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roscoe
10-21-2007, 11:40 PM
IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME THAT IN THE LAST FEW HOURS, ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT FIRES HAVE STARTED ALL OVER SOUTHERN KALI. HERE AT LAX THE WINDS ARE 190 @5MPH-NOT BAD BUT IN SOME AREAS EVEN AT THIS TIME OF EVE THE WINDS ARE UP NEAR 40. NORMAL WEATHER PATTERN IS NOT TO RETURN UNTIL WED.

HOW DID ALL THESE FIRES START AT THE SAME TIME??

BlueAngel
10-22-2007, 08:27 AM
"There are ROPES hanging from the trees."

NOOSES!

"Tonight I'm going to go out and BURN THIS TOWN DOWN"

California fires.

Is there a connection?

Could be, if you are mind controlled and act upon suggestion.

BlueAngel
10-22-2007, 09:22 AM
Gypsy Biker by Springsteen with the line:

"We set the ravine on fire."

Another line from the song MAGIC:

"I've got my shiny saw blade and I'll cut you in half."

Is this another possibility?

I certainly hope not.

BlueAngel
10-22-2007, 04:58 PM
MORE THAN A DOZEN BLAZES ERUPTED OVER THE WEEKEND.

Santa Ana winds usually last a day; however, the current winds that began on the weekend are expected to last until Tuesday.

Calif. fires displace more than 250,000
By ALLISON HOFFMAN and GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writers
3 minutes ago
October 22. 2007

SAN DIEGO - Wildfires fanned by fierce desert winds consumed huge swaths of bone-dry Southern California on Monday, burning dozens of buildings and threatening hundreds more from Malibu to San Diego, including a jail, a hospital and nursing homes.

More than a dozen wildfires had engulfed the region, killing at least one person, injuring dozens more and forcing hundreds of thousands of evacuations. Overwhelmed firefighters said they lacked the resources to protect property.

"We have more houses burning than we have people and engine companies to fight them," San Diego Fire Captain Lisa Blake said. "A lot of people are going to lose their homes today."

Nearly 250,000 people were forced to flee in San Diego County alone, where hundreds of patients were being moved by school bus and ambulance from a hospital and nursing homes, sheriff's spokeswoman Susan Knauss said.

About a dozen blazes erupted over the weekend, feeding on drought-parched land from the high desert to the Pacific Ocean. One person was killed and several injured in a fire near the Mexican border, and dozens of structures have burned across the region.

Warm temperatures and strong winds created "dramatically worse" conditions overnight as flames shot 200 feet high, said Bill Metcalf, chief of the North County Fire Protection District.

In Orange County, a 1,049-inmate jail was being evacuated because of heavy smoke, sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said. Inmates were being bused to another facility in Irvine.

All San Diego Police Department officers and off duty detectives were ordered to return to work to help with evacuations.

The fires have burned about 100,000 acres, or 156 square miles, in San Diego County, said county Supervisor Ron Roberts. Across the region, 40,000 acres, or 62 square miles, had burned by Sunday.

"This is a major emergency," Roberts said.

In many cases, crews couldn't begin to fight the fires because they were too busy rescuing residents who refused to leave, fire officials said.

"They didn't evacuate at all, or delayed until it was too late," Metcalf said. "And those folks who are making those decisions are actually stripping fire resources."

Among those who wouldn't leave was Ken Morris, who stayed at his rural San Diego County home to rescue his horses.

"I heard the cops come by and I just ducked," he said. "I had a beer and waited it out."

Christine Baird, 42, was ordered to evacuate her apartment at 5:30 a.m. in San Diego's densely populated Rancho Bernardo area. She and her husband moved there in February from Ottawa, Canada.

"Instead of snow we had ash all over the car," she said. "This is all new for me. We've got no family in the area, so there's really nowhere else to go."

More than a dozen people were being treated at the UC San Diego Medical Center Regional Burn Center for burns and smoke inhalation, including four fighters — three in critical condition, officials said. Some of the injured were hikers, and others may be illegal immigrants.

One blaze in northern San Diego County and forced the evacuation of the community of Ramona, which has about 36,000 people.

"The winds are up, it's very, very dangerous conditions," San Diego County spokeswoman Lesley Kirk said. "Fires are popping up all over the place."

Guardsmen assigned to the border were forced to evacuate one of their barracks and troops were aiding evacuations, said Col. David Baldwin, director of operations for the California National Guard.

"The border is still secure, but agents are evacuating the threatened areas and the Guard is supporting that operation," Baldwin said.

Qualcomm Stadium, home to the NFL's Chargers, was added to a growing list of evacuation centers.

In Saugus, north of Los Angeles, about 120 people spent the night on cots in the gymnasium of Saugus High School, principal Bill Bolde said.

Michele Beard fled her home with her husband, mother-in-law and three older children.

"It just lit up the whole mountainside fiery red," said Beard, 48. "I had never seen anything like that so close before."

The fires were being fueled by stronger than usual Santa Ana winds roaring out of the region's canyons, scientists said Monday. The powerful, dry winds typically blow between October and February and peak in December.

Typically, Santa Ana conditions last about a day, but the ones that flared up over the weekend were expected to last through Tuesday.

"For it to be this strong for so many days is unusual," said Stuart Seto, a weather specialist with the National Weather Service in Oxnard.

The fire in Malibu had destroyed or damaged at least 16 structures, among them a church, homes and a historic castle, and was expected to burn for another two to three days, Los Angeles County Fire Chief P. Michael Freeman said. "There will literally be thousands of homes that will be threatened" until the blaze is out, he said.

redrat11
10-22-2007, 06:28 PM
WT Heck is going on there? WOW!

BlueAngel
10-22-2007, 06:45 PM
Fires.

redrat11
10-22-2007, 07:23 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Fires.


Evertime there is the Santa Ana winds, the Arsonist have a field day, If not them, then the idiots who toss there cigarette buds out the window.

redrat11
10-23-2007, 07:12 AM
Californians better PRAY that a 7 or 8 earthquake does'nt occur.

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 09:28 AM
Suddenly. Supply goes down. Demand goes up. It will certainly come in as a blessing for the struggling (new construction) housing market in the near vicinity.

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 07:04 PM
<img src="http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/firesatelliteg_468x421.jpg" height=600 width=600>
<a href="http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/firesatelliteg_468x421.jpg" target="_blank">Satellite Photo of California Fires</a>

This photo shows that the fires a pretty widely spread apart, for them to be all related to some original fire & spread by wind. The fires are spread over a great portion of the state, from North to South, whereas the winds are blowing west for the entire region.

redrat11
10-25-2007, 06:22 AM
Jimbo wrote:
<img src="http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/firesatelliteg_468x421.jpg" height=600 width=600>
<a href="http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/firesatelliteg_468x421.jpg" target="_blank">Satellite Photo of California Fires</a>

This photo shows that the fires a pretty widely spread apart, for them to be all related to some original fire & spread by wind. The fires are spread over a great portion of the state, from North to South, whereas the winds are blowing west for the entire region.


Arsonist...


Arsonist Fires (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arson25oct25,0,1196901.story?coll=la-home-center)

George_Bush
10-25-2007, 11:23 AM
I find it somewhat interesting that several states have now adopted what is dubbed the 'Arson Ban.'

The Arson Ban usually goes into effect when the National Weather Service predicts weather conditions to be very probable for fires.

During these times, it is highly dangerous to both burn trash or to commit arson.

This is opposed to other days when weather conditions are of a higher relative humidity and one may safely engage in one's regularly scheduled burning and/or random acts of arson.

http://www.bbspot.com/Images/BBloopers/2006/arsonban.jpg

Jimbo
10-25-2007, 04:12 PM
California Fires - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" height=600 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 01 - Oct 2007</a>

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" height=300 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 02 - Oct 2007</a>

California Fires - Oct 2007

Look at the straight line behind all of the fires (towards the right),… It looks more like the result of a "laser beam" from an orbiting satellite than the job of an "arsonist". But then again, this is just speculating & for the sake of research into the “What the hell started these massive fires? And Why?”. Remember the recent ones in the ancient city of Olympia, Greece.

NOTE: If you "quote", for the photos to show, you need to "check" the "Enable HTML Tags" option below the "edit text box" area.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

redrat11
10-25-2007, 09:07 PM
Jimbo wrote:
California Fires - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" height=600 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 01 - Oct 2007</a>

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" height=300 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 02 - Oct 2007</a>

California Fires - Oct 2007

Look at the straight line behind all of the fires (towards the right),… It looks more like the result of a "laser beam" from an orbiting satellite than the job of an "arsonist". But then again, this is just speculating & for the sake of research into the “What the hell started these massive fires? And Why?”. Remember the recent ones in the ancient city of Olympia, Greece.

NOTE: If you "quote", for the photos to show, you need to "check" the "Enable HTML Tags" option below the "edit text box" area.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Are you reffering to the Border line Jimbo, that straight line is the Border with Mexico, Or do you mean something else, as far as a straight line?

the fires seem to be scattered across the southern california area, they could have been started by satellite laser beams, it's possible, maybe the government is practising for a another MAGOR EVENT. also there is chatter about Mexican Illegals having a hand with this. Who Knows????

Jimbo
10-25-2007, 09:15 PM
It’s an “imaginary” line. If you connect all of the “dots” where fires originate from, on the right & away from all of the smoke, you should be able to see an “imaginary” straight line. Basically those are the “east-most fires”. If you can see them, they make a perfect “straight” line, running North to South right across the state.

BlueAngel
10-25-2007, 09:52 PM
As Calif. fires burned, copters grounded
By AARON C. DAVIS and MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 26 minutes ago
October 25, 2007

LOS ANGELES - As wildfires were charging across Southern California, nearly two dozen water-dropping helicopters and two massive cargo planes sat idly by, grounded by government rules and bureaucracy.

How much the aircraft would have helped will never be known, but their inability to provide quick assistance raises troubling questions about California's preparations for a fire season that was widely expected to be among the worst on record.

It took as long as a day for Navy, Marine and California National Guard helicopters to get clearance early this week, in part because state rules require all firefighting choppers to be accompanied by state forestry "fire spotters" who coordinate water or retardant drops. By the time those spotters arrived, the powerful Santa Ana winds stoking the fires had made it too dangerous to fly.

The National Guard's C-130 cargo planes, among the most powerful aerial firefighting weapons, never were slated to help. The reason: They've yet to be outfitted with tanks needed to carry thousands of gallons of fire retardant, though that was promised four years ago.

"The weight of bureaucracy kept these planes from flying, not the heavy winds," Republican U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher told The Associated Press. "When you look at what's happened, it's disgusting, inexcusable foot-dragging that's put tens of thousands of people in danger."

Rohrabacher and other members of California's congressional delegation are demanding answers about aircraft deployment. And some fire officials have grumbled that a quicker deployment of aircraft could have helped corral many of the wildfires that quickly flared out of control and have so far burned 500,000 acres from Malibu to the Mexican border.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and other state officials have defended the state's response, saying the intense winds prevented a more timely air attack.

"Anyone that is complaining about the planes just wants to complain," Schwarzenegger replied angrily to a question Wednesday. "The fact is that we could have all the planes in the world here — we have 90 aircraft here and six that we got especially from the federal government — and they can't fly because of the wind."

Indeed, winds reaching 100 mph helped drive the flames and made it exceedingly dangerous to fly. Still, four state helicopters and two from the Navy were able to take off Monday while nearly two dozen others stayed grounded.

Thomas Eversole, executive director of the American Helicopter Services & Aerial Firefighting Association, a Virginia-based nonprofit that serves as a liaison between helicopter contractors and federal agencies, said valuable time was lost.

"The basis for the initial attack helicopters is to get there when the fire is still small enough that you can contain it," Eversole said. "If you don't get there in time, you quickly run the risk of these fires getting out of control."

The first of the 15 or so fires started around midnight Saturday. By Sunday afternoon, fires were raging in Los Angeles, San Diego and Orange counties.

At the request of firefighters on the ground, at 4 p.m. Sunday the state Office of Emergency Services asked the National Guard to supply four helicopters. Under state rules, a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection "spotter" must accompany each military and National Guard helicopter to coordinate water drops.

The spotters have 24 hours to report for duty, and it took nearly all that time for them and the National Guard crews to assemble. By the time they were ready to go, the winds had made it unsafe to fly.

The helicopters finally got off the ground Tuesday.

Mike Padilla, aviation chief for the forestry department, acknowledged the Guard's helicopters were ready to fly before the spotters arrived. He said state officials were surprised.

"Typically we're waiting for them to get crews," Padilla said.

The delay was even longer for Navy and Marine helicopters. They were ready to fly Monday morning but didn't get airborne until Wednesday morning, a period when the acreage that burned quadrupled to more than 250,000 and the number of homes destroyed jumped from 34 to more than 700.

Republican U.S. Rep. Brian Bilbray was among the lawmakers who learned late Tuesday night in a briefing with state officials that 19 military helicopters were not in use because there were no spotters.

Alarmed, he quickly helped broker an agreement to waive the spotter requirement, allowing flights to begin Wednesday.

"We told them, 'You don't want the public to be asking why these units weren't flying while we had houses burning,'" Bilbray told the AP.

The criticism helped prompt the forestry department's director, Ruben Grijalva, to abandon the state's long-standing policy to have a spotter aboard each aircraft and instead let one spotter orchestrate drops for a squadron of three helicopters.

"I directed them to do whatever was necessary to get those other military assets into operation," Grijalva said.

He said he could not explain why more spotters were not deployed before the flames spread to ensure that every aircraft ready to fly could take off.

Padilla said state spotters do training exercises with the Navy and National Guard and are used to working with them on fires. That's not the case with the Marines, so when helicopters from that branch were made available, the state was caught off guard and had no spotters available.

Regardless, he said, safety — not availability of spotters — was the overriding concern in determining when to allow aircraft into the skies.

"I'm not going to risk people's lives for a bunch of vegetation," Padilla said. "We know you have lives and property at stake, but you don't throw away firefighter lives like that."

The C-130 saga is a much different story.

More than a decade ago, Congress ordered replacement of the aging removable tanks for the military planes because of safety concerns and worries that they wouldn't fit with new-model aircraft. California's firefighting C-130 unit is one of four the Pentagon has positioned across the country to respond to fire disasters.

New tanks were designed, but they failed to fit into the latest C-130s. Designers were ordered back to the drawing board. Republican Rep. Elton Gallegly said Congress was assured the new tanks would be ready by 2003.

Four years later, the U.S. Forest Service and Air Force have yet to approve the revised design. Air Force spokeswoman Capt. Paula Kurtz said "technical and design difficulties" have delayed the program.

Rohrabacher and Gallegly are angered by the delay, which has left no C-130s capable of fighting fires on the West Coast. The last of the older-model C-130s with an original tank was retired by the California National Guard last year.

"It's an absolute tragedy, an unacceptable tragedy," Gallegly said.

The situation meant that rather than deploying C-130s from inside the state, Schwarzenegger was forced to ask Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to call in the six remaining older C-130s from other states as far away as North Carolina.

None of them began fighting the fires until Wednesday afternoon.

In the meantime, the state relied mostly on smaller retardant tankers that carry about a third of the C-130's 3,000-gallon capacity.

Gallegly said such firepower was sorely needed earlier.

"I have actually flown in one and pressed the button," he said. "I know what they can do."

(This version corrects congressman's last name, Gallegly, not Gallegy.)

BlueAngel
10-26-2007, 07:46 AM
If the red dots represent the fires, they are not in a straight line.

Jimbo
10-26-2007, 09:03 AM
No, don’t look at the red dots. You are better off looking at the photo that does not have any dots. Then, you look at the smoke, which flows from right-to-left. Ok? Now, if you look at the right-most-portion of the smoke, eventually it stops right were it begins. Now, each bundle or pocket is separate, & away from the next bundle, & they are distributed from top-to-bottom, or north-to-south. Now, if you look at these sections, just where the fires begin, on their right-most-sections, & connected them w/ an "imaginary trace", they pretty much make up a straight-line. Look at the black & white photo. There, it is pretty clearly seen. That’s the best I can do to explain it.

BlueAngel
10-26-2007, 09:19 AM
What is your conclusion about these fires and how they were started according to the "imaginery" straight line?

Jimbo
10-26-2007, 09:41 AM
Well, there is supposedly an article, which I haven’t read that claims that some power-lines fell down & caught on fire. There is another report of some arsonist shot dead by police. Wouldn’t he be of more use to us alive? I would think so. So, these are actual reports justifying, or evidence of possible causes of what started or contributed to these fires. Just like the passports they found in the ruins of 911. Ok, aside from that, if you can picture the straight line, either a plane or flying craft, satellite or whatever, (a Russian UFO for that matter would do), traveling north or south could have dropped anything that could have initiated these fires. Pretty simple, along its flying path. Also, if there is any laser technology available, & I am sure there is got to be some by now, & pretty sophisticated, they could have also been initiated by a laser beam just going up & down, & intermittently turning itself on & off. Of course this is just a plausible theory in the realm of high-tech possibilities. Now, whether that is what really happened or not, “I am not saying that”. I am fat-dumb-&-happy w/ their official-story, if that what anyone wants to believe. Did you read my previous comment in this same thread where I briefly mention about the new construction or housing industry in CA, in general, eventually benefiting from these fires, not to mention the recent slump of the “financial markets”, for which it might eventually provide at least some temporary relief - with the money flow into the system for new home purchases or rents needed to re-house victims from these fires, fix all of the damage, etc. etc.. Well, that is another plausible scenario. Again whether “true or not”, I don’t know. Just speculating. Now, if I was either a “detective” w/ the authority to do so, or an “insurance agent” w/ the authority to do so, I’d look into it right away (foul play), w/o delay…

Jimbo
10-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Sout California Fires - Oct 2007 ??? - :-o :-o :-o

FBI Agents Shoot Dead Arsonist - California Fires Deliberate
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ca_fires_fbi_shoot_arsonist_fires_started_delibera tely.htm

Folly Of Human Development Exposed By SoCal Fires
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3090313.ece

San Diego's Fires Worse Than Katrina
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5202

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
10-26-2007, 08:33 PM
FEMA Scolded for Staging Fake Wildfire News Conference:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=4710758&ch=68276&src=news

redrat11
10-28-2007, 01:48 AM
redrat11 wrote:

Jimbo wrote:
California Fires - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" height=600 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194202main_goes-20071024-516.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 01 - Oct 2007</a>

<img src="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" height=300 width=600>
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg" target="_blank">California Fires 02 - Oct 2007</a>

California Fires - Oct 2007

Look at the straight line behind all of the fires (towards the right),… It looks more like the result of a "laser beam" from an orbiting satellite than the job of an "arsonist". But then again, this is just speculating & for the sake of research into the “What the hell started these massive fires? And Why?”. Remember the recent ones in the ancient city of Olympia, Greece.

NOTE: If you "quote", for the photos to show, you need to "check" the "Enable HTML Tags" option below the "edit text box" area.

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Are you reffering to the Border line Jimbo, that straight line is the Border with Mexico, Or do you mean something else, as far as a straight line?

the fires seem to be scattered across the southern california area, they could have been started by satellite laser beams, it's possible, maybe the government is practising for a another MAGOR EVENT. also there is chatter about Mexican Illegals having a hand with this. Who Knows????



The "Chatter" was CONCLUSIVE!


CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES SET BY ILLEGAL ALIENS!
GUATEMALAN ARRESTED, CHARGED WITH ARSON - COPS HUNT OTHERS!
By Hal Turner

Illegal Aliens have been arrested by California Police and charged with setting at least two of the horrific Wildifres which burned much of southern California over the past 8 days. At least two such illegal aliens are in jail with "Immigration Holds" placed on them by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

In the meantime, the reward for helping capture and convict arson suspects that intentionally set some of the fires in California has now been increased to $250,000.

The California fires destroyed an estimated 1,800 homes, causing well over 1 billion dollars of damage and burning 461,000 acres across drought-ravaged southern California from the Mexican border to Santa Barbara.

Wildfires have burned about 753 square miles and destroyed about 1,800 homes throughout the region, causing at least three deaths from flames. Two of the fires, in Orange and Riverside counties, are believe to be the work of arsonists.

Firefighters started turning back the blazes Wednesday as the powerful and hot Santa Ana winds started to subside. By Friday morning most of the fires were contained, though emergency officials warned that a sudden change in the weather could put them back on the defensive. One of the largest remaining fires was the Santiago Canyon fire, which authorities said was the result of arson. A reward of 250,000 dollars is being offered for information leading to the arsonist.

According to the Associated Press a total of five people have been placed under arrest. The latest arrest came Wednesday after witnesses spotted 41-year-old Catalino Pineda starting a fire on a San Fernando Valley hillside and then walking away, Los Angeles police said. Witnesses alerted authorities and followed him to a nearby restaurant where police arrested him.

Pineda, a Guatemala native, was booked for investigation of arson and held on $75,000 bail. He's currently on probation for making excessive false emergency reports to law enforcement, police said. Two others, an adult and a juvenile were arrested Tuesday for allegedly starting a small fire in the San Diego suburb of Vista. Still two more arrested in San Bernardino County earlier this week were charged with arson counts for setting blazes.

A sixth man was shot to death by police after tried ramming his vehicle into officers who approached to see if he might be trying to set a fire.

POLITICAL BETRAYAL:



At the exact same time that arson wildfires set by illegal aliens were ravaging Americans in California, the U.S. Senate - including California Senator Dianne Feisntein - were attempting to give AMNESTY to illegal aliens!

So obsessed with getting new voters for themselves, US Senators didn't even care that Americans were being burned out of their homes by illegal alien arsonists!

The effort to grant AMNESTY to illegal aliens was betryal enough but to do so on the very day that Americans were being burned out of their homes by illegal alien arsonists raises the betrayal to the level of mental illness!

These US Senators represent a clear and present danger to the country. It is time to get them out of office by any means necessary. ALL OF THEM!

In the meantime, wouldn't it be ironic if victims of the California wildfires decided to "pay back" the U.S. Senators who have been pushing for AMNESTY, by setting the homes of those Senators on fire?

Whatever the victims choose to do is solely up to them, but as a public service, I am pleased to post the home addresses of pro-immigration U.S. Senators below.

http://www.halturnershow.com/index.html

roscoe
10-28-2007, 04:48 PM
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL LINK TO CNN THAT HAL POSTED ALTHOUGH IT IS NO LONGER OPERATIVE

http://www.headlinenews.com/2007/US/10/25/fire.mecha/index.html

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT 'MECHA' OR 'ILLEGALS' SET THE FIRES

redrat11
10-28-2007, 04:54 PM
They may have not set all the fires Roscoe, but, they sure set some of them. I think it was a wide range of arsonists that started the fires, You have to realize that when the Santa-Ana winds start blowing, all kinds of crazies find fires appealing. remember the BaY area fires way back when?

roscoe
10-28-2007, 08:04 PM
THE POINT IS TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO PLAY INTO THE HANDS OF PROVACATUERS LIKE TURNER AND MALKIN.

redrat11
10-28-2007, 08:57 PM
Don't you think the whole internet is full of provocateurs, on both sides, and from every angle, that is the way 'they' plan things.


The people who plan things, do it with perhaps 5 to ten years ahead of current time, thus the current situation is following a predictable timeline. Just think more insightful.

BlueAngel
10-28-2007, 09:02 PM
I don't think California fires would require five to ten years of planning.

redrat11
10-28-2007, 09:15 PM
Yes they would BA, you see the 9-11 incident,the Iraq War, the Coming North American Union, these things were figured out many years ago, these fires were pre planned for maximum destruction, If you see all the events unfolding as just random coincidence, then I suspect your internal sensors have been deluded, that is not a insult, it is just a observation. think about all the Wars for instance, they were all pre planned decades before commencing.

BlueAngel
10-28-2007, 09:44 PM
I am not stating that I believe the fires were pre-planned by anyone.

I am stating that, if they were, as you say, I don't believe it would require five to 10 years of planning.

I am not speaking about the time required to plan 911.

We KNOW the planning stages for events such as 911 take decades.

I am speaking about the fires.

redrat11
10-29-2007, 06:53 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
I am not stating that I believe the fires were pre-planned by anyone.

I am stating that, if they were, as you say, I don't believe it would require five to 10 years of planning.

I am not speaking about the time required to plan 911.

We KNOW the planning stages for events such as 911 take decades.

I am speaking about the fires.

BA, try to think hard about this, because it just came to me in a vision,(believe it or not) try to picture the American Revolution or the French Revolution, do you see fire, and structures on fire, burning and scattered over the countryside?

I know this probably makes no-sense, but, I sense the recent fires were deliberately set off by a (undetermined number) of individuals belonging to as yet undetermined organization, I know for a fact that in the American revolution Freemasonry had in a big hand in alot of covert activities, around the country at the time, I'm not saying that Masonry is somehow involved in the fires, but I'm saying there is some covert activity going on, because the "planning' it took to set off all the fires so as to 'engulf' the entire Southern California area is more than unreal.


I even heard a Top fire investigator say that it was highly unlikely that all those fires could have been set just randomly, there is a pattern there. My thinking is that there is 'message' embedded in the drama, whether evil or good, I don't know, but, more than likely evil. there is a message in the drama, just remember that.

And I'll be the first to say that if there is some close up satellite photos, then I bet you will see a clear 'sign' made by the fires, just my opinion.

roscoe
10-29-2007, 12:52 PM
AND AS A RESULT OF ALL THIS, BOY GEORGE IS RUNNING AROUND KALIFORNIA SAYING THAT OUR NEXT CYBORG PRESIDENT ARNOLD SCWARTZENEGGER IS EXHIBITING GREAT LEADERSHIP. I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR QUITE SOME TIME THAT THE NEXT BIG NWO EVENT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN KALI AN ORDER TO GIVE ARNOLD SOME ALLEGED CREDIBILITY--BAR CODE ANYONE??--HOW ABOUT BRAIN CHIP???

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 01:11 PM
To Red Rat:

Again, the statement I made was about planning stages for events that they orchestrate and the time frames.

I was not commenting on who started the fires, for what reason, etc.

To Roscoe:

Are you implying that the next NWO event are the fires?

I don't think so.

You must be inferring that the next planned and staged attack of great magnitude would be in California.

Remember what the CIA chief said when talking about the next terrorist attack?

Something to the effect that it would be earth shattering and/or shaking.

It's on a thread here somewhere that I started and I mentioned that ALL should take note of that particular wording.

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Whatever they hit us with next and if California is their target, maybe this is a "trial run" for Arnie.

Don't you think that Guilani had to have known about 911 before they carried out the attack?

redrat11
10-29-2007, 08:52 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
I am not stating that I believe the fires were pre-planned by anyone.

I am stating that, if they were, as you say, I don't believe it would require five to 10 years of planning.

I am not speaking about the time required to plan 911.

We KNOW the planning stages for events such as 911 take decades.

I am speaking about the fires.

BA, try to think hard about this, because it just came to me in a vision,(believe it or not) try to picture the American Revolution or the French Revolution, do you see fire, and structures on fire, burning and scattered over the countryside?

I know this probably makes no-sense, but, I sense the recent fires were deliberately set off by a (undetermined number) of individuals belonging to as yet undetermined organization, I know for a fact that in the American revolution Freemasonry had in a big hand in alot of covert activities, around the country at the time, I'm not saying that Masonry is somehow involved in the fires, but I'm saying there is some covert activity going on, because the "planning' it took to set off all the fires so as to 'engulf' the entire Southern California area is more than unreal.


I even heard a Top fire investigator say that it was highly unlikely that all those fires could have been set just randomly, there is a pattern there. My thinking is that there is 'message' embedded in the drama, whether evil or good, I don't know, but, more than likely evil. there is a message in the drama, just remember that.

And I'll be the first to say that if there is some close up satellite photos, then I bet you will see a clear 'sign' made by the fires, just my opinion.



Ok, I did some research on the possible origins of the fires, there is plenty of conspiracy theories out there, but, I'm sticking to mine above, however the theory about BLACKWATER is plausible, and it would be in line with mine, and the one I forgot to add is this, You've heard of the term "Jewish Lightning" you know how Jews are famous for burning things down when economic opportunity arises, well, I'd bet that a few hundred of those expensive homes,(over a million dollars) are jewish owned, also everyone knows that the housing market,Financial mortgage, insurance sectors, of Southern California is hitting rock bottom, well, all those institutions, are Jewish owned, along with just about everything else in America.


How coincidental that now those sectors will now benefit from the fires. Also I forgot to mention that all the afformentioned events are all interconected, below here are some links to tie it all together.

http://redpill8.blogspot.com/2007/10/who-is-responsible-for-california-fires.html



http://www.rense.com/general78/credit.htm



http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/vnn/462946752.html

Blackwater...


Fires-Blackwater (http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/fires-conspiracy-moonbat-randi-rhodes/)

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 08:56 PM
Okay, so it was a conspiracy and all the evidence has been presented by RedRat.

Now what?

Take 'em to court?

redrat11
10-29-2007, 09:00 PM
:-)

Jimbo
10-29-2007, 10:08 PM
<a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/userinfo.php?uid=57" target="_blank">Jimbo</a> wrote: Re: KALIFORNIA FIRES - Post #9
Suddenly. Supply goes down. Demand goes up. It will certainly come in as a blessing for the struggling (new construction) housing market in the near vicinity.


<a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/userinfo.php?uid=57" target="_blank">Jimbo</a> wrote: Re: KALIFORNIA FIRES - Post #20
Well, there is supposedly an article, which I haven’t read that claims that some power-lines fell down & caught on fire. There is another report of some arsonist shot dead by police. Wouldn’t he be of more use to us alive? I would think so. So, these are actual reports justifying, or evidence of possible causes of what started or contributed to these fires. Just like the passports they found in the ruins of 911. Ok, aside from that, if you can picture the straight line, either a plane or flying craft, satellite or whatever, (a Russian UFO for that matter would do), traveling north or south could have dropped anything that could have initiated these fires. Pretty simple, along its flying path. Also, if there is any laser technology available, & I am sure there is got to be some by now, & pretty sophisticated, they could have also been initiated by a laser beam just going up & down, & intermittently turning itself on & off. Of course this is just a plausible theory in the realm of high-tech possibilities. Now, whether that is what really happened or not, “I am not saying that”. I am fat-dumb-&-happy w/ their official-story, if that what anyone wants to believe. Did you read my previous comment in this same thread where I briefly mention about the new construction or housing industry in CA, in general, eventually benefiting from these fires, not to mention the recent slump of the “financial markets”, for which it might eventually provide at least some temporary relief - with the money flow into the system for new home purchases or rents needed to re-house victims from these fires, fix all of the damage, etc. etc.. Well, that is another plausible scenario. Again whether “true or not”, I don’t know. Just speculating. Now, if I was either a “detective” w/ the authority to do so, or an “insurance agent” w/ the authority to do so, I’d look into it right away (foul play), w/o delay…

I have been saying this for a while, but no one seemed have noticed ???

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Don't assume because your THEORY didn't receive a response that no one was listening, JIMBO???

I post all the time without response and I KNOW FOR A FACT there are plenty of people listening.

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 10:36 PM
Okay, JIMBO, so THEY started the fires to help the slaggering housing industry.

Now what?

Should we take them to court?

Jimbo
10-29-2007, 10:49 PM
<a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/userinfo.php?uid=1789" target="_blank">BlueAngel</a> wrote:
Whatever they hit us with next and if California is their target, maybe this is a "trial run" for Arnie.

Don't you think that Guilani had to have known about 911 before they carried out the attack?

Absolutely. “Trial-Run”, that is the 1st thing that ran through my mind. Perfect scenario for F E M-A. I am still wondering if there were any real live [&secrete] “Terra-Drills” (or better yet “Mocked Terra Raids”) carried out during the fires. That would certainly put the “icing on the cake”. As far as the “insurance scam” w/ buying new homes, “absolutely”. Makes perfect sense. Another thing is common whenever things like this happen on a “grand scale”, there are typically many angles & many benefactors. So this does fit the pattern of some kind of a cons-piracy.

Now as far as Mr. “Guilani” (I like your spelling because is non-scannable) is concerned, he welcomed F E M A-the night before 911. He had to know something was coming down. Not only that, he had “his” personal command & control center destroyed w/ they “pulled” building seven. So, not only did he know, but he was immersed in it up to his bald head.

What is "Arnie" ??? - Sorry, I didn't see it coming. You mean "Arnald"...

BlueAngel
10-29-2007, 10:56 PM
Why is the misspelling of Guiliani good because it's non-scannable???

No, I actually mean ARNIE!

BlueAngel
10-30-2007, 08:57 PM
I agree with your assumption that Arnie needs credibility.

Thus, the fires, the stand down with Bush and the National Guard at the borders; financial crisis?

Credibility with a terrorist attack of major proportion so that Arnie can be applauded and ushered into the White House someday.

Does anyone truly believe this guy married a Kennedy, rose from movies to Governor and wasn't groomed along the way to fulfill a role for THEM?

Didn't think so.

EVERYONE LOVED ARNIE IN THE MOVIES! They felt a familiarity about him so moving him into the Governor's seat in California, of course, was not a difficult task.

There was something that always struck me strange about Ronnie Reagan.

It was the glassed over look in his eyes.

He seemed to be operating on autopilot in a very "highly efficient" altered state of consciousness.

Sometimes, the glassed over look in one's eyes is a tell tale sign.

BlueAngel
10-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Straying off topic here..

but,

Ronnie Reagan.

He had a "hypnotic" way of speaking.

Put people at ease.

BlueAngel
10-31-2007, 09:28 AM
Officials: Boy with matches started fire By DAISY NGUYEN, Associated Press Writer
35 minutes ago
October 31, 2007

SANTA CLARITA, Calif. - Officials blamed a wildfire that consumed more than 38,000 acres and destroyed 21 homes last week on a boy playing with matches, and said they would ask a prosecutor to consider the case.

The boy, whose name and age were not released, admitted to sparking the fire on Oct. 21, Los Angeles County sheriff's Sgt. Diane Hecht said Tuesday. Ferocious winds helped it quickly spread.

"He admitted to playing with matches and accidentally starting the fire," Hecht said in a statement.

The boy was released to his parents, and the case will be presented to the district attorney's office, Hecht said. It was not clear if he had been arrested or cited by detectives.

The fire began in an area near Agua Dulce and quickly spread. It was among 15 or so major wildfires that destroyed some 2,100 homes and blackened 809 square miles from Los Angeles to the Mexican border last week. Seven deaths were blamed directly on the fires, six evacuees died of natural causes and one person died of a fall.

Authorities arrested five people for arson during that period, but none have been linked to any of the major blazes.

All but four of the blazes are now fully contained. Firefighters on Wednesday continued to cut lines around the remaining fires and kept a close eye on the weather.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Deputy Maribel Rizo said prosecutors were yet to determine if the boy's parents would be held accountable for any financial losses caused by the fire. Rizo did not know when prosecutors would be given the case.

Forecasters have said moderate Santa Ana winds could pick up later in the week.

Investigators have blamed an arsonist for setting a destructive wildfire in Orange County that blackened 28,500 acres and destroyed 16 homes.

Authorities were seeking the driver of a white Ford F-150 pickup truck spotted in a canyon area around the time the fire broke out. They said they wanted to talk to the driver, but stopped short of calling the person a suspect.

Officials offered a $285,000 reward to anyone with information that will lead to an arrest and conviction.