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stompk
01-30-2008, 04:28 AM
OK, I just watched the best movie I have ever seen about the powers that control the world.

First hand insight, from an unlikely source.

If your wondering why gas is so high, and set to go much higher,

watch this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&q=the+energy+n

Shadow
01-30-2008, 08:53 AM
Nothing to wonder about. Just a bounch of guys in New York, thats all!

stompk
01-30-2008, 05:48 PM
Did you watch the movie?

The entire movie?

I think you are dead if you don't

see the fascism in America right now.

stompk
01-30-2008, 05:49 PM
And what I mean by dead, is, I don't recognize you. Take it as you will

Shadow
01-31-2008, 02:21 AM
Do you not recognize the handshake then? Or the secret password?

stompk
02-13-2008, 06:40 AM
No, Shadow, I don't.

Could you please show me.

stompk
02-13-2008, 07:12 AM
Interesting note. I looked up the book that Lindsay William wrote, "the energy non-crisis"

The original version goes for around $10

The second version, that he wrote with Clifford Wilson, sells for over $150 !!

Same paperback, second version.

Hmmm.

Delta
02-13-2008, 01:07 PM
So what exactly is your point (if there was one)?

stompk
02-14-2008, 04:08 AM
Delta, what's your point for being in this conspiracy forum?

stompk
02-19-2008, 03:18 PM
One of the fastest growing bets in the oil market these days is that the price of crude could double to $200 a barrel by the end of 2008. The options to buy oil for $200 on the New York Mercantile Exchange rose 10-fold in the past two months to 5,533 contracts, a record increase for any similar period

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Prophecy coming true.

noneofyourbusiness
02-21-2008, 10:51 AM
Stompk, I just found this site and I have seen that energy non-crisis video on google video. Wow, that was a very interesting lecture. Even if half of it were true it would be scary. I actually believe all of it but then again, I am skeptical about everything... Either way though, the price of oil is definitely going to keep climbing. Have you seen an article from F. William Engdahl about how oil is only theorized to be from dinosaur fossils and that in Russia they have an alternate theory, which is probably correct, that the oil is from a primordial goo from inside the earth, not from mashed up dinosaur fossils, and that therefore, there is no peak oil problem... that was all just made up in order for people to believe that it was unsustainable, so they could have an excuse to start shutting us down and hiking the prices. Sounds about right to me.

stompk
02-22-2008, 04:21 AM
Welcome None ya.

Yes, I felt exactly the same way. Even if half were true.

But the guy is TOTALLY believable. And events seem to

be following his predictions, even when the big oil execs predict

the other way.

By far the best conspiracy lecture out there.

stompk
02-23-2008, 04:00 AM
bump after attack from ATS.

Barbara
02-24-2008, 11:53 PM
I read an article written back in 2000 that said oil did not come from decomposing dinosaurs and that it was a naturally replenishing resource.

Scientists are speculating that there is a tremendous amount of petrochemicals on Europa; they say there is very little chance that dinosaurs ever existed there.

BTW, I have Lindsey Williams' book along with another one he wrote, "Where's the Food?" Some of us have been at this stuff since the '70's, some longer. I'm just thankful for the internet, it was slow and painstakingly difficult to try to get the word out one-on-one.

stompk
02-25-2008, 04:19 AM
Barbara, glad to be on the same team.

I have been working on an electric car.

This car would travel on a cushion of air,
at great speeds. Small adjustments to
existing roadways will help keep car on track.

The theory about fossil fuel not being from dinosours
is interesting, but store for further research. I think
we are on the brink of Armageddon

StompK.

stompk
03-29-2008, 05:58 AM
Up, up goes the oil. Who's makin the money?

Shadow
03-29-2008, 09:57 AM
No you rubes. The majority of oil came from dead plant life not dinosaurs. Europe had plants back then.

As for electric cars, how do you think they generate electricity? Oil!

stompk
03-31-2008, 08:33 AM
Ever move you feet across the carpet and get shocked.

That took ZERO oil. It was human energy.

Now, imagine all the energy wasted, because
we think we need oil to live.

Shadow
03-31-2008, 12:25 PM
So we chain up a few dozen rubes to crank a generator to produce enough juice to fire up a light bulb and maybe power your computer.

It's not free because you still need to feed the rubes and cloth them and.......

Energy is not free. It takes work to create it for you to use it.

Oil or wood or anything else combustible has it stored. You just have to know how to release it and how to harnass it.

stompk
04-01-2008, 05:26 AM
I come up with ideas, and you shoot them down

THIS is the problem with the world today.

Everyone is smarter than someone else.

I tell you, car in the future will travel on
cushions of air. They will use one battery bank
for power while another charges as they travel.

Currently solar and wind, and hydro are the best
electricity producers.

But there will be new ideas, new ways

How about a couple of black tubes running
up a south facing hill. At the top, turbines spin
from the are moving up the hill, as it is heated by
the sun.

Cool air in the valley, gets heated in the tube, and
rises.

But Shadow will shoot that one down too.

It's OK, I understand some folks haven't
found their true purpose yet.

Shadow
04-01-2008, 01:17 PM
My true purspose is to understand how energy is made and how to efficiently use it.

Your purpose seems to be dreaming up hairbrained ideas and not even attempting to work them through.

There are some minor inconveniences that are covered by the laws of Thermodynamics that your proposals don't seem to overcome.

Still, feel free to come up with them. As soon as there is one that actualy makes sense, I promise not to shoot it down.

I tell you, car in the future will travel on
cushions of air. They will use one battery bank
for power while another charges as they travel.

You need energy to develop that cushion of air. You even need energy to develop a magnetic field to make it look like its traveling on a cushion of air.

If the car is traveling on a bank of batteries, you need another energy source to generate power to store in the other bank of batteries.

What you may have thought about is how some cars use braking power to create energy which is stored in car batteries. The problem there is that you are converting excess motion which you are removing by braking to energy. If you want to keep the car moving you can't do that.


Currently solar and wind, and hydro are the best
electricity producers.

Yes they are. But do you know how much energy it takes to make these turbines and towers and how much they cost to buy.




How about a couple of black tubes running
up a south facing hill. At the top, turbines spin
from the are moving up the hill, as it is heated by
the sun.

Cool air in the valley, gets heated in the tube, and
rises.


This one doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

stompk
04-02-2008, 05:05 AM
Yes they are. But do you know how much energy it takes to make these turbines and towers and how much they cost to buy.


$3.29 a gallon of gas.

Once you produce a solar panel, it's good for 20-30 yrs. The secret, is to stop transmitting electricity over long distances. It should be produce more locally, each house, or at least, each neighborhood.

We lose around 30-40% produced through transmission lines. And then there is upkeep of this infrastructure. And of course, an ice storm or crashed plane can take out major areas of power, which we rely on for security, comfort.

stompk
04-03-2008, 05:58 AM
Bump to bury phone spammers

Time=Now
04-07-2008, 08:30 PM
No you rubes.
As for electric cars, how do you think they generate electricity? Oil!


:confused: :eek: Really? Are you ... 4 years old or something??? Sorry, but it's time to get serious, & I'm going to express myself, ya lube! - DO YOU REALLY THINK OIL IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET ENERGY??? You are INCREDIBLY programmed if you think that. What, is Shell.com your homepage?

Sorry, but do yourself a favor by realizing that if there were electric cars, OBVIOUSLY the energy grid would be rendered into an emergency service , if anything at all, because the SOLAR/ Battery or other source of energy that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST AROUND THE 1920's, would make people realize they could have the same system powering their homes.

Reactions & closed mindedness like your post really break my heart, because the solutions are so simple, but getting there will be apparently a little difficult, given the likes of you, eh? ... - As someone whom I admired for a short time & now hate; Al Gore had said, 'We could really lose it', (not the oil, you (profanity removed) ---> Our freedom, then our lives, then the world... - Are our daily routines really worth all of what most us us have not had the chance to explore yet? :eek: :confused:

Shadow
04-08-2008, 10:12 AM
:confused: :eek: Really? Are you ... 4 years old or something??? Sorry, but it's time to get serious, & I'm going to express myself, ya lube! - DO YOU REALLY THINK OIL IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET ENERGY??? You are INCREDIBLY programmed if you think that. What, is Shell.com your homepage?

Sorry, but do yourself a favor by realizing that if there were electric cars, OBVIOUSLY the energy grid would be rendered into an emergency service , if anything at all, because the SOLAR/ Battery or other source of energy that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST AROUND THE 1920's, would make people realize they could have the same system powering their homes.

Reactions & closed mindedness like your post really break my heart, because the solutions are so simple, but getting there will be apparently a little difficult, given the likes of you, eh? ... - As someone whom I admired for a short time & now hate; Al Gore had said, 'We could really lose it', (not the oil, you (profanity removed) ---> Our freedom, then our lives, then the world... - Are our daily routines really worth all of what most us us have not had the chance to explore yet? :eek: :confused:

I see that Intelligence is not something that concerns you much now does it?

Time=Now
04-08-2008, 06:44 PM
Excuse me??? What the hell are you talking about? You must've not seen the clear message in my post that you ASSumed merited quoting... I have no TIME FOR THIS, I''vE HAD A BAD DAY< BUT THANKFULLY IT SHALL NOT BE DIFFICULT TO PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE... - I AM NOT A THEORIST, just a very concerned person, & when you object to my post without reading it, you are insulting everyone else on this Planet, for I am trying to help the world avert an avoidable armagedon, & WHEN YOU QUOTE A GOOD POINT < ON TOP OF ALL THINGS< IT JUST SHOWS THAT WERE most probably ALL GOING TO HELL, AS UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY MENTALITIES LIKE THIS CHARACTER... DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE. IF you knew who I am, you would find that your judgments/reactions are outrageous, & I don't like you at all.

I see that you obviously don't know what is really going on, & quite frankly, I don't need to tell you to goto hell, because when you realize that the truth differs significantly to your pathetic world view, & the feeling you inevitably will have will bring you down to the place you deserve to be in for wasting my time & delaying my projects that will benefit mankind.


- Everyone! - Let's give a big hand to Mr (slightly) Mentally challenged!


- PS: You seem very critical of others, without even looking... I'm sorry, but you're a moron, especially if you don't think there's a crisis. - The crisis is that people are continuing to be slaves to the Oil industry, when we could have independent energy & not have to be paying thousands of dollars to utility & gas companies... If you are here, & are seriously not understanding this, the alert of you being a dis-info agent has been erected...

PS: HELLO??? A crime against humanity is that clean energy has been suppressed, & we should not even be having these discussions... In FACT, this site & other like should not exist... - We should not have to fight for our freedom, but actual critical thinking is apparently not something you practice.

Time=Now
04-08-2008, 07:08 PM
I see that Intelligence is not something that concerns you much now does it?

Again, this makes no sense at, given the content of what you had quoted, to use your pompous attitude. (I mean, it was on your screen) Your own medication ain't so great now, is it? :D I see it now: Your goal is to make alternative energy seem unviable... Good luck! - For example, your comment about it being expensive: The first cars were VERY expensive, but with mass production, they SOON became very affordable. - Perhaps you are afraid of being outraged if you realize that the governments don't give a rat's ass about us, put Fluoride in the water, etc, & THE POINT IS: Clean, free energy is the MOST viable & should've been implemented long ago, & I was just very angered today by given that it's spring now & I know that these issues should not be, it makes me angry... - And the time I am wasting on a reply like this (for the last time) doesn't help.

PPS: I apologize if you are referring to there being no Peak Oil, because there is an abundance of oil, & with all the good, proper uses for Oil, to burn it for energy would be like burning a Picasso for heat.

Have a nice smog filled day, because after all, this is the way it should be, right? according to:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
No you rubes.
As for electric cars, how do you think they generate electricity? Oil!

stompk
04-09-2008, 07:08 AM
Time, don't let this guy under your skin.

Shadow is a baphomet loving freemason employed
by the government to disrupt idea and articles
that give people any freedom to think outside
the matrix.

He is way outgunned, and probably only about 12.
And I think he actually may be a she. ;)

stompk
04-09-2008, 07:19 AM
Moving a vehicle through airspace takes a certain amount of energy. Why not put a fan on the car that generates a charge as you push yourself around on the tires, but when you hit the highway, the fan becomes the propeller, and pushes the car up to speed. At a certain point, a pressurized cushion of air builds up under the car and lifts it of the ground.

A small rail could be build onto existing highway structure to keep the car from drifting, but, if it were going fast enough, an air rudder system could be used. The bottom of the car would be flat, and the wheels would lift up into the car, like an aircraft, except the car would go no higher than say 6".

Then, when you want to leave the highway, you move over to a different lane, and slow down, and the car settles back down on the tires, and the propeller then again becomes a generator.

Once the car is travelling on the cushion of air, it should be able to efficiently travel for long distances, because of the higher speed, and zero friction. I have a drawing of the car, that I have been refining. Will post it soon.

Here is a rough draft

Notice the solar panels on top

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Shadow
04-10-2008, 08:59 AM
Time, don't let this guy under your skin.

Shadow is a baphomet loving freemason employed
by the government to disrupt idea and articles
that give people any freedom to think outside
the matrix.

He is way outgunned, and probably only about 12.
And I think he actually may be a she. ;)

Do you actually read (or understand) all the contradictions that you loosely write?

stompk
04-12-2008, 04:40 AM
Don't think the government employs children? Ever see the news where the 13 yr old girl is used as bait for the pedophiles?


How about posting something about the subject next time. Or else, nothing would be preferable.

Shadow
04-12-2008, 05:58 AM
Do you actually think they use a REAL minor as bait?

You must be as gullible as the Paedophiles that they catch!

Time=Now
04-12-2008, 09:45 AM
Do you actually read (or understand) all the contradictions that you loosely write?

- Thank you for providing an easy way to put you in your place for the last time :D :

---> Read what you just wrote, & apply it to yourself after taking a GOOD look at the true dynamics of reality, instead of thinking that everything 'new' you hear is propaganda, & that you are totally correct, & need to waste your time trying to argue that the sky is orange, basically, What you are doing is like Alex Jones making us think pollution is not a problem, & that it's just a front for a carbon tax, population control & eugenics. - He never mentions the solutions, & nor does Al Gore, & guess what? - Your opinion that there is no crisis is an insult to the people who know the truth more than it insults every person on this Planet who ever lived, & everyone in the future, because THE TIME IS NOW:: To realize that The way things should be & could be & must be is for mass production of solar, etc, & your ancestors struggled & strived to survive to make just you, & your father's taxes contributed to the black , special access protects where UFOs were reverse-engineered, & you yourself have paid thousands of dollars on gas & energy utility companies UNNESSESARILY! (Unless, of course, you are in fact living with your mom or something.
- STOP being negative! *^&%$^ !!! We have to work together, & live together if you currently like it or not, so let's make the best of it. - Not only do we only live once, but this is a critical time in history that will determine the future of all life on Earth... Important enough for you to realize that if the government cared anything about us, mass production of solar & or the release of free -energy devices would not be3 something we need to talk about . You pick on the people who you can, but you have nothing to say to me? Be a bit more mature please, it's another day, & we all grow, & learn new things... You should be no exception.
Have a nice day.

Shadow
04-12-2008, 11:03 AM
- Thank you for providing an easy way to put you in your place for the last time :D :

---> Read what you just wrote, & apply it to yourself after taking a GOOD look at the true dynamics of reality, instead of thinking that everything 'new' you hear is propaganda, & that you are totally correct, & need to waste your time trying to argue that the sky is orange, basically, What you are doing is like Alex Jones making us think pollution is not a problem, & that it's just a front for a carbon tax, population control & eugenics. - He never mentions the solutions, & nor does Al Gore, & guess what? - Your opinion that there is no crisis is an insult to the people who know the truth more than it insults every person on this Planet who ever lived, & everyone in the future, because THE TIME IS NOW:: To realize that The way things should be & could be & must be is for mass production of solar, etc, & your ancestors struggled & strived to survive to make just you, & your father's taxes contributed to the black , special access protects where UFOs were reverse-engineered, & you yourself have paid thousands of dollars on gas & energy utility companies UNNESSESARILY! (Unless, of course, you are in fact living with your mom or something.
- STOP being negative! *^&%$^ !!! We have to work together, & live together if you currently like it or not, so let's make the best of it. - Not only do we only live once, but this is a critical time in history that will determine the future of all life on Earth... Important enough for you to realize that if the government cared anything about us, mass production of solar & or the release of free -energy devices would not be3 something we need to talk about . You pick on the people who you can, but you have nothing to say to me? Be a bit more mature please, it's another day, & we all grow, & learn new things... You should be no exception.
Have a nice day.


Can you repeat this after you come back to earth? Thanks in advance!

Time=Now
04-12-2008, 09:23 PM
Hmm. How can I do this without actually helping someone I want to ___ for insulting my intelligence?

---> Being a kid, you could spend your time learning things, & one thing that shouldn't be too hard for you is : Having the last word means NOTHING. - You quoted several good points as if what I had said was ridiculous, but you know what? UFOs may be far out, but are as real as you being a sad, pathetic moron, whom everyone can see how wrong you are... - It may be too much text for you to read, but rest assured, others are reading, & can see just how WRONG you are , in every way!

So every thing's fine, I'm just a nut, & you're a rational, clear-thinker... REALLY... - And you think I'm delusional.????? :rolleyes: - I'm sure there's a mental hospital not too far away in your area. You would fit right in! - Don't forget your tin hat though... -And don't tell them you're a member of this forum, they are liable to laugh at you, & call you a nut... :p

Shadow
04-13-2008, 01:40 PM
Time,

In the short time that I have known you I have come to regard you as an old friend.

Not in the sense of a friend that is human, intelligent and of a stable mind, but more in the sense of a recurring bout of indigestion that you know will come back everytime you have a burrito.

Time=Now
04-13-2008, 06:12 PM
Time,

In the short time that I have known you I have come to regard you as an old friend.

Not in the sense of a friend that is human, intelligent and of a stable mind, but more in the sense of a recurring bout of indigestion that you know will come back everytime you have a burrito.

DUDE! I mean no personal attack, afterall, I dont know you, & you dont know me, but given your response to my replies to your idea that there is no crisis, one can only feel resentment.

Look, we are living in the most incredible time in history... Have an open mind, & be kind.

--- The light of knowledge disempowers the shadow... The shadow of darkness, the shadow of secrets... The shadow of deception... The shadow of being left in the dark, thinking there is no energy crisis.

Shadow
04-14-2008, 10:13 AM
Look, we are living in the most incredible time in history... Have an open mind, & be kind.


Dude, I do and I am.

It is you that has a disturbed mind and is taking an unkind tone to me.

kachoo
04-14-2008, 04:44 PM
it's all to keep us side tracked..

Time=Now
04-15-2008, 05:18 AM
Time, don't let this guy under your skin.

Shadow is a baphomet loving freemason employed
by the government to disrupt idea and articles
that give people any freedom to think outside
the matrix.

He is way outgunned, and probably only about 12.


Exactly ;-)

Quote:
Currently solar and wind, and hydro are the best
electricity producers.

Your reply: ---> Yes they are. But do you know how much energy it takes to make these turbines and towers and how much they cost to buy.

---> Why this pissed me off (disturbed me): It's true only due to the suppression. - If the government cared a rat's ass about us, mass production of clean energy, such as solar/batter cars, etc. would've occurred LONG ago...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
Your reply: ---> No you rubes.
As for electric cars, how do you think they generate electricity? Oil!

---> Why this pissed me off: It's a completely ridiculous statement. - You think the excuse to be 'green' by coming out with hybrid vehicles that burn just as much gas as an average car are the 'electric cars' ?? Sure, Oil would be used to make the Solar panels, & that is an appropriate use for it. Burning it is clearly not.

PS: What do you expect childish comments due to a stubborn attitude to not even read post just because you're afraid you were proven wrong; like 'come back to Earth will cause?

--- End of 'conversation' ---

stompk
04-17-2008, 04:11 AM
What is it costing us to NOT develop them. If half the money put into exploration for oil was put into research for better solar, better wind, we would need the explorers.

Shadow
04-18-2008, 07:03 AM
This may be too complicated for you stumpy!

ALEXOR
04-18-2008, 12:33 PM
I watched it and thought it was prettty intresting

i personally feel its great proof of how the "oil crisis" is played out hard

my only worry would be the creditabliy of this person
i beleieve him!

but will brainwashed people be quick to jump and attack him?>

Time=Now
04-18-2008, 01:32 PM
Yeah, of course there is no Oil Crisis! Do you realize the many millions of years of struggling & striving to survive have gone by to make the oil, which is the blood of the Earth, & should be STAYING in the ground anyways???? WHO CARES??? Address the REAL issues, such as the fact that the government has done a very good job at keeping clean, free energy generating tech out of the market, & while people are arguing about crap, a thousand barrels a second are being burned NEEDLESSLY, while greedy companies benefit from the gov's secrecy & deception, & take all your money... - It's VERY simple... Are we going to start burning coal too? Will it take your own mothers dying from air pollution to make you wake up? I'm SOOOO sick of this, to say so is an understatement.

Have a good weekend... You'll have time to checkout my site, which pops up when you click my profile.