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Draken
04-08-2005, 10:34 AM
April 04, 2005

I am an American soldier here and don't want to be. Yesterday we got hit by Iraqis and twenty four of us died and forty seven injured. My government has been hiding the true number of our casualties since the beginning. We American soldiers know that there are thirteen thousand of us that have died and forty nine thousand injured and thirty three thousand of the injured were bad enough to be forced out of the military and crippled for the rest of their lives. If only I could get my hands on Bush or Rumsfeld.

Steve from Abu Ghraib
Compliments of CECSJ

c. <a href="http://www.jihadunspun.com/home.php">Jihad Unspun</a> 2005

Saturnino
04-08-2005, 01:48 PM
Poor guy...however I wonder if this email is true or not.

Draken
04-08-2005, 02:38 PM
Question is: how many American soldiers are ACTUALLY dying every day and what is the TRUE number of casualties?

nohope187
04-08-2005, 06:49 PM
One thing's for sure, the government's doing a damned good job covering it up while the recruiters are busy propagandizing to poor highschool kids making the fucking military look like club med. At least, that's how I got sold. :-P

truebeliever
04-09-2005, 07:34 AM
Drak, Jihad unspun is bullshit and probably run by an intelligence service out of Kanada...thats right! Kanada...those bloody Kanadians!

:-D

13,000 dead is a 10% death rate...unheard of...ever.

D-Day casualty rates were around 3% including wounded (I may be off a little, to lazy to look it up).

Honestly, dont go to that site. It's terrible.

I actually would'nt be surprised if the dead and wounded figures are correct or at least only slightly lessened.

Whatever, it's way to much...including Iraqi's.

Maybe we should consider a more insidious side effect? Thousands of men and women, unsettled by sites that should'nt be seen, fighting for a complete lie and bound to be forgotton when they get home.

Combined with the MTV generation and a good supply of SSRI's and guns...best of luck my American friends. Sincerely.

How did you feel Nohope knowing you were fed bullshit?

Best Drak.

Draken
04-09-2005, 08:09 AM
true, I know Jihad Unspun is a highly dubious website. But the "question is: how many American soldiers are ACTUALLY dying every day and what is the TRUE number of casualties?" like I said previously to clarify why I posted the "email".

Even if it's a propaganda site run out of Canada by neocons; how do we know it's not the truth? Do we actually know the number of casualties? If not then this could be true. The suspicion of Jihad Unspun being an outlet of American propaganda might make us question allegations we have no chance to verify via more reliable sources because ther aren't any.

Actually, unless any of us has been in Iraq as an intelligence officer or any other position where they were privy to reliable sources of information and can verify the number of casualties (I certainly have not been in Iraq) the only thing we can do is speculate, which is actually what I'm doing, posting this alleged email.

truebeliever
04-09-2005, 09:09 AM
No, the figures are about right for war or insurgency.

A 10% death rate is unheard of in any war. Perhaps only the mown down piles of Russian dead come close.

I bet the figures are reasonable. I did'nt say accurate. No way would it be their (JUS) figure.

There are an awful lot of private contractors out there (mercenaries)...they could include high figures.

Around 1500 dead for 150,000 troops is 1%. About right. Especially given the top class medical facilities.

3% dead in the height of battles in the East was average and they did not have the medical technology...German.

It's one thing i disagree on with the anti-war movement.

To hide a big figure would be difficult. If anyone on the left or right with a few sheckles wanted to check, i bet they could.

I have to disagree...though, if it did turn out high...5000 or so then i would'nt be surprised. But 15,000....never.

Just my opinion.

BTW...15,000 is approx 20 dead a day, every day.

Saturnino
04-09-2005, 12:43 PM
However, if the depleted uranium story is true, then 15,000 dead will be a very low figure.

nohope187
04-09-2005, 04:58 PM
How did you feel Nohope knowing you were fed bullshit?

It burned me up, man. They promised me that I would be sent to all these fancy shmancy tech schools and that I would be able to get a kick ass job with lots of pay and benefits after my time in service. Then reality hit me when they made me a janitor for my whole military carreer. They fucking lied! So, when ever I was ordered to do something, you better fuckin' believe I found a way to do it as half assed as possible. When I got out, the so called kick ass job with lots of pay and benefits was me working as a dietary aide/dishwasher at a Catholic/State sponsered nursing home. All things government and military leaves a bad taste in my mouth. :-P

Draken
04-09-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm sorry to hear that, nohope. For real. Deapest sympathies.

nohope187
04-09-2005, 05:07 PM
I had to learn the truth one way or another. What better way than that?

Draken
04-09-2005, 05:19 PM
Exactly.
But suffering is nothing I recommend to people I care about. If it's the only way to learn though, then so be it.

nohope187
04-09-2005, 05:26 PM
If life were easy and I had achieved all I had ever wanted to achieve, I wonder if I would have come to the same realization going through the shit I've been through. I seriously doubt it. I would probably be just as deluded as those in hollywood. Only through seeing the corruption with my own eyes and being coerced against my will to do theirs did I learn. I got out in April 2001. When 9/11 happened, unlike all the other sheeple who lapped up that Bin Laden bullshit, I had a feeling the government was behind it. After seeing shit like the Patriot Act and the creation of the Dept. Homeland Security, I knew it was only the beginning of worse things to come. In my English Composition I class in school, my teacher asked the question regarding an article in the textbook, "Should we give up some of our freedom for security?" and I was the only one in class who was willing to fight for my freedom. The die has been cast and the rubicon has been crossed. There's no turning back for Amerika. The NWO is already here and all they need is the right major crisis to formerly anounce their existence. Oh shit, I'm ranting again, pardon me:-P

Draken
04-10-2005, 04:13 AM
Nothing to pardon, you're not ranting. :-)

nohope187
04-10-2005, 01:17 PM
I've been watching clips from Alex Jones' Marshal Law film. If my last post on this thread sounded like an ad, that's why. :-P

Draken
04-21-2005, 01:51 AM
Hey, true, I suppose Jihad Unspun WAS wrong - they were 2000 off the mark...

<a href="http://www.sfbayview.com/012605/headsroll012605.shtml">Heads roll at Veterans Administration</a>

Mushrooming depleted uranium (DU) scandal blamed

by Bob Nichols

Project Censored Award Winner
Considering the tons of depleted uranium used by the U.S., the Iraq war can truly be called a nuclear war.

Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter charged Monday that the reason Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi stepped down earlier this month was the growing scandal surrounding the use of uranium munitions in the Iraq War.

Writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter No. 169, Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, stated, “The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given, however a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of the ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the US Military.”

Bernklau continued, “This malady (from uranium munitions), that thousands of our military have suffered and died from, has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. The terrible truth is now being revealed.”

He added, “Out of the 580,400 soldiers who served in GW1 (the first Gulf War), of them, 11,000 are now dead! By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on Permanent Medical Disability. This astounding number of ‘Disabled Vets’ means that a decade later, 56% of those soldiers who served have some form of permanent medical problems!” The disability rate for the wars of the last century was 5 percent; it was higher, 10 percent, in Viet Nam.

“The VA Secretary (Principi) was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,” wrote Bernklau. “He, and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret’s report, (it) ... is far too big to hide or to cover up!”

“Terry Jamison, Public Affairs Specialist, Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Department of Veterans Affairs, at the VA Central Office, recently reported that ‘Gulf Era Veterans’ now on medical disability, since 1991, number 518,739 Veterans,” said Berklau.

“The long-term effects have revealed that DU (uranium oxide) is a virtual death sentence,” stated Berklau. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers (from the 2003 Iraq War) as ‘spectacular … and a matter of concern!’”

When asked if the main purpose of using DU was for “destroying things and killing people,” Fulk was more specific: “I would say it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people!”

Principi could not be reached for comment prior to deadline.

References

1. Depleted uranium: “Dirty bombs, dirty missiles, dirty bullets: A death sentence here and abroad” by Leuren Moret, http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml.

2. Veterans for Constitutional Law, 112 Jefferson Ave., Port Jefferson NY 11777, Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director, (516) 474-4261, fax 516-474-1968.

3. Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter. Email Gary Kohls, gkohls@cpinternet.com, with “Subscribe” in the subject line.

get_real
04-21-2005, 06:31 AM
Draken wrote:
Question is: how many American soldiers are ACTUALLY dying every day and what is the TRUE number of casualties?

Don't know if this is indeed true to fact, but for those that are not familiar with this site:

http://icasualties.org/oif/

also, for other news-flash articles:
http://www.buzzflash.com/BushLied/default.htm

truebeliever
04-23-2005, 06:03 AM
Ha, ha...

Direct combat only.

Depleted Uranium is part of the intimidation plan..."not only will we kill you by conventional means...we will poisen your land for the next 200,000 years"...taken directly from that other decent Imperial power Rome who used salt instead.

David
04-23-2005, 01:37 PM
I believe the numbers of dead to be much higher than is being reported. Most reports of attacks are in the capital city, not too much from around the country. The media doesn't know what's going on other than what they can gather from their hotel rooms or what the military tells them. I found a website that has the 'resistance' reports on it, updated every few days. The numbers these people report seem really large and I feel it is inflated as counter propaganda. Maybe the true toll is somewhere in between the official numbers and what that site has. There are also thousands of mercenaries there to consider.

This is a link to the site...

http://www.albasrah.net/moqawama/english/iraqi_resistance.htm

There are some videos and photos on there of attacks too.

I don't support either side, only interested in the truth.

truebeliever
04-23-2005, 08:04 PM
Remember...just because American journalists are to scared to leave the hotel room in the green zone does'nt mean other's ar'nt (actually i dont blame them).

Iraq is roughly 1/3 Kurd to the North and peaceful except for car bombs probably set off by Sunni's from the South...Israel is in their hand over foot buying up property and generally rubbing there hands with glee...oooooo so close to the Euphrates boys! Almost there, just a few million more Arabs to get rid of.

The Shit'es to the South are also peaceful except for the occasional car bomb probably set off by Sunni's from the North.

The ENTIRE country is NOT one big conflageration but isoloated mainly to the central Sunni areas of the country.

The Sunni's have alot to lose. The Shit'es a fair bit to gain and the Kurds are just plain over the moon with ecstatic joy.

The casualty reports by any measure are reasonable. I dont doubt their is some form of suppression of numbers. How much...? Simply look over the figures from insurgencies in the past.

It would not take much to get an accurate figure by contacting families. A little money? I hear John Kerry has a few left over shekles from the campaign and the Left could do it...so come on Left! Put up or shut up...get out and get the real numbers!

Think about it...it would be hard to keep the figures suppressed and certainly easy for some one with the cash to do some investigating of their own...i hear they have a free media in the U.S? Maybe they could help? :-P

As for the Arab sites? The vast majority are run by Western intelligence agencies.

Sometimes it pays to read one of those things called b-o-o-k-s. Read the history of casualty numbers. 15,000 is the low end of Russian wave attack territory ala Eastern Front. Not a snow balls chance.

We might not want to replace the bullshit of the Western media with bullshit from the Arab media which in the end is probably Western in origen.

In the end Bush needs the insurgency. Without it? Well, i guess the parade through the "canyon of hero's" can begin.

If the Sunni's are smart they'll back off. Shake hands and grit their teeth.

Accept the fact that the West will not be going away so make friends and smile. Take a leaf out of Ghandi's book and with in a few years U.S forces will have to leave...public pressure gaurantee's it.

Although...there may be a country in the region who would prefer another scenario. This country is financing many groups as they finance there own enemies at home.

nohope187
04-23-2005, 08:09 PM
Hey True, you said Shits, not Shiites! haha! :-P

truebeliever
04-24-2005, 01:21 AM
An accident I assure.

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 03:00 AM
I still say the official figure is not that far off but I'm sure we'll know the true number eventually.

----------------------------------------------------
Coverup of the Number of US Soldiers Killed in Iraq

by Jesus Davila

July 12, 2005
El Diario (Puerto Rico) and the Coastal Post

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Official US. government reports on soldiers under US command killed in Iraq are so fragmented that they account for less than half of the total number, according to information uncovered as part of an inquiry by the Government of Puerto Rico regarding the total number of Puerto Rican war casualties.

This analysis was confirmed by El Diario/La Prensa's review of multiple documents, including official reports issued by the US Department of Defense, the Iraqi Ministry of the Interior and more than 230 battlefront reports, which reveal that more than 4,076 troops under US command have been killed in 799 days of battle.

This information contrasts markedly with the limited information on casualties generally issued by US military authorities, which focus only on US uniformed troops. These total 1,649.

Military affairs expert Jose Rodriguez Beruff from the University of Puerto Rico said that the figures showing more than 4,000 dead indicate that, far from winning the war in Iraq, "what is happening is that the troops are being worn down." He said that traditional theorists calculate that for an armed invading force to win a guerrilla war, its casualties should be one to ten of its enemy's. In this case, that would require 40,000 casualties among the insurgents.

In addition, Rodriguez Reduff warned that the reports should be reviewed on an ongoing basis, as he suspects that the number of casualties is even higher.

Calculations are even more difficult when it comes to the wounded, which US authorities number at more than 12,600, and medical discharges -- those maimed or suffering from physical and mental injuries -- about whom only partial reports can be obtained. In this category, large discrepancies in counts have been publicized by news outlets such as the national German Press Agency (DPA), which ran a story reporting on US Army documents putting the number of US soldiers with war-related mental ailments at 100,000.

That issue is more controversial. The Argentine press agency Argenpress reported about 17,000 unreported cases of war-related mental illness. But no matter the scenario, the numbers of wounded and medical discharges are larger than those officially announced, as is the case with casualties.

The figures came to light in the course of an ongoing investigation that El Diario/La Prensa is making on the number of Puerto Rican and Hispanic casualties in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That inquiry prompted Congressman Jose Serrano (D-NY) and An’bal Acevedo Vila, then Resident Commissioner of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, to request a full casualty report, which yielded a partial list with 200 Puerto Rican losses, including casualties, wounded and medical discharges.

After his election as Governor, Acevedo Vila renewed his request to the Department of Defense for a total and specific accounting, but as of press time he had yet to receive an answer.

According to documents reviewed by this paper, in addition to the 1,649 fatalities among US uniformed troops, there were 88 from Great Britain, 92 from other coalition member countries, 238 reported by private contractors, and at least 2,000 from members of the Iraqi Army. The biggest defect in published counts is the missing casualties among Iraqi troops under command of the occupying forces.

Translated from Spanish by Carolina Gonzalez

See official figures of US casualties at http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

07-14-2005, 08:13 AM
!!

07-14-2005, 08:15 AM
I know a MARINE still in the States. He has told me that the numbers are not accurate.

What?

Did you think they would tell us the truth????

THEY ARE LIARS!!!!!!!!

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 08:28 AM
Depends what you mean by accurate.

%10 off.

20% off.

200% more?

Roughly 150,000 are in Iraq.

5000 dead and 15,000 injured (what i've heard) would be a casualty rate of %13 which is EXTREMELY high for a "mere" insurgency.

In contrast, the German army suffered 500,000 casualties from a 3 million man army in the first year of Operation Barbarossa...the Invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. Thats a %16 casualty rate.

This was a war of continuous mobile operations. A VERY brutal and non-stop affair.

The invasion of the beaches of Normandy were expected to produce a casualty rate of %10+...they ended up at the 3-5% rate.

Can you see what I mean?

The numbers actually look reasonable to me at around 13,000 injured and 1600 dead over a period of 3 years. Thats a casualty rate of around %10 unadjusted for the time in theater. More like 3-5% over all. That is what you would expect for an intense counter insurgency.

I have no privelidged knowledge. I think the anti-war movement is barking up a possible non-existent tree here.

Sorry. My numbers are not EXACTLY adding up but you will get the picture. I expect the number of dead to be the figure people are looking for and it would be better to focuss only on those figures but I dont have them for Normandy or Barbarossa.

5000 dead is an awful lot. I dont believe it.

07-14-2005, 08:54 AM
I've got this link on my site, don't know if it's already been mentioned, 9000 dead? http://kcindymedia.org/newswire/display/2774/index.php

07-14-2005, 08:55 AM
I'm not talking percentages here, TB.

I'm talking about almost 2,000 dead reported. Now, if the number is 2,000 more than that, I don't give a CRAP what the percentage is for the war and if it is justifiable or not due to the insurgency, etc.

It's not justifiable for them to lie to us about the number of those killed in combat, wounded in combat.

That is the problem I have with it. It's not about percentages, as far as I'm concerned.

"The numbers actually look reasonable to me at around 13,000 injured and 1600 dead over a period of 3 years. Thats a casualty rate of around %10 unadjusted for the time in theater. More like 3-5% over all. That is what you would expect for an intense counter insurgency."

The numbers look reasonable!!!!

Okay, you're thinking in terms of the kind of battle that is being fought.

I'm think in terms of none of the numbers being reasonable because BUSH invaded a country based on lies!!!

07-14-2005, 08:56 AM
I'm going to ask my SOURCE in the Marines why he is certain the numbers reported are inaccurate.

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 09:05 AM
When I was 19 I was as dumb and ignorent as any.

I am now 34.

There was No internet when I was a lad. NO anti-war movement and NO Michael Moore making millions with extremely popular "reasonable" attempts at exposing a prat called Bush.

You join the army to be a hitman for capital...you're a fucking idiot.

The MArines are a death cult. Do you understand? Get your son out if you are serious about the truth.

There is NO honour in the armed forces...NONE, ZIP, NADDA and I have no time for whiny brats who dont have the courage to refuse to serve in a murderous war for capital and control.

A country is best served by pointing out it's faults.

The ability to shut your mouth and do as you're told is not honourable. Only weak minded fools join the armed forces in this day and age of open deciet.

07-14-2005, 09:25 AM
truebeliever wrote:
When I was 19 I was as dumb and ignorent as any.

I am now 34.

There was No internet when I was a lad. NO anti-war movement and NO Michael Moore making millions with extremely popular "reasonable" attempts at exposing a prat called Bush.

You join the army to be a hitman for capital...you're a fucking idiot.

The MArines are a death cult. Do you understand? Get your son out if you are serious about the truth.

There is NO honour in the armed forces...NONE, ZIP, NADDA and I have no time for whiny brats who dont have the courage to refuse to serve in a murderous war for capital and control.

A country is best served by pointing out it's faults.

The ability to shut your mouth and do as you're told is not honourable. Only weak minded fools join the armed forces in this day and age of open deciet.


GAWD DAMNIT, now you have totally ruined my day, TB.

You and others have to have some sympathy for those who are "brainwashed" from cradle to grave and do not know the truth about our government and their military.

It has been reported to me that they make "killing machines" out of them. It has been reported to me about the legislation trying to get through re the draft. It has been reported to me about the inaccurate numbers of dead and wounded. It has been reported to me that he and others know what is going on. He has his own brain, his own mind!!

EVERY Freakin' day, I kick myself for not demanding he steer clear of the Marines; however, they have very good recruitment officers who make it sound like money in your pocket. Not that he even needed the money. We're not poor, thankfully. We're not starving.

I think, being my son and knowing what I know gives him an advantage.

He is more enlightened than you may believe.

He would not allow me to interfere in "getting him out."

I have to grit my teeth and bare it for another couples of years.

Two to be precise.

I hear you about it being a death cult, and I have no grip with you there, but, TB, not everyone who is in the Marines is as easily manipulated as others might be.

07-14-2005, 09:56 AM
HERE'S MY TWO CENTS:

Every American soldier who has fought in this war and who has been wounded should sue the government. The families of those who have been killed should sue the government.

OF course, this would only include those who know the truth about this "unjust" war.

and

how many families do you think there are who have loved ones in the military and know they were used for "immoral" purposes?

Our government put these men and women in harm's way without legitimate reasons. They used them for purposes which do not encompass their oath, their job description. There job is to protect America and her people and not the oil interests in Iraq and/or other countries. Their job is not to bring freedom to other countries through war under the government's propaganda machine of democracy. That, is not their job!!!

Our government put these men and women in harm's way based on LIES, "false" intelligence that they created in order to invade Iraq.

They knew there weren't any WMD's, they knew Saddam was not an imminent threat of danger to our shores, they knew he wasn't trying to purchase uranium and they knew there wasn't any connection to Al-Qaeda and 911.

What could be more clear? An elephant standing in your living room?

07-14-2005, 04:12 PM
Okay, you didn't ruin my day. Just my morning!!

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 07:55 PM
You must understand...

The United States Marine Corp is a "DEATH CULT".

The U.S Army is not.

The Marines are the SPECIFIC cannon fodder of the U.S Armed Forces.

If you love your son you will make efforts to convince him to leave.

If he is sent to Iraq, if you love him you will encourage him to DESERT. He can then stand tall before the public and proclaim that he will defend his country to the death but will not participate in the murder of innocents abroard as a hitman for the rich and powerful.

There is no shades of grey here.

God is quite specific on these points and he should fear God more than he fears the government.

People must make a stand NOW!

I have lost everything. And i'm still sticking it to them.

07-14-2005, 08:28 PM
truebeliever wrote:
You must understand...

The United States Marine Corp is a "DEATH CULT".

The U.S Army is not.

The Marines are the SPECIFIC cannon fodder of the U.S Armed Forces.

If you love your son you will make efforts to convince him to leave.

If he is sent to Iraq, if you love him you will encourage him to DESERT. He can then stand tall before the public and proclaim that he will defend his country to the death but will not participate in the murder of innocents abroard as a hitman for the rich and powerful.

There is no shades of grey here.

God is quite specific on these points and he should fear God more than he fears the government.

People must make a stand NOW!

I have lost everything. And i'm still sticking it to them.


So, what are you saying, TB?? If I don't make efforts to convince my son to leave, I don't love him? How dare you pass judgment like that upon me!!!

"If he is sent to Iraq and I love him, I will encourage him to Desert."

What are you saying?

If I don't encourage him to desert, I don't love him???

He does not fear GOD!!!!

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 10:12 PM
Yes and thats the problem. No one fears God anymore.

You make much BA of your stance but allow your son to become embroiled with a criminal organization, built to serve the needs of a ruling Elite?

This is self evident.

Time for less talk and more action.

When I love someone and they join a cult...i encourage them out of it.

I may fail but I try.

There has never been a "just" war BA. Never.

Just state sanctioned murder for the benefit of a few Elite who spend alot of time working out how to keep the peasants in line and distracted.

There is no middle ground.

You are just words on a monitor...you sound like you care and are passionate about the subject.

Follow that up with a specific plan to protect your brood from becoming very stiff or very physically compromised via action in a criminal war of exploitation.

It is a simple concept which entails concrete action. Ones life must mirror ones rhetoric as closely as possible or we are just worthless words on a computer screen.

07-15-2005, 07:07 AM
truebeliever wrote:
Yes and thats the problem. No one fears God anymore.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM AS YOU SEE IT. YOU CANNOT SPEAK FOR ALL OF MANKIND.

You make much BA of your stance but allow your son to become embroiled with a criminal organization, built to serve the needs of a ruling Elite?

ALLOW MY SON!! I DO NOT CONTROL MY SON NOR DOES ANYONE ELSE.

This is self evident.

SELF-EVIDENT. CERTAINLY, TB, YOU ARE PASSING JUDGEMENT AND YOU SHOULD FEAR GOD AS YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THAT. YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT I ALLOWED MY SON TO BECOME EMBROILED WITH A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. AS I SAID, MY SON HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN. I COMMITTED NO CRIME AND YOU CAN STOP WITH THE GUILT TRIP.

Time for less talk and more action.

LESS TALK AND MORE ACTION?? WTF??? PLEASE FOCUS YOUR DEMANDS ON SOMEONE ELSE.

When I love someone and they join a cult...i encourage them out of it.

WELL, TB, YOU'RE JUST BETTER THAN THE REST OF US. PASSING JUDGEMENT AS TO MY CHARACTER SEEMS TO BE EASY FOR YOU.

I may fail but I try.

AGAIN, PASSING JUDGEMENT.

There has never been a "just" war BA. Never.

I HAVE NEVER CONCLUDED THERE HAS BEEN A JUST WAR.

Just state sanctioned murder for the benefit of a few Elite who spend alot of time working out how to keep the peasants in line and distracted.

There is no middle ground.

You are just words on a monitor...you sound like you care and are passionate about the subject.

YES, WE ARE ALL JUST WORDS ON A MONITOR. AND, YOU'RE SAYING I SOUND LIKE I CARE, BUT I MUST PROVE IT IN SOME OTHER WAY. GOD NEEDS NO PROOF, TB.

SORRY, BUT I HAVE MY OWN MIND.

Follow that up with a specific plan to protect your brood from becoming very stiff or very physically compromised via action in a criminal war of exploitation.

MY SON IS PROTECTED!!

It is a simple concept which entails concrete action. Ones life must mirror ones rhetoric as closely as possible or we are just worthless words on a computer screen.

WELL, THEN SINCE YOU BELIEVE THERE IS SOME ACTION I'M NOT TAKING TO PROVE I AM MORE THAN JUST WORTHLESS WORDS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN, I SUGGEST THE SAME APPLY TO YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE.

MY SON WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED HERE ANY LONGER. HE WILL NOT BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. HE WILL NOT BE USED AS A PAWN IN A CHESS GAME.

Thank you for respecting me and my family.

07-15-2005, 07:18 AM
There are two threads on this site already where I am the topic of conversation and this thread should return to the subject matter which was about US casualties and not my SON!!!

I don't appreciate it and I'm sure he wouldn't either.

It's called respect!!!

07-15-2005, 07:24 AM
P.S. I have my own mind. I cannot be controlled and I don't take kindly to bullies.

truebeliever
07-15-2005, 07:49 AM
Judgement?

You are familiar with the verse...remove the beam in thine eye before pointing to the splinter in mine?

BA you are on a public forum.

I will judge till the cows come home.

You made your son public property when you talked of him.

He is in an organization that kills people...because they will not submit to anglo/american/jewish values.

You can only do what you can do. I think you are very proud of him being in the Marines.

Do not sprout invective against the evil deeds of those in power while tolerating your sons membership of a criminal organisation.

Christianity has become "nice". But NO sacrifice for the truth. Gritting your teeth does'nt count.

Typing this and that on a keyboard means nothing if ones actions or inaction further the cause of the greatest danger the human race has faced since...

I am actually concerned for your son. For his mental and physical well being. You should demand he leave the Marines at the earliest oppertunity, not just because he is in physical danger but because it is a CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.

Surely you can grasp this?

07-15-2005, 08:04 AM
truebeliever wrote:
Judgement?

You are familiar with the verse...remove the beam in thine eye before pointing to the splinter in mine?

BA you are on a public forum.

YES, TB, I AM ON A PUBLIC FORM AND I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO REALIZE THAT ATTACKING ME AND/OR MY SON PERSONALLY REFLECTS POORLY ON YOU AS A PERSON.

I will judge till the cows come home.

THEN APPARENTLY, TB, YOU DO NOT FEAR GOD AS YOU HAVE STATED.

You made your son public property when you talked of him.

I DID NOT MAKE MY SON PUBLIC PROPERTY. WHAT A WEIRD THING TO SAY. VERY WEIRD. I DID NOT SPEAK OF HIM IN THIS THREAD.

He is in an organization that kills people...because they will not submit to anglo/american/jewish values.

YOU ACT AS IF MY SON IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE MILITARY AND HE AND I ARE GUILTY OF HAVING COMMITTED SOME CRIME. EXCUSE ME, BUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ARE THE CRIMINALS.

You can only do what you can do. I think you are very proud of him being in the Marines.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, OBVIOUSLY!

Do not sprout invective against the evil deeds of those in power while tolerating your sons membership of a criminal organisation.

I WILL SPROUT WHATEVER I CHOOSE. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO?? YOU ASSUME WHEN SOMEONE IS IN THE MILITARY THEY CAN JUST APPROACH THEIR OFFICER AND SAY, EXCUSE ME, BUT I'M LEAVING.

TOLERATING MY SON'S MEMBERSHIP IN A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION?? GAWD, TB, MY SON IS AN ADULT. TOLERATING HIS MEMBERSHIP?? I THINK YOU'VE REALLY FALLEN OVER THE DEEP END.

Christianity has become "nice". But NO sacrifice for the truth. Gritting your teeth does'nt count.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A BRONZE STAR or A MEDAL OF HONOR.

Typing this and that on a keyboard means nothing if ones actions or inaction further the cause of the greatest danger the human race has faced since...

MY ACTIONS FURTHER NO CAUSE OF THE GREATEST DANGER THE HUMAN RACE HAS FACED. AGAIN, WITH THE GUILT TRIP. OH, YES, IT'S ALL MY FAULT, TB. I SHOULDN'T WRITE ANY LONGER BECAUSE WHAT? TB, I'M NOT TAKING THE ACTION YOU SUGGEST REGARDING MY SON!?!

I am actually concerned for your son. For his mental and physical well being. You should demand he leave the Marines at the earliest oppertunity, not just because he is in physical danger but because it is a CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.

THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE, BUT YOUR CONCERN DOES NOT REFLECT WHAT YOU WRITE.

Surely you can grasp this?

YES, I'LL WRITE THE MARINES AND TELL THEM I WANT MY SON OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.

Get Real!!!

07-15-2005, 08:17 AM
TB, you seem to be adamant in discussing my son in this forum!!

There is no conspiracy in that regard unless you know someting I don't.

Is that the case, TB?????

I am beginning to suspect such.

Dreak
07-15-2005, 10:07 AM
From threadstart Draken posted

I am an American soldier here and don't want to be. Yesterday we got hit by Iraqis and twenty four of us died and forty seven injured. My government has been hiding the true number of our casualties since the beginning. We American soldiers know that there are thirteen thousand of us that have died and forty nine thousand injured and thirty three thousand of the injured were bad enough to be forced out of the military and crippled for the rest of their lives. If only I could get my hands on Bush or Rumsfeld.

You do know that all emails sent from military sources are "reviewed" right ? ( they dont want emails going out to anyone telling of positions,troops..etc..

This Email is propoganda m8.

Then you have the troops that watch TV..CNN and stuff like that. You think that " We American soldiers know that there are thirteen thousand of us that have died and forty nine thousand injured...etc" would not be ALL over the media ?

Then to say " thats not the point if this email is true or not..there just lieing anyway"

why did you post the propaganda ? to better serve your point of view ?

Im with TB .. there is no way of snuffing out the amount of life lost in this war with coverups.

We have the most up to date military in the world..I have to agree with TB once again.

PS. I agree with BA. lets keep her son out of this..

Bassus
09-03-2005, 12:16 PM
Well, I had a friend in the US Marine Corp.
in one month his base got hit i think it was around 47 times or a big number like that.

That is an average number he had been hit.
And i don't blame the Iraqies. I mean come on,
if Iraq invaded US i'm sure some of you
would be outside using some source of
fire power to defend you're country.

For the death rate, you will not find out
because there are so many US people in Iraq.