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nohope187
04-14-2005, 06:25 PM
In my Speech class at school, I have to give this persuasive speech that's at least 5 minutes long, but no longer than 7. So I've decided on making my speech about convincing the class that government sponsored terror (GST) exists. I thought I might cover a little history concerning communism lifting some ideas off of Draken's gulag thread with New Lies of Old and Gulag Archipellago and then talking about Hegel refining Marx's theory of dialectical materialism to the thesis + antithesis ----> synthesis model and then talk in terms of problem + reaction ----> solution. Then I'd give examples of GST. Then I would ask the question are we really free? and point out certain existing draconian laws that say we're not. Then I'd have some kind of emotional conclusion that makes everybody in the class shit their pants.
So, what do ya'll think? Any ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is probably my best opportunity to waking sheeple up. Remember, it can't be more than 7 minutes though. :-P

nomad
04-14-2005, 06:31 PM
personally I think its too much information

overload for such a short period of time ...

perhaps covering less ground but with examples

that all can agree are true with our world ...

I would have LOVED to hear someone talk about

your subject many moons ago ... even if they

don't respond now some of them may remember you

forever.

nohope187
04-14-2005, 06:34 PM
Okay, that doesn't help me, I need specifics please. :-P

get_real
04-14-2005, 06:39 PM
NO HOPE:
How about focusing on the last decade.
Something they can focus on and relate to,---- being that it happened in their lifetime.

nomad
04-14-2005, 07:09 PM
nohope187 wrote:
Okay, that doesn't help me, I need specifics please. :-P

How about starting with ... " There is an old

book that claims to explain the future " ...

you then go into the general ideas of the

Elders of Zion and then finish with real world

examples that all can agree to ... I believe you

can do this well in your time frame and you can

provide a url on the internet on where they

can see a free copy of this great book ie

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

this way you can get them to investigate it

for themselves and stretch your limited time.

:-D

nohope187
04-14-2005, 07:11 PM
911 as last example of problem/rxn/soltion resulting in creation of dept. of homeland sec. and the patriot act 3/4 of way through speech, yeah I got that. :-P

nohope187
04-14-2005, 07:13 PM
Thanx nom, I'll look into that. :-P

nomad
04-14-2005, 07:19 PM
Whatever you do make sure you plant

a few seeds in their brains to get them

to continue their search on their own to see if

its true of not for themselves.

nohope187
04-14-2005, 07:49 PM
Keep in mind that my audience is made up of people who firmly believe in the right/left paradigm. I just hope I can make it powerful cuz this is gonna be a tough crowd to sell.

truebeliever
04-14-2005, 08:38 PM
NOHOPE...you must proceed to the mighty one..Alex Jones and ask for guidence in your quest.

Definately focus on the left right paradigm rat maze everyone is stuck in. How they control the debate.

Then go into the surveillence grid being set up under theguise of consumer convienence and security and pose the question to the class...

"What happens if another Stalin, another Hitler comes to power through dubious means, like stealing an election, and they have at their disposal Police State powers and an enormous public surveillence system...what then? What protections will the public have? What gaurantee's for free speech and dissent towards a totalitarian State? God help the public who exist in such a society where in the blink of an eye, systems designed for consumer convienence and security are turned against the citizenry and these same conviences hang the public good by the neck until dead."

"With the move towards electronic voting, proven as completely compromised, combined with a vast electronic surveillence grid, the possibility of Totalitarian Dictatorship makes ones knees shake. The public, only slightly aware, feels a slight gagging reflex. They are yet to catch on, a giant noose has been deftly placed around their neck and all that awaits is Centralised Power prepared to pull it tight".

Try to make it relevent to the day to day experiences of the class. You might want to include a short history of oil scams to drive up prices.

Good Luck!

bltonwhite
04-15-2005, 10:46 AM
following some threads and members i find
yours to be too obvious. either most here know you're trying to pull the
wool over some eyes, or they are fixed on your charm.

let me explain:
you are supposedly not involved with freemasonry?
yeah right.

but you were in demolay, i see from an early post

you have freemason in your family to begin with, am i correct?

you have been in military for 5 years

you say you are in college/school

your cute story about giving a speech in speech class portrays you like someone unfamiliar with the timeline/history of conspiracy. so now you appeal to everyone for assistance. cute little game you have going. i'm sure you get your jollies.

but yet you are a conspiracy buff who informs neighbors, friends of the nwo. sure you do.

you give tapes of conspiracy videos to friends/neighbors. sure you do.

you (on many occasions) have given short answers, very concise, on government, conspiracy, and NWO. demolay/freemason education is a different education--isn't it?
an education for those that are worthy. like you.

you say your father is irish, your mother jew

VERY good team for the makes of freemason material. you must feel truly blessed.

you are trying to display yourself as the average joe at times, but yet you are knowledgeable in arena of freemasons, nwo, agendas of illuminati, etc.

you are fakery. but so far you do what you do so well. i do not trust you. you are in no fear of the nwo. you are home free.

BTW: you slipped up, i'm not sure if others caught some things. i've caught plenty. but carry on.

nohope187
04-15-2005, 04:25 PM
bltnfuckinwhite shows his ugly mug around here again attacking me like usual. You don't know me, but you THINK you do. Hey, do me a favor and pull your head out of your ass before you talk to me again. You're just like one of those ignorant and proud sheeple back in Nazi Germany who would rat someone or their own family member out to the SS just because they looked suspicious according to your skewered perception of reality. Huff and puff at me all you want, bltnwhite. You've proven yourself to be always talking out your ass, which gives you ZERO CREDIBILITY! Go crawl back under the rock from whence you came, serpent man! :-P

nohope187
04-15-2005, 04:26 PM
Hey True, thanx for the advice, I might use some of that. :-P

truebeliever
04-15-2005, 08:36 PM
Please send check or money order to P.O Box 666, Langley Virginia. Make sure you have your thumbprints clearly on it...but wait a sec...you're one of us!

Keep the cash matey. The boss says your work here is enough.

I gave up trying to guess the stooge on these forums. Though it makes for interesting posts.

I just take people at face value. After all, what can they do? Track and trace me? Already done...at least to my I.P.

People should just be discreet, which I have even decided to do...too many Jews and Israeli intelligence moving in down under...i might have to smite them. Of course that makes me mentally ill which i beleive entitles me to one of those Oz/socialist pensions!

nohope187
04-16-2005, 12:33 PM
[quote]
bltonwhite wrote:
following some threads and members i find
yours to be too obvious. either most here know you're trying to pull the
wool over some eyes, No need to pull wool over your eyes cuz you're already blind.

let me explain:
you are supposedly not involved with freemasonry?
yeah right. That's exactly right, stupidass! I have no ties to freemasonry.

but you were in demolay, I was, but I dropped out of it within the first year, you fucking idiot!
I have no masons in my family.

you have been in military for 5 years Yup.

you say you are in college/school yup

cute little game you have going. i'm sure you get your jollies. You sure do get off on your obsession with attacking me, you spineless prick!
Who the fuck are you anyway?

nohope187
04-23-2005, 08:57 PM
bltonwhite wrote:
I am a dumbass and I don't know what I'm talking about. Please disregard every post I make in the future. :-P
Well, It's about time you owned up to it, B-whitey. Apology accepted. hahaha! :-P

nohope187
04-26-2005, 03:39 PM
13 other people besides me were in class today. Out of the 13, only 3 agreed with me, but of the 3, I converted one person to our way of thinking. My teacher appreciated the controversial nature of the topic in question and made a note on his copy of the outline, that most people in the class would be unable to identify with my views because of social conditioning. After reading that, I said, yeah, social engineering too!
In the speech, I basically pretended to be Alex Jones for about 9 minutes. In fact I grafted most of my speech from his book 9-11: Descent Into Tyranny. I explained the Hegelian dialectic in both the general formula thesis/antithesis/synthesis and problem/reaction/solution. the examples of government sponsered terror I used from his book was, Nero and Rome, the sinking of the Maine and the Lusitania, Hitler's Reichstag, FD muthafuckin R and Pearl Harbor, Cuban Missile Crises and Operation Northwoods document, and I improvised 911. The 10 of the 13 that were unreceptive all looked at me like I was smokin crack but that goes with the territory when telling the truth. I'll post the speech in its entirety later this week. :-P

nohope187
04-28-2005, 05:29 PM
Here it is as I promised in its entirety. I took a shot of bacardi 151 (liquid courage) that morning to calm my nerves so I wouldn't look like I had cerebral palsy in front of the class.
Tuesday, April 26, 910am:
Are we really free? Do we really live in a free country? Most of you would say, "Of course we do, this is Amerika! What the hell are talking about!?" Well then, are we really free when the government coerces us to pay half of our income anually? Keep in mind taxes are going up every year and the govt. projected to raise it so their taking 75 to 80 percent? Does that sound like freedom? Are we really free when we're required to have social security from cradle to grave? You pretty much can't do anything in this country without it. You can't get a job, buy a car or house, and you can't even open a bank account with out a SS #. Are we really free when government views our rights as priveledges? For example, the Second amendment: all states require firearms to be licensed and registered with purchase for the purpose of tracking and tracing. Does that sound like freedom? What about the Fourth amendment: License and registration is required for travel anywhere domestically and airports view all citizens as suspected terrorists or criminals. Is this all normal behavior of government in a free society? You gotta be shittin' me! So, how did this happen? How did we get to this point? Did happen by accident or was it by design? I tend to believe things usually happen for a reason or were planned that way. Not everything happens by chance. So what is it called when a government manufactures a crises to make a power grab from the people it governs? Coup d'etat-->Government Sponsored Terrorism.
Anyhoo, the was this dude name Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel who came up with the theory of modern diametrics. The Hegelian dialectic, he named it after himself. His theory can be modeled in this formula: thesis+anti-thesis-->synthesis. Basically you have two opposing sides and through bipartisan comprimise, you supposedly get the best of both worlds. With the examples I'll be showing you, this isn't the case. The perfect example of this is out two party system of government. Both sides want bigger government, more taxes, and more draconian rules and regulations. With that in mind, do we really have elected representation when the choice has already been made for us? Fuck no!
Now considering the examples I'll be showing you of govt. sponsored terror, the dialectic formula is converted as shows: Problem+Reaction-->Solution where the govt. creates a problem, the people react in panic and fear, and the govt. saves the day with the power grab solution they wanted all along. Now the dialectic formula has been in use long before Hegal was around. For example,
Nero and Rome-
In A.D. 64, Aug. 10, Nero, the emperor of Rome set the city ablaze while he fiddled. He had a problem with Christianity becoming too popular. So Nero torched Rome and blamed it on the Christians. After this manufactured crises, the people were all to happy to put Christians in the arena and cheer as they were torn apart by lions and gladiators. This persecution of the Christians is only one of many historic examples of governments persecuting groups of people after creating a crisis.

The Maine and the Lusitania-
On Feb. 15, 1898, William McKinley’s navy committed treason when it blew up its own ship in Havana Harbor to create a pretext for war with the Spanish government. Simply by blowing up this ship, the Maine, the United States was able to finally dominate the western hemisphere and take control of dozens of islands in the pacific. Then in World War I, when the American population was reluctant to enter the European conflict, the British sailed one of their largest naval auxiliary ships, the Lusitania, through waters known to be heavily patrolled by German U-boats. The Germans ran multiple full-page warnings in the New York Times, telling Americans NOT to travel on this ship which they knew to be heavily laden with armaments destined for the trenches. When German torpedoes sunk the Lusitania, Americans were faced with casualty lists of their dead countrymen and finally caved in to war fever.

Hitler’s Reichstag-
And then, of course, we have the notorious Nazi regime’s use of the Hegelian dialectic. Adolph Hitler had already been elected chancellor, but he wanted to abolish the chancellery and to make himself Fuhrer. To do that, he had to create enough of a crisis to generate massive levels of fear in the people so that they would willingly lay down their republic and give it into the hands of his monstrous system.
Historical documents from Nazi archives show that on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, Adolph Hitler’s Stormtroopers burned the Reichstag government building to the ground. A wave of arrests then took place across the Reich as the Fuhrer told the people that he would protect them and that they would have a Utopian world. Everything would be given to them by the State, as long as they offered total fealty and support to their Fuhrer. The people bought Hitler’s promise of a Utopia and were totally enslaved. Hitler blamed the burning of Reichstag on the Jews and Christians.

FDR and Pearl Harbor-
Pearl Harbor was bombed Dec. 7, 1941. The History Channel and many historical records have reported that 12 days prior to the attack, Roosevelt knew the actual date of the strike. The government had in its possession, Admiral Yamamoto’s communiqué reading, “On the morning of Dec. 7, we will attack the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor and deal a death blow.”
On Nov. 25, 1941, the Secretary of the War Dept., Henry Stimsom, wrote in his diary, ”President Roosevelt brought up the event that we are likely to be attacked perhaps as soon as next Monday, for the Japanese are notorious for making an attack without warning, and the question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot.”

The Honolulu Advertiser front-page headline on Nov. 30, 1941 read: “Japan May Strike Over Weekend.” But still, the military was told to go to the lowest level of readiness, the ships in the harbor were lined up in tight rows and the aircraft on the airfields were put into circles, nose tip to nose tip like sitting ducks
Roosevelt had campaigned to keep America out of the war, but his backers had been funding the Japanese war machine for years. They had also been financing and encouraging Hitler’s blitzkrieg.

The Cuban Missile Crisis and the Operation Northwoods Document-
In the early 1960’s, the government needed an excuse, a pretext, to invade Cuba. The government actually put the plan to paper in the notorious Operation Northwoods document.
In the Operation Northwoods document, the federal government proposed blowing up airliners full of Americans, saying: “Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation.” The architect of this plan was General L. L. Lemnitzer, chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. He got his Faustian plan approved all the way up to the Secretary of Defense. President Kennedy was not amused.
In this plan, they elaborated how Washington, DC, could be bombed and then Cuba could be blamed; or they could dress US Army soldiers as Cubans and then have them attack Marines at Guantanamo Bay. In another part of the plan, just as the USS Maine was sunk as a pretext for entry into the Spanish-American War, it was suggested that the Navy could blow up one of its own ships. The whole document is an insane testament to the effectiveness of the cold-blooded use of problem/reaction/solution. The document details how the Hegelian dialectic could be made to work in order to motivate the American people to get behind the government’s push for war- in this case, a nuclear war with Cuba and the Soviet Union.
Now JFK had always been a servant of the global elite like every other President, but he was so shocked by the Operation Northwoods document, that he signed executive orders to abolish the CIA and the Federal Reserve System. He also began to pull American soldiers out of Vietnam. And for taking these decisive actions on behalf of our Constitutional Republic, they had him killed.

History has clearly shown that there’s no better way to seize, expand, and maintain power than through controlled crises harness the militant tribal enthusiasm of the howling mob.
There's two more examples of GST: 1993 WTC bombing and 1995 OKC bombing. Since I'm already pushing my time limit, I'll go straigt to 911.
When considering 911, remember how Hitler became Fuhrer, and how FDR had prior knowledge but did nothing on purpose, and how the Operation Northwoods doco is a blue-print for GST as a pretext for war. Now we can start putting the peices together. The govt. thinks your stupid enough to believe two planes made the towers fall. The the two towers plus WTC building #7 which wasn't hit by a plane, all 3 collapsed at the speed of gravity which can only happen in a professional demolition. I've seen enough pro demolitions in my lifetime to know one when I see one and 911 is no exception. Next, 911 was obviosly a pretext for war with Afghanistan and IraQ and where ever the fuck the neocons have their eye on next. 911 was conveniently blamed on Arabs. Nevermind that Osama bin Laden is boogeyman created by the CIA and that the Al Quaida Terror Network is a CIA front group.
Also, keep in mind that shortly after 911, govt grew at an alarmingly exponential rate with the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and with the passing legislation of the Patriot Act, the Constition and Bill of Rights has been completely eviscerated.
So in conclusion,
Someday, maybe within the next 5 to 10 years, you will all wake up to an Amerika you do not recognize. The illusion of freedom will be officially dissolved under Martial Law.
You'll think to yourself: How did this happen? How did we get to this point? You'll remember this day and me standing here in front of all of you giving this speech and you will hear yourself say, "Joe was right. I thought he was fuckin' crazy back then, but Joe was right." :-P

Draken
04-28-2005, 05:51 PM
Well, I think actually I'm proud of you, nohope!

Brilliant and to the point with a great personal emotional finale!

I hope I'll have to forum and the opportunity to deliver a similar speech in the near future.

Great.

Hats off.

nomad
04-28-2005, 07:28 PM
nohope187 you are DA man ! ! !

I am so impressed and proud of you.

:-D :-D :-D

truebeliever
04-28-2005, 07:57 PM
Ra ra ra ra old bean.

Simple actions of one man.

Just the start.

I've sent around a small party of friends from Israel. They like to wear black...please be sure to let them straight in. :-P

Jimbo
04-28-2005, 09:24 PM
Are You As Free As You Think You Are ? – :-o :-o :-o

Um... ditto what nohope187 said.

Re: the aftermath of my speech – Post #18
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1173&start=10
8-)

nohope187
04-29-2005, 10:16 AM
In the speech, you can see where I stop and Alex begins. Everything from Nero to Northwoods is Alex's work and the explaination of the Problem/REaction/Solution is his too. I watched 911: Road to Tyranny like 10 times the week prior to giving the speech, so it wasn't too dificult to visualize what I was saying. :-P