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04-11-2008, 07:16 AM
At the tower of Babel, God causes the tribes to not be able to communicate with each other.

So, communication would become grunts, and hand gesture.

Is it possible monkeys are descendants of man?

Babel - Babylonion -Baboonian - Baboon.

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04-11-2008, 07:56 AM
If a baboon was to read this, I am sure he or she would be greatly insulted!

You logic is flawed in that you are assuming that the Babalonians understood english while the zigurat was being erected. This was not the case. The "Tower of Babel" is a simplified translation of the "The Great Zigurat" for the benefit of readers such as yourself.

04-11-2008, 08:36 AM
The word "monkey" is of uncertain origin; its first known usage was in 1498 when it was used in the literary work Reynard the Fox as the name of the son of Martin the Ape. "Monkey" has numerous nautical meanings, such as a small coastal trading vessel, single masted with a square sail of the 16th and 17th centuries; a small wooden cask in which grog was carried after issue from a grog-tub to the seamen's messes in the Royal Navy; a type of marine steam reciprocating engine where two engines were used together in tandem on the same propeller shaft; and a sailor whose job involved climbing and moving swiftly (usage dating to 1858). A "monkey boat" was a narrow vessel used on canals (usage dating to 1858); a "monkey gaff" is a small gaff on large merchant vessels; a "monkey jacket" is a close fitting jacket worn by sailors; "monkey spars" are small masts and yards on vessels used for the "instruction and exercise of boys;" and a "monkey pump" is a straw used to suck the liquid from a small hole in a cask; a "monkey block" was used in the rigging of sailing ships; "monkey island" is a ship's upper bridge; "monkey drill" was calisthenics by naval personnel (usage dating to 1895); and "monkey march" is close order march by US Marine Corps personnel (usage dating to 1952).
Term: brass monkey (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq107.htm)

The word ape is mentioned in the bible
1 Kings 10:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

22For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

Are the apes referred to hear, actually sailors, or slaves.

The word "monkey" is never mentioned in the bible.

Monkeys, or apes were never mentioned in the Noah story.

Chimpanzees looked like the most obvious candidates for this approach - humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor about 8 million years ago and we still have about 98 per cent of the same genes
Old World monkeys and baboons in particular, soon became the anthropologists' "model primate", the best-guess picture of an ancient blueprint from which we humans evolved. Now some researchers are suggesting that for the past 30 years this "baboon bias" has warped the story of human origins. As Rendall points out, "Everyone latched on to the cercopithecine model because they were so well studied and they all seemed to be alike, and so everyone called that the normative higher primate."

Making a monkey of human nature - 10 June 1995 - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14619814.300-making-a-monkey-of-human-nature.html)

04-11-2008, 08:59 AM
I can safely say that I have never met a monkey that I ever liked. The domesticated ones are nasty spiteful creaters who tend to hate humans either for having them locked up or making them dress up in silly costumes and doing silly tricks.

Baboons on the other hand are relatively indefirrent to humans, they prefer spending their time picking insects from each other.

04-11-2008, 09:03 AM
Another interesting coincedence.

The baboon held several positions in Egyptian mythology. The baboon god Baba, was worshipped in Pre-Dynastic times; alternatively, this may be the origin of the animal's name.
baboon | English | Dictionary & Translation by Babylon (http://www.babylon.com/definition/baboon/English)


The baboon had great religious significance. As mentioned, Baba was worshipped in pre-dynastic times and may even be the origin of the name baboon. Baba was fierce and bloodthirsty, described in Old Kingdom literature as the bull or dominant male of the baboon group. He was said to murder on sight and feast on human entrails; conversely he used magical powers to ward off dangerous snakes and calm turbulent seas. He was attributed supernatural aggression, something to which Pharaoh aspired. He was able to open the doors to heaven, for his phallus was the bolt on the doors and additionally the mast on the ferryboat to the underworld. Later the baboon came to be more closely associated with Thoth, the aforesaid god of wisdom, science and measurement. He directed Thoth’s scribes in their duties. He carried out Thoth’s measurement assignments and is depicted at the spout of water clocks and presiding over the scales on which the hearts of the deceased are weighed. He guarded the first gate of the underworld.

As described in chapter 155 of the Book of the Dead, four baboons sit at the corners of a pool of fire in the afterlife. And the aforementioned Hapy, with his baboon head, kept watch over the lungs of the deceased. Indeed, the canopic jar that held the lungs frequently had a baboon head on its lid. The wisest of the Egyptian deities, Thoth is usually depicted as an ibis (a long-beaked bird) or a baboon-headed man that carries a reed pen and writing tablet which signify his status as scribe of the gods. Thoth overcame the curse of Ra, allowing Nut to give birth to her five children. He helped Isis bring Osiris back from the dead and drove Seth’s poison from her son. Through wisdom and magic, he supported Horus during his deadly battle with Seth. It was he who disguised himself as a baboon and followed Tefnut to Nubia, from whence he persuaded her to return to be reunited with Ra. In the earliest creation myths Thoth was the voice of Ptah as Ptah emerges from the cosmic egg. In some he is named the son of Ptah. No matter how named or depicted, his wisdom was always sought.

Thoth was also variously known as Djehuti, Tehuti, Zehuti, Djhowtey, and, in Ptolemaic times, as Hermes Trismegisus, identified by the Greeks with their own god. Because of this association, Thoths center of worship is known to us as Hermopolis. Sharp of perception and named “he that knows all that is,” Thoth is credited with the invention of mathematics, astronomy and engineering. It was supposedly he who gave humankind 365 days a year and even measured the waters in the Nile. According to Egyptian legend, Thoth – “He who reckons the Heavens, the counter of the stars, and the measurer of the earth” – bequeathed to his successors the Book of Thoth, which was said to contain sacred formulae for the regeneration of humanity and the expansion of human consciousness that would afford a glimpse of the gods. Some say the Book of Thoth was contained in a sealed, golden box and hidden in a temple....
Ancient Egypt Thoth God of Wisdom Amulet Necklace 250BC on eBid.net Canada (http://ca.nine.ebid.net/perl/auction.cgi?auction=1159051490-12207-576&mo=auction)

Now check out this pic. Doesn't it look like two baboons worshipping a symbol for a tower?
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04-11-2008, 02:04 PM
What do you know of these Ancient Baboons?