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redrat11
08-03-2007, 07:28 PM
Ron Paul Watch (http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Ron_Paul_brings_back_a_whacky_post_911_bill.html)


Is Ron Paul a phony? (zionist stooge?) :-?

Why would a SENIOR MEMBER OF CONGRESS issue such a proposal? knowing full well AL-Queda is a U.S. Government creation?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3216:




http://www.iamthewitness.com/index.html

BlueAngel
08-03-2007, 08:52 PM
He's playing both sides of the fence like they all do.

Nothing knew!

redrat11
08-03-2007, 11:47 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
He's playing both sides of the fence like they all do.

Nothing knew!

Maybe, maybe not...


http://youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom

either way, can anyone repair the damage done to America, besides GOD?

Barbara
08-04-2007, 06:55 AM
If either of you two seriously think Ron Paul is a Zionist (or any body else's) stooge, let me be the first to suggest that you GET REAL.

Obviously, something you are eating, drinking or smoking is affecting your brain.

Now is not the time to wimp out and hedge your bets. Get informed and TAKE A STAND. Either you believe in freedom and individual liberty or you don't.

Remember this:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

The MSM has done a helluva job of ignoring Ron Paul, then they laughed at him and his Constitutional stand on EVERYTHING, along with his legions of grass-roots supporters, who continue to increase on a daily basis. Their toady, Stephanopolis, was rude to Ron's face by laughing and telling him "It's not going to happen," meaning Ron being elected president.

They are gearing up for the next to the last phase where they fight him using every underhanded, lying, mendacious means at their disposal to discredit him. Money and influence will buy a bunch of liars. They plan to keep him busy putting out their "brush fires" so he can't keep getting the word out.

Ron Paul has been in the public eye for over 30 years with never so much as a breath of scandal. If there was anything they could have used they would have kept him out of Congress; in Texas, they threw money to his opponents, redistricted him, everything they could come up with and FAILED.

For two posters who have a reputation for being against the NWO, mind control, etc., I am saddened to see you join their forces by insinuating that Ron Paul could possibly be a Zionist stooge. Shame on both of you.

If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Nothing you have offered is any kind of proof to back up your insinuating "question." Is that the best you can do?

You have seriously lowered yourselves and your veracity in my eyes. Henceforth, I will cease to consider your posts as anything other than unprincipled verbiage.

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 08:43 AM
I think Dr. Makow should weigh in with his opinion of Ron Paul or an article on his website, at least.

redrat11
08-04-2007, 12:37 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I think Dr. Makow should weigh in with his opinion of Ron Paul or an article on his website, at least.

Apparently you need someone do your thinking for yourself.... :-?

redrat11
08-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Barbara wrote:
If either of you two seriously think Ron Paul is a Zionist (or any body else's) stooge, let me be the first to suggest that you GET REAL.

Obviously, something you are eating, drinking or smoking is affecting your brain.

Now is not the time to wimp out and hedge your bets. Get informed and TAKE A STAND. Either you believe in freedom and individual liberty or you don't.

Remember this:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

The MSM has done a helluva job of ignoring Ron Paul, then they laughed at him and his Constitutional stand on EVERYTHING, along with his legions of grass-roots supporters, who continue to increase on a daily basis. Their toady, Stephanopolis, was rude to Ron's face by laughing and telling him "It's not going to happen," meaning Ron being elected president.

They are gearing up for the next to the last phase where they fight him using every underhanded, lying, mendacious means at their disposal to discredit him. Money and influence will buy a bunch of liars. They plan to keep him busy putting out their "brush fires" so he can't keep getting the word out.

Ron Paul has been in the public eye for over 30 years with never so much as a breath of scandal. If there was anything they could have used they would have kept him out of Congress; in Texas, they threw money to his opponents, redistricted him, everything they could come up with and FAILED.

For two posters who have a reputation for being against the NWO, mind control, etc., I am saddened to see you join their forces by insinuating that Ron Paul could possibly be a Zionist stooge. Shame on both of you.

If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Nothing you have offered is any kind of proof to back up your insinuating "question." Is that the best you can do?

You have seriously lowered yourselves and your veracity in my eyes. Henceforth, I will cease to consider your posts as anything other than unprincipled verbiage.


Apparently you did'nt read my post on RON PAUL, I provided a BILL that he proposed to GEORGE BUSH, that called for the assasination or capture of BIN LADEN (A known CIA ASSET) and U.S. government creation (along with Al-Queda) by private militia, NOW TELL ME BARBARA, AGAIN I ASK, WHAT WOULD A SENIOR U.S. CONGRESSPERSON WITH VAST KNOWLEDGE ABOUT INNER-GOVERNMENT WORKINGS BE PROPOSING SUCH A RIDICULOUS BILL?

YOU CAN BRING AND SHOW ME ALL HIS GREAT CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN RECORD, THE FACT REMAINS OPEN ON HIS REAL INTENTIONS, I BET YOU POLITICAL HACKS DON'T EVEN REALIZE HE'S A FREE-TRADER DID YOU?

redrat11
08-04-2007, 01:02 PM
My apoligies to the Ron Paul supporters out there, I'm simply making a point of understanding the current political situation here,I believe not even Ron Paul could fix the enormous problems we face, even if GOD willing they let him win, can't you realize that it's his responsibility to fill thousands of government positions, I sincerly hope you can all forgive me for my viewpoints on Ron Paul, I just am a believer in GOD of the Christian faith, not any humans, peace be with all.

Barbara
08-04-2007, 04:18 PM
There was once a "God-fearing" Christian man who was caught in a flood. He managed to make it to the roof of his house where he sat and prayed for God to save him.

Shortly, a motorboat came by and the man at the helm said, "Jump in, I'll take you to safety." "No, thank you," came the reply, "I'm waiting for God to save me."

A little later a helicopter hovered over his house and a rope ladder was thrown down so he could climb up. The man waved them off, yelling "I'm waiting for God to save me."

The waters continued to rise, his house was swept away and he drowned.

On reaching the "pearly gates," the man questioned Saint Peter saying, "I've been a Christian all my life and believed there was nothing that God could not do, so why did he not save me when the flood came?"

Saint Peter replied, "What's your problem, he sent you a motor boat and a helicopter."

If we wind up with a cross-dressing mobster like Guliani, a lobbyist phony like Thompson or a Hillary, don't blame God, he sent you Ron Paul.

********************************


Real, honest free trade, a concept whose time has come.

As far as filling all those thousands of positions, haven't you heard? Ron Paul would work to abolish all those un-Constitutional departments and agencies, forcing tens of thousands of bureaucrats into the unemployment lines where they would have to find REAL jobs and actually WORK for a change.

Imagine, if you can, being free of the IRS, BATF, Federal Reserve, Dept. of Education, Homeland Security - the list goes on and on.

Unless we are a nation seriously suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, there is only one logical choice in 2008, RON PAUL.

Get informed and join the REVOLUTION.

redrat11
08-04-2007, 05:17 PM
Barbara wrote:


If we wind up with a cross-dressing mobster like Guliani, a lobbyist phony like Thompson or a Hillary, don't blame God, he sent you Ron Paul.

********************************


Real, honest free trade, a concept whose time has come.

As far as filling all those thousands of positions, haven't you heard? Ron Paul would work to abolish all those un-Constitutional departments and agencies, forcing tens of thousands of bureaucrats into the unemployment lines where they would have to find REAL jobs and actually WORK for a change.

Imagine, if you can, being free of the IRS, BATF, Federal Reserve, Dept. of Education, Homeland Security - the list goes on and on.

Unless we are a nation seriously suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, there is only one logical choice in 2008, RON PAUL.

Get informed and join the REVOLUTION.

Great post Barbara, Maybe, just Maybe, God has sent us Ron Paul, there is absolutely no excuse for people not to vote for him, unless your a braindead Democrat or Republican, (I wonder why R.Paul does'nt drop the GOP altogether and register independent?) I'll certainly tell everyone I know to vote R. Paul. :-) But I reserve my criticism on his WAR ON TERROR BILL... by the way, which you have not answered my question on the first post here, maybe I'm going to e-mail him directly R. Paul that is .

Barbara
08-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Let's treat with the "Third Party" issue first. I learned from Dr. Paul's 1988 campaign when he ran on the Libertarian ticket that (1) TO EVEN GET ON THE BALLOT, thousands of signatures had to be garnered in EACH state and (2) A fee of so much per name had to be paid to bureaucrats in each state to verify each signature.

If I remember correctly, this came to between 50-100 thousand dollars per state. Multiply that times 50 and you begin to see how much money a candidate or party must have going in to even get a Third Party candidate's name on the ballot.

Dr. Paul is a Republican, a limited government, non-interventionist, Constitutionally TRUE Republican. Why should he even consider running on a Third Party ticket?

From this point on, you are going to get MY opinion; I have not asked anyone the reasoning behind the Bill calling for a Letter of Marque and Reprisal sponsored by Ron Paul. You or anyone else can freely do so and will, no doubt, get an answer - though it may take some time since everyone working in the campaign's pulling double duty to make the contributions go as far as possible.

Again, in reference to your first post, it is always best to ensure that the terms used are clearly understood. Towards that end, I quote from Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition:

LETTER OF MARQUE AND REPRISAL: An authorization formerly granted in time of war by a government to the owner of a private vessel to capture enemy vessels and goods on the high seas. Art. 1, Sec. 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

After clicking on the link you provided and reading the information there, my first thought was that Ron is trying to short-circuit a war with Pakistan. The sabers are rattling for the U.S. to go into this nuclear-armed country, ostensibly to route out Osama ben Laden and his AlQuida cohorts.

Nothing happens in a vacuum; just about the whole world, with the exception of Americans, believes Ben Laden dead and buried but the neocons refuse to turn loose of their Number 1 bad guy so they are keeping the lie (and Osama) alive.

Since the military hasn't done such a great job of locating Ben Laden, why NOT authorize "bounty hunters" to go after him? That is pretty much what we are talking about here. They would register and put up a security deposit and be on their own with no US tax dollars involved.

This is what could have been done with Sadam IF they could have proven their 911 charges against him, BUT THEY COULDN'T, it was all lies, so Iraq was illegally/unlawfully invaded.

In my opinion, (I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH) Ron was saying, in effect, let's get more people with better chances of finding him on the job rather than bumbling our way into another theater of war.

If the guy is dead, what is the harm? If he is alive, bring him in and try him for his accused crimes, but stop stamping all over the Middle East killing hundreds of thousands of civilians while supposedly looking for one man. It's insanity.

One thing I do know for sure, Ron Paul would never take a frivolous or un-Constitutional action. As the saying goes, "You can take that to the bank."

Why not send your question in to Ron Paul so he can answer it, perhaps in the next debate?

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 08:35 PM
redrat11 wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
I think Dr. Makow should weigh in with his opinion of Ron Paul or an article on his website, at least.

Apparently you need someone do your thinking for yourself.... :-?

Apparently, you selectively did not read my comment where I stated my thought on the subject.

redrat11
08-04-2007, 09:06 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
I think Dr. Makow should weigh in with his opinion of Ron Paul or an article on his website, at least.

Apparently you need someone do your thinking for yourself.... :-?

Apparently, you selectively did not read my comment where I stated my thought on the subject.


You said Ron Paul walks both sides of the fence, can you elaborate on that? Also, I doubt if Makow would endorse Ron Paul, but, yes I would also like to know his views on R. Paul. personally I'm not confortable with his libertarianisn.... :-?

redrat11
08-04-2007, 09:10 PM
Barbara wrote:
Let's treat with the "Third Party" issue first. I learned from Dr. Paul's 1988 campaign when he ran on the Libertarian ticket that (1) TO EVEN GET ON THE BALLOT, thousands of signatures had to be garnered in EACH state and (2) A fee of so much per name had to be paid to bureaucrats in each state to verify each signature.

If I remember correctly, this came to between 50-100 thousand dollars per state. Multiply that times 50 and you begin to see how much money a candidate or party must have going in to even get a Third Party candidate's name on the ballot.

Dr. Paul is a Republican, a limited government, non-interventionist, Constitutionally TRUE Republican. Why should he even consider running on a Third Party ticket?

From this point on, you are going to get MY opinion; I have not asked anyone the reasoning behind the Bill calling for a Letter of Marque and Reprisal sponsored by Ron Paul. You or anyone else can freely do so and will, no doubt, get an answer - though it may take some time since everyone working in the campaign's pulling double duty to make the contributions go as far as possible.

Again, in reference to your first post, it is always best to ensure that the terms used are clearly understood. Towards that end, I quote from Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition:

LETTER OF MARQUE AND REPRISAL: An authorization formerly granted in time of war by a government to the owner of a private vessel to capture enemy vessels and goods on the high seas. Art. 1, Sec. 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

After clicking on the link you provided and reading the information there, my first thought was that Ron is trying to short-circuit a war with Pakistan. The sabers are rattling for the U.S. to go into this nuclear-armed country, ostensibly to route out Osama ben Laden and his AlQuida cohorts.

Nothing happens in a vacuum; just about the whole world, with the exception of Americans, believes Ben Laden dead and buried but the neocons refuse to turn loose of their Number 1 bad guy so they are keeping the lie (and Osama) alive.

Since the military hasn't done such a great job of locating Ben Laden, why NOT authorize "bounty hunters" to go after him? That is pretty much what we are talking about here. They would register and put up a security deposit and be on their own with no US tax dollars involved.

This is what could have been done with Sadam IF they could have proven their 911 charges against him, BUT THEY COULDN'T, it was all lies, so Iraq was illegally/unlawfully invaded.

In my opinion, (I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH) Ron was saying, in effect, let's get more people with better chances of finding him on the job rather than bumbling our way into another theater of war.

If the guy is dead, what is the harm? If he is alive, bring him in and try him for his accused crimes, but stop stamping all over the Middle East killing hundreds of thousands of civilians while supposedly looking for one man. It's insanity.

One thing I do know for sure, Ron Paul would never take a frivolous or un-Constitutional action. As the saying goes, "You can take that to the bank."

Why not send your question in to Ron Paul so he can answer it, perhaps in the next debate?

I'm going to do in-depth research on Ron Paul, I want to know all the "associations" and organizations he endorses. i will post my results in a few weeks. :-)

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 09:42 PM
RedRat said:

"You said Ron Paul walks both sides of the fence, can you elaborate on that? Also, I doubt if Makow would endorse Ron Paul, but, yes I would also like to know his views on R. Paul. personally I'm not confortable with his libertarianisn...."

Your most recent comment has no association to what you stated earlier when I said it would be nice for Dr. Makow to weigh in on his opinion of Ron Paul. Your reply was that I needed someone to do my thinking for me. My reply was that I had posted my thoughts about Ron Paul which is that a candidate can appear to be one thing to the public, but be playing both sides of the fence. What's to elaborate? You know what the means. I wasn't asking for Makow to endorse Ron Paul. I said it would be nice to know his opinion, but, I'm certain he feels the same as I do. But, I could be wrong.

What's the deal with you thinking GOD is going to save us and your apologies for not ENDORSING Ron Paul.

This isn't a Ron Paul website where all must approve of him.

It's a Conspiracy Forum.

redrat11
08-04-2007, 09:55 PM
BlueAngel wrote:


What's the deal with you thinking GOD is going to save us and your apologies for not ENDORSING Ron Paul.

This isn't a Ron Paul website where all must approve of him.

It's a Conspiracy Forum.[/b]

I think that a catastrophic 'event' bigger than 911 will happen, and it's my hope that GOD can intervene to help, he's never let me down, (I don't know about you, nor do I care,) but, I'm not ashamed to say these things, and I don't care what you think of me. And My apologies were to the many people out there strolling by this website, who happen to be R. Paul supporters, I have nothing personal against his drive for the presidency, I hope he wins, my point was the problems we face, are monumental in nature, I think and believe we've as Americans have well passed the point of NO-RETURN. Our country anyway. :-?

BlueAngel
08-04-2007, 10:09 PM
RedRat said:

"I think that a catastrophic 'event' bigger than 911 will happen, and it's my hope that GOD can intervene to help, he's never let me down, (I don't know about you, nor do I care,) but, I'm not ashamed to say these things, and I don't care what you think of me. And My apologies were to the many people out there strolling by this website, who happen to be R. Paul supporters, I have nothing personal against his drive for the presidency, I hope he wins, my point was the problems we face, are monumental in nature, I think and believe we've as Americans have well passed the point of NO-RETURN. Our country anyway."

You're counting on GOD to save the world because he's never let YOU down and, therefore, his intervention would be acredited to your relationship with him. Awesome, RedRat and God alone will save the masses. You shouldn't care what I think about you. It's also good that you don't know about me or care. You're a Ron Paul supporter and will be voting for him before you accomplish your in-depth research. Still don't get the apology. If you don't care what people think, why apologize? As far as the point of NO-RETURN, I wouldn't count on it.

redrat11
08-04-2007, 10:19 PM
I'm a powerful being with ESP powers, I've been incredibly blessed by GOD with EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION powers, such as REMOTE VIEWING, Physhic mind visions of future events, and general awareness of the "unseen powers" at large.


I'm not ashamed to reveal this, nor do I care if anyone believes me, I cannot use these powers at whim, because they only come from GOD, as a tool that he uses so to lay bare his great power from above. is that all? :-o

BlueAngel
08-05-2007, 09:23 AM
redrat11 wrote:
I'm a powerful being with ESP powers, I've been incredibly blessed by GOD with EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION powers, such as REMOTE VIEWING, Physhic mind visions of future events, and general awareness of the "unseen powers" at large.


I'm not ashamed to reveal this, nor do I care if anyone believes me, I cannot use these powers at whim, because they only come from GOD, as a tool that he uses so to lay bare his great power from above. is that all? :-o

Sound like the CIA missed out or not!

What's with your OUT OF CONTEXT QUESTION to me?

IS THAT ALL?

IS WHAT ALL?

Care to elaborate or be more specific or is your intention not to be?

redrat11
08-05-2007, 10:30 AM
IOWA DEBATE???????

going on NOW!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3444367&page=1

I had no idea this was planned for today.

redrat11
08-05-2007, 06:07 PM
The Ron Paul Mystique


Read Here (http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary48.htm)


Who won the Iowa debate? POLL here from Drudge report.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=107457

ABC messes up actual votes...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/050807_b_reset.htm

http://www.drudgereport.com/

redrat11
08-06-2007, 07:55 PM
Internet in Peril.....


Click Here (http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/060807_b_Paul.htm)

redrat11
08-07-2007, 07:59 PM
Alex Jones Top 10 List...



Top 10 Click Here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/070807_timeline_to_tyranny.htm)

Barbara
08-11-2007, 03:25 AM
Ron Paul on "Letters of Marque and Reprisal"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSP9NteApqI&NR=1

BlueAngel
08-11-2007, 04:06 PM
In response to a comment posted on Henry's page:

If Ron Paul does not present a danger to the powers that be and Kucinich does, therefore, the reason he doesn't receive media attention, I can only say that Kucinich's remark about how we should forgive the President for his blunders, didn't sit well with me.

They weren't blunders. They were intentional.

redrat11
08-11-2007, 06:29 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
In response to a comment posted on Henry's page:

If Ron Paul does not present a danger to the powers that be and Kucinich does, therefore, the reason he doesn't receive media attention, I can only say that Kucinich's remark about how we should forgive the President for his blunders, didn't sit well with me.

They weren't blunders. They were intentional.

What the heck are you talking about????




Anyway, the "IOWA STRAW POLL" whatever that is, I guess is a big deal, R. Paul should win handily, however the (MSM) media is on a pit-bull attack on R. Paul lately, they will screw with the actual real tally again to confuse the idiots in the Republican party.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

it should be out soon, the IOWA STRAW POLL.

redrat11
08-11-2007, 07:57 PM
Look Here...

Somewhere in this forum, I told you people that R. Paul would face "difficulties" I can only pray that GOD of the Christian Faith bring us hope for America, otherwise we are doomed!! take that to the BANK!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/11/ron-pauls-wife-hospitialized-in-iowa/

BlueAngel
08-11-2007, 08:28 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Look Here...

Somewhere in this forum, I told you people that R. Paul would face "difficulties" I can only pray that GOD of the Christian Faith bring us hope for America, otherwise we are doomed!! take that to the BANK!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/11/ron-pauls-wife-hospitialized-in-iowa/

So, you think THEY caused Mrs. Paul's irregular heartbeat and, because of this WE ARE DOOMED??

How did they cause her irregular heartbeat?

YOU BELIEVE MRS. PAUL'S HEALTH ISSUE IS THE FAULT OF THE "YOU PEOPLE" WHOM YOU TOLD ON THIS FORUM THAT RON PAUL WOULD FACE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE YOU WARNED THE 'YOU PEOPLE' AND, WHAT? THEY DIDN'T INSIST THAT RON PAUL STOP HIS CAMPAIGN?

Who are these YOU PEOPLE YOU refer to?

DID YOU KNOW RON PAUL WOULD FACE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE REMOTE VIEWING CAPABILITIES?

You need a reality check, RedRat!

YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

Funny, I used those words on the "mind control within the music industry thread."

I have exemplary memory!

WE'RE DOOMED WITH OUR WITHOUT RON PAUL.

WERE YOU BANKING ON HIM TO SAVE THE WORLD?

Why didn't you warn him instead of the YOU PEOPLE on Club Conspiracy? Seems that would have been more effective.

You could have told the Congressman, as if he doesn't already know about the danger, that his wife would suffer an irregular heartbeat.

redrat11
08-11-2007, 09:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Look Here...

Somewhere in this forum, I told you people that R. Paul would face "difficulties" I can only pray that GOD of the Christian Faith bring us hope for America, otherwise we are doomed!! take that to the BANK!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/11/ron-pauls-wife-hospitialized-in-iowa/

So, you think THEY caused Mrs. Paul's irregular heartbeat and, because of this WE ARE DOOMED??

How did they cause her irregular heartbeat?

YOU BELIEVE MRS. PAUL'S HEALTH ISSUE IS THE FAULT OF THE "YOU PEOPLE" WHOM YOU TOLD ON THIS FORUM THAT RON PAUL WOULD FACE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE YOU WARNED THE 'YOU PEOPLE' AND, WHAT? THEY DIDN'T INSIST THAT RON PAUL STOP HIS CAMPAIGN?

Who are these YOU PEOPLE YOU refer to?

DID YOU KNOW RON PAUL WOULD FACE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE REMOTE VIEWING CAPABILITIES?

You need a reality check, RedRat!

YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

Funny, I used those words on the "mind control within the music industry thread."

I have exemplary memory!

WE'RE DOOMED WITH OUR WITHOUT RON PAUL.

WERE YOU BANKING ON HIM TO SAVE THE WORLD?

Why didn't you warn him instead of the YOU PEOPLE on Club Conspiracy? Seems that would have been more effective.

You could have told the Congressman, as if he doesn't already know about the danger, that his wife would suffer an irregular heartbeat.

what makes you think I Did'nt, 'lady', pard my languauge, do you people really think you rule the world? answer the question!

BlueAngel
08-12-2007, 04:58 AM
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
46 minutes ago
August 12, 2007

AMES, Iowa - Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won an easy and expected victory in a high-profile Iowa Republican Party Straw Poll on Saturday, claiming nearly twice as many votes as his nearest rival.

Romney had been expected to win the test because he spent millions of dollars and months of effort on an event that was skipped by two of his major rivals.

Romney scored 4,516 votes, or 31.5 percent, to outpace former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee who had 2,587 votes, or 18.1 percent. Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback was third with 2,192 votes, 15.3 percent.

Announcement of the results was delayed for 90 minutes because a hand count was required on one of the 18 machines.

The biggest loser of the evening likely was former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson, who finished in 6th place with 1,039 votes. He had said repeatedly that if he didn't finish in the top two his campaign was likely to end. He left the event before the results were announced.

In Milwaukee, his campaign said Thompson would make an announcement about his future within 48 hours.

The missing big names got only a handful of votes.

Former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee got 203 votes. He was on the ballot, although not an officially declared candidate.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 183 votes and Sen. John McCain of Arizona got 101.

Romney was quick to claim the prize he had spent so much effort to win.

"The people of this great state have sent a message to the rest of the country," said Romney. "Change starts in Iowa."

Huckabee said his showing was impressive because he had little money to spend.

"You have taken a minimum amount of resources and made a maximum amount of gain," Huckabee told backers.

Brownback and Huckabee had waged a fierce competition for the loyalty of influential social and religious conservatives, and Huckabee's showing gave him new credibility.

Brownback put the best face on his showing.

"I think this is a ticket forward for us," said Brownback. "It was pretty close. We were both right in there together."

Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo has made illegal immigration his signature issue, and scored a fourth place showing with 1,961 voltes, while Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who has developed an Internet-driven following, came in fifth with 1,305 votes.

Filling out the field, Rep. Duncan Hunter got 174 votes, while Chicago businessman John Cox got 41 votes.

"Activists turned out in great numbers to support their candidate despite a heat index exceeding 100 degrees," said Republican Party of Iowa Chairman Ray Hoffmann.

In all, there were 14,302 ballots cast, nearly 10,000 fewer than when a similar straw poll was held in 1999. Then-Gov. George Bush won that straw poll with roughly 7,400 votes, and went on to win the caucuses and the White House.

State Republican officials had predicted as many as 40,000 activists would attend the event, but said 33,000 eventually showed up. Many of those were from out of the state and not eligible to vote in the straw poll.

Although some candidates paid for chartered buses to get hoped-for supporters to the event, and often covered their $35 ticket cost, they had no way of knowing how they would vote in the secret ballot process.

Supporters of Paul had sought to block voting, arguing that vote-counting machines had fundamental weaknesses, but a federal judge refused to grant an injunction on Friday. The matter was appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, which on Saturday upheld the ruling, said Matt McDermott, attorney for the Republican Party of Iowa.

The grounds around Iowa State University's basketball arena took on a carnival atmosphere on the steamy day as candidates erected huge air-conditioned tents where they courted activists with food, prizes and plenty of rhetoric.

The National Rifle Association, anti-abortion groups and other organizations also were on hand to capture a slice of the spotlight.

Candidates consider the straw poll a vital chance to demonstrate support that could help them this winter when Iowans hold precinct caucuses, an event that also puts a premium on a campaign's organizational skills and leads off the presidential nominating process.

For some candidates, a poor showing could prompt them to drop out of the race.

The scale of the spectacle was so immense — event organizers planned for the arrival of 375 buses — that even Iowa Democratic Chairman Scott Brennan decided to take a look. State Democrats don't hold anything similar, arguing the event is more about raising money than selecting candidates.

McCain and Giuliani opted to skip the event, but their names were on the ballot.

McCain, campaigning in Milton, N.H., called the straw poll "a great way to raise money for the Iowa Republican Party" and said he doesn't criticize it.

"But I think I can do my campaign and me personally better by being here in New Hampshire, talking to people, having the town hall meetings, and responding to their questions and concerns," he said.

Voting security was tight. Before voting, activists had to show ID and tickets, both of which were scanned to ensure they hadn't been used before. Stealing a page from the Iraqis, those casting ballots dipped their thumbs in purplish indelible ink to make sure they couldn't vote again.

Barbara
08-12-2007, 11:16 AM
http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2007/08/media-disenfranchising-of-ron-paul.html


Scroll down to the video screen and listen to the crowd's response as the results are read.

redrat11
08-12-2007, 01:38 PM
Barbara wrote:
http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2007/08/media-disenfranchising-of-ron-paul.html


Scroll down to the video screen and listen to the crowd's response as the results are read.

there was no unusual response from the crowd, R. Paul was cheated out of a victory by the Republican party of IOWA.

Barbara
08-13-2007, 12:23 PM
BradBlog
26,000 total Tickets sold - 14,302 votes tabulated
Sun Aug 12, 2007 01:30
72.201.70.108

According to DerekLarsson over at BradBlog,

There were 26,000 total Tickets sold for this event, yet there were only just 14,302 votes tabulated.

Now think about that for a minute.
26,000 people purchase tickets to go to a Straw Poll event, and yet we are to believe that 12,000 of those people couldn’t even care less about the voting part? Just what were they there for?

I don't buy it. This is not believable.
An Investigation is needed here.

I think what happened is that the Diebold E-Voting machines threw away votes --- as we also saw last year with the 2006 Florida-13 race and the NC-08 race (hurting the more liberal candidate in each race) --
And, these machines most likely threw away the votes that were intended for only the anti-Iraq, anti-War, anti-Central-Bank-monopoly, anti-Patriot-Act, anti-Empire candidate in the race, Ron Paul.

We all know that Ron Paul had a huge very visible and very vocal crowd of supporters there at the event, that were perhaps equal in number to, or at least in the same ballpark as Mitt Romney.

So, if, for example, the machine only registered 1 out of every 4 Ron Paul votes --- for Ron Paul himself --- and then threw the rest out, that would explain his much lighter than expected 1,300 vote total, and also explain some of the huge gap between ticket buyers (26,000) and the total people recognized as having voted (14,000) in the event.

Of course, it could even be worse than this (even more Ron Paul voters votes thrown away), thus robbing Paul of an outright victory in the Straw Poll.

I cannot prove that this specifically is what happened. But the point is that, without an open, transparent, inspectible, verifiable (in real-time) voting environment, which is a requirement for any Democracy, we will never know here.

I know this, 26,000 get tickets to an voting event, and only 14,302 bother to vote-?? That dog don't hunt!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4946#comment-248645

Barbara
08-13-2007, 01:05 PM
John Ray
Ron Paul, Iowa and the Presidency
Sun Aug 12, 2007 01:24
72.201.70.108

Ron Paul, Iowa and the Presidency
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-kwiatkowski/ron-paul-iowa-and-the-pr_b_60048.html

Posted August 11, 2007 | 02:30 PM (EST)

A lot of people are frightened of Dr. Ron Paul's possible presidency. They're scared to talk about it, to consider it, or recognize its possibility. Like so many frightened people, they are putting their heads in the sand, and hoping it will all just go away.

Give us a snarky political professional like Guiliani or Clinton, or a nicely coiffed white family man like Romney or Edwards. Give us a nice neoconservative grandpa like Fred Thompson, or a grouchy neoconservative grandpa like McCain. Give us an Obama -- for a change of pace in everything but currently established domestic and foreign policies.

But by golly, don't dare threaten the establishment with Jeffersonian democratic vision and Washingtonian non-interventionism. Don't boldly challenge the NYC/DC axis of politics with sheer constitutionalism. Better yet, don't remind us that the American president is not the commander-in-chief of everybody but a narrowly defined and legally constrained institution that is only equal -- and certainly subject -- to our judicial and legislative bodies.

Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates who seem to understand this. They are also the only candidates who will quickly, if not immediately, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Wait a sec -- I mean end it peacefully. Ultimately, Iraqis and their supporters around the world will bring down the American occupation -- but they will do so limb by limb, heart by heart, and soul by soul. They will kill thousands of us and themselves before it reaches that inevitable point of non-occupation and honest political independence. Only Paul and two underfunded Democratic contenders offer wisdom to Americans across the nation who are hungry for wisdom, at least in foreign policy.

However -- it is in domestic policy where Ron Paul completes the package. Unlike the democratic longshots, and the candidacy of GuiliClintoRomnObamThomEdwaCain, Ron Paul is about real freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to live, freedom to decide for ourselves. He offers freedom from excessive government mandates, excessive rules and regulations, excessive confiscation of our life and property. In this, Paul is the only real conservative in the group, and yes, perhaps the only radical.

Social planners of all sorts -- some more Marxist in orientation, others more nationalist -- present themselves as the American presidential front runners. The media focuses cameras on their faces, murmurs over their every word, and wonders if America and the world will really like them as Most Supreme Leader of the World.

Ron Paul, humbly and simply, honors the Constitution -- and perhaps this makes him boring to mainstream media. When asked recently how he would use the great power of the executive office, circa 2009, Paul indicated he'd use his power to restrain the natural temptation to abuse that mostly unconstitutional concentration of power. He'd then work to restore a constitutionally established presidency -- in part by revoking the many executive orders to which we have all become inured.

Ron Paul may not excite the mainstream press, establishment policy cheerleaders, big investors in government programs, or the military-industrial complex. But Ron Paul really excites a whole heck of a lot of regular people -- and puts the scare in the rest of them.

Ron's latest odds in the Iowa Straw poll are 8 to 1 -- and the big Republican candidates who represent all-spending, all-war, all-the-time are worried. So worried, many of them aren't even coming to Iowa.

Those who wish to discredit Ron Paul as a viable candidate don't point out his popularity among traditional Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They don't point out that his "Don't Tread on Me" libertarian streak is shared by half the adults in this country, and three quarters of the teenagers. They ignore his grass roots support, the money and the passion that flows steadily into his campaign.

The Republican Party, its Democratic emulators, and mainstream media are living dinosaurs. All refuse to pull their heads out of the sand and face the issues that really touch Americans, and to deliver what Americans really want for themselves, their families and their government. And unlike in previous elections, nobody in American really, truly, cares what mainstream media thinks. It's not that Katie Couric and her ilk aren't nice people. It's just that times have changed.

These dinosaurs -- and the theropods that report the news -- are increasingly irrelevant. I believe that the other contenders for the Presidency will soon begin to adopt Paul's message and attempt to promote his agenda of freedom and peace, or they will become politically extinct. As a peace and freedom-loving American, I can't wait.

--------------------------

Ron Paul Youtube video's....
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1CD1847BCC833C06

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New York Times, United States - 5 hours ago
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Barbara
08-13-2007, 02:18 PM
Some people would rather climb a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth!


http://www.ron-paul-business-directory.com/ron-paul-business-directory-blog.html



Dallas News Lies About Size of Ron Paul Audience at Straw Pole.

(Says only 20 people were there!! This lying idiot must have been in the bathroom when he was doing his counting! It's obvious he ran out of fingers and toes.)

2 Videos with Ron's great speech and many good links at the bottom of the article.

redrat11
08-13-2007, 08:58 PM
Im going to make a prediction here, The American people need to wake up, and fast, I have a suspicion that R. Paul is going to amass a huge following both here and around the world, everyone knows that He may be the last chance for retaking our country back, however my fear is the PTB will "use the Iran crisis" to launch a 3rd world war, this in order to SQUASH any chance of a Ron Paul victory, I'm telling you people right now that a HUGE INTERNET BASE of support is in Ron Pauls camp, the PTB know this, by next summer I bet there are tens of millions of supporters for him, GOD PROTECT RON PAUL, everyone should pray for his safety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIm8qsJupY&mode=related&search=

BlueAngel
08-13-2007, 09:03 PM
Not everyone knows this or believes it.

A third world war would squash any chance of a victory for Ron Paul?

Why not for the other candidates?

redrat11
08-13-2007, 09:28 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Not everyone knows this or believes it.

A third world war would squash any chance of a victory for Ron Paul?

Why not for the other candidates?

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that opposes any intervention in Iran, All the other candidates are in the Jews pocket book, even Barrack Obama, they have secretly conspired to support a another war in Iran, I'm sure you've read that there is'nt a dime worth of differnce in the Repubs and Democrats, Ron Paul also supports withdraw from Iraq, this mess G. W. Bush has supported in Iraq, is a complete and utter disaster for the U.S. military, now I'm going to tell you something you might not want to hear, And if you have family members serving overseas or In Iraq, I can only pray that this scenario does'nt play out, the current 160,000 or so soldiers in Iraq WILL NEVER COME HOME, the plot is for the U.S. to attack Iran, (this after a magor disaster somewhere in America) this scenario will lead to WW3, and the purpose is for the American Military to be destroyed abroud, this has been evident by the Bush Administration, all signs are there, the Martial Law, the wars and deaths, the bankruptcy, and not to mention a possible nuclear attack somewhere, I believe that the RULERS have decide to END America forever, things are going to get quite scary from now on. personally I'm going to pray like never before for my families safety as well as mine. :-(


http://judicial-inc.biz/8_12_israel_has_begun_targeted_execut.htm

BlueAngel
08-13-2007, 10:15 PM
It's obvious that the US plot is for the US military to strike Iran.

It's also obvious that most politicans belong to THEM, whether democrat or republican.

However, as far as RON PAUL being elected, it won't happen because he opposes an IRAN intervention.

It won't happen, because ALL PRESIDENTIAL elections are fixed so that the powers that be employ one of their puppets.

PERIOD!!

BlueAngel
08-13-2007, 10:23 PM
You're indicating that an invasion of Iran will occur before the Presidential elections and, therefore, this will squash Ron Paul's chance of the Presidency because he opposes same.

If the invasion of Iran occurs before the Presidential election, Ron Paul presents no problem in this regard. It will be said and done.

However, as I've said, ALL ELECTIONS ARE FIXED. They employ one of their puppets.

If Ron Paul is not a puppet, he will not be elected.

If he is a puppet, he has a chance just like the rest of them.

If he is elected and not a puppet, doesn't matter. The powers that be don't allow anyone to interfere with their plans.

JFK!

BlueAngel
08-13-2007, 10:28 PM
The 160,000 will come home.

Barbara
08-14-2007, 03:11 AM
RR11, the conclusion you have drawn in one of your last posts, I fear, paints a likely scenario. I have the distinct feeling that we are living on borrowed time.

Consider the fact that several large weapons deals were just concluded with 3 or more ME countries, besides Israel; the US has a habit of arming it's future enemies like Iraq, Iran, the old Soviet Union, China, etc., not to mention that Pakistan, a nuclear power, is in turmoil and being goaded by the US to attack some of it's own regions while it's leader fights for his political life.

With an optimum 160,000 troops in Iraq at the present and not much likelihood of having more to send in, the fools on the Potomac may have decided that the time is "now or never" for attacking Iran and keeping the promises that Bush made that got him into office and kept him there for two terms through election fraud.

After all, what has Bush to lose? There is no likelihood that he, Cheney or any of the neocons will ever be brought up on charges for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The US "owns"/controls the World Court and the UN through the financing of both. Don't look at the posturing, look at the bottom line.

Worldwide, the US is second only to Israel as the most hated country on the face of the earth. With the financial downfall of the US virtually assured, (check out the post re: US and the Roman Empire) there will be major financial ruin spread virtually around the world. It will be perceived, and rightly so, that the fault lies at the US's doorstep because of the irresponsible domestic fiscal policies and warmongering foreign policy.

Much of the weaponry of the US (tanks, hummers, helicopters, troop carriers, etc.) lies destroyed and rusting all around Iraq. There are a few lifelines that feed, literally, Baghdad and the other outlying pockets of troops, all of which are vulnerable to being cut off, both by land and air.

With the stupid Congress "bearding the lion," China, (Maxine Waters, et.al.) all it would take is for China to say "enough" and stop lending us over a billion dollars a day to allow us to keep up the insanity both here at home and abroad. If they should start dumping their worthless US paper holdings, the game is over - no choice but to get out of Iraq while there is still money enough to fly the planes.

It is mind-bending to try to imagine a more compromised and vulnerable situation, both for the troops and this country as well. No wonder some of those close to the "Smirking Chimp" are getting out while the getting is good.

In the face of our situation as it is, it's unbelievable to think that Bush could even be thinking of attacking another country, but he is and probably will. Such is the insanity of our time.

People have asked, in retrospect, why someone didn't stop Hitler at some point before Germany was so totally decimated. That same question will be asked regarding Bush and Cheney, two heads of the same beast. Where Bush is concerned, we have no excuse; at least Hitler took a war-ravaged Germany and put it back on it's feet and gave it back it's national pride. What has Bush done for us besides thousands of our own citizens dead and millions of Iraqis, not to mention destroying our national pride for generations to come?

You might want to think on that.

Barbara
08-14-2007, 11:37 PM
RON PAUL WON The Iowa
Straw Poll With 37.01%?
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=112886;title=AP FN
8-15-7


The Tyrants Are Planning On Stealing the 2008 Election - Wake Up US

Ron Paul: Insider on Ames, IA Straw Poll Voting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyrcrVGL4o

bbruhwiler8
http://www.youtube.com/user/bbruhwiler8

Official Exit Poll Results -- Iowa Straw Poll

Ron Paul______37.01%
M Huckabee___20.85%
T Tancredo____16.72%
Mitt Romney___10.03%
S Brownback___06.91%
T Thompson____04.35%
D Hunter_______01.34%
F Thompson____00.89%
Rudy Giuliani___00.67%
John McCain____00.56%
John Cox_______00.45%

Ron Paul actually won the Iowa Straw Poll by a large margin. They used Diebold machines to count the votes. Election fraud must be stopped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyrcrVGL4o#GU5U2spHI_4


REMEMBER:

It's not who votes that counts,
it's who counts the votes.

redrat11
08-16-2007, 10:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgzfu_b6v44


Who would be Vice-President? definatley not Kucenich.


Notice Here...


DBS website continues to label R. Paul a ZIONIST STOOGE, scroll down to the left of page. 2 scathing critiques of R. Paul.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/index.html

Who is real, and who is fake?

Supposedly he makes the "Horned Devil" salute like Bush does????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97wghBjEmNY


The Mud is Slinging........

Barbara
08-17-2007, 07:37 AM
Word of advice, RR11, WATCH THE THUMB!
The difference between the satanic "devil's horns" and "I Love You" is the THUMB.

Ron has been photographed many times flashing the "I Love You" to his supporters. It goes with the way the word REVOLUTION is used in his banners.

If those folks over at the website you referenced are going to be the witness, the first thing they need is a good pair of glasses.

As to Ron Paul being a Zionist stooge, words are cheap. Where's the proof?

How many free (or otherwise) trips has Ron Paul taken to Israel in his 20+ years in government?

ANSWER: None, zero, zip, zilch, nada

Part of his earning the title of "Dr. No" is his refusal to bow to pressure from lobbys, including AIPAC, when it comes time to vote on bills.

What a wonderful reputation to have all over Capital Hill to have it said of you that lobbyist don't even bother to come knocking on your door.

There will always be mud-slingers, it is a cheap form of entertainment for the intellectually impaired - mouth in gear, brain in neutral.

The proof is whether or not the mud sticks to the candidate and in the case of Ron Paul, both he and his record are spotless. If the PTB can't smear him, I'm not worried about the mud-slingers on some obscure little website.

BlueAngel
08-17-2007, 08:29 AM
We'll have to see a comparison between what Ron Paul flashed and what the other "satanic" politicians flash.

We will need a still photo of Ron Paul from the link RedRat provided with him flashing the "I Love You" symbol and a still photo of Bush, Blair, etc., flashing the "devil's horns."

In this way, we will be able to WATCH THE THUMB.

Anyone care to oblige?

Barbara
08-19-2007, 12:54 AM
August 18, 2007
Ron Paul Also Wins Big in New Hampshire

Ron Paul won big earlier today in Alabama. He also won big in New Hampshire this afternoon.

Dr. Paul received 208 votes (73%) for a landslide victory against Mitt Romney today at the Strafford County, New Hampshire straw poll. Romney received 26 votes. Mike Huckabee came in third with 20 votes.

Tancredo (8 votes), McCain (7 votes), Cox (5 votes), Hunter (5 votes), Thompson (5 votes), Giuliani (3 votes) and Brownback (1 vote) finished the field.

As noted earlier, Ron Paul received 216 votes for a commanding first-place finish in a straw poll today sponsored by the West Alabama Republican Assembly. Mitt Romney came in second with 14 votes.

The poll was open to Alabama residents.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 12:56 AM
Until proven otherwise, Ron Paul flashed the "devil's horns," which is a sign that he is a part of the "satanic cult."

Barbara
08-19-2007, 01:15 AM
Scroll up and look again at the exit poll taken in Iowa; the exit poll data shows graphically how Diebold gave us 8 years of Dubya and robbed Ron Paul of the Iowa victory.

The thing is, the Republicans were dumb and clumsy in the way that they skewed the results, that's chutzpa for you.

Somewhere along the way they just tossed a ton of votes, too. I would hope that Iowa Repubs are ashamed of their party's shenanigans.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Until proven otherwise, Ron Paul flashed the "devil's horns," which is a sign that he is a part of the "satanic cult."

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:20 AM
Barbara said:

"I would hope that Iowa Repubs are ashamed of their party's shenanigans."

I wouldn't hold my breathe if I were you.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:22 AM
Ron Paul flashed the sign of the "devil's horns," and until YOU, Barbara, prove otherwise, he is a part of the "satanic cult" and continuing to promote him here is useless.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:25 AM
There is no point in continuing to campaign on this site for Ron Paul.

He clearly flashed the sign of the "devil's horns" and until YOU, Barbara, prove that this is an "I Love You" sign, Ron Paul will be considered to be a part of the "satanic cult."

The ball is NOW in your court!

Barbara
08-19-2007, 01:45 AM
Small minds in action near the end of the video!!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014781.html

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:49 AM
You once commented, sh*it or get off the pot," Barbara.

Now, the same is requested of you.

There is a youtube video of Ron Paul flashing the devil's horns, which is a sign that he is a member of the "satanic cult."

If you knew anything about politics, you would know that THEY are all bought and paid for. They are all groomed. That the taxpayer's are provided with a slate of politicians who belong to THEM and that our VOTES do not count.

All elections are fixed.

This site is not dedicated to the endorsement of Ron Paul, particularly if he flashes the sign of the "devil's horns" and promotes legislation that grants BUSH powers that infringe upon the freedoms of Americans.

I request again that you sh*t or get off the pot.

Ron Paul clearly flashed the sign of the "devil's horns."

Either provide evidence otherwise or take your campaigning elsewhere.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97wghBjEmNY

This is not an "I Love You" sign to his supporters.

It is the "horned devil's sign" to his OWNERS.

Now, Barbara, prove me wrong.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 01:57 AM
Barbara wrote:
Small minds in action near the end of the video!!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014781.html

Oh, that surely rebukes Ron Paul flashing the "devil's horns."

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:00 AM
Again, Barabara.

Ron Paul flashed the sign of the "devil's horns" which signifies he is a part of the "satanic cult."

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:01 AM
Give it up, Barbara.

Ron Paul is bought and paid for!

He should have kept his hand in his pocket.

Barbara
08-19-2007, 02:03 AM
Don't you just love "blowback?"

http://rattube.com/blog1/2007/08/17/mark-levinabc-disney-blowback-day/

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:04 AM
Ron Paul is your choice for Presidential canidacy, Barbara.

It does not reflect the opinion of this forum/website.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:08 AM
Apparently Barbara cannot rebuke the fact the Dr. Ron Paul is a part of the "satanic cult."

As if he would be nominated anyway.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:09 AM
No, actually, I don't love blowback, Barbara, but I assume you do.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 02:13 AM
Okay, folks, one of Dr. Paul's staunch supporters on this website, Barbara, has been provided with an opportunity to rebuke the fact that he flashed the sign of the "devil's horns" and is a part of the satanic cult, but she has made no attempt whatsoever in this regard.

What does that lead us to believe?

What we thought.

Dr. Ron Paul is a part of the "satanic cult."

But, we already knew this.

Aren't they all?

Barbara
08-19-2007, 02:26 AM
Ron Paul, Iowa and the Presidency


A lot of people are frightened of Dr. Ron Paul’s possible presidency. They’re scared to talk about it, to consider it, or recognize its possibility. Like so many frightened people, they are putting their heads in the sand, and hoping it will all just go away.

Give us a snarky political professional like Guiliani or Clinton, or a nicely coiffed white family man like Romney or Edwards. Give us a nice neoconservative grandpa like Fred Thompson, or a grouchy neoconservative grandpa like McCain. Give us an Obama — for a change of pace in everything but currently established domestic and foreign policies.

But by golly, don’t dare threaten the establishment with Jeffersonian democratic vision and Washingtonian non-interventionism…

Don’t boldly challenge the NYC/DC axis of politics with sheer constitutionalism. Better yet, don’t remind us that the American president is not the commander-in-chief of everybody but a narrowly defined and legally constrained institution that is only equal — and certainly subject — to our judicial and legislative bodies.

Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates who seem to understand this. They are also the only candidates who will quickly, if not immediately, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Wait a sec — I mean end it peacefully. Ultimately, Iraqis and their supporters around the world will bring down the American occupation — but they will do so limb by limb, heart by heart, and soul by soul. They will kill thousands of us and themselves before it reaches that inevitable point of non-occupation and honest political independence. Only Paul and two underfunded Democratic contenders offer wisdom to Americans across the nation who are hungry for wisdom, at least in foreign policy.

However — it is in domestic policy where Ron Paul completes the package. Unlike the democratic longshots, and the candidacy of GuiliClintoRomnObamThomEdwaCain, Ron Paul is about real freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to live, freedom to decide for ourselves. He offers freedom from excessive government mandates, excessive rules and regulations, excessive confiscation of our life and property. In this, Paul is the only real conservative in the group, and yes, perhaps the only radical.

Social planners of all sorts — some more Marxist in orientation, others more nationalist — present themselves as the American presidential front runners. The media focuses cameras on their faces, murmurs over their every word, and wonders if America and the world will really like them as Most Supreme Leader of the World.

Ron Paul, humbly and simply, honors the Constitution — and perhaps this makes him boring to mainstream media. When asked recently how he would use the great power of the executive office, circa 2009, Paul indicated he’d use his power to restrain the natural temptation to abuse that mostly unconstitutional concentration of power. He’d then work to restore a constitutionally established presidency — in part by revoking the many executive orders to which we have all become inured.

Ron Paul may not excite the mainstream press, establishment policy cheerleaders, big investors in government programs, or the military-industrial complex. But Ron Paul really excites a whole heck of a lot of regular people — and puts the scare in the rest of them.

Ron’s latest odds in the Iowa Straw poll are 8 to 1 — and the big Republican candidates who represent all-spending, all-war, all-the-time are worried. So worried, many of them aren’t even coming to Iowa.

Those who wish to discredit Ron Paul as a viable candidate don’t point out his popularity among traditional Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They don’t point out that his “Don’t Tread on Me” libertarian streak is shared by half the adults in this country, and three quarters of the teenagers. They ignore his grass roots support, the money and the passion that flows steadily into his campaign.

The Republican Party, its Democratic emulators, and mainstream media are living dinosaurs. All refuse to pull their heads out of the sand and face the issues that really touch Americans, and to deliver what Americans really want for themselves, their families and their government. And unlike in previous elections, nobody in American really, truly, cares what mainstream media thinks. It’s not that Katie Couric and her ilk aren’t nice people. It’s just that times have changed.

These dinosaurs — and the theropods that report the news — are increasingly irrelevant. I believe that the other contenders for the Presidency will soon begin to adopt Paul’s message and attempt to promote his agenda of freedom and peace, or they will become politically extinct. As a peace and freedom-loving American, I can’t wait.

redrat11
08-19-2007, 02:33 AM
Barbara wrote:
Ron Paul, Iowa and the Presidency


A lot of people are frightened of Dr. Ron Paul’s possible presidency. They’re scared to talk about it, to consider it, or recognize its possibility. Like so many frightened people, they are putting their heads in the sand, and hoping it will all just go away.

Give us a snarky political professional like Guiliani or Clinton, or a nicely coiffed white family man like Romney or Edwards. Give us a nice neoconservative grandpa like Fred Thompson, or a grouchy neoconservative grandpa like McCain. Give us an Obama — for a change of pace in everything but currently established domestic and foreign policies.

But by golly, don’t dare threaten the establishment with Jeffersonian democratic vision and Washingtonian non-interventionism…

Don’t boldly challenge the NYC/DC axis of politics with sheer constitutionalism. Better yet, don’t remind us that the American president is not the commander-in-chief of everybody but a narrowly defined and legally constrained institution that is only equal — and certainly subject — to our judicial and legislative bodies.

Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates who seem to understand this. They are also the only candidates who will quickly, if not immediately, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Wait a sec — I mean end it peacefully. Ultimately, Iraqis and their supporters around the world will bring down the American occupation — but they will do so limb by limb, heart by heart, and soul by soul. They will kill thousands of us and themselves before it reaches that inevitable point of non-occupation and honest political independence. Only Paul and two underfunded Democratic contenders offer wisdom to Americans across the nation who are hungry for wisdom, at least in foreign policy.

However — it is in domestic policy where Ron Paul completes the package. Unlike the democratic longshots, and the candidacy of GuiliClintoRomnObamThomEdwaCain, Ron Paul is about real freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to live, freedom to decide for ourselves. He offers freedom from excessive government mandates, excessive rules and regulations, excessive confiscation of our life and property. In this, Paul is the only real conservative in the group, and yes, perhaps the only radical.

Social planners of all sorts — some more Marxist in orientation, others more nationalist — present themselves as the American presidential front runners. The media focuses cameras on their faces, murmurs over their every word, and wonders if America and the world will really like them as Most Supreme Leader of the World.

Ron Paul, humbly and simply, honors the Constitution — and perhaps this makes him boring to mainstream media. When asked recently how he would use the great power of the executive office, circa 2009, Paul indicated he’d use his power to restrain the natural temptation to abuse that mostly unconstitutional concentration of power. He’d then work to restore a constitutionally established presidency — in part by revoking the many executive orders to which we have all become inured.

Ron Paul may not excite the mainstream press, establishment policy cheerleaders, big investors in government programs, or the military-industrial complex. But Ron Paul really excites a whole heck of a lot of regular people — and puts the scare in the rest of them.

Ron’s latest odds in the Iowa Straw poll are 8 to 1 — and the big Republican candidates who represent all-spending, all-war, all-the-time are worried. So worried, many of them aren’t even coming to Iowa.

Those who wish to discredit Ron Paul as a viable candidate don’t point out his popularity among traditional Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They don’t point out that his “Don’t Tread on Me” libertarian streak is shared by half the adults in this country, and three quarters of the teenagers. They ignore his grass roots support, the money and the passion that flows steadily into his campaign.

The Republican Party, its Democratic emulators, and mainstream media are living dinosaurs. All refuse to pull their heads out of the sand and face the issues that really touch Americans, and to deliver what Americans really want for themselves, their families and their government. And unlike in previous elections, nobody in American really, truly, cares what mainstream media thinks. It’s not that Katie Couric and her ilk aren’t nice people. It’s just that times have changed.

These dinosaurs — and the theropods that report the news — are increasingly irrelevant. I believe that the other contenders for the Presidency will soon begin to adopt Paul’s message and attempt to promote his agenda of freedom and peace, or they will become politically extinct. As a peace and freedom-loving American, I can’t wait.


Extremely Excellent Barbara...

Barbara
08-19-2007, 02:45 AM
Thanks, RR11, may I say that you have very good taste!!
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This almost makes me wish I still lived in Texas but he will be here on the 24th.

Aug 26 Doyle Convention Center, Texas City, TX
Ron Paul's Texas Birthday Bar-B-Q Bash 1:00 PM CT

Aug 31 Renaissance Worthington Hotel Ballroom
Ron Paul Texas Pride Evening 8:30 PM - 12:00 AM CT

Sep 01 Fort Worth Convention Center, 1201 Houston Street, Fort Worth, TX
Texas Straw Poll 9:00 AM CT

redrat11
08-19-2007, 02:52 AM
Barbara wrote:
Thanks, RR11, may I say that you have very good taste!!
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This almost makes me wish I still lived in Texas but he will be here on the 24th.

Aug 26 Doyle Convention Center, Texas City, TX
Ron Paul's Texas Birthday Bar-B-Q Bash 1:00 PM CT

Aug 31 Renaissance Worthington Hotel Ballroom
Ron Paul Texas Pride Evening 8:30 PM - 12:00 AM CT

Sep 01 Fort Worth Convention Center, 1201 Houston Street, Fort Worth, TX
Texas Straw Poll 9:00 AM CT


YOU BET! Barb, can I COMMUNICATE WITH YOU PERSONALLY? I will send you my personal E-mail address only if you allow me. I have more to say...

Barbara
08-19-2007, 03:09 AM
Check your Inbox, my e-mail address is there. Otherwise, let me know if it didn't go through.

redrat11
08-19-2007, 03:35 AM
Barbara, I sent you my E-Mail, I hope it did.nt get trashed I want to meet you.

Barbara
08-19-2007, 07:53 AM
Establishment Vs
Grass Roots America
By Ted Lang
8-18-7


A problem is not solvable until its existence is recognized. And once recognized it requires an understanding as to its very nature, why it came into existence, what provides its sustaining power, and what its detrimental effect is in both the present and future. In short, a problem must be recognized for the ill effect it causes and brings about, and must be viewed with a resolve to either re-channel that which "feeds" it in order to facilitate correction or it must be starved completely of that which sustains it. Clearly, problem recognition is the first step to solution.

It should be clear to even moderately informed Americans that our nation and our society are experiencing a major problem, and that problem has been placed upon US via a totally unresponsive and Constitution-violating government. Our federal government now uses fear and intimidation to control US, fear and intimidation founded upon its total and totalitarian rejection of the formerly sustaining principles of individual citizen sovereignty and freedom. And since our government no longer operates within the limited confines of our nation's former rule of law, it is a lawless and illegitimate government.

Our government has neither the legal nor moral right to tell US what to do; nor is it in any way authorized regarding its intentions in committing US as a nation to a particular foreign policy or treaty. And any military action our government undertakes "on our behalf' is no longer supportable by any modicum of legitimacy. Considering further its constitutional illegitimacy, our government's confiscation of our wealth and/or property via taxation is nothing more than collective armed robbery, whether or not the 16th Amendment was ratified and whether or not the IRS is able to produce any statutory evidence authorizing its confiscatory power.

Our government uses fear and terror to justify its illegal, immoral and unconstitutional activities. Law based upon justice, as was the intent of our constitutionally created government, has been suspended and replaced by power, might and fear. And although the initiators of today's power and might originated it through abuse of the "executive branch," the Congress of the United States is totally complicit in the federal government's crimes against our people and its Constitution. And just as these two branches of our former republic are complicit, so too are the "two" political parties, Democrats and Republicans, which we have been brainwashed to accept.

It is of course assumed by every thinking American, including those in government, that such a problem and such a horror as our government has become simply cannot happen here. This is the problem of our collective denial as a people, the shock and awe of undeniable reality. But our denial is, nevertheless, a minor problem, even if a sustaining one constituting part of the support mechanism that feeds our criminal government.

But the primary source of support for our criminal government is the readily discernible and visible "establishment," which is protected by both the failure on the part of the masses to see its inner workings and also by our failure to comprehend the precise nature of its dominance. In fact, another dimension of public confusion regarding the dominating establishment is the unrecognized absurdity that suggests that elements within this controlling entity may actually compete or even oppose one another, which seemingly provides US further insurance against any collaborative effort that could endanger our personal freedoms.

America's controlling entity can indeed be identified as "the establishment." It has been identified also as our "shadow" government, even though this term is of lesser usage. It includes the "military-industrial complex," a term deserving of note as it was uttered by a retiring president in the same form of epiphany that caused US to consider another retiring president's "entangling alliances," and a retiring senator's warning concerning the "Israel lobby." What we have all come to understand is that these behind-the-scenes power brokers do indeed exist. And they exist to exert their will over US through our "own" government.

Depending upon isolated and momentary incidents of public focus on these separate entities of this controlling element of American society, its shadow government, or military-industrial complex, or Israel lobby, or corporate "special interest" or lobbying groups, it should be painfully clear that these powerful moneyed entities totally control American government. And it should be even clearer that this power and control has an exclusive advantage over US because our representatives in all branches and all levels of American government are for sale. Our politicians and their bureaucrats serve the highest bidder, and the public and its Constitution be damned.

This is the real core problem. Our form of government was once thought of as a "constitutionally limited republic," and not a democracy wherein 51 percent of the populace can subvert the individual rights and freedoms of a 49 percent minority. And a "minority" is not simply less than a majority; nor is it a specific group such as those of the same skin color, or gender, or race, or religion. A minority in the former American republic constituted only one individual, an individual whose God-given rights of life, liberty and property could not be taken away by any other, to include government "officials," bureaus, branches and offices. My how things have changed over the last few years.

It is "Establishment America" that has taken our God-given freedoms from US! And this powerful America-destroying operation has many organizational faces and identities, organizational differences once thought to serve as a diverse filter considered as such by James Madison in writing his Federalist Paper No. 10 concerning "factions." But Establishment America has a common objective, and that is the total usurpation of the American people's lives, liberty and property. They collaborate to consume it all for their own selfish gain. And those who shun Aesop's Fables, especially the one relating the tale of the Goose and its golden eggs, relegating them all as being archaic and devoid of any modern context, will soon realize both the accuracy of that particular fable's prescience as well as its applicability to our present situation.

Establishment America includes the so-called "American" press, also known as the corporate establishment mainstream mass media [MSM], which controls and revises our social mores via the artificial peer pressure of "political correctness." EA includes also the powerful Rothschild-Rockefeller international bankers who plan, execute, and profit enormously from the untold suffering, destruction and genocides they have created and continue to create in all the wars they have brought to Mankind over the 221 years our nation has progressed as a republic.

EA is also the military-industrial complex financed by those bankers that enjoys massive profits for themselves via the war materiel they manufacture and deploy. EA is the Israel lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee [AIPAC]. EA is also comprised of the huge corporations that profit unfairly by funding politicians and their bureaucrats to obtain advantage over competitors or those who invent and design alternatives threatening the monopolies enjoyed by the former. And last, Establishment America is our government, which is comprised of "our" bought-and-paid-for politicians and their appointed bureaucrats who serve as EA stooges looking out for their own interests while ignoring ours.

Our nation's number one problem is Establishment America. The only thing "American" about that term relates to its primary geographic base of operations. It certainly is not representative or identifiable in any way to anything even remotely resembling American traditions, customs, morality, philosophy or the basic human decency of the American people.

And the "separate" entities or faces of EA do not compete or stand up contrasting values to filter their interests thereby defeating factional control of our nation and society. It is indeed collaborative and centralized. Sadly, Madison was wrong and Machiavellian Alexander Hamilton was right! A central bank "Federal Reserve" controlled by the Rothschild-Rockefellers and a powerful central federal government were indeed in the young republic's future. And that future is here and now!

Establishment America totally controls how we work, play, pay, vote, think and see ourselves both individually and collectively as a people. They design our entertainment and provide our amusement. They legitimize themselves artificially through the supposed beneficence of government while they gradually steal our very lives, liberty and property. Yet even with all their collective power, their conspiratorial skills and arrangements, they are still vulnerable and can yet be defeated.

And how are we continually reminded of both their existence and their power? One man has done more than any other to shine the light of truth and reality on this dangerous, parasitic cabal of would-be global slave masters; and that man is Congressman and physician Ron Paul. If you were uncertain as to the existence of a conspiracy, if you too bought the curbstone elitist "thinker's" line of, "I don't believe in conspiracy theories," think NOW! Think now and observe reality!

BOTH Democrats and Republicans are terrified of Ron Paul. Virtually all network and cable TV and most radio talk shows are absolutely terrified of Ron Paul! And Dr. Paul receives neither funding nor communicative support from EA; his political and fiscal sustenance are strictly grass roots! His own Congress and his own GOP won't associate with him. In Iowa, the GOP tried to totally silence him. And in his home state of Texas, they tried to totally marginalize him by redistricting trickery. Why? Because he represents a real GRASS ROOTS threat to Establishment America, the shadow government that really controls US.

Establishment America's MSM is feverishly and ruthlessly suppressing his campaign; they will not allow Americans to take back their country. Is this the trait of a real America-first patriotic entity, or is this an element of our secret shadow government? And does Ron Paul support unconstitutional gun control, or the suppression of a free and independent press, or entangling alliances with Israel and Great Britain, or any foreign dictatorship that does our bidding? Where are the real conservatives in the GOP, talk radio, and the NRA who will stand up for Dr. Paul and help him in his cause to take America back from the Establishment? Real conservatives no longer exist in Bush's Amerika!

Just look at the wonderful line-up of candidates offered up by EA through their bankers' front offices:

http://www.thought-criminal.org/2007/08/15/cfr-stacks-the-deck-with-bot h-democrat-and-republican-presidential-candidates

CFR, Trilateral Commission, and their Bilderberg chapters and AIPAC. On the GOP side of the EA party, we have a predictable, phony, "Guy Smiley" Mitt Romney, and that great hero of New York's 9/11 caper, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. What precisely did he accomplish on that day excepting the "face time" he took advantage of? And of course, there's Senator John "Madman" McCain, a loony tune that couldn't keep his campaign people together and couldn't even manage a meager $24 million campaign fund for twelve months. But seeks to manage a horrifically GOP-damaged United States economy for the next four years! And as insurance against a GOP "loss" to Ron Paul, EA is now even throwing in former Senator and actor Fred Thompson in a transparent ploy to create yet another Ronald Reagan.

EA is totally dependent on both the American people's ignorance and stupidity, and that assessment will be proven right or wrong in the upcoming 2008 presidential election. As there isn't a dime's worth of difference between any of the twits on the GOP side, there certainly isn't a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. Republican voters should be angered by what GOP loony tunes Cheney and Bush have done to our country and our Constitution. And Democratic voters should be more than FED up with the flip-flop from Senator Hillary Clinton and the eternal war utopia being endlessly conjured up by Senator Barack Obama.

Just look at these sorry clowns and presidential wannabes! Democratic voters should reject their party's offering and remember how Pelosi and Reid have double-crossed them after the November 2006 elections. Democratic voters shouldn't get mad - they should get even and dump every elected one of their "representative" traitors. But who would they vote for in the GOP line-up? The same guy this angry former Republican will vote for: RON PAUL!

Let's join together and take America back from the EA and their phony Democrat and Republican Parties! And to do this, I will have to again change my voter registration card and list myself as a "Republican." This will be necessary to defeat Dr. Paul's "competition" in the GOP. I strongly urge BOTH Democrats and Republicans do this; Congressman Paul will first need grass roots victory in the primary elections!

And yes, the elections are indeed rigged by EA and their bought-and-paid-for Congress. Step one in getting Dr. Paul elected is to dump the GOP and the Democratic Congress' electronic vote-rigging system. Congressional Democrats are less than motivated to do away with this trickery and fraud against the American people because they now intend to use it to their advantage. And as the Cheney-Bush dictatorship attempts to recruit the clergy <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.ht m to assist them in launching the next 9/11 military drills that cause real casualties to justify martial law, we should ask our religious leaders as to what has happened to the political correctness of a separation of church and state?

As I have previously suggested, we the grass roots of America should design and launch an election system that WE THE PEOPLE control, and not EA! And I suggest that churches and synagogues across America join electoral hands across the country, taking advantage of the organizational structures of America's religions. "Secret ballots" will be the primary argument against this, but only elements of EA will see an absence or breakdown of ballot secrecy as a threat. And besides, where better to find morality, honesty and truth when comparing organized religion to the organized crime that is our government? Think of EA and its Fatherland Security! What ever happened to those high-fiving Mossad agents Mr. Chertoff?

If America hears physician and Congressman Ron Paul's message, he will be elected in a landslide. Republicans like me are FED up, and Democrats should be angry at their unrepresentative representatives. Both voter camps can make a difference that will allow US all to take America back from our enslaver-robbers! <<Theodore E. Lang

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Ted Lang ROCKS!!!

Barbara
08-19-2007, 08:37 AM
Ron Paul had it right about "blowback" from Iran and the taking of our hostages.

Great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE

redrat11
08-19-2007, 04:28 PM
Another Straw Poll Victory for R. Paul, he did win the IOWA poll also. the MEDIA has conspired against him, not to mention the Zionist stooges running the GOP nationally.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20070818/LATEST/70818015

redrat11
08-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Victory in New Hamshire as well, I can feel a REVOLUTION in this country if this keeps up.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/190807NH.htm


The magority of Americans are PISSED OFF at the powers that be! Ron Paul can take this country back from them, but only if WE HELP HIM. How much of his victories can the media hide?, absolutely nothing in the media about R. Pauls straw poll wins.

BlueAngel
08-19-2007, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange?

Ron Paul flashes the "horned devil" hand sign, an indication that he is a part of the "satanic cult," and, yet, Barbara and RedRat continue to promote him on a conspiracy forum that is dedicated to exposing this nefarious group.

In fact, Barbara said it was an "I love you" sign to his supporters.

This is something new, I suppose.

Barbara said to RedRat to watch the thumb and therein lies the difference between the "satanic cult" symbol of the devil horns and the "I love you" hand sign that Barbara says Ron Paul was signaling to his supporters.

I watched the video and saw no difference between Ron Paul's thumb and the thumb of all the other politically connected persons who flash the same symbol.

Therefore, it can be said that Ron Paul works for THEM.

Barbara
08-20-2007, 08:56 AM
Ron Paul Video: When in the course of human events

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ

Fantastic video!!

Barbara
08-20-2007, 11:00 AM
How Ron Paul as President Would Affect the US Dollar

By Jessica Hupp

Ron Paul has over the past few months emerged as the dark horse US Presidential candidate. With a small but growing cadre of devoted supporters, Paul is gaining political traction by campaigning on ideas about financial reform which would dramatically affect the global currency and forex markets.

A staunch supporter of lower taxes, a dramatically smaller government, and long-term conservative monetary policy, a Ron Paul presidency could mean big changes for the US Dollar and its relationship to other currencies. In this article we investigate the specific affects of a Ron Paul presidency on the US Dollar and on the global forex markets.
“The Coming Category 5 Financial Hurricane”

As a part of his belief in decreased government spending and entitlement, Ron Paul has openly criticized knee-jerk expenditures enabled by Congress. In a House floor response to Hurricane Katrina spending, Paul argues that Congress was too quick to throw money at the problem, not considering the affect that this action might have on government spending and thus, the value of the dollar.

Paul criticizes this kind of spending because it causes our budget, economy, and dollar value to suffer. Ron Paul points out that when the government spends money that we don’t have, we are forced to “debase” the dollar. This debasement happens in two ways. First, we have to borrow from foreign lenders, and second because we have to print more money to make up the difference. It’s a risky strategy that causes the dollar’s value to fall and creates an “inflation tax.” Paul’s concern is that “there is no guarantee that gracious foreign lenders will step forward, especially without raising interest rates.” However, it is worth noting that to-date, this has not proven to be a significant problem.

Dr. Paul proposes that instead of spending to such a degree that we are dependent on foreign backers to lend to the government, we should implement a system that relies on money that we have available. Under Paul’s system, “any new expenditures must have offsets greater in amount than the new programs” and that “the Federal Reserve must stop inflating the currency.” Given this platform, it is reasonable to expect that a Ron Paul Presidency would place a much greater emphasis on a balancing the budget, which could potentially stop the dollar’s fall.
War and Foreign Policy

Ron Paul wants to cut down on defense spending. He argues that the war in Iraq has been too costly, both in American lives and “hundreds of billions of dollars.” Paul believes that we should exercise caution when we give foreign aid, but at the same time be careful not to isolate ourselves. His foreign policy goal is to “have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.”

The implication of this foreign policy can affect the dollar in two ways. First, it would reduce government spending, assuming that the war funds currently being used aren’t just shifted elsewhere. A cut in government military spending of hundreds of billions of dollars would mean a more balanced budget which in turn would mean a more valuable Dollar in the forex markets. Second, a healthier foreign policy could improve economic relations with other countries and perhaps encourage more foreign investment and free trade agreements. These developments would improve the dollar’s value as demand for Dollar denominated goods increased.
Debt and Taxes

Paul, like many politicians running for office, is a fan of lower taxes. His strategy is to let Americans keep more of their money so that they’ll help improve the country’s finances. He believes that lowered taxes will result in positive changes for everyone, “allow[ing] more spending, saving and investing, which helps the economy.”

Lowered taxes for Americans affect the currency markets in a variety of ways. With increased money in their pockets, American entrepreneurs are likely to start more new companies and existing companies are more likely to launch bigger projects. This can increase demand for Dollar denominated goods, which puts upward pressure on the Dollar. With respect to forex markets in particular, increased money in the hands of Americans typically means more entrants into financial markets, which means that forex markets, along with other financial markets are likely to continue growing.
Smaller Government

So if Paul lowers taxes, the obvious question is, where are we going to get money for government spending? The answer is, we probably won’t need to scramble for money. It looks like Ron Paul isn’t interested in a high-cost government. He argues that entitlement programs are not where they need to be, pointing out that “if present trends continue, by 2040 the entire federal budget will be consumed by Social Security and Medicare alone.”

Paul challenges his colleagues to “rethink the very role of government in our society,” essentially implying that the government should stop spending so much money on entitlement programs. It’s likely that he’d cut completely or at a minimum dramatically weaken many government entitlement programs. He plans to cut welfare for illegal aliens, noting that “Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.”

Additionally, he wants to change Medicare, pointing out that the prescription drug plan is just not working. He argues that it’s the “biggest entitlement problem facing our nation,” resulting in a plan that “will actually harm many seniors by causing them to lose their private coverage, forcing them into an inferior government-run program.” Smaller government achieved by dramatically cutting social welfare programs and lowered defense spending is likely in the short term to increase unemployment and civil unrest. Initially, this might increase volatility in currency markets as investors are made uneasy by the change. In the longer term, however, a federal budget surplus should strengthen confidence in the Dollar..
Paper Money Problems

Ron Paul is highly critical of our current paper money system, arguing that it is “nothing short of counterfeiting” and promotes spending over saving. He supports the idea of a commodity-based money rather than our current fiat system. Paul condemns doing away with the gold standard and proposes that we get back to putting real value behind our dollars.

In a statement on monetary policy and the economy, Paul points out that the dollar’s value has fallen dramatically: “The dollar today is worth only four cents compared to the dollar in 1913, when the Federal Reserve started.” He’s concerned that we’re setting ourselves up for trouble because paper money can be rejected and is essentially without value.

Paul is also worried that a currency which is not backed by a commodity stands on very shaky ground, subject to inflation and military involvement. He remarks, “the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less.”

Paul purports that the real value behind our dollar is “the military might we enjoy,” and that creates a world in which other countries “have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare as today’s ‘gold.’” He further argues that this military-money system is the reason why we push regime change in countries like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela: because they have challenged the system. Paul supports “the economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency,” and wants to “return to a money of real value.”

The effects of what is perhaps Dr. Paul’s most novel policy on forex markets is complex. Reverting to a commodity-backed currency would, in the short term, require a massive revaluation of the US Dollar as the federal government began to amass enough gold to back the dollar. If this stockpiling was not handled properly it might lead to a run on the dollar which would cause a massive devaluation. Furthermore, the amount of gold necessary to fully back the US Dollar would likely put immense pressure on global gold supplies and thus might limit the ability of the US government to continue to print money at any level which would cause deflation. On the other hand, if an accumulation of gold sufficient to back the Dollar was carefully accomplished, it would over time lead to a far more stable currency as lenders would be assured that they can receive something of real value back for their dollar.
“Free Market Medicine”

Ron Paul, formerly a practicing OB-GYN, wants to dramatically change the US health care system. He supports a health care system without the middle man, free from HMO and government intervention. Paul argues that doctors and patients should have the ultimate authority on care. He aims to improve the care that Americans receive by “rethink[ing] the whole system of HMOs and managed care.”

In his essay on “free market medicine,” Paul lauds a rural Tennessee doctor who runs a cash practice. Paul points out that by eliminating insurance and bureaucracy, this doctor is able to lower his overhead and charge lower prices. He supports a policy to “unravel the HMO web rooted old laws, and change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.” He does not support the “collusion between organized medicine, politicians, and drug companies, in an effort to move America toward ‘free’ universal health care.” Rather, he proposes that we move back to a system that we had 40 years ago, when patients paid cash for ordinary services and had inexpensive catastrophic insurance for serious injuries or illnesses.”

Dr. Paul wants to lower the government’s role in health care so that medical care can be delivered in a free market and consumers can reap the benefits of the “competition and financial incentives” that keep costs down. The effect of this healthcare reform policy on currency markets is two-fold. One, lowered health care costs will allow consumers to keep more of their money and improve the dollar’s standing by making our economy more robust. Secondly, limited government intervention in health care will decrease the amount of money that the government must spend to support it. This will likely lead to a decrease in the national debt, and thus a rise in confidence in, and strength of, the Dollar.
Conclusion

In conclusion while a number of Ron Paul’s policies will have mixed effects on currency markets, on the whole, a Ron Paul presidency would probably lead to a stronger US Dollar.

BlueAngel
08-20-2007, 05:08 PM
Clinton flashing the "devil's horns."

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=9978&pst=693570&archival=1

BlueAngel
08-20-2007, 07:52 PM
Ron Paul flashing the "devil's horns."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97wghBjEmNY

Barbara
08-20-2007, 10:51 PM
I LOVE thst video, can't watch it enough!!!!

Word of advice, WATCH THE THUMB!
The difference between the satanic "devil's horns" and "I Love You" is the THUMB.

Ron has been photographed many times flashing the "I Love You" to his supporters. It goes with the way the word REVOLUTION is used in his banners.

If those folks over at the website you referenced are going to be the witness, the first thing they need is a good pair of glasses.

As to Ron Paul being a Zionist stooge, words are cheap. Where's the proof?

How many free (or otherwise) trips has Ron Paul taken to Israel in his 20+ years in government?

ANSWER: None, zero, zip, zilch, nada

Part of his earning the title of "Dr. No" is his refusal to bow to pressure from lobbies, including AIPAC, when it comes time to vote on bills.

What a wonderful reputation to have all over Capital Hill to have it said of you that lobbyist don't even bother to come knocking on your door.

There will always be mud-slingers, it is a cheap form of entertainment for the intellectually impaired - mouth in gear, brain in neutral.

The proof is whether or not the mud sticks to the candidate and in the case of Ron Paul, both he and his record are spotless. If the PTB can't smear him, I'm not worried about the mud-slingers on some obscure little website or the psychos who waste their time trying to smear him.

We love you right back, Ron!!

_________________
The ONLY Hope for A

BlueAngel
08-20-2007, 11:40 PM
Words of advice.

I watched the thumb.

Ron Paul is flashing the "devil's horns."

I think it's time you knocked it off with the "I love you" sign.

Is he speaking sign language or something for his deaf audience?

BlueAngel
08-20-2007, 11:41 PM
What video do you love and can't watch enough and why are you proclaiming your love for Ron Paul on this website?

BlueAngel
08-21-2007, 12:35 AM
Here's the still photo I was looking for:

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2305955

Barbara
08-21-2007, 03:55 PM
Ron Paul goes Hawaiian

Maui Wowie! Who would have thought that going on vacation to Hawaii would turn out to be a political adventure? Of course there was golf, beach time, a helicopter ride over a lava spewing volcano, a luau with Mai Tai’s and other adventures. I read FreedomsPhoenix.com every day and get my fix of Ron Paul regularly. I should state that I don’t vote, but I do support Ron Paul both financially and via information giving to others. I really wasn’t expecting to find any reference to Ron Paul in this detached State thousands of miles from home, nor was I looking for it.

It started with a 38 mile bike ride down the Haleakala Volcano (fortunately this one was not spewing lava). I first did the ride two years ago, and I would highly recommend this for anybody visiting Maui. They pick you up at your hotel or condo before dawn, cart you up the road to the top in time to see the sunrise, and then you go down at pretty incredible speeds for 38 miles. You stop at various places along the way, to not only take pictures but also to shed the layers of clothing that you need at the top, since it’s cold up there. About halfway down there were Ron Paul signs on the road! Quite a pleasant surprise and pictures were taken.


That evening we were out to dinner and right next door to the restaurant was a little gift shop called Cool Maui Stuff. In the window was prominently displayed a poster with Ron Paul’s picture on it. We had to go in! In the back of the store they had a TV going with a constant loop of Ron Paul videos. We ended up chatting with the owner, who recently started a meetup group in Maui, bought some cool Maui stuff, and suggested he check out FreedomsPhoenix.com While we were shopping, we heard people asking, who is Ron Paul, and saw a couple of kids watching the videos. The owner told us there is a lot of interest in Ron Paul by Hawaiians.

A few days later we went to the Big Island of Hawaii and were sitting on the beach when we were approached by a young man selling drinks to the resort guests. Fortunately it was Pina Colada time. I was reading a novel at the time and the drinks guy asked me what I was reading, I guess just making conversation. I told him I was reading a political thriller and unlike reality, it had a fictional vice-president and a senator that were crooked and evil. I know, it’s hard to believe, but sometimes politicians are bad. He said to me, “Speaking of politics, what do you think about this candidate for President….I can’t think of his name…?”

I had my Ron Paul Revolution t-shirt crumpled up on my chair, which I then displayed, and sure enough he said to me, “That’s who I was going to ask you about, Ron Paul.” In the next ten minutes I educated him about Ron and his ideas and gave him a few libertarian websites to check out. The next day my kids heard him chatting up other guests about Ron Paul. I saw him later and he wants to put up Ron Paul Revolution signs all over the Big Island.

As they say in Hawaii, “Aloha”, “Mahalo”, and now, let’s add “Let the Ron Paul Revolution begin”.

Barbara
08-21-2007, 04:13 PM
Victory in the Deep South

by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Last weekend my wife and I spent part of our Saturday at the West Alabama Republican Assembly’s straw poll. The result was as lopsided as all the Internet polls that Ron Paul supporters are accused of "spamming." Paul received 81 percent of the votes cast.

Most people were already there by the time we arrived. I could tell things were looking up by a quick glance around the parking lot. It wasn’t just the Ron Paul signs and bumper stickers all over the place; it was the complete lack of any other candidate’s signs or stickers. I saw not a single bumper sticker for any 2008 candidate other than Ron Paul.

Inside, the situation was largely the same. Ron Paul T-shirts, signs, and buttons everywhere. There were a few Romney signs, but that was it. Many of the folks I spoke to shared my sense of delighted disbelief: how had we managed to take over this entire event? And for the vast bulk of them, this was the first time they had so much as considered attending an event like a straw poll. Ron Paul seems to have that effect on people.

In case the media ignored the event, and/or in case there was any way the Ron Paul contingent’s complete domination might have been ignored or downplayed, I snapped some photos. Unfortunately, my brand new camera, whose instructions I hadn’t read, was on an inappropriate setting that yielded only grainy pictures. But YouTube once again comes to the rescue: it looks like a Ron Paul rally, doesn’t it? (The front rows are empty because by that point we were all milling around in the back waiting for the results.)

We had lunch with David Beito of the University of Alabama and the Liberty and Power blog. Afterward, we had a chance to meet all kinds of great folks, including (naturally) countless LewRockwell.com readers. (We're all in this video; when the cameraman comes around to ask if we're for Ron Paul, I give the smart-alecky answer, "We're still on the fence.")

Representatives from several campaigns spoke or gave presentations on behalf of their candidates. Duncan Hunter even phoned in and spoke to the crowd before we arrived. (He got ten votes.) But far and away the most powerful speaker – and anyone, whatever his preferred candidate, would have conceded this – was the gentleman who spoke for Ron Paul, a local Baptist minister named John Killian. Killian has an undeniable credibility with a Republican audience, having been involved in the party since the 1970s. And he sure knows how to rally a crowd: here is his speech (part 1 and part 2).

When it came time to announce the results, the only real question was Paul’s margin of victory. No one glancing around the room could have been in doubt about the outcome, and even the moderator who announced the results admitted that we all knew who had won. The candidates were named in alphabetical order – except Paul, whose name and vote total were given at the very end, since his win was a foregone conclusion.

This is what we heard:

Brownback - 2 (0.75%)
Giuliani - 7 (3%)
Huckabee - 6 (2%)
Hunter - 10 (4%)
McCain - 2 (0.75%)
Romney - 14 (5%)
Tancredo - 0 (0%)
Fred Thompson - 9 (3%)
Paul - 216 (81%)

Within seconds, the great Chris Brunner had posted the results to the LewRockwell.com blog (another reason to read it regularly!).

Steve Gordon’s recollections of the straw poll are much better and more thorough than anything I could have written; I particularly enjoyed his description of all the different kinds of people you meet at a Ron Paul event – and let’s face it, with 81 percent of the vote, the Ron Paul folks made this their event.

I’m recording my own thoughts, on the other hand, for the sake of analyzing what these results mean. Sure, in the grand scheme of things this straw poll was a minor event, but it was no less thrilling for all that. Mark Thornton said this was the first time he could remember actually being on the winning side at a political gathering.

And there is something to be learned even from these smaller events.

Most importantly, we find once again that among the 2008 candidates Ron Paul has a unique ability to inspire people. Everyone was invited to this straw poll. Ron Paul’s supporters did not behave unethically or exploit some loophole in order to register such an impressive vote total. They simply showed up. To my knowledge, the Ron Paul campaign did not issue invitations to supporters to attend the poll, much less provide funding or logistical support. Instead, Ron Paul Meetup groups and other forums got the word out.

Why couldn’t other candidates’ supporters have done the same? Why are the Paul people so enthusiastic and they so apathetic?

The same day, Ron Paul received 208 out of 286 votes cast at a straw poll in New Hampshire. Paul was actually present at that event – but so were Mike Huckabee and Tom Tancredo. Huckabee got 20 votes. Tancredo got eight.

So here’s an event at which you can actually meet your favored candidate, and yet Huckabee partisans can scrounge up only 20 people? Tancredo’s campaign motivated a grand total of eight to come see him?

Once and for all, then: Paul supporters are not spamming online polls, if it were even possible to do so without being detected. You can’t spam a straw poll, and in Alabama and New Hampshire we have just seen margins of victory similar to those that provoke allegations of spamming when they occur online.

When you devise events that ask people to make the effort to identify themselves, as with online polls or local straw polls, as opposed to telephone polls that consist of calling people (most of whom have never heard of Ron Paul) in their homes, Ron Paul does extremely well. That is to say, people who have heard of him disproportionately want to go out of their way to help him and make their support known.

And intensity of support does matter. On primary day, you can bet your bottom dollar that Paul’s supporters will be out there voting, whatever the weather. Given the very low percentage of voters who bother to vote in the primaries, this is no small advantage.

Name recognition is now the key. In countless cases, people who all of a sudden find out about Ron Paul turn into devoted partisans, employing their various talents in creative ways on his behalf.

Spreading the word is therefore the order of the day. I compiled a few of the favorite introductory Ron Paul YouTubes on the basis of suggestions I received from readers of this site. (I also like this one, which I find extremely inspiring.)

A major "right-wing" radio talk show host recently urged people to call Ron Paul’s headquarters to tell his staff their candidate couldn’t win. Quite apart from how stupid and juvenile that is, it also shows that Paul and his message are getting under the bad guys’ skin. When they condemn him or (in this case) urge him to drop out, what they are really saying is that they want a business-as-usual campaign in which Americans are spoken to in slogans and all the major candidates stick to the script when it comes to war and empire.

"Ron Paul is a distraction from the field of hacks the party has given us to choose from. We’re more or less satisfied with the status quo, and demand a candidate we can be sure won’t change a thing."

That, in effect, is what these dopes are saying.

Doing good and infuriating establishment and "right-wing" (as if there were a difference anymore) hacks at the same time – this is one of the distinct pleasures of working for and spreading the word about Ron Paul.

August 21, 2007

Barbara
08-21-2007, 04:37 PM
Watch as Ron Paul returns the love to his adoring fans!!!


http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2305955

Barbara
08-21-2007, 05:00 PM
Belgians support Ron Paul!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az2lhPhBCUo&mode=related&search=

Barbara
08-21-2007, 06:08 PM
Ron Paul Earns the World's Attention:


http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/08/20/ron-paul-earns-the-worlds-attention/

Great commentary and several videos

BlueAngel
08-21-2007, 06:51 PM
This is getting creepy!

Ron Paul returns the love to his adoring fans.

Starting to sound cult-like, Barbara.

BlueAngel
08-21-2007, 08:14 PM
Sorry, Barbara, but that's not an "I Love You" hand sign.

It's the horned "devil sign" signifying he is a part of the "satanic cult."

Wow!

Imagine having love returned to you by Ron Paul with the a hand signal.

Just makes you feel warm and cozy all over.

Barbara
08-22-2007, 03:26 AM
Ron Paul and the Matrix

by John J. Smalanskas


I had to wipe Earl Grey tea spray from my computer screen as I laughed and watched the very entertaining Ron Paul is the Matrix YouTube on the Lew Rockwell Breaking News blog. The Matrix–Ron Paul connection is a perfect fit. In The Matrix (in case you live in a duct tape and plastic enrobed house without outside communication), Neo (Keanu Reeves) is given a choice by Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) to take the blue pill, wake up in your bed "and believe whatever you want to believe," or, take the red pill and "stay in Wonderland and [see] how deep the rabbit hole goes." The Matrix, as Morpheus explains to Neo, is a computer generated program or "dreamworld" created by artificial intelligence (machines) to keep humanity under control and to use humans as its primary power source. As the story goes, Neo swallows the red pill, battles the nefarious Matrix Agents, and fulfills his destiny as "the one," which was to destroy the Matrix and save humanity. In our present reality, Ron Paul is our Neo; he is "the one" that may be our last and best hope to revive the essence and spirit of our (former) Constitutional Republic.

Like a splinter in my mind, to borrow another Morpheus expression, the Ron Paul YouTube video made me recall another interesting aspect of both my past and The Matrix. There is a song on The Matrix soundtrack made (more mainstream) popular by the movie called Wake Up performed by Rage Against the Machine (RATM). The album of that same name (the cover of which depicts a Vietnamese Buddhist monk burning himself to death in 1963 to protest the murder of fellow Buddhists) was released to critical acclaim in 1992. If you have heard it, you understand; if you have not, you may want to check it out. Be warned: it’s a raw, politically-charged, profanity laced, anti-government, anti-establishment tirade that blasts a listener with cold, hard reality. It’s a perfect compliment to The Matrix, and to me, a perfect fit with the essence and spirit of the Ron Paul movement. As the Wake Up lyrics go, we are all "…[s]till knee-deep in the system’s sh**, … I’ll give you a dose but it’ll never come close to the rage built up inside of me, fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy… Whadda I got to do to wake you up, to shake you up, to break the structure up, ’cause blood still flows in the gutter …" Indeed it does and we are seemingly powerless to stop it, unless, of course, Ron Paul really is "the one."

I attended the July 1993 Lollapalooza RATM show in Philadelphia when the band took the stage naked but for "PMRC" taped on the band members’ chests and black tape covering their mouths. They did not play that day, but they did stand there naked for 15 minutes to make their point. I was angered, as where many, but at the time, I did not know the whole story. (RATM later gave a free concert to make up for the mute-naked performance). PMRC, the "Parents Music Resource Center" was a censorship committee comprised of the "Washington Wives," Tipper Gore (Mrs. global warming Chicken Little), Susan Baker (wife of then Treasury Secretary James), Sally Nevius (wife of Washington City Council Chair John Nevius), Pam Howar (wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar). The sickening Washington Wives reference is of course to their husbands’ tentacles in the Federal Government.

When I later learned the full story, I was no longer angry. Fast forward from 1993 to 2000: I was at a friends house and I recognized the song "Wake Up" while watching The Matrix for the fist time. I was angry (again) because I believed that RATM had sold out for some Hollywood bucks, but as I watched the movie I realized the song was a perfect complement to the movie’s plot and underlying red pill–blue pill theme. And now in 2007, The Matrix red pill–blue pill theme and RATM’s Wake Up are perfect complements to the strengthening Ron Paul movement.

RATM broke up in 2000, but in an interesting confluence of events (in my red-pill world, anyway) the band has reunited and performed several shows this year with more to come. Here’s where it becomes really interesting for those that have ingested the red pill: During a show in Indio, California on April 29 the RATM lead singer Zack De la Rocha gave a speech during Wake Up referring to statements made by Noam Chomsky on the Nuremburg Standards and said:

[…] If the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II […] every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot – and this current administration is no exception. They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be. […] this whole rotten system has become so vicious and cruel that in order to sustain itself, it needs to destroy entire countries and profit from their reconstruction in order to survive. […] Wake up. [As reported by Corey Moss, MTV News].

Later, our blue pill friends Hannity & Colmes (or perhaps Agents) at Faux (alleged) News "discussed" De la Rocha’s statement – while the typically annoying on-screen headline blared – "[RATM] says Bush admin[istration] should be shot." The always charming Ann Coulter (an Agent guest that day) said: "There’re losers, their fans are losers…" I have no cogent defense to Ann’s deep intellectual analysis, but I’d rather be a red pill loser than a blue pill A-hole any day. RATM was not done. During a subsequent concert in New York on July 28 RATM ended their set with Wake Up and De la Rocha fired back at the Faux (alleged) News blather:

A couple of months ago, those fascist mother****ers at the Fox News [sic] Network attempted to pin this band into a corner by suggesting that we said that the president should be assassinated. Nah, what we said was that he should be brought to trial as war criminal and hung and shot. THAT'S what we said. […] And we don't back away from the position because the real assassinator is Bush and Cheney and the whole administration for the lives they have destroyed here and in Iraq. […] Wake up.

De la Rocha’s delivery and the rawness and radical nature of his message may differ from Ron Paul’s reasoned delivery, but the essence of their message is very similar. Every day, more and more Americans happily swallow the red pill and open their eyes to reality. In The Matrix, there is a scene where Neo asks Morpheus why his eyes hurt. Morpheus explains that it’s because Neo has never really used them. The chicken hawks, hacks, liars, deceivers, and statist filth like Bush, Cheney, Romney, Giuliani, the Clintons, and many others have no clue how to deal with Ron Paul because he delivers truth. Just as they need to mischaracterize and misrepresent De la Rocha’s statements (and their lackey Agents like Faux (alleged) news) they need to attack Ron Paul and attempt to label him a loon.

Based on the electric response Ron Paul receives everywhere he goes, Americans are taking the red pill in droves because they fully understand our present reality and that it is leading us all to economic and societal ruin. Unless, of course, you are one of the politically-connected elites that ride our backs like we’re donkeys. The illusion that is the Matrix is beginning to crumble before our eyes and the statists are very afraid. If you have not yet done so, I urge you to swallow the red pill and wake up. It may hurt for a short time, but living in a life of truth, justice, decency, and genuine freedom is far better than living in an authoritarian world of deceit, delusion, illusion, and servitude.

August 22, 2007

Barbara
08-22-2007, 03:37 AM
Ron Paul is the Matrix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU8jw7fzikQ

BlueAngel
08-22-2007, 08:56 AM
Excerpt:

"Based on the electric response Ron Paul receives everywhere he goes, Americans are taking the red pill in droves because they fully understand our present reality and that it is leading us all to economic and societal ruin. Unless, of course, you are one of the politically-connected elites that ride our backs like we’re donkeys. The illusion that is the Matrix is beginning to crumble before our eyes and the statists are very afraid. If you have not yet done so, I urge you to swallow the red pill and wake up. It may hurt for a short time, but living in a life of truth, justice, decency, and genuine freedom is far better than living in an authoritarian world of deceit, delusion, illusion, and servitude.."

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Get real.

Americans are taking the "red pill" in droves because they full understand our present reality.

Most American don't fully understand our present reality and what is it exactly that Ron Paul has said to wake them up to the "satanic cult" that controls our world?

Flash the "devil's horns" indicating he's a part of it all.

They can use Ron Paul to attract a following as if he is aligned against them just like they use all of their puppets.

This writer urges people to swallow the red pill. It may hurt for a short time, he says.

This man is writing illusion.

SWALLOW A RED PILL?

Are they passing them out somehwere?

I suggest you read Makow's sight for the truth and forget about the pill.

I believe Barbara needs to do one or the other. Anyone who doesn't believe in the existence of mind control programs and thinks Ron Paul's hand signal is an "I Love You" sign isn't living in reality.

Barbara
08-22-2007, 12:52 PM
Ron Paul's "Air Force"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvGLcNFKV8

BlueAngel
08-22-2007, 02:25 PM
Ron Paul has his own Air Force?

Interesting!

Barbara
08-22-2007, 03:02 PM
Socialists and Neocons versus Ron Paul

by Bryan Edds

From my experience, people who attack libertarians such as Ron Paul are often not serious about ideas. I have noticed the individuals who deride Dr. Paul do so mostly with shallow and dishonest attacks.

Take the various socialists and welfare-statists who attack Ron Paul. I understand they support nationalizing healthcare while generally being against the occupation of Iraq. Because they oppose the occupation, they should find a powerful ally in someone as principally opposed to it as Ron Paul. Take also the neoconservatives in the mass (minded) media such as Faux News who attack and omit Dr. Paul. I understand they support the occupation of the Middle East but also believe government should be strictly limited in accordance with traditional conservative ideas (right? right???). In Ron Paul, they have a great opportunity to highlight these at least rhetorical parallels while simultaneously expressing reasonable disagreements. Because of these considerations, I believe it reasonable to expect a certain amount of give and take among the three camps, if only for practical reasons.

What I have experienced instead has been a surreal and dishonest two-front attack against Ron Paul. No argument seems to be too trivial or irrelevant for the anti-Paulians to make. They seem to be bringing up every possible issue (real or imagined) against Ron Paul in the hopes something – anything – will stick.

Consider:

* While the President gets dictatorial power to spy on and indefinitely kidnap innocent Americans, socialists and neocons speculate wildly about Ron Paul supporters "spamming" internet polls.

* While thousands of men, women, and children violently die in Iraq and Afghanistan, socialists and neocons misrepresent Ron Paul's refusal to fund stem cell research.

* While the Bush administration plots to drop nuclear weapons on Iran, socialists and neocons spin every single Ron Paul victory to be meaningless or nonexistent.

* While people suffer without health care because government intervention makes it unaffordable to the poor, socialists and neocons distort a decade-old mishap Ron Paul had with one of his previous ghostwriters.

Where they manage to attack Dr. Paul’s ideas directly, they do so with increasingly ineffective arguments. Consider further:

* While the Constitution is trashed and mocked by all three branches, socialists and neocons talk about how Ron Paul's message of rule of law is anachronistic.

* While government at all levels rob the people blind, socialists and neocons sneer at Ron Paul’s suggestion to get rid of the Federal income tax.

* While the American economy further implodes due to the boom and bust cycle created by the Federal Reserve, socialists and neocons talk about how Ron Paul's anti-Fed proposals are "irrelevant."

* While the prices of essential goods dramatically increase via inflation, socialists and neocons talk about how Ron Paul's hard-money ideas are unrealistic.

* While Ron Paul educates Americans on economics, socialists and neocons spread discredited Keynesian and Marxist myths which undermine liberty and prosperity.

* While Ron Paul plans to help reintegrate America with the world through peaceful trade and foreign policy, socialists and neocons smear him as "isolationist."

* While Ron Paul gains more supporters every day, socialists and neocons criticize his lack of name recognition in land-line phone polling – yet at the same time groan about how fanatical and pervasive his supporters are...

Something isn't right. There is honest disagreement, and then there is demagoguery. There is mutual respect, and then there is mud-slinging. I cannot name one person who Dr. Paul has disparaged as badly as most of his critics see fit to disparage him. This says a lot about all said parties involved.

What is it then about Ron Paul that inspires such fevered attacks? I will say what I believe. I believe the battle for freedom takes place not only in the upcoming election, but also in the arena of ideas. In this arena, I believe Ron Paul’s message is more powerful than any political shenanigans that can be put against him. I believe also the embittered detractors have good reason to be up in arms. With every Ron Paul victory, they have found their intellectual weaponry to be unexpectedly brittle and ineffective against the message of freedom.

August 22, 2007

BlueAngel
08-22-2007, 03:07 PM
I think I missed something.

Where are all these so-called attacks on Ron Paul occuring?

redrat11
08-22-2007, 09:23 PM
A Message of Hope


Ron Paul to the American People


August 22, 2007
Message from Ron Paul
Not all the media are biased. A local newspaper in New Hampshire reported on an annual GOP bbq in the town of Hollis. It could be called "the Ron Paul show," they said, since the far bigger crowd than usual consisted mostly of our supporters. One volunteer even rented an airplane and flew a wonderful sign around the sky. What great, creative, self-starting people I’m meeting, at every stop, all of them united by a love of America and American freedom.

Politics is usually about division. But this campaign is just the opposite. Not only are our volunteers a bunch of happy warriors, but they also practice the virtues of tolerance and peace, just as they want the nation to do.

The other day, the state chairman of an opposing campaign (not in New Hampshire!), angrily tore a sign out of one of our supporter's hands and trashed it. Different people with different beliefs might have responded differently. But our people, though they'd been standing in the rain all day, applied the Golden Rule. It's because of quiet heroes that I know we can change this country.

A reporter in New Hampshire told me this story about Florida: she had seen the same three supporters working every day passing out our literature, and so decided to interview them. She was startled to discover that one was a Republican, one was a Democrat, and one was an Independent. But I wasn't.

Freedom brings us all together. We can all agree on leaving people alone to plan and live their own lives, rather than trying to force them to obey at the point of a gun, as runaway government does. Instead of clawing at each other via the warfare-welfare state, people under liberty can cooperate in a unity of diversity.

There is no need to use government to threaten others who have different standards, or to be threatened by them. Looking to our Founders, our traditions, and the Constitution, we can build, in peaceful cooperation, a free and prosperous society.

At a talk show in Nashua, New Hampshire, the host asked me about the fair tax. Well, I agree on getting rid of the IRS, I told her, but I want to replace it with nothing, not another tax. But let's not forget the inflation tax, I said.

This was something she had never considered, but after I talked about the depreciation of our dollar by the Federal Reserve, its creation of artificial booms and busts, and its bailouts of the big banks and Wall Street firms, to the detriment of the average person, she loved it. That is another tax, she agreed, a hidden and particularly vicious tax.

They try to tell us that the money issue is boring or irrelevant. In fact, it is the very pith of our social lives, and morally, Constitutionally, and economically, the central bank is a disaster. Thanks to the work of this movement, Americans are starting to understand what has been hidden from them for so long: that we have a right to sound and honest money, not to a dollar debauched for the special interests.

Unconstitutional government has created a war crisis, a financial crisis, a dollar crisis, and a freedom crisis. But we don’t have to take it. We don't have to passively accept more dead soldiers, a lower standard of living, rising prices, a national ID, eavesdropping on our emails and phone calls, and all the rest.

We can return to first principles, and build the brightest, most brilliant future any people on earth has ever aspired to. Help me teach this lesson. Help me campaign all over this country, in cooperation with our huge and growing volunteer army. Help me show that change is not only possible, but also essential. Please, make your most generous contribution (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/) to this campaign for a Constitutional presidency worthy of our people. Invest in freedom: for yourself, for your family, for your future.

Sincerely,

Ron

http://blog.ronpaul2008.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/08/message-from--2.html

Barbara
08-23-2007, 12:09 AM
RR11, what a beautiful post! It is the essence of Ron Paul. No shouting, no anger, just cool, calm common sense stated in such a way that everyone listening can understand. Many people become supporters after hearing him speak because of his sincerity and understanding of the situation in which we find ourselves today, how it came about and what we can do to effect change.

This campaign is vastly different from the '88 campaign when he ran on the Libertarian Ticket. It was a time when the Reagan years were coming to a close and people were still buying the bull that Regan had brought prosperity and plenty to the land. Certainly this might have been true for some because he tripled the national debt and beefed up the military so, like today, the military industrial complex was delirious but people in states like Texas were in a recession/depression. I know, I was living there at the time.

A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose YOUR job.

Yes, there were volunteers who worked tirelessly for Dr. Paul back then but nothing to compare with the sheer numbers that are out there working their hearts out today, all without pay, putting their money out to buy sign material, traveling to go to meetups and rallies, buying their own handouts, attending functions where crowds gather so they can introduce people to Ron and his platform. In addition, they do without something themselves so they can donate money to his campaign. Many if not most of his supporters are family people who are not wealthy by any means.

His message was the same then as now but it fell on deaf ears. It took the coming of age of the present generation for what he is saying to resonate, that and 8 years of Clinton and almost 7 years of Bush Lite. If people had listened then, we would not be facing what we have in front of us now, but that is water under the bridge; I'm just delighted that they are listening now. Better late than never.

There are not adequate words to define the Ron Paul Revolution, you're either a part of it or you aren't. If you ask a supporter why they are for Ron Paul, they will tick off any number of good reasons why but that will not tell you about the smile on their face when they talk about him or the hope in their eyes.

This is engendered by the man himself. His honesty and sincerity is in every word he speaks, he "walks his talk" and his voting record is there to prove it. There's more but it falls into that indefinable quality that makes him a statesman and not a politician, a gentle man as well as a gentleman, someone you would be proud to have represent your country when meeting with foreign dignitaries or sitting in the Oval Office.

It's no wonder that many of the other candidates don't want to debate him, they would only suffer by the comparison. Most of them are know-nothing, do-nothing types or one-issue candidates (like immigration, a result of the welfare-warfare state) who want the prestige and power that goes with being the president but are in essence only hollow suits and empty promises where we-the-people are concerned if not an out-and-out embarrassment

Ron Paul has the ability to bring people together, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, blacks, whites, browns, yellows, reds - all those who share a love of this country and want real hope for the future, for peace and freedom.

Yes, I'm proudly a member of the Ron Paul Revolution and I invite everyone to learn more about Ron Paul, there's a good chance you will join the Revolution, too.

Barbara
08-23-2007, 07:32 PM
Ron Paul Wins Washingotn Straw Poll


Presidential candidate continues trend with another win



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Jesse Benton

August 22, 2007 202-246-6363

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Representative Ron Paul won the South Sound Ronald Reagan Republican Club's straw poll last night in Snohomish County, Washington. Dr. Paul received 30 percent of the vote, beating out Fred Thompson who garnered 27 percent.

The victory continues a string of straw poll successes for Dr. Paul. In the past week, the Republican congressman and OB doctor won contests in North Carolina, New Hampshire and Alabama.

"Our campaign is growing by the day and continues to build momentum," said campaign manager Lew Moore. "This victory demonstrates strong grassroots support in the important state of Washington.


WooooooooHooooooo (ahem, cough, cough, sorry)

Barbara
08-23-2007, 09:17 PM
Thursday, August 23, 2007
Ron Paul Wins Five Straw Polls, Mainstream Media Remains Silent

Whether it's Washington, Alabama, New Hampshire, or South Carolina, the message is the same. We want our freedom, our rights, our money, and our country back, and we're willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen. Thousands are driving from all over their states to show support resulting in straw poll victories for Ron Paul with percentages as high as 81%.

Dr. Paul has placed in a total of 16 straw polls now, tying him with Romney and thrusting him far beyond Giuliani in terms of visible support, and not a word about the trend can be heard from the mainstream media. To put this into perspective, there were over 4,800 articles in the mainstream media about the Iowa straw poll in which Mitt Romney spent over $200,000 ensuring his win, while there are a whopping 162 mainstream articles combined from all five straw polls in which Ron Paul was victorious. Most of these mentions are no more than a one-sentence blurb incorporated into an article about a more general topic. But, this is the Internet, and we have access to the truth:

Straw Poll Victories

FIRST PLACE (5)
New Hampshire Taxpayers, July 7 ~ 1st 65.3%
North Carolina, Gaston GOP, August 13, ~ 1st 36.6%
New Hampshire, Stafford, NH, August 18 ~ 1st 72.7%
Alabama, August 18 ~ 1st 81.2%
Washington State, August 21 ~ 1st 28.1%

SECOND PLACE (5)
Utah GOP, June 12, 2nd 5.4%
LibertyPapers.org conference, June 16 ~ 2nd 16.7%
Georgia, Cobb Co. GOP, July 4 ~ 2nd 17%
South Carolina, Georgetown Co., July 28 ~ 2nd 18%
West Lafayette, Indiana, August 18 ~ 2nd 11.7%
Number of Times Placing In Top Three

Candidate First Second Third Total
Ron Paul 5 5 6 16
Mitt Romney 4 6 6 16
Fred Thompson 10 4 0 14
Rudy Giuliani 0 3 2 5
Mike Huckabee 0 2 3 5
Duncan Hunter 0 1 3 4
Sam Brownback 1 0 1 2
John McCain 1 0 1 2
Tommy Thompson 0 1 0 1
John Cox 0 0 0 0
Jim Gilmore 0 0 0 0
Tom Tancredo 0 0 0 0
Other 0 0 0 0
Source: Oklahomans for Ron Paul

Clearly, it's up to us to get the word out. Join your local meetup, talk to family, friends, and co-workers. This is our one chance to save our country. Let's make it happen!

This entry was posted on Thursday, August 23rd, 2007

Posted by CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS mparent7777 Marc Parent CCNWON at 8:38 AM

Barbara
08-25-2007, 01:00 AM
Three very informative videos. especially the third one.

http://www.fight4truth.com/ron%20paul%20the%20time%20is%20now%20video.htm

Barbara
08-25-2007, 06:58 PM
CNN accidentally interviews a Ron Paul supporter!

http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2007/08/oops-cnn-accidentally-interviews-ron.html

Barbara
08-25-2007, 07:56 PM
Aaron Russo Announces
Full Support Of Ron Paul
Aaron Russo
aaronrusso@freedomtofascism.com
1-14-7

Dear AFTF Lovers of Liberty and Patriots,

Good news travels fast!

You may have heard that the Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is exploring running for the Republican nomination in 2008.

Congressman Paul will be the only uncompromising defender of the Constitution in the race.

I can't tell you how grateful I felt, how full of heartfelt joy, and how much enthusiasm I felt when I heard the news of his Candidacy. I am 1000% behind him!

Ron Paul has stepped up to the plate because he knows what we all know: the noose is tightening, and there isn't much time if we hope to restore to Constitutional Government.

I called Ron yesterday to tell him I am on board to do ANYTHING it takes to support his campaign.

NOW is the time for the ENTIRE Freedom Movement, all Third Parties, ALL GOOD AMERICANS EVERYWHERE, from all political stripes and persuasions, to unite to overtake the weakened Republican Party. Stand firmly behind Ron Paul, and work to restore our Constitutional Republic.

Do not let partisan politics get in the way. No matter what your Party affiliation, we must support Ron Paul as the Candidate.

Everything in the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism IS Ron Paul.

In my conversation with Congressman Paul, I told him I'll make copies of America: Freedom to Fascism available for his campaign. We will spread them far and wide.

What better way to introduce him to the public than for him to talk to them in their own living rooms?! What better way to help awaken them to governmental intrusions into their private lives than to see it in their own homes?

Congressman Ron Paul is the man with the strength to stay the course until Enemies, Foreign and Domestic, are put in their rightful place!

There isn't a better man for the job. He has an impeccable voting record. He is "right on," on Freedom and Sovereignty issues.

In a time of universal deceit, Congressman Paul dares to commit the revolutionary act of telling the truth. How refreshing!

But now the work begins.

Ron Paul needs not just our "affirmative nod," he needs our time, energy, financial contributions, and willingness to see him win. He needs us to use our precious accrued "vacation time" to go to New Hampshire to knock on doors, pass out AFTF DVDs, to be as dedicated to helping him win as he is to running the Race. His campaign must be organized District by District.

The entire AFTF Network must focus on helping Ron Paul. You have already awakened a lot of Americans to the dangers we face.

NOW, help me, won't you, as I do everything within my means to promote the only HONEST, Constitutional American in the 2008 Presidential race.

With the right Candidate and a passionate grassroots effort, it is possible to take over a weakened Republican Party. I've told you many times of how we overtook the Republican Party in my Gubernatorial race in Nevada. I KNOW it can be done!

Well, HERE is that Candidate!
NOW IS THE TIME to join with me and support Ron Paul.
I've seen you at work. You can do this. WE can do this!

I Am Most Sincerely Yours in Freedom,

Aaron Russo


PS. Please be sure visit http://www.freedomtofascism.com and sign up as a volunteer to support this effort. Also, please share this video link concerning my comments about the 9/11 fraud - ie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLrWV6ObwI

PPS. In the past 2 1/2 months we have had over 1 million views of American: Freedom To Fascism on Google Video. The movie has received the highest possible rating of 5 Stars from the viewing audience. This is an incredible testement to the American public's appetite to learn about freedom. Please keep spreading the word of freedom by sending this email around the world. Here's the link to the movie on Google Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198

Barbara
08-26-2007, 05:19 AM
Aging Infrastructure

by Ron Paul

The recent and tragic bridge collapse in Minnesota raises many questions in Americans' minds about our aging infrastructure, and what is being done to maintain it. Questions such as: "Was I-35 an isolated accident or are we approaching days when crumbling bridges and bursting pipes will be regular features on the evening news?"

The poor ratings on the inspection report of that bridge, and similar deficiency findings on as many as 25% of our bridges suggests the latter. Estimates on what it will cost to bring deficiencies in our infrastructure back up to par range from massive to astronomical.

Billions of tax dollars at all levels of government are devoted to infrastructure, but one problem is that politicians love to cut ribbons. Political capital is gained not from maintaining or repairing our systems, but from building new bridges, new stadiums, and new roads, often of questionable real utility. Seldom is there a ceremony or photo opportunity for repairing or maintaining something already in place.

As the so-called Highway Trust Fund is set to go bankrupt as early as 2009, private investment firms are gearing up for partnerships, which could be a positive step, if handled sensibly. What we need to avoid are items such as the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC), which is phase 1 of the NAFTA Super Highway. The Spanish firm Cintra is set to take over toll collections after the TTC’s completion; however it is unclear that they’ll have any obligations for maintenance. The cost is being socialized, while the profit is privatized, effectively making the American people pay for it twice.

Infrastructure, in a capitalist model, is an asset worthy of maintaining to ensure continuity of revenue. In a government-controlled model infrastructure is nothing but a cumbersome liability. This should be taken into consideration when developing plans to keep our current infrastructure safe. Privatization should be used to encourage maintenance and safety, and where private companies truly invest and bear the upfront costs in return for ability to collect tolls or usage fees in some form. But public/private partnerships that look more like corporate welfare must be avoided.

We should re-examine how we handle the taxes we collect for infrastructure and how we allocate that money. At the very least reins need to be put on the Highway Trust Fund. Funds collected from the gas tax should go into the Trust Fund – period.

Even the most ardent liberal and passionate conservative can agree that when they pay gasoline taxes, the least they expect is a road and bridge system that won't crumble beneath their feet. Before any subsidies or welfare payments are paid out, before social security is handed out to illegal immigrants, or health care is given to everyone, before bridges to nowhere are built at home, or entire countries bombed and rebuilt abroad, before any other myriad of exotic government projects are even considered, infrastructure should be attended to and taken seriously.

redrat11
08-27-2007, 06:07 PM
I'm continuing to learn alot about Ron Paul, the guy is not "stained" like most politicians, I think he really cares about the future of this country, and I also believe that he knows alot of 'criminal' things are going on in the government, but, he can't make "statements" that the Jewish Media Power can use to smear him, he is walking on needles. he needs to be real careful, so far so good.




http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2007/08/another-reason-to-vote-for-ron-paul.html

BlueAngel
08-27-2007, 08:24 PM
They can distance themselves from Ron Paul to make it appear that he's "out of the loop;" not one of them.

By the way, is he JEWISH?

What's his heritage?

Where's his biography?

Barbara
08-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Here's a question for you, DA, what the hell do you care? If he should be jewish, which I seriously doubt, would it keep you from voting for him?

For Constitutional conservatives there is only one candidate in the race on either side. If you are not a Constitutional conservative, the field is open, take your pick.

Personally, I would suspect someone like you of being a "sleeper" with your admitted background of mind control and sleeping with the enemy before I would Ron Paul, with a solid voting record that proves where he stands. Certainly your clumsy efforts to smear an honest man speaks volumes about you to your detriment while elevating your "target."

It is my considered opinion that you simply want attention and will stoop as low as it takes to get it. I find you personally distasteful from 99.9% of your posts; the fact is, you do not care about the Ron Paul candidacy, you have just found that there are those who do and you want to interject yourself using your low-brow tactics to draw attention to yourself.

Having said that, I withdraw my attention from you. There will always be DAs like you around, useless eaters and ballast, at best, but there is only one Ron Paul; if we as a nation are very fortunate, he will be our next president, if not - I and hundreds of thousands, soon to be millions, like me can at least say we gave it our best shot.

Barbara
08-28-2007, 06:58 PM
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS HAVE ONLY ONE CHOICE IN 2008

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

August 28, 2007

NewsWithViews.com

Let's cut to the chase: conservative Republicans have only one choice for President in 2008: Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. Unlike the GOP frontrunners, Paul is the real deal.

No real conservative could support Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Fred Thompson, or Newt Gingrich. When it comes to historic conservative principles, each of these men is as phony as a three dollar bill. That they are now attempting to cast themselves as conservatives is more than laughable: it is downright hilarious.

For an ongoing review of the major presidential aspirants, I invite readers to visit this web page often.

The more that conservatives (and the rest of America) learn about the GOP's "top tier" candidates, the more they will dislike them. This fact does not bode well for the GOP in the 2008 general election should one of these five men obtain the nomination. Plus, G.W. Bush has forever wasted the antiquated "lesser of two evils" philosophy. As they say here in the south, "That dog won't hunt." Not anymore.

On the whole, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are head and shoulders above the aforementioned "top tier" candidates, especially on the very important illegal immigration issue. They are also opposed to so-called "free trade" agreements, and they are both pro-Second Amendment. This is a plus. Hunter supports preemptive war, however, and he voted for both the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, which disqualifies him for President, in my judgment. I confess to liking Tom Tancredo. He strikes me as an honest man and was a bulldog in fighting Bush's amnesty for illegal aliens proposal. However, he also voted for the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act. Mike Huckabee and Sam Brownback are strong on the life issue, but they are dismal on immigration and Big Brother issues. All that said, it is Ron Paul alone who contains the "whole package."

He has a twenty-year record as a conservative congressman that is virtually unblemished. Unlike the vast majority of congressmen and senators in Washington, D.C., Paul consistently honors his oath of office to support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. That, all by itself, should be worth a conservative's support.

In fact, Ron Paul has voted against so many unconstitutional bills offered by both Democrats and Republicans that he is known on Capitol Hill as "Dr. No." This moniker comes from both his "no" votes and the fact that Paul is a former medical doctor, an OB/GYN physician who has delivered more than four thousand babies.

If one wants a true photograph of how a congressman or senator votes on conservative, constitutional issues, the best place to look is the Freedom Index in the New American Magazine. Ron Paul almost always ranks as the most conservative congressman from either chamber or either party. His current ranking is 100%, which is a score that few congressmen or senators, except Ron Paul, ever achieve. And Paul does it routinely.

Ron Paul's commitment to the sanctity of human life goes beyond rhetoric. He is the man who sponsored H.R. 776, entitled the "Sanctity of Life Act of 2005." Had it passed, H.R. 776 would have recognized the personhood of all unborn babies by declaring that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception." The bill also recognized the authority of each State to protect the lives of unborn children. In addition, H.R. 776 would have removed abortion from the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, thereby nullifying the Roe v. Wade decision, and would have denied funding for abortion providers. In plain language, H.R. 776 would have ended abortion on demand. (It is more than interesting to me that none of the Religious Right's pet politicians, including George W. Bush, even bothered to support Paul's pro-life bill.)

In addition to being willing to stop the illegal alien invasion, Ron Paul is one of only a handful of congressmen that dares speak out against the emerging North American Union, NAFTA superhighway, and the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement, all of which are being promoted by the White House in concert with the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Another critical issue in next year's election is the gun issue (it is always a critical issue where freedom is concerned). On this issue, Ron Paul stands atop the field. Because Paul truly supports the Constitution, he truly supports "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Period. Should Ron Paul become President, gun owners would have the best friend they ever had.

For a comprehensive review of the presidential contenders' records on the Second Amendment, click here.

Regarding the war in Iraq and other foreign policy issues, Paul is a traditional conservative of the order of George Washington and Robert Taft. Not ignorant of military matters (he is an Air Force veteran), Paul subscribes to a historical American approach of no entanglements with foreign nations. In fact, in the area of foreign policy, Ron Paul stands alone as a traditional, constitutional, American statesman.

Unlike his neocon counterparts, Ron Paul believes in an independent America. He believes that it is not America's responsibility to police the world. He believes America's political leaders are duty-bound to protect the interests of the United States, not the interests of internationalists. Accordingly, he opposed the unprovoked and preemptive invasion of Iraq. Time has certainly vindicated Dr. Paul's principled position.

In fact, those conservatives who have followed President Bush's preemptive war doctrine are the ones who have abandoned historical conservative principles. Before G.W. Bush changed the landscape, conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, mostly subscribed to Augustine's "just war" theory regarding accepted protocols for the conduct of war. Today, however, many professing conservatives have foolishly followed Bush's "preemptive war" theory, which, before now, was practiced mostly by pagan emperors. Not so with Ron Paul. As a Christian, he still subscribes to "just war."

Of course, Ron Paul believes in protecting America from terrorists. He authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. According to Paul, "A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage war against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation."

If the United States government had listened to Ron Paul, we would not have lost nearly 3,500 American soldiers and Marines, spent over $1 trillion, and gotten bogged down in an endless civil war from which there is no equitable extraction. Furthermore, had we listened to Dr. Paul, Osama bin Laden would no doubt be dead, as would most of his al-Qaeda operatives, and we would be less vulnerable to future terrorist attacks, instead of being more vulnerable, which is the case today.

And speaking of Christianity, Ron Paul's testimony is clear. He has publicly acknowledged Jesus Christ as his personal Savior. And for Paul, this is not political posturing, it is a genuine personal commitment. This is easily demonstrated by the fact that he does not wear his Christianity on his sleeve, as do so many politicians (of both parties).

Just recently, Ron Paul said these words, "I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator."

Could conservative Christians ask for a testimony that is any clearer?

Should Ron Paul win the Republican nomination, he would almost certainly win the general election. His constitutional, common-sense ideals would be attractive to such a broad range of voters, I dare say that he would win a landslide victory, no matter who the Democrats nominated. Conservatives, independents, libertarians, union members, and even some liberals (mostly those who oppose the war in Iraq and Bush's Big Brother schemes) would support Ron Paul. The challenge is winning the Republican nomination.

Face it: the big money interests, the Chamber of Commerce crowd, the international bankers and GOP hierarchy will never support Dr. Paul. He is too honest, too ethical, too constitutional, and too independent for their liking. Therefore, the only chance Ron Paul has of winning the Republican nomination is for every Christian, every conservative, and every constitutionalist within the GOP to get behind him.

Conservative Republicans have only one choice for President in 2008: Ron Paul.

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. In 1985 the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence.

Dr. Baldwin is the host of a lively, hard-hitting syndicated radio talk show on the Genesis Communications Network called, "Chuck Baldwin Live" This is a daily, one hour long call-in show in which Dr. Baldwin addresses current event topics from a conservative Christian point of view. Pastor Baldwin writes weekly articles on the internet http://www.ChuckBaldwinLive.com and newspapers.

To learn more about his radio talk show please visit his web site at: www.chuckbaldwinlive.com. When responding, please include your name, city and state.

redrat11
08-28-2007, 07:34 PM
I think most Christian Conservatives, (much different than fiscal conservatives and Constitutional Conservatives) are what can take Ron Paul to victory in 08. If he can somehow connect with the (Anti-Abortion-Pro-Life,) wing of the GOP, he can bring much distress on the Nation-Wreckers, from what I understand R. Paul is Pro-Life Anti-Abortion already is he not? I read that he has delivered hundreds of babies for mothers free of charge to less fortunate people who could'nt pay. Ron Paul is the best candidate period!

Barbara
08-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Watch parts 1 and 2, all your questions will be answered.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoB2a7kM0YY

Barbara
08-28-2007, 08:32 PM
Seven (7) great videos from FreedomFest. Ron Paul shines, as always!


http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul406.html

Barbara
08-28-2007, 09:04 PM
MSM is Formally Accused of Felony Rico and Conspiracy Against Dr. Ron Paul

Clarence Malcolm on 28 August, 2007 08:29:00

What the public needs to understand is that FOX, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and the other established *mainstream “mass media”/news sources [*see
definition @ Wikipedia.org] are perpetrating criminal fraud (via omissions, distortions and outright lies) and a deliberate censorship of Dr. Ron Paul in 2008 Presidential race—with malice and aforethought and evil intent to control the 2008 presidential elections. This is an outrage and “We the People” need to organize against this dangerous plot and TAKE ACTION by filing “class action” criminal charges and civil suits against the owners and executives of these news sources.

This illegal censorship is not only harming Americans because they wield the power to control the outcome of elections via the quantity and quality of the news coverage they provide the candidates; it constitutes an unAmerican and antiAmerican criminal enterprise; not to fail to mention a violation of the first amendment/freedom of the press. These accused individuals—the elitist media executives—exercise monopolized and Fascist-control over media/news sources with intent to get the candidate preferred by them elected while simultaneously wrongfully hiding and/or playing down the true facts, popularity and success of the Ron Paul campaign.

Please spread this message and let’s get criminal charges and a class action lawsuit executed against this dangerous organized crime syndicate identified as the present mainstream media outlets which are collaborating in a RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961-1968; reference: www.ricoact.com] conspiracy to censor Dr. Ron Paul and control the outcome of the 2008 Presidential Election.

This is definitely “RICO” if it can be shown that any of the accused media executives have donated money to any of the other presidential candidates, directly or indirectly! The accused individuals herein have wrongfully utilized their outrageous MONOPOLY over the media across America to injure Dr. Ron Paul and his millions of supporters; all Americans, in fact. These accused individuals need to go to prison upon conviction. They need to be criminally prosecuted and have their personal assets seized. They need to have their Federal FCC licenses revoked for participating in this criminal conspiracy. Help us spread this felony information far and wide. Let’s get these elitist outlaws criminally prosecuted and civilly sued.


I’ll get the ball rolling right now with my sworn affidavit, a criminal complaint:

Gage County

State of Nebraska

SWORN STATEMENT

I, Clarence Douglas Malcolm, a private criminal investigator, working with retired FBI Division Chief, Ted L. Gunderson [ ">www.tedgunderson.com] hereby swear under penalty of perjury pursuant to the laws of the State of Nebraska and the United States of America that I have obtained personal and imputed knowledge that known and yet unknown owners, executives and employees in the established mainstream media including but not limited to ABC, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, CBS, The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, The Miami Herald and The San Diego Herald-Tribune and, in fact, nearly all (if not all) news sources which have become monopolized by a few wealthy class individuals who are intentionally and with evil intent acting as co-conspirators in perpetrating crime and the unlawful censorship of Dr. Ron Paul; and, these same individuals are participating in an illegal conspiracy rising to the level of RICO to control the outcome of the 2008 Presidential Elections.

The level of felony crime, corruption and conspiracy victimizing Dr. Ron Paul and the America people in these 2008 Presidential event is unprecedented in the history of the United States and needs to be investigated and prosecuted without further delay. The conspirators know they have a duty to the public to impartially cover all news worthy “news” but have colluded to create an uneven playing field favoring select candidates while ignoring or virtually disregarding Dr. Paul and others.

I am a bona fide Federal and State victim-witness to this crime along with countless millions of other defrauded Americans. The media owners and executives who are involved in this illegal monopoly, RICO racketeering and conspiracy include but are not limited to: David Rockefeller, Edgar Bronfman, Rupert Murdoch, Sumner Redstone and Ted Turner. Known and other yet unknown individuals working in collaboration with or for these media barons including but not limited to executives, legal consultants, representatives, news personnel and employees who are — more likely than not — actively involved in this felony crime and conspiracy and who should also be arrested and investigated for their participation.

I also formally accuse these individuals of treason against the people of the United States of America…pursuant to Ted Gunderson’s extensive research and other information we have obtained…who individually and collectively — more likely than not — possess evil intent to overthrow the United States Republic form of government and our hard-won national sovereignty as established by our founders and for this diabolical purpose they have used their tremendous wealth, power, influence and illegally monopolized control over this nation’s media/news sources to facilitate this criminal conspiracy.

For example, as documented in the February 9, 1917, United States Congressional Record wherein it was announced in pages 2947 - 2948 that J.P. Morgan interests had bought 25 of America ’s leading newspapers and inserted their own editors in order to control the press. Ted Gunderson has proof that this conspiracy has tremendously escalated and expanded into all other media/news sources since that time. Moreover, Ted Gunderson has meritorious information which has led him (and others including me) to believe that these conspirators and their cohorts have controlled past elections through the felonious manipulation of electronic voting machines.

Further, I hereby formally accuse the Republican and Democratic Parties via known and yet unknown members — having membership in the Counsel on Foreign Relations, an organization I believe I can easily prove to be a subversive unAmerican and anti-American criminal organization via rogues therein — of actively participating with evil intent, directly or indirectly, in the aforementioned felony crime and conspiracy in willful collaboration with the accused aforementioned outlaws in the mass media.

I have acquired much evidence to prove my meritorious criminal allegations. Moreover, henceforth, any public officers, employees and/or contractors who become aware of these felony allegations and information who refuses, neglects or otherwise fails to perform their duty to uniformly enforced the rule of law pursuant to this formal criminal complaint shall be deemed by this Federal/State victim-witness to be co-conspirators in said felony crime. I reserve my right to citizen arrest all accused felons herein named and their accomplices, cohorts and co-conspirators.


Executed this 26th day of August, 2007, with intent that an immediate criminal investigation be initiated and that all accused criminals and their cohorts be arrested and prosecuted pursuant to clearly established law bearing in mind that “no one is [supposed to be] above the law” regardless of how powerful, rich or well-connected they are.

Mark: Clarence Douglas Malcolm, Federal and State Victim-Witness.

justiceranger@mail.com

www.1-free-dvd.com

www.tedgunderson.com

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PUBLIC NOTICE: Please help us publicize this formal criminal complaint across the internet. After reading this affidavit/felony presentment, if anyone believes it to be true, they (“you”) have the right to copy it and affix your own name as an affiant. We need tens of thousands of Americans who are “victims-witnesses” to the aforementioned accused criminals/enterprises to join us in our formal criminal complaints and to become co-plaintiffs in a historic class action lawsuit. Below is Ted Gunderson’s criminal complaint via affidavit to show you how easy it is to execute your own presentment. After executing the same or similar felony complaint via affidavit “you” also will have the right to citizen arrest the accused felons.

Gage County

State of Nebraska

SWORN STATEMENT

I, Ted L. Gunderson, a retired FBI Senior Special Agent in Charge [www.tedgunderson.com], hereby swear under penalty of perjury pursuant to the laws of the State of Nebraska and the United States of America that I have obtained personal and imputed knowledge that known and yet unknown owners, executives and employees in the established mainstream media including but not limited to ABC, NSNBC, FOX, CNN, CBS, The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, The Miami Herald and The San Diego Herald-Tribune and, in fact, nearly all (if not all) news sources which have become monopolized by a few wealthy class individuals who are intentionally and with evil intent acting as co-conspirators in perpetrating crime and the unlawful censorship of Dr. Ron Paul; and, these same individuals are participating in an illegal conspiracy rising to the level of RICO to control the outcome of the 2008 Presidential Elections.

The level of felony crime, corruption and conspiracy victimizing Dr. Ron Paul and the America people in these 2008 Presidential event is unprecedented in the history of the United States and needs to be investigated and prosecuted without further delay. The conspirators know they have a duty to the public to impartially cover all news worthy “news” but have colluded to create an uneven playing field favoring select candidates while ignoring or virtually disregarding Dr. Paul and others.

I, too, am a bona fide Federal and State victim-witness to this crime along with countless millions of other defrauded Americans. The media owners and executives who are involved in this illegal monopoly, RICO racketeering and conspiracy include but are not limited to: David Rockefeller, Edgar Bronfman, Rupert Murdoch, Sumner Redstone and Ted Turner. Known and other yet unknown individuals working in collaboration with or for these media barons including but not limited to executives, legal consultants, representatives, news personnel and employees who are—more likely than not—actively involved in this felony crime and conspiracy and who should also be arrested and investigated for their participation. I also formally accuse these individuals of treason against the people of the United States of America…pursuant to my extensive research and other information I have obtained…who individually and collectively—more likely than not—possess evil intent to overthrow the United States Republic form of government and our hard-won national sovereignty as established by our founders and for this diabolical purpose they have used their tremendous wealth, power, influence and illegally monopolized control over this nation’s media/news sources to facilitate this criminal conspiracy. For example, as documented in the February 9, 1917, United States Congressional Record wherein it was announced in pages 2947- 2948 that J.P. Morgan interests had bought 25 of America ’s leading newspapers and inserted their own editors in order to control the press. I have proof that this conspiracy has tremendously escalated and expanded into all other media/news sources since that time.

Moreover, I have other meritorious information which has led him (and others) to believe that these conspirators and their cohorts have controlled past elections through the felonious manipulation of electronic voting machines.

Further, I hereby formally accuse the Republican and Democratic Parties via known and yet unknown members—having membership in the Counsel on Foreign Relations, an organization I believe I can easily prove to be a subversive unAmerican and anti-American criminal organization via rogues therein—of actively participating with evil intent, directly or indirectly, in the aforementioned felony crime and conspiracy in willful collaboration with the accused aforementioned outlaws in the mass media.

I have acquired much evidence to prove my meritorious criminal allegations. Moreover, henceforth, any public officers, employees and/or contractors who become aware of these felony allegations and information who refuses, neglects or otherwise fails to perform their duty to uniformly enforced the rule of law pursuant to this formal criminal complaint shall be deemed by this Federal/State victim-witness to be co-conspirators in said felony crime. I reserve my right to citizen arrest all accused felons herein named and their accomplices, cohorts and co-conspirators.

Executed this 26th day of August, 2007, with intent that an immediate criminal investigation be initiated and that all accused criminals and their cohorts be arrested and prosecuted pursuant to clearly established law bearing in mind that “no one is [supposed to be] above the law” regardless of how powerful, rich or well-connected they are.

Mark: Ted L. Gunderson, Federal and State Victim-Witness.

tedgunderson@email.com

www.tedgunderson.com

www.1-free-dvd.com

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COMMENTS by Clarence Douglas Malcolm. As the private criminal investigator for Gunderson & Associates Professional Investigations I am amazed at how effectively the American public has been dumbed-down, especially with regard to any knowledge of Law, the Federal Constitution, their respective State constitution and common law maxims.

The American Bar Association has succeeded quite well in monopolizing this knowledge for the exclusive financial benefit of their powerful private “special interest group.” This is why some people cannot recognize how felony crime and conspiracy is afoot by the mainstream mass media moguls to injure Dr. Ron Paul and the American people.

The elistist “billionaire boys club” of corporate media barons—only a few in number—have effectively MONOPOLIZED the entire mass media/news service industry for the benefit of their wealthy “social class” and they control the outcome of all elections in this nation with the tremendous power they enjoy via this outrageous and illegal MONOPOLY which definitely violates the letter, spirit and intent of our anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws!!!

Everyone who has read the criminal complaint executed by Ted Gunderson and me need to go study a few definitions from any good law dictionary (e.g. Black’s Law Dictionary) including: “monopoly”…”conspiracy”…”fraud”…”RICO” (organized “racketeering”)…then…they may begin to understand how diabolical and damaging the controlled media has become.


There is really no such thing as “free press” because it is owned by persons all belonging to the wealthy class of our society in America and they have an agenda…AS THEY ALSO HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE OR BREAK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES by how much coverage they provide them and by the quality of coverage provided. We need to take a hard look at what’s happening with Dr. Paul — at how these mass-media-moguls are controlling the outcome of elections in America . Look at the lies, the distortions, the OMMISSIONS and the boldface lies they perpetrate. This is not only unethical, immoral, unfair, unAmerican and antiAmerican, it is criminal and it constitutes a very real and intentional conspiracy against Dr. Paul and the American People who want fair and unbiased reporting.

The News Services have a moral duty to be impartial, ethical and honest in their reporting because the public has an continuing interest in the “news worthy” news they report. Ron Paul’s remarkable success in several straw polls deserves the same national publicity that Mitt Romney received when he purportedly won the Iowa Straw Poll. The opposite is happening, however, with regard to Ron Paul. He’s being wrongfully CENSORED.

Dr. Paul would definitely win the Republican nomination were he given the same special coverage afforded to Elitist-preferred lackeys: Romney, Guilliani and Hillary. The conspiracy is intended to promote the candidates PREFERRED by the media moguls (who establish the internal corporate policies for their respective media services) and ignore the candidates they least favor.

This is a terrible fraud against the American public who stupidly or unwittingly trust the news services to be honest and impartial — a blind trust for the most part. I feel sorry for those individuals who lack the insight and intelligence to recognized how the present corrupt media establishment is RIGGING and, in fact, powerfully CONTROLLING the outcome of U.S. elections. It is truly operating as a criminal enterprise.


RICO requires two or more predicate acts perpetrated in violation of federal law with a property nexus and involving two or more individuals acting in conspiracy to perpetrate the criminal acts. So, how is Ron Paul’s property rights being violated? C’mon…think… he’s applying for a job along with 9 [or whatever # it is now] other candidates on the Republican side…and that job is going to pay over $200,000 per year, the presidents salary!!! This is the “property” nexus. The media moguls are providing preferential treatment and financial support to those candidates who will promote their financial interests and agenda. A media conspiracy exists to deprive Dr. Ron Paul of his fair opportunity to acquire the “position” he is seeking within the “federal corporation.” That’s enough for now.

Wake Up! …and come to grips with the fact that America is a nation of corporations, by corporations and for corporations — benefitting Wall Street/Banking Interests…and Dr. Paul is a threat to this “establishment” because he does not hide the fact that when he becomes president he is going to put “We the People” FIRST… rather than last as the present situation exists.

BlueAngel
08-28-2007, 09:21 PM
Barbara wrote:
Here's a question for you, DA, what the hell do you care? If he should be jewish, which I seriously doubt, would it keep you from voting for him?

Here's a question for you, Barbara, why don't you just answer the question? Is it that difficult? Simple yes or no would suffice. Is Ron Paul Jewish? I don't vote for a candidate based on their heritage. You are projecting. Where is his biography?

For Constitutional conservatives there is only one candidate in the race on either side. If you are not a Constitutional conservative, the field is open, take your pick.

Personally, I would suspect someone like you of being a "sleeper" with your admitted background of mind control and sleeping with the enemy before I would Ron Paul, with a solid voting record that proves where he stands. Certainly your clumsy efforts to smear an honest man speaks volumes about you to your detriment while elevating your "target."

Personally, I don't care what you suspect. For you to imply that children who were traumatized, brutalized and victimized in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and forced against their own free will to sexually blackmail politicians, is considered, in your book, as sleeping with the enemy, only shows your lack of knowledge about the New World Order and how they operate. It also illuminates how you stoop to low-brow tactics when someone asks a simple question about Ron Paul or reveals intelligence about the NWO and how they operate regarding Presidential candidates. Intelligence of which I possess and YOU do not.

It is my considered opinion that you simply want attention and will stoop as low as it takes to get it. I find you personally distasteful from 99.9% of your posts; the fact is, you do not care about the Ron Paul candidacy, you have just found that there are those who do and you want to interject yourself using your low-brow tactics to draw attention to yourself.

Personally, I don't care what your opinion is of me. You are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing and that is drawing attention to ME instead of answering the questions. Again, I don't care that you find me personally distasteful. I'm not here to please you and neither is anyone else. Except for RedRat. I'm sure that if Ron Paul is a contender, my low brow tactics, as you call them, won't interfere; especially if he is a part of the "cult." Again, you are drawing attention to ME.

Having said that, I withdraw my attention from you. There will always be DAs like you around, useless eaters and ballast, at best, but there is only one Ron Paul; if we as a nation are very fortunate, he will be our next president, if not - I and hundreds of thousands, soon to be millions, like me can at least say we gave it our best shot.

Do you seriously think I'm looking for your attention? I am making comments as to my opinions about Ron Paul and asking questions. It has nothing to do with you. This isn't a Ron Paul forum. Every poster on this forum can express whatever opinion they desire about Ron Paul whether you like it or not. They can ask as many questions about a candidate as they choose. No one on this site is looking for Barbara's attention. Except for RedRat.

BlueAngel
08-28-2007, 10:21 PM
Don't bother replying, Barbara.

As you said, you were withdrawing your attention from me.

Please adhere to your proclamations.

Barbara
08-29-2007, 01:51 AM
Who would the world elect?

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/

Barbara
08-29-2007, 02:34 AM
Ron Paul sign on PRIVATE property - Fox News covered the dispute, if you can believe that. Great shots of the sign, too!


http://www.dailypaul.com/node/1642

Barbara
08-29-2007, 02:57 PM
Congressman: Stock Market Will Eventually Collapse

Ron Paul says martial law provisions in place to deal with economic discord

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, August 29, 2007


Texas Congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul says that attempts to rescue an ailing stock market last week, during which the Fed pumped in billions in liquidity, were merely a stop gap measure - and that an economic collapse is all but inevitable.

"They think that they can control it but eventually they can't, as powerful as they are eventually the markets are more powerful," the Congressman told the Alex Jones Show yesterday.

"The dollar can't be kept in check because eventually it will come unwound," he added. "But I think the most significant figure we've heard in the last few weeks is the measurement between 2000 - 2005, the clear cut admission that real income has gone down, which is a reflection of the dollar."

Paul explained that recent attempts to pump liquidity into the markets are only a temporary fix and that the long-term effects of doing so spell disaster for the economy.

"The dollar is plunging no matter what you read and hear about and no matter how hard they work to keep the bubble going the only way they can do that is creating more money....causing the dollar to go down even faster, the market seems to be reassured - there's a contrivance to try to hold this together....but it won't last, eventually it's going to collapse," said Paul.

The Texas Congressman cited the repeal of the Insurrection Act as opening the door to a declaration of national emergency and martial law which could be instituted for any number of reasons, including civil disobedience in the event of an economic downturn and a run on the banks.

"If in 6 months or a year there is total chaos who knows what they might try to do," said Paul.

The presidential candidate also slammed the abolition of Habeas Corpus as a "very dangerous sign" that plans were being laid for martial law.

"Why would they change them (the laws) if they didn't plan to use them," concluded Paul.

Suspicions were raised last week when a mystery trader risked billions of dollars after buying 245,000 put options on the Dow Jones Eurostoxx 50 index, in effect a speculation that the market would crash by a third before September 21st.

redrat11
08-29-2007, 05:21 PM
Barbara wrote:
Congressman: Stock Market Will Eventually Collapse

Ron Paul says martial law provisions in place to deal with economic discord

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, August 29, 2007


Texas Congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul says that attempts to rescue an ailing stock market last week, during which the Fed pumped in billions in liquidity, were merely a stop gap measure - and that an economic collapse is all but inevitable.

"They think that they can control it but eventually they can't, as powerful as they are eventually the markets are more powerful," the Congressman told the Alex Jones Show yesterday.

"The dollar can't be kept in check because eventually it will come unwound," he added. "But I think the most significant figure we've heard in the last few weeks is the measurement between 2000 - 2005, the clear cut admission that real income has gone down, which is a reflection of the dollar."

Paul explained that recent attempts to pump liquidity into the markets are only a temporary fix and that the long-term effects of doing so spell disaster for the economy.

"The dollar is plunging no matter what you read and hear about and no matter how hard they work to keep the bubble going the only way they can do that is creating more money....causing the dollar to go down even faster, the market seems to be reassured - there's a contrivance to try to hold this together....but it won't last, eventually it's going to collapse," said Paul.

The Texas Congressman cited the repeal of the Insurrection Act as opening the door to a declaration of national emergency and martial law which could be instituted for any number of reasons, including civil disobedience in the event of an economic downturn and a run on the banks.

"If in 6 months or a year there is total chaos who knows what they might try to do," said Paul.

The presidential candidate also slammed the abolition of Habeas Corpus as a "very dangerous sign" that plans were being laid for martial law.

"Why would they change them (the laws) if they didn't plan to use them," concluded Paul.

Suspicions were raised last week when a mystery trader risked billions of dollars after buying 245,000 put options on the Dow Jones Eurostoxx 50 index, in effect a speculation that the market would crash by a third before September 21st.


http://www.infowars.com/martiallaw.html

Who Knows????

Barbara
08-29-2007, 06:58 PM
High Risk Credit

by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, M.D. (R-TX)

August 20, 2007

As markets went on a rollercoaster ride last week, our economy is coming close to a day of reckoning for loose credit policies being followed by the Federal Reserve Bank. Simply, foreign banks we have been relying on to buy our debt are waking up to the reality of much higher default rates than predicted, and many mortgage backed securities have been reduced to “junk” ratings. Wall Street fears the possibility of tightening credit and the tightening of America’s belts. Why, they say, “if Americans spend only what they can afford, think of the ripple effects throughout the economy!” This is the cry, as the call comes for the fed to cut rates and bail out companies in trouble.

More inflation is, however, never the answer to inflation.

The truth is that business involves risk, and businesses that miscalculate risk should be liquidated, so their assets can be reallocated to businesses that correctly judge risk and make profits. Instead, the Fed has injected $64 billion into the jittery markets, effectively amounting to a bailout that keeps these malinvestments afloat, but eventually they will become the undoing of our economy.

In addition to the negative reactions in financial markets, many Americans have taken on too much personal debt owing to exotic mortgage products and artificially low interest rates. Unfortunately, these families are now in the position of losing their homes in unprecedented numbers as the teaser rates expire and the real bills are coming due.

The real answers are, and always have been, found in the principles of the free market. Let the market set the interest rates. If we had been functioning under a true and transparent free market system, we would not be in the mess we are in today. Government, like the American household, needs to live within its means to get back on stable fiscal ground.

We’ve been headed in the wrong direction since 1971. This week marks the 36th anniversary of Nixon’s decision to close the gold window, which convinced me to seek public office to call attention to the runaway money train that would come in the aftermath of that decision. The temptation to print and spend money with impunity, like the temptation to max out lines of credit, is too strong to for government to resist. While Nixon brokered exclusivity deals with OPEC to prop up demand for the tidal wave of green pieces of paper the Fed pumped into the markets, the world is tiring of marching to the beat of our drum in order to secure their energy needs. The house of cards Nixon built is now on the verge of collapsing on our heads, and on our children’s heads.

As the dollar weakens, it becomes ever clearer that we need a return to sound, commodity-based money for a secure future. Money based on real value, not empty promises and secretive backroom machinations, is the way to get out of the current calamity without causing even bigger problems.

source:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst082007.htm

Barbara
08-29-2007, 07:06 PM
A very telling post, RR11; while everybody is waiting for the big announcement on the boob tube, martial law just creeps up and before you know it, it's here.

Didn't Alex Jones have some video on this? Seems like I saw something on this a while back.

BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 07:24 PM
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BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 07:28 PM
If Ron Paul knows that "martial law" will take place upon an economic collapse, why doesn't he do something about it instead of merely informing.

Is he going to sit idly by as this happens, or save us?

redrat11
08-29-2007, 07:44 PM
Barbara wrote:
A very telling post, RR11; while everybody is waiting for the big announcement on the boob tube, martial law just creeps up and before you know it, it's here.

Didn't Alex Jones have some video on this? Seems like I saw something on this a while back.

Thx, Alot of people seem to think Alex is a government shill (maybe, maybe not) I like his 'information' on his websites, it may not expose the "true-criminals" but it does shine the light on our already fascist country.

redrat11
08-29-2007, 07:52 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
If Ron Paul knows that "martial law" will take place upon an economic collapse, why doesn't he do something about it instead of merely informing.

Is he going to sit idly by as this happens, or save us?


And just how is Ron Paul supposed to save the country, it is up to American Citizens to take responsibility for there own futures, this means being active in supporting people like R. Paul and others who support freedom, the country is'nt going to magically escape the looming disasters at hand, And just whose fault is it that were in this predictament in the first place? Could it be "WE THE PEOPLE" have let the scumbags twist and manipulate us into SHEEPLE?


It's just like in the old Soviet Union, when they started to round up people to the camps, the governement went quietly about there business behind the everday normal lives of the citizenry taking people away. Slowly but surely they grew into the millions, and it was TOO DAMM LATE to do anything about it.

BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 08:00 PM
Funny, RedRat, seems you have written all over this thread, Barbara, too, how Ron Paul is going to save us all!

Apparently, your faith will not be rewarded.

Actually, no, it's not the fault of we the people and the impending crisis' that await America and the world.

The people have no power.

They never have.

Congress represents that they represent the will of the people.

This is false.

They represent the will of the Secret government.

If you knew anything about the NWO, you would know this and wouldn't place blame on the citizen's of this country.

Obviously, you are just another one of the sheeple.

Barbara
08-29-2007, 08:23 PM
Bringing Politics Back to the People - The Do-It-Yourself Campaign of Ron Paul

Sean Scallon

August 28, 2007

In 1964, just before the New Hampshire primary, an average Joe named Paul Grindle didn’t particularly care for the choice of candidates running for the Republican nomination for President.

So he decided to run his own candidate for president.

With the help of a few friends and using the most sophisticated marketing techniques at the time, Grindle created a boomlet for Henry Cabot Lodge, former Massachusetts U.S. Senator, 1960 GOP Vice-Presidential candidate and then the U.S. ambassador to South Vietnam. Lodge wasn’t running for anything, his name wasn’t even on the New Hampshire ballot. Grindle and his friends mailed out postcards to New Hampshire Republicans to find out if there was support for Lodge which they found out there was. Then they mailed out fliers for Lodge, letters for Lodge and pamphlets demonstrating how to write Lodge’s name on the ballot. They even opened a headquarters for him in Concord.

All that postage spent for eventually paid off. Lodge won the New Hampshire Primary with a write-in vote, beating out that year’s eventual GOP nominee Barry Goldwater and former Vice-President Nelson Rockefeller despite all their money, all their TV ads and vast campaign apparatuses deployed in the Granite State.

Of course it helped Grindle that so many New Hampshire Republicans wanted someone other than Rockefeller and Goldwater, he just simply provided another candidate. But Grindle’s effort also goes to show that politics does not have to be “game” played only by a few professionals, or the hacks or even the wealthy. Sometimes, even the “average Joe” can play too if they have the knowledge, the gumption and a little luck.

It’s that same “do-it-yourself” spirit that Grindle showed 43 years ago that’s a part of Congressman Ron Paul’s run for the White House today.

Forget the all internet activity, You Tube videos, or Facebook pages for a moment and focus on meat-and-potatoes politicking. Out of all the candidates running for President in 2008, who among them has supporters willing to hang signs on freeway overpasses, to stand with signs outside events whatever the weather, who will volunteer their time to make phone calls or write letters to voters or do lit drops as well? Who among the candidates has supporters willing to pay for advertising in newspapers and radio out of their own pocket or are willing to write scripts for cable TV ads? Who among the candidates has supporters so dedicated that they attend his rallies thousands of miles from home?

The Ron Paul campaign isn’t spending a lot of money right now because they don’t have to. The spending time, money and talent coming from Ron Paul supporters across the country is cash one cannot measure but has become important to the credibility of the campaign. You cannot write off Ron Paul because he has thousands of supporters in all 50 states willing to do things on their own initiative while other campaigns simply spend money on TV ads or give handouts to voters like free bus trips, straw poll tickets and meals. Indeed, former Massachusetts Governor Willard Romney’s campaign has become a literal welfare agency in order to win votes.

Ron Paul supporters don’t need handouts to vote for him at local straw poll. They don’t need orders from the central campaign office either. Much of what is done for Ron Paul by his supporters is done upon their own ideas and their own initiative. For example, two weeks before the Iowa Straw Poll, Ron Paul supporters set up an account through Pay Pal.com to pool their money to buy advertising on Iowa radio stations and newspapers. One person made the ads buys, a few enterprising fellows came up with the idea for the ads (including a beautiful mosaic ad of Ron Paul’s head made up of pictures from thousands of supporters across the country with the Constitution itself as a backdrop.) and before the official campaign came up with their own radio and TV ads, Ron Paul’s message was being heard on the airwaves and in the pages. Plans are afoot to do the same in New Hampshire and Iowa again and to expand to television as well. All on their own they did this. That’s how devoted they are. As Ron Paul himself said. “I didn’t start a campaign, I joined a campaign.” Like the Minutemen of Lexington and Concord of old, Ron Paul supporters do not need “orders” to shoot the Redcoats. All they needed were their rifles.

Candidates for President aren’t elected in vacuums. Powerful cultural forces pull them towards the White House. If Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, goes on to win the Presidency itself, it will be because American voters begin to admire the plucky resolve and selfless determination of Ron Paul supporters, who created a campaign virtually from scratch of their own time, effort and resources and want to capture that spirit for themselves and recapture it for the nation.

Since 9-11, a whole nation wanted to do something, anything to help with the war efforts. A whole nation wanted some sense of pulling together and working together to help a country in distress. They wanted time to go back to World War II, where food was rationed, gas was rationed, rubber drives organized, scrap drives organized, where people joined the Red Cross or the USO, or civil defense organizations, all of this done to help with the war effort in any way possible. To be a slacker back then - if you weren’t fighting or doing something to help our “boys” overseas – was as bad a form of treason as “loose lips sink ships.” And yet did we go back after 9-11? No. Care packages, yellow ribbons pen pal letters to troops and greeters at the airport are important and nice gestures, but one doesn’t get the sense a whole nation has been mobilized to do so. No, instead, after 9-11, President Bush II told Americans they ought go out and buy more stuff. No calls for sacrifice were made.

War wasn’t declared in Congress; just a resolution calling for military action was passed. They also pass resolutions on Capitol Hill to the declare National Pickle Day as well. That’s how much importance they gave to this cause. No draft of any kind was issued, so the many millions who could fight instead stayed at home to watch the war on TV while those who did volunteer fought the war in their stead. Or when things weren’t going well, they could ignore what was happening overseas completely and go back to whatever it was they were doing on Sept. 10, 2001 as if time simply skipped over that day.

People wanted to help. They waited for orders to come from on high and yet such orders never came. Instead all they saw was a war turning sour because of the incompetence of the people in charge. Then they saw a great city destroyed by a natural disaster and saw that same government bumble the aftermath and reconstruction. That made it hard to help those who needed it and only wasted the energy of those who gave of their time and effort to help with the clean-up. So where does all that energy go when its not be used? When it’s being left to dissipate on the sidelines and all that’s left is anger and bitterness at the authorities for their incompetence and their mismanagement?

Well some have decided they aren’t going to wait for “orders” anymore. Some have decided on their own that they are going try and elect a man they believe is going to change things for the better. And whether or not Ron Paul could make such changes if he was elected President or get them through Congress really doesn’t matter when you think about it. Just getting to that point will show that the nation has recaptured the do-it-yourself spirit that helped to found the country in the first place.

Many books have been written about how alienated the average voter is from politics with detailed explanations as to why. Yet all of them miss this essential point: People feel alienated to something when they believe that nothing they do concerning it matters because they are removed and remote to it. As politics has become a “game” played by rich people and slick hustlers and where the game board is a television screen, voters just watch it all from a distance. They’re no longer a part of the process, just stage props for photos ops.

Once upon a time an “average Joe” could be a precinct captain. He could stuff mailers or put up signs in his neighborhood working for the political machine or his wife could host a coffee klatch or baby-sit at campaign headquarters. Now people are paid to do things like this. Politicians all like to talk about grassroots support but very few campaigns use volunteer labor like they once did. Once upon a time the presidential campaigns of Barry Goldwater and George McGovern and Ronald Reagan were made possible by such grassroots support but in this day and age, only the late U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone really had an “army” of average people volunteering their time for him with their undying loyalty.

If more campaigns were as volunteer orientated as Ron Paul’s, perhaps voters would feel that connection with politics again and would use that untapped energy for a cause they believed in and one they didn’t need to be “directed” at. And if all that happened in the future, then Ron Paul’s campaign will be a success well past 2008.

Sean Scallon is a freelance writer and journalist from Arkansaw, Wisconsin

BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 08:31 PM
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BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 08:52 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Ron Paul Watch (http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Ron_Paul_brings_back_a_whacky_post_911_bill.html)


Is Ron Paul a phony? (zionist stooge?) :-?

Why would a SENIOR MEMBER OF CONGRESS issue such a proposal? knowing full well AL-Queda is a U.S. Government creation?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3216:




http://www.iamthewitness.com/index.html

redrat11
08-29-2007, 09:12 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Ron Paul Watch (http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Ron_Paul_brings_back_a_whacky_post_911_bill.html)


Is Ron Paul a phony? (zionist stooge?) :-?

Why would a SENIOR MEMBER OF CONGRESS issue such a proposal? knowing full well AL-Queda is a U.S. Government creation?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3216:




http://www.iamthewitness.com/index.html


BA, your missing my point of view on Ron Paul, when I first wrote this thread up I was'nt sure whether R. Paul was for real or not, I was not certain since every politician alive had sold his soul to the Devil it seems.

I've now come to learn that R. Paul is the real deal, Yes, you can point out the absurd fact of his wanting too hunt down Al-Queda, but, in the end, do you want someone who can (with millions of supporters) change this country for the better?

It will take not only R. Paul, but his growing legion of supporters to change things, does this upset your "status-qou"? You can mock R. Paul all you want, none of your accusations will stick, maybe you want the welfare/warfare state of things to continue, MILLIONS OF R. PAUL SUPPORTERS DO NOT! And I am a FREE THINKER, if I find any deception in his past or present I will post it here, with or without your approval or opinions.






Night

BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 10:24 PM
For you to think that I would be happy for everything to remain the same, status quo, only illuminates your ignorance as to who I am and what I stand for.

For you to believe that Ron Paul is going to deliver us from evil only proves your ignorance as to how the NWO operates.

No problem!

That's why I'm here.

To shine a light for all to see!

To ILLUMINATE for those who live in the dark.

It's my job, and I do it well.

Thank You!

I have more to come regarding Ron Paul's legislation requiring Congress to vote on an Iraq Declaration of War.

Stay tuned!

I'm not accusing Ron Paul of anything.

I'm simply asking questions and imparting my intelligence as to how their puppets operate for them.

I really don't think ClubConspiracy is going to make or break Ron Paul.

Lighten up, Dude!

BlueAngel
08-29-2007, 11:28 PM
Okay, as I promised.

According to the Constitution of the United States of America, Congress is responsible for instituting a Declaration of War.

Congress

The Constitution of the United States gives Congress alone the authority to formally declare war. But in several past conflicts Congress has relinquished this authority to the president. In fact, Congress has not issued a formal declaration of war since World War II.

The president

The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a "state of war" initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle. President Bush has also stated that his powers as commander-in-chief allow him to act independently in defense of the nation.

The president did not seek a formal declaration of war from Congress. But he did seek congressional support, he said, to demonstrate to the United Nations and to the world that military action against Iraq was not just his own objective; it was a view supported by the American electorate as a whole. Strategically, support from the legislators bolstered the president's case as he pressed the UN Security Council for a resolution authorizing military force in Iraq.

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Now comes Ron Paul's role.

Ron Paul was responsible for legislation forcing the Congress to vote on a Declaration of War against Iraq.

In order to prevent Congress from yielding its constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not constitutionally hold that power, Paul introduced legislation in October 2002 giving Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war. He said he would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war. In a hearing on the resolution, Republican Rep. Henry Hyde said, "There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of them. There are things no longer relevant to a modern society. Why declare war if you don’t have to? We are saying to the President, use your judgment. So, to demand that we declare war is to strengthen something to death. You have got a hammerlock on this situation, and it is not called for. Inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn’t done anymore."[58]

As one of six Republicans to vote against the Iraq War Resolution, Paul inspired the founding of a group called the National Peace Lobby Project to promote a resolution he and Oregon representative Peter DeFazio sponsored to repeal the war authorization in February 2003. His column "35 Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq"[62] was translated and published in German, French, Russian, Italian, and Swiss publications before the Iraq War began.[56]

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Ron Paul created the war authorization resolution that allowed Congress to vote for a declaration of war against Iraq. He told his constituents to vote their conscious; although he did not vote for the war.

Why did he introduce the legislation?

So that the President could be held harmless and the blame would rest on Congress' shoulders and Paul would be held harmless because he did not vote for the declaration, but only introduced the legislation.

Did he introduce this legislation knowing full well Congress would vote for a declaration of war with the "false" intelligence they received?

Sleight of hand.

Later, in 2003, Paul promoted a resolution to repeal the war authorization.

Was it repealed?

First he institutes it and then he attempts to repeal it!

What?

I guess the legislation served its' intended purpose.

BlueAngel
08-30-2007, 12:01 AM
If someone promises you a rose garden, remember it is laced with thorns.

My assessment of Ron Paul:

According to the Constitution of the United States of America, Congress is responsible for instituting a Declaration of War.

Congress

The Constitution of the United States gives Congress alone the authority to formally declare war. But in several past conflicts Congress has relinquished this authority to the president. In fact, Congress has not issued a formal declaration of war since World War II.

The president

The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a "state of war" initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle. President Bush has also stated that his powers as commander-in-chief allow him to act independently in defense of the nation.

The president did not seek a formal declaration of war from Congress. But he did seek congressional support, he said, to demonstrate to the United Nations and to the world that military action against Iraq was not just his own objective; it was a view supported by the American electorate as a whole. Strategically, support from the legislators bolstered the president's case as he pressed the UN Security Council for a resolution authorizing military force in Iraq.

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Now comes Ron Paul's role.

Ron Paul was responsible for legislation forcing the Congress to vote on a Declaration of War against Iraq.

In order to prevent Congress from yielding its constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not constitutionally hold that power, Paul introduced legislation in October 2002 giving Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war. He said he would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war. In a hearing on the resolution, Republican Rep. Henry Hyde said, "There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of them. There are things no longer relevant to a modern society. Why declare war if you don’t have to? We are saying to the President, use your judgment. So, to demand that we declare war is to strengthen something to death. You have got a hammerlock on this situation, and it is not called for. Inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn’t done anymore."[58]

As one of six Republicans to vote against the Iraq War Resolution, Paul inspired the founding of a group called the National Peace Lobby Project to promote a resolution he and Oregon representative Peter DeFazio sponsored to repeal the war authorization in February 2003. His column "35 Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq"[62] was translated and published in German, French, Russian, Italian, and Swiss publications before the Iraq War began.[56]

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Ron Paul created the war authorization resolution that allowed Congress to vote for a declaration of war against Iraq. He told his constituents to vote their conscious; although he did not vote for the war.

Why did he introduce the legislation?

So that the President could be held harmless and the blame would rest on Congress' shoulders and Paul would be held harmless because he did not vote for the declaration, but only introduced the legislation.

Did he introduce this legislation knowing full well Congress would vote for a declaration of war with the "false" intelligence they received?

Sleight of hand.

Later, in 2003, Paul promoted a resolution to repeal the war authorization.

Was it repealed?

First he institutes it and then he attempts to repeal it!

What?

I guess the legislation served its' intended purpose.

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He would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

Ron Paul introduced a bill he would not vote for, but advised his fellow members of Congress who wished to go to war in Iraq that they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

MY!! He suggests that his fellow members of Congress declare war.

Seems Ron Paul was instrumental in waging the War in Iraq.

He introduces a bill of which he does not support, but suggests to his fellow members of Congress that they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

I am of the opinion that Ron Paul is a puppet on a string doing dirty work for the "secret government."

If not for Ron Paul, President Bush alone would have declared war on Iraq and the American people would not hold Congress responsible.

Yep! Ron Paul served his masters.

Otherwise, there may have been a chance in hell of impeaching Bush on his actions alone. However, he did not act alone, all courtesy of Ron Paul.

Because of Ron Paul's legislation, the US Congress gave BUSH all the amunition he needed to invade Iraq and be held harmless.

With Ron Paul's NO vote, he appears to have removed himself from the pivotal role of which he played regarding the United States invasion of Iraq.

BlueAngel
08-30-2007, 12:23 AM
By the way, this is a conspiracy forum and not a presidential candidate's podium.

Barbara
08-30-2007, 01:10 AM
Sorry, Mr. Franklin, “We’re All Democrats Now”

by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, M.D. (R-TX)

Introduction

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Benjamin Franklin told an inquisitive citizen that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention gave the people “a Republic, if you can keep it.” We should apologize to Mr. Franklin. It is obvious that the Republic is gone, for we are wallowing in a pure democracy against which the Founders had strongly warned.

Madison, the father of the Constitution, could not have been more explicit in his fear and concern for democracies. “Democracies,” he said, “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.”

If Madison’s assessment was correct, it behooves those of us in Congress to take note and decide, indeed, whether the Republic has vanished, when it occurred, and exactly what to expect in the way of “turbulence, contention, and violence.” And above all else, what can we and what will we do about it?

The turbulence seems self-evident. Domestic welfare programs are not sustainable and do not accomplish their stated goals. State and federal spending and deficits are out of control. Terrorism and uncontrollable fear undermine our sense of well-being. Hysterical reactions to dangers not yet seen prompt the people - at the prodding of the politicians - to readily sacrifice their liberties in vain hope that someone else will take care of them and guarantee their security. With these obvious signs of a failed system all around us, there seems to be more determination than ever to antagonize the people of the world by pursuing a world empire. Nation building, foreign intervention, preemptive war, and global government drive our foreign policy. There seems to be complete aversion to defending the Republic and the Constitution that established it.

The Founders clearly understood the dangers of a democracy. Edmund Randolph of Virginia described the effort to deal with the issue at the Constitutional Convention: “The general object was to produce a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origins, every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.”

These strongly held views regarding the evils of democracy and the benefits of a Constitutional Republic were shared by all the Founders. For them, a democracy meant centralized power, controlled by majority opinion, which was up for grabs and therefore completely arbitrary.

In contrast, a Republic was decentralized and representative in nature, with the government’s purpose strictly limited by the Constitution to the protection of liberty and private property ownership. They believed the majority should never be able to undermine this principle and that the government must be tightly held in check by constitutional restraints. The difference between a democracy and a republic was simple. Would we live under the age-old concept of the rule of man or the enlightened rule of law?

A constitution in and by itself does not guarantee liberty in a republican form of government. Even a perfect constitution with this goal in mind is no better than the moral standards and desires of the people. Although the United States Constitution was by far the best ever written for the protection of liberty, with safeguards against the dangers of a democracy, it too was flawed from the beginning. Instead of guaranteeing liberty equally for all people, the authors themselves yielded to the democratic majority’s demands that they compromise on the issue of slavery. This mistake, plus others along the way, culminated in a Civil War that surely could have been prevented with clearer understanding and a more principled approach to the establishment of a constitutional republic.

Subsequently, the same urge to accommodate majority opinion, while ignoring the principles of individual liberty, led to some other serious errors. Even amending the Constitution in a proper fashion to impose alcohol prohibition turned out to be a disaster. Fortunately this was rectified after a short time with its repeal.

But today, the American people accept drug prohibition, a policy as damaging to liberty as alcohol prohibition. A majority vote in Congress has been enough to impose this very expensive and failed program on the American people, without even bothering to amend the Constitution. It has been met with only minimal but, fortunately, growing dissent. For the first 150 years of our history, when we were much closer to being a true republic, there were no federal laws dealing with this serious medical problem of addiction.

The ideas of democracy, not the principles of liberty, were responsible for passage of the 16th Amendment. It imposed the income tax on the American people and helped to usher in the modern age of the welfare/warfare state. Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment has not been repealed, as was the 18th. As long as the 16th Amendment is in place, the odds are slim that we can restore a constitutional republic dedicated to liberty. The personal income tax is more than symbolic of a democracy; it is a predictable consequence.

Transition to Democracy

The transition from republic to democracy was gradual and insidious. It seeds were sown early in our history. In many ways, the Civil War and its aftermath laid the foundation for the acute erosion that took place over the entire 20th century. Chronic concern about war and economic downturns- events caused by an intrusive government’s failure to follow the binding restraints of the Constitution- allowed majority demands to supersede the rights of the minority. By the end of the 20th century, majority opinion had become the determining factor in all that government does. The rule of law was cast aside, leaving the Constitution a shell of what it once was- a Constitution with rules that guaranteed a republic with limited and regional government and protection of personal liberty. The marketplace, driven by voluntary cooperation, private property ownership, and sound money was severely undermined with the acceptance of the principles of a true democracy.

Unfortunately, too many people confuse the democratic elections of leaders of a republic for democracy by accepting the rule of majority opinion in all affairs. For majorities to pick leaders is one thing. It is something quite different for majorities to decide what rights are, to redistribute property, to tell people how to manage their personal lives, and to promote undeclared, unconstitutional wars.

The majority is assumed to be in charge today and can do whatever it pleases. If the majority has not yet sanctioned some desired egregious action demanded by special interests, the propaganda machine goes into operation, and the pollsters relay the results back to the politicians who are seeking legitimacy in their endeavors. The rule of law and the Constitution have become irrelevant, and we live by constant polls.

This trend toward authoritarian democracy was tolerated because, unlike a military dictatorship, it was done in the name of benevolence, fairness, and equity. The pretense of love and compassion by those who desire to remold society and undermine the Constitution convinced the recipients, and even the victims, of its necessity. Since it was never a precipitous departure from the republic, the gradual erosion of liberty went unnoticed.

But it is encouraging that more and more citizens are realizing just how much has been lost by complacency. The resolution to the problems we face as a result of this profound transition to pure democracy will be neither quick nor painless. This transition has occurred even though the word “democracy” does not appear in the Constitution or in the Declaration of Independence, and the Founders explicitly denounced it.

Over the last hundred years, the goal of securing individual liberties within the framework of a constitutional republic has been replaced with incessant talk of democracy and fairness.

Rallying support for our ill-advised participation in World War I, Wilson spoke glowingly of “making the world safe for democracy,” and never mentioned national security. This theme has, to this day, persisted in all our foreign affairs. Neo-conservatives now brag of their current victories in promoting what they call “Hard Wilsonism.”

A true defense of self-determination for all people, the necessary ingredient of a free society, is ignored. Self-determination implies separation of smaller government from the larger entities that we witnessed in the breakup of the Soviet Union. This notion contradicts the goal of pure democracy and world government. A single world government is the ultimate goal of all social egalitarians who are unconcerned with liberty.

Current Understanding

Today the concepts of rights and property ownership are completely arbitrary. Congress, the courts, presidents and bureaucrats arbitrarily “legislate” on a daily basis, seeking only the endorsement of the majority. Although the republic was designed to protect the minority against the dictates of the majority, today we find the reverse. The republic is no longer recognizable.

Supporters of democracy are always quick to point out one of the perceived benefits of this system is the redistribution of wealth by government force to the poor. Although this may be true in limited fashion, the champions of this system never concern themselves with the victims from whom the wealth is stolen. The so-called benefits are short-lived, because democracy consumes wealth with little concern for those who produce it. Eventually the programs cannot be funded, and the dependency that has developed precipitates angry outcries for even more “fairness.” Since reversing the tide against liberty is so difficult, this unworkable system inevitably leads to various forms of tyranny.

As our republic crumbles, voices of protest grow louder. The central government becomes more authoritarian with each crisis. As the quality of education plummets, the role of the federal government is expanded. As the quality of medical care collapses, the role of the federal government in medicine is greatly increased. Foreign policy failures precipitate cries for more intervention abroad and an even greater empire. Cries for security grow louder, and concern for liberty languishes.

Attacks on our homeland prompt massive increase in the bureaucracy to protect us from all dangers, seen and imagined. The prime goal and concern of the Founders, the protection of liberty, is ignored. Those expressing any serious concern for personal liberty are condemned for their self-centeredness and their lack of patriotism.

Even if we could defeat al Qaeda- which surely is a worthwhile goal- it would do little to preserve our liberties, while ignoring the real purpose of our government. Another enemy would surely replace it, just as the various groups of barbarians never left the Roman Empire alone once its internal republican structure collapsed.

Democracy Subverts Liberty and Undermines Prosperity

Once it becomes acceptable to change the rules by majority vote, there are no longer any limits on the power of the government. When the Constitution can be subverted by mere legislative votes, executive orders or judicial decrees, constitutional restraints on the government are eliminated. This process was rare in the early years of our history, but now it is routine.

Democracy is promoted in the name of fairness in an effort to help some special-interest group gain a benefit that it claims it needs or is entitled to. If only one small group were involved, nothing would come of the demands. But coalitions develop, and the various groups ban together to form a majority to vote themselves all those things that they expect others to provide for them.

Although the motivating factor is frequently the desire for the poor to better themselves through the willingness of others to sacrifice for what they see as good cause, the process is doomed to failure. Governments are inefficient and the desired goals are rarely achieved. Administrators, who benefit, perpetuate the programs. Wealthy elites learn to benefit from the system in a superior fashion over the poor, because they know how to skim the cream off the top of all the programs designed for the disadvantaged. They join the various groups in producing the majority vote needed to fund their own special projects.

Public financing of housing, for instance, benefits builders, bureaucrats, insurance companies, and financial institutions, while the poor end up in drug-infested, crime-ridden housing projects. For the same reason, not only do business leaders not object to the system, but they also become strong supporters of welfare programs and foreign aid. Big business strongly supports programs like the Export/Import Bank, the IMF, the World Bank, farm subsidies, and military adventurism. Tax-code revisions and government contracts mean big profits for those who are well-connected. Concern for individual liberty is pushed to the bottom of the priority list for both the poor and rich welfare recipients.

Prohibitions placed in the Constitution against programs that serve special interests are the greatest threat to the current system of democracy under which we operate. In order for the benefits to continue, politicians must reject the rule of law and concern themselves only with the control of majority opinion. Sadly, that is the job of almost all politicians. It is clearly the motivation behind the millions spent on constant lobbying, as well as the billions spent on promoting the right candidates in each election. Those who champion liberty are rarely heard from. The media, banking, insurance, airlines, transportations, financial institutions, government employees, the military-industrial complex, the educational system, and the medical community are all dependent on government appropriations, resulting in a high-stakes system of government.

Democracy encourages the mother of all political corruption- the use of political money to buy influence. If the dollars spent in this effort represent the degree to which democracy has won out over the rule of law and the Constitution, it looks like the American republic is left wanting. Billions are spent on the endeavor.

Money in politics is the key to implementing policy and swaying democratic majorities. It is seen by most Americans, and rightly so, as a negative and a danger. Yet the response, unfortunately, is only more of the same. More laws tinkering with freedom of expression are enacted, in hopes that regulating sums of private money thrown into the political system will curtail the abuse. But failing to understand the cause of the problem, lack of respect for the Constitution, and obsession with legislative relativity dictated by the majority serve only to further undermine the rule of law.

We were adequately warned about the problem. Democracies lead to chaos, violence and bankruptcy. The demands of the majority are always greater than taxation alone can provide. Therefore, control over the monetary and banking system is required for democracies to operate. It was no accident in 1913, when the dramatic shift toward a democracy became pronounced, that the Federal Reserve was established. A personal income tax was imposed as well. At the same time, popular election of Senators was instituted, and our foreign policy became aggressively interventionist. Even with an income tax, the planners for war and welfare (a guns and butter philosophy) knew that it would become necessary to eliminate restraints on the printing of money. Private counterfeiting was a heinous crime, but government counterfeit and fractional-reserve banking were required to seductively pay for the majority’s demands. It is for this reason that democracies always bring about currency debasement through inflation of the money supply.

Some of the planners of today clearly understand the process and others, out of ignorance, view central-bank money creation as a convenience with little danger. That’s where they are wrong. Even though the wealthy and the bankers support paper money- believing they know how to protect against its ill effects- many of them are eventually dragged down in the economic downturns that always develop.

It’s not a new era that they have created for us today, but more of the same endured throughout history by so many other nations. The belief that democratic demands can be financed by deficits, credit creation and taxation is based on false hope and failure to see how it contributes to the turbulence as the democracy collapses.

Once a nation becomes a democracy, the whole purpose of government changes. Instead of the government’s goal being that of guaranteeing liberty, equal justice, private property, and voluntary exchange, the government embarks on the impossible task of achieving economic equality, micromanaging the economy, and protecting citizens from themselves and all their activities. The destruction of the wealth-building process, which is inherent in a free society, is never anticipated. Once it’s realized that it has been undermined, it is too late to easily reverse the attacks against limited government and personal liberty.

Democracy, by necessity, endorses special-interest interventionism, inflationism, and corporatism. In order to carry out the duties now expected of the government, power must be transferred from the citizens to the politicians. The only thing left is to decide which group or groups have the greatest influence over the government officials. As the wealth of the nation dwindles, competition between the special-interest groups grows more intense and becomes the dominant goal of political action. Restoration of liberty, the market and personal responsibility are of little interest and are eventually seen as impractical.

Power and public opinion become crucial factors in determining the direction of all government expenditures. Although both major parties now accept the principles of rule by majority and reject the rule of law, the beneficiaries for each party are generally different- although they frequently overlap. Propaganda, demagoguery, and control of the educational system and the media are essential to directing the distribution of the loot the government steals from those who are still honestly working for a living.

The greater problem is that nearly everyone receives some government benefit, and at the same time contributes to the Treasury. Most hope they will get back more than they pay in and, therefore, go along with the firmly entrenched system. Others, who understand and would choose to opt out and assume responsibility for themselves, aren’t allowed to and are forced to participate. The end only comes with a collapse of the system, since a gradual and logical reversal of the inexorable march toward democratic socialism is unachievable.

Soviet-style communism dramatically collapsed once it was recognized that it could no longer function and a better system replaced it. It became no longer practical to pursue token reforms like those that took place over its 70-year history.

The turmoil and dangers of pure democracy are known. We should get prepared. But it will be the clarity with which we plan its replacement that determines the amount of pain and suffering endured during the transition to another system. Hopefully, the United States Congress and other government leaders will come to realize the seriousness of our current situation and replace the business-as-usual attitude, regardless of political demands and growing needs of a boisterous majority. Simply stated, our wealth is running out, and the affordability of democracy is coming to an end.

History reveals that once majorities can vote themselves largesse, the system is destined to collapse from within. But in order to maintain the special-interest system for as long as possible, more and more power must be given to an ever-expanding central government-which of course only makes matters worse.

The economic shortcomings of such a system are easily understood. What is too often ignored is that the flip side of delivering power to government is the loss of liberty to the individual. This loss of liberty causes exactly what the government doesn’t want- less productive citizens who cannot pay taxes.

Even before 9/11, these trends were in place and proposals were abundant for restraining liberty. Since 9/11, the growth of centralized government and the loss of privacy and personal freedoms have significantly accelerated.

It is in dealing with homeland defense and potential terrorist attacks that the domestic social programs and the policy of foreign intervention are coming together and precipitating a rapid expansion of the state and erosion of liberty. Like our social welfarism at home, our foreign meddling and empire building abroad are a consequence of our becoming a pure democracy.

Foreign Affairs and Democracy

The dramatic shift away from republicanism that occurred in 1913, as expected, led to a bold change of purpose in foreign affairs. The goal of “making the world safe for democracy” was forcefully put forth by President Wilson. Protecting national security had become too narrow a goal and selfish in purpose. An obligation for spreading democracy became a noble obligation backed by a moral commitment, every bit as utopian as striving for economic equality in an egalitarian society here at home.

With the growing affection for democracy, it was no giant leap to assume that majority opinion should mold personal behavior. It was no mere coincidence that the 18th Amendment- alcohol prohibition- was passed in 1919.

Ever since 1913, all our presidents have endorsed meddling in the internal affairs of other nations and have given generous support to the notion that a world government would facilitate the goals of democratic welfare or socialism. On a daily basis, we hear that we must be prepared to spend our money and use our young people to police the entire world in order to spread democracy. Whether in Venezuela or Columbia, Afghanistan or Pakistan, Iraq or Iran, Korea or Vietnam, our intervention is always justified with a tone of moral arrogance that “it’s for their own good.”

Our policymakers promote democracy as a cure-all for the various complex problems of the world. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine is able to hide the real reasons for our empire building. “Promoting democracy” overseas merely becomes a slogan for doing things that the powerful and influential strive to do for their own benefit. To get authority for these overseas pursuits, all that is required of the government is that the majority be satisfied with the stated goals- no matter how self-serving they may be. The rule of law, that is, constitutional restraint, is ignored. But as successful as the policy may be on the short run and as noble as it may be portrayed, it is a major contributing factor to the violence and chaos that eventually come from pure democracy.

There is abundant evidence that the pretense of spreading democracy contradicts the very policies we are pursuing. We preach about democratic elections, but we are only too willing to accept some for-the-moment friendly dictator who actually overthrew a democratically elected leader or to interfere in some foreign election.

This is the case with Pakistan’s Mushariff. For a temporary alliance, he reaps hundreds of millions of dollars, even though strong evidence exists that the Pakistanis have harbored and trained al Qaeda terrorists, that they have traded weapons with North Korea, and that they possess weapons of mass destruction. No one should be surprised that the Arabs are confused by our overtures of friendship. We have just recently promised $28 billion to Turkey to buy their support for Persian Gulf War II.

Our support of Saudi Arabia, in spite of its ties to al Qaeda through financing and training, is totally ignored by those obsessed with going to war against Iraq. Saudi Arabia is the furthest thing from a democracy. As a matter of fact, if democratic elections were permitted, the Saudi government would be overthrown by a bin Laden ally.

Those who constantly preach global government and democracy ought to consider the outcome of their philosophy in a hypothetical Mid-East regional government. If these people were asked which country in this region possesses weapons of mass destruction, has a policy of oppressive occupation, and constantly defies UN Security council resolutions, the vast majority would overwhelmingly name Israel. Is this ludicrous? No, this is what democracy is all about and what can come from a one-man, one-vote philosophy.

U.S. policy supports the overthrow of the democratically elected Chavez government in Venezuela, because we don’t like the economic policy it pursues. We support a military takeover as long as the new dictator will do as we tell him.

There is no creditability in our contention that we really want to impose democracy on other nations. Yet promoting democracy is the public justification for our foreign intervention. It sounds so much nicer than saying we’re going to risk the lives of our young people and massively tax our citizens to secure the giant oil reserves in Iraq.

After we take over Iraq, how long would one expect it to take until there are authentic nationwide elections in that country? The odds of that happening in even a hundred years are remote. It’s virtually impossible to imagine a time when democratic elections would ever occur for the election of leaders in a constitutional republic dedicated for protection of liberty any place in the region.

Foreign Policy, Welfare, and 9/11

The tragedy of 9/11 and its aftermath dramatize so clearly how a flawed foreign policy has served to encourage the majoritarians determined to run everyone’s life.

Due to its natural inefficiencies and tremendous costs, a failing welfare state requires an ever-expanding authoritarian approach to enforce mandates, collect the necessary revenues, and keep afloat an unworkable system. Once the people grow to depend on government subsistence, they demand its continuation.

Excessive meddling in the internal affairs of other nations and involving ourselves in every conflict around the globe has not endeared the United States to the oppressed of the world. The Japanese are tired of us. The South Koreans are tired of us. The Europeans are tired of us. The Central Americans are tired of us. The Filipinos are tired of us. And above all, the Arab Muslims are tired of us.

Angry and frustrated by our persistent bullying and disgusted with having their own government bought and controlled by the United States, joining a radical Islamic movement was a natural and predictable consequence for Muslims.

We believe bin Laden when he takes credit for an attack on the West, and we believe him when he warns us of an impending attack. But we refuse to listen to his explanation of why he and his allies are at war with us.

Bin Laden’s claims are straightforward. The U.S. defiles Islam with military bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands. There will be no peace in the world for the next 50 years or longer if we refuse to believe why those who are attacking us do it.

To dismiss terrorism as the result of Muslims hating us because we’re rich and free is one of the greatest foreign-policy frauds ever perpetrated on the American people. Because the propaganda machine, the media, and the government have restated this so many times, the majority now accept it at face value. And the administration gets the political cover it needs to pursue a “holy” war for democracy against the infidels who hate us for our goodness.

Polling on the matter is followed closely and, unfortunately, is far more important than the rule of law. Do we hear the pundits talk of constitutional restraints on the Congress and the administration? No, all we ever hear are reassurances that the majority supports the President; therefore it must be all right.

The terrorists’ attacks on us, though never justified, are related to our severely flawed foreign policy of intervention. They also reflect the shortcomings of a bureaucracy that is already big enough to know everything it needs to know about any impending attack but too cumbersome to do anything about it. Bureaucratic weaknesses within a fragile welfare state provide a prime opportunity for those whom we antagonize through our domination over world affairs and global wealth to take advantage of our vulnerability.

But what has been our answer to the shortcomings of policies driven by manipulated majority opinion by the powerful elite? We have responded by massively increasing the federal government’s policing activity to hold American citizens in check and make sure we are well-behaved and pose no threat, while massively expanding our aggressive presence around the world. There is no possible way these moves can make us more secure against terrorism, yet they will accelerate our march toward national bankruptcy with a currency collapse.

Relying on authoritarian democracy and domestic and international meddling only move us sharply away from a constitutional republic and the rule of law and toward the turbulence of a decaying democracy, about which Madison and others had warned.

Once the goal of liberty is replaced by a preconceived notion of the benefits and the moral justifications of a democracy, a trend toward internationalism and world government follows.

We certainly witnessed this throughout the 20th century. Since World War II, we have failed to follow the Constitution in taking this country to war, but instead have deferred to the collective democratic wisdom of the United Nations.

Once it’s recognized that ultimate authority comes from an international body, whether the United Nations, NATO, the WTO, the World Bank, or the IMF, the contest becomes a matter of who holds the reins of power and is able to dictate what is perceived as the will of the people (of the world). In the name of democracy, just as it is done in Washington, powerful nations with the most money will control UN policy. Bribery, threats, and intimidation are common practices used to achieve a “democratic” consensus-no matter how controversial and short-lived the benefits.

Can one imagine what it might be like if a true worldwide democracy existed and the United Nations were controlled by a worldwide, one man/one vote philosophy? The masses of China and India could vote themselves whatever they needed from the more prosperous western countries. How long would a world system last based on this absurdity? Yet this is the principle that we’re working so hard to impose on ourselves and others around the world.

In spite of the great strides made toward one-world government based on egalitarianism, I’m optimistic that this utopian nightmare will never come to fruition. I have already made the case that here at home powerful special interests take over controlling majority opinion, making sure fairness in distribution is never achieved. This fact causes resentment and becomes so expensive that the entire system becomes unstable and eventually collapses.

The same will occur internationally, even if it miraculously did not cause conflict among the groups demanding the loot confiscated from the producing individuals (or countries). Democratic socialism is so destructive to production of wealth that it must fail, just as socialism failed under Soviet Communism. We have a long way to go before old-fashioned nationalism is dead and buried. In the meantime, the determination of those promoting democratic socialism will cause great harm to many people before its chaotic end and we rediscover the basic principle responsible for all of human progress.

Paying for Democracy

With the additional spending to wage war against terrorism at home, while propping up an ever-increasing expensive and failing welfare state, and the added funds needed to police the world, all in the midst of a recession, we are destined to see an unbelievably huge explosion of deficit spending. Raising taxes won’t help. Borrowing the needed funds for the budgetary deficit, plus the daily borrowing from foreigners required to finance our ever-growing current account deficit, will put tremendous pressure on the dollar.

The time will come when the Fed will no longer be able to dictate low interest rates. Reluctance of foreigners to lend, the exorbitant size of our borrowing needs, and the risk premium will eventually send interest rates upward. Price inflation will accelerate, and the cost of living for all Americans will increase. Under these conditions, most Americans will face a decline in their standard of living.

Facing this problem of paying for past and present excess spending, the borrowing and inflating of the money supply has already begun in earnest. Many retirees, depending on their 401k funds and other retirement programs, are suffering the ill-effects of the stock market crash- a phenomenon that still has a long way to go. Depreciating the dollar by printing excessive money, like the Fed is doing, will eventually devastate the purchasing power of those retirees who are dependent on Social Security. Government cost-of-living increases will never be able to keep up with this loss. The elderly are already unable to afford the inflated costs of medical care, especially the cost of pharmaceuticals.

The reality is that we will not be able to inflate, tax, spend or borrow our way out of this mess that the Congress has delivered to the American people. The demands that come with pure democracy always lead to an unaffordable system that ends with economic turmoil and political upheaval. Tragically, the worse the problems get, the louder is the demand for more of the same government programs that caused the problems in the first place- both domestic and international. Weaning off of government programs and getting away from foreign meddling because of political pressure are virtually impossible. The end comes only after economic forces make it clear we can no longer afford to pay for the extravagance that comes from democratic dictates.

Democracy is the most expensive form of government. There is no “king” with an interest in preserving the nation’s capital. Everyone desires something, and the special-interest groups, banding together, dictate to the politicians exactly what they need and want. Politicians are handsomely rewarded for being “effective,” that is, getting the benefits for the groups that support them. Effectiveness is never measured by efforts and achievements in securing liberty, even though it’s the most important element in a prosperous and progressive world.

Spending is predictable in a democracy, especially one that endorses foreign interventionism. It always goes up, both in nominal terms and in percentage of the nation’s wealth. Paying for it can be quite complicated. The exact method is less consequential than the percent of the nation’s wealth the government commands. Borrowing and central-bank credit creation are generally used and are less noticeable, but more deceitful, than direct taxation to pay as we go. If direct taxation were accomplished through monthly checks written by each taxpayer, the cost of government would immediately be revealed. And the democratic con game would end much more quickly.

The withholding principle was devised to make paying for the programs the majority demanded seem less painful. Passing on debt to the next generation through borrowing is also a popular way to pay for welfare and warfare. The effect of inflating a currency to pay the bills is difficult to understand, and the victims are hard to identify. Inflation is the most sinister method of payment for a welfare state. It, too, grows in popularity as the demands increase for services that aren’t affordable.

Although this appears to be a convenient and cheap way to pay the bills, the economic consequences of lost employment, inflated prices, and economic dislocation make the long-term consequences much more severe than paying as we go. Not only is this costly in terms of national wealth, it significantly contributes to the political chaos and loss of liberty that accompany the death throes of a doomed democracy.

This does not mean that direct taxes won’t be continuously raised to pay for out-of-control spending. In a democracy, all earned wealth is assumed to belong to the government. Therefore any restraint in raising taxes, and any tax cuts or tax credits, are considered “costs” to government. Once this notion is established, tax credits or cuts are given only under condition that the beneficiaries conform to the democratic consensus. Freedom of choice is removed, even if a group is merely getting back control of that which was rightfully theirs in the first place.

Tax-exempt status for various groups is not universal but is conditioned on whether their beliefs and practices are compatible with politically correct opinions endorsed by the democratic majority. This concept is incompatible with the principles of private-property ownership and individual liberty. By contrast, in a free society all economic and social decision-making is controlled by private property owners without government intrusion, as long as no one is harmed in the process.

Confusion Regarding Democracy

The vast majority of the American people have come to accept democracy as a favorable system and are pleased with our efforts to pursue Wilson’s dream of “making the world safe for democracy.” But the goals of pure democracy and that of a constitutional republic are incompatible. A clear understanding of the difference is paramount, if we are to remain a free and prosperous nation.

There are certain wonderful benefits in recognizing the guidance that majority opinion offers. It takes a consensus or prevailing attitude to endorse the principles of liberty and a Constitution to protect them. This is a requirement for the rule of law to succeed. Without a consensus, the rule of law fails. This does not mean that the majority or public opinion measured by polls, court rulings, or legislative bodies should be able to alter the constitutional restraints on the government’s abuse of life, liberty, and property. But in a democracy, that happens. And we know that today it is happening in this country on a routine basis.

In a free society with totally free markets, the votes by consumers through their purchases, or refusals to purchase, determine which businesses survive and which fail. This is free-choice “democracy” and it is a powerful force in producing and bringing about economic efficiency. In today’s democracy by decree, government laws dictate who receives the benefits and who gets shortchanged. Conditions of employment and sales are taxed and regulated at varying rates, and success or failure is too often dependent on government action than by consumers’ voting in the marketplace by their spending habits. Individual consumers by their decisions should be in charge, not governments armed with mandates from the majority.

Even a system of free-market money (a redeemable gold-coin standard) functions through the principle of consumers always voting or withholding support for that currency. A gold standard can only work when freely converted into gold coins, giving every citizen a right to vote on a daily basis for or against the government money.

The Way Out

It’s too late to avoid the turbulence and violence that Madison warned about. It has already started. But it’s important to minimize the damage and prepare the way for a restoration of the republic. The odds are not favorable, but not impossible. No one can know the future with certainty. The Soviet system came to an abrupt end with less violence than could have ever been imagined at the height of the Cold War. It was a pleasant surprise.

Interestingly enough, what is needed is a majority opinion, especially by those who find themselves in leadership roles- whether political, educational, or in the media that rejects democracy- and support the rule of law within the republic. This majority support is essential for the preservation of the freedom and prosperity with which America is identified.

This will not occur until we as a nation once again understand how freedom serves the interests of everyone. Henry Grady Weaver, in his 1947 classic, “The Mainspring of Human Progress,” superbly explains how it works. His thesis is simple. Liberty permits progress, while government intervention tends always to tyranny. Liberty releases creative energy; government intervention suppresses it. This release of energy was never greater than in the time following the American Revolution and the writing of the U.S. Constitution.

Instead of individual activity being controlled by the government or superstitious beliefs about natural and mystical events, activity is controlled by the individual. This understanding recognizes the immense value in voluntary cooperation and enlightened self-interests. Freedom requires self-control and moral responsibility. No one owes anyone else anything and everyone is responsible for his or her own acts. The principle of never harming one’s neighbor, or never sending the government to do the dirty work, is key to making the system tend toward peaceful pursuits and away from the tyranny and majority-induced violence. Nothing short of a reaffirmation of this principle can restore the freedoms once guaranteed under the Constitution. Without this, prosperity for the masses is impossible, and as a nation we become more vulnerable to outside threats.

In a republic, the people are in charge. The Constitution provides strict restraints on the politicians, bureaucrats and the military. Everything the government is allowed to do is only done with explicit permission from the people or the Constitution. Today, it’s the opposite. The American people must get permission from the government for their every move, whether it’s use of their own property or spending their own money.

Even the most serious decision, such as going to war, is done while ignoring the Constitution and without a vote of the people’s representatives in the Congress. Members of the global government have more to say about when American troops are put in harm’s way than the U.S. Congress.

The Constitution no longer restrains the government. The government restrains the people in all that they do. This destroys individual creative energy, and the “mainspring of human progress” is lost. The consequences are less progress, less prosperity, and less personal fulfillment.

A system that rejects voluntary contracts, enlightened self interest, and individual responsibilities permits the government to assume these responsibilities. And the government officials become morally obligated to protect us from ourselves, attempting to make us better people and setting standards for our personal behavior. That effort is already in full swing. But if this attitude prevails, liberty is lost.

When government assumes the responsibility for individuals to achieve excellence and virtue, it does so at the expense of liberty, and must resort to force and intimidation. Standards become completely arbitrary, depending on the attitude of those in power and the perceived opinion of the majority. Freedom of choice is gone. This leads to inevitable conflicts with the government dictating what one can eat, drink or smoke. One group may promote abstinence, the other tax-supported condom distribution. Arguments over literature, prayer, pornography, and sexual behavior are endless. It is now not even permissible to mention the word “God” on public property. A people who allows its government to set personal moral standards, for all non-violent behavior, will naturally allow it to be involved in the more important aspects of spiritual life. For instance, there are tax deductions for churches that are politically correct, but not for those whose beliefs that are considered out of the mainstream. Groups that do not meet the official politically correct standards are more likely to be put on a “terrorist” list.

This arbitrary and destructive approach to solving difficult problems must be rejected if we ever hope to live again in a society where the role of government is limited to that of protecting liberty.

The question that I’m most often asked when talking about this subject is, “Why do our elected leaders so easily relinquish liberty and have such little respect for the Constitution?” The people of whom I speak are convinced that liberty is good and big government is dangerous. They are also quite certain that we have drifted a long way away from the principles that made America great, and their bewilderment continuously elicits a big “Why?”

There’s no easy answer to this and no single explanation. It involves temptation, envy, greed, and ignorance, but worst of all, humanitarian zeal. Unfortunately, the greater the humanitarian outreach, the greater the violence required to achieve it. The greater the desire to perform humanitarian deeds through legislation, the greater the violence required to achieve it. Few understand this. There are literally no limits to the good deeds that some believe need to be done. Rarely does anyone question how each humanitarian act by government undermines the essential element of all human progress- individual liberty.

Failure of government programs prompts more determined efforts, while the loss of liberty is ignored or rationalized away. Whether it’s the war against poverty, drugs, terrorism, or the current Hitler of the day, an appeal to patriotism is used to convince the people that a little sacrifice of liberty, here and there, is a small price to pay.

The results, though, are frightening and will soon become even more so. Poverty has been made worse, the drug war is a bigger threat than drug use, terrorism remains a threat, and foreign wars have become routine and decided upon without congressional approval.

Most of the damage to liberty and the Constitution is done by men and women of good will who are convinced they know what is best for the economy, for others, and foreign powers. They inevitably fail to recognize their own arrogance in assuming they know what is the best personal behavior for others. Their failure to recognize the likelihood of mistakes by central planners allows them to ignore the magnitude of a flawed central government directive, compared to an individual or a smaller unit of government mistake.

C. S. Lewis had an opinion on this subject:

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”



A system that is based on majority vote rather than the strict rule of law encourages the few who thrive on power and exerting authority over other people’s lives, unlike the many driven by sincere humanitarian concerns. Our current system rewards those who respond to age-old human instincts of envy and greed as they gang up on those who produce. Those individuals who are tempted by the offer of power are quick to accommodate those who are the most demanding of government-giveaway programs and government contracts. These special-interest groups notoriously come from both the poor and the rich, while the middle class is required to pay.

It’s not just a coincidence that, in the times of rapid monetary debasement, the middle class suffers the most from the inflation and job losses that monetary inflation brings. When inflation is severe, which it will become, the middle class can be completely wiped out. The stock market crash gives us a hint as to what is likely to come as this country is forced to pay for the excesses sustained over the past 30 years while operating under a fiat monetary system.

Eric Hoffer, the longshoreman philosopher, commented on this subject as well: “Absolute power corrupts even when exercised for humane purposes. The benevolent despot who sees himself as a shepherd of the people still demands from others the submissiveness of sheep.”

Good men driven by a desire for benevolence encourage the centralization of power. The corruptive temptation of power is made worse when domestic and international interventions go wrong and feed into the hate and envy that invade men’s souls when the love of liberty is absent.

Those of good will who work to help the downtrodden do so not knowing they are building a class of rulers who will become drunk with their own arrogance and lust for power. Generally only a few in a society yield to the urge to dictate to others, and seek power for the sake of power and then abuse it. Most members of society are complacent and respond to propaganda, but they unite in the democratic effort to rearrange the world in hopes of gaining benefits through coercive means and convince themselves they are helping their fellow man as well. A promise of security is a powerful temptation for many.

A free society, on the other hand, requires that these same desires be redirected. The desire for power and authority must be over one’s self alone. The desire for security and prosperity should be directed inward, rather than toward controlling others. We cannot accept the notion that the gang solution endorsed by the majority is the only option. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are crucial.

But there is also a problem with economic understanding. Economic ignorance about the shortcomings of central economic planning, excessive taxation and regulations, central bank manipulation of money, and credit and interest rates is pervasive in our nation’s capital. A large number of conservatives now forcefully argue that deficits don’t matter. Spending programs never shrink, no matter whether conservatives or liberals are in charge. Rhetoric favoring free trade is canceled out by special-interest protectionist measures. Support of international government agencies that manage trade, such as the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, and Nafta politicizes international trade and eliminates any hope that free-trade capitalism will soon emerge.

The federal government will not improve on its policies until the people coming to Washington are educated by a different breed of economists than those who dominate our government-run universities. Economic advisors and most officeholders merely reflect the economics taught to them. A major failure of our entire system will most likely occur before serious thought is given once again to the guidelines laid out in the Constitution.

The current economic system of fiat money and interventionism (both domestic and international) serves to accommodate the unreasonable demands for government to take care of the people. And this, in turn, contributes to the worst of human instincts: authoritarian control by the few over the many.

We, as a nation, have lost our understanding of how the free market provides the greatest prosperity for the greatest number. Not only have most of us forgotten about the invisible hand of Adam Smith, few have ever heard of Mises and Hayek- two individuals who understood exactly why all the economic ups and downs of the 20th century occurred, as well as the cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

But worst of all, we have lost our faith in freedom. Materialistic concerns and desire for security drive all national politics. This trend has sharply accelerated since 9/11.

Understanding the connection between liberty, prosperity, and security has been lost. The priorities are backwards. Prosperity and security come from liberty. Peace and the absence of war come as a consequence of liberty and free trade. The elimination of ignorance and restraints on do-goodism and authoritarianism in a civilized society can only be achieved through a contractual arrangement between the people and the government- in our case, the U.S. Constitution. This document was the best ever devised for releasing the creative energy of a free people while strictly holding in check the destructive powers of government. Only the rule of law can constrain those who, by human instinct, look for a free ride while delivering power to those few, found in every society, whose only goal in life is a devilish desire to rule over others.

The rule of law in a republic protects free-market activity and private-property ownership and provides for equal justice under the law. It is this respect for law and rights over government power that protects the mainspring of human progress from the enemies of liberty. Communists and other socialists have routinely argued that the law is merely a tool of the powerful capitalists. But they have it backwards. Under democracy and fascism, the pseudo-capitalists write the laws that undermine the Constitution and jeopardize the rights and property of all citizens. They fail to realize it is the real law, the Constitution itself, which guarantees rights and equal justice and permits capitalism, thus guaranteeing progress.

Arbitrary, ever-changing laws are the friends of dictators. Authoritarians argue constantly that the Constitution is a living document, and that rigid obedience to ideological purity is the enemy we should be most concerned about. They would have us believe that those who cherish strict obedience to the rule of law in the defense of liberty are wrong merely because they demand ideological purity. They fail to mention that their love of relative rights and pure democracy is driven by a rigid obedience to an ideology as well. The issue is never rigid beliefs versus reasonable friendly compromise. In politics, it’s always competition between two strongly held ideologies. The only challenge for men and women of good will is to decide the wisdom and truth of the ideologies offered.

Nothing short of restoring a republican form of government with strict adherence to the rule of law, and curtailing illegal government programs, will solve our current and evolving problems.

Eventually the solution will be found with the passage of the Liberty Amendment. Once there is serious debate on this amendment, we will know that the American people are considering the restoration of our constitutional republic and the protection of individual liberty.

redrat11
08-30-2007, 07:43 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
If someone promises you a rose garden, remember it is laced with thorns.
A Rose is a Rose.


My assessment of Ron Paul:

According to the Constitution of the United States of America, Congress is responsible for instituting a Declaration of War.

Congress

The Constitution of the United States gives Congress alone the authority to formally declare war. But in several past conflicts Congress has relinquished this authority to the president. In fact, Congress has not issued a formal declaration of war since World War II.

The president

The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a "state of war" initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle. President Bush has also stated that his powers as commander-in-chief allow him to act independently in defense of the nation.



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Now comes Ron Paul's role.

Ron Paul was responsible for legislation forcing the Congress to vote on a Declaration of War against Iraq.

In order to prevent Congress from yielding its constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not constitutionally hold that power, Paul introduced legislation in October 2002 giving Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war. He said he would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war.



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Why did he introduce the legislation?

So that the President could be held harmless and the blame would rest on Congress' shoulders and Paul would be held harmless because he did not vote for the declaration, but only introduced the legislation.

Did he introduce this legislation knowing full well Congress would vote for a declaration of war with the "false" intelligence they received?

Sleight of hand.

Later, in 2003, Paul promoted a resolution to repeal the war authorization.

Was it repealed?

First he institutes it and then he attempts to repeal it!

What?

I guess the legislation served its' intended purpose.

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He would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

Ron Paul introduced a bill he would not vote for, but advised his fellow members of Congress who wished to go to war in Iraq that they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

MY!! He suggests that his fellow members of Congress declare war.

Seems Ron Paul was instrumental in waging the War in Iraq.

He introduces a bill of which he does not support, but suggests to his fellow members of Congress that they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

I am of the opinion that Ron Paul is a puppet on a string doing dirty work for the "secret government."

If not for Ron Paul, President Bush alone would have declared war on Iraq and the American people would not hold Congress responsible.

Yep! Ron Paul served his masters.

Otherwise, there may have been a chance in hell of impeaching Bush on his actions alone. However, he did not act alone, all courtesy of Ron Paul.

Because of Ron Paul's legislation, the US Congress gave BUSH all the amunition he needed to invade Iraq and be held harmless.

With Ron Paul's NO vote, he appears to have removed himself from the pivotal role of which he played regarding the United States invasion of Iraq.


So let me get this straight, R.Paul advises Congress of it's Constitutional responsibility to declare war based on the Constitution.He did what a Representative is supposed to do.

Seems reasonable to me.


Ron Paul then VOTES NO ON GOING TO WAR.



Good Decision, Hindsight is 20/20

Ba then suggests the "secret government" is behind R. Pauls legislation, and that President Bush avoided Impeachment because of the legislation.

Speculation, Pure Speculation...

So let's get this straight.

1. Ron Paul did not vote for war in Iraq.

2. Ron Paul wants to abolish the Federal Reserve.

3. Ron Paul wants to end the Welfare/Warfare state.

4. Ron Paul wants Government slashed in half, if not more.

5. Ron Paul wants no restrictions on Firearms Ownership by law abiding Americans.

6. Ron Paul wants the IRS abolished.

7. Ron Paul wants the CONSTITUTION recognized as the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

8. Ron Paul wants no foreign aid for NO COUNTRY.

9. Ron Paul wants FREEDOM OF RELIGION for everybody.

10. Ron Paul wants to give parents the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to homeschool their children, and not let the government brainwash them.

11. Ron Paul wants EVERYONE to recognize that HUMAN RIGHTS don't come from government, but from GOD. And therefore can never be taken away by government.

BlueAngel
08-30-2007, 08:48 PM
Ron Paul wants all of that!

Not asking too much, is he?

So, if he's elected into the White House and attempts to abolish the Federal Reserve, will they use a "mind controlled" slave to kill him?

Or, will Congress defy him and they'll be made to look like the bad guys?

You see, Kennedy was one of them but he turned. So, he was slaughtered. He had Congress working for him. He had his brother after the mob.

Now ask yourself this question.

How do you expect Ron Paul is going to achieve all of this?

By his little lonesome self?

Do you think there might be a collective body of representatives called CONGRESS who work for the "powers that be?"

Do you think that Ron Paul can assert he is for this that and the other thing and it all sounds really good and, for this reason, he is placed into power.

But, when push comes to shove, the CONGRESS who works for the "powers that be" vote in their favor.

Sleight of hand.

Keep your eye on the ball.

I'm certain you can find some negatives, too.

Such as, Ron Paul is pro-life.

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket if I were you.

Do you seriously believe they let anyone who doesn't serve THEM in the White House?

If you do, you are still sleeping.

BlueAngel
08-30-2007, 08:52 PM
A thorn is still a thorn

redrat11
08-30-2007, 09:14 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
A thorn is still a thorn

I respect your point of view BA, I know exactly what your line of thought is on 'government' people. You can never trust them, or once in a (pardon the pun) Blue Moon, a person like R. Paul runs for President and everybody "wishes" this and that.


My point of view is that more than likely those "wishes" that I wrote that R. Paul supports will NEVER see the light of day. I understand this, but, IT IS HOPE ETERNAL that fuels the fire of freedom loving people here, Am I right?


Of course he will probably end up DEAD like JFK and JFK JR. (both which supported the abolishment of the Federal Reserve,JFK. JR said he would finish what his dad started) anyhow it is hope that people think and feel can happen if they get involved and participate. The entrenched powers that be are not stupid, that's for sure, however neither are we! should we just roll over and play dead and let things disinegrate before our eyes?


Think about that BA, and everybody else reading this, you all claim to be against the powers that be, but when a candidate like R. Paul comes along, suddenly his actions and words you yourselves use against him to defame him. WHY?


TELL ME, WHO WILL SAVE THIS DAMM COUNTRY? WHO WILL RISE UP AND BE COUNTED FOR ON THAT DAY?


Sometimes HOPE is more than just a dream.






Night

Barbara
08-31-2007, 09:43 AM
Redrat11, your words should be carved in stone and saved for generations to come.

These almighty "powers that be" ARE fallible. They can be brought down. Their real power lies in the fact that they can get us, by hook or crook, bribery, deprivations, lies or whatever, to fall in line with their plans. 99% of the world's population suffers under the tyranny of 1%.

HOW can they be brought down? Think on this: When a large number of soldiers start to march across a bridge, they have to break step - otherwise the lock-step pounding of their marching would cause the bridge to collapse.

Now, take that same principle and apply it to today. Suppose enough people woke up and joined together and started "marching in lock-step across their bridges," figuratively speaking; their power structures would crumble and collapse.

Think what would happen if the billions in the world's population that make up that 99% started refusing to support those in power. Civil disobedience could bring their system to a grinding halt but better still, here and now in America, refusing to accept their hand-picked candidates, choosing instead Ron Paul which would begin to accomplish the same thing with the dividend of peace, freedom and prosperity. Other countries could see how it's done and start getting their freedoms back.

Ron's no fool, he is aware that he is taking his life in his hands by running for president on a Constitutional ticket. He just happens to love his family, liberty and this country so much that he is willing to put his life on the line for them. How many people can say that and PROVE it by their actions today?

Look in the faces of his family - his wife, Carol, his grown children, his grandchildren - they know the perilous position into which their loved one has placed himself. They also know that SOMEONE has to do it and that Ron is the right person and now is the right time, so they support him with all the love and courage in their hearts.

Should he prevail, it will mean a freer world for his family and all of us; should he (God forbid) fall by assassination, he has inspired others to immediately pick up the torch and carry on the contest, yes CONTEST, a vying of human will against the multi-headed beast we refer to as "the powers that be."

It would not take guns and bombs to win this contest, just awareness by those who are being used as tools to wield the guns and bombs that they are fighting against themselves and their own best interests and the best interests of mankind. From the highest general to the lowest "grunt," this awareness could begin to turn the tide.

JUST SAY NO in great enough numbers and the game is over. NO, we will not obey the order to bomb Iran, NO, we will not continue to kill Iraqis and be killed ourselves for a psychopath in the White House and his corporate handlers. JUST COME HOME and join those of us who want a free country the RIGHT way, the Constitutional way.

There is such precious little time left to turn this whole thing around before the whole world is plunged into chaos. If we as Americans could demonstrate to the world that we are not warmongers who want to steal others' natural resources, kill their people and trash their countries, our "terrorist" problem would disappear, except for that done by "the powers that be." We must turn on them and hunt them down right here in our own country rather than going abroad and killing indiscriminately those who would be our friends.

Just getting Ron Paul elected President is not the whole solution, but it is the most vital first step. The cesspool that is the Congress and Senate must be cleaned out and replaced by those who represent the will of the people to live in a peaceful and free world. The minute one of them steps outside that boundary they are GONE, by whatever means most expedient. Perhaps producing rope, tar and feathers could become a growth industry for a while until they get the message.

Time is of the essence; get up, get out, get active and inform those who haven't yet heard of Ron Paul. There will be those who will still prefer a Hillary or a Romney but they deserve to have the Ron Paul information so they can make a conscious choice to either choose freedom and peace for themselves and those they claim to love or continue to slide down that slippery slope to dictatorship, tyranny and a police state. THAT IS THE CHOICE.

This thread has served it's purpose for me, it has provided a receptacle and showcase for much of Ron Paul's writings and many videos of events in his campaign to date. The links provided will enable those interested to go and find more recent additions as well as information that will point them towards others who are actively a part of the Ron Paul Revolution, should they like to join in or just strike out on their own. That's part of what individual freedom is all about.

My undying thanks to Redrat11 for having the brilliant idea to start this thread. You are a true seeker after truth and I commend you. As Mulder said, "The truth is out there." As Deep Throat said, "The truth is often sandwiched between two lies." The more we learn, the easier it is to spot the liars and their lies.

As a parting gift, I leave you this short video. It is not a great and rousing speech, nor does it have famous people you will recognize. It touched my heart and it means something to me so I'll pass it on to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSWzoGGmpqQ

Bye

redrat11
09-07-2007, 06:56 PM
Ron Paul Early September Message..

Message from Ron Paul
Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment, with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with 28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers made all the difference.

The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy (though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the audience—with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire—was definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.

My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons, more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess of statist pottage in return.

The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines, which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.

When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but not to more and more Americans.

There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.

After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments, "security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of interest in liberty.

But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people recognize it.

But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign. Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move, but it very much needs your support.

Sincerely,

Ron


Ron Paul (http://blog.ronpaul2008.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/09/message-from-ro.html)

BlueAngel
09-08-2007, 02:43 PM
RedRat said:

I respect your point of view BA, I know exactly what your line of thought is on 'government' people. You can never trust them, or once in a (pardon the pun) Blue Moon, a person like R. Paul runs for President and everybody "wishes" this and that.

Kennedy was one of them. In most instances, those who run, those who are paraded before the public are one of THEM. If not, they will never occupy the White House. What? You think they're going to allow an election that places someone other than a puppet as Commander in Chief? If you do, RedRat, you are naive.


My point of view is that more than likely those "wishes" that I wrote that R. Paul supports will NEVER see the light of day. I understand this, but, IT IS HOPE ETERNAL that fuels the fire of freedom loving people here, Am I right?


Of course he will probably end up DEAD like JFK and JFK JR. (both which supported the abolishment of the Federal Reserve,JFK. JR said he would finish what his dad started) anyhow it is hope that people think and feel can happen if they get involved and participate. The entrenched powers that be are not stupid, that's for sure, however neither are we! should we just roll over and play dead and let things disinegrate before our eyes?

Regardless of what JFK said, they vowed to never allow another Kennedy in the White House. JFK, Jr. had mentioned he might run. THEY KNEW how the public felt about JFK and they knew JFK, Jr. would have a chance and a fixed election wouldn't work and, therefore, the small plane crash.

Who suggested we should roll over, play dead and let things disintegrate before our eyes? Not me. That's for certain.


Think about that BA, and everybody else reading this, you all claim to be against the powers that be, but when a candidate like R. Paul comes along, suddenly his actions and words you yourselves use against him to defame him. WHY?

Who has defamed Ron Paul? People are entitled to their opinion. I don't recall anyone else on this thread other than myself voicing speculation about Ron Paul.


TELL ME, WHO WILL SAVE THIS DAMM COUNTRY? WHO WILL RISE UP AND BE COUNTED FOR ON THAT DAY?

I can't tell you who is going to save this country or our world. But, I'll tell you this. If you think placing someone in the White House as President who isn't aligned with them is going to dissolve the "secret government," which will never happen anyway, you are naive.

If it did happen and if it happens that someone who is aligned with them, panders to the people as Kennedy did, they'll be silenced in one way or another.


Sometimes HOPE is more than just a dream.

Sometimes hope isn't enough.

redrat11
09-11-2007, 09:42 PM
Great Message..

R. Paul brings smart people together.


http://ronpaul2008.com/

Barak Obama Wants War.

Shillary Clinton Wants War.

Rudy. G wants war.

Fred Thompson wants war.

John Mcain wants war.

All the shills want WAR!

Ron Paul does'nt want War.


Ron Paul takes O'Reilly(war monger)to task.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7314739852780704564

BlueAngel
09-12-2007, 08:04 PM
Ron Paul did not appear to be a leader during his interview with O'Reilly.

He looked rattled.

Ron Paul does not believe that the "secret government" was involved in 911.

He believes 911 was blow back by Al Qaeda due to the United State's policy of invading and occupying foreign countries.

This is precisely the reason why the "secret government" was able to establish a "terrorist network" that claims its' agenda is retaliation against the oppresser.

Cause and effect.

redrat11
09-16-2007, 02:01 AM
How clever of you SHILLS....try, try, to distort the message of freedom, you sick twisted shitheads! Unfortunately, we the people see thru your utter bullshit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg

BlueAngel
09-16-2007, 08:39 AM
Ron Paul does not believe that the government was involved in 911.

redrat11
09-20-2007, 08:43 PM
What is R. Pauls Strategy?????


Can someone tell me just who exactly is running the National Campaign of R.Paul? I'm convinced that whoever it is,(and I don't mean to be hostile,) but, they are seriously not taking this run for presidency serious enough, I suspect a GOP shill/stooge is directing his campaign.



Let's examine the first stage (if you will) here, Yes, everything and everybody with a working brain is aware of the HOPE R. Paul brings to America, And yes, the Internet is making his appeal to freedom lovers known nationwide, while by-passing the Lamestream Zionist Media, and yes, organizations across America are getting stronger and stronger, my problem is with the National Campaign, I want to know, just what the heck is the National Strategy to defeat the PTB, and there shills for candidates?


I'm aware of his message for freedom, but, lets get real here, It's gonna take more than that to defeat the shills. Therfore I propose that R. Paul start to examine his National Strategy more concisely NOW!


Here's what I would start doing if I were his strategist.

1. The American people need to know in EXACT terms, just what will be the consequences of there voting for someone besides R.Paul, this means laying out in easy to understand words that there are severe perils facing Americans. (yes, I'm aware he just had a message about that,) but what I'm saying is, he needs to explain the candidates positions on many subjects, and how they are detrimental to society.

2. He also needs to expose the candidates shadowy connections to the NWO, and the so-called ELITES he so adamantly calls, and how they interconnect to destroy America.

3. I want to hear how the REPUBLICAN PARTY itself has managed to discredit his message, and actually turned against him, both on the national and state levels.

4. I want to hear how the Democratic National candidates stand up to his message and values,(ABSOLUTELY NO CONTEST!) however people need to hear these things, as they're mostly braindead people with short attention spans.

5. Ron Paul is clearly the ONLY VIABLE CHOICE for the Presidency, this message needs to spread out over the media spectrum, not only on the internet, but also on the State and National Media Networks, this is where we all come in to play and participate, WE NEED TO WRITE TO OUR LOCAL MEDIA, and explain to the people just what R. Paul is all about. As compared to the shills.


I've had a great idea for R. Paul supporters here in my neck of the woods, I live in Arizona, and I would like to get others to pitch in money for some sort of flying banner, especially on certain days coming up with sporting events outdoors, a flying banner to proclaim R. Paul support, these small things on the national level can do much to spread the word about R. Paul, personally, I can't afford to do such a thing, but with many others pitching in, these things are possible.


And let's face it! if R. Paul does'nt take the Presidency, WE ARE FINISHED AS A FREE PEOPLE (what little we have left.) So I will do my very tiny small part in the overall national strategy, and alls I can do is HOPE that everything turns for the better, Maybe just Maybe, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, only when you and other like minded individuals get together for some brainstorming.







And that would be my message to Ron Paul. I will E-mail this to his "National Campaign Strategy" maybe they will listen to my message.

BlueAngel
09-20-2007, 08:54 PM
RedRat said:

"Ron Paul needs to expose the candidates shadowy connections to the NWO, and the so-called ELITES he so adamantly calls, and how they interconnect to destroy America."

You're in the mindset I was in last night when talking to my son about why people were clapping when the student at the University of Florida was arrested and tasered.

Mom, he said. The people who clapped think Kerry is honorable and are not informed about the NWO and the immorality of politicians.

Nor do they possess intelligence about Skull and Bones, etc.

They are not connected to reality.

They are in the dream world/illusion that has been created for us from cradle to grave.

If Ron Paul were to do this, speak about the NWO, he would be labeled as you know what.

A looney CONSPIRACY THEORIST and you know what most people think about that breed.

During Paul's interview with O'Reilly, he constantly referenced his connection to Alex Jones and the "conspiracy theory" crowd.

Ron Paul said, "I don't connect myself with them, they connect themselves with me."

Jimbo
09-20-2007, 11:11 PM
It can be shown that the media establishment is owned by the same elite that runs & manipulates our government. They are the de facto propaganda machine for the establishment. They are “politically” correct, thus “inline” w/ the establishment. Most news anchors, play both sides of the fence & at some time or another attack whoever seems an easy prey w/o going towards any extremes. Look at “Keith Olberman” for example. He’s done an outstanding job bringing the Bush administration’s incompetence to light. However, he has spent more time & enthusiasm covering the “Harry Potter” witchcraft story, on site, than he would ever consider spending interviewing Ron Paul, which deserves a hell of lot more attention, than some kid’s fiction (NWO brainwashing) story. They (the media) are, for all practical purposes, useless (as far as Freedom is concerned). They are the ones who will guide us into the trucks that will carry us onto citizen or concentration camps if martial law is ever declared. So, we can try as hard as we can, but the mainstream media (neither state nor national) will never, at least in these times, carry the message to the masses that will “expose the candidates shadowy connections to the NWO, and the so-called ELITES he so adamantly calls, and how they interconnect to destroy America.” Why? Because “they” are part of the NWO. That will not happen.

Also, RON PAUL being a “politician” knows better than any one of us how to carry his message, but more importantly, which parts of his message are “ready for mass consumption.” Even if the majority of Americans were knowledgeable & ready, the media machine, not being a truly “independent & unbiased” channel would not carry the message, & would instead distort the message as they have been doing.

For RON PAUL to win he needs many things. He needs the support of the majority of voters. He needs for clean, accountable, & verifiable elections. And he is going to need a team of body guards & freedom loving intelligence officers. And that’s just for starters… He’s got my vote. But it is going to be hard fight.

BlueAngel
09-21-2007, 08:46 AM
The media teeters on the edge, as JIMBO said.

They play both sides of the fence.

They go just far enough in bringing problematic issues to light; however, they will never be the driving force that exposes and/or brings justice to the American people.

They will never cross the line.

They know who feeds them.

They are OPERATIVES for the NWO whether knowingly or unknowingly.

What's with Dan Rather sueing for 70 million dollars?

redrat11
09-22-2007, 12:07 PM
R. Paul



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/22/paul-time-for-us-to-leave-un/


Saying "I'm a believer in trade," Rep. Ron Paul says the World Trade Organization, is threatening the sovereignty of the United States.

"The WTO has now been able to come to our Congress and dictate to us, we as a Congress, and as a party has endorsed the idea that we should raise taxes on certain corporations at the directive of the W.T.O in order to satisfy and be upstanding members of the W.T.O.," The GOP presidential hopeful said Saturday. "We should never raise taxes period, but certainly because the W.T.O. tells us to do so."

Paul said the W.T.O., and other organizations that support free trade are an outgrowth of the United Nations. As a result, "I support this notion of protecting sovereignty by getting out of the United Nations," he said. The Texas Congressman said he has sponsored legislation calling for the U.S. to withdraw from the United Nations since he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.

Paul made his comments before a weekend retreat for Michigan Republicans on Mackinac Island, Michigan. Most of his fellow rivals for the GOP nomination were also scheduled to address the group as well.

Jimbo
09-22-2007, 09:50 PM
Part 2 Ron Paul Wins Alabama Republican Straw Poll With 81% - yT Video
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj17sHDWamw&mode=related&search=

Jimbo
09-22-2007, 09:58 PM
Big Bad Ron Paul - Music by Chris Wolf - yT Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKN5W5rBSM

BlueAngel
09-22-2007, 10:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Ron_Paul

Excerpt:

Denies involvement in 9/11 conspiracy theories

Paul denies that the attack on the World Trade Center was a part of a government conspiracy and has explicity denied any association with the "9/11 Truth Movement." On the Mike Gallagher radio show on July 19, 2007, he said: "Some people try to twist what I say and turn it into that, and I think some of my supporters lean in that direction, but that's not my position. I do think government's basically inept. I mean we were spending $40 billion a year collecting intelligence and a lot of information was out there. We had one FBI agent, I think sent dozens and dozens of memos to his superiors saying that there are people trying to fly airplanes but not land them, and nobody would pay any attention. So, I don't think that's a conspiracy. I think that's a lot of bureaucracy that doesn't work very well. And, then when we have government investigations, whether it's 9/11 or assassinations, I think the main goal is to protect the government and to protect their ineptness - not - and that is a lot different than saying 'Oh they conspired to do this so they can use this as an excuse to spread the war in the Middle East whether they had anything to do with 9/11 or not.' I don't see it that way. But, I believe some who did want to spread the war would use it as an opportunity. But, it wasn't something that was deliberately done." [40] When Paul was asked by Shawn Wasson in an interview on LiveLeak.com if he believed that "9/11 was orchestrated by the government," Paul responded emphatically, "Absolutely not."[41] Paul was again asked in an interview on Fox News on August 5 if he agreed with the conspiracy theorists; he explicitly said that he does not believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy and that he does not think the government would stage an attack.[42]

Jimbo
09-22-2007, 11:38 PM
http://www.infowars.com/images2/ww3/iran_ron_paul_false_flag_te.jpg
Ron Paul (http://www.infowars.com/images2/ww3/iran_ron_paul_false_flag_te.jpg)

I think I have read speeches written by Ron Paul touching on the subject, & although he does not flat out says anything about that, he has insinuated the possibility that such as thing could happen. With more time I'll see if I can find that information.

These are just my personal views, & I am talking out loud...

However, consider this, knowing that, w/ the exception of Ron Paul, the entire bunch of Republican Party presidential candidates are somehow supporting the war efforts by both maintaining money & troops levels on the region of Iraq, wouldn't you think that by coming out & "flat out" accusing the government of having anything to do w/ the 911 attacks, would place Ron Paul in a very dangerous situation? First of all, he would be the only one in that group. He would be immediately labeled as a "conspiracy theorist nut-case". The media (which we already know who they work for) would spin that w/o end. That would be political suicide for Ron Paul. He would loose the only opportunity to be in a position to do anything about it. Besides, nobody (in the higher echelons) wants to hear about it. Period. So, why fight that battle now, when he's got bigger issues to deal w/ on his fight ahead towards the presidency.

Also notice the fact that he will interview anyone. I have seen internet videos where Ron Paul will take & answer questions about anything. However, he very politely & politically steers away from accusing anyone of having anything to do w/ 911. With as intelligent as he is, do you think for a second that Ron might not be aware of that?

Look, we don't live in an ideal world. As a matter of fact, it is very complicated, & many things do happen in "invisible parallel worlds", we don't know anything about. We should be glad to have a Ron Paul & count our blessings.

At this point to find out what really happen on 911 should be done by somebody else. Ron Paul is running for the president & not for "detective general". He's got to focus.

Ron Paul Says Elements of Government May Stage False Flag as Pretext to Attack Iran
"Ron Paul has also stated that he fears the controlling cabal may even stage false flag events in order to further an aggressive foreign policy and achieve Neocon goals outlined by the Project for the New American century's Rebuilding America's Defenses document."
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ww3/iran_ron_paul_says_gov_elements_stage_terror_blame _iran.htm

Barbara
09-22-2007, 11:59 PM
Well said, Jimbo, and spot on!!

BlueAngel
09-23-2007, 07:54 AM
Jimbo said:

"At this point to find out what really happen on 911 should be done by somebody else. Ron Paul is running for the president & not for "detective general". He's got to focus."

Who would that SOMEBODY else be?

Congress?

You would think that with all the members of the Senate and House of Representatives, SOMMEBODY has eyes to see the TRUTH about 911.

Will they speak out?

NO!

Who than will that SOMEBODY be?

Jimbo
09-23-2007, 09:34 AM
Truth & Freedom Are Both Addictive & Contagious. Once You Have Them, You Can Never Go Back.

BlueAngel, I don’t want to go & dig the information out because I think that, although it is extremely important, & it is being done, someday it will be known. Honestly, it is irrelevant to Ron Paul winning the Presidency. That’s how polarized our society has become – The rulers & the ruled. However, as we speak, right now there are many worthy groups comprised of researchers, academics, scholars, journalists, techies, new york residents, local politicians, fire fighters, attorneys, medical doctors, physicists, psychologists, philosophers, businessmen, real politicians, & truth seekers doing everything they can to bring this information to light & present it w/in the right perspective. In my opinion that battle has already been won in the minds & spirits of these groups. The ruled, for the most part, know the truth. They know what sounds, vibrates, & rings to be true. Many lawsuits have already been issued & rejected. Many more are in the process of being rejected. Many more will be issued. This is not going to go away. It has to be as addictive as Freedom itself. People have already died trying. More people will die trying. However for the rest of them trying, eventually it will pass through. The majority of the rulers & all of the rulers in positions of power & their propaganda machine don’t really care (& there is no need to spell it out why). The global rulers could care even less. Do you see why, right now, this is not going through… The dynasties of power are older than the cities & the buildings we see around. They are even older than the religious institutions that over time evolved. However, they hid behind them, & they dressed like saints claiming godly powers & virtues. Do you think they are going to give up their crowns, castles, & ivory towers that easy? How many punches w/ your bare hands do you think it is going to take to break down a brick wall?

redrat11
09-23-2007, 12:54 PM
Words...




The words you speak JIMBO are incredibly powerful, you hit it right on the NAIL. TRUTH AND FREEDOM can never be extinguished from this Earth, It is almost written in our very souls to seek this "hidden power" Sometimes I wonder myself, is it worth it?



That question is not negotiable with me.

Jimbo
09-23-2007, 06:01 PM
Freedom Is Our Nature, & Our Destiny.

I have seen, & might have the links to more & perhaps better information, but for now look at this. It is very general.

Freemasonry, Illuminati, & Secret Societies - Michael Tsarion - gG Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2402835665090667567

04:50 External Viruses: War, Medical, Vaccines, Federal Reserve, Real War is the "War On Consciousness"
15:10 Ancient Technology
19:50 Slave Units, Symbolism, Movies,
20:20 Who is fighting Who? - The Game of Conflict
* 21:35 Freemasonry Born out of Israel, Israel, Zionism, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Religious Judaism
* 24:17 America - Israel, Jewish Freemasonry, Zionists
* 26:46 Zionists have Utter Contempt for Synagogue going Jews
27:10 American History - Ancient Occult History, Sacred Masonic Geometry, Egypt
* 28:35 Final Stages, Conquer America & Resources, The Dead Sea (Minerals), Why Israel in Palestine,
* 29:22 Communist Russia funded from London & New York
29:45 Russia, Bank of England, New York
* 30:00 Why Zionist Israel was Created
31:00 Symbolism of Secret Societies in America, Congress,
31:40 Who is their Rival
32:00 Controlled Living - Cities, Schools,
32:20 Symbol Literacy
37:00 US, Georgetown, Vatican, Freemasons, Pirates (Skull & Bones), British Royal,
39:00 Bush, Kerry, Blue Blood, Al Gore, The Crusades
42:15 Blue Blood
42:45 Who Controls The World
43:07 4 Sides of the Pyramid - 4 Strategies, Lieutenants, Generals, or Agents (Military, Religion-Education, Media, Politics)
44:12 1 Party System
44:30 Why are they on our face?
44:53 Approaching Astrological "End of the Age Of Pisces" (12th House of the Zodiac) - Cycles of History Open & Close
45:30 Saw the Rise of Judeo-Christianity
46:25 Start of the "Age Of Aquarius", Cleansing, Healing, Evil Exposed, Changes in Consciousness,
* 48:30 Knowledge - The Rival Force fighting Evil (Beast)

BlueAngel
09-23-2007, 06:13 PM
Jimbo said:

"I don’t want to go & dig the information out because I think that, although it is extremely important, & it is being done, someday it will be known. Honestly, it is irrelevant to Ron Paul winning the Presidency. That’s how polarized our society has become" –

------------------------------------------------

I think, if you have read "between the lines" of my writings, you will see that I have stated over and over again my respect and admiration for the truth seekers, the researchers and the good intelligence officers for their incredible commitment to bringing the REALITY of our world to light.

For working behind the scenes for decades.

For teaching me to be an OPERATIVE and not a SLAVE.

For MY LIFE!

My respect for them, my adirmation for them, my loyalty to them surpasses any trust or loyalty I would ever invest in a POLITICIAN in restoring America to that "beacon of light and hope" that she should be.

I respect any and all who support Ron Paul.

That is your choice.

That is your freedom just as it is my freedom to assert otherwise.

Jimbo
09-23-2007, 07:21 PM
BlueAngel, when I said “I don’t want to go & dig the information out” I meant that I probably have plenty of links to articles containing the information already, but I didn’t want to spend any more time doing that. I don’t have a lot of time in my hands these days, thanks to the current political atmosphere & their attack against the working class by siphoning jobs out of the US via insourcing, outsourcing, offshoring, & moving entire companies out of our shores. My situation has deteriorated tremendously since 911. Before I had a chance for a future. Right now my future is now.

I have never doubted your respect for any of the above (what you said).

I have never been able to read everything or even a considerable percentage of what you write. I just don’t have the time for that right now.

I never assume that you do or do not think anything in particular. I just tried to address specifically what you brought up, to the best of my ability.

My purpose, right now, is to contribute any way I can, & to check out the state of affairs. See what people are thinking. See if there is anything worth exploring, like the immediate threat of another false-flag in American soil, or any new material I have not been exposed to, & to continue putting the pieces of the puzzle together, learn more about symbolism, the Federal Reserve, the fractional banking scam, the credit scam, the income tax scam, the social security scam, the lack of available high paying jobs scam, & the American pipe dream. If I didn’t want to contribute I wouldn’t be writing anything in these blogs, like most people don’t.

BlueAngel
09-23-2007, 07:31 PM
Jimbo,

My deepest respect and regards.

Keep fightin' the good fight.

One day, we'll win.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
09-23-2007, 11:03 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Jimbo,

My deepest respect and regards.

Keep fightin' the good fight.

One day, we'll win.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

We sure will BlueAngel. Thanks...

Jimbo
09-23-2007, 11:08 PM
Ron Paul Speaking In Las Vegas - 7-7-7 :-o :-o :-o

Ron Paul Speaking In Las Vegas
7-7-2007

This is one of the best speeches I have seen "Ron Paul" deliver outside of Congress to an audience during his Presidential Campain. He was definitely on the "Roll" here.

Ron Paul Speaking In Las Vegas - 7-7-7 - yT Video (Must Watch !!!...)
http://www.reclaim.org/ron-paul-speaking-in-las-vegas

Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 911 Commission Report
Official Account of 9/11 a “Joke” and a “Cover-up”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm

PNAC Rebuilding America's Senses DL Lecture - gG Video (Must Watch !!!...)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8545414779301935419&q=pnac&total=1226&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Alex Jones - End Game
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/130807_b_alamo.htm

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P01 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8kD-cH43Y

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P02 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBQXQ9hWrs

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P03 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CHCYnWd7sg

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P04 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtdT_9Kf_2E

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P05 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imbqBnkBhhU

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P06 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr2GJ9rtrac

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm9YxWnOOHc

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P08 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPCBIg-_Jc

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P09 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESN_JgAe-9Q

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P10 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSzRMm1hUlA

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P11 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHiO4MoSu8A

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P12 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_dsP3NlG0

Alex Jones Broadcast 07-31-07 - P13 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8CGe7hpKA

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
09-27-2007, 07:50 PM
Republicans will debate tonight on PBS, how will they smear R.Paul Tonight?


This debate is all about "domestic issues" THEY will brainwash the American People by claiming we need more "diversity" more "integration" more "free trade" more "open borders" more "globalism" more B.S. and yet the sheeple will eat it up as the HONEST TO G-D TRUTH.


Ron Paul needs to take a stand sooner or later to reveal the utter criminality of Rudy G and Mitt Romney, if he does not, well, I leave it to the readers to decide.

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/


The debate will be shown live on the net soon.

BlueAngel
09-27-2007, 08:19 PM
The readers will decide as to their opinion of Ron Paul irregardless of your thoughts.

redrat11
09-27-2007, 08:22 PM
WTF!


I did'nt know this was a debate based on "Black America" OH, boo, hooo hooo, here we go with the tears for the shameful whites abuse of blacks in American history(never mind it was Jews who brought em over here on slave ships of theirs) (, SCRATCH THIS DEBATE!)


This is utter rubbish, Black people have been given the "kitchen sink" and everything else by All Americans through welfare and affirmative action, I'm sick of black people complaining about being oppressed and downtrodden.


Most of the black middle class made it out of the ghetto by HARD WORK and education, along with keeping there nose up and being proud to be Americans, there is nothing more here to watch!

redrat11
09-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Very simple solutions to better prosperity for everyone.



1. dismantle the Federal Reserve

2. Cancel all Treaties dealing with Free-Trade

3. Abolish the IRS

4. Create a FAIR TAX.

5. Let people have all there money paid into Social Security PERIOD! and all the other Government redistribution plans.

6. Evict ourselves from the United Nations, as well as have them move to China.

7. Seal Borders Shut! only open to law abiding people and produtcs.

8. Abolish all EXECUTIVE PRIVELEGES form the President.

9. Abolish all priveleges from Congress.

10. Abolish and privatize Education.


you say NON-SENSE! what would happen to struggling people and the elderly who depend on Medicare and Social Security, That's where the Amazing power of people combined can generously create there own Medical Establishment, one based on pay as you can, but pay us when you can, not when you can't, because of Illness or Injury, A government health plan will be very damaging to everybody. This is all just a faint dream.

skip this entirely. as it is utter non-sense. :roll:

redrat11
09-28-2007, 05:56 PM
Wow! that's alot of money.



http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

redrat11
09-28-2007, 05:59 PM
Maybe people do really think there is a 'snowballs chance in h-ll' look at all the donations pouring in. For real! there is a chance.


Anything is possible.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

redrat11
09-29-2007, 06:13 PM
Here is the Phoenix area R. Paul leader (organizer.) just click on the 'meetups' area of the R. Paul website, there you can find R. Paul support groups in your area.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/members/1758767/



I think Ed is a Vietnam War Vetaran, I hope to present some ideas to his people soon.


http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/photos/?photoAlbumId=214582&photoId=2082531



Ron Paul will clear a million by midnight tonight.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/



This is a GENUINE AMERICAN PHENOMENON, this is truly unheard of in American Politics, where WE THE PEOPLE RUN THE CAMPAIGN ON OUR TERMS!

redrat11
09-29-2007, 10:53 PM
Every American..


Every American who put R. Paul over the top, WOW! that is awsome!, now I'm totally CONVINCED that people out there are TICKED OFF! and now seeing that possible change in government is not a dream.




Think of all those individuals across this great country, all think and know something is HORRIBLY WRONG with government, and they all know deep down inside this may well be the last chance at saving this country from disaster.



ANY DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS WHO THINK THEY'RE DEFUNCT CANDIDATES ARE WORTHY OF BEING PRESIDENT, I SAY YOU ARE TOTALLY INSANE!


AND FOR THOSE CONSPIRACY THEORIST OUT THERE, YOU HAVE MUCH TO THINK ABOUT, AS FAR AS R. PAUL IS CONCERNED, I HAVE YET TO PULL UP ANY MUCK ON THIS MAN, THEY THE ZIONIST JEWS, ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO BURN HIM ALIVE IN THE MEDIA.


But, I have pondered the thought that R. Paul could possibly be a so-secretive JEW, that they've held as 'clean' for this long, (as they say, "OUR ACE UP OUR SLEEVE") that would be devastating, but time will tell.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

BlueAngel
09-30-2007, 08:14 AM
They have SOMETHING on everyone who is a part of their organization.

The reason they play their "vital" roles for them.

This insures their silence.

If it doesn't then their death will.

George_Bush
10-01-2007, 12:48 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Every American..


Every American who put R. Paul over the top, WOW! that is awsome!, now I'm totally CONVINCED that people out there are TICKED OFF! and now seeing that possible change in government is not a dream.




Think of all those individuals across this great country, all think and know something is HORRIBLY WRONG with government, and they all know deep down inside this may well be the last chance at saving this country from disaster.



ANY DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS WHO THINK THEY'RE DEFUNCT CANDIDATES ARE WORTHY OF BEING PRESIDENT, I SAY YOU ARE TOTALLY INSANE!


AND FOR THOSE CONSPIRACY THEORIST OUT THERE, YOU HAVE MUCH TO THINK ABOUT, AS FAR AS R. PAUL IS CONCERNED, I HAVE YET TO PULL UP ANY MUCK ON THIS MAN, THEY THE ZIONIST JEWS, ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO BURN HIM ALIVE IN THE MEDIA.


But, I have pondered the thought that R. Paul could possibly be a so-secretive JEW, that they've held as 'clean' for this long, (as they say, "OUR ACE UP OUR SLEEVE") that would be devastating, but time will tell.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Well, redhat, I understand where you are coming from, but this is what I tell people who state the same: Do you have anything to LOSE by voting for Ron Paul? This is what I tell all the jaded naysayers who believe that voting is useless: Do you have anything to LOSE by voting for Ron Paul?

If it is the case that our Republic truly is lost, and all the candidates are bought and paid for, then that is the case as it stands this day.

But what if that is not altogether true? What if Ron Paul is the real deal? And based upon his positions on the issues and his consistant voting record, in my mind all the evidence points to him being legitamate.

What does this imply? It implies that the vote stills lies with the choice of the people. If Ron Paul won an overwhelming percentage of the popular vote, the electoral college would be forced to give him the election. Yet the people of these United States are going to have to show a truly unified force of will in this matter.

They must understand that this indeed is the last chance they have. This is not simply a scare tactic to elect Ron Paul. I personally am convinced, based upon the evidence presented to me, that if Ron Paul is not elected, these United States as we know them today will be lost forever. I have stated before and I will state it again, this is the very very very LAST CHANCE for the American people to wake up to the facts of life.

redrat11
10-01-2007, 07:44 PM
George_Bush wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Every American..


Every American who put R. Paul over the top, WOW! that is awsome!, now I'm totally CONVINCED that people out there are TICKED OFF! and now seeing that possible change in government is not a dream.




Think of all those individuals across this great country, all think and know something is HORRIBLY WRONG with government, and they all know deep down inside this may well be the last chance at saving this country from disaster.



ANY DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS WHO THINK THEY'RE DEFUNCT CANDIDATES ARE WORTHY OF BEING PRESIDENT, I SAY YOU ARE TOTALLY INSANE!


AND FOR THOSE CONSPIRACY THEORIST OUT THERE, YOU HAVE MUCH TO THINK ABOUT, AS FAR AS R. PAUL IS CONCERNED, I HAVE YET TO PULL UP ANY MUCK ON THIS MAN, THEY THE ZIONIST JEWS, ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO BURN HIM ALIVE IN THE MEDIA.


But, I have pondered the thought that R. Paul could possibly be a so-secretive JEW, that they've held as 'clean' for this long, (as they say, "OUR ACE UP OUR SLEEVE") that would be devastating, but time will tell.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Well, redhat, I understand where you are coming from, but this is what I tell people who state the same: Do you have anything to LOSE by voting for Ron Paul? This is what I tell all the jaded naysayers who believe that voting is useless: Do you have anything to LOSE by voting for Ron Paul?

If it is the case that our Republic truly is lost, and all the candidates are bought and paid for, then that is the case as it stands this day.

But what if that is not altogether true? What if Ron Paul is the real deal? And based upon his positions on the issues and his consistant voting record, in my mind all the evidence points to him being legitamate.

What does this imply? It implies that the vote stills lies with the choice of the people. If Ron Paul won an overwhelming percentage of the popular vote, the electoral college would be forced to give him the election. Yet the people of these United States are going to have to show a truly unified force of will in this matter.

They must understand that this indeed is the last chance they have. This is not simply a scare tactic to elect Ron Paul. I personally am convinced, based upon the evidence presented to me, that if Ron Paul is not elected, these United States as we know them today will be lost forever. I have stated before and I will state it again, this is the very very very LAST CHANCE for the American people to wake up to the facts of life.



I Hope R. Paul can overcome the nightmare that is the "zionist media."



I just learned that the "Christian Zionist" coalition, or I should say the Christian conservatives have decided to bolt from the GOP, they are planning to start a third party.





Make no mistake about it, this is a "political-strategy" move on part of the Zionist, they figure they will 'divide-and conquer' for two reasons.

1. to put Shillary in office.

2. And to make it harder for the R. Paul revolution to really start taking off.


Think about this, the Christian-Conservatives seek a candidate who is against abortion and big government, HELLO! HAVE THEY EVER HEARD OF A MAN CALLED RON PAUL? This is why I say the PTB are manipulating the chessboard in order to get what is in there interests, (A EXPANSION OF THE MID-EAST WAR.)


And Ron Paul needs to expand his Christian support base in order to get there votes. That's why I wrote that his NATIONAL CAMPAIGN STATEGIST whoever it may be, is doing him wrong BIGTIME! I wrote that somewhere in this thread awhile back.



http://www.rttnews.com/FOREX/politicalnews.asp?date=10/01/2007&item=12

http://www.kxmc.com/News/167400.asp

redrat11
10-02-2007, 07:28 PM
The Council Meets...



http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_to_address_top_secret_conservative_0928.htm l




What Shall we do with this R. Paul Character?

Jimbo
10-02-2007, 08:16 PM
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Ron Paul's Presidential Message Can No Longer Be Ignored
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redrat11
10-03-2007, 07:25 AM
96 Days Left....

Mr. Kent Snyder
96 days left and you have yet to EXPOSE THE CRIMINALITY OF THE GOP FRONT-RUNNER Rudy. G. seems to me your the National Campaign Chairman, who exactly do you work for? If the people in the GOP are going to vote for R.Paul, they need to learn the Socialistic/NWO record of Rudy G.


October 02, 2007
To win
Our goal is to win.

We have 96 days, maybe less.

We have one shot.

*****

Yesterday afternoon, the Ron Paul 2008 staff came together to hear that message. I shared it with them then. I share it with you now.

Our goal is to win. Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination. Ron Paul becomes our next president.

We have 96 days, maybe less. The first contest will be January 5 in Wyoming. But Iowa will change its date to be earlier than Wyoming and New Hampshire will do the same. Michigan will hold its primary on January 15. South Carolina and Nevada are set for January 19, followed by Florida on January 29.

We have one shot. The time is right for this Ron Paul Revolution; there are many reasons why. But this opportunity we now hold in our hands will never come again.

The future of our nation lies with us, and with the people who will soon join this freedom movement.

We have the answer: freedom. We have the man: Ron Paul. We have each other.

We have what we need to win.

Kent Snyder
Chairman
Ron Paul 2008


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jimbo
10-03-2007, 09:48 AM
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http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg
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If it wasn’t because “we”, the fearless free thinkers of America, care about our Freedoms & our way of life, we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.


"If it wasn’t because our Founding Fathers, we wouldn’t have Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because of the “Constitution of the U.S.A.”, we wouldn’t have Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because our Congress have failed us time & time again, we would have not noticed Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because of unscrupulous Power, & the corruption that takes you there, we would have not noticed Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because of the Internet alone, we would have not noticed Ron Paul.

If we would have left it to the Media alone, we would have never noticed Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because our civil rights have been most recently infringed upon, stepped on, & literally trashed & disregarded, we would have not been screaming for Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because America the beautiful does not look so beautiful anymore (at least from where we are looking) we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because we have just recently lost the protections of both the “Posse Comitatus Act”, & “Habeas Corpus” alone, we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because America is being literally brought down by a secretly organized & pre-planned agenda, “controlled demolition” style, we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because our “privatized” fiat “currency” (the U.S. dollar) is running aground, at the speed of gravity, along with all of our hard earned personal wealth & savings, we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because of our anxiety of loosing our one last hope, our last streak of Freedom, we wouldn’t be seeking Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because “we are” the free & fearless thinkers of America, & not the cowardly followers of senseless carelessness, we wouldn’t have Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because we can truly & freely talk about “love, caring, country, God, Freedom, & future”, we wouldn’t have Ron Paul.

If it wasn’t because Ron Paul can talk about anything, with anyone, anywhere, we wouldn’t know Ron Paul.

It is because “we” do give a damn about our Constitution & our Civil Liberties, our God given Freedoms, & because “we” do care about “our” America & its Freedoms, that we are going to stand-up & “together” vote & elect Ron Paul as our U.S. President of 2008.

May God continue to look over our shoulders & bless America."- jcm 2007.


Ron Paul - Candiadate Ron Paul – Forbes Magazine
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2007/10/01/election-candidates-politics-oped-cz_rp_1002paul.html

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
10-03-2007, 12:18 PM
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Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008

Presidential Primaries & Caucuses - ("pdf" File)
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2008 Presidential Primaries - Yahoo Search
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Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Who are these people?


I ask a simple question, I get alot of rubbish, except from the "Ed Nunnemaker" poster.
***********************



Can someone please tell me who exactly is managing his national campaign? I don't think they are doing a good job, just my honest opinion.


Ed Nunnemaker Posted Oct 2, 2007 at 7:40 PM Link to this reply Quote in reply
user 4975814
El Mirage, AZ
13th Post

Phone Number: 703-248-9115

Kent Snyder
Chairman

Lew Moore
Campaign Manager

Joe Seehusen
Deputy Campaign Manager

Jesse Benton
Communications Director

Jonathan Bydlak
Fundraising Director

Justine Lam
eCampaign Director

Amanda Lee
Events Coordinator

Jeff Frazee
National Youth Coordinator

Karl Golovin
Security Director

Bill Dumas
Video Production Director


Dennis Fusaro
National Field Director

Jeff Greenspan
Regional Coordinator

Jared Chicoine
New Hampshire Coordinator

Andre Campos
Arizona & Utah Coordinator

Paul Garfield
Michigan Coordinator

Mark Elam
Texas Coordinator

Brian Gentry
South Carolina Coordinator

Marianne Stebbins
Minnesota Coordinator

Drew Ivers
Iowa Campaign Chairman

Joseph Becker
Chief Legal Counsel,
Policy Director

Alan P. Dye
Legal Counsel

Bruce Fein
Legal Counsel

Deana Watts
Treasurer


****** Posted Oct 2, 2007 at 8:13 PM Link to this reply Edit Delete Quote in reply
user 52*****
Phoenix, AZ
2nd Post

Thanks for that information, I will e-mail them and ask some pertinent questions. I don't understand why they have'nt exposed Rudy Guliannis horrendous record of managing New York City, he allowed it to be a sanctuary city, he is for abortion rights, he will not sign a pledge to not raise taxes. he supports a wider war (in IRAN), he is a free-trader and globalist, he supports the coming North American Union, the merger of The U.S, Canada and Mexico as one entity. and on and on...


Ed Vallejo Posted Oct 3, 2007 at 10:02 AM Link to this reply Quote in reply
Psychictaxi
Group Organizer
Phoenix, AZ
144th Post

I was going to say "Bozo, Homie, Boffo, and a bunch of other clowns" but now I'm more thinking of Moleman from the Simpsons. Supervised by Ralph Wiggums.


Ed Nunnemaker Posted Oct 3, 2007 at 1:55 PM Link to this reply Quote in reply
user 4975814
El Mirage, AZ
14th Post

Thanks for that information, I will e-mail them and ask some pertinent questions. I don't understand why they have'nt exposed Rudy Guliannis horrendous record of managing New York City, he allowed it to be a sanctuary city, he is for abortion rights, he will not sign a pledge to not raise taxes. he supports a wider war (in IRAN), he is a free-trader and globalist, he supports the coming North American Union, the merger of The U.S, Canada and Mexico as one entity. and on and on...

My personal opinion is they are trying to stay away from the childish games, no name calling and the like, to stay on point. They would rather Giuliani and the rest bury themselves, which they are doing a very good job of, right now. Focus on the message of Freedom and people will listen, once you start attacking people you have become one of them, I'm not saying that mentioning the facts occasionally is a bad idea, just do not focus on it.


Kelly F Posted Oct 3, 2007 at 2:07 PM Link to this reply Quote in reply
user 4378839
Phoenix, AZ
140th Post

Thanks for that information, I will e-mail them and ask some pertinent questions. I don't understand why they have'nt exposed Rudy Guliannis horrendous record of managing New York City, he allowed it to be a sanctuary city, he is for abortion rights, he will not sign a pledge to not raise taxes. he supports a wider war (in IRAN), he is a free-trader and globalist, he supports the coming North American Union, the merger of The U.S, Canada and Mexico as one entity. and on and on...

My personal opinion is they are trying to stay away from the childish games, no name calling and the like, to stay on point. They would rather Giuliani and the rest bury themselves, which they are doing a very good job of, right now. Focus on the message of Freedom and people will listen, once you start attacking people you have become one of them, I'm not saying that mentioning the facts occasionally is a bad idea, just do not focus on it.


Ditto! It worked for Reagan. Ron Paul is far too big of a man to worry about that stuff. He stays true to his character. If he started the dirty B.S. that the others dish out, I'd loose respect. But, I'm not worried, he won't do it.

****************
That's it, so a Candidate for Presidency of the U.S is not allowed to question another candidates position on Illegal Immigration, The (phony war) on terror,the North American Union, etc.. this is ridiculous, and does anyone here think that mentioning those things brands you as a 'attacker.'


If this is the mentality of R. Paul supporters then they're more brainwashed than the GOP'ers. I knew I should not have given my E-mail address to these people, now they are constantly E-mailing me with "pledges of support" in one form or another, attend this, help us here, show up here, make banners here, ENOUGH ALREADY!



We all know what happened to this country of ours in the past 100 years or so, this election will more than likely be no different than the rest, sure I still support R. Paul, and that's only because I respect his impeccable record of being HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY as far as his voting record is concerned, but, as far as my original post on this thread about him being a possible ZIO-stooge, well let's just say I'M 100% CONVINCED he knows alot about 9-11 that he will not divulge, maybe he can't, (death threats) none the less, I AM A CONSPIRACY BELIEVER! AND IT IS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT MATTERS, Not R. Paul or any of the other candidates. Or anyone reading this!




I think this person speaking on this video, DOES"NT KNOW JACK SHIT!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1383129538574650261&q=ron+paul+on+911&total=1098&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

BlueAngel
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
I guess this guy is running Ron Paul's campaign.

As he said, Ron Paul doesn't believe 911 was an inside job and I've stated the same.

Ron Paul wants to investigate 911 and make sure we have all the facts.

So, why doesn't he open an investigation now?

Oh, yes, I'm sure Ron Paul will get all the facts for us once an investigation is opened.

Probably in the form of an open and shut case.

No government involvement!

redrat11
10-04-2007, 07:45 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I guess this guy is running Ron Paul's campaign.

As he said, Ron Paul doesn't believe 911 was an inside job and I've stated the same.

Ron Paul wants to investigate 911 and make sure we have all the facts.

So, why doesn't he open an investigation now?

Oh, yes, I'm sure Ron Paul will get all the facts for us once an investigation is opened.

Probably in the form of an open and shut case.

No government involvement!



It is a very difficult situation BA, No-One can say with 100% certainty that R. Paul will not change one IOTA of the present situation at hand, YES, the odds are against it, but, I spoke my mind on the post above yours, and I stand by it, when you think about it logically, it does'nt add up. HOWCOME people are all of a sudden getting so worked up over one candidate, sure he's a GREAT ONCE IN A LIFETIME CANDIDATE, But, alot of things are not adding up, And I really never thought I'd say this, but, As I see and read the behavior of R. Paul supporters, and I don't mean the ones on the sideline, I mean the actual people doing the labor work of promoting him, I sense a CULT like group like those that got George W Bush in office, this may seem silly at best, just my observation, none the less, R. Paul is by far the best candidate out there period!

BlueAngel
10-04-2007, 08:19 PM
Your statement is contradictory.

If you suspect the same type of "cult" like people who had George W. Bush elected are the same type that are vying to have Ron Paul elected, how could you possibly believe Ron Paul is still the best candidate out there?

The "secret government," the satanic cult, the elitists, the banksters, always place one of their operatives in the White House.

I made an earlier observation on this thread as to the "strangeness" of it in relation to comments made by posters(s) about Ron Paul.

redrat11
10-04-2007, 09:17 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Your statement is contradictory.

If you suspect the same type of "cult" like people who had George W. Bush elected are the same type that are vying to have Ron Paul elected, how could you possibly believe Ron Paul is still the best candidate out there?

The "secret government," the satanic cult, the elitists, the banksters, always place one of their operatives in the White House.

I made an earlier observation on this thread as to the "strangeness" of it in relation to comments made by posters(s) about Ron Paul.


That's very easy to answer, The same type of people who elected G.W.B, are not the same type of people who are R. Paul fanatics, Bushites were fanatical Christain Zionist, while Paulites are freedom fanatics, they exhibit a highly (how shall I say this politely) extra deep down belief that R. Paul is this Countries last hope.



To them, I would believe somewhat, as R. Paul has said he has a strong Christian Faith, (G.W.B, also said that.) And well in my humble opinion, it will take a most upright and trustworthy person to accomplish this, R. Paul fits the bill.


And you have not provided one centilla of evidence that R. Paul is part of the Cabal. As I said this 'situation' WE THE PEOPLE find ourselves in is very remarkable indeed, if the wrong choice is made, then more tyrrany is ahead, if the right choice is made, there exist at least on paper a small chance that government can be downsized,of course the whole situation could be a massive "charade" on a biblical scale, this to absolutely nail down the coffin on the American Republic.



I would be very interested in knowing if Makow thinks R. Paul is for real or not, I suspect he is waiting for more clues to his past. Has anyone E-mailed him about this?

BlueAngel
10-04-2007, 09:52 PM
redrat11 wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Your statement is contradictory.

If you suspect the same type of "cult" like people who had George W. Bush elected are the same type that are vying to have Ron Paul elected, how could you possibly believe Ron Paul is still the best candidate out there?

The "secret government," the satanic cult, the elitists, the banksters, always place one of their operatives in the White House.

I made an earlier observation on this thread as to the "strangeness" of it in relation to comments made by posters(s) about Ron Paul.


That's very easy to answer, The same type of people who elected G.W.B, are not the same type of people who are R. Paul fanatics, Bushites were fanatical Christain Zionist, while Paulites are freedom fanatics, they exhibit a highly (how shall I say this politely) extra deep down belief that R. Paul is this Countries last hope.

The problem lies in the fact that I interpreted your reference to the same type of cult placing GWB in power as the "satanic cult," and not fanatical Christian Zionists.

That's not the case.

The facts are that the "secret satanic governemnt" places their operatives in power and not the people.

Both Bush elections are questionable.




To them, I would believe somewhat, as R. Paul has said he has a strong Christian Faith, (G.W.B, also said that.) And well in my humble opinion, it will take a most upright and trustworthy person to accomplish this, R. Paul fits the bill.


And you have not provided one centilla of evidence that R. Paul is part of the Cabal. As I said this 'situation' WE THE PEOPLE find ourselves in is very remarkable indeed, if the wrong choice is made, then more tyrrany is ahead, if the right choice is made, there exist at least on paper a small chance that government can be downsized,of course the whole situation could be a massive "charade" on a biblical scale, this to absolutely nail down the coffin on the American Republic.

I don't have to provide evidence that Ron Paul is a part of the cabal. Not sure if I even said so in those words. You may be mis-quoting. However, I can state my opinon and my opinion is that their operatives are always placed in power. I also stated that if Ron Paul was not a part of the cabal, he would not be placed in power, or, if by some miracle, he were, he would probably be assassinated.



I would be very interested in knowing if Makow thinks R. Paul is for real or not, I suspect he is waiting for more clues to his past. Has anyone E-mailed him about this?

I questioned Dr. Makow's opinion of Ron Paul and there was a comment posted on his site by a reader that questioned Ron Paul's loyalty and a statement by Makow that the reader's opinion did not express the view of the website. I suppose Makow may have an opinion and weigh-in at some point. I would also think that research as to his past is probably on-going and will be delivered in due time.

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 09:48 AM
If the Ron Paul supporters are working like the 'cult' that got GW elected, I simply ask where I may sign up to join the cult -- because I'm trying to get Ron Paul elected.

I didn't realize until now that we were a cult, but hey whatever it takes. It might be better if the media would actually call us a cult, then we might even be feared. And this would be good because we want our opponants trembling on election day.

BlueAngel
10-05-2007, 09:50 AM
I don't think a sign-up sheet is mandatory to join the "cult."

Simply "carry on!"

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 10:05 AM
You have to love media buzz-wording..."cult".

Join the Ron Paul 'Cult'.

I am now a 'Cultist'. We are the Anti-IRS, Anti-Federal Reserve, Anti-NWO, Anti-NAU, Anti-Globalist, 'Cult'.

I kind of like that, actually. Makes me kind of feel good about myself, like being home for the holidays.

BlueAngel
10-05-2007, 10:19 AM
Just because RedRat commented that Ron Paul supporters remind him of the same kind of "cult" that put Bush in the White House doesn't make it so.

However, if RedRat's suggestion propels you into accepting his opinion as fact, I assume his words might have more power over you than your own thoughts.

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 10:30 AM
The cult!

You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if 'cult' is one of the key words the spiders track? I sure do hope so.

Jimbo
10-10-2007, 05:48 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLBI35aswAM

Ron Paul - Hope For America - Ad - Video
http://www.spotrunner.com/Ads/Host/Play.aspx?cde=A1PK

Ron Paul - Commercial Ads - Videos
http://www.operationnh.com/commercials.html

Ron Paul - YouTube Archives - yT Videos
http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008DotCom

Ron Paul - The Voice Of Freedom - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdZ29vtl18&NR=1

Ron Paul - GOP Presidential Candidates Just Don't Get - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-PxT12rpE

PNAC Rebuilding America's Senses DL Lecture - gG Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8545414779301935419&q=pnac&total=1226&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
10-10-2007, 08:45 PM
Ron Paul's Celebration Of Life & Liberty - 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ron Paul's Celebration Of Life & Liberty
Ron Paul's 8 Part Series... Speaking Engagement - June 30, 2007

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P1 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHOGAIhprSs

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P2 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2xs9cpmFBo

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P3 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGxQygHJpw

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P4 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjKfO5BWnw

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P5 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjvLbmfXiqM

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P6 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgsWP0AEoY

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P7 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSO70xn1YA

Ron Paul - Celebration Of Life & Liberty - P8 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegPF440Tgc

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-12-2007, 06:42 PM
Warning! Warning! for Ron Paul this weekend.


PTB on the attack against R. Paul like never before.


http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=25401&st=0


NOTE: the administrator of "the unhinged mind" KOOK site is the real LIAR!



http://infowars.net/articles/october2007/121007Smear.htm

redrat11
10-13-2007, 02:40 PM
Who's Private Residence?

Who's private residence was Ron Paul at last Night? And of all places NYC?????

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/events/new-york-city-evening/

redrat11
10-14-2007, 10:24 AM
So Good, So Far...


When is the last time you ever seen such ENTHUSIASM for a political candidate, (JFK..) I'M not going to bother to attempt to dig up garbage on R. Paul anymore, This is a serious matter to these U.S. and to everybody concerned with changing things around. If anyone does,nt think things can change then THEY ARE DELUDED!



I think even Ron Paul is surprised, just think if any every magor U.S. City, the kind of crowds like in NYC came out all in one day of SUPPORT, that's why I've been cynical toward the CAMPAIGN, I think it could be run far better if certain things were changed,but, who am I? nobody out here in the land.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/10/14/acosta.ron.paul.cnn

redrat11
10-14-2007, 02:05 PM
Phoenix Rising!!!!!!!!



Night and Day.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pHDzAnJPBU

redrat11
10-14-2007, 04:51 PM
http://www.militaryforpaul.com/video.html




http://www.militaryforpaul.com/donations.html

Jimbo
10-15-2007, 06:40 PM
God, Country, Freedom – Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/image/48.jpg
Honorable Congressman Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/image/48.jpg)

God, Country, Freedom – Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008
The fearless Free Thinkers of America, & those who care about our Freedoms & our way of life, will vote for Ron Paul for President 2008.

Ron Paul - Dr Know - State Of The Union - yT Video
Highlights of the "Celebration Of Life & Liberty" Series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohAJ20B4tU

Ron Paul - A New Hope - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA

Ron Paul - Ann Arbor Rally - fP Video Clip
http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=165

Ron Paul - Ann Arbor Rally - fP Video
http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=171

Ron Paul - On Health Care - fP Video
http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=99

Ron Paul - Surprised CNN - Video
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/10/14/acosta.ron.paul.cnn

Ron Paul - Revolution Interstate Billboards - yT Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z7rK8FP3Pcg

Ron Paul Interview w PBS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/paul_10-12.html

Ron Paul 2008 - Get Involved - Downloads
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/get-involved/downloads

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-18-2007, 06:21 AM
R. Paul on the NWO....



Grainy Video




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW8iICBkLYs

Jimbo
10-18-2007, 09:30 AM
God, Country, Freedom – Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/october2007/081007paul.jpg
Honorable Congressman Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/october2007/081007paul.jpg)

God, Country, Freedom – Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008
The fearless Free Thinkers of America, & those who care about our Freedoms & our way of life, will vote for Ron Paul for President 2008.

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P01 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzyopc9rUWk

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P02 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEQwomaJ3ms

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P03 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBMXhGPM5AQ

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P04 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVCcEYwJJig

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P05 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9jGowRtt8

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P06 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIyEG1l5Db4

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPrupS-0Zow

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P08 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGrsTU3h3U

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P09 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s68B1DDQewQ

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P10 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrW4_6NzXI

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P11 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JZRIbOUt4

Ron Paul - Republican Debate 9-27-07 - P12 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f21_a8y5BXw

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-20-2007, 05:00 PM
Notice Here....


Notice Here at the exact 6 minute mark in the interview, the DOD (Department of Defence) signal interrupts R. Pauls answer to a lady questioning the military role in IRAQ and elsewhere.


Can it get more blatant.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMY1f8T4a9w

Jimbo
10-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/october2007/081007paul.jpg">
<a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/october2007/081007paul.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008</a>

Ron Paul – November 5th 2007
Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008 – Be Part Of It…

<center>Ron Paul U.S. President 2008 – Be A Part Of It</center>
<center>"A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy." – Guy Fawkes</center>
<center>This November 5th...</center>
<center>We have a new mission for a new day!</center>
<center>We now face many truths that were false and countless people have died..</center>
<center> (Strength Through Unity Unity Through Faith)</center>
<center>They said there were Weapons of Mass Destruction...</center>
<center>They said the Iraquis wanted democracy and were ready to die for it..</center>
<center>I regret to inform you they lied..</center>
<center>We currently have 70,000 Myspace supporters</center>
<center>32,000 YouTube subscriptions</center>
<center>1000 Meetup Groups across the USA</center>
<center>Our Goal</center>
<center>Have every capable American citizen who supports Ron Paul to donate $100 dollars on</center>
<center>November 5th.</center>
<center>This mass donation and complete participation of 100,000 people donating on the same day.</center>
<center>It will be the single largest day in American history for any presidential candidate.</center>
<center>The Goal is too reach 10 million dollars in on day.</center>
<center>"People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people"</center>
<center>FOR.. LIBERTY</center>
<center>FOR.. FREEDOM</center>
<center>NO MORE!!</center>
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<center>Freedom! Forever!</center>
<center>Restore the Republic</center>
<center>RonPaul2008.com</center>
<center> (Be a part of it)</center>
November 5th For Ron Paul – yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_9fip694A

Ron Paul Campaign – Remember The 5th of November – yT Videos
http://thisnovember5th.com

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-22-2007, 09:07 PM
Donations....



http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/donors.html

Jimbo
10-25-2007, 08:16 PM
Honorable Congressman Ron Paul - U.S. President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/241105paul.jpg">
<a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/241105paul.jpg" target="_blank">Honorable Congressman Ron Paul - U.S. President 2008</a>

God, Country, Freedom – Ron Paul – U.S. President 2008
The fearless Free Thinkers of America, & those who care about our Freedoms & our way of life, will vote for Ron Paul for President 2008.

Ron Paul - Right Now - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icPHUrXEZhM

Ron Paul - From Past To Present - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg-qsOA0NPk

Ron Paul - Revolutionary Walk To Freedom - yT Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jLnT_ojNZUM

The Ron Paul For President 2008 Revolution - Videos & Articles
http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com

Ron Paul - ABC News Nomination Poll
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/popup?id=3746547&POLL310=4000000000000000000000000000

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-27-2007, 01:50 AM
Ron Paul Speaks..


GOP NEEDS TO CHANGE...

Ron Paul (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/25/politics/politicalplayers/main3412826.shtml?source=mostpop_story)

redrat11
10-28-2007, 10:47 AM
Youth for Ron Paul...


http://www.huntingtonnews.net/editor/071028-ed.html

Jimbo
10-31-2007, 06:53 PM
Ron Paul - President 2008 - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://www.huntingtonnews.net/images/ron_paulpic.jpg" height=500 width=398>
<a href="http://www.huntingtonnews.net/images/ron_paulpic.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul - President 2008</a>

Ron Paul - President 2008 - Champion of The Constitution

The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno - Ron Paul - Tue Oct 30, 2007
Select "This Week Guest"-"Tuesday", Click on "Video", Select "Episode"-"Tuesday",
Select "Chapter"-"Chapter-5" (if you want to go straight to "Ron Paul")
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/

Ron Paul - Congressional Discussion On The Federal Reserve - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

Ron Paul For President - Re-Legalize The Constitution - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pda-rT1sf2M

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
11-03-2007, 11:00 AM
Ron Paul's November 5th's "Victory Day" - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" height=375 width=341><img src="http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0710/wron_1112.jpg" height=375 width=500>
<a href="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul - U.S. President 2008</a>

Ron Paul's November 5th's "Victory Day"

On Behalf of Ron Paul - Nov 5th's Victory Day
Our "Goal" is to collect a "minimum" of 100,000 "Personal Campaign Contributions" of $100 Dollars (USD) each, and thus raise a "minimum" of $10,000,000 Million Dollars (USD) from individuals from all walks of life, and to bring Ron Paul's Campaign up to the "Next Level". Ron Paul has demonstrated to have the wits, the knowledge, the enthusiasm, the energy, the love, and Wisdom needed to bring America back. Ron Paul's platform is that of the Constitution of the U.S.A. and its original intent of true Freedom, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, which belongs to every man, woman, and child. This includes the protection of their Freedom and their Unalienable Rights. Rights, which as per our Constitution, can not be removed by any government under any circumstance. In a world were a monopoly of prosperity, an unfair distribution of wealth, more greed, the lust of power, despotism, and just plain disregard for both humanity and our planet have been established by a secret and occult elite, Ron Paul is our only "Hope" for a true "America". Let's make America beautiful again. Let's together bring Ron Paul to power.

Ron Paul - November 5th Turning Point - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjeesC9NnzU

Ron Paul - November 5th Victory Day - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWqD8egO9w

Ron Paul - On The Hard Realities Of Our Economy - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziN3gt-hic

Ron Paul On The Federal Reserve - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

Ron Paul - On The Tonight Show w Jay Leno - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1EFHgUXZaU

Neo-Cons Never Rest To Find Ways To Harm Us
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_neocons_dream_up_alex_jone_ron_paul_plot. htm

Ron Paul Popular Even Among GOP
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/NEWS01/711020382

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
11-03-2007, 05:42 PM
?



http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/031107Meteoric.htm

Jimbo
11-03-2007, 09:49 PM
Smarmy Snarkster Demeans Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016580.html

Transcript:

Tucker: (3:31 m:s)
L.A. Times columnist, Joel Stein. Let's take a close look at what he calls, "The Ron Paul Revolution", in this week's Time Magazine.

Well, Joel. Thanks for coming on. I'm impressed that you dared to enter the Ron Paul world. Good for you. What is this about? Who are his fans?

Stein:
Oh man... they are... crazy!!! I... they are not just on the Internet. They show up to see h'm speak. Like I saw maybe...I don't know... Seven hundred (700) people show up for 300 hundred seats out in Iowa. It's amazing!

Tucker:
What, What, Why? Ok, let me just, just for those who haven't read. Let me read one of the opening lines of this piece, this week. Ah,... ah, that you wrote about Ron Paul.

Stein:
Give, give it, give it your all, though!

Tucker:
Ah, I, ...I will.

Stein:
Yeah!

Tucker:
(Screaming) Ron Paul goes to a college & delivers this same speech he's given for 30 years for his political career. The one spousing Austrian school of economics. Only now the audience is packed w/ hundreds of kids & Ron Paul t-shirts, & go nuts. They give standing ovations when he drones on about getting rid of the Federal Reserve & returning to (laughing) the Gold Standard.

Now what is that? Are they really there because they want to return to the Gold Standard?

Stein:
You know... I couldn't figure it out 'cause he would about like ah, "legalizing drugs", or "ending the drug war", & then he would talk about "ending the war in Iraq",... again, they would applaud, but "they went crazy" for the "fiscal" stuff.

I think it's the ah... the only thing I can get out of talking to people was that they see that there is something "corrupt going on" w/ the "military industrial complex", whether it's Black-Water or Haliburton. And he seems to be like the "radical" one to "change it".

Tucker:
So it's not, it's not just about the war. They are not just "liberals" who are "mad about the war" & he's got the most "radical" position. ...in the Republican Party. It's,... they like the idea about a "small government"? You think?

Stein:
I think they like just like that he seems like the guy from "network". Who's going to yell & tell Washington to screw itself. I think,... (surprised) he is just a "radical". ...This year.

Tucker:
How does he,... how does he seem about that? I mean, you say it's kind of bewildering for him to all of the sudden be popular, after decades of relative obscurity. Does he seem comfortable w/ it?

Stein:
(exited)Yeah! ...he seems confused, he s..., I think he believes that after 30 years,... it just took a long time for people to hear h'm. And they are finally paying attention. So, I think that he feels really vindicated.

He is also like this little nerdy guy, who is confused. I mean,... he is used to speaking to small groups of people about obscure subjects. ...So it's pretty freaky, I think.

Tucker:
Is he a good,... & I say this as someone, who I voted for last time in '88, & I like Ron Paul a lot. But I,... I never thought if he is a good speaker. Has he gotten better?

Stein:
No... He's horrible. He's like the professor who you know, you know he's smart. His book was supposedly really good. But you know, they are not going to stay up the whole class. But ah... he does it. He is like... There is something charming about h'm. He's an older,... cute little guy.

Tucker:
What?... Describe the average Ron Paul fan. Are they like the dean followers?

Stein:
No... no. They are definitely nerdier than the dean followers. I heard the dean followers, 4 years ago in New Hampshire, they are a good looking group. They are like little Kennedy kind of, you know, JFK kind of followers. These people are, ah, ...are pretty nerdy & hard core. Like I saw a guy standing in Iowa outside of the speech w/ like a tri-cornered hat, ringing a bell, w/ a full revolutionary suit. Ahm... there is a lot of a... obviously there is a lot of 911 truther's? Like to the far left who like him. There is a lot of anarchists. Like November 5th ..(guy-fox???) day, as his big fund raising day, that his followers have created. So, ah,... there are a lot of freaks out there.

Tucker:
Wow. Ho.. (laughing)

Stein:
Including you apparently (obviously referring about the "freaks") right?

Tucker:
(laughing) That's ah,... so (guy-fox???) day. Boy you caught me of guard w/ that one. That's farther out even than I realized. Joel Stein, cataloging... The far reaches of the campaign trail. Thanks very much.

Stein:
Thank you.

----------------------------------------

These 2 idiots were definitely hand picked for the job, with nothing intelligent to say, & no intelligent angles. Nothing about Freedom, or the "loss" of our Freedoms for that matter. Forget about the Patriot Act, Posse Comitatus, or even Habeas Corpus. If they consider Ron Paul to be a “horrible speaker”, then what would their opinion be of George Bush Jr.? Oops... sorry. I forgot, they are not allowed to critique the select president, & be labeled "evil-lovers". Otherwise, they would loose their highly paid jobs, that provide absolutely nothing for the betterment of society. Empty, garbage-filled propaganda.

Jimbo
11-04-2007, 12:24 AM
Ron Paul's November 5th's "Victory Day" - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" height=375 width=341><img src="http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0710/wron_1112.jpg" height=375 width=500>
<a href="http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/10/01/paul.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul - U.S. President 2008</a>

"1" Day - To Ron Paul's November 5th's "Victory Day"

On Behalf of Ron Paul - Nov 5th's Victory Day
Our "Goal" is to collect a "minimum" of 100,000 "Personal Campaign Contributions" of $100 Dollars (USD) each, and thus raise a "minimum" of $10,000,000 Million Dollars (USD) from individuals from all walks of life, and to bring Ron Paul's Campaign up to the "Next Level". Ron Paul has demonstrated to have the wits, the knowledge, the enthusiasm, the energy, the love, and Wisdom needed to bring America back. Ron Paul's platform is that of the Constitution of the U.S.A. and its original intent of true Freedom, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, which belongs to every man, woman, and child. This includes the protection of their Freedom and their Unalienable Rights. Rights, which as per our Constitution, can not be removed by any government under any circumstance. In a world were a monopoly of prosperity, an unfair distribution of wealth, more greed, the lust of power, despotism, and just plain disregard for both humanity and our planet have been established by a secret and occult elite, Ron Paul is our only "Hope" for a true "America". Let's make America beautiful again. Let's together bring Ron Paul to power.

Ron Paul - November 5th Turning Point - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjeesC9NnzU

Ron Paul - November 5th Victory Day - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWqD8egO9w

Ron Paul - On The Hard Realities Of Our Economy - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziN3gt-hic

Ron Paul On The Federal Reserve - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

Ron Paul - On The Tonight Show w Jay Leno - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1EFHgUXZaU

Neo-Cons Never Rest To Find Ways To Harm Us
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_neocons_dream_up_alex_jone_ron_paul_plot. htm

Ron Paul Popular Even Among GOP
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/NEWS01/711020382

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
11-04-2007, 02:16 AM
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BlueAngel
11-05-2007, 09:58 PM
They are all handpicked for their respective jobs, just the same as politicians are.

redrat11
11-06-2007, 05:41 AM
HOLY ?????...


Ron Paul sets all time RECORD for fundraising in 24 hours!


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3822989&page=1






Yes, Dreams can come true! Pray for our future President.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Shadow
11-06-2007, 10:11 AM
What are you watching?

redrat11
11-07-2007, 05:59 PM
Ron Paul will Bring the TROOPS HOME!


Ron Paul Video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQmaGj6dpsM

Jimbo
11-11-2007, 10:47 AM
We Can't Have Freedom Without Truth - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/10/us/paulHP600.jpg">
<a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/10/us/paulHP600.jpg" target="_blank">Ron Paul –President 2008 – On The Campaign Trail</a>

We Can't Have Freedom Without Truth

We Can't Have Freedom Without Truth
We can't have Freedom w/o Truth . We can't have Freedom w/o being able to "speak" that Truth & w/ the repression to do so by an oppressive government. We can't have Freedom w/o the " Checks & Balances" of the different branches of government. We can't have Freedom in a Republic where the President has a " secret & personal" agenda. We can't have Freedom if " The People" are not being “faithfully & fairly” represented. If our government relies on “false” events, & “false” sequence of events, “false” witnesses, “false” evidence, “false” pretences, "false & fabricated" enemies, & ultimately, “false” history, we can not be a "Free" people. We can't have Freedom w/o the protection to "unreasonable searches & seizure" & w/o the ability to be able to legally "defend" ourselves from "any charges". We can not be Free w/o "Habeas Corpus". Without these basic rights, w/o these basic legal protections, anyone can be stripped from their Freedom, at any time, plain & simple. If a “dubious” enemy that is detained under “dubious” evidence, & held w/o charge can be "tortured", then "anyone" can be "tortured". When a “governant” can, at the "will" of his "thought" alone, deem anyone an "enemy" w/o these "basic rights", w/o any kind of "legal protections", & w/o any oversight, then that person ("enemy" or "not"), seizes to be a "Free" people. When anyone is treated "inhumanely", then that makes those who provided that treatment, "inhumane". You can't have it both ways. You can not pretend to be a "humane" society, & act "inhumanely". A “governant” that acts w/o any oversight from Congress or "The People" becomes a "Tyrant", becomes, a "Dictator". What makes a "Dictator" more effective than a "legal" Congress w/ an oversight? Absolutely, nothing. To the contrary. That "Tyrant" can run "mad" & do "illegal" things, bend, distort, & transform the truth unrecognizable , or even make-the-truth (which becomes a " falsehood") in order to achieve his " secret & personal" agenda. With a "Tyrant", w/ a "Dictator" a Republic we are no longer .

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." – Abraham Lincoln

"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom , and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." – Abraham Lincoln

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." – Abraham Lincoln

"If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution." – Abraham Lincoln

"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem . It is true that you may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln

There is no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending. - Albert Einstein

Ron Paul - Our Republic Dissolving Into A Military Dictatorship
"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country to devolve into a military dictatorship, and few seem to care." – Rep. Ron Paul
http://www.rense.com/general79/ambush.htm

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Jimbo
11-14-2007, 05:39 PM
The Ron Paul's "Spirit of Freedom" Does It Again - 8-) 8-) 8-)

The Ron Paul's "Spirit of Freedom" Does It Again

<img src="http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5884/adtopni4.jpg">
<img src="http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6131/adbottomxw6.jpg">

USA Today Ad Creator & Other Hard-Money Pros Put $s Behind Ron Paul
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51414

Ron Paul's Ad (Scroll Down)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=36509&highlight=usa+today

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
11-14-2007, 07:57 PM
Here is an excerpt from Makow's most recent article:

Fulford was correct when he said that opponents of the NWO had to take out the top Illuminati. This is the only thing they fear: an armed and aroused population. Democracy is a charade. The mass media is an instrument of social control. They want to keep us campaigning for Ron Paul and writing letters to the editor.

Don't misunderstand me. Paul would be a great President but the process is fixed. He hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

-----------------------------------------------

Similar to what I have stated as far as Paul not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning because the process is fixed.

They only allow their OPERATIVES to occupy the White House.

http://www.henrymakow.com/fulford_emerges_as_an_endearin.html

Jimbo
11-14-2007, 10:21 PM
The American "Thought" Revolution - 8-) 8-) 8-)

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/21/timestopics/tp-ronpaul190.jpg" height=554 width=360>
<a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/21/timestopics/tp-ronpaul190.jpg" target="_blank">Congressman Ron Paul - President 2008</a>

The American "Thought" Revolution...
Because "Freedom" is not only Popular, it is Contagious...

The American "Thought" Revolution - Freedom Is Popular & Contageous

Ron Paul - A Freedom Revolution Already Underway - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYTLOOLSyP8&feature=related

Ron Paul - Great Interview Oct-24-07 - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeXhqPIN3qE&feature=related

Ron Paul - Interesting Interview w FOX News - yT Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOrRpNZ9R3E&feature=related

"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country to devolve into a ”Military Dictatorship”, and few seem to care." – Rep. Ron Paul

<ol><li>Restore the Constitution.</li>
<li>Withdrawing US troops from Iraq.</li>
<li>Stop the ongoing slaughter of Iraqi civilians.</li>
<li>Restore the rule of law.</li>
<li>Repeal the Patriot Act.</li>
<li>Repeal the Military Commissions Act.</li>
<li>Reinstate Posse Comitatus.</li>
<li>Reinstate Due Process.</li>
<li>Reinstate Habeas Corpus.</li>
<li>Reinstate the "Presumption of Innocence".</li>
<li>Reinstate Civil Liberties.</li>
<li>Make sure all prisoners – whether Americans or foreign nationals – are treated w/in treaty obligations of the Geneva Convention, the Bill of Rights, and the basic tenets of human decency.</li>
<li>No more "torture".</li>
<li>Stop the government's "spying" on the American people.</li>
<li>Rebuild confidence in our currency, our markets, and our trade policies.</li>
<li>Revamp the IRS, the Federal Reserve, & Dept. of Education.</li></ol>
Good. Let the battle begin. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Every generation needs a new revolution."

The Media’s Plan to Ambush Ron Paul
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18681.htm

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
11-22-2007, 10:39 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Here is an excerpt from Makow's most recent article:

Fulford was correct when he said that opponents of the NWO had to take out the top Illuminati. This is the only thing they fear: an armed and aroused population. Democracy is a charade. The mass media is an instrument of social control. They want to keep us campaigning for Ron Paul and writing letters to the editor.

Don't misunderstand me. Paul would be a great President but the process is fixed. He hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

-----------------------------------------------

Similar to what I have stated as far as Paul not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning because the process is fixed.

They only allow their OPERATIVES to occupy the White House.

http://www.henrymakow.com/fulford_emerges_as_an_endearin.html

----------------------------------------------

I agree with Dr. Makow that Ron Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidential election as of this date.

However, I cannot say with certainty that this is the situation because he is not one that was born and bred for the job.

It could all be under the guise of "unknowingly."

If he was not born and bread for the job, and by some chance, is elected, control mechanisms, if not already in place, will be instituted.

Therefore, it is my opinion, that he would not make a great President either way due to THE CONTROLLERS.

Great minds don't always think alike.

Jimbo
11-22-2007, 01:38 PM
Courage Against All Odds - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.myhero.com/images/freedom/revere/paul3.jpg" height=400 width=350><img src="http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/revgfx/rides.jpg" height=400 width=375>
<a href="http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/revgfx/rides.jpg" target="_blank">Paul Revere Rides</a>

The Heroes of Freedom
"We owe them. The least we can do is honor them by acting w/ the same resolve of fearless courage & devotion to Freedom, against all odds, & against any circumstance. For Spirit has always existed, & it always will..."

The “Spirit” of Freedom

It is because of brave men like Paul Revere, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, John Adams, Ron Paul & others like them, to which today we owe our "Freedom", or whatever glimpses of real Freedom we actually have. Because of their courage & not their fear is that we are here today being able to converse & write about these ideas. Their resolve to pursue & act amidst opposition & to continue until their vision of Freedom was achieved to the best of their abilities is the “Spirit of Freedom”. Spirit is a life force that comes from within & without this universe. This force can never be destroyed.

"Paul Revere is a hero because he risked his life for the colonists. He was a messenger transporting information between the colonies of Lexington and Concord. The members of these colonies were fighting against “Taxation Without Representation." Paul Revere made the famous Midnight Ride from Boston to Concord. He warned the colonists, “The British are coming.” Paul Revere was one of the few living witnesses to hear the first shots of the American Revolutionary War."

“During the Midnight Ride, Paul had to overcome being sought after and captured by the British soldiers. He may have seen the Boston Massacre on Monday, March 5, 1770, an infamous event in American history. Paul was brave enough to travel to England following the Boston Tea Party to deliver a message to King George III explaining the reasons for the Tea Party” FREEDOM HERO: PAUL REVERE – by Sam from New York –
<a href="http://www.myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=revere_new_york" target="_blank">http://www.myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=revere_new_york</a>

For anyone to think that Ron Paul “hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning” is merely a shortcoming in their inability to realize the power of Spirit, & their inability to envision the “Spirit of Freedom” at work, which is as “alive” today as it was then in March 5th, 1770. Many times throughout history it has been demonstrated that this power is capable of performing & manifesting supernatural acts of Spirit – or miraculous events.

As for “Paul Revere was not a self-centered coward because he was more concerned for others than for his own safety .”

If anyone does not understand, that is just because, to know Spirit, you have to be in touch w/ your Spirit.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Barbara
11-24-2007, 10:48 PM
Courage is not the absence of fear but what we do in spite of that fear.

Most great and small acts of courage are based on love. love of country, love of liberty, love for an individual, but love nonetheless.

"I could not love thee so much loved I not freedom more."

The Ron Paul R3VOLution is very aptly written and expressed by his supporters.

Jimbo
11-25-2007, 10:11 AM
Fear - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

Fear is not necessarily a bad thing. It is a natural emotion that warns you of an external threat to your self, whether this threat is physical, emotional, mental, or even spiritual. However, when we fear based on false information, such as propaganda based on falsehoods, then we spend energy unnecessarily, fearing, & this affects our abilities to think, make sound judgement, & even react, & respond to real threats. This emotional & mental energy spent in fearing can have a physiological impact, & not only tire us physically, but it can cause real stress, which can cause & manifest into physical illness. So fear based propaganda is w/o a doubt a psychological war against the population at large.

But “absolutely”. Some of these writings state that they did in fact live in fear, which was a motivating factor for their ideas, the documents they redacted, & the courageous actions they took. And it was the selfless love for country & others that enabled them to act in courage & in spite of fear. What else could be a greater force than love. But not just love for the material, but love for Spirit & what that really is.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
11-25-2007, 01:40 PM
Which, I might add, at times, on this site, and other anti-Illuminati sites, fear based propaganda seems to be prevalent.

I wonder why!

redrat11
12-03-2007, 07:32 PM
Makow is Wrong


Henry is seeing things that are not there.


http://www.henrymakow.com/_a_reader_has_pointed.html

And this Zionist Shill from GLP is silly

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message465570/pg1



http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message470388/pg1

redrat11
12-03-2007, 07:52 PM
NOPE!

R. Paul is not giving the Devil salute, this is non sense


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Nope

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Nope

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If you look into it, its just a simple gesture


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203237

redrat11
12-03-2007, 08:01 PM
NOPE!

R. Paul is not giving the Devil salute, this is non sense


<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/D5HWR8NdIoM&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/D5HWR8NdIoM&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>



Nope

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jpnajrx7FGM&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jpnajrx7FGM&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>


Nope

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BjpjUZBcsss&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BjpjUZBcsss&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>



If you look into it, its just a simple gesture


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203237



And by the way, David Icke is a complete fraud, anyone who believes that shape shifting reptiles are running the planet, needs to get there head examined. Some of his material is interesting, but, not much. :-o


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

BlueAngel
12-03-2007, 08:36 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Here is an excerpt from Makow's most recent article:

Fulford was correct when he said that opponents of the NWO had to take out the top Illuminati. This is the only thing they fear: an armed and aroused population. Democracy is a charade. The mass media is an instrument of social control. They want to keep us campaigning for Ron Paul and writing letters to the editor.

Don't misunderstand me. Paul would be a great President but the process is fixed. He hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

-----------------------------------------------

Similar to what I have stated as far as Paul not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning because the process is fixed.

They only allow their OPERATIVES to occupy the White House.

http://www.henrymakow.com/fulford_emerges_as_an_endearin.html

----------------------------------------------

I agree with Dr. Makow that Ron Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidential election as of this date.

However, I cannot say with certainty that this is the situation because he is not one that was born and bred for the job.

It could all be under the guise of "unknowingly."

If he was not born and bread for the job, and by some chance, is elected, control mechanisms, if not already in place, will be instituted.

Therefore, it is my opinion, that he would not make a great President either way due to THE CONTROLLERS.

Great minds don't always think alike.

We have already discussed the devil's salute by Ron Paul earlier in this thread when captured on video and Barbara insisted it represented "I Love You."

Obviously it does not.

Please Ron, Get a Clue
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
November 30, 2007

Why Can't He Just Wave? (Is there anything more all-American, and inclusive?)

A reader has pointed out that Ron Paul has a habit of flashing something like the horned goat handsign . She sent 5 "You Tubes" in which he does this and as a result, she has now withdrawn her support. She notified his campaign manager who laughed it off as the "rock on" sign.

She says Paul has been on Alex Jones show and should know the significance of this sign, which Illuminati like Clinton and Bush flash regularly. She also points out that Paul worked for Ronald Reagan who was certainly Illuminati. Reagan was for small government and against abortion as well.

True, the thumb is in a different place than the horned goat. It is extended rather than folded over the fingers. Some say this is the "Hawaian universal hang loose" sign. Others say it is "I love you" in universal sign language or the sign of "The UTexas Longhorns." Whatever. It is much too reminiscent of the horn's goat which all Illuminati members use. (Obviously they are going to say it means something else.)

How can we support a man who doesn't understand such a basic point? Why is a 72- year-old physician pandering to youth? His supporters aren't hippies or rock concert go'ers. Paul should address this issue. Is he Illuminati?

The Illuminati Sign

You Tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5HWR8NdIoM&watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpnajrx7FGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXkVJtz0bNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjpjUZBcsss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xhPGA7EXQ

BlueAngel
12-03-2007, 08:44 PM
Is Ron Paul Illuminati, Dr. Makow asks?

I'll answer that with a couple of questions.

Do WE believe that most of Congress are slaves/Illuminati?

Isn't this why CONGRESS doesn't work for the people but for their masters?

Isn't this where our Presidential candidates have spent many years being corrupted and many times at an even younger age?

Haven't most of the members of Congress been handpicked from a very young age, mind controlled, if you will and set-up to fulfill the Bankster's agenda?

redrat11
12-03-2007, 08:49 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Here is an excerpt from Makow's most recent article:

Fulford was correct when he said that opponents of the NWO had to take out the top Illuminati. This is the only thing they fear: an armed and aroused population. Democracy is a charade. The mass media is an instrument of social control. They want to keep us campaigning for Ron Paul and writing letters to the editor.

Don't misunderstand me. Paul would be a great President but the process is fixed. He hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

-----------------------------------------------

Similar to what I have stated as far as Paul not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning because the process is fixed.

They only allow their OPERATIVES to occupy the White House.

http://www.henrymakow.com/fulford_emerges_as_an_endearin.html

----------------------------------------------

I agree with Dr. Makow that Ron Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidential election as of this date.

However, I cannot say with certainty that this is the situation because he is not one that was born and bred for the job.

It could all be under the guise of "unknowingly."

If he was not born and bread for the job, and by some chance, is elected, control mechanisms, if not already in place, will be instituted.

Therefore, it is my opinion, that he would not make a great President either way due to THE CONTROLLERS.

Great minds don't always think alike.

We have already discussed the devil's salute by Ron Paul earlier in this thread when captured on video and Barbara insisted it represented "I Love You."

Obviously it does not.

Please Ron, Get a Clue
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
November 30, 2007

Why Can't He Just Wave? (Is there anything more all-American, and inclusive?)

A reader has pointed out that Ron Paul has a habit of flashing something like the horned goat handsign . She sent 5 "You Tubes" in which he does this and as a result, she has now withdrawn her support. She notified his campaign manager who laughed it off as the "rock on" sign.

She says Paul has been on Alex Jones show and should know the significance of this sign, which Illuminati like Clinton and Bush flash regularly. She also points out that Paul worked for Ronald Reagan who was certainly Illuminati. Reagan was for small government and against abortion as well.

True, the thumb is in a different place than the horned goat. It is extended rather than folded over the fingers. Some say this is the "Hawaian universal hang loose" sign. Others say it is "I love you" in universal sign language or the sign of "The UTexas Longhorns." Whatever. It is much too reminiscent of the horn's goat which all Illuminati members use. (Obviously they are going to say it means something else.)

How can we support a man who doesn't understand such a basic point? Why is a 72- year-old physician pandering to youth? His supporters aren't hippies or rock concert go'ers. Paul should address this issue. Is he Illuminati?

The Illuminati Sign

You Tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5HWR8NdIoM&watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpnajrx7FGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXkVJtz0bNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjpjUZBcsss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xhPGA7EXQ



Obviuosly there is no proof BA that he is doing the devil salute. he does have a grandson who is deaf from what I hear, and when he is with him on campaign trips, he does the love salute to him, and also he does the salute of love to other deaf people.







NOPE!

R. Paul is not giving the Devil salute, this is non sense


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Nope

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Nope

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If you look into it, its just a simple gesture


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203237



And by the way, David Icke is a complete fraud, anyone who believes that shape shifting reptiles are running the planet, needs to get there head examined. Some of his material is interesting, but, not much. :-o


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

BlueAngel
12-03-2007, 09:32 PM
Excerpt from Makow's article regarding Ron Paul:

"She says Paul has been on Alex Jones show and should know the significance of this sign, which Illuminati like Clinton and Bush flash regularly. She also points out that Paul worked for Ronald Reagan who was certainly Illuminati. Reagan was for small government and against abortion as well."

---------------------------------------------

Alex Jones was duped during the Kerry taser incident.

Alex Jones stated that there aren't any state laws mandating childhood vaccinations.

Has Alex Jones been duped by Ron Paul or is Alex Jones doing the duping?

BlueAngel
12-03-2007, 09:33 PM
That is your opinion, RedRat.

I am of the other.

redrat11
12-04-2007, 04:29 AM
LOVE



Notice on the Ron Paul Blimp, the word LOVE, this is also what R. Paul hand gestures are, the sign of LOVE.

<center>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/blimp_night.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/finger.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
</center>



http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/index.php

BlueAngel
12-04-2007, 09:17 AM
Oh, give me a break.

You're not seeing what you don't want to see.

WE don't need a elderly politician flashing the sign of the devil, depicting his allegiance to the Illuminati and YOU pretending he is signing the words I LOVE YOU.

That is just strange!

We don't need an elderly politician telling US he loves us.

That is just strange.

He doesn't love me or you.

This REVOLUTION thing is strange, as well.

Is that what the rest of the ILLUMINISTS have been flashing all of these years?

The I LOVE YOU in sign language.

Why?

Do they think the majority of the population is DEAF?

As you read in Makow's article when the woman who provided the youtubes called Paul's office about him flashing the devil's horns, they didn't explain it as an I LOVE YOU in sign language.

I don't remember exactly what they said, but review Makow's article.

Like Makow said, is there something wrong with waving?

THE ENTIRE POPULATION UNDERSTANDS THAT GESTURE and it doesn't cause confusion.

BlueAngel
12-04-2007, 09:18 AM
RON PAUL has a blimp???

BlueAngel
12-04-2007, 09:20 AM
The Illuminati sign is not the sign of a horned goat.

IT IS THE SIGN OF THE HORNED DEVIL.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

redrat11
12-04-2007, 06:35 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Oh, give me a break.

You're not seeing what you don't want to see.

WE don't need a elderly politician flashing the sign of the devil, depicting his allegiance to the Illuminati and YOU pretending he is signing the words I LOVE YOU.

That is just strange!

We don't need an elderly politician telling US he loves us.

That is just strange.

He doesn't love me or you.

This REVOLUTION thing is strange, as well.

Is that what the rest of the ILLUMINISTS have been flashing all of these years?

The I LOVE YOU in sign language.

Why?

Do they think the majority of the population is DEAF?

As you read in Makow's article when the woman who provided the youtubes called Paul's office about him flashing the devil's horns, they didn't explain it as an I LOVE YOU in sign language.

I don't remember exactly what they said, but review Makow's article.

Like Makow said, is there something wrong with waving?

THE ENTIRE POPULATION UNDERSTANDS THAT GESTURE and it doesn't cause confusion.



Use your brains BA, quit taking Makows word as the Gospel Truth, he may be a ZIONIST Stooge, or did that not occur to you? I'm going to lay out the facts of how wrong you are about R.Paul.



1. Not one 'evil' organization of the Zionist, (and I'm not going to use the stupid "illuminati" word here.)does Ron Paul belong to, NOT ONE!

2, Not one centilla of evidence to prove he is ZIONIST stooge.

3. the ONLY Candidate to tell the truth about the CONSPIRACY to destroy America.

4. The only candidate that has NEVER been associated with other "family within" the power structure at large.


You see Blue Angel it is you who is not seeing what is really there. I have given you fact upon fact, you have given me NOTHING but suspicions, and half truths based upon NOTHING. Ron Paul is a American who truly LOVES this Country, he has worked endlessly to expose and try to stop the Coming calamities for decades in the U.S. Congress.



this website has EVERY person who is a traitor and wishes this country to be destroyed, The JEW created organizations controlling this Country, YOU WILL NOT FIND, NOR WILL EVER FIND RON PAULS NAME ON THERE. LOOK FOR YOURSELF!



YOU will find, ALL THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES names on there though.

http://www.geocities.com/zembmor98/

http://www.geocities.com/wplitynski/index.html



Ron Paul on the New World Order

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redrat11
12-05-2007, 05:23 AM
More evidence that Blue Angel and Makow are WRONG!

But, just can't ADMIT they are.Not surprising...
http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 03:38 PM
redrat11 wrote:
More evidence that Blue Angel and Makow are WRONG!

But, just can't ADMIT they are.Not surprising...
http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_dear_deluded_mass_media_nau_exists.htm

I fail to see what you're trying to point out as far as the NAU is concerned.

I think you strayed from topic again.

Seems you use this distraction method quite often, but it doesn't work.

I'd give it up, if I were you.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 03:44 PM
RedRat said:

Use your brains BA, quit taking Makows word as the Gospel Truth, he may be a ZIONIST Stooge, or did that not occur to you? I'm going to lay out the facts of how wrong you are about R.Paul.

Excuse me, but I spoke before Makow.

1. Not one 'evil' organization of the Zionist, (and I'm not going to use the stupid "illuminati" word here.)does Ron Paul belong to, NOT ONE!

2, Not one centilla of evidence to prove he is ZIONIST stooge.

3. the ONLY Candidate to tell the truth about the CONSPIRACY to destroy America.

4. The only candidate that has NEVER been associated with other "family within" the power structure at large.

You see Blue Angel it is you who is not seeing what is really there. I have given you fact upon fact, you have given me NOTHING but suspicions, and half truths based upon NOTHING. Ron Paul is a American who truly LOVES this Country, he has worked endlessly to expose and try to stop the Coming calamities for decades in the U.S. Congress.

A candidate, whether a part of the Illuminati or not, always speak to the people. Use your brains. As far as stopping them, won't happen whether he is a slave or not.

this website has EVERY person who is a traitor and wishes this country to be destroyed, The JEW created organizations controlling this Country, YOU WILL NOT FIND, NOR WILL EVER FIND RON PAULS NAME ON THERE. LOOK FOR YOURSELF!

This website does not encompass a list of names of every person who wishes this country destroyed.

YOU will find, ALL THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES names on there though.

http://www.geocities.com/zembmor98/

http://www.geocities.com/wplitynski/index.html

Maybe Ron Paul hasn't made the list yet becaues of his cover.

Jeez. Vote for him. But, you know what, everyone else is entitled to their opinion. Anger, for what? Because some don't support your man. Get a grip!

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:50 PM
I would tend to agree with RedHat on this one..

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 03:56 PM
But I've decided to Vote for Hillary Rhodam Clinton.

You often notice that prominant women tend to use their first, middle, and last names. You may wonder why they do this. It is because of an inferiority complex. Women feel that if they use all three names it will give them more power and authority. Actually, though, it shows them to have an inferiority complex.

Hilary Rhodam Clinton is definately the perfect Illuminati woman: Weak, ignorant, decieved, arrogant, vain, and loud. I love her, and I'm voting for her.

http://www.hillary.org/hillary/hill.interview.6.7.03.jpg

Peter
12-05-2007, 05:29 PM
Ron Paul is illuminati. He flashes satanic hand signs all the time, makes funny handshakes and talks about terrorism. In addition to this CIA agent Alex Jones supports him.

Peter
12-05-2007, 05:31 PM
Voting is for a wast of time Cathy. It was decided already a long time ago that illuminati witch Hillary would be the new president. She will turn the White House into a real coven.

CathyObrien
12-05-2007, 05:37 PM
Peter wrote:
Voting is for a wast of time Cathy. It was decided already a long time ago that illuminati witch Hillary would be the new president. She will turn the White House into a real coven.

You are a satanic pig from the satanic cult like BlueAngel! Stop making death threats to me and my husband, or I'm going to speak to the authorities!

The death threats and mockeries must stop! We will not be threatened by the aurgument from intimitation, like Ann Rand talks about in her philisophical writings, because I'm part of the Ann Rand cult because Ann Rand was Illuminati and we Illuminists follow her like cows in meat packing plant!

Peter
12-05-2007, 05:45 PM
Are you FBI or CIA Cathy? I met people like you many times on forums like this? Are you here to frame people who speak out? Probably the owner of this website can not remove you, because than it will be shut down. How much do they pay you for writing you crap here? Do you get promotion if you can frame somebody? Do you enjoy framing people? I guess if you do you are a real psychopath.

BlueAngel
12-05-2007, 05:49 PM
Peter wrote:
Ron Paul is illuminati. He flashes satanic hand signs all the time, makes funny handshakes and talks about terrorism. In addition to this CIA agent Alex Jones supports him.

As I said earlier, is Alex Jones being duped by Ron Paul or is Alex Jones duping us all?

In any event, CathyO'Brien is a real person and Mark Phllips is her husband.

George_Bush is impersonating both of them and doing a very poor job, I might add.