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stompk
01-20-2008, 04:51 AM
I believe the majority of people in masonry get involved for friendship and belonging to a fraternal organization.

But, I feel that the Mason's are a tool for the takeover by Baphomet.

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?

People like Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley have influenced the "craft" into a tool of the son of Satan, Baphomet.

Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.

And much good can come out of them. But they are masking a much more sinister operation, IMO.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIZGYlT1PEU&rel
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/djr88iv1FmQ&rel
Notice how the big guy comes out to intimidate them. He get's turned around by their sincere and polite questioning.

You see, the Masons are the suckers on the tentacles of the Octopus.

Shadow
01-22-2008, 10:25 AM
Are you refering to Temoh Bap?

Delta
02-04-2008, 11:16 PM
Do you have any proof of your allegations?

stompk
02-10-2008, 05:25 AM
Do you have any proof of your allegations?

Standard issue response.

I don't need proof. I simply plant the seed.

Delta
02-10-2008, 05:57 PM
Your planting has failed then!

stompk
02-13-2008, 06:45 AM
Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.

The keepers of the Great Seal of the United States, the familiar emblem on the back of the $1 bill, want you to know what it is not. It is not a sign that Freemasons run the country, it has nothing to do with the occult, and it does not contain clues to a fabulous hidden treasure.
Source: Great Seal secrets revealed! - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_great_seal_myths_3)

That was awfully nice of them to come out of the closet and explain.

Thing their not watching these conspiracy forums?

Huh Delta, huh Shadow?

Delta
02-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Nice to see you have found interest in a childish game.

Morty
02-13-2008, 08:23 PM
Evil? No, far from it.

The idea of Mason being evil, in with the devil, comes from christianity. To find a silly excuse to close down these freethinkers, they made people belive they were in with the devil.

Most masonic temples have tours, go on one. You wont be able to see everything, but pretty much every room is covered.

No windows? Well, look around. How many temples have windows? How many churches have windows? By that, I mean windows you can look inside without risking braking your neck. Windows are high up etc. etc. There is also the mystical aspect of it, and keeping the rituals a secret etc. etc. Most rituals are today well known, so there is really no secrets.

The masonic orders have no religion, even if the have both the bible and the koran. Most places have a prayer room, were these book lay repectfully, and were those who feel like prayer can do so. Except from that, I know that some use the bible to swear to uphold the brotherhood.

I would argue that freemasonic teaching is religion, maybe one of the better, but with a strong focus on characterbuilding. You learn to respect all sorts of people, you feel welcomed in a group and you learn respect of symbolic rituals. The rituals themselfs are there to read as you want, they dont have one simple meaning and no preacher fill your head with dogmas. And there is the difference of masons and other religions, no dogmas.

The pentagram? Well, what is the pentagram but a christian invention. Lucifer is older then christianity, meaning light bearer or son of dawn. In Roman astrology its Venus, the morning star, shining brightest before the sun rises. What is the sun? It is God, and they just had to trow Lucifer out of the sky to make room for "thau shalt not have more then bla bla bla".

If there is something smelly and shadowy about it, its christianity with its history. Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps. At worst its a boysclub, that sometimes can be used for the wrong things, like using your "brother" for private interests and such. It used to be big amongst the powers that be, politicans and such, but have lost its spunk over the years. But dont come and tell me that priests, good christians, muslims, hindu or what ever never spun webs for their own good?

stompk
02-14-2008, 04:19 AM
Hitler was a Mason for a period. Why would he chase them down, to kill them. Maybe to keep his secrets quiet. Typical Masonic move. Not above killing, to keep their secrets.

Take Delta for example. This is a conspiracy forum.

Read Deltas posts.
http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4886

They are against every conspiracy.

Maybe you Masons should find a forum that is more approving of your secret satonic practices.

You will not find any love of Mason from me.

Infact, I am THE masons enemy.

I work for Jesus.

stompk
02-14-2008, 04:20 AM
And don't call me a Christian, cause I don't like most of them either.

Morty
02-14-2008, 07:04 AM
When it comes to Hitler, your thinking about the Thule Society "Study Group for Germanic Antiquity". But he never was a member, he got money from them to do spread his politics. Some of the fairytales of the clean race up north, might have come out of this gang. Thule being the islands/land up north, like england, iceland and scandinavia.

Hitler was never a mason, and he didnt kill masons to keep a secret. You base this on what? In his book Mein Kampf you can read:"Freemasonry, which has succumbed to him -the jew- completely, he has an excellent instrument with which to fight for his aims and put them across. The governing circles and the higher strata of the political and economic bourgeoisie are brought into his nets by the strings of Freemasonry, and never need to suspect what is happening." He killed them caus they were part of the jewish conspiracy.

The sad thing is how you and Hitler share views, I bet you never thought about it. I know you dont wanna kill jews, but this is in fact a long old christian view that has become indoctrinated into us humans. The jews killed Jesus, this started as early as when the first christian Roman emperor Constantine (285-337 CE) about it. Hitler was a christian, he got his anti-jewish ideas from christian society. Martin Luther, the father of protestantism, was a crazy old fart who belived he saw the devil and witches do magic. By the way, when he wanted to chase the devil away. He put his ass up in the air and farted! Anyway, Luther had a tenpoint plan to get rid of the jewish problem.

I am not a mason, nor will I never be. I am, like you, interested in it. To take the conclusion that I am a mason, just because I dont fear them and bite into a christian paranoia, is far from being a mason. There is no logic to your conclusion, non at all.

I have some questions to you, if you are not a christian, were have you learned about Jesus?

Second, from were have you learned that masons are evil? A church? A webpage? A person?

Third, have you ever been inside a masonic hall/temple?

I hope you answer with truth, being a beliver in Jesus and all.

stompk
02-14-2008, 07:25 AM
I've been an electrical contractor for many years. I have been in just about every kind of building, including a Masonic hall, and some of their locked back rooms.

But the truth is, I base a lot of my theory on reaction.

And a personal library collection of over 600 valuable books. Almost every conspiracy theory throughout recent history has some sort of Masonic tie-in, including the banking scandals at the Vatican.

As your hostile reaction insinuates, Masons are more concerned with trying to cover up, than accepting that secrecy inherently brings mistrust.

So sorry if your offended. Maybe you shouldn't read my writing, as I am very critical of secret organizations of all kinds.

stompk
02-14-2008, 07:27 AM
And as for how do I know Jesus?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

Morty
02-14-2008, 10:33 AM
My reaction is not more hostile then yours, so were does that leave us?

You should base your theory on facts, and one fact is that you dont know me. Another fact is that we have freedom of speech, at least in my country, meaning I dont have to agree on you. The conspiracy theory line is that if someone dont agre with you, they must be part of the conspiracy. There is no logic in that.

Most huge madmen in our history, Hitler, Stalin etc. have belived in the same you do. We see how they loved freedom, dont we? So might it not be that your barking up the wrong tree?

When it comes to you and Jesus, from what you have written, I can take a wild guess. Your related to him?

stompk
02-14-2008, 11:17 AM
Morty, since we all stem from Noah, we are ALL related to Jesus.

Morty
02-14-2008, 12:25 PM
Christian biblical stories, okay? I thought I shouldnt call you christian? But I wonder, isnt Adam & Eve the first human beings? And how was that again, Noah lived 1000 years?

But this brings us into something interesting, caus you`ll find Noah in gnostic, jewish, islamic and christian stories. They are all a bit different, so what is the right one? The you have the Gilqamesh flood, astra-hasis and the earliest mentions of the flood from the sumerian age. What about them? Noah a rewrite of old stories?

Then you have the fact that Jesus is given life in Maria by the holy ghost, God, so that really sucks if your related to Joseph. Right?

There is also the fact that they must have been having sex with eachother, brother and sister, and were in the good book is that okay?

Well, if we use your "facts", that would mean that freemasons, illuminati and all other evil is also related to Jesus. And that puts us?

Who was that swedish viking by the way?

stompk
02-14-2008, 01:53 PM
When did the christians become the owner of the stories of the bible. The Bible was around long before the christian.

Viking? Rollo Ragnvaldsson. My last name is Svensson. But I've already told you that you wouldn't believe me anyway, so how about we get back to the op, which is about the Masons.

My Grampa was a mason. He actually laid bricks. He was an honorable man.

Morty
02-15-2008, 11:35 AM
As far as I see, Rollo Ragnvaldsson was norwegian, but had his base on Iceland. He died in 932, and was probably not christian. Well, not before he became the 1st Duke of Normandy. But it does still not make sense, since its 500 years before the first Jesuites. Well, and the fact that you said he was swedish.

I you are related to him, then you would be related to Elizabeth II. Isnt she the Grand Patroness of the Freemasons? Isnt she a bloodsucking lizard, and pure illuminati bloodline too?

Yes, the freemasons. I still havent gotten any hardcore proof yet, just some hints that they are evil as evil can be. I reccon that your grandfather laid bricks, not in himself, but to lay fundamants of buildings and such. My father did that to, but that has nada to do with the subject.

stompk
02-15-2008, 01:20 PM
Yes, the queen is the Head of The Knights of Malta.

The most powerful secret society in existense.

Bush sr. recently became a member.

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If all religion are tolerated in Masonry, as they claim,

then they also tolerate Satanic worship, according to their

own guidelines, and therefore there could be a sinister element

in Masonry.

Morty
02-16-2008, 12:11 PM
First of all, thanks for the video, but it wasnt very good. It failed to look into the symbols, many of who are really simple to understand.

The hexagram, or the star of David, seal of Solomon or what ever you wanna call it. The seal of Solomon comes from the tale of Solomon, who had gotten a ring from the heavens with the name of God engraved in it. With this ring he could controll the demons, good and evil. It is also to be found in Arabian Night, among other the tales of Sinbad the Sailor. I guess you can also see it a yin and yan, up and down, heaven and earth or the fire and water. You also find the symbol in eastern religions, Hinduism and Buddhism.

In Encyclopedia of Freemasonry it says: "The interlacing triangles or deltas symbolize the union of the two principles or forces, the active and passive, male and female, pervading the universe... The two triangles, one white and the other black, interlacing, typify the mingling of apparent opposites in nature, darkness and light, error and truth, ignorance and wisdom, evil and good, throughout human life."

The pentagram, that many christians see as an evil sign, was also used by christians. It was a symbol of the wounds of Jesus. Its origin is probably just a symbol of a star. You will find mention of the pentagram in the Old Testament, keyword: Moses.

In Norway the pentagram was used to scare evil creatures/demons away, carved over the door of your larder.

If you turn the pentagram, upside down, you have the satanic form. This is pretty modern, compared to how old the symbol is. The Sigil of Baphomet is first found in the book “La Clef de la Magie Noire” from 1897, the one we know is from the Church of Satan, the LaVey satanism. He wrote the Satanic Bible in 1969, and by then freemasonry had been around for a very very very long time.

If you enter a masonic lodge you will find a prayer room, there you will find the books from the to most common religions, the christian and muslim. Ask the next time your in one, they will probably be happy to show you around.

But to belive LaVey? Isnt that kinda odd? Remember that Satan/Lucifer is a christian creation, and is simply just a personification of the morning star, Lucifer. The star that shine brighest before the sun comes up, early on seen as something good. The bringer of light, and light here is God. That why still today you have many christians symbols showing sunrays out of the sky, from there we come to another simple symbol, the eye of Providence.

The eye of Providence, also known as the all-seeing eye, is an old symbol of God. The form often used by masons, also found on the dollar bill, is from around 1700 -1800, but the eye as an symbol is much older, like the eye of Horus. In Buddhism its called the eye of the world.

It is also a old christian symbol for God, the all-seeing God. The triangle is the symbol of trinity.

Its a powerfull symbol, and old, thats all. There is nothing scary about it, if you dont wanna make it that way.

Why the word Providence? Well, its just another word for God. It means to see the future, or see ahead. Further you can look at the word provide, or the provider. It is read in different ways in different religions, or different directons of christianity. Providence is important in American history, like the manifest destiny.

When it comes to religion in masonry, what you say is not true. Most are open to all religions, but in Scandinavia the tradition is to only let christians be let in. This is different from masonry to masonry.

stompk
02-17-2008, 04:52 AM
symbolism, idolism, they seem to all be the same to me.

Money, is a form of symbolism.

And that is the base of the whole organization.

This thread is intended to wake up the masons.

As a mason, do you feel your doing the right thing?

Morty
02-17-2008, 09:07 AM
I cant answer that, caus I am not a mason. Feel free to think I am, but it doesnt make it any more true. Yes, your dead wrong.

I am wondering, why do you belive that? Just caus I give you an answer? Just caus I dont think masons are evil satanist who slaughter children to the devil to summon demons?

First of all, I am not christian. So I havent been raised to be hatefull of masons, or any other group that many christians think do magic and satans work. Meaning, I am not pre-programmed. I am a free spirit, I read, experience and learn.

You say your not christian, but still you follow a christian tradition. I wonder, do you belive there are witches too? Do you belive in demons? You belive in the devil? I dont, thats why I can have such rational look at these things. I belive that humans can be bad and egosentric, but it has nothing to do with evil spirits.

Money can work as a symbol, yes. It can give you power, it can make you appear sexy. It can open doors, it gives you respect. But the fact that money has become a symbol, is non other then humans own fault. If your gonna blame it on the masons, then its time to raise your book collection to 601. Buy "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", John Perkins give you a glimps into a real world of money. Do you think the overtrow of Guatemalan president Arbenz, was the work of evil freemasons? If you do so, you better wake up and smell the coffee. Then you got 600 books of shit in your shelfs, caus all of them have made your eyes wide shut.

I am wondering were you learned to wake up masons? If you paid to learn it, you should get your money back. If you want to talk to masons, go to the masonic lodge. If you dont dare to go there, call them. If you dont dare that either, send them a mail. Ask someone who is a mason, and stop making fairytales for yourself.

I took the liberty of typing grand masonic logde into google, I found the english one and they have an emailadress. Try them, they might answer you.

Email them at

ugle@ugle.org.uk

And please, spare me the "this is meant to wake up masons"-bs. Your not a kid, are you? Grow up.

stompk
02-18-2008, 06:44 AM
I don't know. What about this site?
Stop Child Rape (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/)

Then I found this DOE (Dept. of Education) memo: DOE Weekly Field Memo – January 9, 2008 Topics Covered in this Memo: From the Department: • (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:nuDQw0yeNlQJ:education.vermont.gov/new/pdfdoc/dept/field_memo/memo_01_09_08/Field%2520Memo01_09_08.pdf+%22masonic+%22child+abu se%22+inurl:.gov&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us)


The Mason’s C.A.R.E. Training: K-12 Masonic Model Student Assistance Program
Audience: Superintendents, Administrators, Tobacco Coordinators, Safe & Drug-Free Schools
Coordinators, School Resource Officers, School Nurses, Student Assistance Professionals
This three-day workshop will help build educators’ skills in identifying at-risk students and providing appropriate guidance.

This training is an opportunity for schools to create an informed team of three to six
members (must include one administrator) to,<b> identify, intervene with, and create appropriate referrals for students</b> who may be at risk for substance abuse, depression, suicide or violence and <b>other unhealthy behaviors</b>

(bold added)

Now what business do the Masons have being involved in this?

They don't have to answer to the general public, so this is a definite conflict of interest.

What is their agenda? Modus Operandi they call it.
Could it be: American Chronicle | Is Ritual Child Abuse Just a Hoax? (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/52590)

Get their evil grubby paws out of my kids education. Thank you!

Morty
02-18-2008, 08:11 AM
I am sad child molesting happens, but its good that now it cant be covered up. Its still a sensitive issue, and for some it seem easier to just let go by then to handle. We had a big case in Norway, that made many innocent people guilty. The state went crazy, and sort of lead kids into saying that they to had been molested.

Some kids had been molested, and one man was the molester. He wasnt a mason, just a childcaretaker at a kindergarten. After that we got a law, so that people who is gonna work with kids, have to show their policerecords. This works good.

Anyway, you find childmolesters everywere. My girlfriend is an ex-christian, from a Baptist church, and she told me about one of their ministers. Everybody knew he had molested some children, even one of her friends, but they just looked the other way. Why? Caus its a shame, they feel shame to. Dont bring shame on the church, so they just look past it.

I am not saying that there are not masons who are child molestors, but masonry do not pratice child molesting as a part of a ritual. Go to hospitals, see what masons have given of money and help to many kids. If you use the argument your using, then I could say that baptist churches also are part of a child rape ring.

I agree on stopping child rape, but your not logical.

Morty
02-18-2008, 07:40 PM
Stompk, I have read up on this case of McMartin Pre-School abuse case. You have to be a christian to belive this, I even read that the kids have seen witches fly? They were flushed down toilets, went thru pipes and ended up in a secret satanic underground place were they were molested? I also read that the tunnels were old pre-world war tunnels, filled up with all sorts of crap. Even kids now grown up tell that they were told, that they were doing the right thing in telling this. That they were good kids, and by so lead in many ways to keep on telling tales. This is very similar to the case we had in Norway, were investigators and parents set their minds into making kids tell lies. I read from a case study that after this, the way of interviewing kids who might be molested have changed. The fact that they used nine years on the trail, and no one was convicted, says everything about it. It amazes me that you fall for this crap?

All this ever created was masshyteria, and religion is amazing at creating it over and over again.

Let me tell you a story, it has nothing to do with child molesting, but religion and masshysteria. My girlfriends father was part of a baptist church in Texas, and before 2000 there were all kinds of scary stories of how everything would shut down, caus the computers wouldnt handle it. The minister in his church made them belive that this was the sign of the devil, the start of doomsday. So he quit his job, and bought bags and bags of corn and a windmill. So that when everything broke down, he could take care of his familiy. Sweet, but he was still led to belive by people who use their power to creat this masshysteria. It never happend, so they still have those damned bags of corn. Worst of all, he lost a good job and his pride. Now, were is the conspiracy about these kinda hoaxes? Thats your mindcontroll, my friend.

stompk
02-19-2008, 04:33 AM
The 135-year-old fraternal organization that runs the Shriners Hospitals for Children is fraught with questionable accounting practices that fail to support the group’s primary mission, reports The New York Times.

An investigation by the newspaper of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine found that only 2 percent of the operating expenses at the 22 hospitals run by the fraternal group came from money raised by Shrine temples and dues paid by the group’s 411,000 members. Most costs are paid for by the hospitals’ $9-billion endowment.

In 2005 the Shriners raised more than $32-million through bingo games, circuses, and other events, but more than 57 percent of this money went to support fraternity costs, including expenses for alcohol and trips to group meetings, the paper says.


Source: Shriners Accused of Widespread Financial Misdeeds - Philanthropy.com (http://philanthropy.com/news/index.php?id=2079)

Yes, they are a wonderful group, aren't they.

Can't you see it's about money. When money intervenes, corruption always follows.

But keep defending em Morty.

Morty
02-19-2008, 11:51 AM
Yes, of course it happens. But does that mean that every shriner is a crook? Money, like I have said before, makes some people go crazy with greed. But this doesnt show that shrines all in all are bad, or that there is something secret here. The fact that this is uncovered, and by Internal Revenue Service, should blow big holes in some big illuminati conspiracy? But I guess you dont wanna see that?

I am not defending, not at all. Just using common sense.

stompk
02-19-2008, 02:51 PM
Your certainly entitled to your opinion Morty. However, this is a conspiracy forum, and this thread is posted in the Freemasonry section, which is about conspiracies connected to the Freemasons, so I don't see you point.

Morty
02-19-2008, 04:58 PM
You dont see my point? Wow, I am amazed!

So what I should do, following your logic, is to either shut up or agree? Well, to bad freedom of speech was invented. If you cant stand people seeing thru your weak arguments, or lack of them, then you should stop discussions on forums like this.

Yes, this is a conspiracy forum. I love conspiracies, it doesnt make me agree that you have a point here. Caus you dont, and I am pointing that out. I stopped focus on masons, caus they are not part of a big conspiracy against humanity. The fact that they keep rituals secret, is pretty logical. The fun fact here is, that you buy into their own myth. You more then I, buy into what some of them think of themselfs as masons. This grand idea of being part of something special, since its secret and all.

stompk
02-20-2008, 03:02 PM
You dont see my point? Wow, I am amazed!

So what I should do, following your logic, is to either shut up or agree? Well, to bad freedom of speech was invented. If you cant stand people seeing thru your weak arguments, or lack of them, then you should stop discussions on forums like this.

Yes, this is a conspiracy forum. I love conspiracies, it doesnt make me agree that you have a point here. Caus you dont, and I am pointing that out. I stopped focus on masons, caus they are not part of a big conspiracy against humanity. The fact that they keep rituals secret, is pretty logical. The fun fact here is, that you buy into their own myth. You more then I, buy into what some of them think of themselfs as masons. This grand idea of being part of something special, since its secret and all.

Have you ever heard of ATU XX?
Check out: The Cry of the 26th Aethyr (http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr26.htm)

Or the formula of Tetragrammaton?
Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > the meaning of the TETRAGRAMMATON (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t74014.html)

Or how about VITRIOL?
Visita Iinterioria Terrrae Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem

Sulpher, Mercury and Salt.

The healer is here.

Morty
02-21-2008, 08:28 AM
I think your missing some point here, first of all you have to belive in it for something to work. Let me make you a simple example...

If you belive that you can be hypnotized, then your open to it. Meaning, you will most likely be hypnotized if your subjected to it. If your dead sure that it wont work, your deeply sceptical, then it will not work.

So if you belive in these secret texts, then they will give you something. Its like reading the Bible, and if you belive in God, it gives you a deeper spiritual meaning. When I read the Bible, I see a fairytale and a medium for masscontroll.

Watch a documentary called "The Human Behavior Experiment", its easy and simple told, but gives you an insight in human behavior.

Lets say I used those secret text in a group, a group that was open to those ideas, I could use them to controll them. I could probably use them to open "secret doors within", and make them feel divine or what ever. It doesnt mean that the text does it, far from it.

YouTube - Derren Brown "instant conversion" (explained) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHz4BA8zJZ8)

But I cant see what those text has anything to do with masons, or says anything about masons being evil. I wonder what happend to the 600 books you have, or was that a try to manipulate me to belive your smarter then me? Or that you have some deeper insight? Think about it...

stompk
02-22-2008, 03:41 AM
I tied it all together for you in the Waldorf Education thread.
http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/f20/waldorf-education-salt-mercury-sulphur-6002.html#post47451

That thread stems from two books I have, "The Book Of Thoth" and The Child's Changing Consciousness.

Now there are hints of the Genesis Strategy, Collapse, The Path of The Masters, and even some Her Bak. And many others.

I used to deal used books online. Still do a bit. I've sold over 10,000 books in the last 7-8 yrs, and skimmed them all. Kept the ones that interest me, or have future value.

But by far, the best research tool is the internet. Millions of books out there.

TheLucifer
02-27-2008, 12:54 PM
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There is a Pendulum that is in swing, to its left.
Union Station is the Right hand note the little left hand (left is lame).

Ancient Rome was the Satan of that time, Rome fell at the end of the 5th century hence the "deadly wound".
The Pilgrims came to this land in the 17th century (1620) to set up the "New Jerusalem" (the one that comes down out of heaven, meaning planned) America, the Revived Roman Empire (revived = wound healed).
Satan was "bound" a thousand years (6th - 16th centuries) and was loosed for a short season as of 1776 and the world has wondered after the beast, the greatest nation on gods green earth.

The Flag is the "image " of the beast.

This beast is Satan the Antichrist.
In the temptation story Satan is on a "hill", that hill in reality is Capital Hill (where the head of the beast is), capitalize by bowing to the beast Satan.

The "False Prophet", a man known only as The Professor did work with George Washington, Ben and others in 1775 setting up the flag/image of the first beast America.
The "great day of the lord " soon followed on May 19, 1780.
I quote from a book Prince Of Darkness p. 331 by Grant R. Jefferey. Grant used this story in his book to proudly boast of a brave and wise christian amongst fearful dummies all the while missing the extreme importance of the story (because truth is not with him), now THATS like a thief in the night.

On May 19, 1780 the sky across the United States was illuminated with meteor showers unlike those ever seen before. By 10:00 A.M. the next morning the sky became black as night and the moon turned blood red. In the State Legislature of Massachusetts panic set in among the distressed representatives. Some fearful members called for a motion to adjorn the hearings in the light of the possible return of the Lord. However, one of the wiser Christians legislators replied, "Gentlemen, bring candles. If it is not the Day of Judgement we should continue our deliberations. However, if it is the Day of Judgement we should be found at our post. Gentlmen...To buisness!"

The "mark" of the beast is
1. the Great Seal (the Eye in the capstone) hence SEALED.
2. the bar code 6-6-6

The eye is deity and the capstone represents this deity being the Chief Cornerstone.

A woman rides (rides = guides) the beast, a likeness of her stands in New York, she is Lady Liberty/Ishtar.
7 spikes on her crown =
7 continents
7th and final beast empire
spiritual completeness, this is where it all comes down.

She is the greatest idol in the history of the world.

The "synagogue of satan" is DC.
A group of people that call themselves Jews but are not.

The "mark" in the right hand =
1. fight for
2. work for

The "mark" in the forehead =
1. think for (minions)
2. think with (patriots), proud to be American.
Pride does go before the fall.

Satan is set up in the holy place, in otherwords, as the Chief Cornerstone.

Darkness was/is upon the face of the deep !!!
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Leonardo
02-28-2008, 03:07 PM
<TABLE class=tborder id=post275775 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_275775 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #7ab784 1px solid">As many know Masonic symbols are layed out in the design of Washington DC i.e. the upside down 5 pointed star that points to the White House, the Compus with horns on it and the Square as arms of the beast but no one ever shows the UPSIDE DOWN CROSS (as you face East) with beast (Satan) atop the cross with a 6 pointed star on its head so I took a map and highlighted these things and more.

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There is a Pendulum that is in swing, to its left.
Union Station is the Right hand note the little left hand (left is lame).

Ancient Rome was the Satan of that time, Rome fell at the end of the 5th century hence the "deadly wound".
The Pilgrims came to this land in the 17th century (1620) to set up the "New Jerusalem" (the one that comes down out of heaven, meaning planned) America, the Revived Roman Empire (revived = wound healed).
Satan was "bound" a thousand years (6th - 16th centuries) and was loosed for a short season as of 1776 and the world has wondered after the beast, the greatest nation on gods green earth.

The Flag is the "image " of the beast.

This beast is Satan the Antichrist.
In the temptation story Satan is on a "hill", that hill in reality is Capital Hill (where the head of the beast is), capitalize by bowing to the beast Satan.

The "False Prophet", a man known only as The Professor did work with George Washington, Ben and others in 1775 setting up the flag/image of the first beast America.
The "great day of the lord " soon followed on May 19, 1780.
I quote from a book Prince Of Darkness p. 331 by Grant R. Jefferey. Grant used this story in his book to proudly boast of a brave and wise christian amongst fearful dummies all the while missing the extreme importance of the story (because truth is not with him), now THATS like a thief in the night.

On May 19, 1780 the sky across the United States was illuminated with meteor showers unlike those ever seen before. By 10:00 A.M. the next morning the sky became black as night and the moon turned blood red. In the State Legislature of Massachusetts panic set in among the distressed representatives. Some fearful members called for a motion to adjorn the hearings in the light of the possible return of the Lord. However, one of the wiser Christians legislators replied, "Gentlemen, bring candles. If it is not the Day of Judgement we should continue our deliberations. However, if it is the Day of Judgement we should be found at our post. Gentlmen...To buisness!"

The "mark" of the beast is
1. the Great Seal (the Eye in the capstone) hence SEALED.
2. the bar code 6-6-6

The eye is deity and the capstone represents this deity being the Chief Cornerstone.

A woman rides (rides = guides) the beast, a likeness of her stands in New York, she is Lady Liberty/Ishtar.
7 spikes on her crown =
7 continents
7th and final beast empire
spiritual completeness, this is where it all comes down.

She is the greatest idol in the history of the world.

The "synagogue of satan" is DC.
A group of people that call themselves Jews but are not.

The "mark" in the right hand =
1. fight for
2. work for

The "mark" in the forehead =
1. think for (minions)
2. think with (patriots), proud to be American.
Pride does go before the fall.

Satan is set up in the holy place, in otherwords, as the Chief Cornerstone.

Darkness was/is upon the face of the deep !!!
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TheLucifer is a stupid and ridiculous handle. Contemptable, really.

TheLucifer
02-28-2008, 08:31 PM
Well im hoping youre not christian because the Jesus caracter in the Bible claimed to be "the bright and morning star" hence the lucifer, which means the bringer of light/truth, in other words a truthful person, someone who wont lie.
Thats really bad right ?

Leonardo
02-29-2008, 01:01 PM
Well im hoping youre not christian because the Jesus caracter in the Bible claimed to be "the bright and morning star" hence the lucifer, which means the bringer of light/truth, in other words a truthful person, someone who wont lie.
Thats really bad right ?

Yes, it is really bad. You're going to have to do better than that, but you can't because you're a little pathetic illumi-satanic-luci-poser.

You may leave the hall now, TheLoserfer.

TheLucifer
02-29-2008, 01:42 PM
Perhaps you might explain your angry and hate filled reply !
loserfer, thats pretty funny.
Are you a Mason or christian ??
I do marvel at such uncivil discourse.

What about the upside down cross and horns etc ??

The upside down cross (as you face East) being made using the four most important buildings (Capital bldg, White House, Lincoln memorial and Jefferson memorial) in America in which I learned about (the cross) through a book Washington D.C. by Irene Smith (a 1964 copy) that I found at a thrift shop about 10 years ago.
This book is not anti masonic or D.C. and I have childrens books that quite clearly show the cross as well.

People always point out the upside down 5 pointed star that points to the White House which is serious but I think the cross is even more serious and this stuff is all done via the tax payers.

Leonardo
03-01-2008, 11:50 AM
Hear, hear, now!

To rebut these allegations of 'angry' and 'hate filled', nothing could be further from the truth.

I am joyful and filled with feelings of love and good will.

Whence arise these feelings? I rejoice that Baphomet is being sacrificed for the greater good. And I was ecstatic when I found that Baphomet is also being burned at the stake.

Are these things not joy?

Can one truly claim not to feel feelings of satisfaction at driving an atheme through the bleeding Eye of Horus?

TheLucifer
03-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Bleeding eye ! Thats interesting, I had one of those once, my left one.

The handle huh, nothing more ?

I respect plain open talk, for everyone, thats where power and honor is.

Are the Masons evil ?
No, nomore than anyone else, we're all in the same boat. There are doers and those who dont care.
All people are good and bad, evil is a part of bad.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.

The story of the confusion is devide and conquer.

stompk
03-02-2008, 04:42 AM
Yes, Order out of Chaos, right?

Shin Tau.

muslim4life
03-03-2008, 01:38 AM
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TheLucifer
03-03-2008, 10:31 AM
devide = chaos

and

conquer = order


Ordo ab Chao

Order out of Chaos

The world has been devided and thus, is being conquered.


I saw 5 or more years ago on tv via a news report (probably CNN) a capstone is planned to be put on the great pyramid in Egypt (thats on the back of the dollar bill), a 66 hundred (or thousand) ton rock, route 66, I submitt thats not man being enlightened but the world being conquered.



A better question is, Is freemasonry (not the masons themselves, all people are good and bad) evil ?

Leonardo
03-05-2008, 05:05 PM
Bleeding eye ! Thats interesting, I had one of those once, my left one.

The handle huh, nothing more ?

I respect plain open talk, for everyone, thats where power and honor is.

Are the Masons evil ?
No, nomore than anyone else, we're all in the same boat. There are doers and those who dont care.
All people are good and bad, evil is a part of bad.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.

The story of the confusion is devide and conquer.

The real question is do you know how to spell divide?

No, nomore than any other word, you're all the illiterati from grammer to metaphysics. They are losers and they don't care.

All Masons are evil, and bad and good together are part of all these evil people.

Seven of Nine, more than half of not another dozen.

Leonardo
03-05-2008, 07:26 PM
It is difficult to overestimate the damage caused by the Masons since the enlightenment age. They have literally raped the earth, humanity and all of creation. I say Masons, because I include those so-called Christians and Muslims that have, albeit unwittingly, alied themselves with Ordo Illuminati.

Again, it is absolutely indescribable how evil this world is at this very hour by means of the activities of the Freemasons. They are a plague on the world.

Within the documents and propaganda under the supervision of high grade Masons, such as Protocols, Silent Weapons, etc...etc...etc..., one is able to discern a perfectly Antichrist/Luciferian system of philosophy and praxis. Masonry is the antithesis of Life. Illuministic Masonry is the complete negation of creation. It is Nihilism in the absolute sense, not simply some ideal of sexual liberation or what not, but the complete rejection of Creation Order as it is in Truth.

Masons indeed are aware of some of the Mysteries of Christianity. They make use of them by first supressing the Truth in the world and then inverting and wresting the truth in a Lie. They do this at every level of knowledge and have thus raced ahead of the Truth in the parabolic scale of time.

The fact of the matter is that Masons really have no power at all. Their whole game is simply one giganitic magic trick. Their dogmas are delusions, their aureole is emptiness, and their power is propaganda. They are the same type of bullies who gang up on the class nerds in school yards at recess. They have murdered, bewitched, usurped, robbed, and deceived the entire world.

Their job was not actually that difficult. As deceived as the world already is and has been, what does it demonstrate for the Illuminati to keep deceiving it. Especially if it make use of underhanded methods to do so. A Mason, Satanist, Luciferian, Illuminus are all the same animal under differing brand names. Whatever they may be, human is not on that list.

They whole herd of them amount to exactly Nothing. They are Nothing, they do Nothing, they inherit Nothing. Their Wisdom is Delusion. Their Life is Death, their fulfillment is Desolation, their Foundation is Sand, their abode is the Abyss, and their destination is Destruction. They are absolutely, totally, completely worthless forms of existential unbeing. They are a black hole in space sucking the life out of both themselves and everything around them.

And it is truly amazing to me, because all humanity would have to do to recreate the Garden of Eden is turn their doctrine erect and upright, and there would be the Light of Life and Truth.

Why any human would want to life in the bondage and tyranny of souls that is Luciferianism is beyond my comprehension. All I can say about them is that they are totally bereft, deprayed fools with souls and spirits of utter darkness.

Now the Luciferian has said in his heart that he shall know good and evil and be like God. He has said that he shall ascend like the most high and dwell in the Temple to the sides of the North. Thus and so, he builds himself a mirror and a mirage of the Truth which is a Lie and then sales his wares to the world as wisdom like the whore he is.

Amazing, these Luciferians. If they wanted to be like God then they should do and perform Good, Excellence, Urightness, Rectification. For this is the likeness of God. FOOLISH BLIND LUCIFERIAN! If you wanted to ascend like the Most High and dwell in the Celestial regions of the great Crimson Fortress in the North, then read and practice the Good Doctrine found in the Reveleation of Jesus CHRIST!

This nonsense astounds me. There is absolutely no reason why the world should be as it is today. The Spirit of Liberation has been proved and shown to come from Jesus Christ and God the Father. They are that spirit of goodwill, liberty, and life to the world and man. And why should they not be? FOR MAN WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! If man has asperation for life, freedom, ecstasy, and expansion, would it not stand to reason that his own maker planned to reveal these things to him in time and growth!?

What deceived fools are these Illuminati. All this pomp and circumstance, all this sorcery, pharmakia, pornia, death and destruction....all because of a bunch of fools who thought they had the corner on the Wisdom market.

What a bunch!

TheLucifer
03-05-2008, 09:38 PM
About nine years ago I went to the minnesota state fair and went to the masonic booth and layed my map down on their table and confronted the three wise men (all three 32nd degree), they were not happy to have to deal with me. The one that was in charge of the three said to me "freemasonry has nothing to do with Washington dc", now thats some bold faced lying. This same guy was telling me a story and while telling the story he took a piece of masonic stationary and drew an octagon and then wrote the word "stop" in it, I grabed that piece of paper and still have it. The next year I put the map on the back of my t shirt via iron on and went by the booth, the next year the booth was not there and has not been there since. Im sure its there somewhere, I just havent run across it yet but I admit, I havent tried very hard to find it, I made my point, I am not afraid of them.
To freemasony jesus is the lodge, they are not waiting for a jesus to return.
There are 66 books in the bible, 66 in biblical numerology is IDOL worship, the mother road of America is Route 66, get your kicks. They put the bible together so as to use it, just as the vision Constantine had was all about, conquer using the cross/christian nation. Christians say this was a christian nation and that they have to get it back, it never was and never will be. I really do marvel when they say "God bless America" and "they are proud to be Americans", pride does go before the fall. The "name of the beast" is America and those who have the "name" of the beast are Americans and the flag is the "image" of that beast, it is what it is.
I dont need to hate it to tell the truth about it and I dont take joy in saying these things.
Christianity was borrowed from older religions and as Islam and Freemasonry etc, its part of the chaos.

stompk
03-16-2008, 05:41 AM
My honest opinion is that the society is evil, yes.

Are all members evil. No, but they belong to
an evil society. A secret society

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Shadow
03-16-2008, 10:13 AM
How can you call it evil? What facts do you have?

TheLucifer
03-16-2008, 01:53 PM
How can you call it evil? What facts do you have?


1. Its secret
2. It lies (intentionally misleads) to its own and especially to non masons
3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
4. When a married man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy even unto his wife, effectively breaking his marriage vows, they are no longer one.
5. When a mason marries a woman he swears false vows to her because of his oaths to the lodge.
6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.
7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
8. Male chauvinist, a woman cant be a mason
9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.

Shadow
03-17-2008, 12:03 PM
1. Its secret
2. It lies (intentionally misleads) to its own and especially to non masons
3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
4. When a married man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy even unto his wife, effectively breaking his marriage vows, they are no longer one.
5. When a mason marries a woman he swears false vows to her because of his oaths to the lodge.
6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.
7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
8. Male chauvinist, a woman cant be a mason
9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.


How can you prove any of the above if they are secret?

TheLucifer
03-17-2008, 02:06 PM
How can you prove any of the above if they are secret?

Testimony from those (via books and video) who quit the craft.
Masonic books, some of which, are not intended for public viewing i.e. Morals and Dogma etc.

The Lodge still has secrets yet to get out, to be sure, but much has gotten out.
Some of what I mentioned in the last post is public knowledge, such as women not allowed to become a mason and blacks not being allowed in, and swearing oaths of secrecy.

A mason asked me, "could I respect a man who breaks his oath ?"
That question was in response to me saying how I was seeking truth and that he was denying me of just that.

Spoksmen for Masonry say it is a society that has secrets/secret knowledge.

The word Occult according to Merriam Webster means, "to shut off from view or exposure."

In honesty, that defines the Old Testament (Daniel 12:4, shut up the words) and the New Testament (Revelation 10:4, Seal up those things...uttered) as well as Freemasonry.
The game is as old as the hills.

Real power and honor do not lie in secrecy.
Freemasonry is the master of double speak, to say one thing while meaning something else.
The masters of smoke and mirrors.

Freemasonry says it takes good men and making them better, while it says it intentionally misleads them, The fact is, the vast majority never get beyond the mislead stage.
How is that making them better ??

stompk
03-29-2008, 06:04 AM
I wrote a thread on ATS (i'm banned from that site) about the capital dome representing the entrance to Hades.

Did alot of research for that one
Does the Capital Dome symbolize the entrance to Hades?, page 1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319299/pg1)

Shadow
03-29-2008, 09:54 AM
Apotheosis literaly means "From the gods"

The architects of the capital were trying to pass the message that our nation was above this world. Just as the royal families were supposed to be above mere mortals, our founding fathers were to have concieved our nation from the gods.

Now we have leaders that claim to talk to God. Go figure!

caspar2012
04-01-2008, 05:12 AM
I don't think the masons are evil, but I think there are certainly elements within the group that are connected to other groups that are evil. My best-friends dad was in the Masons and he certainly wasn't evil....but then again he did end up commiting suicide.

Do you think the reason people see these groups as evil is because they're not connected with the church and over time they've tried to discredit these groups and their beliefs as it could destroy everything they believe???

Does anyone know much about the Illuminati - besides what Dan Brown wrote about?? I recently found some group called the Weavers, something to do with Cathars and I think connected to the Freemasons, except much less seems to be known about them.

stompk
04-02-2008, 05:44 AM
Check out William Milton Cooper.

totse.com | Milton Cooper lecture on UFO's (good stuff) (http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/mj_12_the_alien_government_conspiracy/coop_ufo.html)

Very interesting guy, was killed by cops in 2001.

By reading his stuff, I have found a lot of hidden organizations, like Mitre



This issue of The Edge is devoted to MITRE's burgeoning biotechnology effort. Biotechnology is a critical technology that will be a major economic driver in the next decade. It holds out promise for major medical and health breakthroughs, but at the same time it has the potential for devastating destruction in the forms of deliberate or naturally occurring outbreaks of disease, pollution, and bio-contamination.

MITRE - News and Events - MITRE Publications - The Edge - Spring 2005 - Biotechnology (http://www.mitre.org/news/the_edge/spring_05/index.html)

stompk
04-02-2008, 06:09 AM
By William Cooper


I tell you now that Freemasonry is one of the most wicked and terrible organizations upon this earth. The Masons are major players in the struggle for world domination. The 33rd Degree is split into two. One split contains the core of the Luciferian Illuminati and the other contains those who have no knowledge of it whatsoever. ALL of the intelligence officers that I worked for while in Naval Intelligence were Masons.

As I stated before, I believe that my association with the DeMolay Society as a young adult may have been the reason that I was selected for Naval Security and Intelligence. However, that is only a guess. I had intended to go into great detail linking P2, the Prieure de Sion, the Vatican, the CIA, organizations for a United Europe, and the Bilderberg Group. Fortunately, Michael Baigent, Righard Leigh & Henry Lincoln beat me to it. I say fortunately, because they confirm my previous allegation that I published in my paper

"The Secret Government" that the CIA had plants, called moles, deep within the Vatican. You must read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy, both by Baigent, Leigh, & Lincoln. Any reputable bookstore should carry them. Between pages 343 and 361 of The Messianic Legacy you can read of the alliance of power that resulted in a secret world government.

Most members of the Freemasons are not aware that the Illuminati practices what is known as "secrets within secrets," or organizations within organizations- That is one purpose of initiation. I cannot excuse any of the members, however, or anyone who joins a society without knowing everything about the organization is indeed a fool. Only those at the top who have passed every test truly know what the Masons are hiding, thus
rendering it impossible for anyone outside to know much at all about the group.

What does that say about new members or those who are already members but do not know the ultimate secrets? It tells me that fools abound. Unlike authors who out of fear have acted as apologists for the Freemasons, I decline to absolve

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them of responsibility and guilt. The Freemasons, like everyone else, are responsible for the cleanliness of their home. The occupant of a secret house within a secret house within a secret house cannot clean if he cannot see the number of rooms or what they contain. Their house is a stinking cesspool.

Look to the Masons for the guilty party if anything happens to me. I believe that they have murdered in the past and that they will murder in the future. Their goal is to rule the world. The doctrine of this group is not democracy or communism, but is a form of fascism. The doctrine is totalitarian socialism. You must begin to think correctly.

The Illuminati are not Communists, but some Communists are Illuminati. (1) Monarchism (thesis) faced democracy (antithesis) in WWI, which resulted in the formation of communism and the League of Nations (synthesis). (2) Democracy and communism (thesis) faced fascism (antithesis) in WWII and resulted in a more powerful United Nations (synthesis). (3) Capitalism (thesis) now faces communism (antithesis) and the result will be the New World Order, totalitarian socialism (synthesis).

The 1953 report of the California Senate Investigating Committee on Education stated: "So-called modern Communism is apparently the same hypocritical world conspiracy to destroy civilization that was founded by the illuminati, and that raised its head in our colonies here at the critical period before the adoption of our Constitution." The California Senate understood that communism is the work of the Illuminati.

They failed to realize that the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission are also the work of the Illuminati. You MUST begin to think correctly. The enemy is not communism, it is Illuminism. The Communists are not going to be much happier with the New World Order than we.

I hope to show that most modern secret societies and especially those that practice degrees of initiation, and that is the key, are really one society with one purpose. You may call them whatever you wish--the Order of the Quest, the JASON Society, the Roshaniya, the Qabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient and Mystical Order of Rosae Crucis, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rosicrucians, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Open Friendly Secret Society (the Vatican), the Russell Trust, the Skull & Bones, the Scroll & Key, the Order--they are all the same and all work toward the same ultimate goal, a New World Order.

Many of them, however, disagree on exactly who will rule this New World Order, and that is what causes them to sometimes pull in opposite directions while nevertheless proceeding toward the same goal. The Vatican, for instance, wants the Pope to head the world coalition. Some want Lord Maitreya to head the New World Order. Lord Maitreya is the front runner, I believe, since witnesses say he was present on the ship at Malta with Bush, Gorbachev, and the ten regional heads of the New World Order. "Approximately 200 dignitaries from around the world attended a major conference initiated by Maitreya in London on April 21 and 22,1990. Representatives of governments (including the USA), members of royal families, religious leaders and journalists, all of whom had met with Maitreya previously, attended the conference."
Quote from "Prophecy Watch" column of Whole Wheat No. 8, Minneapolis.

Someone has also spent an awful lot of money announcing his presence. The Pope will have to approve him if Maitreya is selected, however, and that would fulfill the Bible prophecy in the Book of Revelation that states that the first beast will be given his power by Rome. If you can interpret Revelation as I can, then you know that the Pope will ultimately win out and will reign as the second beast. In 1952 an alliance was formed, bringing them all together for the first time in history.

The Black Families, the Illuminati (the Order), the Vatican, and the Freemasons now work together to bring about the New World Order. All will protest their innocence and will do everything within their power to destroy anyone who suggests otherwise. I will undoubtedly become a target when this book is published.

muslim4life
04-08-2008, 01:59 PM
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stompk
04-29-2008, 05:17 PM
OK, watched it.

Now what?

Not all Nazi's were evil.
Would I hang out with a Nazi.

Hell no.

TheLucifer
04-29-2008, 06:46 PM
the capital dome representing the entrance to Hades.


stompk very interesting because as I have shown, the Capital bldg is the head of the beast Satan (literally), and it being on Capital Hill (that is the "hill" [as forementioned] that Satan is on, in the temptation story), what you wrote can only make perfect sense.

This place is the center of the world.

"The Capital building represents the Power of this Country in stone."


I appreciate your work/insight.

KennyWally
06-03-2008, 06:55 PM
Stompk, I have read up on this case of McMartin Pre-School abuse case. You have to be a christian to belive this, I even read that the kids have seen witches fly? They were flushed down toilets, went thru pipes and ended up in a secret satanic underground place were they were molested? I also read that the tunnels were old pre-world war tunnels, filled up with all sorts of crap. Even kids now grown up tell that they were told, that they were doing the right thing in telling this. That they were good kids, and by so lead in many ways to keep on telling tales. This is very similar to the case we had in Norway, were investigators and parents set their minds into making kids tell lies....... Now, were is the conspiracy about these kinda hoaxes? Thats your mindcontroll, my friend.



Pardon me for barging in here...


Not MINDcontrol, but INFORMATION CONTROL.

Don't take my word for it, but the "false memory syndrome center"...was cia.

Even if I didn't believe that, and I'm sure you don't. I don't believe anything major

is the way it is portrayed on teevee.

If you can't see the mass manipulation, you are either blind or a liar. I don't know which. And I don't care either.

I have lots of fodder for what I know and what I believe...here is some of it;

Amazon.com: Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press: Kristina Borjesson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Into-Buzzsaw-Leading-Journalists-Expose/dp/1591022304/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212540835&sr=1-1)

battlemind (http://www.dicksutphen.com/html/battlemind.html)

WAR IS A RACKET - Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm)

Amazon.com: Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq: Stephen Kinzer: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212513448&sr=1-1)

Amazon.com: The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War: Thomas Dilorenzo: Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761526463/ref=s9subs_c2_at1-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=122XW91KHA7XK0274EDQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240301&pf_rd_i=507846)



all that and lots more tells me, we've been lied to and manipulated all along.

And belief in those lies by decent folk is considered brainwashing to me.



Anyways I heard from a retired law enforcement man that mcmartin was real

and was covered up.

But you go ahead and believe the liars who are controlled by the corporations, you'll probably sleep better.

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:12 PM
the hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:17 PM
:Dthe hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

lost in space
06-13-2008, 07:22 PM
the hidden treasure is the art of turning lead into gold ,like the whole alchemy thing . taking us the [dirt,sheep,unintellegent,[he he]lead=heavy weight =atlas carring the earth,us people ,u being atlas us the earth,and socializing us in what ever you see as perfect=gold. the great work as it is also called. i can go on and on

ice
07-02-2008, 09:02 AM
but ? are the masons evil ?

most poeple who just sit back and do nothing , are evil !

infact ? it is a strong conviction of mine , that since there are only a few that make the world bad place up top , and generally most of man kind is full of mid-fence sitters who claim they cant do anything to justify why they dont do anything , and only a hand full of poeple who search the truth who are concidered wiered , or strange , but actually do something about it ,

raises me to theconclusion that the most reason why , we have this spiritual famin and evil pestilance , is because those we call polotitions , make polocies , these polotcies are made for the masses , who ? do nothing about it , there fore , the masses are to blame for this sick twisted planet because they do everything to accept it in their minds and life , but also do everything to make sure , that they do othing about it .

are the freemasons evil ? probarbly !!

are the masses evil ? yes they are !

we are what we do !
actons speek louder than words .
all truth is its own evidance !

TheLucifer
07-02-2008, 01:08 PM
but ? are the masons evil ?

most poeple who just sit back and do nothing , are evil !

infact ? it is a strong conviction of mine , that since there are only a few that make the world bad place up top , and generally most of man kind is full of mid-fence sitters who claim they cant do anything to justify why they dont do anything , and only a hand full of poeple who search the truth who are concidered wiered , or strange , but actually do something about it ,

raises me to theconclusion that the most reason why , we have this spiritual famin and evil pestilance , is because those we call polotitions , make polocies , these polotcies are made for the masses , who ? do nothing about it , there fore , the masses are to blame for this sick twisted planet because they do everything to accept it in their minds and life , but also do everything to make sure , that they do othing about it .

are the freemasons evil ? probarbly !!

are the masses evil ? yes they are !

we are what we do !
actons speek louder than words .
all truth is its own evidance !


Yes, there are those who perpetrate wickedness (the few) and there are those who allow it (the many).

The Bible says people are willingly ignorant, they choose to be stupid, and also says the people perish for the lack of knowledge.

People are also waxed fat, which means I am comfortable, dont rock my boat, turning a blind eye towards others wickedness and suffering.

"By the people for the people" is something I consider in different ways.
The questions one needs ask is, by what people for what people ?, and, in what way for what way ? (there are only two ways from which to choose one, good or bad).


I think about the Bible story where the people want the good guy crucified while wanting the bad guy set free.

The story about people being more wicked in the end times (now) than before the flood, (here's the good news) or ever will be.


Is this all by chance ?
Or is there orchestration ?

I say that we are in that short season in which Satan is released, and that that season is almost over.

Good times are just ahead, for mankind, though I wont be seeing it, I can see it.

ice
07-02-2008, 02:18 PM
TheLucifer ?

i used to be much of a faith man , although at one time i was a born again Christian .
until i learned , under no cercumstances are christians suposed to pray to him ,ie jesus , but to god only . ie , praying to jesus is a satanic mind trick of idolising .
anyway to side step from that , last night , after 15 year of rebellion , and almost finishing 5 years work on how religion imprisons free thought and practices ignorance , i changed my mind again !

i am now , seriously concidering , altering much of my book before i get it published . it is the "right thing to do !" especially after a rescent event .

anyway , also getting away from that ,

Luther King ; and i quote ,

he who passively accepts evil is as much involved with it as those who perpatrate it . he who accepts evil with out protesting against it , is really co-operating with it !


logan pearsall smith ;

it is amongst poeple who think no evil , that evil can flourish without fear.


this one will say it all

Edna st vincent millay

evil alone has oil for every wheel .


yes ! our masses are to blame for our world sickness , not so much our leaders .
there are enough of our masses to protest ! so why dont they ? after all polotitions make polocies , for those , they govern . they only make polocies , it is the actions and inactions of the masses , that commit the acts and do nothing about it !

we surely are at the ass edge of hell in these days . thaks to our masses ignorance , fear . poverish back stabbing system loving ridicule , and stupendousely profound vanity !quite frankly , i dont feel sorry for them . also if it is realy near the end ? hhhhhhoooooooooooooorrrrrraaaaaaaaay !

im not a person who wants poeple to perish .
i am a person who wants poeple to reap what they sewe ! thats all !

Ban Freekmasons
07-03-2008, 08:57 AM
Well done Stompk, 10 out of 10 for this post. See how the Masons all have something to say from behind the curtains. If it's such a good, charitable fraternity ? why do they all hide and deny membership ?

ice
07-03-2008, 09:32 AM
because as usuall , they have something to hide !

Ozziecynic
07-28-2008, 06:24 AM
If there is something smelly and shadowy about it, its christianity with its history. Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps.
:cool:Your plain wrong there Hitler was very much into the occult secret society thing as were many high ranking men of his time. True he may not have been a Freemason however he was part of a theosphist spin off known as the "Thule Society" an occult Order this where Hitler sourced many of his Nazis ideas including the Aryan master race thing from Blatavatskys writings like the "Secret Doctrine" also a favourite of some Masonic orders.Whether hitler encouraged or hated freemasonry is a mute point because his ideals were inspired by occult ideals with the same source as Freemasonry in Gnosticism, Qabalism and other mystery pagan religions of antiquity. I have studied this subject well so your not dealing with fool in my case. It will take little more to pull the wool over my eyes if your still around mate!.:cool:

stompk
10-12-2008, 09:55 AM
:cool:Your plain wrong there Hitler was very much into the occult secret society thing as were many high ranking men of his time. True he may not have been a Freemason however he was part of a theosphist spin off known as the "Thule Society" an occult Order this where Hitler sourced many of his Nazis ideas including the Aryan master race thing from Blatavatskys writings like the "Secret Doctrine" also a favourite of some Masonic orders.Whether hitler encouraged or hated freemasonry is a mute point because his ideals were inspired by occult ideals with the same source as Freemasonry in Gnosticism, Qabalism and other mystery pagan religions of antiquity. I have studied this subject well so your not dealing with fool in my case. It will take little more to pull the wool over my eyes if your still around mate!.:cool:

This is the most intelligent thing you've said in this thread.

What part of 'the Queen is head of all of these societies' do you not understand.

Do you work for her directly?

Ozziecynic
10-13-2008, 05:44 AM
Do you work for her directly?

HAHAH your a funny guy!! You should come downunder sometime and throw those anti monarchist ideas around and see how far you get!.
Not everywhere is like the US you know!. Remeber thats the Union Jack there we have in the corner of that Aussie flag not only the aussie flag, the Nz flag as well. Not to forget all the coat arms we have for various states and territories and most civic bodies with the english crown adorning them including our armed forces whom seem to share a particular qaint relationship with her old crusty highness :D

Btw if you are larouche man then i supppose your kicking at the fact that Ronny Paul come along & nabbed all your impressionable conspiracy voters in middle america. I realise that Lyndon Larouche was the ronny paul of the 1970s or 80s however his heyday is long gone and so is yours by the looks of it!.:rolleyes:

stompk
10-13-2008, 07:39 PM
You should come downunder sometime and throw those anti monarchist ideas around and see how far you get!


You underestimate me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/w2ehoi.jpg

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 01:57 AM
If you call doing charity for kids and making good men into better men evil, then something is totally wrong here.

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 10:40 AM
The Shriners do a lot of charity for kids, Shriners have to be Masons first ;) In IL, we do ILCHIP which is IL Child ID Program where we give free search and rescue packets to folks for their kids. There are all kinds.

Masons make good standing men into better men through fellowship and brotherhood and charity. I love being able to come around fellow brothers who dont judge me or think I am a goat sacraficing illuminati ;)

kruzzen
10-15-2008, 11:04 AM
What is a search and rescue packet and which folks require this?

We take DNA, a photo, some clothing (for S&R K9s) and stuff like that to help Law Enforcement search for your child if they go missing. All of this is provided FREE for parents and there are snacks and drinks at the events which is also free.

What is the first step in becomming a freemason?

Crack this super-secret Masonic code, lol: 2B1ASK1

You said one must be a Shriner before becomming a freemason.

What is a Shriner and how does one become a Shriner?

Yes I did.

It's the CHILDREN's CHARITY part I'm having difficulty with because, you know, when a group/organization does charity work for children, you certainly aren't suppose to criticize them, eh?

Huh? Over here in IL, we also have a Masonic Home for Kids, orphan kids.

That would be like saying the majority of the folks who control the world are Zionist Jews.

LOL. This is sounding like that divinci code movie :p

Don't criticize the JEWS cause they were persecuted.

Who did this? Not me...

This is an all male organization, Freemason, right?

Yes. We are a Fraternity, remember, Fraternity is for Males. Sority for females.

There again, the reason I have a problem with the Children's Charity work.

I do not understand, please be more specific.

Besides passing out search and rescue packets, what other children's charity do the Freemason's involve themselves with?

All sorts. The best thing to do is google "Masonic Charities" and look on the 1000s and 1000s of Lodge sites to view various charities for Kids. :) Hospitals, Homes, CHIP gigs, even providing bicycles to poorer schoolage kids.

kruzzen
10-16-2008, 03:46 AM
Maybe someone else can help you. You just keep repeating questions and saying off the wall stuff LOL, almost like a BOT...

Ozziecynic
10-16-2008, 05:22 AM
Maybe someone else can help you. You just keep repeating questions and saying off the wall stuff LOL, almost like a BOT...

In regards to why the profane dont like Freemasons it is due to just the fact that you consider most of us to be little more than cattle or lambs to the slaughter.
The Freemasonic doctrine towards the profane which i have read in various places is no different from the jewish talmud and its attitude towards gentiles.
Infact most that have spilt beans Freemasonry and spread anti masonic propaganda are actually cowans eg OFF members etc. I am sure you get my drift, just about every single source of anti sentiment starts with a disgruntled ex member every single one.
You and his worshipfulness in this forum could actually make a start on the road toward reconciliation with yours truly at least by answering my questions addressed to Masons when i ask them like the one in:"Are masons Monotheists thread." Or is that too much to ask.:confused:

kruzzen
10-16-2008, 02:09 PM
To be a Mason ask a Mason, we don't recruit ;)

kruzzen
10-17-2008, 06:45 AM
LOL, whatever...

To be a Mason, you have to petition for it and get sponsored by Masons. Then you get voted on, if you pass that, then you go through 3 degrees to become a full Mason. There is no higher degree in which you are fuller than 3rd. Sorry for not explaining that part. I see where you could have been annoyed by it. My apologies...

KSigMason
10-22-2008, 08:28 PM
REALLY LONG POST AHEAD!

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.
Now that's new to me since you have to be religious to join. Also, when you join the York Rite you have to be a Christian to petition.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.
And yet there is no conclusive evidence of Baphomet attached to the Freemasons. Plus, if you use the ATBASH cipher, Baphomet translates into Sophia.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?
Uh...cause the meetings are secret? Duh.

Do I think they are sacrificing children? I don't know for sure, but they seem to concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.
That's just the Shriners. The York Rite I believe does occular research. The Scottish Rite gives to another charity, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

I don't need proof. I simply plant the seed.
That's a little reckless. Planting the seed of hate and fear. It's people like you planting false lies to push the people against the Freemasons.

Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.
Here's an article I wrote on the Seal. Plus I should note that back in the day, books of symbols were used commonly so it's not entirely impossible that some symbols were used commonly.

I've decided to start a thread where I'll post some conspiracies and I'll post my beliefs/thoughts on the subject:

ONE DOLLAR BILL

THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/Great_Seal_of_the_US.jpghttp://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/USA_Great_Seal_Reverse.jpg

Let us start with the Great Seal. Conspirators try to point out that Masons designed it, but what they don't realize it that Ben Franklin was only on the 1st committee. There were a few more committees that didn't include any Masons.

Let's start with the the hidden anagram. If you look at the 13-stars above the Eagles head you are able to draw a 6-pointed star (Star of David). Then take that star and place it over the disc with the pyramid and all-seeing eye. Five of the points point toward the letters: A, S, N, O, and M. Switch them around and you get 'MASON'. Many conspirators believe this "definitively" proves the Masons have their hand in the making of the One Dollar Bill and from that the government. I personally think this is folly. It's the same argument conspirators use to say Masons designed the roads in Washington DC.

The Eagle. There are a couple things I have heard about the Eagle on the bill: a) it's really a Phoenix and b) the Eagle connects Freemasonry to the Egyptian god Aman-Ra. To start out, Ben Franklin originally wanted a Turkey to be the American bird. He believed it be a courageous bird. As for the Phoenix twist, I have yet to see the Phoenix in any of my ceremonies. Nor do we have a connection to the Egyptian sun god Aman-Ra. Some point out the whole All-Seeing Eye is the Eye of Ra, but I'll get to that later. Some point out that the wings have 32-feathers on one wing and 33-feathers on another. I believe this to be a spectacular coincidence and not some connection to the Scottish Rite. The American Bald Eagles seemed like a symbol for strength and freedom, thus the reason it was picked.

E Pluribus Unum is not often used as a conspiracy support, but lets cover it. Out of Many, One. It refers to one nation created out of many individual states. That's it.

Let's jump to the other disc. At the top is written, Annuit Coeptis: God has favored our undertaking. At the bottom is written, Novus Ordo Seclorum: New Order of the Ages, though conspiracy theorists say it means "New World Order. Conspirators say that the two phrases taken together means "God has favored this New World Order". But anyone who has the smallest knowledge of Latin would know it really says "New Order of the Ages".

To a very familiar symbol to all the Craft, the All-Seeing Eye. A very "damning" piece of evidence for the conspiracy, supposedly. While the All-Seeing Eye is frequently used in Freemasonry this symbol is also used and has been used in mainstream religions with the same meaning; God.

As for the pyramid, I have heard from the same "Egyptian mythology" conspirators that the pyramid is where Masons are initiated. Masons know otherwise.

At the base of the pyramid are some plants. Some say it is the acasia which certainly would be a symbol of Freemasonry. While it seems too small to depict, it would be very funny if it was an acasia.

Let's play the number game. The theory is that the number 13 is a number held in high esteem by Masons. I laugh because while 13 is used every on the dollar bill it couldn't possibly be a reference to the original 13-colonies.

MASONS ARE SATANISTS

Albert Pike, a Confederate General, author, and well-known Freemason scribed the famous Masonic book, "Morals and Dogma". Inside this book the following passage is cited:

[QUOTE]Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!

For semantics sake, many people don't realize that Biblical scholars still argue over the fact that Lucifer may not be Satan since the only reference to Lucifer is in Isaiah:

Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Also, in Roman mythology was the name of the morning star, commonly known as the planet Venus. The morning star preceded the sun (light) of the day.

Also, here is quite an interesting verse:

Revelation 22:16 - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Most masonic temples have tours, go on one. You wont be able to see everything, but pretty much every room is covered.
Yeah, I give tours all the time to people who come up. I'm surprised to see how many women come up and bring there boyfriends.

Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps.
Hamas even refers to the Freemasons in their charter.

Hitler was a Mason for a period.
Can you post a link proving this? I can only remember the Lodges in Germany being dissolved after Hitler took power. Going off-topic for a sec: the Grand Lodge of Idaho was the first Masonic body to denounce Hitler and his actions against the Jewish people. We still keep in relations with Fiat Lux Lodge (which merged with another Lodge recently).

MUSLIM4LIFE, would you be surprised to know that there are Muslims in Freemasonry? I know personally there were Lodges in Iraq until Saddam had them destroyed, but now they are popping back up.

To freemasony jesus is the lodge, they are not waiting for a jesus to return.
LMAO! LOL! That one made me laugh.

1. Its secret
Which means nothing of good and evil. Secrecy doesn't necessarily mean bad.

3. When a man becomes a mason he swears oaths of secrecy, to fellow masons and especially to non masons.
And how do you know this? Oaths of Freemasons do not intrude onto our lives with family, country, or God...it appertains to Freemasonry only.

4. & 5. are you personal opinion only

6. Masons swear to help other masons even if the one being helped is in fact a criminal.

7. Freemasonry is Racist, a black man cant be a mason.
Not true, my Lodge has several black men in it. Back in the late 18th, early 19th century this may have been true, but Prince Hall started a branch of Freemasonry and by tradition it still survives, but Freemaonry accepts black men into all bodies.

9. Discriminates against handicapped, a handicapped person cant become a mason, and if a mason becomes handicapped he is expelled from the craft.
Again false. I am a disabled (knee) veteran and a Past Master of my Lodge is blind and works at the State house for the Blind committee.

10. According to Freemasonry non masons are damned to hell, they wont be going to the lodge in the sky.
Not true. I do wonder how you get your information, but your username sure speaks volumes and gives me ideas.

I'm asking YOU what one needs to do to become a Shriner because, you said, all Freemasons have to be Shriners and, I'm asking YOU, what one needs to do to become a FREEMASON.
Actually, you have to be a Freemason first before you can be a Shriner. Once you get your 3rd deg Master Mason you can then petition with the Shriners.

moriahmountaineer
10-23-2008, 11:16 AM
You underestimate me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/w2ehoi.jpg

Damn! They DO look similar!

That proves it...

Darth Cacodaemon
03-26-2009, 01:57 PM
Condi Rice, keeper of the great seal, has gone to great lengths to dispell the conspiracies surrounding the symbolism of the seal, and it's connections to Freemasonry.


Source: Great Seal secrets revealed! - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_great_seal_myths_3)

That was awfully nice of them to come out of the closet and explain.

Thing their not watching these conspiracy forums?

Huh Delta, huh Shadow?

Well done! We are pleased by your actions. My Master needs more faithful servants such as yourself to aid us in our war.
Do not be discouraged, my friend. You will be rewarded when the war is won and my Master establishes His Empire here on Earth. Great will be your reward from my master should you hold fast and remain faithful.

KSigMason
03-29-2009, 01:29 AM
Well done! We are pleased by your actions. My Master needs more faithful servants such as yourself to aid us in our war.
Do not be discouraged, my friend. You will be rewarded when the war is won and my Master establishes His Empire here on Earth. Great will be your reward from my master should you hold fast and remain faithful.
And who is your Master?

KSigMason
04-05-2009, 11:40 PM
Who is your master?
Almighty God.

KSigMason
04-06-2009, 11:09 PM
Interesting.

What does the Almighty God tell you?

To worship Freemasons?

I think your masters are those within Freemasonry to whom you are subservient and not GOD.

Just a guess.

But, I think I'm right.
Almighty God tells me to live the good life. No actually Freemasonry teaches me to worship the God of my Faith; for me its the Christian God.

No offense, but you thought wrong.

KSigMason
04-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Hey, KSigMason, what's happening in the world of Freemasonry?
Not much right now. We've had an influx in membership. We've already surpassed last years total of new members.

Why do you need Freemasonry to teach you to worship the God of your Faith?

You can't make this decision of your own accord?
Freemasonry didn't need to to teach me to have faith, but they support every member to worship in their own way. It unites men of every faith into a group, but doesn't push for one religion over another.

Leonardo
04-10-2009, 10:29 AM
I have never personally met a freemason who is anything but an half-educated idiot filled with cornhusk sophistry.

I'm not just saying this, I really believe it. Masons are a bunch of arrogant ignorati. On the one hand they will tell you that they have nothing to do with Illuminati and then they will spew out Luciferian based philosophy while believing themselves to be 'Christian' and even go to some half-baked evangelical church on Sunday and are so dense and deceived they can't even tell the difference anymore.

Passive aggresive, quasi-elitist, skulking secretive losers..

They are so owned, man. I would feel sorry for them if they weren't so contemptable.

The funniest and most tragic thing about a freemason from the common mold is that they actually believe themselves to be accomplished individuals. Most of the time they are in truth flakes who enjoy having their ego stroked and will quite literally do anyone's bidding on any issue or task if they believe that individual or group to be in a position to raise there nebulous social status.

And when they get this attainment of the 33 degree or what not, WHO CARES? You know what a 33 degree mason represents to me? An initiated Idiot.

KSigMason
04-10-2009, 02:24 PM
I have never personally met a freemason who is anything but an half-educated idiot filled with cornhusk sophistry.
You think that because they don't adhere to your thinking. Opposing thought is not ignorance.

The funniest and most tragic thing about a freemason from the common mold is that they actually believe themselves to be accomplished individuals.
Sounds like jealousy to me...

There have been many accomplished men who were Masons, but being a noted person is not required to be in the Masons. We are taught that it is the internal, not the external that recommend a man to become a Mason.

Leonardo
04-10-2009, 03:11 PM
Enjoy your boyscout merrit badges, KingSig.

KSigMason
04-11-2009, 04:40 AM
Enjoy your boyscout merrit badges, KingSig.
Already did the Boy Scouts, but never got my Eagle Scout.

Boy Scouts and Masons are two entirely different groups. Having been in both I can vouch for that.

Leonardo
04-11-2009, 08:29 PM
What most masons will never know is that there is one other degree even higher than the 33rd, which is the 33rd and 1/2. The token of this degree is a badge that is only granted to the Fraternal Order of the Sacred Cowbell.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/noisepollution/cowbell%20merit%20badge%20(Custom).gif

The ritual of the ritualistic rite consists of the Order dressed in black robes with white spots chanting Blue Oyster Cult lyrics backwards while beating on cowbells.

KSigMason
04-11-2009, 08:59 PM
What most masons will never know is that there is one other degree even higher than the 33rd, which is the 33rd and 1/2. The token of this degree is a badge that is only granted to the Fraternal Order of the Sacred Cowbell.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/noisepollution/cowbell%20merit%20badge%20%28Custom%29.gif

The ritual of the ritualistic rite consists of the Order dressed in black robes with white spots chanting Blue Oyster Cult lyrics backwards while beating on cowbells.
ROFL! Good one. :D

I have a FEVER!

stompk
04-26-2009, 06:53 AM
Already did the Boy Scouts, but never got my Eagle Scout.

Boy Scouts and Masons are two entirely different groups. Having been in both I can vouch for that.

Please. The boy scouts are part of the pyramid. A stepping stone.

The truth never has secrets.

KSigMason
04-27-2009, 12:36 AM
Please. The boy scouts are part of the pyramid. A stepping stone.

The truth never has secrets.
Yeah, there is no Boy Scout - Masonic connection; two separate groups.

stompk
04-27-2009, 06:19 PM
Ever hear of the order of the arrow?
Official National Order of the Arrow Web Site (http://www.oa-bsa.org/)

They meet in lodges
They hold rituals


The dramatic induction ceremonies developed for the "Order of the Arrow", as the fledgling honor society was soon dubbed, indeed proved to have a strong influence on scouts. Even today, these rites make a lasting impression on those who have been elected to the "Order of the Arrow".

As the OA continued to develop in the early years, others further embellished the ceremonies with characters from James Fenimore Cooper's "Last of the Mohicans", along with the addition of some Masonic-like rituals. A similarity between certain aspects of OA and Masonic ceremonies is not surprising, since Goodman and Edson were themselves Masons, as were others who had a prominent role at the time in further development of OA ceremonies.

The History of the Order of the Arrow and its Founder, E. Urner Goodman (http://www.atlascom.us/urner.htm)

KSigMason
04-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Doesn't make them a part of the Masonic Family.

Mintwithahole.
07-08-2009, 08:39 AM
I always hear how masons are christian?
I wonder then if there's any proof in the fact that a christian mason has to break 5 of the 10 commandments to proceed through to the 1st degree initiation. . . Doesn't sound very christian like to me!

KSigMason
07-08-2009, 10:08 AM
I always hear how masons are christian?
I wonder then if there's any proof in the fact that a christian mason has to break 5 of the 10 commandments to proceed through to the 1st degree initiation. . . Doesn't sound very christian like to me!
And which ones would those be?

I am the Lord thy God, ... Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Freemasons are taught to worship their own God as their own and no other Brother is forced to worship another's God. Since we have so many men of different faiths we use one name as a generic term. There are two things in the Lodge we are forbidden to talk about: religion and politics.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
And we don't. If you are going to say the Square and Compass is a graven image you are reaching.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
And we don't.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
We don't meet on Sundays with exception of the York Rite which holds special meetings for Christmas and Easter observance.

Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.

Not sure how this could be done.

Thou shalt not kill.
We haven't killed anyone since the 70s.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
We are actually taught to prevent this and not commit adultery.

Thou shalt not steal.
We are taught to be good citizens and that includes not breaking the laws.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
To be good and true is the first lesson we are taught in Freemasonry.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Not sure how this is broken.

Mintwithahole.
07-08-2009, 10:35 AM
It's commandment 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9. which apparently have to be broken.
Also explain this to me if you're really christian, god fearing folk.

"A considerable amount of excision was necessitated by the alteration of the clause in the masonic constitution which changed masonry from a christian to a non christian basis."

The Higher Degree Handbook. p25.
JSM Ward. 33degree mason.

Non christian basis? Doesn't sound much like you are christian to me. . .

KSigMason
07-08-2009, 11:50 AM
It's commandment 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9. which apparently have to be broken.
Also explain this to me if you're really christian, god fearing folk.

"A considerable amount of excision was necessitated by the alteration of the clause in the masonic constitution which changed masonry from a christian to a non christian basis."

The Higher Degree Handbook. p25.
JSM Ward. 33degree mason.

Non christian basis? Doesn't sound much like you are christian to me. . .
Freemasonry holds no religion as it's religion. You just have to be religious to join. As we cannot be secular or be particular to any certain religion we moved to a non-denomination basis.

I talked about the Commandments in my previous post.

Leonardo
07-15-2009, 06:58 PM
So basically what you are saying is that Freemasonry takes religious people and changes them into non-religious people.

KSigMason
07-16-2009, 02:33 PM
So basically what you are saying is that Freemasonry takes religious people and changes them into non-religious people.
That's not what I said at all. We are taught to each worship our creator in our own way. The Lodge is not the place to talk about secular religion as we are made up of members of different faiths. Freemasonry ensures tolerance of the religions so no discord occurs; respect for one another's views.

Leonardo
07-17-2009, 12:42 AM
That's not what I said at all. We are taught to each worship our creator in our own way. The Lodge is not the place to talk about secular religion as we are made up of members of different faiths. Freemasonry ensures tolerance of the religions so no discord occurs; respect for one another's views.

You mean respect for Luciferian unreligion like Thelema to which Ordo Illuminati swears allegience when they place their hand on the Book of the Law?

What do you mean?

Do you even know what you mean?

Do you mean anything?

KSigMason
08-03-2009, 07:46 PM
They've taught you that outside of the lodge, you can tolerate all religions so no discord occurs and to have respect for other's views.

Too bad your own INTELLIGENCE couldn't teach you this and that you needed to become a Freemason in order to obtain this knowledge.
I didn't need the Freemasons to know this, but it's a rule in the Lodge.

And you're what religion?
I am Christian, but as I said I didn't need the Freemasons. It's just one more thing I like about them...tolerance. Something many here don't quite grasp.

KSigMason, obviously, you have relinquished your brain to to the Freemason elders who tell you how to think, act and behave.
Nope, in fact I'm the one who sets the precedent in the Lodge, which run themselves, as the Grand Lodge really only meets once a year.

Many of you are under the impression that I just walked into the Freemasons blindly without doing an ounce of research. I've looked at all the crap you all have. I read books, I looked at sites, I talked with people (for and against), and when I was ready I chose to join. I left the Mormon church because they tried to run my life. I chose to take the position I was elected to so I could leave my mark, not so I could be ran like some puppet.


You mean respect for Luciferian unreligion like Thelema to which Ordo Illuminati swears allegience when they place their hand on the Book of the Law?

What do you mean?

Do you even know what you mean?

Do you mean anything?
What I said isn't a hard concept.

KSigMason
08-03-2009, 11:09 PM
A rule? How lovely.

Many of us here have demonstrated that we grasp the concept of tolerance because we TOLERATE you and have tolerated much more. So, your statement would be INCORRECT.
Do you think rules bad?

You tolerate me because you have to, I have broken no rules so the mods/admin won't ban me. Besides that, what have I written that is so beyond reasonable that your words make it sound almost unbearable.

KSigMason
08-04-2009, 10:56 PM
It is sad that an adult male finds it necessary to belong to a group who imposes rules upon the members because, obviously, HE can't impose his own rules upon himself and needs others to do that for him.

You said that many of the members of this forum are intolerant and I commented that your statement was inaccurate because we tolerate you.
Well, you are basically mocking me and the members of Freemasonry. It's not like we call each other asking what we should wear or how we should act. We have our own will and thoughts. Freemasons make GOOD men better. You have to go in with pure intentions and heart.

In all of this, we have will free of the Order - most of the Brothers I see on Friday nights. Some are good friends that were hanging out before we joined the Freemasons.

There is an IGNORE function and those members who find you unbearable can certainly use it or just not respond to your posts.
You are right, but what's the point of ignoring opposing thought?

KSigMason
08-05-2009, 11:21 PM
Because some people just might have better things to do with their lives.
If that were true why would people be on a conspiracy site?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Freemasons always come across as sad and just a little pathetic to me. They can't stand on their own two feet so they join a cult loosely disguised as a fraternity, to find the exceptance that they cannot find in the ordinary world. All the self congratulations, the back slapping, the calling each other brother, the secrets and lies, the insistance that they can make a man a better man, the ridiculous garb (apron and white gloves) is all part of the subtle brainwashing that goes on in the lodges.
And the sad truth is that they don't really understand whats going on because that's the way the cult is designed to be.

"It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. There true implications is reserved for the adepts-the princes of masonry."
Morals & Dogma. p.819.


"Conceals it's secrets from all except the adepts and sages, or the elect and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of it's symbols to mislead, to conceal the truth which it calls light, from them and to draw them away from it."
Morals & Dogma.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 04:24 PM
Freemasons always come across as sad and just a little pathetic to me. They can't stand on their own two feet so they join a cult loosely disguised as a fraternity, to find the exceptance that they cannot find in the ordinary world. All the self congratulations, the back slapping, the calling each other brother, the secrets and lies, the insistance that they can make a man a better man, the ridiculous garb (apron and white gloves) is all part of the subtle brainwashing that goes on in the lodges.
And the sad truth is that they don't really understand whats going on because that's the way the cult is designed to be.
Anything can be a cult. Any GROUP with set ideals is a 'cult' by definition. Any religion can be called a cult. We don't join the Masons for 'self congratulations'. I joined the Masons because I'm a history nerd and I love esoteric work and symbolism. I gained a group of friends in a town I just moved to and the leadership training is good.

Plus I like to be involved in groups that do philanthropic work; I was a part of the Kiwanis youth group when I was in high school (really good time). Community service is something I increased in my Lodge as Master. I also gave a donation to a homeless shelter this year and we will give another right before Thanksgiving/Christmas time.

So Mint, did you get bored on ATS and decided to come on here and start slandering the Masons? Oh, and realize that 'Morals and Dogma' is intended just for the Scottish Rite, a branch of Freemasonry. I'm also curious as to why everyone picks the Scottish Rite for so many conspiracies? Why not the Shrine or York Rite?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 07:04 PM
No, my masonic friend, I left ATS because you and your masonic friends within that site banned me when I got too close to the truth. I was invited back but kindly told them to stick their invite where the sun don't shine.
Masons are pathetic. You want to continue this charade that your all about charity and so on, but when anyone asks you and your fellow occultists difficult questions you retreat and accuse people not taken in by your cult of being unfair or biased against the freemasons. . . Tell me , if this is the case why is that every belief system, every church worth mentioning is solid in their belief that you're anti christian? Not everyone is taken by the masonic lies. . . The weight of evidence against your cult is growing and sooner or later you will be seen for what you are. An elitist sect who feel they can manipulate history in their favour.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 07:38 PM
No, my masonic friend, I left ATS because you and your masonic friends within that site banned me when I got too close to the truth. I was invited back but kindly told them to stick their invite where the sun don't shine.
Well, that sucks. I didn't mind you at all on ATS. I only got aggravated with Suzq and vx.

Masons are pathetic. You want to continue this charade that your all about charity and so on, but when anyone asks you and your fellow occultists difficult questions you retreat and accuse people not taken in by your cult of being unfair or biased against the freemasons. . . Tell me , if this is the case why is that every belief system, every church worth mentioning is solid in their belief that you're anti christian? Not everyone is taken by the masonic lies. . . The weight of evidence against your cult is growing and sooner or later you will be seen for what you are. An elitist sect who feel they can manipulate history in their favour.
There's no need to be rude and use insults. Regardless of good, bad, or indifferent, you are biased, just as I am biased to be in favor of them. And the charity is not a charade; it's legitimate.

Well, many religions think we are a religion and we are not. The catholics don't like the Freemasons as they don't like anything that doesn't strictly follow their guidelines, as they are still catching up with science. Same goes with radical Islam. You can tell me what you think is true, but my own experience tells me different. What you say doesn't trump what I see on a regular basis and what I've experienced. It's like telling me the sky is red even though I look up and see that it is blue.

I would like to point out that the only bodies that have banned Freemasonry or gone after them in a major way were extremists, fascists, or tyrants. Those that have come after us stating that we have dark deeds have done worse than what we have been accused of. Oh, and until the 1st amendment is no more we will go on gathering as we have always done. There is no legitimate proof of criminal activity so no arrests.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 07:46 PM
Well, even I have to admit that Susq's accusations of masonic ritual child abuse was well over the top and unfounded. And let me also say that besides your self the only other mason I conversed with on ATS who I respected was network dude. The rest were all about preserving the illusion that masons are friendly charity workers who love everyone and have nothing to hide.
If I've insulted you let me say it's only because you're a fereemason. Personally you may be a great guy but the fact that you seek comfort within this cult just fills me with dismay. Get out before it's too late.

KSigMason
09-24-2009, 07:58 PM
Well, even I have to admit that Susq's accusations of masonic ritual child abuse was well over the top and unfounded. And let me also say that besides your self the only other mason I conversed with on ATS who I respected was network dude. The rest were all about preserving the illusion that masons are friendly charity workers who love everyone and have nothing to hide.
If I've insulted you let me say it's only because you're a freemason. Personally you may be a great guy but the fact that you seek comfort within this cult just fills me with dismay. Get out before it's too late.
Network dude is entertaining. I will concede that our strict privacy doesn't help with the conspiracies and makes us an easy target. I really wish I could just spill the beans of what our "secrets" are so people would just relax, but I took an Oath and I cannot break it. I'm honor bound. Some may not see it and call me dumb or foolish, but it's my word.

Yeah, it's hard to befriend someone on the net that you vehemently disagree with. I won't be getting out, I'm still finishing my year as Master.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:22 PM
Let me make my feelings about feeemasonry perfectly clear. . .
While accepting that not all masons are evil I have to continue to argue the point that theres something inherently rotten within the heart of freemasonry. There's to much evidence to show that the cult is up to no good.. . I worry about those who just can't, no matter howw hard they try, see that they are being manipulated, abused and used in some greater game that they can't imagine mainly because they have bought into this cults belief systems. Please answer these three simple questions?

1. How can you deny being elitist when you say that the masons are full of members who have been made better than ordinary people purely by belonging to a lodge?

2. Why is that masons say they believe in a supreme being without stating who this supreme being is?

3. How can masons claim to be good and decent when as part of the masonic ritual they swear under oath to kill anyone who reveals their secrets?

I say agin, get out and distance yourself from this cult as soon as you can. No good can come of it.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:44 PM
As a mason this is what KsigMason would have sworn. . .

"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree. . .and in failure of this, I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on a highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may god help and maintain me. Amen "

This is pretty self explanatory. . . To become a mason you have to swear that you will kill, dismember and behead a fellow mason who dares divulge masonic secrets. Let me ask you this? Would you swear to do this!!?
I know I wouldn't. . .

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:52 PM
It's the blood oath, freely available on the web. Just google it!

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Freely available on the web.

Awesome.

I'd love to converse with you longer but I must go about my business of making sure that no one else suffers as I did.

No.

I wouldn't swear to that oath.

Most ordinary, decent men wouldn't.

Let me ask you this.

Would you?

I've just told you I wouldn't! Do you read these posts or just make it up as you go along? I'd be interested to know what your agenda is?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:48 PM
So now you're just repeating what I write. . . Bravo! You're mother must be so proud.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:50 PM
Are you a Blue Angel or perhaps a Blue Demon!!?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:55 PM
You know her then?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 09:58 PM
Won't win!
How could I not win considering the level of the opposition?

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:10 PM
I asked if your mother was proud of you, you said yes so I replied, You Know Her Then- and your witty response response is, wait for it. . . Know who?

If you're going to argue with me it's so vitally important that you try to keep up with the debate. I know you're an idiot, and I forgive you for being such, but it's not very entertaining for me to insult a retard if the retard doesn't realise I'm insulting him, is it? Think about your response. Try to be interesting ( I know that's hard for you), and witty and at the very least have some pride in yourself.
For gods sake man, get a grip! Of course, I use the word, MAN, in it's most literal way as it would be an insult to men around the globe if they responded to my provocations the way you have. . . Either grow a pair of testicles and fight back or bury your rotten little head and go and suck your thumb in the corner.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Obviously, you haven't truly considered the level of opposition.
You are no opposition.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:16 PM
WHAT!!? God, you're pathetic. It's like conducting a conversation with a complete moron. If you're going to try to argue with me keep up with the debate you fool.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I don't foresee your answer forthcoming any time in the near future as to whom you were referring when you asked me If I knew her.

Oh for the love of god, Your MOTHER!!! You knew your mother. . . How many times do I have to write this? Like I said before, please try to keep up you cock.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:24 PM
I'm a BlueAngel not a Blue Demon.

What about you?

Are you a MintwithaDEMON or a MintwithoutaSOUL?

You're a Blue Dickhead!!!
I'm a demon when I have to be and don't ask if I have a soul because I don't!!! I am the incredibly minty Mintwithahole, and you would do good to remember my name for it is the name of a man, and his number is 666. . .

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:28 PM
True colors come out!

We know you don't have a soul.

Thanks for the verification.

Who took your soul from you?

The Freemasons?

No! Idiots like you who try my patience.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 10:34 PM
And here we have it! The last refuge of an imbocile. . . Repeating my very words back to me. I say, try to keep up, so you say try to keep up. . . I thought insulting you would be mildly entertaining but since you have the intellect of an asthmatic pox riddled pussy, and the debating skills of George W Bush, I will bid you good day.

Mintwithahole.
09-25-2009, 07:53 PM
Yes, and there we have it.

You say, "try to keep up" and I say, "try to keep up."

Unbelieveable.

I repeated your words.

Call the police.

Insulting someone is how you derive mild entertainment?

Speaks volumes of yourself.

What a ridiculous question.

Asking me if I knew my mother.

Seriously, Blue Angel, book yourself in with a psycho therapist and get yourself seen to. Without a doubt you are a fecking lunatic. Here's hoping that you get the treatment you deserve and one day can join the rest of us normal people. However, I don't hold out much hope.

ConFuse
09-26-2009, 05:25 AM
Seriously, Blue Angel, book yourself in with a psycho therapist and get yourself seen to. Without a doubt you are a fecking lunatic. Here's hoping that you get the treatment you deserve and one day can join the rest of us normal people. However, I don't hold out much hope.
I, would actually consider BlueAngel more 'normal' than you seem. Keep your childish antics to yourself, an interesting discussion was taking place here before you started asking people do they know their own relatatives.

KSigMason
09-26-2009, 03:32 PM
YOU know nothing of importance.
So says the non-member. You know nothing of what I know.

Let me make my feelings about feeemasonry perfectly clear. . .
While accepting that not all masons are evil I have to continue to argue the point that theres something inherently rotten within the heart of freemasonry. There's to much evidence to show that the cult is up to no good.. . I worry about those who just can't, no matter howw hard they try, see that they are being manipulated, abused and used in some greater game that they can't imagine mainly because they have bought into this cults belief systems. Please answer these three simple questions?

1. How can you deny being elitist when you say that the masons are full of members who have been made better than ordinary people purely by belonging to a lodge?

2. Why is that masons say they believe in a supreme being without stating who this supreme being is?

3. How can masons claim to be good and decent when as part of the masonic ritual they swear under oath to kill anyone who reveals their secrets?

I say agin, get out and distance yourself from this cult as soon as you can. No good can come of it.
I am curious as to what evidence there is that makes Freemasonry evil?

We make someone individually better, we never said they are better than ordinary people. I don't see myself as someone more important or better than anyone else because outside of Freemasonry, I'm a 25-year-old Sergeant in the Army.

We say Supreme Being because allow men of different faiths to join. Not everyone calls their higher power 'God'. And the penalty of our Oaths is purely symbolic. Several people have been kicked out of Freemasonry for divulging secrets, but are still breathing.

As a mason this is what KsigMason would have sworn. . .

"I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree. . .and in failure of this, I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on a highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may god help and maintain me. Amen "

This is pretty self explanatory. . . To become a mason you have to swear that you will kill, dismember and behead a fellow mason who dares divulge masonic secrets. Let me ask you this? Would you swear to do this!!?
I know I wouldn't. . .
Our Oaths are a lot longer than that, even the shortest one. But no where does it say that we as Brothers kill a Brother for spilling the secrets.

It's the blood oath, freely available on the web. Just google it!
We don't take a blood oath, that requires the spilling of blood.

KSigMason
09-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Wow, pages 15 and 16 were a waste of space.

ConFuse
09-26-2009, 06:01 PM
Wow, pages 15 and 16 were a waste of space.
Indeed.

What I don't seem to understand is, how this group can make you better men, aren't we taught right and wrong in school? Can't we continue our religious way individually? Why the secrets? If it's all for the better of man, what's stopping everyone else knowing what you do? Why must we join the group to improve ourselves too?

I'm not at all knowing of Freemasonry, though I've heard and watched videos based on conspiracys surrounding the group, though my opinion maybe slightly biased I'm still open to your responses, you did say I'm sure that you'd read up on the background of the Freemasons and weighed up your options before joining.. If you'd heard so much why would you join?

I only know the basics and I sure as hell wouldn't join, though I do believe government is currupt anyway and that the Freemasons have a roll in the changing of the world, for the worst.

I think you should explain fully as to what the Freemasons are all about, as much as you can because as you can clearly see there is alot of fuss about it.

Though I will probably not fully agree with what you're saying it will be interesting to read.

--- Sorry for my non-researched post, I'm just fascinated. ---

stompk
11-14-2009, 12:53 PM
I have become convinced that the Masons are extremely evil. The true anti-Christ religion.

Mintwithahole.
11-14-2009, 08:06 PM
The biggest problem with masonry is why a normal decent man would feel the need to be part of such a cult... What drives a man to need the constant back slapping, the never ending rhetoric concerning how great and important you are and the ego building letting in on so called secrets! "WHY!!?"
For those who still aren't convinced that freemasonry is evil please consider this. The first oath you make is the blood oath where you swear to butcher anyone who dares disclose masonic secrets..! You then procede to the third degree after which you can take a sideays step and become a 33rd degree mason in the Scottich or York cult. Then, as the brain washing takes hold you take your 19th degree and told that the god that you think you've been worshipping is in fact Lucifer, the lightbearer... "LUCIFER!"
Only idiots and the morally weak seek refuge in this cult. We should pity them...

Mintwithahole.
11-14-2009, 08:18 PM
Ah right, so we're back to repeating my words are we..?
Why don't you invest in a life you dickhead?

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:10 PM
I have become convinced that the Masons are extremely evil. The true anti-Christ religion.
From what? I wonder what the countless Christians would have to say about this.

The biggest problem with masonry is why a normal decent man would feel the need to be part of such a cult... What drives a man to need the constant back slapping, the never ending rhetoric concerning how great and important you are and the ego building letting in on so called secrets! "WHY!!?"
And how do you know of this "back slapping" and other "ego boosting activities"? How many Lodge meetings do you attend?

The first oath you make is the blood oath where you swear to butcher anyone who dares disclose masonic secrets!
By definition a blood oath requires the spilling of blood and that is not done. Nor is any harm done to anyone who breaks their oaths, they are just expelled. Nor do you swear to butcher anyone if they breaks their oath.

You then procede to the third degree after which you can take a sideays step and become a 33rd degree mason in the Scottich or York cult.
Well you procede only after passing through the 2nd degree. And also the 33rd only pertains to the Scottish Rite, the York Rite has only a handful of degrees, but then you are conferred orders of knighthood. And the 33rd isn't just handed out to anyone, you must put some time into it.

Then, as the brain washing takes hold you take your 19th degree and told that the god that you think you've been worshipping is in fact Lucifer, the lightbearer... "LUCIFER!"
Only idiots and the morally weak seek refuge in this cult. We should pity them...
And for the billionth time someone has misquoted Albert Pike. Lucifer is referring to light, ie knowledge, enlightenment. And in fact, the Bible is not referring to Satan when they speak of Lucifer, but in fact they are speaking of a Babylonian king, Helal, son of Shahar (translated from Hebrew to mean: Day Star, Son of the Dawn). In the original Hebrew Lucifer is not used as it is a Latin name. The confusion of all this comes from mistranslation/interpretation. King Jame's scholars did not translate from the orginal Hebrew into modern English but used previously translated versions from the 4th century (St. Jerome). Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell.

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:50 PM
I couldn't care less about what the countless Christians have to say about anything just the same as I couldn't care less about what the countless Freemasons have to say about anything.
That was directed to stompk not you.

KSigMason
11-14-2009, 09:55 PM
I couldn't care less about what the countless Christians have to say about anything just the same as I couldn't care less about what the countless Freemasons have to say about anything.
Then what is the point of debate if you are just here to rant?

KSigMason
11-15-2009, 08:34 PM
I was posting about the misinterpretations that have led to so many falsehoods against Freemasonry.

norwaypianoman
11-16-2009, 03:54 PM
I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.

stompk
11-16-2009, 06:59 PM
I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.

Glad your on board.

You wouldn't happen to be Chembreather from ATS would you?

KSigMason
11-18-2009, 11:50 AM
Moreover I find it funny that Lucifer, bringer of light, is tied in with Satan, the Prince of Darkness. Wouldn't light be associated with Heaven? All of this over a misinterpretation of the Hebrew language, well that and the lies of the Frenchman "Leo Taxil", who was kicked out of Freemasonry and in spite drummed up lies.

I believe that the Mason is a 100% religion. And just like you cannot have 2 network provider on one phone, you cannot have 2 religions at once.

I believe Masons are idol worshippers, and therefore - they "cease" to be christians.

So the Masons end up being an dishonest religion, because they are not honest about their belonging and their beliefs.
Freemasonry doesn't meet the requirements of religion. No theology. No plan of salvation. We don't advocate any particular faith or practice. We don't seek converts/members. We don't raise money for religious practices.

Freemasonry has no idols to worship. Each brother worships his own God in his own way. In fact, the York Rite branch of Freemasonry requires you to protect the Christian faith.

stompk
11-18-2009, 02:08 PM
Moreover I find it funny that Lucifer, bringer of light, is tied in with Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

Hmm, I wonder why Lucifer is tied with Satan. Could it be;

Isaiah 14
"12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"

Freemasonry doesn't meet the requirements of religion.

Really, is that why this guy who looks like he has one foot in the grave is called a

Grand High Priest?


Grand Chapter
State of New York
Royal Arch Masons
http://i46.tinypic.com/s4nccw.jpg
Grand High Priest 2009 - M .·. E .·. Alan C. Lewis

Grand Chapter State of New York Royal Arch Masons (http://www.ny-royal-arch.org/)

KSigMason
11-18-2009, 04:40 PM
Hmm, I wonder why Lucifer is tied with Satan. Could it be;
I will refer you to my previous post:


And for the billionth time someone has misquoted Albert Pike. Lucifer is referring to light, ie knowledge, enlightenment. And in fact, the Bible is not referring to Satan when they speak of Lucifer, but in fact they are speaking of a Babylonian king, Helal, son of Shahar (translated from Hebrew to mean: Day Star, Son of the Dawn). In the original Hebrew Lucifer is not used as it is a Latin name. The confusion of all this comes from mistranslation/interpretation. King Jame's scholars did not translate from the orginal Hebrew into modern English but used previously translated versions from the 4th century (St. Jerome). Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell.

Like I said, this misinterpretation and the lies of Leo Taxil led to todays craze of Masonic-Satanism conspiracy. Leo even confessed that he made everything up and did it to embarass the church and the Brothers that expelled him, but the damage was done and the lie spread like fire on a dry plain.

Really, is that why this guy who looks like he has one foot in the grave is called a Grand High Priest?
Because in the Royal Arch degree you re-enact the Jews return to Jerusalem and the rebuiding of King Solomons Temple. The High Priest was in charge of them and so we commemorate them by naming our head as High Priest. The High Priest actually does no priestly duties (he just presides over the Royal Arch ceremonies/meetings) as the Royal Arch has a Chaplain. Like I said before, the York Rite requires a Christian faith, but the Blue Lodge doesn't.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:22 AM
Why is it I get an email about a post BA did, but when I click on the link its not there?

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:30 AM
Because I deleted it.

Better luck next time, Quick draw McGraw.
Most forums I'm on shows when a post was deleted, I was just curious.

As for the quick draw comment, I still have email and your quote.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 08:19 AM
I didn't say anything was wrong, I originally thought something was wrong with my Internet browser. Each site is different, I didn't know, quit being so defensive.

Why would my attorney care? That would be a waste of time and my money. You are a overly defensive person.

Public Enemy Number One
11-20-2009, 10:27 AM
I believe the majority of people in masonry get involved for friendship and belonging to a fraternal organization.

But, I feel that the Mason's are a tool for the takeover by Baphomet.

First, one must be introduced to a belief that the God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, you and I, is not the truth.

They draw people away from God and towards Baphomet.

Why do you think there are no windows in Masonic Temples?

People like Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley have influenced the "craft" into a tool of the son of Satan, Baphomet.

Do I think they are sacrificing children?
I don't know for sure, but they seem to
concentrate on childrens hospitals in charities.

And much good can come out of them. But they are masking a much more sinister operation, IMO.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIZGYlT1PEU&rel
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/djr88iv1FmQ&rel
Notice how the big guy comes out to intimidate them. He get's turned around by their sincere and polite questioning.

You see, the Masons are the suckers on the tentacles of the Octopus.

Well, by definition anyone who denies the Diety of the Lord Jesus Christ is evil. So if the Masons indeed deny the unique Diety of Jesus Christ and do not acknowledhe Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, they ARE evil.
My information says that the Masons are used to recruit for Satanic covens. The ultimate test for evil is to see whether or not they will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. If they will not do so or if they do so with less then full conviction, then they are more then likely very evil, if not a straight up Satanist.
By the way, I know some will disagree with me. I have no problem with that, since I have a pretty good lock on who are the Satanists and evil doers here.
The perverts and sexual deviants are in an alliance with the Satanists, the liberals and such. The BIGGEST conspiracy is the evil, diabolical plans of the Liberals, feminists, Sodomites, the sexual deviants, the Onanists (self-abusers) and Socialists have for the rest of us normal Christian Americans. We must stop the tidal wave of filth these immoral reprobates and sinners have for you and I, the righteous, God fearing Christians of America.

KSigMason
11-20-2009, 12:41 PM
Well, by definition anyone who denies the Diety of the Lord Jesus Christ is evil. So if the Masons indeed deny the unique Diety of Jesus Christ and do not acknowledge Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, they ARE evil.
1) It is not for you to judge, it is up to the Everliving God to judge man.

2) Freemasons are left to worship in their own way, so many are Christian, but just as many are not. This is called religious tolerance. Even Jesus, the King of Kings, didn't rebuke non-believers but passed them and went to the next village.

My information says that the Masons are used to recruit for Satanic covens. The ultimate test for evil is to see whether or not they will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. If they will not do so or if they do so with less then full conviction, then they are more then likely very evil, if not a straight up Satanist.
Your information? What information is this? A Mason will tell everyone what his religious belief is, its not a secret nor are we ashamed of it.

The perverts and sexual deviants are in an alliance with the Satanists, the liberals and such. The BIGGEST conspiracy is the evil, diabolical plans of the Liberals, feminists, Sodomites, the sexual deviants, the Onanists (self-abusers) and Socialists have for the rest of us normal Christian Americans. We must stop the tidal wave of filth these immoral reprobates and sinners have for you and I, the righteous, God fearing Christians of America.
I'm sorry I had to laugh at this as I am a very staunch Constitutional conservative.

samsamsonsoy
11-20-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil. They are no longer for defense of a nation that stands for freedom but a corporate offensive force for economic expansion. So if you join the military and figure that out you need to quit or else you become evil along with the organization. Freemasonry is a sham just like any conspiratorial group. They have an agenda and disguise it with honest seeming surface behavior. People keep blaming the top ranking Super Deluxe masons and saying lower level masons are OK. With all the information available in regards to Masonic activity if lower level Masons aren't aware then they must be illiterate. :cool: For a reference please see my sites. Thanks for letting me rant.

New World Order Conspiracies - Home (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/)

Samsamsonsoy on Tumblr (http://samsamsonsoy.tumblr.com/)

stompk
11-21-2009, 09:16 AM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil. They are no longer for defense of a nation that stands for freedom but a corporate offensive force for economic expansion. So if you join the military and figure that out you need to quit or else you become evil along with the organization. Freemasonry is a sham just like any conspiratorial group. They have an agenda and disguise it with honest seeming surface behavior. People keep blaming the top ranking Super Deluxe masons and saying lower level masons are OK. With all the information available in regards to Masonic activity if lower level Masons aren't aware then they must be illiterate. :cool: For a reference please see my sites. Thanks for letting me rant.

New World Order Conspiracies - Home (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/)

Samsamsonsoy on Tumblr (http://samsamsonsoy.tumblr.com/)

Rant away. Yes, I believe the military is evil too. They are aligned with the Masons. I'm starting to believe that anyone in Masonry understands what it's all about from the first initiation.

Thanks for participating.

KSigMason
11-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Yes, the Masons are evil. That will depend of course on your definition of evil. The US military is evil.
Rant away. Yes, I believe the military is evil too. They are aligned with the Masons. I'm starting to believe that anyone in Masonry understands what it's all about from the first initiation.
1) I love how people slander the military when they are there to protect your freedom to bitch about them. Ungrateful.

2) I have noticed that (for the most part) those that bitch about philanthropic organizations and even the military are usually the ones who do the least to better their community. They are usually the leeches and complainers.

3) When you are first initiated, you are taught to be good and true, to practice charity, exercise your faith whatever it may be, and have hope of a glorious afterlife (in whatever form you believe it to be). To relieve those in suffering. To treat everyone as equal. To work hard in all your endeavors. I'm starting to understand the conspiracy theorists would have us in a world where charity and faith don't exist. Where selfishness reigns and everyone talks behind everyone's back. It even sounds like you don't respect privacy and that is fascist.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 10:50 AM
So here are the facts when it comes to this Biblical misinterpretation:

Most Biblical scholars based their translations off of St. Jerome.
The original Hebrew writings spoke of a Babylonian King, Helal, Son of Shahar, which means Day Star, Son of the Morning.
Lucifer is Latin for "light bringer".
In Roman Astrology Lucifer the was the star that preceded the rising Sun.
Scholars in ages after Jerome mistook this mistranslation and turned him from a disgraced king to the Ruler of Darkness, Satan.
No where else in the Bible is used the word "Lucifer".Furthermore, Revelations 22:16 also makes some strange claims:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Now, I'm not saying Jesus is the Lucifer of the Bible, but I find it ironic that conspiracy theorists and religious zealots apply Isaiah 14:12 to Freemasons, but overlook Revelations 22:16. Now scholars on the other hand point out that "bright", "shining", and so forth describe the appearance of the king who usually wore very elaborate clothing. In application to Jesus Christ (which is also a Latin version of his true name) he is the Son of God and through him will we arrive in Heaven, so he would be the bright and morning star.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 11:04 PM
I think you're the one who spends hour after hour on this thread defending Freemasonry.

So, who is the overly defensive person?
I was meaning that you are constantly on attack. I asked a simple question and your jumped on me thinking I was insulting the site. There's a difference between "defensive" and "defending".

I posted a comment and you clicked on the link you received via email and it wasn't there so you had to immediately inquire as to why.

Did you think it was a conspiracy against you?
Like I said, I thought something may be wrong with MY internet browser.

Well, if something was wrong with your browser, CC certainly couldn't help you with that.
But it could be an indicator that something was wrong so I thought I'd ask, but apparently asking questions is wrong.

KSigMason
11-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I didn't jump on you and I didn't think you were insulting the site.
If you didn't think I insulted the site why did you post this?

Oh, so sorry we don't adopt the standards of all the other forums that you are on.

Please forgive us.

We march to the beat of a different drummer.
Sounds pretty defensive to me.

Did an alarm ring in your house to alert you that there was a response to one of your comments at CC which sent you rushing to check your email, cause, man, you were all over it like you know what.
Actually an alarm did go off. I have my email accounts on my BlackBerry so every time I get an email it goes to my phone and alerts me when new messages arrive. It just depends on what I'm doing if I respond immediately or not.

samsamsonsoy
11-23-2009, 11:54 PM
Freemasonry: Closeted Mental Illness?

One of the most damning aspects of Freemasonry’s involvement in criminal activity is the significant effort by members to defend its activities against those who regard the group as a terror organization. Similar fraternal organizations such as Kiwanis are rarely, if ever, subject to the broad, widespread criticism Freemasonry attracts. :confused: (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
New World Order Conspiracies - News (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)

KSigMason
11-24-2009, 12:08 AM
Freemasonry: Closeted Mental Illness?

One of the most damning aspects of Freemasonry’s involvement in criminal activity is the significant effort by members to defend its activities against those who regard the group as a terror organization. Similar fraternal organizations such as Kiwanis are rarely, if ever, subject to the broad, widespread criticism Freemasonry attracts. :confused: (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
New World Order Conspiracies - News (http://newworldorderconspiracies.webs.com/apps/blog/)
Freemasonry Watch is a unreliable source. The author of that site makes everything up. I do find it funny that CTs will go so far as to make Freemasons look mentally deranged to attack them. When our lies won't stop them get them committed.

KSigMason
02-15-2010, 10:51 PM
Does anyone not get that Morals and Dogma has nothing to do with actual ritual of the Scottish Rite degrees? Its a supplement to them. His own personal thoughts.

Well this May I plan on joining the Scottish Rite, so first hand I'll experience this 'evil of Pike'.

KSigMason
02-15-2010, 11:23 PM
Maybe next you'll pull "evidence" for FreemasonryWatch.

stompk
05-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Maybe next you'll pull "evidence" for FreemasonryWatch.

Why is it, that someone who is anti Mason, is never credible, according to acting Freekmasons?

galexander
05-15-2010, 08:05 AM
WW3 - Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike (http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm)

Excerpt:

After Mazzini's death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run their subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

Sorry to butt in here BlueAngel but are you suggesting that Lenin was a Freemason?

I heard he was not and attempted to remove the Masons from Revolutionary Russia. Lenin described Freemasonry as a middle-class confidence trick.

I distrust any organisation (as everyone else should as well) that cannot openly state its aims and beliefs in public.

The best the Masons can ever say is.......oh its a charity.........or oh its a fraternity, brotherly love etc, etc.......

Well if that is all it is then why all the oaths of secrecy, the degrees and the ritual?

KSigMason
05-16-2010, 02:48 PM
Why is it, that someone who is anti Mason, is never credible, according to acting Freekmasons?
Well, the most obvious reason would be your name uncivil behavior (name calling), but another would be you are considered not credible as you pull from 2nd hand sources and usually post allegations that are based on lies or hoaxes.

galexander
05-18-2010, 11:51 AM
You should be sorry for butting in because I never said anything of the sort.

The article was about Lemmi and not LENIN!

Again BlueAngel you are showing evidence of being delusional.

This is what was quite clearly stated in your quote:

Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

I have nothing to feel sorry for BlueAngel.

superted
05-18-2010, 12:23 PM
She'll still think she's right though! Probably threaten to ban you too for pointing out she's wrong.

KSigMason
05-31-2010, 06:49 PM
She'll still think she's right though! Probably threaten to ban you too for pointing out she's wrong.
If this were true, I would have been banned long ago. As long as you are somewhat respectful and follow the forum rules you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

KSigMason
06-01-2010, 11:51 PM
Why do you refer to yourself as "The Master Mason?"

And, while we're at it.

Please tell us how it is you are able to provide yourself with this "title" under your username as you appear to be one of the few who are able to do so.

The rest of us are provided with the customary titles of member; junior member; senior member and home away from home by CC.
I don't know why I put it there, I guess I could change it to just "Master Mason". Just curious, but as a Moderator shouldn't you know how to add a custom title? For those who don't know though, click on User CP, then on Edit Profile and insert any Title you would like.

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:16 AM
User CP --> Edit Profile --> Custom User Title. Its not a failure on my part if someone can't follow directions.

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:25 AM
If you can point out where you see CUSTOM USER TITLE in the edit profile section of a user's CP, why, then your instructions will not have failed.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l70/IDARNG_Loki/CustomTitle.png

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 12:49 AM
I'll have to conference with management and find out why you have a special feature for a custom title in your user CP edit profile section and I don't.
That is rather strange. I know some forums have the custom title and some don't.

KSigMason
06-02-2010, 01:02 AM
It's only strange if the findings show that you, iHIMself, beentheredonethat and a few others have access to this feature and the rest of us don't.

What rule have I broken?

JBoy
11-07-2010, 10:30 AM
Child experiment quotes(Freemasonry)
Child experiments (http://www.whale.to/v/exp1.html)
Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine (http://www.whale.to/b/child_exp_q.html#Edmonston-Zagreb_measles_vaccine_)
[NVIC June 8, 2006] Deadly Antibiotic Experiment on Children (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/nvic_june_8_2006.html)
In order to try to cure ear infections in babies, which often develop after vaccination, one vaccine manufacturer is testing a deadly antibiotic on babies with the blessing of a gutless FDA. The cowboy mentality that now prevails at the FDA and CDC, the federal health agencies responsible for the public health, is allowing drug companies to literally get away with murder as they ruthlessly test dangerous pharmaceuticals on babies and children.
The FDA is supposed to be policing the pharmaceutical industry, not acting as its treasurer and public relations agency. Any individual in government or industry, who participates in the killing or crippling of children and adults in clinical trials of drugs and vaccines known to cause harm, should be held accountable in a court of law. The same should hold true for individuals in government, industry or medical organizations who participate in the making of national health policies involving mandatory use by citizens of drugs and vaccines which can injure and kill.
Voluntary, informed consent to medical interventions which can injure and kill is a human right. How many of the parents, who allowed their babies to participate in a trial using an antibiotic which had already killed adults, had been fully informed about how deadly it was?
"To determine the effect of different amounts of the vaccines, researchers at the hospital inoculated newborns from mostly lower-income black families with doses ranging up to more than 100 times the dose recommended for adults."--Media (http://www.whale.to/m/sv403.html)
"At a conference in Christchurch, New Zealand, Dr. William Jordon, director of Infectious Diseases, stated, that virtually all field trials of new vaccines in the United States are done amongst indigenous tribes in Alaska and various other parts of the country."---Harry V. Martin freeamerica.com: The Leading America Site on the Net (http://www.freeamerica.com/GovernmentCtrl/govctrl8.html)
Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis during the 1950s and 1960s
Krugman S (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4827643&dopt=Abstract), Hoofnagle MD, Gerety RJ, Kaplan PM and Gerin JL. Viral hepatitis type B: DNA polymerase activity and antibody to hepatitis B core antigen. New England Journal of Medicine 1974; 290;24:1331-1335. NYU Medical Center, NY 10016.PMID: 4827643; UI: 74161717
"Under US army contracts, Saul Krugman from the New York University Medical Centre (another Army biological weapons contractor according to US Congressional Record) injected hundreds of mentally retarded children with cancer causing hepatitis B viruses."--Len Horowitz (p219 Healing Codes).
Willowbrook State School-Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis during the 1950s and 1960s on the severely mentally retarded . He systematically infected newly arrived children between the ages of three and eleven with strains of the virus obtained from the feces of Willowbrook hepatitis patients. This was done to study the natural history, effects, and progression of the disease. Franz Inglefinger, who later became the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine said, "By being allowed to participate in a carefully supervised study and by receiving the most expert attention available for a disease of basically unknown nature, the patients themselves benefited . . . How much better to have a patient with hepatitis accidentally or deliberately acquired under the guidance of a Krugman, than under the care of a rights-minded zealot." --Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
D.C. Children’s Center in Laurel in a section called the District Training School 60’s-Retarded children were used as human guinea pigs for both private industry and the government. Among the experiments, was the testing of NeoBazine a diet pill commonly referred to as "rainbow pills." They contained thyroxin, which caused tremors, nervousness, insomnia, and tachycardia. It was being tested for its safety and efficiency. In October 1964 the FDA found that the drug was not safe for use. In 1962 the children were again used to test a drug for skin diseases, which doctors strongly suspected caused serious side effects to the human liver. More than half the children tested suffered some liver dysfunction. Eight were admitted to D.C. General Hospital for intensive care. That same year, 17 Laurel Center children were used to study thyroid hormone metabolism in children. The children were injected with thyroxin mixed with radioactive iodine to aid doctors in tracing a body process. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
Vanderbilt University Hospital - 1945-49 at Prenatal Clinic At Vanderbilt-829 women were told to drink something that would be good for their fetuses. The drinks actually contained varying amounts of radioactive iron. Within an hour, the material crossed the placenta and began circulating in the blood of their unborn fetuses.“ In a study done in the sixties, scientists discovered four fatal malignancies among the children exposed to prenatal radiation and no cancers in the non-exposed group. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html)
Nasal Radium Irradiation - 1948-54 582 third graders in the Baltimore public schools were part of a 1948-1954 experiment conducted by Johns Hopkins to test the effects of Nasal Radium Irradiation. No medical notice or follow-up action was taken by the federal government, despite an earlier determination that these children had the greatest cancer mortality risk of any experiment it examined for which people were still alive and might benefit from medical notice and follow-up. Carol Rutz's Lecture at Indiana University in November 2003 (http://www.whale.to/b/rutz7.html) Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine
"Using kids as guinea pigs in potentially harmful vaccine experiments is every parents' worst nightmare. This actually happened in 1989-1991 when Kaiser Permanente of Southern California and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) jointly conducted a measles vaccine experiment. Without proper parental disclosure, the Yugoslavian-made "high titre" Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine was tested on 1,500 poor, primarily black and Latino, inner city children in Los Angeles. Highly recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), the high-potency experimental vaccine was previously injected into infants in Mexico, Haiti, and Africa. It was discontinued in these countries when it was discovered that the children were dying in large numbers."--Dr Alan Cantwell MD (http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell.html)
CDC Genocidal Measles Vaccine Experiments on Minority Children Turn Deadly
In an experiment to find out of they could give high-potency Edmonston Zagreb (EZ) measles vaccine to babies as young as four months old [completing disregarding developmental neurology and lack of myelinization in the nervous system of babies] in order to overwhelm their natural maternal antibodies and replace them with vaccine-induced antibodies, medical "researchers" at the CDC and Johns Hopkins University injected thousands of babies in the Third World with the experimental vaccine that reportedly caused chronic immune suppression and the deaths of an unknown number of babies. Also, in the United States, with the help of Kaiser Permanente, more than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in inner city Los Angeles were "enrolled" in the experiment starting in June 1990. [ During the administration of president and ex-CIA director George Bush.] The study was halted in October 1991, after more than one year of genocidal activity, after repeated reports from vaccine trial sites in Africa that girl babies were dying in higher than expected numbers six months to three years after injection. [ A less-than-admirable population control effort.]
http://www.cco.net/~trufax/vaccine/0696.html (http://www.cco.net/%7Etrufax/vaccine/0696.html)
"From 1989 to 1991, Kaiser Permanent along with the L.A. County Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), injected over 700 "mostly minority" babies with unlicensed experimental vaccines with fraudulently-obtained consent from the parents. One of the vaccines used, Edmonston-Zagreb high-titer, had already obtained a notorious reputation overseas for killing almost one out of every 13 babies in closely controlled studies in the Third World. In particular, use of the vaccine had been closely associated with an increased death rate among infants in Senegal, Guinea Bissau and Haiti before their second birthday. At least one baby in the L.A. County experiment died within this same two year window. When the final story is told, this will likely be one of the most scandalous affairs in the history of human experimentation to rival or exceed that of the German Nazis, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or the DOE radiation exposure experiments."---Keidi Obi Awadu (http://www.whale.to/v/awadu.html) (Outrage, The Conscious Rasta Report, Aug 1996) 7MAC Index Page (http://www.7mac.com/)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 11:00 AM
African disease statistics quotes
Freemason Treachery



[African statistics are used to promote vaccine or drug selling in the West, and to push the drug genocide in the third world. They just make up the statistics to suit. The 'AIDS' stats are classic, see AIDS in Africa quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html). They know vaccination is useless and that malnutrition, lack of clean water and other diseases such as malaria are the real problem, so it is pretty obvious what the real agenda is as Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html) points out nicely.]
See: AIDS in Africa quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html) Genocide & vaccination quotes (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html) ARV genocide quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/arv_genocide.html)
[2008] Lancet: Dozens of nations inflated vaccine numbers (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/lancet0.html)
Is it not, therefore, rather strange, Mr. President, that vaccination should be reported as so utterly harmless in the distant Philippines, where we can not easily get at the records, when we know it is so deadly in the nearby England and America, where the accessible records show that it causes, frequently, more deaths than smallpox, as I have already proved? For example: the great English Commission on Vaccination found that deaths from vaccination were sometimes as high as seventy deaths per million vaccinated. This is twice as high as the mortality from smallpox in the United States, which for five years, from 1901 to 1905, including our last great epidemic period of 1901 and 1902, averaged only thirty-four deaths per million population! [1920 USA] HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED AND ILLUSTRATED BY CHAS. M. HIGGINS (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/higgins_b.html)
For the president of South Africa, Mbeki, the discrepancy between what European and US newspapers write about his country (drastic population reduction) and what´s actually happening in his country (doubling of the population within the past 30 years), was striking, hence he refused to follow the general (American) AIDS-politics and instead, called the meeting of experts who had the task to examine whether or not HIV was actually the cause of AIDS. BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein (http://www.whale.to/a/kohnlein3.html)
Stats
The reality of the years between 1952 to 1970, and afterwards, prove that Dr Flegg’s mathematical equations are about as relevant as saying that the measles death rate in Africa, is comparable to the Measles death rate in UK.
In reply to Peter Flegg’s expansion of my question to him: no, it did not occur to me that Peter Flegg would decide to include the third world when the BMJ was discussing a topic based in UK.
But since Peter Flegg wishes to compare apples with army jeeps, let's discuss his concept of that as well. Flegg states that, "in 1999 there were estimated to be 873 thousand deaths from measles, reducing to 530 thousand in 2003."
Last year, WHO (2) stated that measles mortality in Africa had slashed the death rate from measles by 91% since 2000. This 91% is an artifact figure, because before 2000, measles in Africa was "estimated", while after 2000, notifications were only accepted after being laboratory proven. In 2000, WHO implemented a system of laboratories (3) specifically to diagnose measles, and provide the laboratory confirmed cases which are now the basis of WHO data.
Look at pages 2, and 14. On page 14, 14,185 cases were reported in 2006, but after blood testing, 9,764 were "discarded". That's an immediate 69% drop in cases, because they are no longer relying on doctor's eyes.
On page 2, of 14,185 cases, 3,257 were accepted, leaving a balance of 10,928 discarded measles cases which equals 77% which were NOT measles after being blood tested, but which would have been accepted on the pre- 2000 measles notification system. Comparing data from laboratory-confirmed blood tests after 2000, with pre-2000 guessing, and then claiming a 91% decline, is not a valid scientific comparison.
Which raises an obvious issue. Peter Flegg says that clinicians caring for measles cases " would have had no doubt. Acute measles is a relatively easy clinical and laboratory diagnosis." Did (and can) UK doctors do any better than those who guessed measles in Africa before 2000, or even New Zealand for that matter? That depends on who you listen to. ----Hilary Butler [Letters BMJ (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html) Becoming Ben Oct 2008] (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html)
In countries like UK the decades of pre-vaccine death decline is obviously due to factors unconnected with the use of any vaccine. For the same reason, the WHO media release claiming that the measles vaccine has reduced the measles death rates in Africa by 91% between 2000 – 2007, defies logic, analysis and reason for anyone who knows the facts. I note that Peter Flegg has stopped short of repeating that spectacular assertion. Perhaps it's because even he can see the ludicrousness of such a claim.
If that is the case, the Peter Flegg fails to mention that comparative data in the UK, uses the same "mistake". Total numbers without any laboratory confirmation before 1994, cannot be validly compared with laboratory-confirmed cases only. To do so is not legitimate "science". ----Hilary Butler (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler3.html) [Letters BMJ (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html) Becoming Ben Oct 2008] (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flegg.html)
"The WHO estimates that there are 200,000 cases of yellow fever (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/yellow1.html) per year worldwide--despite official WHO statistics through 2004 showing an average of less than 1,000 cases per year for the past 35 years. About 90% of cases occur in rural sub-Sahara Africa near the equator. the remaining cases occur in South America....Nigeria, the country with the greatest number of recorded cases since 1950, had just 49 cases from 1995 through 2004, with 11 deaths. Ghana had 13 during the same 10 year period. Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller. (p.447) (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/miller_b1.html)
According to government, measles was a threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five second and for which governments is happy to ignore. Update: Letter from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. (http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm)
"They are running a monopoly and they will lie, cheat and steal to keep it that way....... I think that no person would permit anybody to get close to them with an inoculation if they would really know how they are made, what they carry, what has been lied to them about and what the real percent of danger is of contracting such a disease, which is minimal......And according to those figures as compared to those from the Encyclopaedia Britannica for that same year they had inoculated (in Africa) according to their statement, twenty million people more that the total population, every man woman and child of the countries in question. Now if you can lie so crassly and have enough people to back you up about lying about how many you inoculate the question may arise of have you inoculated any at all? Did you use the same …..what did you do? We don’t know anything they are saying be cause they are lying from the moment go. So you know you really have very little frame of reference excepting that there’s something very fishy in the whole process."---Dr Eva Snead (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead.htm)
Real problems in Africa ignored
They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense. What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur. In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition, better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among "vaccinologists" is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D. (http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html)
Malnutrition is to blame for more than half of all the deaths of children around the world -- including deaths caused by diarrhea, pneumonia, malaria and measles, researchers said on Thursday. Poor nourishment leaves children underweight and weakened and vulnerable to infections that do not have to be fatal, the team at the World Health Organization and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore found. They estimated that feeding all children worldwide an adequate diet would prevent about 1 million deaths a year from pneumonia, 800,000 from diarrhea, 500,000 from malaria, and 250,000 from measles...... They estimate that 52.5 percent of all deaths in young children were attributable to undernourishment, with nearly 45 percent of measles deaths and more than 60 percent of deaths from diarrhea associated with low weight and poor nutrition. [Media, Jun 17] Better Nutrition Could Save Millions of Kids-Study (http://www.whale.to/a/nutr1.html)
http://www.whale.to/a/image/donaldson.jpg (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html)In Africa polio does not kill anybody and they say it's very rare to catch. It's really very rare to get paralytic polio. They say it's in very rare circumstances, so what is it that is killing people in Africa ? Malaria. Every five seconds a child is dying of malaria in Africa. Now to get the dose of life-saving anti-malaria is about $5 but there is no government to give anti-malaria. When somebody gets malaria, if they have no money they even die. So the question I was asking and many people were asking was 'If you really want to help children, why begin with a disease that they don't have ? (applause) Why not look for something that is killing them and save them from what is killing them ?' And then (inaudible) ............. 'you know what, I like you very much. I save your children from this killer disease. Now there are no other diseases apart from this rare polio, so let's go and fight that as well.' But you don't begin with the rarest disease and spend all the government's meagre resources fighting polio, which is not a threat to most people, and then ignore something that is killing them in large numbers like malaria, like AIDS, like cholera, issues to do with sanitation, stunted growth - all the main things that matter to people the government was not fighting. Ugandan Kids Die By 1,000s ---A Transcript of a talk given by Kihura Nkuba (Nov 2002) (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.htm) [emphasis added]
"The forcing of them to take a vaccine against a disease they know to be harmless and which they know how to cure in its harmful state was seen as government hell bent on killing its own population for the benefit of commanding whiteworld.....Uganda spent nine million of its meager resources marketing this European product (the money spent would have build 120,000 protected water springs giving 30% of the country access to clean water, it would have built ten ultra modern research centers looking at, for example, pests that are threatening the banana crop, but government chose European impose priorities." "--Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm) 2003
Gates' gimmick of becoming a philantropist repeats the Rockefeller scam (http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/pharma_laws_history.html#rockefeller) almost one to one a century later.
But that is not enough. Gates serves as the financier of a whole shipload of ARV missionaries, including ex-U.S. President Clinton who promotes the deadly business with ARV drugs in Africa and other developing nations.
One may ask: don't they know the facts that toxic ARVs damage the immune system and actually accelerate immune deficiencies? Of course they do! So what is the motive for their action? It is strikingly simple:
If the governments of the developing worlds realize that the ARV genocide is the dirtiest way yet to replace the old colonial dependencies between the rich and poor nations of this planet, they will terminate this business. They will, like South Africa, choose a health care system independent of the sickening and economically devastating dependency from the pharmaceutical colonialism.
The equation is simple: the end of the AIDS business with disease will destroy the entire credibility of the pharmaceutical industry and will terminate the drug investment business worldwide. The collapse of this mulit-billion dollar investment business, in turn, will lead to a major crisis of the whole investment industry. In other words, the "Mother Theresa" PR-stunt of Bill Gates is a desperate, self-serving activity trying to stop this meltdown. If Gates is not successful, and the AIDS genocide by the drug cartel is ended, then the whole paper-wealth of Billy Gates is worthless.
Got it?
Considering the genocidal consequences of the activities of these organizations, especially in promotion of the ARVs, this entire program "Alliance for a Green Revolution" is nothing else than a fig leaf and another PR-stunt. The "marriage" between Gates and Rockefeller, 10 days after we exposed their business interests in Africa, is a confirmation for the accuracy of our exposure.---Dark cloud over good works of Gates Foundation (http://www.whale.to/a/gates1.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 11:21 AM
"My book instead proved that HIV – wherever it came from – was a harmless retrovirus that was being used as a cover story to explain/conceal an emerging depopulation operation in the Third World. HIV was also a cover for other agendas outside the Third World. As long as AIDS is the target of WHO/UN "humanitarian" efforts, the actual causes – which are easily reversible – of death in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are allowed to remain and fester and expand." Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport (http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html)
See: Infection & nutrition (http://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html), Sanitation (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sanitation.html) Keith Harmon Snow (http://www.whale.to/b/snow_h.html)
See: Genocide in Africa via Oral Polio Vaccine (http://www.whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html) Genocide & vaccination (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html) WHO (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/who.html)http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos_13.jpg (http://www.whale.to/v/kalokerinos.html)
AIDS articles (http://www.whale.to/a/africa_aids_a.html)
WHO guidelines for diagnosing AIDS in Africa (http://www.whale.to/a/who_guidelines.html)
Gifting stories from Africa (http://www.whale.to/b/gifting_africa.html)
Letter by Hilary Butler to Johann Hari, re: This deadly resistance to vaccination (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler4.html)
[2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary Butler (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html)
Quotes
African disease statistics (http://www.whale.to/a/african_d_stats_q.html)
AIDS (http://www.whale.to/a/aids_africa_q.html)http://www.whale.to/a/hilary_b6.jpg (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html)
Africa: drugs, malnutrion, clean water, sanitation quotes (http://www.whale.to/v/africa_q.html)
Genocide & vaccination (http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html)
ARV genocide (http://www.whale.to/a/arv_genocide.html)
Measles in Africa (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/africa_m.html)
Covert genocide
[HIV/AIDS] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport (http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html)
Vaccination (http://www.whale.to/v/biowarfare.html)
People
Anthony Brink (http://www.whale.to/a/brink_h.html) (AIDS, AZT)http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_b12.jpg (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.htm)
Kihura Nkuba (http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html) (Polio vaccine)
Awadu, Keidi Obi (http://www.whale.to/v/awadu.html)
Vaccination [See: Non UK & USA countries vaccination. (http://www.whale.to/a/non_uk.html)]
Africa media stories (http://www.whale.to/a/africa_media.html)
Zimbabwe (http://www.whale.to/a/zimbabwe.html)
Nigeria (http://www.whale.to/a/nigeria1.html)
Uganda (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/uganda_h.html)
allAfrica.com: Home (http://allafrica.com/)
All Things Pass - Investigations Journalism and Photography of Keith Harmon Snow (http://www.allthingspass.com/)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 12:01 PM
The Fallacy of Authority (Lying with the truth)
Medical control ploys (http://www.whale.to/m/map.html) Lying with the Truth (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html)
"A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent."---- William Blake (http://www.whale.to/a/blake_q.html)
"A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth." -- Albert Einstein, letter to a friend, 1901
"They must find it difficult...those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."---Gerald Massey
"(the) primary tool in reinforcing authoritarianism (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarians_h.html) is preaching fear (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy6.html).” -----John Dean (http://www.whale.to/b/dean_b.html)
[Authority is for people who can't or don't want to think (http://www.whale.to/a/thinking_q.html), these, called A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html)uthoritarian followers (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html) by Bob Altemeyer (http://www.whale.to/b/altemeyer_h.html) are easily duped and led by the amoral A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)uthoritarian leaders (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html), and authority is the other side of fear, as fear reinforces authoritarianism. These amoral leaders create pseudo-authorities or false Gods such as The Church of Allopathy (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/god.html). This false idol is wheeled out to defend Corporate poisons such as Vaccination. This is called Authority ploy or Lying with the truth (http://www.whale.to/a/lying.html). Fascist states want no thinking (http://www.whale.to/a/thinking_q.html), and obedience to Corporate authority. Authority ploy is used all the time and never fails, from the lone "expert (http://www.whale.to/a/experts.html)" (pharma shill) wheeled on to shoot down non-corporate patentable alternative medicine and their supporters like Prince Charles (http://www.whale.to/b/charles.html), to the big multiple cannon when needed:
"I should say that the recommendations on measles mumps and rubella that the Government are following are supported by the World Health Organisation, the British Medical Association, the Royal College of General Practitioners, the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, the Royal College of Nursing, and the Community Practitioners’ and Health Visitors’ Association."--Tony Blair, Dec 18 2001
The idea that one of the above groups would speak out against vaccination is as likely as the cow jumping over the moon--backwards. They all sing from the same hymn sheet (and is as silly as all the car and road makers getting together and saying it would be a good idea to cut back on the railways and build more roads). You don't get to head up these outfits unless you are one of them, and no one is going to kill their career (and emigrate to Australia) by singing another song. Notice here how authority ploy has fooled this (Ignorance Is Strength) 'journo': "the list of organisations backing MMR is impressive - all the royal colleges, the Department of Health and the vast majority of doctors and nurses." [Media Feb 2006]. (http://www.whale.to/v/mmr190.html) Works well doesn't it?]
See: Appeal to the majority (http://www.whale.to/a/appeal_to_the_majority.html), Experts (http://www.whale.to/a/experts.html) A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html)uthoritarian followers (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html) A (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)uthoritarian leaders (http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_leaders.html)
Elliman Letter (http://www.whale.to/vaccines/elliman_letter.html)
Quotes (http://www.whale.to/a/authority_q.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 12:26 PM
Cocaine quotes
Cocaine (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_h.html)
Pharma drugs (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Pharma_drugs_)
General (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#General_)
One Illuminati side benefit of illegal drugs is the massive increase in crime to feed habits (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#One_Illuminati_side_benefit_of_ille gal_drugs_is_the_massive_increase_in_crime_to_feed _habits_)
Fake war on drugs (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Fake%20war%20on%20drugs:)
Drugs used as weapon (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Drugs%20used%20as%20weapon:)Money laundered through Wall Street (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Money%20laundered%20through%20Wall% 20Street)
Media (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#Media)
THE CIA are the FREEMASONS

[Cocaine drug pushers] Pastor Sidney explained how it was that he could see demons: "People who are possessed tend to look at a fixed point and have a coldness around them--their eyes don't blink. The persons themselves are absent." It's like the Middle Ages… there's no purpose other than living another day (http://www.whale.to/b/middle.html) Sunday 29 November 2009
So, I sat down with Ted Kennedy (http://www.whale.to/b/kennedy_ted_h.html), and Ted was right next to me. And he said, "George, you're going to love this job. We're going to send you out to all the state Democratic functions. You're really good with money, and you raise money for the National Democratic Party.” And he said, "Then you're going to meet some real foxy ladies."
Well, they all think that way, frankly. It isn't just Ted, they all do. So I... and just coincidentally, my daughter walks in. Now, my daughter is a very attractive young lady.
Ted goes, "Wow, I have to go to bed with that."
And I said, "No, Ted. That's my daughter, and she's fourteen."
His response back to me: "I don't care."
That's when everything kind of stopped to me. I mean, I go, wait a minute. I gave him the guidelines. I mean, I know how he thought. But when he said he didn't care what I thought about it, then I just said, that's enough.
I got up, didn't say another word to Ted. I walked across the room. I'm talking to Pierre Trudeau and his wife. Pierre at that time was the Prime Minister of Canada. And I'm talking to him just to get my head leveled.
I mean I just looked at that character over there across the room - and I'll share with some of the other people who were there. I’m looking in front of Pierre and there was a little half cigar box full of white powder.
I grabbed the housekeeper, and I went into the back room, and I'm looking at the dresser, and on top of this dresser was this... is all these glass tubes. Now I went to the Colorado School of Mines. I majored in geophysics, and chemistry was just kind of a fun game, right? And I never looked at them. I couldn't believe what they were doing. I said, "What is this thing?” And they said, "It’s freebasing equipment." They're just using all this stuff. George Green: Interview transcript (http://projectcamelot.org/george_green_interview_transcript_1.html)
The Gary Webb murder. Impossible to commit suicide by shooting yourself TWICE in the head. The second shot was just to make sure everyone knew this was a state sanctioned hit, and to leave it alone. Which everyone did. Old news, I know, but what the hey...http://judicial-inc.biz/Gary_webb.htm CBSWORK (http://www.whale.to/b/cbswork.html)
Looking at the accumulated evidence that the Contras and the CIA engaged in cocaine smuggling to fund the covert war in Nicaragua, suspicion arises concerning the apparent coincidence that CIA-Contra drug smuggling was contemporaneous with the "war on drugs". From a CIA covert action in Latin America the cocaine has made its way NORTH (ala Oliver North) to the American consumer, who is consistently portrayed as African-American by the mass media, even though the majority of cocaine consumption is by whites. The disturbing prospect arises that this "war on drugs" was nothing more than CIA-style psychological warfare which sought to acquire as much as possible of the sum total of our civil liberties while particularly targeting minorities. The Duplicity of the War on Drugs (http://www.whale.to/b/drug23.html)
Pharma drugsLet's talk about bipolar disorder among kids. As one doctor said, that used to be so rare as to be almost nonexistent. Now we're seeing it all over. Bipolar is exploding among kids. Well, partly you could say that we're just slapping that label on kids more often; but in fact, there is something real going on. Here's what's happening. You take kids and put them on an antidepressant -- which we never used to do -- or you put them on a stimulant like Ritalin. Stimulants can cause mania; stimulants can cause psychosis.
.....so the kid ends up with a drug-induced manic or psychotic episode. Once they have that, the doctor at the emergency room doesn't say, "Oh, he's suffering from a drug-induced episode." He says he's bipolar
they give him an antipsychotic drug; and now he's on a cocktail of drugs, and he's on a path to becoming disabled for life. That's an example of how we're absolutely making kids sick.
Ritalin is methylphenidate. Now methylphenidate affects the brain in exactly the same way as cocaine. They both block a molecule that is involved in the reuptake of dopamine.
So methylphenidate is very similar to cocaine. Now, one difference is whether you're snorting it or if it's in a pill. That partly changes how quickly it's metabolized. But still, it basically affects the brain in the same way. Now, methylphenidate was used in research studies to deliberately stir psychosis in schizophrenics. Because they knew that you could take a person with a tendency towards psychosis, give them methylphenidate, and cause psychosis. We also knew that amphetamines, like methylphenidate, could cause psychosis in people who had never been psychotic before.
So think about this. We're giving a drug to kids that is known to have the possibility of stirring psychosis. Now, the odd thing about methylphenidate and amphetamines is that, in kids, they sort of have a counterintuitive effect. What does speed do in adults? It makes them more jittery and hyperactive. For whatever reasons, in kids amphetamines will actually still their movements; it will actually keep them in their chairs and make them more focused. So you've got kids in boring schools. The boys are not paying attention and they're diagnosed with ADHD and put on a drug that is known to stir psychosis. The next thing you know, a fair number of them are not doing well by the time they're 15, 16, 17. Some of those kids talk about how when you're on these drugs for the long term, you start feeling like a zombie; you don't feel like yourself.
Millions of kids! Think about what we're doing. We're robbing kids of their right to be kids, their right to grow, their right to experience their full range of emotions, and their right to experience the world in its full hue of colors. That's what growing up is, that's what being alive is! And we're robbing kids of their right to be. It's so criminal. And we're talking about millions of kids who have been affected this way. There are some colleges where something like 40 to 50 percent of the kids arrive with a psychiatric prescription. Psychiatric Drugs: An Assault on the Human Condition Street Spirit Interview with Robert Whitaker (http://www.whale.to/drugs/whitaker.html)
General For the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of LA and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerilla army run by the CIA. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America. It is one of the most bizarre alliances in modern history—the union of a US-backed army attempting to overthrow a socialist government and the Uzi-toting “gangstas” of Los Angeles. P. 297 Gary Webb. Mass Media Cover-up Leading Journalists Expose Major Cover-ups by Media Corporations (http://www.wanttoknow.info/massmediacover-ups)
We could not avoid witnessing the CIA protecting major drug dealers. Not a single important source in Southeast Asia was ever indicted by US law enforcement. This was no accident. Case after case was killed by CIA and State Department intervention and there wasn’t a damned thing we could do about it. CIA-owned airlines like Air America were being used to ferry drugs throughout Southeast Asia, allegedly to support our “allies.” CIA banking operations were used to launder drug money. P. 265
In 1972, I was assigned to assist in a major international drug case involving top Panamanian government officials who were using diplomatic passports to smuggle large quantities of heroin and other drugs into the US. The name Manuel Noriega surfaced prominently in the investigation. Surfacing right behind Noriega was the CIA to protect him from US law enforcement. As head of the CIA, Bush authorized a salary for Manuel Noriega as a CIA asset, while the dictator was listed in as many as 40 DEA computer files as a drug dealer. P. 266
The CIA and the Department of State were protecting more and more politically powerful drug traffickers around the world: the Mujihadeen in Afghanistan, the Bolivian cocaine cartels, the top levels of Mexican government, Nicaraguan Contras, Colombian drug dealers and politicians, and others. Media’s duties, as I experienced firsthand, were twofold: first, to keep quiet about the gush of drugs that was allowed to flow unimpeded into the US; second, to divert the public’s attention by shilling them into believing the drug war was legitimate by falsely presenting the few trickles we were permitted to indict as though they were major “victories,” when in fact we were doing nothing more than getting rid of the inefficient competitors of CIA assets. P. 266 ---Michael Levine Mass Media Cover-up Leading Journalists Expose Major Cover-ups by Media Corporations (http://www.wanttoknow.info/massmediacover-ups)
They were producing, out of each camp, about - and there were five of them that were producing cocaine - about 500 kilos a week. It wasn't a large operation, but it was large enough that the paste that was sent to them from Ramon Novarro's contacts in the Medellin cartel wasn't supplying paste fast enough, so they were actually flying bales of leaves up from Peru. Transcript of 12 hours of radio interview of Chip Tatum on Intelligence Report. Ted Gundersson interviewe 1999. (http://www.whale.to/b/chip.html)
From what I witnessed, illicit drugs and gun running backed much of the American economy....A group of American officials were selling munitions to a nation we were at war with....What looked like the defence of our nation or training of our troops was really drug transportation...the Presidents were usually well aware of this business.....Everyone in the government that held any position of power was well aware of these drug transactions and their importance to our country's economy. Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's mind control slave by Brice Taylor (http://www.whale.to/a/taylor.html) p243
The British elite got involved in shipping opium. The elite families got monopolies on the opium trade. The British empire’s military might and political clout was used to force China to allow the opium trade. Before the communists took over China, the British Illuminati families hid their opium trade behind the cover of the British American Tobacco Co. Later the Red Chinese would hide their opium trading behind the same front tobacco, with their state-run People’s Republic of China Tobacco Bureau. In fact, the Red Chinese opium trade was controlled by another Illuminatus, the P.R. President Li Xiannian. Li Xiannian is from the occult U family who are proud that they are the leading oriental Satanic family. President Li, a drug lord was finance minister of Red China from ’57-’75. He sold so much opium to the west that he was able to help Red China pay off her debts, and he was nicknamed ‘the money god.’ ..RJ. Reynolds was a partner with British American Tobacco Co. and was also involved in trading in opium for many years. R.J. Reynolds was also involved with the rigidly controlled tobacco industry. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 9. Reynolds (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/reynolds.html)
"Drugs have been a big help to the Illuminati's secret government. Society can be controlled by the control of drugs. This industry brings in unimaginable amounts of money which is accountable to no one. By making drugs plentiful at little or no price many people can be addicted and reduced to a form of euphemistic slavery under the complete control of the suppliers. An addict will do literally anything for a "fix".....
By making drugs hard to get and jacking up the price the controllers can create massive crime waves at anytime and at any place whenever they wish. These waves of crime frighten innocent law abiding People into agreeing to give up Rights and Freedoms in order to, "get the crime and drugs off the streets". Recent polls have claimed that a majority of the American People are willing to, "give up some of their Rights and Freedom in order to get the crime and drugs off the streets". After passing draconian legislation removing Rights and Freedoms the drugs are once again made plentiful and prices are lowered. And, what do you know... the crime disappears making the new laws look like they are actually working. This technique has been extensively used in the socialists war against the Second Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America."--Bill Cooper (http://www.whale.to/b/cooper.html)As example of how ingenious these plans are to create a One-World-Government consider the following part of it. The Drug War is not what it seems. It is a very ingenious scheme to enslave the American people, and destroy all their civil rights. The first rumblings of the Drug War part of The Plan seem to stir from the occult, so it is highly possible the Drug War originally was first developed by Satanists, perhaps even given during one of the Feasts of the Beast. The Drug War seems like the perfect plan, with no way for the Power to lose. First, the Power creates a drug culture in America. The Drug Culture would and did give many their first step into the Aquarian (New Age) conspiracy.6 (http://www.whale.to/a/cocaine_q.html#6.)
The Power would make billions of dollars by running drugs, to further finance other nefarious schemes, and could use their world-wide power to crush all their competitors. When the Power crushed and arrested their competitors in drug running, they would be hailed as hero's by the majority of people (and they have).
The introduction of drugs into society does several things. It taxes the Christian church’s ability to oppose immorality. It gets the public indignant about drugs, and the public’s moral outcry allows the Power to pass "drug" laws that remove the last vestiges of legal civil rights. In fact, the beguiled public demands the laws which abolish their rights, and applauds these laws in ignorance unknowing what the laws actually say and mean.
If the public somehow gets a complete picture that their government has been smuggling drugs to create a drug war in spite of the controlled media, or perhaps through the media at the right time, then they can create a scandal involving several U. S. Presidents to eliminate the U.S. government and switch the public’s allegiance to a world government. (See chapter 3.9 for more details and a chronology of the secretly planned escalation of today’s designed Drug War.) As an ex-Mason, who is very aware of their plans, said to this author, "These people are in it for the long-term." Bloodlines of the Illuminati 12. Russell (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/russell.html)
During the Simpson trial, Judge Ito gave Joe McGinniss the best front-row seat that a journalist could have. Joe McGinniss was the coverup author who wrote a book covering up about the McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case. The McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case involved the Illuminati drug smuggling operation within the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. Deeper Insights 5: SCIENCE NO. 5 - THE SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/spr5.html)
About 1925-26, his son Aristotle Onassis, who was from Smyrna, Turkey began secretly importing opium into Argentina from Turkey, under the cover and disguise of importing tobacco. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 8. Onassis (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/onassis.html)
The Illuminati of Europe via the Br. East India Co. wrested control from the Great Moguls of the Opium trade during the 18th and 19th century. People connected the Br. East India Co. were responsible for the creation of the Fabian Society. The Illuminati, already headquartered in London in the 19th century, allowed John Jacob Astor (see Jan. 1, ‘93 newsletter about the Astor family) beginning around 1815 to operate an opium smuggling operation. Besides Astor’s ships picking up quicksilver and lend at Gibraltar, and iron/steel from northern Europe, his ships picked up opium at Smyrna, Turkey. The opium was then sold in China. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 8. Onassis (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/onassis.html)
The Triads have operated in the United States for over 100 years, and are major drug handlers working in cooperation with the Illuminati Kings, and most Americans do not even know they exist. And although America has ethnic Chinese, Americans of Chinese descent do not speak the Chinese dialects that undercover agents would have to know to break into the Triad operations.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
In 1973, the British authorities moved against the Americans and British agents on the Drug Squad and forced some resignations. It is not exactly clear what the details of the whole mess were, but the process was that for 2 years there was essentially no coherent drug squad in London.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The Mafia had tried to maintain its position in the drug activity, but the Mafia wasn’t in a position to buy directly from the prime sources. The Chiu Chau Triads had operated in Saigon and Vietnam during the Vietnam war bringing in drugs for the American soldiers. The Corsican syndicates (organized crime) had connections in Vietnam. They introduced the Mafia to the Triads. The Corsicans had been known as the French connection in the drug trade. They had worked with supplies coining from Turkey, through Lebanon, and then to Marseilles, France. Now the Triads ship Asian drugs to the U.S. via South America, and the Triads control the drug trade in New York City almost totally now. Bear in mind that the Triad leaders did this only after working out agreements with the top Illuminati families. If the top Illuminati families were not cooperating, the Triads would be out of business. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
Vancouver, B.C., San Francisco, New York, London, Manchester, and Amsterdam (not to mention Macao and Hong Kong) are some of the big bases of Triad Operation. Money is made by extortion, gambling, prostitution, drugs, or any other way to make a profit. The Triads have worked with the CIA in creating the drug network. The creation of the Golden Triangle as a source for drugs was a joint CIA-Triad operation. The Chinese communists couldn’t pass up the opportunity to debauch America. The Red Chinese government has secretly worked with the Triads in supplying heroin and opium knowing that these drugs were going to U.S. military bases. U.S. garrisons in Germany were supplied high grade drugs that came through the Triads, either grown under Triad supervision or in places like Red China. One of the kingpins in this drug trade was Lumpy Ho, whose business fronts were known as the Dutch Connection.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The Triads are known to have been operating in London since the 1890s, and may have been operating even before that. It wasn’t until the 1960 drug culture that the Triads began to catch more attention due to their large involvement in the drug trade. In 1971, the Triads introduced Pure No. 4 heroin into England to replace the ‘Brown Sugar’ that the Rolling Stones sang about.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
General Li Mi fled to the Golden Triangle and was provided via CIA agents supplies. It was Li Mi who started up the poppy fields to produce drugs that would be marketed by the other top Illuminati families. It was not chance that Li began opium production. The whole affair was a carefully calculated event by the Illuminati who have made millions running drugs for centuries.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html)
The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican controls all of the drug trade-all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Columbia. Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat.Mussolini had a concordat.Francohad aconcordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.
So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn't want the drug trade out of Columbia, they'd end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the Jesuit General.
And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit 'black ships' that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and everything they could pull out of the East, including opium.
The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by the Trafficantefamily throughout the United States-Santos Trafficante out of Miami.
So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade. We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of Kennedy. Eric Jon Phelps (http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html)
Let’s just make it plain, the Satanic hierarchy is behind the drug problem. Lewis’ family was very upset that he was helping the enemy, and they got a judge to rule that Lewis was incompetent to handle his financial affairs, and the court declared that Lewis can have on $15,000 per/year of his fortune. The duPonts also tried to stop his wedding. A federal informant saved Lewis from getting captured, and taken 60 miles into the Atlantic on his father’s yacht to be tortured and programmed. His family had hired a motorcycle gang with black hoods and some CIA-Green Beret types to kidnap Lewis. Lewis managed to get wind of the scheme and save himself. He tried to get his family on conspiracy to kidnap, but the duPont family bear in mind as one of the top 13 Illuminati families owns justice in this country. He failed to get his family on the conspiracy charge. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 4. DuPonts (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/duponts.html)
But the fact that the government has been involved in illegal narcotics trafficking, literally overdosing our own people, not third world target audiences, as we would expect, I think is important.....The point is that I had personal knowledge of CIA drug-trafficking.....At that time we had knowledge that the CIA was trafficking in illegal narcotics using Air America, which we over there had our own name for. We called it Air Opium.....As a matter of fact I was surprised and pleased to see the movie Air America finally come out because it showed for maybe the only time in history where the Pepsi Cola plant was set up in Laos, not to put mom and pop bottling companies out of business but rather to do the rather more sophisticated steps of taking opium and morphine into number four Asian [heroin] hell. Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey
One recovering Monarch slave tells about how her father was the mayor of an important city in Pennsylvania. He was part of the Illuminati and he introduced drugs into his area, and had a monopoly on illegal drugs in the area. As mayor he established the first drug hot line, so that people could inform authorities about drug trafficking. He staffed the drug hot line with his own people and this allowed him to get tips to eliminate his competition. The intelligence agencies which are using mind-control are hiding their drug trafficking and criminal activities. One of the ways they do this is the so-called War on Drugs. The situation is so bad and widespread that even the controlled media has had news where they reported CIA agents smuggling drugs seized in South America into the U.S. using government channels. The Illuminati Formula (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/5.html) 5. The Skill of Lying, The Art of Deceit (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/5.html)
The ceremonies to kill and resurrect the zombie are full of magic and demonology also. Magic, drugs and demonology have always gone hand in hand. Drugs remove the part of the will that prevents demonic possession. Drugs are considered powerful demonizing substances by the those skilled in Demonology. If demonic possession is seen as part of mind-control, then cocaine, hashish, crack, and some of the other drugs are part of the effort to enslave people. The Illuminati Formula (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/3.html) 3. THE USE OF DRUGS (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/3.html)
One Illuminati side benefit of illegal drugs is the massive increase in crime to feed habitsMost crimes that are committed in this country are because of drugs and the CIA bringing the drugs in like by the planeload. Transcript of 12 hours of radio interview of Chip Tatum on Intelligence Report. Ted Gundersson interviewe 1999. (http://www.whale.to/b/chip.html)
" By making drugs hard to get and jacking up the price the controllers can create massive crime waves at anytime and at any place whenever they wish. These waves of crime frighten innocent law abiding people into agreeing to give up Rights and Freedoms in order to, "get the crime and drugs off the streets". Recent polls have claimed that a majority of the American People are willing to, "give up some of their Rights and Freedom in order to get the crime and drugs off the streets". After passing draconian legislation removing Rights and Freedoms the drugs are once again made plentiful and prices are lowered. And, what do you know... the crime disappears making the new laws look like they are actually working. This technique has been extensively used in the socialists war against the Second Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America."--Bill Cooper (http://www.whale.to/b/cooper.html)Fake war on drugs:
"And what happened to me was that I met and fell in love with a woman who was a contract CIA agent, a career agent. Now, I come from a CIA family and they had tried to recruit me, so this was not unexpected to me, but I began to see that she was protecting drug shipments and that the Agency was actively involved in dealing drugs......we teach now with From The Wilderness is that it wasn't just CIA dealing some drugs to fund covert operations. It is that drug money is an inherent part of the American economy. It has always been so, as it was with the British in the 1600s when they introduced opium into China to fund the triangular trade with the British East India Company. ...... The CIA has dealt drugs for all 50 years of its existence--50 plus years, even before it was the CIA. And the point is that with 250 billion dollars a year in illegal drug money moved, laundered through the American economy, that money benefits Wall Street. That's the point of having the prohibitive drug trade, which the CIA effectively manages for the benefit of Wall Street."---Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Just before the Contra war, the annual cocaine consumption in this country was about 50 metric tons a year; let's say back in 1979. By 1985, it was 600 metric tons a year. We are still consuming 550 metric tons of cocaine a year in this country, and the money that's generated from that is used........ Philip Morris is now being sued by 28 departments (the same thing as states) in Colombia for smuggling two billion dollars worth of Marlboro cigarettes into Colombia and getting paid for it with cocaine money! That money boosts Philip Morris's stock value on Wall Street; General Electric the same way...it's documented in the US Department of Justice. So the purpose of the Agency being involved in the drug trade has been to generate illegal cash, fluid liquid capital, which gives those who can get their hands on it an unfair advantage in the marketplace."---Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Well, it's not a War on Drugs. It's a War on People. Consider this: Joseph McNamara, a former chief of San Jose from the Hoover Institute at Stanford University, published some really telling figures. In 1972, when Richard Nixon started the War on Drugs, the annual federal budget allocation was 110 million dollars a year for enforcement. In fiscal year 2000, 28 years later, the budget allocation was 17 billion dollars a year, and yet, in the year 2000, there are more drugs in this country, they are cheaper, and they are more potent than they were in 1972. That has to tell you that there's some other agenda going on here. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Drugs used as weapon against minorities:
There are a number of ways to look at that. For the British, the introduction of opium into China was a means to an end. China was a homogeneous culture. When the British arrived there, they were these Caucasian heathens. The Chinese didn't want anything to do with them; they didn't want to give up their tea, they didn't want to give up their silk, and the British said "We can't have this". They went to India and grew the opium poppy in east India, in the foothills of the Himalayas, and smuggled it to China. And what they did over the course of a hundred years was they converted China from a homogeneous culture that was unified, into a society of warlords fighting for turf to see who had which drug-dealing regions. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Babies born to crack mothers began to fill inner city hospitals, with each baby costing from $100,000 to $200,000 in terms of medical care costs..... The cost of caring for one of these children in New York is over $17,000 a year. From a period extending from five years after 1985, New York State alone has produced 467,000 such children, more than the entire population of Birmingham, Alabama. It has been estimated that some 40 to 60 percent of students in some inner city classrooms will be crack children in the near future. As a result, child care centers are overwhelmed, and the taxpayer is picking up the tab.
In New York, the number of drug-related crimes from 1979 to 1988 increased 500 percent. Other cities saw similar increases, with murder increasing exponentially. Americans are forty-four times more likely to be murdered than Japanese and seventy-three times more likely to be murdered than Austrians. This is especially true for males between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four, mostly as a result of drugs. Since 1965 the arrest rate for this age group has increased 300 percent.
In the Communist Manual of Instructions of Psychological Warfare (http://www.whale.to/b/soviet.htm), Beria describes the usefulness of these drugs when he states: "With it you can erase our enemies as insects. You can cripple the efficiency of leaders by striking insanity into their families through the use of drugs...By making readily available drugs, by giving the teenager alcohol, by praising his wildness, by stimulating him with sex literature...the operator can create the necessary attitude of idleness and worthlessness into which can be cast the solution...."Neuropharmacology as a Long-Range Strategic War Policy by Russell L. Blaylock, MD (http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock4.html)
"What the Agency has done.... through institutions like the Rand Corporation and UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute..... is they have deliberately engaged in pharmacological research to find out which drugs are most addictive. ....... So the CIA knew in 1980 exactly what the effects of crack were going to be when it hit the streets." Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
" Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing [and Urban Development, HUD]... produced a map in 1996, August of 1996--that's the same month that the Gary Webb story broke in the San Jose Mercury News. It was a map that showed the pattern of single family foreclosures or single family mortgages--HUD-backed mortgages--in South Central Los Angeles. But when you looked at the map all of these HUD foreclosures, they were right in the heart of the area where the crack cocaine epidemic had occurred. And what was revealed by looking at the HUD data was that, during the 1980s, thousands of middle-class African American wage-earning families with mortgages lost their homes. Why? There were drive-by shootings, the whole neighbourhood deteriorated, crack people moved in next door, your children got shot and went to jail and you had to move out. The house on which you owed $100,000 just got appraised at $40,000 because nobody wanted to buy it and you had to flee; you couldn't sell it, so you walked on it. And what Catherine's research showed was that someone else came along and bought thousands of homes for 10 to 20 cents in the dollar in the years right after the crack cocaine epidemic.
So the economic model is the same one that's always been in play for the ruling elite: use the poor people's money to steal their own land. You get the poor people to buy the drugs, using their money; you take that money to bring in more drugs, which destroys their property value, and then you steal it back. ..... it's been documented by ..... Professor John Metzger at the University of Michigan, who is one of my subscribers; he has a doctorate of urban planning. It was discussed in the Kerner Commission Report in 1967 after the Detroit riots, where it became US government policy that no more than a quarter of the population of any major inner city should be minority. "Spatial deconcentration" they call it, which really sounds Nazi to me, but it's in the Kerner Commission Report.
So the plan is literally to kill, loot...let me make it real simple...it's "Kill the Indians, take the land, take the wealth". So it is something of a misnomer or a misconception to believe that all of the cocaine or all of the crack cocaine was only used by African Americans. There was almost as much crack being used by whites as there was by African Americans, certainly in terms of total consumption.
...... one of the biggest investors in HUD multi-family units and HUD mortgages is Harvard University. It is a huge corporation that has a long list of ties to organised crime. Well, you take major firms like Harvard or related investment firms that also turn out to be huge campaign contributors, and they find out that there are 200 houses on the market for 20 cents in the dollar and they don't ask how it got that way; they just follow the money. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Whites probably consumed more cocaine than African Americans, but they consumed powder. And what we saw was a deliberate effort by the Agency or Agency-related organisations to make sure that the large quantities of the cocaine, and the high-quality cocaine, got into the inner cities like Los Angeles. It was protected. And that's what I saw with the LAPD. I saw the hands-on working relationship, the interface between local police departments and the CIA.Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
I was first recruited when I was a senior at UCLA. The Agency flew me to Washington and said: "Mike, we want you to become a CIA case officer. You've already interned for LAPD for three years, you interned for the chief, your family was CIA, your mother was NSA. We want you to go back to the LAPD, and being an LAPD cop will just be your cover." Now the Agency has done that; we've documented it in New Orleans, in New York, in police departments all across the country. And I've seen the interface where the CIA will deal very quietly with local agencies to protect their drug operations. That's one of the reasons they have to do it; it weeds out competition. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
Money laundered through Wall Street
"But one guy I talked to was a guy named Rex Nutting, who was the bureau chief of CBS Market Watch--he is the head guy for CBS for the stock market. And we're sitting back in the room--I'm waiting for Huffington to get free--and I'm talking to this guy about the fact that Richard Grasso, the Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, last July went to Colombia and cold-called on the FARC guerrillas and asked them to invest their drug money in Wall Street. And Rex Nutting says: "Well, of course they always go where the money is. It's obvious." The drug money is always going through Wall Street. Wall Street smells money and doesn't care where the money comes from; they'll go for the drug money. And we jokingly laughed that the National Security Act that created the CIA in '47 was written by a guy called Clark Clifford, who was a Wall Street banker and lawyer. He's the guy that brought us BCCI. The job of writing the outline for CIA, the design for the Agency, was given to Clark Clifford by John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles--both law partners in the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. In '69 after Nixon came in, the Chairman of SEC [Securities and Exchange Commission] was William Casey--the same guy who was Ronald Reagan's Director of Central Intelligence. And the current Vice President in charge of enforcement for the New York Stock Exchange, Dave Dougherty, is a retired CIA General Counsel. The CIA is Wall Street, and vice versa. When you understand that, and that money is the primary objective, everything else just falls into place.Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
The map that we're following--and this is where I agree wholeheartedly with Le Monde in Paris, a fabulous publication that's about to give us a pretty decent endorsement in September [2000], this month--is that organised crime is probably the lubricating force for the entire world economy right now. There's a trillion dollars a year in organised crime money. That trillion dollars a year is liquid, and if you think of money--criminal money, drug money--as water, which is thin, it can flow very quickly from point A to point B. And in the world markets, where you apply money is where you control business. You control markets. You control banks. You control interest rates. Drug money flows fastest. Money that is not criminal money has to go through regulations and banking systems. It has to go through taxations. It's tracked. The lawyers follow it. That money moves like molasses.
So those who have access to the cheapest capital always win. That's why if you don't play with drug money in the world economy today, you can't play at all. That's why, as we have documented, drug money was going directly into Al Gore's presidential campaign. Why? Because the Republicans, going as far back as Reagan, were using drug money, and that's how they put Reagan into office--with Bill Casey. If you don't play in that mode, you can't play at all. But the analogy I use is that it's like a snake eating its own tail: it's got to stop sooner or later.
Media
As far as the major media go, it's real simple. First of all, if you look at what just happened with AOL and Time Warner who own CNN. We have proven in From The Wilderness that CNN flat lost a lawsuit over the use of sarin gas during Vietnam. The Tailwind suits were settled and the former producer, April Oliver, just bought a six-bedroom house. I mean, CNN cannot afford to tell the truth, because what happened when they tried to tell the truth is that Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell picked up the phone and scared Ted Turner to death by threatening his stock value on Wall Street. Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade) (http://www.whale.to/b/ruppert1.html)
It's very interesting to note that one of the companies I track as far as laundering drug monies go--General Electric--happens to own NBC. Now, everybody knows that GE brings good things to life; they make DVDs, VCRs, television sets, telephones. When drug money in South America says they'd like to buy 100 million dollars worth of TVs and DVDs so that someone laundering drug money in Colombia can open a chain of appliance stores and make that money legal, GE asks absolutely no questions about where that money is coming from. As a matter of fact, there are no requirements for Wall Street to report drug money being invested.
So we're living in a hugely inflated bubble, and not one of the major media outlets in this country--all of which are publicly traded corporations afraid of takeover, trying to maximise profits--can afford to tell the truth. That's why we see these great opportunities for little organisations like From The Wilderness, and you guys, and everybody else that's coming up now--because what we're peddling is the truth, and what we find is that the truth sells!

JBoy
11-07-2010, 01:06 PM
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JBoy
11-07-2010, 04:40 PM
Satanic hand signal[/URL]
[Some of these appear to be [URL="http://lompocfundamentalbaptistlinks.net/handsigns.htm"]faked (http://www.whale.to/b/satanism.html). The Horned Hand or "Cornuto" represents the Devil, Satan, The Goat (the Baphomet--probably a Reptilian in disguise). It is a sign of recognition between those that are in the occult. It is also used at heavy metal and rock concerts to affirm their allegiance to the music's message and the band members. Ref (http://members.tripod.com/%7ERU_BOLD/occult_practices.html) It is similar to the sign for I Love you, but Helen Keller, who developed sign language, was into Theosophy (founded by Satanist Blavatsky (http://www.whale.to/b/blavatsky_h.html)), the satanic group that Krishnamurti rejected.http://www.whale.to/b/manocornuto.gif
Likewise the The "V" Sign (http://www.whale.to/b/v_s.html) has a good cover.]






Satanic hand signal (http://www.whale.to/b/hand.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Real History of Satanismby Lyndon LaRouche (http://www.whale.to/b/larouche_h.html) www.LaRouchePub.com (http://www.larouchepub.com/)
Anglo-American Satanists (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#Anglo-American_Satanists_)
THE LUCIS TRUST: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_LUCIS_TRUST:_)
THE WICCA CULT: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_WICCA_CULT:_)
THE AGE OF AQUARIUS: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#THE_AGE_OF_AQUARIUS:_)
SATAN ROCK: (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#SATAN_ROCK:_)
The Satanist Mind (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#The_Satanist_Mind_)
Modern Witchcraft (http://www.whale.to/b/rouche.html#Modern_Witchcraft_) Anglo-American Satanists
The best-organized Satanist forces operating presently inside the United States include the following prominent organizations:
THE LUCIS TRUST: This is the leading, putatively respectable Britain-based Satan cult (it worships Lucifer). The Lucis Trust, which runs the only religious chapel at the New York United Nations headquarters, The Temple of Understanding, was originally founded as the Lucifer Trust, in London, in 1923. The Lucis Trust associated with the UNO is the New York affiliate of the British organization. The name was changed from Lucifer Trust, to Lucis Trust, to make the nature of the organization less conspicuous.
The Lucis Trust's leading sponsors include the following prominent figures:
Henry Clausen, Supreme Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern District Scottish Rite
Freemasons
Norman Cousins
John D. Rockefeller IV
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Marshall Field family
Robert McNamara
Thomas Watson (IBM, former US Ambassador to Moscow)
The United Lodge of Theosophists of New York City
U. Alexis Johnson, former Undersecretary of State
Rabbi Marc Tannenbaum, American Jewish CommitteeProminent front-organizations sponsored by the Lucis Trust, include the following:
The Theosophical Order of Service (founded by Annie Besant in1908)
The Theosophical Society (founded by Helena P. Blavatsky in 1875)
The United Nations Association
The World Wildlife Fund UK
The Findhorn Foundation
Greenpeace International
Greenpeace USA
Amnesty International
The Nicholas Roerich Society (chief connection to Russian mysticism, spirituality)
The Anthroposophs of Rudolf Steiner
The Rudolf Steiner School [these could not be genuine followers of Steiner]
UNESCO
UNICEF
The American Friends Service Committee
THE ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS (OTO):
This is today's best-known of the hard-core, British-based Satanist cults. Like the Lucis Trust, the OTO is a direct off-shoot of the work of Britain's leading twentieth-century Satanist, Theosophy leader Aliester Crowley. OTO enthusiasts claim this organization is an offshoot of Templar freemasonry, and hint at very influential protection from among Templars very high in British freemasonry.
THE WICCA CULT: The WICCA cult came to the surface early during the post-war period, as a legalized association for the promotion of witchcraft. It is the leading publicly known international association of witches in the world today.
In the United States, WICCA's outstanding sponsor is the New York Anglican (Episcopal) diocese, under Bishop Paul Moore. Officially, New York's Anglican Cathedral of St. John the Divine has promoted the spread of WICCA witchery through its Lindisfarne center. The late Gregory Bateson conducted such an operation out of the Lindisfarne center during the 1970s.No later than the 1970s, and perhaps still today, the crypt of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, is the headquarters for solemn ceremonies of the British (Venerable) Order of Malta. Key figures, such as Gregory Bateson's former spouse, Dame Margaret Mead, associated with that British order, have been associated with projects in support of the Satanist "Age of Aquarius" cause.
For obvious reasons, U.S. witches have chosen Salem, Massachusetts, as their national center. One of the most important operations of these witches is their coordination of the hardcore of U.S. astrology rackets. THE AGE OF AQUARIUS:
The "Age of Aquarius," or "New Age," is the generic name adopted by the modern Satanist movement. The best-publicized among the founders of the Age of Aquarius movement include Fyodor Dostoevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Alex Muenthe (of Capri notoriety), and Aleister Crowley. Most Aquarians trace the origins of modern Satanism to Nietzsche and Crowley.Anti-Christ cultist Nietzsche announced that the twentieth century would see the end of the Age of Pisces, which Aquarians associate with the figures of Socrates and Christ; Nietzsche prophesied that the New Age would be the Age of Aquarius, which he identified with the Satanic figure Dionysos. Crowley announced himself publicly a devotee of Nietzsche's New Age cult in his Vienna Theosophy magazine, near the beginning of this century, and indicated as his preferred choice of name for Satan.
Among hard-core insiders, the New Age models its dogma on the Magis' cult of Mithra, as Nietzsche did. The cult has notable affinities to the Bulgarian-Cathar Bogomil cult(from which the slang term "buggery" is derived). The New Age's most celebrated historical figure, its choice for the original "incarnation" of the Anti-Christ, is the Roman Emperor Tiberius who ordered the execution of Christ. [Some Roman emperors, most notably Caligula, became possessed by being initiated without being suitably prepared.] Adolf Hitler and Hermann Goering were among the notable figures who followed this cult.The best-known coordinating-center for the Age of Aquarius project in the U.S.A. today is Palo Alto, California's Stanford Ressearch Institute, whose Willis Harman is the relevant leading personality. See Harman disciple Marilyn Feruguson's 1980 Aquarian Conspiracy for a popular exposition of Harman's views and program for subversion of the United States. Ferguson is accurate when she reports that the Fabian Society's H.G. Wells (World War I boss of British intelligence) is a key figure of the Aquarian Conspiracy. Also key are Wells' ally, Bertrand Russell, and such Russell cronies as Robert M. Hutchins (Chicago University, Ford Foundation, Fund for the Republic, Aspen Institute, and the project).
Both Margaret Mead and her husband Gregory Bateson were close collaborators of Russell and Hutchins from no later than 1938. The brothers, Aldous (Hollywood) and Julian (UNO) Huxley were collaborators of H. G. Wells, and were recruited to Crowley's Satanist cult during the late 1920s. SATAN ROCK:
Since the launching of the Beatles as an international project, via TV's , in 1963, "rock" has been the most influential recruiter to Satanism. Rock was created, and is still coordinated by Crowley's followers and by the OTO network, in cooperation with WICCA. It is, not so incidentally, also the Satanist's biggest money-maker, and believed to provide the chief logistical support for deployments and other activities of the OTO-WICCA efforts world-wide.There is nothing spontaneous or accidental about "rock." It is a product of classical studies of the ancient Phrygian terrorist cult of Satan-Dionysos, the model for the Roman Bacchic cults of similar characteristics. Crowley's control of the "rock industry" has been documented by a team of [private] investigators, who have also noted, that in addition to the Satanist lyrics, Satanist messages embedded sublimally in rock recordings are a key feature of this subversive operation.
The "rock rythm" itself is copied from the old Dionysian-Bacchic cults. Even without the drugs and sexual orgies which are characteristic features of hard-core rock affairs, repeated,frequent, hours-long exposure to constant repetition of "rock rythms" produces lasting, drug-like effects on the mind of the victim. Reducing sexual practices to the level of bestiality,is a crucial feature of Satanism in all historical periods studied, from Phrygian Cybele-Dionysos cult-period onward.From western continental Europe, among the threats to the U.S. from this quarter, the two leading open centers for hard-core Satanism today, are Turin, Italy (where actress ElizabethTaylor's "Live AIDS" project attempted to sponsor an aborted Satan-rock festival), and Lausanne, Switzerland.
The Satanist MindSatanists already have numerous victims. Most of the sexual and related atrocities perpetrated upon "disappeared" infants and other children, are done as part of the rituals outlined in manuals of Satanist organizations. A leading police association has received expert estimate, that of all known murders, one in five is a ritual murder, like the ritual London assassination of Italy's Roberto Calvi, perpetrated by members of Satanist cults. The "Son of Sam" murders in New York, and the Cobb County-based cult operations in the so-called "Atlanta child-murders," fit into this pattern.
Satanism is not "just another nutty occult fad." The mind of the Satanist is pure evil; the Satanist is a former person who has been transformed into something no longer human. It begins like drug-addiction; the prospective recruit to Satanism "gets into something" on a playful impulse, but then finds himself or herself gripped by compulsions which he or she can no longer control. Drugs and other special circumstances may be significant collateral features of the initiation, but not necesarily. The key is "letting oneself go," into the depths of acting-out impulses which combine sexual impulses and rage as a unity, and expressing this form of "pleasure" in the form of an act which violates an important precept of one's own conscience.
Nietzsche's writings, especially toward the last period of life preceding his mental breakdown, address these special sorts of emotions, and refer implicitly to terrible obscene acts as the prospective fulfilment of such impulses. Nietzsche recognized these impulses as Satanic --dionysiac-- in quality. [Dionysiac activity, or wild abandon, by itself leads to non-demonic possession. Becoming demonically possessed requires killing, torturing, or tormenting someone with a neutral or positive attitude.]Ordinarily we think of the criminal mind as representing a person whose goals are based on "normal human impulses," but whose choice of means is immoral. Doing something illegal is not necessarily immoral; the useful definition of the criminal mind, is the person inclined to prefer immoral means as short-cuts to some goal usually not inconsistent with normal human impulses. In the case of the Satanist, we touch upon something way beyond such a mere criminal mind.
Imagine a criminal mind which has undergone a curious transformation. Perhaps, formerly, this fellow was an habitual thief, even of that sort of twisted mind which delighted in occasions he might have imagined he had pretext to exert the power of life or death over some chance victim on the scene of his crime. Yet, up to that point, robbery or kindred results were always the prompting of his criminal activity.Now, he has changed. Crime is no longer motivated by the impulse to employ cruel means for personal gain. Instead, the pleasure of the sense of power realized in employing viciously cruel means, becomes an end in itself. This form of criminal pleasure becomes a blend of rage and sexuality. Jaded appetites create the mental state in that man, that he must do something more monstrous than he has done before, to realize the desired level of orgiastic pleasure from the evil deed. Evil for the purpose of doing evil, has become for him, a goal in and of itself. This man has become a beast, a virtual Satanist.
That is the state of mind which Satanism seeks to develop inits initiates. It might begin with an ordinary sexual act performed under the influence of an ugly state of mind. Soon, something much more degraded becomes a need for the prospective initiate's rapidly jaded appetites. In contrast to the healthy mind, which seeks always to become better in what is being mastered, for the initiate to Satanism, a sense of need develops, to seek to muster oneself to do something much worse than one has ever done before. Satanic cults organize that degraded process of self-degeneration. The potential for endemic incidence of individual bestiality within society, is transformed into an organized,institutionalized form of social behavior.The tradition of the "Black Mass," points to the mechanisms of Satanism as such. Nietzsche's instruction is much to the point. Perform some really monstrous act of blasphemy, and associate that blasphemous doing with some sort of degraded,orgiastic pleasure.
Go back to ancient Mesopotamia, whence Satanism was transmitted to western Europe. The relevant figure of Satanism is not a male, but a female figure. The male figure --Satan, Baal, Lucifer, and so on--is a subordinate figure; the female principle of evil is pre-dominant. Hence, Satan's mother, the "Whore of Babylon,"known otherwise as the Chaldean Ishtar, the Caananite Astarte,Isis, Venus, or the Phrygian Cybele. The ritual of the priestesses of Ishtar was an obscene "religious service" which concluded with the priestesses' fornicating with the congregation. Hence, "Whore of Babylon," and the associated position of Ishtar, Athtar, Astarte, Isis, and Venus as the patron goddess of prostitution. This satanic cult-practice was introduced to Mesopotamia from pre-Aryan India [which was Inanna/Ishtar's assigned domain - see Sitchin's Wars of Gods and Men]. The so-called "Harrappan" culture, featuring the Earth-Mother and fertility goddess Shakti and her satanic male figure Siva, established a set of colonies in the Middle East. The Sumer established as a colony by what the local semites named "the black-headed people" (Dravidians), was a Harrapan colony. There, among the semites, Shakti became known as Ishtar. In the Harrapan colony of Sheba-Ethiopia, Shakti became known as Athtar. In the Caananite ("Phoenician") offshoot of Harrapan colonizing, she became known as Astarte. The Hellenic cults of Isis and Osiris, were offshoots of the Harrapan cult of Shakti-Siva, by this route. When the same cult spread to an Indo-european people, the Phrygians, Shakti-Siva assumed the Indo-european forms of Cybele and Dionysos (day-night). Apollo and Lucifer are variants of the name for Satan-Osiris-Dionysos. [Ishtar was ambitious.]
Among the Caananites, for example, Satanism expressed itself in such forms as the worship of Moloch, with the included custom of making a human sacrifice of the first-born of each marriage. Notably, that Caananite tradition is featured in the modern Satanists' ritual sexual and homicidal rituals upon infants and children used as human sacrifices.By combining the means by which men and women are degraded into potentially satanic forms of beasts, as rituals associated with Satanism practised as an "anti-religion," large-scale Satanic movements are developed through systematic proselytzing.
The result of this initiation, as we have already stressed,is no human being, but a former human being transformed into something which is not human.Modern liberals and others frown on reports of savage witch-hunts from earlier centuries. Usually, the special British COINTELPRO operation, run in Salem Massachusetts as a covert operation against the independence of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, is commonly referenced. A better comparison is the proliferating of Satanist movements during the fourteenth century; these witches were actually sub-human, Satanist beasts, who represented that sort of mass threat to the population of that period. So, the population, as its only defense against a genuine Satanic force of that sort, hunted them down and sought to wipe them out. Not for nothing, does the Old Testament warn, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." The witches of the old Middle East and fourteenth-century Europe were very real, very evil witches, no longer human, but murderous beasts.
Modern WitchcraftThe modern spread of witchcraft in English-speaking nations, began during the sixteenth century, in the setting of imported cabalist and rosicrucan cults built up around Oxford and Cambridge. Francis Bacon and his secretary Thomas Hobbes were part of this movement. The endemic inculcation in Satanism which this prompted in seventeenth-century England, exploded after the accession of King George I, in the form of the Hell-fire Clubs which proliferated among degenerate English nobility during the long Liberal prime ministry of Hugh Walpole.
During the Stuart Restoration period, the pro-satanic rosicrucean and cabalist cultism around the Stuart court siezed upon the case of Robert Bruce to reorganize the cult in a newform.
Robert Bruce had been the leader of a group of Satan-worshipping (Baphomet) Templars, who had fled to Scotland, away from the angered justice of the Papacy and the King of France. What they brought with them, was the Templars' exploitation of the Cathar (Bogomil) tradition in the region of Toulouse and Albi, to build up the syncretic sort of Satanic worship the Templars had acquired in the Middle East. The Papacy had enough of this, and the King of France acted to shut down Templars by the means customary in those times. A group of Templars under Bruce fled to Scotland, and after some initial difficulties, made themselves the lords of the place.The character of the Stuart court is illustrated by the characterization of one Stuart government of that period as the "Cabal." In his history, Macauley offers an amiable description of the affair. During this century, when the chest of Isaac Newton's laboratory papers was opened and examined, the content of Newton's acutal "scientific work" turned out to be a selection of lurid and rather insane experimetns in "black magic." The circles around Francis Bacon and Hobbes were, as we say today, "a prize collection of real kooks."
So, the Templar mish-mash of Bogomil Gnosticism blended into Hashishin Satanism, caused Bruce's Templar credentials to be viewed as suitable myth-building material for the taste of the Stuart kooks of the period. The Liberal aristocracy of Britain became a principal concentration of this filthy stuff. When the Liberals came to full power, under Walpole, this Liberal stuff came out in such form as the proliferating Hell-Fire Clubs. That tradition was cultivated under the Second Earl of Shelbourne's puppet prime minister, William Pitt the Younger, with Satanic figures such as the powerful Jeremy Bentham in the fore. Satanism gained new ground under the protection of Liberalism and Romanticism during the nineteenth century. In England,the more virulent new forms surfaced around Oxford University'sJohn Ruksin and the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood. Out of this came theosophy, British "guild" socialism, the Fabian Society, Bertrand Russell, H. G. Wells, and Aleister Crowley -- Satanists all.
This spilled over into the United States, notably in the circles of putative "Great Awakening" evangelist Johnathan Edwards, and his protege, Princeton Hell-Fire Club activist Aaron Burr. During the late nineteenth century, the sort of spoon-bending kookery associated with such figures as Oliver Lodge and A. Conan Doyle spilled generously among the wealthy anglophile liberals of the United States.In short, this sort of witchery has been endemic over the centuries. The difference is, that what was endemic has become epidemic.
*Not the original title, but who else would have written this? To Journalism on Satanism page (http://web.archive.org/web/20021020010853/http://www.econcrisis.homestead.com/JournalismOnSatanism.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 07:14 AM
NEWSMAKINGNEWS.COM (http://www.newsmakingnews.com/)Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive
By Diana Napolis, M.A. aka Karen Jones © 2000

The following cases describe legal proceedings held in Juvenile, Family, Civil and Criminal Courts around the world where there have been allegations of Satanism or the use of ritual to abuse others.
Any religion or organization can be used as a front to hide ritual abuse activity, including Christianity, Buddhism, Shamanism, Hinduism, Masonry, Mormonism, Pagan and Satanic religions; however, not all Satanists commit crimes and not all occultism is Satanism. It is imperative that investigators and professionals familiarize themselves with cross-cultural belief systems so as not to target any particular group.
This archive was compiled by Diana Napolis, M.A.. If there are any corrections or updates that need to be made, please contact
the author at: 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114, San Diego, California 92119-1503.
"Warning: Some of the following cases depict graphic, violent activity."
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/newblueyellow.gif10/2/07 UPDATE: MIRROR SITE WITH BIO OF DIANA NAPOLIS AND NEW INFORMATION: Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive (http://www.endritualabuse.org/ritualabusearchive.htm)
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September 2000, Murfreesboro, Tennessee; Alonzo South, 31, pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated sexual battery. He was sentenced to 24 years in prison.

Overview: South admitted that on at least three occasions over the last two years he participated in satanic rituals in which a nude girl under the age of 10 was sexually touched. Court records say the child, who was the daughter of a woman involved in the satanic group, was raped in a home, the nearby woods, a shed, a pickup truck and a car. See, "Man gets 24 years for satanic-ritual rape of 10-year-old girl," The Tennessean, Sept. 30, 2000
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April 2000, Nashville, Tennessee; Motion withdrawn to hold State in contempt of court.

Overview: News articles report that a Federal judge was asked to hold the State in contempt of court in February 2000 for its continued failure to provide court-ordered and doctor-prescribed mental health services to a severely traumatized 17-year-old victim of rape and occult ritual abuse. A State advocacy group, Tennessee Justice Center, filed a class action lawsuit against the state for failure to properly administer the appeals procedure for the health care plan enrollees of TennCare, (Tennessee Behavioral Health). The 17 yr. old victim was just one of the people named in the settlement but she was left without proper care until this motion was filed. In April, the state agreed to properly attend to her care. See, "Tenn. Could be in Contempt if Mental Care for Teen Inadequate", The Commercial Appeal, February 24, 2000; and "Sarah C. to get badly needed care", Knoxville News-Sentinel Co., April 18, 2000
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April 2000 Warsaw, Poland; Tomasz Suszyna and Robert Krakowian pleaded guilty to murder

Overview: A 19-year-old woman and a 17-year-old boy were killed during a ritual Satanic mass in southern Poland, police said after finding the cut up and burned bodies. The two victims were members of a sect that staged the black mass in a disused bunker on the outskirts of the town of Ruda Slaska, but they did not know they were to die. Another teenage cult member who survived was taken to the hospital with multiple knife wounds. See, "Teenage cult members killed in Satanic mass," Agence France Presse, March 4, 1999 and "Polish Satanists jailed for ritual double murder", Agence France Presse, April 1, 2000.
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March 2000, COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO, TENTH APPELLATE DISTRICT, FRANKLIN COUNTY.

Shawn Ellis, Dependent Minor Child, (Franklin County Children Services, Complainant-Appellee, Carla Richardson, Respondent-Appellant). No. 99AP-725, No. 99AP-726; Permanent court commitment of children upheld.

Overview: The mother and father did not comply with the reunification plans for their children and the court stated satanic occult practices were allegedly commonplace: "After being in counseling for over three years, appellant continued to deny what happened to her children and claimed an inability to remember the abuse. There was even testimony that appellant could not recall taking blood and hair from the children as part of satanic rituals."
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October 1999, South Africa; Maeoriko Manyike sentenced to life in prison for ritual murder and mutilation.

Overview: The perpetrator mutilated a 15-yr-old boy and tried to sell his genitals which he had cut off. According to a news report: "Ritual or 'muti' murders are common in South Africa where people are prepared to pay well for portions made of human parts which they believe will bring good health or good fortune." See, "Mozambican jailed for life in S. Africa for ritual murder," Agence France Presse, Oct. 21, 1999
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Sept. 14, 1999, Kitchener, Ontario; Kenneth James McMurray pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual assault.

Overview: News article reports that McMurray held himself out as a leader of a group based on the Wiccan religion. He preyed on abused teenagers and required them to engage in a series of homosexual acts which he called Mandatory Requirements which they would be tested on. He told them that they would become better people spiritually if they participated in these acts. Some members were afraid of McMurray because they thought he had special powers. See, "Guelph man admits sex assaults, guilty plea ends preliminary hearing for head of Erin cult," Kitchener Waterloo Record, Sept. 14, 1999.
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August 1999; STATE OF OHIO, PLAINTIFF-APPELLEE V. KENNETH J. SMITH DEFENDANT-APPELLANT; CASE NO. 17-99-1; Status as sexual predator upheld.

Overview: Man pled guilty several years prior to sexual imposition against a child; he appealed the designation as a sexual predator. Documents state: "The trial court also noted that the pre-sentence investigation report indicated alcohol was used, that defendant had threatened the victim, and that satanic ceremonies had been used."
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August 11 1999, Helsinki, Finland; Jarno Sebastian Elg, Terhi Johanna Tervashonka, Mika Kristian Riska sentenced for ritual murder

Overview: A court sentenced three alleged Satanists, including a 17-year-old girl, to prison terms for killing a man and ingesting some of the body parts. Jarno Sebastian Elg, 24, was given a life sentence for killing a 23-year-old man in November and instigating others to participate in a ritual that included torturing the victim and listening to heavy-metal music. The Hyvinkaa District Court in southern Finland sentenced Terhi Johanna Tervashonka, 17, to two years and six months in prison and Mika Kristian Riska, 21, to two years and eight months in the case. The victim, who was not named, suffered prolonged torture and eventually was strangled to death, the court said. It also said the three people convicted "were strongly influenced by Satanism." The court declared most of the details of the case secret. See, "Alleged Satanists sentenced for murder, cannibalism," Associated Press, August 11, 1999
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August 3, 1999, KIEV; Dmitry Dyomin was sentenced to death for murder; his accomplices, Valentin Chelyshev and Alexei Andreyev sentenced to 13 and 8 yrs. in jail.

Overview: The supreme court sentenced to death a man convicted of killing a 15-year-old girl whose tongue he then boiled and ate. He belonged to a satanic cult and with the help of two accomplices had severed the girl's head with a kitchen knife. Dyomin later lacquered the skull and kept it in his room. Skulls, books on black magic and upside-down crucifixes were found during a search of Dyomin's house. See AAP NEWSFEED, August 4, 1999
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May 1999, FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida; Darrel Wayne Harris, held for attempted 1st degree murder

Overview: Pending Case - A 17-year-old has been charged as an adult and was scheduled to be arraigned on an attempted first-degree murder charge in a stabbing attack that stemmed from a satanic ritual, police said. Harris allegedly stabbed Robert Menendez four to six times in the throat and back with a carving knife after a ritual in which they cut their hands to let their blood mingle and chanted lines from a satanic book together. As they were chanting on April 21, they drew a pentagram in the dirt and Harris told Menendez to look down at the symbol. As Menendez looked down, Harris attacked him with the knife." Somewhere along the line the culprit just started to hack him with the knife," said Fort Lauderdale Detective Arturo Carbo. "The victim told us that the stabbing was not part of the ritual and he firmly believed he was going to die. Harris and Menendez were part of a network of 30 to 40 local young people who are involved in satanic activities," Carbo said. Menendez told police he and Harris, who have known each other for at least 18 months, hung out at local public libraries to use computers to access satanic Web sites and send e-mail to each other. See, "Teen charged as adult in stabbing that took place during satanic ritual," Associated Press, May 28, 1999.
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February 1999, United States District Court For the District of Nebraska; Paul A. Bonacci vs. Lawrence E. King; 4:CV91-3037; $1 million default judgment awarded.

Overview: "Two counts are alleged against the defendant King in the complaint. Count V alleges a conspiracy with public officers to deprive the plaintiff of his civil rights, designed to continue to subject the plaintiff to emotional abuse and to prevent him from informing authorities of criminal conduct. Count VIII charges battery, false imprisonment, infliction of emotional distress, negligence and conspiracy to deprive the plaintiff of civil rights. Between December 1980 and 1988, the complaint alleges, the defendant King continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonments, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to 'scavenge' for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous masochistic orgies with other minor children. The defendant King's default has made those allegations true against him. The issue now is the relief to be granted monetarily. The now uncontradicted evidence is that the plaintiff has suffered much. He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beating of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King. In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as fourteen distinct personalities aside from his primary personality. He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty in holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King."
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April 1998, South Africa; Naledzani Mabuda and his wife Helen Madidida confessed to killing their 23-month-old son.

Overview: The father, a traditional healer and spiritual medium, confessed to ritually killing his son because his ancestors had threatened to destroy him if he did not. Police found the boy's head, legs, hands and genitals buried under various parts of the floor in the couple's house. Later searches revealed the toddler's intestines, liver and other internal organs from a series of ritual "graves" on the nearby mountainside. The couple were refused bail after another local traditional leader banned them from the village. He testified that the couple had committed a crime of the "greatest evil" and that the townspeople were terrified. The case was remanded to trial for May 4 when a series of sangomas were asked to testify about ritual human sacrifices as part of traditional African beliefs. See, "A Sangoma couple in court for sacrificing child to ancestors, Africa News Service, April 15, 1998.

Also, in January 1998 several of South Africa's witch-doctors, or sangomas, claimed that ritual murders and killings related to the medicinal quest for body parts had decreased by more than 90 percent. The news article reports that police estimate that several hundred people, many of them children, are killed in South Africa each year for their body parts. Female genitals, breasts and placentas are used for infertility and good luck, while hands burned to ashes and mixed into a paste are seen as a cure for strokes, and hearts for heart disease. Blood is given to impart vitality and brains for political power and business success. However "true sangomas eschew the use of body parts, treating physical and mental ailments using herbal medicines." See, "Witch-doctors not making a killing any more: South African healers say ritual murders no longer in vogue." The Ottawa Citizen, January 2, 1998
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STATE OF OREGON, Respondent, v. MICHAEL JAMES HAYWARD; Appellant. 327 Ore. 397; 963 P.2d 667; 1998 Ore. LEXIS 593.
Three counts of aggravated murder, one count of intentional murder, two counts of felony murder, two counts of attempted aggravated murder, one count of first-degree assault, one count of first-degree kidnapping, one count of first-degree robbery, and one count of first-degree burglary and death sentence affirmed.

Overview: Four people, three of whom considered themselves to be Satanists and members of a "Death-Metal" band, listened to their Death-Metal music which included lyrics to "The Pick-Axe Murders," An Experiment in Homicide," "Hammer smashed face," Meat Hook Sodomy," "Gutted," and "Living Dissection." They planned their crime and went to a Dari Mart store, killed a female clerk and brutally beat another one. The evidence of "Death-metal" music and Satanism was admitted into court testimony and was upheld because it partially explain the motive for the crime and the motive for the degree of brutality used.
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October 1997, Equatorial Guinea; An unnamed individual was condemned to death after removing the eyes, tongue, ears and genitals of his 10-year-old female victim.

Overview: Malabo radio reported that 17 ritual murders were committed in Equatorial Guinea in August and September of 1997, according to official figures. See, "Ritual murderer of girl, 10, sentenced to death", Agence France Presse, October 3, 1997.

Another news report cites a Spanish journalist and ethnographer, Jose Manuel Novoa, an expert on the country who has conducted investigations in Equatorial Guinea since 1979 and has written two books about cannibalism in the region. Novoa claims that anthropophagy (eating human flesh) is widespread in the country. He stated, "Eating human flesh was a tradition of warriors pertaining to the ethnic group of the Fang, which lives in Equatorial Guinea, Nigeria, Gabon and Cameroon ...as they conquered new territories, Fang warriors ate parts of their victims to absorb desirable qualities such as youth and strength... human organs are eaten by members of secret brotherhoods which practice sorcery in forests at night. New members are initiated in ceremonies which invoke spirits...bodies are obtained through murder and robbing them from cemeteries ...the secret groups are known as 'evu societies', because many Guineans believe the human body to contain an organ known as the 'evu.'"... "The human brain is known to be highly toxic, for which reason the cannibals seek to immunize themselves by ingesting potent vegetal poisons in small doses... nevertheless, the cannibalism is believed to have led to a disease known as the kuru." See, "Cannibalism still common in Equatorial Guinea, Spanish expert claims", Deutsche Presse-Agentur, April 5, 1998.

In April of 1988, President Omar Bongo met with leaders of the Catholic, Protestant and Moslem communities to discuss possible action against imported beliefs and practice. This action was taken after an admission by a witchdoctor, purporting to belong to a sect based in neighboring Equitorial Guinea, that he had eaten six humans, including two of his own children, over the past decade. The witchdoctor was a railway worker and his followers had killed another victim, a teacher who was seeking help to solve family problems. See, "Bongo Denounces Sects in Wake of Gruesome Cannibalism Tale." Reuters (Libreville) April 29, 1988.
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November 1998, Pike County, Ohio; Michael Paul Dillard, 20, was convicted of felony child endangerment for burning a boy during a satanic ritual.

Overview: Dillard used candle wax to burn crosses on the chest, genitals, arms and back of the 14-yr.old. Dillard confessed to torturing the boy, his 13 yr. old brother and a 12 yr. old friend. An accomplice held their legs while Dillard poured wax on them. "It burned," the younger boy testified. "I tried to get loose." One of the men told one of the boys to holler out Satan's name, but he refused to do it, the younger boy testified. See, "Man guilty of burning teens in satanic ritual," Columbus Dispatch, and "A Pike County man faces up to five years in prison for torturing a 14-yr-old boy", Associated Press, August 19, 1998.
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February 1998, SEAN RICHARD SELLERS v. RONALD WARD UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS TENTH CIRCUIT No. 97-6062; 728 P.2d 515; 809 P.2d 676; 889 P. 2d 895; Denial of new trial affirmed.

Overview: In 1985 - 1986, at the age of 16, Sean Sellers killed three people, including his parents. He was tried as an adult and given the death sentence. Evidence of his satanic belief system was admitted by the defense at trial. Sellers appealed in recent years due to new evidence that he suffered from multiple personality disorder or (DID). Extensive medical documentation was submitted to the court indicating that an "alter" committed the offenses. The appeal was denied although the court was clearly disturbed by the ramifications of Sean Seller's mental disorder.

Note: Sean was executed on Feb. 4, 1999 despite appeals by Amnesty International contesting the legal wisdom of executing a man for crimes he committed at age 16 and who suffered from a psychological disorder like MPD/DID.
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April 28, 1998, Lubuk Pakam, Indonesia; Achmad Suradji, 47, sentenced to death for murdering 42 women.

Overview: An Indonesian sorcerer was sentenced to death Monday for murdering 42 women as part of a bizarre attempt to boost his magical powers. The case first came to light in April last year when police, following up a missing person's report, found a body buried in a sugar cane field near Suradji's house. When they went to question the sorcerer, they found women's shoes and handbags. Over the next few weeks, a further 41 bodies were unearthed close to his village. According to the police, Suradji said that he had a dream in 1986 in which the ghost of his father had told him to kill a total of 70 women and then drink their saliva in order to enhance his mystical powers. See, "Sorcerer to die for 42 murders", The Daily Telegraph, April 28, 1998 and "Witch Work; How an Indonesian lured 42 women to their death", Asiaweek, June 13, 1997
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May 1997, J. P. v. CLARENCE CARTER, COMMISSIONER OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES; Record No. 1168-96-4 COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA 24 Va. App. 707; 485 S.E.2d 162; 1997 Va.App. LEXIS 310, Decided. True Finding of child molestation affirmed.

Overview: A 13 yr. old female minor was found to have molested two children in the context of satanic ritual ceremony while she was babysitting them. The kids reported to their parents and investigators that: "...[appellant] had undressed and fondled [one child] on these two different occasions, performed oral sodomy, had [him] touch her breast and sat on top of [him] and quote "hurt his penis." [Appellant] allegedly had [the other child] draw a pentagram and circle and told [him] this is where to love Satan while she fondled his penis. . . [The children's mother] said the boys reported that [appellant] talked of Satan's power and that she would kill them and their parents if they told anyone what happened. This minor's name was submitted to the central registry as a founded sexual abuser.
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July 1997, Eddie Lee Sexton v. State of Florida, No. 86,132

Trial court imposed the death penalty for murder. Remanded back to Court because testimony needlessly inflamed the jury. The criminal trial was continued until August 1998. After the second trial, Eddie Lee Sexton was found guilty and sentenced to death again on Nov. 18, 1998.

Overview: Sexton was convicted and sentenced to death for the participation in the murder of his son-in-law. The court notes Sexton moved to Florida in 1993 with his family and the victim to avoid arrest and prevent authorities in Ohio from removing his children from the home. His infant grandchild, who was the son of the victim and his daughter, died under suspicious circumstances. Sexton objected to the testimony of 5 of his daughters, as cited in the appellate opinion, "that he beat them, conducted 'marriage' ceremonies with his daughters, had regular sex with them and fathered several of their children, encouraged his children to have sex with each other, made his sons compare their penis sizes and ridiculed them, practiced Satanism and engaged in other bizarre conduct, threatened his children if they discussed family matters with others, trained his children how to kill FBI agents, engaged in a standoff with police in Ohio shortly before coming to Florida, fled to Florida to prevent his children from being taken into custody, and directed the killing of his infant grandchild."

The States proposed motive for the killing was that Sexton's son-in-law knew Sexton was the father of his own "grandchildren." The prosecution wanted prior bad acts admitted to show the control this man had over his children. The appeals court thought this testimony needlessly inflamed the jury and so ordered a new trial. During the second trial, a son, Willie Sexton, said his father convinced him he had Satanic powers and sexually abused him. He also stated that he was tied up to his bed at night when he was a child, and the father gave coins to the other children to call home if anyone spoke about the abuse. See, "Court revisits murder case, son's fears", St. Petersburg
Times, September 2, 1998
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March 1998, STATE OF OHIO, Plaintiff-Appellee -vs.- ESTELLA SEXTON, Defendant-Appellant CASE NOS: 1996CA00306, 1996CA00367 COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO, FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT, STARK COUNTY 1998 Ohio App. LEXIS 1302, Case No. 1995CR00421.

Convictions for Complicity to Rape, Felonious Sexual Penetration, Gross Sexual Imposition, Complicity to Gross Sexual Imposition, and child endangerment. Affirmed.

Overview: This appeal involves the wife of the man described in the above case. In April 1992 M. one of Mrs. Sexton's daughters, alleged that their father was molesting the three oldest daughters. There were 12 children in the family. DHS took six of the children into custody, but three of the children were returned to the mother under an agreement that she would keep the children away from the father. "In December of 1992, Mrs. Sexton fled Ohio with the three children, and reunited with Eddie at a hotel in Kentucky. On January 14, 1994, appellant and Eddie were arrested in Hillsboro County, Florida. The three children were returned to the custody of DHS. While living in Jackson Township, and in a camper in Hillsboro County, Florida, appellant and her husband perpetrated acts of sexual, physical, and mental abuse against all of the children. While living in Jackson Township, K. L. and M. were forced to participate in a wedding ceremony with their father. During the ceremony, Eddie engaged in a French kiss with the girls. Appellant was present, and took pictures of the ceremony."... "In the camper in Florida, appellant and Eddie gave Kim and Chris little red pills and Nyquil to ingest every evening, despite the fact that neither had a cold." The mother and father inflicted "shaving rituals" on the girls. "On one occasion, K. did not ingest the medicine, and saw appellant fondling C's. penis while he was asleep."..."While living in Jackson Township, L. and M. were forced to experience a similar shaving ritual. Lana was taken to the master bedroom for the purpose of punishment. Once inside the room, appellant held L. down, while Eddie shaved her entire body with a razor. While shaving her, Eddie cut her leg, put the blood on her finger, and made her sign a paper, saying that she was selling her soul to the devil."... "C. received beatings from both appellant and Eddie. Eddie would beat C. once or twice a week, while appellant guarded the door. The beatings would often leave bruises. Appellant and Eddie also punished C. by having him stand against the wall for five to six hours, holding a penny against the wall with his nose. During this punishment, C. was not permitted to go to the bathroom. At age twelve, C. was forced to participate in weekend parties involving the family members in which he was given beer to drink."

In a previous appellate opinion describing Mrs. Sexton's case, Ohio vs. Estella Sexton one of the children at that time stated that family members were involved in satanic rituals, invoking spirits, and "baby thingies and things like that."
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November 1997, India; Dharam Vir arrested for the ritual murder of his son.

Overview: A father chopped off his son's head and offered it to the Hindu goddess of destruction, Kali, in a belief that a human sacrifice would earn him divine favors. He ordered his son to lie on the ground and then beheaded him. The police said he murdered his son because he was driven by his own religious beliefs. See, "Man beheads son in Ritual Murder in India", Agence France Presse, November 14, 1997
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July 1997, IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT KNOXVILLE, STATE OF TENNESSEE, Appellee v. CHRISTA GAIL PIKE, Appellant. C.C.A. NO. 03C01-9611-CR-00408 KNOX COUNTY HON. (First Degree Murder-Death Penalty) ON APPEAL FROM THE JUDGMENT OF THE CRIMINAL COURT OF KNOX COUNTY.

Conviction for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit first degree murder affirmed. Death penalty affirmed.

Overview: Pike killed another female she felt rivalry with and carved a pentagram into her chest. The court found that this murder involved torture, and medical experts thought the injuries were inflicted when the victim was still alive. A group of "others" were named who helped her but Pike didn't give information about them. The pentagram she was wearing was admitted as evidence. "A witness stated that as the Defendant described hitting Slemmer in the head with a piece of asphalt and carving a pentagram in her chest, she danced around in a circle, smiling and singing." The psychiatrist involved thought there were satanic elements to the crime but that Pike was just a "dabbler" in Satanism.

A few years later..."A Knox County judge imposed consecutive prison terms Thursday for a young Memphis man who took part in the torture slaying of a Knoxville Job Corps student. Criminal Court Judge Mary Beth Leibowitz said public safety concerns dictate that Tadaryl D. Shipp be imprisoned as long as the law allows. Shipp, 21, had no regard for human life when he helped murder Colleen A. Slemmer, 19, the night of Jan. 12, 1995, the judge said. He treated her with "gross cruelty" while at least partly satisfying an interest in Satanism, Leibowitz said." See, "Orange County woman to die for Tenn. killing," THE_NEWS_&_OBSERVER " and "Judge orders Shipp to serve life in slaying, then another 25-year term " Knoxville News-Sentinel, March 12, 1999
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April 1, 1996 ADOPTION OF QUENTIN & others. SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT OF MASSACHUSETTS; 424 Mass. 882; 678 N.E.2d 1325; 1997 Mass. LEXIS 104 DISPOSITION: Order granting petition to dispense with consent to adoption of three children affirmed.

Overview: Department of Social Services planned to adopt out the parent's children, the parent's appealed and the court briefly describes Social Services case for neglect, sexual molestation and statements of the children. While describing the past history of the father, the court writes: "In 1983, the father joined a religious organization called Orlo Templi Orientis and studied the so-called 'Satanic Bible.' In January, 1984, he was convicted of grave robbing, and sentenced to two months in jail. After release, he returned to his transient life-style, alternating between Los Angeles and San Francisco." "The eldest child, E. was diagnosed as suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder. During an interview with Dr. O'Connell, she stated that "her 'Daddy's a witch;' that 'bad witches took my picture with no clothes on;' that '[Paul, a friend of the father] calls me his girlfriend;' that [Paul] took pictures of her with no clothes on; that [Paul] said not to tell; that she and her mother were tied up together with no clothes on while her father had no clothes on;
and that the witches 'shared weenies' and tried to touch her with their weenies but that she ran away."
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July 1996, In Interest of P.J.M, 926 S.W.2d 223, Missouri Court of Appeals, Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed.

Overview: This self-described satanic family had been in and out of social services for many years. Parental Rights were terminated as to three of the children. There was constant and severe domestic violence; the father continually abused the mother, including using a cattle prod to electrically shock her, shot her with a gun, cut her with a razor blade and violated her with a baseball bat. The mother then claimed she made up the story, although physical evidence was discovered, she had a stab wound in her side and she was bleeding internally. Both parents had been arrested for the rape of a teenager, but the witness wouldn't testify so the charges were dropped. Both parents had tried to commit suicide and were involved in drug usage. The mother admitted to sacrificing animals in front of her children and giving them drugs to forget the ceremonies. The children also stated that this occurred.

December 1996, Damien Wayne Echols and Charles Jason Baldwin v. State of Arkansas, 936 S.W.2d 509, Convictions and sentencing for murder affirmed.

Overview: Echols and Baldwin were jointly tried and convicted for killing three 8 yr. old boys. Their accomplice, Jessie Misskelley, confessed and implicated both Echols and Baldwin in the murders. Misskelley was tried separately. In an appellate opinion dated July 17, 1995 (902 S.W.2d 781) Echols had previously appealed his case but filed a motion specifically waiving all points concerning his death sentence. The appellate court ordered the case back to the lower court to address Echols competency to waive an appeal of the death penalty. Echols finally decided to appeal his death sentence but the sentence was upheld. One jury member received a death threat, another had received a threatening phone call during the trial. In the courts overview of the sufficiency of the evidence arguments, there were detailed descriptions of the three victims bodies, including evidence of forced sex, they'd been beaten and stabbed, and there were injuries to the genital area evidencing forced oral sex. There was evidence of castration regarding child victim, Christopher Byers. "The skin of the penis had been removed, and the scrotal sac and testes were missing."

When asked by police how he thought the boys had been killed, Echols gave them statements not yet publicly known. On the witness stand, Echols testified that he'd read these facts from the newspaper. When the newspapers were shown to him, Echols admitted the information he was referring to was not in them and he didn't get the information in question from the newspaper after all. Two witnesses testified they overheard Echols admit he killed the three boys and that he was going to kill two more. The state thought the killings had been performed in a satanic ritual and an expert witness on the occult gave that opinion also. Echols admitted to being involved in the occult, items in his home included journals that had references to "morbid images, spells, and dead children." His parents had concerns about his involvement in "devil worship". Medical records contained statements by Echols about his belief system: "People are in two classes, sheeps and wolves, and the wolves eat the sheep." He thought he obtained power from drinking the blood of others, especially from his sexual partners. In regards to whether the field of Satanism has scientific validity, the court notes: "Echols next contends that Dr. Griffis should not have been allowed to testify that the murders had the 'trappings of occultism' because there was no testimony that the field of Satanism or occultism is generally accepted in the scientific community. The argument is without merit, as the trial court did not allow the evidence to prove that Satanism or occultism is generally accepted in the scientific community. Rather, the trial court admitted the evidence as proof of the motive for committing the murders." In regards to Jason Baldwin, a witness testified that Baldwin spoke of the murders. "He told me he dismembered the kids, or I don't know exactly how many kids. He just said he dismembered them. He sucked the blood from the penis and scrotum and put the balls in his mouth."
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April 1996, Jessie Lloyd Misskelley, Jr. v. State of Arkansas, 915 S.W.2d 702, Convictions for first and second degree murder affirmed.

Overview: Companion case to the above. Three 8 yr.old boys were brutally murdered, raped, and mutilated in Arkansas by Misskelley and two other accomplices-- Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin. The case against Misskelley was primarily based on his confession and supporting circumstantial evidence. "Misskelley stated he had been involved in a cult for three months, they met in the woods, they engaged in orgies and,as an initiation rite, the killing and eating of dogs. At one cult meeting, he saw a picture that Echols had taken of the three boys. Another witness testified that she had attended a satanic cult meeting with Echols and Misskelley. A doctor offered testimony that the type of cuts in one of the victims genital area required the use of 'skill and precision.'"
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October 1996, Ohio; Nathan Brooks found guilty of the mutilation slaying of his parents and sentenced to two consecutive life terms.

Overview: The 18 yr. old perpetrator decapitated his father and his mother was hacked to death. Brooks told the officers he used the head in a Black mass ritual that he believed would increase his satanic powers. He said he had also planned to kill a younger brother, but the youngster was visiting a friend. See, "Satanic ritual killer sentenced to life," United Press International, October 24, 1996.
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February 1996, Suzanne Hughes v. Department of Social Services Arlington County, Court of Appeals of Virginia, Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed. Record No. 2345-94-4.

Overview: A baby was removed from the custody of the mother after evidence of abuse. The mother was eventually diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder. The child was returned to the mother, but after further incidents of abuse and neglect she was taken into custody again. The mother's counselor testified that the mother stated she was involved with a satanic cult that killed adults and babies, and they had threatened her. She stated she was involved with them since she was 7 yrs. old. She reported members of the cult abducting and raping her. Under cross-examination, the mother was asked about the maternal grandparents failure in reporting her own abuse, and the court was concerned that she was living at the maternal grandfather's home. The trial judge also expressed concern over the continued existence of the satanic cult, appellant's inability to help the police prosecute a member of this cult, appellant's continued residence in the same family home where she had been verbally and physically abused as a small child, and lack of family support that was missing when appellant was an abused child. The appellate court found that the evidence of appellants participation in the cult described was relevant to the proceedings.
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December 1995, Jimmie Lee Penick v. State of Indiana, 659 N.E.2d 484, Conviction for murder and enhanced sentence affirmed

Overview: Four practitioners of Satanism conspired and planned to murder a prospective member of their "Satanic Church." They were concerned that the victim, William Ault, knew about a prior murder. They took him to what he thought was an initiation..."Ault was asked to lay down on a door, which was being used as an altar. Keith Lawrence read an invocation to Satan...Goodwin and the Lawrences also made cuts on Ault's chest and abdomen in the form of an inverted cross, as well as other cuts...Penick's own words describe how the victims chest and abdomen were cut open, how Goodwin tried to cut out victim's heart before he died, and how the victim remained conscious throughout this and responded to questions from the defendant." Aggravators were that Penick dismembered the victims head and hands and Penick admitted he removed the head to give the skull to a friend. Penick's defense was that he acted under the influence of his strong beliefs in Satanism but that he had converted to Christianity while in prison.
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November 15 1995, Steven Brian Alvarado v. State of Texas, 912 S.W.2d 199, Convictions and death sentence affirmed.

Overview: Alvarado killed two people, a mother and son, during a drug deal. A year or so prior to the murder Alvarado had been in the hospital. The psychologist stated he was considered "violent and dangerous and that he had a full-blown antisocial personality disorder."... he had "no concern for the rights of others, and that he admitted selling illegal weapons, abusing and selling illegal drugs, sexually assaulting a woman, mutilating human infants in satanic rituals, and committing numerous other crimes. He was discharged after twelve days in the hospital because he was felt to be a danger to the other patients and that he was not suffering from a mental illness that was treatable, and, therefore under the mental health code had to be discharged."
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August 1995, Edward Bennett v. State of Nevada, 901 P.2d 676, Murder conviction affirmed.

Overview: Bennett was sentenced to death for killing a girl. Writings were seized showing that the murder was "ritualistic and satanic." Some of these statements included: "There's a problem in this country and has a lot to do with being white. There's too many people with ugly skin."... "I need to kill somebody or tear someone apart. I got to satisfy my need, cure this thirst for blood. So as I make the sacrifice by doing it just for you and kill this child, for it is a first born, I'm giving you my soul, Satan. Where is my reward? My thirst for blood is now calm, but it shall rise again. My power is so strong I need to cause some death. For Lucifer's inside of me, and I don't want to let him out. I look in the mirror, I see him in my eyes. I feel his heart beating in my chest, and I know it is not mine. For I feel so privileged for I'm with number one. I'm so f_____powerful and my reigning has just begun as I kill and kill again. I feel my rewards come on. My power's growing even greater. I'm so f___ strong for I am the devil's right-hand man. I carry out his every chore. I make this sacrifice in his name, Lucifer the Great, blood splattered on my face from the kill I've just done.
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July 1995, STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA v. MICHAEL ALAN PARKER, SR. NO. COA94-1045 COURT OF APPEALS OF NORTH CAROLINA 119 N.C. App. 328; 459 S.E.2d 9; 1995 N.C. App. LEXIS 523 July 5, 1995, Filed. Convictions for multiple counts of child molestation affirmed.

Overview: The defendant thought there should be a mistrial for several reasons, one of which was witness testimony that he threatened to bomb the woman's shelter his wife and family were staying at. Appeals court describes children testimony: "... Defendant pulled down S's pants and threw her on the floor and inserted a spoon into her vagina and moved it around. Defendant took blood that was on the spoon, put it in a cup and drank it while the others were standing around singing with lit candles."..."S testified that when defendant took her to the woods behind her grandmother's house and abused her in front of several people holding lit candles, another young girl, A Robinson, "started screaming at first and then she jumped up and she had no clothes on and she started running and her dad jumped up and started chasing after her through the woods." One of the children also described molest by the grandmother. In news articles she's named as the co-defendant. A news article relates that the children testified that Parker raped and sodomized them in the family's trailer near Saluda and in nearby woods, often while other people wearing black pants and white shirts stood around chanting. See, "Dad guilty of Abusing children Sexually, Eight Life Sentences" Greensboro News & Record, Feb. 6, 1994
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June 1995, Athens, Greece; Satanic Cult leader Asimakis Katsoulas and Manos Dimitrokallis were found guilty of kidnapping, raping and murdering a 30 year old woman and a 15 year old girl during occult ceremonies. They were sentenced to life imprisonment. Dimitra Maryetti was found guilty of complicity and sentenced to 23 years.

Overview: Katsoulas and his "high priestess" confessed to leading a 20 member satanic cult, which had conducted animal and human sacrifices for three years. The first victim was killed at her initiation ceremony. Katsoulas claimed he was the vehicle for "ancient demons." Another witness was abducted when the murderers told her they were police officers who wanted to question her. See, "Two young men confess to Rape, Murder of two women as part of a satanic cult ritual, police said"; AP, Dec. 28, 1993 and "Court convicts, sentences two to life terms for murder", AP, June 30, 1995.
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December 1994, IN THE MATTER OF: Heather BARKER, NEGLECTED CHILD, COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO, Case No. 441 SEVENTH APPELLATE DISTRICT, HARRISON COUNTY, LEXIS 6100, Juvenile Court Decision to Grant Permanent Custody to DHS Affirmed

Overview: At the age of 5, Heather was taken into custody by DHS due to physical injuries to her genital area. Cumulative testimony proved to the court that she'd been sexually molested by clear and convincing evidence, although there wasn't any obvious perpetrator to hold accountable. The mother was cited for neglect and was given 18 months reunification services but they did not alleviate the problems which brought the child into custody. Social Services didn't think the mother could protect the child. The child was prone to "trance-like" states after unsupervised visits with the mother and other unusual behavior. A treating psychologist and social worker thought the child had been ritually sexually abused based on her statements. A trial took place contesting these matters and the court amended the abuse complaint, based on clear and convincing evidence, to a finding of neglect as well.
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April 1994, In Re: Chrystal and Tasha, Superior Court of Connecticut, Juvenile Matters, Lexis 1061. Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed

Overview: Appellate opinion cites that these children were in several placements over a period of 4 years after a finding of neglect in juvenile court. The mother was in and out of prison due to drug usage and sales. One of the children had been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder and had been subjected to Satanism. It was not clear whether the incidents took place with the biological mother or in the foster homes the child was in over the years where allegations of abuse had been confirmed. Further exploration revealed that the child connected terrifying experiences in a ritualistic, abusive church and sexual abuse with her biological mother. Contact with her mother was suspended when the child began exhibiting negative behaviors after visitations or after other types of communication.
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March 1994, State of North Carolina v. Patrick S. Figured, 446 S.E.2d 838, Convictions affirmed for first-degree sexual offenses involving 3 children.

Overview: Figured had entered an Alford Plea of guilty to all three charges. The state agreed to dismiss charges against his girlfriend, Sonja Hill. The DA reindicted Sonja Hill and on April 15, 1991 wanted his guilty plea set aside on the grounds the DA had violated the agreement. The motion was granted. On March 9 1992, a grand jury re-indicted Figured and he was convicted of all charges. A news article reports that parents of two of these victims filed a civil suit against Sonja Hill and her mother who ran the daycare center. The parents alleged that their children had been forced to participate in Satan worship while being abused. The kids spoke of having to drink blood, their abusers burned Bibles and wore masks and capes. Hill and her mother did not answered the lawsuit, and a Johnston County jury awarded a $10.5 million judgment to the parents who didn't believe they'd ever collect the money but wanted other people to know that these acts do occur. See, "Johnston couple win child sex abuse suit" News and Observer, Mar 27, 1990
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Dec. 1993, Washington D.C, United States. On December 27, 1993, U.S. News and World Report cited that the Justice Dept. was reinvestigating the "Finders case."

The news article mentions that some of the unresolved questions are allegations that the Finders Group are linked to the Central Intelligence Agency and whether or not the investigation into their activity had been closed inappropriately.

Overview: "The many unanswered questions about the Finders case now have Democratic Rep. Charlie Rose of North Carolina, Chairman of the House Administration committee, and Florida's Rep. Tom Lewis, a Republican, more than a little exercised. "Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That's what all the evidence points to," says Lewis, and there's a lot of evidence."... "Law enforcement sources say some of the Finders are listed in the FBI's classified counterintelligence files."

As background, in early Feb. 1987 six children were taken into custody in Tallahassee, Florida. Two men were charged with child abuse, but charges were dropped. The men said the children were "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children" Their mothers were located in a group called the Finders. At the same time, Washington, D.C., police and U.S. Customs Service agents raided a duplex apartment building and a warehouse connected to the group. Customs Reports cite that among the evidence seized were detailed instructions on obtaining children for unknown purposes around the world, child trafficking, instructions to keep the above six children moving and how to avoid detection, several photographs of nude children that appeared to "accent" the child's genitals; photographs of children involved in animal rituals, an altar, jars of urine and feces, and a staging area, all of which appeared to the Custom's Agents as an "indoctrination" center. Custom's agents were told to drop their investigation because it had become a "CIA internal matter" and that is documented in their report.

"Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted." See, "Officials Describe 'Cult Rituals' in Child Abuse Case", The Washington Post, Feb. 7, 1987 and, "Through a glass, very darkly: Cops, spies and a very odd investigation," U.S. News and World Report,
December 27, 1993/January 3, 1994
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November 1993, COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA v. RICKIE JAY GADDIS, Appellant NO. 00561 PITTSBURGH, 1993 SUPERIOR COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA 432 Pa. Super. 523; 639 A.2d 462; 1994 Pa. Super. LEXIS 963, Argued March 22, 1994

Overview: In the judges own words, "These consolidated appeals are taken from the judgments of sentence imposed on February 9, 1993. Appellant was found guilty in two separate trials of more than 150 counts of aggravated assault, 18 Pa.C.S. ¤ 2702; recklessly endangering another person, ¤ 2705; terroristic threats, ¤ 2706; endangering the welfare of children, ¤ 4304; corruption of minors, ¤ 6301; false imprisonment, ¤ 2903; simple assault, ¤ 2701; prohibited offensive weapons, ¤ 908; rape, ¤ 3121; statutory rape, ¤ 3122; involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, ¤ 3123; aggravated indecent assault, ¤ 3125; indecent exposure, ¤ 3127; incest, ¤ 4302; and criminal conspiracy, ¤ 903.

Overview: "These charges arose from the horrific sexual, physical and emotional abuse and neglect by appellant, Rickie Jay Gaddis, of his minor children." Gaddis was sentenced to 235 years (plus) in prison. The appellate court affirmed his sentence but vacated his fine. There had been concern he was going to capitalize on his crimes by selling a book. The police stated at the time that the children were subjected by their parents and neighbors to ritualistic torture that included bloodlettings with a sword, satanic ceremonies, hot needles under their fingernails, sodomy, stretching and tattooing. See, "Pa. couple is charged with torturing children; Police say neighbors also took part in abuse", The Atlanta Journal and Constitution, November 26, 1991; and "Pennsylvania Couple Charged With Brutalizing Their Children," The Washington Post, November 26, 1991: and "Parents charged with Torturing their Children", Associated Press, Nov. 25, 1991
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November 1992, Austin, Texas; People of Texas v. Frances and Daniel Keller, Case #924217, Convicted for aggravated sexual assault on a child; Sentenced to 48 years. Both cases upheld on appeal No. 3-92-603-CR, and No. 3-92-604-CR on Oct 26, 1994.

Overview: News articles chronicling the trial cited more than one child thought to be abused at "Fran's Day Care" in Austin, Texas, operated by the Keller's, but this particular case cites their conviction of only one child, while news reports say other charges with other children are pending. Tears were found in the child's vagina. Douglas Wayne Perry, the ex-husband of one of the two other alleged perpetrators who were former deputy constables, confessed that he, along with the constables and the Kellers, engaged in "beer and sex parties, during which several children were sexually assaulted by the adults while photographs were taken." He recanted his confession but then pleaded guilty to a charge of indecency with a child. He confessed to tearing a head off a doll and threatening the children that if they told, their heads would come off the same way. The children described ritual acts, being terrorized in a graveyard, seeing animals killed and bodies dug up and mutilated with a chainsaw.

A 6-yr-old child, who also claimed to be a victim, testified on the behalf of the 3 1/2 year old and called Fran's Day Care, "Fran's Hate Care." The defense lawyers used videos showing some the younger child recanting, saying the abuse never happened, to try to undermine the case. The parents claimed that one of the perpetrators was flashing threatening hand signals during the child's testimony. The defense also stated that the claims were "too outlandish to be believed" because the children also spoke of going on airplane rides and seeing a baby killed. A child led an investigator to a graveyard where they found animal bones. Parents of two children, who said they were abused, have filed a civil suit holding three people accountable (the three described above) for not reporting the abuse. Another mother said "I put my son in a mental hospital as a result of this abuse (by the Kellers), and it's only been through over a year of intensive psychotherapy that he's begun to partially heal." See, "6-yr-old testifies he witnessed abuse of girl", Nov. 24, 1992 , and "Kellers found guilty of sexual assault", Nov. 26, 1992, Austin American Statesman
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October 1992, Earnest v. State, Supreme Court of Georgia, 422 S.E.2d 188, Conviction for murder affirmed.

Overview: Earnest was convicted of malice murder. A self-described high priest of a satanic cult performed a satanic ritual over the female victim. Evidence of Satan worship and evidence of the cult's involvement in church vandalisms was admissible as evidence as to motive for the crime.
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September 1992, Eastland County, Texas. The STATE OF TEXAS VS. PHIL STANLEY ROGERS; Case No. 18, 738; Charged and pleaded guilty to "Indecency with a child, younger than 17 years, committed during the course of a ritual." Jury sentence - 99 years.

Overview: A news report [no date yet], cites that the rituals began with the purchase of a Ouija board. Items taken as evidence included books covering satanic topics, pentagram symbols, candles, daggers and wands.
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April 1992, In the Matter of the Welfare of J. M. P., C9-91 -1899, COURT OF APPEALS OF MINNESOTA, Lexis 436. Termination of Parental Rights Affirmed.

Overview: By the mother's own admission, her past included "years of sexual and physical abuse, parental neglect, early and long-standing addiction to numerous drugs, serious mental health problems, and involvement in a satanic cult." Her child was taken into custody after two hospitalizations due to overdosing. The mother was involved in four incidents, three involving criminal convictions, which caused harm to children, including J.M.P. The mother tried to commit suicide, and was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.
March 1992, Orlando, Florida; Margie Wright pleaded no contest to three charges of attempted sexual battery and two charges of attempted lewd acts and was sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison. Jim Wright was convicted of raping and fondling five children.

Overview: Three news articles describing the case cite that this couple were charged with molesting children in the context of satanic rituals. The parents of three of the victims moved residences and the prosecutor expressed concern because the children had been threatened by the cult not to testify. The victim's parents met the Wrights through their Church. The children reported that they saw Wright sacrifice a stray dog, slit its throat and stomach and remove some entrails. Sheriff's investigators found the dog's skeleton near the Wright's trailer. The Wright's molested children during their "Magic Show." The victims said he pulled a gun out of a hat and made their underwear disappear. They stated that Jim Wright put a "bad curse" on them and said "devil words." The children described satanic symbols, chalices filled with blood and a box containing a corpse. They had been told not to tell or their parents would be killed. Maggie Wright testified against her husband while she pleaded no contest to reduced charges. See, "Convict's Wife Sentenced for Trying to Molest Kids", Orlando Sentinel Tribune, May 9, 1992; "A Family Fears That Satanic Cult will try to Silence their Sons," Orlando Sentinel Tribune, August 10, 1991; "Child Abuse Suspect Trades
Testimony for Lesser Charges", Orlando Sentinel Tribune, January 31, 1992
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January 1992, THE STATE OF WASHINGTON V. Paul Ross Ingram, NO. 13613-9-II Division Two, Confession to sexual molestation and 20 yr. exceptional sentence affirmed.

Overview: Paul Ingram, former Thurston County chief civil deputy sheriff and 16-year law enforcement officer, was arrested November 28, 1988 following allegations of sexual abuse made by his daughters, then about 18 and 22 years old. Ingram waived his right to counsel and made incriminating statements. After six months of further investigation and interrogation, Ingram was charged by amended information with six counts of rape in the third degree, three counts per daughter covering July through October 1988. He tried to withdraw his guilty plea but that was denied.

Note: It's been widely reported (by the officer's involved) that Ingram also confessed to ritually abusing his children in the context of satanic ceremony, which his daughters also claimed took place. Richard Ofshe of the FMSF tried to talk Ingram out of his confession by claiming he confessed in a "trance-like" state and "proved" that by suggesting to Ingram a case scenario which very well could have happened. In reality, Ofshe's experiment was not proof of "false memories" or proof of a false confession, and the court rejected these claims. Both Ofshe and Elizabeth Loftus of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation also testified at Ingram's clemency hearing trying to help obtain his release. According to news articles and the Clemency Board Transcripts, Ingram's son also attended that particular hearing and asked the board to keep his father in prison, as did other members of the Ingram family, which the board did. See, "Felons hope for a parting gift from Lowry", Seattle Times, Dec. 12, 1996
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Feb 1992, San Francisco, California; Michael A. Aquino, Plaintiff-Appellant v. Michael P.W. Stone, Secretary of the Army, 957 F.2d 139, 768 F.Supp. 529 - Dismissal of lawsuit affirmed.

Overview: Michael Aquino, the founder of a Satanist group, Temple of Set, was a Lt. Col in the Army Active Reserves. After the Presidio Day Care case, he sued the Army after they "titled" him under an investigatory report for indecent acts with a child, sodomy, conspiracy, kidnapping, and false swearing, and for his dismissal from the active reserves. The documents state:

"Aquino contends that evidence collected by the Army CID did not justify its creating an investigation report titled under his name and that those involved with the investigation were motivated to remove him from the Army because he is the founder of the Temple of Set, a Satanist religion."

"Aquino filed suit in the district court under the Privacy Act, U.S.C 552a(g) to compel the Army to amend the investigatory report about him and for damages resulting from his discharge from the service, which he attributes to the inaccurate records about him.

"{1} In 1990 a continuation board of the Army Reserve recommended discontinuing Aquino's service in the Reserve, and he was processed out of the Army."

Aquino was never criminally charged and the Army released its report and titled him 3 months after the criminal statute of limitations ran. Aquino's lawsuit against the Army was dismissed.

Note: Aquino claims to have received a Meritorious Certificate from the Army in 1994.

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Sept. 1988, Santa Rosa, Calif; People v. Daryl T. Ball, Court No. 14750-C, Pleaded no contest to lewd and lascivious acts with 6 child victims.

Overview: The case involved brutal sexual assault of these children in the context of a "devil worship club." The two main culprits, Charlotte Thrailkill and Daryl Ball, were caught and sentenced to prison. The Criminal Investigative Division of the Army interviewed some of these same children in their "titling" investigation of Michael Aquino of the Temple of Set. (Case above). This case was described by the prosecutor as involving multi-victims/perpetrators and ritual abuse, although Ball and Thrailkill were the only ones charged. The prosecutor described the extreme terror the children experienced and the difficulty for them to testify. During the 18 month preliminary hearing, the children testified that they were threatened to keep quiet or the perpetrators would eat their mothers hearts and make them eat it. They described being given injections (or were bled), and being tied up. Daryl Ball threatened witnesses to keep them from testifying. The children also described being molested while being filmed with a banner in the background reading "Super Duper Child Molest Day." They were forced to watch the video of their own molest afterwards. A plea bargain was struck, reportedly to spare the kids from having to testify further.

**In Sept. 1998, Charlotte Thrailkill was declared a violent sexual molest predator--the first female to have that distinction in California. See, "Thrailkill a sexual predator, Ex-SR woman first in state with designation", Santa Rosa Press Democrat, Sept. 9, 1998
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July 1991, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Jason L. Enders,
et al, 407 Pa. Superior Ct. 201, Conviction Affirmed.

Overview: Defendants were convicted of false imprisonment stemming from their participation in a Satanic cult ritual. Victim stated he wanted nothing to do with them but he was forcibly taken to an abandoned barn and tied to stakes in the ground over a pentagram drawn in the dirt. A satanic ritual was performed over him. He had a leather collar with nails placed around his neck. One of the defendants punctured his neck by pressing on the nails and placed his fingers in the victim's blood and then to his lips. He was released after being warned he'd be killed if he told anyone. The appellate court stated admitting evidence of belief in and involvement in Satanism at the time was relevant and probative. Skulls and books were taken from their homes as evidence.
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April 1991, Montana. State of Montana v. Leon Lloyd Whitcher, 810 P2d 751, Conviction Affirmed.

Overview: A 30 yr. old self-described "high priest" of a satanic cult had sexual intercourse with a 14 yr. old without consent. Prior to the assault, he asked her a series of questions about initiation into his satanic cult, whether she wanted "power," and if she'd "obey a high priest." He told her to change into a black robe, lie down, and stare at a pentagram painted on the ceiling before he assaulted her.
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March 1991, STATE MISSOURI v. THERON REED ROLAND COURT OF APPEALS OF MISSOURI, WESTERN DISTRICT, No. WD 40883, 808 S.W.2d 855, STATE OF MISSOURI, RESPONDENT, First degree murder conviction affirmed.

Overview: According to Roland, he murdered his friend after becoming involved in Satanism, began using drugs, and listening to groups like "Megadeth" that "advocated sexual and physical violence." He began hallucinating, practiced self-mutilation, tortured and killed animals and "chanted" to Satan for power. He developed a mentor relationship with another teen Satanist and they both decided to sacrifice Steve Newberry by clubbing him to death. Roland believed this human sacrifice would "cause Satan to appear and give them power." Roland wanted the defense expert on the occult to testify about the effects of Satanism on the mind. The court let the expert testify to other aspects of the occult but didn't feel that he was qualified to testify on psychiatric aspects of the case.
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Oct 89, People of the State of Illinois, v. Andrew Kokoraleis, No. 65229, Supreme Court of Illinois, 547 N.E.2d 202. Conviction for murder and death penalty affirmed.

Overview: Four members of a satanic cult, including Robin Gecht, were perpetrators in a series of gruesome murders, rituals, and acts of cannibalism over a number of years.

"Thomas Kokoraleis told investigators that the room had contained an altar, made from a board covered with red cloth, where cult members cut up animal parts, and sometimes human parts, for sacrifice. See, "GRUESOME CLUES LED TO AN ALTAR IN AN ATTIC", Chicago Tribune, October 12, 1987
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Dec. 17, 1990, Conviction for first degree murder perpetrated by torture affirmed; No. C-92-1523 EFL UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 19425 - habeas petition denied; June 1985, San Francisco, Calif., People v. Cliff St. Joseph, 226 Cal. App. 3d 289,

Overview: A body was discovered in San Francisco, California on June 15, 1985. "John Doe" had multiple stab wounds, genital injuries, and a pentagram had been carved into his chest. The court notes that there was "substantial evidence" that it was a sadistic, ritualistic human sacrifice consisting of whipping with a chain, slashing the victim's lips, dripping wax into the victim's eyes, burning and carving the victim's flesh with a knife, multiple stabbings, tying the limbs with guitar wire, and genital mutilations. The identity of the victim was never established. The case was solved when the police arrested 4 people for disturbing the peace, one of whom was a Ricky Hunter. Hunter claimed St. Joseph and the others had held him against his will and assaulted him; there was talk of satanic worship and the other three people had been speaking of "sacrificing" him. One of the offenders stated he had been present when St. Joseph had "John Doe" in his home and he helped St. Joseph dispose of the murdered victim described above. The court found that there was sufficient evidence proving that the injuries had been inflicted on the victim while he was still alive. The Coroner testified that some of the wounds inflicted were consistent with sadomasochistic practices, but the Court made a point of highlighting that the manner in which the victim was murdered, along with inferred intent, indicated that this was a ritualistic sacrifice.
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February 1990, Utah. STATE of Utah v. Alan B. HADFIELD, 788 P2d 506 Convictions for sodomy and child molest; remanded back to court for evidentiary hearing.

Overview: A. Hadfield was convicted of sodomy and sexual abuse of his children after his children testified against him. He appealed based on claims of "newly discovered evidence." This was an allegation by a paralegal who stated that the therapist involved in counseling his children and others in this Mormon community was the common factor in these cases, and inferred that the therapist was responsible for the allegations. The appellate opinion cites that at "least fifteen adults and fifteen children were identified as participants in various unusual sexual activities, including instances of group abuse of children by adults. The activities described by the children involved satanic ritual, costumes and masks, photography equipment, men dressing in women's clothing, and frequent episodes of playing with and consuming human excrement. A specific instance of abuse related to Dr. Snow by W. and described by her at trial for example, involved defendant's removing feces from Ex.'s rectum with a spoon and forcing him to play with it." The appellate court remanded the case back to court for an evidentiary hearing if the affidavit by the paralegal had merit.

Note: According to the prosecutor, the judge reviewed the information and found that there was no evidence to support the claims of the paralegal. Alan Hadfield's conviction still stands and he was released from probation in 1998.
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April 1989, Harold Glenn Smith v. The State of Texas, No. B14-86-00659-CR, Lexis 794, Conviction for murder affirmed.

Overview: A group tricked one of their friends into accompanying them to a cemetery where they tortured him. A witness testified that Smith compared the planned murder of his victim with animal sacrifice rituals he had carried out before. The prosecution presented evidence of his satanic belief system.
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1989, New York. Monika Beerle, a dancer in New York was dismembered by her boyfriend, Daniel Rakowitz. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity but was sent to a mental institution. In 1992, Randy Charles Easterday, 27, was charged as a participant in the crime.

Overview: Reportedly, Monika's boyfriend was involved in a satanic cult and he had served a human finger in soup to homeless people. News report states, "the group to which Rakowitz and Easterday belonged has been identified by NY Newsday as a cult of devil worshipers who operated out of the Church of the Realized Fantasy. Police sources claimed they butchered her in a ritual sacrifice and a satanic offering." See, "New arrest in Swiss dancer slaying raises cult specter.", UPI, Feb. 18,1992 and "Acquitted 'cannibal killer' to stay put", UPI, Oct. 25, 1995
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November 1989, Gibreville, Gabon. Mba Ntem was found guilty and sentenced to death for murder and leading cannibalism rites.

Overview: Several members of this religious cult were found guilty of aiding in "cannibalism ceremonies by serving human flesh to worshippers." A victim's mutilated remains were found in another town, and a photo was published of the high priest with a knife in his teeth and a jar containing pieces of a victim's tongue in his manacled hands. In the ceremony led by Ntem, members of the cult ate the victim's stomach, liver, heart, lungs, tongue and genitals in what their leader called a "sacred plate." Some of the worshippers were unaware of the contents, Ntem told the court. The court prohibited other details from being released. The news article states that "Animism" is a loose religious belief popular in central Africa and other parts of the word that a spirit or force resides in every animate and inanimate object. See, "Death Sentence for High Priest in Cannibalism Trial," Associated Press, November 26, 1989.
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December 1988, State of Ohio. v. John L. Fryman, Case No. CA87-10-125, Lexis 5296, Conviction for murder affirmed.

Overview: Fryman took a woman to his "sorcery room where he had erected an altar for satanic worship". He shot her. The next day he cut off the woman's legs above the knees and disposed of them behind an old church. The rest of the body was never found. Fryman claimed that he had killed her because she had insulted him by bringing another magician to his trailer, and that he disposed of her legs behind the church because "it was the place he practiced magic. By throwing her legs there he increased the power of that spot."
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November 1988, Singapore. Three cult members hanged for
murder

Overview: Adrian Lim, 46, his wife, Tan Mui Choo, 34, and his girlfriend Hoe Kah Hong, 33, were convicted in 1983 of murdering Agnes Ng Siew Heok, eight, and Ghazali Marzuki, 10, in 1981. The three perpetrators belonged to a cult that believed sacrificing children could bring good luck. The three drank the children's blood after suffocating them in a bathtub. Another news report writes that the "macabre ritualistic killings included drinking the children's blood, trances, and electric shock 'treatments.'" See, "Three Singaporeans Hanged for Cult Murder of Children", Reuters, November 25, 1988 and "Three hanged in Singapore for ritual killings" UPI, Nov 25, 1988
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July 1988, New York, In the Matter of DANIEL "DD" et al., Alleged to be Abused and Neglected Children, 530 N.Y.S.2d 314, July 7, 1988. Finding of Neglect Affirmed.

Overview: The mother was appealing an order from Family Court finding she had neglected her children. She had allowed visitations to continue between the father and his girlfriend even though she knew that the girlfriends children had been removed from the home for sexual abuse, and she did not question the situation until the father and girlfriend were arrested on sexual abuse charges. Social Services had investigated the case. All children had been forced by threats of physical abuse to "engage in acts of sexual intercourse...among themselves and with adults." In addition, they described participation in forced acts of bestiality, as well as involvement in satanic rituals involving the sacrifice of animals and the drinking of blood. The court cites there was evidence that the mother may have been involved in these activities as well.
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August 1986, State of Maine v. Scott Waterhouse. 513 A.2d 862, Murder conviction affirmed

Overview: Waterhouse was convicted for the murder of a 12 yr. old girl. Evidence of Satanism and excerpts from the "Satanic Bible" were admitted at trial for purposes of showing motive and intent. During taped conversations with detectives, Waterhouse described his beliefs about sex and destruction rituals.
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March 1986, Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Carl H. Drew, 489 N.E.2d 1233, Murder conviction affirmed.

Overview: Drew was convicted of the first degree murder of one of his satanic cult members in Fall River. The victim, Karen Marsden, was identified by a portion of the skull, clumps of hair, clothing, and jewelry. Evidence was admitted describing Marsden and another woman who worked for Drew as prostitutes. Another prostitute, Doreen Levesque was killed. According to witness testimony... "the killing was performed as a diabolic ritual during which the soul of Marsden was purportedly given to Satan." Earlier, Marsden had tried to sever relationship with the cult. Drew threatened to kill her on several occasions, which he finally did. "Murphy dragged Marsden by the throat and hair into the woods. As she did this, the defendant walked alongside while Fletcher and Davis followed close behind. Murphy and the defendant then began striking Marsden with rocks. After further brutalizing Marsden, the defendant ordered Murphy to slit Marsden's throat and Murphy complied. The defendant then tore the head from the body and kicked it." Drew later told another person that he had killed Marsden because "she wanted to leave the cult and that he wanted her to feel pain." The court specifically stated Drew's involvement in Satanism and the victim's desire to leave the cult was evidentially important to detail the context of the crime to the jury, as opposed to viewing the murders as just random acts of violence.
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February 1986, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, v. Frank G. Costal, Jr., 505 A.2d 337, Murder conviction affirmed.

Overview: Expert testimony regarding Satanism and mind control was admitted into the court record to explain the killings of a mother and her 4 yr. old daughter. The killings appeared to be in retaliation for the mother's interference in a drug deal and homosexual relationship between her husband and Costal. The state submitted evidence that the murders were performed in a "ritualistic manner." The victims were stabbed in a similar fashion, in the same pattern. Ceremonial robes, books, posters, plastic skulls and bats, and marriage licenses drawn up by Costal and signed by him as a "high priest" of Satan were seized from his apartment. A witness testified that Costal told him of attendance at human sacrifices and that 17 was the number of stab wounds required at these ritualistic killings.
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December 1983, Detroit, Michigan. Arzell Jones was convicted of first-degree criminal sexual conduct, single counts of kidnapping and using a firearm during a felony. Linda Greene was convicted of two counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct.

Overview: Arzell Jones, a private investigator, and Linda Greene, a Detroit policewoman, were convicted of sexually assaulting a 31-year-old woman who was held for more than three days and forced to take part in satanic rituals. The prosecutor stated the woman was a victim of some "cultism, some ultimate psychological warfare". See, "Judge Says Victim was Subjected to 'Reign of Terror' Man, Policewoman Guilty of Sexual Assault in Satanic Rituals," Detroit Free Press, December 3, 1983.
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May 1982, William Smith v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 436 N.E.2d 377, Immunity for witness was affirmed..

Overview: William Smith contested immunity for witness who was to testify against him for a murder. The appellate opinion states "these murders were among a series of ritual killings performed in the Fall River area by members of a Satanic cult ...The witness described the ritual that accompanied the murder, and named various participants." The witness also recanted
several times before finally testifying.
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September 1979, Philippines. A couple were charged with murder for "eating" two brothers..

Overview: Police reported that a couple, whose names were not disclosed, belonged to a sect which believed that cannibalism confers supernatural powers. The brothers were kidnapped from a city 650 miles from Manila. They were allegedly beheaded by members of the sect, then photographs of the beheadings were taken by a leader of the cult and sent to the widow of one of the victims. Officials stated it took a long time to bring charges because witnesses were too fearful of testifying due to fears of reprisals by the cannibal sect. See, "A man and his wife have been charged by Philippines police with eating two brothers." Reuters, September 20, 1979
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This archive was compiled by "Karen Curio Jones". If there are any corrections or updates that need to be made, please contact karen.jones@mailcity.com

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Richard Desmond (http://www.whale.to/b/richard_desmond.html)
Hugh Hefner (http://www.whale.to/b/playboy_h.html)
David Gold (http://www.whale.to/b/david_gold.html)
Ford (http://www.whale.to/b/ford1.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 07:56 PM
Bohemian Grove

JBoy
11-09-2010, 09:35 AM
The 13 Bloodlines: 1.Astor (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/astor.html) 2. Bundy (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bundy.html) 3. Collins (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/collins.html) 4. DuPonts (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/duponts.html) 5. Freeman (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/freeman.html) 6.Kennedy (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/kennedy.html) 7. Li (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/li.html) 8. Onassis (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/onassis.html) 9. Reynolds (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/reynolds.html)
10. Rockefeller (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/rockefeller.html) 11. Rothschild (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/rothschild.html) 12. Russell (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/russell.html) 13. Van Duyn (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/van.html)
European Royal Families: Merovingian (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/merovingian.html)
Interconnected families: Krupp (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/krupps.html) Disney (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/disney.html) McDonald (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/mcdonald.html)

JBoy
11-09-2010, 10:28 AM
Bohemian Grove

JBoy
11-09-2010, 03:42 PM
Mass Graves Of Children Found Near Montreal; Another Duplessis Orphan Tells Of Being Tortured As A Child In CIA Experimentaion Programs Using Nazi Doctors
Pierre Sampson, now 60, is calling for justice an an open investigation to stop the murder of innocent children in government sponsored child experimentation programs. More than 50,000 children said to be illegally experimented but crooked officials on both sides of the border blocking investigation.
13 Apr 2006 By Greg Szymanski

Another Duplessis Orphan has come forward with horror stories, including electro shock therapy, straight jacket sessions and mind altering drugs injections after being subjected to illegal government experimentation programs as a young child.

Pierre Sampson, 60, of Vancouver, Canada endured the torturous treatment for six long years until at the age of 14 when he finally escaped.

But thousands of other Duplessis Orphans weren’t as lucky, as investigators recently uncovered a mass grave outside of Montreal where the bones of hundreds of children are buried in a mass grave.

Called the “pigsty” since the grave site is located next to a hog farm, Rod Vienneau, whose wife was also a child victim, said a push is now underway to exhume the bodies with strong resistance from governments on both side of the border, both denying any involvement in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary.

“I have been researching this atrocity for more than 10 years since my wife went public about being abused as one of the orphans,” said Rod Vienneau this week on Greg Szymanski’s radio show, The Investigative Journal, regarding the Duplessis Orphans, who may number more than 50,000 and named after former Prime Minister Maurice Duplessis, a key figure in the child experimentation cover-up.

“We have documentation proving the link among with the CIA, the United States government and the Canadian government, all of them willing accomplices to the illegal experimentation of children.

“Thousands of children have died, thousands of others have endured great suffering and there remains about 3,000 surviving victims we know about who are still seeking justice. What’s even more astonishing is that the illegal experimentation is still taking place while we speak.”

Sampson, who went public for the first time in the United States on The Investigative Journal, is one of tens of thousands of children who were reduced to experimental guinea pigs by unscrupulous doctors, some known Nazi war criminals in a CIA program starting in the 1950’s

Recently, a Canadian high court in 2004 awarded damages to adult mind control victims in a related case, pinning the CIA with responsibility as well as their unscrupulous doctors, including Dr. Ewin Cameron.

For a further look at Dr. Cameron’s nefarious activities, a book called The Most Dangerous Game traces the history of top-secret CIA mind control operation MK-ULTRA: from the covert importation of NAZI scientists at the end of WWII, to the illegal brainwashing experiments conducted on the patients of psychiatric researcher, Dr Cameron

The same type of testing Dr Cameron and others performed on adults is now being traced to innocent children, as advocates for the Duplessis Orphans contend their evil knows no age limits.

Regarding Sampson’s personal story, he said at the age of six he was transferred from a Catholic orphanage to a mental institution even though he was both mentally and physically sound as church and civil authorities overnight changed his paperwork, indicating he was mentally ill.

“After researching what happened,” said Sampson, who also appeared this week on The Investigative Journal. “The Church made a deal with the government to turn over perfectly healthy children in return for money, giving the doctors the ability to experiment at will since we were all considered insane.

“To this day my records haven’t been changed. Although I have never been mentally ill, my records still haven’t been changed.”

The link Sampson makes between the infiltrated Catholic Church and corrupted civil authorities is disturbing, indicating a consolidation of corruption not only in government but extending all the way to Rome and beyond.

According to Vienneau and Sampson, this inhumane treatment was accomplished with the full authority, cooperation and funding of the American and Canadian governments together with corrupted elements of the Catholic Church, one of the government’s main suppliers of children used like experimental guinea pigs.

“I hope one day we can get justice and remove this evil element of people from the continent,” said Vienneau. “How can we live in a society and trust a government who is killing our own children? These people will never admit to what they done and the only thing we can do is gather enough support among good people to have these corrupted leaders removed.”

Vienneau also outlined what his main motives are in seeking justice for his wife, Sampson and the many other children abused by the illegal experimentation programs.

“Criminal acts: Horrific criminal acts were done to thousands of innocent children here on Canadian soil ranging from murders, tortures; disappearance of children; lobotomy's and experimental drugs and falsely labeling thousands of innocent young children from 1935 to 1975 and nobody has yet been held accountable for these free criminal acts done to the Duplessis orphans.

“Thousands of orphans were falsely labeled mentally ill, and today, this label still hangs heavy on the orphans shoulders, This label has not yet been erased, this alone is a criminal act.

“The Quebec government, the College of Physicians of Quebec; the Roman Catholic church of Quebec; the Quebec Public Trustee;(Guardianship) and the federal government of Canada and America have not yet acknowledged the harm done to thousands of young children here in Quebec.

“Constitutional Rights : The Quebec government took away the Duplessis orphans rights to defend themselves in a court of law since 1995, all though four members of parliament stated that the orphans could take a lawyer at any time for their case, but it has been 11 years now that many orphans have been trying to get a lawyer for their case but to no avail.

“Lawyer Daniel Lighter, told me flatly that the Duplessis orphans case is locked shut tight since over fifteen years. The Duplessis orphans have no Constitutional rights, it all boils down to a huge cover up.”

For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/)

Editor’s Note: It’s beyond the realm of human comprehension how newspaper owners in the mainstream lack the decency to mount an investigation for the memory of all the dead children and the many others who have suffered at the hands of corrupted politicians and church leaders.

By ignoring this story for more than five decades, major newspaper owners in the United States should be branded as co-conspirators along with the corrupted church leaders and politicians, who all march to the altar in lockstep every Sunday with the blood of the Duplessis Orphans dripping from their dirty hands.
Greg Szymanski

JBoy
11-10-2010, 05:44 AM
Insider Says We're Entering "the Age of Satan"


savethemales.ca - Insider Says We're Entering "the Age of Satan" (http://www.henrymakow.com/entering_the_age_of_satan_says.html)

JBoy
11-12-2010, 06:03 PM
Rothschilds are MAJOR Zionists, as Elders of Zion/Order of Zion.
For the last 2 centuries, Rothschilds strictly marry cousins.
Rothschilds MAJOR bavarian Illuminati, & Carbonarism (Alta Vendita) led by Karl Rothschild.

16 of 18 marriages of Mayer Amschel Rothschilds' grandchildren are contracted to 1st cousins.

The Rothschild, through Israeli-British government proxies, created the steps to create Israel.

The Rothschilds adopted the hexagram/Seal of Solomon (Israeli flag) as their coat of arms. Mayer Amschel Bauer became M.A. Rothschild (Rothschild = red shield [German] = red seal of solomon).

14,000 wars in 5,500 years of 'recorded' history with 10 yrs of REAL, ACTUAL PEACE.

The Rothschilds built the Knesset in Israel
The Rothschilds 'contributed' to the Treaty imposed on Germany to end WWI; they 'contributed' to themselves the German-owned railway system...IN PALESTINE!!!
King David rejected the hexagram, but his son Solomon didn't, whom worshipped Ashtoreth (AKA: star, astarte, chiun, kaiwan, remphan & SATURN).

City of Rome originally called Saturnia (City of Saturn).
Saturn important to Mithra & DRUID 'religion'.

Kuhn, Loeb Co., ran by Rothschilds, funded Mormons.

Rothschilds OWN the Catholic 'church'.

H-core Satanic spin-offs : Sabbatain/Frankism ---> Sabbatai Zevi, Nathan of Gaza, Jacob Frank, Rothschilds.

Victor Rothschild ---> MI-5 (Israeli-Britain Intel.) ---> ORIGINAL member of Rhodes' Round Table Group ---> Rothschilds funded Rhodes.

Rockefellars (Rothschild agents) are Merrano Jews.

Jews + Masons + Intel. agencies + international banking (userers) + Order of Zion + Catholics + Trilateral Commission + CFR + 'New Age' + cults = ROTHSCHILDS

sublimetruth_com
11-13-2010, 08:48 PM
YouTube - New World Order, Freemasonry, Illuminati,CFR or Bilderberg - What is the Truth (1 of 2)

brice_fallsteen
12-05-2010, 04:02 PM
The International Order of Job's Daughters plays an important role in serving the community, visiting hospitals and homes for the elderly to offer friendship to people who might be lonely and sad. They have food drives and other activities to provide for the less fortunate.

Their charity, the Hearing Impaired Kid's Endowment (The HIKE Fund), provides hearing assistive devices for children in need. Popular "hikes for HIKE," provide a special charitable service to communities. Their work with hearing-impaired children has led many local groups, called Bethels, to learn sign language. These young women are rightfully proud to be "kids helping kids! "

LightCraft
12-11-2010, 04:02 PM
I have never known any Mason to be evil. So to answer your question: No.


I am a Master Mason. And I have found the brothers in my lodge to be of the finest caliber and fantastic friends.

LightCraft
12-12-2010, 04:26 AM
And, because you say so, this is so?

Just sharing my observations. Take it any way you like.

Phantom Monkey
12-12-2010, 08:12 AM
This thread stinks of liars.
I can smell a rat from a mile ahead.
Oh so the Freemasons donate, they do charity?
Please. Lucky Luciano also done charity. So did John Gotti.
Have you not read the laws of power?
Cover you asses by giving away some charity? You make me laugh.
You are corrupt to the bone.
So, whats the deal with that?
John Gotti done charity, was he a good guy?

Give it to me, come on, lets see what kind of manure comes out of you little pie holes...

moondoggy2
12-13-2010, 07:58 AM
I don't believe The Masons are entirely evil. They just know what they want, and will do just about anything to achieve that. The ends justifies the means, right?

JBoy
12-25-2010, 03:54 PM
No Room In The Inn

According to Jim Shaw, former 33rd degree Mason, who officially resigned from Masonry, after becoming a Christian and studying the Bible, as he wrote in Deadly Deception: "there is underlying all Masonic thinking and writing, an attitude and spirit of elitism which says, "Masonry is not for everyone, just for the select few." At the same time Masonry teaches it is the only true religion and that all other religions are but corrupted and perverted forms of Masonry.

This is both elitist and contradictory, in that it leaves no hope for the non-elite to ever be able to find the "true religion." Freemasonry proudly proclaims it makes good men better; but this leaves no provision for bad men to ever be able to become good." He continues: "It is significant, I think, that those whom Masonry rejects and excludes are the very ones Jesus sought out to accept and minister to:

The Lodge excludes and rejects the blind, for they cannot see to engage in the signs and due-guards; it rejects the crippled and maimed, for they cannot assume the body positions necessary for the signs and due-guards. The deaf are excluded because they cannot hear the "secret" words. The poor are excluded, for they cannot pay the fees and dues. The mentally challenged are rejected because they cannot memorize the correct questions and answers to be recited in rituals in order to function in the Lodge. The emotionally ill are rejected because they cannot be trusted with the "secrets." Historically, blacks and women have been excluded simply because they are considered unsuitable." YET, its members consider themselves very sane and stable.Who are they kidding ??.. All have mental questions to even join in the first place.To be so corrupt....so criminally insane,mentally insane...to gangstalk the helpless....to murder the helpless...to teach there children to hate the "profane", you and i, the non masons...to worship not 1 but 3 evil gods.....to join something and swear to, not having NO idea what you have sworn to...pure insanity !!! ....to enjoy little boys and girls.....even there own children.... and there mothers.....themselves in the rituals.


"Jesus, on the other hand proclaims that "whosoever will, may come" and receive His gift of redemption and that all may "take the water of life freely" (Rev. 22:17). He especially reached out to the blind, the crippled, the mentally challenged and mentally ill, the poor and the unwanted - the very ones Masonry excludes and rejects (as unworthy)."

Jesus Forbid the Bloody Pagan Oaths That Are Required of All Members of Freemasonry In Matthew 5:34-37, He said "But I say to you, make no oath at all either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the grat King. "Nor shall you make an oath on your head for you cannot make one hair white or black, "But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no', and anything beyond these is of evil."
The oath of the 1st degree of Masonry, that of an Entered Apprentice, concludes with: "...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots and buried in the rough sands of the sea at low-water mark where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason, so help me God."

The oath for the 2nd degree of Masonry, that of Fellow Craft, ends as follows: "...binding myself under no less penalty than having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given as a prey to the wild beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, so help me God..."

The 3rd degree oath, to become a Master Mason, is: "...having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven, so that no more trace or remembrance may be had of so vile and perjured wretch as I..."

The oath to become a Knight of Malta (after taking in hand the upper part of a human skull containing wine): "This pure wine I now take in testimony of my belief in the mortality of the body and the immortality of the soul and may this libation appear as a witness against me both here and hereafter - and as the sins of the world were laid upon the head of the Savior, so may all the sins committed by the person whose skull this was be heaped upon my head, in addition to my own, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate or transgress any obligation that I have heretofore taken, take at this time, or shall at any future period take in relation to any degree of Masonry or order of Knighthood. So help me God."
Each of the above pagan Masonic oaths, except the shriners, which is sworn to Allah, the God of the Qu'ran, and of Muslims, conclude with the words, 'So help me God.' For a Christian to call upon God as a witness to these evil barbaric oaths, as he is voluntarily binding himself to a spirit of fear by agreeing to be murdered by his lodge brothers, or to mutilate and murder any Masonic brother who reveals Masonic secrets, is an incredibly sad and spiritually blind deed, and an abomination to God.

Jesus said in Matthew 10:28: "And fear not them who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." In 2 Timothy 1:7, the Holy Spirit, writing through Paul tells us: "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

brice_fallsteen
12-25-2010, 08:46 PM
Do you have any supporting documents in regards to your claim of people with disabilities not allowed membership? I can only speak from the experiences I've had in a limited number of lodges but I've met many mason men who have disabilities that limit their ability to do much of the customs and courtesies.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 05:53 AM
dou have any supporting documents that u ADMIT SUCH ??

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 06:35 AM
No JBoy never has actual documentation of his lies. He is a mouth piece for hate.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 06:50 AM
The world is full of truth..
Hate, that reminds me of a tactic of long ago...
U are so dumbed down as all freemasons to see the real light of day, NOT morning(Lucifer).. As I say, U work in a secret society.... I admit, u belong there.. weird.....Masons want to cheat the system, get ahead by cheating god and country.., favors... well,were tired of it. U work like every body else in this world.The day is near for u...to repay the world what has been taken away,FROM GOD>COUNTRY AND MAN ...U ROT everything u touch...It festers...then ur children are infested...

I know ... masons in my family, Baylor Univ.....Air Force....
And 33rds... one has went into the Illumanati.. U are a fool !!!
my niece hates her masonic dad...he abused her and my other nieces and nephews.. harassing/gangstalking women with children......elderly.....sick.. DO I HATE,
U Fuc** right, what u gonna do about it !!!!

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 07:19 AM
U are so dumbed down as all freemasons to see the real light of day, NOT morning(Lucifer)
Jesus is referred to as a morning star and the bible says to let the light of the morning into your heart.

Masons want to cheat the system, get ahead by cheating god and country.., favors... well,were tired of it.
I've worked hard to get where I am, most of it done before I joined the Freemasons. I've never used my Masonic connection to get ahead.

Ah, and it comes down to it. You have some family problems. I met a woman like you once, she was the same insane way and it took most of a Hawaii-bound flight to figure her out. You need to work out your issues and stop blaming the Masons for everything. If you did actually have family members who were Masons they deserved to be expelled for their actions as they are un-Masonic and you should know that Masons don't make bad men into good men. They can only make good men better.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:25 AM
masons dont work hard at all... they are parisites.
u are a blood sucker....ur papa is a blood sucker.

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 07:27 AM
masons dont work hard at all... they are parisites.
u are a blood sucker....ur papa is a blood sucker.
I come from a middle income family and make just about that myself. I have never taken a dime for welfare nor a handout from others. All my possessions are a result of my hard work and doing. That is something I am most proud of. I have at least served my country and don't need to rely on others to tell me about my god. My faith is not so weak that I need others to define it for me.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:30 AM
u are a deadbeat dad.. ... always sponging off of people..
u are a worhless piece of shit

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 07:33 AM
u are a deadbeat dad.. ... always sponging off of people..
u are a worhless piece of shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm not a Dad, I have no kids...that I know of. I've never sponged, I'm a frequent donator to various charities.

Piece of shit? How eloquent.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:38 AM
what charities, fraternal order of dirty cops...red crossed.....another mason charity... haaa sounds like u are a child trying to prove u are what u aint !!!
the public is viewing u.. they see how dumb u are.. this posting is really childish. do u agree ?? no, because u are a child.. u cop dad probably abused u...so u never grow up...u are in a bubble.. pop that bitch !!!

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 07:44 AM
what charities, fraternal order of dirty cops...red crossed.....another mason charity... haaa sounds like u are a child trying to prove u are what u aint !!!
the public is viewing u.. they see how dumb u are.. this posting is really childish. do u agree ?? no, because u are a child.. u cop dad probably abused u...so u never grow up...u are in a bubble.. pop that bitch !!!
Unlike you my dad never touched me or my sisters. I was never abused. The public may be intrigued, but its very few that believe the sinister bs that you believe. "Know thyself" Live by this rule. My dad knows who he is and he raised me just fine. I have had a great life - no regrets. You seem to have the family issues and just because that is true doesn't mean the rest of us are all neurotic little yahoos.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:50 AM
U are not normal to join such a satanic society unless u are of that nature

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:52 AM
Originally Posted by JBoy http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f32/masons-evil-5791-28.html#post72021)
what charities, fraternal order of dirty cops...red crossed.....another mason charity... haaa sounds like u are a child trying to prove u are what u aint !!!
the public is viewing u.. they see how dumb u are.. this posting is really childish. do u agree ?? no, because u are a child.. u cop dad probably abused u...so u never grow up...u are in a bubble..

U are a clown.....

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:16 AM
U are not normal to join such a satanic society unless u are of that nature
Thank God I didn't join a Satanic organization then

JBoy
12-26-2010, 12:10 PM
"(Bill Schnoebelen) had been a 90 degree Freemason when most people think Freemasonry goes only as high as 33 degrees. He explained how there is one particular level in one branch of Masonry whereby a Mason swears, “I will keep the secrets of a Royal Arch Companion, murder and treason not excepted.”"---How We Discovered the World's First Ex-Vampire

If anyone looks through MORALS AND DOGMA, the Masonic ‘bible’ written by Confederate General Albert Pike in the mid nineteenth century, one will find a diagram of ‘Baphomet, the Hermaphroditic Goat’ drawn in an inverted pentagram. Notice that the face looks reptilian, perhaps even Draconian. Carol and I believe that this is the image that the 32nd degree and above Masons regard as Satan, their sponsor. We believe that a Draconian or off-planet reptilian show up in their secret upper level meetings and that the humans are just stupid enough to think he/she’s a devil ;-) It’s no small wonder that LaRouche refers to Satanism as ‘infantilism.’ [2002] The Adventures of Don & Carol Croft – Parts 11 – 20

"Sexual vampirism goes on and this explains why there is an epidemic of child sexual abuse among Masons, as they believe (also commonly held among Illuminists) that if you have sex with a child you steal some of their youth and that in turn makes you live longer, and if you have sex with lots of children and the younger the better, you can live virtually forever and this is the promise held out by Masons."--Bill Schnoebelen (Interview with an Ex-Vampire).

Many of the highest-placed leaders in the Nazi party, including Hitler, Roehm, Forster, von Schirach and almost all of his bodyguards were gay. Hitler surrounded himself with homosexuals and even retrieved Roehm from Bolivia, making him Deputy Fuhrer. This knowledge enabled outside countries like Britain and ideologies like the Freemasons to control Hitler, his high command and his bodyguards. Hitler and his band of merry bandits became puppets with wooden strings. In this way, any foreign society can be destroyed with a leader hiding their sexuality. Hitler, Roehm, Forster and von Schirach took part in destroying their own societies while enjoying the power it gave them. Hitler was a double agent prime minister. He worked for a foreign country (Britain) and a foreign ideology (the Freemasons). The formula proved so effective it is still used today, in politics and the media, especially with TV personalities, radio announcers, prime ministers and presidents, both male and female. Hitler was a British Agent by Greg Hallett p.65

Whenever you have a high-ranking homosexual fronting as a married heterosexual, you have a malleable spy who will go to any treasonous lengths and use all their resources just to maintain one or all of their positions. Many homosexual Freemasons use Freemasonry and marriage as a form of cover. Freemasons have a high rate of child-sex abuse, paedophilia and incest, with accounts suggesting that Freemasons sexually abuse a third of their daughters and granddaughters.
Paedophiles control Freemasons, because Freemasons consider paedophiles to be close to royals. Royals use their illegitimate children for supply and control for paedophiles. Police are a Freemasonry organisation and serve the British Crown. Thus Police cover for paedophiles and expect promotions when they do so. Freemasons admire paedophiles and a Freemason will do anything a paedophile asks them to do. This does not exclude dropping the Berlin Wall.
Because the Freemasons control the police and judiciary, Freemasons are rarely charged for their incest, child-sex abuse and paedophilia. When they are discovered, the first step is to cover up. When it becomes too obvious they are often murdered. Sometimes these murders are real and other times they are fake with new identities established elsewhere. Hitler was a British Agent by Greg Hallett p.205

Studying freemasonry gave me an understanding of how evil works in our world. The entrance lodge, the blue lodge, the first 3 degrees are all warm, loving, and the energy forms created are quite powerful and pleasing. This gets you in. Makes you feel at home. This is how modern cults work, as well, take note. They get you in, make you feel loved, you are among friends, we are your real family, like that. Then once in, the good light vanishes with each degree and upward movement, and the false light, the dark light, slowly takes its place. I almost died in a lodge meeting—my very last—as they tried to kill me there using black magic. My heart stopped, I found I could not breathe, and fell over near-dead in lodge. Except for one person, no one stopped the proceedings in lodge or even bothered to help me. I was carried outside of lodge and laid on a table. Then my heart started again and I found myself recovering, still hearing the proceedings of the lodge inside and only the one person standing next to me, “are you okay?” Sure…
I never went back after that. I had what I needed for the book. These Luciferic souls showed me exactly what they were inside. I saw firsthand how the thing worked and had direct experience of what happens to a man or woman when a collective of dark souls gathered to do harm to another. My first experience with “blasting.” And I was the victim. Lot of that around these days, you know. [2008] The Long and Winding Internet Road By Don Bradley, March 14th, 2008

Karl Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, all Jewish Freemasons, were essentially dysfunctional losers who were employed by the Illuminist bankers to hoodwink the masses. Lenin for example had been an unsuccessful lawyer who had only six cases in which he defended shoplifters. He lost them all. A week later he gave up the law to become a highly paid revolutionary. Lenin declared: "Peace means quite simply the domination of Communism over the entire world." His reign of terror caused nine million deaths but you never see him compared to Hitler. The secret police, the Cheka, dominated by Jews, published the names of 1.7 million people they murdered in 1918-1919, including 300,000 priests. "A river of blood flowed through Russia," Lina writes. "According to official Soviet Reports, 1,695,904 people were executed from January 1921 to April 1922. Among these victims were bishops, professors, doctors, officers, policemen, lawyers, civil servants, writers...Their crime was 'anti social thinking' " Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D (September 21, 2003)

The Fraternity Pub. Co., 1891, p. 225.) I mention John Collins as an example of a powerful 18th century Freemason, who was part of what appears to be the Collins Illuminati family. In previous articles, we have documented how the early 18th century Astor's and DuPont's were active Freemasons. The history of these top families does agree with Bonewitz that in order to continue to practice their witchcraft they used the cover of Freemasonry. Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier: Bundy

The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a center in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists. This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area. Part 4: The Illuminati - Freemason Connection

Let’s digress just to let people in on Freemasonry’s involvement with acting and motion pictures. The famous 233 Club was a Masonic chapter for actors who were Freemasons. Examples of actors who were Freemasons include John Aasen, Gene Autry, Monte Blue and Humphrey Bogart, Douglas McClean, John Wayne.

Then there is T.V. DJ Dick Clark. Examples of Motion picture executives who were Freemasons incl. Ellis G. Arnall (Pres. of the Soc. of Ind. Motion Picture Producers), Will H. Hays (Czar of motion pictures 1922-45, and Pres. Motion Picture Produces & Distributors of Amer. Inc.), Benj. B. Kahane (v.p. & dir. Assoc. of Motion Picture Producers, Inc.), Carl Laemmle (Pres. Univ. Pictures Corp til ’36), Frank E. Mullen ( man. dept of info. RCA, VP NBC ‘39-’46, exec. VP NBC ‘46-’48), David Sarnoff (Chrm. of Bd. Radio Corp. of Amer. & ,,father" of American television), Jack M. Warner (v.p. of Warner Bros.) and the President & dir. of Universal Pictures since 1952. The Freemasons have made much of Walt Disney’s membership in their membership sales pitches. Because the 2 Disney brothers’ chief contributions to the production of Disney films were the finances and occasionally the ideas used in a film, it is rather misrepresentative of things that Walt Disney got all the credit for the success and quality of the Disney cartoons. Chapter 5. Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler

You remember Aleister Crowley. He was a 33rd degree Mason. I talked to Bill Schnoebelen one time and asked him, “Where did the Masons get the sodomy?” and he said, “It came by Aleister Crowley from black magic Hinduism.” Well, that isn’t the only place it came from. Deprogrammer Interview with Marion Knox: In the House of the Strongman, Sodomy is the Key - by Elana Freeland

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:03 PM
Bill was never a Freemason. His life story is filled with lies and contradictions. And no Freemasonry doesn't go to 90 or 99. That is the Rite of Memphis and Mizraim which is not recognized by any true Masonic body and in fact, joining one Rite of MM can get you expelled from the fraternity. I love how he was somehow a Mormon, Catholic, Satanist, Wiccan, Freemason, and blah blah blah.

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:19 PM
What is so GOD awful about the Rite of Memphis and Mizraim that can get you expelled from the oh so wonderful Freemason fraternity?
Irregular Freemasonry don't follow the same rules, they don't have the same requirements, they refuse to follow the traditions and charges that every Grand Lodge follows, they allow atheists into their movements, but are slowly dying away.

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:29 PM
The Ancient and Primitive Rites of Memphis and Mizraim are groups for fringe "Freemasons". They were considered a degree mill of clandestine degrees and never received recognition. In fact, Yarker was expelled from Freemasonry as he became belligerent in trying to push his new order.

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 12:04 AM
OMG!

How awful!

They don't follow the same rules and don't have the same requirements and refuse to follow the traditions and allow atheists into their movements.

I say off with their heads!

Doesn't have to be off with their heads, just means they aren't freely accepted as part of the organization. If they don't fallow the same rules, regulations, requirements, and adhere to the traditions, are they really part of the organization at all, or just another group using a catchy name to get attention?

KSigMason
12-27-2010, 02:52 AM
OMG!

How awful!

They don't follow the same rules and don't have the same requirements and refuse to follow the traditions and allow atheists into their movements.

I say off with their heads!
That's a little extreme, I am content with them no receiving recognition, but to each his own I guess.

JBoy
12-27-2010, 05:35 AM
baby mason boy:
Is PIKE a liar ??
Manly ???
BESANT....CROWLEY....Manson????? HITLER.....Son of sam ???

all evil as hell, as u are. a nobody no nothing gutter rat
i suppose i can gather ALL the names and ...and ofcourse, to u all liars, never was in the masons. how bizarres ur ???

KSigMason
12-27-2010, 06:13 AM
baby mason boy:
Is PIKE a liar ??
Manly ???
BESANT....CROWLEY....Manson????? HITLER.....Son of sam ???

all evil as hell, as u are. a nobody no nothing gutter rat
i suppose i can gather ALL the names and ...and ofcourse, to u all liars, never was in the masons. how bizarres ur ???
Manly P Hall and Pike were Masons, but the rest you named are not. Sorry little boy.

JBoy
12-27-2010, 06:53 AM
November 2, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO -- The LAPD and the Boy Scouts of America may not be held liable for alleged sexual abuse of teenage boys by a former police chief, the California Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday. The state high court said the alleged victims had failed to show that the LAPD and the scouting group knew or should have known that retired Deputy Police Chief David Kalish had committed sexual misconduct with other minors before he was accused by the teenagers. The decision clarified a law that permits victims of child abuse older than 26 to sue a molester's employer or organization if they can show the employer "knew or had reason to know or was otherwise on notice" of any sexual misconduct by the employee or volunteer. Without such evidence, a victim older than 26 is barred from suing by legal time limits.

KSigMason
12-28-2010, 05:11 AM
November 2, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO -- The LAPD and the Boy Scouts of America may not be held liable for alleged sexual abuse of teenage boys by a former police chief, the California Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday. The state high court said the alleged victims had failed to show that the LAPD and the scouting group knew or should have known that retired Deputy Police Chief David Kalish had committed sexual misconduct with other minors before he was accused by the teenagers. The decision clarified a law that permits victims of child abuse older than 26 to sue a molester's employer or organization if they can show the employer "knew or had reason to know or was otherwise on notice" of any sexual misconduct by the employee or volunteer. Without such evidence, a victim older than 26 is barred from suing by legal time limits.
And what does this have to do with the Masons?

JBoy
12-28-2010, 05:20 AM
Brain Dead !!!!

KSigMason
12-28-2010, 05:37 AM
You assume too much little boy.

JBoy
12-28-2010, 05:48 AM
You wish i was a "little boy", dont u ??

JBoy
12-28-2010, 06:20 AM
Now, I cant be clearer....GOOD cops dont do this !!!
ONLY bad cops...ANYTHING bad has a stamp on it..MASONRY.
They rot everything they touch..then cesspools form..then sewer rats appear...real simple bird brain !!!

About 1.75 years later we now have 1,730 threads about cops committing sex offenses out of 10,431 total threads in the news section, which is about 16.6%. There are sure a lot of cops out there committing sex offenses. Most of the stories appear to be offenses committed against children. Cops must like them young. Maybe they resist less, and are easily manipulated by someone they are taught to look up too. Sworn officers of the law committing a sex offense against someone in custody appears to be on the rise. The person might have to perform a sexual act to get out of some traffic infraction, or perform sexual acts if they are already incarcerated for the sexual gratification of those in charge of their welfare.

Keep in mind that this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to reporting sex offenses committed by sworn officers of the law. I am only scanning a limited amount of these stories online, and lots more are missed. Please help out an post stories along with pictures of these officers in the Law Enforcement Sex Offender thread. They need to be exposed for the safety of the children. More often then not, their information won't appear on the various offender registries because SOL's tend to be a protected class of citizens even when they commit a sex crime. People can come here instead to find their information; although, they won't have a current address.

Please write and tell your representatives in government that cops must not be a protected class. Some legislators are trying to pass bills into law that would protect SOL's information from being displayed online. Supposedly it is to protect the SOL's and their families. However equal protection of the law should apply to everyone, and cops shouldn't become a protected class when displaying information. Especially when SOL's are so eager to display information about you online if you have been convicted of a crime. In some cases, such as in Ohio, you don't even have to be convicted of the crime for your information to appear online.

Read about all the sex abuses in this forum
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/foru...?s=&forumid=108 (http://www.copwatch.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=108)

JBoy
12-28-2010, 06:34 AM
Stop child abuse and perverted Masons

KSigMason
12-28-2010, 07:34 AM
Stop child abuse and perverted Masons
Nice sign.

JBoy
12-28-2010, 08:11 AM
here is a better one !!!

JBoy
12-28-2010, 08:12 AM
What does that mean real mason ???

KSigMason
12-28-2010, 08:44 AM
It's quite apparent he is an elderly gentleman.

JBoy
12-28-2010, 06:39 PM
the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives. The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.

A rational person participating as one interested in the truth will evaluate that chain of evidence and conclude either that the links are solid and conclusive, that one or more links are weak and need further development before conclusion can be arrived at, or that one or more links can be broken, usually invalidating (but not necessarily so, if parallel links already exist or can be found, or if a particular link was merely supportive, but not in itself key to) the argument. The game is played by raising issues which either strengthen or weaken (preferably to the point of breaking) these links. It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluations... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. Often, by simply impeding and slowing down the process through disinformation tactics, a level of victory is assured because apathy increases with time and rhetoric.

It would seem true in almost every instance, that if one cannot break the chain of evidence for a given solution, revelation of truth has won out. If the chain is broken either a new link must be forged, or a whole new chain developed, or the solution is invalid and a new one must be found... but truth still wins out. There is no shame in being the creator or supporter of a failed solution, chain, or link, if done with honesty in search of the truth. This is the rational approach. While it is understandable that a person can become emotionally involved with a particular side of a given issue, it is really unimportant who wins, as long as truth wins. But the disinfo artist will seek to emotionalize and chastise any failure (real or false claims thereof), and will seek by means of intimidation to prevent discussion in general.
It is the disinfo artist and those who may pull their strings (those who stand to suffer should the crime be solved) MUST seek to prevent rational and complete examination of any chain ofevidence which would hang them. Since fact and truth seldom fall on their own, they must be overcome with lies and deceit. Those who are professional in the art of lies and deceit, such as the intelligence community and the professional criminal (often the same people or at least working together), tend to apply fairly well defined and observable tools in this process.However, the public at large is not well armed against such weapons, and is often easily ledastray by these time-proven tactics. Remarkably, not even media and law enforcement have
NOT BEEN TRAINED to deal with these issues. For the most part, only the players themselves understand the rules of the game.
For such disinformationalists, the overall aim is to avoid discussing links in the chain of evidence which cannot be broken by truth, but at all times, to use clever deceptions or lies to make select links seem weaker than they are, create the illusion of a break, or better still, cause any who are considering the chain to be distracted in any number of ways, including the method of questioning the credentials of the presenter. Please understand that fact is fact, regardless of the source. Likewise, truth is truth, regardless of the source. This is why criminals are allowed to testify against other criminals. Where a motive to lie may truly exist, only actual evidence that the testimony itself IS a lie renders it completely invalid. Were a known 'liar's' testimony to stand on its own without supporting fact, it might certainly be of questionable value, but if the testimony (argument) is based on verifiable or otherwise demonstrable facts, it matters not who does the presenting or what their motives are, or if they have lied in the past or even if motivated to lie in this instance -- the facts or links would and should stand or fall on their own merit and their part in the matter will merely be supportive.

Moreover, particularly with respects to public forums such as newspaper letters to the editor, and Internet chat and news groups, the disinfo type has a very important role. In these forums, the principle topics of discussion are generally attempts by individuals to cause other persons to become interested in their own particular position, idea, or solution -- very much in development at the time. People often use such mediums as a sounding board and in hopes of pollination to better form their ideas. Where such ideas are critical of government or powerful, vested groups (especially if their criminality is the topic), the disinfo artist has yet another role -- the role of nipping it in the bud. They also seek to stage the concept, the presenter, and any supporters as less than credible should any possible future confrontation in more public forums result due to their early successes. You can often spot the disinfo types at work here by the unique application of "higher standards" of discussion than necessarily warranted. They will demand that those presenting arguments or concepts back everything up with the same level of expertise as a professor, researcher, or investigative writer. Anything less renders anydiscussion meaningless and unworthy in their opinion, and anyone who disagrees is obviously stupid -- and they generally put it in exactly those terms.

So, as you read any such discussions, particularly so in Internet news groups (NG), decide for yourself when a rational argument is being applied and when disinformation, psyops (psychological warfare operations) or trickery is the tool. Accuse those guilty of the latter freely. They (both those deliberately seeking to lead you astray, and those who are simply foolish or misguided thinkers) generally run for cover when thus illuminated, or -- put in other terms, they put up or shut up (a perfectly acceptable outcome either way, since truth is the goal.) Here are the twenty-five methods and seven traits, some of which don't apply directly to NG application. Each contains a simple example in the form of actual (some paraphrased for simplicity) from NG comments on commonly known historical events, and a proper response.[examples & response- proparanoid.com (http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.html)]
Accusations should not be overused -- reserve for repeat offenders and those who use multiple tactics. Responses should avoid falling into emotional traps or informational sidetracks, unless it is feared that some observers will be easily dissuaded by the trickery. Consider quoting the complete rule rather than simply citing it, as others will not have reference. Offer to provide a complete copy of the rule set upon request (see permissions statement at end):


Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic
which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed
with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of theircharacter by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen. .

KSigMason
12-29-2010, 06:02 AM
All the experts agree, Freemasonry is bad.

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KSigMason
12-29-2010, 06:07 AM
Anti-Masonic Tactics:

The motives of anti-Masons are sometimes blatantly obvious. Hawking books, audio and video tapes, and CDs they use breathless prose to extol the the 'truth' that you can get from them. Invoking God and/or some immediately pending cataclysmic catastrophe, it never seems to fail that their hands are always out for donations as well as article sales.
Invariably too, there's an 'appeal to authority'. A supposedly 'top leader' of Freemasonry is quoted ~ perhaps using just a few words ~ to somehow prove beyond any doubt that the lurid premise is completely proven. It is supremely ironic, of course, that they never refer to the MANY other things that the individual may have written since to do so would completely contradict the picture the anti-Mason tries to paint. Even Masonic authors who have said in clear and unequivocal terms what they really believe are quoted out of context in the hopes that the unknowing and unwary will be swayed by the strange-sounding titles and the intermingling of casually-related phrases. Sometimes it's the use of a book published by an anti-Masonic 'vanity' publisher or sometimes they'll claim that writings against Masons or Masonry cannot be published by 'legitimate' publishers because they're all Masonically-controlled.
In some cases, these purveyors of lies hide behind real or imagined paranoia claiming that the truth cannot be fully told for fear of retribution of some kind.
And sometimes, they believe that God has spoken to them directly and told them to destroy the Freemasons - as if God is somehow incapable of doing such things without their assistance!
In this section, we talk about those who're visible in their anti-Masonic activities (i.e., not hiding behind some on-line identity which changes frequently). We also provide a review of some internal inconsistencies in their arguments and offer some of our thoughts on responding to 'antis'. You can reach these various sections by clicking on their respective buttons on the right. In addition, we've got a quick summary of some of the more egregious activities of anti-Masons over the centuries.
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The repertoire of techniques is varied but most involve simple deceit. Common tactics are listed below. Click on each method for more information about how it is used.



Change the Subject
Guilt by Association
Using Different Standards
If your were...
Refuse to Answer
Outright Lies
Oft-Repeated Falsehoods
Quibble over Semantics
Faulty Logic
Assumptive Positions
Prove It
Straw Man

KSigMason
12-29-2010, 06:26 AM
Objections to Freemasonry:

Freemasonry is the world's oldest and largest Fraternity. While its traditions look back earlier, Masonry in its current form appeared when its public events were noticed by the residents of London, England in 1717. Although Masonry, particularly in its earliest days, had elements of secrecy, the first 'exposure' of the supposedly highly-secret Masonic ritual actually appeared in 1696 - twenty one years BEFORE the founding of the first Grand Lodge nearly three hundred years ago.

That exposure marked the beginning of (now) more than 300 years of objections to the organization. Why? There are, surely, many causes: jealousy, fear of the unknown, superstition, bigotry, or a dozen more. The objections can be generally grouped into three categories and clicking on the hyperlinks below will bring you to additional pages which amplify what charges are being (or have been) made:

Religious A number of people object to Freemasonry (often quite vocally) on a religious basis, claiming that Masonry is a religion, supplants their religion or is not 'the way to {their idea of} Heaven'. In addition, many religious leaders with 'marginal' credentials (a degree received by mail from a non-accredited religious school, for example) need to create other 'areas of interest' to provide their congregations with fodder for inquiry thereby never giving them time to critically consider the shaky theological background of their leader. The major causes of the world's hurts (famine, war, etc.) are simply too amorphous and could cause dissent. Focusing on what they define as a 'false religion' allows them to bring their flock together against a common and easily identifiable enemy. Finally, Freemasonry encourages toleration - something that dictators of nations and of local church groups particularly fear.
Examples (http://www.masonicinfo.com/religious_objections.htm)


Social Some object to Freemasonry on social grounds arguing that it is creating or part of a 'New World Order' - even if they can't provide a single scintilla of proof. The 'boogey-man' is always a convenient enemy. They'll argue too that Freemasonry is related to the Ku Klux Klan, that it protects its own members, or that it demands secrecy even to the point of murdering violators - again without tangible proof. These broad and often ambiguous claims shift and turn, never providing a single specific target against which responses can be mustered.
Examples (http://www.masonicinfo.com/social_objections.htm)

Other
There are miscellaneous other objections, including objections to the supposed foolishness of Masonic rituals and secrecy. When the larger issues are insufficient to prove a point - or when someone is desperate for attention, they use 'proof by verbosity', tossing in all sorts of snarky comments about "rolled-up trouser legs" etc. Anything at all to 'divert the discourse'....

Examples (http://www.masonicinfo.com/other_objections.htm)

SOURCE (http://www.masonicinfo.com/objections.htm)

JBoy
12-29-2010, 07:04 AM
Baal is a Judeo-Christian demon. In the Masonic Royal Arch Degree ritual (13th degree in the Scottish Rite) the sacred god of Freemasonry is revealed as Jah-Bal-On or Jahbuhlun. BUL = Baal, so the world is run by BAAL

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The demon Bael, from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire infernal (1862)

JBoy
12-29-2010, 07:17 AM
JAH-BUL-ON
by Stephen Knight (http://www.whale.to/b/knight_h.html)
(The Brotherhood by Stephen Knight p. 236-240)
In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the Great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON -not a general umbrella term open to any interpretation an individual Freemason might choose, but a precise designation that describes a specific supernatural being - a compound deity composed of three separate personalities fused in one. Each syllable of the 'ineffable name' represents one personality of this Trinity:
JAH = Jahweh, the God of the Hebrews.
BUL = Baal, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'.
ON = Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld.
Baal, of course, was the 'false god' with whom Jahweh competed for the allegiance of the Israelites in the Old Testament. But more recently, within a hundred years of the creation of the Freemason's God, the sixteenth-century demonologist John Weir identified Baal (http://www.whale.to/b/baal_h.html) as a devil. This grotesque manifestation of evil had the body of a spider and three heads - those of a man, a toad and a cat. A description of Baal to be found in de Plancy's Dictionary of Witchcraft is particularly apposite when considered in the light of the secretive and deceptive nature of Freemasonry: his voice was raucous, and he taught his followers guile, cunning and the ability to become invisible.
In 1873, the renowned masonic author and historian General Albert Pike, later to become Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Supreme Council (of the 33rd Degree) at Charleston, USA, wrote of his reaction on learning of Jah-Bul-On. He was disquieted and disgusted by the name, and went on: 'No man or body of men can make me accept as a sacred word, as a symbol of the infinite and eternal Godhead, a mongrel word, in part composed of the name of an accursed and beastly heathen god, whose name has been for more than two thousand years an appellation of the Devil.'
I have spoken to no less than fifty-seven long-standing Royal Arch Freemasons who have been happy to talk to me, to help me in my ambition to give Freemasonry 'a fair crack of the whip'. Most of them spoke quite freely, explaining without hesitation their views, reactions and answers to the criticisms and queries I raised. However, all but four lost their self-assurance and composure when I said, 'What about Jah-Bul-On?' Some, although they had previously told me they had been exalted to the Royal Arch, and therefore must have not only received the lecture on the name but also studied the passages and enacted the ritual relating to Jah-Bul-On, said they had never heard of it. In most cases the interviewees very rapidly brought the meeting to a close when I asked the question. Others laughed unconvincingly and extricated themselves from having to reply by jauntily saying such words as, 'Oh, that old chestnut', and passing quickly on to some other subject, normally going on the offensive with something like, 'Why are you so interested in Freemasonry in particular? Why don't you look into Christianity or something? Why do people always pick on Freemasonry?' -thereby diverting the conversation from the course I had plotted. If I insisted on returning to Jah-Bul-On, almost invariably the interview would be unceremoniously terminated. Others said that although they had heard of the word, they did not know what it meant. To them it meant God, and previously erudite Freemasons, with a precise knowledge of every other aspect of Masonry we had discussed, suddenly became vague and claimed ignorance of this most central of all Freemasonic subjects. While professing an almost total lack of knowledge of Jah-Bul-On, several dismissed it as of no real importance.
Charles Stratton, one Royal Arch Freemason for whom I have the utmost admiration, told me this of Jah-Bul-On: 'No one ever has time to think about its meaning, you're too busy trying to remember your words. As far as I know it's just another name for Jehovah.'
Acute silences, chiefly of embarrassment, followed my question on many occasions, as happened when I spoke to a most co-operative officer both of Grand Lodge and Grand Chapter.
We had been discussing whether or not Freemasonry was a religion, and I had run through my customary list of religious terms used in Freemasonry. Then I added, 'One comes across the phrase, "the sacred tenets of Free*masonry". This seems to imply that Masonry thinks of itself as a religion.'
The Grand Officer replied, 'No, I haven't said that. .. the sacred tenets?'
'Yes.'
'Well, the word sacred means holy.'
'Yes. Then there's the "Holy" Royal Arch.'
He paused. When he began to speak again it was much more slowly.
'Yes. The Holy Royal Arch. They are all expressions of ... religion in its fullest sense, not in a masonic sense. I cannot stress too strongly the fact that there is no masonic religion, no masonic god, deity or someone or something to which a Freemason must swear loyalty. No.'
'What about Jah-Bul-On?'
He was obviously taken off-guard. He said nothing for nearly ten seconds and looked most discomfited. At length, proceeding with the extreme caution of a man feeling his way through a thicket of thorns, he said: 'These are ... Hebrew words which are ... murdered from their original. And Jah is the Hebrew word for God, so it's God again. You come back to God, the real God. But these - ha! [he chuckled] - these are ways in which we express our loyalty to God.'
'It's interesting you should choose only to define the first syllable, which is of course the most acceptable to those with religious convictions. But what about the other parts of that word which are, are they not, Baal and Osiris?'
Another long pause. 'I don't know them. That's the higher echelons of Freemasonry.'
'That's in the Royal Arch, isn't it?'
'I don't do Royal Arch. I do Chapter, but not Royal Arch.'
This was the first lie he had told me, and I could see it was unpleasant for him.
I continued: 'It is established that Jahbulon is a composite name for God, made up of Jah—'
'What's Bul-On?'
'Bul is Baal and On is Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the dead.'
'Well...'
'Pike was outraged when he heard that name for the first time and saw it associated with Freemasonry, which of course was so dear to him. He said that nothing would induce him to accept as the name of God a word which is in part the name of a pagan god and for more than two thousand years an appellation of the devil.'
'I agree on that, but I... I... I don't know about it. It's not that I don't want to. I don't know about it so I really can't comment. You'll have to ask someone who knows.'
'Does it worry you?'
'In one of the higher degrees they use Jesus Christ.'
'Yes, there are several masonic orders which are exclusively Christian - the Knights Templar, the Ancient and Accepted Rite, the Societas Rosicruciana, the Knights of Malta, the Order of Eri. But does the name Jah-Bul-On worry you?'
'Many Masons wouldn't subscribe to those Christian degrees.'
The implication was clear: if Christ was an acceptable part of Freemasonry even to a non-Christian, why not the devil as well? Unacceptable though he might be to most initiates, he has his place.

JBoy
12-29-2010, 07:21 AM
Now, im positive u have NO brain THIS IS THE 15 TH TIME, I DONT WRITE THESE ARTICLES.. WHO ARE U RUNNING CIRCLES AROUND ? .. a magical knight LOL !!!:D.. lots of circles.. u truly belong a shriner tottler car with a clown suit, Ill buy it !! whats ur address !!!!
Who is Jaboulon ??? u creep !!!

KSigMason
12-29-2010, 07:41 AM
whats ur address !!!!
Who is Jaboulon ??? u creep !!!
My address is right there in my title information. But alas I don't think you'll come visit me.

You seem to think you know more, just keep posting your falsehoods.

JBoy
12-29-2010, 07:49 AM
http://www.whale.to/b/Bael.jpg
The demon Bael, from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire infernal (1862)

KSigMason
12-29-2010, 07:53 AM
That Collin guy had quite the imagination.

JBoy
12-29-2010, 08:09 AM
lets go back 2 000 yrs..let ur mind wonder, who is on the rock about to get his head chopped off. and who is the one doing the chopping ????
http://www.whale.to/b/OT-096-med.jpg

KSigMason
12-29-2010, 08:27 AM
Suddenly I feel like I'm back in Bible Study class.

JBoy
12-29-2010, 03:15 PM
PRESIDENT Truman.....Puppet Mason

November 30, 2010 by POPEYE (http://www.federaljack.com/?author=7)

B’nai B’rith – The Jewish Secret Society that Dominates America


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(FOUR WINDS) B’nai B’rith was instrumental in gaining U.S. support for the nascent Zionist state of Israel in the late 1940s. The Jewish secret society of Freemasons used President Harry Truman’s friend – and their agent – Eddie Jacobson of Kansas City (standing behind Truman) in off-the-record meetings in the Oval Office to persuade the president to approve the Zionist land grab known as the 1947 U.N. Partition Plan of Palestine and then to recognize the state of Israel the next year following the Zionist ethnic cleansing of nearly 400 Palestinian villages and towns. By applying pressure directly on Truman, B’nai B’rith dictated U.S. policy in spite of strong resistance from the U.S. Department of State. When Truman extended de jurerecognition of the Zionist state on January 31, 1949, the only guests invited to the signing ceremony in the Oval Office were members of B’nai B’rith: Eddie Jacobson, the B’nai B’rith executive vice president Maurice Bisgyer, and the secret society’s president, Frank Goldman
President Truman, a highest level Freemason, was forced to accept the dictates of a gang of Zionist Jewish Freemasons on crafting U.S. policy in the Middle East. What does this say about the real hierarchy of power among Freemasons? Truman, a Freemason since 1909, had established the Grandview Lodge No. 618 in Missouri and served as its first “Worshipful Master”. In 1940, Brother Truman was elected the ninety-seventh Grand Master of Masons of Missouri. In 1945, President Truman was made a Sovereign Grand Inspector General, 33°, and Honorary Member at the Supreme Council of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite (A.A.S.R.) Southern Jurisdiction Headquarters in Washington D.C. The fact that Jewish Freemasons of the B’nai B’rith were able to meet secretly with the president in the Oval Office whenever they wanted and were able to direct the U.S. president, a highest level Mason, to follow their orders in shaping U.S. policy in the Middle East, shows the immense power this secret society of Zionist Jews has long had over the U.S. government and other Masonic orders. Barack Hussein Obama was cultivated as a politician in Chicago and made President of the United States by the power of the B’nai B’rith. It’s high time for these secret societies to be removed from the corridors of power where U.S. policy is crafted.

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JBoy
12-29-2010, 03:21 PM
That Collin guy had quite the imagination.



Colllin is the dictionary.. what does that have to do with Masons ????
this is a mason god. yes or no.. Collin did not invent that...nor did collin draw that.. what is ur point..

JBoy
12-29-2010, 03:27 PM
Eisenhower was a jewish Freemason.. he murdered over 1 million germans after the peace treaty was signed...ALL over the internet.. go prove for ur self... faker. I have the story here posted. U look up and disprove
FREEMASONS EVIL>>>>MURDERS innocent Germans. Of the over million that were killed, many were children and women.. Truman just as blame..
Patton would never do that .He was a true american..

JBoy
12-29-2010, 03:31 PM
BONES (http://www.federaljack.com/?tag=skull-and-bones), US News (http://www.federaljack.com/?tag=us-news), WORLD NEWS (http://www.federaljack.com/?tag=world-news) Boy Scouts — Model of Masonic Subversion? (http://www.federaljack.com/?p=10447)

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http://www.henrymakow.com/scouting.jpgby Henry Makow Ph.D.

The Boy Scouts of America is rare among major institutions in banning homosexuals, atheists and agnostics as leaders. In a decadent age, the BSA is unique in upholding God, country and traditional values.
With 1.6 million members& 470,000 leaders in 50,000 packs, it appears to be an incredible force for good. But how many genuine forces for good are there in this world?
Like most major institutions, the Boy Scouts appears to have been subverted by Freemasonry, which has ah (http://www.henrymakow.com/_left_albert_pike_1809-1891by.html)idden agenda of promoting homosexuality (http://www.henrymakow.com/_left_albert_pike_1809-1891by.html) and denying God.
(Freemasonry is empowered by cabalist central banking families who wish to redefine reality and hijack mankind. Evidence of their power is the modern discomfort with using the term “God” which denotes the natural and moral order, truth and ultimate reality.)
Scouting’s national honor society “recognizing Boy Scouts who best exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives” is a Masonic secret society called the“Order of the Arrow.” (http://oa-bsa.org/) It has more than 180,000 members in “lodges” affiliated with more than 300 BSA local councils.
The Boy Scouts must ensure that their commendable work does not provide cover & recruits for the Masonic agenda.
First, let’s look at the commendable goals. The BSA web site proclaims: (http://www.bsalegal.org/faqs-195.asp) “That Boy Scouts also has traditional values, like requiring youth to do their “duty to God” and be “morally straight” is nothing to be ashamed of and should not be controversial. No court case has ever held that Boy Scouts discriminate unlawfully, and it is unfortunate here that anyone would characterize Boy Scouts’ constitutionally protected right to hold traditional values as ‘discriminatory.’ That is just name-calling.”
The “Scout Law” teaches youths to be “trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.”
It defines God as “the ruling and leading power in the universe” to whom we are grateful for “favors and blessings.” It maintains that “Boy Scouts believe that homosexual conduct is not compatible with the aims and purposes of Scouting and that a known or avowed homosexual does not present a desirable role model for the youth in the Scouting program.”
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?
These are brave words for an organization that was probably founded by a homosexual to “scout” fresh talent for the British Empire’s pedophile elite.
The homosexual inclinations of Scout Founder Robert Baden Powell (1857-1941) have been noted by two recent biographers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Robert_Baden-Powell) He liked being with young boys, especially if they were skinny dipping.
Although married with three children, he was probably a homosexual. His father died (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden_Powell) when he was three-years-old. Subsequently, Robert was raised by his mother, “a strong woman who was determined that her children would succeed.” Baden-Powell would say of her in 1933 “The whole secret of my getting on, lay with my mother.”
http://www.henrymakow.com/225px-Baden_Powell.jpgAlthough some Freemasons deny he was a member, lodges as far away as South Africa, Australia and New Zealand are named in his honor. He rose to the rank of Lieutenant General and fought with distinction in Britain’s colonial wars subduing Zulus and Boers. His cohorts, from Lord Kitchener to King Edward VII were homosexuals, Freemasons and debauchees.
His gravestone bears a circle with a dot in the center, which is the trail sign for “Going home”, or “I have gone home.” This is also a symbol of the Illuminati, representing penis and vagina.
THE ORDER OF THE ARROW

Lucifer recruits mankind using a combination of deception and seduction. Freemasonry is the Church of Lucifer, which is the real “religion” of (post-Enlightenment) Western “civilization.” It operates under many banners: Liberalism, Socialism, Zionism, Communism, Fascism, Feminism and “gay rights.”
Like all of the above, Freemasonry is a secret society, i.e. the membership is deceived as to the true agenda. The lower three “Blue Degrees” are fed platitudes about charity and making good men better. But, in reality, only the corruptible advance. Our whole society is based on this model which explains why our leaders, both political and cultural, have abandoned us.
Thus, it is quite likely that the Boy Scouts of America represent the innocent Blue Degrees. It is possible that “The Order of the Arrow” represents a recruitment pool for Freemasonry and ultimately other things.
John Salza is a former 32 degree Freemason and the author of the book “Freemasonry Unmasked.” (http://www.nicenetruth.com/home/2008/10/masonry-unmaske.html) He has written an essay (http://www.nicenetruth.com/home/2009/08/freemasonry-has-infiltrated-the-boy-scouts.html)about the OA entitled “Freemasonry has Infiltrated the Boy Scouts.” The OA was founded in 1915 by two 32 degree Freemasons and its rituals are patterned on Masonic rituals. Both have three degrees; both are organized into lodges, both rituals seek esoteric spiritual knowledge and illumination. Candidates are conducted around the lodge while bound by a rope.
Salza writes:”These rituals–which include a blood covenant are being conferred upon innocent boy scouts…and are harming their souls. [This information] comes from a scout who has experienced demonic spiritual manifestations after his initiation into OA.”
America’s youths are being inducted into an occult secret society by stealth means. Scouts and Masons will deny there is anything wrong but this only proves their gullibility and venality. The BSA is doing the exact opposite of what it claims.
CONCLUSION
What is happening in the Boy Scouts is happening is society at large. Churches (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=654508), political parties, the YMCA, the media, schools –no institution is immune.
Mankind is satanically possessed, and is being inducted into a satanic cult through sex, violence, money, drugs, secret societies or media-induced panic or psychosis. Movies today are mostly mindless killing and mayhem, apocalyptic catastrophe and pornographic sadism.
The Illuminati (the highest rung of Cabalistic Freemasonry) intends to degrade mankind and deliver us to Lucifer as Tribute. This is what they mean by “change.” They spit in the face of God and much of mankind seems only too willing to go along.
http://www.henrymakow.com/boy_scouts_–_example_of_mason.html (http://www.henrymakow.com/boy_scouts_--_example_of_mason.html)



U SAID NO PHDS SPEAK OF FREEMASONRY..

email Mr.Makow. he would be glad to debate a glorious battle. go...

JBoy
12-29-2010, 03:36 PM
Suddenly I feel like I'm back in Bible Study class.


Point. They slaughterd ur ass back then,, it could happen again...

KSigMason
12-30-2010, 05:45 AM
In response to the first blog post, I take great offense to being called a secret society and more particularly, a Jewish one, as I am a Christian, and Freemasonry doesn't hold hold any religion above another. Every member must worship in his own way. Also, B’nai B’rith isn't a part of the Masonic family nor is it a superior hierarchy.

Barack Obama is not a Freemason.

Colllin is the dictionary.. what does that have to do with Masons ????
this is a mason god. yes or no.. Collin did not invent that...nor did collin draw that.. what is ur point..
So who drew it? When was it drawn?

Eisenhower was a jewish Freemason.. he murdered over 1 million germans after the peace treaty was signed...ALL over the internet.. go prove for ur self... faker. I have the story here posted. U look up and disprove
FREEMASONS EVIL>>>>MURDERS innocent Germans. Of the over million that were killed, many were children and women.. Truman just as blame..
Patton would never do that .He was a true american..
Strange that even the Germans don't seem to recall missing 1 Million people. I'm not going to read on another one of your stupid sites. If you don't want to post it that's fine, but your word means very little, as well as people like you...nutcases.

To the Boy Scout blog post, Freemasons don't promote homosexuality and we do not deny God. Politics is definitely not allowed to be discussed within the Lodge. We are made up of members of various beliefs and so for the Lodge to take up sides would cause discord among the Brethren.

I was a Boy Scout and I agree wholeheartedly with the values they teach. That is a proposterous and slanderous thing to say about the founder, Lord Baden Powell. There are Lodges named after him because of the good he did. You don't have to be a member to have a Lodge named after you.

Freemasonry is actually fairly conservative due to its requirement to be religious and, IMO, most liberals don't believe in any god or hold any religious beliefs. Its ironic that this moron tries to say Freemasonry is connected to the fascist despots of history, when in reality they were victims of their oppression and aggression.

By using logic, non-Masons are lower on the tier of knowledge than they are as they are actual members. Unless the blogger is so arrogant that he believes he is better informed than actual members. He also assumes too much as most members do research before joining.

He also assumes too much on people's souls. He is not God, nor can he define one's relationship with God. One can spew words, but its what is in their heart that matters.

And Popeye is random blogger, not a journalist.

I've done my research, I've prayed and done soul searching, and I've observed many things; Freemasonry isn't evil. So many anti-Masons are so filled with hate, I would never want to associate with them or any organization they belong to.

KSigMason
12-30-2010, 05:47 AM
Point. They slaughterd ur ass back then,, it could happen again...
Yeah, you're going to come slaughter us? Round us up and jail us? In today's world, never. We have freedom, something you oppose. Your thought process would take us back to religious oppression and the dark ages.

JBoy
12-30-2010, 03:06 PM
Yeah, you're going to come slaughter us? Round us up and jail us? In today's world, never. We have freedom, something you oppose. Your thought process would take us back to religious oppression and the dark ages.


JABAULON will ?????

Chaser Tiponi
04-28-2011, 06:17 PM
Evil? No, far from it.

The idea of Mason being evil, in with the devil, comes from christianity. To find a silly excuse to close down these freethinkers, they made people belive they were in with the devil.

Most masonic temples have tours, go on one. You wont be able to see everything, but pretty much every room is covered.

No windows? Well, look around. How many temples have windows? How many churches have windows? By that, I mean windows you can look inside without risking braking your neck. Windows are high up etc. etc. There is also the mystical aspect of it, and keeping the rituals a secret etc. etc. Most rituals are today well known, so there is really no secrets.

The masonic orders have no religion, even if the have both the bible and the koran. Most places have a prayer room, were these book lay repectfully, and were those who feel like prayer can do so. Except from that, I know that some use the bible to swear to uphold the brotherhood.

I would argue that freemasonic teaching is religion, maybe one of the better, but with a strong focus on characterbuilding. You learn to respect all sorts of people, you feel welcomed in a group and you learn respect of symbolic rituals. The rituals themselfs are there to read as you want, they dont have one simple meaning and no preacher fill your head with dogmas. And there is the difference of masons and other religions, no dogmas.

The pentagram? Well, what is the pentagram but a christian invention. Lucifer is older then christianity, meaning light bearer or son of dawn. In Roman astrology its Venus, the morning star, shining brightest before the sun rises. What is the sun? It is God, and they just had to trow Lucifer out of the sky to make room for "thau shalt not have more then bla bla bla".

If there is something smelly and shadowy about it, its christianity with its history. Even Hitler chased down the masons, and many ended their life in prison camps. At worst its a boysclub, that sometimes can be used for the wrong things, like using your "brother" for private interests and such. It used to be big amongst the powers that be, politicans and such, but have lost its spunk over the years. But dont come and tell me that priests, good christians, muslims, hindu or what ever never spun webs for their own good?

Yes, the freemasons originally were formed to escape the tyranny and forced slavery of the Christians. Christianity and the bible itself were created (in my opinion) to control the masses. It has since turned into the misconceptions perceived by so many in modern times.

Christianity uses it's churches and clergy to convince people not to compare their bible and other literature that they produce to other facts that are available in the world today for research.

This in my opinion is why the Vatican library was closed for 3 years between 2007-2010. It just doesn't take 3 years to install air conditioning as they claim as their reasoning. It takes 3 years to rewrite records. Something that has become increasingly important for them as more and more people have gained access to the internet.

Christians and Protestants alike are followers of years of lies and deceit designed to take their money and control their thinking.

What was originally the "Masons" was a revolt. The revolutionists called themselves "Freemasons" but originally they were slaves to Christianity. They formed the Freemasons to escape that tyranny.

JustTheTruth920
06-08-2011, 08:23 PM
I believe that authentic Christianity and Freemasonry are in opposition to each other. One big red flag was the forbidding of praying in the name of Jesus Christ. This is a commandment that we should pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, whose name is above any other name.

Our Bible says that if we deny the Son of God and all of who He is which is God (the Living God) incarnate or in the form of man. For non-Christians there is no problem because they do not accept what Christ has done for them. But for a believer, to deny who Christ is and to pray and omit the in the name of Jesus is in opposition to what the Bible teaches.

Freemasonry teaches that all of the God's of the different religions in the world are basically the same God. So Christian, Muslim, Buddist or even Satanist strictly speaking would be essentially worshiping the same God. True enough all of the other religions are worshiping the same god, the god of this world, but Christians are praying to the One True and Living God.

Freemasonry teaches that there are certain principles to follow like Hiram Abiff, to reach the Great White throne and enter heaven. By good works and charity. This is opposite from what an authentic Christian believes. A Christian believes that he is privileged to enter heaven for one reason and one reason alone. That is that God in the form of man Jesus Christ paid the penalty once and for all and is the door and THE Way to heaven, that no man will enter except by faith in his finished work. Christians know that good works come from a changed life, not as a way to attain heaven.

Christian pastors have no business involving themselves in secretive and exclusive fraternities, that reject a man with a disability. Jesus spent most of his time on earth with the poor, the sick, the disenfranchised. Everything He did was in the open for all to see. He never spoke of there being any other way to heaven except through Him.

There have been enough ex-masons give testimonies on John Ankerberg and other places who have told enough to make any listening Christian who has been deceived about the true nature of the doctrines of Freemasonry and be seduced by the prideful names and titles they can attain. The praise of mere men becomes more important than pleasing God.

The Bible clearly states that Christians should not take oaths but let their yes be yes and their no be no. These terrible blood oaths taken are Satanic in nature.

I am only talking about Christians, unbelievers are in their element until they come to Christ and they live as their unregenerate hearts tell them to, but a true believer is acting against the Holy Spirit who now lives in them. Due to ignorance or simply that they are only religious and not true born again Christians.