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stompk
01-20-2008, 04:51 AM
I believe the majority of people in masonry get involved for friendship and belonging to a fraternal organization.

But, I feel that the Mason's are a tool for the takeover by Baphomet.

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?

People like Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley have influenced the "craft" into a tool of the son of Satan, Baphomet.

Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.

And much good can come out of them. But they are masking a much more sinister operation, IMO.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIZGYlT1PEU&rel
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/djr88iv1FmQ&rel
Notice how the big guy comes out to intimidate them. He get's turned around by their sincere and polite questioning.

You see, the Masons are the suckers on the tentacles of the Octopus.

Shadow
01-22-2008, 10:25 AM
Are you refering to Temoh Bap?

Delta
02-04-2008, 11:16 PM
Do you have any proof of your allegations?

stompk
02-10-2008, 05:25 AM
Do you have any proof of your allegations?

Standard issue response.

I don't need proof. I simply plant the seed.

Delta
02-10-2008, 05:57 PM
Your planting has failed then!

stompk
02-13-2008, 06:45 AM
Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.

The keepers of the Great Seal of the United States, the familiar emblem on the back of the $1 bill, want you to know what it is not. It is not a sign that Freemasons run the country, it has nothing to do with the occult, and it does not contain clues to a fabulous hidden treasure.
Source: Great Seal secrets revealed! - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_great_seal_myths_3)

That was awfully nice of them to come out of the closet and explain.

Thing their not watching these conspiracy forums?

Huh Delta, huh Shadow?

Delta
02-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Nice to see you have found interest in a childish game.

Morty
02-13-2008, 08:23 PM
Evil? No, far from it.

The idea of Mason being evil, in with the devil, comes from christianity. To find a silly excuse to close down these freethinkers, they made people belive they were in with the devil.

Most masonic temples have tours, go on one. You wont be able to see everything, but pretty much every room is covered.

No windows? Well, look around. How many temples have windows? How many churches have windows? By that, I mean windows you can look inside without risking braking your neck. Windows are high up etc. etc. There is also the mystical aspect of it, and keeping the rituals a secret etc. etc. Most rituals are today well known, so there is really no secrets.

The masonic orders have no religion, even if the have both the bible and the koran. Most places have a prayer room, were these book lay repectfully, and were those who feel like prayer can do so. Except from that, I know that some use the bible to swear to uphold the brotherhood.

I would argue that freemasonic teaching is religion, maybe one of the better, but with a strong focus on characterbuilding. You learn to respect all sorts of people, you feel welcomed in a group and you learn respect of symbolic rituals. The rituals themselfs are there to read as you want, they dont have one simple meaning and no preacher fill your head with dogmas. And there is the difference of masons and other religions, no dogmas.

The pentagram? Well, what is the pentagram but a christian invention. Lucifer is older then christianity, meaning light bearer or son of dawn. In Roman astrology its Venus, the morning star, shining brightest before the sun rises. What is the sun? It is God, and they just had to trow Lucifer out of the sky to make room for "thau shalt not have more then bla bla bla".

If there is something smelly and shadowy about it, its christianity with its history. Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps. At worst its a boysclub, that sometimes can be used for the wrong things, like using your "brother" for private interests and such. It used to be big amongst the powers that be, politicans and such, but have lost its spunk over the years. But dont come and tell me that priests, good christians, muslims, hindu or what ever never spun webs for their own good?

stompk
02-14-2008, 04:19 AM
Hitler was a Mason for a period. Why would he chase them down, to kill them. Maybe to keep his secrets quiet. Typical Masonic move. Not above killing, to keep their secrets.

Take Delta for example. This is a conspiracy forum.

Read Deltas posts.
http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4886

They are against every conspiracy.

Maybe you Masons should find a forum that is more approving of your secret satonic practices.

You will not find any love of Mason from me.

Infact, I am THE masons enemy.

I work for Jesus.

stompk
02-14-2008, 04:20 AM
And don't call me a Christian, cause I don't like most of them either.

Morty
02-14-2008, 07:04 AM
When it comes to Hitler, your thinking about the Thule Society "Study Group for Germanic Antiquity". But he never was a member, he got money from them to do spread his politics. Some of the fairytales of the clean race up north, might have come out of this gang. Thule being the islands/land up north, like england, iceland and scandinavia.

Hitler was never a mason, and he didnt kill masons to keep a secret. You base this on what? In his book Mein Kampf you can read:"Freemasonry, which has succumbed to him -the jew- completely, he has an excellent instrument with which to fight for his aims and put them across. The governing circles and the higher strata of the political and economic bourgeoisie are brought into his nets by the strings of Freemasonry, and never need to suspect what is happening." He killed them caus they were part of the jewish conspiracy.

The sad thing is how you and Hitler share views, I bet you never thought about it. I know you dont wanna kill jews, but this is in fact a long old christian view that has become indoctrinated into us humans. The jews killed Jesus, this started as early as when the first christian Roman emperor Constantine (285-337 CE) about it. Hitler was a christian, he got his anti-jewish ideas from christian society. Martin Luther, the father of protestantism, was a crazy old fart who belived he saw the devil and witches do magic. By the way, when he wanted to chase the devil away. He put his ass up in the air and farted! Anyway, Luther had a tenpoint plan to get rid of the jewish problem.

I am not a mason, nor will I never be. I am, like you, interested in it. To take the conclusion that I am a mason, just because I dont fear them and bite into a christian paranoia, is far from being a mason. There is no logic to your conclusion, non at all.

I have some questions to you, if you are not a christian, were have you learned about Jesus?

Second, from were have you learned that masons are evil? A church? A webpage? A person?

Third, have you ever been inside a masonic hall/temple?

I hope you answer with truth, being a beliver in Jesus and all.

stompk
02-14-2008, 07:25 AM
I've been an electrical contractor for many years. I have been in just about every kind of building, including a Masonic hall, and some of their locked back rooms.

But the truth is, I base a lot of my theory on reaction.

And a personal library collection of over 600 valuable books. Almost every conspiracy theory throughout recent history has some sort of Masonic tie-in, including the banking scandals at the Vatican.

As your hostile reaction insinuates, Masons are more concerned with trying to cover up, than accepting that secrecy inherently brings mistrust.

So sorry if your offended. Maybe you shouldn't read my writing, as I am very critical of secret organizations of all kinds.

stompk
02-14-2008, 07:27 AM
And as for how do I know Jesus?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

Morty
02-14-2008, 10:33 AM
My reaction is not more hostile then yours, so were does that leave us?

You should base your theory on facts, and one fact is that you dont know me. Another fact is that we have freedom of speech, at least in my country, meaning I dont have to agree on you. The conspiracy theory line is that if someone dont agre with you, they must be part of the conspiracy. There is no logic in that.

Most huge madmen in our history, Hitler, Stalin etc. have belived in the same you do. We see how they loved freedom, dont we? So might it not be that your barking up the wrong tree?

When it comes to you and Jesus, from what you have written, I can take a wild guess. Your related to him?

stompk
02-14-2008, 11:17 AM
Morty, since we all stem from Noah, we are ALL related to Jesus.

Morty
02-14-2008, 12:25 PM
Christian biblical stories, okay? I thought I shouldnt call you christian? But I wonder, isnt Adam & Eve the first human beings? And how was that again, Noah lived 1000 years?

But this brings us into something interesting, caus you`ll find Noah in gnostic, jewish, islamic and christian stories. They are all a bit different, so what is the right one? The you have the Gilqamesh flood, astra-hasis and the earliest mentions of the flood from the sumerian age. What about them? Noah a rewrite of old stories?

Then you have the fact that Jesus is given life in Maria by the holy ghost, God, so that really sucks if your related to Joseph. Right?

There is also the fact that they must have been having sex with eachother, brother and sister, and were in the good book is that okay?

Well, if we use your "facts", that would mean that freemasons, illuminati and all other evil is also related to Jesus. And that puts us?

Who was that swedish viking by the way?

stompk
02-14-2008, 01:53 PM
When did the christians become the owner of the stories of the bible. The Bible was around long before the christian.

Viking? Rollo Ragnvaldsson. My last name is Svensson. But I've already told you that you wouldn't believe me anyway, so how about we get back to the op, which is about the Masons.

My Grampa was a mason. He actually laid bricks. He was an honorable man.

Morty
02-15-2008, 11:35 AM
As far as I see, Rollo Ragnvaldsson was norwegian, but had his base on Iceland. He died in 932, and was probably not christian. Well, not before he became the 1st Duke of Normandy. But it does still not make sense, since its 500 years before the first Jesuites. Well, and the fact that you said he was swedish.

I you are related to him, then you would be related to Elizabeth II. Isnt she the Grand Patroness of the Freemasons? Isnt she a bloodsucking lizard, and pure illuminati bloodline too?

Yes, the freemasons. I still havent gotten any hardcore proof yet, just some hints that they are evil as evil can be. I reccon that your grandfather laid bricks, not in himself, but to lay fundamants of buildings and such. My father did that to, but that has nada to do with the subject.

stompk
02-15-2008, 01:20 PM
Yes, the queen is the Head of The Knights of Malta.

The most powerful secret society in existense.

Bush sr. recently became a member.

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If all religion are tolerated in Masonry, as they claim,

then they also tolerate Satanic worship, according to their

own guidelines, and therefore there could be a sinister element

in Masonry.

Morty
02-16-2008, 12:11 PM
First of all, thanks for the video, but it wasnt very good. It failed to look into the symbols, many of who are really simple to understand.

The hexagram, or the star of David, seal of Solomon or what ever you wanna call it. The seal of Solomon comes from the tale of Solomon, who had gotten a ring from the heavens with the name of God engraved in it. With this ring he could controll the demons, good and evil. It is also to be found in Arabian Night, among other the tales of Sinbad the Sailor. I guess you can also see it a yin and yan, up and down, heaven and earth or the fire and water. You also find the symbol in eastern religions, Hinduism and Buddhism.

In Encyclopedia of Freemasonry it says: "The interlacing triangles or deltas symbolize the union of the two principles or forces, the active and passive, male and female, pervading the universe... The two triangles, one white and the other black, interlacing, typify the mingling of apparent opposites in nature, darkness and light, error and truth, ignorance and wisdom, evil and good, throughout human life."

The pentagram, that many christians see as an evil sign, was also used by christians. It was a symbol of the wounds of Jesus. Its origin is probably just a symbol of a star. You will find mention of the pentagram in the Old Testament, keyword: Moses.

In Norway the pentagram was used to scare evil creatures/demons away, carved over the door of your larder.

If you turn the pentagram, upside down, you have the satanic form. This is pretty modern, compared to how old the symbol is. The Sigil of Baphomet is first found in the book “La Clef de la Magie Noire” from 1897, the one we know is from the Church of Satan, the LaVey satanism. He wrote the Satanic Bible in 1969, and by then freemasonry had been around for a very very very long time.

If you enter a masonic lodge you will find a prayer room, there you will find the books from the to most common religions, the christian and muslim. Ask the next time your in one, they will probably be happy to show you around.

But to belive LaVey? Isnt that kinda odd? Remember that Satan/Lucifer is a christian creation, and is simply just a personification of the morning star, Lucifer. The star that shine brighest before the sun comes up, early on seen as something good. The bringer of light, and light here is God. That why still today you have many christians symbols showing sunrays out of the sky, from there we come to another simple symbol, the eye of Providence.

The eye of Providence, also known as the all-seeing eye, is an old symbol of God. The form often used by masons, also found on the dollar bill, is from around 1700 -1800, but the eye as an symbol is much older, like the eye of Horus. In Buddhism its called the eye of the world.

It is also a old christian symbol for God, the all-seeing God. The triangle is the symbol of trinity.

Its a powerfull symbol, and old, thats all. There is nothing scary about it, if you dont wanna make it that way.

Why the word Providence? Well, its just another word for God. It means to see the future, or see ahead. Further you can look at the word provide, or the provider. It is read in different ways in different religions, or different directons of christianity. Providence is important in American history, like the manifest destiny.

When it comes to religion in masonry, what you say is not true. Most are open to all religions, but in Scandinavia the tradition is to only let christians be let in. This is different from masonry to masonry.

stompk
02-17-2008, 04:52 AM
symbolism, idolism, they seem to all be the same to me.

Money, is a form of symbolism.

And that is the base of the whole organization.

This thread is intended to wake up the masons.

As a mason, do you feel your doing the right thing?

Morty
02-17-2008, 09:07 AM
I cant answer that, caus I am not a mason. Feel free to think I am, but it doesnt make it any more true. Yes, your dead wrong.

I am wondering, why do you belive that? Just caus I give you an answer? Just caus I dont think masons are evil satanist who slaughter children to the devil to summon demons?

First of all, I am not christian. So I havent been raised to be hatefull of masons, or any other group that many christians think do magic and satans work. Meaning, I am not pre-programmed. I am a free spirit, I read, experience and learn.

You say your not christian, but still you follow a christian tradition. I wonder, do you belive there are witches too? Do you belive in demons? You belive in the devil? I dont, thats why I can have such rational look at these things. I belive that humans can be bad and egosentric, but it has nothing to do with evil spirits.

Money can work as a symbol, yes. It can give you power, it can make you appear sexy. It can open doors, it gives you respect. But the fact that money has become a symbol, is non other then humans own fault. If your gonna blame it on the masons, then its time to raise your book collection to 601. Buy "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", John Perkins give you a glimps into a real world of money. Do you think the overtrow of Guatemalan president Arbenz, was the work of evil freemasons? If you do so, you better wake up and smell the coffee. Then you got 600 books of shit in your shelfs, caus all of them have made your eyes wide shut.

I am wondering were you learned to wake up masons? If you paid to learn it, you should get your money back. If you want to talk to masons, go to the masonic lodge. If you dont dare to go there, call them. If you dont dare that either, send them a mail. Ask someone who is a mason, and stop making fairytales for yourself.

I took the liberty of typing grand masonic logde into google, I found the english one and they have an emailadress. Try them, they might answer you.

Email them at

ugle@ugle.org.uk

And please, spare me the "this is meant to wake up masons"-bs. Your not a kid, are you? Grow up.

stompk
02-18-2008, 06:44 AM
I don't know. What about this site?
Stop Child Rape (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/)

Then I found this DOE (Dept. of Education) memo: DOE Weekly Field Memo – January 9, 2008 Topics Covered in this Memo: From the Department: • (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:nuDQw0yeNlQJ:education.vermont.gov/new/pdfdoc/dept/field_memo/memo_01_09_08/Field%2520Memo01_09_08.pdf+%22masonic+%22child+abu se%22+inurl:.gov&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us)


The Mason’s C.A.R.E. Training: K-12 Masonic Model Student Assistance Program
Audience: Superintendents, Administrators, Tobacco Coordinators, Safe & Drug-Free Schools
Coordinators, School Resource Officers, School Nurses, Student Assistance Professionals
This three-day workshop will help build educators’ skills in identifying at-risk students and providing appropriate guidance.

This training is an opportunity for schools to create an informed team of three to six
members (must include one administrator) to,<b> identify, intervene with, and create appropriate referrals for students</b> who may be at risk for substance abuse, depression, suicide or violence and <b>other unhealthy behaviors</b>

(bold added)

Now what business do the Masons have being involved in this?

They don't have to answer to the general public, so this is a definite conflict of interest.

What is their agenda? Modus Operandi they call it.
Could it be: American Chronicle | Is Ritual Child Abuse Just a Hoax? (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/52590)

Get their evil grubby paws out of my kids education. Thank you!

Morty
02-18-2008, 08:11 AM
I am sad child molesting happens, but its good that now it cant be covered up. Its still a sensitive issue, and for some it seem easier to just let go by then to handle. We had a big case in Norway, that made many innocent people guilty. The state went crazy, and sort of lead kids into saying that they to had been molested.

Some kids had been molested, and one man was the molester. He wasnt a mason, just a childcaretaker at a kindergarten. After that we got a law, so that people who is gonna work with kids, have to show their policerecords. This works good.

Anyway, you find childmolesters everywere. My girlfriend is an ex-christian, from a Baptist church, and she told me about one of their ministers. Everybody knew he had molested some children, even one of her friends, but they just looked the other way. Why? Caus its a shame, they feel shame to. Dont bring shame on the church, so they just look past it.

I am not saying that there are not masons who are child molestors, but masonry do not pratice child molesting as a part of a ritual. Go to hospitals, see what masons have given of money and help to many kids. If you use the argument your using, then I could say that baptist churches also are part of a child rape ring.

I agree on stopping child rape, but your not logical.

Morty
02-18-2008, 07:40 PM
Stompk, I have read up on this case of McMartin Pre-School abuse case. You have to be a christian to belive this, I even read that the kids have seen witches fly? They were flushed down toilets, went thru pipes and ended up in a secret satanic underground place were they were molested? I also read that the tunnels were old pre-world war tunnels, filled up with all sorts of crap. Even kids now grown up tell that they were told, that they were doing the right thing in telling this. That they were good kids, and by so lead in many ways to keep on telling tales. This is very similar to the case we had in Norway, were investigators and parents set their minds into making kids tell lies. I read from a case study that after this, the way of interviewing kids who might be molested have changed. The fact that they used nine years on the trail, and no one was convicted, says everything about it. It amazes me that you fall for this crap?

All this ever created was masshyteria, and religion is amazing at creating it over and over again.

Let me tell you a story, it has nothing to do with child molesting, but religion and masshysteria. My girlfriends father was part of a baptist church in Texas, and before 2000 there were all kinds of scary stories of how everything would shut down, caus the computers wouldnt handle it. The minister in his church made them belive that this was the sign of the devil, the start of doomsday. So he quit his job, and bought bags and bags of corn and a windmill. So that when everything broke down, he could take care of his familiy. Sweet, but he was still led to belive by people who use their power to creat this masshysteria. It never happend, so they still have those damned bags of corn. Worst of all, he lost a good job and his pride. Now, were is the conspiracy about these kinda hoaxes? Thats your mindcontroll, my friend.

stompk
02-19-2008, 04:33 AM
The 135-year-old fraternal organization that runs the Shriners Hospitals for Children is fraught with questionable accounting practices that fail to support the group’s primary mission, reports The New York Times.

An investigation by the newspaper of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine found that only 2 percent of the operating expenses at the 22 hospitals run by the fraternal group came from money raised by Shrine temples and dues paid by the group’s 411,000 members. Most costs are paid for by the hospitals’ $9-billion endowment.

In 2005 the Shriners raised more than $32-million through bingo games, circuses, and other events, but more than 57 percent of this money went to support fraternity costs, including expenses for alcohol and trips to group meetings, the paper says.


Source: Shriners Accused of Widespread Financial Misdeeds - Philanthropy.com (http://philanthropy.com/news/index.php?id=2079)

Yes, they are a wonderful group, aren't they.

Can't you see it's about money. When money intervenes, corruption always follows.

But keep defending em Morty.

Morty
02-19-2008, 11:51 AM
Yes, of course it happens. But does that mean that every shriner is a crook? Money, like I have said before, makes some people go crazy with greed. But this doesnt show that shrines all in all are bad, or that there is something secret here. The fact that this is uncovered, and by Internal Revenue Service, should blow big holes in some big illuminati conspiracy? But I guess you dont wanna see that?

I am not defending, not at all. Just using common sense.

stompk
02-19-2008, 02:51 PM
Your certainly entitled to your opinion Morty. However, this is a conspiracy forum, and this thread is posted in the Freemasonry section, which is about conspiracies connected to the Freemasons, so I don't see you point.

Morty
02-19-2008, 04:58 PM
You dont see my point? Wow, I am amazed!

So what I should do, following your logic, is to either shut up or agree? Well, to bad freedom of speech was invented. If you cant stand people seeing thru your weak arguments, or lack of them, then you should stop discussions on forums like this.

Yes, this is a conspiracy forum. I love conspiracies, it doesnt make me agree that you have a point here. Caus you dont, and I am pointing that out. I stopped focus on masons, caus they are not part of a big conspiracy against humanity. The fact that they keep rituals secret, is pretty logical. The fun fact here is, that you buy into their own myth. You more then I, buy into what some of them think of themselfs as masons. This grand idea of being part of something special, since its secret and all.

stompk
02-20-2008, 03:02 PM
You dont see my point? Wow, I am amazed!

So what I should do, following your logic, is to either shut up or agree? Well, to bad freedom of speech was invented. If you cant stand people seeing thru your weak arguments, or lack of them, then you should stop discussions on forums like this.

Yes, this is a conspiracy forum. I love conspiracies, it doesnt make me agree that you have a point here. Caus you dont, and I am pointing that out. I stopped focus on masons, caus they are not part of a big conspiracy against humanity. The fact that they keep rituals secret, is pretty logical. The fun fact here is, that you buy into their own myth. You more then I, buy into what some of them think of themselfs as masons. This grand idea of being part of something special, since its secret and all.

Have you ever heard of ATU XX?
Check out: The Cry of the 26th Aethyr (http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr26.htm)

Or the formula of Tetragrammaton?
Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > the meaning of the TETRAGRAMMATON (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t74014.html)

Or how about VITRIOL?
Visita Iinterioria Terrrae Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem

Sulpher, Mercury and Salt.

The healer is here.

Morty
02-21-2008, 08:28 AM
I think your missing some point here, first of all you have to belive in it for something to work. Let me make you a simple example...

If you belive that you can be hypnotized, then your open to it. Meaning, you will most likely be hypnotized if your subjected to it. If your dead sure that it wont work, your deeply sceptical, then it will not work.

So if you belive in these secret texts, then they will give you something. Its like reading the Bible, and if you belive in God, it gives you a deeper spiritual meaning. When I read the Bible, I see a fairytale and a medium for masscontroll.

Watch a documentary called "The Human Behavior Experiment", its easy and simple told, but gives you an insight in human behavior.

Lets say I used those secret text in a group, a group that was open to those ideas, I could use them to controll them. I could probably use them to open "secret doors within", and make them feel divine or what ever. It doesnt mean that the text does it, far from it.

YouTube - Derren Brown "instant conversion" (explained) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHz4BA8zJZ8)

But I cant see what those text has anything to do with masons, or says anything about masons being evil. I wonder what happend to the 600 books you have, or was that a try to manipulate me to belive your smarter then me? Or that you have some deeper insight? Think about it...

stompk
02-22-2008, 03:41 AM
I tied it all together for you in the Waldorf Education thread.
http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/f20/waldorf-education-salt-mercury-sulphur-6002.html#post47451

That thread stems from two books I have, "The Book Of Thoth" and The Child's Changing Consciousness.

Now there are hints of the Genesis Strategy, Collapse, The Path of The Masters, and even some Her Bak. And many others.

I used to deal used books online. Still do a bit. I've sold over 10,000 books in the last 7-8 yrs, and skimmed them all. Kept the ones that interest me, or have future value.

But by far, the best research tool is the internet. Millions of books out there.

TheLucifer
02-27-2008, 12:54 PM
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There is a Pendulum that is in swing, to its left.
Union Station is the Right hand note the little left hand (left is lame).

Ancient Rome was the Satan of that time, Rome fell at the end of the 5th century hence the "deadly wound".
The Pilgrims came to this land in the 17th century (1620) to set up the "New Jerusalem" (the one that comes down out of heaven, meaning planned) America, the Revived Roman Empire (revived = wound healed).
Satan was "bound" a thousand years (6th - 16th centuries) and was loosed for a short season as of 1776 and the world has wondered after the beast, the greatest nation on gods green earth.

The Flag is the "image " of the beast.

This beast is Satan the Antichrist.
In the temptation story Satan is on a "hill", that hill in reality is Capital Hill (where the head of the beast is), capitalize by bowing to the beast Satan.

The "False Prophet", a man known only as The Professor did work with George Washington, Ben and others in 1775 setting up the flag/image of the first beast America.
The "great day of the lord " soon followed on May 19, 1780.
I quote from a book Prince Of Darkness p. 331 by Grant R. Jefferey. Grant used this story in his book to proudly boast of a brave and wise christian amongst fearful dummies all the while missing the extreme importance of the story (because truth is not with him), now THATS like a thief in the night.

On May 19, 1780 the sky across the United States was illuminated with meteor showers unlike those ever seen before. By 10:00 A.M. the next morning the sky became black as night and the moon turned blood red. In the State Legislature of Massachusetts panic set in among the distressed representatives. Some fearful members called for a motion to adjorn the hearings in the light of the possible return of the Lord. However, one of the wiser Christians legislators replied, "Gentlemen, bring candles. If it is not the Day of Judgement we should continue our deliberations. However, if it is the Day of Judgement we should be found at our post. Gentlmen...To buisness!"

The "mark" of the beast is
1. the Great Seal (the Eye in the capstone) hence SEALED.
2. the bar code 6-6-6

The eye is deity and the capstone represents this deity being the Chief Cornerstone.

A woman rides (rides = guides) the beast, a likeness of her stands in New York, she is Lady Liberty/Ishtar.
7 spikes on her crown =
7 continents
7th and final beast empire
spiritual completeness, this is where it all comes down.

She is the greatest idol in the history of the world.

The "synagogue of satan" is DC.
A group of people that call themselves Jews but are not.

The "mark" in the right hand =
1. fight for
2. work for

The "mark" in the forehead =
1. think for (minions)
2. think with (patriots), proud to be American.
Pride does go before the fall.

Satan is set up in the holy place, in otherwords, as the Chief Cornerstone.

Darkness was/is upon the face of the deep !!!
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Leonardo
02-28-2008, 03:07 PM
<TABLE class=tborder id=post275775 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_275775 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #7ab784 1px solid">As many know Masonic symbols are layed out in the design of Washington DC i.e. the upside down 5 pointed star that points to the White House, the Compus with horns on it and the Square as arms of the beast but no one ever shows the UPSIDE DOWN CROSS (as you face East) with beast (Satan) atop the cross with a 6 pointed star on its head so I took a map and highlighted these things and more.

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There is a Pendulum that is in swing, to its left.
Union Station is the Right hand note the little left hand (left is lame).

Ancient Rome was the Satan of that time, Rome fell at the end of the 5th century hence the "deadly wound".
The Pilgrims came to this land in the 17th century (1620) to set up the "New Jerusalem" (the one that comes down out of heaven, meaning planned) America, the Revived Roman Empire (revived = wound healed).
Satan was "bound" a thousand years (6th - 16th centuries) and was loosed for a short season as of 1776 and the world has wondered after the beast, the greatest nation on gods green earth.

The Flag is the "image " of the beast.

This beast is Satan the Antichrist.
In the temptation story Satan is on a "hill", that hill in reality is Capital Hill (where the head of the beast is), capitalize by bowing to the beast Satan.

The "False Prophet", a man known only as The Professor did work with George Washington, Ben and others in 1775 setting up the flag/image of the first beast America.
The "great day of the lord " soon followed on May 19, 1780.
I quote from a book Prince Of Darkness p. 331 by Grant R. Jefferey. Grant used this story in his book to proudly boast of a brave and wise christian amongst fearful dummies all the while missing the extreme importance of the story (because truth is not with him), now THATS like a thief in the night.

On May 19, 1780 the sky across the United States was illuminated with meteor showers unlike those ever seen before. By 10:00 A.M. the next morning the sky became black as night and the moon turned blood red. In the State Legislature of Massachusetts panic set in among the distressed representatives. Some fearful members called for a motion to adjorn the hearings in the light of the possible return of the Lord. However, one of the wiser Christians legislators replied, "Gentlemen, bring candles. If it is not the Day of Judgement we should continue our deliberations. However, if it is the Day of Judgement we should be found at our post. Gentlmen...To buisness!"

The "mark" of the beast is
1. the Great Seal (the Eye in the capstone) hence SEALED.
2. the bar code 6-6-6

The eye is deity and the capstone represents this deity being the Chief Cornerstone.

A woman rides (rides = guides) the beast, a likeness of her stands in New York, she is Lady Liberty/Ishtar.
7 spikes on her crown =
7 continents
7th and final beast empire
spiritual completeness, this is where it all comes down.

She is the greatest idol in the history of the world.

The "synagogue of satan" is DC.
A group of people that call themselves Jews but are not.

The "mark" in the right hand =
1. fight for
2. work for

The "mark" in the forehead =
1. think for (minions)
2. think with (patriots), proud to be American.
Pride does go before the fall.

Satan is set up in the holy place, in otherwords, as the Chief Cornerstone.

Darkness was/is upon the face of the deep !!!
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TheLucifer is a stupid and ridiculous handle. Contemptable, really.

TheLucifer
02-28-2008, 08:31 PM
Well im hoping youre not christian because the Jesus caracter in the Bible claimed to be "the bright and morning star" hence the lucifer, which means the bringer of light/truth, in other words a truthful person, someone who wont lie.
Thats really bad right ?

Leonardo
02-29-2008, 01:01 PM
Well im hoping youre not christian because the Jesus caracter in the Bible claimed to be "the bright and morning star" hence the lucifer, which means the bringer of light/truth, in other words a truthful person, someone who wont lie.
Thats really bad right ?

Yes, it is really bad. You're going to have to do better than that, but you can't because you're a little pathetic illumi-satanic-luci-poser.

You may leave the hall now, TheLoserfer.

TheLucifer
02-29-2008, 01:42 PM
Perhaps you might explain your angry and hate filled reply !
loserfer, thats pretty funny.
Are you a Mason or christian ??
I do marvel at such uncivil discourse.

What about the upside down cross and horns etc ??

The upside down cross (as you face East) being made using the four most important buildings (Capital bldg, White House, Lincoln memorial and Jefferson memorial) in America in which I learned about (the cross) through a book Washington D.C. by Irene Smith (a 1964 copy) that I found at a thrift shop about 10 years ago.
This book is not anti masonic or D.C. and I have childrens books that quite clearly show the cross as well.

People always point out the upside down 5 pointed star that points to the White House which is serious but I think the cross is even more serious and this stuff is all done via the tax payers.

Leonardo
03-01-2008, 11:50 AM
Hear, hear, now!

To rebut these allegations of 'angry' and 'hate filled', nothing could be further from the truth.

I am joyful and filled with feelings of love and good will.

Whence arise these feelings? I rejoice that Baphomet is being sacrificed for the greater good. And I was ecstatic when I found that Baphomet is also being burned at the stake.

Are these things not joy?

Can one truly claim not to feel feelings of satisfaction at driving an atheme through the bleeding Eye of Horus?

TheLucifer
03-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Bleeding eye ! Thats interesting, I had one of those once, my left one.

The handle huh, nothing more ?

I respect plain open talk, for everyone, thats where power and honor is.

Are the Masons evil ?
No, nomore than anyone else, we're all in the same boat. There are doers and those who dont care.
All people are good and bad, evil is a part of bad.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.

The story of the confusion is devide and conquer.

stompk
03-02-2008, 04:42 AM
Yes, Order out of Chaos, right?

Shin Tau.

muslim4life
03-03-2008, 01:38 AM
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TheLucifer
03-03-2008, 10:31 AM
devide = chaos

and

conquer = order


Ordo ab Chao

Order out of Chaos

The world has been devided and thus, is being conquered.


I saw 5 or more years ago on tv via a news report (probably CNN) a capstone is planned to be put on the great pyramid in Egypt (thats on the back of the dollar bill), a 66 hundred (or thousand) ton rock, route 66, I submitt thats not man being enlightened but the world being conquered.



A better question is, Is freemasonry (not the masons themselves, all people are good and bad) evil ?

Leonardo
03-05-2008, 05:05 PM
Bleeding eye ! Thats interesting, I had one of those once, my left one.

The handle huh, nothing more ?

I respect plain open talk, for everyone, thats where power and honor is.

Are the Masons evil ?
No, nomore than anyone else, we're all in the same boat. There are doers and those who dont care.
All people are good and bad, evil is a part of bad.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.

The story of the confusion is devide and conquer.

The real question is do you know how to spell divide?

No, nomore than any other word, you're all the illiterati from grammer to metaphysics. They are losers and they don't care.

All Masons are evil, and bad and good together are part of all these evil people.

Seven of Nine, more than half of not another dozen.

Leonardo
03-05-2008, 07:26 PM
It is difficult to overestimate the damage caused by the Masons since the enlightenment age. They have literally raped the earth, humanity and all of creation. I say Masons, because I include those so-called Christians and Muslims that have, albeit unwittingly, alied themselves with Ordo Illuminati.

Again, it is absolutely indescribable how evil this world is at this very hour by means of the activities of the Freemasons. They are a plague on the world.

Within the documents and propaganda under the supervision of high grade Masons, such as Protocols, Silent Weapons, etc...etc...etc..., one is able to discern a perfectly Antichrist/Luciferian system of philosophy and praxis. Masonry is the antithesis of Life. Illuministic Masonry is the complete negation of creation. It is Nihilism in the absolute sense, not simply some ideal of sexual liberation or what not, but the complete rejection of Creation Order as it is in Truth.

Masons indeed are aware of some of the Mysteries of Christianity. They make use of them by first supressing the Truth in the world and then inverting and wresting the truth in a Lie. They do this at every level of knowledge and have thus raced ahead of the Truth in the parabolic scale of time.

The fact of the matter is that Masons really have no power at all. Their whole game is simply one giganitic magic trick. Their dogmas are delusions, their aureole is emptiness, and their power is propaganda. They are the same type of bullies who gang up on the class nerds in school yards at recess. They have murdered, bewitched, usurped, robbed, and deceived the entire world.

Their job was not actually that difficult. As deceived as the world already is and has been, what does it demonstrate for the Illuminati to keep deceiving it. Especially if it make use of underhanded methods to do so. A Mason, Satanist, Luciferian, Illuminus are all the same animal under differing brand names. Whatever they may be, human is not on that list.

They whole herd of them amount to exactly Nothing. They are Nothing, they do Nothing, they inherit Nothing. Their Wisdom is Delusion. Their Life is Death, their fulfillment is Desolation, their Foundation is Sand, their abode is the Abyss, and their destination is Destruction. They are absolutely, totally, completely worthless forms of existential unbeing. They are a black hole in space sucking the life out of both themselves and everything around them.

And it is truly amazing to me, because all humanity would have to do to recreate the Garden of Eden is turn their doctrine erect and upright, and there would be the Light of Life and Truth.

Why any human would want to life in the bondage and tyranny of souls that is Luciferianism is beyond my comprehension. All I can say about them is that they are totally bereft, deprayed fools with souls and spirits of utter darkness.

Now the Luciferian has said in his heart that he shall know good and evil and be like God. He has said that he shall ascend like the most high and dwell in the Temple to the sides of the North. Thus and so, he builds himself a mirror and a mirage of the Truth which is a Lie and then sales his wares to the world as wisdom like the whore he is.

Amazing, these Luciferians. If they wanted to be like God then they should do and perform Good, Excellence, Urightness, Rectification. For this is the likeness of God. FOOLISH BLIND LUCIFERIAN! If you wanted to ascend like the Most High and dwell in the Celestial regions of the great Crimson Fortress in the North, then read and practice the Good Doctrine found in the Reveleation of Jesus CHRIST!

This nonsense astounds me. There is absolutely no reason why the world should be as it is today. The Spirit of Liberation has been proved and shown to come from Jesus Christ and God the Father. They are that spirit of goodwill, liberty, and life to the world and man. And why should they not be? FOR MAN WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! If man has asperation for life, freedom, ecstasy, and expansion, would it not stand to reason that his own maker planned to reveal these things to him in time and growth!?

What deceived fools are these Illuminati. All this pomp and circumstance, all this sorcery, pharmakia, pornia, death and destruction....all because of a bunch of fools who thought they had the corner on the Wisdom market.

What a bunch!

TheLucifer
03-05-2008, 09:38 PM
About nine years ago I went to the minnesota state fair and went to the masonic booth and layed my map down on their table and confronted the three wise men (all three 32nd degree), they were not happy to have to deal with me. The one that was in charge of the three said to me "freemasonry has nothing to do with Washington dc", now thats some bold faced lying. This same guy was telling me a story and while telling the story he took a piece of masonic stationary and drew an octagon and then wrote the word "stop" in it, I grabed that piece of paper and still have it. The next year I put the map on the back of my t shirt via iron on and went by the booth, the next year the booth was not there and has not been there since. Im sure its there somewhere, I just havent run across it yet but I admit, I havent tried very hard to find it, I made my point, I am not afraid of them.
To freemasony jesus is the lodge, they are not waiting for a jesus to return.
There are 66 books in the bible, 66 in biblical numerology is IDOL worship, the mother road of America is Route 66, get your kicks. They put the bible together so as to use it, just as the vision Constantine had was all about, conquer using the cross/christian nation. Christians say this was a christian nation and that they have to get it back, it never was and never will be. I really do marvel when they say "God bless America" and "they are proud to be Americans", pride does go before the fall. The "name of the beast" is America and those who have the "name" of the beast are Americans and the flag is the "image" of that beast, it is what it is.
I dont need to hate it to tell the truth about it and I dont take joy in saying these things.
Christianity was borrowed from older religions and as Islam and Freemasonry etc, its part of the chaos.

stompk
03-16-2008, 05:41 AM
My honest opinion is that the society is evil, yes.

Are all members evil. No, but they belong to
an evil society. A secret society

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Shadow
03-16-2008, 10:13 AM
How can you call it evil? What facts do you have?

TheLucifer
03-16-2008, 01:53 PM
How can you call it evil? What facts do you have?


1. Its secret
2. It lies (intentionally misleads) to its own and especially to non masons
3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
4. When a married man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy even unto his wife, effectively breaking his marriage vows, they are no longer one.
5. When a mason marries a woman he swears false vows to her because of his oaths to the lodge.
6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.
7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
8. Male chauvinist, a woman cant be a mason
9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.

Shadow
03-17-2008, 12:03 PM
1. Its secret
2. It lies (intentionally misleads) to its own and especially to non masons
3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
4. When a married man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy even unto his wife, effectively breaking his marriage vows, they are no longer one.
5. When a mason marries a woman he swears false vows to her because of his oaths to the lodge.
6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.
7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
8. Male chauvinist, a woman cant be a mason
9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.


How can you prove any of the above if they are secret?

TheLucifer
03-17-2008, 02:06 PM
How can you prove any of the above if they are secret?

Testimony from those (via books and video) who quit the craft.
Masonic books, some of which, are not intended for public viewing i.e. Morals and Dogma etc.

The Lodge still has secrets yet to get out, to be sure, but much has gotten out.
Some of what I mentioned in the last post is public knowledge, such as women not allowed to become a mason and blacks not being allowed in, and swearing oaths of secrecy.

A mason asked me, "could I respect a man who breaks his oath ?"
That question was in response to me saying how I was seeking truth and that he was denying me of just that.

Spoksmen for Masonry say it is a society that has secrets/secret knowledge.

The word Occult according to Merriam Webster means, "to shut off from view or exposure."

In honesty, that defines the Old Testament (Daniel 12:4, shut up the words) and the New Testament (Revelation 10:4, Seal up those things...uttered) as well as Freemasonry.
The game is as old as the hills.

Real power and honor do not lie in secrecy.
Freemasonry is the master of double speak, to say one thing while meaning something else.
The masters of smoke and mirrors.

Freemasonry says it takes good men and making them better, while it says it intentionally misleads them, The fact is, the vast majority never get beyond the mislead stage.
How is that making them better ??

stompk
03-29-2008, 06:04 AM
I wrote a thread on ATS (i'm banned from that site) about the capital dome representing the entrance to Hades.

Did alot of research for that one
Does the Capital Dome symbolize the entrance to Hades?, page 1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319299/pg1)

Shadow
03-29-2008, 09:54 AM
Apotheosis literaly means "From the gods"

The architects of the capital were trying to pass the message that our nation was above this world. Just as the royal families were supposed to be above mere mortals, our founding fathers were to have concieved our nation from the gods.

Now we have leaders that claim to talk to God. Go figure!

caspar2012
04-01-2008, 05:12 AM
I don't think the masons are evil, but I think there are certainly elements within the group that are connected to other groups that are evil. My best-friends dad was in the Masons and he certainly wasn't evil....but then again he did end up commiting suicide.

Do you think the reason people see these groups as evil is because they're not connected with the church and over time they've tried to discredit these groups and their beliefs as it could destroy everything they believe???

Does anyone know much about the Illuminati - besides what Dan Brown wrote about?? I recently found some group called the Weavers, something to do with Cathars and I think connected to the Freemasons, except much less seems to be known about them.

stompk
04-02-2008, 05:44 AM
Check out William Milton Cooper.

totse.com | Milton Cooper lecture on UFO's (good stuff) (http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/mj_12_the_alien_government_conspiracy/coop_ufo.html)

Very interesting guy, was killed by cops in 2001.

By reading his stuff, I have found a lot of hidden organizations, like Mitre



This issue of The Edge is devoted to MITRE's burgeoning biotechnology effort. Biotechnology is a critical technology that will be a major economic driver in the next decade. It holds out promise for major medical and health breakthroughs, but at the same time it has the potential for devastating destruction in the forms of deliberate or naturally occurring outbreaks of disease, pollution, and bio-contamination.

MITRE - News and Events - MITRE Publications - The Edge - Spring 2005 - Biotechnology (http://www.mitre.org/news/the_edge/spring_05/index.html)

stompk
04-02-2008, 06:09 AM
By William Cooper


I tell you now that Freemasonry is one of the most wicked and terrible organizations upon this earth. The Masons are major players in the struggle for world domination. The 33rd Degree is split into two. One split contains the core of the Luciferian Illuminati and the other contains those who have no knowledge of it whatsoever. ALL of the intelligence officers that I worked for while in Naval Intelligence were Masons.

As I stated before, I believe that my association with the DeMolay Society as a young adult may have been the reason that I was selected for Naval Security and Intelligence. However, that is only a guess. I had intended to go into great detail linking P2, the Prieure de Sion, the Vatican, the CIA, organizations for a United Europe, and the Bilderberg Group. Fortunately, Michael Baigent, Righard Leigh & Henry Lincoln beat me to it. I say fortunately, because they confirm my previous allegation that I published in my paper

"The Secret Government" that the CIA had plants, called moles, deep within the Vatican. You must read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy, both by Baigent, Leigh, & Lincoln. Any reputable bookstore should carry them. Between pages 343 and 361 of The Messianic Legacy you can read of the alliance of power that resulted in a secret world government.

Most members of the Freemasons are not aware that the Illuminati practices what is known as "secrets within secrets," or organizations within organizations- That is one purpose of initiation. I cannot excuse any of the members, however, or anyone who joins a society without knowing everything about the organization is indeed a fool. Only those at the top who have passed every test truly know what the Masons are hiding, thus
rendering it impossible for anyone outside to know much at all about the group.

What does that say about new members or those who are already members but do not know the ultimate secrets? It tells me that fools abound. Unlike authors who out of fear have acted as apologists for the Freemasons, I decline to absolve

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them of responsibility and guilt. The Freemasons, like everyone else, are responsible for the cleanliness of their home. The occupant of a secret house within a secret house within a secret house cannot clean if he cannot see the number of rooms or what they contain. Their house is a stinking cesspool.

Look to the Masons for the guilty party if anything happens to me. I believe that they have murdered in the past and that they will murder in the future. Their goal is to rule the world. The doctrine of this group is not democracy or communism, but is a form of fascism. The doctrine is totalitarian socialism. You must begin to think correctly.

The Illuminati are not Communists, but some Communists are Illuminati. (1) Monarchism (thesis) faced democracy (antithesis) in WWI, which resulted in the formation of communism and the League of Nations (synthesis). (2) Democracy and communism (thesis) faced fascism (antithesis) in WWII and resulted in a more powerful United Nations (synthesis). (3) Capitalism (thesis) now faces communism (antithesis) and the result will be the New World Order, totalitarian socialism (synthesis).

The 1953 report of the California Senate Investigating Committee on Education stated: "So-called modern Communism is apparently the same hypocritical world conspiracy to destroy civilization that was founded by the illuminati, and that raised its head in our colonies here at the critical period before the adoption of our Constitution." The California Senate understood that communism is the work of the Illuminati.

They failed to realize that the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission are also the work of the Illuminati. You MUST begin to think correctly. The enemy is not communism, it is Illuminism. The Communists are not going to be much happier with the New World Order than we.

I hope to show that most modern secret societies and especially those that practice degrees of initiation, and that is the key, are really one society with one purpose. You may call them whatever you wish--the Order of the Quest, the JASON Society, the Roshaniya, the Qabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient and Mystical Order of Rosae Crucis, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rosicrucians, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Open Friendly Secret Society (the Vatican), the Russell Trust, the Skull & Bones, the Scroll & Key, the Order--they are all the same and all work toward the same ultimate goal, a New World Order.

Many of them, however, disagree on exactly who will rule this New World Order, and that is what causes them to sometimes pull in opposite directions while nevertheless proceeding toward the same goal. The Vatican, for instance, wants the Pope to head the world coalition. Some want Lord Maitreya to head the New World Order. Lord Maitreya is the front runner, I believe, since witnesses say he was present on the ship at Malta with Bush, Gorbachev, and the ten regional heads of the New World Order. "Approximately 200 dignitaries from around the world attended a major conference initiated by Maitreya in London on April 21 and 22,1990. Representatives of governments (including the USA), members of royal families, religious leaders and journalists, all of whom had met with Maitreya previously, attended the conference."
Quote from "Prophecy Watch" column of Whole Wheat No. 8, Minneapolis.

Someone has also spent an awful lot of money announcing his presence. The Pope will have to approve him if Maitreya is selected, however, and that would fulfill the Bible prophecy in the Book of Revelation that states that the first beast will be given his power by Rome. If you can interpret Revelation as I can, then you know that the Pope will ultimately win out and will reign as the second beast. In 1952 an alliance was formed, bringing them all together for the first time in history.

The Black Families, the Illuminati (the Order), the Vatican, and the Freemasons now work together to bring about the New World Order. All will protest their innocence and will do everything within their power to destroy anyone who suggests otherwise. I will undoubtedly become a target when this book is published.

muslim4life
04-08-2008, 01:59 PM
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go to youtube then rit hidden messages and listen to the songs play baxkwards.....then reply bak to me.......
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stompk
04-29-2008, 05:17 PM
OK, watched it.

Now what?

Not all Nazi's were evil.
Would I hang out with a Nazi.

Hell no.

TheLucifer
04-29-2008, 06:46 PM
the capital dome representing the entrance to Hades.


stompk very interesting because as I have shown, the Capital bldg is the head of the beast Satan (literally), and it being on Capital Hill (that is the "hill" [as forementioned] that Satan is on, in the temptation story), what you wrote can only make perfect sense.

This place is the center of the world.

"The Capital building represents the Power of this Country in stone."


I appreciate your work/insight.

KennyWally
06-03-2008, 06:55 PM
Stompk, I have read up on this case of McMartin Pre-School abuse case. You have to be a christian to belive this, I even read that the kids have seen witches fly? They were flushed down toilets, went thru pipes and ended up in a secret satanic underground place were they were molested? I also read that the tunnels were old pre-world war tunnels, filled up with all sorts of crap. Even kids now grown up tell that they were told, that they were doing the right thing in telling this. That they were good kids, and by so lead in many ways to keep on telling tales. This is very similar to the case we had in Norway, were investigators and parents set their minds into making kids tell lies....... Now, were is the conspiracy about these kinda hoaxes? Thats your mindcontroll, my friend.



Pardon me for barging in here...


Not MINDcontrol, but INFORMATION CONTROL.

Don't take my word for it, but the "false memory syndrome center"...was cia.

Even if I didn't believe that, and I'm sure you don't. I don't believe anything major

is the way it is portrayed on teevee.

If you can't see the mass manipulation, you are either blind or a liar. I don't know which. And I don't care either.

I have lots of fodder for what I know and what I believe...here is some of it;

Amazon.com: Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press: Kristina Borjesson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Into-Buzzsaw-Leading-Journalists-Expose/dp/1591022304/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212540835&sr=1-1)

battlemind (http://www.dicksutphen.com/html/battlemind.html)

WAR IS A RACKET - Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm)

Amazon.com: Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq: Stephen Kinzer: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212513448&sr=1-1)

Amazon.com: The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War: Thomas Dilorenzo: Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761526463/ref=s9subs_c2_at1-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=122XW91KHA7XK0274EDQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240301&pf_rd_i=507846)



all that and lots more tells me, we've been lied to and manipulated all along.

And belief in those lies by decent folk is considered brainwashing to me.



Anyways I heard from a retired law enforcement man that mcmartin was real

and was covered up.

But you go ahead and believe the liars who are controlled by the corporations, you'll probably sleep better.

BlueAngel
06-03-2008, 07:19 PM
Pardon me for barging in here...


Not MINDcontrol, but INFORMATION CONTROL.

Don't take my word for it, but the "false memory syndrome center"...was cia.

Even if I didn't believe that, and I'm sure you don't. I don't believe anything major

is the way it is portrayed on teevee.

If you can't see the mass manipulation, you are either blind or a liar. I don't know which. And I don't care either.

I have lots of fodder for what I know and what I believe...here is some of it;

Amazon.com: Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press: Kristina Borjesson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Into-Buzzsaw-Leading-Journalists-Expose/dp/1591022304/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212540835&sr=1-1)

battlemind (http://www.dicksutphen.com/html/battlemind.html)

WAR IS A RACKET - Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm)

Amazon.com: Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq: Stephen Kinzer: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212513448&sr=1-1)

Amazon.com: The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War: Thomas Dilorenzo: Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761526463/ref=s9subs_c2_at1-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=122XW91KHA7XK0274EDQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240301&pf_rd_i=507846)



all that and lots more tells me, we've been lied to and manipulated all along.

And belief in those lies by decent folk is considered brainwashing to me.



Anyways I heard from a retired law enforcement man that mcmartin was real

and was covered up.

But you go ahead and believe the liars who are controlled by the corporations, you'll probably sleep better.


Yes, the McMartin case was real, as far as I'm concerned and covered-up.

Children are the most TRUTHFUL people on the face of the planet.

And, Pamela Feyd(?) who is on the board of the American Psychiatric Association is a CIA operative who contrived the false memory syndrome "label" for mind control victims and all other who were recalling repressed memories.

Check it out.

I believe her daughter accused her parents of some sort of abuse.

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:12 PM
the hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:17 PM
:Dthe hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:22 PM
the hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

ice
07-02-2008, 09:02 AM
but ? are the masons evil ?

most poeple who just sit back and do nothing , are evil !

infact ? it is a strong conviction of mine , that since there are only a few that make the world bad place up top , and generally most of man kind is full of mid-fence sitters who claim they cant do anything to justify why they dont do anything , and only a hand full of poeple who search the truth who are concidered wiered , or strange , but actually do something about it ,

raises me to theconclusion that the most reason why , we have this spiritual famin and evil pestilance , is because those we call polotitions , make polocies , these polotcies are made for the masses , who ? do nothing about it , there fore , the masses are to blame for this sick twisted planet because they do everything to accept it in their minds and life , but also do everything to make sure , that they do othing about it .

are the freemasons evil ? probarbly !!

are the masses evil ? yes they are !

we are what we do !
actons speek louder than words .
all truth is its own evidance !

TheLucifer
07-02-2008, 01:08 PM
but ? are the masons evil ?

most poeple who just sit back and do nothing , are evil !

infact ? it is a strong conviction of mine , that since there are only a few that make the world bad place up top , and generally most of man kind is full of mid-fence sitters who claim they cant do anything to justify why they dont do anything , and only a hand full of poeple who search the truth who are concidered wiered , or strange , but actually do something about it ,

raises me to theconclusion that the most reason why , we have this spiritual famin and evil pestilance , is because those we call polotitions , make polocies , these polotcies are made for the masses , who ? do nothing about it , there fore , the masses are to blame for this sick twisted planet because they do everything to accept it in their minds and life , but also do everything to make sure , that they do othing about it .

are the freemasons evil ? probarbly !!

are the masses evil ? yes they are !

we are what we do !
actons speek louder than words .
all truth is its own evidance !


Yes, there are those who perpetrate wickedness (the few) and there are those who allow it (the many).

The Bible says people are willingly ignorant, they choose to be stupid, and also says the people perish for the lack of knowledge.

People are also waxed fat, which means I am comfortable, dont rock my boat, turning a blind eye towards others wickedness and suffering.

"By the people for the people" is something I consider in different ways.
The questions one needs ask is, by what people for what people ?, and, in what way for what way ? (there are only two ways from which to choose one, good or bad).


I think about the Bible story where the people want the good guy crucified while wanting the bad guy set free.

The story about people being more wicked in the end times (now) than before the flood, (here's the good news) or ever will be.


Is this all by chance ?
Or is there orchestration ?

I say that we are in that short season in which Satan is released, and that that season is almost over.

Good times are just ahead, for mankind, though I wont be seeing it, I can see it.

ice
07-02-2008, 02:18 PM
TheLucifer ?

i used to be much of a faith man , although at one time i was a born again Christian .
until i learned , under no cercumstances are christians suposed to pray to him ,ie jesus , but to god only . ie , praying to jesus is a satanic mind trick of idolising .
anyway to side step from that , last night , after 15 year of rebellion , and almost finishing 5 years work on how religion imprisons free thought and practices ignorance , i changed my mind again !

i am now , seriously concidering , altering much of my book before i get it published . it is the "right thing to do !" especially after a rescent event .

anyway , also getting away from that ,

Luther King ; and i quote ,

he who passively accepts evil is as much involved with it as those who perpatrate it . he who accepts evil with out protesting against it , is really co-operating with it !


logan pearsall smith ;

it is amongst poeple who think no evil , that evil can flourish without fear.


this one will say it all

Edna st vincent millay

evil alone has oil for every wheel .


yes ! our masses are to blame for our world sickness , not so much our leaders .
there are enough of our masses to protest ! so why dont they ? after all polotitions make polocies , for those , they govern . they only make polocies , it is the actions and inactions of the masses , that commit the acts and do nothing about it !

we surely are at the ass edge of hell in these days . thaks to our masses ignorance , fear . poverish back stabbing system loving ridicule , and stupendousely profound vanity !quite frankly , i dont feel sorry for them . also if it is realy near the end ? hhhhhhoooooooooooooorrrrrraaaaaaaaay !

im not a person who wants poeple to perish .
i am a person who wants poeple to reap what they sewe ! thats all !

Ban Freekmasons
07-03-2008, 08:57 AM
Well done Stompk, 10 out of 10 for this post. See how the Masons all have something to say from behind the curtains. If it's such a good, charitable fraternity ? why do they all hide and deny membership ?

ice
07-03-2008, 09:32 AM
because as usuall , they have something to hide !

Ozziecynic
07-28-2008, 06:24 AM
If there is something smelly and shadowy about it, its christianity with its history. Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps.
:cool:Your plain wrong there Hitler was very much into the occult secret society thing as were many high ranking men of his time. True he may not have been a Freemason however he was part of a theosphist spin off known as the "Thule Society" an occult Order this where Hitler sourced many of his Nazis ideas including the Aryan master race thing from Blatavatskys writings like the "Secret Doctrine" also a favourite of some Masonic orders.Whether hitler encouraged or hated freemasonry is a mute point because his ideals were inspired by occult ideals with the same source as Freemasonry in Gnosticism, Qabalism and other mystery pagan religions of antiquity. I have studied this subject well so your not dealing with fool in my case. It will take little more to pull the wool over my eyes if your still around mate!.:cool:

stompk
10-12-2008, 09:55 AM
:cool:Your plain wrong there Hitler was very much into the occult secret society thing as were many high ranking men of his time. True he may not have been a Freemason however he was part of a theosphist spin off known as the "Thule Society" an occult Order this where Hitler sourced many of his Nazis ideas including the Aryan master race thing from Blatavatskys writings like the "Secret Doctrine" also a favourite of some Masonic orders.Whether hitler encouraged or hated freemasonry is a mute point because his ideals were inspired by occult ideals with the same source as Freemasonry in Gnosticism, Qabalism and other mystery pagan religions of antiquity. I have studied this subject well so your not dealing with fool in my case. It will take little more to pull the wool over my eyes if your still around mate!.:cool:

This is the most intelligent thing you've said in this thread.

What part of 'the Queen is head of all of these societies' do you not understand.

Do you work for her directly?

BlueAngel
10-12-2008, 02:53 PM
This is the most intelligent thing you've said in this thread.

What part of 'the Queen is head of all of these societies' do you not understand.

Do you work for her directly?

Do you seriously believe that the Queen and/or any one person can be the head of every society, etc., that are a part of the secret government?

If so, I suggest you rethink your position.

Ozziecynic
10-13-2008, 05:44 AM
Do you work for her directly?

HAHAH your a funny guy!! You should come downunder sometime and throw those anti monarchist ideas around and see how far you get!.
Not everywhere is like the US you know!. Remeber thats the Union Jack there we have in the corner of that Aussie flag not only the aussie flag, the Nz flag as well. Not to forget all the coat arms we have for various states and territories and most civic bodies with the english crown adorning them including our armed forces whom seem to share a particular qaint relationship with her old crusty highness :D

Btw if you are larouche man then i supppose your kicking at the fact that Ronny Paul come along & nabbed all your impressionable conspiracy voters in middle america. I realise that Lyndon Larouche was the ronny paul of the 1970s or 80s however his heyday is long gone and so is yours by the looks of it!.:rolleyes:

stompk
10-13-2008, 07:39 PM
You should come downunder sometime and throw those anti monarchist ideas around and see how far you get!


You underestimate me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/w2ehoi.jpg

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 01:57 AM
If you call doing charity for kids and making good men into better men evil, then something is totally wrong here.

BlueAngel
10-15-2008, 07:09 AM
If you call doing charity for kids and making good men into better men evil, then something is totally wrong here.

What types of CHILDREN's CHARITIES are the Freemason's involved with?

How does Freemasonry make good men into better men?

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 10:40 AM
The Shriners do a lot of charity for kids, Shriners have to be Masons first ;) In IL, we do ILCHIP which is IL Child ID Program where we give free search and rescue packets to folks for their kids. There are all kinds.

Masons make good standing men into better men through fellowship and brotherhood and charity. I love being able to come around fellow brothers who dont judge me or think I am a goat sacraficing illuminati ;)

BlueAngel
10-15-2008, 10:54 AM
The Shriners do a lot of charity for kids, Shriners have to be Masons first ;) In IL, we do ILCHIP which is IL Child ID Program where we give free search and rescue packets to folks for their kids. There are all kinds.

Masons make good standing men into better men through fellowship and brotherhood and charity. I love being able to come around fellow brothers who dont judge me or think I am a goat sacraficing illuminati ;)

Just curious.

What is a search and rescue packet and which folks require this?

What is the first step in becomming a freemason?

You said one must be a Shriner before becomming a freemason.

What is a Shriner and how does one become a Shriner?

It's the CHILDREN's CHARITY part I'm having difficulty with because, you know, when a group/organization does charity work for children, you certainly aren't suppose to criticize them, eh?

That would be like saying the majority of the folks who control the world are Zionist Jews.

Don't criticize the JEWS cause they were persecuted.

Well, actually, sacrificed by the zionists.

This is an all male organization, Freemason, right?

There again, the reason I have a problem with the Children's Charity work.

Besides passing out search and rescue packets, what other children's charity do the Freemason's involve themselves with?

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 11:04 AM
What is a search and rescue packet and which folks require this?

We take DNA, a photo, some clothing (for S&R K9s) and stuff like that to help Law Enforcement search for your child if they go missing. All of this is provided FREE for parents and there are snacks and drinks at the events which is also free.

What is the first step in becomming a freemason?

Crack this super-secret Masonic code, lol: 2B1ASK1

You said one must be a Shriner before becomming a freemason.

What is a Shriner and how does one become a Shriner?

Yes I did.

It's the CHILDREN's CHARITY part I'm having difficulty with because, you know, when a group/organization does charity work for children, you certainly aren't suppose to criticize them, eh?

Huh? Over here in IL, we also have a Masonic Home for Kids, orphan kids.

That would be like saying the majority of the folks who control the world are Zionist Jews.

LOL. This is sounding like that divinci code movie :p

Don't criticize the JEWS cause they were persecuted.

Who did this? Not me...

This is an all male organization, Freemason, right?

Yes. We are a Fraternity, remember, Fraternity is for Males. Sority for females.

There again, the reason I have a problem with the Children's Charity work.

I do not understand, please be more specific.

Besides passing out search and rescue packets, what other children's charity do the Freemason's involve themselves with?

All sorts. The best thing to do is google "Masonic Charities" and look on the 1000s and 1000s of Lodge sites to view various charities for Kids. :) Hospitals, Homes, CHIP gigs, even providing bicycles to poorer schoolage kids.

BlueAngel
10-15-2008, 06:05 PM
What is the first step in becomming a Freemason?

What is a Shriner and how does one become such?

An organization such as Freemasonry, if engaging in illegal activities, can attempt to appear to be honorable by connecting themselves to CHILDREN's charities.

Who would criticize that?

I mean, helping children.

What could be better?

As I said, I have a problem with a MALE fraternity that only provides charity to children.

You'd have to know a little bit about me to understand my concern.

Yikes.

A masonic home for kids/orphans.

Mind controllers prey on orphans and they are often times used for experimentation and other illegal purposes.

The less fortuntate.

You didn't criticize the Jews.

I was making an analogy about how a group/organization who may be engaged in criminal activities can mask this by connecting themselves to charitable work.

They HELP children, so we should, therefore, not condem this brotherhood.

(i.e., don't criticize the JEWS because they've been persecuted all of their lives.)

Maybe a bad analogy, however;

to continue;

Yes I know you are a fraternity and a fraternity is for males.

I just wanted a direct answer from you and you provided the same.

ALL MALES who seem to concentrate all of their charitable efforts on children.

Therein lies ONE problem with Freemasonry, IMO.

kruzzen
10-16-2008, 03:46 AM
Maybe someone else can help you. You just keep repeating questions and saying off the wall stuff LOL, almost like a BOT...

Ozziecynic
10-16-2008, 05:22 AM
Maybe someone else can help you. You just keep repeating questions and saying off the wall stuff LOL, almost like a BOT...

In regards to why the profane dont like Freemasons it is due to just the fact that you consider most of us to be little more than cattle or lambs to the slaughter.
The Freemasonic doctrine towards the profane which i have read in various places is no different from the jewish talmud and its attitude towards gentiles.
Infact most that have spilt beans Freemasonry and spread anti masonic propaganda are actually cowans eg OFF members etc. I am sure you get my drift, just about every single source of anti sentiment starts with a disgruntled ex member every single one.
You and his worshipfulness in this forum could actually make a start on the road toward reconciliation with yours truly at least by answering my questions addressed to Masons when i ask them like the one in:"Are masons Monotheists thread." Or is that too much to ask.:confused:

BlueAngel
10-16-2008, 07:56 AM
Maybe someone else can help you. You just keep repeating questions and saying off the wall stuff LOL, almost like a BOT...

Actually, I don't need help.

I repeated two questions to you because YOU DIDN'T answer the first time.

No off the wall stuff, pal.

Just observations.

I'm sure you GET it.

No need to play dumb.

kruzzen
10-16-2008, 02:09 PM
To be a Mason ask a Mason, we don't recruit ;)

BlueAngel
10-16-2008, 06:08 PM
To be a Mason ask a Mason, we don't recruit ;)

HUH?

I'm not looking to be recruited.

You said you were a Mason and, therefore, I'm asking YOU what one needs to do to become a Shriner because, you said, all Freemasons have to be Shriners and, I'm asking YOU, what one needs to do to become a FREEMASON.

Simple questions that you don't seem to want to answer.

You came to this site proclaiming that you were sure we would all be interested in you because you're a Freemason.

Not all that interesting, IMO.

kruzzen
10-17-2008, 06:45 AM
LOL, whatever...

To be a Mason, you have to petition for it and get sponsored by Masons. Then you get voted on, if you pass that, then you go through 3 degrees to become a full Mason. There is no higher degree in which you are fuller than 3rd. Sorry for not explaining that part. I see where you could have been annoyed by it. My apologies...

BlueAngel
10-17-2008, 09:30 AM
LOL, whatever...

To be a Mason, you have to petition for it and get sponsored by Masons. Then you get voted on, if you pass that, then you go through 3 degrees to become a full Mason. There is no higher degree in which you are fuller than 3rd. Sorry for not explaining that part. I see where you could have been annoyed by it. My apologies...

LOL, whatever...

It was you who was annoyed and not me.

KSigMason
10-22-2008, 08:28 PM
REALLY LONG POST AHEAD!

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.
Now that's new to me since you have to be religious to join. Also, when you join the York Rite you have to be a Christian to petition.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.
And yet there is no conclusive evidence of Baphomet attached to the Freemasons. Plus, if you use the ATBASH cipher, Baphomet translates into Sophia.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?
Uh...cause the meetings are secret? Duh.

Do I think they are sacrificing children? I don't know for sure, but they seem to concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.
That's just the Shriners. The York Rite I believe does occular research. The Scottish Rite gives to another charity, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

I don't need proof. I simply plant the seed.
That's a little reckless. Planting the seed of hate and fear. It's people like you planting false lies to push the people against the Freemasons.

Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.
Here's an article I wrote on the Seal. Plus I should note that back in the day, books of symbols were used commonly so it's not entirely impossible that some symbols were used commonly.

I've decided to start a thread where I'll post some conspiracies and I'll post my beliefs/thoughts on the subject:

ONE DOLLAR BILL

THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/Great_Seal_of_the_US.jpghttp://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/USA_Great_Seal_Reverse.jpg

Let us start with the Great Seal. Conspirators try to point out that Masons designed it, but what they don't realize it that Ben Franklin was only on the 1st committee. There were a few more committees that didn't include any Masons.

Let's start with the the hidden anagram. If you look at the 13-stars above the Eagles head you are able to draw a 6-pointed star (Star of David). Then take that star and place it over the disc with the pyramid and all-seeing eye. Five of the points point toward the letters: A, S, N, O, and M. Switch them around and you get 'MASON'. Many conspirators believe this "definitively" proves the Masons have their hand in the making of the One Dollar Bill and from that the government. I personally think this is folly. It's the same argument conspirators use to say Masons designed the roads in Washington DC.

The Eagle. There are a couple things I have heard about the Eagle on the bill: a) it's really a Phoenix and b) the Eagle connects Freemasonry to the Egyptian god Aman-Ra. To start out, Ben Franklin originally wanted a Turkey to be the American bird. He believed it be a courageous bird. As for the Phoenix twist, I have yet to see the Phoenix in any of my ceremonies. Nor do we have a connection to the Egyptian sun god Aman-Ra. Some point out the whole All-Seeing Eye is the Eye of Ra, but I'll get to that later. Some point out that the wings have 32-feathers on one wing and 33-feathers on another. I believe this to be a spectacular coincidence and not some connection to the Scottish Rite. The American Bald Eagles seemed like a symbol for strength and freedom, thus the reason it was picked.

E Pluribus Unum is not often used as a conspiracy support, but lets cover it. Out of Many, One. It refers to one nation created out of many individual states. That's it.

Let's jump to the other disc. At the top is written, Annuit Coeptis: God has favored our undertaking. At the bottom is written, Novus Ordo Seclorum: New Order of the Ages, though conspiracy theorists say it means "New World Order. Conspirators say that the two phrases taken together means "God has favored this New World Order". But anyone who has the smallest knowledge of Latin would know it really says "New Order of the Ages".

To a very familiar symbol to all the Craft, the All-Seeing Eye. A very "damning" piece of evidence for the conspiracy, supposedly. While the All-Seeing Eye is frequently used in Freemasonry this symbol is also used and has been used in mainstream religions with the same meaning; God.

As for the pyramid, I have heard from the same "Egyptian mythology" conspirators that the pyramid is where Masons are initiated. Masons know otherwise.

At the base of the pyramid are some plants. Some say it is the acasia which certainly would be a symbol of Freemasonry. While it seems too small to depict, it would be very funny if it was an acasia.

Let's play the number game. The theory is that the number 13 is a number held in high esteem by Masons. I laugh because while 13 is used every on the dollar bill it couldn't possibly be a reference to the original 13-colonies.

MASONS ARE SATANISTS

Albert Pike, a Confederate General, author, and well-known Freemason scribed the famous Masonic book, "Morals and Dogma". Inside this book the following passage is cited:

[QUOTE]Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!

For semantics sake, many people don't realize that Biblical scholars still argue over the fact that Lucifer may not be Satan since the only reference to Lucifer is in Isaiah:

Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Also, in Roman mythology was the name of the morning star, commonly known as the planet Venus. The morning star preceded the sun (light) of the day.

Also, here is quite an interesting verse:

Revelation 22:16 - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Most masonic temples have tours, go on one. You wont be able to see everything, but pretty much every room is covered.
Yeah, I give tours all the time to people who come up. I'm surprised to see how many women come up and bring there boyfriends.

Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps.
Hamas even refers to the Freemasons in their charter.

Hitler was a Mason for a period.
Can you post a link proving this? I can only remember the Lodges in Germany being dissolved after Hitler took power. Going off-topic for a sec: the Grand Lodge of Idaho was the first Masonic body to denounce Hitler and his actions against the Jewish people. We still keep in relations with Fiat Lux Lodge (which merged with another Lodge recently).

MUSLIM4LIFE, would you be surprised to know that there are Muslims in Freemasonry? I know personally there were Lodges in Iraq until Saddam had them destroyed, but now they are popping back up.

To freemasony jesus is the lodge, they are not waiting for a jesus to return.
LMAO! LOL! That one made me laugh.

1. Its secret
Which means nothing of good and evil. Secrecy doesn't necessarily mean bad.

3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
And how do you know this? Oaths of Freemasons do not intrude onto our lives with family, country, or God...it appertains to Freemasonry only.

4. & 5. are you personal opinion only

6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.

7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
Not true, my Lodge has several black men in it. Back in the late 18th, early 19th century this may have been true, but Prince Hall started a branch of Freemasonry and by tradition it still survives, but Freemaonry accepts black men into all bodies.

9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
Again false. I am a disabled (knee) veteran and a Past Master of my Lodge is blind and works at the State house for the Blind committee.

10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.
Not true. I do wonder how you get your information, but your username sure speaks volumes and gives me ideas.

I'm asking YOU what one needs to do to become a Shriner because, you said, all Freemasons have to be Shriners and, I'm asking YOU, what one needs to do to become a FREEMASON.
Actually, you have to be a Freemason first before you can be a Shriner. Once you get your 3rd deg Master Mason you can then petition with the Shriners.

moriahmountaineer
10-23-2008, 11:16 AM
You underestimate me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/w2ehoi.jpg

Damn! They DO look similar!

That proves it...

Darth Cacodaemon
03-26-2009, 01:57 PM
Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.


Source: Great Seal secrets revealed! - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_great_seal_myths_3)

That was awfully nice of them to come out of the closet and explain.

Thing their not watching these conspiracy forums?

Huh Delta, huh Shadow?

Well done! We are pleased by your actions. My Master needs more faithful servants such as yourself to aid us in our war.
Do not be discouraged, my friend. You will be rewarded when the war is won and my Master establishes His Empire here on Earth. Great will be your reward from my master should you hold fast and remain faithful.

KSigMason
03-29-2009, 01:29 AM
Well done! We are pleased by your actions. My Master needs more faithful servants such as yourself to aid us in our war.
Do not be discouraged, my friend. You will be rewarded when the war is won and my Master establishes His Empire here on Earth. Great will be your reward from my master should you hold fast and remain faithful.
And who is your Master?

BlueAngel
04-04-2009, 11:25 PM
And who is your Master?

Who is your master?

KSigMason
04-05-2009, 11:40 PM
Who is your master?
Almighty God.

BlueAngel
04-05-2009, 11:46 PM
Almighty God.

Interesting.

What does the Almighty God tell you?

To worship Freemasons?

I think your masters are those within Freemasonry to whom you are subservient and not GOD.

Just a guess.

But, I think I'm right.

BlueAngel
04-05-2009, 11:49 PM
Almighty God.

Hey, KSigMason, what's happening in the world of Freemasonry?

BlueAngel
04-05-2009, 11:53 PM
I believe the majority of people in masonry get involved for friendship and belonging to a fraternal organization.

But, I feel that the Mason's are a tool for the takeover by Baphomet.

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?

People like Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley have influenced the "craft" into a tool of the son of Satan, Baphomet.

Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.

And much good can come out of them. But they are masking a much more sinister operation, IMO.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIZGYlT1PEU&rel
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/djr88iv1FmQ&rel
Notice how the big guy comes out to intimidate them. He get's turned around by their sincere and polite questioning.

You see, the Masons are the suckers on the tentacles of the Octopus.

Very interesting observation, Stompk.

Excerpt:

"Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities."

Yeah.

I'll second that.

KSigMason
04-06-2009, 11:09 PM
Interesting.

What does the Almighty God tell you?

To worship Freemasons?

I think your masters are those within Freemasonry to whom you are subservient and not GOD.

Just a guess.

But, I think I'm right.
Almighty God tells me to live the good life. No actually Freemasonry teaches me to worship the God of my Faith; for me its the Christian God.

No offense, but you thought wrong.

BlueAngel
04-07-2009, 09:54 PM
Almighty God tells me to live the good life. No actually Freemasonry teaches me to worship the God of my Faith; for me its the Christian God.

No offense, but you thought wrong.

Why do you need Freemasonry to teach you to worship the God of your Faith?

You can't make this decision of your own accord?

KSigMason
04-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Hey, KSigMason, what's happening in the world of Freemasonry?
Not much right now. We've had an influx in membership. We've already surpassed last years total of new members.

Why do you need Freemasonry to teach you to worship the God of your Faith?

You can't make this decision of your own accord?
Freemasonry didn't need to to teach me to have faith, but they support every member to worship in their own way. It unites men of every faith into a group, but doesn't push for one religion over another.

Leonardo
04-10-2009, 10:29 AM
I have never personally met a freemason who is anything but an half-educated idiot filled with cornhusk sophistry.

I'm not just saying this, I really believe it. Masons are a bunch of arrogant ignorati. On the one hand they will tell you that they have nothing to do with Illuminati and then they will spew out Luciferian based philosophy while believing themselves to be 'Christian' and even go to some half-baked evangelical church on Sunday and are so dense and deceived they can't even tell the difference anymore.

Passive aggresive, quasi-elitist, skulking secretive losers..

They are so owned, man. I would feel sorry for them if they weren't so contemptable.

The funniest and most tragic thing about a freemason from the common mold is that they actually believe themselves to be accomplished individuals. Most of the time they are in truth flakes who enjoy having their ego stroked and will quite literally do anyone's bidding on any issue or task if they believe that individual or group to be in a position to raise there nebulous social status.

And when they get this attainment of the 33 degree or what not, WHO CARES? You know what a 33 degree mason represents to me? An initiated Idiot.

KSigMason
04-10-2009, 02:24 PM
I have never personally met a freemason who is anything but an half-educated idiot filled with cornhusk sophistry.
You think that because they don't adhere to your thinking. Opposing thought is not ignorance.

The funniest and most tragic thing about a freemason from the common mold is that they actually believe themselves to be accomplished individuals.
Sounds like jealousy to me...

There have been many accomplished men who were Masons, but being a noted person is not required to be in the Masons. We are taught that it is the internal, not the external that recommend a man to become a Mason.

Leonardo
04-10-2009, 03:11 PM
Enjoy your boyscout merrit badges, KingSig.

KSigMason
04-11-2009, 04:40 AM
Enjoy your boyscout merrit badges, KingSig.
Already did the Boy Scouts, but never got my Eagle Scout.

Boy Scouts and Masons are two entirely different groups. Having been in both I can vouch for that.

Leonardo
04-11-2009, 08:29 PM
What most masons will never know is that there is one other degree even higher than the 33rd, which is the 33rd and 1/2. The token of this degree is a badge that is only granted to the Fraternal Order of the Sacred Cowbell.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/noisepollution/cowbell%20merit%20badge%20(Custom).gif

The ritual of the ritualistic rite consists of the Order dressed in black robes with white spots chanting Blue Oyster Cult lyrics backwards while beating on cowbells.

KSigMason
04-11-2009, 08:59 PM
What most masons will never know is that there is one other degree even higher than the 33rd, which is the 33rd and 1/2. The token of this degree is a badge that is only granted to the Fraternal Order of the Sacred Cowbell.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/noisepollution/cowbell%20merit%20badge%20%28Custom%29.gif

The ritual of the ritualistic rite consists of the Order dressed in black robes with white spots chanting Blue Oyster Cult lyrics backwards while beating on cowbells.
ROFL! Good one. :D

I have a FEVER!

stompk
04-26-2009, 06:53 AM
Already did the Boy Scouts, but never got my Eagle Scout.

Boy Scouts and Masons are two entirely different groups. Having been in both I can vouch for that.

Please. The boy scouts are part of the pyramid. A stepping stone.

The truth never has secrets.

KSigMason
04-27-2009, 12:36 AM
Please. The boy scouts are part of the pyramid. A stepping stone.

The truth never has secrets.
Yeah, there is no Boy Scout - Masonic connection; two separate groups.

stompk
04-27-2009, 06:19 PM
Ever hear of the order of the arrow?
Official National Order of the Arrow Web Site (http://www.oa-bsa.org/)

They meet in lodges
They hold rituals


The dramatic induction ceremonies developed for the "Order of the Arrow", as the fledgling honor society was soon dubbed, indeed proved to have a strong influence on scouts. Even today, these rites make a lasting impression on those who have been elected to the "Order of the Arrow".

As the OA continued to develop in the early years, others further embellished the ceremonies with characters from James Fenimore Cooper's "Last of the Mohicans", along with the addition of some Masonic-like rituals. A similarity between certain aspects of OA and Masonic ceremonies is not surprising, since Goodman and Edson were themselves Masons, as were others who had a prominent role at the time in further development of OA ceremonies.

The History of the Order of the Arrow and its Founder, E. Urner Goodman (http://www.atlascom.us/urner.htm)

KSigMason
04-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Doesn't make them a part of the Masonic Family.

Mintwithahole.
07-08-2009, 08:39 AM
I always hear how masons are christian?
I wonder then if there's any proof in the fact that a christian mason has to break 5 of the 10 commandments to proceed through to the 1st degree initiation. . . Doesn't sound very christian like to me!

KSigMason
07-08-2009, 10:08 AM
I always hear how masons are christian?
I wonder then if there's any proof in the fact that a christian mason has to break 5 of the 10 commandments to proceed through to the 1st degree initiation. . . Doesn't sound very christian like to me!
And which ones would those be?

I am the Lord thy God, ... Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Freemasons are taught to worship their own God as their own and no other Brother is forced to worship another's God. Since we have so many men of different faiths we use one name as a generic term. There are two things in the Lodge we are forbidden to talk about: religion and politics.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
And we don't. If you are going to say the Square and Compass is a graven image you are reaching.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
And we don't.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
We don't meet on Sundays with exception of the York Rite which holds special meetings for Christmas and Easter observance.

Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.

Not sure how this could be done.

Thou shalt not kill.
We haven't killed anyone since the 70s.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
We are actually taught to prevent this and not commit adultery.

Thou shalt not steal.
We are taught to be good citizens and that includes not breaking the laws.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
To be good and true is the first lesson we are taught in Freemasonry.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Not sure how this is broken.

Mintwithahole.
07-08-2009, 10:35 AM
It's commandment 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9. which apparently have to be broken.
Also explain this to me if you're really christian, god fearing folk.

"A considerable amount of excision was necessitated by the alteration of the clause in the masonic constitution which changed masonry from a christian to a non christian basis."

The Higher Degree Handbook. p25.
JSM Ward. 33degree mason.

Non christian basis? Doesn't sound much like you are christian to me. . .

KSigMason
07-08-2009, 11:50 AM
It's commandment 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9. which apparently have to be broken.
Also explain this to me if you're really christian, god fearing folk.

"A considerable amount of excision was necessitated by the alteration of the clause in the masonic constitution which changed masonry from a christian to a non christian basis."

The Higher Degree Handbook. p25.
JSM Ward. 33degree mason.

Non christian basis? Doesn't sound much like you are christian to me. . .
Freemasonry holds no religion as it's religion. You just have to be religious to join. As we cannot be secular or be particular to any certain religion we moved to a non-denomination basis.

I talked about the Commandments in my previous post.

Leonardo
07-15-2009, 06:58 PM
So basically what you are saying is that Freemasonry takes religious people and changes them into non-religious people.

KSigMason
07-16-2009, 02:33 PM
So basically what you are saying is that Freemasonry takes religious people and changes them into non-religious people.
That's not what I said at all. We are taught to each worship our creator in our own way. The Lodge is not the place to talk about secular religion as we are made up of members of different faiths. Freemasonry ensures tolerance of the religions so no discord occurs; respect for one another's views.

BlueAngel
07-16-2009, 10:22 PM
That's not what I said at all. We are taught to each worship our creator in our own way. The Lodge is not the place to talk about secular religion as we are made up of members of different faiths. Freemasonry ensures tolerance of the religions so no discord occurs; respect for one another's views.

Boy, those Freemason elders have taught you well.

They've taught you that outside of the lodge, you can tolerate all religions so no discord occurs and to have respect for other's views.

Too bad your own INTELLIGENCE couldn't teach you this and that you needed to become a Freemason in order to obtain this knowledge.

Thou shall not judge.

It's written in the bible, but you needed to become a Freemason to learn this.

And you're what religion?

You know the bible from front to back, but the words, "Thou shall not judge," never resonated with you until your Freemason elders taught you to become tolerable.

You sound like a person who can't think for themselves.

BlueAngel
07-16-2009, 10:58 PM
KSigMason, obviously, you have relinquished your brain to to the Freemason elders who tell you how to think, act and behave.

It's called mind control.

You appear to be HELPLESS without Freemasonry.

It's called mind control.

I think it's time you do some soul searching without the influence of others.

Regain your brain and think for yourself.

It's called MIND CONTROL, pal, and you are complicit in allowing others to manipulate and tell you how to think, act and behave.

It's called mind control.

Kindly remove yourself from your connections to Freemasonry and tell us what YOU think and not what THEY want you to think.

Leonardo
07-17-2009, 12:42 AM
That's not what I said at all. We are taught to each worship our creator in our own way. The Lodge is not the place to talk about secular religion as we are made up of members of different faiths. Freemasonry ensures tolerance of the religions so no discord occurs; respect for one another's views.

You mean respect for Luciferian unreligion like Thelema to which Ordo Illuminati swears allegience when they place their hand on the Book of the Law?

What do you mean?

Do you even know what you mean?

Do you mean anything?

KSigMason
08-03-2009, 07:46 PM
They've taught you that outside of the lodge, you can tolerate all religions so no discord occurs and to have respect for other's views.

Too bad your own INTELLIGENCE couldn't teach you this and that you needed to become a Freemason in order to obtain this knowledge.
I didn't need the Freemasons to know this, but it's a rule in the Lodge.

And you're what religion?
I am Christian, but as I said I didn't need the Freemasons. It's just one more thing I like about them...tolerance. Something many here don't quite grasp.

KSigMason, obviously, you have relinquished your brain to to the Freemason elders who tell you how to think, act and behave.
Nope, in fact I'm the one who sets the precedent in the Lodge, which run themselves, as the Grand Lodge really only meets once a year.

Many of you are under the impression that I just walked into the Freemasons blindly without doing an ounce of research. I've looked at all the crap you all have. I read books, I looked at sites, I talked with people (for and against), and when I was ready I chose to join. I left the Mormon church because they tried to run my life. I chose to take the position I was elected to so I could leave my mark, not so I could be ran like some puppet.


You mean respect for Luciferian unreligion like Thelema to which Ordo Illuminati swears allegience when they place their hand on the Book of the Law?

What do you mean?

Do you even know what you mean?

Do you mean anything?
What I said isn't a hard concept.

BlueAngel
08-03-2009, 09:00 PM
I didn't need the Freemasons to know this, but it's a rule in the Lodge.

A rule? How lovely.

I am Christian, but as I said I didn't need the Freemasons. It's just one more thing I like about them...tolerance. Something many here don't quite grasp.

Many of us here have demonstrated that we grasp the concept of tolerance because we TOLERATE you and have tolerated much more. So, your statement would be INCORRECT.



I prefer to think outside of the box, but, in this case, my comments are contained inside the box.

KSigMason
08-03-2009, 11:09 PM
A rule? How lovely.

Many of us here have demonstrated that we grasp the concept of tolerance because we TOLERATE you and have tolerated much more. So, your statement would be INCORRECT.
Do you think rules bad?

You tolerate me because you have to, I have broken no rules so the mods/admin won't ban me. Besides that, what have I written that is so beyond reasonable that your words make it sound almost unbearable.

BlueAngel
08-04-2009, 07:47 PM
Do you think rules bad?

You tolerate me because you have to, I have broken no rules so the mods/admin won't ban me. Besides that, what have I written that is so beyond reasonable that your words make it sound almost unbearable.

It is sad that an adult male finds it necessary to belong to a group who imposes rules upon the members because, obviously, HE can't impose his own rules upon himself and needs others to do that for him.

You said that many of the members of this forum are intolerant and I commented that your statement was inaccurate because we tolerate you.

You stated that WE HAVE to tolerate you because you have not posted anything that would require you be banned.

You are right.

I am a moderator of this forum and you have not posted anything that would require you be banned.

However, we don't have to tolerate you.

There is an IGNORE function and those members who find you unbearable can certainly use it or just not respond to your posts.

Don't give yourself more credit for your presence on this site than you deserve.

You're not really that big of thorn in our side as you seem to believe.

KSigMason
08-04-2009, 10:56 PM
It is sad that an adult male finds it necessary to belong to a group who imposes rules upon the members because, obviously, HE can't impose his own rules upon himself and needs others to do that for him.

You said that many of the members of this forum are intolerant and I commented that your statement was inaccurate because we tolerate you.
Well, you are basically mocking me and the members of Freemasonry. It's not like we call each other asking what we should wear or how we should act. We have our own will and thoughts. Freemasons make GOOD men better. You have to go in with pure intentions and heart.

In all of this, we have will free of the Order - most of the Brothers I see on Friday nights. Some are good friends that were hanging out before we joined the Freemasons.

There is an IGNORE function and those members who find you unbearable can certainly use it or just not respond to your posts.
You are right, but what's the point of ignoring opposing thought?

BlueAngel
08-05-2009, 09:29 PM
Well, you are basically mocking me and the members of Freemasonry. It's not like we call each other asking what we should wear or how we should act. We have our own will and thoughts. Freemasons make GOOD men better. You have to go in with pure intentions and heart.

In all of this, we have will free of the Order - most of the Brothers I see on Friday nights. Some are good friends that were hanging out before we joined the Freemasons.


You are right, but what's the point of ignoring opposing thought?

What's the point of ignoring opposing thought, you ask.

Because some people just might have better things to do with their lives.

KSigMason
08-05-2009, 11:21 PM
Because some people just might have better things to do with their lives.
If that were true why would people be on a conspiracy site?

BlueAngel
08-06-2009, 08:44 PM
If that were true why would people be on a conspiracy site?

Obviously, you're under the assumption that anyone who is a member of a conspiracy site MUST respond to every opposing thought.

Sounds ridiculous to me.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Freemasons always come across as sad and just a little pathetic to me. They can't stand on their own two feet so they join a cult loosely disguised as a fraternity, to find the exceptance that they cannot find in the ordinary world. All the self congratulations, the back slapping, the calling each other brother, the secrets and lies, the insistance that they can make a man a better man, the ridiculous garb (apron and white gloves) is all part of the subtle brainwashing that goes on in the lodges.
And the sad truth is that they don't really understand whats going on because that's the way the cult is designed to be.

"It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. There true implications is reserved for the adepts-the princes of masonry."
Morals & Dogma. p.819.


"Conceals it's secrets from all except the adepts and sages, or the elect and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of it's symbols to mislead, to conceal the truth which it calls light, from them and to draw them away from it."
Morals & Dogma.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 04:24 PM
Freemasons always come across as sad and just a little pathetic to me. They can't stand on their own two feet so they join a cult loosely disguised as a fraternity, to find the exceptance that they cannot find in the ordinary world. All the self congratulations, the back slapping, the calling each other brother, the secrets and lies, the insistance that they can make a man a better man, the ridiculous garb (apron and white gloves) is all part of the subtle brainwashing that goes on in the lodges.
And the sad truth is that they don't really understand whats going on because that's the way the cult is designed to be.
Anything can be a cult. Any GROUP with set ideals is a 'cult' by definition. Any religion can be called a cult. We don't join the Masons for 'self congratulations'. I joined the Masons because I'm a history nerd and I love esoteric work and symbolism. I gained a group of friends in a town I just moved to and the leadership training is good.

Plus I like to be involved in groups that do philanthropic work; I was a part of the Kiwanis youth group when I was in high school (really good time). Community service is something I increased in my Lodge as Master. I also gave a donation to a homeless shelter this year and we will give another right before Thanksgiving/Christmas time.

So Mint, did you get bored on ATS and decided to come on here and start slandering the Masons? Oh, and realize that 'Morals and Dogma' is intended just for the Scottish Rite, a branch of Freemasonry. I'm also curious as to why everyone picks the Scottish Rite for so many conspiracies? Why not the Shrine or York Rite?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 07:04 PM
No, my masonic friend, I left ATS because you and your masonic friends within that site banned me when I got too close to the truth. I was invited back but kindly told them to stick their invite where the sun don't shine.
Masons are pathetic. You want to continue this charade that your all about charity and so on, but when anyone asks you and your fellow occultists difficult questions you retreat and accuse people not taken in by your cult of being unfair or biased against the freemasons. . . Tell me , if this is the case why is that every belief system, every church worth mentioning is solid in their belief that you're anti christian? Not everyone is taken by the masonic lies. . . The weight of evidence against your cult is growing and sooner or later you will be seen for what you are. An elitist sect who feel they can manipulate history in their favour.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 07:38 PM
No, my masonic friend, I left ATS because you and your masonic friends within that site banned me when I got too close to the truth. I was invited back but kindly told them to stick their invite where the sun don't shine.
Well, that sucks. I didn't mind you at all on ATS. I only got aggravated with Suzq and vx.

Masons are pathetic. You want to continue this charade that your all about charity and so on, but when anyone asks you and your fellow occultists difficult questions you retreat and accuse people not taken in by your cult of being unfair or biased against the freemasons. . . Tell me , if this is the case why is that every belief system, every church worth mentioning is solid in their belief that you're anti christian? Not everyone is taken by the masonic lies. . . The weight of evidence against your cult is growing and sooner or later you will be seen for what you are. An elitist sect who feel they can manipulate history in their favour.
There's no need to be rude and use insults. Regardless of good, bad, or indifferent, you are biased, just as I am biased to be in favor of them. And the charity is not a charade; it's legitimate.

Well, many religions think we are a religion and we are not. The catholics don't like the Freemasons as they don't like anything that doesn't strictly follow their guidelines, as they are still catching up with science. Same goes with radical Islam. You can tell me what you think is true, but my own experience tells me different. What you say doesn't trump what I see on a regular basis and what I've experienced. It's like telling me the sky is red even though I look up and see that it is blue.

I would like to point out that the only bodies that have banned Freemasonry or gone after them in a major way were extremists, fascists, or tyrants. Those that have come after us stating that we have dark deeds have done worse than what we have been accused of. Oh, and until the 1st amendment is no more we will go on gathering as we have always done. There is no legitimate proof of criminal activity so no arrests.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 07:46 PM
Well, even I have to admit that Susq's accusations of masonic ritual child abuse was well over the top and unfounded. And let me also say that besides your self the only other mason I conversed with on ATS who I respected was network dude. The rest were all about preserving the illusion that masons are friendly charity workers who love everyone and have nothing to hide.
If I've insulted you let me say it's only because you're a fereemason. Personally you may be a great guy but the fact that you seek comfort within this cult just fills me with dismay. Get out before it's too late.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 07:50 PM
Well, even I have to admit that Susq's accusations of masonic ritual child abuse was well over the top and unfounded. And let me also say that besides your self the only other mason I conversed with on ATS who I respected was network dude. The rest were all about preserving the illusion that masons are friendly charity workers who love everyone and have nothing to hide.
If I've insulted you let me say it's only because you're a fereemason. Personally you may be a great guy but the fact that you seek comfort within this cult just fills me with dismay. Get out before it's too late.

Unless you were ritually abused, you know not of what you speak.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 07:58 PM
Well, even I have to admit that Susq's accusations of masonic ritual child abuse was well over the top and unfounded. And let me also say that besides your self the only other mason I conversed with on ATS who I respected was network dude. The rest were all about preserving the illusion that masons are friendly charity workers who love everyone and have nothing to hide.
If I've insulted you let me say it's only because you're a freemason. Personally you may be a great guy but the fact that you seek comfort within this cult just fills me with dismay. Get out before it's too late.
Network dude is entertaining. I will concede that our strict privacy doesn't help with the conspiracies and makes us an easy target. I really wish I could just spill the beans of what our "secrets" are so people would just relax, but I took an Oath and I cannot break it. I'm honor bound. Some may not see it and call me dumb or foolish, but it's my word.

Yeah, it's hard to befriend someone on the net that you vehemently disagree with. I won't be getting out, I'm still finishing my year as Master.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Network dude is entertaining. I will concede that our strict privacy doesn't help with the conspiracies and makes us an easy target. I really wish I could just spill the beans of what our "secrets" are so people would just relax, but I took an Oath and I cannot break it. I'm honor bound. Some may not see it and call me dumb or foolish, but it's my word.

Yeah, it's hard to befriend someone on the net that you vehemently disagree with. I won't be getting out, I'm still finishing my year as Master.

YOU know nothing of importance.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:22 PM
Let me make my feelings about feeemasonry perfectly clear. . .
While accepting that not all masons are evil I have to continue to argue the point that theres something inherently rotten within the heart of freemasonry. There's to much evidence to show that the cult is up to no good.. . I worry about those who just can't, no matter howw hard they try, see that they are being manipulated, abused and used in some greater game that they can't imagine mainly because they have bought into this cults belief systems. Please answer these three simple questions?

1. How can you deny being elitist when you say that the masons are full of members who have been made better than ordinary people purely by belonging to a lodge?

2. Why is that masons say they believe in a supreme being without stating who this supreme being is?

3. How can masons claim to be good and decent when as part of the masonic ritual they swear under oath to kill anyone who reveals their secrets?

I say agin, get out and distance yourself from this cult as soon as you can. No good can come of it.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 08:33 PM
Let me make my feelings about feeemasonry perfectly clear. . .
While accepting that not all masons are evil I have to continue to argue the point that theres something inherently rotten within the heart of freemasonry. There's to much evidence to show that the cult is up to no good.. . I worry about those who just can't, no matter howw hard they try, see that they are being manipulated, abused and used in some greater game that they can't imagine mainly because they have bought into this cults belief systems. Please answer these three simple questions?

1. How can you deny being elitist when you say that the masons are full of members who have been made better than ordinary people purely by belonging to a lodge?

2. Why is that masons say they believe in a supreme being without stating who this supreme being is?

3. How can masons claim to be good and decent when as part of the masonic ritual they swear under oath to kill anyone who reveals their secrets?

I say agin, get out and distance yourself from this cult as soon as you can. No good can come of it.

So, has KSigMason sworn under oath to kill anyone who reveals the secrets of the Freemasonry society?

What is it about Freemasonry, Mintwithahole, that shows the cult is up to no good and what is it about Freemasonry that proves they are inherently rotten?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:44 PM
As a mason this is what KsigMason would have sworn. . .

"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree. . .and in failure of this, I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on a highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may god help and maintain me. Amen "

This is pretty self explanatory. . . To become a mason you have to swear that you will kill, dismember and behead a fellow mason who dares divulge masonic secrets. Let me ask you this? Would you swear to do this!!?
I know I wouldn't. . .

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 08:48 PM
As a mason this is what KsigMason would have sworn. . .

"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree. . .and in failure of this, I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on a highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may god help and maintain me. Amen "

This is pretty self explanatory. . . To become a mason you have to swear that you will kill, dismember and behead a fellow mason who dares divulge masonic secrets. Let me ask you this? Would you swear to do this!!?
I know I wouldn't. . .

Really?

So, KSigMason, is this the oath to which you were sworn?

To kill and dismember anyone who reveals Freemasonry secrets or to be killed and/or dismembered if you reveal their secrets?

What secrets?

Mintwithahole, from whom/where have you obtained this Freemasonry oath?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:52 PM
It's the blood oath, freely available on the web. Just google it!

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:08 PM
It's the blood oath, freely available on the web. Just google it!

Freely available on the web.

Awesome.

I'd love to converse with you longer but I must go about my business of making sure that no one else suffers as I did.

No.

I wouldn't swear to that oath.

Most ordinary, decent men wouldn't.

Let me ask you this.

Would you?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Freely available on the web.

Awesome.

I'd love to converse with you longer but I must go about my business of making sure that no one else suffers as I did.

No.

I wouldn't swear to that oath.

Most ordinary, decent men wouldn't.

Let me ask you this.

Would you?

I've just told you I wouldn't! Do you read these posts or just make it up as you go along? I'd be interested to know what your agenda is?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:44 PM
I've just told you I wouldn't! Do you read these posts or just make it up as you go along? I'd be interested to know what your agenda is?

What is your agenda?

I'd be interested to know.

Do you read the posts or just make it up as you go along?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:45 PM
Chose your words carefully.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:47 PM
Are you still a MintIWITHahole or a MintWITHOUTahole?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:48 PM
So now you're just repeating what I write. . . Bravo! You're mother must be so proud.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:50 PM
Are you a Blue Angel or perhaps a Blue Demon!!?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:50 PM
So now you're just repeating what I write. . . Bravo! You're mother must be so proud.

Yes.

My mother is very proud.

Is your mother very proud of you?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:51 PM
Don't waste your time.

You won't win.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:55 PM
You know her then?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 09:58 PM
You know her then?

To whom are you referring when you ask if I know her?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:58 PM
Won't win!
How could I not win considering the level of the opposition?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Won't win!
How could I not win considering the level of the opposition?

Obviously, you haven't truly considered the level of opposition.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:10 PM
I asked if your mother was proud of you, you said yes so I replied, You Know Her Then- and your witty response response is, wait for it. . . Know who?

If you're going to argue with me it's so vitally important that you try to keep up with the debate. I know you're an idiot, and I forgive you for being such, but it's not very entertaining for me to insult a retard if the retard doesn't realise I'm insulting him, is it? Think about your response. Try to be interesting ( I know that's hard for you), and witty and at the very least have some pride in yourself.
For gods sake man, get a grip! Of course, I use the word, MAN, in it's most literal way as it would be an insult to men around the globe if they responded to my provocations the way you have. . . Either grow a pair of testicles and fight back or bury your rotten little head and go and suck your thumb in the corner.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Obviously, you haven't truly considered the level of opposition.
You are no opposition.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:13 PM
To whom are you referring when you ask if I know her?

Care to answer a question posed by the opposition?

Didn't think so.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:15 PM
I don't foresee your answer forthcoming any time in the near future as to whom you were referring when you asked me If I knew her.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:16 PM
WHAT!!? God, you're pathetic. It's like conducting a conversation with a complete moron. If you're going to try to argue with me keep up with the debate you fool.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I don't foresee your answer forthcoming any time in the near future as to whom you were referring when you asked me If I knew her.

Oh for the love of god, Your MOTHER!!! You knew your mother. . . How many times do I have to write this? Like I said before, please try to keep up you cock.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I asked if your mother was proud of you, you said yes so I replied, You Know Her Then- and your witty response response is, wait for it. . . Know who?

If you're going to argue with me it's so vitally important that you try to keep up with the debate. I know you're an idiot, and I forgive you for being such, but it's not very entertaining for me to insult a retard if the retard doesn't realise I'm insulting him, is it? Think about your response. Try to be interesting ( I know that's hard for you), and witty and at the very least have some pride in yourself.
For gods sake man, get a grip! Of course, I use the word, MAN, in it's most literal way as it would be an insult to men around the globe if they responded to my provocations the way you have. . . Either grow a pair of testicles and fight back or bury your rotten little head and go and suck your thumb in the corner.

Nice!

Talk about pent up anger.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:20 PM
Oh for the love of god, Your MOTHER!!! You knew your mother. . . How many times do I have to write this? Like I said before, please try to keep up you cock.

Really?

I knew my mother?

How odd!

Talk about pent up anger.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:21 PM
Are you a Blue Angel or perhaps a Blue Demon!!?

I'm a BlueAngel not a Blue Demon.

What about you?

Are you a MintwithaDEMON or a MintwithoutaSOUL?

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:24 PM
WHAT!!? God, you're pathetic. It's like conducting a conversation with a complete moron. If you're going to try to argue with me keep up with the debate you fool.

Very interesting debate!

Just can't keep up.

YAWN!

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:24 PM
I'm a BlueAngel not a Blue Demon.

What about you?

Are you a MintwithaDEMON or a MintwithoutaSOUL?

You're a Blue Dickhead!!!
I'm a demon when I have to be and don't ask if I have a soul because I don't!!! I am the incredibly minty Mintwithahole, and you would do good to remember my name for it is the name of a man, and his number is 666. . .

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:25 PM
You are no opposition.

Yes I am.

That's why you're so angry.

If you're going to debate me, kindly try to keep up.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:27 PM
You're a Blue Dickhead!!!
I'm a demon when I have to be and don't ask if I have a soul because I don't!!! I am the incredibly minty Mintwithahole, and you would do good to remember my name for it is the name of a man, and his number is 666. . .

True colors come out!

We know you don't have a soul.

Thanks for the verification.

Who took your soul from you?

The Freemasons?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:28 PM
True colors come out!

We know you don't have a soul.

Thanks for the verification.

Who took your soul from you?

The Freemasons?

No! Idiots like you who try my patience.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:34 PM
And here we have it! The last refuge of an imbocile. . . Repeating my very words back to me. I say, try to keep up, so you say try to keep up. . . I thought insulting you would be mildly entertaining but since you have the intellect of an asthmatic pox riddled pussy, and the debating skills of George W Bush, I will bid you good day.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 10:47 PM
And here we have it! The last refuge of an imbocile. . . Repeating my very words back to me. I say, try to keep up, so you say try to keep up. . . I thought insulting you would be mildly entertaining but since you have the intellect of an asthmatic pox riddled pussy, and the debating skills of George W Bush, I will bid you good day.

Yes, and there we have it.

You say, "try to keep up" and I say, "try to keep up."

Unbelieveable.

I repeated your words.

Call the police.

Insulting someone is how you derive mild entertainment?

Speaks volumes of yourself.

What a ridiculous question.

Asking me if I knew my mother.

Mintwithahole.
09-25-2009, 07:53 PM
Yes, and there we have it.

You say, "try to keep up" and I say, "try to keep up."

Unbelieveable.

I repeated your words.

Call the police.

Insulting someone is how you derive mild entertainment?

Speaks volumes of yourself.

What a ridiculous question.

Asking me if I knew my mother.

Seriously, Blue Angel, book yourself in with a psycho therapist and get yourself seen to. Without a doubt you are a fecking lunatic. Here's hoping that you get the treatment you deserve and one day can join the rest of us normal people. However, I don't hold out much hope.

ConFuse
09-26-2009, 05:25 AM
Seriously, Blue Angel, book yourself in with a psycho therapist and get yourself seen to. Without a doubt you are a fecking lunatic. Here's hoping that you get the treatment you deserve and one day can join the rest of us normal people. However, I don't hold out much hope.
I, would actually consider BlueAngel more 'normal' than you seem. Keep your childish antics to yourself, an interesting discussion was taking place here before you started asking people do they know their own relatatives.

KSigMason
09-26-2009, 03:32 PM
YOU know nothing of importance.
So says the non-member. You know nothing of what I know.

Let me make my feelings about feeemasonry perfectly clear. . .
While accepting that not all masons are evil I have to continue to argue the point that theres something inherently rotten within the heart of freemasonry. There's to much evidence to show that the cult is up to no good.. . I worry about those who just can't, no matter howw hard they try, see that they are being manipulated, abused and used in some greater game that they can't imagine mainly because they have bought into this cults belief systems. Please answer these three simple questions?

1. How can you deny being elitist when you say that the masons are full of members who have been made better than ordinary people purely by belonging to a lodge?

2. Why is that masons say they believe in a supreme being without stating who this supreme being is?

3. How can masons claim to be good and decent when as part of the masonic ritual they swear under oath to kill anyone who reveals their secrets?

I say agin, get out and distance yourself from this cult as soon as you can. No good can come of it.
I am curious as to what evidence there is that makes Freemasonry evil?

We make someone individually better, we never said they are better than ordinary people. I don't see myself as someone more important or better than anyone else because outside of Freemasonry, I'm a 25-year-old Sergeant in the Army.

We say Supreme Being because allow men of different faiths to join. Not everyone calls their higher power 'God'. And the penalty of our Oaths is purely symbolic. Several people have been kicked out of Freemasonry for divulging secrets, but are still breathing.

As a mason this is what KsigMason would have sworn. . .

"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree. . .and in failure of this, I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on a highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may god help and maintain me. Amen "

This is pretty self explanatory. . . To become a mason you have to swear that you will kill, dismember and behead a fellow mason who dares divulge masonic secrets. Let me ask you this? Would you swear to do this!!?
I know I wouldn't. . .
Our Oaths are a lot longer than that, even the shortest one. But no where does it say that we as Brothers kill a Brother for spilling the secrets.

It's the blood oath, freely available on the web. Just google it!
We don't take a blood oath, that requires the spilling of blood.

KSigMason
09-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Wow, pages 15 and 16 were a waste of space.

ConFuse
09-26-2009, 06:01 PM
Wow, pages 15 and 16 were a waste of space.
Indeed.

What I don't seem to understand is, how this group can make you better men, aren't we taught right and wrong in school? Can't we continue our religious way individually? Why the secrets? If it's all for the better of man, what's stopping everyone else knowing what you do? Why must we join the group to improve ourselves too?

I'm not at all knowing of Freemasonry, though I've heard and watched videos based on conspiracys surrounding the group, though my opinion maybe slightly biased I'm still open to your responses, you did say I'm sure that you'd read up on the background of the Freemasons and weighed up your options before joining.. If you'd heard so much why would you join?

I only know the basics and I sure as hell wouldn't join, though I do believe government is currupt anyway and that the Freemasons have a roll in the changing of the world, for the worst.

I think you should explain fully as to what the Freemasons are all about, as much as you can because as you can clearly see there is alot of fuss about it.

Though I will probably not fully agree with what you're saying it will be interesting to read.

--- Sorry for my non-researched post, I'm just fascinated. ---

BlueAngel
09-26-2009, 06:42 PM
Wow, pages 15 and 16 were a waste of space.

WE can say the same about all the space you've wasted on this thread with your comments.

BlueAngel
09-26-2009, 08:20 PM
Seriously, Blue Angel, book yourself in with a psycho therapist and get yourself seen to. Without a doubt you are a fecking lunatic. Here's hoping that you get the treatment you deserve and one day can join the rest of us normal people. However, I don't hold out much hope.

I wouldn't consider myself normal, if I were you.

stompk
11-14-2009, 12:53 PM
I have become convinced that the Masons are extremely evil. The true anti-Christ religion.

Mintwithahole.
11-14-2009, 08:06 PM
The biggest problem with masonry is why a normal decent man would feel the need to be part of such a cult... What drives a man to need the constant back slapping, the never ending rhetoric concerning how great and important you are and the ego building letting in on so called secrets! "WHY!!?"
For those who still aren't convinced that freemasonry is evil please consider this. The first oath you make is the blood oath where you swear to butcher anyone who dares disclose masonic secrets..! You then procede to the third degree after which you can take a sideays step and become a 33rd degree mason in the Scottich or York cult. Then, as the brain washing takes hold you take your 19th degree and told that the god that you think you've been worshipping is in fact Lucifer, the lightbearer... "LUCIFER!"
Only idiots and the morally weak seek refuge in this cult. We should pity them...

Mintwithahole.
11-14-2009, 08:18 PM
Ah right, so we're back to repeating my words are we..?
Why don't you invest in a life you dickhead?

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:10 PM
I have become convinced that the Masons are extremely evil. The true anti-Christ religion.
From what? I wonder what the countless Christians would have to say about this.

The biggest problem with masonry is why a normal decent man would feel the need to be part of such a cult... What drives a man to need the constant back slapping, the never ending rhetoric concerning how great and important you are and the ego building letting in on so called secrets! "WHY!!?"
And how do you know of this "back slapping" and other "ego boosting activities"? How many Lodge meetings do you attend?

The first oath you make is the blood oath where you swear to butcher anyone who dares disclose masonic secrets!
By definition a blood oath requires the spilling of blood and that is not done. Nor is any harm done to anyone who breaks their oaths, they are just expelled. Nor do you swear to butcher anyone if they breaks their oath.

You then procede to the third degree after which you can take a sideays step and become a 33rd degree mason in the Scottich or York cult.
Well you procede only after passing through the 2nd degree. And also the 33rd only pertains to the Scottish Rite, the York Rite has only a handful of degrees, but then you are conferred orders of knighthood. And the 33rd isn't just handed out to anyone, you must put some time into it.

Then, as the brain washing takes hold you take your 19th degree and told that the god that you think you've been worshipping is in fact Lucifer, the lightbearer... "LUCIFER!"
Only idiots and the morally weak seek refuge in this cult. We should pity them...
And for the billionth time someone has misquoted Albert Pike. Lucifer is referring to light, ie knowledge, enlightenment. And in fact, the Bible is not referring to Satan when they speak of Lucifer, but in fact they are speaking of a Babylonian king, Helal, son of Shahar (translated from Hebrew to mean: Day Star, Son of the Dawn). In the original Hebrew Lucifer is not used as it is a Latin name. The confusion of all this comes from mistranslation/interpretation. King Jame's scholars did not translate from the orginal Hebrew into modern English but used previously translated versions from the 4th century (St. Jerome). Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell.

BlueAngel
11-14-2009, 09:41 PM
From what? I wonder what the countless Christians would have to say about this.


And how do you know of this "back slapping" and other "ego boosting activities"? How many Lodge meetings do you attend?


By definition a blood oath requires the spilling of blood and that is not done. Nor is any harm done to anyone who breaks their oaths, they are just expelled. Nor do you swear to butcher anyone if they breaks their oath.


Well you procede only after passing through the 2nd degree. And also the 33rd only pertains to the Scottish Rite, the York Rite has only a handful of degrees, but then you are conferred orders of knighthood. And the 33rd isn't just handed out to anyone, you must put some time into it.


And for the billionth time someone has misquoted Albert Pike. Lucifer is referring to light, ie knowledge, enlightenment. And in fact, the Bible is not referring to Satan when they speak of Lucifer, but in fact they are speaking of a Babylonian king, Helal, son of Shahar (translated from Hebrew to mean: Day Star, Son of the Dawn). In the original Hebrew Lucifer is not used as it is a Latin name. The confusion of all this comes from mistranslation/interpretation. King Jame's scholars did not translate from the orginal Hebrew into modern English but used previously translated versions from the 4th century (St. Jerome). Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell.


I couldn't care less about what the countless Christians have to say about anything just the same as I couldn't care less about what the countless Freemasons have to say about anything.

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:50 PM
I couldn't care less about what the countless Christians have to say about anything just the same as I couldn't care less about what the countless Freemasons have to say about anything.
That was directed to stompk not you.

BlueAngel
11-14-2009, 09:53 PM
That was directed to stompk not you.

Oh, well.

I replied.

Deal with it.

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:55 PM
I couldn't care less about what the countless Christians have to say about anything just the same as I couldn't care less about what the countless Freemasons have to say about anything.
Then what is the point of debate if you are just here to rant?

BlueAngel
11-14-2009, 10:11 PM
Then what is the point of debate if you are just here to rant?

I clearly defined my position in regard to this debate and it didn't include a rant.

Obviously, as evidenced by your posts, it is you and not me who is here to do nothing more than rant on and on about Freemasonry.

KSigMason
11-15-2009, 08:34 PM
I was posting about the misinterpretations that have led to so many falsehoods against Freemasonry.

norwaypianoman
11-16-2009, 03:54 PM
I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.

stompk
11-16-2009, 06:59 PM
I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.

Glad your on board.

You wouldn't happen to be Chembreather from ATS would you?

BlueAngel
11-17-2009, 12:33 AM
I was posting about the misinterpretations that have led to so many falsehoods against Freemasonry.

Oh, okay.

Well, if that's the case.

Thanks for ranting because you have definitely cleared up all of those misrepresentations about Freemasonry for us.

:eek:

KSigMason
11-18-2009, 11:50 AM
Moreover I find it funny that Lucifer, bringer of light, is tied in with Satan, the Prince of Darkness. Wouldn't light be associated with Heaven? All of this over a misinterpretation of the Hebrew language, well that and the lies of the Frenchman "Leo Taxil", who was kicked out of Freemasonry and in spite drummed up lies.

I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.
Freemasonry doesn't meet the requirements of religion. No theology. No plan of salvation. We don't advocate any particular faith or practice. We don't seek converts/members. We don't raise money for religious practices.

Freemasonry has no idols to worship. Each brother worships his own God in his own way. In fact, the York Rite branch of Freemasonry requires you to protect the Christian faith.

stompk
11-18-2009, 02:08 PM
Moreover I find it funny that Lucifer, bringer of light, is tied in with Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

Hmm, I wonder why Lucifer is tied with Satan. Could it be;

Isaiah 14
"12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"

Freemasonry doesn't meet the requirements of religion.

Really, is that why this guy who looks like he has one foot in the grave is called a

Grand High Priest?


Grand Chapter
State of New York
Royal Arch Masons
http://i46.tinypic.com/s4nccw.jpg
Grand High Priest 2009 - M .·. E .·. Alan C. Lewis

Grand Chapter State of New York Royal Arch Masons (http://www.ny-royal-arch.org/)

KSigMason
11-18-2009, 04:40 PM
Hmm, I wonder why Lucifer is tied with Satan. Could it be;
I will refer you to my previous post:


And for the billionth time someone has misquoted Albert Pike. Lucifer is referring to light, ie knowledge, enlightenment. And in fact, the Bible is not referring to Satan when they speak of Lucifer, but in fact they are speaking of a Babylonian king, Helal, son of Shahar (translated from Hebrew to mean: Day Star, Son of the Dawn). In the original Hebrew Lucifer is not used as it is a Latin name. The confusion of all this comes from mistranslation/interpretation. King Jame's scholars did not translate from the orginal Hebrew into modern English but used previously translated versions from the 4th century (St. Jerome). Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell.

Like I said, this misinterpretation and the lies of Leo Taxil led to todays craze of Masonic-Satanism conspiracy. Leo even confessed that he made everything up and did it to embarass the church and the Brothers that expelled him, but the damage was done and the lie spread like fire on a dry plain.

Really, is that why this guy who looks like he has one foot in the grave is called a Grand High Priest?
Because in the Royal Arch degree you re-enact the Jews return to Jerusalem and the rebuiding of King Solomons Temple. The High Priest was in charge of them and so we commemorate them by naming our head as High Priest. The High Priest actually does no priestly duties (he just presides over the Royal Arch ceremonies/meetings) as the Royal Arch has a Chaplain. Like I said before, the York Rite requires a Christian faith, but the Blue Lodge doesn't.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:22 AM
Why is it I get an email about a post BA did, but when I click on the link its not there?

BlueAngel
11-20-2009, 12:29 AM
Why is it I get an email about a post BA did, but when I click on the link its not there?

Because I deleted it.

Better luck next time, Quick draw McGraw.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:30 AM
Because I deleted it.

Better luck next time, Quick draw McGraw.
Most forums I'm on shows when a post was deleted, I was just curious.

As for the quick draw comment, I still have email and your quote.

BlueAngel
11-20-2009, 12:55 AM
Most forums I'm on shows when a post was deleted, I was just curious.

As for the quick draw comment, I still have email and your quote.

Oh, so sorry we don't adopt the standards of all the other forums that you are on.

Please forgive us.

We march to the beat of a different drummer.

Oh, good.

I'm glad you still have my quick draw McGraw comment, my email and my quote.

Print them out and make copies.

Give several to your attorney and place several more in a fire proof safe and a safe deposit box.

Distribute several to your friends and most trusted family members.

Make photo copies and pass them onto your attorney.

Keep a few copies under your mattress, as well.

They're evidence, I'm sure.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 08:19 AM
I didn't say anything was wrong, I originally thought something was wrong with my Internet browser. Each site is different, I didn't know, quit being so defensive.

Why would my attorney care? That would be a waste of time and my money. You are a overly defensive person.

Public Enemy Number One
11-20-2009, 10:27 AM
I believe the majority of people in masonry get involved for friendship and belonging to a fraternal organization.

But, I feel that the Mason's are a tool for the takeover by Baphomet.

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?

People like Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley have influenced the "craft" into a tool of the son of Satan, Baphomet.

Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.

And much good can come out of them. But they are masking a much more sinister operation, IMO.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIZGYlT1PEU&rel
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/djr88iv1FmQ&rel
Notice how the big guy comes out to intimidate them. He get's turned around by their sincere and polite questioning.

You see, the Masons are the suckers on the tentacles of the Octopus.

Well, by definition anyone who denies the Diety of the Lord Jesus Christ is evil. So if the Masons indeed deny the unique Diety of Jesus Christ and do not acknowledhe Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, they ARE evil.
My information says that the Masons are used to recruit for Satanic covens. The ultimate test for evil is to see whether or not they will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. If they will not do so or if they do so with less then full conviction, then they are more then likely very evil, if not a straight up Satanist.
By the way, I know some will disagree with me. I have no problem with that, since I have a pretty good lock on who are the Satanists and evil doers here.
The perverts and sexual deviants are in an alliance with the Satanists, the liberals and such. The BIGGEST conspiracy is the evil, diabolical plans of the Liberals, feminists, Sodomites, the sexual deviants, the Onanists (self-abusers) and Socialists have for the rest of us normal Christian Americans. We must stop the tidal wave of filth these immoral reprobates and sinners have for you and I, the righteous, God fearing Christians of America.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:41 PM
Well, by definition anyone who denies the Diety of the Lord Jesus Christ is evil. So if the Masons indeed deny the unique Diety of Jesus Christ and do not acknowledge Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, they ARE evil.
1) It is not for you to judge, it is up to the Everliving God to judge man.

2) Freemasons are left to worship in their own way, so many are Christian, but just as many are not. This is called religious tolerance. Even Jesus, the King of Kings, didn't rebuke non-believers but passed them and went to the next village.

My information says that the Masons are used to recruit for Satanic covens. The ultimate test for evil is to see whether or not they will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. If they will not do so or if they do so with less then full conviction, then they are more then likely very evil, if not a straight up Satanist.
Your information? What information is this? A Mason will tell everyone what his religious belief is, its not a secret nor are we ashamed of it.

The perverts and sexual deviants are in an alliance with the Satanists, the liberals and such. The BIGGEST conspiracy is the evil, diabolical plans of the Liberals, feminists, Sodomites, the sexual deviants, the Onanists (self-abusers) and Socialists have for the rest of us normal Christian Americans. We must stop the tidal wave of filth these immoral reprobates and sinners have for you and I, the righteous, God fearing Christians of America.
I'm sorry I had to laugh at this as I am a very staunch Constitutional conservative.

samsamsonsoy
11-20-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil. They are no longer for defense of a nation that stands for freedom but a corporate offensive force for economic expansion. So if you join the military and figure that out you need to quit or else you become evil along with the organization. Freemasonry is a sham just like any conspiratorial group. They have an agenda and disguise it with honest seeming surface behavior. People keep blaming the top ranking Super Deluxe masons and saying lower level masons are OK. With all the information available in regards to Masonic activity if lower level Masons aren't aware then they must be illiterate. :cool: For a reference please see my sites. Thanks for letting me rant.

New World Order Conspiracies - Home (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/)

Samsamsonsoy on Tumblr (http://samsamsonsoy.tumblr.com/)

stompk
11-21-2009, 09:16 AM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil. They are no longer for defense of a nation that stands for freedom but a corporate offensive force for economic expansion. So if you join the military and figure that out you need to quit or else you become evil along with the organization. Freemasonry is a sham just like any conspiratorial group. They have an agenda and disguise it with honest seeming surface behavior. People keep blaming the top ranking Super Deluxe masons and saying lower level masons are OK. With all the information available in regards to Masonic activity if lower level Masons aren't aware then they must be illiterate. :cool: For a reference please see my sites. Thanks for letting me rant.

New World Order Conspiracies - Home (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/)

Samsamsonsoy on Tumblr (http://samsamsonsoy.tumblr.com/)

Rant away. Yes, I believe the military is evil too. They are aligned with the Masons. I'm starting to believe that anyone in Masonry understands what it's all about from the first initiation.

Thanks for participating.

KSigMason
11-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil.
Rant away. Yes, I believe the military is evil too. They are aligned with the Masons. I'm starting to believe that anyone in Masonry understands what it's all about from the first initiation.
1) I love how people slander the military when they are there to protect your freedom to bitch about them. Ungrateful.

2) I have noticed that (for the most part) those that bitch about philanthropic organizations and even the military are usually the ones who do the least to better their community. They are usually the leeches and complainers.

3) When you are first initiated, you are taught to be good and true, to practice charity, exercise your faith whatever it may be, and have hope of a glorious afterlife (in whatever form you believe it to be). To relieve those in suffering. To treat everyone as equal. To work hard in all your endeavors. I'm starting to understand the conspiracy theorists would have us in a world where charity and faith don't exist. Where selfishness reigns and everyone talks behind everyone's back. It even sounds like you don't respect privacy and that is fascist.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 10:50 AM
So here are the facts when it comes to this Biblical misinterpretation:

Most Biblical scholars based their translations off of St. Jerome.
The original Hebrew writings spoke of a Babylonian King, Helal, Son of Shahar, which means Day Star, Son of the Morning.
Lucifer is Latin for "light bringer".
In Roman Astrology Lucifer the was the star that preceded the rising Sun.
Scholars in ages after Jerome mistook this mistranslation and turned him from a disgraced king to the Ruler of Darkness, Satan.
No where else in the Bible is used the word "Lucifer".Furthermore, Revelations 22:16 also makes some strange claims:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Now, I'm not saying Jesus is the Lucifer of the Bible, but I find it ironic that conspiracy theorists and religious zealots apply Isaiah 14:12 to Freemasons, but overlook Revelations 22:16. Now scholars on the other hand point out that "bright", "shining", and so forth describe the appearance of the king who usually wore very elaborate clothing. In application to Jesus Christ (which is also a Latin version of his true name) he is the Son of God and through him will we arrive in Heaven, so he would be the bright and morning star.

BlueAngel
11-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I didn't say anything was wrong, I originally thought something was wrong with my Internet browser. Each site is different, I didn't know, quit being so defensive.

Why would my attorney care? That would be a waste of time and my money. You are a overly defensive person.

I think you're the one who spends hour after hour on this thread defending Freemasonry.

So, who is the overly defensive person?

Seriously, come on.

I posted a comment and you clicked on the link you received via email and it wasn't there so you had to immediately inquire as to why.

Did you think it was a conspiracy against you?

You couldn't just let it go?

Where, oh, where, did BlueAngel's comment go?

Yes, we know, you thought something was wrong with your browser.

Well, if something was wrong with your browser, CC certainly couldn't help you with that.

You'd have to call your Browser Repair Man.

That, we are not.

After all your time on this board, I would think you would be able to recognize my sarcasm by now.

Anyway, you're right.

I'm very good at defense.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 11:04 PM
I think you're the one who spends hour after hour on this thread defending Freemasonry.

So, who is the overly defensive person?
I was meaning that you are constantly on attack. I asked a simple question and your jumped on me thinking I was insulting the site. There's a difference between "defensive" and "defending".

I posted a comment and you clicked on the link you received via email and it wasn't there so you had to immediately inquire as to why.

Did you think it was a conspiracy against you?
Like I said, I thought something may be wrong with MY internet browser.

Well, if something was wrong with your browser, CC certainly couldn't help you with that.
But it could be an indicator that something was wrong so I thought I'd ask, but apparently asking questions is wrong.

BlueAngel
11-22-2009, 11:26 PM
You asked a question, and I answered it.

Maybe not to your liking, but I answered it.

So, contrary to your belief, it is okay to ask a question.

I didn't jump on you and I didn't think you were insulting the site.

I merely said that I deleted my comment and, thus, the reason you were unable to view it.

Sorry, but I'm not constantly on attack.

Did an alarm ring in your house to alert you that there was a response to one of your comments at CC which sent you rushing to check your email, cause, man, you were all over it like you know what.

BlueAngel
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
Here.

This is what I said in response to your question, KSigMason:

Because I deleted it.

Better luck next time, Quick draw McGraw.

-----------------------------------------------------

Yeah.

Real defensive and absolutely illuminates how I thought you were insulting the site.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I didn't jump on you and I didn't think you were insulting the site.
If you didn't think I insulted the site why did you post this?

Oh, so sorry we don't adopt the standards of all the other forums that you are on.

Please forgive us.

We march to the beat of a different drummer.
Sounds pretty defensive to me.

Did an alarm ring in your house to alert you that there was a response to one of your comments at CC which sent you rushing to check your email, cause, man, you were all over it like you know what.
Actually an alarm did go off. I have my email accounts on my BlackBerry so every time I get an email it goes to my phone and alerts me when new messages arrive. It just depends on what I'm doing if I respond immediately or not.

BlueAngel
11-23-2009, 12:09 AM
I couldn't care less if you insulted the site.

My comment wasn't defensive.

It was a comment.

Nothing more and nothing less, but it appears to me that you want to make it out to be something more.

BlueAngel
11-23-2009, 12:11 AM
KSigMason said:

"Most forums I'm on shows when a post was deleted, I was just curious."

Thus, the reason I responded as follows:

BlueAngel said:

Oh, so sorry we don't adopt the standards of all the other forums that you are on.

Please forgive us.

We march to the beat of a different drummer.

P.S.

Proper grammer would be:

"Most forum's of which I am a member show when a post was deleted."

samsamsonsoy
11-23-2009, 11:54 PM
Freemasonry: Closeted Mental Illness?

One of the most damning aspects of Freemasonry’s involvement in criminal activity is the significant effort by members to defend its activities against those who regard the group as a terror organization. Similar fraternal organizations such as Kiwanis are rarely, if ever, subject to the broad, widespread criticism Freemasonry attracts. :confused: (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
New World Order Conspiracies - News (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)

KSigMason
11-24-2009, 12:08 AM
Freemasonry: Closeted Mental Illness?

One of the most damning aspects of Freemasonry’s involvement in criminal activity is the significant effort by members to defend its activities against those who regard the group as a terror organization. Similar fraternal organizations such as Kiwanis are rarely, if ever, subject to the broad, widespread criticism Freemasonry attracts. :confused: (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
New World Order Conspiracies - News (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
Freemasonry Watch is a unreliable source. The author of that site makes everything up. I do find it funny that CTs will go so far as to make Freemasons look mentally deranged to attack them. When our lies won't stop them get them committed.

BlueAngel
02-15-2010, 10:45 PM
Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages. " 3

------------------------------------------------------------

WW3 - Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm)

Excerpts:

The initiates are intentionally mislead by false interpretations...

It is intended that he (the initiates) shall IMAGINE he (the initiates) understands them...

Talk about mind control (deception).

KSigMason
02-15-2010, 10:51 PM
Does anyone not get that Morals and Dogma has nothing to do with actual ritual of the Scottish Rite degrees? Its a supplement to them. His own personal thoughts.

Well this May I plan on joining the Scottish Rite, so first hand I'll experience this 'evil of Pike'.

BlueAngel
02-15-2010, 11:00 PM
Does anyone not get that Morals and Dogma has nothing to do with actual ritual of the Scottish Rite degrees? Its a supplement to them. His own personal thoughts.

Well this May I plan on joining the Scottish Rite, so first hand I'll experience this 'evil of Pike'.

We get it, but you don't.

Why?

Because you've been deceived.

WW3 - Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm)

Excerpt:

While a prolific writer, Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm) is best known for his major work Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry. Published in 1871 (no ISBN), this massive volume consists of 861 pages and 32 Chapters, covering each of the 32 Degrees of Freemasonry.

BlueAngel
02-15-2010, 11:02 PM
WW3 - Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm)

Excerpt:

After Mazzini's death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run their subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

KSigMason
02-15-2010, 11:23 PM
Maybe next you'll pull "evidence" for FreemasonryWatch.

BlueAngel
02-15-2010, 11:30 PM
Maybe next you'll pull "evidence" for FreemasonryWatch.

Maybe I will.

stompk
05-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Maybe next you'll pull "evidence" for FreemasonryWatch.

Why is it, that someone who is anti Mason, is never credible, according to acting Freekmasons?

BlueAngel
05-14-2010, 08:33 PM
Why is it, that someone who is anti Mason, is never credible, according to acting Freekmasons?

Obviosuly, you don't know the answer, so allow me, please.

Why would think that someone who is a Freemason would side with someone who is anti-Freemason?

It's like asking a Democrat to side with a Republican.

galexander
05-15-2010, 08:05 AM
WW3 - Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm)

Excerpt:

After Mazzini's death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run their subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

Sorry to butt in here BlueAngel but are you suggesting that Lenin was a Freemason?

I heard he was not and attempted to remove the Masons from Revolutionary Russia. Lenin described Freemasonry as a middle-class confidence trick.

I distrust any organisation (as everyone else should as well) that cannot openly state its aims and beliefs in public.

The best the Masons can ever say is.......oh its a charity.........or oh its a fraternity, brotherly love etc, etc.......

Well if that is all it is then why all the oaths of secrecy, the degrees and the ritual?

KSigMason
05-16-2010, 02:48 PM
Why is it, that someone who is anti Mason, is never credible, according to acting Freekmasons?
Well, the most obvious reason would be your name uncivil behavior (name calling), but another would be you are considered not credible as you pull from 2nd hand sources and usually post allegations that are based on lies or hoaxes.

BlueAngel
05-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Sorry to butt in here BlueAngel but are you suggesting that Lenin was a Freemason?

I heard he was not and attempted to remove the Masons from Revolutionary Russia. Lenin described Freemasonry as a middle-class confidence trick.

I distrust any organisation (as everyone else should as well) that cannot openly state its aims and beliefs in public.

The best the Masons can ever say is.......oh its a charity.........or oh its a fraternity, brotherly love etc, etc.......

Well if that is all it is then why all the oaths of secrecy, the degrees and the ritual?

You should be sorry for butting in because I never said anything of the sort.

The article was about Lemmi and not LENIN!

galexander
05-18-2010, 11:51 AM
You should be sorry for butting in because I never said anything of the sort.

The article was about Lemmi and not LENIN!

Again BlueAngel you are showing evidence of being delusional.

This is what was quite clearly stated in your quote:

Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

I have nothing to feel sorry for BlueAngel.

superted
05-18-2010, 12:23 PM
She'll still think she's right though! Probably threaten to ban you too for pointing out she's wrong.

BlueAngel
05-18-2010, 04:33 PM
She'll still think she's right though! Probably threaten to ban you too for pointing out she's wrong.

Sorry, ted, but I don't ban members for pointing out when I'm wrong.

Stop trolling.

That is reason for being banned.

BlueAngel
05-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Again BlueAngel you are showing evidence of being delusional.

This is what was quite clearly stated in your quote:



I have nothing to feel sorry for BlueAngel.

Those aren't my words.

You have excerpted them from an article I posted.

Sorry, but, I have never shown evidence of being delusional.

However, you have with your comment that those are my words.

The article suggests that Lemmi was a Freemason.

As I said, those aren't my words.

KSigMason
05-31-2010, 06:49 PM
She'll still think she's right though! Probably threaten to ban you too for pointing out she's wrong.
If this were true, I would have been banned long ago. As long as you are somewhat respectful and follow the forum rules you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

BlueAngel
06-01-2010, 10:46 PM
If this were true, I would have been banned long ago. As long as you are somewhat respectful and follow the forum rules you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Why do you refer to yourself as "The Master Mason?"

And, while we're at it.

Please tell us how it is you are able to provide yourself with this "title" under your username as you appear to be one of the few who are able to do so.

The rest of us are provided with the customary titles of member; junior member; senior member and home away from home by CC.

KSigMason
06-01-2010, 11:51 PM
Why do you refer to yourself as "The Master Mason?"

And, while we're at it.

Please tell us how it is you are able to provide yourself with this "title" under your username as you appear to be one of the few who are able to do so.

The rest of us are provided with the customary titles of member; junior member; senior member and home away from home by CC.
I don't know why I put it there, I guess I could change it to just "Master Mason". Just curious, but as a Moderator shouldn't you know how to add a custom title? For those who don't know though, click on User CP, then on Edit Profile and insert any Title you would like.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:11 AM
I don't know why I put it there, I guess I could change it to just "Master Mason". Just curious, but as a Moderator shouldn't you know how to add a custom title? For those who don't know though, click on User CP, then on Edit Profile and insert any Title you would like.

Sorry, your instructions failed.

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:16 AM
User CP --> Edit Profile --> Custom User Title. Its not a failure on my part if someone can't follow directions.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:18 AM
User CP --> Edit Profile --> Custom User Title. Its not a failure on my part if someone can't follow directions.

If you can point out where you see CUSTOM USER TITLE in the edit profile section of a user's CP, why, then your instructions will not have failed.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:20 AM
Changing your title will not answer the question.

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:25 AM
If you can point out where you see CUSTOM USER TITLE in the edit profile section of a user's CP, why, then your instructions will not have failed.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l70/IDARNG_Loki/CustomTitle.png

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:29 AM
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l70/IDARNG_Loki/CustomTitle.png

Thanks, but you must have a special edit profile section as do a few other members of the forum.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:41 AM
I'll have to conference with management and find out why you have a special feature for a custom title in your user CP edit profile section and I don't.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:48 AM
I guess KSIGmason split the scene.

;)

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:49 AM
I'll have to conference with management and find out why you have a special feature for a custom title in your user CP edit profile section and I don't.
That is rather strange. I know some forums have the custom title and some don't.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 01:00 AM
That is rather strange. I know some forums have the custom title and some don't.

It's only strange if the findings show that you, iHIMself, beentheredonethat and a few others have access to this feature and the rest of us don't

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 01:02 AM
It's only strange if the findings show that you, iHIMself, beentheredonethat and a few others have access to this feature and the rest of us don't.

What rule have I broken?

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 01:22 AM
What rule have I broken?

You haven't broken any rules yet.

We are in the process of ascertaining why some members have the custom title option in their edit profile section of the USER CP and others do not.

BlueAngel
06-02-2010, 12:25 PM
The problem has been solved.

As I thought, all registered users have the custom title option except for me, being the SUPER MODERATOR that I am, but NOW I do.

So, I'm just like the rest of you.

Thank you for your patience.

:)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 10:30 AM
Child experiment quotes(Freemasonry)
Child experiments (http://www.whale.to/v/exp1.html)
Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine (http://www.whale.to/b/child_exp_q.html#Edmonston-Zagreb_measles_vaccine_)
[NVIC June 8, 2006] Deadly Antibiotic Experiment on Children (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/nvic_june_8_2006.html)
In order to try to cure ear infections in babies, which often develop after vaccination, one vaccine manufacturer is testing a deadly antibiotic on babies with the blessing of a gutless FDA. The cowboy mentality that now prevails at the FDA and CDC, the federal health agencies responsible for the public health, is allowing drug companies to literally get away with murder as they ruthlessly test dangerous pharmaceuticals on babies and children.
The FDA is supposed to be policing the pharmaceutical industry, not acting as its treasurer and public relations agency. Any individual in government or industry, who participates in the killing or crippling of children and adults in clinical trials of drugs and vaccines known to cause harm, should be held accountable in a court of law. The same should hold true for individuals in government, industry or medical organizations who participate in the making of national health policies involving mandatory use by citizens of drugs and vaccines which can injure and kill.
Voluntary, informed consent to medical interventions which can injure and kill is a human right. How many of the parents, who allowed their babies to participate in a trial using an antibiotic which had already killed adults, had been fully informed about how deadly it was?
"To determine the effect of different amounts of the vaccines, researchers at the hospital inoculated newborns from mostly lower-income black families with doses ranging up to more than 100 times the dose recommended for adults."--Media (http://www.whale.to/m/sv403.html)
"At a conference in Christchurch, New Zealand, Dr. William Jordon, director of Infectious Diseases, stated, that virtually all field trials of new vaccines in the United States are done amongst indigenous tribes in Alaska and various other parts of the country."---Harry V. Martin freeamerica.com: The Leading America Site on the Net (http://www.freeamerica.com/GovernmentCtrl/govctrl8.html)
Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis during the 1950s and 1960s
Krugman S (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4827643&dopt=Abstract), Hoofnagle MD, Gerety RJ, Kaplan PM and Gerin JL. Viral hepatitis type B: DNA polymerase activity and antibody to hepatitis B core antigen. New England Journal of Medicine 1974; 290;24:1331-1335. NYU Medical Center, NY 10016.PMID: 4827643; UI: 74161717
"Under US army contracts, Saul Krugman from the New York University Medical Centre (another Army biological weapons contractor according to US Congressional Record) injected hundreds of mentally retarded children with cancer causing hepatitis B viruses."--Len Horowitz (p219 Healing Codes).
Willowbrook State School-Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis during the 1950s and 1960s on the severely mentally retarded . He systematically infected newly arrived children between the ages of three and eleven with strains of the virus obtained from the feces of Willowbrook hepatitis patients. This was done to study the natural history, effects, and progression of the disease. Franz Inglefinger, who later became the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine said, "By being allowed to participate in a carefully supervised study and by receiving the most expert attention available for a disease of basically unknown nature, the patients themselves benefited . . . How much better to have a patient with hepatitis accidentally or deliberately acquired under the guidance of a Krugman, than under the care of a rights-minded zealot." --Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
D.C. Children’s Center in Laurel in a section called the District Training School 60’s-Retarded children were used as human guinea pigs for both private industry and the government. Among the experiments, was the testing of NeoBazine a diet pill commonly referred to as "rainbow pills." They contained thyroxin, which caused tremors, nervousness, insomnia, and tachycardia. It was being tested for its safety and efficiency. In October 1964 the FDA found that the drug was not safe for use. In 1962 the children were again used to test a drug for skin diseases, which doctors strongly suspected caused serious side effects to the human liver. More than half the children tested suffered some liver dysfunction. Eight were admitted to D.C. General Hospital for intensive care. That same year, 17 Laurel Center children were used to study thyroid hormone metabolism in children. The children were injected with thyroxin mixed with radioactive iodine to aid doctors in tracing a body process. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
Vanderbilt University Hospital - 1945-49 at Prenatal Clinic At Vanderbilt-829 women were told to drink something that would be good for their fetuses. The drinks actually contained varying amounts of radioactive iron. Within an hour, the material crossed the placenta and began circulating in the blood of their unborn fetuses.“ In a study done in the sixties, scientists discovered four fatal malignancies among the children exposed to prenatal radiation and no cancers in the non-exposed group. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
Nasal Radium Irradiation - 1948-54 582 third graders in the Baltimore public schools were part of a 1948-1954 experiment conducted by Johns Hopkins to test the effects of Nasal Radium Irradiation. No medical notice or follow-up action was taken by the federal government, despite an earlier determination that these children had the greatest cancer mortality risk of any experiment it examined for which people were still alive and might benefit from medical notice and follow-up. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html) Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine
"Using kids as guinea pigs in potentially harmful vaccine experiments is every parents' worst nightmare. This actually happened in 1989-1991 when Kaiser Permanente of Southern California and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) jointly conducted a measles vaccine experiment. Without proper parental disclosure, the Yugoslavian-made "high titre" Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine was tested on 1,500 poor, primarily black and Latino, inner city children in Los Angeles. Highly recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), the high-potency experimental vaccine was previously injected into infants in Mexico, Haiti, and Africa. It was discontinued in these countries when it was discovered that the children were dying in large numbers."--Dr Alan Cantwell MD (http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell.html)
CDC Genocidal Measles Vaccine Experiments on Minority Children Turn Deadly
In an experiment to find out of they could give high-potency Edmonston Zagreb (EZ) measles vaccine to babies as young as four months old [completing disregarding developmental neurology and lack of myelinization in the nervous system of babies] in order to overwhelm their natural maternal antibodies and replace them with vaccine-induced antibodies, medical "researchers" at the CDC and Johns Hopkins University injected thousands of babies in the Third World with the experimental vaccine that reportedly caused chronic immune suppression and the deaths of an unknown number of babies. Also, in the United States, with the help of Kaiser Permanente, more than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in inner city Los Angeles were "enrolled" in the experiment starting in June 1990. [ During the administration of president and ex-CIA director George Bush.] The study was halted in October 1991, after more than one year of genocidal activity, after repeated reports from vaccine trial sites in Africa that girl babies were dying in higher than expected numbers six months to three years after injection. [ A less-than-admirable population control effort.]
http://www.cco.net/~trufax/vaccine/0696.html (http://www.cco.net/%7Etrufax/vaccine/0696.html)
"From 1989 to 1991, Kaiser Permanent along with the L.A. County Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), injected over 700 "mostly minority" babies with unlicensed experimental vaccines with fraudulently-obtained consent from the parents. One of the vaccines used, Edmonston-Zagreb high-titer, had already obtained a notorious reputation overseas for killing almost one out of every 13 babies in closely controlled studies in the Third World. In particular, use of the vaccine had been closely associated with an increased death rate among infants in Senegal, Guinea Bissau and Haiti before their second birthday. At least one baby in the L.A. County experiment died within this same two year window. When the final story is told, this will likely be one of the most scandalous affairs in the history of human experimentation to rival or exceed that of the German Nazis, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or the DOE radiation exposure experiments."---Keidi Obi Awadu (http://www.whale.to/v/awadu.html) (Outrage, The Conscious Rasta Report, Aug 1996) 7MAC Index Page (http://www.7mac.com/)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 11:00 AM
African disease statistics quotes
Freemason Treachery



[African statistics are used to promote vaccine or drug selling in the West, and to push the drug genocide in the third world. They just make up the statistics to suit. The 'AIDS' stats are classic, see AIDS in Africa quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html). They know vaccination is useless and that malnutrition, lack of clean water and other diseases such as malaria are the real problem, so it is pretty obvious what the real agenda is as Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html) points out nicely.]
See: AIDS in Africa quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html) Genocide & vaccination quotes (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html) ARV genocide quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/arv_genocide.html)
[2008] Lancet: Dozens of nations inflated vaccine numbers (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/lancet0.html)
Is it not, therefore, rather strange, Mr. President, that vaccination should be reported as so utterly harmless in the distant Philippines, where we can not easily get at the records, when we know it is so deadly in the nearby England and America, where the accessible records show that it causes, frequently, more deaths than smallpox, as I have already proved? For example: the great English Commission on Vaccination found that deaths from vaccination were sometimes as high as seventy deaths per million vaccinated. This is twice as high as the mortality from smallpox in the United States, which for five years, from 1901 to 1905, including our last great epidemic period of 1901 and 1902, averaged only thirty-four deaths per million population! [1920 USA] HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED AND ILLUSTRATED BY CHAS. M. HIGGINS (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/higgins_b.html)
For the president of South Africa, Mbeki, the discrepancy between what European and US newspapers write about his country (drastic population reduction) and what´s actually happening in his country (doubling of the population within the past 30 years), was striking, hence he refused to follow the general (American) AIDS-politics and instead, called the meeting of experts who had the task to examine whether or not HIV was actually the cause of AIDS. BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein (http://www.whale.to/a/kohnlein3.html)
Stats
The reality of the years between 1952 to 1970, and afterwards, prove that Dr Flegg’s mathematical equations are about as relevant as saying that the measles death rate in Africa, is comparable to the Measles death rate in UK.
In reply to Peter Flegg’s expansion of my question to him: no, it did not occur to me that Peter Flegg would decide to include the third world when the BMJ was discussing a topic based in UK.
But since Peter Flegg wishes to compare apples with army jeeps, let's discuss his concept of that as well. Flegg states that, "in 1999 there were estimated to be 873 thousand deaths from measles, reducing to 530 thousand in 2003."
Last year, WHO (2) stated that measles mortality in Africa had slashed the death rate from measles by 91% since 2000. This 91% is an artifact figure, because before 2000, measles in Africa was "estimated", while after 2000, notifications were only accepted after being laboratory proven. In 2000, WHO implemented a system of laboratories (3) specifically to diagnose measles, and provide the laboratory confirmed cases which are now the basis of WHO data.
Look at pages 2, and 14. On page 14, 14,185 cases were reported in 2006, but after blood testing, 9,764 were "discarded". That's an immediate 69% drop in cases, because they are no longer relying on doctor's eyes.
On page 2, of 14,185 cases, 3,257 were accepted, leaving a balance of 10,928 discarded measles cases which equals 77% which were NOT measles after being blood tested, but which would have been accepted on the pre- 2000 measles notification system. Comparing data from laboratory-confirmed blood tests after 2000, with pre-2000 guessing, and then claiming a 91% decline, is not a valid scientific comparison.
Which raises an obvious issue. Peter Flegg says that clinicians caring for measles cases " would have had no doubt. Acute measles is a relatively easy clinical and laboratory diagnosis." Did (and can) UK doctors do any better than those who guessed measles in Africa before 2000, or even New Zealand for that matter? That depends on who you listen to. ----Hilary Butler [Letters BMJ (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html) Becoming Ben Oct 2008] (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html)
In countries like UK the decades of pre-vaccine death decline is obviously due to factors unconnected with the use of any vaccine. For the same reason, the WHO media release claiming that the measles vaccine has reduced the measles death rates in Africa by 91% between 2000 – 2007, defies logic, analysis and reason for anyone who knows the facts. I note that Peter Flegg has stopped short of repeating that spectacular assertion. Perhaps it's because even he can see the ludicrousness of such a claim.
If that is the case, the Peter Flegg fails to mention that comparative data in the UK, uses the same "mistake". Total numbers without any laboratory confirmation before 1994, cannot be validly compared with laboratory-confirmed cases only. To do so is not legitimate "science". ----Hilary Butler (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler3.html) [Letters BMJ (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html) Becoming Ben Oct 2008] (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html)
"The WHO estimates that there are 200,000 cases of yellow fever (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/yellow1.html) per year worldwide--despite official WHO statistics through 2004 showing an average of less than 1,000 cases per year for the past 35 years. About 90% of cases occur in rural sub-Sahara Africa near the equator. the remaining cases occur in South America....Nigeria, the country with the greatest number of recorded cases since 1950, had just 49 cases from 1995 through 2004, with 11 deaths. Ghana had 13 during the same 10 year period. Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller. (p.447) (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/miller_b1.html)
According to government, measles was a threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five second and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. (http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm)
"They are running a monopoly and they will lie, cheat and steal to keep it that way....... I think that no person would permit anybody to get close to them with an inoculation if they would really know how they are made, what they carry, what has been lied to them about and what the real percent of danger is of contracting such a disease, which is minimal......And according to those figures as compared to those from the Encyclopaedia Britannica for that same year they had inoculated (in Africa) according to their statement, twenty million people more that the total population, every man woman and child of the countries in question. Now if you can lie so crassly and have enough people to back you up about lying about how many you inoculate the question may arise of have you inoculated any at all? Did you use the same …..what did you do? We don’t know anything they are saying be cause they are lying from the moment go. So you know you really have very little frame of reference excepting that there’s something very fishy in the whole process."---Dr Eva Snead (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead.htm)
Real problems in Africa ignored
They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense. What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur. In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition, better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among "vaccinologists" is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D. (http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html)
Malnutrition is to blame for more than half of all the deaths of children around the world -- including deaths caused by diarrhea, pneumonia, malaria and measles, researchers said on Thursday. Poor nourishment leaves children underweight and weakened and vulnerable to infections that do not have to be fatal, the team at the World Health Organization and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore found. They estimated that feeding all children worldwide an adequate diet would prevent about 1 million deaths a year from pneumonia, 800,000 from diarrhea, 500,000 from malaria, and 250,000 from measles...... They estimate that 52.5 percent of all deaths in young children were attributable to undernourishment, with nearly 45 percent of measles deaths and more than 60 percent of deaths from diarrhea associated with low weight and poor nutrition. [Media, Jun 17] Better Nutrition Could Save Millions of Kids-Study (http://www.whale.to/a/nutr1.html)
http://www.whale.to/a/image/donaldson.jpg (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html)In Africa polio does not kill anybody and they say it's very rare to catch. It's really very rare to get paralytic polio. They say it's in very rare circumstances, so what is it that is killing people in Africa ? Malaria. Every five seconds a child is dying of malaria in Africa. Now to get the dose of life-saving anti-malaria is about $5 but there is no government to give anti-malaria. When somebody gets malaria, if they have no money they even die. So the question I was asking and many people were asking was 'If you really want to help children, why begin with a disease that they don't have ? (applause) Why not look for something that is killing them and save them from what is killing them ?' And then (inaudible) ............. 'you know what, I like you very much. I save your children from this killer disease. Now there are no other diseases apart from this rare polio, so let's go and fight that as well.' But you don't begin with the rarest disease and spend all the government's meagre resources fighting polio, which is not a threat to most people, and then ignore something that is killing them in large numbers like malaria, like AIDS, like cholera, issues to do with sanitation, stunted growth - all the main things that matter to people the government was not fighting. Ugandan Kids Die By 1,000s ---A Transcript of a talk given by Kihura Nkuba (Nov 2002) (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.htm) [emphasis added]
"The forcing of them to take a vaccine against a disease they know to be harmless and which they know how to cure in its harmful state was seen as government hell bent on killing its own population for the benefit of commanding whiteworld.....Uganda spent nine million of its meager resources marketing this European product (the money spent would have build 120,000 protected water springs giving 30% of the country access to clean water, it would have built ten ultra modern research centers looking at, for example, pests that are threatening the banana crop, but government chose European impose priorities." "--Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm) 2003
Gates' gimmick of becoming a philantropist repeats the Rockefeller scam (http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/pharma_laws_history.html#rockefeller) almost one to one a century later.
But that is not enough. Gates serves as the financier of a whole shipload of ARV missionaries, including ex-U.S. President Clinton who promotes the deadly business with ARV drugs in Africa and other developing nations.
One may ask: don't they know the facts that toxic ARVs damage the immune system and actually accelerate immune deficiencies? Of course they do! So what is the motive for their action? It is strikingly simple:
If the governments of the developing worlds realize that the ARV genocide is the dirtiest way yet to replace the old colonial dependencies between the rich and poor nations of this planet, they will terminate this business. They will, like South Africa, choose a health care system independent of the sickening and economically devastating dependency from the pharmaceutical colonialism.
The equation is simple: the end of the AIDS business with disease will destroy the entire credibility of the pharmaceutical industry and will terminate the drug investment business worldwide. The collapse of this mulit-billion dollar investment business, in turn, will lead to a major crisis of the whole investment industry. In other words, the "Mother Theresa" PR-stunt of Bill Gates is a desperate, self-serving activity trying to stop this meltdown. If Gates is not successful, and the AIDS genocide by the drug cartel is ended, then the whole paper-wealth of Billy Gates is worthless.
Got it?
Considering the genocidal consequences of the activities of these organizations, especially in promotion of the ARVs, this entire program "Alliance for a Green Revolution" is nothing else than a fig leaf and another PR-stunt. The "marriage" between Gates and Rockefeller, 10 days after we exposed their business interests in Africa, is a confirmation for the accuracy of our exposure.---Dark cloud over good works of Gates Foundation (http://www.whale.to/a/gates1.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 11:21 AM
"My book instead proved that HIV – wherever it came from – was a harmless retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes – which are easily reversible – of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport (http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html)
See: Infection & nutrition (http://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html), Sanitation (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sanitation.html) Keith Harmon Snow (http://www.whale.to/b/snow_h.html)
See: Genocide in Africa via Oral Polio Vaccine (http://www.whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html) Genocide & vaccination (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html) WHO (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/who.html)http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos_13.jpg (http://www.whale.to/v/kalokerinos.html)
AIDS articles (http://www.whale.to/a/africa_aids_a.html)
WHO guidelines for diagnosing AIDS in Africa (http://www.whale.to/a/who_guidelines.html)
Gifting stories from Africa (http://www.whale.to/b/gifting_africa.html)
Letter by Hilary Butler to Johann Hari, re: This deadly resistance to vaccination (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler4.html)
[2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary Butler (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html)
Quotes
African disease statistics (http://www.whale.to/a/african_d_stats_q.html)
AIDS (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html)http://www.whale.to/a/hilary_b6.jpg (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html)
Africa: drugs, malnutrion, clean water, sanitation quotes (http://www.whale.to/v/africa_q.html)
Genocide & vaccination (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html)
ARV genocide (http://www.whale.to/a/arv_genocide.html)
Measles in Africa (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/africa_m.html)
Covert genocide
[HIV/AIDS] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport (http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html)
Vaccination (http://www.whale.to/v/biowarfare.html)
People
Anthony Brink (http://www.whale.to/a/brink_h.html) (AIDS, AZT)http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_b12.jpg (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.htm)
Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html) (Polio vaccine)
Awadu, Keidi Obi (http://www.whale.to/v/awadu.html)
Vaccination [See: Non UK & USA countries vaccination. (http://www.whale.to/a/non_uk.html)]
Africa media stories (http://www.whale.to/a/africa_media.html)
Zimbabwe (http://www.whale.to/a/zimbabwe.html)
Nigeria (http://www.whale.to/a/nigeria1.html)
Uganda (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/uganda_h.html)
allAfrica.com: Home (http://allafrica.com/)
All Things Pass - Investigations Journalism and Photography of Keith Harmon Snow (http://www.allthingspass.com/)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 12:01 PM
The Fallacy of Authority (Lying with the truth)
Medical control ploys (http://www.whale.to/m/map.html) Lying with the Truth (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html)
"A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent."---- William Blake (http://www.whale.to/a/blake_q.html)
"A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth." -- Albert Einstein, letter to a friend, 1901
"They must find it difficult...those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."---Gerald Massey
"(the) primary tool in reinforcing authoritarianism (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarians_h.html) is preaching fear (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy6.html).” -----John Dean (http://www.whale.to/b/dean_b.html)
[Authority is for people who can't or don't want to think (http://www.whale.to/a/thinking_q.html), these, called A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html)uthoritarian followers (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html) by Bob Altemeyer (http://www.whale.to/b/altemeyer_h.html) are easily duped and led by the amoral A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)uthoritarian leaders (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html), and authority is the other side of fear, as fear reinforces authoritarianism. These amoral leaders create pseudo-authorities or false Gods such as The Church of Allopathy (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/god.html). This false idol is wheeled out to defend Corporate poisons such as Vaccination. This is called Authority ploy or Lying with the truth (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html). Fascist states want no thinking (http://www.whale.to/a/thinking_q.html), and obedience to Corporate authority. Authority ploy is used all the time and never fails, from the lone "expert (http://www.whale.to/a/experts.html)" (pharma shill) wheeled on to shoot down non-corporate patentable alternative medicine and their supporters like Prince Charles (http://www.whale.to/b/charles.html), to the big multiple cannon when needed:
"I should say that the recommendations on measles mumps and rubella that the Government are following are supported by the World Health Organisation, the British Medical Association, the Royal College of General Practitioners, the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, the Royal College of Nursing, and the Community Practitioners’ and Health Visitors’ Association."--Tony Blair, Dec 18 2001
The idea that one of the above groups would speak out against vaccination is as likely as the cow jumping over the moon--backwards. They all sing from the same hymn sheet (and is as silly as all the car and road makers getting together and saying it would be a good idea to cut back on the railways and build more roads). You don't get to head up these outfits unless you are one of them, and no one is going to kill their career (and emigrate to Australia) by singing another song. Notice here how authority ploy has fooled this (Ignorance Is Strength) 'journo': "the list of organisations backing MMR is impressive - all the royal colleges, the Department of Health and the vast majority of doctors and nurses." [Media Feb 2006]. (http://www.whale.to/v/mmr190.html) Works well doesn't it?]
See: Appeal to the majority (http://www.whale.to/a/appeal_to_the_majority.html), Experts (http://www.whale.to/a/experts.html) A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html)uthoritarian followers (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html) A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)uthoritarian leaders (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)
Elliman Letter (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/elliman_letter.html)
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JBoy
11-07-2010, 12:26 PM
Cocaine quotes
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One Illuminati side benefit of illegal drugs is the massive increase in crime to feed habits (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#One_Illuminati_side_benefit_of_ille gal_drugs_is_the_massive_increase_in_crime_to_feed _habits_)
Fake war on drugs (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Fake%20war%20on%20drugs:)
Drugs used as weapon (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Drugs%20used%20as%20weapon:)Money laundered through Wall Street (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Money%20laundered%20through%20Wall% 20Street)
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THE CIA are the FREEMASONS

[Cocaine drug pushers] Pastor Sidney explained how it was that he could see demons: "People who are possessed tend to look at a fixed point and have a coldness around them--their eyes don't blink. The persons themselves are absent." It's like the Middle Ages… there's no purpose other than living another day (http://www.whale.to/b/middle.html) Sunday 29 November 2009
So, I sat down with Ted Kennedy (http://www.whale.to/b/kennedy_ted_h.html), and Ted was right next to me. And he said, "George, you're going to love this job. We're going to send you out to all the state Democratic functions. You're really good with money, and you raise money for the National Democratic Party.” And he said, "Then you're going to meet some real foxy ladies."
Well, they all think that way, frankly. It isn't just Ted, they all do. So I... and just coincidentally, my daughter walks in. Now, my daughter is a very attractive young lady.
Ted goes, "Wow, I have to go to bed with that."
And I said, "No, Ted. That's my daughter, and she's fourteen."
His response back to me: "I don't care."
That's when everything kind of stopped to me. I mean, I go, wait a minute. I gave him the guidelines. I mean, I know how he thought. But when he said he didn't care what I thought about it, then I just said, that's enough.
I got up, didn't say another word to Ted. I walked across the room. I'm talking to Pierre Trudeau and his wife. Pierre at that time was the Prime Minister of Canada. And I'm talking to him just to get my head leveled.
I mean I just looked at that character over there across the room - and I'll share with some of the other people who were there. I’m looking in front of Pierre and there was a little half cigar box full of white powder.
I grabbed the housekeeper, and I went into the back room, and I'm looking at the dresser, and on top of this dresser was this... is all these glass tubes. Now I went to the Colorado School of Mines. I majored in geophysics, and chemistry was just kind of a fun game, right? And I never looked at them. I couldn't believe what they were doing. I said, "What is this thing?” And they said, "It’s freebasing equipment." They're just using all this stuff. George Green: Interview transcript (http://projectcamelot.org/george_green_interview_transcript_1.html)
The Gary Webb murder. Impossible to commit suicide by shooting yourself TWICE in the head. The second shot was just to make sure everyone knew this was a state sanctioned hit, and to leave it alone. Which everyone did. Old news, I know, but what the hey...http://judicial-inc.biz/Gary_webb.htm CBSWORK (http://www.whale.to/b/cbswork.html)
Looking at the accumulated evidence that the Contras and the CIA engaged in cocaine smuggling to fund the covert war in Nicaragua, suspicion arises concerning the apparent coincidence that CIA-Contra drug smuggling was contemporaneous with the "war on drugs". From a CIA covert action in Latin America the cocaine has made its way NORTH (ala Oliver North) to the American consumer, who is consistently portrayed as African-American by the mass media, even though the majority of cocaine consumption is by whites. The disturbing prospect arises that this "war on drugs" was nothing more than CIA-style psychological warfare which sought to acquire as much as possible of the sum total of our civil liberties while particularly targeting minorities. The Duplicity of the War on Drugs (http://www.whale.to/b/drug23.html)
Pharma drugsLet's talk about bipolar disorder among kids. As one doctor said, that used to be so rare as to be almost nonexistent. Now we're seeing it all over. Bipolar is exploding among kids. Well, partly you could say that we're just slapping that label on kids more often; but in fact, there is something real going on. Here's what's happening. You take kids and put them on an antidepressant -- which we never used to do -- or you put them on a stimulant like Ritalin. Stimulants can cause mania; stimulants can cause psychosis.
.....so the kid ends up with a drug-induced manic or psychotic episode. Once they have that, the doctor at the emergency room doesn't say, "Oh, he's suffering from a drug-induced episode." He says he's bipolar
they give him an antipsychotic drug; and now he's on a cocktail of drugs, and he's on a path to becoming disabled for life. That's an example of how we're absolutely making kids sick.
Ritalin is methylphenidate. Now methylphenidate affects the brain in exactly the same way as cocaine. They both block a molecule that is involved in the reuptake of dopamine.
So methylphenidate is very similar to cocaine. Now, one difference is whether you're snorting it or if it's in a pill. That partly changes how quickly it's metabolized. But still, it basically affects the brain in the same way. Now, methylphenidate was used in research studies to deliberately stir psychosis in schizophrenics. Because they knew that you could take a person with a tendency towards psychosis, give them methylphenidate, and cause psychosis. We also knew that amphetamines, like methylphenidate, could cause psychosis in people who had never been psychotic before.
So think about this. We're giving a drug to kids that is known to have the possibility of stirring psychosis. Now, the odd thing about methylphenidate and amphetamines is that, in kids, they sort of have a counterintuitive effect. What does speed do in adults? It makes them more jittery and hyperactive. For whatever reasons, in kids amphetamines will actually still their movements; it will actually keep them in their chairs and make them more focused. So you've got kids in boring schools. The boys are not paying attention and they're diagnosed with ADHD and put on a drug that is known to stir psychosis. The next thing you know, a fair number of them are not doing well by the time they're 15, 16, 17. Some of those kids talk about how when you're on these drugs for the long term, you start feeling like a zombie; you don't feel like yourself.
Millions of kids! Think about what we're doing. We're robbing kids of their right to be kids, their right to grow, their right to experience their full range of emotions, and their right to experience the world in its full hue of colors. That's what growing up is, that's what being alive is! And we're robbing kids of their right to be. It's so criminal. And we're talking about millions of kids who have been affected this way. There are some colleges where something like 40 to 50 percent of the kids arrive with a psychiatric prescription. Psychiatric Drugs: An Assault on the Human Condition Street Spirit Interview with Robert Whitaker (http://www.whale.to/drugs/whitaker.html)
General For the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of LA and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerilla army run by the CIA. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America. It is one of the most bizarre alliances in modern history—the union of a US-backed army attempting to overthrow a socialist government and the Uzi-toting “gangstas” of Los Angeles. P. 297 Gary Webb. Mass Media Cover-up Leading Journalists Expose Major Cover-ups by Media Corporations (http://www.wanttoknow.info/massmediacover-ups)
We could not avoid witnessing the CIA protecting major drug dealers. Not a single important source in Southeast Asia was ever indicted by US law enforcement. This was no accident. Case after case was killed by CIA and State Department intervention and there wasn’t a damned thing we could do about it. CIA-owned airlines like Air America were being used to ferry drugs throughout Southeast Asia, allegedly to support our “allies.” CIA banking operations were used to launder drug money. P. 265
In 1972, I was assigned to assist in a major international drug case involving top Panamanian government officials who were using diplomatic passports to smuggle large quantities of heroin and other drugs into the US. The name Manuel Noriega surfaced prominently in the investigation. Surfacing right behind Noriega was the CIA to protect him from US law enforcement. As head of the CIA, Bush authorized a salary for Manuel Noriega as a CIA asset, while the dictator was listed in as many as 40 DEA computer files as a drug dealer. P. 266
The CIA and the Department of State were protecting more and more politically powerful drug traffickers around the world: the Mujihadeen in Afghanistan, the Bolivian cocaine cartels, the top levels of Mexican government, Nicaraguan Contras, Colombian drug dealers and politicians, and others. Media’s duties, as I experienced firsthand, were twofold: first, to keep quiet about the gush of drugs that was allowed to flow unimpeded into the US; second, to divert the public’s attention by shilling them into believing the drug war was legitimate by falsely presenting the few trickles we were permitted to indict as though they were major “victories,” when in fact we were doing nothing more than getting rid of the inefficient competitors of CIA assets. P. 266 ---Michael Levine Mass Media Cover-up Leading Journalists Expose Major Cover-ups by Media Corporations (http://www.wanttoknow.info/massmediacover-ups)
They were producing, out of each camp, about - and there were five of them that were producing cocaine - about 500 kilos a week. It wasn't a large operation, but it was large enough that the paste that was sent to them from Ramon Novarro's contacts in the Medellin cartel wasn't supplying paste fast enough, so they were actually flying bales of leaves up from Peru. Transcript of 12 hours of radio interview of Chip Tatum on Intelligence Report. Ted Gundersson interviewe 1999. (http://www.whale.to/b/chip.html)
From what I witnessed, illicit drugs and gun running backed much of the American economy....A group of American officials were selling munitions to a nation we were at war with....What looked like the defence of our nation or training of our troops was really drug transportation...the Presidents were usually well aware of this business.....Everyone in the government that held any position of power was well aware of these drug transactions and their importance to our country's economy. Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's mind control slave by Brice Taylor (http://www.whale.to/a/taylor.html) p243
The British elite got involved in shipping opium. The elite families got monopolies on the opium trade. The British empire’s military might and political clout was used to force China to allow the opium trade. Before the communists took over China, the British Illuminati families hid their opium trade behind the cover of the British American Tobacco Co. Later the Red Chinese would hide their opium trading behind the same front tobacco, with their state-run People’s Republic of China Tobacco Bureau. In fact, the Red Chinese opium trade was controlled by another Illuminatus, the P.R. President Li Xiannian. Li Xiannian is from the occult U family who are proud that they are the leading oriental Satanic family. President Li, a drug lord was finance minister of Red China from ’57-’75. He sold so much opium to the west that he was able to help Red China pay off her debts, and he was nicknamed ‘the money god.’ ..RJ. Reynolds was a partner with British American Tobacco Co. and was also involved in trading in opium for many years. R.J. Reynolds was also involved with the rigidly controlled tobacco industry. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 9. Reynolds (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/reynolds.html)
"Drugs have been a big help to the Illuminati's secret government. Society can be controlled by the control of drugs. This industry brings in unimaginable amounts of money which is accountable to no one. By making drugs plentiful at little or no price many people can be addicted and reduced to a form of euphemistic slavery under the complete control of the suppliers. An addict will do literally anything for a "fix".....
By making drugs hard to get and jacking up the price the controllers can create massive crime waves at anytime and at any place whenever they wish. These waves of crime frighten innocent law abiding People into agreeing to give up Rights and Freedoms in order to, "get the crime and drugs off the streets". Recent polls have claimed that a majority of the American People are willing to, "give up some of their Rights and Freedom in order to get the crime and drugs off the streets". After passing draconian legislation removing Rights and Freedoms the drugs are once again made plentiful and prices are lowered. And, what do you know... the crime disappears making the new laws look like they are actually working. This technique has been extensively used in the socialists war against the Second Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America."--Bill Cooper (http://www.whale.to/b/cooper.html)As example of how ingenious these plans are to create a One-World-Government consider the following part of it. The Drug War is not what it seems. It is a very ingenious scheme to enslave the American people, and destroy all their civil rights. The first rumblings of the Drug War part of The Plan seem to stir from the occult, so it is highly possible the Drug War originally was first developed by Satanists, perhaps even given during one of the Feasts of the Beast. The Drug War seems like the perfect plan, with no way for the Power to lose. First, the Power creates a drug culture in America. The Drug Culture would and did give many their first step into the Aquarian (New Age) conspiracy.6 (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#6.)
The Power would make billions of dollars by running drugs, to further finance other nefarious schemes, and could use their world-wide power to crush all their competitors. When the Power crushed and arrested their competitors in drug running, they would be hailed as hero's by the majority of people (and they have).
The introduction of drugs into society does several things. It taxes the Christian church’s ability to oppose immorality. It gets the public indignant about drugs, and the public’s moral outcry allows the Power to pass "drug" laws that remove the last vestiges of legal civil rights. In fact, the beguiled public demands the laws which abolish their rights, and applauds these laws in ignorance unknowing what the laws actually say and mean.
If the public somehow gets a complete picture that their government has been smuggling drugs to create a drug war in spite of the controlled media, or perhaps through the media at the right time, then they can create a scandal involving several U. S. Presidents to eliminate the U.S. government and switch the public’s allegiance to a world government. (See chapter 3.9 for more details and a chronology of the secretly planned escalation of today’s designed Drug War.) As an ex-Mason, who is very aware of their plans, said to this author, "These people are in it for the long-term." Bloodlines of the Illuminati 12. Russell (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/russell.html)
During the Simpson trial, Judge Ito gave Joe McGinniss the best front-row seat that a journalist could have. Joe McGinniss was the coverup author who wrote a book covering up about the McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case. The McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case involved the Illuminati drug smuggling operation within the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. Deeper Insights 5: SCIENCE NO. 5 - THE SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/spr5.html)
About 1925-26, his son Aristotle Onassis, who was from Smyrna, Turkey began secretly importing opium into Argentina from Turkey, under the cover and disguise of importing tobacco. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 8. Onassis (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/onassis.html)
The Illuminati of Europe via the Br. East India Co. wrested control from the Great Moguls of the Opium trade during the 18th and 19th century. People connected the Br. East India Co. were responsible for the creation of the Fabian Society. The Illuminati, already headquartered in London in the 19th century, allowed John Jacob Astor (see Jan. 1, ‘93 newsletter about the Astor family) beginning around 1815 to operate an opium smuggling operation. Besides Astor’s ships picking up quicksilver and lend at Gibraltar, and iron/steel from northern Europe, his ships picked up opium at Smyrna, Turkey. The opium was then sold in China. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 8. Onassis (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/onassis.html)
The Triads have operated in the United States for over 100 years, and are major drug handlers working in cooperation with the Illuminati Kings, and most Americans do not even know they exist. And although America has ethnic Chinese, Americans of Chinese descent do not speak the Chinese dialects that undercover agents would have to know to break into the Triad operations.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
In 1973, the British authorities moved against the Americans and British agents on the Drug Squad and forced some resignations. It is not exactly clear what the details of the whole mess were, but the process was that for 2 years there was essentially no coherent drug squad in London.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The Mafia had tried to maintain its position in the drug activity, but the Mafia wasn’t in a position to buy directly from the prime sources. The Chiu Chau Triads had operated in Saigon and Vietnam during the Vietnam war bringing in drugs for the American soldiers. The Corsican syndicates (organized crime) had connections in Vietnam. They introduced the Mafia to the Triads. The Corsicans had been known as the French connection in the drug trade. They had worked with supplies coining from Turkey, through Lebanon, and then to Marseilles, France. Now the Triads ship Asian drugs to the U.S. via South America, and the Triads control the drug trade in New York City almost totally now. Bear in mind that the Triad leaders did this only after working out agreements with the top Illuminati families. If the top Illuminati families were not cooperating, the Triads would be out of business. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
Vancouver, B.C., San Francisco, New York, London, Manchester, and Amsterdam (not to mention Macao and Hong Kong) are some of the big bases of Triad Operation. Money is made by extortion, gambling, prostitution, drugs, or any other way to make a profit. The Triads have worked with the CIA in creating the drug network. The creation of the Golden Triangle as a source for drugs was a joint CIA-Triad operation. The Chinese communists couldn’t pass up the opportunity to debauch America. The Red Chinese government has secretly worked with the Triads in supplying heroin and opium knowing that these drugs were going to U.S. military bases. U.S. garrisons in Germany were supplied high grade drugs that came through the Triads, either grown under Triad supervision or in places like Red China. One of the kingpins in this drug trade was Lumpy Ho, whose business fronts were known as the Dutch Connection.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The Triads are known to have been operating in London since the 1890s, and may have been operating even before that. It wasn’t until the 1960 drug culture that the Triads began to catch more attention due to their large involvement in the drug trade. In 1971, the Triads introduced Pure No. 4 heroin into England to replace the ‘Brown Sugar’ that the Rolling Stones sang about.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
General Li Mi fled to the Golden Triangle and was provided via CIA agents supplies. It was Li Mi who started up the poppy fields to produce drugs that would be marketed by the other top Illuminati families. It was not chance that Li began opium production. The whole affair was a carefully calculated event by the Illuminati who have made millions running drugs for centuries.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican controls all of the drug trade-all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Columbia. Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat.Mussolini had a concordat.Francohad aconcordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.
So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn't want the drug trade out of Columbia, they'd end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the Jesuit General.
And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit 'black ships' that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and everything they could pull out of the East, including opium.
The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by the Trafficantefamily throughout the United States-Santos Trafficante out of Miami.
So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade. We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of Kennedy. Eric Jon Phelps (http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html)
Let’s just make it plain, the Satanic hierarchy is behind the drug problem. Lewis’ family was very upset that he was helping the enemy, and they got a judge to rule that Lewis was incompetent to handle his financial affairs, and the court declared that Lewis can have on $15,000 per/year of his fortune. The duPonts also tried to stop his wedding. A federal informant saved Lewis from getting captured, and taken 60 miles into the Atlantic on his father’s yacht to be tortured and programmed. His family had hired a motorcycle gang with black hoods and some CIA-Green Beret types to kidnap Lewis. Lewis managed to get wind of the scheme and save himself. He tried to get his family on conspiracy to kidnap, but the duPont family bear in mind as one of the top 13 Illuminati families owns justice in this country. He failed to get his family on the conspiracy charge. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 4. DuPonts (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/duponts.html)
But the fact that the government has been involved in illegal narcotics trafficking, literally overdosing our own people, not third world target audiences, as we would expect, I think is important.....The point is that I had personal knowledge of CIA drug-trafficking.....At that time we had knowledge that the CIA was trafficking in illegal narcotics using Air America, which we over there had our own name for. We called it Air Opium.....As a matter of fact I was surprised and pleased to see the movie Air America finally come out because it showed for maybe the only time in history where the Pepsi Cola plant was set up in Laos, not to put mom and pop bottling companies out of business but rather to do the rather more sophisticated steps of taking opium and morphine into number four Asian [heroin] hell. Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey
One recovering Monarch slave tells about how her father was the mayor of an important city in Pennsylvania. He was part of the Illuminati and he introduced drugs into his area, and had a monopoly on illegal drugs in the area. As mayor he established the first drug hot line, so that people could inform authorities about drug trafficking. He staffed the drug hot line with his own people and this allowed him to get tips to eliminate his competition. The intelligence agencies which are using mind-control are hiding their drug trafficking and criminal activities. One of the ways they do this is the so-called War on Drugs. The situation is so bad and widespread that even the controlled media has had news where they reported CIA agents smuggling drugs seized in South America into the U.S. using government channels. The Illuminati Formula (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/5.html) 5. The Skill of Lying, The Art of Deceit (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/5.html)
The ceremonies to kill and resurrect the zombie are full of magic and demonology also. Magic, drugs and demonology have always gone hand in hand. Drugs remove the part of the will that prevents demonic possession. Drugs are considered powerful demonizing substances by the those skilled in Demonology. If demonic possession is seen as part of mind-control, then cocaine, hashish, crack, and some of the other drugs are part of the effort to enslave people. The Illuminati Formula (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/3.html) 3. THE USE OF DRUGS (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/3.html)
One Illuminati side benefit of illegal drugs is the massive increase in crime to feed habitsMost crimes that are committed in this country are because of drugs and the CIA bringing the drugs in like by the planeload. Transcript of 12 hours of radio interview of Chip Tatum on Intelligence Report. Ted Gundersson interviewe 1999. (http://www.whale.to/b/chip.html)
" By making drugs hard to get and jacking up the price the controllers can create massive crime waves at anytime and at any place whenever they wish. These waves of crime frighten innocent law abiding people into agreeing to give up Rights and Freedoms in order to, "get the crime and drugs off the streets". Recent polls have claimed that a majority of the American People are willing to, "give up some of their Rights and Freedom in order to get the crime and drugs off the streets". After passing draconian legislation removing Rights and Freedoms the drugs are once again made plentiful and prices are lowered. And, what do you know... the crime disappears making the new laws look like they are actually working. This technique has been extensively used in the socialists war against the Second Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America."--Bill Cooper (http://www.whale.to/b/cooper.html)Fake war on drugs:
"And what happened to me was that I met and fell in love with a woman who was a contract CIA agent, a career agent. Now, I come from a CIA family and they had tried to recruit me, so this was not unexpected to me, but I began to see that she was protecting drug shipments and that the Agency was actively involved in dealing drugs......we teach now with From The Wilderness is that it wasn't just CIA dealing some drugs to fund covert operations. It is that drug money is an inherent part of the American economy. It has always been so, as it was with the British in the 1600s when they introduced opium into China to fund the triangular trade with the British East India Company. ...... The CIA has dealt drugs for all 50 years of its existence--50 plus years, even before it was the CIA. And the point is that with 250 billion dollars a year in illegal drug money moved, laundered through the American economy, that money benefits Wall Street. That's the point of having the prohibitive drug trade, which the CIA effectively manages for the benefit of Wall Street."---Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Just before the Contra war, the annual cocaine consumption in this country was about 50 metric tons a year; let's say back in 1979. By 1985, it was 600 metric tons a year. We are still consuming 550 metric tons of cocaine a year in this country, and the money that's generated from that is used........ Philip Morris is now being sued by 28 departments (the same thing as states) in Colombia for smuggling two billion dollars worth of Marlboro cigarettes into Colombia and getting paid for it with cocaine money! That money boosts Philip Morris's stock value on Wall Street; General Electric the same way...it's documented in the US Department of Justice. So the purpose of the Agency being involved in the drug trade has been to generate illegal cash, fluid liquid capital, which gives those who can get their hands on it an unfair advantage in the marketplace."---Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Well, it's not a War on Drugs. It's a War on People. Consider this: Joseph McNamara, a former chief of San Jose from the Hoover Institute at Stanford University, published some really telling figures. In 1972, when Richard Nixon started the War on Drugs, the annual federal budget allocation was 110 million dollars a year for enforcement. In fiscal year 2000, 28 years later, the budget allocation was 17 billion dollars a year, and yet, in the year 2000, there are more drugs in this country, they are cheaper, and they are more potent than they were in 1972. That has to tell you that there's some other agenda going on here. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Drugs used as weapon against minorities:
There are a number of ways to look at that. For the British, the introduction of opium into China was a means to an end. China was a homogeneous culture. When the British arrived there, they were these Caucasian heathens. The Chinese didn't want anything to do with them; they didn't want to give up their tea, they didn't want to give up their silk, and the British said "We can't have this". They went to India and grew the opium poppy in east India, in the foothills of the Himalayas, and smuggled it to China. And what they did over the course of a hundred years was they converted China from a homogeneous culture that was unified, into a society of warlords fighting for turf to see who had which drug-dealing regions. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Babies born to crack mothers began to fill inner city hospitals, with each baby costing from $100,000 to $200,000 in terms of medical care costs..... The cost of caring for one of these children in New York is over $17,000 a year. From a period extending from five years after 1985, New York State alone has produced 467,000 such children, more than the entire population of Birmingham, Alabama. It has been estimated that some 40 to 60 percent of students in some inner city classrooms will be crack children in the near future. As a result, child care centers are overwhelmed, and the taxpayer is picking up the tab.
In New York, the number of drug-related crimes from 1979 to 1988 increased 500 percent. Other cities saw similar increases, with murder increasing exponentially. Americans are forty-four times more likely to be murdered than Japanese and seventy-three times more likely to be murdered than Austrians. This is especially true for males between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four, mostly as a result of drugs. Since 1965 the arrest rate for this age group has increased 300 percent.
In the Communist Manual of Instructions of Psychological Warfare (http://www.whale.to/b/soviet.htm), Beria describes the usefulness of these drugs when he states: "With it you can erase our enemies as insects. You can cripple the efficiency of leaders by striking insanity into their families through the use of drugs...By making readily available drugs, by giving the teenager alcohol, by praising his wildness, by stimulating him with sex literature...the operator can create the necessary attitude of idleness and worthlessness into which can be cast the solution...."Neuropharmacology as a Long-Range Strategic War Policy by Russell L. Blaylock, MD (http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock4.html)
"What the Agency has done.... through institutions like the Rand Corporation and UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute..... is they have deliberately engaged in pharmacological research to find out which drugs are most addictive. ....... So the CIA knew in 1980 exactly what the effects of crack were going to be when it hit the streets." Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
" Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing [and Urban Development, HUD]... produced a map in 1996, August of 1996--that's the same month that the Gary Webb story broke in the San Jose Mercury News. It was a map that showed the pattern of single family foreclosures or single family mortgages--HUD-backed mortgages--in South Central Los Angeles. But when you looked at the map all of these HUD foreclosures, they were right in the heart of the area where the crack cocaine epidemic had occurred. And what was revealed by looking at the HUD data was that, during the 1980s, thousands of middle-class African American wage-earning families with mortgages lost their homes. Why? There were drive-by shootings, the whole neighbourhood deteriorated, crack people moved in next door, your children got shot and went to jail and you had to move out. The house on which you owed $100,000 just got appraised at $40,000 because nobody wanted to buy it and you had to flee; you couldn't sell it, so you walked on it. And what Catherine's research showed was that someone else came along and bought thousands of homes for 10 to 20 cents in the dollar in the years right after the crack cocaine epidemic.
So the economic model is the same one that's always been in play for the ruling elite: use the poor people's money to steal their own land. You get the poor people to buy the drugs, using their money; you take that money to bring in more drugs, which destroys their property value, and then you steal it back. ..... it's been documented by ..... Professor John Metzger at the University of Michigan, who is one of my subscribers; he has a doctorate of urban planning. It was discussed in the Kerner Commission Report in 1967 after the Detroit riots, where it became US government policy that no more than a quarter of the population of any major inner city should be minority. "Spatial deconcentration" they call it, which really sounds Nazi to me, but it's in the Kerner Commission Report.
So the plan is literally to kill, loot...let me make it real simple...it's "Kill the Indians, take the land, take the wealth". So it is something of a misnomer or a misconception to believe that all of the cocaine or all of the crack cocaine was only used by African Americans. There was almost as much crack being used by whites as there was by African Americans, certainly in terms of total consumption.
...... one of the biggest investors in HUD multi-family units and HUD mortgages is Harvard University. It is a huge corporation that has a long list of ties to organised crime. Well, you take major firms like Harvard or related investment firms that also turn out to be huge campaign contributors, and they find out that there are 200 houses on the market for 20 cents in the dollar and they don't ask how it got that way; they just follow the money. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Whites probably consumed more cocaine than African Americans, but they consumed powder. And what we saw was a deliberate effort by the Agency or Agency-related organisations to make sure that the large quantities of the cocaine, and the high-quality cocaine, got into the inner cities like Los Angeles. It was protected. And that's what I saw with the LAPD. I saw the hands-on working relationship, the interface between local police departments and the CIA.Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
I was first recruited when I was a senior at UCLA. The Agency flew me to Washington and said: "Mike, we want you to become a CIA case officer. You've already interned for LAPD for three years, you interned for the chief, your family was CIA, your mother was NSA. We want you to go back to the LAPD, and being an LAPD cop will just be your cover." Now the Agency has done that; we've documented it in New Orleans, in New York, in police departments all across the country. And I've seen the interface where the CIA will deal very quietly with local agencies to protect their drug operations. That's one of the reasons they have to do it; it weeds out competition. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Money laundered through Wall Street
"But one guy I talked to was a guy named Rex Nutting, who was the bureau chief of CBS Market Watch--he is the head guy for CBS for the stock market. And we're sitting back in the room--I'm waiting for Huffington to get free--and I'm talking to this guy about the fact that Richard Grasso, the Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, last July went to Colombia and cold-called on the FARC guerrillas and asked them to invest their drug money in Wall Street. And Rex Nutting says: "Well, of course they always go where the money is. It's obvious." The drug money is always going through Wall Street. Wall Street smells money and doesn't care where the money comes from; they'll go for the drug money. And we jokingly laughed that the National Security Act that created the CIA in '47 was written by a guy called Clark Clifford, who was a Wall Street banker and lawyer. He's the guy that brought us BCCI. The job of writing the outline for CIA, the design for the Agency, was given to Clark Clifford by John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles--both law partners in the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. In '69 after Nixon came in, the Chairman of SEC [Securities and Exchange Commission] was William Casey--the same guy who was Ronald Reagan's Director of Central Intelligence. And the current Vice President in charge of enforcement for the New York Stock Exchange, Dave Dougherty, is a retired CIA General Counsel. The CIA is Wall Street, and vice versa. When you understand that, and that money is the primary objective, everything else just falls into place.Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
The map that we're following--and this is where I agree wholeheartedly with Le Monde in Paris, a fabulous publication that's about to give us a pretty decent endorsement in September [2000], this month--is that organised crime is probably the lubricating force for the entire world economy right now. There's a trillion dollars a year in organised crime money. That trillion dollars a year is liquid, and if you think of money--criminal money, drug money--as water, which is thin, it can flow very quickly from point A to point B. And in the world markets, where you apply money is where you control business. You control markets. You control banks. You control interest rates. Drug money flows fastest. Money that is not criminal money has to go through regulations and banking systems. It has to go through taxations. It's tracked. The lawyers follow it. That money moves like molasses.
So those who have access to the cheapest capital always win. That's why if you don't play with drug money in the world economy today, you can't play at all. That's why, as we have documented, drug money was going directly into Al Gore's presidential campaign. Why? Because the Republicans, going as far back as Reagan, were using drug money, and that's how they put Reagan into office--with Bill Casey. If you don't play in that mode, you can't play at all. But the analogy I use is that it's like a snake eating its own tail: it's got to stop sooner or later.
Media
As far as the major media go, it's real simple. First of all, if you look at what just happened with AOL and Time Warner who own CNN. We have proven in From The Wilderness that CNN flat lost a lawsuit over the use of sarin gas during Vietnam. The Tailwind suits were settled and the former producer, April Oliver, just bought a six-bedroom house. I mean, CNN cannot afford to tell the truth, because what happened when they tried to tell the truth is that Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell picked up the phone and scared Ted Turner to death by threatening his stock value on Wall Street. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
It's very interesting to note that one of the companies I track as far as laundering drug monies go--General Electric--happens to own NBC. Now, everybody knows that GE brings good things to life; they make DVDs, VCRs, television sets, telephones. When drug money in South America says they'd like to buy 100 million dollars worth of TVs and DVDs so that someone laundering drug money in Colombia can open a chain of appliance stores and make that money legal, GE asks absolutely no questions about where that money is coming from. As a matter of fact, there are no requirements for Wall Street to report drug money being invested.
So we're living in a hugely inflated bubble, and not one of the major media outlets in this country--all of which are publicly traded corporations afraid of takeover, trying to maximise profits--can afford to tell the truth. That's why we see these great opportunities for little organisations like From The Wilderness, and you guys, and everybody else that's coming up now--because what we're peddling is the truth, and what we find is that the truth sells!

JBoy
11-07-2010, 01:06 PM
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JBoy
11-07-2010, 04:40 PM
Satanic hand signal[/URL]
[Some of these appear to be [URL="http://lompocfundamentalbaptistlinks.net/handsigns.htm"]faked (http://www.whale.to/b/satanism.html). The Horned Hand or "Cornuto" represents the Devil, Satan, The Goat (the Baphomet--probably a Reptilian in disguise). It is a sign of recognition between those that are in the occult. It is also used at heavy metal and rock concerts to affirm their allegiance to the music's message and the band members. Ref (http://members.tripod.com/%7ERU_BOLD/occult_practices.html) It is similar to the sign for I Love you, but Helen Keller, who developed sign language, was into Theosophy (founded by Satanist Blavatsky (http://www.whale.to/b/blavatsky_h.html)), the satanic group that Krishnamurti rejected.http://www.whale.to/b/manocornuto.gif
Likewise the The "V" Sign (http://www.whale.to/b/v_s.html) has a good cover.]






Satanic hand signal (http://www.whale.to/b/hand.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Real History of Satanismby Lyndon LaRouche (http://www.whale.to/b/larouche_h.html) www.LaRouchePub.com (http://www.larouchepub.com/)
Anglo-American Satanists (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#Anglo-American_Satanists_)
THE LUCIS TRUST: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_LUCIS_TRUST:_)
THE WICCA CULT: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_WICCA_CULT:_)
THE AGE OF AQUARIUS: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_AGE_OF_AQUARIUS:_)
SATAN ROCK: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#SATAN_ROCK:_)
The Satanist Mind (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#The_Satanist_Mind_)
Modern Witchcraft (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#Modern_Witchcraft_) Anglo-American Satanists
The best-organized Satanist forces operating presently inside the United States include the following prominent organizations:
THE LUCIS TRUST: This is the leading, putatively respectable Britain-based Satan cult (it worships Lucifer). The Lucis Trust, which runs the only religious chapel at the New York United Nations headquarters, The Temple of Understanding, was originally founded as the Lucifer Trust, in London, in 1923. The Lucis Trust associated with the UNO is the New York affiliate of the British organization. The name was changed from Lucifer Trust, to Lucis Trust, to make the nature of the organization less conspicuous.
The Lucis Trust's leading sponsors include the following prominent figures:
Henry Clausen, Supreme Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern District Scottish Rite
Freemasons
Norman Cousins
John D. Rockefeller IV
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Marshall Field family
Robert McNamara
Thomas Watson (IBM, former US Ambassador to Moscow)
The United Lodge of Theosophists of New York City
U. Alexis Johnson, former Undersecretary of State
Rabbi Marc Tannenbaum, American Jewish CommitteeProminent front-organizations sponsored by the Lucis Trust, include the following:
The Theosophical Order of Service (founded by Annie Besant in1908)
The Theosophical Society (founded by Helena P. Blavatsky in 1875)
The United Nations Association
The World Wildlife Fund UK
The Findhorn Foundation
Greenpeace International
Greenpeace USA
Amnesty International
The Nicholas Roerich Society (chief connection to Russian mysticism, spirituality)
The Anthroposophs of Rudolf Steiner
The Rudolf Steiner School [these could not be genuine followers of Steiner]
UNESCO
UNICEF
The American Friends Service Committee
THE ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS (OTO):
This is today's best-known of the hard-core, British-based Satanist cults. Like the Lucis Trust, the OTO is a direct off-shoot of the work of Britain's leading twentieth-century Satanist, Theosophy leader Aliester Crowley. OTO enthusiasts claim this organization is an offshoot of Templar freemasonry, and hint at very influential protection from among Templars very high in British freemasonry.
THE WICCA CULT: The WICCA cult came to the surface early during the post-war period, as a legalized association for the promotion of witchcraft. It is the leading publicly known international association of witches in the world today.
In the United States, WICCA's outstanding sponsor is the New York Anglican (Episcopal) diocese, under Bishop Paul Moore. Officially, New York's Anglican Cathedral of St. John the Divine has promoted the spread of WICCA witchery through its Lindisfarne center. The late Gregory Bateson conducted such an operation out of the Lindisfarne center during the 1970s.No later than the 1970s, and perhaps still today, the crypt of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, is the headquarters for solemn ceremonies of the British (Venerable) Order of Malta. Key figures, such as Gregory Bateson's former spouse, Dame Margaret Mead, associated with that British order, have been associated with projects in support of the Satanist "Age of Aquarius" cause.
For obvious reasons, U.S. witches have chosen Salem, Massachusetts, as their national center. One of the most important operations of these witches is their coordination of the hardcore of U.S. astrology rackets. THE AGE OF AQUARIUS:
The "Age of Aquarius," or "New Age," is the generic name adopted by the modern Satanist movement. The best-publicized among the founders of the Age of Aquarius movement include Fyodor Dostoevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Alex Muenthe (of Capri notoriety), and Aleister Crowley. Most Aquarians trace the origins of modern Satanism to Nietzsche and Crowley.Anti-Christ cultist Nietzsche announced that the twentieth century would see the end of the Age of Pisces, which Aquarians associate with the figures of Socrates and Christ; Nietzsche prophesied that the New Age would be the Age of Aquarius, which he identified with the Satanic figure Dionysos. Crowley announced himself publicly a devotee of Nietzsche's New Age cult in his Vienna Theosophy magazine, near the beginning of this century, and indicated as his preferred choice of name for Satan.
Among hard-core insiders, the New Age models its dogma on the Magis' cult of Mithra, as Nietzsche did. The cult has notable affinities to the Bulgarian-Cathar Bogomil cult(from which the slang term "buggery" is derived). The New Age's most celebrated historical figure, its choice for the original "incarnation" of the Anti-Christ, is the Roman Emperor Tiberius who ordered the execution of Christ. [Some Roman emperors, most notably Caligula, became possessed by being initiated without being suitably prepared.] Adolf Hitler and Hermann Goering were among the notable figures who followed this cult.The best-known coordinating-center for the Age of Aquarius project in the U.S.A. today is Palo Alto, California's Stanford Ressearch Institute, whose Willis Harman is the relevant leading personality. See Harman disciple Marilyn Feruguson's 1980 Aquarian Conspiracy for a popular exposition of Harman's views and program for subversion of the United States. Ferguson is accurate when she reports that the Fabian Society's H.G. Wells (World War I boss of British intelligence) is a key figure of the Aquarian Conspiracy. Also key are Wells' ally, Bertrand Russell, and such Russell cronies as Robert M. Hutchins (Chicago University, Ford Foundation, Fund for the Republic, Aspen Institute, and the project).
Both Margaret Mead and her husband Gregory Bateson were close collaborators of Russell and Hutchins from no later than 1938. The brothers, Aldous (Hollywood) and Julian (UNO) Huxley were collaborators of H. G. Wells, and were recruited to Crowley's Satanist cult during the late 1920s. SATAN ROCK:
Since the launching of the Beatles as an international project, via TV's , in 1963, "rock" has been the most influential recruiter to Satanism. Rock was created, and is still coordinated by Crowley's followers and by the OTO network, in cooperation with WICCA. It is, not so incidentally, also the Satanist's biggest money-maker, and believed to provide the chief logistical support for deployments and other activities of the OTO-WICCA efforts world-wide.There is nothing spontaneous or accidental about "rock." It is a product of classical studies of the ancient Phrygian terrorist cult of Satan-Dionysos, the model for the Roman Bacchic cults of similar characteristics. Crowley's control of the "rock industry" has been documented by a team of [private] investigators, who have also noted, that in addition to the Satanist lyrics, Satanist messages embedded sublimally in rock recordings are a key feature of this subversive operation.
The "rock rythm" itself is copied from the old Dionysian-Bacchic cults. Even without the drugs and sexual orgies which are characteristic features of hard-core rock affairs, repeated,frequent, hours-long exposure to constant repetition of "rock rythms" produces lasting, drug-like effects on the mind of the victim. Reducing sexual practices to the level of bestiality,is a crucial feature of Satanism in all historical periods studied, from Phrygian Cybele-Dionysos cult-period onward.From western continental Europe, among the threats to the U.S. from this quarter, the two leading open centers for hard-core Satanism today, are Turin, Italy (where actress ElizabethTaylor's "Live AIDS" project attempted to sponsor an aborted Satan-rock festival), and Lausanne, Switzerland.
The Satanist MindSatanists already have numerous victims. Most of the sexual and related atrocities perpetrated upon "disappeared" infants and other children, are done as part of the rituals outlined in manuals of Satanist organizations. A leading police association has received expert estimate, that of all known murders, one in five is a ritual murder, like the ritual London assassination of Italy's Roberto Calvi, perpetrated by members of Satanist cults. The "Son of Sam" murders in New York, and the Cobb County-based cult operations in the so-called "Atlanta child-murders," fit into this pattern.
Satanism is not "just another nutty occult fad." The mind of the Satanist is pure evil; the Satanist is a former person who has been transformed into something no longer human. It begins like drug-addiction; the prospective recruit to Satanism "gets into something" on a playful impulse, but then finds himself or herself gripped by compulsions which he or she can no longer control. Drugs and other special circumstances may be significant collateral features of the initiation, but not necesarily. The key is "letting oneself go," into the depths of acting-out impulses which combine sexual impulses and rage as a unity, and expressing this form of "pleasure" in the form of an act which violates an important precept of one's own conscience.
Nietzsche's writings, especially toward the last period of life preceding his mental breakdown, address these special sorts of emotions, and refer implicitly to terrible obscene acts as the prospective fulfilment of such impulses. Nietzsche recognized these impulses as Satanic --dionysiac-- in quality. [Dionysiac activity, or wild abandon, by itself leads to non-demonic possession. Becoming demonically possessed requires killing, torturing, or tormenting someone with a neutral or positive attitude.]Ordinarily we think of the criminal mind as representing a person whose goals are based on "normal human impulses," but whose choice of means is immoral. Doing something illegal is not necessarily immoral; the useful definition of the criminal mind, is the person inclined to prefer immoral means as short-cuts to some goal usually not inconsistent with normal human impulses. In the case of the Satanist, we touch upon something way beyond such a mere criminal mind.
Imagine a criminal mind which has undergone a curious transformation. Perhaps, formerly, this fellow was an habitual thief, even of that sort of twisted mind which delighted in occasions he might have imagined he had pretext to exert the power of life or death over some chance victim on the scene of his crime. Yet, up to that point, robbery or kindred results were always the prompting of his criminal activity.Now, he has changed. Crime is no longer motivated by the impulse to employ cruel means for personal gain. Instead, the pleasure of the sense of power realized in employing viciously cruel means, becomes an end in itself. This form of criminal pleasure becomes a blend of rage and sexuality. Jaded appetites create the mental state in that man, that he must do something more monstrous than he has done before, to realize the desired level of orgiastic pleasure from the evil deed. Evil for the purpose of doing evil, has become for him, a goal in and of itself. This man has become a beast, a virtual Satanist.
That is the state of mind which Satanism seeks to develop inits initiates. It might begin with an ordinary sexual act performed under the influence of an ugly state of mind. Soon, something much more degraded becomes a need for the prospective initiate's rapidly jaded appetites. In contrast to the healthy mind, which seeks always to become better in what is being mastered, for the initiate to Satanism, a sense of need develops, to seek to muster oneself to do something much worse than one has ever done before. Satanic cults organize that degraded process of self-degeneration. The potential for endemic incidence of individual bestiality within society, is transformed into an organized,institutionalized form of social behavior.The tradition of the "Black Mass," points to the mechanisms of Satanism as such. Nietzsche's instruction is much to the point. Perform some really monstrous act of blasphemy, and associate that blasphemous doing with some sort of degraded,orgiastic pleasure.
Go back to ancient Mesopotamia, whence Satanism was transmitted to western Europe. The relevant figure of Satanism is not a male, but a female figure. The male figure --Satan, Baal, Lucifer, and so on--is a subordinate figure; the female principle of evil is pre-dominant. Hence, Satan's mother, the "Whore of Babylon,"known otherwise as the Chaldean Ishtar, the Caananite Astarte,Isis, Venus, or the Phrygian Cybele. The ritual of the priestesses of Ishtar was an obscene "religious service" which concluded with the priestesses' fornicating with the congregation. Hence, "Whore of Babylon," and the associated position of Ishtar, Athtar, Astarte, Isis, and Venus as the patron goddess of prostitution. This satanic cult-practice was introduced to Mesopotamia from pre-Aryan India [which was Inanna/Ishtar's assigned domain - see Sitchin's Wars of Gods and Men]. The so-called "Harrappan" culture, featuring the Earth-Mother and fertility goddess Shakti and her satanic male figure Siva, established a set of colonies in the Middle East. The Sumer established as a colony by what the local semites named "the black-headed people" (Dravidians), was a Harrapan colony. There, among the semites, Shakti became known as Ishtar. In the Harrapan colony of Sheba-Ethiopia, Shakti became known as Athtar. In the Caananite ("Phoenician") offshoot of Harrapan colonizing, she became known as Astarte. The Hellenic cults of Isis and Osiris, were offshoots of the Harrapan cult of Shakti-Siva, by this route. When the same cult spread to an Indo-european people, the Phrygians, Shakti-Siva assumed the Indo-european forms of Cybele and Dionysos (day-night). Apollo and Lucifer are variants of the name for Satan-Osiris-Dionysos. [Ishtar was ambitious.]
Among the Caananites, for example, Satanism expressed itself in such forms as the worship of Moloch, with the included custom of making a human sacrifice of the first-born of each marriage. Notably, that Caananite tradition is featured in the modern Satanists' ritual sexual and homicidal rituals upon infants and children used as human sacrifices.By combining the means by which men and women are degraded into potentially satanic forms of beasts, as rituals associated with Satanism practised as an "anti-religion," large-scale Satanic movements are developed through systematic proselytzing.
The result of this initiation, as we have already stressed,is no human being, but a former human being transformed into something which is not human.Modern liberals and others frown on reports of savage witch-hunts from earlier centuries. Usually, the special British COINTELPRO operation, run in Salem Massachusetts as a covert operation against the independence of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, is commonly referenced. A better comparison is the proliferating of Satanist movements during the fourteenth century; these witches were actually sub-human, Satanist beasts, who represented that sort of mass threat to the population of that period. So, the population, as its only defense against a genuine Satanic force of that sort, hunted them down and sought to wipe them out. Not for nothing, does the Old Testament warn, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." The witches of the old Middle East and fourteenth-century Europe were very real, very evil witches, no longer human, but murderous beasts.
Modern WitchcraftThe modern spread of witchcraft in English-speaking nations, began during the sixteenth century, in the setting of imported cabalist and rosicrucan cults built up around Oxford and Cambridge. Francis Bacon and his secretary Thomas Hobbes were part of this movement. The endemic inculcation in Satanism which this prompted in seventeenth-century England, exploded after the accession of King George I, in the form of the Hell-fire Clubs which proliferated among degenerate English nobility during the long Liberal prime ministry of Hugh Walpole.
During the Stuart Restoration period, the pro-satanic rosicrucean and cabalist cultism around the Stuart court siezed upon the case of Robert Bruce to reorganize the cult in a newform.
Robert Bruce had been the leader of a group of Satan-worshipping (Baphomet) Templars, who had fled to Scotland, away from the angered justice of the Papacy and the King of France. What they brought with them, was the Templars' exploitation of the Cathar (Bogomil) tradition in the region of Toulouse and Albi, to build up the syncretic sort of Satanic worship the Templars had acquired in the Middle East. The Papacy had enough of this, and the King of France acted to shut down Templars by the means customary in those times. A group of Templars under Bruce fled to Scotland, and after some initial difficulties, made themselves the lords of the place.The character of the Stuart court is illustrated by the characterization of one Stuart government of that period as the "Cabal." In his history, Macauley offers an amiable description of the affair. During this century, when the chest of Isaac Newton's laboratory papers was opened and examined, the content of Newton's acutal "scientific work" turned out to be a selection of lurid and rather insane experimetns in "black magic." The circles around Francis Bacon and Hobbes were, as we say today, "a prize collection of real kooks."
So, the Templar mish-mash of Bogomil Gnosticism blended into Hashishin Satanism, caused Bruce's Templar credentials to be viewed as suitable myth-building material for the taste of the Stuart kooks of the period. The Liberal aristocracy of Britain became a principal concentration of this filthy stuff. When the Liberals came to full power, under Walpole, this Liberal stuff came out in such form as the proliferating Hell-Fire Clubs. That tradition was cultivated under the Second Earl of Shelbourne's puppet prime minister, William Pitt the Younger, with Satanic figures such as the powerful Jeremy Bentham in the fore. Satanism gained new ground under the protection of Liberalism and Romanticism during the nineteenth century. In England,the more virulent new forms surfaced around Oxford University'sJohn Ruksin and the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood. Out of this came theosophy, British "guild" socialism, the Fabian Society, Bertrand Russell, H. G. Wells, and Aleister Crowley -- Satanists all.
This spilled over into the United States, notably in the circles of putative "Great Awakening" evangelist Johnathan Edwards, and his protege, Princeton Hell-Fire Club activist Aaron Burr. During the late nineteenth century, the sort of spoon-bending kookery associated with such figures as Oliver Lodge and A. Conan Doyle spilled generously among the wealthy anglophile liberals of the United States.In short, this sort of witchery has been endemic over the centuries. The difference is, that what was endemic has become epidemic.
*Not the original title, but who else would have written this? To Journalism on Satanism page (http://web.archive.org/web/20021020010853/http://www.econcrisis.homestead.com/JournalismOnSatanism.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 07:14 AM
NEWSMAKINGNEWS.COM (http://www.newsmakingnews.com/)Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive
By Diana Napolis, M.A. aka Karen Jones © 2000

The following cases describe legal proceedings held in Juvenile, Family, Civil and Criminal Courts around the world where there have been allegations of Satanism or the use of ritual to abuse others.
Any religion or organization can be used as a front to hide ritual abuse activity, including Christianity, Buddhism, Shamanism, Hinduism, Masonry, Mormonism, Pagan and Satanic religions; however, not all Satanists commit crimes and not all occultism is Satanism. It is imperative that investigators and professionals familiarize themselves with cross-cultural belief systems so as not to target any particular group.
This archive was compiled by Diana Napolis, M.A.. If there are any corrections or updates that need to be made, please contact
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September 2000, Murfreesboro, Tennessee; Alonzo South, 31, pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated sexual battery. He was sentenced to 24 years in prison.

Overview: South admitted that on at least three occasions over the last two years he participated in satanic rituals in which a nude girl under the age of 10 was sexually touched. Court records say the child, who was the daughter of a woman involved in the satanic group, was raped in a home, the nearby woods, a shed, a pickup truck and a car. See, "Man gets 24 years for satanic-ritual rape of 10-year-old girl," The Tennessean, Sept. 30, 2000
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April 2000, Nashville, Tennessee; Motion withdrawn to hold State in contempt of court.

Overview: News articles report that a Federal judge was asked to hold the State in contempt of court in February 2000 for its continued failure to provide court-ordered and doctor-prescribed mental health services to a severely traumatized 17-year-old victim of rape and occult ritual abuse. A State advocacy group, Tennessee Justice Center, filed a class action lawsuit against the state for failure to properly administer the appeals procedure for the health care plan enrollees of TennCare, (Tennessee Behavioral Health). The 17 yr. old victim was just one of the people named in the settlement but she was left without proper care until this motion was filed. In April, the state agreed to properly attend to her care. See, "Tenn. Could be in Contempt if Mental Care for Teen Inadequate", The Commercial Appeal, February 24, 2000; and "Sarah C. to get badly needed care", Knoxville News-Sentinel Co., April 18, 2000
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April 2000 Warsaw, Poland; Tomasz Suszyna and Robert Krakowian pleaded guilty to murder

Overview: A 19-year-old woman and a 17-year-old boy were killed during a ritual Satanic mass in southern Poland, police said after finding the cut up and burned bodies. The two victims were members of a sect that staged the black mass in a disused bunker on the outskirts of the town of Ruda Slaska, but they did not know they were to die. Another teenage cult member who survived was taken to the hospital with multiple knife wounds. See, "Teenage cult members killed in Satanic mass," Agence France Presse, March 4, 1999 and "Polish Satanists jailed for ritual double murder", Agence France Presse, April 1, 2000.
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March 2000, COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO, TENTH APPELLATE DISTRICT, FRANKLIN COUNTY.

Shawn Ellis, Dependent Minor Child, (Franklin County Children Services, Complainant-Appellee, Carla Richardson, Respondent-Appellant). No. 99AP-725, No. 99AP-726; Permanent court commitment of children upheld.

Overview: The mother and father did not comply with the reunification plans for their children and the court stated satanic occult practices were allegedly commonplace: "After being in counseling for over three years, appellant continued to deny what happened to her children and claimed an inability to remember the abuse. There was even testimony that appellant could not recall taking blood and hair from the children as part of satanic rituals."
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October 1999, South Africa; Maeoriko Manyike sentenced to life in prison for ritual murder and mutilation.

Overview: The perpetrator mutilated a 15-yr-old boy and tried to sell his genitals which he had cut off. According to a news report: "Ritual or 'muti' murders are common in South Africa where people are prepared to pay well for portions made of human parts which they believe will bring good health or good fortune." See, "Mozambican jailed for life in S. Africa for ritual murder," Agence France Presse, Oct. 21, 1999
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Sept. 14, 1999, Kitchener, Ontario; Kenneth James McMurray pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual assault.

Overview: News article reports that McMurray held himself out as a leader of a group based on the Wiccan religion. He preyed on abused teenagers and required them to engage in a series of homosexual acts which he called Mandatory Requirements which they would be tested on. He told them that they would become better people spiritually if they participated in these acts. Some members were afraid of McMurray because they thought he had special powers. See, "Guelph man admits sex assaults, guilty plea ends preliminary hearing for head of Erin cult," Kitchener Waterloo Record, Sept. 14, 1999.
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August 1999; STATE OF OHIO, PLAINTIFF-APPELLEE V. KENNETH J. SMITH DEFENDANT-APPELLANT; CASE NO. 17-99-1; Status as sexual predator upheld.

Overview: Man pled guilty several years prior to sexual imposition against a child; he appealed the designation as a sexual predator. Documents state: "The trial court also noted that the pre-sentence investigation report indicated alcohol was used, that defendant had threatened the victim, and that satanic ceremonies had been used."
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August 11 1999, Helsinki, Finland; Jarno Sebastian Elg, Terhi Johanna Tervashonka, Mika Kristian Riska sentenced for ritual murder

Overview: A court sentenced three alleged Satanists, including a 17-year-old girl, to prison terms for killing a man and ingesting some of the body parts. Jarno Sebastian Elg, 24, was given a life sentence for killing a 23-year-old man in November and instigating others to participate in a ritual that included torturing the victim and listening to heavy-metal music. The Hyvinkaa District Court in southern Finland sentenced Terhi Johanna Tervashonka, 17, to two years and six months in prison and Mika Kristian Riska, 21, to two years and eight months in the case. The victim, who was not named, suffered prolonged torture and eventually was strangled to death, the court said. It also said the three people convicted "were strongly influenced by Satanism." The court declared most of the details of the case secret. See, "Alleged Satanists sentenced for murder, cannibalism," Associated Press, August 11, 1999
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August 3, 1999, KIEV; Dmitry Dyomin was sentenced to death for murder; his accomplices, Valentin Chelyshev and Alexei Andreyev sentenced to 13 and 8 yrs. in jail.

Overview: The supreme court sentenced to death a man convicted of killing a 15-year-old girl whose tongue he then boiled and ate. He belonged to a satanic cult and with the help of two accomplices had severed the girl's head with a kitchen knife. Dyomin later lacquered the skull and kept it in his room. Skulls, books on black magic and upside-down crucifixes were found during a search of Dyomin's house. See AAP NEWSFEED, August 4, 1999
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May 1999, FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida; Darrel Wayne Harris, held for attempted 1st degree murder

Overview: Pending Case - A 17-year-old has been charged as an adult and was scheduled to be arraigned on an attempted first-degree murder charge in a stabbing attack that stemmed from a satanic ritual, police said. Harris allegedly stabbed Robert Menendez four to six times in the throat and back with a carving knife after a ritual in which they cut their hands to let their blood mingle and chanted lines from a satanic book together. As they were chanting on April 21, they drew a pentagram in the dirt and Harris told Menendez to look down at the symbol. As Menendez looked down, Harris attacked him with the knife." Somewhere along the line the culprit just started to hack him with the knife," said Fort Lauderdale Detective Arturo Carbo. "The victim told us that the stabbing was not part of the ritual and he firmly believed he was going to die. Harris and Menendez were part of a network of 30 to 40 local young people who are involved in satanic activities," Carbo said. Menendez told police he and Harris, who have known each other for at least 18 months, hung out at local public libraries to use computers to access satanic Web sites and send e-mail to each other. See, "Teen charged as adult in stabbing that took place during satanic ritual," Associated Press, May 28, 1999.
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February 1999, United States District Court For the District of Nebraska; Paul A. Bonacci vs. Lawrence E. King; 4:CV91-3037; $1 million default judgment awarded.

Overview: "Two counts are alleged against the defendant King in the complaint. Count V alleges a conspiracy with public officers to deprive the plaintiff of his civil rights, designed to continue to subject the plaintiff to emotional abuse and to prevent him from informing authorities of criminal conduct. Count VIII charges battery, false imprisonment, infliction of emotional distress, negligence and conspiracy to deprive the plaintiff of civil rights. Between December 1980 and 1988, the complaint alleges, the defendant King continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonments, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to 'scavenge' for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous masochistic orgies with other minor children. The defendant King's default has made those allegations true against him. The issue now is the relief to be granted monetarily. The now uncontradicted evidence is that the plaintiff has suffered much. He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beating of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King. In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as fourteen distinct personalities aside from his primary personality. He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty in holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King."
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April 1998, South Africa; Naledzani Mabuda and his wife Helen Madidida confessed to killing their 23-month-old son.

Overview: The father, a traditional healer and spiritual medium, confessed to ritually killing his son because his ancestors had threatened to destroy him if he did not. Police found the boy's head, legs, hands and genitals buried under various parts of the floor in the couple's house. Later searches revealed the toddler's intestines, liver and other internal organs from a series of ritual "graves" on the nearby mountainside. The couple were refused bail after another local traditional leader banned them from the village. He testified that the couple had committed a crime of the "greatest evil" and that the townspeople were terrified. The case was remanded to trial for May 4 when a series of sangomas were asked to testify about ritual human sacrifices as part of traditional African beliefs. See, "A Sangoma couple in court for sacrificing child to ancestors, Africa News Service, April 15, 1998.

Also, in January 1998 several of South Africa's witch-doctors, or sangomas, claimed that ritual murders and killings related to the medicinal quest for body parts had decreased by more than 90 percent. The news article reports that police estimate that several hundred people, many of them children, are killed in South Africa each year for their body parts. Female genitals, breasts and placentas are used for infertility and good luck, while hands burned to ashes and mixed into a paste are seen as a cure for strokes, and hearts for heart disease. Blood is given to impart vitality and brains for political power and business success. However "true sangomas eschew the use of body parts, treating physical and mental ailments using herbal medicines." See, "Witch-doctors not making a killing any more: South African healers say ritual murders no longer in vogue." The Ottawa Citizen, January 2, 1998
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STATE OF OREGON, Respondent, v. MICHAEL JAMES HAYWARD; Appellant. 327 Ore. 397; 963 P.2d 667; 1998 Ore. LEXIS 593.
Three counts of aggravated murder, one count of intentional murder, two counts of felony murder, two counts of attempted aggravated murder, one count of first-degree assault, one count of first-degree kidnapping, one count of first-degree robbery, and one count of first-degree burglary and death sentence affirmed.

Overview: Four people, three of whom considered themselves to be Satanists and members of a "Death-Metal" band, listened to their Death-Metal music which included lyrics to "The Pick-Axe Murders," An Experiment in Homicide," "Hammer smashed face," Meat Hook Sodomy," "Gutted," and "Living Dissection." They planned their crime and went to a Dari Mart store, killed a female clerk and brutally beat another one. The evidence of "Death-metal" music and Satanism was admitted into court testimony and was upheld because it partially explain the motive for the crime and the motive for the degree of brutality used.
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October 1997, Equatorial Guinea; An unnamed individual was condemned to death after removing the eyes, tongue, ears and genitals of his 10-year-old female victim.

Overview: Malabo radio reported that 17 ritual murders were committed in Equatorial Guinea in August and September of 1997, according to official figures. See, "Ritual murderer of girl, 10, sentenced to death", Agence France Presse, October 3, 1997.

Another news report cites a Spanish journalist and ethnographer, Jose Manuel Novoa, an expert on the country who has conducted investigations in Equatorial Guinea since 1979 and has written two books about cannibalism in the region. Novoa claims that anthropophagy (eating human flesh) is widespread in the country. He stated, "Eating human flesh was a tradition of warriors pertaining to the ethnic group of the Fang, which lives in Equatorial Guinea, Nigeria, Gabon and Cameroon ...as they conquered new territories, Fang warriors ate parts of their victims to absorb desirable qualities such as youth and strength... human organs are eaten by members of secret brotherhoods which practice sorcery in forests at night. New members are initiated in ceremonies which invoke spirits...bodies are obtained through murder and robbing them from cemeteries ...the secret groups are known as 'evu societies', because many Guineans believe the human body to contain an organ known as the 'evu.'"... "The human brain is known to be highly toxic, for which reason the cannibals seek to immunize themselves by ingesting potent vegetal poisons in small doses... nevertheless, the cannibalism is believed to have led to a disease known as the kuru." See, "Cannibalism still common in Equatorial Guinea, Spanish expert claims", Deutsche Presse-Agentur, April 5, 1998.

In April of 1988, President Omar Bongo met with leaders of the Catholic, Protestant and Moslem communities to discuss possible action against imported beliefs and practice. This action was taken after an admission by a witchdoctor, purporting to belong to a sect based in neighboring Equitorial Guinea, that he had eaten six humans, including two of his own children, over the past decade. The witchdoctor was a railway worker and his followers had killed another victim, a teacher who was seeking help to solve family problems. See, "Bongo Denounces Sects in Wake of Gruesome Cannibalism Tale." Reuters (Libreville) April 29, 1988.
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November 1998, Pike County, Ohio; Michael Paul Dillard, 20, was convicted of felony child endangerment for burning a boy during a satanic ritual.

Overview: Dillard used candle wax to burn crosses on the chest, genitals, arms and back of the 14-yr.old. Dillard confessed to torturing the boy, his 13 yr. old brother and a 12 yr. old friend. An accomplice held their legs while Dillard poured wax on them. "It burned," the younger boy testified. "I tried to get loose." One of the men told one of the boys to holler out Satan's name, but he refused to do it, the younger boy testified. See, "Man guilty of burning teens in satanic ritual," Columbus Dispatch, and "A Pike County man faces up to five years in prison for torturing a 14-yr-old boy", Associated Press, August 19, 1998.
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February 1998, SEAN RICHARD SELLERS v. RONALD WARD UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS TENTH CIRCUIT No. 97-6062; 728 P.2d 515; 809 P.2d 676; 889 P. 2d 895; Denial of new trial affirmed.

Overview: In 1985 - 1986, at the age of 16, Sean Sellers killed three people, including his parents. He was tried as an adult and given the death sentence. Evidence of his satanic belief system was admitted by the defense at trial. Sellers appealed in recent years due to new evidence that he suffered from multiple personality disorder or (DID). Extensive medical documentation was submitted to the court indicating that an "alter" committed the offenses. The appeal was denied although the court was clearly disturbed by the ramifications of Sean Seller's mental disorder.

Note: Sean was executed on Feb. 4, 1999 despite appeals by Amnesty International contesting the legal wisdom of executing a man for crimes he committed at age 16 and who suffered from a psychological disorder like MPD/DID.
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April 28, 1998, Lubuk Pakam, Indonesia; Achmad Suradji, 47, sentenced to death for murdering 42 women.

Overview: An Indonesian sorcerer was sentenced to death Monday for murdering 42 women as part of a bizarre attempt to boost his magical powers. The case first came to light in April last year when police, following up a missing person's report, found a body buried in a sugar cane field near Suradji's house. When they went to question the sorcerer, they found women's shoes and handbags. Over the next few weeks, a further 41 bodies were unearthed close to his village. According to the police, Suradji said that he had a dream in 1986 in which the ghost of his father had told him to kill a total of 70 women and then drink their saliva in order to enhance his mystical powers. See, "Sorcerer to die for 42 murders", The Daily Telegraph, April 28, 1998 and "Witch Work; How an Indonesian lured 42 women to their death", Asiaweek, June 13, 1997
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May 1997, J. P. v. CLARENCE CARTER, COMMISSIONER OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES; Record No. 1168-96-4 COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA 24 Va. App. 707; 485 S.E.2d 162; 1997 Va.App. LEXIS 310, Decided. True Finding of child molestation affirmed.

Overview: A 13 yr. old female minor was found to have molested two children in the context of satanic ritual ceremony while she was babysitting them. The kids reported to their parents and investigators that: "...[appellant] had undressed and fondled [one child] on these two different occasions, performed oral sodomy, had [him] touch her breast and sat on top of [him] and quote "hurt his penis." [Appellant] allegedly had [the other child] draw a pentagram and circle and told [him] this is where to love Satan while she fondled his penis. . . [The children's mother] said the boys reported that [appellant] talked of Satan's power and that she would kill them and their parents if they told anyone what happened. This minor's name was submitted to the central registry as a founded sexual abuser.
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July 1997, Eddie Lee Sexton v. State of Florida, No. 86,132

Trial court imposed the death penalty for murder. Remanded back to Court because testimony needlessly inflamed the jury. The criminal trial was continued until August 1998. After the second trial, Eddie Lee Sexton was found guilty and sentenced to death again on Nov. 18, 1998.

Overview: Sexton was convicted and sentenced to death for the participation in the murder of his son-in-law. The court notes Sexton moved to Florida in 1993 with his family and the victim to avoid arrest and prevent authorities in Ohio from removing his children from the home. His infant grandchild, who was the son of the victim and his daughter, died under suspicious circumstances. Sexton objected to the testimony of 5 of his daughters, as cited in the appellate opinion, "that he beat them, conducted 'marriage' ceremonies with his daughters, had regular sex with them and fathered several of their children, encouraged his children to have sex with each other, made his sons compare their penis sizes and ridiculed them, practiced Satanism and engaged in other bizarre conduct, threatened his children if they discussed family matters with others, trained his children how to kill FBI agents, engaged in a standoff with police in Ohio shortly before coming to Florida, fled to Florida to prevent his children from being taken into custody, and directed the killing of his infant grandchild."

The States proposed motive for the killing was that Sexton's son-in-law knew Sexton was the father of his own "grandchildren." The prosecution wanted prior bad acts admitted to show the control this man had over his children. The appeals court thought this testimony needlessly inflamed the jury and so ordered a new trial. During the second trial, a son, Willie Sexton, said his father convinced him he had Satanic powers and sexually abused him. He also stated that he was tied up to his bed at night when he was a child, and the father gave coins to the other children to call home if anyone spoke about the abuse. See, "Court revisits murder case, son's fears", St. Petersburg
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March 1998, STATE OF OHIO, Plaintiff-Appellee -vs.- ESTELLA SEXTON, Defendant-Appellant CASE NOS: 1996CA00306, 1996CA00367 COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO, FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT, STARK COUNTY 1998 Ohio App. LEXIS 1302, Case No. 1995CR00421.

Convictions for Complicity to Rape, Felonious Sexual Penetration, Gross Sexual Imposition, Complicity to Gross Sexual Imposition, and child endangerment. Affirmed.

Overview: This appeal involves the wife of the man described in the above case. In April 1992 M. one of Mrs. Sexton's daughters, alleged that their father was molesting the three oldest daughters. There were 12 children in the family. DHS took six of the children into custody, but three of the children were returned to the mother under an agreement that she would keep the children away from the father. "In December of 1992, Mrs. Sexton fled Ohio with the three children, and reunited with Eddie at a hotel in Kentucky. On January 14, 1994, appellant and Eddie were arrested in Hillsboro County, Florida. The three children were returned to the custody of DHS. While living in Jackson Township, and in a camper in Hillsboro County, Florida, appellant and her husband perpetrated acts of sexual, physical, and mental abuse against all of the children. While living in Jackson Township, K. L. and M. were forced to participate in a wedding ceremony with their father. During the ceremony, Eddie engaged in a French kiss with the girls. Appellant was present, and took pictures of the ceremony."... "In the camper in Florida, appellant and Eddie gave Kim and Chris little red pills and Nyquil to ingest every evening, despite the fact that neither had a cold." The mother and father inflicted "shaving rituals" on the girls. "On one occasion, K. did not ingest the medicine, and saw appellant fondling C's. penis while he was asleep."..."While living in Jackson Township, L. and M. were forced to experience a similar shaving ritual. Lana was taken to the master bedroom for the purpose of punishment. Once inside the room, appellant held L. down, while Eddie shaved her entire body with a razor. While shaving her, Eddie cut her leg, put the blood on her finger, and made her sign a paper, saying that she was selling her soul to the devil."... "C. received beatings from both appellant and Eddie. Eddie would beat C. once or twice a week, while appellant guarded the door. The beatings would often leave bruises. Appellant and Eddie also punished C. by having him stand against the wall for five to six hours, holding a penny against the wall with his nose. During this punishment, C. was not permitted to go to the bathroom. At age twelve, C. was forced to participate in weekend parties involving the family members in which he was given beer to drink."

In a previous appellate opinion describing Mrs. Sexton's case, Ohio vs. Estella Sexton one of the children at that time stated that family members were involved in satanic rituals, invoking spirits, and "baby thingies and things like that."
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November 1997, India; Dharam Vir arrested for the ritual murder of his son.

Overview: A father chopped off his son's head and offered it to the Hindu goddess of destruction, Kali, in a belief that a human sacrifice would earn him divine favors. He ordered his son to lie on the ground and then beheaded him. The police said he murdered his son because he was driven by his own religious beliefs. See, "Man beheads son in Ritual Murder in India", Agence France Presse, November 14, 1997
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July 1997, IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT KNOXVILLE, STATE OF TENNESSEE, Appellee v. CHRISTA GAIL PIKE, Appellant. C.C.A. NO. 03C01-9611-CR-00408 KNOX COUNTY HON. (First Degree Murder-Death Penalty) ON APPEAL FROM THE JUDGMENT OF THE CRIMINAL COURT OF KNOX COUNTY.

Conviction for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit first degree murder affirmed. Death penalty affirmed.

Overview: Pike killed another female she felt rivalry with and carved a pentagram into her chest. The court found that this murder involved torture, and medical experts thought the injuries were inflicted when the victim was still alive. A group of "others" were named who helped her but Pike didn't give information about them. The pentagram she was wearing was admitted as evidence. "A witness stated that as the Defendant described hitting Slemmer in the head with a piece of asphalt and carving a pentagram in her chest, she danced around in a circle, smiling and singing." The psychiatrist involved thought there were satanic elements to the crime but that Pike was just a "dabbler" in Satanism.

A few years later..."A Knox County judge imposed consecutive prison terms Thursday for a young Memphis man who took part in the torture slaying of a Knoxville Job Corps student. Criminal Court Judge Mary Beth Leibowitz said public safety concerns dictate that Tadaryl D. Shipp be imprisoned as long as the law allows. Shipp, 21, had no regard for human life when he helped murder Colleen A. Slemmer, 19, the night of Jan. 12, 1995, the judge said. He treated her with "gross cruelty" while at least partly satisfying an interest in Satanism, Leibowitz said." See, "Orange County woman to die for Tenn. killing," THE_NEWS_&_OBSERVER " and "Judge orders Shipp to serve life in slaying, then another 25-year term " Knoxville News-Sentinel, March 12, 1999
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April 1, 1996 ADOPTION OF QUENTIN & others. SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT OF MASSACHUSETTS; 424 Mass. 882; 678 N.E.2d 1325; 1997 Mass. LEXIS 104 DISPOSITION: Order granting petition to dispense with consent to adoption of three children affirmed.

Overview: Department of Social Services planned to adopt out the parent's children, the parent's appealed and the court briefly describes Social Services case for neglect, sexual molestation and statements of the children. While describing the past history of the father, the court writes: "In 1983, the father joined a religious organization called Orlo Templi Orientis and studied the so-called 'Satanic Bible.' In January, 1984, he was convicted of grave robbing, and sentenced to two months in jail. After release, he returned to his transient life-style, alternating between Los Angeles and San Francisco." "The eldest child, E. was diagnosed as suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder. During an interview with Dr. O'Connell, she stated that "her 'Daddy's a witch;' that 'bad witches took my picture with no clothes on;' that '[Paul, a friend of the father] calls me his girlfriend;' that [Paul] took pictures of her with no clothes on; that [Paul] said not to tell; that she and her mother were tied up together with no clothes on while her father had no clothes on;
and that the witches 'shared weenies' and tried to touch her with their weenies but that she ran away."
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July 1996, In Interest of P.J.M, 926 S.W.2d 223, Missouri Court of Appeals, Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed.

Overview: This self-described satanic family had been in and out of social services for many years. Parental Rights were terminated as to three of the children. There was constant and severe domestic violence; the father continually abused the mother, including using a cattle prod to electrically shock her, shot her with a gun, cut her with a razor blade and violated her with a baseball bat. The mother then claimed she made up the story, although physical evidence was discovered, she had a stab wound in her side and she was bleeding internally. Both parents had been arrested for the rape of a teenager, but the witness wouldn't testify so the charges were dropped. Both parents had tried to commit suicide and were involved in drug usage. The mother admitted to sacrificing animals in front of her children and giving them drugs to forget the ceremonies. The children also stated that this occurred.

December 1996, Damien Wayne Echols and Charles Jason Baldwin v. State of Arkansas, 936 S.W.2d 509, Convictions and sentencing for murder affirmed.

Overview: Echols and Baldwin were jointly tried and convicted for killing three 8 yr. old boys. Their accomplice, Jessie Misskelley, confessed and implicated both Echols and Baldwin in the murders. Misskelley was tried separately. In an appellate opinion dated July 17, 1995 (902 S.W.2d 781) Echols had previously appealed his case but filed a motion specifically waiving all points concerning his death sentence. The appellate court ordered the case back to the lower court to address Echols competency to waive an appeal of the death penalty. Echols finally decided to appeal his death sentence but the sentence was upheld. One jury member received a death threat, another had received a threatening phone call during the trial. In the courts overview of the sufficiency of the evidence arguments, there were detailed descriptions of the three victims bodies, including evidence of forced sex, they'd been beaten and stabbed, and there were injuries to the genital area evidencing forced oral sex. There was evidence of castration regarding child victim, Christopher Byers. "The skin of the penis had been removed, and the scrotal sac and testes were missing."

When asked by police how he thought the boys had been killed, Echols gave them statements not yet publicly known. On the witness stand, Echols testified that he'd read these facts from the newspaper. When the newspapers were shown to him, Echols admitted the information he was referring to was not in them and he didn't get the information in question from the newspaper after all. Two witnesses testified they overheard Echols admit he killed the three boys and that he was going to kill two more. The state thought the killings had been performed in a satanic ritual and an expert witness on the occult gave that opinion also. Echols admitted to being involved in the occult, items in his home included journals that had references to "morbid images, spells, and dead children." His parents had concerns about his involvement in "devil worship". Medical records contained statements by Echols about his belief system: "People are in two classes, sheeps and wolves, and the wolves eat the sheep." He thought he obtained power from drinking the blood of others, especially from his sexual partners. In regards to whether the field of Satanism has scientific validity, the court notes: "Echols next contends that Dr. Griffis should not have been allowed to testify that the murders had the 'trappings of occultism' because there was no testimony that the field of Satanism or occultism is generally accepted in the scientific community. The argument is without merit, as the trial court did not allow the evidence to prove that Satanism or occultism is generally accepted in the scientific community. Rather, the trial court admitted the evidence as proof of the motive for committing the murders." In regards to Jason Baldwin, a witness testified that Baldwin spoke of the murders. "He told me he dismembered the kids, or I don't know exactly how many kids. He just said he dismembered them. He sucked the blood from the penis and scrotum and put the balls in his mouth."
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April 1996, Jessie Lloyd Misskelley, Jr. v. State of Arkansas, 915 S.W.2d 702, Convictions for first and second degree murder affirmed.

Overview: Companion case to the above. Three 8 yr.old boys were brutally murdered, raped, and mutilated in Arkansas by Misskelley and two other accomplices-- Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin. The case against Misskelley was primarily based on his confession and supporting circumstantial evidence. "Misskelley stated he had been involved in a cult for three months, they met in the woods, they engaged in orgies and,as an initiation rite, the killing and eating of dogs. At one cult meeting, he saw a picture that Echols had taken of the three boys. Another witness testified that she had attended a satanic cult meeting with Echols and Misskelley. A doctor offered testimony that the type of cuts in one of the victims genital area required the use of 'skill and precision.'"
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October 1996, Ohio; Nathan Brooks found guilty of the mutilation slaying of his parents and sentenced to two consecutive life terms.

Overview: The 18 yr. old perpetrator decapitated his father and his mother was hacked to death. Brooks told the officers he used the head in a Black mass ritual that he believed would increase his satanic powers. He said he had also planned to kill a younger brother, but the youngster was visiting a friend. See, "Satanic ritual killer sentenced to life," United Press International, October 24, 1996.
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February 1996, Suzanne Hughes v. Department of Social Services Arlington County, Court of Appeals of Virginia, Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed. Record No. 2345-94-4.

Overview: A baby was removed from the custody of the mother after evidence of abuse. The mother was eventually diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder. The child was returned to the mother, but after further incidents of abuse and neglect she was taken into custody again. The mother's counselor testified that the mother stated she was involved with a satanic cult that killed adults and babies, and they had threatened her. She stated she was involved with them since she was 7 yrs. old. She reported members of the cult abducting and raping her. Under cross-examination, the mother was asked about the maternal grandparents failure in reporting her own abuse, and the court was concerned that she was living at the maternal grandfather's home. The trial judge also expressed concern over the continued existence of the satanic cult, appellant's inability to help the police prosecute a member of this cult, appellant's continued residence in the same family home where she had been verbally and physically abused as a small child, and lack of family support that was missing when appellant was an abused child. The appellate court found that the evidence of appellants participation in the cult described was relevant to the proceedings.
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December 1995, Jimmie Lee Penick v. State of Indiana, 659 N.E.2d 484, Conviction for murder and enhanced sentence affirmed

Overview: Four practitioners of Satanism conspired and planned to murder a prospective member of their "Satanic Church." They were concerned that the victim, William Ault, knew about a prior murder. They took him to what he thought was an initiation..."Ault was asked to lay down on a door, which was being used as an altar. Keith Lawrence read an invocation to Satan...Goodwin and the Lawrences also made cuts on Ault's chest and abdomen in the form of an inverted cross, as well as other cuts...Penick's own words describe how the victims chest and abdomen were cut open, how Goodwin tried to cut out victim's heart before he died, and how the victim remained conscious throughout this and responded to questions from the defendant." Aggravators were that Penick dismembered the victims head and hands and Penick admitted he removed the head to give the skull to a friend. Penick's defense was that he acted under the influence of his strong beliefs in Satanism but that he had converted to Christianity while in prison.
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