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CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 05:52 PM
Peter wrote:
Are you FBI or CIA Cathy? I met people like you many times on forums like this? Are you here to frame people who speak out? Probably the owner of this website can not remove you, because than it will be shut down. How much do they pay you for writing you crap here? Do you get promotion if you can frame somebody? Do you enjoy framing people? I guess if you do you are a real psychopath.

Stop giving death threats to me and my husband, you dirty satanic pig! Just because you're working with the CIA does not mean that your Arguments from Intimidation will be successful (like Ann Rand talks about)!

You will not frame my husband Mark anymore! I will call the authorities!

MarkPhillips
12-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Peter wrote:
Are you FBI or CIA Cathy? I met people like you many times on forums like this? Are you here to frame people who speak out? Probably the owner of this website can not remove you, because than it will be shut down. How much do they pay you for writing you crap here? Do you get promotion if you can frame somebody? Do you enjoy framing people? I guess if you do you are a real psychopath.

Yeah, uh, that's right Petro...I'd just like to...uh...reirritate whut Cathy wasa sayin'.

I don't wanna be framed by nobody. And my experience with the CIA can shore help me avoid bein' framed by the dirty likes a you, son!

Peter
12-05-2007, 06:11 PM
I will devote a whole new topic to Alex Jones and the Genesis company later. Rense is also part of this disinformation network. I fell for both of them before. Watch the ron paul videos mentioned on makows website. ron paul makes satanic handsigns all the time. There is more to it than the hook them horns. Anyway, people are falling like flies for the phony ron paul. This shows once more incredibly stuppid humans are. I can understand the arrogance of the illuminati. I would also feel arrogant if I had such a silly weak opponent.

redrat11
12-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Peter wrote:
I will devote a whole new topic to Alex Jones and the Genesis company later. Rense is also part of this disinformation network. I fell for both of them before. Watch the ron paul videos mentioned on makows website. ron paul makes satanic handsigns all the time. There is more to it than the hook them horns. Anyway, people are falling like flies for the phony ron paul. This shows once more incredibly stuppid humans are. I can understand the arrogance of the illuminati. I would also feel arrogant if I had such a silly weak opponent.



You are a ZIONIST SHILL, so freekin obvious, like DA. And the Delta 'brotha.'

MarkPhillips
12-05-2007, 06:21 PM
Peter wrote:
I will devote a whole new topic to Alex Jones and the Genesis company later. Rense is also part of this disinformation network. I fell for both of them before. Watch the ron paul videos mentioned on makows website. ron paul makes satanic handsigns all the time. There is more to it than the hook them horns. Anyway, people are falling like flies for the phony ron paul. This shows once more incredibly stuppid humans are. I can understand the arrogance of the illuminati. I would also feel arrogant if I had such a silly weak opponent.

Well, I tell you son, you ain't gonna get 'way with nothin'! I'm CIA Illuminati! Ron Paul's scarin' the livin' bejesus outta us over here! If the common man ever realizes his intellectual superiority to ours we're doomed, son! Jis' doomed!

redrat11
12-05-2007, 06:24 PM
Ron Paul Speaks about the NWO, hmmm I wonder which of the ZIONIST SHILL candidates does this???



NONE. except R. Paul(the Pro-American) gee I wonder why? Could it be the JEWISH PIGS hate him? YUP!


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If the Jewish/Zionist groups and individuals attack you on a daily basis,(R. Paul) that should tell those few with working brains, that RON PAUL is for real. 8-)


Delta this...

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 06:24 PM
MarkPhillips wrote:

Peter wrote:
I will devote a whole new topic to Alex Jones and the Genesis company later. Rense is also part of this disinformation network. I fell for both of them before. Watch the ron paul videos mentioned on makows website. ron paul makes satanic handsigns all the time. There is more to it than the hook them horns. Anyway, people are falling like flies for the phony ron paul. This shows once more incredibly stuppid humans are. I can understand the arrogance of the illuminati. I would also feel arrogant if I had such a silly weak opponent.

Well, I tell you son, you ain't gonna get 'way with nothin'! I'm CIA Illuminati! Ron Paul's scarin' the livin' bejesus outta us over here! If the common man ever realizes his intellectual superiority to ours we're doomed, son! Jis' doomed!

Stop making death threats to me and my husband you satanic pig!

Peter
12-05-2007, 06:31 PM
The illuminati control both sides of each conflict. No difference in the soap opera called US de-mock-racy.

The illuminati would never allow slaves like us to choose a president. They despise us. Democracy is a sham designed to keep us quit and it works. All the sheep are falling for it. I also fell for it before, but not anymore.

Anastasis
12-05-2007, 06:42 PM
Peter wrote:
The illuminati control both sides of each conflict. No difference in the soap opera called US de-mock-racy.

The illuminati would never allow slaves like us to choose a president. They despise us. Democracy is a sham designed to keep us quit and it works. All the sheep are falling for it. I also fell for it before, but not anymore.

Do not be affraid of the Illuminati, my son. They control nothing. They are the slaves of servants. Make them do their jobs and hold them accountable. They are despised of the people. Ologarchy under the guise of democracy is a sham designed by the masses to keep the wolves quiet. All the wolves are falling for it. I never fell for it.

And just remember there is always four sides to every coin.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 07:32 PM
I've come to the conclusion that RedRat is definitely a ZIONIST SHILL and very unstable, as well.

I wouldn't go so far as to paint Rense with the same brush as Alex Jones, Peter.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 07:39 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Ron Paul Speaks about the NWO, hmmm I wonder which of the ZIONIST SHILL candidates does this???



NONE. except R. Paul(the Pro-American) gee I wonder why? Could it be the JEWISH PIGS hate him? YUP!


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If the Jewish/Zionist groups and individuals attack you on a daily basis,(R. Paul) that should tell those few with working brains, that RON PAUL is for real. 8-)


Delta this...

I am of the opinion that RedRat is a Zionist Shill and very unstable, as well.

Delta this....

Why is it that in the video clip after Ron Paul says YES to a conspiracy, the rest of his answer is bleeped out?

Why is it that after he continues speaking, there is more bleeping?

Why would you think that a SHILL wouldn't acknowledge the same deception of which they are aware?

Why is it that when asked the question about a conspiracy, Ron Paul, said, something like:

Well, if you're talking about...

then yes, a dictatorship.

He is merely agreeing with what the person has posed in his hypothetical question.

Why is the clip so fuzzy?

Why is he being bleeped out?

Why is the audio sound so poor?

Now, if Ron Paul informed people as to the agenda of the NWO, that would be a different story, but he didn't.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 07:47 PM
That isn't a Ron Paul video. It's a video in which a clip of Ron Paul has been inserted with very poor, audio and visual effects not to mention the bleeping out of his words so they can fit within the context of the video.

Peter
12-05-2007, 08:01 PM
Rense and Alex both are part of the genesis communication networks. The Rense site is definitely a disinfo site.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Peter wrote:
Rense and Alex both are part of the genesis communication networks. The Rense site is definitely a disinfo site.

So, what's the deal with the genesis communications network?

Just curious.

What's your opinion about Henry Makow?

Peter
12-05-2007, 10:04 PM
Henry Makow is great. I like him a lot. He thinks very independent and never asks for money.

I started a new topic about Alex Jones, GCN and Jeff Rense under media.

redrat11
12-06-2007, 05:03 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Oh, give me a break.

You're not seeing what you don't want to see.

WE don't need a elderly politician flashing the sign of the devil, depicting his allegiance to the Illuminati and YOU pretending he is signing the words I LOVE YOU.

That is just strange!

We don't need an elderly politician telling US he loves us.

That is just strange.

He doesn't love me or you.

This REVOLUTION thing is strange, as well.

Is that what the rest of the ILLUMINISTS have been flashing all of these years?

The I LOVE YOU in sign language.

Why?

Do they think the majority of the population is DEAF?

As you read in Makow's article when the woman who provided the youtubes called Paul's office about him flashing the devil's horns, they didn't explain it as an I LOVE YOU in sign language.

I don't remember exactly what they said, but review Makow's article.

Like Makow said, is there something wrong with waving?

THE ENTIRE POPULATION UNDERSTANDS THAT GESTURE and it doesn't cause confusion.



Use your brains BA, quit taking Makows word as the Gospel Truth, he may be a ZIONIST Stooge, or did that not occur to you? I'm going to lay out the facts of how wrong you are about R.Paul.



1. Not one 'evil' organization of the Zionist, (and I'm not going to use the stupid "illuminati" word here.)does Ron Paul belong to, NOT ONE!

2, Not one centilla of evidence to prove he is ZIONIST stooge.

3. the ONLY Candidate to tell the truth about the CONSPIRACY to destroy America.

4. The only candidate that has NEVER been associated with other "family within" the power structure at large.


You see Blue Angel it is you who is not seeing what is really there. I have given you fact upon fact, you have given me NOTHING but suspicions, and half truths based upon NOTHING. Ron Paul is a American who truly LOVES this Country, he has worked endlessly to expose and try to stop the Coming calamities for decades in the U.S. Congress.



this website has EVERY person who is a traitor and wishes this country to be destroyed, The JEW created organizations controlling this Country, YOU WILL NOT FIND, NOR WILL EVER FIND RON PAULS NAME ON THERE. LOOK FOR YOURSELF!



YOU will find, ALL THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES names on there though.

http://www.geocities.com/zembmor98/

http://www.geocities.com/wplitynski/index.html



Ron Paul on the New World Order

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The MOMENTUM CANNOT BE STOPPED< TOO MANY RON PAUL SUPPORTERS....ZIONIST JEWS(Makow,DA,) CRINGE,


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redrat11
12-06-2007, 05:18 AM
Ron Paul


http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A36863

BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 11:52 AM
The RAT thinks people who voice their opinion about RON PAUL are trying to stop the momentum.

Yeah, when I voice my opinion about Hillary or any of the other candidates, I'm trying to stop the momentum.

Check into reality why don't you?

BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 11:55 AM
If you want people to know to whom you are calling a ZIONIST SHILL, I suggest you use BlueAngel.

Only you and your buddy Barbara use the DA acronym.

Seems the RAT is running out of ammunition.

Sticks and stones....!

redrat11
12-06-2007, 11:50 PM
Ron Paul On American History...


December 06, 2007
"A History Lesson With Dr. Paul"
"One of the many quirks of Ron Paul's unexpectedly vigorous campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has been that he has been able to generate such a fervent following despite a campaign manner that verges on the grandfatherly. But in a brief interview in New Hampshire a few days ago, Paul showed that he is capable of delivering a barbed line or two, albeit wrapped in a kindly septuagenarian smile.

"Asked what he made of John McCain's comments at last week's GOP debate comparing Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq to the appeasement of Hitler in the 1930s, Paul let loose, saying that McCain was "confused historically."

"'People in the 1930s who didn't want war didn't cause World War II. I think Hitler caused the war, not the Americans who argued for a pro-American foreign policy,' he said.

"'I don't think [McCain] understands the difference between isolationism and non-intervention. How can he condemn it if the Founders believed in it? George Washington, Jefferson, this was their strong advice.'"

Alec MacGillis, Washington Post, 12/06/07

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/12/a-history-lesso.html

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http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Peter
12-07-2007, 07:21 AM
A here Ron Paul reveals himself. He does not know anything about US history or he is lying. The second WW2 was organized for a big part by the US. The funding for the nazi party and warmachine came from Wallstreet. Rockefellers standard oil transfered the essential patetents to the nazis to make synthetic fuels. Ever thought about the dead camps in europe? The allies were bombing the hell out of germany. You would think that they also could bomb the railroads on which they were transporting the jews to the concentration camps. Thats not what happend, because cooperations like IBM were profiting big time from jewish slave labor. I suggest Ron Paul start educating himself before he makes a fool of himself again.

Than he mentions the founding father myth. As Ron Paul probably knows they were all free masons and they wrote this piece of scrap paper called the constitution to keep people quit. These masons know very well than when you found a new nation, people need some kind of fantasy ideas to get it going. Ron Paul is reforcing the founding father myth here. Judging from his satanic handsigns he must be in the know about the masonic founding fathers. He is just lying than.

Unbelievable that people like rat can fall for this illuminati liar.

BlueAngel
12-07-2007, 09:20 AM
I become quite tired of hearing about how our Founding Fathers had the people's best interest at heart.

As you said, Peter, all Freemasons who wrote the constitution to convince the people they had power.

Peter
12-07-2007, 11:35 PM
And it worked. Most US people still believe in democracy. Look how excited they get from these fake elections. Hear how they always talk about the waste paper called the constitution.

redrat11
12-08-2007, 01:05 AM
Ron Paul on Civil Disobedience


Gun Control

Israel Iran

Huckabee and Romney


the Zio Stooges are out in force on this thread, never mind them, they are in "conspiracy stupidity" mode.



Never mind the DA and the Frenchman...


http://www.newsweek.com/id/73850

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 06:25 AM
What are you RAT, a warning flag for what you perceive to be impending danger?

I think people can make up their own mind as to what is said on this thread.

They don't need a "disinformation agent" to do their thinking for them.

As Peter said, the CONTROLLERS have done a very good job in convincing the people that we live in a DEMOCRACY where our civil rights and liberties are protected under the Constitution, when, in fact, the Constitution in no way, shape or form provides protection or power to the people.

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 12:58 PM
From Makow's front page:

Is this a Masonic Handshake?

You Decide

http://www.gaiaguys.net/masonsigns.htm

December 2, 2007

From Richard in Hawaii-

That screen grab you posted of Ron Paul giving the masonic handshake to PJ O'Rourke is from the following clip of Bill Maher's show:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0&feature=related

Prior to that, you can see Ronny give the same masonic shake to Ben (John Kerry's my hero) Affleck. At the end of the interview RP and Maher share a cabbalistic high and low shake with Maher giving the left hand cover and wrist grab. Ron gets up and leaves flashing another masonic/cablistic sign with the index finger pointing up and the thumb extended horizontically.

The only question I have left is: Is Ron Paul Jewish? He's certainly a mason and a cabalist, and an insider.

And, btw, the Hawaiian hang loose sign is made with the thumb and PINKIE, ie. smallest finger extended, with the index, middle, and ring fingers all closed over the palm.......not even close to the diablo sign.

[Watch Bill Maher change his tune. "Every Muslim who attacks us is not a terrorist, at least not in Iraq."-Makow]

redrat11
12-08-2007, 01:15 PM
Ron Paul..
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Ron Paul 2008

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Peter
12-08-2007, 01:52 PM
Yes these masonic handshakes of Ron Paul are clear. He's clearly an illuminist. Thanks for posting this revealing video Blue Angel.

This is how the illumnist work. They know that many people are dissatisfied with the democrats and republicans, so they come up with a new leader to lead the sheep. In this case its Ron Paul. The patriot sheep have the feeling that Ron Paul is a good alternative for the next president, Hillary. By introducing Ron Paul in this theater much of the energy of the opposition to Hillary is deflected. Most patriot sheep are not educated in the not so secret masonic sign language, so they do not recognize the handsigns etc. For insiders or educated people its very clear: Ron Paul is an illuminist.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 02:10 PM
peter or whoever you are

what solid proof can you provide that Ron Paul is indeed either an illuminati stooge, a satanist, and an evil person disguised as a good, honorable, and true patriot that wants to bring America back to a place where people can once again be able to prosper by their own labor and effort and not have their moneys stolen by the global slackies

now you are basing your entire conclusion on a hand sign that could very well be a “Love” sign for the deaf

have you done any research or are you just talking because it sounds good you your evil ears?

I don’t know, but you sound more like either an angry republican or angry democrat who can’t stand the fact that Ron Paul has awaken a great majority of the sleeping Americans and they are waking up by the bandwagons. your only argument is that he is “them” (the bad guys) and so you equate him with the illuminati and that’s that. no more argument, no research, no corroboration of any kind, you just say and then it becomes what you want to hear?

they continue to commit fraud at the polls (because they still have their people control those outlets), they do not show the truth on the TV, they pretend Paul does not exist, and then they have people like you come out of nowhere and say whatever garbage you have to say about Ron Paul and think that any idiot is going to believe you?

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 02:18 PM
Actually, RON PAUL himself is presenting the evidence to the public as to whether or not he is an Illuminist.

Peter
12-08-2007, 02:27 PM
Me9 welcome to this forum,

Like Blue Angel said, Ron Paul makes it very clear that he's an illuminist. Blue Angel and me understand the symbolic language and signs they use, so for us its very clear. I suggest you read something yourself about masonic symbolism.

I also noticed you have a misplaced believe in democracy. Elections really do not matter. The next president was choosen already a long long time ago. She has been trained for performing this role all her life. Almost every president of the united states was an illuminist. No difference for the next one.

Do you really think that the superrich would let us choose the next leader of this powerfull colony of the britisch empire?

redrat11
12-08-2007, 02:40 PM
Ron Paul..
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Ron Paul 2008

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Use your brains DA, quit taking Makows word as the Gospel Truth, he may be a ZIONIST Stooge, or did that not occur to you? I'm going to lay out the facts of how wrong you are about R.Paul.



1. Not one 'evil' organization of the Zionist, (and I'm not going to use the stupid "illuminati" word here.)does Ron Paul belong to, NOT ONE!

2, Not one centilla of evidence to prove he is ZIONIST stooge.

3. the ONLY Candidate to tell the truth about the CONSPIRACY to destroy America.

4. The only candidate that has NEVER been associated with other "family within" the power structure at large.


You see DA it is you who is not seeing what is really there. I have given you fact upon fact, you have given me NOTHING but suspicions, and half truths based upon NOTHING. Ron Paul is a American who truly LOVES this Country, he has worked endlessly to expose and try to stop the Coming calamities for decades in the U.S. Congress.



this website has EVERY person who is a traitor and wishes this country to be destroyed, The JEW created organizations controlling this Country, YOU WILL NOT FIND, NOR WILL EVER FIND RON PAULS NAME ON THERE. LOOK FOR YOURSELF!



YOU will find, ALL THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES names on there though.

http://www.geocities.com/zembmor98/

http://www.geocities.com/wplitynski/index.html

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 02:40 PM
yeah, but neither blueangel nor you are subject matter authorities or experts of any kind, please. blueangel has already proven without a doubt that she reads and understand things that were neither said nor written the way she understood them. so that alone, i’m sorry to say but it is true, disqualifies blueangel from having any credibility to be able to judge here.

and you have not yet answered the question. how can you base your entire conclusion that Ron Paul is an illuminati based on a questionable hand sign that could very well be nothing but a signal of “Love” for the “deaf” in the audience. you obviously do not think that “deaf” people are real people too.

you don’t think that “deaf” people deserve also to be addressed?

do you think that Ron Paul being a medical doctor is not aware of the “deaf”?

or are you the one who is actually “deaf” here and do not want to “hear” the truth about “deaf” people and hand-signs for the “deaf”? what part is it that you would like to deny?

don’t you realize that hand signals for the “deaf” are very real and that they have been used for a very long time, even before you were born?

saying Ron Paul is an illuminati does not make it so. you have to prove it with real evidence we can all corroborate. not just some very questionable hand sign. that does not prove anything.

if you can’t prove that he is indeed an illuminati with other verifiable evidence, then “you are just saying” and you are not saying anything of any substance. and if that is the case then you are “disinformation” yourself.

I am willing to listen and check out the evidence, but you better give us something better than a very questionable hand sign that means “Love” to the “deaf” (those that can not hear words in the audience) which are very real people that deserve to be addressed also.

redrat11
12-08-2007, 02:42 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
peter or whoever you are

what solid proof can you provide that Ron Paul is indeed either an illuminati stooge, a satanist, and an evil person disguised as a good, honorable, and true patriot that wants to bring America back to a place where people can once again be able to prosper by their own labor and effort and not have their moneys stolen by the global slackies

now you are basing your entire conclusion on a hand sign that could very well be a “Love” sign for the deaf

have you done any research or are you just talking because it sounds good you your evil ears?

I don’t know, but you sound more like either an angry republican or angry democrat who can’t stand the fact that Ron Paul has awaken a great majority of the sleeping Americans and they are waking up by the bandwagons. your only argument is that he is “them” (the bad guys) and so you equate him with the illuminati and that’s that. no more argument, no research, no corroboration of any kind, you just say and then it becomes what you want to hear?

they continue to commit fraud at the polls (because they still have their people control those outlets), they do not show the truth on the TV, they pretend Paul does not exist, and then they have people like you come out of nowhere and say whatever garbage you have to say about Ron Paul and think that any idiot is going to believe you?



You are 100% Correct.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 02:46 PM
thank you redrat11

Peter
12-08-2007, 03:10 PM
Yes the illuminati introduce these handsigns everywhere in society but they still mean the same thing: I am an satanist and lucifer is my master. The same they did with 911, they made it the phonenumber you call to get rescued. Do you see the irony here?

For the rest I did not hear Ron Paul say anything of any value. He's just reinforcing the offical mantra of terrorism, constitution, democracy and other non-sense. Ofcourse they put a bit of NWO stuff into his speeches to roll over the patriot sheep.

redrat11
12-08-2007, 03:39 PM
Peter wrote:
Yes the illuminati introduce these handsigns everywhere in society but they still mean the same thing: I am an satanist and lucifer is my master. The same they did with 911, they made it the phonenumber you call to get rescued. Do you see the irony here?

For the rest I did not hear Ron Paul say anything of any value. He's just reinforcing the offical mantra of terrorism, constitution, democracy and other non-sense. Ofcourse they put a bit of NWO stuff into his speeches to roll over the patriot sheep.


Your true colors show, after every post you make, careful, the "sheep" are watching you.

Peter
12-08-2007, 03:43 PM
Beh, beh... Just vote for Ron Paul, give him all your money. Just remember: your vote does not count. The next president will probably be Hillary. Probably they decided this already a long time ago.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 03:45 PM
Peter wrote:
Yes the illuminati introduce these handsigns everywhere in society but they still mean the same thing: I am an satanist and lucifer is my master. The same they did with 911, they made it the phonenumber you call to get rescued. Do you see the irony here?

For the rest I did not hear Ron Paul say anything of any value. He's just reinforcing the offical mantra of terrorism, constitution, democracy and other non-sense. Ofcourse they put a bit of NWO stuff into his speeches to roll over the patriot sheep.

you are still not giving anything of any substance. just a few words and phrases here and there, the 911 irony, what the sign means to the illuminati, you haven’t heard Ron Paul say anything of any substance, yet you don’t say anything of any substance whatsoever. reinforcing the official mantra, that’s exactly what you are doing, repeating your own mantra of disinformation hoping that some weak one, is going to believe you? just because you use the phrase “patriot sheep”.

come on...

you got to do better than that. you are not saying anything of any value, substance, or meaning. it is not even worthy of publication

you are not saying anything and then expect that “your message” is heard, by who?

you are ignoring everything I already told you about. your view of the world if very narrow

if you do not prove without a doubt what you are saying about Ron Paul only proves that you are indeed a very misinformed individual with a very misguided agenda of “disinformation”, that’s what you seem to be a “disinformation” agent to provide non-facts, disinformation, confusion, chaos, disorder, disbelief, lack of any hope.

you seem to have all of the qualities you so adamantly profess about Ron Paul

your opinion is not fact. show some verifiable facts besides the “love” sign or try something else, because your facade is not working. you are “disinformation” yourself...

redrat11
12-08-2007, 04:19 PM
redrat11 wrote:
More evidence that Blue Angel and Makow are WRONG!

But, just can't ADMIT they are.Not surprising...
http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm



How to spot Disinformation Agents like Makow and DA, here i provided a link to a article that clearly shows that Ron Paul has been tirelessly exposing the NWO- ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT agenda for years, The Zio Media immediately lambast him as a 'kook' conspiracy theorist, and yet Makow and DA, both supposedly 'conspiracy theorist' show there true colors and take the side of the mainstream media, they completely ignore everything R. paul has been trying to expose to the American people for years, So what does this say about there actual intent on this forum, and on Makows site as well?



That answer is so easy, so lets review this again, Makow posted a "letter" from a "unknown woman" on his website that supposedly shows R. Paul flashing the "illuminati rubbish" devil sign, the lady sent 5 you tube videos to Makow on his website to indicate this, I later posted those videos and reviewed them, there was not one centilla of PROOF that he flashed the devil horn salute, or whatever they call it sign.


Makow is a disinfromation specialist because in a earlier article in October i believe, he again had a hit piece on Ron Paul, this one, I am sure he tried to slip by the untrained eye, he had a article about that FULFORD character, which, just by coincidence MAKOW introduced to the conspiracy world at large, FULFORD as it turned out IS A COMPLETE FRAUD! I posted that here on this site the day Makow had him up on his website, What is Makow up to? Who controls him? Those are real questions needing answers, anyway Makow placed a picture of Ron Paul, by some other DISINFORMATION ARTIST, some supposed Army person who is against the war in Iraq, I will retreive that article soon, and post it here, Makow placed R. Pauls photo by that "Army Guy" something is definately not right here, but, of course I have told everybody that since day one I've been on this forum, DA, about now is preparing a slime post to discredit my words, and tht is fine as she like the "Peter" guy, have already discredited themselves by showing to the world that they want HOPLESSNESS and CALAMITY, they seek the destruction of this Country and its Constitution, for there own selfish purposes, Makow is indeed a slick artist, Why does,nt he recognize that there does not exist NOT ONE CENTILLA OF EVIDENCE TO INCRIMINATE RON PAUL AS BEING part of the NWO?


You now know the answer to that? or should I say, you will soon.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105


here is the article about the North American Union, something Makow and DA seem very content to happen.

http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 05:04 PM
disinformation agents
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, where as if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helpnessless)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend is ok, they made a mistake (like blueangel) and want you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing the stupid and misguided agenda or empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated, suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing “disinformation” themselves
- will never provide with solid provable evidence, because there is none they can find

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 07:32 PM
So, all the other servants of the Illuminati who flash the "devil's horns" are really flashing the LOVE SIGN!!

Bush, Blair, Clinton, etc., etc., etc.

Please, you can do better than that, or can you?

Like I said earlier, Ron Paul doesn't love me and he doesn't love you and we certainly don't need an elderly politician flashing the LOVE SIGN.

Besides, it's not a LOVE sign!!

Bill Maher is nothing but a rich, suck-up political pundit.

You cannot be so naive to believe that the persons the powers that be place in front of the public for candidacy, when elected, will NOT be doing their "dirty work" for them and that in most cases, they are NOT ONE OF THEM.

As I've said before, if Paul is elected, which he won't be, and he isn't ONE OF THEM, you can be sure, the powers that be aren't going to let this man control them.

THEY WILL CONTROL HIM using whatever means necessary if control mechanisms such as sexual blackmail, etc. are not already in place!

NO ONE CONTROLS THEM!!

NO ONE IS ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES UNLESS THEY ARE ONE OF THEM.

NO ONE!!

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 07:55 PM
you certainly hate everything, don't you?

what do you care about?

what do you love?

do you care about humanity?

what do you think America should do then?

bend over and ask, please don't hurt me too bad?

why are you so damn negative?

obviously the elite's hand sign, which is fully formed and very obvious means something for them, in their secret cirlces, but to generalize and insinuate that what Ron Paul (the man) appears to be doing is the same thing, and then to condemn him eternally as a sadistic and filthy Satanist is a bit too much. as a detective, or policeman (provided you were not one of the many crooked ones) you would jump the gun too soon and convict someone before they even have a chance of being proven guilty, without reasonable doubt. which by the way you have not proven shit, yet.

where does all of your hate for everything comes from, anyway? is that bad "chi" going out the wrong end or what?

please enlighten us with some real truth, not just your typical on liner crap, please...

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 08:10 PM
Because I said NO ONE gets into the White House unless they are ONE OF THEM, you have interpreted this to mean I hate everything?

Huh??

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 08:15 PM
no babe, your tone and your comments hate everything!

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 08:17 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
no babe, your tone and your comments hate everything!

Actually, I'd have to disagree with you.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 08:24 PM
oh,...just like that...

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 08:36 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
oh,...just like that...

Just like magic.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 10:09 PM
you are in heavy duty denial. you need some therapy, big time. maybe even some medical stuff to calm you down and be whole again...

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 10:17 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
you are in heavy duty denial. you need some therapy, big time. maybe even some medical stuff to calm you down and be whole again...

Denial about what?

I couldn't be more whole.

If I were, there would be two of me and if that were the case, you'd need some heavy duty medication if you're not taking some already.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-08-2007, 10:39 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
you are in heavy duty denial. you need some therapy, big time. maybe even some medical stuff to calm you down and be whole again...

Denial about what?

I couldn't be more whole.

If I were, <u>there would be two of me</u> and if that were the case, you'd need some heavy duty medication if you're not taking some already.

don't you think that one of you evil monsters is enough. two of you? that would be a double-demon, a two-winged monster dragon...

BlueAngel
12-08-2007, 11:05 PM
9G7X5t1r2M said:

"don't you think that one of you evil monsters is enough. two of you? that would be a double-demon, a two-winged monster dragon..."

Sorry, pal, but being female, strong and true to my convictions doesn't make me an evil monster.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 09:26 AM
look, here is a continuous run on videos from abc on Ron Paul, it’s great

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3970423&page=1

just hit “play” and enjoy...

Peter
12-09-2007, 01:25 PM
All the patriot sheep are following their new shepherd given to them by the illuminist. Their new shepherd Ron Paul is a fraud however. Watch him on the Bill Mahler show. The patriot sheep live in fear. Fear to be different from other sheep. Go back grazing patriot sheep. This forum is dangerous for you because there are actually people here who are not part of the flock.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 09:18 PM
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

BlueAngel
12-09-2007, 09:41 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
disinformation agents
- are arrogant know it all-s, when in fact are nothing but hot-air filled provocateurs
- provide nothing but catch phrases and mantras and very heavy accusations without any proof
- adopt low level techniques such as quick name calling, mocking, categorizing, and associating without any real proof
- claim that the people they accuse of being hidden illuminati stooges throw in NWO phrases and mantras, yet they do not show you that Ron Paul does indeed talk and discuss these issues in depth not just phrases and mantras
- accuse whoever they choose without proof
- provide sporadic one liners claiming they know who started world war II, and that Ron Paul is ignorant of history, whereas if you investigate you’d soon realize that they (the “disinformation” buffoons) are the ones that state one liners that are not even factual, like wwII being an American creation instead of mostly European (http://www.henrymakow.com/001523.html)
- create chaos, confusion, disorder, mistrust, disbelieve, lack of hope
- profess everyone is bad, even the very few good guys are satanists, without any verifiable evidence whatsoever
- are happy just the way things are
- provide no answers or solutions
- claim that everything is fixed and that there is no way out (helplessness)
- when confronted do not address the issues in questions and do not address the specific concerns you point out to them, and then go out in hiding and place their focus and assault on something or someone else
- pretend everything is ok, that they just made a mistake and want for you to just forget about it so that they can go onto continuing their stupid and misguided agenda of empty garbage
- although elections have been seen even recently to be fraudulently manipulated (by the controlling party), suggest that voting is irrelevant and persuade you not to exercise one of the very few rights we have left. even if they are manipulated this is one of the most powerful acts we can do as citizens, to go out and vote in mass, just for the powerful symbolism it carries the day that it is exercised and the etheric energy it produces
- provide no verifiable facts
- provide no verifiable proof
- prove by their very nature of misguidance, without solutions, and acceptance that they are nothing but “disinformation” agents themselves
- will never provide you with any solid provable and verifiable evidence, because there is none they can find

Thanks for informing us of your status as a disinformation agent.

You appear to fit all the characteristics.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 10:06 PM
every time you post you prove my point without me having to do anything

you provide empty nothing

you took my work, wrapped it around (like if you knew what it actually means, which you still don’t), claimed without any proof that I am what you wholeheartedly are – a disinformation provocateur, an instigator at best

and then you are happy with the empty garbage you just provided

you are worthless, go back to your stupid SPRINGSTEEN thread you are so obsessed about and learn more about pedophiliacs. what a past-time...

BlueAngel
12-09-2007, 10:11 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
every time you post you prove my point without me having to do anything

Every time I post, I prove my point and disprove your point.

you provide empty nothing

The pages I fill are not empty.

you took my work, wrapped it around (like if you knew what it actually means, which you still don’t), claimed without any proof that I am what you wholeheartedly are – a disinformation provocateur, an instigator at best

What's good for the goose....

and then you are happy with the empty garbage you just provided

I am happy providing useful information, intelligence and knowledge.

you are worthless, go back to your stupid SPRINGSTEEN thread you are so obsessed about and learn more about pedophiliacs. what a past-time...

I am priceless.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 10:20 PM
Every time I post, I prove my point and disprove your point.

you are an "idiot" - a person of subnormal intelligence; changeling, cretin, half-wit, imbecile, moron, retard; simple, simpleton

BlueAngel
12-09-2007, 10:22 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Every time I post, I prove my point and disprove your point.

me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:

you are an "idiot" - a person of subnormal intelligence; changeling, cretin, half-wit, imbecile, moron, retard; simple, simpleton

See, I just proved my point.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 10:25 PM
you are showing everyone what an idiot you really are, but you are just too stupid to realize...

BlueAngel
12-09-2007, 10:26 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
you are showing everyone what an idiot you really are, but you are just too stupid to realize...

You certainly are demonstrating very well what you speak.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 10:27 PM
and you still don't get it...

BlueAngel
12-09-2007, 10:29 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
and you still don't get it...

Oh, I get it. You can be sure of that.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-09-2007, 10:34 PM
Ok, I can't see you are getting nothing, because you are nothing that provides nothing but emptiness, a void...

redrat11
12-09-2007, 11:06 PM
Me9, Don't let the Morons DA (dumb Ass) Shadow, and the others get to you , everybody who post's here knows they are fucken idiots and disinformation MORONS, they think that people actually listens to there stupid drivel of non-sense.


DA has been banned at least 6 times from this forum because of her absolute stupidity, Shadow, who may be "peter" is another idiot who should be banned from here, but like I said on this thread they are all connected together for disinformation purposes, I have been here for over 2 years I think, I have never been banned, but I know for sure this DA (BA) is one of the most stupid idiots on this forum, well, second to Shadow.


Just fucken ignore there stupid asses. There probably the same person, DA is mentally sick you know.just ask anyone here.

redrat11
12-09-2007, 11:11 PM
NOTICE HOW THE IDIOTS DA AND the others don't respond to this post.






More evidence that Blue Angel and Makow are WRONG!

But, just can't ADMIT they are.Not surprising...
http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm



How to spot Disinformation Agents like Makow and DA, here i provided a link to a article that clearly shows that Ron Paul has been tirelessly exposing the NWO- ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT agenda for years, The Zio Media immediately lambast him as a 'kook' conspiracy theorist, and yet Makow and DA, both supposedly 'conspiracy theorist' show there true colors and take the side of the mainstream media, they completely ignore everything R. paul has been trying to expose to the American people for years, So what does this say about there actual intent on this forum, and on Makows site as well?



That answer is so easy, so lets review this again, Makow posted a "letter" from a "unknown woman" on his website that supposedly shows R. Paul flashing the "illuminati rubbish" devil sign, the lady sent 5 you tube videos to Makow on his website to indicate this, I later posted those videos and reviewed them, there was not one centilla of PROOF that he flashed the devil horn salute, or whatever they call it sign.


Makow is a disinfromation specialist because in a earlier article in October i believe, he again had a hit piece on Ron Paul, this one, I am sure he tried to slip by the untrained eye, he had a article about that FULFORD character, which, just by coincidence MAKOW introduced to the conspiracy world at large, FULFORD as it turned out IS A COMPLETE FRAUD! I posted that here on this site the day Makow had him up on his website, What is Makow up to? Who controls him? Those are real questions needing answers, anyway Makow placed a picture of Ron Paul, by some other DISINFORMATION ARTIST, some supposed Army person who is against the war in Iraq, I will retreive that article soon, and post it here, Makow placed R. Pauls photo by that "Army Guy" something is definately not right here, but, of course I have told everybody that since day one I've been on this forum, DA, about now is preparing a slime post to discredit my words, and tht is fine as she like the "Peter" guy, have already discredited themselves by showing to the world that they want HOPLESSNESS and CALAMITY, they seek the destruction of this Country and its Constitution, for there own selfish purposes, Makow is indeed a slick artist, Why does,nt he recognize that there does not exist NOT ONE CENTILLA OF EVIDENCE TO INCRIMINATE RON PAUL AS BEING part of the NWO?


You now know the answer to that? or should I say, you will soon.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105


here is the article about the North American Union, something Makow and DA seem very content to happen.

http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm


They can't respond! becuse they have no intelligent response within reason.

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 08:35 AM
redrat11 wrote:
Me9, Don't let the Morons DA (dumb Ass) Shadow, and the others get to you , everybody who post's here knows they are fucken idiots and disinformation MORONS, they think that people actually listens to there stupid drivel of non-sense.

Seems someone has gotten to you. You have proven yourself to be exactly what you say I am in this one post and many others. If people aren't listening, why are you writing a post warning people not to listen?

DA has been banned at least 6 times from this forum because of her absolute stupidity, Shadow, who may be "peter" is another idiot who should be banned from here, but like I said on this thread they are all connected together for disinformation purposes, I have been here for over 2 years I think, I have never been banned, but I know for sure this DA (BA) is one of the most stupid idiots on this forum, well, second to Shadow.

I was not banned six times. I had some very well deserved RR from people like yourself on this forum and the six times figure is grossly exaggerated. I have no connection to ANYONE on this forum. I am a LONE WOLF.

Just fucken ignore there stupid asses. There probably the same person, DA is mentally sick you know.just ask anyone here.

And, you are someone who can state as to the psychological well being of another. Don't think so, pal.

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 08:38 AM
RedRat said:

"They can't respond! becuse they have no intelligent response within reason."

What? Do you think the minute you write a ridiculous comment laced with profanity, people are just chomping at the bit to respond to your inane remarks?

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 08:39 AM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
Ok, I can't see you are getting nothing, because you are nothing that provides nothing but emptiness, a void...

This is worthy of what?

Nothing.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-10-2007, 11:20 PM
very, very, good

congratulations

because it is all about you.

now you see it.

it represents the essence who you are, a reflection of what you represent

so as you said

nothing

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 11:38 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
very, very, good

congratulations

because it is all about you.

now you see it.

it represents the essence who you are, a reflection of what you represent

so as you said

nothing

You're misinterpreting again, Pal.

Your post was NOTHING!

If you think it's all about me, why then, it wouldn't be about NOTHING, it would be about SOMETHING very BIG!

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 11:41 PM
I was trained like a boxer.

Always to greet my opponent with a jab bigger than the punch he threw.

You won't win.

That's why I'm who I am and I am where I am.

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 11:44 PM
Come on, "hit me with your best shot, fire away."

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 11:53 PM
I assume you don't have a better shot.

You've been cornered, too, just like the RAT!

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-11-2007, 12:44 AM
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-11-2007, 09:57 PM
Bombed If You Do, Bombed If You Don't - by Rep. Ron Paul

December 11, 2007

The latest National Intelligence Estimate has been greeted by a mixture of relief and alarm. As I have been saying all along, Iran indeed poses no quantifiable imminent nuclear threat to us or her neighbors. It is with much alarm, however, that we see the administration continue to ratchet up the war rhetoric as if nothing has changed.

Indeed nothing has changed from the administration's perspective, as they have had this latest intelligence report for some time. Only this week has it been made known to the public. They want it both ways with Iran. On the one hand, they discredit the report entirely, despite it being one of the most comprehensive intelligence reports on the subject, with over 1,000 source notes in the document. On the other hand, when discrediting it fails, they claim that the timing of the abandonment of the weapons program, just as we were invading Iraq, means our pressure must have worked, so we must keep it up with a new round of even tougher sanctions. Russia and China are not buying this, apparently, and again we are finding ourselves on a lonely, tenuous platform on the world stage.

The truth is Iran is being asked to do the logically impossible feat of proving a negative. They are being presumed guilty until proven innocent because there is no evidence with which to indict them. There is still no evidence that Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has ever violated the treaty's terms – and the terms clearly state that Iran is allowed to pursue nuclear energy for peaceful civilian energy needs. The United States cannot unilaterally change the terms of the treaty, and it is unfair and unwise diplomatically to impose sanctions for no legitimate reason.

Are we to think that Iran hasn't noticed the duplicitous treatment being received by so-called nuclear threats around the globe? If they have been paying attention, and I think they have, they would see that if countries do have a nuclear weapon, they tend to be left alone, or possibly get a subsidy, but if they do not gain such a weapon then we threaten them. Why wouldn't they want to pursue a nuclear weapon if that is our current foreign policy? The fact remains, there is no evidence they actually have one, or could have one any time soon, even if they immediately resumed a weapons program.

Our badly misguided foreign policy has already driven this country's economy to the brink of bankruptcy with one war based on misinformation. It is unthinkable that despite the lack of any evidence of a threat, some are still charging headstrong into yet another war in the Middle East when what we ought to be doing is coming home from Iraq, coming home from Korea, coming home from Germany, and defending our own soil. We do not need to be interfering in the internal affairs of other countries and waging war when honest trade, friendship, and diplomacy are the true paths to peace and prosperity.

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=12033

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 10:03 AM
Excerpt from above post:

"Are we to think that Iran hasn't noticed the duplicitous treatment being received by so-called nuclear threats around the globe? If they have been paying attention, and I think they have, they would see that if countries do have a nuclear weapon, they tend to be left alone, or possibly get a subsidy, but if they do not gain such a weapon then we threaten them. Why wouldn't they want to pursue a nuclear weapon if that is our current foreign policy? The fact remains, there is no evidence they actually have one, or could have one any time soon, even if they immediately resumed a weapons program."

--------------------------------------------

Which countries have nuclear weapons?

Shadow
12-12-2007, 10:50 AM
Does "Springsteen" have nuclear weapons?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 11:27 AM
List of states with nuclear weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_weapons

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 11:39 AM
So, is Ron Paul suggesting Iran secure nuclear weapons so the US will leave that country alone?

He says, that the PM must be paying attention to this fact.

Also, he states that our forces should be at home defending us.

Defending the US from what?

Another inside job?

They didn't defend us on 911, what makes Ron Paul think they would defend us against any other attack they instigate upon the American citizens.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 12:13 PM
blueangel, you are not cured yet.

you still read stuff that it isn’t there, and you still suggest implications that were not implied

you have to start seriously reading savethemales, alex jones, and jeff rense articles to know what’s really going on, but you also have to understand what they are really saying without making your own implications that are way off. get a dictionary nearby and a terminal connected to the internet

if you did (read and understand) you wouldn't be asking these questions, and you would know the answers

I don’t have time for this

good bye and farewell

get some help, and do us all a favor

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 05:18 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
blueangel, you are not cured yet.

you still read stuff that it isn’t there, and you still suggest implications that were not implied

Excuse me, but I read exactly what is there. It's one of my SPECIALTIES.

you have to start seriously reading savethemales, alex jones, and jeff rense articles to know what’s really going on, but you also have to understand what they are really saying without making your own implications that are way off. get a dictionary nearby and a terminal connected to the internet

I don't have to start seriously reading anything. So, what is Ron Paul REALLY saying ME?

if you did (read and understand) you wouldn't be asking these questions, and you would know the answers

They're called extractions from text that underscore that which needs to be pointed out and pondered. They are not questions, per say.

I don’t have time for this

I don't think that is of concern to anyone here.



good bye and farewell

Ta, ta.

get some help, and do us all a favor

I don't do favors for the likes of you, but I would suggest you get some help.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 10:07 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

blueangel, you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your grave that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little (I'm being nice)

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of anyone’s time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 10:22 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

Yes, definitely the Illuminati rejected me as much as I rejected them. Who is the US you continue to refer to? The other useless posters on this forum such as yourself?

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

I bother and irritate those who are here for dishonest purposes such as yourself. All content I provide is useful.

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

I fill pages with useful information contrary to what you and others provide.

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

My attitude bothers you because I don't stand down. I have complete self-respect and discipline. I respect everyone in this forum. It is obvious I am a target of mudslinging by most of those who are here for dishonest purposes. Just because I disagree, doesn't mean I disrespect. I have utmost respect for myself that's why I risked my life to escape the cult where respect was non-existent.

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

Obviously, I'm not the fool around here.

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

No, dear, I'm mature and grown-up unlike you. My responses are intelligent. You are useless to this forum, but a 12 year old might be more useful to this forum than yourself.

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I don't criticize. Read your posts to me. What, prey tell would you be doing? I am full of love.

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

I have no intention of leaving. Who is everyone? Those who are here for dishonest purposes?

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

You're not capable of doing anything useful. But, I certainly am performing a very useful mission.

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

I'm not asking for your help nor do I need it. If I needed help, my husband would be the one to provide it and not some anonymous poster on an internet site.

good bye and farewell

You said that before, now, please adhere to your promises.

get some help, “pronto”

I don't need help. But, Springsteen is certainly beyond it.

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 10:35 PM
ME said:

blueangel, you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

Obviously, I don't represent the Illuminati and if you think the Illuminati represent real truth, you have a serious problem, pal, and I suggest you seek help. I don't claim to represent anyone but myself. Lone wolf, operative word, dear.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your grave that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

I represent no one but myself. I know exactly what I am talking about.

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

I don't say I'm right. I post my opinions and my answers to rebuttals. Those who know I've proven them wrong and I'm right, such as yourself, become irritated, angry, sling mud, call names, criticize like 12 year olds.

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little (I'm being nice)

I have a very firm grip on logic and understanding. In fact, I am more fine-tuned to perception than the normal person. No need for you to be nice now.

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of any one's time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

Yes, you are wasting your time. You said farewell before. See if you can adhere to your promise this time. Please get some help and get better real quick so you can come back to the forum in a better frame of mind.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 10:36 PM
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

go away (back to your stupid pathetic thread)

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 11:19 PM
Is that all, dear?

Would you like to add anything else as to your opinion of me?

As if it matters.

Please, carry on!

By the way, did you hear that MadMel congratulated one of the posters at BTX because she is now two people who MadMel knows that was touched by Springsteen.

In fact, MadMel, at one show, had her hands on Springsteen's knees and her head in between his legs.

Something like that!

Isn't that something to write home about?

A dream come true, wouldn't you say?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 11:30 PM
the shit you talk about is of no interest to anyone

just go away

go back to your pathetic and filthy springsteen thread (about pedophilia)

the only reason you are here is because you enjoy being a pain in the ass

yes, a literal pain in the ass

that is all you are, a pathetic provocateur

you don’t belong here

leave us intellectuals alone, you filthy pervert

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 11:44 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
the shit you talk about is of no interest to anyone

It's of no interest to you. You can't speak for everyone who READS this site.

just go away

No intention of going away.

go back to your pathetic and filthy Springsteen thread (about pedophilia)

Yes, Springsteen is pathetic and filthy, isn't he? Part of the "satanic cult" that Makow talks about and the NWO.

the only reason you are here is because you enjoy being a pain in the ass

It's my job to be here and I'm doing a service to my country, but if I'm a pain in the ar*se to you, I guess you'll have to find some way to deal with it, darlin.'

yes, a literal pain in the ass

Really, you feel a pain there? So, sorry. Time to visit the doctor and take a sabbatical from Club Conspiracy. You know, we wouldn't miss you.

that is all you are, a pathetic provocateur

No, I'm not a provocateur, I'm a truth teller and it provokes you into anger.

you don’t belong here

You don't belong anywhere.

leave us intellectuals alone, you filthy pervert

You talk as if you belong to some group, you filthy pervert.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 11:50 PM
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your death that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of anyone’s time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

just go away

go back to your pathetic and filthy springsteen thread (about pedophilia)

that is all you are, a pathetic provocateur

you don’t belong here

leave us intellectuals alone, you filthy pervert

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 11:52 PM
I thought you didn't have the time for this.

I thought you were leaving.

Obsessed?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-12-2007, 11:55 PM
you still don't understand

good bye and fairwell, means good bye to you

go away...

BlueAngel
12-13-2007, 12:02 AM
You said you were leaving, good-bye and farewell.

Those were your words.

Now you're eating them.

How do they taste?

BlueAngel
12-13-2007, 12:03 AM
I'm not leaving so I guess you'll have to seek psychiatric help in order to learn how to deal with people you are ill-equipped to deal with.

BlueAngel
12-13-2007, 12:04 AM
It's waaayyyy past your bedtime.





























Night.

redrat11
12-13-2007, 03:38 PM
The Wave That Cannot Be Stopped...



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redrat11
12-13-2007, 04:38 PM
* christie requested a response. To respond simply reply to
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What christie wrote:
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A very important reminder to all:

December 16th is the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, a
time when A mericans stood up to an oppressive government. This
Sunday marks that anniversary. As you all know we are holding
a donation drive on that day. What you may not know is that we
have turned this into THE pivotal moment of the whole
campaign. We are now asking everyone to donate every dime they
thought of donating throughout the entire campaign, because,
well, face it: this is the entire campaign.

The primaries start in a few weeks. If we don't turn Ron Paul
into an "electable" candidate by then to the mainstream we
don't stand a chance.

There is one way and one way only to make him "electable." We
must show the world what kind of support he has. We must show
them that he has hundreds of thousands of supporters willing to
donate to him. If we can't drum up that kind of action anyway,
we may as well pack it in.

The number of donors will be equally as important as the amount
of money we raise. Last time a paltry 38,000 people donated.
Is that all the support Dr. Ron Paul has out here???? NO! NOT
A CHANCE.

So, please, everyone, mark you calendars and give it ALL! Give
every penny that you can afford. If he gets 20 million dollars
he will become the most talked about in America. Make that our
goal. That is only an average of 200 bucks from 100,000
people. We have nearly that many on Meetup right now. Some
will be able to donate more, some less. But we MUST have full
cooperation from everyone.

Here is why: we have 3 weeks left to the primaries. NOTHING
we can afford to do can get him on every television and radio
station in the world on one day: EXCEPT a killer day on the
16th. This is our last chance. We are OUT OF TIME. Please
drop all projects and tell every single soul you know to donate
on that day.

And Meetup groups, please wait until Sunday to order all the
rest of the supplies you will be needing for the rest of the
campaign. All of those purchases count as donations. (Except
the shipping part).

This is it people: Do or Die! If you want this campaign to
win you must, must, must donate on Sunday! We have to SHOCK
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Jimbo
12-13-2007, 04:43 PM
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Jimbo
12-14-2007, 12:15 AM
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Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008
We as a country face a lot of problems today, and I talk a lot about those problems, but the truth is that we have a campaign of hope. We do not despair, because if we do the right things, things will come out alright. It does not mean we don't have difficulties, but it just means that we have to be persistent and our message and our voices have to be heard (applause).

What I think has happened to us in our country is probably a hundred years ago or so, somehow or another, freedom got chopped to pieces. There were some who would defend personal liberty, others would defend economic liberty, and others would have their say about understand or understanding of a foreign policy, which was our traditional foreign policy "of minding our own business" (the crowd raves).

And today, today our goal has to be to bring it back together again. Personal liberty is economic liberty and "true" freedom and following the Constitution means that "we will be bringing our troops home" (the crowd goes on raving). - Ron Paul 2007

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Jimbo
12-14-2007, 02:54 AM
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Locally, Paul’s impact is being felt. In just two short months, the Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group has ballooned to more than 200 members. (Meetup.com is an online social networking website that facilitates offline group meetings in cities all over the world.) Vegas’ is now the eleventh largest Paul Meetup Group out of 553 nationwide, and is still growing. According to member Arden Osborne, the Vegas group is made up of people “all over the political spectrum, from anti-war Democrats to diehard Libertarians, from disillusioned Republicans to those with no experience involved in political action.” But for Arden, the journey from liberal to born-again freedom-lover began in 2004, when, curious about that year’s presidential election, he began to research George W. Bush on the Internet. What he learned disturbed him, greater than even Michael Moore’s infamous documentary hit job, Fahrenheit 9/11.

“The more I dug, the more I realized that this country is in serious trouble,” says Osborne. “Fact is. you can get more information from some of these websites and alternative media than from Ted Koppel or whomever.”

Osborne noticed Ron Paul’s name popping up in Libertarian websites like LewRockwell.com. Slowly but surely, Osborne’s liberal leanings started to shed and he began to fall in love with the original ideas that founded this country.

“Paul is the only politician I can get excited about at this point,” says Osborne. “He’s the first politician that I have found who has absolute integrity. He bases all his votes and decisions on the basic principles of our Constitution. If you don’t have fixed principles, things like money and power can sway you. That’s what makes Paul an attractive presidential candidate — his principles and integrity.”

Osborne joined the Vegas Paul Meetup Group last May and has never looked back. While the group isn’t officially part of the Paul campaign, Osborne wants to make it clear that he and other local Paul supporters aren’t just idly chatting on the Internet. One prong of the group’s effort is to put Paul’s name out there with visible posters, signs and articles in the print media. Second, the group plans to start knocking on doors.

“The ‘conversion’ rate is amazing,” says Osborne. “Once people learn that Paul voted against the war, against the Patriot Act, against government getting on our backs from the very beginning, people start to view him differently. I’m serious when I say that Paul is our last chance to get rid of the partisan junk. He doesn’t tow the party line. He’ll work both sides of the aisle, but only in accordance with the Constitution. He can bring the country back together and heal. He can reverse some of the self-destructive trends that have been set into motion. Anything else is just more of the same.”

The Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group had an opportunity to meet with the 71-year-old Republican presidential candidate and hear him speak out against the federal government’s ongoing efforts — like a national ID card — to undermine the civil liberties of all Americans. According to an article in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, more than 350 young people comprised the bulk of this audience.

Liberty Watch, on the other hand, was in attendance at FreedomFest, which took place July 5-7 inside Bally’s on the Strip. For those who don’t know, FreedomFest is, at least according to the organization’s website, “an annual festival bringing together hundreds of the best and the brightest free minds from around the world to discuss and debate.” (See this month’s French Connection column for a more fair and balanced perspective.) Paul appeared at FreedomFest on that same Saturday, speaking to a larger, older crowd.

Liberty Watch learned a lot about Paul from our informal chats at his book signing and in the lobby of Bally’s. For instance, Paul gets along well with Democratic presidential candidate and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, which is surprising given the latter’s left-leaning views. (Though the mutual respect is perhaps due to the media’s labeling of both candidates as “dark horses” in their respective parties.) And when asked about his thoughts on the growing suspicion in the Internet community that 9/11 was an inside job, Paul revealed that, from what he has read, the event was more likely an “incompetence” job on the part of our national security leaders. But it was only during our more formal interview that Paul revealed what he really thinks about being the favorite candidate among Libertarians and (yikes!) liberals.

Young voters are finding out about you primarily, it seems, via the Internet and your well-received and much-discussed appearances on cable TV shows like “The Colbert Report” and “Real Time with Bill Maher.” How important is the Internet and these political satires to your campaign?

I think they are very crucial, and even though I made a little joke about how such appearances will help a Republican in a Republican primary, it really will be helpful. A lot of new people will come out and vote — that’s what I have found. It’s very, very good for a general audience. If you take the war issue, 70 percent of the people are against the war, and yet not 70 percent — maybe not even 50 percent — of voters would be against the war in the Republican primary. So in order for us to do well in the Republican primary, we have to get people to come over and join us and go into the Republican primary in order to make it practical. But if you just look at the issues and the ability to spread a message, this has been very significant, what the Internet is doing and getting on these shows. Our success is far beyond anything I had anticipated.

How much will the liberal crowd nurture or neuter your anti-war, anti-tax campaign before they start tearing you down — in the way that “mainstream” conservatives like Giuliani already have?

Right now, liberals are the most enthusiastic about my campaign. If I get a speech on the House floor on foreign policy, I’ll get many hundreds — sometimes thousands — of comments sent to my office. I would say 90 percent of them are from Democrats.

Do you worry that’s all machinations? To set you up for defeat later on by somebody more recognizable like Hilary Clinton?

No, I think they’re very sincere, because liberals are very, very frustrated with their own Democrats. Although they know I have shortcomings from their viewpoint — because I’m for free enterprise and free markets — they love my position on civil liberties and they love my position on war. They’re exasperated with their leadership, with Democratic leadership, because they’re not strong enough. Democrats go to their leadership and say, “Why don’t you work and talk like Ron Paul does?” So no, I think they’re very, very sincere. Now, whether or not they’re going to shift gears and come over to the party or not, that’s another thing. But certainly getting the message out and gaining support and introducing new people to these views has been growing by leaps and bounds.

We interviewed former House Speaker Newt Gingrich for the July issue of Liberty Watch: The Magazine. He had only positive things to say about you. In fact, in the last few months, we’ve spoken to many regional and national conservatives, and with the exception of Giuliani, they have nothing negative to say about you. The word “integrity” keeps coming up. Why is it so hard for a politician other than Ron Paul to have the word integrity attached to his or her name?

I don’t have an answer for that. [Laughs.] Maybe there’s a vacuum out there. People come up to me all the time and tell me, “You know, you are the best Congressman in all of Washington D.C.” I say, “It’s nice of you to say that, but considering the competition, it’s no big deal.” But you know, Washington is a mess. It’s been taken over by special interests, and it’s all a reflection of big government. Government is doing too much; it has too much to pass out, and therefore that’s how the system works. Even businesspeople, people who would like to get the government off their backs, have to play politics, because they have to go there and work the lobbying system to try to get relief. My message is much clearer: It’s not a little bit of mismanagement. It’s the whole program that’s wrong. The whole system is wrong. The war is wrong. The way we go to war is wrong. The policies are wrong. I make it much clearer, and I think it’s much easier to understand. I remember in a debate one Republican candidate was asked, “What programs are you going to get rid of?” And he hemmed and hawed and finally came up with one little program that nobody had ever heard of. Of course, my answer was rather clear. Instead of two or three programs, start with three departments — and let’s just get rid of them! So that’s easier to understand.

You currently serve as a role model for many young people interested entering politics so they can make the changes necessary to eliminate taxes and the corrupting influence of big government. Can you offer any good or practical advice to someone who is maybe mulling a decision to run for local office in his or her hometown or district?

The most important thing is to study hard, and understand that if you believe in freedom and limited government, then learn the issues and know how to explain them. Learn the monetary issues and the economic issues. If you know the issues well, you can explain the answers so that people can’t put you down as being uncaring and not compassionate. You have to be able to answer that, because freedom is compassionate, more so than all the authoritarian approaches. And then, when you learn that well and have studied that well, somebody will give you a job. You won’t even have to go looking. Somebody will give you a job.

For more info on Ron Paul, visit ronpaul2008.org. For more info on the Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group, visit ronpaul.meetup.com/47.

http://www.liberty-watch.com/volume03/issue05/coverstory.php

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
12-14-2007, 11:43 AM
Ron Paul is Nuts. Taken from a thread at the BTX Political World.

http://www.backstreets.com/btx/viewtopic.php?t=63811

BlueAngel
12-14-2007, 11:43 AM
Sign up at BTX, become a member and take your rebuttals over to them.

They are still the same SCUM that they have always been, as far as I'm concerned.

redrat11
12-14-2007, 11:59 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/



http://www.ronpaul2008.com/



http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3970423&page=1

http://www.newsweek.com/id/73850




Ron Paul..
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Ron Paul 2008

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Jimbo
12-14-2007, 11:07 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - Going "MainStream"...

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Ron Paul - On Neal Cavuto - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Neal Cavuto - P2 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GoG6sKis-M

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-15-2007, 04:30 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/10/us/paulHP600.jpg">
<a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/10/us/paulHP600.jpg" target="_blank">Congressman "Ron Paul" - For Freedom 2008</a>

The "Boston Tea Party / Freedom Rally" 2007 Has Just Begun...
My dear fellow Americans. If you still believe that Freedom deserves the chance it has been unfairly denied by the controllers that be, we owe it to ourselves to continue our fight for “true” Freedom. “Ron Paul” is our only chance. “Ron Paul” is the man. He is the man with both the knowledge and the courage to stand tall, and walk towards “Freedom”. He stands for everything we know to be true and conducive to real Freedom, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

May the “Boston Tea Party ‘07” Begin... (http://www.freedomrally12-16.org:80/)


Tea Party '07 - December 16th, 2007 - To Raise $10,000,000 Million Dollars

e-Mail from "Ron Paul"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Paul 2008" <mail@ronpaul2008.com>
To: All_Americans
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: Message from Ron Paul

December 15, 2007

What an amazing mission you and I are on. What great ideas we uphold -- the legacy of the most important thinkers of liberty in our country's history, and the most important doers of liberty in America. At the top of that list are the donors and volunteers of this campaign.

I could spend all my time thanking personally you and everyone who has done so much for our country's future, and not scratch the surface of what justice demands. But I want you to know how much I owe you, and everyone dedicated to the real America. You and I know our real country -- the America of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of economic, civil, and personal liberty, of strong families and communities, of great businesses and professions, of strong peace and low taxes and sound money-all of which are under assault by the politicians who occupy our nation's capital.

With your help -- and I can't do anything without your help https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ -- I want to change all that. Together, we can restore our constitutional republic, and oust the mountebanks who violate the ideals of the Founders with income taxes, Federal Reserve inflation, deficit spending, preemptive wars, torture, secret prisons, and abolition of habeas corpus.

How thrilling too are all the great Independent efforts in this cause, involving so many tens of thousands of patriots. Of course, since they are Independent, the election laws to do not allow me to coordinate with them in any way. But I will mention that this Sunday, I am really going to enjoy my tea at a party!

We are making real progress. And goodness knows we need to. Help https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ me keep our revolution going and growing. For freedom, peace, and prosperity, for the real America, all our generosity and hard work are justified.

Sincerely,

Ron

Paid for by the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-16-2007, 12:25 AM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

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<a href="http://www.dekalb.k12.ga.us/~henderson/department/impact/Clark/Projects/2003/7%20period/robactweb/Pictures/Boston%20Tea%20Party.jpeg" target="_blank">The Boston Tea Party</a>

”Ron Paul’s” Boston Tea Party 2008 – $10 Million Dollar Fund Raiser

"Ron Paul" is the only true Republican left. Everyone else has chosen to support the NeoCons, or the New-Fascists that are for big Government, globalization, privatization of everything (national parks, the roads and highways, water, and electricity) for the controlling "global" elite, while removing all of our civil liberties, freedom of Speech, freedom to peacefully assemble, due process, Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and the rule of law, except for the law they want to follow, which only protects them from us. In other words, a "New World Order" as dictated by them, the NeoCons, and without the representation of "We The People", which are no longer represented. The NeoCons do not represent Americans or American values, they only represent the "global" elite and their transnational corporations. They want to remove and destroy our "national sovereignty" and turn America and the United States into a thing of the past , an obsolete concept. So, if you are like the majority of Americans , over a good 80% of US, you still believe in Freedom, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, as granted by our Constitution of the United States of America. To make the American Dream real, we are going to fight for it...

(Sorry “World,” although most of this applies to you also, we are fighting this “war” here first. To become a beacon of “Freedom,” we must first be completely free from any kind of tyranny or oppression here at home. But since we were once free, although very short lived, we can make sure this time is for keeps – may God bless all people around the globe.)

Ron Paul – The Land Of The Free
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Ron Paul – The Land Of The Free – yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsDlO2Lr_cg


Ron Paul 2008
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Boston Tea Party 2007
http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/dec_16_vs_nov_5_total.html

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-16-2007, 10:39 PM
Thank you for your generous donation of $100.00!

Contribution received!

Thank you very much for your donation to the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign.

Your donation will allow us to expand and grow our campaign.

We depend on donors like you to help us spread the message of freedom, peace and prosperity through Ron Paul’s candidacy.

You will receive an email shortly with a confirmation number.


Paid for by the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee.

Jimbo
12-17-2007, 01:38 AM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://www.liberty-watch.com/volume03/issue05/paulpic1.jpg" height=510 width=490>
<a href="http://www.liberty-watch.com/volume03/issue05/paulpic1.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul - President 2008</a>

"Ron Paul's" Prelude To The Primaries
The message is clear, "Freedom" is Popular. Ron Paul is the Freedom President. The Champion of the Constitution. He is a True American. A True Patriot.

"Ron Paul" Supporters At It Again - At The Boston Tea Party Fund Raiser
"Ron Paul" supporters are definitely seriously going at it this time. They know that to win the Presidency, we have to win the "primaries" & have Ron Paul win the nomination. The media may ignore the message, but Americans are not going to ignore Freedom much longer. We are gathering free thinking, Freedom loving Americans by the truckloads. The message is clear, "Freedom" will rein. Freedom is our unalienable right, given to us by the Creator. There is no giving up of Freedom for any kind of "security." If we are not Free we are not "secure." Period. There is no compromising Freedom.

$18,135,915.45 December 17, 2007, at 2:38 a.m. EST
http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
12-17-2007, 11:09 AM
Ron Paul


HOLY SMOKES!!!!
Ron Paul sets all time fundraising record in 24 hour period in AMERICAN HISTORY!


$7 MILLION DOLLARS RAISED ON SUNDAY >>BOSTON TEA PARTY CELEBRATION!!!


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_fundraising_smash_record_6_million_haul.h tm


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-17-ronpaul-fundraising_N.htm


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redrat11
12-17-2007, 05:32 PM
BLACK PEOPLE VOTE FOR RON PAUL...DUMP OBAMA!


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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/



http://www.ronpaul2008.com/



http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3970423&page=1

http://www.newsweek.com/id/73850




Ron Paul..
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Ron Paul 2008

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Jimbo
12-17-2007, 08:43 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bookmakers Hit Mark With Ron Paul Money Bomb Bet
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-121707.html

Carrie Stroup here with the latest report on the Ron Paul one day money bomb.

Heading into the final hours of the biggest single fundraising day for a Presidential candidate, Congressman Ron Paul appeared to be well on his way to making just over $6 million. The bookmakers at Sportsbook.com had been offering an OVER/UNDER total bet on the amount of money taken in during the December 16 fundraiser. Gambling911.com initially helped Sportsbook.com set the line at $5 million, but heavy action prompted the popular online gambling website to move the line up to $6 million.

By 11:00 pm EST, a whopping $17.6 million had been raised during the 4th quarter of 2007, way more than the $12 million initial goal. Approximately $6 million was raised over the last 24 hours, making this the biggest ever one day fundraising event for a US Presidential candidate.

The official tally will be in on Monday, however, it does appear that more than $6 million had been raised on Sunday. Just prior to midnight, it was believed that Ron Paul's campaign had already hit $12 million with some early money coming in. With the last fundraiser, which took in $4.2 million, it was reported that the money counter had been backed up by a few hours and calculations were going into the early morning. The 24 hour period officially ends at 3 am EST with the West Coast closure.

At 9 p.m. EST, donations were over $5 million, according to the campaign Web site. Those donations are processed credit card receipts, said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. Benton said the median donation is about $50 in the fundraiser, which was the idea of Paul supporters who are not officially connected to the campaign.

Trevor Lyman, a Paul supporter who is traveling the country following the Ron Paul blimp, said the date of the fundraiser coincides with the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.

Carrie Stroup, Gambling911.com

Originally published December 16, 2007 11:20 pm EST

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-17-2007, 09:37 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul's Campaign TV Ads & Messages Of Freedom

Ron Paul - Iowa TV Special - P1 - yt Video
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Ron Paul - Iowa TV Special - P1 - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNWHmiGj-k


Ron Paul - Iowa TV Special - P2 - yt Video
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Ron Paul - Iowa TV Special - P2 - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wekzQrQfacg


Ron Paul - Season's Greetings - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE&feature=user

Ron Paul - New Hampshire TV Ad 2 - yt Video
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Ron Paul - New Hampshire TV Ad 2 - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4vXZWxeuU


Ron Paul - New Hampshire TV Ad 3 - yt Video
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Ron Paul - New Hampshire TV Ad 3 - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_ZCEc9bi8


Ron Paul - Restore The Republic - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJYRITWqRE

Ron Paul - Iowa TV Ads - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQH5uCTOLu0

Ron Paul - Healthcare TV Ad - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENfMexgorp4

Ron Paul - Freedom Warrior - yt Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OoPQYIwMO8

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
12-17-2007, 11:14 PM
OMG!!!


I SWEAR TO GOD ON THIS...



I was going to sleep about 15 to twenty minutes ago, when I started to have a dream, I saw 'someone' shot to death of what appeared to be Ron Paul collapse in front of a church sign, in front of a sidewalk, he just came out of a church and collapsed infront of the sign of a gunshot it appeared.

This was weird because I just barely fell asleep after shutting the computer down. Oh well... :-?

Jimbo
12-18-2007, 12:22 AM
Death In Dreams - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

Death In Dreams - ???

Interpreting Dreams

If you had a vision, as in "remote-viewing" I guess what you saw was very real & you might even be able to know where it is going to occur. However, if what you saw was more like a dream, dreams are typically encoded messages, where the things that happen, & objects that you see there are not necessarily what they appear to be in the dream. Your subconscious, which is obviously connected w/ your higher-self, or your soul-self, communicates w/ your conscious mind via dreams, & by means of images, & symbols. So almost everything you see in the dream has a meaning, which often times is not what you think it means.

There are many people & institutions which have analyzed dreams & have come up w/ general descriptions of what these symbols & “archetypes” mean. They have compiled "dream dictionaries" which depending on the author, may differ in interpretation. However, you might expect that at some point they should all agree upon a general meaning, & there shouldn't be much discrepancies between the different interpretations. But, since not every perception is the same, & while looking at the same event from many different angles might produce as many different versions of the same event as there are angles, we might conclude that not all "dream dictionaries" are alike. Now, that said, & keeping that in mind, here we go,

In "dream interpretation", death is typically seen as a part of you that is dying or that you are leaving behind. For example, either an emotion, or a quality, or something about you that you have outgrown. With every death there is a re-birth, a new beginning. So, in general, just because you dreamt of death does not necessarily mean that you or someone you know is going to confront death. Death here is the "symbol" by which the subconscious communicates w/ your conscious self via dreams.

Now, if someone is going to die, or even undergo a near-death experience, typically your dream or vision will show that person surrounded by darkness, whether in a dark room or inside darkness where you can barely see the person.

Now look at these interpretations of these symbols from a dream-dictionary & try to see if any of these interpretations pertain to anything personal in your life. That is how dreams are interpreted using this method of symbols & what they mean in the dream world. You could cut & paste these definitions into a text file. Then discard those things in the definitions (interpretation) that you know do not apply. Then, what you are left w/ is the interpretation that applies to your particular situation. Read it several times & you'll start seeing what the message really is. It is typically completely different than what you saw in your dream. Sometimes the messages are amazingly revealing. (Look for Dream Dictionary Definition:)

HyperDictionary – Dream Dictionary

Death
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/death

Gun
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/gun

Blood
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/blood

Church
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/church

Sign
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/sign

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
12-18-2007, 08:06 AM
Taken from the Club Conspiracy is Closing Thread:

A reply to RedRat from an email he wrote to Dr. Makow which RedRat posted on the above-referenced thread:

Dr. Makow said:

I will not apologize for pointing out handsigns which are disturbing to many people. I am all for Ron Paul but if you understand the Illuminati, you will understand they create their own opponents. I resent your augumentative tone. These issues can be discussed calmly and respectfully. As for CC, there haven;t been any other offers yet.

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He says that Ron Paul's handsigns are disturbing to many people.

I assume they don't disturb him because he is all for Ron Paul.

redrat11
12-18-2007, 10:28 AM
Jimbo wrote:
Death In Dreams - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

Death In Dreams - ???

Interpreting Dreams

If you had a vision, as in "remote-viewing" I guess what you saw was very real & you might even be able to know where it is going to occur. However, if what you saw was more like a dream, dreams are typically encoded messages, where the things that happen, & objects that you see there are not necessarily what they appear to be in the dream. Your subconscious, which is obviously connected w/ your higher-self, or your soul-self, communicates w/ your conscious mind via dreams, & by means of images, & symbols. So almost everything you see in the dream has a meaning, which often times is not what you think it means.

There are many people & institutions which have analyzed dreams & have come up w/ general descriptions of what these symbols & “archetypes” mean. They have compiled "dream dictionaries" which depending on the author, may differ in interpretation. However, you might expect that at some point they should all agree upon a general meaning, & there shouldn't be much discrepancies between the different interpretations. But, since not every perception is the same, & while looking at the same event from many different angles might produce as many different versions of the same event as there are angles, we might conclude that not all "dream dictionaries" are alike. Now, that said, & keeping that in mind, here we go,

In "dream interpretation", death is typically seen as a part of you that is dying or that you are leaving behind. For example, either an emotion, or a quality, or something about you that you have outgrown. With every death there is a re-birth, a new beginning. So, in general, just because you dreamt of death does not necessarily mean that you or someone you know is going to confront death. Death here is the "symbol" by which the subconscious communicates w/ your conscious self via dreams.

Now, if someone is going to die, or even undergo a near-death experience, typically your dream or vision will show that person surrounded by darkness, whether in a dark room or inside darkness where you can barely see the person.

Now look at these interpretations of these symbols from a dream-dictionary & try to see if any of these interpretations pertain to anything personal in your life. That is how dreams are interpreted using this method of symbols & what they mean in the dream world. You could cut & paste these definitions into a text file. Then discard those things in the definitions (interpretation) that you know do not apply. Then, what you are left w/ is the interpretation that applies to your particular situation. Read it several times & you'll start seeing what the message really is. It is typically completely different than what you saw in your dream. Sometimes the messages are amazingly revealing. (Look for Dream Dictionary Definition:)

HyperDictionary – Dream Dictionary

Death
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/death

Gun
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/gun

Blood
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/blood

Church
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/church

Sign
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dream/sign

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)



Thanks for that Jimbo, that is very informative stuff there. Usually people forget there dreams by morning, this dream made me get back on the computer immediately, it just seemed like it was sent to me. You gotta wonder by now if the PTB are getting worried about things.


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RON PAUL SPEAKS....


Message from R. Paul to supporters.

Message from Ron (12/17/07)
What a day! I am humbled and inspired, grateful and thrilled for this vast outpouring of support.

On just one day, in honor of the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, the new American revolutionaries brought in $6.04 million, another one-day record. The average donation was $102; we had 58,407 individual contributors, of whom an astounding 24,915 were first-time donors. And it was an entirely voluntary, self-organized, decentralized, independent effort on the internet. Must be the "spammers" I keep hearing about!

The establishment is baffled and worried, and well they should be. They keep asking me who runs our internet fundraising and controls our volunteers. To these top-down central planners, a spontaneous order like our movement is science-fiction. But you and I know it's real: as real as the American people's yearning for freedom, peace, and prosperity, as real as all the men and women who have sacrificed for our ideals, in the past and today.

And how neat to see celebrations all across the world, with Tea Parties from France to New Zealand. This is how we can spread the ideals of our country, through voluntary emulation, not bombs and bribes. Of course, there were hundreds in America.

As I dropped in on a cheering, laughing crowd of about 600 near my home in Freeport, Texas, I noted that they call us "angry." Well, we are the happiest, most optimistic "angry" movement ever, and the most diverse. What unites us is a love of liberty, and a determination to fix what is wrong with our country, from the Fed to the IRS, from warfare to welfare. But otherwise we are a big tent.

Said the local newspaper: "The elderly sat with teens barely old enough to vote. The faces were black, Hispanic, Asian and white. There was no fear in their voices as they spoke boldly with each other about the way the country should be. Held close like a deeply held secret, Paul has brought them out of the disconnect they feel between what they know to be true and where the country has been led."

Thanks also to the 500 or so who braved the blizzard in Boston to go to Faneuil Hall. My son Rand told me what a great time he had with you.

A few mornings ago on LewRockwell.com, I saw a YouTube of a 14-year-old boy that summed up our whole movement for me. This well-spoken young man, who could have passed in knowledge for a college graduate, told how he heard our ideas being denounced. So he decided to Google. He read some of my speeches, and thought, these make sense. Then he studied US foreign policy of recent years, and came to the conclusion that we are right. So he persuaded his father to drop Rudy Giuliani and join our movement.

All over America, all over the world, we are inspiring real change. With the wars and the spying, the spending and the taxing, the inflation and the credit crisis, our ideas have never been more needed. Please help me spread them https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate in all 50 states. Victory for liberty! That is our goal, and nothing less.

Sincerely,

Ron
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R.Paul forums

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=a533bbb102945d83f95a256507f84ef 6&f=2



http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jimbo
12-18-2007, 03:03 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

RedRat11, Remember there are many other symbols, which I did not include, such as either a father figure, or a leader (president), etc. These figures have a meaning as it relates to you personally, & their relationships are better explained in the dream-dictionaries. The more symbols you can identify the more accurate is going to be the interpretation.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-18-2007, 07:05 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/01/venn-of-paul.jpg" height=477 width=730>
<a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/01/venn-of-paul.jpg" target="_blank">The Venn Of Paul</a>

The Apostles of Ron Paul
How does a 72-year-old conservative Texas congressman become the hottest thing in online politics? Ask the techies, hippies, tax haters, and war protesters who believe that only Ron Paul can save America from itself. - By Josh Harkinson

The Apostles of Ron Paul
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/01/ron-paul-apostles-libertarian-theology.html

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
12-19-2007, 05:39 AM
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071218.html

Jimbo
12-20-2007, 02:32 AM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

"Ron Paul" – Getting Air Time On CNN

Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajC0Wl116I


Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSp_OfZ5Mdw


Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_TGAq3NF8


Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
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Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ffYLwLGYA

Towards the end here, "Ron Paul" puts on a "Ron Paul" t-shirt & flashes the audience w/ what is a absolutely clear, a pair of "Peace" hand-signs, one on each hand.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Barbara
12-21-2007, 10:23 AM
The Ron Paul Reveres are offering a .25 cent, one hour long DVD to help canvasers to introduce Ron Paul and his message to prospective voters.

They sold 60,000 in the first 24 hour period that they were available!


http://www.ronpaulreveres.com/


It is free to watch on line.

Barbara
12-21-2007, 07:22 PM
Estulin: Neo-Cons Behind Potential Hit On Ron Paul

Investigative reporter goes further on last week's revelations

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, December 21, 2007


Investigative reporter Daniel Estulin has gone further with his bombshell revelation first voiced last week that political insiders are considering a plot to assassinate Ron Paul, today identifying the Neo-Con camp as being behind the potential hit.

Appearing on The Alex Jones Show, Estulin said that his sources for the information were real patriots who love America and are desperate to see the truth get out, but that he always took the precaution of getting verification from more than one individual on each piece of information he releases.

"What I said about Ron Paul last week came from two different people who don't know each other," said Estulin, adding that his source had in turn got the information from sources within the Neo-Con camp and that it was individuals from within the Neo-Con camp that are considering what would happen if Ron Paul was assassinated.

Estulin stressed that to elaborate any further he would need to seek permission from those giving him the information to retain their confidence and trust.

"I am getting information from my sources that there are people involved from a higher level of the American establishment who are seriously considering - this has not been confirmed - but assassination is definitely on the agenda and I pray to God that this is not the case," Estulin first told Jones last week.

As we reported following the initial release of the information, Estulin, author of the global bestseller The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, described the concept as a "trial balloon from the inner core within the inner core - it hasn't gone beyond that but it is obviously on the table because I think needless to say they are very much concerned," he added.

Ron Paul himself has stated on a previous occasion that he is aware of the dangers of being such a bold icon for freedom and understands that political assassinations have occurred in the past.

In a June appearance on The Alex Jones Show, Congressman Paul acknowledged that such a threat is "real," agreeing with a number of historical examples where leaders were killed or attacked for successfully standing up to the system. "That's right. They'll do it," Paul said, making reference with Alex Jones to upstarts like Andrew Jackson, "The Kingfish" Huey Long, Bobby Kennedy, George Washington and even George Wallace.

Another secret service source told Estulin that the message scrolled across the bottom of the screen during Ron Paul's CNN interview on Tuesday, "Paul is dead, Paul is dead, Paul is dead," was potentially more than just a matter of quoting a joke made by Mike Huckabee about attacks on his campaign ads, but in fact could be taken as a threat or even a cue to Paul's would-be assassin.

Estulin noted that a similar thing occurred before the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968, but was quick to caution that he could not confirm the authenticity of the judgment that this was related to the consideration of a plot to kill the Congressman.

Click here to listen to the MP3 interview with Estulin.

FLASHBACK: Estulin: Elitists Consider Assassinating Ron Paul

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Who can say if there is any truth to this or not.
Perhaps putting this information out there will thwart an attempt on his life if, indeed, it is true.

Barbara
12-21-2007, 07:42 PM
Consider this in light of the last post

ISRAEL'S NEW POLICY OF TERRORISM
ON AMERICAN SOIL

By: Joe Sansone

A recent UPI report outlined Israel’s new policy of assassinating suspected terrorists on American soil. In other words, Israel is now going to officially carryout terrorism on U.S. soil.

Isn’t that what murder is? As an American citizen you cannot murder, why should agents of a foreign government have any such right in your country?

The UPI report read, “Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.” UPI claims to have verified this information with a dozen informants. The report goes on to say that Israel will go forward with this policy, “even if it risks complications to Israel's bilateral relations."

Such a policy by Israel that has no regard for the national sovereignty of the United States requires a reevaluation of an existing allied relationship. It is a callous disregard for not only the laws of the United States, but also the security, safety, and rights of its citizens.

What Israel terms as targeted assassinations is really the commencement of a low-grade war against its enemies. By carrying out acts of war on American soil, Israel will be committing acts of war against the United States.

Bringing its war to America, Israel is endangering the lives of Americans, including American Jews. Surely, as Israel’s campaign of terror is carried out against its enemies, there will be retaliatory action in the United States by Islamic militants. Are synagogues and Jewish schools immune from such horror? They will likely be the first targets. While less than three percent of Americans are Jews, and respectively three percent are Muslims, do we want them battling it out in our streets?

By proclaiming its license to kill on American soil, Israel places itself on the list of rogue nations diametrically opposed to the United States. Terrorism may be acceptable in the third world. It is not acceptable in the United States. This policy by definition is state sponsored terrorism. Maybe there should be weapons inspectors taking a look at Israel’s nuclear program next?

How exactly do we determine the innocence of the murdered victims? Since Israel now has no regard for the nation where it murders perceived terrorists, it is safe to say that they would also have no regard for the nationality of the alleged terrorist. What if some of them are American citizens? Are we going to allow a foreign nation to murder U.S. citizens too?

The UPI report also says, “Israeli hit teams, which consist of units or squadrons of the Kidon, a sub-unit for Mossad's highly secret Metsada department, would stage the operations”. If Israeli hit teams are in place in the United States, what will prevent them from targeting U.S. officials that aren’t willing to send billions of dollars in foreign aid to Israel? Far fetched, not really when we’re talking about a nation that is openly planning terrorism in the United States.

Yes, openly, because a story this sensitive would have never leaked unless it was meant to be leaked.

If Israel is going to have a policy of terrorism on U.S. soil then it is not only plausible that it will kill American citizens that it considers to be enemies, but it is also likely that they will attack American targets and try to blame it on the enemies of Israel.

It’s bad enough that according to a PBS Transcript Senator Graham of the Select Committee On Intelligence said that classified evidence reveals that foreign governments were involved in the September 11th attacks. Now another nation is threatening to expand its terrorism to America.

No ally of the United States can commit act on war on its soil. Theoretically Israeli hit teams could already be here. Remember the DEA report last year about hundreds of Israeli spies posing as art students and stalking federal agents that were deported by the U.S. government. If Islamic terrorist cells may already be here it is entirely possible that Israeli hit squads are in place.

The U.S. should immediately pull all foreign aid, both monetary and military assistance from Israel. Immigration should be halted across the board, but especially from Middle Eastern countries, including Israel. Israeli citizens must be deported immediately.

If the United States does not have the political will to protect and defend its sovereign territory, then it does not have a right to exist, and probably won’t.

Either UPI fabricated the report and manufactured the Israeli government informants quoted in it or Israel is an enemy of the United States.

The Bush administration should send a clear signal that if Israel carries out acts of terrorism in the United States then war will follow.

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Joe Sansone is the founder and president of USA Daily as well as a weekly columnist. Mr. Sansone is the co-founder and former vice-chairman of the American Reformation Project Joe has previously hosted a Central Jersey Talk Radio Show and is the former chairman of the Reform Party of New Jersey as well as the former chairman of Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign in New Jersey. He is a regular columnist for Ether Zone.

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 07:50 PM
It's a good thing this assassination plot on Ron Paul was revealed so in the event he is assassinated we'll know that this Estulin guy will have all the details.

You know, who gave him the information, etc.

Perhaps, it will also help to stop the attempt and make it appear as if Ron Paul is truly a threat to the NWO and not one of them.

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 08:04 PM
Oh, oh, here she comes. Watch out boys, she'll chew you up.

She only comes out at night, being the hungry type.

Such lovely people on this site, eh?

What happened in Barbara's life that makes her such a hate-filled, angry person?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:47 PM
blueangel, you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your death that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of anyone’s time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 08:51 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
blueangel, you obviously do not represent the illuminati, you do not represent real truth seekers, real conspiracy theorists, or even your average internet blogger.

you do represent however a very small group of perturbed, hyper active, hyper infectious, hyper disturbing and irritating bunch, of childish and immature provocateurs that without any depth into their reasoning or understanding make amazing claims and implications, you then tie those claims to people that never made neither of those claims, nor did they imply what you claim they implied, and while you would swear to your death that you know what you are talking about, anyone with have of the square root of the brain size you have would realize that you are completely full of it, you create castles in your own head

just because you say you are right doesn’t make it so

you need to get a grip on logic and understanding, of which you have very little

arguing with you or answering you is a complete waste of anyone’s time

go away

get some help

get better

good bye and farewell

That's a hoot. Going somewhere?

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-21-2007, 08:52 PM
send your requests of expulsion (for “blueangel”) directly to Henry Makow
(http://www.savethemales.ca/contact.html)

she doesn't deserve to be here

this time is going to be her last time...

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 09:17 PM
me9G7X5t1r2M wrote:
send your requests of expulsion (for “blueangel”) directly to Henry Makow
(http://www.savethemales.ca/contact.html)

she doesn't deserve to be here

this time is going to be her last time...

What a baby!

redrat11
12-21-2007, 10:17 PM
JEW/Zionist Infiltration and Deception BUSTED Again!!!


Smear Campaign against R. Paul a failure.



ZIO-LIARS at it again. Try to portray R. Paul as a Racist.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php



"Bill White" is a long time NWO Operative, ADL, SLPC, designation, DUH, disinformation Artist.


http://thehudsonvalleyfreeman.blogspot.com/


This is just really pathetic on the Government part, using a stupid organization as the ADL and SLPC to spread racism, when it's never there. Just like in the 'Noose'....and Jena. :-?

Barbara
12-21-2007, 11:22 PM
Good post, RR. Here's another source.
************

Alleged White Supremacist Bill
White's Kosher Attack On Ron Paul
By Curt Maynard
12-21-7

First and foremost, I think it's important to point out to the reader that Bill White isn't considered to be a real "white supremacist," by most white nationalists, in fact, most white nationalists think he's a Jew and openly refer to him as William Weiss, agent provocateur. Some of the evidence is MORE than compelling. Having grown up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and having attended predominantly Jewish schools, in his youth, Bill White [nee Weiss] self admittedly embraced communism, even going so far as to have worked for the Communist Party USA itself, as recently as 1999. In all seriousness, doesn't that sound suspiciously like something a young idealistic Jew might do? A Jew playing the role of an American Nazi leader isn't anything new, Frank Collins [nee Cohen]did it a number of years ago, and with some success, in that he initially fooled many people. Of course the truth will always prevail in the end.

Perhaps some readers might be surprised to learn that Bill White, the self appointed "leader" of the "American National Socialist Workers Party," AKA American Nazi Party, has described his political views as difficult to understand because they don't "really adhere to any easily definable ideology Libertarian and socialist is probably the best way to define it, though you'll see traces of other ideologies creep in around the sides," he once was quoted as saying. One wonders if perhaps National Socialism was one of those ideologies that crept in on occasion? I'd say not, as White doesn't behave in a manner that suggests anything but self promotion and calculated sabotage are at the forefront of his mind and/or political agenda. White has successfully involved himself in a number of "Nazi" rallies over the last several years, something that FBI agents are also known to have engaged in recently.

On December 20, 2007, after reading a post Bill White submitted on VNN insinuating that Ron Paul frequently met with so-called "racists," and "anti-Semites," at a restaurant in Washington DC, that I knew to be erroneous and written for no other reason than to harm Paul's campaign, I sent Michael Rivero of Whatreallyhappened.comsome information about Bill White that caused him to follow up on White's most recent lies concerning this alleged relationship, which also allegedly included a couple of unnamed members of Stormfront, an alleged White Nationalist forum that has convinced me over these last several months is like Bill White's website, Overthrow.com, a Mossad front operation. What do you think Mike Rivero found?



Rivero found in a screen capture, that one of White's boys is tied in with Jewish activism via something known as Megaphone, a tool disseminated to Jewish Internet activists enabling them to profoundly effect the results of certain Internet polls deemed to be of interest to Israel and Zionism. It appears that one of White's [nee Weiss'] minions accidentally left his Megaphone icon on the screen capture, thus exposing him and White for what they really are, Jewish provocateurs, undoubtedly working for the ADL, SPLC or both! This reminds me of something a real Nazi named Goebbels' once said about desperate Jews:

"The Jews aren't always so clever as they would like themselves to believe. Whenever they are in danger they prove to be the stupidest devils."

To make a very long and boring tirade against Ron Paul as short as possible, Bill White insisted that Congressman Ron Paul frequently met with members of Stormfront and himself at an Asian restaurant of all places in Washington DC called the Tara Thai. It took a couple of hours but another VNN poster, un-enamored with Bill White found out how White came up with the name of the restaurant and how he concocted his story so that it would pass a superficial examination and appear to be at least somewhat credible. A senior member at VNN blew White's lies right out of the water when he noted that White didn't even know which restaurant it was that some so-called "racists" in DC did occasionally frequent, the senior member stated that the name of said restaurant wasn't Tara Thai as White had written, but was in fact a different restaurant altogether called the Sala Thai. That poster then proceeded to show where it was that White acquired the name Tara Thai - Ron Paul's very own 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee's Disbursement Report, where the Tara Thai restaurant is clearly listed, but the restaurant where the so-called racists meet, I.e. the Sala Thai isn't. So our Talmudist either got his information wrong or he figured that the names Tara Thai and Sala Thai were close enough that nobody would notice. Take your pick. Either way White's a liar.

One doubtful VNNer pointed out the unlikelihood of it all, when he commented on the idea that Ron Paul had ever met with Bill White, "Yes that's right folks, Ron Paul regularly meets with an overweight former member of the USA Communist party turned neo-nazi to discuss international policy. Rumor has it that Bill White has already been tapped for a high level cabinet position." Humorous yes, but humor and parody had absolutely nothing to do with why Bill White posted this at VNN, sabotage, disruption and harming Ron Paul's chances at winning the primary was its point and purpose. White also knew Ron Paul couldn't defend himself against such a ludicrous charge without possibly alienating the racially conscious whites on the Internet who do in fact compose a relatively significant number of Ron Paul supporters, not because they believe Ron Paul is sympathetic to their views, he isn't and just about every white nationalist is well aware of this fact, but because they believe he is the ONLY Presidential candidate that won't institute Martial Law and arrest white nationalists on site. I count myself among these concerned individuals - call me paranoid if you like, it won't hurt my feelings The government itself doesn't really care all that much about whether or not racially aware whites condemn racial minorities like blacks and Hispanics, Bill White has perfected the art of exacerbating racial conflict between blacks and whites, and he's never molested in this endeavor by Federal Prosecutors. The Zio-American entity does however care deeply about the fact that white nationalists are without any doubt, the most vocal critics of organized Talmudic Jewry on the Internet, that we're heavily armed, and that we're not going to shut up. So, if you've ever found yourself wondering why it is that white nationalists support Ron Paul, in a nutshell, it's because Congressman Paul is the least likely candidate to impose Martial Law and to go after racially conscious whites in an effort to arrest and incarcerate them. Now you know, there isn't anything sinister about it.

The most interesting thing about all of this, at least from my point of view, is how it behooves us all, the racially conscious and the lovers of diversity to work together to out the Talmudists in a so-called racist forum. I certainly want White exposed for a number of reasons, including the fact that he's set out to disrupt the Ron Paul bandwagon, whereas you, the lover of diversity want Bill White exposed for attempting to link Ron Paul with "white supremacists" in an effort to discredit him and ruin his chances at getting the GOP nomination. In the end though, and what I truly love about finding myself in bed with such strange bedfellows, is that we're all seeing just how desperate the Zionists are to derail Dr. Paul's candidacy. And if you're paying attention you'll also see and perhaps better understand how it is that white nationalism has received such a bad rap over the last several decades, people just like Bill Weiss, with covert media and law enforcement connections, doing everything they can to discredit our views and to alienate our fellow Americans against us. We're finally seeing how certain elements within Talmudic Judaism are not only a real tangible problem for white nationalists, but are also out to manipulate and control non-white nationalists and the American electoral process.

Bill Whites hope was initially that this entire bogus story would be picked up by the mainstream media and that they'd use it to embarrass Dr. Paul. But fortunately, thanks to several so-called racists at VNN and the very anti-racist Michael Rivero, this is not going to happen. Great teamwork guys, keep it up!



# http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White.htm
# http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White_Weise_supplement.htm#Jewish Schools
# http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
# http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20317
# See Whites article below main article.
# http://overthrow.com
# http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php
# Goebbels Diaries. Louis Lochner. [1948] Pg 183.
# http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html
# http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html



Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists
Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 11:41 PM
Is Ron Paul a white supremist?

BlueAngel
12-21-2007, 11:49 PM
Where is all this money coming from that is pouring into his campaign?

Barbara
12-22-2007, 02:17 AM
Don't sleep, don't close your eyes - got to be sure you have the last word.

Fill up those pages with your brilliant intellect. Kill those threads. How dare anyone want to discuss topics about which you have no clue.

Springsteen, fill up some more pages about Springsteen and his family whom you so obviously envy.

Do it while you can, your time is almost up.

BlueAngel
12-22-2007, 08:04 AM
Barbara wrote:
Don't sleep, don't close your eyes - got to be sure you have the last word.

Fill up those pages with your brilliant intellect. Kill those threads. How dare anyone want to discuss topics about which you have no clue.

Springsteen, fill up some more pages about Springsteen and his family whom you so obviously envy.

Do it while you can, your time is almost up.

Envy a woman who is married to a pedophile?

If that is your thinking Babs, you certainly have more than one screw loose.

Delta
12-22-2007, 03:01 PM
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

BlueAngel
12-22-2007, 06:02 PM
Delta wrote:
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

Like I said, it is called exposure and reporting his abusive role in my past and the psychological operations targeted upon me while on his official site.

Not an obsession at all.

Just the facts.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I don't hate his wife, but I do think being married to him makes her as disgusting as he is.

His kids???

I've basically said not much about his kids other than I feel sorry for them.

When you say things like, is it Springsteen and his kids whom I have pretended have been my family for the last 25 years, you sound unbalanced.

I hardly paid attention to the man, his wife or his children for more than 25 years.

I'm sure you know this!

Is that what I was suppose to be doing?

Delta
12-22-2007, 06:41 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

Like I said, it is called exposure and reporting his abusive role in my past and the psychological operations targeted upon me while on his official site.

Not an obsession at all.

Just the facts.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I don't hate his wife, but I do think being married to him makes her as disgusting as he is.

His kids???

I've basically said not much about his kids other than I feel sorry for them.

When you say things like, is it Springsteen and his kids whom I have pretended have been my family for the last 25 years, you sound unbalanced.

I hardly paid attention to the man, his wife or his children for more than 25 years.

I'm sure you know this!

Is that what I was suppose to be doing?

Get some help!

BlueAngel
12-22-2007, 09:18 PM
Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

Like I said, it is called exposure and reporting his abusive role in my past and the psychological operations targeted upon me while on his official site.

Not an obsession at all.

Just the facts.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I don't hate his wife, but I do think being married to him makes her as disgusting as he is.

His kids???

I've basically said not much about his kids other than I feel sorry for them.

When you say things like, is it Springsteen and his kids whom I have pretended have been my family for the last 25 years, you sound unbalanced.

I hardly paid attention to the man, his wife or his children for more than 25 years.

I'm sure you know this!

Is that what I was suppose to be doing?

Get some help!

I'm not in need of any help, but you certainly are.

Seems you have a BIG problem.

Delta
12-22-2007, 10:31 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

Like I said, it is called exposure and reporting his abusive role in my past and the psychological operations targeted upon me while on his official site.

Not an obsession at all.

Just the facts.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I don't hate his wife, but I do think being married to him makes her as disgusting as he is.

His kids???

I've basically said not much about his kids other than I feel sorry for them.

When you say things like, is it Springsteen and his kids whom I have pretended have been my family for the last 25 years, you sound unbalanced.

I hardly paid attention to the man, his wife or his children for more than 25 years.

I'm sure you know this!

Is that what I was suppose to be doing?

Get some help!

I'm not in need of any help, but you certainly are.

Seems you have a BIG problem.

Is that based from personal experience?

BlueAngel
12-23-2007, 09:48 AM
Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:
More to the point, what is your thinking DA?

The noise must be deafening with all the loose screws up in that cavity called your brain?

Why are you so obsessed with the man and his kids? And why do you hate his wife so much?

Is it he and his kids that you pretend have been your family for the last 25 years?

Like I said, it is called exposure and reporting his abusive role in my past and the psychological operations targeted upon me while on his official site.

Not an obsession at all.

Just the facts.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I don't hate his wife, but I do think being married to him makes her as disgusting as he is.

His kids???

I've basically said not much about his kids other than I feel sorry for them.

When you say things like, is it Springsteen and his kids whom I have pretended have been my family for the last 25 years, you sound unbalanced.

I hardly paid attention to the man, his wife or his children for more than 25 years.

I'm sure you know this!

Is that what I was suppose to be doing?

Get some help!

I'm not in need of any help, but you certainly are.

Seems you have a BIG problem.

Is that based from personal experience?

How could it possibly be based on personal experience?

I don't know you.

It's merely an observation of your postings on this board under the username Delta and your other personalities that have posted in the past under different names.

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-23-2007, 01:02 PM
merry christmass "bluemagic"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2TDN16UtTk

we do love "ygtfooh"...

redrat11
12-23-2007, 04:08 PM
Barbara wrote:
Good post, RR. Here's another source.
************

Alleged White Supremacist Bill
White's Kosher Attack On Ron Paul
By Curt Maynard
12-21-7

First and foremost, I think it's important to point out to the reader that Bill White isn't considered to be a real "white supremacist," by most white nationalists, in fact, most white nationalists think he's a Jew and openly refer to him as William Weiss, agent provocateur. Some of the evidence is MORE than compelling. Having grown up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and having attended predominantly Jewish schools, in his youth, Bill White [nee Weiss] self admittedly embraced communism, even going so far as to have worked for the Communist Party USA itself, as recently as 1999. In all seriousness, doesn't that sound suspiciously like something a young idealistic Jew might do? A Jew playing the role of an American Nazi leader isn't anything new, Frank Collins [nee Cohen]did it a number of years ago, and with some success, in that he initially fooled many people. Of course the truth will always prevail in the end.

Perhaps some readers might be surprised to learn that Bill White, the self appointed "leader" of the "American National Socialist Workers Party," AKA American Nazi Party, has described his political views as difficult to understand because they don't "really adhere to any easily definable ideology Libertarian and socialist is probably the best way to define it, though you'll see traces of other ideologies creep in around the sides," he once was quoted as saying. One wonders if perhaps National Socialism was one of those ideologies that crept in on occasion? I'd say not, as White doesn't behave in a manner that suggests anything but self promotion and calculated sabotage are at the forefront of his mind and/or political agenda. White has successfully involved himself in a number of "Nazi" rallies over the last several years, something that FBI agents are also known to have engaged in recently.

On December 20, 2007, after reading a post Bill White submitted on VNN insinuating that Ron Paul frequently met with so-called "racists," and "anti-Semites," at a restaurant in Washington DC, that I knew to be erroneous and written for no other reason than to harm Paul's campaign, I sent Michael Rivero of Whatreallyhappened.comsome information about Bill White that caused him to follow up on White's most recent lies concerning this alleged relationship, which also allegedly included a couple of unnamed members of Stormfront, an alleged White Nationalist forum that has convinced me over these last several months is like Bill White's website, Overthrow.com, a Mossad front operation. What do you think Mike Rivero found?



Rivero found in a screen capture, that one of White's boys is tied in with Jewish activism via something known as Megaphone, a tool disseminated to Jewish Internet activists enabling them to profoundly effect the results of certain Internet polls deemed to be of interest to Israel and Zionism. It appears that one of White's [nee Weiss'] minions accidentally left his Megaphone icon on the screen capture, thus exposing him and White for what they really are, Jewish provocateurs, undoubtedly working for the ADL, SPLC or both! This reminds me of something a real Nazi named Goebbels' once said about desperate Jews:

"The Jews aren't always so clever as they would like themselves to believe. Whenever they are in danger they prove to be the stupidest devils."

To make a very long and boring tirade against Ron Paul as short as possible, Bill White insisted that Congressman Ron Paul frequently met with members of Stormfront and himself at an Asian restaurant of all places in Washington DC called the Tara Thai. It took a couple of hours but another VNN poster, un-enamored with Bill White found out how White came up with the name of the restaurant and how he concocted his story so that it would pass a superficial examination and appear to be at least somewhat credible. A senior member at VNN blew White's lies right out of the water when he noted that White didn't even know which restaurant it was that some so-called "racists" in DC did occasionally frequent, the senior member stated that the name of said restaurant wasn't Tara Thai as White had written, but was in fact a different restaurant altogether called the Sala Thai. That poster then proceeded to show where it was that White acquired the name Tara Thai - Ron Paul's very own 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee's Disbursement Report, where the Tara Thai restaurant is clearly listed, but the restaurant where the so-called racists meet, I.e. the Sala Thai isn't. So our Talmudist either got his information wrong or he figured that the names Tara Thai and Sala Thai were close enough that nobody would notice. Take your pick. Either way White's a liar.

One doubtful VNNer pointed out the unlikelihood of it all, when he commented on the idea that Ron Paul had ever met with Bill White, "Yes that's right folks, Ron Paul regularly meets with an overweight former member of the USA Communist party turned neo-nazi to discuss international policy. Rumor has it that Bill White has already been tapped for a high level cabinet position." Humorous yes, but humor and parody had absolutely nothing to do with why Bill White posted this at VNN, sabotage, disruption and harming Ron Paul's chances at winning the primary was its point and purpose. White also knew Ron Paul couldn't defend himself against such a ludicrous charge without possibly alienating the racially conscious whites on the Internet who do in fact compose a relatively significant number of Ron Paul supporters, not because they believe Ron Paul is sympathetic to their views, he isn't and just about every white nationalist is well aware of this fact, but because they believe he is the ONLY Presidential candidate that won't institute Martial Law and arrest white nationalists on site. I count myself among these concerned individuals - call me paranoid if you like, it won't hurt my feelings The government itself doesn't really care all that much about whether or not racially aware whites condemn racial minorities like blacks and Hispanics, Bill White has perfected the art of exacerbating racial conflict between blacks and whites, and he's never molested in this endeavor by Federal Prosecutors. The Zio-American entity does however care deeply about the fact that white nationalists are without any doubt, the most vocal critics of organized Talmudic Jewry on the Internet, that we're heavily armed, and that we're not going to shut up. So, if you've ever found yourself wondering why it is that white nationalists support Ron Paul, in a nutshell, it's because Congressman Paul is the least likely candidate to impose Martial Law and to go after racially conscious whites in an effort to arrest and incarcerate them. Now you know, there isn't anything sinister about it.

The most interesting thing about all of this, at least from my point of view, is how it behooves us all, the racially conscious and the lovers of diversity to work together to out the Talmudists in a so-called racist forum. I certainly want White exposed for a number of reasons, including the fact that he's set out to disrupt the Ron Paul bandwagon, whereas you, the lover of diversity want Bill White exposed for attempting to link Ron Paul with "white supremacists" in an effort to discredit him and ruin his chances at getting the GOP nomination. In the end though, and what I truly love about finding myself in bed with such strange bedfellows, is that we're all seeing just how desperate the Zionists are to derail Dr. Paul's candidacy. And if you're paying attention you'll also see and perhaps better understand how it is that white nationalism has received such a bad rap over the last several decades, people just like Bill Weiss, with covert media and law enforcement connections, doing everything they can to discredit our views and to alienate our fellow Americans against us. We're finally seeing how certain elements within Talmudic Judaism are not only a real tangible problem for white nationalists, but are also out to manipulate and control non-white nationalists and the American electoral process.

Bill Whites hope was initially that this entire bogus story would be picked up by the mainstream media and that they'd use it to embarrass Dr. Paul. But fortunately, thanks to several so-called racists at VNN and the very anti-racist Michael Rivero, this is not going to happen. Great teamwork guys, keep it up!



# http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White.htm
# http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White_Weise_supplement.htm#Jewish Schools
# http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
# http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20317
# See Whites article below main article.
# http://overthrow.com
# http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php
# Goebbels Diaries. Louis Lochner. [1948] Pg 183.
# http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html
# http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html



Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists
Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party


Thanks for that info Barbara, nice to hear from you.

http://canadyreport.blogspot.com/

Jimbo
12-23-2007, 09:55 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

"Ron Paul" – Getting Air Time On CNN

Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajC0Wl116I


Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
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Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
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Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ffYLwLGYA

Towards the end here, "Ron Paul" puts on a "Ron Paul" t-shirt & flashes the audience w/ what is a absolutely clear, a pair of "Peace" hand-signs, one on each hand.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-23-2007, 09:56 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

"Ron Paul" – Revolution On The Rise...

Ron Paul - Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Unhappy USA Why Ron Paul Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Unhappy USA Why Ron Paul Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On G4 - Guns, Militia, Switzerland - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On G4 - Guns, Militia, Switzerland - yT Video
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Ron Paul - We Must Act - yT Video
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Ron Paul - We Must Act - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Can Ron Paul Win - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Can Ron Paul Win - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Can Win The Nomination Scientifically - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Is As American As They Come - yT Video
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John Lennon - Give Peace A chance - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPujpWGsiw

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Peter
12-23-2007, 10:04 PM
This "peace" handsign is another satanic symbol. Ron Paul loves these satanic hand signs. I wonder where he learned them. Also his masonic hand shakes are very cute. Its clear that Ron Paul is in bed with the illuminati. Anyway, who cares anyway, because "democracy" does not excist anyway. It was decided already many years ago who would be the next president. The voice of slaves does not count.

Jimbo
12-23-2007, 10:48 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - Getting "Air Time" - On Meet The Press...

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P2 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P2 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgTqSu-ZVFM

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P3 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P3 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iJP4BAAQ4

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P4 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P4 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCSY438wpCk

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Delta
12-23-2007, 11:21 PM
Ron is a Gadfly, nothing more!

Jimbo
12-24-2007, 01:07 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - Getting "Air Time" - On Glenn Beck CNN...

Ron Paul Talks About Our Philosophical Enemies "Domestic"

Ron Paul: Thank you Glenn. Nice to be w/ you.

Glenn Beck: Ok. You are on the campaign trail, which is the reason why you are not in the studio now. And I want to get to some of your more controversial positions later on into the program, but I thought we would start on some, on a few of the things I almost never see anybody talk about with you. The real things that "most conservatives do agree w/ you on". I am going to start by playing a clip of something you said just last week in the debate in Iowa.

Ron Paul: I re-read the oath of office, take it seriously, obey the Constitution. We are well defended against all enemies foreign. We should be much more careful about defending against the enemies domestic.

Glenn Beck: Who Sir do you,... who do you believe are the enemies domestic?

I don't see them as individuals or personalities, I see it as a philosophic danger endorsed by the status quo. Most members of congress, most members who have been in the executive branch over the years. The undermining of our personal economic liberties, our personally liberties, our privacy. There's been a special erosion of these privacy issues since 911. So it is, something is been engrained in our system, you know. Economic liberty is very, very important. But that's been undermined, you know, for 70 or 80 years specially since the "depression". So I see them in philosophic terms, rather than in personality terms.

Ron Paul - On Glenn Beck CNN - 12-18-07 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Glenn Beck CNN - 12-18-07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZXWW4C2kpE

Ron Paul's 3 Biggest Enemies - by Devvy Kidd
Enemy number one: Ron Paul is a target of the compromised "mainstream media" and that includes cable network propaganda machines like FAUX (FOX) News, MSNBC and CNN.
Enemy number two: Ron Paul supporters. What? Yes, and let me give you one example,
Enemy number three: Electronic voting machines. If you have an agenda and you want it to go forward, you make sure the lawmakers and policy makers, both county, state and federal, are put in office and stay in office. THAT is the purpose of electronic voting machines.

Ron Paul's 3 Biggest Enemies - by Devvy Kidd
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd330.htm

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Peter
12-24-2007, 01:36 PM
Democracy is a sham. Ron Paul is just another actor in this election drama and not even a good one.

RON PAUL IS A SATANIST. IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM YOU ARE SUPPORTING EVIL.

Delta
12-24-2007, 01:46 PM
Peter wrote:
Democracy is a sham. Ron Paul is just another actor in this election drama and not even a good one.

RON PAUL IS A SATANIST. IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM YOU ARE SUPPORTING EVIL.

And you are yet another fool.

Carefull there Dick, you are now beginning to sound like your other personality DA!

Jimbo
12-28-2007, 09:07 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

"Ron Paul" – Getting Air Time On CNN

Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Wolf Blitzer - 120207 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajC0Wl116I


Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On The View - 120407 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSp_OfZ5Mdw


Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CNN Anderson Cooper 360 yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_TGAq3NF8


Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
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Ron Paul - Debates Paul-O-Rama yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ffYLwLGYA

Towards the end here, "Ron Paul" puts on a "Ron Paul" t-shirt & flashes the audience w/ what is a absolutely clear, a pair of "Peace" hand-signs, one on each hand.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-28-2007, 09:08 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

"Ron Paul" – Revolution On The Rise...

Ron Paul - Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Unhappy USA Why Ron Paul Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Unhappy USA Why Ron Paul Rising - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On G4 - Guns, Militia, Switzerland - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On G4 - Guns, Militia, Switzerland - yT Video
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Ron Paul - We Must Act - yT Video
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Ron Paul - We Must Act - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Can Ron Paul Win - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Can Ron Paul Win - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3oO3b2g8I

Ron Paul - Proof Polls Are Rigged - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYiUAaBd1U

Ron Paul - Can Win The Nomination Scientifically - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIiQcCyuxU

Ron Paul - Is As American As They Come - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg-qsOA0NPk

John Lennon - Give Peace A chance - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPujpWGsiw

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-28-2007, 09:09 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - Getting "Air Time" - On Meet The Press...

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P2 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P2 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P3 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P3 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iJP4BAAQ4

Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P4 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Meet The Press 12-23-07 - P4 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCSY438wpCk

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-28-2007, 09:10 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - Getting "Air Time" - On Glenn Beck CNN...

Ron Paul Talks About Our Philosophical Enemies "Domestic"

Ron Paul: Thank you Glenn. Nice to be w/ you.

Glenn Beck: Ok. You are on the campaign trail, which is the reason why you are not in the studio now. And I want to get to some of your more controversial positions later on into the program, but I thought we would start on some, on a few of the things I almost never see anybody talk about with you. The real things that "most conservatives do agree w/ you on". I am going to start by playing a clip of something you said just last week in the debate in Iowa.

Ron Paul: I re-read the oath of office, take it seriously, obey the Constitution. We are well defended against all enemies foreign. We should be much more careful about defending against the enemies domestic.

Glenn Beck: Who Sir do you,... who do you believe are the enemies domestic?

I don't see them as individuals or personalities, I see it as a philosophic danger endorsed by the status quo. Most members of congress, most members who have been in the executive branch over the years. The undermining of our personal economic liberties, our personally liberties, our privacy. There's been a special erosion of these privacy issues since 911. So it is, something is been engrained in our system, you know. Economic liberty is very, very important. But that's been undermined, you know, for 70 or 80 years specially since the "depression". So I see them in philosophic terms, rather than in personality terms.

Ron Paul - On Glenn Beck CNN - 12-18-07 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Glenn Beck CNN - 12-18-07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZXWW4C2kpE

Ron Paul's 3 Biggest Enemies - by Devvy Kidd
Enemy number one: Ron Paul is a target of the compromised "mainstream media" and that includes cable network propaganda machines like FAUX (FOX) News, MSNBC and CNN.
Enemy number two: Ron Paul supporters. What? Yes, and let me give you one example,
Enemy number three: Electronic voting machines. If you have an agenda and you want it to go forward, you make sure the lawmakers and policy makers, both county, state and federal, are put in office and stay in office. THAT is the purpose of electronic voting machines.

Ron Paul's 3 Biggest Enemies - by Devvy Kidd
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd330.htm

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-28-2007, 09:11 PM
Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" height=375 width=341><img src="http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0710/wron_1112.jpg" height=375 width=500>
<a href="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul - U.S. President 2008</a>

Freedom Under Siege - by "Ron Paul"

Freedom Under Siege - by Ron Paul (e-Book)
http://www.dailypaul.com/freedom-under-siege/Freedom-Under-Siege-complete.pdf

Freedom Under Siege - by Ron Paul (e-Book on Web)
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-29-2007, 11:11 AM
Ron Paul - President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - President 2008

Ron Paul - Getting Better Coverage

Ron Paul - On Mad Money w Cramer - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Mad Money w Cramer - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq7Li1MOF2Y

Ron Paul - The Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - The Revolution - yT Video
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Ron Paul - At Iowa GOP Debate - yT Video
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Ron Paul - At Iowa GOP Debate - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Post-Debate CNN Interviews - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Post-Debate CNN Interviews - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On The Spirit Of Freedom - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On The Spirit Of Freedom - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Washington Didn't Change Me - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Washington Didn't Change Me - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Supported By Freedom Lovers - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Supported By Freedom Lovers - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Fox - 121807 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Fox - 121807 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y5DCP-N5Rw

Ron Paul - On Morning Joe - 121807 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Morning Joe - 121807 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBJK9psnNUo

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
12-29-2007, 10:14 PM
Who Owns The World? - The Money Masters - :-o :-o :-o

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_chess2.jpg
The Money Masters (http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_chess2.jpg)

The Money Masters
THE MONEY MASTERS is a 3 1/2 hour non-fiction, historical documentary that traces the origins of the political power structure that rules our nation and the world today. The modern political power structure has its roots in the hidden manipulation and accumulation of gold and other forms of money. The development of “Fractional Reserve Banking” practices in the 17th century brought to a cunning sophistication the secret techniques initially used by goldsmiths fraudulently to accumulate wealth. With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned "central" bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day. Nation after nation, including America, has fallen prey to this cabal of international central bankers.

This video does not contradict anything we don’t already know. To the contrary, it reinforces what we have learned about those who own & control our world, by controlling the issuance of money & its value. These “central bankers”, as they are referred to, establish, control & manipulate the value of money, for the only purpose of maintaining their hegemonic plutocracy, and ultimately, to maintain ownership & control the entire world, for only selfish reasons, & enforced by the barrels of their guns.

Although we have seen good documentaries & articles written, that explain, by breaking down the pyramid of control, this video does not mention any specific secret organizations or societies, but it does its job by focusing on the “central bankers” as a group of super wealthy & very influential men. And it accomplishes this effort w/o delving into who controls them, the “central bankers”. It does however, every now & then, makes mention of secret societies & treaties, along w/ dates & names of these people & their families.

The information contained here explains what some refer to as the “business cycle”, how this cycle creates times of prosperity, & times of financial chaos, turmoil & devastation. How those who own the gold, make the rules for the rest to follow. How this power, concentrated in the hands of a very few, own, control, & dictate what governments enact, in an effort to “pretend” to address the chaos we are forced into. It explains why our government has been hijacked from day one. It explains why all wars & all financial depressions, & economic collapses are neither accident, nor casualty, but a direct, deliberate, pre-planned, & orchestrated inhumane thievery by these “masters”. This includes every major political movement, every war, every revolution, & every financial collapse in recorded history. These “master” determine how much money you will make, & how much money you will pay for the things you need to live in their world. The catch is, that for them to make their profits, as “decreed on paper”, every now & then, they literally “pull the plug”, & to allow the financial avalanche to begin to roll. At the end, no real wealth is destroyed, but merely transferred back to them, & back into their vaults. Here the word “catalyst” comes to mind. This is how they, cold blooded & w/o mercy, speed things up.

This documentary explains how after World War II (if I remember correctly), England conspired to get back the all of the gold they lost to the United States. How they planned, orchestrated, & “legally” & systematically, & w/ the help of our own government, executed the transfer, a task that took over 40 years to accomplish. Now that’s a real conspiracy, & the biggest theft of all times.

Both the gold standard & the silver standard are covered. However, it warns about the dangers of a pure “gold standard”, & it explains why.

This video puts everything into perspective. It demonstrates the mess we are in, & how we got here. How these “central bankers” suck in the wealth, & thus the hard earned fruits of our labor, out of every nation, every society, & every individual everywhere in the world, & thus it clearly shows why there must be millions of people starving & dying each & every day w/o end. Why this happens, & it is allowed to happen.

I could go on, & on, & on,.. but it is sad to know that so much misery, so much evil, & so much inhumanity is brought upon us by so very few people that are simply aided & abetted by their ignorant & foolish followers.

Now, the question is, when will this madness end & what will it take to end it? The creators of this presentation & documentary claim there is a way to recover, & thus a way to regain back the control of our currency & its value, as inspired by presidents such as Abraham Lincoln, James Madison, & Andrew Jackson.

As he puts it, "Issuing our own debt-free money is not a radical solution. It's the same solution proposed at different points in U.S. history by men like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Abraham Lincoln, William Jennings Bryan, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, numerous Congressmen and economists."

Money Masters - History Of The Federal Reserve- gG Video
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Money Masters - History Of The Federal Reserve- gG Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7757684583209015812

The Money Masters – Internet Video
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=8702

The Money Masters – Transcript (Partial – Some pieces & sections seem to be missing.)
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html

The Money Masters - Official Website
http://www.themoneymasters.com

Money Masters DVD - 2 Vols - $19.95
http://www.themoneymasters.com/order.htm

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
12-30-2007, 07:06 PM
Ron Paul...


Ron Paul is the only candidate in America who has voted strictly based on CONSTITUTIONL PRINCIPALS, in his ENTIRE CAREER, which is what a Congresman is supposed to do. Therefore,if this candidate does'nt pleese you, then there is no basis for your arguments, because he has fulfilled his obligations to Americans in his DISTRICT, Its up to Americans to seek out candidates like him in there own districts, that's the way it is.

Jimbo
12-30-2007, 07:39 PM
Ron Paul - President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul - President 2008

Ron Paul - The People's President 2008

<img src="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/r_paul_speaking.jpg" height=500 width=450>
<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/r_paul_speaking.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008</a>

Ron Paul - The People's President 2008

He might not be liked by the establishment, but he is certainly well liked by at least the 70% or more Americans who want out of these bogus wars, & that’s besides the new numbers of newcomers that are constantly joining in on his support daily. Yes, the debates are (attempted) to be fixed, & w/ great success rate. The polls are fixed, the questioning is fixed, & the evidence has been caught on both audio & video. But they can’t fix the crowds, they can’t beat his persona, they can’t beat his honesty, they can’t beat the supporter’s enthusiasm, & above all, they can’t beat the spontaneity & the Spirit of Freedom. Ron Paul is truly the people’s President.

Ron Beats Rudy?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/cc/?id=110011060

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
01-02-2008, 12:55 AM
Denmark-Based Saxo Bank Predicts Ron Paul Presidency In 2008 - :-o :-o :-o

Denmark-Based Saxo Bank Predicts Ron Paul Presidency In 2008

Denmark-Based Saxo Bank Predicts Ron Paul Presidency In 2008
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=36480&sectionid=3510203

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:08:48

Denmark-Based Saxo Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency in 2008, saying US economy will plunge into a depression prior to the election.

The Bank predicted that Ron Paul, US congressman and Republican presidential candidate, will win the US 2008 Presidential Election.

Saxo Bank says the US Economy will shrink by 25% and the Chinese economy will decrease by 40%. The economic downturn will come about as a result of the housing crash.

Ron Paul has been critical of the Federal Reserve and has blamed the Federal Reserve for causing the real estate bubble and crash. Paul has said that the loose monetary policy of the Fed had artificially inflated real estate prices which lead to the collapse.

Paul supports 'Sound Money' and opposes the Federal Reserve's 'Inflation Tax' and says that he wants to prevent a dollar collapse.

Saxo Bank also predicts $175 a barrel for oil and the price of grain will double. Some have predicted that oil will climb to $250 a barrel if the US attacks Iran. The bank also predicts that 30% of large building companies will go bankrupt.

MRI/RA

Questions The Media Will Not Ask About Ron Paul
http://www.primarilypaul.com/2008/01/01/questions-the-media-wont-ask-about-ron-paul

Ron Paul - Surge Scares Inner Party - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Surge Scares Inner Party - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aNHZI66BPs

Ron Paul - Gets Chuck Baldwin's Endorsement - yT Video
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Ron Paul - Gets Chuck Baldwin's Endorsement - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac

Ron Paul - On Fox Business News - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Fox Business News - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cml7JLfGxkY

Ron Paul - On Cspan - 12-21-07 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On Cspan - 12-21-07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AWxWUtw4ns

Ron Paul - On CBS News - 12-21-07 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - On CBS News - 12-21-07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVF5pMaNUKo

Ron Paul - In Los Angeles, CA - P1 - yT Video
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Ron Paul - In Los Angeles, CA - P1 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvBckHLbM8

Ron Paul - In LA, CA - P2 - World Government - yT Video
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Ron Paul - In LA, CA - P2 - World Government - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek8a-yVR7pk

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

illuminatiwa
01-02-2008, 07:14 PM
Ron Paul's secret society/masonic connections have been overreacted. People are too busy looking for cryptic handshakes when they should have been paying more attention to other details which truly denounce the activity of the global shadow government.

http://illuminatiwatch.org/politics/ron-paul-secret-handshakes-and-the-devil-horns

Peter
01-02-2008, 07:27 PM
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Shadow
01-02-2008, 07:38 PM
QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS

Question to the boy wonder:

Do you really know what an "illuminst" is?

illuminatiwa
01-02-2008, 07:53 PM
Peter wrote:
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Ron Paul is a member of Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity, a relatively harmless extension of The Lodge. His "secret handshakes" are really nothing more than a ritual greeting of the college fraternity. The "devil horns" pictures are deliberate snapshots taken by people with too much time on their hands - go figure, by using the same technique and with enough video material I could prove that anyone is a Freemason or Diabolist.

COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S FOCUS ON MATTERS OF GREATER IMPORTANCE

And YES, you are right, nothing will really change in the elections of this year - it really doesn't matter for the Illuminati it the expressed phenotype of the government is liberal or conservative, deep down in their genes the agenda is still the same, as it has been since 1913.

Peter
01-02-2008, 07:54 PM
Yes I know what an Illuminist is. I met some of the members of the leading families. That explained more than reading a million books about this subject.

Shadow
01-02-2008, 07:57 PM
illuminatiwa wrote:

Peter wrote:
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Ron Paul is a member of Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity, a relatively harmless extension of The Lodge. His "secret handshakes" are really nothing more than a ritual greeting of the college fraternity. The "devil horns" pictures are deliberate snapshots taken by people with too much time on their hands - go figure, by using the same technique and with enough video material I could prove that anyone is a Freemason or Diabolist.

COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S FOCUS ON MATTERS OF GREATER IMPORTANCE

And YES, you are right, nothing will really change in the elections of this year - it really doesn't matter for the Illuminati it the expressed phenotype of the government is liberal or conservative, deep down in their genes the agenda is still the same, as it has been since 1913.

Don't waste your time with that imbecile. His only concern is to troll and trash this place.

As for poor Ron, like all good Libretarians, he is an anachronism.

Their policies may sound good, but they would never work in the modern world!

Jimbo
01-02-2008, 08:38 PM
Peter wrote:
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Your corroborating sources are nothing more than bogus blogs & web sites. There is nothing satanic about the handshake shown in your link. And no one has yet come forward showing w/o doubt that what seems to be a “I love you” hand-sign is anything other than just that. Even the blogger admits that "Its the sign language symbol for 'I love you' ", “Definitely a possibility, but in light of the fact that RP is very well aware of conspiracy culture and some of its realities” – which makes his statement nothing but a very personal opinion. That is not evidence of NWO membership – doesn’t matter how you slice it.

You & everybody else are free to believe whatever you want. However your believe is not proof of anything but of your already biased opinion.

The NWO is a concept & a movement w/ goals & agendas, but is not yet established.

There are still many of us, actually the great majority of people are freedom loving people, & even those that are still duped by media & the subliminal system of control.

Obviously those who are afraid of what Ron Paul stands for (those of the NWO) have more to gain from spreading rumors & questionable photos showing occasional signs w/ very questionable meanings as to imply that Ron Paul is one of them, & so that the battle is nothing but an illusion. You can also believe that.

You also fit the profile of a NWO “agent provocateur” pretending not to be. However, you provide nothing but the idea of subjugation & the surrendering of our wills to the all seeing, omnipresent, & omnipotent NWO. So if anything, I believe you are a soulless NWO Satanist w/ a very weak argument about Ron Paul.

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provocateur

I have to agree w/ many people here that have made it a point to bring it out to our attention the fact that there are a few malicious posters here (& you know who you are) that their only objective is to destroy threads w/ an important message. Those that destroy the threads are the real cowards & the real NWO operatives, even if they claim they are not.

But because you have no soul, you have no future. I can see why you are all so afraid of disappearing into the vacuum of eternal nothingness. If I were you I’d be worried too.

BlueAngel
01-02-2008, 08:41 PM
illuminatiwa wrote:

Peter wrote:
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Ron Paul is a member of Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity, a relatively harmless extension of The Lodge. His "secret handshakes" are really nothing more than a ritual greeting of the college fraternity. The "devil horns" pictures are deliberate snapshots taken by people with too much time on their hands - go figure, by using the same technique and with enough video material I could prove that anyone is a Freemason or Diabolist.

COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S FOCUS ON MATTERS OF GREATER IMPORTANCE

And YES, you are right, nothing will really change in the elections of this year - it really doesn't matter for the Illuminati it the expressed phenotype of the government is liberal or conservative, deep down in their genes the agenda is still the same, as it has been since 1913.

Sorry, but the "horned devil sign" is a signal of camaraderie with the Illuminists and, as far as those people who took these snapshots having too much time on their hands, I disagree.

Had they not been captured, those who thought he may not be one of them, are now convinced that he is.

Sure, they're all puppets, as far as those in the conspiratorial world are concerned, but Ron Paul may be pulling the wool over a lot of eyes.

What matters of greater importance do you suggest we focus on if not the fact that our leaders, executive branch and congressional are slaves for the "powers that be/secret government?"

Shadow
01-02-2008, 08:44 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

illuminatiwa wrote:

Peter wrote:
Ron Paul makes lots of satanic handsigns and masonic handshakes. This should be enough to conclude he is an illuminist. For the rest he has nothing interesting to say. He can not be considered an alternative candidate if he believes in terrorism and stuff like that. Besides this its well established that the whole election parade is just one big hollywood show to keep the sheep bussy with something. Democracy does not excist, so how can voting for anybody change anything?

QUESTION:

DO YOU REALY THINK THAT THE ILLUMINIST WOULD LET THE SLAVES DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PUPPET LEADER OF THE US?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

Ron Paul is a member of Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity, a relatively harmless extension of The Lodge. His "secret handshakes" are really nothing more than a ritual greeting of the college fraternity. The "devil horns" pictures are deliberate snapshots taken by people with too much time on their hands - go figure, by using the same technique and with enough video material I could prove that anyone is a Freemason or Diabolist.

COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S FOCUS ON MATTERS OF GREATER IMPORTANCE

And YES, you are right, nothing will really change in the elections of this year - it really doesn't matter for the Illuminati it the expressed phenotype of the government is liberal or conservative, deep down in their genes the agenda is still the same, as it has been since 1913.

Sorry, but the "horned devil sign" is a signal of camaraderie with the Illuminists and, as far as those people who took these snapshots having too much time on their hands, I disagree.

Had they not been captured, those who thought he may not be one of them, are now convinced that he is.

Sure, they're all puppets, as far as those in the conspiratorial world are concerned, but Ron Paul may be pulling the wool over a lot of eyes.

What matters of greater importance do you suggest we focus on if not the fact that our leaders, executive branch and congressional are slaves for the "powers that be/secret government?"

While you are a slave to your mental illness!

BlueAngel
01-02-2008, 08:46 PM
Seems to me your mental illness is written all over the walls of this forum.

Shadow
01-02-2008, 08:46 PM
looks who’s talking Ms. garbage dribble...

that is all you do, to “quote your words”...

“trash every thread on the forum with their dribble”...

BlueAngel
01-02-2008, 09:00 PM
I apologize, Peter.

Didn't mean to step on the newest member's response to your post.

I just had to add my two cents.

Peter
01-02-2008, 09:08 PM
Do not worry. Its Shadow who is the problem. Its time the moderators deal with this guy.

BlueAngel
01-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Peter wrote:
Do not worry. Its Shadow who is the problem. Its time the moderators deal with this guy.

Couldn't agree more.

Quite interesting how EVERYONE else on the board seems to find IT's rude behavior on the forum, which has always been mainly targeted at me, acceptable and these are, as they proclaim themselves to be, in the know about the NWO.

These members have the same tolerance for the many other posters on this forum who behave in the same manner as Shadow.

BlueAngel
01-02-2008, 10:44 PM
Oh, please, JIMBO. Get real.

You label someone an agent provocateur working for the NWO because they have a differing opinion than what you believe.

Give me a break.

People who don't agree with you and post contrary to your opinion are not disrupting threads.

They're posting contrary to your opinion and are not agent provocateurs in most cases.

What?

You think anyone who disagrees with you is working for the NWO?

If you expect that YOUR threads are only there for those who agree with you, I would suggest you are not thinking clearly unless you believe this is a GROUP think situation, which would suggest mind control.

You have spent much time on this forum and I'm certain you are playing dumb by not calling out the real disruptor's in this place.

You prefer to label those with an opinion that differs from your own as disruptor's or "agents."

Maybe you should write a book.

That way, only your opinion will be included.

Jimbo said:

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provocateur

-----------------------------------------------

Are you under the impression that this forum exists for a group of people who have to think exactly the same?

What group of people?

Yourself?

If so, I can understand why you believe anyone with a differing opinion is an "agent."

When people cast labels, it is to disperse "disinformation" about the person.

Maybe you're a disinformation agent, JIMBO.

You cast labels to dis-spell conflicting opinions other than what you believe so that anyone else reading might believe what you say about another poster as being an "agent" for the NWO.

Maybe you're a NWO agent.

Ron Paul ought to get a clue and stop using sign language.

We're not deaf!

Shadow
01-03-2008, 12:32 AM
Is it one cretin speaking as two or two cretins speaking as one.

Whichever it is, stay the hell out of the Ron Paul thread as this is the only real one going here and you two seem hell bent to pollute it and shut it down!

Stay out BlueAngel/Peter (or is it just cretin squared)




I apologize, Peter.

Didn't mean to step on the newest member's response to your post.

I just had to add my two cents.

Do not worry. Its Shadow who is the problem. Its time the moderators deal with this guy.

Couldn't agree more.

Quite interesting how EVERYONE else on the board seems to find IT's rude behavior on the forum, which has always been mainly targeted at me, acceptable and these are, as they proclaim themselves to be, in the know about the NWO.

These members have the same tolerance for the many other posters on this forum who behave in the same manner as Shadow.

Oh, please, JIMBO. Get real.

You label someone an agent provocateur working for the NWO because they have a differing opinion than what you believe.

Give me a break.

People who don't agree with you and post contrary to your opinion are not disrupting threads.

They're posting contrary to your opinion and are not agent provocateurs in most cases.

What?

You think anyone who disagrees with you is working for the NWO?

If you expect that YOUR threads are only there for those who agree with you, I would suggest you are not thinking clearly unless you believe this is a GROUP think situation, which would suggest mind control.

You have spent much time on this forum and I'm certain you are playing dumb by not calling out the real disruptor's in this place.

You prefer to label those with an opinion that differs from your own as disruptor's or "agents."

Maybe you should write a book.

That way, only your opinion will be included.

Jimbo said:

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.

Are you under the impression that this forum exists for a group of people who have to think exactly the same?

What group of people?

Yourself?

If so, I can understand why you believe anyone with a differing opinion is an "agent."

When people cast labels, it is to disperse "disinformation" about the person.

Maybe you're a disinformation agent, JIMBO.

You cast labels to dis-spell conflicting opinions other than what you believe so that anyone else reading might believe what you say about another poster as being an "agent" for the NWO.

Maybe you're a NWO agent.

Ron Paul ought to get a clue and stop using sign language.

We're not deaf!

redrat11
02-17-2008, 08:36 PM
It was'nt 'in the cards'...


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Morty
02-17-2008, 09:41 PM
Some people do really have a problem getting Ron Paul at all at this forum

Cudos for Jimbo making this thread and posting all the videos.

To those who keep up the "Ron Paul is part of the satanic illuminati"-crap, give it a break. And the "facts" regarding the V-sign as a satanic symbol, it is as BS as it gets.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Bunny_ears.jpg

redrat11
02-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Some people do really have a problem getting Ron Paul at all at this forum

Cudos for Jimbo making this thread and posting all the videos.

To those who keep up the "Ron Paul is part of the satanic illuminati"-crap, give it a break. And the "facts" regarding the V-sign as a satanic symbol, it is as BS as it gets.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Bunny_ears.jpg





I'm the Creator......of this thread.

Morty
02-18-2008, 12:25 PM
Well, kudos for you too :D

redrat11
03-10-2008, 01:34 PM
The Revolution Did'nt End

Ron Paul 2008 &mdash; Hope for America (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)



Ron Paul still running...


Rand Paul: Is the Revolution Over of Just Beginning? (3/10/08)
by Rand Paul, MD | March 8, 2008

Reports that Ron Paul has quit the Presidential Race remind me of Mark Twain's famous "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." The Ron Paul Presidential campaign continues, albeit at a different pace.

What does that mean?

Ron Paul will continue to contest the remaining primaries. Ron Paul's name will be on all the remaining state ballots. Ron Paul volunteers are encouraged to become precinct captains, delegates to state and national conventions, and to try pass Constitutional proposals to each state's Republican platform.

For example, volunteers in each state should try to attach amendments such as the following: Republicans believe that war should only be fought after a proper Declaration of War by Congress. Another possible platform idea is that: Republican Congressmen are expected to vote against any federal budget, Republican or Democrat, that is not balanced.

Want to have some fun? Just imagine the fun when the debate begins on these ideas.

Is Ron Paul still campaigning for president? Yes. Ron Paul has tentative plans to campaign in Pennsylvania and Kentucky. Ron Paul will also likely appear in other states that have remaining primaries.

The press is reporting that Ron Paul has quit the race. This is not true. Ron Paul's video simply acknowledges that the campaign will continue but will also transform into additional activities such as education and supporting other candidates. In Kentucky we just held precinct conventions and Ron Paul Republicans won hundreds of precinct captains. In Kyle, Texas, Craig Young upset the establishment choice for Republican County Chairman.

The Ron Paul Revolution lives on! Victory comes in many forms. Help shape what the Ron Paul revolution becomes.










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Dr. Paul’s Writings › Statement Introducing the Free Competition in Currency Act
Summary:

As a proponent of competition in currencies, I believe that the American people should be free to choose the type of currency they prefer to use. The ability of consumers to adopt alternative currencies can help to keep the government and the Federal Reserve honest, as the threat that further inflation will cause more and more people to opt out of using the dollar may restrain the government from debasing the currency. As monopolists, however, the Federal Reserve and the Mint fear competition, and would rather force competitors out using the federal court system and the threat of asset forfeiture than compete in the market.


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by Ron Paul, Dr. December 13, 2007

Madame Speaker, I rise to introduce the Free Competition in Currency Act. This act would eliminate two sections of US Code that, although ostensibly intended to punish counterfeiters, have instead been used by the government to shut down private mints. As anti-counterfeiting measures, these sections are superfluous, as 18 USC 485, 490, and 491 already grant sufficient authority to punish counterfeiters.

The two sections this bill repeals, 18 USC 486 and 489, are so broadly written as to effectively restrict any form of private coinage from competing with the products of the United States Mint. Allowing such statutes to remain in force as a catch-all provision merely encourages prosecutorial abuse. One particular egregious recent example is that of the Liberty Dollar, in which federal agents seized millions of dollars worth of private currency held by a private mint on behalf of thousands of people across the country.

Due to nearly a century of inflationary monetary policy on the part of the Federal Reserve, the US dollar stands at historically low levels. Investors around the world are shunning the dollar, and millions of Americans see their salaries, savings accounts, and pensions eroded away by rising inflation. We stand on the precipice of an unprecedented monetary collapse, and as a result many people have begun to look for alternatives to the dollar.

As a proponent of competition in currencies, I believe that the American people should be free to choose the type of currency they prefer to use. The ability of consumers to adopt alternative currencies can help to keep the government and the Federal Reserve honest, as the threat that further inflation will cause more and more people to opt out of using the dollar may restrain the government from debasing the currency. As monopolists, however, the Federal Reserve and the Mint fear competition, and would rather force competitors out using the federal court system and the threat of asset forfeiture than compete in the market.

A free society should shun this type of strong-arm action, and the Free Competition in Currency Act would take the necessary first steps to freeing the market for competing currencies. I urge my colleagues to support this bill.




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