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redrat11
10-03-2007, 06:37 AM
they've been doing that for 10 years at least.

Do you Write Like A Terrorist? - Gold & Silver Forum (http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158)


US MARTIAL LAW CLASSIFIED PLANS. - Gold & Silver Forum (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=266828)

Is Dark Web Following You? - Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=115621)

Jimbo
10-03-2007, 09:21 AM
Everyone has a file. Look at the movie “the good shepherd”…

BlueAngel
10-03-2007, 10:43 PM
Everyone?

That's alot of bandwidth.

Must have one hugh motherboard.

Jimbo
10-04-2007, 12:01 AM
The motherboard (main circuit board) contains the main “processing circuits” (i.e., CPU (Central Processing Unit), Processor (Pentium Processor), etc.) & it also contains some “hard memory” (i.e., RAM (Random Access Memory)) next to the processor (such as we have “short term memory”), & so that the processor can perform both calculations &/or move data around in what is also called a “scratch pad memory” – one of the main actual functions of the RAM. However, most of the information that is not immediately needed by the processor to function, such as computer programs, program data, pictures, & computer (data) files, etc., are stored in what is called “secondary storage” (i.e., hard-drives, thumb-drives, floppy drives, & even tape-drives). Secondary storage is usually slower & cheaper than RAM. So, you can have just 1 computer, even your home computer, that can access via the Internet a huge “data bank” (i.e. data-farms) that stores information about not just people, but anything you can imagine.

Now the bandwidth is a measure of how much information (in bits per second) your Internet connection can handle per unit of time. If you link into this page,

Internet Frog
http://www.internetfrog.com/mypc/speedtest

It will measure the bandwidth of your Internet connection. For example, my cable modem measures about 4.4 Mbps (Mega Bits per Second or 4,400,000 bits per second) download (from the ISP’s server) to the computer, & 805 kbps (kilo bits per second or 805,000 bits per second, or 0.805 Mbps) upload (from the computer to the ISP – Internet Service Provider).

redrat11
10-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Computer Profiling...


I must be a TERRORIST according to there computational statistics, Let's see here I despise..

1. One World Government

2. The Federal Reserve

3. The IRS

4.all the other alphabet soup agencies.

5. the Rockefellers and Rothschilds dynasties

6. President Bush

7. Dick Cheney

8. the state of Israel

9. The Synagogue of Satan

10. Open Borders, and the NAU

11. wiretapping and eavesdropping

12. Satanism and witchcraft

13. Hillary Clinton and the rest...


Wonder what my profile would look like?

Civil liberties: surveillance and privacy | Learning to live with Big Brother | Economist.com (http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9867324)

The Politics of Computer Profiling (http://www.easst.net/review/march2000/elmer)

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 09:10 AM
This information just isn't good enough. I need to know exactly what key words the spiders look for so I can fill all my writings with them.

I'm sorry, but I simply need more information. How am I supposed to be a marginalized element of society without knowing how to key in my documents so that the spiders will track me?

BlueAngel
10-05-2007, 09:22 AM
I'm sure you've already accomplished the task of being tracked.

Just simply, "carry on!"

George_Bush
10-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Well, that's just not good enough.

Shadow
10-08-2007, 08:03 AM
All you morons have been infested with data vipers by now.

redrat11
10-20-2007, 09:16 PM
This has been a very strange day on the net, First I see that all the forums I've been permanentely banned from, now allow me to post, this is very strange to me because I don't hold back in what I need to say most of the time. And then I get this Extremely Strange E-mail from a person from Nigeria,(I know, of all places) so I played along to see what the scam was going to be.


Well, I will copy the conversation here as the situation demands, I find it very amusing to say the least. They can never fool me. Only after the conversation ends of course.

As far as the "conspiracy forums" are concerned, well I have my suspicions.

Jimbo
10-20-2007, 09:28 PM
You can pretty much ignore any lotteries or business deals that land right at your e-mail address, specially if it is from another country, typically from the UK & Africa. If they ask you for any personal information right in the e-mail that’s another giveaway. In addition, remember that the second you start transacting e-mails that communicate w/ anyone across the boundaries of the continental US, you are for all practical purposes a potential candidate for… you know what – specially if the other side is either an evil-doer, a friend of an evil-doer, or some spook pretending to be an evil-doer. Don’t waste your time…

redrat11
10-20-2007, 09:41 PM
Thx for the advise Jimbo, actually this E-mail originated from a online dating site here in the states, the person then said they were finishing studies in Nigeria, I then knew right away that it was a scam. But, it was very amusing to say the least, this person sent me 'supposed photos' of herself and a ton of E-mails filled with, well, I'll leave it there, This just shows that even supposed dating sites are nothing more than CONS. It really was freeky out there (internet) today.
Hence, I put this post on this thread, my security software tracks every site that accseses my computer, so I'm not worried as much. at least not yet. :-?

Barbara
10-21-2007, 08:58 AM
Here's the real reason why we are all being tracked and profiled:

http://www.hermes-press.com/class_warfare.htm

redrat11
10-21-2007, 12:32 PM
Beware of the Camila Scam....


If you see this 'pretty picture' beware, dating sites are nothing more than Informtion gathering houses of "some government" agencies. Not all of them of course.



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The Camila Scam


Read this crap from Camila.

Hello,
i will tell you a little about myself..my real name is Camila i am 27 years,from florida,i am living with my room mate ,i am studying....i am the only daughter of the family,my parent got married to each in the state....i am happy i have a wonderful parent like my parent but unfortunately i lost my parent years ago in a car wreck and it sucks..its so painful coz i was unable to let them feel my impact before thay died...Right now i am studying(Business Management) in west africa(Nigeria) preciselly..this is my first time to travel to Nigeria and i dont really know much about this environment but i am so adaptive so i get used to alot of things so easily and i get to understand how things are been done in the environrnment too as well...i have just started my career on it and its really my dream and i seek a man who will surport my dream...i just got to africa like 6 months ago and on planing to get back to the state soon..to complete my dream and career..it has really been a dream come true for me to become a banker and i have commited all my time and all i have into this career and i hope it leads to a very great future for me ,i am a very sincere and honest person,i am Caring, kind, social, smart, intelligent, passionate, friendlly, romantic, and i believe in the truth and honest of love..i am really a very sincere person when it comes to sharing feelings and emotions with that speical person and i really am down to heart honest about the things i say and do cause i dont like hurting peoples feelings,cause everyone has a chance to laugh,so why do i make them sad..i am really very easy to get along with,fun to be with and am very adaptive and communicative when it comes to conversant.and my life is based on the truth and honest of self personality...i would realy like to get to know alot about you and learn somethings with you cause you seems to be kind of ready in getting to know my kind of person and hopefull we can meet in person soon..with time we will get to know each others feelings, motives and intensions towards each other and it will help us grow knowing each other and trusting each other..i am looking for Honest,God fearing,loyal,trusthworthy and intelligent person..i am looking for something long term relationship.coz i have been hurt by men before and i dont want to be hurt again neither do i want to be single again..i am looking for a life companion to share love with...Well i will await your reply and i will try and email you back asap. So i will like you to get back to me on yahoo messenger okay my id is camila_seekin4luv so try and add me there okay thanks have a nice day take care of your self thanks BYE
Regards




It gets better...


Meet Camila....

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Here they try to intice you to think that they LOVE YOU.


Hello,
Wow oooo am so happy to hear from u today babe. tell me it hard now for me to believe that u still single? well if you really are still single them why an't you getting a woman in your life? any way tell me again now what you really looking for in life? date, relationship, friend, business partner, or you came to play games here couse i really need to know your mind before going futher with you. I am still on my knees begging for love, not to a stranger but to one I wanna know,reason why am truly interested in you is becos you are my first man on singlesnet and i join singlesnet today and befor i join i have promise my self that the first man i will first meet on there will be the joy of my life and am so happy is you cos you are very honest and caring an also kind,and i promise you i will not let you down okay,and also am a virgin and i know it will be so hard for you to believe me and if you can believe me i promise you thing is going to work out fine okay,since you did reply me back. I've been in love with and know it's not a fun. Each night and day I hope and pray that i found the riteful man that will be mine forever . I know it's hard to fine man and trust a man - giving your heart, body and soul, but know it's me that's on my knees swallowing my pride, begging you, please ... once again I say please, If you really serious about me couse am badly in pain in the pass and i want it to go alway ........i really need to be loved and not to be dissapointed , I hope you understand were am coming from and were am going. hope to hear from u again.
Camila


Lovey Dovey...

it continues, keep in mind I'm playing along, I will not copy my E-mails, Too bad..


Hello Love,
Thanks for the mail,Immediately i got your email my feelings turn over on you and it seems you are the right man which i have been seacrhing for to bring back the smile which i use to smile when my dad was still alive,For a good relationship to grow we need to trust each other and be honest with each other to acheive what we want to acheive well i am seeking for man which will be the flesh to my flesh and also the bone to my bone,It's true I have never seen you and we have never met,Never shaken Hands or even truly hugged and yet!I know for sure you care for me by the kindness that you give.And our keyboards keep us together doesn't matter where we live.So I am emailing you to put a smile on your face and to let you know in my heart you have a special place.The sun is always shining just above the cloudy haze,as we share friendship across an online maze.We express love and kindness without a face.It comes from deep inside our hearts from a special place. Within our lives we share special dreams, unusual and unique,and it is with our keyboards that we speak.You are a friend of mine from the emails we exchange,I wouldn't know you on the street and it doesn't even seem strange.You have brightened my life with the thoughtfulness you show.Your words encourage me more than you could know.As people change and times keep changing too,one thing stays the same ~the way I feel for you.For this friendship we possesswe owe a world of gratitude and debt,because we would not know each other if it wasn't for the net, I will want you to tell me your feelings about me and what you think we can do to acheive our goal.Hope to hear from you soon
Camila


Almost convincing, I'll publish the PUNCHLINE soon, AMAZING what people do, don't you think.
:-o
Dear Love,
You are a blessing that my entire being is very thankful for. I feel that we were made to love, listen, understand, and work through all times in our lives together and individually. ;) I feel that we have shared more time together than we ever will and I know there are many more special occassions and moments in our lives that will surprise and bring us closer.You are my soul mate and nothing, and no one else feels more right than you!! I love you eternally and unconditionally. God's love has answered this prayer I've wanted and been almost too anxious for so long. I miss you more than words can say and my love will reach any distance and fly to be in your dreams and heart each evening that we can be together. I physically long for you each night and will see you in my dreams until we find ourselves wrapped in the love that grows stronger and deeper each day, into our future together. I believe and have faith in you.
Love Always,
Camila


I almost wish she were true. :-?

Hi......,

Tomorrow's hopes and dreams may never die for as long as you believe in yourself and follow your heart. Kindnesses in your heart will guide you to accomplish many things in life and overcome all challenges, all obstacles, and love. Never give up, always have faith in yourself and you will gain the greatest gift of all, the gift of hope and love you righteously deserve. Whatever you may do in future's way, never let anyone stand in the way of pursuing your dreams and wishes you have always dreamt of in your life. Know that you will always have families and friends to rely on and stand by whenever you need them. Vow to your words and soul that loving others with dignity and respect is the key to achieve great success and everlasting love in life. No matter what you may decide to do in life, the help, and the gratitude, will always be there from me. Thank you and I wish the best for you.

Love Always,

...


Yes, almost convincing, would'nt you say????

I want you to read this and have this feeling then make you are honest with this and don't hide any feeling from me,So God bless you as you read...

Two Hearts...Only two hearts can sing with all the joy life brings, inspiring hope in the soul's depths,scaling mountains never climbed yet, flying beyond the star's reach and discovering beauty in the light of each, seeking rainbows beyond the pall.Only two hearts in love,have it all--two hearts like ours.A Pure Heart...A unicorn represents A pure heart overflowing.

with love,innocence,kindness,charity,justice,sensitivit y,truth,loyalty,beauty,and all things good.I'm sending youthis unicorn greeting,because I see all of these special qualities in you.You're a magical sparkin a world that sometimes seems dark. Your light never fails to touch my heart and soul leaving behind a feeling of peace and an assurance that goodness truly exists in the world.Thank you for being you.The rose that you gave me has faded, and wilted away. But, the love tucked in deep inside remains in my heart forever,I think maybe forever is what you make of it. Tomorrow may be the end of your forever. I think we should be more careful how we use it.See there's this place in me where your fingerprints still rest, your kisses still linger, and your whispers softly echo. It's the place where a part of you will forever be a part of me.I love the sun for days, the moon for nights and you forever.Time will prove my love to you and cement my place in your heart forever. For time will give me the credibility and the believability that I need to convince you to want to spend the rest of your life with me. That I am worthy of such a commitment from you,If your are meant to be together forever, you will survive any obstacle or trouble that comes to you.Your heart and mine are forever one,Forever is not today, not tomorrow or a century that will come, but a lifetime,Sweety you mean so much to me for making me doing this and i believe you need to understand this fact that this come straight from me heart and making the love you have for me so strong and healthy all the time...

I LOVE YOU SO MUCH...


I wonder why they target me???? Well, i know that.

__________________________________________________

redrat11
10-21-2007, 01:39 PM
Beware of the Camila Scam....


If you see this 'pretty picture' beware, dating sites are nothing more than Informtion gathering houses of "some government" agencies. Not all of them of course.



<center>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/girl4.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
</center>



The Camila Scam


Read this crap from Camila.

Hello,
i will tell you a little about myself..my real name is Camila i am 27 years,from florida,i am living with my room mate ,i am studying....i am the only daughter of the family,my parent got married to each in the state....i am happy i have a wonderful parent like my parent but unfortunately i lost my parent years ago in a car wreck and it sucks..its so painful coz i was unable to let them feel my impact before thay died...Right now i am studying(Business Management) in west africa(Nigeria) preciselly..this is my first time to travel to Nigeria and i dont really know much about this environment but i am so adaptive so i get used to alot of things so easily and i get to understand how things are been done in the environrnment too as well...i have just started my career on it and its really my dream and i seek a man who will surport my dream...i just got to africa like 6 months ago and on planing to get back to the state soon..to complete my dream and career..it has really been a dream come true for me to become a banker and i have commited all my time and all i have into this career and i hope it leads to a very great future for me ,i am a very sincere and honest person,i am Caring, kind, social, smart, intelligent, passionate, friendlly, romantic, and i believe in the truth and honest of love..i am really a very sincere person when it comes to sharing feelings and emotions with that speical person and i really am down to heart honest about the things i say and do cause i dont like hurting peoples feelings,cause everyone has a chance to laugh,so why do i make them sad..i am really very easy to get along with,fun to be with and am very adaptive and communicative when it comes to conversant.and my life is based on the truth and honest of self personality...i would realy like to get to know alot about you and learn somethings with you cause you seems to be kind of ready in getting to know my kind of person and hopefull we can meet in person soon..with time we will get to know each others feelings, motives and intensions towards each other and it will help us grow knowing each other and trusting each other..i am looking for Honest,God fearing,loyal,trusthworthy and intelligent person..i am looking for something long term relationship.coz i have been hurt by men before and i dont want to be hurt again neither do i want to be single again..i am looking for a life companion to share love with...Well i will await your reply and i will try and email you back asap. So i will like you to get back to me on yahoo messenger okay my id is camila_seekin4luv so try and add me there okay thanks have a nice day take care of your self thanks BYE
Regards




It gets better...


Meet Camila....

<center>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/camila2.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/camila1.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/camila.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br>
</center>


Here they try to intice you to think that they LOVE YOU.


Hello,
Wow oooo am so happy to hear from u today babe. tell me it hard now for me to believe that u still single? well if you really are still single them why an't you getting a woman in your life? any way tell me again now what you really looking for in life? date, relationship, friend, business partner, or you came to play games here couse i really need to know your mind before going futher with you. I am still on my knees begging for love, not to a stranger but to one I wanna know,reason why am truly interested in you is becos you are my first man on singlesnet and i join singlesnet today and befor i join i have promise my self that the first man i will first meet on there will be the joy of my life and am so happy is you cos you are very honest and caring an also kind,and i promise you i will not let you down okay,and also am a virgin and i know it will be so hard for you to believe me and if you can believe me i promise you thing is going to work out fine okay,since you did reply me back. I've been in love with and know it's not a fun. Each night and day I hope and pray that i found the riteful man that will be mine forever . I know it's hard to fine man and trust a man - giving your heart, body and soul, but know it's me that's on my knees swallowing my pride, begging you, please ... once again I say please, If you really serious about me couse am badly in pain in the pass and i want it to go alway ........i really need to be loved and not to be dissapointed , I hope you understand were am coming from and were am going. hope to hear from u again.
Camila


Lovey Dovey...

it continues, keep in mind I'm playing along, I will not copy my E-mails, Too bad..


Hello Love,
Thanks for the mail,Immediately i got your email my feelings turn over on you and it seems you are the right man which i have been seacrhing for to bring back the smile which i use to smile when my dad was still alive,For a good relationship to grow we need to trust each other and be honest with each other to acheive what we want to acheive well i am seeking for man which will be the flesh to my flesh and also the bone to my bone,It's true I have never seen you and we have never met,Never shaken Hands or even truly hugged and yet!I know for sure you care for me by the kindness that you give.And our keyboards keep us together doesn't matter where we live.So I am emailing you to put a smile on your face and to let you know in my heart you have a special place.The sun is always shining just above the cloudy haze,as we share friendship across an online maze.We express love and kindness without a face.It comes from deep inside our hearts from a special place. Within our lives we share special dreams, unusual and unique,and it is with our keyboards that we speak.You are a friend of mine from the emails we exchange,I wouldn't know you on the street and it doesn't even seem strange.You have brightened my life with the thoughtfulness you show.Your words encourage me more than you could know.As people change and times keep changing too,one thing stays the same ~the way I feel for you.For this friendship we possesswe owe a world of gratitude and debt,because we would not know each other if it wasn't for the net, I will want you to tell me your feelings about me and what you think we can do to acheive our goal.Hope to hear from you soon
Camila


Almost convincing, I'll publish the PUNCHLINE soon, AMAZING what people do, don't you think.
:-o
Dear Love,
You are a blessing that my entire being is very thankful for. I feel that we were made to love, listen, understand, and work through all times in our lives together and individually. ;) I feel that we have shared more time together than we ever will and I know there are many more special occassions and moments in our lives that will surprise and bring us closer.You are my soul mate and nothing, and no one else feels more right than you!! I love you eternally and unconditionally. God's love has answered this prayer I've wanted and been almost too anxious for so long. I miss you more than words can say and my love will reach any distance and fly to be in your dreams and heart each evening that we can be together. I physically long for you each night and will see you in my dreams until we find ourselves wrapped in the love that grows stronger and deeper each day, into our future together. I believe and have faith in you.
Love Always,
Camila


I almost wish she were true. :-?

Hi......,

Tomorrow's hopes and dreams may never die for as long as you believe in yourself and follow your heart. Kindnesses in your heart will guide you to accomplish many things in life and overcome all challenges, all obstacles, and love. Never give up, always have faith in yourself and you will gain the greatest gift of all, the gift of hope and love you righteously deserve. Whatever you may do in future's way, never let anyone stand in the way of pursuing your dreams and wishes you have always dreamt of in your life. Know that you will always have families and friends to rely on and stand by whenever you need them. Vow to your words and soul that loving others with dignity and respect is the key to achieve great success and everlasting love in life. No matter what you may decide to do in life, the help, and the gratitude, will always be there from me. Thank you and I wish the best for you.

Love Always,

...


Yes, almost convincing, would'nt you say????

I want you to read this and have this feeling then make you are honest with this and don't hide any feeling from me,So God bless you as you read...

Two Hearts...Only two hearts can sing with all the joy life brings, inspiring hope in the soul's depths,scaling mountains never climbed yet, flying beyond the star's reach and discovering beauty in the light of each, seeking rainbows beyond the pall.Only two hearts in love,have it all--two hearts like ours.A Pure Heart...A unicorn represents A pure heart overflowing.

with love,innocence,kindness,charity,justice,sensitivit y,truth,loyalty,beauty,and all things good.I'm sending youthis unicorn greeting,because I see all of these special qualities in you.You're a magical sparkin a world that sometimes seems dark. Your light never fails to touch my heart and soul leaving behind a feeling of peace and an assurance that goodness truly exists in the world.Thank you for being you.The rose that you gave me has faded, and wilted away. But, the love tucked in deep inside remains in my heart forever,I think maybe forever is what you make of it. Tomorrow may be the end of your forever. I think we should be more careful how we use it.See there's this place in me where your fingerprints still rest, your kisses still linger, and your whispers softly echo. It's the place where a part of you will forever be a part of me.I love the sun for days, the moon for nights and you forever.Time will prove my love to you and cement my place in your heart forever. For time will give me the credibility and the believability that I need to convince you to want to spend the rest of your life with me. That I am worthy of such a commitment from you,If your are meant to be together forever, you will survive any obstacle or trouble that comes to you.Your heart and mine are forever one,Forever is not today, not tomorrow or a century that will come, but a lifetime,Sweety you mean so much to me for making me doing this and i believe you need to understand this fact that this come straight from me heart and making the love you have for me so strong and healthy all the time...

I LOVE YOU SO MUCH...


I wonder why they target me???? Well, i know that.

__________________________________________________



The Punchline....


The beginning...


Hi Darling,

How are you doing today and how is work with you babe? i hope you did dream about us babe and you ve a nice day too. well my love i want to stand by your side, I'm proud to be with someone like you, the sweetest and most caring guy I've ever known. Don't ever change, Honey, as you're perfect to me ... we're perfect for each other and it will be like that for eternity.I know we'll have a great life together and can't wait for us to be with each other every day, sharing everyday problems and joy, without having to leave one another's side. Fate put us through this, but we'll come out of it all shining as the love we feel is hard to find,I'm proud of the person you are. I love the way you are with me .i really need to be loved and not to be dissapointed and you have show me that love and that you promise me that your never dissapoint me, i can make it to the state Tomorrow or next tomorrow if you make things work out fine btw you and me. hope to hear from you my love,I will go to the Ticket Agent today to confirm the Cost of the Flight...So in the mean time..I want you to get back to me with your details as giving below.When i come back from the Ticket Agent office, i will let you know the outcome.

Full Name:
Full Address:
City:
State:
ZipCode:
Phone Number:
Closest Airport to you:

with love and God Bless,

Camila

:-?

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No Comment......

Hello Husband,

My Love,I just Got Back From The Airport and i just wanna say Thanks for the mail,I think of you,Hun. You are so far away, yet so close in my heart. My heart and my body yearns for you. You brought love and laughter to my empty, sad and boring life. My heart had known only emptiness until the day you came and filled my heart to overflowing with your jovial ways. Your sense of humor has turned my frown into a smile.You taught me how to love again, you taught me to give and receive love by trusting in you and believing. You taught me to go the extra mile. And though there are miles between us, I never stop thinking of you, you have brought a change into my life and my heart is forever yours.I can never forget you, or keep thoughts of you out of my mind.. Thoughts of you warm my heart. You complete me, you are everything my heart desire,How can I forget you when your always on my mind? How can I not want you when your all I want inside? How can I let you go when I can't see us apart? How can I not love you when you control my heart,You're always lighting up my heart with the things you do and say. I feel so happy just being with you this way. You're my Life, and will forever be my Life
You will always be the love of my life, and please never give up, always have faith in yourself and you will gain the greatest gift of all, the gift of hope and love you righteously deserve. Every time I think of you my heart misses a beat. You're my theme for a dream! Every moment we share together we grow closer. I'm simply hanging by a moment, waiting to see you soon Hunnie,I will never forget you. I hope you still think of me too. I love you with all that I am,all that I was and all that I will ever be. Please know that my love and I are inseparable and I would want it no other way and if time could express my love for you then it's forever and a day, I can't wait to be with you, see your smile, look in your eyes, feel your sweet touch, hear your perfect words and kiss your perfect lips. The way I feel about you some people call it crazy, some call it insane, but I call it true love. I really love you

Hunnie i will email you my booking details as soon as i have my flight booked,Hunnie i have got a bad news ,Immediately we Leave Class today,the school authority called a short Notice,that there is an immediate meeting,on getting there we are told that we have to pay the sum of $700 for our school leaving Certificate,Hunnie its makes me feel sad because i never thought we are going to pay for the certificate but since its an order from the school authority,i have no power to querry their intention,Hunnie i will be very happy if you can just raise me with the fund because its just the only thing i need to do so that i can get back to the state,i am not forcing you into doing this but i thought i should tell you because it will hasten our meeting,i dont mean to ask you for this but i think i have no where to go than to let you know what is going on here

Time may take us apart, that's true,Hunnie it the right time for us to be together,I will always be there for you. You're in my heart, you'll be in my dreams, no matter the miles between,You have my heart and soul. I know the miles between us are great. But our love will keep us near to each other,Hunnie let me know what is on your mind about my certificate,get back to me as soon as possible Hunnie..
I Love You So Much

From Your Wifee

Camila....



Is'nt Life Grand???? :-?

redrat11
10-22-2007, 05:24 PM
Oh Boy...


I did'nt realize I was married.
*******************

:-o




Hello Love,

Good Morning!I'm just dropping in to say,"I hope you have a wonderful day!"May your morning be sunny side up,your afternoon bright too.May the whole day bring good news to you!

I love you so much....

Camila


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redrat11
10-22-2007, 07:25 PM
I'm going F***** Insane....


I went to run a errand, and got lost, in my own small part of the world, DUH. Can't think right. :-?


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redrat11
10-24-2007, 05:55 AM
For Once...



For Once I agree with Makow. The NWO has destroyed Women, And the Nuclear Family.



http://www.savethemales.ca/



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BlueAngel
10-24-2007, 08:04 AM
I'm certain you agree with Makow on other issues.

As far as the NWO having DESTROYED women, not true.

I'm female.

BlueAngel
10-24-2007, 08:36 AM
Seems like your on-line female friends are tracking, stalking and profiling you.

Shadow
10-25-2007, 03:10 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
I'm certain you agree with Makow on other issues.

As far as the NWO having DESTROYED women, not true.

I'm female.

But you have proven the good doctors point.

Ret, you had better be carefull with those pictures you are playing with. Some may act as markers for incoming IP requests.

redrat11
10-25-2007, 05:30 AM
Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
I'm certain you agree with Makow on other issues.

As far as the NWO having DESTROYED women, not true.

I'm female.

But you have proven the good doctors point.

Ret, you had better be carefull with those pictures you are playing with. Some may act as markers for incoming IP requests.

can you explain???? first you mention 'data Vipers' now markers for incoming Ip'S, if your a computer techie, then do explain, because I googled those terms and they don't exist.

redrat11
10-25-2007, 06:03 AM
Anyway, back to the subject...


Ah yes, speaking of Makows article yesterday, he mentioned that men have to stop treating women as sex objects, I have to slightly disagree with that(although men should always respect women) because in my life it has been women that instigated SEXUAL INTERCOURSE at the spur of the moment.

When I was much younger, I thought I was more handsome, and in my prime then, but, as I placed my photo on online dating services recently, I apparently am still 'very-welcoming' I'm not bragging, the shear amount of E-mails I get is indicative of this, I have since taken down my photo from dating sites. but, this is'nt what I'm going to write about here.

You might think I'm some sort of sexual deviant after reading this, you would be wrong in assuming that. Ok here goes...


Spontaneous Sex..


This occasion happened when I was younger, anyway I went to a convenience store and met a fine lady, I knew I would hit it off with her right away, she was hot, she was apparently extremely horny at the moment, as she started to grab me, keep in mind, this is the first time ever seeing this lady, she then asked me to go with her to the 'managers room' she locked the store doors and we had sexual intercourse, right there, at the spur of the moment. Now you might say that is pretty disgusting, and very dangerous, you would be somewhat correct, but this lady was no 'tramp' I know a 'good lady' from a wretch, it's not hard to distinguish.


You might be thinking right now, have you lost your freekin mind? Answer: NO.

I'm simply making a point about Makows article yesterday, I can personally speak of at least 4 other instances in my life where similar instances have occurred. Am I proud of it, of course not, And keep in mind I was single and not taken. The point is that Women have been the instigators of Sexual indescretions for time immemorial, Makow seems to think most men are Sex Starved Ghouls, that is somewhat true, but I say from personal experience that Women, especially nowadays are Incredibly Sex starved, because the way the NWO has set everything up.


A good question is Would I 'Do It' again, you know spontaneous sex with first meeting females, NO! I'm seeking a good honest female to settle with period. If they exist out there.

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 08:44 AM
I agree with Makow's article all up until this point, "Guys have got to demand more than sex so women can rediscover themselves."

This is one thing I am SICK of. Why? Because the truth of the matter is that men DO demand more than sex from women. They ALWAYS HAVE.

Here is the real problem, it is WOMEN who have been programmed concerning what they are supposed to be and what MEN are supposed to act like.

I said things similar before, but I will say it again, the most easily controlled element of society is the FEMALE population.

Woman are NOT leaders. Woman are NOT thinkers. Woman are pathologically, genetically, and sociologically DIFFERENT from men in almost every way. Woman are FAR MORE EASILY DECEIVED than men.

If there is a trend in society, any trend, a woman will most ALWAYS follow it without question. A man might do the same, but it takes far more convincing for a man to be psychologically controlled.

It is not in the nature of a human female to lead, think linearly, or to be individuals.

Women are genetically predisposed to follow, feel, and associate with groups.

And another thing that must be understood by men, WOMAN ARE SEX OBJECTS! Not only are they 'a' sex object' of men, but women are THE sex object! Women are SEX! There is NOTHING wrong with this! It is the way women were made! Women are the SEX OBJECTS of men! They are the OBJECT of a man's LOVE at every level, on every plane.

A man is the SUBJECT of a woman's sex and love. But a woman is a man's SEX OBJECT.

Women have been conditioned in this society that being a SEX OBJECT is a bad thing and that if a man thinks of them as a SEX OBJECT he is a CHAUVANIST.

But simply look around you and observe what happens. It is the most asinine manifestation of hypocrisy. Why? Because put in a neutral, natural environment, a woman will ALWAYS play the role of a man's SEX OBJECT. Women WANT to be SEX OBJECTS, NEED to be SEX OBJECTS, YEARN to be SEX OBJECTS, ARE SEX OBJECTS!

The confussion comes in the social programming that they have been subjected to that is a subtle form of population control. But here's the problem, the social programming doesn't work. It may add to the confusion, but WOMEN WILL BE SEX OBJECTS no matter what the NWO programs them to be, because WOMEN ARE HARDWIRED TO BE SEX OBJECTS AND THERE IS NO SHAME IN IT BECAUSE GOD HARDWIRED THEM TO BE SEX OBJECTS FOR THEIR MEN!

TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT WHAT A WOMAN LOOKS LIKE NATURALLY! WHAT IS SHE BUT A HARDWIRED SEX OBJECT! HARDWIRED FOR SEX! HARDWIRED FOR LOVE! HARDWIRED FOR REPRODUCTION! HARDWIRED FOR NURTURE! HARDWIRED FOR MOTHERHOOD!

SHE IS A SEX OBJECT HARDWIRED AND BUILT AROUND A MAN'S PENIS! SHE FITS MAN LIKE A GLOVE!

TELL ME THAT A HUMAN FEMALE IS NOT A SEX OBJECT AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE A LIAR IN THE PLATONIC SENSE!

http://www.justgirls.nl/wp-content/uploads/hegre/hegre_hana_naked_women_spread_babe_women_girl.jpg

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 09:04 AM
However, Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza is NOT a sex object. Why? It is because those goggles she wears immediately eliminate her from sexuality.

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Images/fiorenza.gif

http://www.wife-beaters.com/images/img3.jpg

Let's hear it for Patriarchy!

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 09:12 AM
Now here is a manifestation of the ongoing and traggic situation of spousal abuse in the united states..

Spousal [Male Chauvanist] Abuse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhuQqUK_OS0)

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 09:23 AM
Another gross manifestation of the modern Chauvanist conspiracy is the abusive so-called sport [really Patriarchal Wife Beating Practice] known as Sumo Wrestling...

Disgusting and quite sexist...

http://www.bounce-a-lot.co.uk/FATSLA~1.jpg

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img/sumo-wrestling-crack.jpg

Notice how this male ego driven ignorance attempts to objectify women.

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 09:28 AM
And just take a look at this Chauvanistic Patriarchal Male Lion attempting to objectify the lioness during his violent rape! The fact that he forced his will upon her without consent is not enough, no...he must roar and gloat about the fact...before the WHOLE WORLD! ON THE INTERNET! IN FRONT OF OUR CHILDREN!

A picture of continued male abuse against women's rights is beginning to emmerge.

http://www.african-safari-journals.com/image-files/lionmating.jpg

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 09:55 AM
Next, we come to Shakespear. And the question of the hour is, what can we learn about Chauvanism from Hamlet?

Here we have an example of such patriarchal 'overtones' in Act First, Scene Twain...

Notice how Hamlet has something of an Oedipus complex going on within his own psycho-sexual makeup. What was it? Was it his overpowering Partriarchal role model? Was it his love torn asunder? Was it small penis?

Hamlet 1, ii
http://www.leoyan.com/global-language.com/ENFOLDED/YOUNG/Illus/Copping-Hamlet.jpg
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeEwpsae0nE)

redrat11
10-25-2007, 08:37 PM
George_Bush wrote:
I agree with Makow's article all up until this point, "Guys have got to demand more than sex so women can rediscover themselves."

This is one thing I am SICK of. Why? Because the truth of the matter is that men DO demand more than sex from women. They ALWAYS HAVE.

Here is the real problem, it is WOMEN who have been programmed concerning what they are supposed to be and what MEN are supposed to act like.

I said things similar before, but I will say it again, the most easily controlled element of society is the FEMALE population.

Woman are NOT leaders. Woman are NOT thinkers. Woman are pathologically, genetically, and sociologically DIFFERENT from men in almost every way. Woman are FAR MORE EASILY DECEIVED than men.

If there is a trend in society, any trend, a woman will most ALWAYS follow it without question. A man might do the same, but it takes far more convincing for a man to be psychologically controlled.

It is not in the nature of a human female to lead, think linearly, or to be individuals.

Women are genetically predisposed to follow, feel, and associate with groups.

And another thing that must be understood by men, WOMAN ARE SEX OBJECTS! Not only are they 'a' sex object' of men, but women are THE sex object! Women are SEX! There is NOTHING wrong with this! It is the way women were made! Women are the SEX OBJECTS of men! They are the OBJECT of a man's LOVE at every level, on every plane.

A man is the SUBJECT of a woman's sex and love. But a woman is a man's SEX OBJECT.

Women have been conditioned in this society that being a SEX OBJECT is a bad thing and that if a man thinks of them as a SEX OBJECT he is a CHAUVANIST.

But simply look around you and observe what happens. It is the most asinine manifestation of hypocrisy. Why? Because put in a neutral, natural environment, a woman will ALWAYS play the role of a man's SEX OBJECT. Women WANT to be SEX OBJECTS, NEED to be SEX OBJECTS, YEARN to be SEX OBJECTS, ARE SEX OBJECTS!

The confussion comes in the social programming that they have been subjected to that is a subtle form of population control. But here's the problem, the social programming doesn't work. It may add to the confusion, but WOMEN WILL BE SEX OBJECTS no matter what the NWO programs them to be, because WOMEN ARE HARDWIRED TO BE SEX OBJECTS AND THERE IS NO SHAME IN IT BECAUSE GOD HARDWIRED THEM TO BE SEX OBJECTS FOR THEIR MEN!

TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT WHAT A WOMAN LOOKS LIKE NATURALLY! WHAT IS SHE BUT A HARDWIRED SEX OBJECT! HARDWIRED FOR SEX! HARDWIRED FOR LOVE! HARDWIRED FOR REPRODUCTION! HARDWIRED FOR NURTURE! HARDWIRED FOR MOTHERHOOD!

SHE IS A SEX OBJECT HARDWIRED AND BUILT AROUND A MAN'S PENIS! SHE FITS MAN LIKE A GLOVE!

TELL ME THAT A HUMAN FEMALE IS NOT A SEX OBJECT AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE A LIAR IN THE PLATONIC SENSE!

http://www.justgirls.nl/wp-content/uploads/hegre/hegre_hana_naked_women_spread_babe_women_girl.jpg


Guys do have to demand more than sex, in order for women to rediscover there tru selves, It's like Women these days, (non-Christian type) are the only ones who don't understand there role as far as being feminine and nurturing. Most Christian Women don't buy into the Feminist crap, And don't get me wrong,Christian women sometimes don't get it either.


But think about this, if it is true that the 'controllers' have purposely done this to women,(and theres no question they have) then what will the ultimate outcome of society be? Well, we see this everyday in society around us, I personally see it as the destruction of Male/Female both. It's man role to take care and cherish women and children, It's mans role to be the leader of the household, I got to admit I've failed in those areas, but I'm still young, I can do it. and so can every other man out there.


What really disturbs me is all these 30-45 year old Females, professional type who never marry, never have children, don't have any Breast to speak of, No-asses, Jeez, the NWO SUCKS! skinny little 'things.' :-?


The naked female is Hot! And they are more than sexual objects, they are GODS CREATION called WOMEN! MANS ETERNAL GIFT FROM GOD, we are to cherish and love them not just for sexual pleasure.

redrat11
10-27-2007, 03:56 PM
The answer to the original thread is YES! YES they are tracking and profiling you, SO WHAT! The Government is so freekin incompetent, they would'nt know what to do with such massive amount of info from millions of people. We have been duped into believe that they are some competent individuals running the 'shadow government' nothing could be further from the truth, just look at how they are running the world, talk about being paranoid, there is nothing to fear, if you fear, then you have already lost the battle. Let it rain...that's why there are umbrellas. 8-) Enjoy your Saturday. :-)

Let it Rain,Let it Rain, Let it rain down on me, Let it Rain......


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redrat11
10-28-2007, 02:39 AM
Never will freedom be extinguished! Unless you allow it.


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After many years, I now know what the Q is.




Ah! now I understand.....

I understand (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2999&forum=3&post_id=25252&PHPSESSID=8b369056f07c7556cefc907064871f5d#forumpo st25252)

redrat11
10-28-2007, 03:41 AM
:-o

Shadow
10-28-2007, 10:28 AM
redrat11 wrote:

Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
I'm certain you agree with Makow on other issues.

As far as the NWO having DESTROYED women, not true.

I'm female.

But you have proven the good doctors point.

Ret, you had better be carefull with those pictures you are playing with. Some may act as markers for incoming IP requests.

can you explain???? first you mention 'data Vipers' now markers for incoming Ip'S, if your a computer techie, then do explain, because I googled those terms and they don't exist.


Do you think they would allow references like that to be googable?

I tried explaining it to you at the beginning but all I got from you and your buddy torchie was ridicule. So why should I bother.

Besides, from what you have writen about your habits, it is almost certain that you have been infected and marked.

Don't bother looking at any of the commerical anti virus/antispam software, they are useless against this.

redrat11
10-28-2007, 12:25 PM
Shadow wrote:

redrat11 wrote:

Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
I'm certain you agree with Makow on other issues.

As far as the NWO having DESTROYED women, not true.

I'm female.

But you have proven the good doctors point.

Ret, you had better be carefull with those pictures you are playing with. Some may act as markers for incoming IP requests.

can you explain???? first you mention 'data Vipers' now markers for incoming Ip'S, if your a computer techie, then do explain, because I googled those terms and they don't exist.


Do you think they would allow references like that to be googable?

I tried explaining it to you at the beginning but all I got from you and your buddy torchie was ridicule. So why should I bother.

Besides, from what you have writen about your habits, it is almost certain that you have been infected and marked.

Don't bother looking at any of the commerical anti virus/antispam software, they are useless against this.


'Brother' Shadow, your computer is loaded with 'Data-Vipers' the very day you purchase it, and then turn it on. I thought you knew that. Regardless of what you buy, or do to 'protect' your computer, as long as your 'connected' to the net, you are ensnarled by them. No-where to run, No-where to hide.

Shadow
10-28-2007, 12:37 PM
There is a way to tell from windows task manager. I tried to explain it once before. They can be removed but not through windows.

Memory is finite, you need to know what you are doing. IP markers are a different kettle of fish. They need IE.

redrat11
10-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Shadow wrote:
There is a way to tell from windows task manager. I tried to explain it once before. They can be removed but not through windows.

Memory is finite, you need to know what you are doing. IP markers are a different kettle of fish. They need IE.

Ok, Apparently you have come out of the 'shadows' you seem so 'attached' to the subject of computer security, I'm telling you that Your Computer, yes, your computer shadow is infected also, what makes you think, it is'nt?



Your not grasping the fact that yours, mine, everyones computer is vulnerable because the GOVERNMENT OWNS CYBERSPACE, get it? there is only limited things you can do to remove the 'vipers' but, they will always be back in one form or another. the best thing to do is NOT GIVE ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION OVER THE NET, And If you think I have you would be incorrect. the fact is if someone wants to gain acsess to you computer, there is a 90% chance they will, that's why the Government and Corporate body supposedly get there information.

http://www.2-spyware.com/keyloggers-removal

Shadow
10-29-2007, 08:10 AM
All I said is that they are most likely in yours already.

As for mine, I know what to look for and there are none on mine. Cyberspace is another matter.

Just make sure you have no personal information or pictures on your computer. If you have then they have.

Good luck. You will need it.

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 01:05 PM
See. They prove their paranoia again.

Shadow
10-29-2007, 01:30 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
See. They prove their paranoia again.

You have even bigger problems!

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Since I don't have any problems, big or small, care to fill me in?

Shadow
10-30-2007, 08:11 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Since I don't have any problems, big or small, care to fill me in?

You have the biggest problem of the lot.

BlueAngel
10-30-2007, 08:53 AM
So, glad you responded.

That certainly explains a LOT.

Since I'm not part of a LOT, your statement would be inaccurate, as usual.

Shadow
10-30-2007, 09:19 AM
It is your problem so I guess you are free to handle it anyway that you wish.

But keep in mind you are free for the moment.

BlueAngel
10-30-2007, 12:47 PM
Shadow wrote:
It is your problem so I guess you are free to handle it anyway that you wish.

But keep in mind you are free for the moment.

KINDLY ELABORATE ON YOUR EMPTY THREATS. HOWEVER, REMEMBER, THAT I MAKE NO THREATS, ONLY PROMISES. IT IS NOT MY FREEDOM THAT IS AT STAKE.

Shadow
10-31-2007, 08:36 AM
Why are you changing your posts?

redrat11
11-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Lady wants me to eat her out???? 8-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=




I'm craving your body



Wanting too love your body



I'm all yours baby!



I want all your all loving...

[insert HOT SEX)


after the LOVE?????



Yet again??



YEEEAAHHHH!

I can't find the reasons??



I want too FUCK UUUUUUU! all night!


Jeez, get the fuck out!

redrat11
11-04-2007, 08:36 PM
FUCK,



FUCK




FUCK!



Please LET ME LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY MIND!


Let me fuck U all night!


let me play with your tits.


I CANT'T FIND THE REASONS----I WANT TOO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT===I WANT SQUEEZE YOU ALL NIGHT--

I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS!!!!!


I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS TO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT..


I CAN"T find the reasons.....

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redrat11
11-04-2007, 09:58 PM
Yeeeahhh, I can't find the reasons, WANNA LOVE YOU ALL NIGHT,


WHY ALL MY TEARS,


LOVE YOU TILL THE MORNING LIGHT.


I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=

redrat11
11-04-2007, 10:12 PM
>>>>I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU FOREVER BABE<<<<

MY TEARS.....



FOREVER!


GOD BROUGHT US TOGETHER!

MY LOVE WILL NEVER DISSAPPEAR!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=

GOD ALWAYS WORKS!

Shadow
11-05-2007, 07:47 AM
Doesn't sound good.

BlueAngel
11-05-2007, 02:55 PM
I'll say.

I think RedRat had a little too much to drink and confused Club Conspiracy with the pornographic sites he visits and has been banned from as he has said so himself.

Oh, my bad.

It wasn't pornography sites that RedRat said he had been banned from, but from every conspiracy and other site he posted at.

Perhaps, his recent behavior here may reflect the reason for his bannings at those other sites.

Just sayin'.

BlueAngel
11-05-2007, 08:48 PM
Kindly take your disgusting language and pictorials elsewhere.

Shadow
11-06-2007, 09:04 AM
Nice ass! Pity about your crap taste in music!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/reddog11/018.jpg

BlueAngel
11-06-2007, 05:58 PM
Such a rarity.

redrat11
11-08-2007, 06:11 PM
I Hear....



I hear, the secrets that you keep...When your talking in your sleep...I hear the secrets that you keep,..When your talking in your sleep.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEikEPoKaA

BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 08:01 PM
I didn't want to pull this thread to the front, but certainly it depicts a very unstable RAT, particularly on Page 5.

redrat11
12-06-2007, 08:49 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I didn't want to pull this thread to the front, but certainly it depicts a very unstable RAT, particularly on Page 5.



YES, DA, I'm very unstable, I have to keep you DEMENTOS locked into my world, so you don't end up in the NUT HOUSE, You see how generous I am.



YOUR locked into my world of words. :-o You just can't stay away from me....Now, who really is the unstable one???



I should get paid for my service to humanity.


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BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 09:08 PM
RedRat said:

YES, DA, I'm very unstable, I have to keep you DEMENTOS locked into my world, so you don't end up in the NUT HOUSE, You see how generous I am.

Firstly, DEMENTOS? Secondly, you don't keep me locked into your world. That would be imprisonment and a prisoner, I am not. You are a prime example of someone who might end up in a nut house, has been there or is perhaps writing from one. Actually, no, I don't see how generous you are and don't care to, either.

YOUR locked into my world of words. You just can't stay away from me....Now, who really is the unstable one???

You're delusional from the first sentence in this second paragraph. You may desire that I be locked into your world of words, but I live in MY world of words and not your WORLD of WORDS. I didn't pull this thread up because as your delusional mind believes, I can't stay away from you. It was to make a point to a new poster. To the contrary on both counts. That, and you've proven yourself to be unstable. This very comment does exactly that. Delusional is a sign of instability.

I should get paid for my service to humanity.

You've done nothing for humanity.

redrat11
12-06-2007, 09:25 PM
OMG...



BA, stay the heck away from me then, WHY DO YOU SAY THOSE THINGS, AND THEN DO THE EXACT THING THAT I WRITE ABOUT? Especially you, you have hounded me for almost a year now, it is you who have mental problems, YOU claim your married, yet You spend your waking time ALL FREEKIN DAY long harrassing people on this forum.


Where is your mind at? Trust me, I, or anybody does'nt want to know that, And let me tell you that you are the delusional, or did you not know that? You ramble on, and on, about some insane stuff no- one in there right mind believes.


And back to your phony 'marraige' to another make believe person, BA, pleese get a real life, that goes for ALL OF YOU HERE, you people are the insane ones, I simply come here and write whatever the heck I feel, THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST THAT, is there? BA?


If you don't like my writing or anything just SKIP MY POST'S and go on to the next persom who post's, PERIOD! NO-ONE is forcing you to read my stuff, in fact It amuses me more than it does you
'people', how's that?



Kindly bug off.

BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 09:35 PM
redrat11 wrote:
OMG...



BA, stay the heck away from me then, WHY DO YOU SAY THOSE THINGS, AND THEN DO THE EXACT THING THAT I WRITE ABOUT? Especially you, you have hounded me for almost a year now, it is you who have mental problems, YOU claim your married, yet You spend your waking time ALL FREEKIN DAY long harrassing people on this forum.

I do stay away from you. It is you who doesn't stay away from me. I haven't hounded you, you've hounded me. I don't have mental problems, you do. I am married. I don't spend all of my time on this site. I don't harass people. You do.

Where is your mind at? Trust me, I, or anybody does'nt want to know that, And let me tell you that you are the delusional, or did you not know that? You ramble on, and on, about some insane stuff no- one in there right mind believes.

My mind is in my brain. I'm not delusional, you are. I don't ramble on about insane stuff that nobody believes and if they didn't, maybe they do now, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks out there who believe. I assume you're referring to Bruce Springsteen. If so, you don't belong on a conspiracy forum, especially this one, if you don't believe in mind control. Most people aren't in their right minds. Thanks to music and the controllers. You included.

And back to your phony 'marraige' to another make believe person, BA, pleese get a real life, that goes for ALL OF YOU HERE, you people are the insane ones, I simply come here and write whatever the heck I feel, THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST THAT, is there? BA?

I've been married for 25 years, thank you. You write about insane stuff that nobody believes. I have a real life, thank you. We realize you write whatever the heck you feel like.

If you don't like my writing or anything just SKIP MY POST'S and go on to the next persom who post's, PERIOD! NO-ONE is forcing you to read my stuff, in fact It amuses me more than it does you
'people', how's that?

If you don't like my writings or anything just skip my posts and go on to the next person who posts, period! No-one is forcing you to read my stuff.

Kindly bug off.

Kindly bug off.

BlueAngel
12-06-2007, 09:38 PM
Night.

BlueAngel
12-10-2007, 10:58 PM
Let's keep this at the top.

Particulary, page 5.

http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6127&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=40&PHPSESSID=49ec2e8474f6739e5922565d1bc5c93c

me9G7X5t1r2M
12-10-2007, 11:42 PM
blueangel, you are just a bad apple, an illuminati reject. you are not good for good things, and no good for bad things, you are no good for anything useful to rest of us

you know that all that you do is to just bother and irritate everyone in this forum without providing any useful content. you never have, and you never will

you just fill pages and pages of HTML with pure unadulterated garbage

your attitude sucks. you have no self-respect and no self discipline of any kind, and that’s why you do not respect anyone in this forum because you don’t even respect yourself

every single time you act like a plain fool you demonstrate your lack of respect for everything including specially yourself

your “realage” must be just about 12 years old, that’s how immature you are, that is the intellectual level of the things that you can figure out to say in your responses. your techniques are those of a 12 year old. a 12 year old would be more useful than you to this forum. really

you criticize everything and you hate everyone

I bet you anything that if you left and disappeared from this forum everyone is going to be really appreciative of your decision to leave and no one, not one single person is going to miss you

then we could all go back and do something useful for a change

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a shrink

good bye and farewell

get some help, “pronto”

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 10:46 PM
I thought you were leaving.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

BlueAngel
12-12-2007, 10:47 PM
RedRat said:

Lady wants me to eat her out????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=




I'm craving your body



Wanting too love your body



I'm all yours baby!



I want all your all loving...

[insert HOT SEX)


after the LOVE?????



Yet again??



YEEEAAHHHH!

I can't find the reasons??



I want too FUCK UUUUUUU! all night!


Jeez, get the fuck out!
Edited by redrat11 on 2007/11/4 21:50:04



Posted on: 2007/11/4 21:26


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Posts: 1748
FUCK,



FUCK




FUCK!



Please LET ME LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY MIND!


Let me fuck U all night!


let me play with your tits.


I CANT'T FIND THE REASONS----I WANT TOO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT===I WANT SQUEEZE YOU ALL NIGHT--

I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS!!!!!


I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS TO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT..


I CAN"T find the reasons.....

Shadow
12-13-2007, 12:11 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
RedRat said:

Lady wants me to eat her out????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjP3dGiPHY&mode=related&search=




I'm craving your body



Wanting too love your body



I'm all yours baby!



I want all your all loving...

[insert HOT SEX)


after the LOVE?????



Yet again??



YEEEAAHHHH!

I can't find the reasons??



I want too FUCK UUUUUUU! all night!


Jeez, get the fuck out!
Edited by redrat11 on 2007/11/4 21:50:04



Posted on: 2007/11/4 21:26


redrat11
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Profile
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Re: Are they tracking and profiling you? #48
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Joined: 2005/9/3
From arizona
Posts: 1748
FUCK,



FUCK




FUCK!



Please LET ME LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY MIND!


Let me fuck U all night!


let me play with your tits.


I CANT'T FIND THE REASONS----I WANT TOO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT===I WANT SQUEEZE YOU ALL NIGHT--

I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS!!!!!


I CAN"T FIND THE REASONS TO FUCK YOU ALL NIGHT..


I CAN"T find the reasons.....

What is wrong with you?

BlueAngel
12-13-2007, 12:17 AM
Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer as to what is wrong with RedRat, seems he's disappeared.

But, obviously, he is a very sick individual, same as yourself.

Shadow
12-14-2007, 08:21 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer as to what is wrong with RedRat, seems he's disappeared.

But, obviously, he is a very sick individual, same as yourself.

I was asking as to what is wrong with you and not the gerbil.

You are the source of the gerbils problems just as you are an irritation to the rest of us.

BlueAngel
12-14-2007, 08:18 PM
Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer as to what is wrong with RedRat, seems he's disappeared.

But, obviously, he is a very sick individual, same as yourself.

I was asking as to what is wrong with you and not the gerbil.

You are the source of the gerbils problems just as you are an irritation to the rest of us.

Well, obviously, there isn't anything wrong with me, that's why I didn't answer.

RedRat is the source of his own problems and you are the source of absolutely NOTHING.

Your life can be compared to taking up space and wasting oxygen.

You're nothing but a stalker and only here because I'm writing about Springsteen.

Are you related to him?

Who are these WE people you and your other personality ME9 continue to refer to?

Must be the other useless insects on the forum, such as yourself, who, when I'm not posting seem to crawl back into the woodwork and crawl out when I do post only to comment on ME instead of engage in discussions regarding important issues such as mind control within the music industry.

Shadow
12-15-2007, 10:14 AM
BlueAngel wrote:

Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer as to what is wrong with RedRat, seems he's disappeared.

But, obviously, he is a very sick individual, same as yourself.

I was asking as to what is wrong with you and not the gerbil.

You are the source of the gerbils problems just as you are an irritation to the rest of us.

Well, obviously, there isn't anything wrong with me, that's why I didn't answer.

RedRat is the source of his own problems and you are the source of absolutely NOTHING.

Your life can be compared to taking up space and wasting oxygen.

You're nothing but a stalker and only here because I'm writing about Springsteen.

Are you related to him?

Who are these WE people you and your other personality ME9 continue to refer to?

Must be the other useless insects on the forum, such as yourself, who, when I'm not posting seem to crawl back into the woodwork and crawl out when I do post only to comment on ME instead of engage in discussions regarding important issues such as mind control within the music industry.

This is about the time that someone gets sick enough of you that they start compiling all of the meaningless crap that you so graciously manage to post on a 24/7 basis.

You of course beging to have yet another episode and begin to be rather vulgar in your attacks as well as begin threatening other people, mainly though private postings and end up getting banned yet once more.

I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

BlueAngel
12-15-2007, 10:19 AM
Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Shadow wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer as to what is wrong with RedRat, seems he's disappeared.

But, obviously, he is a very sick individual, same as yourself.

I was asking as to what is wrong with you and not the gerbil.

You are the source of the gerbils problems just as you are an irritation to the rest of us.

Well, obviously, there isn't anything wrong with me, that's why I didn't answer.

RedRat is the source of his own problems and you are the source of absolutely NOTHING.

Your life can be compared to taking up space and wasting oxygen.

You're nothing but a stalker and only here because I'm writing about Springsteen.

Are you related to him?

Who are these WE people you and your other personality ME9 continue to refer to?

Must be the other useless insects on the forum, such as yourself, who, when I'm not posting seem to crawl back into the woodwork and crawl out when I do post only to comment on ME instead of engage in discussions regarding important issues such as mind control within the music industry.

This is about the time that someone gets sick enough of you that they start compiling all of the meaningless crap that you so graciously manage to post on a 24/7 basis.

They don't have anything better to do with their life? Didn't think so.

You of course beging to have yet another episode and begin to be rather vulgar in your attacks as well as begin threatening other people, mainly though private postings and end up getting banned yet once more.

I'm never vulgar in my attacks. I never threaten anyone. I never privately post anyone.

I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

None of you are up to the task.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

Everyone is the captain of their own ship.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

You keep talking about not wanting to waste your time, but that's all you do. I never go over the edge. That seems to be the problem, eh, Shadow?

Shadow
12-15-2007, 10:34 AM
I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

None of you are up to the task.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

Everyone is the captain of their own ship.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

You keep talking about not wanting to waste your time, but that's all you do. I never go over the edge. That seems to be the problem, eh, Shadow?[/quote][/quote]

This is about the time that someone gets sick enough of you that they start compiling all of the meaningless crap that you so graciously manage to post on a 24/7 basis.

You of course beging to have yet another episode and begin to be rather vulgar in your attacks as well as begin threatening other people, mainly though private postings and end up getting banned yet once more.

I thought that it was the gerbil that was up to the task, but I guess not.

There were a couple of other candidates that I thought would have been doing it by now but I guess you had driven them out by boring them to death.

I could do it myself, but why waste the keystrokes. I imagine that it may be Peter that finaly drives you over the edge. Kind of ironic, you driving yourself over the edge.

redrat11
12-23-2007, 06:34 PM
Your Last Warning...


I started this thread to warn you people to "dark web" she is a sinister program, she however fails at many things, she will never computate that she is worth of fuck.
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158


The private sector always wins. :-o


Note: dark web has disappeared.












night

BlueAngel
12-23-2007, 07:47 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Your Last Warning...


I started this thread to warn you people to "dark web" she is a sinister program, she however fails at many things, she will never computate that she is worth of fuck.
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158


The private sector always wins. :-o


Note: dark web has disappeared.












night

Talk about scare tactics.

I thought that was the NWO's MO.

Delta
12-23-2007, 10:24 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Your Last Warning...


I started this thread to warn you people to "dark web" she is a sinister program, she however fails at many things, she will never computate that she is worth of fuck.
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158


The private sector always wins. :-o


Note: dark web has disappeared.












night

Talk about scare tactics.

I thought that was the NWO's MO.


Talk about insane. I would say that the rat would give you a good run if there were a contest here as to who was the least sane poster.

redrat11
12-23-2007, 10:50 PM
shadow, geez, man, or lady give me a break, don't you have anythig else to do you MORON...

redrat11
12-23-2007, 10:52 PM
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

redrat11
12-23-2007, 10:57 PM
you see how these people are fuckin nuts?? MODERATION IS KEY! ban! ban! ban!



























NIGHT

Delta
12-23-2007, 11:01 PM
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But rat, you should know better by now not to call anyone "MORON"









Unless you are looking in the mirror!

Remember: BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN!

redrat11
12-23-2007, 11:07 PM
Delta wrote:
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But rat, you should know better by now not to call anyone "MORON"









Unless you are looking in the mirror!

Remember: BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN!

you do realize your the one being dissected, dumb ass?? I'm going to sleep MORON!

Delta
12-23-2007, 11:46 PM
redrat11 wrote:

Delta wrote:
Yes, I agree, BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN!


But rat, you should know better by now not to call anyone "MORON"









Unless you are looking in the mirror!

Remember: BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN! BAN!

you do realize your the one being dissected, dumb ass?? I'm going to sleep MORON!


How exactly am I being "dissected"? :-?

Perhaps you had better sleep, you may make more sense that way!

redrat11
12-24-2007, 12:36 AM
U fascinate on SATANISM WHY????satan IS YOUR god????

Delta
12-24-2007, 12:52 PM
redrat11 wrote:
U fascinate on SATANISM WHY????satan IS YOUR god????

In what satanic language are you mumblin in now?

Start making sense if you have any hopes of being taken seriously by anyone that is even slightly normal.

BlueAngel
12-24-2007, 02:02 PM
Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Your Last Warning...


I started this thread to warn you people to "dark web" she is a sinister program, she however fails at many things, she will never computate that she is worth of fuck.
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158


The private sector always wins. :-o


Note: dark web has disappeared.












night

Talk about scare tactics.

I thought that was the NWO's MO.


Talk about insane. I would say that the rat would give you a good run if there were a contest here as to who was the least sane poster.

You're obviously one card short of a full deck along with everyone else on this forum.

Delta
12-24-2007, 02:04 PM
Actualy it would be a draw between you and the rat!

BlueAngel
12-24-2007, 02:05 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

The site is closing, RedRat has't taken it over, but somehow he has powers to ban Shadow?

I thought he was all about a site without moderation.

Yes, such abuse he's receiving from Delta. Better ban her/him for that. I mean, it's so cruel the way he/she is talking to RedRat.

BlueAngel
12-24-2007, 02:06 PM
redrat11 wrote:
you see how these people are fuckin nuts?? MODERATION IS KEY! ban! ban! ban!




























NIGHT

Yes, we see that all of you are nuts.

And, one NUT wants to ban the other nut!

RedRat is taking such a beating from Delta, he's all for moderation now.

Delta
12-24-2007, 02:08 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

The site is closing, RedRat has't taken it over, but somehow he has powers to ban Shadow?

I thought he was all about a site without moderation.

Yes, such abuse he's receiving from Delta. Better ban her/him for that. I mean, it's so cruel the way he/she is talking to RedRat.

I don't think he has done anything with Shadow! Shadow's posts are still around! You off all people should know that getting banned means being turned annonymous!

BlueAngel
12-24-2007, 02:11 PM
Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

The site is closing, RedRat has't taken it over, but somehow he has powers to ban Shadow?

I thought he was all about a site without moderation.

Yes, such abuse he's receiving from Delta. Better ban her/him for that. I mean, it's so cruel the way he/she is talking to RedRat.

I don't think he has done anything with Shadow! Shadow's posts are still around! You off all people should know that getting banned means being turned annonymous!

What are you talking about? Where did you read any reference to RedRat having done something with Shadow's posts?

As if I would care.

They're nothing but Garbage.

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BUSTED!

Delta
12-24-2007, 04:34 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

The site is closing, RedRat has't taken it over, but somehow he has powers to ban Shadow?

I thought he was all about a site without moderation.

Yes, such abuse he's receiving from Delta. Better ban her/him for that. I mean, it's so cruel the way he/she is talking to RedRat.

I don't think he has done anything with Shadow! Shadow's posts are still around! You off all people should know that getting banned means being turned annonymous!

What are you talking about? Where did you read any reference to RedRat having done something with Shadow's posts?

As if I would care.

They're nothing but Garbage.

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BUSTED!

Read your own writing you MORON! You are the one that stated that the rat banned Shadow, which is just another lie from your part.

BlueAngel
12-24-2007, 04:49 PM
Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Delta wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

redrat11 wrote:
Delta, now??? I will delight when I bann you MORON?

The site is closing, RedRat has't taken it over, but somehow he has powers to ban Shadow?

I thought he was all about a site without moderation.

Yes, such abuse he's receiving from Delta. Better ban her/him for that. I mean, it's so cruel the way he/she is talking to RedRat.

I don't think he has done anything with Shadow! Shadow's posts are still around! You off all people should know that getting banned means being turned annonymous!

What are you talking about? Where did you read any reference to RedRat having done something with Shadow's posts?

As if I would care.

They're nothing but Garbage.

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BUSTED!

Read your own writing you MORON! You are the one that stated that the rat banned Shadow, which is just another lie from your part.

Nope. Never stated that. Quote your source.

Delta
12-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Are you that deluded that you will even deny what is written in front of you?

rainfall
05-28-2008, 08:25 PM
We've all been tracked probably from day one when we started getting on the computer. I sure there is some kind of list for those who fit a certian profile. The conpiracy thinkers and the like. You know the gov.' wants to know who is against them. Who in the usa and abroad is a rebel not a follower. All they like are the zombie sleeping sheeple who bow to them and the workaholic tax paying social security numbered indiviuals. If you go against anything they say and not with them, they believe your nothing but trouble and harder to control. :rolleyes:

BlueAngel
05-28-2008, 09:30 PM
And, we really don't care if they're tracking and profiling us now, do we?

Shadow
05-29-2008, 09:34 AM
Data Vipers are here to stay!

redrat11
06-05-2008, 12:00 PM
they've been doing that for 10 years at least.

Do you Write Like A Terrorist? - Gold & Silver Forum (http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=184158)


US MARTIAL LAW CLASSIFIED PLANS. - Gold & Silver Forum (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=266828)

Is Dark Web Following You? - Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=115621)

YET AGAIN, I'm proven correct!

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ARE YOU ON THE LIST? The federal government has been developing a highly classified plan that will override the Constitution in the event of a major terrorist attack (Photo: Illustration by Brett Ryder)
In the spring of 2007, a retired senior official in the U.S. Justice Department sat before Congress and told a story so odd and ominous, it could have sprung from the pages of a pulp political thriller. It was about a principled bureaucrat struggling to protect his country from a highly classified program with sinister implications. Rife with high drama, it included a car chase through the streets of Washington, D.C., and a tense meeting at the White House, where the president's henchmen made the bureaucrat so nervous that he demanded a neutral witness be present.

The bureaucrat was James Comey, John Ashcroft's second-in-command at the Department of Justice during Bush's first term. Comey had been a loyal political foot soldier of the Republican Party for many years. Yet in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, he described how he had grown increasingly uneasy reviewing the Bush administration's various domestic surveillance and spying programs. Much of his testimony centered on an operation so clandestine he wasn't allowed to name it or even describe what it did. He did say, however, that he and Ashcroft had discussed the program in March 2004, trying to decide whether it was legal under federal statutes. Shortly before the certification deadline, Ashcroft fell ill with pancreatitis, making Comey acting attorney general, and Comey opted not to certify the program. When he communicated his decision to the White House, Bush's men told him, in so many words, to take his concerns and stuff them in an undisclosed location.

The Continuity of Governance program encompasses national emergency plans that would trigger the takeover of the country by extra-constitutional forces. In short, it's a road map for martial lawComey refused to knuckle under, and the dispute came to a head on the cold night of March 10, 2004, hours before the program's authorization was to expire. At the time, Ashcroft was in intensive care at George Washington Hospital following emergency surgery. Apparently, at the behest of President Bush himself, the White House tried, in Comey's words, "to take advantage of a very sick man," sending Chief of Staff Andrew Card and then–White House counsel Alberto Gonzales on a mission to Ashcroft's sickroom to persuade the heavily doped attorney general to override his deputy. Apprised of their mission, Comey, accompanied by a full security detail, jumped in his car, raced through the streets of the capital, lights blazing, and "literally ran" up the hospital stairs to beat them there.

Minutes later, Gonzales and Card arrived with an envelope filled with the requisite forms. Ashcroft, even in his stupor, did not fall for their heavy-handed ploy. "I'm not the attorney general," Ashcroft told Bush's men. "There"—he pointed weakly to Comey—"is the attorney general." Gonzales and Card were furious, departing without even acknowledging Comey's presence in the room. The following day, the classified domestic spying program that Comey found so disturbing went forward at the demand of the White House—"without a signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality," he testified.

What was the mysterious program that had so alarmed Comey? Political blogs buzzed for weeks with speculation. Though Comey testified that the program was subsequently readjusted to satisfy his concerns, one can't help wondering whether the unspecified alteration would satisfy constitutional experts, or even average citizens. Faced with push-back from his bosses at the White House, did he simply relent and accept a token concession? Two months after Comey's testimony to Congress, the New York Times reported a tantalizing detail: The program that prompted him "to threaten resignation involved computer searches through massive electronic databases." The larger mystery remained intact, however. "It is not known precisely why searching the databases, or data mining, raised such a furious legal debate," the article conceded.



ONE NATION, UNDER SURVEILLANCE James Comey testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee (Photo: Getty Images) Another clue came from a rather unexpected source: President Bush himself. Addressing the nation from the Oval Office in 2005 after the first disclosures of the NSA's warrantless electronic surveillance became public, Bush insisted that the spying program in question was reviewed "every 45 days" as part of planning to assess threats to "the continuity of our government."

Few Americans—professional journalists included—know anything about so-called Continuity of Government (COG) programs, so it's no surprise that the president's passing reference received almost no attention. COG resides in a nebulous legal realm, encompassing national emergency plans that would trigger the takeover of the country by extra-constitutional forces—and effectively suspend the republic. In short, it's a road map for martial law.

While Comey, who left the Department of Justice in 2005, has steadfastly refused to comment further on the matter, a number of former government employees and intelligence sources with independent knowledge of domestic surveillance operations claim the program that caused the flap between Comey and the White House was related to a database of Americans who might be considered potential threats in the event of a national emergency. Sources familiar with the program say that the government's data gathering has been overzealous and probably conducted in violation of federal law and the protection from unreasonable search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.

According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.



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Christopher Ketcham writes for Harper's, GQ, and Mother Jones, among other publications. He splits his time between Utah and Brooklyn, NY.


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DESPERATE TIMES Should another 9/11 occur, Continuity of Governance plans developed during the Cold War go into effect (Photo: Getty Images) Of course, federal law is somewhat vague as to what might constitute a "national emergency." Executive orders issued over the past three decades define it as a "natural disaster, military attack, [or] technological or other emergency," while Department of Defense documents include eventualities like "riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, [and] disorder prejudicial to public law and order." According to one news report, even "national opposition to U.S. military invasion abroad" could be a trigger.

Let's imagine a harrowing scenario: coordinated bombings in several American cities culminating in a major blast—say, a suitcase nuke—in New York City. Thousands of civilians are dead. Commerce is paralyzed. A state of emergency is declared by the president. Continuity of Governance plans that were developed during the Cold War and aggressively revised since 9/11 go into effect. Surviving government officials are shuttled to protected underground complexes carved into the hills of Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Power shifts to a "parallel government" that consists of scores of secretly preselected officials. (As far back as the 1980s, Donald Rumsfeld, then CEO of a pharmaceutical company, and Dick Cheney, then a congressman from Wyoming, were slated to step into key positions during a declared emergency.) The executive branch is the sole and absolute seat of authority, with Congress and the judiciary relegated to advisory roles at best. The country becomes, within a matter of hours, a police state.

In case of a wide-scale attack, the executive branch becomes the sole and absolute seat of authority. The country becomes, within a matter of hours, a police stateInterestingly, plans drawn up during the Reagan administration suggest this parallel government would be ruling under authority given by law to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, home of the same hapless bunch that recently proved themselves unable to distribute water to desperate hurricane victims. The agency's incompetence in tackling natural disasters is less surprising when one considers that, since its inception in the 1970s, much of its focus has been on planning for the survival of the federal government in the wake of a decapitating nuclear strike.

Under law, during a national emergency, FEMA and its parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security, would be empowered to seize private and public property, all forms of transport, and all food supplies. The agency could dispatch military commanders to run state and local governments, and it could order the arrest of citizens without a warrant, holding them without trial for as long as the acting government deems necessary. From the comfortable perspective of peaceful times, such behavior by the government may seem far-fetched. But it was not so very long ago that FDR ordered 120,000 Japanese Americans—everyone from infants to the elderly—be held in detention camps for the duration of World War II. This is widely regarded as a shameful moment in U.S. history, a lesson learned. But a long trail of federal documents indicates that the possibility of large-scale detention has never quite been abandoned by federal authorities. Around the time of the 1968 race riots, for instance, a paper drawn up at the U.S. Army War College detailed plans for rounding up millions of "militants" and "American negroes," who were to be held at "assembly centers or relocation camps." In the late 1980s, the Austin American-Statesman and other publications reported the existence of 10 detention camp sites on military facilities nationwide, where hundreds of thousands of people could be held in the event of domestic political upheaval. More such facilities were commissioned in 2006, when Kellogg Brown & Root—then a subsidiary of Halliburton—was handed a $385 million contract to establish "temporary detention and processing capabilities" for the Department of Homeland Security. The contract is short on details, stating only that the facilities would be used for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs." Just what those "new programs" might be is not specified.



(Photo: Getty Images) In the days after our hypothetical terror attack, events might play out like this: With the population gripped by fear and anger, authorities undertake unprecedented actions in the name of public safety. Officials at the Department of Homeland Security begin actively scrutinizing people who—for a tremendously broad set of reasons—have been flagged in Main Core as potential domestic threats. Some of these individuals might receive a letter or a phone call, others a request to register with local authorities. Still others might hear a knock on the door and find police or armed soldiers outside. In some instances, the authorities might just ask a few questions. Other suspects might be arrested and escorted to federal holding facilities, where they could be detained without counsel until the state of emergency is no longer in effect.

It is, of course, appropriate for any government to plan for the worst. But when COG plans are shrouded in extreme secrecy, effectively unregulated by Congress or the courts, and married to an overreaching surveillance state—as seems to be the case with Main Core—even sober observers must weigh whether the protections put in place by the federal government are becoming more dangerous to America than any outside threat.

Another well-informed source—a former military operative regularly briefed by members of the intelligence community—says this particular program has roots going back at least to the 1980s and was set up with help from the Defense Intelligence Agency. He has been told that the program utilizes software that makes predictive judgments of targets' behavior and tracks their circle of associations with "social network analysis" and artificial intelligence modeling tools.

"The more data you have on a particular target, the better [the software] can predict what the target will do, where the target will go, who it will turn to for help," he says. "Main Core is the table of contents for all the illegal information that the U.S. government has [compiled] on specific targets." An intelligence expert who has been briefed by high-level contacts in the Department of Homeland Security confirms that a database of this sort exists, but adds that "it is less a mega-database than a way to search numerous other agency databases at the same time."


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CROWD CONTROL New Yorkers walk home on the afternoon of the September 11 attacks (Photo: Getty Images) A host of publicly disclosed programs, sources say, now supply data to Main Core. Most notable are the NSA domestic surveillance programs, initiated in the wake of 9/11, typically referred to in press reports as "warrantless wiretapping."

In March, a front-page article in the Wall Street Journal shed further light onto the extraordinarily invasive scope of the NSA efforts: According to the Journal, the government can now electronically monitor "huge volumes of records of domestic e-mails and Internet searches, as well as bank transfers, credit card transactions, travel, and telephone records." Authorities employ "sophisticated software programs" to sift through the data, searching for "suspicious patterns." In effect, the program is a mass catalog of the private lives of Americans. And it's notable that the article hints at the possibility of programs like Main Core. "The [NSA] effort also ties into data from an ad-hoc collection of so-called black programs whose existence is undisclosed," the Journal reported, quoting unnamed officials. "Many of the programs in various agencies began years before the 9/11 attacks but have since been given greater reach."

"We're at the edge of a cliff," says Bruce Fein, a top justice official in the Reagan administration. "To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability"The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.

Main Core also allegedly draws on four smaller databases that, in turn, cull from federal, state, and local "intelligence" reports; print and broadcast media; financial records; "commercial databases"; and unidentified "private sector entities." Additional information comes from a database known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, which generates watch lists from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence for use by airlines, law enforcement, and border posts. According to the Washington Post, the Terrorist Identities list has quadrupled in size between 2003 and 2007 to include about 435,000 names. The FBI's Terrorist Screening Center border crossing list, which listed 755,000 persons as of fall 2007, grows by 200,000 names a year. A former NSA officer tells Radar that the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, using an electronic-funds transfer surveillance program, also contributes data to Main Core, as does a Pentagon program that was created in 2002 to monitor antiwar protesters and environmental activists such as Greenpeace.



HERE'S LOOKING AT YOU From your late-night e-mails and travel plans to phone records and financial transactions, the government finds you fascinating—and may consider you a potential enemy of the state (Photo: Illustration by Brett Ryder) If previous FEMA and FBI lists are any indication, the Main Core database includes dissidents and activists of various stripes, political and tax protesters, lawyers and professors, publishers and journalists, gun owners, illegal aliens, foreign nationals, and a great many other harmless, average people.

A veteran CIA intelligence analyst who maintains active high-level clearances and serves as an advisor to the Department of Defense in the field of emerging technology tells Radar that during the 2004 hospital room drama, James Comey expressed concern over how this secret database was being used "to accumulate otherwise private data on non-targeted U.S. citizens for use at a future time." Though not specifically familiar with the name Main Core, he adds, "What was being requested of Comey for legal approval was exactly what a Main Core story would be." A source regularly briefed by people inside the intelligence community adds: "Comey had discovered that President Bush had authorized NSA to use a highly classified and compartmentalized Continuity of Government database on Americans in computerized searches of its domestic intercepts. [Comey] had concluded that the use of that 'Main Core' database compromised the legality of the overall NSA domestic surveillance project."

If Main Core does exist, says Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counterterrorism officer and an outspoken critic of the agency, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is its likely home. "If a master list is being compiled, it would have to be in a place where there are no legal issues"—the CIA and FBI would be restricted by oversight and accountability laws—"so I suspect it is at DHS, which as far as I know operates with no such restraints." Giraldi notes that DHS already maintains a central list of suspected terrorists and has been freely adding people who pose no reasonable threat to domestic security. "It's clear that DHS has the mandate for controlling and owning master lists. The process is not transparent, and the criteria for getting on the list are not clear." Giraldi continues, "I am certain that the content of such a master list [as Main Core] would not be carefully vetted, and there would be many names on it for many reasons—quite likely including the two of us."


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UNDER REAGAN In the 1980s, control of the FBI's "security index" was reportedly transferred to none other than FEMA (Photo: Getty Images) Would Main Core in fact be legal? According to constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who served as associate deputy attorney general under Ronald Reagan, the question of legality is murky: "In the event of a national emergency, the executive branch simply assumes these powers"—the powers to collect domestic intelligence and draw up detention lists, for example—"if Congress doesn't explicitly prohibit it. It's really up to Congress to put these things to rest, and Congress has not done so." Fein adds that it is virtually impossible to contest the legality of these kinds of data collection and spy programs in court "when there are no criminal prosecutions and [there is] no notice to persons on the president's 'enemies list.' That means if Congress remains invertebrate, the law will be whatever the president says it is—even in secret. He will be the judge on his own powers and invariably rule in his own favor."

Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon's enemies list or Senator Joe McCarthy's blacklist look downright crudeThe veteran CIA intelligence analyst notes that Comey's suggestion that the offending elements of the program were dropped could be misleading: "Bush [may have gone ahead and] signed it as a National Intelligence Finding anyway."

But even if we never face a national emergency, the mere existence of the database is a matter of concern. "The capacity for future use of this information against the American people is so great as to be virtually unfathomable," the senior government official says.
In any case, mass watch lists of domestic citizens may do nothing to make us safer from terrorism. Jeff Jonas, chief scientist at IBM, a world-renowned expert in data mining, contends that such efforts won't prevent terrorist conspiracies. "Because there is so little historical terrorist event data," Jonas tells Radar, "there is not enough volume to create precise predictions."

The overzealous compilation of a domestic watch list is not unique in postwar American history. In 1950, the FBI, under the notoriously paranoid J. Edgar Hoover, began to "accumulate the names, identities, and activities" of suspect American citizens in a rapidly expanding "security index," according to declassified documents. In a letter to the Truman White House, Hoover stated that in the event of certain emergency situations, suspect individuals would be held in detention camps overseen by "the National Military Establishment." By 1960, a congressional investigation later revealed, the FBI list of suspicious persons included "professors, teachers, and educators; labor-union organizers and leaders; writers, lecturers, newsmen, and others in the mass-media field; lawyers, doctors, and scientists; other potentially influential persons on a local or national level; [and] individuals who could potentially furnish financial or material aid" to unnamed "subversive elements." This same FBI "security index" was allegedly maintained and updated into the 1980s, when it was reportedly transferred to the control of none other than FEMA (though the FBI denied this at the time).

FEMA, however—then known as the Federal Preparedness Agency—already had its own domestic surveillance system in place, according to a 1975 investigation by Senator John V. Tunney of California. Tunney, the son of heavyweight boxing champion Gene Tunney and the inspiration for Robert Redford's character in the film The Candidate, found that the agency maintained electronic dossiers on at least 100,000 Americans that contained information gleaned from wide-ranging computerized surveillance. The database was located in the agency's secret underground city at Mount Weather, near the town of Bluemont, Virginia. The senator's findings were confirmed in a 1976 investigation by the Progressive magazine, which found that the Mount Weather computers "can obtain millions of pieces [of] information on the personal lives of American citizens by tapping the data stored at any of the 96 Federal Relocation Centers"—a reference to other classified facilities. According to the Progressive, Mount Weather's databases were run "without any set of stated rules or regulations. Its surveillance program remains secret even from the leaders of the House and the Senate."



JUST IN CASE The Miami Herald contended that Reagan loyalist Oliver North had spearheaded the development of a "secret contingency plan" (Photo: Getty Images) Ten years later, a new round of government martial law plans came to light. A report in the Miami Herald contended that Reagan loyalist and Iran-Contra conspirator Colonel Oliver North had spearheaded the development of a "secret contingency plan,"—code-named REX 84—which called "for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, [and the] appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments." The North plan also reportedly called for the detention of upwards of 400,000 illegal aliens and an undisclosed number of American citizens in at least 10 military facilities maintained as potential holding camps.

North's program was so sensitive in nature that when Texas congressman Jack Brooks attempted to question North about it during the 1987 Iran-Contra hearings, he was rebuffed even by his fellow legislators. "I read in Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan by that same agency [FEMA] that would suspend the American Constitution," Brooks said. "I was deeply concerned about that and wondered if that was the area in which he [North] had worked." Senator Daniel Inouye, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Iran, immediately cut off his colleague, saying, "That question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area, so may I request that you not touch upon that, sir." Though Brooks pushed for an answer, the line of questioning was not allowed to proceed.

Wired magazine turned up additional damaging information, revealing in 1993 that North, operating from a secure White House site, allegedly employed a software database program called PROMIS (ostensibly as part of the REX 84 plan). PROMIS, which has a strange and controversial history, was designed to track individuals—prisoners, for example—by pulling together information from disparate databases into a single record. According to Wired, "Using the computers in his command center, North tracked dissidents and potential troublemakers within the United States. Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon's enemies list or Senator Joe McCarthy's blacklist look downright crude." Sources have suggested to Radar that government databases tracking Americans today, including Main Core, could still have PROMIS-based legacy code from the days when North was running his programs.

In the wake of 9/11, domestic surveillance programs of all sorts expanded dramatically. As one well-placed source in the intelligence community puts it, "The gloves seemed to come off." What is not yet clear is what sort of still-undisclosed programs may have been authorized by the Bush White House. Marty Lederman, a high-level official at the Department of Justice under Clinton, writing on a law blog last year, wondered, "How extreme were the programs they implemented [after 9/11]? How egregious was the lawbreaking?" Congress has tried, and mostly failed, to find out.


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HISTORY'S LESSONS Japanese Americans moved to internment camps in World War II In July 2007 and again last August, Representative Peter DeFazio, a Democrat from Oregon and a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee, sought access to the "classified annexes" of the Bush administration's Continuity of Government program. DeFazio's interest was prompted by Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20 (also known as NSPD-51), issued in May 2007, which reserves for the executive branch the sole authority to decide what constitutes a national emergency and to determine when the emergency is over. DeFazio found this unnerving.

But he and other leaders of the Homeland Security Committee, including Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, were denied a review of the Continuity of Government classified annexes. To this day, their calls for disclosure have been ignored by the White House. In a press release issued last August, DeFazio went public with his concerns that the NSPD-51 Continuity of Government plans are "extra-constitutional or unconstitutional." Around the same time, he told the Oregonian: "Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right."

None of the leading presidential candidates have been asked the question, "As president, will you continue aggressive domestic surveillance programs in the vein of the Bush administration?"Congress itself has recently widened the path for both extra-constitutional detentions by the White House and the domestic use of military force during a national emergency. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 effectively suspended habeas corpus and freed up the executive branch to designate any American citizen an "enemy combatant" forfeiting all privileges accorded under the Bill of Rights. The John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, also passed in 2006, included a last-minute rider titled "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," which allowed the deployment of U.S. military units not just to put down domestic insurrections—as permitted under posse comitatus and the Insurrection Act of 1807—but also to deal with a wide range of calamities, including "natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or incident."

More troubling, in 2002, Congress authorized funding for the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, which, according to Washington Post military intelligence expert William Arkin, "allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."

"We are at the edge of a cliff and we're about to fall off," says constitutional lawyer and former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein. "To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability. There's no doubt that Congress would have the authority to denounce all this—for example, to refuse to appropriate money for the preparation of a list of U.S. citizens to be detained in the event of martial law. But Congress is the invertebrate branch. They say, 'We have to be cautious.' The same old crap you associate with cowards. None of this will change under a Democratic administration, unless you have exceptional statesmanship and the courage to stand up and say, 'You know, democracies accept certain risks that tyrannies do not.'"



CREDIBLE WITNESS James Comey (Photo: Getty Images) As of this writing, DeFazio, Thompson, and the other 433 members of the House are debating the so-called Protect America Act, after a similar bill passed in the Senate. Despite its name, the act offers no protection for U.S. citizens; instead, it would immunize from litigation U.S. telecom giants for colluding with the government in the surveillance of Americans to feed the hungry maw of databases like Main Core. The Protect America Act would legalize programs that appear to be unconstitutional.

Meanwhile, the mystery of James Comey's testimony has disappeared in the morass of election year coverage. None of the leading presidential candidates have been asked the questions that are so profoundly pertinent to the future of the country: As president, will you continue aggressive domestic surveillance programs in the vein of the Bush administration? Will you release the COG blueprints that Representatives DeFazio and Thompson were not allowed to read? What does it suggest about the state of the nation that the U.S. is now ranked by worldwide civil liberties groups as an "endemic surveillance society," alongside repressive regimes such as China and Russia? How can a democracy thrive with a massive apparatus of spying technology deployed against every act of political expression, private or public? (Radar put these questions to spokespeople for the McCain, Obama, and Clinton campaigns, but at press time had yet to receive any responses.)

These days, it's rare to hear a voice like that of Senator Frank Church, who in the 1970s led the explosive investigations into U.S. domestic intelligence crimes that prompted the very reforms now being eroded. "The technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny," Church pointed out in 1975. "And there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know."


UPDATE: Since this article went to press, several documents have emerged to suggest the story has longer legs than we thought. Most troubling among these is an October 2001 Justice Department memo that detailed the extra-constitutional powers the U.S. military might invoke during domestic operations following a terrorist attack. In the memo, John Yoo, then deputy assistant attorney general, "concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations." (Yoo, as most readers know, is author of the infamous Torture Memo that, in bizarro fashion, rejiggers the definition of "legal" torture to allow pretty much anything short of murder.) In the October 2001 memo, Yoo refers to a classified DOJ document titled "Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States." According to the Associated Press, "Exactly what domestic military action was covered by the October memo is unclear. But federal documents indicate that the memo relates to the National Security Agency's Terrorist Surveillance Program." Attorney General John Mukasey last month refused to clarify before Congress whether the Yoo memo was still in force.

Meanwhile, congressional sources tell Radar that Congressman Peter DeFazio has apparently abandoned his effort to get to the bottom of the White House COG classified annexes. Penny Dodge, DeFazio's chief of staff, says otherwise. "We will be sending a letter requesting a classified briefing soon," she told Radar this week.

lost in space
06-16-2008, 11:39 PM
Dam You R Brave. And You Make Alotta Sense Also. Im Glad Their Are People Out There Like Myself. Im New To This Forum Stuff So I May Sound A Lil Strange.like I Dont Know The Short Hand Stuff Like Lol.i Know What That Means But Ive Seen All Kinds Of Letters Shit .i Guess Ill Learn Them Too, Great Post

WonkTheDog
06-18-2008, 02:51 PM
tl;dr

FACT: You are caught on CCTV at least 300 times every day.

TheTruthIsInHere
06-18-2008, 04:26 PM
I know a group of fellow truth seekers in my local area, but I try not to associate with them, as far as is possible (a couple of them work in the same office as me, but I try to keep any conversation with them strictly work/casual) because they're definitely being monitored. On the one occasion on which I talked to them since realising this, we all agreed that I should keep my distance (they've decided to keep working together though, and I have to respect them for their commitment. Then again, I guess they're all linked in this now anyway).

When I explained my suspicions, they confided in me that they had been even more careful than usual about what they said over the phone recently, because they were absolutely sure that the line was tapped. Further, whilst there have never been any direct intrusions (as far as they know) like bugs being planted in their homes or direct confrontation, several members of the group have observed suspicious individuals who "happened" to be in their vicinity when they walked through town, on multiple occasions. I myself saw this just once, but the members can, fairly confidently, count roughly 30 such occurrences spaced over about 2 months (it tailed off over a couple of weeks though, and they haven't seen any of these people since. Not sure what to make of that).

I just wish I knew exactly why they were being followed, and by who- they refused to tell me anything about what exactly they were researching at the time, but I have to assume they found something out. But then again, they're not being followed anymore, so maybe not. If anyone has any ideas, please share.

WonkTheDog
06-19-2008, 04:28 AM
FACT: TheTruthIsInHere is

ice
07-02-2008, 02:39 PM
we get the bleeps on the phones here in the uk all the time .

when we switch on our computers , sometimes the tv shows a very short , very very short image of a screen saver !
sometimes , when i talk to banks or busniesses , like , british telecome , or the local councils , sometimes i swear i here voices in one place , that sound exactly the same in another . sometimes , when i here these poepes voices on the phone , ie those i talk too at the other end , i can tell they are not who they say they are because the converstaion always ends with ;

ok can we phone you back
or
we will look into it etc

these answeres before i go means , that they think i will put down the phone and be happy with what im told. so smetimes i then phone from my mobile , and sometimes , they indicate they have no record of my contact etc .

yes indeed , we are all being monitored .

5 years ago the chinese developed a special machine to tackle phedophiliar crimes .
this machine , like any scanner , could pick up anything with a VDU .
cameras , tvs , mobile phones , computer screens .

yes , they have the technology alright !

mangaman
07-06-2008, 04:58 PM
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