View Full Version : The Illuminati: Keeping it all in the Family; OBAMA AND CHENEY ARE DISTANT COUSINS

10-16-2007, 05:34 PM

11-28-2007, 06:09 PM
Bloodlines are all important for the illuminati. John Kerry and George Bush are third degree cousins. They are also related to the house of windsor. The house of windsor are relatives of the former kaizer of germany and the former tsar of russia. One big happy family.

Out of the Box
07-28-2008, 06:47 AM
If you go back far enough in the past, you'll probably find blood ties between almost all elite families. I wouldn't regard these blood ties as proof of anything.

Out of the Box
07-28-2008, 11:47 AM
I would.


Out of the Box
07-28-2008, 04:50 PM
This is how they keep wealth and power amongst themselves.

Staying within the family is indeed a means to keep wealth and power amongst themselves, but remote family connections hardly imply a conspiracy.

Out of the Box
07-29-2008, 03:11 AM
I don't recall that anyone professed it to be a conspiracy.

Or nepotism. Whatever.

You can't even distinguish national-socialism, fascism and socialism so don't you start semantics on me now.....

Out of the Box
07-29-2008, 06:06 AM
Yes, we can distinguish them, but as I said they basically have the same principles.

No, they don't. Differences between eg. communism and national-socialism are quite significant.

Besides... you seem to imply that only the most limited form of government is a good form of government. This is a typical libertarian fallacy. Very limited governments tend to lead to an economical variation on social darwinism which in turn leads to the most extreme sort of exploitation imaginable.

Out of the Box
07-29-2008, 06:23 AM
In that thread, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian governments were alike.

You brought up socialism, etc.

No, I didn't. I mentioned national-socialism, which is the neutral term for nazism. National-socialism == nazism and Hitler's party was called the National-Socialist German Worker's Party.

I did not imply that a limited form of government is a good government.

Then what type of government do you prefer?

As I said, and I'll repeat, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian government were alike.

Hardly. The most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations. Fascism and national-socialism (nazism) are alike, but they nevertheless differ on key issues.

Out of the Box
07-29-2008, 08:46 AM
Yes, you brought up national socialism, for the record.

As we see, national-socialism is equivalent to Nazism; Nazism is equivalent to fascism; fascism is equivalent to a totalitarian government.

As I said.

One one hand you claim we live in an Illuminati-controlled society and on the other hand you use very simplistic mainstream definitions (definitions accepted and used by our political leaders) to desribe political ideologies. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?

- Nazism === national-socialism
- Nazism =/= fascism, although both are similar
- Totalitarianism is completely unrelated to both. As I said : the most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations.

Out of the Box
07-30-2008, 04:25 AM
I don't use simplistic mainstream definitions to describe political ideologies.

Those are the definitions.

Those are the definitions used by the NWO and other enemies of national-socialism and fascism and far from objective definitions.

Would you consider an anti-communist's definition of communism to be a suitable definition? Would you consider an anti-libertarian definition of libertarianism to be a suitable definition?

David Myatt describes national-socialism like this :

National-Socialism believes there are two fundamental ways of living, and thus two fundamental types of society based upon these two ways. There is the material way of living, with individuals striving for, or pursuing, "happiness", material comfort and wealth. Then there is the way of excellence, of idealism (or nobility) with individuals striving for an idealistic goal. National-Socialism believes the material way is decadent - a waste of our lives, a waste of the evolutionary potential which we possess.

Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that the life of an individual is better, more fulfilling, if the idealistic goal that is pursued is in accord with the will of Nature. That is, if this idealistic goal aids Nature, and continues the evolutionary work of Nature. This stems from the National-Socialist assertion that we, as human beings, are part of Nature, and subject to the laws of Nature. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions assert that we, as human beings, are somehow "above", different or separate from, Nature and her laws.

One of the fundamental aims of National-Socialism is to continue the work of Nature by creating better, more advanced, individuals and by creating a better, more advanced, more civilized society for these individuals to live and flourish in. National-Socialism believes that better individuals can only be created through the pursuit of noble values - by individuals changing themselves for the better through a personal act of will. This requires individuals, and society itself, to champion and uphold those values which create personal excellence, which aid the individual change necessary. According to National-Socialism, these values are honour, loyalty and duty - for only these values create the right type of idealistic person, someone with a purity of purpose. It is these values, and these values alone, which create a civilized individual. A civilized person is a more evolved individual - someone with a higher, a noble, personal character. Further, it is the duty of each noble individual to act in accord with the workings, the will, of Nature herself.

According to National-Socialism, the folk - or "race" - is how Nature works. For National-Socialism, the folk is Nature made manifest; the folk is our connection to Nature. The different folks which exist among our human species are an expression of evolution in action - of Nature working over Aeons to produce diversity and difference. Thus, the folk is an expression of our very humanity - of our human identity.

Accordingly, National-Socialism desires to preserve and further evolve, in an honourable way, the folk itself. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions desire to destroy the folk through creating multi-racial, multi-cultural societies.

However, it needs to be stressed that National-Socialism - being based upon honour - demands that all National-Socialists treat all people, of whatever race and culture, with respect. To do otherwise, is contrary to the ethics of National-Socialism, based as these ethics are upon honour.

For National-Socialism, the fundamental meaning of our lives, as individuals, is to strive to continue the work of Nature. This means striving to advance ourselves through upholding, in our own lives, the civilized values of honour, loyalty and duty; it means us doing our noble and civilized duty by striving to preserve and further evolve our own folk or race, and those things which make our own people unique. These unique things are the ethos, the soul, the character, the culture, of our folk. According to National-Socialism, the ethos, the character of our human species is expressed by honour, curiosity, exploration - these things express the true nature of we human beings. Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that it is the ultimate Destiny of our human species to settle among the stars of our galaxy - to create a Galactic Empire or Federation.

In contrast to the inspiring, the noble, the Galactic - the numinous - goals of National-Socialism, the goals of all other philosophies, political beliefs or religions are mundane, materialistic and a complete waste of our lives.

This is far from the way national-socialism is described by the NWO (as a monstuous totalitarian and genocidal ideology), yet it is completely in line with historical evidence.

An Illuminati controlled society is one of fascism, Nazism (national socialism) and a totalitarian government

An Illuminati controlled society is a totalitarian system that incorporates zionism, fake "democracy", "multi-culturalism", global free trade, commercialised hedonism and perversity, the dumbing down of the masses and mass consumerism. Fascism and national-socialism are the exact oposite of an Illuminati controlled society.

Out of the Box
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
I have already defined Nazism; national-socialism; facism and totalitarian forms of government as being equivalent to one another.

And I already explained why that's wrong. By making this connection, you're doing exactly what the NWO wants you to do.

Fake democracy has been incorporated since the inception of this country.

The US wasn't all too bad for about a century or so. It all went downhill ever since.

Perversity, commercialized hedonism, to name a few, are all by-products of the mind controllers.

They are not forms of government, but ways in which they alter the environment and "condition" the masses toward the loss of morals and, in the process, place them in altered state's of consciousness so they are, therefore, more suggestible and susceptible to that which they see, hear and read.


As far as Zionism, they are a political movement that seeks the same totalitarian government of which I speak.

All one in the same.

Different factions, but basically with the same goal.

Not really. National-socialists and fascists have goals oposite of those of zionists and capitalists.

Out of the Box
08-01-2008, 01:45 AM
I don't do anything that the NWO wants me to do.That's what they want you to believe.Our country has never been a democracy.What is a democracy in your opinion and why does this matter? Do you believe a democracy is necessary?

Out of the Box
08-04-2008, 02:09 AM
Like I said, I don't do anything that the NWO wants me to do and I really do detest referring to this entity as such.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

It would be quite naieve to believe that you are not the slightest bit indoctrinated. It took me years to realise that most of what I was taught to believe was based on lies.

No, democracy isn't necessary.

Freedom is.

Without freedom, there is no democracy.

Define freedom.

Elections are fixed and only those who are a part of the elite are presented to the public to represent us in CONGRESS and the White House.

They, however, do not represent us.

They represent the wants and desires of their masters.

The secret/shadow government.


The Banksters.

They have been corrupted, groomed and bred from a very young age; with bloodlines to the wealthy elitists to serve their masters and their master's agenda and that agenda is not an agenda that is in the best interest of the citizen's of this country.

We do not live in a democracy.

This is a fallacy.

We have been brainwashed to believe that our politicians work for us.


There's no need in telling the obvious. I'm sure most folks on this forum have figured that out years ago.

Out of the Box
08-06-2008, 02:07 AM
Excuse me, but I'm neither enslaved nor do I falsely believe I am free. I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am, and, therefore, you FALSELY believe you can make statements about me that are untrue.

You believe your mind is free, but it is not.

Excuse me, again, but because it took you years to realize that most of what you were taught was based on lies, doesn't mean this applies to everyone else.

Indeed, it doesn't. Most people remain largely indoctrinated. At most, they just replace one belief system by another one.

Excuse me for the third time, but you asked for my opinion regarding FREEDOM and then tell me there is no need to state the obvious.

The definition of the word "freedom" is not obvious. I know for sure that what you regard as freedom sounds like tyranny to me and vice versa.

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 04:57 AM
This poster has the audacity to tell me that I believe my mind is free, but it is not. I assume he would tell us that his mind is free, no doubt.

I used to be brainwashed like everyone else and I'll probably never be certain I'm entirely deprogrammed. Nevertheless, I've definitely gone through far more deprogramming than most people.

He also has the audacity to state that he KNOWS FOR SURE that what I regard as freedom sounds like tyranny to him and vice versa.

I judged based on what you said about tyranny and freedom in other posts.

Here is an example of a posting when I receive the message that the "message is too short."

As you see, my comments are all contained within the quote and the system doesn't recognize that I've responded, I guess, unless I comment outside of the quote/underneath.

You should cut up the quotes like I do and then reply underneath. It's easier to read and won't give you the "message is too short" message.

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 09:19 AM
Instructions, please.

A quote starts with [ quote=BlueAngel;51320 ] (without the spaces) and ends with [ /quote ]. Just change [ quote=BlueAngel;51320 ] quote1 reply1 quote2 reply2 [ /quote ] to [ quote=BlueAngel;51320 ] quote1 [ /quote ] reply1 [ quote=BlueAngel;51320 ] quote2 [ /quote ] reply2.

A little bit of IT knowledge can make life a lot easier ;)

Oh, and your judgement of me would be wrong.

Maybe. Maybe not ;)

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 01:27 PM
Sometimes, technology makes our lives a whole lot more complicated and time consuming with or without IT knowledge as demonstrated in your instructions.

Technology can be both a blessing and a curse. It's all a matter of who uses it and how it is used.