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nohope187
12-31-2004, 08:45 PM
Later, this summer, Spielberg is comin' out with the remake of H.G. Wells version of Orsen Wells',"War of the Worlds" starring Tom Cruise which is chock full of NWO propaganda. If anyone knows of any other pro-NWO films coming out soon, Post it here! :-P

john
01-01-2005, 02:46 AM
Coming soon: the movie to spread the biggest hoax ever imagined, the "Jesus bloodline": http://romanticmovies.about.com/cs/upcomingreleases/a/davincicodenews.htm

nomad
01-01-2005, 10:31 AM
How about each of us list a movie and what

the real NWO objective was ?


ie. Pearl Harbour ... NWO objective: to

whitewash the fact that the government did not

know it was going to happen when in fact they

knew months ahead of time.


come on anybody have others to share and

enlighten the rest of us ?

Max
01-01-2005, 01:03 PM
Upcoming movies:

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Promotes witchcraft for kids
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=126

The Beast - to be released on 6/6/6
What else needs to be said?
http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/beast_movie.html


Some past movies:

WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm
A quote: The Flowers used in the movie and books, are also used in the programming. The witch uses poppy flowers to put the lion and Dorothy to sleep. Opium and cocaine are used to tranquilize Monarch slaves. An alter of a slave will get trancy when they enter the poppy field. (Heroin and cocaine come from poppies.) In the film, Dorothy says, “What is happening? I’m so sleepy.” She and the lion get sleepy for no apparent reason very quickly. Monarch slaves do the same thing. Waking up with snow in the movie is nothing less than an allusion to cocaine which is a common substance given to Monarch slaves to help make them dependent. Dorothy states at one point in the movie that she “doesn’t remember”. She then follows this up with “I guess it doesn’t matter.”


Of course, watch out for anything from Disney:
http://www.geocities.com/sentientrewind/disbloo.htm

Mickey Mouse leading children to Hell
http://www.ac18.org/disney/
http://disney.go.com/witch/main.html

nohope187
01-01-2005, 03:24 PM
This thread has all kinds of potential, I'm glad I started it. But anyways, other pro-NWO movies of the past:

Independence Day/ID4- the world unites together to fight an outside aggresive force.

National Treasure- Occult white-wash of the meaning of their symbols

Judge Dred- serious police state implications "I am the Law!"

Minority Report- big brother and thought crime

Um... shit, I'm drawing blanks right now, but
also, feel free to include TV shows like

Star Trek- see what I wrote for ID4 above.

and whatever else you can think of. :-P

john
01-01-2005, 03:35 PM
One of the most filthy: Hannibal. The serial killer of the movie is shown as a hero. This is in fact the superman of the NWO: no moral taboos, absolute selfishness, ruthlessness, cold blooded and cunning... the human shark. Watch this movie and you will understand what means "luciferian".

madkhao
01-01-2005, 03:46 PM
manchurian candidate - microchipping and mind control

king arthur - evil popester, evil romans and evil saxons versus good roman, good pagans and good tribe of merlin?

do I get the drift of this thread or am I way off?

nohope187
01-01-2005, 03:56 PM
No, you got it. This is great! Keep it comin'! :-P

nohope187
01-01-2005, 03:59 PM
Hey John, was'nt Hannibal a series? ie-

Silence of the Lambs

Hannibal

and Red Dragon

Making a sadistic killer the hero- sick shit!

madkhao
01-01-2005, 05:32 PM
How about all the teeny bop movies that promote incest, sex etc.

Not Another Teen Movie - dad calls daughter pumpkin tits (+all the movies it made fun of)

Girl Next Door - highschool dropout turned porn star is the hero

freeman
01-01-2005, 05:38 PM
What about all of the post-Apocalyptic films like the Terminator series, the Mad Max trilogy (though I love how Mel Gibson slams the masons in "Beyond Thunderdome"), and the John Carpenter Escape From New York and LA films featuring antihero Snake Pliskin.
Almost as if Hollywood and the NWO are trying to desensitize the masses to the horrors to come.

nohope187
01-01-2005, 05:43 PM
Running Man- future police state

Matrix 1-3- this one's probably the most blatantly obvious as Neo poses as the Messiah.

nohope187
01-01-2005, 06:13 PM
Just about every movie that ever came out and will come out, that has a main character with supernatural powers saving the world.

nohope187
01-01-2005, 06:20 PM
Well of course, Freeman, desensitization and conditioning is the whole point of movies and television. That's what those tools were made for- feeding shit to the sheeple and keeping them in the dark. Keep naming more movies and TV shows. :-P

madkhao
01-01-2005, 07:10 PM
So what's the deal with all these zombie videos.
Can anyone offer a NWO connection with these kind of movies?

Max
01-01-2005, 07:52 PM
Here's some more:

"Charmed" TV show- promotes witchcraft
http://www.tvacres.com/books_occult_shadows.htm

"Day After tomorrow" movie - fear of environmental disaster

From: The Illuminati in America
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt3.shtml

Walt Disney (he was an Illuminist, and Fantasia was used to program children).

Some films that blatantly portray the Illuminist agenda: The Matrix. You could have peeled me off the ceiling when I saw that one. The references to conditioning and the core were so blatant, it wasn't funny. Fight Club: I love Brad Pitt and Ed Norton, and this film is a nod at the covert military buildup going on that the average person doesn't realize. Also, Ed is dissociative in the film, as Pitt's character takes over (notice that the cult-creating military figure is the "stronger" one in the story?).

The Labyrinth: I haven't seen this, but my husband did, and everything he mentioned is pure Illuminati programming stories used with children. Any movies with an occult viewpoint, or that show supernatural psychic phenomena, astral travel, or contact with the spirit world are guaranteed to be part of this agenda. I don't watch them, myself. Saw enough of the real thing to last me this lifetime.

The sensationalization of rituals and other occult insignia on television is another example. Ghost stories. Witch stories. Children's books about Wizards and their training that are extremely popular.

Oh, yes, Starship Trooper. This one had so many cult symbols (the Illumnists have a strong Aryan ideology going, too) that I almost laughed outright when I saw it. I counted at least 100 in it.


Here's the table of contents of a book "HOODWINKED: Watching Movies With Eyes Wide Open”
http://www.conspiracydigest.com/hoodwinked.html

I. Poli-Sci-Fi (Political Science Fiction)

* The Matrix: Sci Fi, Metaphysics, and Soul Liberation
* Minority Report: Spielberg’s Psychic Dictatorship
* The Postman: Reluctant Hero Delivers Hope
* Solaris: Life Is A Trance
* Soldier: Future Cannon Fodder Goes High-Tech
* Signs: Mel Gibson Loses His BS (Belief System)
* The Sixth Day: Downtown Atlantis Revisited
* Starship Troopers: Teenage Fascists Battle Giant Bugs
* The Truman Show’: Storming the Reality Studio
* The X-Files: When Conspiracies Collide

II. Illuminati, Mind Control and Other PsyOps

* Arlington Road: The Terrorist Next Door
* Blade: Secrets of the Illuminati
* Conspiracy Theory: Deconstructing Hidden History
* Dark Angel: The Threat of Digital Slavery
* Disturbing Behavior: Mind Control High School
* Fight Club: Secrets of Janus Programming
* The General’s Daughter: PsyOps and the Military Career Criminal
* Hannibal: Necrophilia Chic
* The Skulls: Secrets of the New World Orderlies
* Snake Eyes: Deconstructing an Assassination
* X-Men: Psychic Warfare and the Mind Control Enigma

III. Into the Mystic

* Alien Resurrection: Biotech Nightmare from Hell
* Bless the Child: Spiritual Warfare Illustrated
* City of Angels: Falling in Love, Falling from Heaven
* Contact: Looking for God In All the Wrong Places
* The Devil’s Advocate: Leading Us into Temptation
* Dogma: Fallen Angels on Earth
* The Faculty: Invasion of the Astral Parasites
* Fairy Tale: For Believers Only
* What Dreams May Come: Life, Death and Beyond

IV. Secrets and Lies of History

* Amistad: Spielberg Does Porno – Again
* Blow: Bad Karma - Why CIA Dopers Beat the Independents
* Collateral Damage: The Truth is the First Victim
* Dick: Clueless at Watergate
* From Hell: Masonic Ritual Murders a/k/a Jack the Ripper
* The Patriot: Don’t Tread on Me -- Or Else
* Saving Private Ryan’: Spielberg’s War Is Just Schmaltz and Gore
* Seven Years in Tibet Before the Chinese Holocaust
* Summer of Sam: Sex, Drugs and the “Lone Nut” Killer
* Three Kings: Flirting with Bush’s War
* Traffic: How the Drug War Was Lost

V. Pop Idolatry: Sex & Death and Other Games

* As Good As It Gets: Romance Management
* The Big Lebowsky: Bowling Stone Comedy
* Jackie Brown: Tarantino Running on Empty
* Kill Bill: Disney’s Bloody Gore Fest
* L.A. Confidential: Film Noir Masterpiece
* Magnolia: Bad Karma Ranting
* The Man in the Iron Mask: More Wickedness in High Places
* Payback: Sadism! Gratuitous Violence! And Mel Gibson!
* Ronin: Aging Spooks Fighting It Out
* Rounders: Haute Poker Nights
* Star Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace: All Hype. No Heart.
* There’s Something About Mary: Gross-Out Comedy about Love & obsession
* Wild Things: Sex, Lies and Trashy Fun

VI. Government-Business (Scams) As Usual

* A Civil Action: Corporate Criminals Rule
* Boiler Room: Reach Out & Scam Someone
* Bulworth: The Politically Incorrect Politician
* The Corruptor: Dirty Cops Just Wanna Have Fun
* Confidence: One Nation Under Fraud
* Enemy of the State: Federal Police State(s) of America
* The Insider: Big Media Rules
* Mercury Rising: Feds in Wolves Clothing
* The Peacemaker: Making the World Safe for Globalism
* Primary Colors: A $65 Million Commercial for Clinton
* The Rainmaker: Southern Fried Flotsam and Grisham
* The Siege: PsyOps Movie Prepares U.S. For Martial Law
* Swordfish: How to Steal a Government Slush Fund
* Tomorrow Never Dies: Mass Media Moguls -- The Perfect Villain
* Wag the Dog: How to Manipulate the Media

nomad
01-01-2005, 10:30 PM
good post guys

how about

GI Jane ... selling women on "liberating"

themselves by killing for the Illuminati

nomad
01-01-2005, 10:32 PM
Let's not forget

The Godfather series: the mafia and Italians are

the bad guys and import all the drugs.

freeman
01-01-2005, 10:35 PM
The Godfather series: the mafia and Italians are the bad guys and import all the drugs.

LOL!
There's a topic for a whole new post.

nomad
01-01-2005, 10:43 PM
freeman wrote:
The Godfather series: the mafia and Italians are the bad guys and import all the drugs.

LOL!
There's a topic for a whole new post.

and they continue the lies with series

like the Sopranos ... Not many people

know that the 5 mob families in New York all

had Jewish lawyers advising them ... if we

research this we will find that they were

all connected to the Rockefeller family and

that they used the Italians as a scapegoat and

also to do their dirty work.

Mr_Shady
01-02-2005, 01:03 AM
What else needs to be said? (concerning The Beast)

Well, if you did a little research such as a simple whois look-up, you would have found the following:

=================================================

registrant-firstname: Brian
registrant-lastname: Flemming
registrant-street1: 666 6th St. #666
registrant-pcode: 90066
registrant-state: CA
registrant-city: Los Angeles
registrant-ccode: US
registrant-phone: +1.2136660666
registrant-email: vagrant@slumdance.com

=================================================

A look at this website, www.slumdance.com (http://www.slumdance.com), reveals that the registrant is a firm believer in the NWO's propaganda. He also appears to be an independent film-maker with a mockumentary already released concerning the assassination of Bill Gates. As if anybody would want to waste their time killing Bill Gates or even watching this movie.

By viewing the trailer for "The Beast" it's blatantly obvious that the entire thing was done using flash animation and the desktop wallpapers available were created using Photoshop.

Final verdict, I'll be damned (pun intended) if this "The Beast" is ever released. This asshole turned film-maker will find himself at the top of the religious world's hitlist, knocking Salmon Rushdie down to #2. He's just a moron who doesn't realise that he's playing with fire.

One last note, his website looks like it hasn't been updated since February 2003, except for the extrmely curt "Merry Christmas" on his weblog.

Mr. Shady

P.S. I forgot to mention that this movie does not seem to be a Hollywood sponsored film. Like I said, just a piece of trash from a moron.

Max
01-02-2005, 02:36 AM
Nice sleuth work Mr. Shady! I had seen the Bill Gates assassination bit:
http://www.nothingsostrange.com
http://www.billgatesisdead.com
http://www.citizensfortruth.org

Didn't put two and two together to know this was his work.

nohope187
01-02-2005, 02:34 PM
I know "Starship Troopers" was already mentioned but, one of the lines in that film that stood out to me was the mass conditioning for Homeland Security recruiting as they said, "Service = Citizenship" in the NWO of course.

nohope187
01-02-2005, 06:57 PM
I just read that "Semiotic Deception" article which reinforces my belief that the media was complicit with the government in provoking 9/11 and the war on terror. Yep, were knee deep in shit they expect us to eat. I can already see a brighter tomorrow! Can't you? :-P

thokhanCep
01-02-2005, 10:15 PM
Hey nohope I like this post ... and this quote reminded me of some old masonic tricks of the trade:

"Matrix 1-3- this one's probably the most blatantly obvious as Neo poses as the Messiah."

Neo in the green language is One as in the ONE

also the movie THE ONE with Jet li was pretty strange - Multi verse traveling , killing all of your other "selves" so you can be stronger.
When it came down to the last 2 Jet li's - The evil one said it did not matter who killed who because the last battle would result in death for one and the other becoming God like???
Freakin weird flick man!!!

Anyways, have you noticed that most of the actors that agree to these NWO movies are all scientologists? or at least chum it up with the elite's.

The passion of the christ has Porn Stars (http://watch.pair.com/passion.html) as its main characters! .. I don't know some crazy stuff out there

marypopinz
01-03-2005, 12:16 AM
this is the interesting bit...

"hardcore pornography stars! Monica Bellucci, who plays Mary Magdalene in Gibson’s “Passion” movie, is quite the rage as a European porn queen as well as “one of the hottest actresses in Hollywood” (according to one fan site). Monica Bellucci is no ordinary porn star, but performs in hardcore films such as the 2002 production, Irreversible. “Premiered at last years Cannes Film Festival, ‘Irreversible’ proved so shocking that 250 people walked out, some needing medical attention...

“Irreversible, directed by Franco-Argentinian director Gaspar Noe, describes a woman’s rape and her boyfriend’s bloody quest for revenge... The script consists almost entirely of expletives directed against homosexuals and women, and a scene in which Italian actress Monica Bellucci is raped lasts a horrifying 10 minutes. Shown anti-chronologically––the violent conclusion first followed by sequences taking the viewer back through events––the film delivers a stomach-churning opening punch set in ‘Rectum,’ a sado-masochist gay club.

“Fire wardens had to administer oxygen to 20 people (at the Cannes Festival) who fainted during the film - which includes a 10-minute depiction of sodomy and also contains graphic scenes of rape and murder...

“...Italian actress Monica Bellucci, whose character is raped and beaten in the film, said it was good to let people feel a range of emotions. ‘This is a film that people love or they hate, but it’s good to have these kind of extremes,’ she said.”

Rosalinda Celentano, who is the androgynous character of Satan in “The Passion of the Christ”, and Claudia Gerini, who plays the role of Pilate's wife, are hardcore porn stars as well. A simple search on the internet for any one of these Italian actresses brings up numerous pornographic websites featuring photos of them posing in varying degrees of nudity, partial to full. Having said this, we advise against viewing these pornographic websites. More information about this stunning cast of characters is presented in an addendum to the report, Mel Gibson’s Hall of Porn.



These disturbing matters raise not a few questions. Would a Christian film director cast hardcore pornography stars in a movie about Jesus Christ? And why has not one of the alleged “Christian” reviewers of “The Passion of the Christ” mentioned these appalling facts? Nor does the official website for “The Passion” tell the truth about Monica Bellucci’s profession, or Rosalinda Celentano’s, or Claudia Gerini’s. "



Disturbing to say the least. Well, if the truth be known, many good christian folk will recognize these women from past cognition as the the market for porno is often, white middle-class married "christians" who are also film-goers (to speak of my race, specifically). This will further, subconsciously, re-inforce the "women are whores attitude" into sheeple society. It's great to be Britney. Stripping is a "good" "glamourous" job.

HOOer(whore) comes to mind. Sexual liberation?

The dialect of the bible is mary the virgin or the whore; literally, apparently, in the movie too.

P.S. I had to copy it here because I just couldn't believe it. Talk about a casting couch...

Mary XXX

nomad
01-03-2005, 12:46 AM
Just saw a bit of a rerun on "The Untouchables"

yesterday with Kevin Costner ... NWO objective

here: You can be a criminal like Al Capone

but PAY the IRS. Interesting that before

1913 taxes on personal income was illegal.

Right after Rothchilds/Rockefeller succeeded

in privatizing the printing of money the also

created the PRIVATE IRS collection agency.

Remember not a penny of your IRS taxes goes

to support the services of your government.

And they called Capone a crook !

nohope187
01-03-2005, 09:24 PM
The 501-C3 corporate church I attend absolutely loves "The Passion of the Christ". They play clips of that fuckin' movie just about every Sunday or Wednesday night to pull at sheepl's heart strings. It makes me sick. But hey, what can I do when they already believe they know the truth? :-P

freeman
01-03-2005, 09:42 PM
The 501-C3 corporate church I attend absolutely loves "The Passion of the Christ". They play clips of that fuckin' movie just about every Sunday or Wednesday night to pull at sheepl's heart strings. It makes me sick. But hey, what can I do when they already believe they know the truth?

What do they think they're watching -- do any of them actually speak Aramaic?
That is one of the main reasons why I haven't viewed the film yet. I hate subtitles. I never saw a spaghetti western that didn't leave me a little lost and confused in some parts, even with voice dubbing.
Also, I question what actually makes this film so controversial? Isn't it just the crucifixion of Jesus retold from another perspective? After all, not that many people got so totally bent out of shape when Martin Scorcese did the same thing with "Last Temptation of the Christ", right?
I think the whole thing was a preconceived scheme to heighten religious tensions, and Gibson was one of the co-conspirators. After all, why would Hollywood even let him make such a film for any other reason, knowing what we know about who pulls their strings?

nohope187
01-03-2005, 09:51 PM
Well, if you know your bible, there's tons of cinematic extras and catholic doctrine in there.

madkhao
01-04-2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah like pasty satan holding the weird overgrown baby
What's that all about???
Turning that into a porn is just way too much for me to comprehend.

I recently watched all 3 Indiana Jones movies again - Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade

It's so strange watching old movies with your third eye open. The artifact looting, the blood drinking, the occult, the child slaves, hitler, the bogus royal bloodline, the holy grail doctrine.

thokhanCep
01-05-2005, 09:12 PM
Turning that into a porn is just way too much for me to comprehend.
from madkhao

The passion of the christ employed porn stars to play the parts of main people in the movie.

Thats the strange part.

nohope187
01-05-2005, 09:46 PM
sometime later this year, The movie,"Bewitched" starring Nicole Kidman based on the TV show is being released.

Max
01-05-2005, 11:30 PM
The thing that I don't get is that Mel Gibson's father, Hutton has been fighting the New World Order for 50 years. Here are two Alex Jones interviews:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/gibson_01_17_03.mp3
http://www.prisonplanet.com/gibson_03_12_03.mp3

Here's a transcript of a Mel Gibson interview where he mentions the NWO:
http://100777.com/node/729

Another piece:
http://www.universalway.org/passionofthechrist.html#Hutton

Ahmad
01-06-2005, 12:12 AM
Peace Max,


I once wrote an article about how "The Passion" was used to remind the Christians of the trauma based mind-control (Crucifixion).


If the interview with Mel Gibson is true, then i put him in the category of (Conservatives) who are the majority of fake religion-adherents, who get their security from their inherited dogmas without ever daring to question them.

nomad
01-06-2005, 06:13 AM
freeman wrote:
The 501-C3 corporate church I attend absolutely loves "The Passion of the Christ". They play clips of that fuckin' movie just about every Sunday or Wednesday night to pull at sheepl's heart strings. It makes me sick. But hey, what can I do when they already believe they know the truth?

What do they think they're watching -- do any of them actually speak Aramaic?
That is one of the main reasons why I haven't viewed the film yet. I hate subtitles. I never saw a spaghetti western that didn't leave me a little lost and confused in some parts, even with voice dubbing.
Also, I question what actually makes this film so controversial? Isn't it just the crucifixion of Jesus retold from another perspective? After all, not that many people got so totally bent out of shape when Martin Scorcese did the same thing with "Last Temptation of the Christ", right?
I think the whole thing was a preconceived scheme to heighten religious tensions, and Gibson was one of the co-conspirators. After all, why would Hollywood even let him make such a film for any other reason, knowing what we know about who pulls their strings?


It is believed by many scolars that Jesus spoke

in Hebrew and that most of the original texts

of the New Testament was in Hebrew first.

Since I know Hebrew I can say that I agree

100% with these scolars.

Why is this important ?

Because when you take what Jesus said and

translate it to Hebrew you will immediately

see how INCREDIBLY brilliant he was ... even

more than what you all see now ... and any

vagueries quickly become even clearer.

So by including Aramaic Mel Gibson was actually

doing a disservice to the message.

Also, it has been speculated that one of the

key scenes the New World Order were able to

get cut from his movie was when Jesus

confronted the moneychangers. This scene

is KEY to understanding the problem with

todays world.

madkhao
01-08-2005, 11:18 AM
'I ROBOT' or 'I microchipped mind controlled humanbot' enforces martial law on citizens.

nomad
01-08-2005, 11:42 AM
thokhanCep wrote:
Turning that into a porn is just way too much for me to comprehend.
from madkhao

The passion of the christ employed porn stars to play the parts of main people in the movie.

Thats the strange part.


It could be Mel's way of trying to convert them

by exposing them to the Gospel ... Mel has

been interviewed as saying that many were

converted on the set of the movie ...

even Jesus has entered whore houses to preach

and communicated with the undesirables.

marypopinz
01-08-2005, 11:50 AM
I, personally was tempted to go see the movie and I also tend to stay out of theatres as they are mass forums of propaganda in my eyes.

A lot of my Christian friends raved about the movie and commented on the grotesque violence. I'm am not engaging anyone regarding what actually happened at the crucifixion, I am simply implying that just like any horror movie, the intent of the movie is to install fear. The underlying intent behind that is to de-sensitize.

Quite the double whammy. On one side, it is supposed to make you less likely to respond while it embeds fear of making a response. Quite clever and very, very sick.

How many good people have raised spoiled brats who have lost their morals and sold out their morality to whom? Mel might know what is what and he still makes a buck dancing with the devilish hollywood.

In my mind, Hollywood is kind of like the masons. You have to commit evil to be part of that evil crew.

I view Hollywood as advertising, I think I have said that before. The titanic message is the ship is sinking. The America saves the day films are to make Americans proud of what the media doesn't let them know the society has become.

The UFO films are made to make us fear aliens when I think, like star trek, if they are more advanced - they are peaceful, and if they are warring... I believe the government is our present day enemy.

Over all time, the little green folk have abducted and/or threatened far fewer lives than the politicians and the bankers achieved this boxing day, my mum's birthday, God love her heart.

I think Mel loves the fame and the money and that is that. Whether he ignorantly played a role in their schemata is irrelavent as his father was apparently clued up and clued up his kid.

It's a horror show meant to feed the evangelical Christian extremists, funded by that old jewish funny money, they forget to mention, that Jesus did not like, one bit at all.

XXX

nomad
01-08-2005, 12:04 PM
Not many celebrities have said what Mel has said

in this 1995 interview.

Mel Gibson discusses the guys behind the scene
An interview Gibson gave in Playboy, July 1995 (Vol. 42 ; No. 7 ; Pg. 51). Some excerpts:

.........

PLAYBOY: Do you believe in Darwin's theory of evolution or that God created man in his image?

GIBSON: The latter.

PLAYBOY: So you can't accept that we descended from monkeys and apes?

GIBSON: No, I think it's bullshit. If it isn't, why are they still around? How come apes aren't people yet? It's a nice theory, but I can't swallow it. There's a big credibility gap. The carbon dating thing that tells you how long something's been around, how accurate is that, really? I've got one of Darwin's books at home and some of that stuff is pretty damn funny. Some of his stuff is true, like that the giraffe has a long neck so it can reach the leaves. But I just don't think you can swallow the whole piece.

PLAYBOY: We take it that you're not particularly broad-minded when it comes to issues such as celibacy, abortion, birth control --

GIBSON: People always focus on stuff like that. Those aren't issues. Those are unquestionable. You don't even argue those points.

PLAYBOY: You don't?

GIBSON: No.

PLAYBOY: What about allowing women to be priests?

GIBSON: No.

PLAYBOY: Why not?

GIBSON: I'll get kicked around for saying it, but men and women are just different. They're not equal. The same way that you and I are not equal.

PLAYBOY: That's true. You have more money.

GIBSON: You might be more intelligent, or you might have a bigger dick. Whatever it is, nobody's equal. And men and women are not equal. I have tremendous respect for women. I love them. I don't know why they want to step down. Women in my family are the center of things. An good things emanate from them. The guys usually mess up.

PLAYBOY: That's quite a generalization.

GIBSON: Women are just different. Their sensibilities are different.

PLAYBOY: Any examples?

GIBSON: I had a female business partner once. Didn't work.

PLAYBOY: Why not?

GIBSON: She was a cunt.

PLAYBOY: And the feminists dare to put you down!

GIBSON: Feminists don't like me, and I don't like them. I don't get their point. I don't know why feminists have it out for me, but that's their problem, not mine.

.................

PLAYBOY: How do you feel about Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: He's a low-level opportunist. Somebody's telling him what to do.

PLAYBOY: Who?

GIBSON: The guy who's in charge isn't going to be the front man, ever. If I were going to be calling the shots I wouldn't make an appearance. Would you? You'd end up losing your head. It happens all the time. All those monarchs. If he's the leader, he's getting shafted. What's keeping him in there? Why would you stay for that kind of abuse? Except that he has to stay for some reason. He was meant to be the president 30 years ago, if you ask me.

PLAYBOY: He was just 18 then.

GIBSON: Somebody knew then that he would be president now.

PLAYBOY: You really believe that?

GIBSON: I really believe that. He was a Rhodes scholar, right? Just like Bob Hawke. Do you know what a Rhodes scholar is? Cecil Rhodes established the Rhodes scholarship for those young men and women who want to strive for a new world order. Have you heard that before? George Bush? CIA? Really, it's Marxism, but it just doesn't want to call itself that. Karl had the right idea, but he was too forward about saying what it was. Get power but don't admit to it. Do it by stealth. There's a whole trend of Rhodes scholars who will be politicians around the world.

PLAYBOY: This certainly sounds like a paranoid sense of world history. You must be quite an assassination buff.

GIBSON: Oh, fuck. A lot of those guys pulled a boner. There's something to do with the Federal Reserve that Lincoln did, Kennedy did and Reagan tried. I can't remember what it was, my dad told me about it. Everyone who did this particular thing that would have fixed the economy got undone. Anyway, I'll end up dead if I keep talking shit.

marypopinz
01-08-2005, 01:51 PM
I still feel the same way.

"Get the power but don't admit to it... do it by stealth." Mel

He states he believes Marx has the right ideas, I don't know.

His roles I remember. Mad Max. The crazy cop opposing the good old retiring black cop. Braveheart. The nice pilot who was forzen and found hisoldlove. Braveheart is a favorite movie.

Maybe I am a sceptic as those I have met who are high up the food chain and feed from the trough, generally have the same motivation as the next greedy bugger.

In Braveheart, the hero is betrayed and dies, by rather an awful death and he is re-united with his already deceased beloved.

Oh, I don't know. I just think Hollywood is crap.

XXX

madkhao
01-08-2005, 06:27 PM
What I didn't like about the passion of Christ was that it left me asking why did He have to die?

And all I can relate that to is when Peter said 'no! let it not be so! this shall not happen to you.'

Then Christ called Peter Satan and said 'Get behind me!'

There is a dark undertone to that movie and I think it robbed a lot of people much like Bill Grahams sermons.

Their pockets and their spirits.

Draken
01-11-2005, 11:14 AM
Hey guys, you've been naming films that in one way or another, overtly or covertly, carries the NWO agenda.

How about naming films that DON'T carry this message?
How about naming films that show Goodness, Hope, Beauty, Love; films that inspire people to contemplate for themselves what these qualities are?
How about naming films that have inspired you or films you like because they DON'T contain NWO messages?

Or films that expose the Elite and tell it like it is?

(I suppose the list would become much shorter! :-D )

Here - I'll start, see if you catch my drift:

Romeo & Juliet. The FIRST one by opera, theatre and film director Zeffirelli.

Cyrano de Bergerac with Gerard Depardieu totally in his element.

Or how about The Shawshank Redemption?

Any thoughts? ;-)

nomad
01-11-2005, 12:01 PM
Good idea but "conspiracy" is the reason

for being for this site ...

about Franco Zefferelli I find it interesting

that the best movie about the founder of

clubconspiracy is not from Hollywood.

http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/sleeve/larger/6210.JPG

Draken
01-11-2005, 03:31 PM
Hey nomad, I didn't know Zeffirelli has made a film about Henry Makow? ;-)

Is religion a part of this forum's issues? I read elsewhere that people are really tired of religious/theological discussions going on ad infinitum.

Seriously, I really think that all this talk about conspiracies is rather depressing if you don't counter it with positive aspects of counteraction as well. Since a lot of people on this site seem to have serious opinions about faith, religion and theological issues, I think you can tolerate a few movie references to such films I talked about, no?

After all, if the point of this forum is to come up with ways to counter the current trend towards an evil New World Order then surely we need to include positive things such as for example GOOD films, UPLIFTING films, BEAUTIFUL films.

If the point of this forum on the other hand is to just discuss the different ways the NWO is shafting us on a regular basis and NOT do anything about it then we're REALLY playing into their hands, and surely THAT'S not the point?

Ahmad
01-11-2005, 04:36 PM
Peace Draken,


That's what i was talking about for many threads. Many people here seem to worship the NWO, making it the focus of their lives without knowing, thus missing the fact that God is in full control.

This kind of negative glorification of Satan is what God condemned in all His scriptures.

Can we win a war by only studying our enemy? isn't it better to build our powers first?


Satan's power is nil.



Ahmad

nomad
01-11-2005, 05:38 PM
I started doing something 2 years ago ... I

write stars, news achors and people of

influence on a regular basis and basically

tell them to stop lying to us and here

are the facts etc. I organize meetings on

a weekly basis to enlighten others.

What are you guys doing about trying to defeating

the NWO ?

madkhao
01-11-2005, 05:44 PM
nomad, is your alter ego born_to_die?

haven't seen him in a while, just wondering.

Ahmad
01-11-2005, 05:48 PM
What about starting with yourself?

I believe the first step in defeating Satan is to break free of his spiritual prison.

Look for your centers/false gods/idols and get rid of them.

The first half of the first pillar of Submission is :

I bear witness that: There is no god...

Look for anything or anyone you have assigned independent powers to it and eliminate it from your mind.

What occupies our mind most of the time is what Satan is using to bind us in slavery. For example: drugs, alcohol, women, movies, internet, work, family, Jesus, Muhammad, the saints...etc

Look for the meaning, give all of these things a meaning by relating their powers to God, and thus directing them to righteous ends.

Ask yourself, are you free spiritually or is your judgment still affected by things and people?

Reverence God and He will show you the way, but that will never happen untill you decide to accept His message, that only Him has power to harm or benefit,

...except God.

madkhao
01-11-2005, 05:57 PM
this has nothing to do with you Ahmad

born_to_die is the name of a member

I haven't seen this name on this site in a long

time and nomads posts remind me of him.

maybe I miss him.

why don't you stop spiritually raping me?

nohope187
01-11-2005, 07:42 PM
Hey Draken, if you want to list happy go lucky films and TV shows that have nothing to do with NWO, start it on another thread! :-x

Draken
01-12-2005, 12:33 AM
I know - I WILL!

It's funny though to notice that writing from Sweden in the evening hardly anyone is online, but then suddenly waking up (like now) the next day you guys have been very active on something I wrote a long time ago! :-)

But this is the Opinion forum isn't it? So really one should be able to talk about anything, no?

DarkChilde3D
01-12-2005, 01:02 AM
Looks like we have to put some "Gremlins" into the NWO system, if this is the case.

Hell, the NWO controls the Media, movies is just another form of media.

Draken
01-12-2005, 02:22 AM
Yes, movies is always manipulation. But there are rare examples where that "manipulation" is positive, like Tarkovsky's Stalker, for example.

Tarkovsky's work in general is of this higher level, I think.

There really are not many film directors who have this higher, symbolic aspect of filmmaking, which was really my goal when I tried to get people to name some good films...

freeman
01-12-2005, 04:26 AM
Draken makes a good point, even if we are going a little off-point.
There are the occasional good, well-made, morally uplifting films that sneak through Hollywood's filters.
For instance, very few people are probably aware that Paul Hogan followed up his first "Crocodile Dundee" film with a delightful religious comedy called "Amost an Angel"; or that one of the best films ever made about the civil rights era was a 1963 b&w release called "Shame" with William Shatner. Yet one can track the enduring appeal of this underrated and underpromoted films through their persistent video sales and rentals, reruns on cable televison, etc., and realize that there is a spiritual hunger within the moviegoing public that the mainstream entertainemnt industry ignores and neglects -- probably on purpose.

Draken
01-12-2005, 08:33 AM
If any of you guys come across a Swedish film called "Songs From The Second Floor" by the director Roy Andersson, be SURE you see it. It actually won the Jurys' Prize in Cannes 2000, and until then I didn't have a clue that this guy existed in post- postmodern overtly socialist, covertly communist Sweden.
One of the judges of the jury said in an interview about this film: "I've never seen anything like it in my entire life!"

Incredibly, Roy Andersson has spent most of his life making commercials, although of a fantastically high standard contentwise. He incorporated the abuse, torture and murder of American prisoners used in medical and mind control experiments by Big Business and has also used his knowledge of the HIV/AIDS hoax in his commercials. He has made 3 (!) feature-length films in his entire career which spans at least 25-30 years. His latest film "Songs..." he financed totally himself and spent, if I remember correctly, 10 years writing and perfecting.

When you see it you'll understand why I think this is an incredibly important film to include under Anti-NWO Films.;-)

This film DEFINATELY slipped through the Swedish censors' fingers...:-D

Ahmad
01-12-2005, 07:04 PM
Peace Draken,


I for one has seen alot of good movies like, "Hurricane" or "Malcolm X".

But that was long time ago, now i question the very idea of movies!

Movies are based on lying, an actor is literaly a liar (ofcourse many are well meaning though). But my religion encourages truthfulness.

So i think if there should ever be movies, they should be educational, God-centered, and more importantly with the actors talking to the audience frequently to remind them that it is not real.

When we accept a lie as real, we are also taking reality as a lie. Thus scenes of war, crime on the news become more acceptable day by day.


P.S: To madkhao, i was replying to nomad, not to you.


Ahmad

Draken
01-13-2005, 01:46 AM
Hey Ahmad,

I assume you're talking about mainly American film, judging from your examples.

American cinema is totally focussed on making it look like real life; realism or naturalism. Cinema can be so much more than that. Unfortunately people tend to judge cinema according to "The Hollywood" Standard.

When cinema is used in a beneficial way actors and directors are not liars; they tell the Truth. For example, I love Shakespeare. He tells the Truth, that's why he's so good.

Look at the beginning of Hamlet, The play within the play, where the actors are instructed by "the director" Hamlet to tell the story of the poisoned King (his father). They are telling the Truth. The point is to see how it makes his uncle, the usurper of the throne, react. Of course, confronted with the Truth the uncle freaks out and loses his head - he reveals himself.

THAT is what theatre, film and acting SHOULD be doing!

The present situation where the State controls the Arts (which I wrote about on the Freemasonry forum) is catastrophic, but it doesn't have to be that way.

Cinema can be done in so many more different ways than what the amateur manipulators in Hollywood manage to sqeeze out - it's pathetic. Cinema should be CINEMATIC, theatre should be THEATRICAL and opera should be OPERATIC.

I remember earlier you and I talked about what you call Submission (Islam that rejects every islamic writing except the Quran, am I right?). Within Islam there is an esoteric current called Sufism. They are, described very simply, believers of The One and Only God, but they express their belief through poetry, music and dance. They are true artists; what Western actors, directors and artists SHOULD be!


Truth, Beauty, Love

Ahmad
01-13-2005, 03:55 AM
Peace Draken,

Let's go back some centuries ago when there was no art called "acting", what do you think made its inventor come up with this idea?

Why would anyone try to change his nature, embrace some other personality and start "acting" as if it was himself!

In Japan, the idea of acting have extended to the real life, it's a dominant culture, it's called "the honne, the real self" vs "the tatemae, the alter-self" which is what one projects to the others!

This ulter-self in my belief is the Jinn-companion who is the source of evil ideas in our minds, when this Jinn take over control of us, we naturally act, because we are not supposed to be controlled by the Jinn.

I have always wondered why people act! (in reality), specially TV announcers, telephone operators, even cashiers act like robots! in an emotionless, dead way.

But now i know that it is their companions who are running the show, God calls such Jinn-controlled human beings, "Liars" because He designed the human body to be controlled by the Human being with the Jinn-companion subservient.

Anyway, what i want to say, even if the cause is just and honorable, still the actors have to change their real selves "honne" and reflect some other self, which normally extends to their real lives.

Do you think there is a way to act without embracing some other personality?

I believe there can be some new art, (maybe there is already!) where the actors speak with the audience and explain their ideas before demonstrating it, so that the people will not buy fiction for real.

I believe also that many actors are drawn to this art because of trying to evade their reality, same like those who escape to the fantasy lands of video-games, movies, comics, celebrity life, weird fashions, tatoos, plastic surgery, and even sex change!. Ultimately Satan wants to distort God's reality into his own fictious reality (fantasy).

No insult intended, but do you think opera is a natural art? why is it overdramatized and exagerated?

As for the sufis, i don't believe in their artistic religion, it lacks the reverence of God.

DarkChilde3D
01-13-2005, 04:09 AM
Acting was invented by cave men, maybe even earlier. How do you think thoughts were communicated before people had a defined language? How did a father explain to his son how to kill his dinner? He probably went through the motions as a lesson, or rather a rehearsal, as to what was coming . . . he was telling a story of how to kill his dinner for that night.

Well, today it has become distorted . . . I don't think it's too hard to ACT in and of itself . . . because its a story. I do admit, most stories are crap these days, but ultimately, the whole purpose people go into it is for attention. They either crave attention where they get none . . . or they crave more attention than they are recieving. "Hell, I was the most popular guy in my school when I got the lead in the school play . . ." a friend of mine said, pursuant to his first attempt at an acting career, "Chicks dig actors." (what a bonehead.)

I think for guys it starts as a way to get laid . . . for girls it starts as a way to gain popularity. Either way, I don't think that actors hate their lives, so to speak . . . And I don't think that they want to get away from reality . . . I think they just want the attention from all the people in the world. If you notice, most actors who are famous are quite inhumanly attractive (and some only think they are) and they get REAL insulted when you don't recognize who they are . . . In all honesty, I think the real motives behind actors are along the lines of, 'Love me Daddy/Mommy'

But, of course, this is not the case for all . . . I'm talking about the REAL famous and MASSIVELY egotistical of them all. Ya know, all the real DRAMA QUEENS.

But hey, I could be wrong . . . so what? They're only actors and the more attention you give them the more power they gain. Just like teeth. . . ignore them and they'll go away.

ADDITIONAL THOUGHT:
Acting is simply a more glorified version of playing make believe . . . as kids we played make believe in order to help prepare ourselves for life . . . playing house, exploring different jobs (cowboy, policeman, fireman, etc), even if all of this was a fantacy standard, in this way, it is a building up of the self through role models and real life situations. Like the monkeys that mimic their parents . . . or something like that.

Draken
01-13-2005, 09:13 AM
Well guys.

Initially actors and singers performed in Mystery plays. The intention was to involve the audience in a Holy Mystery, not to boost one's ego. The great actors of that day (and of today) are the ones who can make the audience focus on the CONTENT of a play or piece of music, not the particular beauty of one or other actor. The "actors" were "mediators" or "mediums" through which the playwright - or in the case of the archaic Mystery Plays the priests - conveyed the Holy Message of The One. This message can take any form, it doesn't have to be a sermon all the time.

Ahmad.

Of course, acting belongs on the stage, not in real life. On stage, acting has a purpose: the actor portrays a character other than himself for the benefit of the audience, not for the sake of being someone else! The point is that the audience is supposed to recognize THEMSELVES in the character the actor is portraying.

Now, if the actor is Brad Pitt playing a character who tries to fuck as many girls as possible, of course the more intellectually and spiritually challenged people in the audience might recognize themselves. Needless to point out, a film or a play like that is not worth seeing. It is written for the purpose to subvert the audiences' soul and appeal to Man's lower, demonic instincts.

But a Mystery play like Shakespeare's Tempest or A Winter's Tale is a whole different ballgame!

If an actor is playing a character full of chivalric virtues, then the person in the audience who identifies with the character is going to become spiritually uplifted and inspired.

This idea of yours to invent "some new art" where the "actors" talk and explain to the audience all the time what is real and what's not - I don't know. It seems that you really underestimate the general publics' intelligence and that might be justified regarding the general AMERICAN populace! (Although I would personally give also THEM the benefit of the doubt.;-))

It seems both of you - DarkChilde and Ahmad - still are too tied to the way art in general and film and acting in particular works IN AMERICA. Don't you get European films there?

Maybe the devolution of Western civilization has gone so far that it's too late and one really HAS to explain to your audience what to think. That would be really sad.

Ahmad.
Yes, a lot of people get into acting because they want to escape their own life. But what about the ones that want to take part in that wonderful Mystery Play and reach out to the audience and get their Souls to open up and really understand the Beauty of Life? What about them? Do you think they shold become Muslims? Who is going to perform and sing the beautiful Bach Cantatas? Who is going to play King Lear?

Opera is not natural art. I never said it was! No Art is natural, I don't think. It's not supposed to be. Opera is the perfection of a vocal artform to be able to portray as beautifully as one can the music and TELL THE STORY of the opera.
Personally I hate modern opera; composers like Alban Berg or Pierre Boulez. They are crap.
I agree that most of the time opera is exaggerated and "overdramatized" as you put it. But I think Man has been manipulated so much that she can't appreciate anything that is slightly "unnatural", i.e. singing instead of speaking your lines, for instance. Everything has to be "natural" and like "real life". It's terrible. It's killing Art in every form.

It sound like you reject everything the Western Tradition has to offer, even the GOOD things. I don't know why. Maybe you can't recognize a GOOD thing from an EVIL one and reject the whole package, for good measure, just to be safe. That might work for you, but it doesn't work for me. I think Shakespeare's, Bach's and Verdi's works are too beautiful, too inspiring for me to reject, only because it's done badly most of the time. I've seen Shakespeare done in such a way, I was crying of joy for three hours; same with opera. Maybe you haven't experienced that, in which case I'm sorry for you. Maybe you have preconcieved ideas about what opera is like, I don't know.

As for your opinion of Sufis, you obviously haven't looked into it - you seem to reject it for the same reason you seem to reject all art: fear.

If that's the case, then you really are in the NWO's claws.


In All Wellmeaning,

Your Friend

Ahmad
01-13-2005, 09:35 AM
Peace Draken,


Why do you talk to me as if i come from some desert! :)

I am more brainwashed than you think i am!, i have seen alot of movies, not so many operas, been to theatres, listened to various kinds of music, read Shakespear, ..etc

Let's take music for example, i like music that touches my sou, regardless of the country, coming from two very different countries, i think i have found a common line of music between all nations that is more emotional and uniderectional than the chaotic dead music that is surrounding us most of the time.

My two concerns are, the meaningless movies that totally convinces the spectator that what's happening is real (e.g: the passion). 2- The very subtle idea of spying on others! once i read an article about that, people gathering in one dark room, watching from a small bright window other people living, talking privately, even sleeping!

I am still thinking about the whole matter anyway! please give me more examples of good "acting", at the moment i prefer live "demonstration" on acting.


Oh, as for the sufis, i have had a very violent experience with one sufi :) and i know what i am speaking about, most of them worship the dead saints, and glorify them as God.

Draken
01-13-2005, 09:49 AM
Well, I don't know - you MIGHT come from the desert! :-D

As always, one can't generalise. Most sufis might worship dead saints, but not ALL do.
Most films are shit (Hollywood), but not ALL films are made in Hollywood.
Most actors are in it for the boosting of their egos, but not ALL.

Personally I don't watch films made in Hollywood anymore fullstop. I don't care. I've reached my limit and my mind is saturated. I've switched to books and one of my favourite books I've ever read is The Sacred Art of Shakespeare by an English Sufi called Martin Lings. He put his finger on WHY I reacted the way i did when I saw a Shakespeare play performed the way it's supposed to be performed. He's also written a boigraphy of Muhammed.

Regarding your encounter with a violent Sufi - tell me about it!

BTW, a lot of the Sufi orders are by now subverted and radicalised by the NWO/Jewish mafia, but like I said before: not ALL.

Ahmad
01-13-2005, 10:07 AM
Peace Draken,


You still haven't answered me, how could one switch from one personality to another without being untruthfull?

As for the sufi, he wasn't violent, the experience was violent in the sense that it made me question everything i have ever known!

They speak about Muhammad being "a light", and they glorify Muhammad and his lineage to an extreme.

In my religion "Submission", any reverence of other entities than God, whatever it is, a thing or a person is condemned. Even if it was Muhammad, Jesus or any dead saint or martyr.

The satanic agents have indeed subveretd all the religions in parallel, and i am sure that one may find common patterns in all these subversions.

The most obvious is revering the powerless dead prophets and saints. What really puzzles me is the insistence on the blood line! as if the blood and genes transmit some knowledge to the totally separate souls!

Moreover sufis have alot of man-made material that they consider as sacred as God's word (which is in Quran only), and most of all they have many mysteries, why would God make things complicated for us? it is satan who want to i believe.

Ahmad
01-13-2005, 10:09 AM
Sorry, posted twice!

nomad
01-13-2005, 10:44 AM
madkhao wrote:
nomad, is your alter ego born_to_die?

haven't seen him in a while, just wondering.

Yes I decided to change it to something

more positive and born to live forever

was too long.

:-)

get_real
01-13-2005, 11:08 AM
How about "Dungeons and Dragons: the Movie" with Mel Gibson skipping down a yellow brick road in the beginning. (and maybe the end.) :lol:

madkhao
01-13-2005, 11:09 AM
nomad, thankyou for replying.

I knew it!

Hope you don't mind the fact that I exposed you.

:-D

I have a crazy imagination you see, I thought they might have gotten to him or something.

heheh

nomad
01-13-2005, 11:53 AM
"They" surprising enough are not that afraid

of the internet ... if they were they would have

pushed to tax it more. I guess they are

very confident in their grip on us.

Draken
01-13-2005, 04:15 PM
Ok, Ahmad.

It's late over here in Hyperborea and I have to sleep. But just as a teaser I'll quote a fine Irish actor, Gabriel Byrne. He said about acting:

"All actors suffer under the illusion that they play other people, when in fact, they ultimately play themselves."

Meaning I guess that the good actors know they can't play anyone else but themselves and therefore DON'T lie. I think everyone can identify with a wellwritten character, like Hamlet, for instance. He asks the same questions every human being has asked themselves at least once in her lifetime.

I don't think acting is synonymous with faking it. Let me quote myself from an earlier post in the same thread:

"When cinema is used in a beneficial way actors and directors are not liars; they tell the Truth. For example, I love Shakespeare. He tells the Truth, that's why he's so good."

I have to go for now but I'd gladly develop this theory next time I have a little more time!

Until then - ciao. Good Night and God Bless!

nomad
01-16-2005, 11:54 AM
http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/07/80/32m.jpg

The Princess Diaries.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/images/Royal_F1_4b_background.jpg

NWO Objective:

Brainwash the next generation of young people

to believe that Royals are to be idolized and

it is normal that they even exist and that

we are subjectated to them. The poor giving

to the rich is as normal as breathing.

lynns_shadow
01-16-2005, 09:29 PM
wry and ironic

Well I composed a several paragraph piece about this here..in the last 10 minutes.

However the evil-beast-nasty soup nazi system ate it all up.

Kinda like a big mac..
*gulp..
*gulp..

Too pooped to pop now folks, that was my swansong o the day ;-)

blame it on the boogie..I 'spose..

Draken
01-17-2005, 03:38 AM
Ahmad!

Here follows my view of acting, as in GOOD acting, for a GOOD cause.

The most important thing for a serious actor to have is imagination. The point being, being able to imagine what the character he/she is supposed to portray feels and why and - this is absolutely the most crucial detail - find it in himself.

This is the beauty of acting: by playing another character, like Hamlet for example, you end up - if you are honest and cincere and brave! - learning about yourself.

If the actor is able to find these qualities within himself then he DOES NOT LIE.

So really, the only remotely possible "manipulation" going on, the actor is doing to himself NOT the audience, although I wouldn't call it manipulation. It's more like contemplation or meditation. The actor needs to study himself and all his opinions, reactions, preconceptions, FEARS - he simply needs to get to know himself.

Personally I think getting to know myself (now speaking outside this current discussion) is what it's all about. We have ALL the answers within ourselves. Therefore to study oneself is THE best way to find Answers on a higher plane.

For sure, you will find dark corners; aspects of yourself you don't find very attractive; facets of your personality you don't want your friends to know about. But confronting one's fears and negative sides is the only way to identify the problem, transform it to something positive and move on.

This is why I think acting, when performed for the RIGHT REASON, is a way to deeper insights and the actor will not only get to know himself, but he will get to know his Self, which is inseparable from God.

This is what all GOOD Art should be about.

Max
01-17-2005, 11:54 AM
Nomad- I totally agree with you on the "royalty" point-- same could be said for most all Disney movies-- seems there's always some princess or prince in them. Just part of the conditioning process that starts at a very young age.

nomad
01-17-2005, 11:58 AM
Max wrote:
Nomad- I totally agree with you on the "royalty" point-- same could be said for most all Disney movies-- seems there's always some princess or prince in them. Just part of the conditioning process that starts at a very young age.


Yeah and by the time you become an adult

you don't realize how LUDICROUS the Royalty

system is ... I mean come on, the poor financially

supporting the filthy stinking rich ???

madkhao
01-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Since this thread is on the topic of royal bloodline, check this site out..

The Serpent Grail:
The Dark Secret of the Holy Grail and the Elixir
By Philip Gardiner with Gary Osborn
Coming May 2005 from Watkins Publishing

Also coming to television sometime next year

http://www.gardinerosborn.com/

nohope187
04-10-2005, 05:39 PM
Yeahhea, I found it! Star Wars episode III: Revenge of the Sith, everone go see it!
XXX State of the Union, everyone go see it!
The Interpretor, everyone go see it!
War of the Worlds, everyone go see it!
The Last 100 Yards, everyone go see it!
Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, um I don't know if there's any NWO content in there, but I'm still gonna go see it. Everyone knows what to do now right? Good. :-P

truebeliever
04-10-2005, 08:18 PM
Is Lucas working for the Force or against it?

His entire work is supposed to be anti-totalitarian...i hope he does'nt dissapoint.

nohope187
04-12-2005, 01:18 PM
I think George Lucas is somewhat against the Force. This next movie (episode III coming out is supposed to be kinda like an outline of how anti-christ comes to power. Lucas himself said this movie is supposed to be as powerfully dramatic as Titanic. We'll see about that, won't we? :-P

Draken
04-12-2005, 02:20 PM
Titanic????

You jest.

Lucas is NWO to his last drop of blood.

Star Wars is 100% NWO.

And he can't write a script to save his life.

truebeliever
04-12-2005, 06:51 PM
Now Now! Lucas is NWO 'Lite'.

He's a Jungian through and through.

Joseph Campbell (mythologist) basically wrote the Star Wars theme for him.

Stop treading on my dreams! No, no, no, no...not Star Wars! Anything but Star Wars! All the fond childhood memories! Hitting my sister on the head with a broomstick frequently making the vroooom, vroooom noise of my light sabre!

It's to much.

nomad
04-12-2005, 07:01 PM
Interesting how the NWO wants you to believe

that fighting for a princess will be part of

the future ... some things will never change.

truebeliever
04-12-2005, 07:09 PM
Well, NOMAD, true. It's a reasonable assumption.

However, as a balance...Princes and Princesses have been a part of the common story for....?

We can read an awful lot, into alot of things.

However. I beleive Lucas is sincere. His story is a good attempt at mirroring the rise of a totalitarian State...from Republic to Empire...the use of manufactured war to justify the build up of the Empire is spot on.

I see more good than bad here.

Beleive me NOMAD, in a contest of who vomits the furtherest when Royalty appears on the telly...I WOULD WIN!

We could analyse NWO themes endlessly from Bothers Grimm fairytales.

Besides...Natalie Portman is a honey..."yes, yes my Queen...i am a lowly peasant..."

nohope187
04-12-2005, 08:34 PM
Yeah, I concurr that Natalie Portman is a hottie. But seriously, Spielberg really did say this movie would be just as good if not better than Titanic. :-P

truebeliever
04-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Wow! Cant wait! Will there be a lovy dovy scene in a space shuttle with the windows fogged up?

Did you know that in the end of Titanic when they merge into a group photo op...they did that coz the test audiences said the movie was to sad to watch again...so they added in a smily and clapping bit of the actors so American audiences would'nt get to depressed and not give their money a second time.

nohope187
04-12-2005, 09:23 PM
Pure cheese, man. Anything for an extra buck, right? :-P

Draken
04-13-2005, 03:15 AM
Let me just say that I know anyone can interpret films and read anything they like into them, but I think we should not dismiss these kinds of analyses.
I've read reviews of Harry Potter complaining the books and films indoctrinate and invite children to explore and desensitize them to occultism (of the evil kind). I think it's the same with Star Wars and many other films, especially science fiction.

Of course people can rightfully claim that for example Stanley Kubrick worked both FOR and AGAINST the NWO, depending on who you talk to.

Decide for yourselves.

If you ask Michael A. Hoffman II. he would say this Hollywood agenda is part of the "Invocation of Catastrophe" masterplan and "The Revelation of the Method".

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<a href="http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/magestic12.htm">Conditioning through movies</a>

The propaganda attack against the American People continues through movies. In Star Wars Luke Skywalker (Apollo, Horus, Osiris), the SON of a widow (initiate) goes in search of himself (Secret, lost Word, or Great Work). Jedi Knight Darth Vader (Osiris, Sun Father, Apollo, Doctrine, Lucifer, Master of the FORCE [magic] who has gone over to the Darkside (religion, nationalism, superstition) separates the Princess (the title signifies BECOMING) Lea (Isis - Moon - Church) from the Doctrine (illumination).

Luke falls in love with Lea and begins a sexless, but spiritual relationship with the Princess. This mystical union produces the child HORUS (falcon headed God) which, in the movie, is personified in the illumination of Luke transforming him into an Adept or Priest (Jedi Knight - Sun Son - Adept - Reincarnated Osiris - Apollo - God - Doctrine). He embarks upon a Quest in the Millenium (saviors always return at the millenium) Falcon (Horus as savior) to rescue Princess Lea which results in a confrontation with Vader who imparts knowledge (Intelligence - Fire) resulting in Luke finding the Holy Grail (Bloodline, Identity, Lost Word, Obelisk, Penis, Creative Force, apotheosis). With this knowledge he succeeds in reuniting (uniting in marriage) the Force (doctrine) with Princess Lea (Church) which reestablishes the Order of Jedi Knights (Congregation - full body of Adepts or Priests - sixth root race - evolved and matured mankind - God Race, Horus) producing chaos, rebellion, and the establishment of the New Dawn on the horizon (Horus Risen), the New Age, the New Atlantis, a New World Order, the socialist utopian world.

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(Excerpt from <a href="http://www.mkzine.com/Essays/Film-Manchurian.html">THIS ARTICLE</a>)
Because the public’s ability to read fiction’s images and symbols is finally disabled after years of “entertainment,” so there is no longer any danger in revealing the truth, as long as it is revealed in the guise of fiction. Turn the truth into entertainment and watch literalist critics like Blackwelder interpret a director’s bold attempt to choreograph sophisticated mind control technology and its side effects of lost time and dreamscapes as mere sci-fi “B-movie machinations.” No, Mr. Blackwelder, it is your perception that is B-grade. Arthur C. Clarke’s sage insight now falls on deaf ears: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

This public process of mind control – perception control – is what <a href="http://www.revisionisthistory.org/">Michael A. Hoffman</a> explores in his excellent little book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. (Which I have read./Draken) The remake of The Manchurian Candidate goes further than its predecessor in revealing just how this magical technology is done because no one will take it seriously today; everyone will just watch and think it’s science fiction. Now you see the truth, now you don’t.

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<a href="http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=6580">PROJECT BLUE BEAM</a>

The Blue Beam Project will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old, as major an event as that which occurred 2,000 years ago.
In principle, it will make use of the skies as a movie screen (on the sodium layer at about 60 miles) as space-based laser-generating satellites project
simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet in every language and dialect according to the region. (Is this the objective of chemtrails?/Draken) It deals with the religious aspect of the new world order and is deception and seduction on a massive scale.

Computers will coordinate the satellites and software already in place will run the sky show. Holographic images are based on nearly identical signals
combining to produce an image or hologram with deep perspective which is equally applicable to acoustic ELF, VLF and LF waves and optical phenomena.

Specifically, the show will consist of multiple holographic images to different parts of the world, each receiving a different image according to the specific national, regional religion. Not a single area will be excluded.

With computer animation and sounds appearing to emanate from the very depths of space, astonished ardent followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned messaihs in convincing lifelike reality.

Then the projections of Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, Krishna, etc., will merge into one after correct explanations of the mysteries and revelations will have been disclosed. This one god will, in fact, be the antichrist, who will explain that the various scriptures have been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and that the religions of old are responsible for turning brother against brother, and nation against nation, therefore old religions must be abolished to make way for the new age new world religion, representing the one god antichrist they see before them.

Naturally, this superbly staged falsification will result in dissolved social and religious disorder on a grand scale, each nation blaming the other for the deception, setting loose millions of programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never witnessed before.

In addition, this event will occur at a time of profound worldwide political anarchy and general tumult created by some worldwide catastrophe. The United Nation even now plans to use Beethovan's "Song of Joy" as the anthem for the introduction for the new age one world religion.

The infamous NASA Blue Beam Project has four different steps in order to implement the new age religion with the antichrist at its head. We must remember that the new age religion is the very foundation for the new world government, without which religion the dictatorship of the new world order is completely impossible.

I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the new age religion, the success of the new world order will be impossible!

That is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, but has been so well hidden until now.

The first step concerns the breakdown of all archeological knowledge. It deals with the setup with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet where, supposedly, new discoveries will finally explain to all people the error of all fundamental religious doctrines. The falsifaction of this information will be used to make all nations believe that their religious doctrines have been misunderstood for centuries and misinterpreted. Psychological preparations for that first step have already been implemented with the film, <a href="http://www.geocities.com/robo7070/kubrik/">"2001: A Space Oddessy;"</a> the StarTrek series, and "Star Wars;" all of which deal with invasions from
space and the coming together of all nations to repel the invaders. The last films, "Jurrassic Park," deals with the theories of evolution, and claim God's words are lies.

What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will possible for scientists to re-discover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious
doctrines.

This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the
planet. To do that, they need some false "proof" from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood.

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<a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/political/media03.html">Illuminati Mass Indoctrination Through Popular Hollywood Movies</a>

Ready to watch some movies? If you’ve made it this far, then you can see that Svali’s words are a lot to take in. The one major area that has not been covered so far is the heavy Illuminist indoctrination of Hollywood. We know of only one movie that was directly intended to expose this Hollywood indoctrination – Mulholland Drive by David Lynch.

After reading a healthy dose of Svali, the bizarre, frightening Mulholland Drive makes perfect sense – mafia / Illuminist control of Hollywood movie production, the frightening blackmail character known as "the Cowboy," (probably indicative of Bush Administration and cronies,) mind-controlled attractive blonde females preferentially given movie roles by Mafia honchos despite lack of talent, a demon that actually manifests at the end of the movie and is holding a blue box and key symbolic of mind control techniques, the betrayal of friends at the hands of others, hidden assassinations, Luciferian nighttime rituals featuring an opera singer and magician with supernatural evil events, et cetera. Most people say they do not understand this movie.

Also, the Stanley Kubrick movie Eyes Wide Shut was another major whistle-blower on the Illuminati, designed to raise public awareness. Cruise is a doctor who gains access to a cult ritual at a very high-class mansion where its participants are all wearing black robes and masks. There is a ceremonial section followed by group-orgy sections, all the while with the participants still wearing their masks. Cruise is discovered and caught, summoned before the red-robed leader and is ominously told to "remove his clothes," probably leading to group ritual death. Then a female he previously knew and recognized at the party dramatically announces from a balcony that she will "offer herself for him."

Cruise is then set free, and warned that if he tells anyone what he saw here tonight, "there will be the most dire consequences – for you and your family." Both the girl, who he had met before the event and recognized, as well as his piano-playing friend who got him in, end up dying under very suspicious circumstances. A prominent friend of Cruise’s, played by Sidney Gottlieb, comes clean at having seen him at the event, and says, "If I told you who was there – and I’m not going to tell you, but if I did tell you – you wouldn’t sleep so well." He tells his wife about the whole thing and they decide to forget it ever happened, thus living life with their "Eyes Wide Shut."

Kubrick kept the content of the movie extremely secret, selling it only as being heavily sexual in nature. However, on the day before it premiered, Kubrick was found dead in his sleep. Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman both express extreme signs of tension on the DVD when interviewed about Kubrick’s death, Kidman actually crying.

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Such movies as direct as these are very few in number, another being "The Skulls," which exposed the Skull and Bones society (and is crap, maybe even on purpose./Draken). In a more symbolic, less literal sense, the three-part Lord of the Rings series is a direct prophecy of the defeat of the Illuminati, which Tolkien never publicly admitted though the connections are obvious. George Lucas’ Star Wars series, largely based on Lord of the Rings and a study of Joseph Campbell’s archetypes, also presents the same conclusion at the end of Episode VI, Return of the Jedi, where Darth Vader betrays the evil Emperor and regains his former identity as the Jedi Anakin Skywalker.

Outside of these specific examples and a few others, a vastly larger number of well-funded movies feed directly into the Illuminati agenda. Indeed, this appears to be perhaps the primary way in which Illuminati philosophies are being taught to people, especially the younger generation, through movies that specifically target them.

As one political example, it is very interesting that the Disney-based 2001 movie Pearl Harbor was, for its time of release, the most expensive movie ever made, at an estimated budget of over 135 million dollars. This was bragged about as part of a multiple-choice Q&A in the opening slides at Lowe’s Cinemas for about one year thereafter. It was released just months before the September 11th event – effectively rewriting history to remove all evidence of foreknowledge that such an event would strike. Svali indicates elsewhere that the Illuminati are very heavily involved with the production of Hollywood movies, and have more than enough money to fund the most expensive projects.

After reading and studying the data within Svali’s online articles, many movies can be seen to present the Illuminati agenda very directly. She only mentions Fight Club, Starship Troopers and Matrix on her website, but over an extended time we have observed that there is always at least one movie in the theaters that has some degree of Illuminati agenda within it. Outside of an immense number of horror movies, including heavily disturbing horror classics Rosemary’s Baby, The Devils, The Amityville Horror Series, The Omen Series, The Exorcist Series, Friday the 13th / Jason Series, Nightmare on Elm St. / Freddy Krueger Series, The Seventh Seal with Demi Moore and recently Stigmata.

truebeliever
04-13-2005, 04:12 AM
Nay, i will not accept your reasonable analysis...ah yes repression...a beautiful thing...

Now back to my Star Wars marathon session..."watch out Luke, he's really your Dad"!

Draken
04-13-2005, 04:34 AM
Hehe... Ruined your childhood memories, did I?;-)

Check out the summaries of these films, quite perceptive too:

<a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/political/media03.html">The movies that most prominently display Illuminist teachings would include</a>:

The Lawnmower Man:

* Direct computer-generated Illuminati symbols, including geometry, throughout the movie
* the idea of personal "gnosis" where an initially very ignorant man can use drugs and VR to gain esoteric knowledge and "become God"
* Catholic father of main character viewed as totally evil, given a horrible Crucifixion-style flaming death
* "Illuminated" anti-hero then takes over the whole world via its computer systems, even though he had apparently been defeated

Independence Day:

* Star power of Will Smith
* Extraterrestrials are evil and the government will save us for our own good

Starship Troopers:

* Very specific Illuminati images and themes including All-Seeing Eye, again including "evil aliens" – Svali indicates it is "loaded" with Illuminati "inside jokes"
* soldiers placed into impossibly desperate situations with little or no emotion

Total Recall:

* Star power of Arnold Schwarzenegger
* mind control / alternate compartmentalized identities created in Arnold through drugs and advanced technology
* Arnold becomes a problem for his trainers when he achieves "total recall," realizing that his memories are falsely implanted and that his wife is simply an agent assigned to keep him in check – he later shoots her in the head, saying "Consider this a divorce"
* after Arnold has made significant progress, an overweight ‘trainer’ tries to convince him that he is delusional and really is nothing more than his "screen self." Arnold almost believes him, until he sees sweat roll down the man’s face
* near the end of the movie, Arnold discovers that his former self was evil and working in cahoots with the government villains, specifically intending to betray the newer self that he would become if / when he achieved "Total Recall"
* he is also betrayed by the African-American man who initially seems to be one of his two closest allies
* a pyramid is found on Mars that contains very ancient advanced technology that terra-forms the planet, but it is never clearly or obviously shown from the outside
* Illuminist "New World Order" is created as new Martian atmosphere erupts from the top of "Pyramid Mountain," like the Illuminist Eye and Pyramid symbol, caused by Arnold’s activation of the giant machine inside – again, the pyramid is indistinct enough that many movie viewers would not consciously think of it as a pyramid

Fight Club:

* Star power of Brad Pitt
* opening moments of DVD contain "special message" from anarchist lead character Tyler Durdon, framed to look like standard Interpol copyright warning, encouraging viewer to adopt Durdon’s tactics and "break free"
* mind control / alternate compartmentalized identities created in lead character through sleep deprivation and substance abuse
* extremely distressing scenes of shock violence throughout movie, including beating one’s own self to a bloodied state
* betrayal of waking self by "alter" within self known as Tyler Durdon, hallucinated as a separate person who the lead character is interacting with
* soap is made from human flesh as Durdon’s front organization for deeper conspiracies
* "alter" played by Brad Pitt leads secret societies to gather together, originally to fight each other but ultimately with intent of overthrowing government
* Durdon: "Rule number one – Do not talk about Fight Club. Rule number two – Do not talk about Fight Club!"
* by end of movie, entire urban police force has been compromised into Fight Club
* the movie presents blueprints for inspiring the public to form similar groups, which could then be infiltrated by Illuminati and used as "assets"
* suicide seen as final, non-lethal solution to personal problems – bullet goes through neck and character is "fine"
* final image remarkably like Twin Tower collapse well before it actually happened – two towers collapse with male and female characters watching, knowing that the lead character’s dissociated ‘alter’ self had set it up and he did not have time to stop it

The Cell:

* Horrific scenes of violence, barbarism and cruelty
* star power of Jennifer Lopez as person who enters the mind of rapist/murderer played by Vincent D’Onofrio
* symbolic connection between murderer and Jesus via "horizontal crucifixion" image through hanging himself in crucifixion position via chains attached to hooks within his arms, legs and back
* murderer literally "bleaches" his victims white as symbol of disagreed-with Christian virtue draining people of life
* D’Onofrio watches woman drowning in water tank via remote video while pleasuring himself sexually in horizontal crucifixion position hovering over "bleached" body of previous victim – symbol of intense hatred of Jesus and his apparent joy in causing others to suffer through "repressive moral dictates"
* Lopez takes on direct image of Isis (female aspect of Lucifer) at end of film
* Lopez / Isis ritualistically murders demonic-appearing D’Onofrio within his dreams through crucifixion by crossbow, arrows going through wrists and feet, indicative of severe Illuminist hatred of the ‘demon’ Jesus
* child "alter" of D’Onofrio is then drowned Christian baptism-style, even though he could be forgiven or helped to change – no compassion, just murder
* DVD contains special features which interview the person to see if they have the qualities necessary to participate in possible future research where they would "enter the mind of a killer," like the FBI agents in the film, and the DVD asks to upload the results to the Internet – thus sniffing out potential recruits; if the questions are answered showing high intelligence and compassion for such a murderous person, an "excellent" score is given

The Devil’s Advocate:

* Star power of Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino
* devil (Lucifer) is involved with law and politics, protecting pedophiles and black magic practitioners
* shape-shifting demonic associates of Pacino’s create suicide-style arranged murders
* Pacino / devil desires to breed an "anti-Christ"
* Reeves’ wife is convinced to change her entire appearance and later raped by devil, betrayed and demeaned by demonic associates, and driven to violent suicide
* Reeves himself is portrayed as half-devil in nature
* Reeves’ Fundamentalist Christian mother used to be rebellious and had sex with the devil, creating human/devil baby, and then went Christian out of guilt over her own past
* Pacino’s final speech is a perfect soliloquy on Illuminist doctrine – the devil rules the Earth, God has abandoned us and doesn’t care, the devil cares for us more than God, et cetera
* Reeves shoots himself in the head and is then shown with his wings as Lucifer, the fallen angel, who quite literally "falls" into a swirling pit at this point, apparently having killed himself
* this suicide is then portrayed as the "solution" that turns time back to the very first scene in the movie, bringing back his wife and his former life with the opportunity to make new choices that are not as evil
* devil not defeated at movie’s conclusion, camouflages himself as others who Reeves interacts with in a hopeful fashion, unknowingly betrayed

The Game:

* Star power of Michael Douglas and Sean Penn
* Illuminati image on DVD cover of Douglas’ head as puzzle pieces
* company called "CRS" invites Douglas to "make his life fun"
* non-stop paranoid nightmare ensues where TVs speak to him and entire world seems to be watching his every move
* a number of lethal situations occur that Douglas narrowly escapes, including being shot at with obviously real bullets
* all attempts to stop CRS (Illuminati) are futile
* Douglas finally locates CRS building and employees and escapes to the rooftop
* he is led through great fear of being cornered on roof to shoot at those sawing through a door, apparently coming to kill him
* incredible shock and betrayal as he ends up shooting his own brother who is part of surprise party – it was all a "setup" all along but now his brother is bleeding to death
* intense grief leads him to commit suicide by jumping off the building
* staff is now watching attentively to make sure that he is not hurt
* Douglas falls through breakaway glass onto padded safety mat below
* CRS is revealed to have set up his suicide attempt to "free" him
* all efforts to kill him by CRS, despite real bullets shooting holes in walls and destroying car tires, are presented as fake setups, in the interest of "enlightening" him through fear and trauma, similar to fear-inducing Masonic initiation rites
* killing self then reinforced as the solution to all the paranoia, fear and misery as he is suddenly love-bombed and celebrated by those who had betrayed him after jumping to his apparent death

Conspiracy Theory:

* Star power of Mel Gibson
* public disclosure of MK-ULTRA and related mind-control programs through drugs, hypnosis and electroshock
* "joking" suggestion at the beginning that technology brought up on Space Shuttle is used to create earthquakes, among other tidbits
* connection to Disney-style cartoons used as mind control programming tools
* portrayal of mind control victims as helpless, hyper-paranoid, unstable and dangerous

A Beautiful Mind:

* Star power of Russell Crowe just after success of "Gladiator"
* subliminal image of handgun in Venetian blinds on DVD cover
* several visible "alters" who talk and interact with Crowe – roommate, military leader, young girl - but all turn out to be dissociative, hallucinated "alters" within his own fragmented personality
* reframing of those who criticize government and look for "conspiracy theories" as being deluded nutcases who can become very dangerous to their wives and children
* no resolution until he completely acknowledges that all of his ideas are "delusions"
* movie was widely chastised by film critics as having little or nothing to do with the real person’s autobiography, though presented as "based on a true story" – it was concocted for the Illuminati agenda

Signs:

* Star power of Mel Gibson
* crop formations are signs of pending alien invasion and nothing more
* encounters with demonic aliens leads to renewal of his Christian faith
* unexplained "Divine Intervention" stops otherwise-hopeless world-annihilating situation

X-Men I:

* Star power of Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart and others
* members of Government compromised or impersonated for sinister agendas
* Illuminist beliefs of "gnosis" leading to "mutations" where Man Becomes God, which the Illuminati believe will occur in the future
* near-invincible power of evil leader Magneto
* torch of Isis (Statue of Liberty) used as launch-point for planet-wide energy wave to cause humanity to "mutate" (become Illuminati or die)
* Wolverine victim of Nazi-style mind control and biological experimentation / implantation of metal skeleton, dissociative and unable to consciously remember

X-Men II:

* Star power of Halle Berry and others
* blue devil character who says Catholic prayers and hangs out in churches seen as "good guy"
* devil character attacks and intimidates President in beginning and is nearly invincible
* tells President not to mess with mutants’ (Illuminati) freedom
* blue devil perches smiling next to picture of George Washington at end while "time is stopped" and President is again intimidated to support mutant agenda
* military man is primary villain, architect of Wolverine’s Nazi-style torture, betrays his own son for use as mind control slave
* fluid from son’s brain acts as mind-control serum, son is also very telepathic and able to remote-influence others’ actions
* villain’s son has dissociated "alter" self as young boy which is used to manipulate Patrick Stewart’s mind

The Matrix:

* Star power of Reeves and Fishburne
* early statement of "You’re my savior, man, my own personal Jesus Christ" as foreshadowing
* CIA-style ‘agents’ have super-human abilities
* physical reality is a highly-controlled "Matrix", a computer-simulated "prison for your mind" that one must be "freed" from
* image of "psychic surgery" by negative secret government ages through sperm-style implant placed in Reeves’ navel
* computer hacker becomes "the One" through personal gnosis, prophesied to "control the Matrix as he saw fit" and free humanity
* anyone not of Zion / Illuminati is "not one of us… one of them," a potential Agent and therefore easily able to be murdered as a non-person, simply recycled (reincarnated) and put back into the Matrix again
* Neo becomes increasingly violent as he is "enlightened"
* Morpheus drugged and shocked (mind control) by "agents" to reveal "the keys to Zion" stored within his brain "like a computer", similar to Illuminati MK-ULTRA "couriers"
* Wachowski brothers refuse to give interviews and remain very secretive and distant from public view

The Matrix Reloaded:

* Reeves, as the Jesus figure "the One," finds out at end that he is the sixth person to occupy this role
* Neo also finds out that he has merged with the evil Agent Smith, hence he is "the One," the summary of the good and evil characters (alters) constantly warring within and controlling both the Matrix as well as the so-called ‘real world’
* negative ‘alter’ of Neo as Agent Smith is capable of endlessly cloning himself, symbol of complex polyfragmented mind control victim
* character named the "Merovingian" is heavily suggested to be the first incarnation of the One, but went negative and escaped "deletion" – the Illuminists believe that the "bloodline of the Holy Grail" is the secret that Jesus physically survived the Crucifixion, married Mary of Magdalene and migrated to France, thereby forming the "Merovingian" line of kings
* "Merovingian" teaches that there is no free will, we do not have a choice – all is the result of "causality, cause and effect, action and reaction"
* Female companion of Merovingian is obviously the "highly intuitive program" referred to by the Architect who is the "Mother" of the Matrix – symbolic of Isis (female aspect of Lucifer) keeping a watchful eye over Christianity (the Merovingian bloodline) and betraying them as necessary
* "the Architect of the Matrix" is the spitting image of Sigmund Freud, who made major advances that strongly supported the rise of mind control techniques – American Psychological Association (APA) heavily Illuminati-compromised
* the six generations of the One revealed by the Architect are symbolic of Illuminist belief that previous Christlike teachers such as Horus, Mithras and Zeus possess initial spiritual insights of great power and are then corrupted into a religious cult as a tool to control the masses through politics and spirituality, but with a small percentage always resisting
* those who resist the old teachings are still also under Illuminist control via the city of "Zion"
* in each of the six cycles of the Matrix, the resistance finally grows too great and the Architect dissolves the current Matrix (religious / political structure) and fabricates the next savior to begin the process of social control again
* further Illuminist symbolism of this concept is presented when Neo fights the Merovingian’s goons in room with giant Illuminati symbol in the floor and with full-sized white statues of Greek gods crashing and falling during the fight – symbols of previous "Ones" like Neo who had fallen
* Neo realizes at end of film that he controls the machines, even outside the Matrix – he IS the One… he IS the Matrix, the Illuminist idea of Man Becomes God… to kill the Matrix he will have to kill himself in the third movie – the Oracle cannot do this herself as she is a computer program, so she must get a human to do it by his own free will – again, suicide leads to resolution

Face / Off:

* Star power: John Travolta and Nicholas Cage
* murderous villain (Cage) is identity-switched with law officer (Travolta), symbolic of mind control / alternate personalities within one person
* betrayal of Travolta’s daughter by her own father possessed by "alter" of Cage, including licking her face and saying that he wants to have sex with her
* two characters are essentially the same person, battling each other, and the exchange of gunfire is said to be "fun"
* final action scene takes place in Christian setting, complete with flying doves, Illuminist contortions of Christian images and zipping bullets

Tomb Raider:

* Star power of Angelina Jolie
* ultra-wealthy woman as female superhero
* alternately cooperates with and fights against group quite literally referred to as "the Illuminati"
* Illuminati are said to be "the good guys" in the deleted scenes section of the DVD, controlling and scripting world events for the good of humanity
* her own father turns out to be Illuminati and was murdered for betraying the Order
* movie positively loaded with Illuminati symbols, including triangle with All-Seeing Eye, from start to finish
* central quest is for "the ability to control time and become God" at conclusion of "5,000-year alignment,"
* (Mayan Calendar is 5,125 years in length and comes into "alignment" in 2012, only eight years before the Illuminati plan for when their "New World Order" will emerge)
* leader of Illuminati is betrayed and murdered by next-in-command villain at end
* Jolie and central villain both go through time portal and are then seen to be running up Illuminist Great Pyramid image, complete with brilliantly shining, rotating All-Seeing Eye at the top
* Jolie captures the Eye first and uses it to travel back in time, kill villain and rescue friend / would-be lover
* Jolie meets father in afterdeath state who tells her to turn back, release the power and destroy the "key", which is Illuminist triangle with Eye, but only after she has already used it to commit murder
* Next installment soon to be released will obviously continue Illuminist themes, as will League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

The Core:

* Ever-increasingly severe earth changes can be stopped by secret government program to enter the Earth’s core and re-commence its rotation
* the military / government (Illuminati) will "save us" from Earth Changes, so we need to ally with them

DareDevil:

* Star power of Ben Affleck
* possibly as a response to immense popularity of non-Illuminist "Spider-Man" from Sony
* casts "the Devil" (Lucifer) as the superhero, played by Affleck
* opening scene shows tears of blood on stained-glass statue of Mary
* blood comes from DareDevil character who is placed above all other Christian symbols on church, symbol of how Illuminists have suffered at the hands of Christians while still remaining "above" them
* DareDevil’s father was boxer known as "The Devil"
* son is betrayed by catching father dressed as a bum and robbing another person
* son "does not want to see" the Devil’s actions in this case and is immediately blinded by toxic waste accident – symbolic of mind control programming to cause a person to dissociate and become amnesic if exposed to Illuminist negativity
* son’s blindness leads to gnosis, creating Godlike powers through super-human hearing ability – also a symbol of how cult members’ waking-self blindness to their own compartmentalized ‘alters’ gives them great power
* soul-less courtship with female interest through fighting and violence
* DareDevil is a lawyer by day and exacts vigilante justice by night if legal process does not work, with no care for how many innocents are killed in process
* DareDevil sleeps in coffin like vampire
* key villain "Kingpin" as the "head of all crime in the city" says that it is "all business, never personal" at end
* very distorted parody of Jesus as the villain "Bullseye"
* hangs out with riff-raff in bars as Jesus had done
* bears "mark of the Beast" as bullseye image on forehead, as Illuminists believe Jesus is actually evil
* Bullseye / Jesus kills people by stifling their ability to speak (shooting some form of darts into their throat or peanuts into their mouth to choke them,)
* Jesus / Bullseye dies in a cathedral by being shot through the hands as direct crucifixion image, making the clear connection to Jesus but without time for the viewer to put together all the clues consciously
* at end, DareDevil announces himself as "guardian devil" ruler over the city as opposite of guardian angel
* reinforcement of idea that we need Luciferian Illuminati to protect us, that Lucifer is our hero and savior, directly opposing the Christlike qualities of Spider-Man, which was a vastly more successful film at the box office

The Hulk:

* Military-inspired drugs and radiation lead the hero to take on Godlike powers
* hero’s anger creates dissociative state, leading him to flip into a completely different personality, becoming giant green monster with immense strength
* father (symbol of Lucifer) conducts military experiments with tissue regeneration that lead to mutated son and his own ability to blend himself into any physical object – symbol of Lucifer’s omnipresent nature, able to be "everywhere and nowhere," like the Agents in The Matrix
* hero has dissociated traumatic memory of father attacking him with a knife as a child, which he takes most of the movie and heavy prompting from military officials to recall
* hero also dissociates most memory of what he does while transformed into the Hulk
* significant betrayal by father who says "pour all your hatred into me" at end
* image of little poly-fragmented faces all combining together into hero’s face – classic symbol of mind control / artificially induced multiple personality disorder right out of Svali’s writings – before exploding, and sending all of his power into father
* father then becomes gigantic 100-foot tall mushroom-blob-like menace, similar to "the Blob" which was symbolic of Communist "invasion" of US
* military forces nuke with gamma radiation, stopping the Blob, but hero is unhurt
* again, hero’s apparent suicide and giving of all life energy to "father" (Lucifer) leads to positive outcome, end of pain and paranoia

Terminator III:

* Star power of Arnold Schwarzenegger
* gorgeous blonde female as programmed robotic assassin without the slightest compassion (MK-ULTRA female courier / assassin / prostitute)
* assassin can assume image of others, who are then acting to deceive and kill as if under mind control
* hero who resists "the machines" as heroin junkie who already knows he will die
* Skynet system created by Internet which takes over the world as fearsome / unstoppable force – hence an attempt to lay groundwork for public fear of Internet, which is seen as a major problem for Illuminati plans (see Part Five)
* nuclear war is inevitable and only members of underground government bunkers survive to repopulate the Earth
* graphic depiction of Earth being nuked to death, seen with detachment, almost reverence

Summary

Taken together as a body of data and compared with Svali’s information, this collection of movies gives concrete proof that an organized group called the Illuminati does indeed exist, and is funding multi-million-dollar popular movies as vehicles to promote their agenda. Out of all the movies we have shared here, Dare Devil could well be one of the most daring, blunt and audacious presentations of the Illuminist agenda, directly turning Lucifer into a superhero and having a villain that is quite directly associated with Jesus, made most blatant when a bullet goes through both palms while they battle in a church. Then, just add the textual content of Pacino’s speech at the end of Devil’s Advocate, the de-facto disclosure of Martian monuments and a plan to colonize Mars in Total Recall, and the belief in the conclusion of a 5000-year "alignment" in Tomb Raider. Each movie contains pieces of the puzzle.

Undoubtedly there are many other examples that we have not given here, but as we can see, the Illuminati are actively installing their content into the public mind, hoping that when a deliberately-manufactured global crisis ensues, the public will accept the indoctrinated philosophies. It is likely that when this hypothetical Illuminist disclosure occurs, they will reveal exactly when, where, why and how they presented their agenda, including the above movies as part of a far-longer list.

Their obvious intention is that almost everyone will have a "favorite movie" on the list that can be shown in some way to have presented the Illuminist agenda, thus creating a sense of betrayal and acquiescence to the agenda. Many movies are fomenting a deep public hatred of Fundamentalist Christians, (and it is likely that the Illuminati consider this group their strongest public adversary,) thus hoping that the way will be paved for the public to accept of the denial of the human rights of this group unless they conform.

Saturnino
04-13-2005, 07:57 AM
Draken,

Excellent post. Better to leave the TV off.

truebeliever
04-13-2005, 08:47 AM
I've posted a short WMV on my site...it's the cross that appears at the end of every Matrix film. What is it's significance?

Also, Harvey and Bob Weinstein...they are the producers for every Matrix plus a recent supposed anti-establishment film "Equilibrium"...basically a complete rip off of 1984 with a few fanct gunfight scenes thrown in.

www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

BTW...in Equilibrium, they call the special 'preist' caste a tetragrammaton...name of God or something?

get_real
04-13-2005, 09:05 AM
nohope187 wrote:
Pure cheese, man. Anything for an extra buck, right? :-P

"where's the beef!"

Draken
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general64/decon.htm">Deconstructing Hollywood Mind-Control
Subliminal Propaganda Sleazes Onto The Big Screen</a>
By Mark Green and Wendy Campbell
4-16-5

Edison may have invented the 'motion picture' - but Jewish immigrants from Europe created Hollywood. (Read 'How The Jews Invented Hollywood' by Neal Gabler) Remarkably, in the century since Meyer, the Warner Brothers and a handful of other Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants who began the 'studio system', Hollywood maintains a distinctly Yiddish accent. Some critics, however, posit that Hollywood doesn't play fair, since it employs the mesmerizing power of cinema to manipulate the mindset of complacent viewers. How? By relentlessly injecting sordid scenarios and denigrating images of once-respected American archetypes and institutions. Current targets: the Catholic Church and , as usual, Arabs.

One very recent example out of many is the comic-book styled action film "Sin City." Here, many of the villains are sporting multiple crucifixion crosses, a symbol held sacred by many Christians, and mixed in with a smattering of swastikas. Indeed, the film's arch-villain turns out to be a satanic, cannibalistic Catholic cardinal! OK, this is fictional 'entertainment' but Hollywood knows these scenarios have a visceral, even subliminal, impact. That's basically why we don't see any Hollywood-fabricated demons and bad guys sporting a Star of David nor do we see any rabid psychopathic rabbis dished up for popular entertainment.

The unspoken code of Tinseltown is simple: Jewish archetypes and Jewish religious sensitivities are to be respected. Others may be casually smeared.

Although Catholics and Arabs are expected to survive this non-lethal, but inherently pernicious onslaught, considering the laudatory treatment Hollywood's Jews regularly heap upon themselves when portraying their brethren, it's becoming a bit of an outrage, as it should. How is it that Jews, Arabs and Christians receive such different treatment under Hollywood's gaze?

In polite terms, the Jewish presence in American film and media is "without peer."

Hollywood is an insider business. While talent is essential, there is a political element to success in Hollywood. One must pass muster with the specifically Jewish dictates of political correctness. Otherwise, one may find oneself very much unemployed and ignored. It took an actor/producer with the stature of Mel Gibson to buck the kosher Hollywood code to produce and distribute his controversial, but wildly successful film "The Passion." He endured a tidal wave of organized, Jewish protest, including death threats to his family.

Not surprisingly, Bob and Harvey Weinstein of Miramax Films declined to distribute The Passion assuming it would offend their crowd and/or fan the "eternal" flames of "anti-Semitism". On the other hand, the Weinstein brothers did distribute "Sin City" as well as Michael Moore's much ballyhooped Fahrenheit 9/11. Why? Both films respected the unwritten kosher code: vilification and defamation of Arab and/or Christians is perfectly fine, but one must never - even in the context of analyzing terrorism or U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East - demean Israel, Zionism or neo-conservatism. In fact, in Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore totally ignored the roles of Israel, Zionism and neo-conservatives, while tossing in a gratuitous, hefty dose of Arab-bashing. Good boy, Michael. Here's a million dollars!

For the ambitious film maker, it's crucial to remember three things -

1: Jews remain at the top of the Hollywood food chain.
2: They intend to remain there.
3: Don't' forget those first two things.

Like it or not, the gatekeepers of American mass media are disproportionately of Jewish stock. Though they famously disdain "white racism", prevailing Hollywodd customs affirm aggressive white Jewish networking. The results are nothing less than astonishing.

Much of America has come to "think Jewish" as attitudes have magically shifted on matters such as race, 'minority rights', school prayer, abortion rights, celebrating the 'holidays', and 'promoting our values' via an aggressive mission to impose democracy in all Mid-East countries except for the ethnocentric, and many say openly-racist, Jewish state of Israel.

OK, Israel may qualify as a "democracy" in the same way the white, apartheid South Africa did but there's one huge difference: concerted interevention from around the world finally brought the segregated Apartheid country of South Africa to its knees. White racial discrimination was declared to be "evil." Interestingly, Jewish activists played a decisive role in that campaign.[Hardly surprising considering the "concerted effort from around the world" equals Marxist-Leninist funding and covert support for terrorist guerrillas like the ANC, and Communism being a well-known Jewish, or shall we say Khazar affair./Draken] However, Jewish Israelis and international Zionists - both Jewish and now so-called Christian Zionists - suffer no similar intense pressure, except by a growing grassroots movement of human rights and peace activists, who, thus far, lack any real significant political clout. Without apology, Israel and its supporters get to play by their own rules.

It's no accident that America's expanding global militancy implicitly hold the "security" of the Jewish state as its centerpiece. And with the help of vital US aid, Israel militarily maintains its commitment to a segregated society, with hellish consequences for the indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians.

How are the highly-placed "friends of Israel" able to bamboozle so much of the world? Through a complicated but interconnected array of media and grass-roots propaganda, political pressure, complex legalisms, victimhood identity via the Holocaust, and raw political muscle. In today's America, just an allegation of "anti-Semitism" can damage the career of public figures. And to fortify this taboo, Americans are regularly fed a hefty ration of Holocaust lore.

As a sidebar, here's an additional fact that would be funny if only it wasn't true: Holocaust "experts" are almost all Jewish. Does their collective obsession produce scholarship, or an appetite and license to propagandize? In any case, for the latest Holocaust news, about all one needs do is simply turn on the TV or pick up any 'major' newspaper. Yet, an accurate telling of the Jewish experience in America should spotlight not suffering or persecution, but success, acceptance, privilege and influence. Jews are, in fact, America's pre-eminent success story.

Although reportedly substantially less than 3% of our population, Jewish per capita income is unsurpassed, as is their presence at our nation's top universities and think tanks. As noted, American Jews make up a majority of Hollywood's ruling class and beyond that, Jewish over-representation is an accomplished fact in the fields of law, medicine and the entire entertainment and general media, including print and TV. This is no small matter. With the average American watching over four hours of TV or film every day, listening to radio, and perusing mainstream newspapers and magazines, these figures are evidence of a profound ethnic imbalance in the management and dissemination of news and information. For America's Jews, this translates into formidable political power.

The enduring fact remains that whoever owns and controls the media, can also leverage public opinion, and from there, government policies.

Indeed, Jewish media mavens have the means to easily advance their particular viewpoint of history, with far reaching consequences. And with the Jewish state of Israel embroiled in a condition of near-perpetual war since its founding in 1948, the question must be posed: might many of our country's most accomplished editors and story-tellers, who qualify as Israeli-Americans, have at least a minor conflict of interest?

Put another way: how can they NOT?

After all, Israeli 'security' remains the essential focus of organized Jewry. Countless pro-Israel organizations famously apply incessant pressure on government officials, political parties, candidates, journalists and fellow 'tribe-members' to lobby on Israel's behalf [See my thread, <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1059&forum=3&PHPSESSID=667dc75a893ce9e961effc867fbbf016">Mossad local assistants or sayanim operating in western countries</a>./Draken], since countless billions of dollars in U.S. aid are harnessed to advance the Jewish state's regional hegemony.

Consequently, maintaining a public willingness to favor America's present interventionist, pro-Israel/anti-Arab foreign policy is an essential component in any scenario culminating in The Final Zionist Solution. It's essential therefore that American gentiles "think correctly" on key Jewish issues. Thus, when Jewish interests are at stake, good and evil are neatly drawn (preferably in clear, unambiguous fashion) so that American consumers of news and entertainment can easily and passively draw the proper conclusions. Thus Arabs (particularly Palestinians) are "terrorists", Nazi demonology is a growth industry, and Holocaust Revisionism (widely misrepresented as "Holocaust Denial") is being peddled as a threat to global security. In fact, in numerous "free, Western democracies", such as Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland, for example, to question the version of The Holocaust promoted by Zionists, including the six million figure and the gas chambers, is an actual crime punishable by fines and imprisonment.

<a href="http://www.zundelsite.org/">Ernst Zundel</a> was deported from the U.S. ostensibly for "visa violations" to Canada where he spent two years of his life in solitary confinement. Following that outrage, he was then recently was deported to solitary confinement in a German jail. His crime? Publicly questioning aspects of the Holocaust. Who's next?

Organized Jewry, progenitors of "speech codes" on countless American campuses, are raising the bar from censoring up to outright criminalizing free speech.

A balanced and accurate view of history DOES matter. Yet, when the facts don't fit, the media gatekeepers can purposefully misinterpret, obfuscate or simply overlook them. This may explain why, for instance, there is so little media interest in the annihilation of 20 million anti-Bolshevik Russians preceding WWII. After all, 20 million Russians KILLED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT is the all-time tsunami of war crimes. But who were the perpetrators? Where are they now? The average American simply knows nothing about the dominant Jewish role in Communism's pernicious rise. Of course, this oversight is no accident.[See my <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=545&forum=17&PHPSESSID=667dc75a893ce9e961effc867fbbf016">GULAG&Communism Still Operational thread</a>./Draken]

Considering that over 275 million humans have perished in wars during the past century, America's nurtured obsession with, and elevation of, Jewish suffering in Europe during WWII might be seen as a peculiar idiosyncrasy. Indeed, many surmise that the American Mind is indeed under Zionist management. The irony of our nation's preoccupation with Jewish war causalities during WWII 55 years after the fact becomes even more repellent when we consider the horrendous, ONGOING persecution of gentiles in Palestine-Israel under Jewish occupation.

As for American cinema, there has been a sea of changes in the past generation. There's now a multicultural array of celebrities, including many Jewish ones. On the downside, Christianity doesn't get the kind of coverage it enjoyed when Frank Capra was directing. Thus, we are treated to seeing an array of stock Christian con artists, whores and criminals. As for Arabs, they're still welcome to play terrorist schemers, religious fanatics, or just plain unsavory characters. This is the mean-spirited side to American film that goes unacknowledged and unchallenged.

Recently, after reading several glowing reviews, we succumbed to seeing the aforementioned over-praised, over-hyped, action-revenge movie, Sin City. Directed by Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez, with special 'guest director' Quentin Tarantino, Sin City is a gritty, sexy, violent and surrealistic foray into a stylized, comic-book version of post-modern urban mayhem. By contemporary standards of blood-letting, this film delivers far more than its share, but there is probably worse in circulation. Sin City's denigration of Christian icons, however, approaches new excesses, something that was also very evident in Tarantino's previous Kill Bill movies.

Not only do many of the villains in this hyper-violent yarn wear gaudy necklaces and earrings hung with Christian crosses, even multiple layers of them, "Sin City" manages to associate blue eyes with depravity...although for Hollywood, that's nothing new.

The two heroic characters (and they were not wearing any Christian crosses, or swastikas, of course) where portrayed by Mickey Rourke and <a href="http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=47384">Bruce Willis</a>. It's Willis' character who finally manages to kill the the evil Catholic priest.

At any rate, we can rest assured that Hollywood shall likely refrain from depicting Jews in such a negative fashion. As for the rest of us, we are not supposed to complain. In fact, we're not even supposed to NOTICE, since it might indicated a racial loyalty which for anyone else except for Jews, is a modern sin.

This very real double standard speaks volumes about who holds real power in contemporary American
film and entertainment.

In a true democracy, EVERYONE has a voice. We advise that you use it. Or you may lose it.

****

Mark Green and Wendy Campbell practice what they preach. For more information about their views and their taboo-shattering documentaries, please visit www.marwenmedia.com.

Draken
04-28-2005, 02:50 PM
<a href="http://www.solargeneral.com/ja/films/savingprivateryanreviewedbymichaelahoffmanii.html">Saving Public Myth

Movie Review of Saving Private Ryan

Directed by Steven Spielberg; Reviewed by Michael A. Hoffman II</a>

"Saving Private Ryan," Steven Spielberg's latest cinematic entry in the canon of Hollywood "history," is not a "holocaust" film. It's about World War II combat on the Western front and the alleged honor and compassion of the U.S. government.

Mr. Spielberg would have us believe that after 54 years, the Allied myths about World War Two continue to hold true--Studs Terkel's pivotal reference point--"The Good War"--is confirmed. There are good wars, by golly, and WWII was it. Hip, hip, hooray!

Don't look for shades of moral gray or the existential self-doubt that attends retrospective accounts of Korea and Vietnam. Those were bad wars (we were fighting Communism) and American vets are supposed to grieve in a fit of collective nervous breakdown for even having participated.

So how does Spielberg go about celebrating the "values" of the "good war" in a time of slackers, grunge and Generation X?

He plays on the heart-strings of the same type of naive draftees who marched to Omaha Beach in the first place, the heartland kids who, in 1998, are desperately weary of the sickness of soul afflicting America and who want heroes and something to believe in again.

Spielberg imagines he has the antidote to our ennui. Hollywood is always willing to wave its celluloid wand of approbation over the killing fields of the Gulf War and World War Two because the enemies of Zionism were "our" enemies in those conflicts.

Patriotism, bravado and faith in army generals are conditionally legitimate here (whereas in Korea and Vietnam such attributes among America's fighting men were just shy of a war crime).

After a brief preface at an Allied cemetery, "Saving Private Ryan" opens with the U.S. infantry landing on the blood-soaked beaches of Normandy, where those "German SOBs" actually had the gall to shoot at the invading Americans.

The nearly-psychedelic scenes of gore and carnage--perhaps the most thrilling and beguiling ever staged--will surely hook a mass audience. The premise of the film is a huge slice from the dusty dish of "Capra-corn" (after pro-Soviet sentimentalist Frank Capra). It seems that Uncle Sam cares about his troops. No less a figure of "sterling manhood" than FDR's General George C. Marshall takes a personal interest in Private Ryan, the sole survivor among four brothers who marched off to make the world safe for Communism.

Marshall touchingly recites by heart the words of that other champion killer of white men--Abe Lincoln--to set the sentimental stage for a search-and-rescue operation for the surviving Private Ryan--a parachutist who landed off-course in enemy-occupied France.

A special team of Army rangers is dispatched. The team is deliberately comprised of one of those multi-ethnic American units that were staples of B-movies and Marvel comic books. There's a timid egghead, a dumb Italian, a pushy Jew, a surly Yank from Brooklyn and a Sgt. York type from the South.

The Jewish trooper waves his "Star of David" necklace at German POWs and taunts them with shouts of "Juden, Juden." This is the only hint of the underlying conflict in the film. But there are no depictions of any husky German grunt spitting on the necklace. There is no sense that a "holocaust" is transpiring a few thousand miles eastward in Poland.

Why Spielberg didn't hit this angle harder is anyone's guess. It's my hunch he intuits how weary American audiences are of "holocaust" themes. He chose to advance his agenda by less transparent means.

One of these is the suggestion that the Wehrmacht--mostly conscripts, if we recall our history--are practically war criminals just for fighting the Americans.

Spielberg telegraphs an unambiguous message about the necessity of shooting unarmed German POWs and how foolish it is to spare them (the Jewish soldier eventually dies as a result of his captain having failed to authorize the murder of a German POW).

One of the most compelling figures in the film is Jackson, the Sgt. York character who's a rabid German-hater. When a POW speaks to him in German, he erupts in a rage, screaming, "Shut that filthy pig Latin!"

"Pig Latin"? Is Spielberg mocking the presumed ignorance of the servants of the New World Order? German being the language of philosophy and rocketry, among other stellar Teutonic achievements, Spielberg would seem to be both applauding and mocking the anti-German bigotry of this "hick," who mutters a psalm every time he blasts any German who gets in his sniper rifle's sights.

How the Germans ever conquered Europe and North Africa and fought the Red Army to the gates of Moscow is certainly a mystery if one credits their portrayal in "Saving Private Ryan."

They fight with basic soldierly resolve only as long as they have the advantage--a fortified pill box, a machine gun nest or a Tiger tank. But as soon as the tide turns, the German soldiers toss their arms up in surrender and jabber in hysterical fear and pleading.

They fight with the same wooden stupidity as did the extras on the set of the old 1960s TV series "Combat"--whenever they're in American sights they get hit and drop, whereas, once off the beach, Americans can run in front of a legion of German rifles and dodge bullets with miraculous invulnerability.

There is just one swastika visible in the film (a graffito painted on the Atlantic Wall). Even an SS tank commander appears sans monocle and armband. Spielberg obviously sought to avoid hyperbole and schlock.

He makes his anti-German point with a much lighter touch, but he makes it all the better by this near-subliminal technique. It's simple, really, an old trick from the propaganda manual: he endears us to the American troops by showing them griping and complaining, joking, sobbing and gambling.

We share their life stories and their jests. We "bond" with them. They are not robots. They gripe about "Fubar"--an acronym for an expletive for U.S. government incompetence and high command absurdity (the government is incompetent even in its great compassion and goodness--a concession to combat infantry "realism").

The Germans are mere ciphers, however. Never does Spielberg take us to their campfire to hear their songs and stories. We almost never glimpse their humanity. No German words are ever translated into sub-titles. German becomes an unintelligible clamor--a "pig Latin." We are glad whenever the German boys die and Roosevelt's troops prevail.

The closest Spielberg comes to humanizing the German troops is in a brief standoff between an American and a German, when they both run out of ammo and hurl their helmets at each other; and in a quick flash of a German soldier making a hurried gesture resembling the Catholic sign of the cross (blink and you miss it).

In a nearly three hour film, those 15 seconds do not counter-balance the straw men Spielberg has fashioned. He has shown even these skimpy scenes only to make his point more convincingly--yes, he grudgingly seems to be saying in these snipetts--the Germans are sort of human, maybe--but not anywhere on par with the noble and lovable Americans.

This would not wash in a 1990s war film about Korea or Vietnam. Asian soldiers would have to be painted in the full strokes of their humanity or the filmmaker would risk charges of racism. Germans? A bunch of "krauts."

Spielberg's defenders will claim he humanized them in a scene with a German POW who babbles about "Betty Boop" and "Steamboat Willie." But his mutterings are grotesque, not poignant. This is not a means for humanizing Germans, it's a demonstration of how supposedly weak and disgusting the German soldier--the "Hitlerian superman"--really is once he's disarmed; his behavior being perilously close to that of a coward.

There is not a single good German in "Saving Private Ryan," just as every single one of the hundreds of German soldiers depicted in Spielberg's "Schindler's List" were, to a man, nothing but homicidal robots.

"Saving Private Ryan" is a whitewash of the ignominious record of George C. Marshall and a celebration of senseless fratricide and jingoism. This war-mongering emanates from that compassionate paragon of humanitarianism--that bearded and bespectacled teddy-bear--Steven Spielberg, "repository of warmth and wisdom."

Sweet dreams, kiddies. Sooner or later it will be your turn to die for the New World Order in another Glorious Crusade against "tyranny." The killing fields await another generation of American manhood, prepped and primed by the latest Hollywood enchantment.

Prepare the prosthetics and wheel chairs, puff up the pillows at the Veteran's hospitals, speed up production at the body-bag factories, the U.S. World Police Force Inc. is on a "patriotic" roll--across the technicolor screen and around the world.

nohope187
04-28-2005, 03:31 PM
I remember when Saving Private shithead first came out, people were saying how the coolest part of the movie was the gory parts at the beggining and their favorite character was that fuckin redneck who muttered psalms before making his kill. This movie was nothing more than 3 hour recruitment at for the Amerikan military.

nomad
04-28-2005, 06:46 PM
nohope187 wrote:
I remember when Saving Private shithead first came out, people were saying how the coolest part of the movie was the gory parts at the beggining and their favorite character was that fuckin redneck who muttered psalms before making his kill. This movie was nothing more than 3 hour recruitment at for the Amerikan military.


Very true ... isn't it interesting how Mel Gibson

had to cut scenes out and edit the BIBLE ! ! !

and all the NWO movie makers get carte blanche

for everything.

truebeliever
04-29-2005, 12:55 AM
Great posts Drak.

What a joke about Mel Gibson...just what exactly needed cutting?

Ridley Scott...the current head of Hollywood Propaganda productions has his new epic blockbuster out..."Kingdom Of Heaven".

Here for some previews...
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/kingdom_of_heaven/theatrical_menu.html

I've only seen the various previews but one must suspect that coincidence in Hollywood happens alot...the release of so many War movies since 98'- 99' and Scotts fine propaganda effort with "Black Hawk Down".

Now we have the Christians DEFENDING Jerusalem from the hoards...hmmmm, now just who's behind this little one. I'll hold back until i've seen the whole movie...hopefully a FREE pirate as I wont pay for there shit. It helps to be so close to Asia.

Also note a new supposed 'documentary' about Iraq..."Gunnar Palace"...
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/gunner_palace-tlr.html

What ABSOLOUTE propaganda tripe..."it's all about the troops...no politics"...of course you cant include politics! It's a morally and ethically indefensible war so the intelligence services have to come up with this tripe!

After all..."it's all about the man next to you". Thats how you get troops to fight a unwinnable and indefensible war...tell them you have to fight for your buddy, your komrade.

Michael Tucker produced and directed this tripe...he got on the "inside" because he had a friend who was a German "armoured vehicle dealer"...or "arms dealer"...do I smell INTELLIGENCE AGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The supposed doco is a disgrace and blatent propaganda designed to increase the dismal sign up rate while pretending to show how hard the poor troops have it.

Add to that this twerp ripped off George Gettes reasonable attempt at showing the human side of the war through music with his doco "Soundtrak To War" which I posted awhile back.

Tucker was a little upset i got a hold of a pirate copy...to bad Tucker...it now graces the bin where it belongs.

bohemian
04-29-2005, 03:22 AM
Got this passage while searching on the net about Mormons:

"The "Book of Mormon" purports to be an abridged account of God's dealings with the two great races of prehistoric Americans -- the Jaredites, who were led from the Tower of Babel at the time of the confusion of the tongues, and the Nephites who came from Jerusalem just prior to the Babylonian captivity (600 B.C.). According to this book, America is the "Land of Zion", where the New Jerusalem will be built by a gathering of scattered Israel before the second coming of the Messiah. The labours of such men as Columbus, the Pilgrim Fathers, and the patriots of the Revolution, are pointed out as preparatory to that consummation. The work of Joseph Smith is also prophetically indicated, he being represented as a lineal descendant of the Joseph of old, commissioned to begin the gathering of Israel foretold by Isaias (11:10-16) and other ancient prophets. "

coincidence?

55132
04-29-2005, 05:54 AM
DW Griffith a pioneering filmmaker called the father of film from the early days and a non jew was blacklisted. He is credited with making the first western and developing filming techniques that have become standard all over the world. Why?

because he had the audacity to make a films that exposed the jewish plotters behind america, one of the films was called "birth of a nation" this film set film standards way over anything at the time.

This film and others has been locked up since 1920 and has not been seen in whole since.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/griffith_d.html

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000428/

55132
04-29-2005, 06:20 AM
Many people tend to think that jews (the talmudic cabalistic brand) are specially gifted as a way to explain how only 3 percent control most of everything in the usa. However what is little known is that among jews it is stickily forbidden to charge interest on loans between them so they have access to billions of dollars to purchase anything. this is how these criminals have bought there way into mainstream.

all this started mostly in the 19th century thanks to the rothschild funding. First they purchase the press, then commerce like macy’s.. Most of the mills, there first incursion into mainstream entertainment media was through Broadway that up to the 1880's was non Jewish ... today they are purchasing the prime American companies in all fields special high tech and defense and are making them into commodities so that there friends get even richer.

They use all this to attack the non jew’s customs and to impose the Talmudic/cabalistic system.

Fight back

fight with the truth their greatest enemy

nohope187
04-29-2005, 05:01 PM
I'm gonna go see XXX: State of the Union tommorow. I read the review at MSN and they said there was this line in the movie where the president says," We need to stop being such an isolationist nation." Sounds very pro-UN of course. But then again, what the fuck do you expect? :-P

nohope187
05-01-2005, 02:06 PM
Saw XXX: State of the Union, today. It was mildly entertaining. Reminded me of being a teenager listening to NWA or Public Enemy. The bad guys in the movie are the people who want a sovereign Amerika. The good guys are implied as pro-UN. The movie might be hollywood"s way of overshadowing the next terrorist attack (Government Sponsored Terror) via an attack on Capital Hill to implement martial law. :-P

truebeliever
05-01-2005, 05:36 PM
Hollywood pro U.N - anti soverign?

Why tickle me pink, pass the cheque book and pour me a gognac.

Hows that for a one liner Trash Boy?

In fact? "Trash Boy"...the movie?

You could deface neo-con and Soros sponsored forums...letting the Lizards have it...engaging in cut & paste duels to the death with Jeff Gannon!

Yes, yes...the script is on it's way...

nohope187
05-01-2005, 05:57 PM
Very good young padawan, some day you too can be a jedi trash master. May the trash be with you. :-P

nohope187
05-02-2005, 08:34 AM
almost forgot, the defining point of the State of the Union movie was when Ice Cube said, "The fate of the free world is in the hands of a bunch of hustlers and thieves." Globalist thoughts can't get much more in your face than that, or can it? :-P

Draken
05-04-2005, 02:14 PM
May 4, 2005

Sneak Peek at new Movie about the Crusades

In "Kingdom of Heaven" Ridley Scott gets the story half-right. The
neo-cons have it all wrong.

by Michael A. Hoffman II
Copyright (c) 2005 by revisionisthistory.org

On Friday, May 6, "Sir" Ridley Scott's film of the Third Crusade,
"Kingdom of Heaven" will debut in US theaters. It appears that Scott's
film will portray the "Saracen" commander Saladin honorably and the film
will not be--as initial reports first indicated-- useful as a recruiting
tool for Bush and the neocon's contemporary crusade against the enemies
of Zionism.

It seems that the movie's chief historical inaccuracy will be Scott's
disregard for Catholic religious faith among the European troops. The
worthies among them are shown as agnostics with a trendy modern
disregard for the particulars of faith and dogma that would have been
impossible in the medieval period. There were no atheists in the
foxholes--or anywhere else in Christendom at that time -- except for
certain elite agents of the Cryptocracy and perhaps the occasional
madman.

The take on Christian belief in "Kingdom of Heaven" recalls Shekhar
Kapur's 1998 anti-Catholic film "Elizabeth," with Cate Blanchett playing
a Queen Elizabeth I who was depicted as a sort of hip Unitarian too high
on life to quibble over the finer points of Catholic-Protestant enmity,
when in fact her reign was obsessed with religious doctrine and the
iron-fisted maintenance of Protestant supremacy in her realm.

Unfortunately, Ridley Scott states his lack of concern for some
particulars of historical truth without shame, but before we hop on the
hypocritical talk-radio blabbermouth bandwagon to denounce him, let us
recall that Mel Gibson is equally deserving of denunciation on these
grounds, having made similar remarks after historians criticized the
depiction of British attacks and relations between colonists and black
people in "The Patriot" movie. In the wake of which Gibson lamely
mouthed the weasel alibi of every Hollywood fraudster, "It's only a
movie."

Ridley Scott said something similar to the Washington Post: "We cheated
a little bit. I don't think anyone historically, really, except
historians, cares."

In other words, "Kingdom of Heaven" is, in some of its parts, a product
of Scott's convenient imagination, a mere symbol, in which case we could
say with Flannery O'Connor, "If it's just a symbol, then to hell with
it."

We could dismiss this movie on those grounds, but we shouldn't, for if
preliminary reports are true, it has one saving grace. Before the
capture of the West by Judaism and Zionism in the 20th century, Salah
al-Din Abu 'l-Muzafer Yusuf ibn Ayyub ibn Shadi (Saladin), was a revered
figure among everyone from Dante to Sir Walter Scott to Kaiser Wilhelm
II (also admired was Saladin's noble nephew, the Sultan al-Malik
al-Kamil, who was a dear friend of Francis of Assisi). If "Kingdom of
Heaven" restores Saladin to his rightful place of honor in Western
culture, as a paradigm of Muslim chivalry, the movie will be worth
seeing for that act of restoration alone. It may also serve to remind
modern Muslims that the made-by-Mossad Osama bin Laden type of "Islamic
champion" is aeons away from the real thing.

These days putting a human face on an Islamic general who is neither a
sellout like Pervez Musharraf, or a child-killer like bin Laden,
subverts the neo-con paradigm and is therefore something to relish,
whatever the other failings of this film.

In the wake of "Kingdom of Heaven" neo-cons are bound to rattle their
sabres with demands for a two-fisted "true account" of the Crusades that
doesn't "wimp out." But the truth is, medieval crusading entailed
battling Judaics as well, and countering rabbinic influence in every
sphere.

Any authentic depiction of Christian-Judeo-Islamic relations in the
Middle Ages would show that Judaics, such as the theoretician of the
extermination of Christians, Rabbi Moses Maimonides, were allies of
certain pseudo-Muslim cryptocrats, and that the Crusades were aimed at
Judaics as well as Muslims, facts that "Flush" Limbaugh, Sean "Hateity,"
and the rest of TV and radio's Zionist zombies can neither account for
nor countenance. Their zeal is for a Crusades that never existed.

At least Ridley Scott gets the story half-right. The neo-cons have it
all wrong.

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truebeliever
05-04-2005, 06:18 PM
After Scotts ridiculous effort with Black Hawk Down Drak...it's all wrong for me.

Half wrong is bad enough.

Thanx for the review though...i'll make sure my copy is a pirate as i have to know what the enemy's pushing.

truebeliever
05-05-2005, 07:51 PM
"Kingdom Of Heaven" making of trailer.

I have not seen it but it's obvious where it's going.

Does anyone think it's a coincidence that Ridley Scott gives us a view of Imperial Rome in Gladiator with a suitable hero and the dissing of the Senate as hopeless? The ONE mighty man to save us?

Then we get the utter tripe of "Black Hawk Down" right on the start of the "War On Terror"...the kiddies were crying in there seats for those brave American soldiers armed only with helicopter gunships, APC's and state of the art surveillence against high tech natives with AK 47's and RPG's.

And now THIS! A crusade for fucks sake!

Go and watch the trailer at...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

Near the top is "Ridley Scott creating worlds".

In it, Ridley Scott says..."What i'm more known for doing is creating worlds"...which then effortlessly moves into a clip where we have the old King played by Liam Neeson saying..."a new world, a better world than has ever been seen, that is what lies at the end of a crusade".

It must be nice Ridley. Paypacket from the studio and another from the Department Of Homeland Security - Hollywood Propaganda Department.

nohope187
05-06-2005, 12:58 PM
I'm gonna go see it tomorrow. and I'll probably post a somewhat congruent review as to what Drak posted. If it's anything like Troy was, it'll suck. :-P

nohope187
05-06-2005, 05:08 PM
On second thought, I'm gonna go see The Interpretor tomorrow cuz I read the MSN review that said K of H totally sucked. This other film is supposed to be interesting cuz it shows the UN basically saying, "Yeah, we're corrupt and there's nothin' you can do about it." :-P

nohope187
05-07-2005, 04:16 PM
Okay, so it was a two hour commercial saying how great the UN and ICC are. But anyways, I'm gonna checkout the movie, Mind Hunters next week. :-P

starviego
05-11-2005, 07:24 PM
My candidates:

CBS' obnoxious "CSI" series. Message: Don't believe eyewitness accounts of infamous crimes; believe instead the infallible gub'mint employee who will tell us what really happened.(In one episode I remeber the character 'Grissom' says words to the effect of "If 20 eyewitneeses say one thing and the physicial evidence says another, we know the witnesses are wrong.")

NBC's equally obnoxious "Law & Order" series. Message: Cops and prosecutors are basically good moral beings.

Movie "The Day After Tommorrow" Message: Global warming is a fact, Americans have to consume less; illegal immigration is good.

Movie "Crash"(recent release). Message: Race/ethnic tensions are your fault, not a policy of deliberately overpopulating our cities with a good chunk of the third world. Blatant pro illegal immigration message at the end of the movie, as the street thug redeems himself by releasing van full of illegal Thai immigrants in LA's chinatown.

nohope187
05-14-2005, 07:57 PM
Belay my last. I read the review over at MSN and the movie totally sucked. :-P

nohope187
05-17-2005, 06:26 PM
Art imitating reality, No shit! :-P

Darth Vader and the New World Order
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith mirrors reality


Infowars.com | May 16, 2005
Alex Jones
The Star Wars story has had, without a question, the greatest impact on popular culture of any movie in world history. We will now explore why it has resonated so strongly with so many people across generations.
At last, the mainstream media is picking up on something we've been talking about for years. The plot lines of George Lucas' six Star Wars films mirror, in many respects, the activities of western governments.
George Lucas, the creator of the Star Wars saga, has said over and over again that he simply plays on subconscious archetypal symbols that evoke primeval fears and passions. Lucas has also stated on many occasions that he draws from historical examples of imperial leaders' lust for war and total power.
Lucas has said that that is why his films have such a powerful effect of people. Deep down, everyone knows that the greatest threat to life and liberty isn't the average criminal on the street, but the monolithic, all-powerful state.
The human desire to resist tyranny is one of the strongest drives we have and Lucas plays upon that instinct masterfully. Article Synopsis
This story deals not only with parallels between Star Wars Episode III and the Iraq invasion, it also details the psychology of government-sponsored terrorism as a tool of empire, and real secret societies like the Order of Death that Darth Vader and the Sith are based on.
Most young people have been fed a false political paradigm and so are bored with history and world events.
When they learn the true nature of the global controllers in a Star Wars context we know they will join the real rebellion.
Learn who the real dark lords are in Martial Law.

While premiering his film, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, at the Cannes Film Festival George Lucas was asked if his new film was a social commentary on George Bush and the Iraq invasion (which even our own government admits is part of America's new "kindly, helpful and loving" imperialism).
How can they not ask this when Darth Vader says to his former teacher Obi-Wan Kenobi, "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy." Remember that Lord Bush, after the 9/11 attacks said, "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
Lucas responded to the reporters by saying that the original Star Wars was developed in the early post-Veitnam War era shortly after Richard Nixon left office amidst a byzantine scandal.
He continued by saying, "The issue was, how does a democracy turn itself into a dictatorship...When I wrote it, Iraq (the U.S.-led war) didn't exist.. but the parallels of what we did in Vietnam and Iraq are un believable ...I didn't think it was going to get this close."
Speaking about present day America he said, "I hope this doesn't come true in our country."
There are thousands of examples of classical despotism being practiced in the US and worldwide today. Here are just a couple:
- Our new Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, in published memos told the President and military leaders that US forces could interrogate detainees to death. If the detainees died while being tortured, the military's actions would be legal as long as they hadn't killed them on purpose. The document contained examples of how to strap someone down to a table and lower them into "liquid effluent" until they began to pass out.
Gonzales had the nerve to say that President Bush is the law and that he can break any Federal or international law that he wishes because he is the President. Gonzalez openly defended his view in front of a Senate panel that still confirmed him to be Attorney General.
Remember Hans Solo in the Empire Strikes Back strapped down in a torture chair as Darth Vader administers electric shocks. According the Alberto Gonzales' logic this is good. Vader works for the Emperor and the Emperor is the law.
The Attorney General's dark views are shared by the rest of the White House. They believe that they are above the law. Coupled with the exploding American police state, this reality is the text book manifestation of dictatorship.
Combine this open demonstration of dictatorship with 63 countries on a White House invasion hit-list and tyrannical empire is the only term that fits.
-Under section 802 of the USA Patriot Act, misdemeanor non-terror related crimes are listed as terrorism. Citizens are stripped of their most basic Constitutional rights that were held sacred in the old Republic.
-George Bush has set up a draconian Department of Homeland Security, giving FEMA the power to engage in mass arrests.
-Last year, the outgoing head of CENTCOM, General Tommy Franks, told the press that if America was attacked again the Constitution would be set aside in favor of a military form of government.
-The Federal government is dismantling the last vestiges of States' rights with its new Federally-standardized National ID Card that has been integrated with thousands of private databases to track and trace our every action.
Government-Sponsored Terrorism
When I first saw Episode I, I instantly understood the plot. Being a student of history, it made total sense. But, I was amazed, time and time again, when talking to educated adults who were also Star Wars fans that they didn't get it. They'd say, "it doesn't make any sense."
This phenomenon got even worse when Episode II came out. People were totally confused. They didn't understand a plot that children could grasp.
For those who are still confused, here a plot synopsis in a nutshell:
In Episode I, Senator Palpatine is an obscure politician from the peaceful world of Naboo. Palpatine influences Naboo not to pay its Trade Federation taxes. The corrupt mercantile Trade Federation cartel then blockades the Naboo system and begins a ground invasion of its capitol, taking its orders from the sinister leader Darth Sidious, Lord of the Sith, who is one and the same with Senator Palpatine.
By manipulating the outcome of the Naboo police action, Palpatine (who then plays the part of resisting an operation that he has launched) is able to springboard into the Chancellery of the Galactic Senate.
Episode II begins with a widening conflict that threatens to destroy the hundred thousand-year-old Republic. The newly- elected Chancellor (Palpatine) is able to use the expanding crisis as a pretext to pass police state legislation and to launch a mammoth military buildup.
As in Episode I, Darth Sidious is in control of the separatists led by the charismatic Count Dooku, who is his secret apprentice, Darth Tyrannus. Darth Sidious uses his agent (Count Dooku) to create a crisis that threatens to destroy the Republic, thus threatening the Republic's very existence and manipulating the Senate into giving him the powers of a dictator.
This is the classic use of problem-reaction-solution. Create a crisis, get the reaction of fear from the population, and offer the solution of a police state that you control.
Real-world examples of this through history are:
-Adolph Hitler, two months after being elected Chancellor, firebombed the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, blamed it on his political enemies and declared martial law in the Reich.
-Most historians now believe that the US government bombed its own ship in Havana harbor as a pretext to launch the Spanish-American war in 1898.
-The LBJ Presidential library in 2003 released taped conversations between President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara in which they discussed how the Gulf of Tonkin attack never really took place and how to use it to officially kick of the Vietnam War which resulted in the deaths of over 58,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese.
-In early 2001, the Baltimore Sun and ABC News reported on a newly-declassified operation code-named Northwoods, where the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed hijacking jets by remote control and crashing them, bombing DC, committing sniper attacks in Miami and DC, having the CIA attack the Guantanamo Bay Marine Corps base with mortars, and how to blame all of this terrorism on Cuba and the Soviet Union, giving the Pentagon the pretext to start World War III.
The plan was green-lighted all the way up to President Kennedy who vetoed the plan. The bottom line is that the US government planned to terrorize its own cities as a pretext for war.
In Episode III, the surviving Jedi realize, when its too late, that the Clone Wars have been systematically engineered by the Lord of the Sith to destroy the Republic and the Jedi.
In the end, the Emperor dispatches his dark apprentice, Darth Vader, to exterminate the Jedi and the leaders of the separatist movement (that the Chancellor controlled), leaving the enemies of the Sith dead and the Sith in control of the Central Government. The despotic Galactic Empire is born.
George Bush: Problem-Reaction-Solution
We look at the real world and the military-industrial-complex that controls George Bush, and it is clear that the government is using the problem-reaction-solution system to bring in their own empire.
Using the threat of terrorism, the Executive Branch has declared authoritarian powers unto itself. At the same time, they tell the people that they won't be safe until every "rogue" nation (nations that are sovereign) are under World Government control.
It is a fact that bin Laden has been a CIA agent since at least 1981. The highest levels of the CIA have publicly said that they do not want to catch him.
Think about who really has the motive for the September 11th attacks. None of the Arab nations have taken responsibility, although they've been falsely accused of carrying out the attacks. Who in their right mind would attack the heart of an unmatched military juggernaut with seven times superiority of any military on earth?
Who stands to gain? Who gets trillions of dollars in Iraqi and Afghan oil? What group gets to sell hundreds of billions in weapons systems? Who gets to be our hero and silence all political opposition? What group is now turning America into a high-tech police state? In the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) documents, Dick Cheney told us in 2000 that the neo-cons and their backers gain.
PNAC documents written by Dick Cheney and other top neo-cons call for a helpful Pearl Harbor-like attack to mobilize the American people in a war for empire. One of the Pentagon's chief strategists, Tomas Barnett, openly calls America an empire and has a laundry list of nations that need to be invaded immediately.
The bin Laden family has been in business with Bushes for over thirty years. Bush Senior and the bin Ladens vacation together. The Bushes and the bin Ladens are on the board of the armament dealing consortium, the Carlyle group whose profits have quadrupled since 9/11.
The press has been forced to admit that the hijackers had their houses, cars and credit cards paid for by the Federal government. They were trained on US military bases. When US Embassies tried to block their entry into the US, the CIA ordered them to allow entry.
There are over 600 pieces of evidence that show that bin Laden is George Bush's Count Dooku, which are covered in detail in my three films on 9/11, the newest being Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State.


Hollywood Movies: Art Imitates Life
I've noticed with fantasy people have trouble understanding the concept of would-be tyrants creating crises so they can offer the solution. We see popular Hollywood films peppered with this idea. For example:
In the blockbuster, The Incredibles, the evil genius, Syndrome, wants to be worshipped as a super hero, so he stages a robotic attack on a US city which he plans to then foil and become the people's savior.
In the film, Final Fantasy, a General who wants to be given dictatorial powers opens the gates so the enemy can attack New York and then discredit his peacenik opponents.
There are countless examples of this, and I've noticed that when I talk to adults who have seen these films they don't understand the plots. But, when I talk to children they completely grasp it.
From a sociological/psychological perspective, why is there this blind spot in adults? Is it being engineered into us? Are we in denial? If so many intelligent people can't grasp a children's plot line, no wonder they can't really understand what's behind 9/11.
Missing the Big Picture
Infowars.com has seen scores of mainline publications from CBS News to Japan Today drawing parallels between America's predatory militarism and the grasping empire of the Star Wars universe.
What they've missed is the central point that Lucas makes time and time again. Criminal elements within the government that seek to overthrow freedom and replace it with slavery get their power through carrying out terrorist attacks and manufacturing enemies that they fund and control.
In some cases, as with the separatists in Star Wars, they don't even know who they are controlled by, just as an Arab suicide bomber might not know that the funds and training that he received came from a western intelligence agency. He doesn't know that his attack will be used to crack down on entire populations and stop any real peace process, because the weapon dealers have no interest in peace. Chaos is the ether in which they swim.
The dominant press also misses the boat on how much Star Wars itself has been influenced by the Third Reich. The uniforms worn by imperial officers are almost identical to the German military staff. Political officers in the empire wear the black uniforms that even more closely resemble the dreaded garb of the German political police, the SS.
Star Wars also acts as a type of cultural feedback loop. Star Wars' villains are modeled after the Nazis (Darth Vader's helmet is simply a slightly more pronounced German artillery solder's head piece), and, in turn, modern governments are themselves influenced by the visigothic-style of Star Wars.
The press reported in the early 1980's that while Ronald Reagan was campaigning for President in 1979 he was camping at Bohemian Grove in Northern California with business leaders. They came up with the idea to give the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) the catchy name "Star Wars." '
Out of SDI grew the US Space Command. Today all US military forces are under the control of the ultra-secretive US Space Command.
In the 1980's military and law enforcement planners wanted to come up with intimidating uniforms for SWAT teams and militarized riot police. They came up with a design which has now been adopted thanks to federal grants in almost every major city. The uniform, which they admit is meant to strike fear into the public, is extremely similar to the suit worn by the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader.
Or course, long before Darth Vader existed in our minds, every culture had a dark totem representing evil and domination that manifested itself as a tall, pitch-black hooded or helmeted sorcerer. Similar to the ringwraits of J.R. Tolkein's Lord of the Rings trilogy.
We should all be concerned that our government is choosing to clothe our police in these macabre get-ups. Throughout history, secret police, torturers, inquisitors, executioners, terrorists, bank robbers and every other form of scum has worn the black mask. Of course, in the Klu Klux Klan, the black mask is only worn by the Supreme Grand Dragon.
The New World Order
In Episode III, the Emperor talks about a "New Order." How many Presidents and leaders have we heard spout off about a "New Order" or a "New World Order?" George Bush Senior, Adolph Hitler, and countless others have all called for a New World Order.
A New World Order is a worldwide dictatorship. At least that is what the encyclopedia said up until the 1960's. Now resource books, especially those for children tell you that it is a loving, wonderful thing that will keep us all safe from terror.
Secret Societies
In the Star Wars universe, the Sith are members of a self-centered secret society that has been passing down its knowledge for thousands of years. The religion revels in death and destruction. War is its sacrament, death stars and war ships its cathedrals. This is one of the central threads that runs throughout the entirety of Star Wars lore.
For over a decade, I have been studying civilization and time and time again in my research I run into the occult, secret societies and, at the top of it all, the Order of Death, known by the public as the order of Skull and Bones.
The only widely known manifestation of the Order of Death is one of its chapters based at Yale University, the Order of Skull and Bones, Chapter 322, of which both George W. Bush and his father are members. Three Presidents have been members of Chapter 322 alone. Eight CIA directors were members. George W. Bush's administration has 11 members currently at the highest levels. And 322 is only one chapter.
In July of 2000, I infiltrated what can be called the mother ship of the Order of Death, the Bohemian Grove. This is the same place where Reagan decided to call SDI "Star Wars." Major California papers have reported on the rumors that world leaders meet there and perform bizarre black magic rituals to the Caananite deity that represented death, Moloch.
While I was inside, I was able to secretly film the bizarre annual ritual, the Cremation of Care, which takes place at the Bohemian Grove every year. The footage I took aired nationally on the Trio Network.
Now, we have come full circle. Why is all of this important? Because, since infiltrating, I have become aware of and have obtained publicly available annals of Bohemian Grove and its correspondence with Skull and Bones. Many of these documents are posted on infowars.com in the Bohemian Grove section.
What we learned shocked me to my very core. Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove are nothing but US extensions of a germanic death cult that has been operating for thousands of years. This same group, that calls itself the Order of Death, is mentioned as the Tooley and Thule society and respected, mainstream works on the rise of the Third Reich detail how Adolph Hitler was a member of his group, and how they supported his rise to power and his subsequent actions in World War II.
Then I learned that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the President, had gotten into deep trouble during World War II for trading with the enemy, and that he was on the Board of Directors of the company owned by Fritz Thyssen who was also a member of the Order of Death and the chief financier of Hitler in Germany.
In my new film, Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State I detail these facts with documents from the National Archives, the London Guardian, the New Hampshire Gazette, and Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove's own annals.
I've really got to hand it to George Lucas. He really did his homework. It took me a decade of intense research to discover the fact that our world is dominated by members of a secret society that give themselves names like "Lord Death," "Lord Longtooth," "Lord Dragon," and "Long Devil."
Lucas was able to expose, if you think he's doing it for good, or desensitize, if you think he's doing it for bad, the entire public to the reality of what is going on, projected onto the backdrop of fantasy.
Take away the light sabers and levitation and you're left with what our world leaders really believe in, what their religion really is, what makes them tick. The global controllers, of whom Bush is just a puppet, are using the same tactics to control populations employed by the Dark Lords of the Sith.
I know this is hard to believe, but if you just research their own publications they brag about it. German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt in his own autobiography, Men and Powers, A Political Retrospective bragged that they had their own secret society meeting places in German where they did rituals, but his favorite place was Bohemian Grove.
I probably shouldn't be surprised by George Lucas' insight, his understanding of this greatest of secrets. By telling his Star Wars story and interlacing it with the truth, he touched all of our subconscious minds where we deep down know the truth about the world but don't have the courage to consciously admit it.
In doing so, Lucas has made over 10 billion dollars with his films and merchandise. By telling the truth even in a screened way, he has tapped into our collective unconscious and told us a story that we know is true.
In closing, it's important to see George Lucas' first feature film, THX-1138, based on a student film he produced in college. THX, which has become Lucas' signet, appearing in all of his films and most of his products, tells the story of man totally dehumanized in a forced-drugged, shaved-head police state and how one man stands up and breaks free of that system.
That's the heart of why the public loves Lucas. Not just that he tells the truth in a way that gets past the censors, but that he reminds us that the individual can stand up against organized evil and win.
To learn about the real dark lords of the Sith, visit the links below:
Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State
Bohemian Grove

nohope187
05-20-2005, 08:12 PM
There's a free 20 minute video to download over at infowars where Alex poses as Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. It's pretty cool. :-P

DT291
05-20-2005, 08:33 PM
I went and saw Star Wars episode III today. The line that stood out to me most was along the lines of "The loss of liberty is received with applause which was said right as Palpatine declared himself emperor of his galactic empire and the whole Senate celebrated it. Not really much different than how people nowadays take what their NWO-happy leaders tell them.

aspectus
06-25-2005, 04:18 PM
Please if somoeone knows of reviews (along the lines of others linked/posted here) of 'BATMAN BEGINS' and also 'EQUILIBRIUM' I would really appreciate it.

06-26-2005, 10:58 AM
Quite simple!!

Conditioning of the masses through movie productions!!

Isn't that what most of it all BOILS DOWN TO???

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Spielberg and ET!!
Cruise and Scientology!!

06-26-2005, 11:00 AM
Well, MEN, how do they portray your species on the big screen and television???

I know the answer, do you?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

nohope187
06-29-2005, 03:36 PM
Batman Begins was mildly enjoyable show. Liam Neeson plays his best bad guy role to date. His character thought he was doing the city of Gotham a favor by killing everyone through inducing the masses with a hallucinagin that causes fear/rage like in the movie 28 Days Later where the people kill each other. Typical illuminati fantasy. I personally liked the Tim Burton fillms better. :-P

nohope187
06-30-2005, 06:28 PM
War of the Worlds- was basically a two hour commercial for martial law kinda like Independence Day or The Day After Tomorrow. I liked the TV series better cause there was more plot dialogue. :-P

07-11-2005, 07:48 PM
Max wrote:
Upcoming movies:

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Promotes witchcraft for kids
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=126

The Beast - to be released on 6/6/6
What else needs to be said?
http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/beast_movie.html


Some past movies:

WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm
A quote: The Flowers used in the movie and books, are also used in the programming. The witch uses poppy flowers to put the lion and Dorothy to sleep. Opium and cocaine are used to tranquilize Monarch slaves. An alter of a slave will get trancy when they enter the poppy field. (Heroin and cocaine come from poppies.) In the film, Dorothy says, “What is happening? I’m so sleepy.” She and the lion get sleepy for no apparent reason very quickly. Monarch slaves do the same thing. Waking up with snow in the movie is nothing less than an allusion to cocaine which is a common substance given to Monarch slaves to help make them dependent. Dorothy states at one point in the movie that she “doesn’t remember”. She then follows this up with “I guess it doesn’t matter.”


Of course, watch out for anything from Disney:
http://www.geocities.com/sentientrewind/disbloo.htm

Mickey Mouse leading children to Hell
http://www.ac18.org/disney/
http://disney.go.com/witch/main.html


The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

and his;

"Butterflies are free to fly."

and his;

Philadelphia Freedom;

"brought me knee-high to a man who gave me peace of mind my Daddy never had.

They so often depict in movies what they have already explored, invented, technology, etc.

Think about all the Arnold movies!!

minorityz35
07-12-2005, 11:31 AM
lord of the rings was written to expose this bullshit. anyone w/the ring of power will be corrupted by it.

then at the same time they come out w/THE RING.
THE RING was a discustingly horrifying film about a child's tormented soul that keeps coming back to kill everyone or some dumb premise like that.

heres the point: the child's soul was tormented because the parents were so terrible to her. this gets back to the NWO propaganda that people should believe that the STATE is more capable to raise their children and that children should go on ridaline, get therapy, and get brainwashed in school so they can be happy and live in the system.

now when someone hears about rings in movies they forget about the LORD OF THE RINGS... they do remember how terrifying THE RING was.

Dreak
07-12-2005, 12:08 PM
The Wizard of Oz is so mind control.

Actually..that flick was about GOLD and an eye opener of what was really happening with money.

anti-NWO.

07-12-2005, 12:32 PM
!!

Dreak
07-12-2005, 12:38 PM
ok ok..its not a flick..its a MOVIE .. tut tut

far as the rest .. look it up yourself BA.

Its been known for a looong time !

PS. I dont think that Elton John was in anyway involved in the soundtrack for W.o.O.

07-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Just to clear up my previous post about the Wizard of Oz.

Fairytales are used in mind control. This is common knowledge for those "in the know" and those who were "incarcerated" and have regained memory of their victimization.

I wasn't insinuating that Elton John recorded a sound track for Wizard of Oz.

I was just making an observation regarding some of his songs that seem to relate to mind control themes.

In the Wizard of Oz, like a mind control victim, you lose your brain, heart and courage to the perpetrators and/or sadistic pigs as I like to refer to them as because that best describes them!!

You know, kind of like another song with lyrics that say, "Honey, I want the heart, I want the soul, I want control right now."

Don't remember the singer/songwriter, though of that one!

Dreak
07-12-2005, 01:00 PM
It was Bruce Springsteen BA.

you can infer anything from just about every movie.

however..you directly suggested that Wizard of OZ was a NWO movie..and mind control.

If you just check out that movie you will see you were slightly wrong about that post.. agree ?

PS. I kinda liked that movie..everytime I watch it it enlightens me a bit more :)

07-12-2005, 01:27 PM
Dreak wrote:
It was Bruce Springsteen BA.

you can infer anything from just about every movie.

however..you directly suggested that Wizard of OZ was a NWO movie..and mind control.

If you just check out that movie you will see you were slightly wrong about that post.. agree ?

PS. I kinda liked that movie..everytime I watch it it enlightens me a bit more :)


I disagree. You can infer NWO themes in some movies and not in others. As far as perception of movies, everyone has their own whether NWO or not.

Wizard of Oz was a Hollywood Production and it is laced with mind control themes. Mind control/NWO, probably the same "evil" entity.

I quoted a post from someone else who inserted a link on this thread re Wizard of Oz and mind control.

I never suggested Wizard of Oz was a NWO movie directly.

I think I have the movie memorized as does almost every other person in our country so I have no desire to watch it.

And, no I wasn't wrong. Not agreed!

Good to know you become enlightened from continued viewing.

Dreak
07-12-2005, 02:44 PM
The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

If you been in some far off place for 13 years..then you might wanna take a look at it again..

you DID suggest WoO is mind control.

Oz is not a bad thing..it was there to help us BA.

07-12-2005, 03:41 PM
Dreak wrote:
The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

If you been in some far off place for 13 years..then you might wanna take a look at it again..

you DID suggest WoO is mind control.

Oz is not a bad thing..it was there to help us
BA.

Excuse me!! You said I indicated Wizard of Oz was NWO and I did not as stated in the quote you supplied.

The Elton John Yellow Brick Road was another reference about how some of his songs seem to speak to mind control victims, perhaps.

Again, I never said that I didn't suggest Wizard of Oz was mind control. You said I suggested it was NWO. You are stumbling on your own words.

A far-off place for 13 years and Oz wasn't a bad thing, it was there to help us!!

Okay, sure!!

Whatever!!

nohope187
07-24-2005, 06:28 PM
The Island was a thoroughly enjoyable film. It exposes globalist thought at least in "Elitist" terms. The name of the movie, I think, was taken from an actual experiment in learned helplessness where two groups of lab rats were dropped into a tank of water, one with an island in the middle and the other with nothing. In the tank with the island, the rats found it and made use of it while the rats in the other tank eventually gave up and were pulled out before they went under. Then the two groups were later put back into the tanks of water again, only this time the island was taken out. The rats
that formerly had the island were swimming much longer before giving up than the other rats that didn't have the island in the first place because they had hope that the island was there somewhere. The other rats who originally had no island to swim to gave up shortly after hitting the water. They learned helplessness. :-P

nohope187
07-25-2005, 08:59 PM
Seeing the preview of "V for Vendetta" looked cool. It looked like it involved some police state shit and of course it is conveniently based in London. :-P

nohope187
07-26-2005, 07:51 PM
New plan people, this thread is officially going to the bottom of the pile. In the future each film will have it's own thread. Carry on. :-P

nohope187
07-26-2005, 08:33 PM
Belay my last, this thread will thrive, save for a few select films that get their own thread. :-P

nohope187
07-28-2005, 09:20 PM
Bad News Bears: Dude, they go to Hooters after every game! Wish I had that when I was in little league. :-P

truebeliever
07-31-2005, 05:02 AM
"V For Vendetta"

http://movies.apple.com/trailers/wb/v_for_vendetta/images2/poster.jpg

Made by the Wachowski brothers and Joel Silver of Matrix fame.

It is full of those "maltese cross's" that Weinstein and Silver just love to put all over their movies. I want to believe they're on our side but I feel something is up.

At first glance this seems like a anti-authoritorian film. I have only seen the previes here at Apple Tralers...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/v_for_vendetta/

John Hurt of "1984" is in it.

However...there is some stuff here that is VERY occult. Just look at the "V" in the photo. I note their is a theme running in a lot of films dealing with what appears at first glance an "anti-NWO" movie...that is of a "anti-hero" who to defeat the bad guys must be as nasty as they are.

Take the movie with Vin Deisel "The Chronicles Of Riddick" where they state openly that "sometimes to defeat evil you require another kind of evil".

It remains to be seen.

It is an OBVIOUS go at Bush.

Natalie Portmans in it though...hence i will be seeing it to make sure her acting is up to scratch.

At the end of the preview a rather ominous voice says..."remember, remember the 5th of November".

I hope thats just the release date for the movie.

truebeliever
07-31-2005, 06:14 AM
Interesting to note...Joel Silver who produced this "V" film is best buddies with Weinstein who along with Spinberg is a "Bilderberger".

Ah...it's all coming together now. Perhaps there really is a split between Bush and European arms...Hmmmmm...more data required.

nohope187
07-31-2005, 09:50 AM
Yeah, the V with the circle around it does look exceedingly Pentagramish. :-P

starviego
07-31-2005, 12:41 PM
I caught an episode of NBC's origonal "Law & Order" TV show last night(7-30-05) where a juror was revealing to the lawyers and the judge that she was contemplating using jury nullification on the case. The judge's reply was

"Jury nullification is illegal."

My jaw hit the floor when I heard that.

nohope187
07-31-2005, 03:11 PM
starviego wrote:
I caught an episode of NBC's origonal "Law & Order" TV show last night(7-30-05) where a juror was revealing to the lawyers and the judge that she was contemplating using jury nullification on the case. The judge's reply was

"Jury nullification is illegal."

My jaw hit the floor when I heard that.I'm not suprised. Shows like law & order and 24 have been pushing police state propaganda for awhile now.

07-31-2005, 06:46 PM
Dreak wrote:
The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

If you been in some far off place for 13 years..then you might wanna take a look at it again..

you DID suggest WoO is mind control.

Oz is not a bad thing..it was there to help us BA.

Okay, Dreak, this one must have slipped by me on purpose.

What far off place were you in for 13 years?

When you say OZ helped US who are you referring to?

How exactly did OZ help you?

How does it enlighten you each time you watch it?

Dreak
07-31-2005, 07:12 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Dreak wrote:
The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

If you been in some far off place for 13 years..then you might wanna take a look at it again..

you DID suggest WoO is mind control.

Oz is not a bad thing..it was there to help us BA.

Okay, Dreak, this one must have slipped by me on purpose.

What far off place were you in for 13 years?

When you say OZ helped US who are you referring to?

How exactly did OZ help you?

How does it enlighten you each time you watch it?

First off..that was YOU that said "The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road"

OZ was ment for WoO .. it was about GOLD ! thats all I was saying..

It was about the controll and manipulation of gold and money..nuf said..

D.

07-31-2005, 08:32 PM
Dreak wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Dreak wrote:
[quote]The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road."

If you been in some far off place for 13 years..then you might wanna take a look at it again..

you DID suggest WoO is mind control.

Oz is not a bad thing..it was there to help us BA.

Okay, Dreak, this one must have slipped by me on purpose.

What far off place were you in for 13 years?

When you say OZ helped US who are you referring to?

How exactly did OZ help you?

How does it enlighten you each time you watch it?

First off..that was YOU that said "The Wizard of Oz is so mind control. Elton John and his "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road"

Hello!! I know it was me who said Wizard of Oz was so mind control. We already had this discussion. This is not what I asked you.

OZ was ment for WoO .. it was about GOLD ! thats all I was saying..

You were saying it was about GOLD?? Where did you say this?

It was about the controll and manipulation of gold and money..nuf said..

Oz was about the control and manipulation of gold and money? Okay. Whatever!!!


NUF said!!! Certainly, you haven't said anything. HA!HA!!



8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nohope187
08-20-2005, 07:15 PM
Red Eye: This movie really fuckin' pisses me off. If you're paying attention, which most sheeple won't catch this, you'll notice that the bad guy in the film is anti-homeland security. Once again, the cock sucking worshipers of the State in Hollywood are conditioning feeble minds to demonize people who love freedom while accepting the police state at the same time. Same old bullshit, I doubt they're capable of coming up with anything new. :-( :-? :-x

nohope187
09-17-2005, 03:08 PM
Lord Of War: An excellent film. Shows how elitists bankers use middlemen to fund both sides of wars. Only bad thing about the film is that it will most likely be used as a tool for a clarion call of arms disarmament. This film comes out conveniently when FEMA is going through the dry neighborhoods in Nawlins confiscating property and guns. :-( :-? :-x

truebeliever
09-17-2005, 09:34 PM
Will check it out.

Thats the prob lately. There have been a few doco's and movies which at first glance appear to be addressing the issues but are in fact leading the people back into the arms of the NWO.

Inparticular..."The Corporation". "The Fog Of War". 2 documentaries which are as slick and well made as you can get and appear to be addressing power but the answer both hinted at and alluded to directly is a powerful, multilateral world body to bring the corps under control and bring on world disarmament. Namely One World Government to restore order.

When i see a movie or doco addressing the banking and financial system in the mainstream i'll know we're winning.

Saturnino
09-18-2005, 06:41 PM
Hollywood...they even made the babe in The O.C. get a lesbian girlfriend !
I am yet to see two beautiful, feminine girls who are lesbians and a couple...totally out of reality.

nohope187
09-22-2005, 06:31 PM
Corpse Bride: Encouraging kids to be necrophiliacs. Nonetheless, it's from Tim Burton who though extremely fucked in the head, has some amusing antics in his stories. :-P

Insight
09-29-2005, 01:57 AM
I used to live in a house with a whole bunch of college students, one of which I became very good friends with, which was strange, because our beliefs were totally opposite. She was a big fat norweigan lesbian named Caroline. I used to party with her all the time. When she moved out and got her own place, I Would come over to her lesbian parties. When ever I tell guys that, they say, "Cool did you ever see chicks making out"? The answer is, yes. Yes I did. And it was disgusting. Imagine a 300 pound woman who talks like a man and has an adams apple kissing a130 pound punk girl who has the back of her head shaved and is wearing a jock strap. Imagine looking around the room and not being able to tell if half the "women" in the room were actually born as women. Now, of course, they were all nice people, fun to be with and such, but damned if they were a weird and ugly bunch.

What I am getting at here is that I hung around with a lesbian crowd for almost two years (It wasn't my only crowd though. Don't worry, I don't putt on that side of the green, if you catch my drift) and never once did I see a lesbian who looked anything remotely close to what is portrayed in TV and in movies, and in porn. I saw literally hundereds of real life lesbians. Hundreds of hundreds. (Caroline can testify, they really, uh, "play the field". She has new "friends" all the time.) And I never once saw the stereotypical 100 pound young, blue eyed blond girl. Not once. I would surely say so if I did.

Why does the media totally portray the lesbian lifestyle inaccurately? Because it is totally for the men. If men actually saw lesbians for what they really were, they wouldn't be so exited.

truebeliever
09-29-2005, 02:45 AM
Boy were you in the wrong Lezzie crowd INSIGHT! 8-)

Ones I knew were pretty tidy. Most were bisexual. The truly "Lesbian" cant get a bloke so they have no choice.

Just about every teenage girl these days is experimenting with their girlfriends. They think it makes them more attractive to men.

Blame Hollywood and the ready availability of XTC and Amphetamine.

Draken
09-29-2005, 03:59 AM
9/11 AND THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION
The Mother of all Non-Sequiturs

/------ Special Report ------\


NY Sun, Sept. 28, 2005
http://www.nysun.com/article/20677

This month marks the 100th anniversary of the first printing of the
infamous anti-Semitic forgery, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." The
anniversary will be commemorated throughout the world including a
two-day conference at Boston University's Elie Wiesel Center for Judaic
Studies.

Tonight (Sept. 28) in New York, HBO Films will premiere the documentary
"Protocols of Zion" by Marc Levin's Blowback Productions. The
documentary will be screened later in the month in selected theaters
throughout America. "The Protocols" are frequently referred to in the
Arab and Iranian press connecting Jewish conspiracies to, among other
things: assassinations of Arab leaders; the war in Iraq; control of
Hollywood, the press, economics, and world resources; and an alleged war
on Islam. As Mr. Levin's film illustrates, the most popular conspiracies
are related to Jewish involvement in the attacks of September 11, 2001.
(End Quote)

Protocols of Zion
http://www.blowbackproductions.com/

DIRECTED BY | Marc Levin
PRODUCED BY | Marc Levin, Steve Kalafer
CO-PRODUCER | Jennifer Tuft
SUPERVISING PRODUCER | Daphne Pinkerson
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER (HBO) | Sheila Nevins
SUPERVISING PRODUCER (HBO) | Nancy Abraham
DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY | Mark Benjamin
EDITED BY | Ken Eluto, A.C.E.
MUSIC BY | John Zorn

SYNOPSIS: Despite all the evidence, millions around the world continue
to blame the Jews for 9/11.

This belief is a modern-day incarnation of the infamous "The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion," the century-old forgery that some people claimed
to be the Jews' master plan to rule the world.

Filmmaker Marc Levin sets out to understand why "The Protocols of the
Elders of Zion" has been revived, and to challenge one of the most
persistent, insidious conspiracy theories of all time. In the course of
his explosive journey, Levin finds himself delving into the heart of
hate, facing those who would traffic in bigotry, all in the name of God.

At a volatile juncture in world events, PROTOCOLS OF ZION is the
personal odyssey of veteran filmmaker Marc Levin ("SLAM"). As a Jew and
a New Yorker living and working not far from the site of the World Trade
Center, Levin grapples with one of the central issues facing the world
today: religious intolerance and hate.

Propelled by the racist tract, which has revived for a new generation
that is looking for someone to blame, Levin takes to the streets in
PROTOCOLS OF ZION, engaging in a free-for-all dialogue with
Arab-Americans, Black nationalists, Christian evangelicals, Aryan
skinheads, Kabbalist rabbis, Holocaust deniers and survivors, and
parading peaceniks.

A veteran documentarian and secular humanist, Levin approaches his
subject with a healthy skepticism. For the first time, he reveals
himself on camera: vulnerable, exploratory, argumentative, edgy,
compassionate, outraged and ultimately entirely human in his journey to
understand and to challenge those who would promulgate hate, knowingly
or otherwise.

Levin's filmmaking journey takes place against an increasingly volatile
backdrop: U.S. troops march on Iraq, Arab television stations broadcast
a dramatization of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," Malaysian
Prime Minister Mahathir claims the Jews rule the world by proxy, Mel
Gibson releases "The Passion of the Christ" and violence reignites
between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

Every bit as disturbing and unruly as the subject itself, Levin's
PROTOCOLS OF ZION drives straight to the heart of the hate that animates
all religious fanaticism and zealotry. (End Quote)

----------

HOFFMAN'S AFTERWORD:

Mr. Levin is trafficking in a non sequitur. His argument is a fallacy.
The conclusion does not follow from the premise.

Quote: "Despite all the evidence" (that Israelis did not have advance
knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001)
"millions contimue to blame the Jews for 9/11."

What preponderance of evidence is there to show Israelis did not have
this advance knowledge? I know of none, and I am a reasonably literate
person. And who are these ethereal "millions" who "continue to "blame
the Jews"?

Is this not the persistent paranoid delusion of the Talmudic mentality,
that the goyim are forever "blaming the Jews"? Is this belief an
accurate reflection of reality, or a regurgitation of the rabbinic
delusion that "Esau (the goy) hates Jacob (the Jew) forever"? This
appears to be another case of the reanimation of the mystical notion
that "conspiracy theories" are simply pretexts summoned by the goyim in
order to gratuitously accuse the forever blameless "Jews."

What does investigating the 9/11 attacks have to do with the moldy
"Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"? The connection is beyond
comprehension, except in terms of a clever hasbara mechanism of guilt by
association. Christopher Hitchens tried to cast similar absurd
aspersions in "Vanity Fair," in September, 2002 in his article, "Jewish
Power, Jewish Peril" (cf.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/hitchens.html).

Are we supposed to stop investigating the holes in the official account
of 9/11 despite all the inconsistencies, anomalies and suppressed facts
that surround it, because a century ago the Czarist police allegedly
"framed the Jews" with a spurious "Protocols"? If so, then we are
witnessing the mother of all non-sequiturs.

[Hoffman is hard at work digitially restoring the heavily-suppressed,
800 page text of a 300-year-old exposé of Judaism, that--when
published-- is going to send people like Marc Levin into apoplexy. Stay
tuned to the HOFFMAN WIRE and www.revisionisthistory.org for details].

nomad
09-29-2005, 04:19 AM
truebeliever wrote:
Boy were you in the wrong Lezzie crowd INSIGHT! 8-)

Ones I knew were pretty tidy. Most were bisexual. The truly "Lesbian" cant get a bloke so they have no choice.

Just about every teenage girl these days is experimenting with their girlfriends. They think it makes them more attractive to men.

Blame Hollywood and the ready availability of XTC and Amphetamine.


After the NWO homosexual agenda peaks it will

be time for the "harem" agenda. Combined

with the Muslim invasion explosion, selling

the idea of harems will be easier than most people

think especially as the economic inflation

crunch continues ... the NWO players and

Hollywood will all jump in with their multiple

wives and claim that the harem is an honest

relationship. I guess Mohammed was not so wrong

after all.

Draken
09-29-2005, 04:41 AM
So what about societies where polyandry is practiced, i.e. women have two or more husbands, like in Ladakh?

Filthy, oppressing women just using men for more sex!

There are social reasons why in some parts of the world it's good for a community to practice polyandry, and in other parts polygyny (one man with two or more wives).

"In Ladakh, adaptation to very scarce resources sometimes involved polyandry, which means several husbands to one wife. A number of Ladakhi brothers would marry the same woman - and that, of course, helped to keep population down, because although the gender ratio was roughly 50/50, many women didn't marry and bear children.

This practice was supported by the status given to the Buddhist religion and members of the religious community. An unmarried woman had a very comfortable position as a nun, and both the nuns and the celibate monks further helped support the relatively stable population growth rate. Indications are that Ladakh's population had probably been rising slowly, but it was nothing like the explosion that has now occurred as a consequence of modernization."
(<a href="http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC31/NorbergH.htm">Interview with Helena Norberg-Hodge, by Robert Gilman</a>)

Helena Norberg-Hodge is the founder of the Ladakh Project, whose goal is to help Ladakhis make informed choices about their own future - including re-embracing many traditional ways. She is also the author of a new book, Ancient Futures (Sierra Club Books, 1991), which chronicles her experiences and perceptions in Ladakh.

Typical of Modern Man to view everything from a material, superficial, sensual standpoint, not seeing or understanding practical, cultural or, in many cases (but not particularly this one), spiritual aspects.

Nose_Hair
10-07-2005, 03:14 AM
nomad wrote:

After the NWO homosexual agenda peaks it will

be time for the "harem" agenda. Combined

with the Muslim invasion explosion, selling

the idea of harems will be easier than most people

think especially as the economic inflation

crunch continues ... the NWO players and

Hollywood will all jump in with their multiple

wives and claim that the harem is an honest

relationship. I guess Mohammed was not so wrong

after all.

Isn't the NWO agenda against population growth? Since harems are critical for fast birth rates, surely the NWO would strike any such measure. One would think that after gay marriage, polyandry and polygamy would be legal, but gay marriage corrupts the traditional "reproductive" family, whereas polygamy doesn't corrupt that particular aspect.

Who knows, maybe they'll legalize polyandry because it keeps population in check, while keeping polygamy illegal...

...except for Mormons. Yeah, they'll need a healthy supply of blue-eyed, blond-haired Nordic stock for their mind-controlled slaves--adults and especially children.

But for the darker peoples...no polygamy for you, goyims.

Back on topic...

And I can't believe Star Wars and Spiderman are non-NWO infiltrated. Maybe they're just too popular and everyone's favorite, and no one dares to analyze their favorite movie for the NWO agenda...at least I wouldn't. And it's getting harder and harder to determine whether the NWO agenda contents are meant to EXPOSE them (good) or to condition the people that that's just the way it is (bad).

truebeliever
10-07-2005, 03:37 AM
...and Spiderman are non-NWO infiltrated.

Please note Spidies finger position when shooting his dastardly web...

Shannow
10-07-2005, 03:42 AM
funny, a friend's son was in the passenger seat doing the "spiderman" bull's horns yesterday arvo.

truebeliever
11-02-2005, 11:33 PM
If anyone tries to tell me this treasure of childhood innocence is NWO infiltrated I will kill them.

Please take your kids to see this.

P.S The hero does put on a "mind control" hat to tame the naughty bunnies?

P.P.S There are no explosions or foul language in this so be warned. There is however a giant "Bunny Monster" that is eating everyones prized vegetables. Probably a Jewish rabbit. 8-)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0312004/th-WG61.jpg

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0312004/th-WG50.jpg

Insider
11-03-2005, 07:13 AM
Wallace And Grommit are beyond reproach. I do seem to remember a certain penguin though. He was a little suspicious.

Arjuna
11-03-2005, 09:23 AM
'The Final Cut' - More Hollywood NWO Propaganda
click here to see the trailer (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/050405finalcut.htm)

Prison Planet | April 5 2005

This weekend I watched "The Final Cut" with Robin Williams. I don't remember this movie when it was released in theaters but I was surprised that I haven't seen or heard anything about it until now.

From the film's website:

"A Zoe Chip is placed in your brain at birth to record your entire life. When you die the footage from your life is edited into a "Rememory" - a film shown at your funeral pieced together by an editor. A toy for the privileged, Zoe Chips are changing the face of human interaction, but there are those who are against this emerging technology, and believe that memories are meant to fade."

As you can conclude from the above synopsis this film is propaganda for the coming implantable chip (Verichip?). It also makes it a point to paint the Zoe chip protesters as "religious crazies".
-----------------------------------------------------


Hollywood, the NWO Spokesman
(http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread97366/pg1)
Whenever I watch Hollywood films these days, I always keep in mind "what is the NWO trying to indoctrinate us in now?" Someone once described MTV and Hollywood as the greatest and most successful mind control experiment of our time. Communist leaders have wet dreams about perfecting a propoganda machine as subtle and pervasive as America's.

It seems many big Hollywoood movies fall into four main categories:

A - Mythicization: As soon as a new conspiracy theory starts to surface, they make a film about it. Thus when the majority of people hear of the conspiracy theory, they immediately dismiss it as the realm of fantasy and "only in the movies". Anyone who supports the theory is seen as a total nutbar who takes movies too seriously. Conspiracy Theory anyone?

B - Psychological preparation/desensitization: We are being slowly mentally conditioned to accept events and revelations (pun intended) that will happen in the (near) future, so that when they eventually DO happen, we won't react with panic and, more importantly, won't resist.

C - Disinformation: "Don't look at that. Look over here. Look at the silly monkey. Isn't he silly!" Some movies are deliberate disinformation to misdirect us from the truth. As soon as we start getting close to the truth, Follywood and the media presents us with the "real story" that has been "hidden until now". We accept it and move on with our lives. The film JFK was one example. The speculation and the evidence pointing to CIA involvement in the assassination of JFK was getting too loud to deny, and too close to the truth. So what happens? Hollywood releases a film showing us that some traitorous, psychotic, homosexual, communist, fringe individuals involved in the CIA set it all up. We accept this blatant disinformation and go back to sleep, confident in the knowledge that intelligence agencies are still working for our good, despite a few "bad apples".

D - Indoctrination: Movies of this kind tell us what to think, who to hate, and direct public opinion by telling us who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Previously folks from Eastern-Bloc countries, and recently people of Middle-Eastern origin are ridiculously, laughably demonized. The good guys with their bulging muscles, square jaws and well-honed sense of patriotic justice destroy them all in the name of liberty. Usually the hero will offer the arch-villain mercy at the end, because he's such a nice guy, but the bad guy is so evil and psychotic (and ugly) that he makes a last ditch attempt to stab a knife into the hero before getting blown away. Everyone cheers in great gouts of spat-out popcorn.

truebeliever
11-03-2005, 09:32 AM
Good post.

I just watched one of the latest doco's on the Illuminati. They mention the word "Yoda" or something like it and the creature even looks like the Yoda from Star Wars. I hope they are mistaken.

Certainly, Star Wars has pulled many away from the Christian myth. The Churches can take the blame for that.

It is still an invaluable moral tale. Which of course was once the domain of the 'book'.

I still think the practical results of Star Wars are positive.

psholtz
11-03-2005, 10:02 AM
The middle three Star Wars (the ones produced "first", in the 1970s) are respectable. There's a lot there to feed the imagination in a positive way..

The first three Star Wars (the ones produced "second", more recently), are filled w/ NWO filth from head to toe. You could write a book about everything Lucas gets "wrong" (deliberately, or otherwise) in these more recent films.. Taking a "government blood test" to check whether or not you're "really" a Jedi (since only those w/ the "right genetics" are truly Jedis) is at the top of the list.. Certainly an Internet posting can barely do it justice..

nohope187
11-05-2005, 08:59 PM
JarHead: Fucking excellent anti-war movie. Probably the best I've seen lately. It basically shows how people are brainwashed into bloodlust, and then it shows how bullshit the military really is exposing how the govt. is really out to shaft the enlistee, and how wives and girlfriends tend to be unfaithful to deployed servicmen.

nohope187
12-09-2005, 09:52 PM
Aeon Flux: Shows the masses openly accepting police state tyranny. Also shows how the resistance movement was corrupted to assassinate the somewhat benevolent dictator in exchange for a ruthless one. Mildly enjoyable movie, MTV cartoon series is better.

55132
12-10-2005, 08:31 AM
Some of the interesting things in aeon flux are:

1- the religous (gnostic overtones)

2- The powers that be also control the monicans

3- the monicans = demonicans

4- Goodchild = godchild

5- the romanasque names and power structure

6-oren and the commite = nero and the senate


i think the film demands another watch,
think of me as a squizo but i think the film is full of codes whether they mean something or just creating disinfo reamins to be seen.

There is also another film being heavaly promoted called "night watch" a friend of mines cannot understand how a russian language film with subtitles can have so much publicity and held for a couple of weeks with empty seets. He sent me a copy and to me it was trully an allegorical tale of behind the scene, of what is happening now. People who are not aware just shrrug it off as trash those that are see more into it.

Omar
12-14-2005, 05:06 AM
I am wondering what the real meaning behind the film 40 year old virgin was. After having sex, the age of Aquarius dawns for the virgin. How would the movie be symbolic towards the illuminiti grand plan and the fact that they chose to realease it this year.

Bouncer
12-14-2005, 10:15 AM
Not familiar with the story line. Sex often means the joining of formerly opposite sides or forces. Could there be a melding of two or more sovereign entities in the near future? It also can symbolise the "meting pot" effect in which two lovers feel as though they melt into one another, becoming one. This might be a veiled prelude to the Luciferian Initiation which can be an intense and sublime experience, however evil the source of energy.

redrat11
12-08-2006, 08:56 PM
nohope187 wrote:
Later, this summer, Spielberg is comin' out with the remake of H.G. Wells version of Orsen Wells',"War of the Worlds" starring Tom Cruise which is chock full of NWO propaganda. If anyone knows of any other pro-NWO films coming out soon, Post it here! :-P


NWO MOVIES...... How bout this one.

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As usual Hollywood Satanic Propaganda, although, does anyone know what NWO symbolism this movie portrays besides barbarism, piracy, and general lawlessness! Ther'es something to the "Black Pearl" you know. :-? And I suspect Johnnny Depp is a 33rd degree Mason, like that other Hollywood idiot from Seinfeld.


Here's a movie I HIGHLY RECOMMEND The Island, awsome movie! This movie is one of the best NWO movies I've ever seen, It's about human cloning in the present day, I won't give the details away, but it damm good. :-o VERY REAL!

http://www.theisland-themovie.com/


Be back in a week or so.....

Shadow
12-09-2006, 07:56 AM
rat,

I think you had better go into your little rat hole for a while longer.

Thanks

redrat11
12-09-2006, 11:17 AM
Eastern Star Sister wrote:
rat,

I think you had better go into your little rat hole for a while longer.

Thanks

No Maam, A TROLL for all seasons, when will you leave? Oh well, theres always ignore. thanks. :-? By the way how far did you make it through in the "SISTERHOOD" Eastern Star. :-o See you in a month.

http://www.easternstar.org/index.html

P.S. Get a JOB! Syphillis Brains... :-)

Shadow
12-09-2006, 11:56 AM
redrat11 wrote:


P.S. Get a JOB! Syphillis Brains... :-)

Ah rat, nice to see that you haven't lost your touch.

Still following who you think are your betters, but end up being just some other losers that use you to their advantage.

You have a mind rat, use it for a change.

Shadow
12-09-2006, 12:20 PM
I am not positive about brother rats remarks but I do believe they may have been racist in nature.



The Order of the Eastern Star is the largest fraternal organization in the world that both men and women can join. It was established in 1850 by Robert Morris, a lawyer and educator from Boston, Massachusetts who had been an official with the Freemasons. It is based on teachings from the Bible, but is open to people of all monotheistic faiths. It has approximately 10,000 chapters in twenty countries and approximately one million members under its General Grand Chapter. Members of the Order are aged 18 and older; men must be Master Masons and women must have specific relationships with Masons. Originally, a woman would have to be the daughter, widow, wife, sister, or mother of a master Mason, but the Order now allows other relatives as well as allowing Rainbow Girls to become members when they come of age.

The emblem of the Order is a five-pointed star representing the Star of Bethlehem. In the Chapter room, the downward-pointing white ray points to the West. The character-building lessons taught in the Order are stories inspired by Biblical figures:

Adah (Jephthah's daughter, from Judges)
Ruth, the widow
Esther, the wife
Martha (sister of Lazarus, from the Gospel of John)
Electa (the "elect lady", from II John), the mother

There are 18 main officers in a full chapter:

Worthy Matron - presiding officer
Worthy Patron - provides general supervision
Associate Matron - assumes the duties of the Worthy Matron in the absence of that officer
Associate Patron - assumes the duties of the Worthy Patron in the absence of that officer
Secretary
Treasurer
Conductress - Leads visitors and initiations.
Associate Conductress - Assists with introductions and handles ballot box.
Chaplain - leads the Chapter in prayer
Marshal
Organist
Adah
Ruth
Esther
Martha
Electa
Warder - Sits next to the door inside the meeting room, to make sure those that enter the chapter room are members of the Order.
Sentinel - Sits next to the door outside the chapter room, to make sure those that wish to enter are members of the Order.

Traditionally, a woman who is elected Associate Conductress will the following year be elected to Conductress, then the next year Associate Matron, and the next year Worthy Matron. A man elected Associate Patron will usually the next year be elected Worthy Patron. Usually the woman who is elected to become Associate Matron will let it be known who she wishes to be her Associate Patron, so the next year they will both go to the East together as Worthy Matron and Worthy Patron. There is no male counterpart to the Conductress and Associate Conductress. Only women are allowed to be Matrons, Conductresses, and the Star Points (Adah, Ruth, etc.) and only men can be Patrons.

The Order has a charitable foundation and from 1986-2001 contributed $513,147 to Alzheimer's disease research, juvenile diabetes research, and juvenile asthma research. It also provides bursaries to students of theology and religious music, as well as other scholarships that differ by jurisdiction. In 2000 over $83,000 was donated. Many jurisdictions support a Masonic and/or Eastern Star retirement center or nursing home for older members; some homes are also open to the public. They also often make charitable contributions in their local communities, presented low key without much fan-fare.

The Order is not to be confused with the Order of the Star of the East, a messianic organization created in 1911 by the Theosophical Society - Adyar and dissolved in 1929 by J. Krishnamurti.

On December 1, 1875, Queen Esther Chapter No. 1 became the first Prince Hall Affiliate chapter of the Order of the Eastern Star

Prince Hall Freemasonry derives from historical events which led to a tradition of separate, predominantly African-American, Freemasonic fraternal organization in North America. Prince Hall Masonry has always been regular in all respects except constitutional separation.

On March 6, 1775, an African American named Prince Hall was made a Master Mason in Irish Constitution Military Lodge No. 441, along with fourteen other African Americans: Cyrus Johnston, Bueston Slinger, Prince Rees, John Canton, Peter Freeman, Benjamin Tiler, Duff Ruform, Thomas Santerson, Prince Rayden, Cato Speain, Boston Smith, Peter Best, Forten Horward, and Richard Titley, all of whom were free by birth. When the Military Lodge left the area, the African Americans were given the authority to meet as a Lodge, form Processions on the days of the Saints John, and conduct Masonic funerals, but not to confer degrees nor to do other Masonic work. These individuals applied for and obtained a Warrant for Charter from the Grand Lodge of England in 1784 and formed African Lodge #459.

By 1787 there were at least 73 African-American Masons in Massachusetts, who petitioned the legislature with their "desire to return to Africa, our native country . . . for which the God of nature has formed us.".[1] The Huntingdonian minister John Marrant preached to the Prince Hall Lodge on June 24, 1789. His Nova Scotia congregation was significant in the successful agitation for repatriation by Black Loyalists as well as the subsequent revolt which occurred in Sierra Leone in 1800.

Despite being stricken from the rolls (like all American Grand Lodges were after the 1813 merger of the Antients and the Moderns) the Lodge restyled itself as African Lodge #1 (not to be confused with the various Grand Lodges on the Continent of Africa), and separated itself from United Grand Lodge of England-recognised Masonry. This led to a tradition of separate, predominantly African American jurisdictions in North America, which are known collectively as Prince Hall Freemasonry. Widespread racism and segregation in North America made it impossible for African Americans to join many mainstream lodges, and many mainstream Grand Lodges in North America refused to recognize as legitimate the Prince Hall Lodges and Prince Hall Masons in their territory.

Presently, Prince Hall Masonry is recognized by some UGLE-recognized Grand Lodges and not by others, and appears to be working its way toward full recognition.[2] It is no longer unusual for traditional lodges to have significant African-American membership.

According to data compiled in 2005, 38 out of 51 US mainstream Grand Lodges recognize Prince Hall Grand Lodges.[3]

In 1809 the Prince Hall Grand Master of African Lodge #459 was George Middleton (died 1816) of Boston. He was a member of the Bucks of America a unit of black soldiers during the American Revolution who were at the Battle of Groton Heights, Connecticut in 1781. This unit received a flag from Governor John Hancock. Middleton was also a founder of the African Benevolent Society. His house is preserved in Boston, Massachusetts.

redrat11
12-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Beowolf



You will watch Beowolf, and you will enjoy it, especially Angela Jolie.... :-o
click the one that says 64% work, meaning the link works.

***** star movie



http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/beowulf/

redrat11
12-28-2007, 10:22 PM
I wonder what dark web would computate about this video....Jack Nicholson in the shining :-o and this thread. These people on YTube are insane.

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Or the people who flew over the cuckoos nest here on CC.


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