no one was looking,with the help of our elected officials(traitors) ours became a monopolistic capitalism and that is a monster that threatens to consume us all .

Ozziecynic
01-13-2005, 07:16 AM
and where does your anti-american bullshit come from ? this is not an american thing-it's roots are european,if anything .]

:-? American Economists like Milton Friedman etc. a Monetarist economist and others in the chicago school of ecnomics in the 1970s are very much the brains trust of Laissez faire style Liberalism globally and they are all american. This style of Capitalism is what most plebians know as Free trade or Globalisation!.
But added to this many American Libertarians have also added fruit loops like Ayn Rand and Fredrich Hayek to their Ecnomic rationalist dogma and have made it the modus operendi of post modern capitalism for the b boomers and all proceeding generations.
The difference for me personally is my folks are older than the b boomer gen so never fell into this Greed is good mentality which seems to come more from the US than anywhere else!.So to answer your question thats where it comes from!.

you are obviously well-educated ...it appears you have swallowed some of the poison spewed forth by your fat socialist professors so that now ,capitalism and america are the scapegoats to all the world's problems . to that i say BS ! free market capitalism is responsible for the level of comfort you and i live in,a level unimaginable only a couple generatios ago, and is an essential to a free society .

Speak for yourself it has created no such comfort or good life for me! For employees that is what i have been for most of life.A Free trade economy is bad news for industrial relations and all kinds of issues related to wages and causalisation outsourcing etc.
For business i suppose it is good!. But capitalism needs both chiefs and indians both consumers and producers so to have all entrepenurs is just as stupid as having all workers. Empolyees need rights too!.
A good capitalist economy in my mind would be a good mixture of both not extremes of one or the other. I am not from a rural area nor was my father a business man he was a civil servant so I am not likely to have any entrepenurial habits in my conditioning.

I am not sure what kind of segment of the american demograhic is represented on this forum but it seems after being here atleast a month a good proporation are disgruntled small enterprise owners!.
In this case i cant really claim to understand all your concerns only those that seem more powerful than both of us. I am probly less powerful than you.
So i am being screwed by the system more than you any day.In many ways people like yourself are the system and represent it from my standpoint so why would we have the same interests!.
Your interests are not necessarily mine.Why would you assume they are. The forum sets no limitations on these issues so until it does i would expect certain degree of diversity on here!. :-?

rangergord
01-13-2005, 10:32 AM
American Economists like Milton Friedman etc.

See that's the thing Ozz. You need to learn your history. Friedman can be tied to the Rockefeller's, Adam Smith ("the father of free trade") and the Austrian School of Economics.

By now you should have googled "ruskin webb wells Rhodes", now you should take a look at "corn laws".

billiard
01-13-2005, 12:58 PM
ozzie

you said:

"Speak for yourself it has created no such comfort or good life for me! For employees that is what i have been for most of life.A Free trade economy is bad news for industrial relations and all kinds of issues related to wages and causalisation outsourcing etc."

my response:

do you have a car oz? or a phone?how about a television or a computer? a soft bed , a place to live with doors and windows? you have lots of comforts many in this world do not have . and free market capitalism made those things so common you don't think of them as comforts ,made prosperity accessible to millions . the pursuit of profit,gain,wealth, this is not evil.to want a nicer house,or car or to take a nicer vacation with your family or travel to see the places you read about ...what is wrong with that? you probably want those things yourself .sounds like the old class warfare-socialism trick to me .

listen to me : what is called free trade today is NOT free. the capitalism you see today has been perverted and is NOT free market any longer .it is monopolistic .corrupt government(yours AND mine) has SCREWED it's people,betrayed us for twenty pieces of silver . just because you hear "free trade zone" from the talking heads doesn't mean the trade is truly free .

you said:

"I am not sure what kind of segment of the american demograhic is represented on this forum but it seems after being here atleast a month a good proporation are disgruntled small enterprise owners!.
In this case i cant really claim to understand all your concerns only those that seem more powerful than both of us. I am probly less powerful than you.
So i am being screwed by the system more than you any day.In many ways people like yourself are the system and represent it from my standpoint so why would we have the same interests!."

my response:

a disgruntled small enterprise owner? hardly .my dad was an hourly wage earner all his life.construction electrician and labor union member ,as i am. my wife and i have struggled to raise three children on one income so we could raise them and not leave it to someone else . we are in the process of buying our first home.

people like me are the system and represent it? yeah ozzie i made the taxes too high and sent the factories to china .get a grip.i guarantee you are NOT being screwed any more than me.

i still say you have a very anti-american slant to everything you post. why is that ? do you know,or have you ever known ,an american? you may find out you have more in common with us than you think . i am trying to help you become ozzie ,instead of ozzie the cynic.

Ozziecynic
01-13-2005, 09:38 PM
See that's the thing Ozz. You need to learn your history.
I know the history of modern capitalism quite well thanks. :-D

Friedman can be tied to the Rockefeller's, Adam Smith ("the father of free trade") and the Austrian School of Economics.
You dont say!. :-D As i have posted numerous times in previous posts all over the forum.Just click on my profile and check out all my posts and you should be able to see a line of consistancy.
I know what I believe in!:-?
Here is a link you might be interested in!That tells facts about the Monetarists or Austrian school as they really are!.
http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/contents.htm#empire

Ozziecynic
01-13-2005, 10:14 PM
billiard wrote:
ozzie

.my response:

Quote(do you have a car oz? or a phone?how about a television or a computer? a soft bed , a place to live with doors and windows? you have lots of comforts many in this world do not have . and free market capitalism made those things so common you don't think of them as comforts ,made prosperity accessible to millions . the pursuit of profit,gain,wealth, this is not evil.to want a nicer house,or car or to take a nicer vacation with your family or travel to see the places you read about ...what is wrong with that? you probably want those things yourself .sounds like the old class warfare-socialism trick to me.Quote)

:-? They are indeed the the results of sciecne technology and hence materialism!.
But they are not necessarily the results of capitalism.Because a plenty of technology was also produced in the USSR under communism as plenty of innovations were also achieved in Nazi germany under Hitler.
Neither of these systems were ofcause free trade style capitalism but, look new technology was produced due to science and technology but it was not neo liberal capitalism!
So your point is flawed!.Technology is simply the creativity and resources of the citizen in any nation which makes technological innovation possible!.It is not due to the kind of economic system in existence.

listen to me : what is called free trade today is NOT free. the capitalism you see today has been perverted and is NOT free market any longer .it is monopolistic .corrupt government(yours AND mine) has SCREWED it's people,betrayed us for twenty pieces of silver . just because you hear "free trade zone" from the talking heads doesn't mean the trade is truly free .

This U.S Government you speak of is indeed a monopoly i agree but it is a neo corporatist Monopoly. It seems in the case of the U.S and many other first world western a nations neo liberalism has simply morphed into neo corporatism, oh well so much for Free trade it looks like Hayek and Friedman gave us another form of Monopoly capitalism.
The proof of this is the extent to which the U.S government subsidises many of its own industries in international trade to the disadvantage of the competing nation.

i am trying to help you become ozzie ,instead of ozzie the cynic.

I have no wish to be anything but a cynic.
A cynic or skeptic if you prefer is an honourable state of mind you dont usually tend to get caught up in ISMs or Ego trips like other supermen tyrants in history!. :-)

billiard
01-14-2005, 12:12 AM
ozzie the cynic

you don't want to hear anything that threatens your preconceived notions about america and americans,as i can see by which of my comments you responded to and which you did not respond to. you apparently don't wish to consider any "facts" other than the ones you walked in here with . your economic/political theories are flawed and they will continue to be because you are closed-minded. i won't bother responding to your posts again as it is an exercise in futility . i could try to explain things further, but it has become obvious to me you don't want to see what i am saying-you want to keep your opinions intact.

Ozziecynic
01-14-2005, 08:55 PM
:-? :-o you don't want to hear anything that threatens your preconceived notions about america and americans,as i can see by which of my comments you responded to and which you did not respond to.

Good for me what makes you think i came here to listen to your gabber!
You are not even right about the anti americans part. I support Lyndon Larouche and his movement which is definately american!. I support and vote for its Australian Branch the cec Citizens Electoral council.So to say i am against all americans as in the average citizen is trash!.

But iam against proportion of Americans that are greedy and self centred and think the world and the rest of Humanity should evolve around them or should serve them as if they are some master race or culture.Usually these people advocate a market Liberal capitalist dogma or even more extreme market libertarianism e.g Ayn Rand or Rothbard!.

you apparently don't wish to consider any "facts" other than the ones you walked in here with . your economic/political theories are flawed and they will continue to be because you are closed-minded. i won't bother responding to your posts again as it is an exercise in futility . i could try to explain things further, but it has become obvious to me you don't want to see what i am saying-you want to keep your opinions intact.

Look at this crap you spout. Ha ha.Your reasoning is as follows I do not agree with your bogus opinions so therefore you come to the conclusion that i do not accept fact what a moron you are!Your facts as you call them are just your opinions not facts!.Perhaps you should learn the difference between facts and mere opinion!

My economic/political opinions are flawed are they well lets wait and see if america survives another year of economc growth with this kind of system.Through out the 90s and into this century your economy has been up and down like a yo yo, but for the most part it has been down and has given the average U.S citizen a wider gap in their living standards between themselves and their Oligarchy.

One the main reasons most of you are whinging and posting in here as many of you constantly inform me!.I would be surprised if the U.s where to survive another year without a stock market melt down due to its own debt levels.

As for wanting me to agree with you get stuffed!
I didnt come here to agree with you or anyone else i came to state my opinions like anyone else.
I certainly did not come here to be converted to your southern white trash British Isrealite view of the rest of the world. If i did would hop on flight to Atlanta,georgia and join the kkk :lol:

billiard
01-14-2005, 11:42 PM
blah blah blah blah ... as if your line of crap is not merely your opinion .what you say is fact,anyone thinking something else, it's an opinion . i'm a moron ,am i?? that's typical- resort to name calling when you can't handle the other guy's reasoning. well,two can play that game. you're an asshole -that's what cynics become who WANT to be cynics.take your anti-american crap and flush yourself with it. you don't understand half of what you know,obviously educated beyond your ability to comprehend . your opinion is meaningless. you don't know jack shit about america . your country is far beyond ours on the socialist road . go back to school and pay attention this time.

billiard
01-14-2005, 11:44 PM
you want to get nasty oz? bring it .

billiard
01-15-2005, 12:15 AM
apparently ,oz, you aren't here for the same reason as the rest of us.we are here to share opinion,insight and hopefully LEARN something useful in our quest to understand what's going on .i have learned a number of things already, but YOU will not learn anything because you are not here to learn,but to impress us with your vast knowledge .you already know all there is to know about this stuff so why don't you go start your own site ? people like you annoy me ,unable to answer a person's reasoning, you resort to name calling and personal attacks that simply demonstrate your ignorance and inability to articulate your position .

billiard
01-15-2005, 12:37 AM
ozzzzzzzzzzzzz

you said in one of your posts that plenty of technology was produced in USSR ,thereby disproving what i said about free market capitalism being responsible for most of your daily comforts and luxuries. what a load of crap . they produced no technology, but STOLE it or copied it from what WE did here in the good ole USA . once again your theories are flawed . just thought i'd point that out while i'm on a roll .

Ozziecynic
01-16-2005, 03:30 AM
:-D .k billard i was probly a bit harsh to start calling you insults so I apologise for that!
But really think this thread is over your head and frankly i dont wish to post in here any further because the quality of the responses has been poor generally.

Therefore as Thread Yours truly started i declare it CLOSED!!

Cheeerio! :-D

billiard
01-16-2005, 09:21 AM
actually the thread is not over my head-oh yeah,and the responses were generally poor,too. no,they just didn't agree with your opinions ...and you were unable to make your case and to intelligently(or respectfully) answer my responses. you were in it over your own head . go ahead and close it. i understand.

truebeliever
01-16-2005, 08:47 PM
You cant close it! I just got here! :-(

And to think, i passed over this thread 30 times on my way to comment about UFO's! :-o

A good old fashioned Oz/Yank stoush! Just like the good old WW2 days! :-x

It looked like an all in brawl was about to break out but the Ozster lowered his sword...of well. 8-)

Shame. It's not a bad thread and no "Get Thee Behind Me Satan" in sight.

Mind you it was 2 against 1...dont worry OC, i'm here now! :-)

The idea of the thread was a good one. There are lots of inconsistent posts myself included. But OC it aint Liberty Forum or Indy Media...it's..."Club Conspiricy".

In the end..what free market? What Socialism? What name do we want to give to the games of the same old Elite who've been running things for the last 5000 years?

True, some free market for the plebs but most certainly not for the real players. They'd drop instantly dead at the thought of competition! Competition!!!! get thee behind me Satan!!!!!

All business people seek to monopolise their cash cow. Some are better at it than others. Some lack the resources, some just ar'nt nasty enough.

I doubt their is a single legitimate business man who brings in big dollars. Not one! If you have a conscience then take up nursing.

I agree that there are too many labels. I hate them though you have to use them at times.

I am a Libertarian at heart. I prefer human being with common sense and heart or HBCSH for short.

I admire the principles laid down in the greatest set of modern writings to date. The U.S constitution and The Bill of Rights.

When the founding fathers (no they were not saints...jeeeez what do you want) laid it out a collective gasp was audible through Europe... "What! No Kings to rule ordained by God"!

That individuals were made in the image of God and had certain INALIENABLE rights given directly by God...wow! This had never been laid out like this before.

Can you imagine the Elite of Europe? Yikes!!! Better put a lid on that one! And they've been at it ever since.

The "Elite" or Plato's philosopher Kings are the only ones fit to rule. If you allow the peasants a say there will be chaos and they've been subverting popular movements ever since. Whats the old saying about the cynical Elites with regards the common people..."They who poke out the peoples eyes then complain they cannot see".

They are doing it now by subverting the middle class and destroying the social fabric of America with endless wars and threat of war through their scum lackey's like Bush and co. There is no NWO rift.

If the free market were to rain then the U.S would collapse overnight. They would rebuild and become a primary producer with all it's high tech and heavy industry gone...gone.. gone...even then the U.S only competes globally on primary production with huge tax payer subsidies and when you consider the same conglomerates pay no tax you begin to see where the revoloution should begin.

Japan would take over high tech industrial development. China manufacturing etc...etc...

The Pentagon budget is pivotal to U.S dominence. Not only does it provide the brute muscle for the world Mafioso but is a complete tax payer funded wrought for the high tech industry.

There would be NO Silicon Valley with out the Red threat.

Just how pervasive is the Pentagon budget? A friend based in the U.S is a Vetinarian, researcher. They got $700,000 funding for some whacky experiemnts for the Pentagon on using dogs for various tasks.

Not much use for the Pentagon but very useful for pharmaceutical companies and those linked to veterinary sciences. Who knows what it's actually for.

A great way to stimulate your economy.

The only "ism" that goes some way to describing the economic system is "Centralized Command & Control Economy"...State run. The corporate's own the State...some call it...FASCISM. One step further is who owns and finances the corporates?

Some call it Dictatorship. Some, "Manufactured Consent" of the Elite over the peasantry.

Others "Fuedalism". Perhaps more honest.

I just call it the rich and powerful lauding it over the mass like they always have.

They do it because we let them.

I am NO Socialist but class warfare works for me. If some one owns the means of production they weild great power. The peasants want a say in who controls and benefits from the means of production and that is why we have 9-11 and the NWO and all the chaos we see at the moment.

The owners of the planet plan on staying the owners and to that end they will have to cull the population of the planet and introduce a draconian police state to end ALL dissent once and for all.

Some will like the brain chips and the compulsary Prozac.

The NWO and alot of peasants who want to stay innocent children, are up against Mother Nature and God.

Gods plan is to populate the Universe with thinking compassionate beings made in his/her own image.

An 'Elite' who have always been, want to maintain the status quo and plan to use a system based on the numbers 6-6-6 to do it.

I plan to fight them out of sheer arrogance that a nancy boy, uni grad, homo, paedophile, coke snorting fool is going to dictate the terms of my God given right to exist in this space time continuum.

If it's unto death so be it. They should know many every day people will fight even unto death. These are ultimate values and are not for sale.

Genuine and Sincere best to all.

Brendon O'Connell. My real name. They have our I.P's anyway.

Fuck em.

freeman
01-16-2005, 09:20 PM
Well said, Brendon. It's good to know I go shoulder to shoulder with people like you in this struggle.

truebeliever
01-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Yo OC...spewing I missed it!

I saw that thread a dozen times!

I dont think there was actually much difference in what you and the others were saying.

We see things very differently from the U.S. We may speak the same language but we are very different people and at the same time alike in many ways.

The problem is that true socialism/anarchism has never been practised. Always these movements are subverted.

I actually dont want any "ism".

In the end the world is being brought to the brink by a combo of both socialism for the rich and ultra free trade capitalism for the poor.

I like the idea in some ways of ultra free trade capitalism but with rules. If it's going to enrich a few at the expense of the many than it's not on. I mean selling your son and daughter off as child prostitutes would certainly make sense when trying to make ends meet but do we do it? Do we need a rule or an "ism" to tell us that it's wrong?

OC I understand your disapointment with Howard getting in but would you want Latham in? Can a man with such a firm handshake be trusted?

I mean he got in anyway as Howard stole all his public policy from our Lefty dreamer idealist with the firm handshake in the end.

And besides, would you want all those boat people getting in? They may have started a "throw your children overboard" craze...oh thats right it did'nt happen but never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn eh Johnny?

I would vote Latham and Labor for one reason only. Any politition who publicly calls the government of the day..."a conga line of arse lickers" gets my vote immediately. :-D :-D :-D :-D

truebeliever
01-16-2005, 10:32 PM
Freeman, i hate to sound grandiose when speaking of life and death but they should know that ordinary people will ultimately put their lives on the line if push comes to shove.

Life is good here in Oz still.

We can still have our say.

Our state apparatus has not been as subverted as in the U.S.

Time will tell.

Ultimately the U.S and it's Constitution is all that stands in the way of the NWO.

How ironic and indeed typical that as part of this, working class Americans are fighting for a wealthy Elite against wroking class Iraqi's.

It shows the good nature of the American people that Bush and Co must lie through their teeth to get the American public to fight.

Now that the lie is exposed the American fighting man/woman is refusing to fight. The first real cracks are appearing.

Before we bag the Yanks over Iraq (i dont mean you OC) we must remember the average American is like most of us...decent, and finds it hard that a human being can lie with such a straight face...Bush Rumsfeld, Cheyney et al...

I hope one day ordinary people all over the world pin point exactly who the enemy is.

It aint China, or Russia, or North Korea or England or Europe or Spicks or Spades or fat people but the ELITE.

The ELITE, the Philosopher Kings of Plato born to rule. The Political, Business and Intellectual Elite. They cross all borders and all bounderies of race, religion age and sex.

Their Minions are everywhere. Be they Masons, Illuminati, Uni Professors, the tax exempt foundations, Feminists, Police Cheifs, Social commentators, News Paper editors, Media Magnates, Think Tanks...they all share the same philosophical foundation...that common people are a nusience and "Benevolent Fascism" is the way, backed by a global police state to enforce the rules and laws of the elite run and administered, New World Order, whose moral foundation will be "Secular Humanism" aka: common sense thought up by man and subject to mortal mans whims.

The "Benevolent Dictatorship" will only stay benevolent as long as the population is docile.

When Prozac, Lies and the manufacture of consent is no longer possible out will come the Gulags.

Then it's on for young and old.

Without fear or hesitation, if it comes to it, i will fight and die rather than submit.

I will submit only to God. No mere mortal deserves our submission.

That goes for the State that stopped serving us long ago, if it ever did.

I still hold out hope it will not come to that.

Best.

billiard
01-17-2005, 12:50 AM
TB

you see things the way i do. it's not socialism but fascism .or at least more like that than anything else .

so far,there are so many in the USA who are kind of naive.and that's not necessarily a bad thing. we want to believe in the inherent goodness of others . we are honest .we expect others to be honest. it's a rude awakening to one day realize most of what you know is bullshit. it's "the matrix" and we are the little batteries.

most of the people i know still think it's the republicans vs democrats or the conservatives vs liberals when those distractions obscure the fact that it's us vs them . so far ,the schemes these elitists are using are for the most part working .probably not until the shit hits the fan will the american people wake up.

america is in a state of slumber
(or a stupor). many believe that mr bush is an ok guy and he is doing the best thing for the country .others(mostly liberal democrats) say he is wrong to be in iraq .

i am somewhat dubious about the terrorist thing. on the one hand ,i know the arab peoples are sponsors and perpetrators of terrorism. on the other hand ,i don't know about the world trade center/pentagon official story line. i know there is NOT a conspiracy under EVERY rock but what about this? if the 9/11 thing was terrorists,and the jury's still out on that, then we probably have to clean up in the middle east ,so iraq was a problem,as are syria,iran,libya and perhaps saudi arabia .but then it could be a total scam .was the government complicit(or worse,responsible) in the 9/11 attack? that is so horrible,so mind-numbing, it's too terrible to consider. was it a necessity in the march to a "better world"?

i am still trying to sift through the information(what's legitimate,what is nonsense?) i pick up on the web. it's hard to imagine this level of evil,isn't it ?

probably it will come down to armed resistance. there are too many independent-spirited people in the USA and australia,canada .i just wanted to have some grandchildren ,retire in florida and play golf . well shit.

truebeliever
01-17-2005, 03:31 AM
Billiard.

9-11 was a covert op run by the owners of the planet.

Keep reading. There are well referenced volumes explaining it all.

I'm no huge fan of Ruppert and I dont like the Peak Oil agenda he pushes but his book sums it up with plenty of references..."Crossing The Rubicon"

As a thought, just before you go to sleep, consider this...do you really think the most sophisticated, state of the art air defence system in the world was fast asleep? Do you really think a bunch of cave dwelling malcontents pulled this off from a mystical cave in Tora Bora? Do you really think theres a communications device in existence the NSA cannot break?

I could go on for hours...

9-11 has had many affects. Many different levels and many different cliques have benefitted from the various manifestations of this event.

All in all...it's all about keeping you under wraps and distracted.

One day you are gunna wake up and go..."how come I slave for $12.50 an hour and the millionaire I work for does'nt even pay any tax!

Remember those Anti-Globalization protests in Seattle?

You're the enemy. NOT China or anyone else.

They must lock us down NOW.

Do not buy the "Asian Block" is coming crap. Total unequivical crap.

They all love each other very, very much.

redrat11
09-13-2006, 08:49 PM
Ozziecynic wrote:
:-? :-? This forum calls itself the NWO yet many posters seem confused and differ in their understanding of just what the NWO is exactly and the method being used at the present time in history to bring us the allegedly conspired One World State!.

So I would like to simply ask all of you to reply to this post by explaining what you think the NWO is to you and what ideological and hence economic method you believe is being used at the present time to bring us the One World State.Do you think it is domination of Socialism or Ultra Free Trade capitalism.


Some here seem to be happy with the status quo but others here feel threatened by some imaginary socialist plot.

With these different and contradictory positions anyone like myself coming to this site comes away very confused indeed.Especially since I came here thinking I knew what NWO was all about but after several weeks of posting here it is not so clear I do.
I thought NWO was simply another label for Globalistion which i understand to be an ultra capitalist U.S cultural domination not some kind of Socialist state as some deluded posters here seem to be claiming.


I would like definative straight answer if possible because i am begining to feel iam wasting my time posting on this forum so many people are simply not onboard in agreement over anything. I am also coping abuse for posing straight forward questions which i feel i dont deserve.
:-?
It's not as complicated as you put it.


Just look around you, what do you see? If you live in the U.S. like me, you see massive Construction and building going on and on, it seems for at least 20 solid years now, at least where I live (Arizona,) This means that Capitalism is at work, however, Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, are also at work. these 2 forces are not neccessarily in agreement with one another, Liberals seek big Goverment spending, Conservatives seek small limited government, ALMOST all the time SOCIALISM prevails because the Jewish Oligarchy (bankers) want it that way, you can't have a Independent massive body of Capitalist who can become Independent of the OLIGARCHS, thus, they infiltrate the Goverment and Corporate body with trained Communist minded agents to Squash any and all attempts for real independence. (keep in mind I'm trying to keep Conspiracie theories aside.) So as I see it there exist 2 worlds, one where Capitalism is allowed to somewhat flourish (although strictly monitored) and the other Socialsim/Communism where the State and Federal Goverment seek to Rob from the Working Peasantry to keep the non-working population from rioting, 100 years ago in America Socialism/Communism did'nt exist, thus there was more freedom and Independence, The 1913 Jewish Federal Reserve Act changed all that, and as they say THE REST IS HISTORY! :-?

truebeliever
09-13-2006, 09:29 PM
It's not as complicated as you put it.

Perhaps you're right.

In the end it AINT fascism. If it was the trains would run on time and the U.S would be thriving just as Germany did in the 30's.

The neo-cons are neo-bolsheviks.

Their job is to collapse the U.S economy and foment violent revoloution to bring on the totalitarian apparatus.

Ozziecynic
09-21-2006, 07:36 PM
It's not as complicated as you put it.
Oh hello tripper. This is an old thread i have no idea why you decided to revive it!.
However i disagree with your simple explanation of NWO as it is tarnished with your own rightwing leanings!.

these 2 forces are not neccessarily in agreement with one another,
They are most defininately in agreement not just here in Australia but also globally i believe we have neo corporatism on a global scale. info about all varities corporatism is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism and just for Nth american posters this link:http://www.counterpunch.org/sullivan02202004.html
it is fascist ideology definiately not leftwing anyone thats thinks its otherwise is a petty rightwinger with rocks in their head.

Liberals seek big Goverment spending
You speak only for the US liberals.Liberals is just a term. In Australia Liberals are the neo conservatives.They are very much for small gov, and free markets. The term conservative is almost an oxymoron anyway since the definition has moved over the years.A conservative today is far different to conservative 60 years ago or even 20 years ago at the end the day it means squat except for preserving whatever status quo presently exists.

and the other Socialsim/Communism where the State and Federal Goverment seek to Rob from the Working Peasantry to keep the non-working population from rioting,
In australia there is no strict dividing line between those working and those not working as both can become either, many working people receive welfare to on top of their working income and many people on welfare work.
So there is no strick us vs them class divide, this is true both for wages slaves and the self empolyed alike at one time or another. This is really not surprising it is afterall the post modern world not 1917 Russia.

100 years ago in America Socialism/Communism did'nt exist, thus there was more freedom and Independence, The 1913 Jewish Federal Reserve Act changed all that, and as they say THE REST IS HISTORY! :-?
So are you trying to tell me the jews(i pefer term illuminati like makow) are not running the US right now! Youd have to be joking!.The talmud inspired illuminati are all about free trade and banking the pro capitalist environment at the present time is gold for them not some pseudo socialist regulatory system like most of the world had under the fabians with the Bretton Woods agreement.

TB:
In the end it AINT fascism. If it was the trains would run on time and the U.S would be thriving just as Germany did in the 30's.
The neo-cons are neo-bolsheviks.
:roll: Another so called educated statement from the self appointed professor of cc & old sparing partner from the West!:-? What will he come up with next.So what did you say your chief form of income was at the moment TB.

redrat11
09-21-2006, 08:03 PM
Oh hello tripper. This is an old thread i have no idea why you decided to revive it!.



They are most defininately in agreement not just here in Australia but also globally i believe we have neo corporatism on a global scale. info about all varities corporatism is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism and just for Nth american posters this link:http://www.counterpunch.org/sullivan02202004.html
it is fascist ideology definiately not leftwing anyone thats thinks its otherwise is a petty rightwinger with rocks in their head.






100 years ago in America Socialism/Communism did'nt exist, thus there was more freedom and Independence, The 1913 Jewish Federal Reserve Act changed all that, and as they say THE REST IS HISTORY! :-?
So are you trying to tell me the jews(i pefer term illuminati like makow) are not running the US right now!

I Was Bored....

Thx OzzieCynic for the reply, Of course Jewry runs and control things here in America, that's why I mentioned the (Jewish Federal Reserve)as far as the term Conservative, your right it's not been used in honesty since the JEWS despise this type of IDEOLOGY, again, CONSERVATISM has never been given a honest chance to thrive in modern societies.

WHY? because the OLIGARCHY sees that form of goverment as being less controlled, and as such a (threat) to their power, and with conservatism comes more PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, I fail to see how you think that's RIGHT WING RHETORIC. I'm not saying Conservatism is humanities answer to all problems, but look at the FACTS, LIBERALISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, has been a udder disaster for the human race. IMO :lol:

Ozziecynic
09-23-2006, 12:45 AM
I Was Bored....
8-) O.k fair enough. I dont think it does the small scale paleocon any favours to defend or support the status quo at the present time with pretty cries for plastic neocon patriotism or nationalism which is what many seem to do.They become sullen and reactionary against the peasants as you call them and blame them for all the ills, everything from taxs for welfare to sacking employees in some workplaces for simply looking at supervisor the wrong way.
Such attitudes show defininate lack of education & empathy only play into the hands of the yeoshuas of this world and only strenghthen the courrupt and the powerfull pigs in parlours syndrome

The post modern Capitalist world in its present multicult form isnt worth defending in my view and should left rot or die a slow death!.I dont expect you necessarily with me however as i realise you are atleast middle class and i am somewhat lower on the social scale so guess its upto you whether you decide to take in my views. 8-)

truebeliever
10-07-2006, 11:05 PM
I'm not saying Conservatism is humanities answer to all problems, but look at the FACTS, LIBERALISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, has been a udder disaster for the human race. IMO

ALL can be blamed on the "Christian Churches" and the underminers of said whores to worldly power.

First, they sold out to power under the Roman Catholic Church. Like "Gollum" in the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy, they holed up in their golden palaces stroking their fine clothes and young boys muttering..."it's mine, all mine". Meanwhile, simple peasants starved and lived in filth looking forward to the after life and paradise but cursing the double scam of being sent to pergatory if they self inflicted a express ticket to said after life. And they say Catholicism is'nt an invention of Talmudic type Rabbi's who were the first lawyers and contract writers?

All through history the so called "conservative establishment" has failed in it's duties to attend to the needs of the common men and women and assist them in Gods wish for the full realization of the Human Beings potential.

So...in step the rat bags and malcontents to fill the void.

Throne and alter failed to do what God expected of them...create a world of justice, riotousness and love.

When the Churches drop "secularism" and get OUT IN THE STREETS, we will see young teenagers returning to the pulpit and away from the socialist youth groups. We will see Religion take on more than the limited and binding role of some sort of narcisitic personal salvation and instead spread it's message like a vine on a wooden stake bringing life and love in the here and now...now!

Then the Churches can drop the fake fear of the "New Age" movement. A "movement" that has taken off because the dumb ass theologians in mainstream Christianity missed several of Christs words that a 3 year old can work out..."Yae are Gods!" and "The Kingdom of God is within you". With that in mind the dumb ass theologians can allow the tools of Astrology and Dream Work to be intigrated into Chruch teachings to give tools to the congregation to fully comprehend Christs words..."Yae are Gods!"

Then the infantile movements of Freemasonry, Illuminism and Khabbala with their "hidden/occult" teachings and laughable 'blood oath'/'trousers up' oaths of allegiance can be replaced by Ministers, MINSITERING, like Christ IN THE OPEN IN THE CHURCHES so that the common man can realise eternal life and KNOW that he and she will never die and in fact has been...and ALWAYS will be. At base, they will KNOW God and KNOW God's love and the Churches will have found at last their TRUE role...the saving of souls and the discovery of truth right their deep inside every individual.

Thank you Yeoshua. What a man! What a God!

Ozziecynic
10-11-2006, 05:43 AM
When the Churches drop "secularism" and get OUT IN THE STREETS, we will see young teenagers returning to the pulpit and away from the socialist youth groups. We will see Religion take on more than the limited and binding role of some sort of narcisitic personal salvation and instead spread it's message like a vine on a wooden stake bringing life and love in the here and now...now!
Many churches already do this Tb!.
Religion is subservient to secular government not the other way round in democracy. Only some kind of theocratic state could bring what you wish for.I personally dont see that as being the way to go either!.

The fact is conservatism is dead and buried and only has a place in the post modern world with the Freemasons.Take hard look in any rightwing political party or Liberal or Extreme if you must, join them if you must, and youll find plenty of them I certainly did!.:-?

redrat11
11-07-2006, 06:07 PM
Economic Rationalism=Slavery

The NWO and the "FREE MARKET" it promotes will be the doom of Western Civilization. I found this article which mirrors my views on the Economy, and how it's supposed to function. Tariffs on Cheap Chinese goods is the only way to get even with the NWO. (of course, at this point in history, its almost too late to turn back time.)

Tariffs

Link: Economic Slavery (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=95230)

Winning the Game for America
To return balance to the international game of business, America should follow the lead of the Chinese and the Indians. We can use tariffs to balance trade relationships.

From the founding of this country, our operational principle was: If there's a dollar's worth of labor in a pair of shoes made here, and you can make the same shoes in some other "cheap labor" country with 10 cents' worth of labor, there will be a 90-cent import tax (tariff) when you bring them into the country, to protect our domestic industries and our manufacturing jobs. Tariffs level the field for both American business and American labor. Without tariffs the only winners are the East India Company's modern incarnations-- the multinational corporations (which is why the multinationals push so hard for the WTO and other such institutions, treaties, and trade agreements).

This is not a new idea, by the way-- it's how America has protected its economy from the founding of this nation right up until Clinton signed NAFTA and GATT. The first law imposing tariffs was in place before the Constitution was ratified in 1789. Tariffs represented 100 percent of federal government revenues from the founding of this nation until around the time of the Civil War and about a third of our total federal revenues up to World War I. They were still a major source of revenue right into the 1980s, when Reagan first took a whack at them.




http://www.abc.net.au/money/currency/features/feat11.htm