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stompk
05-23-2008, 05:14 AM
I here to talk about the Masons.

I was posting on ATS (Above Top Secret) conspiracy forum, and found out a guy name Theron Dunn (a Mason) had passed away at 51 yrs old from kidney failure.

What I found, was that Theron had recently been posting negative information about the Shriners. To be a Shriner, one must be a master Mason.


In the interests full disclosure, I want to start this off by stating that I joined Al Malikah Shrine in Los Angeles in March of 2004 in a “Cold Sands” ceremonial. I dimited from the Shrine in March of 2005 after just one year of disappointment.
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Then there is the issue of money. The Shrine is awash in money, literally. IRS records show that just over 5% of the money the Shrine takes in yearly is actually spent on their hospitals and other charities. The rest stays with the Shrine to support their various internal activities.

Beacon of Masonic Light: Is It Time For The Shrine And Freemasonry To Separate? (http://beaconofmasoniclight.blogspot.com/2007/10/is-it-time-for-shrine-and-freemasonry.html)

5%????
And they are under non-profit status. And don't try and tell me how much good the effen Shriner hospital do. The HAVE to do SOMETHING, in order to hide under their tax shelter.

When they bring in around $400,000,000 a year, nearly 1/2 billion, they spend $20 million on actual charity, which includes paying hospital staff, etc.

Now, has anyone noticed all of their charities (Masonic) center around children. Is that because they care about children so much?

No, it's because they're a bunch of pedophilia pigs.


Federal court documents filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, Miami Division, related to case number 07-21228, list 19 witnesses who are believed to be members of the Royal Order of Jesters (ROJ) AKA Shriners AKA Masons, who are expected to testify about fishing trips to Brazil and:

“their first hand knowledge of prostitution, minor prostitution, use of illegal drugs and/or entry into Indian reservations by Schair (plaintiff) and/or his customers.”

Newsvine - "Jesters" To Testify about Illegal Drugs, Child Prostitution? (http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/06/1347611-jesters-to-testify-about-illegal-drugs-child-prostitution)

Now this is just one case. There are more, but the Shriners/Freemasons are a very powerful organization, with more than 3 million members in the US alone, probably many more.

They are judges, cops, lawyers, you name it. In all high levels of politics, and business, expect some Freemasons to be running things.

To be a non-profit, one need to be unaffiliated with any politics. Seems the IRS looks past the Freemason/Shriners/Elks etc.

But the have their little parades, with their gay little hats, attracting children like wolves in sheeps clothing.

And Theron Dunn?

I'm convinced he was murdered, by poisoning.

He died from sudden renal failure, due to kidney poisoning.

This whole organization has to come down!!

They have instilled presidents (Bush is a Mason) and many top level military
general.


This was an email sent out about 3 weeks ago to all Texas Masons by a mason going by the name of Sam Houston. He charges that a secret group within the Shriners called the Royal Order of Jesters is involved in an illegal prostitution and illegal gambling ring. He chose a very fitting name since Sam Houston was the first Grandmaster of the Grand Lodge of Texas. Here is the email that was sent:
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While in the shrine I was very active. Taking my family with me on the weekends to events was a very exciting time in my life, and the life of my family. I was approached in the Shrine and was told that I was a good Shriner and that I was invited to join a secret society within the Shrine--The Royal Order of Jesters.
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The initiation practices have not changed as well. Prostitutes were offered/made available at our functions and often brothers would have sex in front of other brothers.

Oral sex competitions between brothers were considered “fun” activities to build a strong brotherhood bond between members of the Royal Order of Jesters.

The Royal Order of Jesters (http://freemasonrywatch.org/royalorderofjesters.html)

What a bunch of freaks!!!

What do you expect, when you call yourself a Worshipful Master.

Burn in Hell boys, burn in Hell.

stompk
05-23-2008, 05:29 AM
Here's a good video, putting down the Masons.

Warning, has some foul language

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KennyWally
05-23-2008, 02:33 PM
oh c'mon....


they ARE doing their part for satan!

you should give them some credit....lol [sorry, it's not really funny at all]



but, getting serious, there's not much you or I or anyone can do about them. [ no I'm not suggesting giving them a pass ] but how does one condemn those who have no idea what they are part or and are unaware of?

I have a co-worker that is a mason and a Christian and he's a real decent guy. I've been trying to figure out how to breach this subject without offending him and losing the friendship we have. it's not an easy task.


anyways, there are other satanists doing this stuff as well, and the cops knowingly or unknowingly cover it up....I think it is through advisors. I don't think that real cops if they knew, would cover it up, but I think it is one of passing the buck, by taking it out of their hands and by deferring to "an expert " that it is being covered up that way.

this guys has some incredible info that will never be in mainstream media;

index (http://www.williamhkennedy.com/)

BlueAngel
05-23-2008, 02:52 PM
PIGS!

Oh, come on.

You don't think it will be mainstream media, someday?

I beg to DIFFER!

KennyWally
05-23-2008, 07:42 PM
PIGS!

Oh, come on.

You don't think it will be mainstream media, someday?

I beg to DIFFER!



well......maybe after the antichrist makes a move...

perhaps technically it is going on symbolically

we got wrestling, and abortion, and the kidnappings

i.e., sanctioned violence, sanctioned murder, and known kidnappings [ most likely for sacrifices and ritual abuse ]

so B.A., part of it is already out there, it's just that most folks have not made the paradigm shift in their perception to see the truth of the matter. [ for this AND other things ]

BlueAngel
05-23-2008, 09:52 PM
well......maybe after the antichrist makes a move...

perhaps technically it is going on symbolically

we got wrestling, and abortion, and the kidnappings

i.e., sanctioned violence, sanctioned murder, and known kidnappings [ most likely for sacrifices and ritual abuse ]

so B.A., part of it is already out there, it's just that most folks have not made the paradigm shift in their perception to see the truth of the matter. [ for this AND other things ]

Well, Mr. Wally, most people don't accept it as a truth because it has not made mainstream media other than in trickles.

There has never been a FEDERAL CASE against very famous people involved in this "cult" and their atrocities upon children in mind control programs and used in pedophile rings, mafia/cia pornography and the music industry as sex slaves, due to the lack of witnesses and EVIDENCE, but that is about to change.

Most people are uninformed as to this subject matter because it has been kept very secret so it certainly isn't because they have no interest in it and, as you well know, if they do have an interest, read books, search the web, there are many DA's out there such as the likes of David Icke who muddy the waters so those who become interested most probably find too much conflicting and unbelievable information about it, such as THE shape shifting lizard THEORY and, therefore, deem most of it to be rubbish.

JUST THE WAY THEY INTENDED WHEN THEY EMPLOYED THEIR MIND CONTROL AGENTS IN THIS REGARD!

You see, EVIDENCE is key.

That's what my COMRADES needed. That's what I gave them and it will soon be presented.

There is no anti-christ.

There is CHRIST!

Seems you're more willing to accept the DEVIL than you are to acknowledge GOD.

If this is the case then you have fallen into their trap.

I would suggest that you do as I did.

Deny his existence for he is not real.

stompk
05-24-2008, 08:15 AM
The reason I pick on the Masons, is because the are the worlds largest secret cult.

And in this day and age, when getting a symbol of death tatood on your body is considered cool, I would suggest, yes, they are leading people away from God.

The further people move away from God, the worse things get for us.

More murder, rape, crime, war, famine, weather manipulation, genetic modification, mind control psy-ops, the list is endless.

Evil, is a collective conscious. In my opinion, Prince Charles is wanting to step in to lead the "dark side of the force".

After all, America is still, just a British Corporation. When the Virginia Colonies (all English) were formed, they had debt the the British Royalty. George Washington was a member of all of this, and a Freemason, and in the House of Burgoness, and a loyal British soldier.

He fought against the English, and then to pay the debt to the English, instilled the Whisky Tax. Basically, in my opinion, Washington was an Elite, British Crown stooge.

Since then, we have been in the grips of the CommonWealth, aka Queen Elizabeth II.

BlueAngel
05-24-2008, 11:02 PM
Yes, America is a servant of the British Empire.

KennyWally
05-25-2008, 03:10 PM
"" the Masons, is because the are the worlds largest secret cult.""


yeah, but the real problem is, most of the members haven't got a clue.

try explaining THAT, to the avg person on the street! [ can you say, DEER IN HEADLIGHTS ? ]lmao

stompk
05-26-2008, 06:32 AM
yeah, but the real problem is, most of the members haven't got a clue.

try explaining THAT, to the avg person on the street! [ can you say, DEER IN HEADLIGHTS ? ]lmao

Belonging to a secret society, where you take an oath on a bible, or whatever your holy book is, one should do their homework.

There are no excuses. Many members of the Nazi's didn't know of attrocities. Has society forgiven them?

KennyWally
05-26-2008, 04:27 PM
"" Belonging to a secret society, where you take an oath on a bible, or whatever your holy book is, one should do their homework. ""


a while back, I seen a great dvd by barry smith

who was talking about masons. he gave a great definition which

testifies to my comment..." a mason is a person who joins an organization, that they know nothing about "


and to your comment about them taking an oath, you have mis-spoken. they SWEAR a BLOOD OATH on the bible, which Jesus said 3 times to never do. He said to "let your yes be yes and your no be no" and He only spoke of swearing....the blood oath is strictly satanic and should be known by all Christians, but obviously, like a lot of other things, is not.

I wonder who it was to introduce, "swearing" on the Bible, in court?...a mason?

BlueAngel
05-26-2008, 05:12 PM
The REAL PROBLEM isn't that most of the members don't have a clue, the REAL PROBLEM lies within the wealthy, powerful group of elitists, banksters and Zionists who control our world and have no concern whatsoever for the citizens whom they are suppose to serve, because they've been placed into power through fixed elections and promised Senate seats for life in return for favors, climbing up to the ladder to fortune, fame and power, sexually blackmailed and otherwise.

The "pawns" who take an oath on the Bible are a dime a dozen.

KennyWally
05-26-2008, 05:17 PM
The REAL PROBLEM isn't that most of the members don't have a clue, the REAL PROBLEM lies within the wealthy, powerful group of elitists, banksters and Zionists who control our world and have no concern whatsoever for the citizens whom they are suppose to serve, because they've been placed into power through fixed elections and promised Senate seats for life in return for favors, climbing up to the ladder to fortune, fame and power, sexually blackmailed and otherwise.

The "pawns" who take an oath on the Bible are a time a dozen.


very true, I only mention it, because it is had for folks to grasp the concept of belonging to an organization such as this without having a clue as to what they are really about....and typically mason bashers get in trouble with decent masons by not understanding the deception involved...

so, if they at least have a heads up, they may avoid putting their foot in their mouth...:-)

BlueAngel
05-26-2008, 05:25 PM
I really could care less about Masons.

The root of the problem lies within the corrupt entity that controls the United State's of America and her people.

The secret government.

I don't care if they're Freemasons, Skull and Bones, etc.

They work for the same people.

The BANKSTERS; the Zionist Jews.

The fact of the matter is that our country is being BLEED dry by the EVIL DOERS; the people of this country are being left unemployed and their money is being siphoned from them at the gas pumps and neither Hilary, Obama or McCain for that matter when ushered into the White House will be able to do one thing about it.

They serve the same masters.

The Light
07-07-2008, 07:59 AM
This is too funny. Did you "seen" them swear a blood oath on a table?

I can tell you for a fact, that Masons do not swear a blood oath on a table.

I'm really happy that I stumbled across this website. You are all so intelligent that you can't even read your posts and edit them before you save them. It's hard to believe that you people have higher than a 3rd grade education.

Ozziecynic
07-29-2008, 05:55 AM
I'm really happy that I stumbled across this website. You are all so intelligent that you can't even read your posts and edit them before you save them. It's hard to believe that you people have higher than a 3rd grade education.
:confused:If the site is so moronic for you why are you visiting and posting thus wasting your superior precise time.
In answer to the thread question Freemasons in my well considered view are nothing but psuedo and inverted Gnostics whom rather than trying to just find God within themselves like most Gnostics go one step further and try create an artificial heaven on earth according to the dictates of mans intellect and rationality which they presume to begin and end with mans EGO thinking themselves better than God thus Christ they seek to be their own Gods and usher in the fake messiah known better as lucifer or the light bringer. conclusion they will surely fail and a lake of molten fire awaits there failure.There we go all dicatated in my own words.:cool:

KSigMason
08-24-2008, 11:17 PM
Some of this sounds like dissent from a bitter member who joined for the wrong reasons. If any member has committed a crime they should be punished and no true Mason would help a Brother cover up a crime. Just because the men hang out and committed crimes does not mean the entire organization follows their ideals. You don't cut down a tree because a branch has some bad apples, not when that tree has yielded so many good apples.

Ozziecynic
08-31-2008, 05:49 AM
Some of this sounds like dissent from a bitter member who joined for the wrong reasons. If any member has committed a crime they should be punished and no true Mason would help a Brother cover up a crime.

Which is most ex masons and hell there alot of them that fit that description even in my family!. Heres a question would you cover up a crime for a brother plus commit perjury because he was a fellow mason. A straight answer would be appreciated so that doesnt mean making rings around the question thankyou sir demon puppet.:confused:

KSigMason
08-31-2008, 11:34 AM
Heres a question would you cover up a crime for a brother plus commit perjury because he was a fellow mason.
I would not cover up a crime nor commit perjury. I would tell the truth even if it would put a brother in jail. Is that a straight enough answer, Oh Blind One.

rowton
09-02-2008, 06:28 PM
I would not cover up a crime nor commit perjury. I would tell the truth even if it would put a brother in jail.


Would you allow a brother to cover up a crime and commit perjury for you?

KSigMason
09-02-2008, 07:40 PM
Would you allow a brother to cover up a crime and commit perjury for you?
I would not allow it, nor do our Oaths.

Leonardo
09-06-2008, 02:16 AM
Listen, the first problem you've got to solve with these so-called freemasons is their own ignorance of what group they are involved with. Yes, I've spoken to many freemasons, and they always try to give me some nebulous answer concerning the brotherhood, and I just play stupid as if I don't have the slightest clue. But I say this, the Pimps of the freemasons, I mean the real ghetto pimps are the main problem herein. You know what I'm saying, I'm talking about those 33rd degreers who think they've arrived at something.

Idiots. A lot of them live in Arkansas too, so it's not surprising.

--Fra

KSigMason
09-15-2008, 10:51 PM
I just play stupid as if I don't have the slightest clue.
Well, unless you've been in you would not have the slightest clue.

But I say this, the Pimps of the freemasons, I mean the real ghetto pimps are the main problem herein. You know what I'm saying, I'm talking about those 33rd degreers who think they've arrived at something.
33rd degree is quite an accomplishment. No one should be arrogant, but to call them pimps is rather rude.

Idiots. A lot of them live in Arkansas too, so it's not surprising.
Really? I'm pretty sure there are much more Freemasons in the New England area.

stompk
09-24-2008, 06:03 PM
Who is the top mason?

KSigMason
09-24-2008, 07:18 PM
Who is the top mason?
Depends. Do you want to know Blue Lodge? York Rite bodies? Scottish Rite bodies? Shriners?

Blue Lodge: Each US State and country is autonomous unto itself. Each Grand Lodge gets its charter from another Grand jurisdiction, usually the one closest to it.

York Rite: There is a National bodies that has a head person.

Scottish Rite: The is the Supreme Council of the Northern Jurisdiction (really small) and the Supreme Council of the Southern Jurisdiction (very large).

Not sure about the Shriners though.

stompk
09-24-2008, 10:12 PM
Glad to see you are paying attention

How about Queen Elizabeth II.

She is head of Order of the Garter.

Also, head of Knights of Malta.

Please, be honest.

whom do you give loyalty to?

PS< I see you have the symbol for the OES. Are you a woman? DO you realize the power (or lack of) of your symbol?

KSigMason
09-24-2008, 10:19 PM
How about Queen Elizabeth II.

She is head of Order of the Garter.

Also, head of Knights of Malta.
That must be in England, not America. Each region/country is usually autonomous unto itself. In the various bodies of the English grand jurisdiction the royal family has much influence. Not the case in America.

whom do you give loyalty to?
That also depends. I have many loyalties. I swore an oath of loyalty when I joined the Army. I'm a loyal Christian. I'm loyal to my family and friends. I am also loyal to my Lodge which elects me to my position.

PS< I see you have the symbol for the OES. Are you a woman? DO you realize the power (or lack of) of your symbol?
No I'm a guy. Guys can join the OES, but that symbol specifically is the Kappa Sigma badge (http://www.kappasigma-iup.com/media/images/KappaSigmaBadge.jpg).

KSigMason
09-24-2008, 10:21 PM
If you see my introduction thread you see that I joined the Freemasons and the Kappa Sigma college fraternity.

stompk
09-28-2008, 07:39 AM
No I'm a guy. Guys can join the OES, but that symbol specifically is the Kappa Sigma badge.
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Do you know about the second commandment?

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.



ΚΣ (Kappa Sigma) is an international fraternity with currently 216 chapters and 29 colonies in North America. There have been more than 250,000 initiates, of which more than 182,500 are living and more than 12,000 are undergraduates. It is currently the leader of all American fraternities in terms of pledges and new initiates per year, service hours, and philanthropic donations

Kappa Sigma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Sigma)

Do you realize the eternal consequences of your decisions?

KSigMason
09-28-2008, 01:35 PM
Do you know about the second commandment?
Do you know the meaning of the Star & Crescent? I did not think so. It has so many symbolic meanings towards the Abrahamic religions.

The Star & Crescent does not break the 2nd Commandment. I've talked with Christian authorities and they agree it does not.

It is currently the leader of all American fraternities in terms of pledges and new initiates per year, service hours, and philanthropic donations
What is so wrong with this. I personally have given thousands of community service hours and donated money on behalf of my chapter to hospitals or charities.


Do you realize the eternal consequences of your decisions?
To what? I have done nothing wrong.

stompk
09-28-2008, 01:58 PM
Do you know the meaning of the Star & Crescent? I did not think so. It has so many symbolic meanings towards the Abrahamic religions


Please.


The star and crescent symbol itself is very ancient, dating back to early Sumerian civilization, where it was associated with the sun God and moon Goddess (one early appearance dates to 2100 BCE), and later, with Goddesses Tanit and even Diana.
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Today, the star and crescent is widely accepted as a symbol of the Islamic faith
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It is, however, not accepted by all Muslims- many Muslims consider it un-Islamic and even blasphemous.

Islamic star and crescent (http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsstarcrescent.htm)

Not to mention the star is inverted


During the 20th century, Satanists inverted the upright pentacle and adopted it as their own symbol. However, the symbol is most commonly shown with the head of a goat

PENTACLES AND PENTAGRAMS (http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_pent.htm)

And then we have the skull and bones in your symbolism.


A skull and crossbones is a symbol consisting of a human skull and two bones crossed together under the skull. Today, it is generally used as a warning of danger (usually in regard to poisonous substances).


Skull and crossbones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones)

At Mission Santa Barbara, a religious outpost founded in California in 1786, stone "skull and crossbone" carvings denote the cemetery entrance.

Skull and crossbones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones)

Yet, you and your secret cult instill in young people that this is cool, and push your movies showing how cool the pirates are.


THE PIRATE MASON.

FREEMASONS MONTHLY MAGAZINE - 1842

THE PIRATE MASON (http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/oct03/pirate_mason.htm)


It is interesting to note that Pirates also called themselves 'Brethren of the Sea'; Members of the Masonic Order are also referred to as 'Brethren'

shipwrecks of the cayman islands: A ... - Google Book Search (http://books.google.com/books?id=Ff2wnMNycfIC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=masonic+pirate&source=web&ots=jA_IGhDv0L&sig=5B21Cd-LeLU4HLGindqgjW93dKE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result)

theonewillcome
10-02-2008, 03:44 PM
Jesus did nothing in secret, but your kind hide everything. The best thing is, you and your Jesuit satanic worshipping masters, are being exposed for who they really are and what they represent. There is little we can do against such a powerfull organisation, however through faith in Christ, you are powerless.

Enjoy your Godless fornications for you have little time left, better that you leave and seek redemption before your time expires, seek Jesus before Lucifer devours what remains of your soul.

KSigMason
10-22-2008, 08:37 PM
Jesus did nothing in secret, but your kind hide everything. The best thing is, you and your Jesuit satanic worshipping masters, are being exposed for who they really are and what they represent. There is little we can do against such a powerfull organisation, however through faith in Christ, you are powerless.

Enjoy your Godless fornications for you have little time left, better that you leave and seek redemption before your time expires, seek Jesus before Lucifer devours what remains of your soul.
Ah, another religious zealot who tows some archaic idea that freethinkers are bad. Don't worry about my soul, I have done nothing wrong.

theonewillcome
10-23-2008, 04:29 AM
I am not worried about your soul, however i think you should be. You claim to be a Christian, yet Christianity opposes everything the Freemasons stand for. Just because they have an open bible and allow you in as a Christian doesn't mean it has Christian origins, the signs and symbols are satanic in every form and if you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. The venus fly trap puts out nice odours to attract the fly, but when it goes in it becomes trapped and devoured, that is what is happening to your soul, it is being devoured slowly, wake up before it's too late.
My Father was a Freemason and my mother and were both Christians, they both left when they realised the error of their ways, but it left many scars on our family, for many years.

KSigMason
10-23-2008, 08:51 AM
You claim to be a Christian, yet Christianity opposes everything the Freemasons stand for.
Okay, where? What says "you can't join Freemasonry"?

I read something yesterday that talked about the Church had retracted it's ban on Freemasons, but I'll have to check that out when I get home from work. The orginial banning and condemnation started with the Catholic Church, which was baseless in the first place.

Just because they have an open bible and allow you in as a Christian doesn't mean it has Christian origins, the signs and symbols are satanic in every form and if you think otherwise you are deluding yourself.
The lore/legend of the Freemasons delves into Judeo-Christian history; that of Solomon's Temple. Many of symbols are impliments of Masonry (tools for the lamen). Well, unless you know the true meaning of the symbols you can't really say they are satanic can you? If you are not in the society then you are not privy to its meaning. So call me deluded, but it will just fall on deaf ears.

My Father was a Freemason and my mother and were both Christians, they both left when they realised the error of their ways, but it left many scars on our family, for many years.
Well, you get what you put into it. Many members expect a lot without putting anything into it so they usually leave with bitterness.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Dear Mr. Worshipful Master,

Why do you have to be a Christian to be a Freemason if Freemasonry is not a religion?

You know why?

It's purely a COVER.

By connecting themselves to GOD and CHILDREN'S CHARITIES, they are less likely to be criticized.

THEY ARE A VERY LARGE "MALE ONLY" SECRET SOCIETY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.

You have already been "conditioned" to repeat the mantra.

Freemasonry helps CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.

Repeat after me!

They can do no wrong.

Freemasonry helps CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:22 PM
Why do you have to be a Christian to be a Freemason if Freemasonry is not a religion?
You can be any religion and join. The most recent Past Master of my Lodge is Jewish.

THEY ARE A VERY LARGE "MALE ONLY" SECRET SOCIETY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.
Well the Masons are a fraternity. Fraternity coming from the Latin word frater meaning brother.

They can do no wrong.
I never said that, but you are alluding that they do nothing, but wrong. They are still men and err just like anyone else.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:24 PM
You can be any religion and join. The most recent Past Master of my Lodge is Jewish.


Well the Masons are a fraternity. Fraternity coming from the Latin word frater meaning brother.


I never said that, but you are alluding that they do nothing, but wrong. They are still men and err just like anyone else.

IF FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE A RELIGION TO JOIN?

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:29 PM
If Freemasonry Is Not A Religion And This Secret Society Does Not Use Religion As A Cover, Why Is It Required That One Must Be A Christian To Join This Secret Society?

EXPLAIN.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:31 PM
IF FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE A RELIGION TO JOIN?
Otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him. No atheists allowed.

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy.
It offers no sacraments.
It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:35 PM
Otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him. No atheists allowed.

What a BS answer.

You say, Freemasonry is not a religion, but you can't join unless you're a Christian because otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him.

HUH?

Makes no sense, Pal.

If it's not a RELIGION, why does it require that you be a religion to join?

If Freemasonry isn't a religion, why is it that no obligation would be considered binding upon a member unless they were Christian?

No atheists are allowed, I guess, cause Freemasonry isn't a religion.

Huh?

Makes no sense, Pal.

Think before you type.

THEY hide behind the guise of RELIGION just like the Catholic Church's pedophile priests do.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Freemasonry is not a religion, but you can't join unless you're a Christian because otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him.
Did you even read what I said before about it's open to ALL religions, not just Christian.

No atheists are allowed, I guess, cause Freemasonry isn't a religion.
Did you even take a look at the quoted box I posted? I'll post it again:

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy
It offers no sacraments.
It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:40 PM
Did you even read what I said before about it's open to ALL religions, not just Christian.


Did you even take a look at the quoted box I posted? I'll post it again:

[/LIST][/INDENT]

Who cares that it's open to all religions.

It's stated that FREEMASONRY isn't a religion, but you have to be a religion to become a member.

Explain that one, pal.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Who cares that it's open to all religions.
So when you're wrong you just dismiss it as no one cares, but it was a part of your argument?

It's stated that FREEMASONRY isn't a religion, but you have to be a religion to become a member.

Explain that one, pal.
Read the box I posted.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:47 PM
So when you're wrong you just dismiss it as no one cares, but it was a part of your argument?


Read the box I posted.


As I said, explain why I should care that it is open to all religions?

THE POINT IS THAT FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, BUT ONE MUST BE A RELIGION TO JOIN.

Apparently, you can't explain that one.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:50 PM
THE POINT IS THAT FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, BUT ONE MUST BE A RELIGION TO JOIN.

Apparently, you can't explain that one.
I guess I'll put more clearly:

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy
It offers no sacraments.
It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:52 PM
I guess I'll put more clearly:

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy
It offers no sacraments.
It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.

If Freemasonry requires that you believe in GOD and are of a religion to become a member, but espouses it is not a RELIGION, something is wrong there, pal.

It's a religion of its' own kind.

They've just hoodwinked you into believing they're of the Christian sort.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:54 PM
If Freemasonry requires that you believe in GOD and are of a religion to become a member, but espouses it is not a RELIGION, something is wrong there, pal.
Really? How?

It's a religion of its' own kind.
By definition, no its not.

They've just hoodwinked you into believing they're of the Christian sort.
Nope. They don't hoodwink anyone into believing they are a particular religion since that is not allowed in the Lodge.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:59 PM
Really? How?


By definition, no its not.


Nope. They don't hoodwink anyone into believing they are a particular religion since that is not allowed in the Lodge.


I didn't say they hoodwinked anyone into believing they were of a particular religion.

I SAID that FREEMASONRY states they are not a religion, but one must be a religion to become a member.

HYPOCRITICAL.

I said they've hoodwinked you into believing they are a religion because you must be a religion to join and no atheists are allowed, so, therefore, everyone believes in GOD, so therefore you think it's a religion, but they are of a different religion.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 11:04 PM
I didn't say they hoodwinked anyone into believing they were of a particular religion.
You were saying?

They've just hoodwinked you into believing they're of the Christian sort.

I SAID that FREEMASONRY states they are not a religion, but one must be a religion to become a member.

HYPOCRITICAL.
In your opinion.

I said they've hoodwinked you into believing they are a religion because you must be a religion to join and no atheists are allowed, so, therefore, everyone believes in GOD, so therefore you think it's a religion, but they are of a different religion.
That's why we use phrases like "Supreme (or Grand) Architect of the Universe".

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 11:14 PM
Well, that was a good post run! We'll have to do that another time. I am busy the next few days though

BlueAngel
12-05-2008, 09:13 PM
Well, that was a good post run! We'll have to do that another time. I am busy the next few days though

Oh, yes.

That was exciting.

Can't wait for you to return.

KSigMason
12-05-2008, 09:56 PM
I'll have my people get a hold of your people. Good night.

BlueAngel
12-05-2008, 10:23 PM
I'll have my people get a hold of your people. Good night.

Don't bother.

My people don't want anything to do with your people.

VillageIdiot
12-06-2008, 02:38 AM
Quick thing to add here. Main masonry indeed does not allow Atheist members. However, there are various divisions of Masonry that do.
Most recognized among them is the Grand Lodge of France.
Grand Orient de France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orient_de_France)

However, many members of mainstream FreeMasonry feel that allowing Athiests goes against the principles of Masonry, since it originally did, and still does, encourage people to follow and grow in their religion.

BlueAngel
12-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Quick thing to add here. Main masonry indeed does not allow Atheist members. However, there are various divisions of Masonry that do.
Most recognized among them is the Grand Lodge of France.
Grand Orient de France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orient_de_France)

However, many members of mainstream FreeMasonry feel that allowing Athiests goes against the principles of Masonry, since it originally did, and still does, encourage people to follow and grow in their religion.

The only reason Freemasonry requires that members be religious is so this organization can shield themselves from criticism.

Otherwise, there would be NO reason to insist that members were of a religion, because Freemasonry states that they are not a religion.

I wonder who and what the men at top worship?

VillageIdiot
12-06-2008, 08:54 PM
There is no "top" to Masonry. As for what they worship, it is up to them.
AMong the members of Masonry I've encountered, some have been Wiccan, several Christians, some Jewish, a couple of Mormons, and a Muslim.

BlueAngel
12-06-2008, 11:02 PM
There is no "top" to Masonry. As for what they worship, it is up to them.
AMong the members of Masonry I've encountered, some have been Wiccan, several Christians, some Jewish, a couple of Mormons, and a Muslim.

Oh, please.

If there's no TOP to Freemasonry, why the hell do you climb the ladder?

To get to the bottom?

VillageIdiot
12-07-2008, 04:33 AM
There is no ladder, there may be something of tree.
Every Mason goes through the first three degrees, from there he can do whatever he wants to, join side orders or stay at the third degree.
The third degree, which is Master Mason, is no higher or lower than any member of the appendant rites of the Scottish Rite, the York Rite, or whatever degree or Rite system you want to pick from.

The numbering system doesn't really matter, the Scottish and York Rite, two of the more popular rites in America, are pretty much uniquely American, though they are spreading back to Europe. They were assembled from various other degrees and Rites that were and are still practiced in Europe.

The only members who could be considered to have any power would be the lodge officers, and the regional officers, both of which are voted in and serve a year term.
They all are voted in by a vote put in by the members of the jurisdiction, serve their term, and may be reelected or leave office.

n Most of the reason men are supposed to join Masonry is because they enjoy it. They enjoy doing the charity, they enjoy meeting with foolks one every other week or so, maybe they just enjoy wearing silly outfits, I don't know. That'd be something you'd have to ask them.

BlueAngel
12-07-2008, 09:38 PM
There is no ladder, there may be something of tree.
Every Mason goes through the first three degrees, from there he can do whatever he wants to, join side orders or stay at the third degree.
The third degree, which is Master Mason, is no higher or lower than any member of the appendant rites of the Scottish Rite, the York Rite, or whatever degree or Rite system you want to pick from.

The numbering system doesn't really matter, the Scottish and York Rite, two of the more popular rites in America, are pretty much uniquely American, though they are spreading back to Europe. They were assembled from various other degrees and Rites that were and are still practiced in Europe.

The only members who could be considered to have any power would be the lodge officers, and the regional officers, both of which are voted in and serve a year term.
They all are voted in by a vote put in by the members of the jurisdiction, serve their term, and may be reelected or leave office.

n Most of the reason men are supposed to join Masonry is because they enjoy it. They enjoy doing the charity, they enjoy meeting with foolks one every other week or so, maybe they just enjoy wearing silly outfits, I don't know. That'd be something you'd have to ask them.

It's referred to as "climbing the ladder."

Trust me on this one.

What type of SILLY outfits do these MEN wear amongst one another?

What kind of silly outfit do you wear and what children's charities are you involved with, specifically?

VillageIdiot
12-08-2008, 12:30 AM
By silly outfits I refer to the aprons, the gloves, the various hats and such that are relative to the various degrees.

As for climbing a tree, most Masonic rites are in a sort of general order, only really in the United States do you get high numbered orders like the Scottish Rite and the York Rite.
A number of Masons obtain numerous degrees and side orders, several collect over 80 so odd degrees, several unrelated to each other.

As for what silly outfits I wear, I have a old fedora and a flannel jacket. My friends think it's a bit odd.

BlueAngel
12-09-2008, 11:07 PM
By silly outfits I refer to the aprons, the gloves, the various hats and such that are relative to the various degrees.

As for climbing a tree, most Masonic rites are in a sort of general order, only really in the United States do you get high numbered orders like the Scottish Rite and the York Rite.
A number of Masons obtain numerous degrees and side orders, several collect over 80 so odd degrees, several unrelated to each other.

As for what silly outfits I wear, I have a old fedora and a flannel jacket. My friends think it's a bit odd.

Oh, forgoodness sakes, you're a Mason wannabe.

Take a hike over to their site and maybe they'll let you in.

VillageIdiot
12-10-2008, 02:18 AM
Oh, forgoodness sakes, you're a Mason wannabe.

Take a hike over to their site and maybe they'll let you in.

Of for goodness sake, one must be a Mason to be wroth to debate you?
After all, you are not a Mason either, but you feel you are warranted to speak against them.

KSigMason
12-15-2008, 02:49 PM
If there's no TOP to Freemasonry, why the hell do you climb the ladder?
There is no ONE top Freemason. Blue Lodge lets take it, each State is autonomous unto itself. So within the USA, there are 50-top Masons.

There is no ladder, there may be something of tree.
What Blue is referring to is a metophorical ladder, the phrase is used in the Craft.

Every Mason goes through the first three degrees, from there he can do whatever he wants to, join side orders or stay at the third degree.

The third degree, which is Master Mason, is no higher or lower than any member of the appendant rites of the Scottish Rite, the York Rite, or whatever degree or Rite system you want to pick from.
Very good. well researched.

The only members who could be considered to have any power would be the lodge officers, and the regional officers, both of which are voted in and serve a year term.
Blue Lodge only. Some bodies have officers that serve for 3-years at time.

Maybe they just enjoy wearing silly outfits, I don't know. That'd be something you'd have to ask them.
Silly!? I say! j/k Some of them are silly.

By silly outfits I refer to the aprons, the gloves, the various hats and such that are relative to the various degrees.
The hats are not well ventilated. You get really warm really fast.

Of for goodness sake, one must be a Mason to be wroth to debate you?
No even then he won't believe you, just blows you off as some kind of lackey. It's funny in a sad way that someone who is not in the organization says they know more than the actual members.

Revelation1217
03-12-2009, 02:06 PM
I am not sure if I completely understand what point the OP is trying to make.

Darth Cacodaemon
03-26-2009, 01:52 PM
I here to talk about the Masons.

I was posting on ATS (Above Top Secret) conspiracy forum, and found out a guy name Theron Dunn (a Mason) had passed away at 51 yrs old from kidney failure.

What I found, was that Theron had recently been posting negative information about the Shriners. To be a Shriner, one must be a master Mason.


Beacon of Masonic Light: Is It Time For The Shrine And Freemasonry To Separate? (http://beaconofmasoniclight.blogspot.com/2007/10/is-it-time-for-shrine-and-freemasonry.html)

5%????
And they are under non-profit status. And don't try and tell me how much good the effen Shriner hospital do. The HAVE to do SOMETHING, in order to hide under their tax shelter.

When they bring in around $400,000,000 a year, nearly 1/2 billion, they spend $20 million on actual charity, which includes paying hospital staff, etc.

Now, has anyone noticed all of their charities (Masonic) center around children. Is that because they care about children so much?

No, it's because they're a bunch of pedophilia pigs.


Newsvine - "Jesters" To Testify about Illegal Drugs, Child Prostitution? (http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/06/1347611-jesters-to-testify-about-illegal-drugs-child-prostitution)

Now this is just one case. There are more, but the Shriners/Freemasons are a very powerful organization, with more than 3 million members in the US alone, probably many more.

They are judges, cops, lawyers, you name it. In all high levels of politics, and business, expect some Freemasons to be running things.

To be a non-profit, one need to be unaffiliated with any politics. Seems the IRS looks past the Freemason/Shriners/Elks etc.

But the have their little parades, with their gay little hats, attracting children like wolves in sheeps clothing.

And Theron Dunn?

I'm convinced he was murdered, by poisoning.

He died from sudden renal failure, due to kidney poisoning.

This whole organization has to come down!!

They have instilled presidents (Bush is a Mason) and many top level military
general.


The Royal Order of Jesters (http://freemasonrywatch.org/royalorderofjesters.html)

What a bunch of freaks!!!

What do you expect, when you call yourself a Worshipful Master.

Burn in Hell boys, burn in Hell.

You have done well, my friend. I will copy this and disseminate it widely. My Master is pleased by your stupidity. Such statements based on stupidity, insanity and idiocy will aid us in our campaign to stereotype such Christians as yourself as inborn cretins and thus also discredit your Lord.

BlueAngel
07-03-2009, 10:12 PM
Bump!

Mintwithahole.
07-08-2009, 08:56 AM
You're all missing an important fact here. The ordinary masons don't realise that they are in a cult and what it's true purposes are! Theres a subtle brainwashing that goes on which removes the uniqueness of a person and replaces it with a person who needs the constant praise of his fellow brothers. That's why their motto is that they can take a good man and make him better. . . The continual boost to a masons ego provided by their fellow brothers becomes like a drug and sooner or later they really do start to believe that they are better. . . Better than you and me that is.

Masons aren't evil they're just too close to the fraternity to be able to see it in it's true light.

Mr Blee
09-23-2009, 01:57 PM
Pigs yes they are for sure. My uncle was in the AOH (ancient order of Hybernians) an Irish masonic order and yes he was one of many to molest me. my father molested me my brother molested me. When I was 13 I forget who i told but when the honest cops found out and got close to busting my dad he shot himself. When my grandmother saw the truth about her sons and husband she went into such a depresion that she could not eat and died form malnutrition (it took 2 years) I have to date gotten a few busted including a neighbor. This man owned a Stanley Steamer rug franchise. Watch for this company it is most likely a mason company.

I am defeating them with the power of the Holy Christ. Yes I am a jesus freeak.

Proverbs 23:10,11

Do not move an ancient boundary stone or encroach on the feilds of the fatherless, for their Defender is strong; he will take up their case against you.

Mintwithahole.
09-24-2009, 08:53 AM
Let's be serious, not all freemasons can be involved in the conspiracy whether it be their part in the NWO or ritual child abuse. . . Maybe the upper ranks of the masons are compliant in this but not the new ones who have recently turned to the cult. It takes years of subtle brainwashing and maipulation to make an ordinary guy off the street suddenly turn against his own and fall in line with the masonic secret agenda.

BlueAngel
09-24-2009, 11:10 PM
Let's be serious, not all freemasons can be involved in the conspiracy whether it be their part in the NWO or ritual child abuse. . . Maybe the upper ranks of the masons are compliant in this but not the new ones who have recently turned to the cult. It takes years of subtle brainwashing and maipulation to make an ordinary guy off the street suddenly turn against his own and fall in line with the masonic secret agenda.

You say that the Masons are involved in ritual child abuse and yet advise us to forget about it in one of your posts on another thread because, according to you, it's only a small part of a bigger Freemasonry conspiracy.

Oh, yes.

That's makes perfect sense.

The Mason's ritualistically and sexually abuse children, but, hey, let's forget about it.

Sorry, pal, but I find ritual abuse, sexual or otherwise perpetrated upon children, by Freemasons or anyone else to be something I don't forget about and, for you to suggest otherwise, indicates that you're a part of the problem.

Get your head checked.

Mr Blee
09-25-2009, 12:18 AM
Masons protect one another. And the ones that are in the dark about the abuse protect the ones that know. They all know they have a brotherhood where they can be protected from commiting crimes.

Mintwithahole.
09-25-2009, 08:07 PM
You say that the Masons are involved in ritual child abuse and yet advise us to forget about it in one of your posts on another thread because, according to you, it's only a small part of a bigger Freemasonry conspiracy.

Oh, yes.

That's makes perfect sense.

The Mason's ritualistically and sexually abuse children, but, hey, let's forget about it.

Sorry, pal, but I find ritual abuse, sexual or otherwise perpetrated upon children, by Freemasons or anyone else to be something I don't forget about and, for you to suggest otherwise, indicates that you're a part of the problem.

Get your head checked.

I never said no such thing. I've gone on record as saying that I don't believe the nonsense circulated about masonic child abuse. . . I rate the accusations alongside the Satanic abuse accusations fof the late 80s and early 90s. . . Only an idiot would believe these claims. However, since you are clearly an idiot who knows what you believe or disbelieve?
Honestly, we are on different levels here. I'm interested in conversing with sane people, be they masons or not, who can debate the whole masonic conspiracy with me, while you are a flacid knob who can't hold a decent conversation as you're undoubtedly an out patient at your local mental hospital.
Honestly, if I want to listen to a cock I'll learn tranquilicism and talk to my own!
Now be told, get a life and grow up and don't converse with grown ups until you're capable of debating a topic like a sane human being.

KSigMason
09-26-2009, 03:15 PM
Masons protect one another. And the ones that are in the dark about the abuse protect the ones that know. They all know they have a brotherhood where they can be protected from commiting crimes.
Even as Entered Apprentices we are charged with being good, law abiding citizens. You can be kicked out of the Freemasons for breaking the law, as it should be. I found out a candidate had a criminal background of a very unsavory nature and I intervened and stopped him from joining.

Mr Blee
09-26-2009, 08:12 PM
One thing I have learned about masons they stage things like that. So they can say look we are good. another thing I have learned one mason sells you the weed another busts you for possesing it.

For the record I do not agree with the drug war.
Just cause I quit smoking it does not change the facts of freedom.

Back in the 50's a soviet leader was giving a speech at the U.N. at one point during his speech he took out an old shoe started banging it on his podium and said America I will not beat you on the battkefeild I will beat you in your street with your own children. Then the sixties happend. Who's side are you on?

BlueAngel
09-26-2009, 08:16 PM
I never said no such thing. I've gone on record as saying that I don't believe the nonsense circulated about masonic child abuse. . . I rate the accusations alongside the Satanic abuse accusations fof the late 80s and early 90s. . . Only an idiot would believe these claims. However, since you are clearly an idiot who knows what you believe or disbelieve?
Honestly, we are on different levels here. I'm interested in conversing with sane people, be they masons or not, who can debate the whole masonic conspiracy with me, while you are a flacid knob who can't hold a decent conversation as you're undoubtedly an out patient at your local mental hospital.
Honestly, if I want to listen to a cock I'll learn tranquilicism and talk to my own!
Now be told, get a life and grow up and don't converse with grown ups until you're capable of debating a topic like a sane human being.

Sorry, but you did, on another thread, suggest that child sexual ABUSE be forgotten about.

I think you've FORGOTTEN what you said.

Trust me, if need be, I'll find your comment and QUOTE it.

Mr Blee
09-26-2009, 08:17 PM
Oh and I forgot to post the soviet was mosonic or all the symbols just a couple hundred coincidents. I think not.

Mintwithahole.
09-27-2009, 08:19 AM
Sorry, but you did, on another thread, suggest that child sexual ABUSE be forgotten about.

I think you've FORGOTTEN what you said.

Trust me, if need be, I'll find your comment and QUOTE it.

I don't think I did say that. . . I think what I was trying to get across was that in a way we are all being abused-abused by our government. Blue Angel, you seem to have some strong views about freemasonry. If we can, let's stop throwing insults at each other, and tell me what aroused your suspicions about this cult?

KSigMason
09-27-2009, 05:10 PM
another thing I have learned one mason sells you the weed another busts you for possesing it.
Meaning what?

Oh and I forgot to post the soviet was mosonic or all the symbols just a couple hundred coincidents. I think not.
Actually communists do not hold favor towards the Freemasons.

Mr Blee
09-27-2009, 07:08 PM
I would disagree, too many of their symbols to ignore. And the way the masons would try and recruit me with the I will tell you someday line is way too much the way the soviets did things.

The soviet Union was abbreviated USSR but when they would put it into Russian they would say CCCP. Then saying only they couild understand the true meaning of the interpritation. Then saying they would tell us one day.

KSigMason
09-28-2009, 09:55 AM
I would disagree, too many of their symbols to ignore.
Which symbols would that be?

And the way the masons would try and recruit me with the I will tell you someday line is way too much the way the soviets did things.
Masons don't recruit so sorry Charlie, not buying it.

Mr Blee
09-28-2009, 05:08 PM
Well for one the hammer on the hammer on the soviet flag. And take a look at the former east german flag and compare it to masonic symbols.

KSigMason
09-29-2009, 06:05 PM
Well for one the hammer on the hammer on the soviet flag. And take a look at the former east german flag and compare it to masonic symbols.
I see no connection.

stompk
09-29-2009, 06:59 PM
Of course not. Your are part of the pedophile conspiracy.

Lying is not beyond freemasonry.

Mintwithahole.
09-29-2009, 07:36 PM
Of course not. Your are part of the pedophile conspiracy.

Lying is not beyond freemasonry.

Actually, lying is a vital part of freemasonry. . .

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother masons and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother mason be always sure to shield him. . .it may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."

Handbook Of Freemasonry. p183.

KSigMason
09-29-2009, 11:13 PM
Of course not. Your are part of the pedophile conspiracy.

Lying is not beyond freemasonry.
Deceit is a horrible offense in Freemasonry. Truth is a principle tenet.

Never, never, call me a pedophile. I would never commit such a horrid act. You have NO proof and I ask you to come to me and say that. Everything you say is a lie unless you can prove it. Unless you can prove it it's slander.

Actually, lying is a vital part of freemasonry. . .

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother masons and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother mason be always sure to shield him. . .it may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."

Handbook Of Freemasonry. p183.
WRONG. We do not cover up crimes.

Mintwithahole.
09-30-2009, 05:25 PM
It's not WRONG!
It clearly states in Ronayne's, Handbook Of Masonry that you have to, if called upon, conceal and protect a fellow mason even if it causes you to commit perjury. It's not me, a non mason saying this, it's one of your own brothers!
It's like I've said all along, the good hearted masons who falsely believe they're on the side of good don't realise what is really going on! You may not be part of the NWO! You may not be a paedophile child abuser! You may not be a practising satanist. . . but what you are doing by being a mason is supporting those at the top who are what I mentioned earlier.
Please KsigMason, don't just listen to me or the others here who see the masons for what they are- simply listen to your heart and you'll begin to realise that you are supporting something inherently evil which may, in years to come, be the downfall of us all.
When they call you "Brother", slap you on the back and promise to tell you some dark sinister secret in the future, simply ask yourself why! I'm sure you're a decent honest person but the cult you belong to and protect will drag you down in the end.

KSigMason
09-30-2009, 06:57 PM
It's not WRONG!
It clearly states in Ronayne's, Handbook Of Masonry that you have to, if called upon, conceal and protect a fellow mason even if it causes you to commit perjury. It's not me, a non mason saying this, it's one of your own brothers!
Well if Edmond Ronayne says it, it must be true. You take his word without proof, but not mine? You see what you want to see.

Actually all my research shows me that Edmond Ronayne was an anti-Mason not a Brother.

Please KsigMason, don't just listen to me or the others here who see the masons for what they are- simply listen to your heart and you'll begin to realise that you are supporting something inherently evil which may, in years to come, be the downfall of us all.
As a teen I hung out with Mormons and I got that creepy strange feeling about the Church (I mean, baptizing the dead) and I've never received that weird feeling. I know what I know and I know that I do not have to fear for my soul because I'm in the Freemasons.

When they call you "Brother", slap you on the back and promise to tell you some dark sinister secret in the future, simply ask yourself why! I'm sure you're a decent honest person but the cult you belong to and protect will drag you down in the end.
The secrets we conceal are nothing strange or sinister. It's stories to teach us lessons of morality.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 06:59 PM
If the secrets you conceal are nothing strange or sinister then reveal them.

KSigMason
09-30-2009, 07:03 PM
If the secrets you conceal are nothing strange or sinister then reveal them.
I swore never to. I gave my word. I would forfeit my integrity and honor if I divulged the secrets to a non-member.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 07:07 PM
I swore never to. I gave my word. I would forfeit my integrity and honor if I divulged the secrets to a non-member.

Oh, right.

We understand.

If you revealed those precious Freemason secrets, you would be forfeiting your integrity and honor.

Otherwise, you have no integrity or honor?

Your only honor and integrity lies in keeping Freemasonry secrets?

I suppose this is what the Freemason higher-ups brainwashed you into believing.

Do you realize that the ridiculous statement you have just composed describes a man who is void of integrity and honor?

KSigMason
09-30-2009, 07:12 PM
Oh, right.

We understand.

If you revealed the secrets you would forfeit your integrity and honor.

Otherwise, you have no integrity or honor?

Your only honor and integrity lies in keeping secrets?

Do you realize what a ridiculous statement you have just composed?
My honor is bound by my integrity. I pride myself on not lying nor keeping any sinister motive. Keeping secrets is not just kept by keeping secrets, but it would be jeopardized by breaking it. I took an Oath not to break it and it would be a breach to reveal. I don't know how you view breaking promises, but if you have no problem breakin vows then my soul is not the one in jeopardy, nor am I the one with a f***ed up moral compass.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 07:15 PM
Stop tailing me.

I hadn't even finished editing my comment before you quoted it.

The new and improved version is as follows:



Oh, right.

We understand.

If you revealed those precious Freemason secrets, you would be forfeiting your integrity and honor.

Otherwise, you have no integrity or honor?

Your only honor and integrity lies in keeping Freemasonry secrets?

I suppose this is what the Freemason higher-ups brainwashed you into believing.

Do you realize that the ridiculous statement you have just composed describes a man who is void of integrity and honor?

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 07:18 PM
My honor is bound by my integrity. I pride myself on not lying nor keeping any sinister motive. Keeping secrets is not just kept by keeping secrets, but it would be jeopardized by breaking it. I took an Oath not to break it and it would be a breach to reveal. I don't know how you view breaking promises, but if you have no problem breakin vows then my soul is not the one in jeopardy, nor am I the one with a f***ed up moral compass.

I would have to say that since you are the one who believes he only has integrity and honor through the keeping of some precious Freemason secrets, you would be the one with f***ed up morals.

What would your Freemason brothers do to you if you revealed the Fraternity's precious secrets which you claim to protect because, otherwise, you would consider yourself to be a BEING whose character is one that is VOID of integrity and honor since this is what the SOCIETY has brainwashed you into believing if you reveal their secrets?

Make you ride a goat before they cut your head off?

Like I said, you know nothing, so why don't you stop pretending that you do?

Mintwithahole.
09-30-2009, 07:56 PM
KsigMason, you say you don't have to fear for your soul because you're a freemason. . .I would beg to differ! For instance, god tells us through the Holy Bible (The Ten Commandments) that you shall have no other gods before me, yet freemasons have lots of names for their god like Abaddon, Zoristor etc. How do you square that circle? But then you don't really have to because Albert Pike says;

"Masonry does not specify any god of any creed, she requires merely that you believe in some deity, give him what name you will. ANY GOD WILL DO."

Since when has christiantity preached that any god will do!!?

It's also a fact that a freemason must break 5 of the ten commandments to proceed through the degrees. For instance. . .
"You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me. . . But freemasons do!
"You Shalt Not Murder. . ." But the Scottish Rite, Third Degree orders you to murder those who tell masonic secrets!
"You Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Your Neighbour. . ." But, like I said earlier, you must as a mason conceal all crimes carried out by your brother masons!

I'm not a religious man, in fact, I'm far from it, but lets not kid ourselves here. As, "Behold A Pale Horse, page 78, says;

"I tell you now that freemasonry is one of the most wicked and terrible organisations upon this earth."

If you carry on being part of this dispicable cult then you can't say that you haven't been told what's really going on.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 08:12 PM
KSigMason has been brainwashed by the Mason society to which he belongs into believing that because he does not reveal their secrets, he can consider himself to be a BEING whom possesses the TRAITS of dignity and honor.

To reveal whatever Freemason secrets KSigMason thinks he possesses that are of any importance to anyone, would render him to be a man VOID of dignity and honor.

Classic BRAINWASHING symptoms.

Keep our secrets.

Do as your told and you'll be considered to possess dignity and honor.

Otherwise, you are immoral.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 08:28 PM
You know what KSigMason?

WE wouldn't want you to be a BEING who is VOID of dignity and honor, so, please, keep those FREEMASON secrets to yourself.

Like I said, your Mason higher-up's have brainwashed you into believing that you possess some VITAL secrets about their organization and, if you reveal them, OH, GOD forbid, you would be a BEING who is void of dignity and honor and kicked out of their fraternity.

Oh, the shame!

Like a dog walking away from his MASTER with his tail between his legs.

Like I've said, you know nothing of importance.

You've only been convinced by your MIND CONTROLLERS that you do.

Mintwithahole.
09-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Freemasonry also appeals to the ego's of it's members. . .
First it tells it's members that they are being made better due to their allegiance with the cult.
Secondly it promises secrets to those who finish the degrees, but by the time they've finished the degrees their minds have been well and truly scrubbed clean of descency and they've lost their grasp on reality.
Thirdly, masons give themselves bizarre titles like grand wizard etc which makes them feel important and appeals to their blotted ego's.
Fourthly, it ensures that's members don't spill the beans and tell the secrets by (a) calling each other "brother" to strengthen the ridiculous belief that masons are a family- and (b) by sickeningly congratulating one another and slapping each other on the back.

The whole cult is obscene and sickening, from it's non sensical rites to it's members over in flated ego's- this cult should be (will be) shown for what it is. Immoral and evil.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 08:44 PM
Freemasonry also appeals to the ego's of it's members. . .
First it tells it's members that they are being made better due to their allegiance with the cult.
Secondly it promises secrets to those who finish the degrees, but by the time they've finished the degrees their minds have been well and truly scrubbed clean of descency and they've lost their grasp on reality.
Thirdly, masons give themselves bizarre titles like grand wizard etc which makes them feel important and appeals to their blotted ego's.
Fourthly, it ensures that's members don't spill the beans and tell the secrets by (a) calling each other "brother" to strengthen the ridiculous belief that masons are a family- and (b) by sickeningly congratulating one another and slapping each other on the back.

The whole cult is obscene and sickening, from it's non sensical rites to it's members over in flated ego's- this cult should be (will be) shown for what it is. Immoral and evil.

It's called MIND CONTROL.

BlueAngel
09-30-2009, 09:18 PM
How come you're not tailing me KSigMason?

Are you attending a Freemason meeting?

KSigMason
09-30-2009, 11:08 PM
I would have to say that since you are the one who believes he only has integrity and honor through the keeping of some precious Freemason secrets, you would be the one with f***ed up morals.
You are the one asking for me to divulge the secrets and break my Oath.

What would your Freemason brothers do to you if you revealed the Fraternity's precious secrets which you claim to protect because, otherwise, you would consider yourself to be a BEING whose character is one that is VOID of integrity and honor since this is what the SOCIETY has brainwashed you into believing if you reveal their secrets?
I would be expelled from Freemasonry and I would lose the respect of a lot of friends. Internally I would feel bad for giving up something that was entrusted. Some of you may not, but that's because immoral people don't feel bad about anything.

Since when has christiantity preached that any god will do!!?
Freemasonry isn't Christianity and vice versa. Every member worships his diety in his own way. That his business. The only thing Freemasonry cares about is that he does have a belief.

Freemasons don't hold any other gods before their own. Like I said how they worship is their own business. Those others are just preposterous.

Behold A Pale Horse is your reference? Wow. Now you're just pulling from nutjob sites.

How come you're not tailing me KSigMason?

Are you attending a Freemason meeting?
Sorry. I have a life to live, I can't be stuck on here all day prattling on against you. I went out with my girlfriend then we had some drinks and now...bedtime.

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 08:23 PM
You are the one asking for me to divulge the secrets and break my Oath.


I would be expelled from Freemasonry and I would lose the respect of a lot of friends. Internally I would feel bad for giving up something that was entrusted. Some of you may not, but that's because immoral people don't feel bad about anything.


Freemasonry isn't Christianity and vice versa. Every member worships his diety in his own way. That his business. The only thing Freemasonry cares about is that he does have a belief.

Freemasons don't hold any other gods before their own. Like I said how they worship is their own business. Those others are just preposterous.

Behold A Pale Horse is your reference? Wow. Now you're just pulling from nutjob sites.


Sorry. I have a life to live, I can't be stuck on here all day prattling on against you. I went out with my girlfriend then we had some drinks and now...bedtime.

Oh, just stop it.

You're the MASON on this site who wants the rest of us on this forum who aren't Masons to believe that you harbor some significant secrets about this society that would render you void of all dignity and honor if you revealed them to us.

You told us you know THEIR secrets, so, therefore, it is only natural for ME and/or anyone else to request that you divulge them.

In reality, I could care less about any secrets you will be taking to your grave about this society, because, as I've said, over and over again, you KNOW NOTHING of importance!

I have a life, too and BTW, I didn't ask you to spend all day on this site prattling away with me.

Mintwithahole.
10-01-2009, 08:31 PM
It always amazes me how freemasons start threads announcing to the world that they aren't the Illuminati, aren't satanists and aren't child abusers, yet when you start to question them and prove them wrong by quoting other masons they crawl back under their stone and say they have something better to do!
As far as I'm concerned the only people who should wear little white aprons are bakers!
At worst masons are evil satanists- at best your simply weirdo's. . .

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 08:48 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe that KSigMason posts on this forum defending Freemasonry because he knows there is something inherently wrong with this society to which he belongs and, in defending same, he convinces himself that there isn't.

If he thought otherwise, he would spend less time on this forum trying to PROVE to the rest of us that FREEMASONRY is an honorable society and more time with his girlfriend.

The words "useful idiot" come to mind.

KSigMason
10-01-2009, 09:14 PM
Blue, Mint

Believe what you want, but you no nothing of the Craft nor do you know me so your words change nothing.

I come on here out of sheer boredom and out of the want to fight against liars.

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Blue, Mint

Believe what you want, but you no nothing of the Craft nor do you know me so your words change nothing.

I come on here out of sheer boredom and out of the want to fight against liars.

Maybe you're the liar.

Lying to yourself that Freemasonry is a CRAFT.

You wouldn't come here out of sheer boredom if you'd spend more time with your girlfriend and less time trying to prove on this forum that you aren't just a low man on the totem pole of Freemasonry, but someone who knows all.

Like I said, over and over and over again, you KNOW NOTHING of significance and/or importance about the Freemason "secret" society.

They've only brainwashed you into believing that you do.

That's why you come here.

"Useful idiot."

KSigMason
10-01-2009, 09:33 PM
If you would spend more time with your girlfriend, you might not be forced to come here out of sheer boredom.
Meh, she's doing homework right now.

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 09:42 PM
Meh, she's doing homework right now.

Go help her because she might be studying about Freemasonry and she'll need you to educate her.

KSigMason
10-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Go help her because she might be studying about Freemasonry and she'll need you to educate her.
No she's working on Math and she is far better at it than me.

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 10:26 PM
No she's working on Math and she is far better at it than me.

Thank you for informing the FORUM as to what it is that your girlfriend and you are doing.

WE are very interested.

KSigMason
10-01-2009, 10:28 PM
Thank you for informing the FORUM as to what it is that your girlfriend and you are doing.

WE are very interested.
You asked. If you don't want an answer don't ask the question.

I could go into detail as to what we are about to do.

BlueAngel
10-01-2009, 10:50 PM
You asked. If you don't want an answer don't ask the question.

I could go into detail as to what we are about to do.

Sorry, but you would be wrong.

I have never, nor has anyone else on this forum ever inquired of you as to you and your girlfriend.

You have supplied the information of your own free will.

We have no deisre to know in DETAIL as to what you and your girlfriend are about to do to each other.

Quite frankly, we don't care or want to know.

So, kindly keep it to yourself.

Thanks.

Mintwithahole.
10-02-2009, 09:50 AM
Blue, Mint

Believe what you want, but you no nothing of the Craft nor do you know me so your words change nothing.

I come on here out of sheer boredom and out of the want to fight against liars.

And here you have it, the final stage of the masonic belief that everyone else is wrong and they're right. Accussing anyone who dares to question their beloved satanic cult "Liars." Absolutely pathetic.

KSigMason, if you don't want anyone questioning your slightly moronic beliefs don't come on forums like this trying to preach your evil idealogy to the rest of us. It works on ATS because most of the mods and owners there are fellow masons and will ban anyone who dares question you. Here, you're just another sad figure who hasn't got an original thought in their empty head as it's been filled to the brim with masonic nonsense, secret hand shakes and ridiculous code words...

For you, my sad friend, it seems that you are beyond reasoning with. Your mind is made up. You're more to be pitied.
Boy, do you have a huge wake up call coming your way. I just hope when that day comes you have enough about you to get out of the cult. Good luck.

BlueAngel
10-03-2009, 09:47 PM
Couldn't agree with Mint more, KSigMason.

Can't find his post to you wherein he questions the following, but it's on this thread or another Freemasonry thread somewhere on this forum.

Mint asks whether or not you seriously think that your Freemason brothers who are above you and not a low man on the totem pole, as you are, do not harbor secrets of the cult to which you are unaware.

Seriously.

Do you think you know all about that which the Freemasonry higher-ups are involved with?

Certainly, they've informed you as to all of their activities since the inception of this SOCIETY, and, they clearly come to you for approval as to their daily activities, don't they?

You act as if you are privy to some important secrets about this cult and, as I've said, over and over and over again, you know nothing of IMPORTANCE.

The higher-ups who initiated you have made you believe through brainwashing that you are in possession of some FABULOUS secrets about this CULT that have been entrusted to you as a member and, if you reveal them, you will lose all dignity and honor.

This makes you feel SPECIAL, doesn't it?

Good.

Just what they wanted.

This is what also keeps your allegiance to cult.

Their secrets are safe with you.

You are SPECIAL!

Unless you are in possession of information regarding IMMORAL acts committed by members of this SOCIETY and/or you, yourself, have committed immoral acts, there is no other reason why you would be rendered void of dignity and honor if you revealed them.

Otherwise, who the hell cares about whatever Freemasonry secrets you have sworn to protect?

Not me!

BlueAngel
10-04-2009, 01:04 AM
Tell me some Freemasonry secret, KSigMason, that makes my jaw drop.

Otherwise, I couldn't care less about those secrets which you profess to know about Freemasonry that I don't.

KSigMason
10-04-2009, 08:38 PM
And here you have it, the final stage of the masonic belief that everyone else is wrong and they're right. Accussing anyone who dares to question their beloved satanic cult "Liars." Absolutely pathetic.

KSigMason, if you don't want anyone questioning your slightly moronic beliefs don't come on forums like this trying to preach your evil idealogy to the rest of us. It works on ATS because most of the mods and owners there are fellow masons and will ban anyone who dares question you. Here, you're just another sad figure who hasn't got an original thought in their empty head as it's been filled to the brim with masonic nonsense, secret hand shakes and ridiculous code words...

For you, my sad friend, it seems that you are beyond reasoning with. Your mind is made up. You're more to be pitied.

Boy, do you have a huge wake up call coming your way. I just hope when that day comes you have enough about you to get out of the cult. Good luck.
Mint, following your logic, you could come to my job right now and tell me how to fly. That's absurd. In the same breath you would tell me I knew nothing of aviation and if I told you I was a Standardization Instructor you would call me a liar. I'm not saying you are liars, but misinformed. Telling me you know more about the Freemasons than I do is arrogant.

I come on here to confront liars and those deluding the knowledge of the weak minded. I don't have an original thought? Yes, because I can't look on this site and see a bunch of robots repeating the same thing over and over again.

Stop worrying about my soul. It's in tact. It was nor will it ever be compromised.

Mintwithahole.
10-04-2009, 09:08 PM
No I wouldn't tell you how to fly because I know absolutely nothing about flying you supposedly do! But when it comes to freemasonry we are both on a level playing field because neither of us really know whats going on. In essence you could say that you're too close to the craft to be able to see it in it's true light. Thats were we differ. Yu don't question it you just accept anything you're told were as I have spent years researching it and talking to those who got out when they realised what they were signing up to and I can tell you that you are freely walking into a minefield.

Time will tell.

KSigMason
10-04-2009, 09:22 PM
No I wouldn't tell you how to fly because I know absolutely nothing about flying you supposedly do! But when it comes to freemasonry we are both on a level playing field because neither of us really know whats going on. In essence you could say that you're too close to the craft to be able to see it in it's true light. Thats were we differ. Yu don't question it you just accept anything you're told were as I have spent years researching it and talking to those who got out when they realised what they were signing up to and I can tell you that you are freely walking into a minefield.

Time will tell.
No we are not on an equal plane. That's what you are not getting. I'm not trying to be rude, but telling me you know the same or more than me is laughable. You couldn't possibly know more than me, nor do you know what I know for that matter.

I spend years researching it before I joined. That's where everyone makes there mistake, they think I just blindly walked in without doing research. Before I went aviation I was a part of Intelligence (which I miss dearly) and I know how to research.

Those who jumped out either didn't put anything into it or they thought they could just sit back and reap some magical reward. Nor can you trust religious zealotry.

Mintwithahole.
10-05-2009, 09:33 AM
But now you're contradicting yourself!
When we antimasons ask about the so-called secrets we are continually told that they exist on the web and that anyone can look them up. So we do and then masons start to tell us that we can't know as much as you masons. . . I mean, you couldn't make it up. Which is it, are the secrets being kept from us ordinary sane people or are they freely available on the web? Like I've said before, you can't have it both ways.
You also say you were in intelligence but went on to join the masons which is a contradiction in terms as no intelligent person would, in my opinion, join this wacky cult. I too have a back ground! I was in the security business for sometime until I got seriously hurt on the job. Long enough to be able to smell a rat at a hundred yards and when it comes to freemasonry it positively reaks.
Like Blue Angel keeps telling you, you really don't seem to know nothing!

BlueAngel
10-05-2009, 09:14 PM
Tell me some Freemasonry secret, KSigMason, that makes my jaw drop.

Otherwise, I couldn't care less about those secrets which you profess to know about Freemasonry that I don't.

Conveniently, KSigMason has ignored my question.

As I've said, any secrets about Freemasonry that KSigMason possesses and keeps from the rest of us who aren't Freemasons are of no interest to anyone.

The Freemason higher up's who swore KSigMason to secrecy would never reveal the true secrets about this CULT to a low man on the totem pole.

The OATH ritual is used to make a new initiate feel important and obedient to the society.

The Pious One
10-19-2009, 03:45 AM
bunch of pedophiles?..... they give charity because it is a tenant in freemasonry ... you only look down on someone if your helping them up... the freemasons have this tenant because in judaism it is customary to give tzadekha which is charity and the amount is suppose to be 10% of your yearly income .... hardly the work of pedophile pigs :rolleyes:

Mintwithahole.
10-19-2009, 09:43 AM
Freemasons look down on everyone because they feel they're elitist and better than us. Thats why new members get hooked so quickly. You can be the biggest cock-up merchant ever, divorced, in debt, trouble with the police, etc. Bt once they step over the threshold of the masonic temple they are consistently told that the masons make an ordinary man better, they are called brother and have their ego's massaged to massive proportions, and are then made to feel important because they have been trusted with secrets...
It's brainwashing.

KSigMason
10-22-2009, 12:31 AM
Freemasons look down on everyone because they feel they're elitist and better than us.
We look down on no one.

stompk
10-22-2009, 05:32 AM
We look down on no one.

When you have one foot in hell, how can you look
down on anyone?

KSigMason
10-22-2009, 03:48 PM
When you have one foot in hell, how can you look
down on anyone?
Oh that's clever. Freemasons are not the ones spreading hate and discontent, nor are we the ones lying or making things up to spread our message. It speaks volumes about people's characters when they lie about a charitable organization.

Oh, stop it.

You know you look down on others so just fess up and stop lying.

You look down on others because you're a member of the FREEMASONRY CULT and this CULT thinks they are better than anyone else who isn't a member.
Oh, you caught me. I give in, I do think I'm better than you. Its what they teach us in Freemasonry. [/sarcasm]

You think you're better than me, but you just chastized the Freemasons because your perception of their so called elitist beliefs. Double standard and hypocrites you are.

You think Freemasonry defines everything about me and that I live everyday in the service of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is just one part of my life, its not my entire life. You guys obsess over Freemasonry, lurking in shadows trying to find evil and all you find is yourselves...all lurking around.

BlueAngel
10-23-2009, 10:10 PM
Oh that's clever. Freemasons are not the ones spreading hate and discontent, nor are we the ones lying or making things up to spread our message. It speaks volumes about people's characters when they lie about a charitable organization.


Oh, you caught me. I give in, I do think I'm better than you. Its what they teach us in Freemasonry. [/sarcasm]

You think you're better than me, but you just chastized the Freemasons because your perception of their so called elitist beliefs. Double standard and hypocrites you are.

You think Freemasonry defines everything about me and that I live everyday in the service of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is just one part of my life, its not my entire life. You guys obsess over Freemasonry, lurking in shadows trying to find evil and all you find is yourselves...all lurking around.

Get your facts straight.

MY STATED CONCERN on this thread about FREEMASONRY is an all male society involved in CHILDREN's charities.

Plain and simple.

If you don't like my CONCERN about the ORGANIZATION you belong to, that's your problem and not mine.

According to your posts on this forum, FREEMASONRY does define everything about you.

If it didn't, you wouldn't WASTE your time trying to defend your membership in this CULT to people whose opinions about FREEMASONRY are in direct contrast to your beliefs.

Stand on your head, but it won't change our opinion.

Post until the cows come home, but YOU won't change our opinion.

You are defending Freemasonry to yourself and no one else.

BlueAngel
10-23-2009, 10:21 PM
When you have one foot in hell, how can you look
down on anyone?

:)

KSigMason
10-23-2009, 11:27 PM
MY STATED CONCERN on this thread about FREEMASONRY is an all male society involved in CHILDREN's charities.
Freemasonry isn't NAMBLA. We're created of law abiding men who want nothing more than to do charitable work. Any bad apples we expel.

There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about men trying to help out the youth.

BlueAngel
10-23-2009, 11:44 PM
Freemasonry isn't NAMBLA. We're created of law abiding men who want nothing more than to do charitable work. Any bad apples we expel.

There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about men trying to help out the youth.

Sorry, pal, but there just might be something inherently wrong and/or evil about an ALL MALE organization that is involved primarily in CHILDREN's CHARITIES.

That's my opinion and, if you don't like it, that's your problem.

BTW, we are very appreciative that you, in your position as TOP MASON, are able to take time out from your busy schedule which includes studying with your girlfriend to set all of us straight about those BAD APPLES whom FREEMASONRY attracts due to their involvement in children's charities, but, are ultimately expelled.

I don't know what we'd do without you.

KSigMason
10-25-2009, 01:15 AM
Sorry, pal, but there just might be something inherently wrong and/or evil about an ALL MALE organization that is involved primarily in CHILDREN's CHARITIES.

That's my opinion and, if you don't like it, that's your problem.

BTW, we are very appreciative that you, in your position as TOP MASON, are able to take time out from your busy schedule which includes studying with your girlfriend to set all of us straight about those BAD APPLES whom FREEMASONRY attracts due to their involvement in children's charities, but, are ultimately expelled.

I don't know what we'd do without you.
Please tell me how a bunch of law abiding men helping kids is evil? You are making assumptions based off some irrational prejudice. A guy helping kids, yep, he must be raping them.

It's not a problem because your opinion is irrational and baseless. You're the accuser and thus the burden of proof lies with you. You cannot produce any evidence, so your opinion is down the drain.

I'm sure you'd still go on spreading lies whether I was here or not. I have no doubt about that.

BlueAngel
10-25-2009, 09:52 PM
Please tell me how a bunch of law abiding men helping kids is evil? You are making assumptions based off some irrational prejudice. A guy helping kids, yep, he must be raping them.

It's not a problem because your opinion is irrational and baseless. You're the accuser and thus the burden of proof lies with you. You cannot produce any evidence, so your opinion is down the drain.

I'm sure you'd still go on spreading lies whether I was here or not. I have no doubt about that.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I SAID:

I have a problem with an all MALE organization that is involved primarily in children's charities.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Neither one requires evidence.

However, if you think I must provide PROOF of my opinion then the same standard applies to you.

You have yet to do so.

KSigMason
10-25-2009, 11:51 PM
I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I SAID:

I have a problem with an all MALE organization that is involved primarily in children's charities.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Neither one requires evidence.

However, if you think I must provide PROOF of my opinion then the same standard applies to you.

You have yet to do so.
I don't have a reading comprehension problem. Well, that's your personal problem, but an individual problem doesn't mean it's rational. Plus, children's charity as a primary charity is done by only the Shriner's. The rest of ours is just small things. There are dozens of Masonic charities that are not kid oriented.

BlueAngel
10-26-2009, 01:05 AM
I don't have a reading comprehension problem. Well, that's your personal problem, but an individual problem doesn't mean it's rational. Plus, children's charity as a primary charity is done by only the Shriner's. The rest of ours is just small things. There are dozens of Masonic charities that are not kid oriented.

Yep.

Exactly.

Of all the Freemason charitable organizations, the best known is the Shriners.

KSigMason
10-26-2009, 11:18 AM
Yep.

Exactly.

Of all the Freemason charitable organizations, the best known is the Shriners.
Point being.

Question, why should I stop helping because one person doesn't like men helping kids? I'm not doing anything wrong so why should I feel guilty or ashamed from your constant harassment? Now times this by the membership of Freemasonry. And again, bad apples we expel.

Bad apples = those who break the law, and those who break Masonic oaths and charges. One of the charges is to be a good law abiding citizen.

BlueAngel
10-27-2009, 09:12 PM
Point being.

Question, why should I stop helping because one person doesn't like men helping kids? I'm not doing anything wrong so why should I feel guilty or ashamed from your constant harassment? Now times this by the membership of Freemasonry. And again, bad apples we expel.

Bad apples = those who break the law, and those who break Masonic oaths and charges. One of the charges is to be a good law abiding citizen.

Sorry, but I never said you should stop helping.

Again.

You have a reading comprehension problem.

I said that I have a problem with an all male organization that is involved primarily in children's charities.

I never said that you should stop helping.

You are stating a fabrication of your own mind.

In essence, you are lying about what I have written.

Since Freemasonry requires that you be an upstanding citizen and it has been determined that you are fabricating my words and lying as to what I have written, could this be reason for your expulsion?

I said I have a problem with an ALL MALE ORGANIZATION that is involved primarily in children's charities.

That is my opinion and if you equate an opinion to harrassment, you would be wrong.

It's called freedom of speech and not harrassment.

Learn the difference and deal with it.

Or, feel free to leave if you can't deal with it.

Like I said, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post on this forum so you can play the victim of harrassment card when someone expresses an opinion that doesn't agree with your own.

If you feel like you're being harassed because another poster on this forum has an opinion about Freemasonry that is in direct contrast to your opinion, I suggest that you leave rather than accuse them of harrassment.

Otherwise, stay and accept the fact that not EVERYONE here is going to agree with you, and if they don't, it will be determined to be a difference of opinion and not the ACCUSATORY harrassment you want to slap on us.

BTW, we could say the same about you, but we haven't.

Kindly inform us as to what LAWS some of your Masonic brothers have broken that have caused them to be expelled from the Freemasonry cult and what oaths some of your brothers have broken that have also caused their expulsion from the group.

P.S. You are not a FREEMASONRY higher-up, so kindly stop pretending as if you know all that which your SUPERIORS have been involved with since the inception of this organization.

KSigMason
10-28-2009, 06:47 PM
Well, I'm going off of the world according to BA. In your mind, an all male organization is wrong for helping children. I belong to that all male organization so logic leads to the conclusion that what I'm doing is wrong.

I haven't lied about what you have written. I just followed the logical sequence. Plus, a petty squabble will never constitute an expulsion nor is lying against the law (unless under Oath in court).

I never said you should stop free speech, but if I think someone's opinion is wrong, I have the right to counter argue. Freedom is a two way street.

Prime example, this year we expelled a Brother for misappropriation of funds. He was writing checks to himself instead of repairs for the building. He was removed from the positions he held and was found guilty by a tribunal. He tried to appeal, but we found that the tribunal decision should stand. I had to remove someone from Lodge after a late report came to my attention that this person was a felon. He lied to us on his application so we kicked him out.

If a Brother breaks any part of his Oath he is up for expulsion, easy as that.

PS - You don't know who the higher-ups are. Even if I was a 32nd, you'd say I wasn't a 33rd. If I was a 33rd you would say there was an inner circle. Hell, I could tell you I was in the CBCS, ROOS, HRAKTP, or CRCC (of which are just as exclusive if not more than the 33rd, but in the York Rite), but you'd still say there was something higher. You have no idea where I stand in the structure of Freemasonry.

BlueAngel
10-30-2009, 12:13 AM
Well, I'm going off of the world according to BA. In your mind, an all male organization is wrong for helping children. I belong to that all male organization so logic leads to the conclusion that what I'm doing is wrong.

I haven't lied about what you have written. I just followed the logical sequence. Plus, a petty squabble will never constitute an expulsion nor is lying against the law (unless under Oath in court).

I never said you should stop free speech, but if I think someone's opinion is wrong, I have the right to counter argue. Freedom is a two way street.

Prime example, this year we expelled a Brother for misappropriation of funds. He was writing checks to himself instead of repairs for the building. He was removed from the positions he held and was found guilty by a tribunal. He tried to appeal, but we found that the tribunal decision should stand. I had to remove someone from Lodge after a late report came to my attention that this person was a felon. He lied to us on his application so we kicked him out.

If a Brother breaks any part of his Oath he is up for expulsion, easy as that.

PS - You don't know who the higher-ups are. Even if I was a 32nd, you'd say I wasn't a 33rd. If I was a 33rd you would say there was an inner circle. Hell, I could tell you I was in the CBCS, ROOS, HRAKTP, or CRCC (of which are just as exclusive if not more than the 33rd, but in the York Rite), but you'd still say there was something higher. You have no idea where I stand in the structure of Freemasonry.

Again.

I HAVE A PROBLEM with ANY organization that is comprised only of males and involved primarily in children's charities.

This is my PERSONAL OPINION.

IT does not involve you.

However, if you consider my opinion to be logic, then, apparently, as you say, what you are doing is wrong.

P.S. You have no idea who the higher-ups in Freemasonry are either.

EireEngineer
10-30-2009, 11:35 PM
Again.

I HAVE A PROBLEM with ANY organization that is comprised only of males and involved primarily in children's charities.

This is my PERSONAL OPINION.

IT does not involve you.

However, if you consider my opinion to be logic, then, apparently, as you say, what you are doing is wrong.

P.S. You have no idea who the higher-ups in Freemasonry are either.
Something tells me that you also are the first to cry sexism, but that is just my opinion. Do you also have a problem with the Boy Scouts?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 12:25 AM
Something tells me that you also are the first to cry sexism, but that is just my opinion. Do you also have a problem with the Boy Scouts?

Yeah.

I was the first to cry sexism.

Just google me and I'll come up on Wikipedia.

BlueAngel; the FIRST to cry sexism.

After my membership on this site since 2005, has anyone ever heard me cry sexism?

Didn't think so.

Since the answer to that question is a resounding no, I assume this would suggest that the "SOMETHING" who advises EireEngineer as to what he should believe is supplying him with FALSE INFORMATION.

This isn't the first time that EireEngineer has referenced that "SOMETHING" tells him what he needs to know.

Obviously, EireEngineer is all about Freemasonry.

That's okay.

To each their own.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is wrong.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:01 AM
Yeah.

I was the first to cry sexism.

Just google me and I'll come up on Wikipedia.

BlueAngel; the FIRST to cry sexism.

After my membership on this site since 2005, has anyone ever heard me cry sexism?

Didn't think so.

Since the answer to that question is a resounding no, I assume this would suggest that the "SOMETHING" who advises EireEngineer as to what he should believe is supplying him with FALSE INFORMATION.

This isn't the first time that EireEngineer has referenced that "SOMETHING" tells him what he needs to know.

Obviously, EireEngineer is all about Freemasonry.

That's okay.

To each their own.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is wrong.
Wow, you are really funny tonight! Do you not understand simple figures of speach? I was referring to my belief that since you posted an obviously sexist statement, you are probably also prone to crying sexism at every mishap that occurs in your life. But I could be wrong. I was not saying you were the first to utter the phrase, obviously. Also, I really couldnt care less about freemasonry, but I do have a problem with FemiNazis that try to pigeonhole all men as bastards just because they got stood up for the prom once or someone pointed out the obvious fact that their ass is huge.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:07 AM
Wow, you are really funny tonight! Do you not understand simple figures of speach? I was referring to my belief that since you posted an obviously sexist statement, you are probably also prone to crying sexism at every mishap that occurs in your life. But I could be wrong. I was not saying you were the first to utter the phrase, obviously. Also, I really couldnt care less about freemasonry, but I do have a problem with FemiNazis that try to pigeonhole all men as bastards just because they got stood up for the prom once or someone pointed out the obvious fact that their ass is huge.

Yes.

I am funny tonight, aren't I?

You could be wrong, but most definitely you are.

So sorry about those women you know who pigeon hole all men as bastards because they were stood up at the prom or someone pointed out the obvious fact that their ass is huge.

Damn, those women.

How dare they form an opinion about a man who stands them up at a prom and/or points out that their ass is huge.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:11 AM
The point being that they form said opinion about ALL men, or didnt you understand that?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:12 AM
The point being that they form said opinion about ALL men, or didnt you understand that?

Who forms said opinion about all men?

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:13 AM
Obviously someone that says sexist comments about men. Duh:cool:

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:20 AM
Obviously someone that says sexist comments about men. Duh:cool:

The original point was that you accused me of being the first to cry sexism and now you think you can detract.

Sorry, ain't going to happen.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:25 AM
And I explained why I believe that to be the case.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:35 AM
And I explained why I believe that to be the case.

Nope.

You never explained why you accused me of being the first to cry sexism.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:37 AM
Nope.

You never explained why you accused me of being the first to cry sexism.
here it is again.

Originally Posted by EireEngineer http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f32/masonic-shriners-pedophile-pigs-6239-post62124.html#post62124)
Wow, you are really funny tonight! Do you not understand simple figures of speach? I was referring to my belief that since you posted an obviously sexist statement, you are probably also prone to crying sexism at every mishap that occurs in your life. But I could be wrong. I was not saying you were the first to utter the phrase, obviously. Also, I really couldnt care less about freemasonry, but I do have a problem with FemiNazis that try to pigeonhole all men as bastards just because they got stood up for the prom once or someone pointed out the obvious fact that their ass is huge.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:39 AM
Its very similar to what happens whit racism: those who cry racism the loudest most often are racists themselves. Same goes for sexism.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:42 AM
Its very similar to what happens whit racism: those who cry racism the loudest most often are racists themselves. Same goes for sexism.

Well, obviously, since I've never cried sexism or racism, according to you, that makes me neither.

WHEW!

Thank goodness, I've passed the EireEngineer racism and sexism test.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:44 AM
You can assert that, but colour me suspicious.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:49 AM
You can assert that, but colour me suspicious.

I have asserted nothing as far as racism and/or sexism is concerned, but you have.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:59 AM
Again with the misrepresentation. Is that the only tactic you have?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 02:11 AM
Again with the misrepresentation. Is that the only tactic you have?

Again, with the misrepresentation. Is that the only tactic you have?

Obviously!

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 02:12 AM
You can try, but you won't win.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 06:58 AM
Cute, but neither will you, Ms. Intellect the size of a Pea

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Cute, but neither will you, Ms. Intellect the size of a Pea

I beg to differ.

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 11:51 PM
here it is again.

Originally Posted by EireEngineer http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f32/masonic-shriners-pedophile-pigs-6239-post62124.html#post62124)
Wow, you are really funny tonight! Do you not understand simple figures of speach? I was referring to my belief that since you posted an obviously sexist statement, you are probably also prone to crying sexism at every mishap that occurs in your life. But I could be wrong. I was not saying you were the first to utter the phrase, obviously. Also, I really couldnt care less about freemasonry, but I do have a problem with FemiNazis that try to pigeonhole all men as bastards just because they got stood up for the prom once or someone pointed out the obvious fact that their ass is huge.

Kindly quote the sexist statement that I posted.

If you're referring to my opinion that I have a problem with any ALL MALE organization involved primarily in children's charities, that's not a sexist statement.

It's MY OPINION.

Learn the difference.

EireEngineer
11-02-2009, 12:28 PM
Kindly quote the sexist statement that I posted.

If you're referring to my opinion that I have a problem with any ALL MALE organization involved primarily in children's charities, that's not a sexist statement.

It's MY OPINION.

Learn the difference.
It certainly falls into the category of " Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender."

JBoy
10-19-2010, 07:27 AM
Pigs is a UNDERSTATEMENT for shriners. they are evil pedophiles, as is there boy scout org, rainbow girl org. and demoley org. ALL fronts for there members to play with kids in a legal disguised fashion.The parents of these kids are masonic. period !!..If all this masonic child abuse is ever uncovered, it will make priests look like sunday school classes !!!. Many ,many pedophiles are in this cult. mormons,and especially the LDS are well aware of child abuse.
they practice masonic law..

Phollic sysbols of male organs, u know what is on there sorry minds !!!
aprons covering the groin area ???. its like a skirt they pull up ?????
They do teach gay practice in the OTO< but disguised in the masons..
kiss the spine area,mouth,navel and yes, penis !!!! its ritual. !!!
U know for a fact, if they are shriners, they have surely, raised the skirt !!!

KSigMason
10-25-2010, 10:32 PM
Actually the Boy Scouts is not connected to Freemasonry. Actually we strive not to let criminals into our organization. In fact, when I was Master, we stopped someone with a shady past from getting in.

Phollic sysbols? You mean "phallic symbols"? Actually the meanings are well known to the members. Its the conspirators that seem to have sex on the brain.

The OTO is not a Masonic organization. There may be cross membership, but the OTO is not a part of the Masonic family. Fact.

I do love when non-members think they know more than actual members. Cracks me up every time.

BlueAngel
10-26-2010, 08:43 PM
Actually the Boy Scouts is not connected to Freemasonry. Actually we strive not to let criminals into our organization. In fact, when I was Master, we stopped someone with a shady past from getting in.

Phollic sysbols? You mean "phallic symbols"? Actually the meanings are well known to the members. Its the conspirators that seem to have sex on the brain.

The OTO is not a Masonic organization. There may be cross membership, but the OTO is not a part of the Masonic family. Fact.

I do love when non-members think they know more than actual members. Cracks me up every time.

So, you consider the Boy Scouts to be criminals?

OMG.

Thank Goodness.

When KSigMason was a Master Freemason, he actually stopped someone with a shady past from getting into his Freemasonry lodge.

We are just so thankful to you for all of your efforts in saving the rest of us from allowing someone with a shady past from besoming a member of your lodge.

You have saved us all.

So, since this occurred when you were a Master Mason what are you now?

I love when members of Freemasonry who are low men on the totem pole such as KSigMason think they know more than we do or the higher-ups.

Cracks me up every time.
__________________

KSigMason
10-29-2010, 10:16 PM
So, you consider the Boy Scouts to be criminals?
No I never said that. As you plainly can see I broke up the two subjects with sentences. Maybe I should have started a new paragraph to help clear up that matter. Subject One: Boy Scouts are not a part of the Masonic family. Subject Two: We strive not to let criminals into our group.

When KSigMason was a Master Freemason, he actually stopped someone with a shady past from getting into his Freemasonry lodge.

We are just so thankful to you for all of your efforts in saving the rest of us from allowing someone with a shady past from becoming a member of your lodge.

You have saved us all.
It had nothing to do with the rest of you. All you are doing is mocking the argument that I have presented to another poster. My argument presented a counter point to his baseless accusations.

So, since this occurred when you were a Master Mason what are you now?
I was Worshipful Master of the Lodge, now I am a Past Master. I was offered a position in the Grand Lodge, but I'm otherwise occupied for the next year so it will have to wait.

I love when members of Freemasonry who are low men on the totem pole such as KSigMason think they know more than we do or the higher-ups.
So again. You think you know more than the actual members? Are you so naive that you think I didn't do any research? I mean, if you think you have some cache of information, what do you think I have from going through the various ceremonies? Nothing any conspiracy theorist has ever said has held a grain of sand to the truth.

Do you also compare your intellect to those some say control the world and hold some secret going back into antiquity? People who supposedly have all sorts of power. With a few public books and access to internet (so well known for its accuracy), you think you hold more knowledge of the internal workings of an organization that first created a Grand Lodge in 1717 and has possibility of going back to the 10th century?

I mean, I come here in full sincerity and with honesty explain the truth of the matter and I'm mocked? Whatever. Maybe some won't be swayed, but the rational will be. Like I've said before, the only enemies to Freemasonry are tyranny, ignorance, and fanaticism.

BlueAngel
10-31-2010, 06:36 PM
Sorry, but you didn't break up the two sentences.

They ran together.

FYI, KSigMason, we don't care anything about your membership in Freemansory and/or what title you hold; what you do within the organization, etc., and I have no clue why you think we do and/or why you continue to post on this forum.

KSigMason
10-31-2010, 08:03 PM
Sorry, but you didn't break up the two sentences.

They ran together.
I did have two different sentences. That can be plainly see. I recognized that I should have made it more clear so as not to confuse people, but I made my point clear in my previous post.

FYI, KSigMason, we don't care anything about your membership in Freemansory and/or what title you hold; what you do within the organization, etc., and I have no clue why you think we do and/or why you continue to post on this forum.
You posted this:

So, since this occurred when you were a Master Mason what are you now?
And now say you don't care? Seems like a contradiction. You ask what I do and then say you don't care? Hmmmm...

I'm still awaiting the response from JBoy. This tireless mocking does nothing except detract from the debate on the subject.

BlueAngel
10-31-2010, 08:13 PM
You're grasping at straws.

I don't ever contradict myself, but you do.

Just because I inquired as to whatever you said it was occurred when you were whatever rank you say you were at the time during your Freemasonry membership does not indicate that I care.

You posted a response that indicated you believe the boy scouts to be a criminal organization.

Sorry.

Can't backtrack.

It's right here in plain sight.

I quoted it.

KSigMason
10-31-2010, 10:47 PM
You posted a response that indicated you believe the boy scouts to be a criminal organization.
No. You're putting words in my mouth. You should know, I was a Boy Scout.

BlueAngel
10-31-2010, 10:59 PM
No. You're putting words in my mouth. You should know, I was a Boy Scout.

Sorry, pal, but I'm not putting words in your mouth.

I refer you to your previous comment wherein you will see that you are the one whose words came out of his own mouth and not something I put into it.

Your mouth, that is.

I have no clue why you think I should know that you were a Boy Scout.

And, even if I knew you were a Boy Scout, which I didn't, so what?

JBoy
11-01-2010, 06:14 AM
UK MASONIC POLICE PROTECT MASONIC CRIMINALS
After investigations into three of the most notorious mass murderers
Shipman ,Huntley and Hamilton
it was clear that in every case UK police failed to take any action
against the growing mountain of evidence
showing they had been acting criminally right up to the time they had
murdered.
The connection is clear that Dr.Harold Shipman(the second biggest mass
murderer in history) ,Ian Huntley(murdered two children after working
as a janitor despite a history af abuse) and Thomas Hamilton(who
murdered 16 children in Dunblane despite a history of complaints about
his conduct around children he took to summer camps) ALL had been
associated with an agenda connecting senior police officers to Masonic
secret society networks and who have infiltrated to control ALL key
areas of law .From lawyers,judges ,law lords ,politicians,Chief
Constables, right down to the ordinary constable ,the UK is dominated
by this sinister network.
The UK media fail time and again to expose that connection indeed the
UK media have throughout its history kept a TIGHT lid on a system that
dominates all parts of UK life.UNTIL the media stop covering up this
sinister connection we will continue to see MASONIC CONTROLLING bullies
and criminals getting away with MURDER thanks to those failures.
Internet users will continue to EXPOSE each and every part of society
that has been aiding and abetting masonic control over our daily lives
causing untold misery and deaths ,due to repeated and consistent
failures of our legal systems to stop masonic interference.The
complicity and collusion is breathtaking in a so called modern society
that will remain in the dark ages until there is widespread publicity
and debate on these serious matters.

JBoy
11-01-2010, 06:32 AM
Freemasonry is Lucifer/Satan worship



"...and a 32nd or 33rd degree Mason is behind the veil laughing his head off and rolling in the aisle every time a new sucker is initiated into the 1st degree of Freemasonry."


ALL THE SNAKES HISSING IN THE SAME PIT
Masonic ritual quasi cult
Albert Pike was even more direct when he stated, "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry
Pike states that Masonry is the unifier of all religions and that "the Christian, the Hebrew, the Moslem, the Brahmin, the followers of Confucius and Zoroaster, can assemble as brethren and unite in prayer to the one God who is above all the Baalim."(15) In other words, the biblical God is reduced to the level of all the other gods and at the same time rendered as equal with the false gods of those religions. Therefore, Christianity is stripped of its uniqueness as the one true religion that offers humanity its only hope for salvation.
The god of Freemasonry is a force resident within all living things, and The religion of the Craft is pantheism.

The Mason may unwittingly be a part of the Lodge thinking that it is an extension of his Christian faith, when in fact it is a "Trojan horse," allowing another god into his soul.


"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light". Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry .

"SEETHING ENERGIES OF LUCIFER WITHIN YOUR HANDS"!
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]
This statement is the most bold and concise anyone can create in the English language! It boldly states that, once the Mason learns to control his emotion, and to properly apply the "dynamo of living power", he can be assured of being able to control the "seething energies of Lucifer" in his hands. Further, he admits that Masonry is the Craft, the old name for Witchcraft! Further, all Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall is promising here.
This is most powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism, because its language is direct and clear, not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand. Further, note that Hall and Reynold E. Blight are 33rd Degree Masons, while the Illustrator is 32nd Degree. Macoy Publishing Company is also one of the most respected of all Masonic Publishing Houses.
Over the years since I read Cooper's book, I have verified the vast majority of the information contained therein. Even the former Illuminist Witch, Doc Marquis, keeps this book on his shelf. If you want to speak to Doc about the veracity of this information, you may call him at Christians Exposing The Occult , P.O. Box 632436, Nacogdoches, TX 75963-2436, or call him at 409-552-7313. Doc even has many of the super secret books, called Esoteric books, of Freemasonry, including many written in code. Doc verifies Cooper's statement, above.
Masonic Rituals for Entered Apprentice, FellowCraft and Master Mason Degrees of Blue Lodge (http://www.ephesians5-11.org/masonicritual/index.htm)

MASONRY PROVEN CONCLUSIVELY TO BE WORSHIP OF LUCIFER, SATAN! Part 1 of 2 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html)

Freemasonry, Scouting and the Order of the Arrow (http://www.100megsfree4.com/stimso/oa1.htm)
( Masons own )

JBoy
11-01-2010, 06:38 AM
Candidates entering the Order also had to kiss their initiator on the mouth, the navel, the penis, and at "the base of the spine." These kisses were regarded by critics of the Order as proof of their perverted sexual activities, but in the occult tradition, the navel, sexual organs and the perineum are the physical locations of the psychic centres of the human body, known in the East as chakras.


A GOD BORN FROM THE BUTTOCKS OF A COW !!!!!!!

JBoy
11-01-2010, 07:14 AM
Satanic abuse no myth, say experts
Rigorous Intuition: Walpurgisnacht (http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/04/walpurgisnacht.html)
The Independent | Britain | British News and Information (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=7290)
A specially commissioned government report will this week conclude that satanic abuse does take place in Britain. It will say that its victims have suffered actual abuse and are not suffering from "false memory syndrome".
The report, ordered by the Department of Health, focuses on the experiences of 50 "survivors". Compiled by Dr John Hale, director of the Portman Clinic in London, and psychotherapist Valerie Sinason, it will reopen the debate which started a decade ago with testimonies from children in Nottingham, Rochdale and Orkney.
Its findings contradict the claims of a report ordered by the Conservative government in 1994, which concluded that satanic abuse was a "myth". It follows the growing concern of child protection agencies, and the Government, over organised child abuse.
Last week, it emerged that police were investigating the alleged sexual and physical abuse of up to 4,000 children in care homes and council-run homes in Devon. Ms Sinason, who has treated 126 ritual abuse survivors, said yesterday that in many cases children were tortured by being held under water or made to believe they had witnessed the murder of infants as part of the satanic ritual.
"Some children are born for the purpose of abuse and are not registered on birth certificates," she added. "The abusers use trickery to convince children they have taken part in murder. This increases the power of the abuser."
The report will point to the difficulty of bringing prosecutions because of the problems of putting abused children into the witness box. There are currently at least five cases involving ritual abuse in the hands of lawyers. Lee Moore, a barrister who founded the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers, and was himself a victim of ritual abuse, said it was hard to persuade people to give evidence, particularly after the 1994 report claiming satanic abuse was a myth perpetuated by social workers.
The latest report was welcomed by Dr Joan Coleman, a Surrey psychiatrist who has spent 14 years treating victims. "A lot of children are born into satanic families who indulge in this ritual abuse," she said. "It's only now that child sexual abuse is being exposed that people are beginning to believe ritual abuse exists."
The report will be studied by John Hutton, the health department minister with responsibility for child protection. He is expected to order an investigation into its findings.
Rigorous Intuition: Walpurgisnacht (http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/04/walpurgisnacht.html)

JBoy
11-01-2010, 07:25 AM
PORNO PRIFITS...Masonic Based

Packaging abuse of women as entertainment for adults TheStar.com - living - Packaging abuse of women as entertainment for adults - Cruel, degrading scenes `normalized' for generation brought up in dot-com world 1/26/08 Antonia Zerbisias Living Columnist....

According to the Internet Filter Review, worldwide porn revenues, including in-room movies at hotels, sex clubs and the ever-expanding E-sex world, topped $97 billion in 2006. That's more than the revenues of the top technology companies combined: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo!, Apple, Netflix and EarthLink....

Every second, 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography....

That's a lot of women who, for whatever their reasons, and most likely they are economic, are being tortured....and young too...very young....3 yrs.and up

There's a huge market for the domination of women....

Robert Jensen, a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin, has been tracking the trend for years. In his new book Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity, he writes with alarm about how the "cruelty line" in mass-market pornography is driving up. At the same time, the "normalization" line – "the measure of the acceptance of pornography in the mainstream of contemporary culture" – is also up, sharply. "If pornography is increasingly cruel and degrading, why is it increasingly commonplace instead of more marginalized?" he writes. "In a society that purports to be civilized, wouldn't we expect most people to reject sexual material that becomes evermore (sic) dismissive of the humanity of women? How do we explain the simultaneous appearance of more, and increasingly more intense, ways to humiliate women sexually and the rising popularity of the films that present those activities?" http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/296391

Family Trauma Survivors' Network Annual Leadership Training Conference in Haines City, Florida (near Disney World) April 3 - 6, 2008 :

A leadership conference for Survivors interested in developing their leadership abilities, those interested in Survivor-run programs, and those interested in helping to develop a Trauma Support Group in their area :

For information: Anita Cape at familyptsdnet@aol.com or Family Trauma Survivors Network (http://www.traumasurvivorssupport.com/)

JBoy
11-01-2010, 09:04 AM
THIRTY WISE SAYINGS

By Solomon, from Proverbs 22:17 - 24:22

INTRODUCTION:
Turn your ear, and listen to the words of the wise. Apply your heart to my teaching. For it is a pleasant thing if you keep them within you, if all of them are ready on your lips. That your trust may be in Yahweh, I teach you today, even you. Haven't I written to you thirty excellent things of counsel and knowledge, to teach you truth, reliable words, to give sound answers to the ones who sent you?

Don't exploit the poor, because he is poor; and don't crush the needy in court; for Yahweh will plead their case, and plunder the life of those who plunder them.
Don't befriend a hot-tempered man, and don't associate with one who harbors anger: lest you learn his ways, and ensnare your soul.
Don't you be one of those who strike hands, of those who are collateral for debts. If you don't have means to pay, why should he take away your bed from under you?.
Don't move the ancient boundary stone, which your fathers have set up.
Do you see a man skilled in his work? He will serve kings; he won't serve obscure men.
When you sit to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before you; put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to appetite. Don't be desirous of his dainties, seeing they are deceitful food.
Don't weary yourself to be rich. In your wisdom, show restraint. Why do you set your eyes on that which is not? For it certainly sprouts wings like an eagle and flies in the sky.
Don't eat the food of him who has a stingy eye, and don't crave his delicacies: for as he thinks about the cost, so he is. "Eat and drink!" he says to you, but his heart is not with you. The morsel which you have eaten you shall vomit up, and lose your good words.
Don't speak in the ears of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.
Don't move the ancient boundary stone. Don't encroach on the fields of the fatherless: for their Defender is strong. He will plead their case against you.
Apply your heart to instruction, and your ears to the words of knowledge.
Don't withhold correction from a child. If you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod, and save his soul from Sheol.
My son, if your heart is wise, then my heart will be glad, even mine: yes, my heart will rejoice, when your lips speak what is right.
Don't let your heart envy sinners; but rather fear Yahweh all the day long. Indeed surely there is a future hope, and your hope will not be cut off.
Listen, my son, and be wise, and keep your heart on the right path! Don't be among ones drinking too much wine, or those who gorge themselves on meat: for the drunkard and the glutton shall become poor; and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
Listen to your father who gave you life, and don't despise your mother when she is old. Buy the truth, and don't sell it: get wisdom, discipline, and understanding. The father of the righteous has great joy. Whoever fathers a wise child delights in him. Let your father and your mother be glad! Let her who bore you rejoice!
My son, give me your heart; and let your eyes keep in my ways. For a prostitute is a deep pit; and a wayward wife is a narrow well. Yes, she lies in wait like a robber, and increases the unfaithful among men.
Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who stay long at the wine; those who go to seek out mixed wine. Don't look at the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly: In the end, it bites like a snake, and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange things, and your mind will imagine confusing things. Yes, you will be as he who lies down in the midst of the sea, or as he who lies on top of the rigging: "They hit me, and I was not hurt; they beat me, and I don't feel it! When will I wake up? I can do it again. I can find another."
Don't be envious of evil men. Neither desire to be with them: For their hearts plot violence, and their lips talk about mischief.
Through wisdom a house is built; By understanding it is established; By knowledge the rooms are filled with all rare and beautiful treasure.
A wise man has great power; And a knowledgeable man increases strength; For by wise guidance you wage your war; And victory is in many advisors.
Wisdom is too high for a fool: He doesn't open his mouth in the gate.
One who plots to do evil will be called a schemer. The schemes of folly are sin. The mocker is detested by men.
If you falter in the time of trouble, your strength is small.
Rescue those who are being led away to death! Indeed, hold back those who are staggering to the slaughter! If you say, "Behold, we didn't know this;" Doesn't he who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, doesn't he know it? Shall he not render to every man according to his work?
My son, eat honey, for it is good; The droppings of the honeycomb, which are sweet to your taste: So you shall know wisdom to be to your soul; if you have found it, then there will be a reward, your hope will not be cut off.
Don't lay in wait, wicked man, against the habitation of the righteous. Don't destroy his resting-place: for a righteous man falls seven times, and rises up again; but the wicked are overthrown by calamity.
Don't rejoice when your enemy falls. Don't let your heart be glad when he is overthrown; Lest Yahweh see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.
Don't fret yourself because of evildoers; Neither be envious of the wicked: For there will be no reward to the evil man; and the lamp of the wicked shall be snuffed out.
My son, fear Yahweh and the king. Don't join those who are rebellious: For their calamity will rise suddenly; The destruction from them both -- who knows?
The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. All those who do his work have a good understanding. His praise endures forever! Psalm 111.10 WEB

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JBoy
11-01-2010, 09:22 AM
1. Mirroring your life. Copyrighted by porch garbage, Masonic roaches..Online Harassment

The most common harassment is starting the discussion that they expected you to start, but in a way that ridicules you. The username of the thread starter could be a mockery or the subject could be twisted into an undesirable direction.

Example 1. You want to register harassment.info and want to ask for advice. They started already a discussion about registering suicide.info

Example 2. You fell with your bicycle. Now a perp starts a discussion with the title "I fell with my bicycle" and he describes what happened to you but it's written as if it happened to him. Then the others are mocking him. When you read it you will understand that in fact they are mocking you.

Example 3. A perp disappears for a while from the forum, just like you did. Now another perp starts a discussion "Where is he? Is he dead?" Then he reappears to explain that he is psychotic and that he has to take medication. This is a way of telling that you are going to be dead or psychotic and on medication. The comments of the other perps say that they enjoy it.

Example 4. A perp wants to sell something that you have and asks how much they would be willing to pay.

2. Inviting you for a real world contact.

Don't ever respond to that. They are the worst stalkers that you can find.

Example. A perp has a present for you. He gives you his address. He gives you the present. Then he shows you that he has gold. Then he walks outside because his mobile phone rings, leaving you alone with the "gold".

3. Classic spam that is different from that of a spam perp.

1. An image that contains a written message is standard spam. The first time I saw it I thought that it was unique but I saw that just the same trick was used by other harassment agents on other websites.

2. Very short posts that don't add value to the current post.

Examples:
* a post with only the words "i dunno" or "lol cool".
* a post with only a smilie.


3. Double posting.

4. A very long piece of undesired text is standard spam, sometimes posted over and over again in your discussion.

5. Posts that serve no other purpose than to increase the post count, to give the impression that the discussion is popular.

6. Posts that serve no other purpose than to complete the page with 10 messages, so the next message will appear on top of a new page. That new message may then give the impression that it has nothing to do with the subject and the poster could get banned.

7. Posts that serve no other purpose than to move the discussion to the top of the list.

8. A signature can contain a mockery.


4. Disregarding your opinion.

Example. Someone wrote clearly bad advice. You answered with good advice. The next poster praises the first advice.

5. Disregarding your emotions.

Example. You wrote very negatively about a perp and he asks you to help him with his website.

6. Giving a clearly wrong answer to your question.

Example. They recommend the thing that you didn't want.

Example. You have a .tk domain name but it's listed very low in the google results. You ask advice for a "real" domain name without telling that you have a .tk domain. They recommend a .tk domain.

7. Refusing to answer a question that you wrote in a way that you can only answer with yes or no.

8. Using grammatical constructions that make it easy to misinterpret the text.

Example. You know if I didn't know better I would think you are a perp.

(That's 14 words, 6 verbs.)

9. Registering or forbidding the username that you had in mind when you want to register on a forum.

10. Using different usernames to establish a reputation.

Example. You complain that someone cheated on you. Now he uses an other username to tell the others that he knows him and that he's such a fine man.

Example. X starts a discussion "Y is after all a fine man." X explains that he met Y. Y came from that far city to help X repair his bicycle. But X and Y are the same person.


Using the "cut & paste" theme

JBoy
11-01-2010, 09:33 AM
Shock & ???

Again Pope Leo VII said: "Freemasonry is the permanent personification of the Revolution; it constitutes a sort of society in reverse whose aim is to exercise an occult overlordship upon society as we know it, and whose sole raison d'etre consists of waging war against God and his Church." (De Poncins, Freemasonry and the Vatican, p. 45)

In Freemasonry and the Vatican, Leon de Poncins uses Jewish sources to argue that Freemasonry is closely related to Judaism. For example, Rabbi Elle Benamozegh wrote: "Masonic theology corresponds well enough to that of the Kabbala.,,,(Israel et L'Humanite, p.73)
De Poncins cites an article that appeared in 1861 in a Parisian Jewish Review La Verite Israelite: "But the spirit of Freemasonry is that of Judaism in its most fundamental beliefs; its ideas are Judaic, its language is Judaic, its very organization, almost, is Judaic... "

De Poncins writes that the goal of both Freemasonry and Judaism is the unification of the world under Jewish law. (Freemasonry and the Vatican, p. 76)

Judeo Masonic culture hasn't been all-bad. It has allowed us to accept our sexual desires without feeling guilty and given us the freedom to find God again on our own terms. However these benefits are temporary enticements. The ultimate aim is to divorce us from God and enslave us to our sexual and material lusts, i.e. to arrest our development.

But I have no doubt that mankind is being subverted by its political and cultural leaders, beholden to international bankers and their allies, who are often practising Luciferians. They use Judaism (incl. Zionism) and Freemasonry as instruments of organization and control. Obviously the majority of Jews and Freemasons are unaware or do not believe this.

Modern culture perpetuates Lucifer's rebellion. It makes a God of man. Man defines everything including goodness and truth. As result, we are in a spiritual prison cut off from God and oppressed by relentless reminders of our stunted development.

I'm afraid spiritual and psychological enslavement is but a prelude to a political and economic one.

Henry Makow

JBoy
11-01-2010, 09:37 AM
Freemasonry: Closeted Mental Illness?

Multiple, profound incidents involving members of the organization lead to a singular question: is Freemasonry a haven for the mentally ill?

Freemasonry is a ritual-based organization, meaning each activity, from closed meetings to new member induction, is a performance of specific actions with value assigned by its membership.

From a psychological perspective, individuals who feel compelled to participate in elitist ritualistic activities do so to affirm self worth. It is for this reason that Freemasonry attracts individuals who lack a sense of unconditional acceptance within mainstream society, identifiable by the desire to be "free" and "accepted" individuals within a private "society
.
A group of individuals seeking affirmation of self value is likely to share other related emotional disorders, therefore resulting in, even if unintentionally, patterns of unhealthy behavior or actions that are accepted by the group.


Interaction with peers outside of traditional work and family environments can be an enriching, rewarding way to improve quality of life while promoting unity and the fulfillment of worthwhile community causes. Though Freemasonry’s marketed organizational construct conveys this, the goals and objectives integrated into its following reflect an obscure secondary motive: to ensure the well-being of its members through mutual assistance. Providing a support network of mutual assistance to an emotionally deprived group of individuals seeking affirmation of value may be the aspect of a seemingly typical fraternal organization that has associated Freemasonry with a spectrum of malicious activities including organized crime, pedophilia, and murder.

Let God arise, and let his enemies be scattered: and let them that hate him flee before his face.
Psalm 67

KSigMason
11-01-2010, 10:32 AM
In JBoy's world, we'd be jailed or killed for being a Freemason.

Candidates entering the Order also had to kiss their initiator on the mouth, the navel, the penis, and at "the base of the spine." These kisses were regarded by critics of the Order as proof of their perverted sexual activities, but in the occult tradition, the navel, sexual organs and the perineum are the physical locations of the psychic centres of the human body, known in the East as chakras.


A GOD BORN FROM THE BUTTOCKS OF A COW !!!!!!!
This is all nothing more than a bold face lie. There are no sexual acts conducted during the Initiation. No kissing, anywhere.

JBoy
11-01-2010, 03:12 PM
6 - FREEMASONRY: SATAN'S DOOR TO AMERICA

This chapter, like Chapter Four, was written by J Edward Decker, of the FREE THE MASON MINISTRIES. I believe you will find it an eye-opener.

When the average American thinks of Masonry, the thoughts are of Children's Burn Centers and Hospitals, and the Shrine Circus, where handicapped children are often carried to the front row seats in the strong arms of weeping men who are wearing the red Fezes of their fraternity. Rarely do we see a parade without these same Shriners driving up and down the parade route in their little cars and motorcycles, dressed in clothes out of the Arabian nights, bringing laughter to the children lined up along the way.

On more serious occasions, such as the laying of public building cornerstones, or at a funeral service of a Lodge members, these same men, dressed in somber attire, wearing their ornate sashes, medallioned chains of office and ceremonial aprons, will perform with solemn dignity the rites handed down through the centuries of their secret ritual -"Good men," they say, "becoming better!"

Yet, once you get past the good-old-boy fraternal act, the funny hats of the Shriners and the sheltered reputation of the local Blue Lodge Masonic groups, there is something beyond the colorful mask, an aura of mystery, power and intrigue, complete with under oaths of false gods, blood oaths, conspiracy and back room politics.

The Fez itself, is an example of the double meaning behind most of Freemasonry's facade. Worn and even carried to the grave with pompous dignity, the history of the Fez is barbaric and anti-Christian. In the early 8th Century,
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Muslim hordes overran the Moroccan city of Fez, shouting: "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet. There they butchered almost 50,000 Christian men, women and children, all in the name of Allah, the same demon god to whom the Shriners bow in worship (and proclaim him the god of their fathers) in the Shrine initiation ceremony.

The Shriner's blood oath and confession of Allah as God is found in the secret ritual book, THE MYSTIC SHRINE An Illustrated Ritual of the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Shrine (pp. 20-22).

One must realize that ALLAH is not just another name for God. Allah is the name of another god and in usual occult fashion, the initiate swears that he will be inseparably obligated to this "most powerful and binding oath," in advance, and that he may never retract or depart from it.

During the butchering of the people of Fez, the streets literally ran red with blood of the martyred Christians. The Muslim murderers dipped their caps in the blood of their victims as testimony to Allah. These blood stained caps eventually were called Fezes and became the Muslim badge of honor. The Shriners wear that same Fez today. The greatest tragedy is that the Fez is often worn by men who profess to be Christians themselves. It must cause God to weep.

A curious piece of the Masonic conspiracy puzzle in the founding of America is the actual layout for the Capital City of Washington, D.C. Actually it's as much the audacity of the thing as the conspiratorial nature of it. You see, the city was laid out in the form of key Masonic symbols, the "Square," the "Compass," the "Rule," and the "Pentagram."

Take any good street map of downtown Washington and find the Capital Building. Facing the Capital from the Mall and using the Capital as the head or top of the compass, the left leg is represented by Pennsylvania Avenue and the right
leg by Maryland Avenue. The square is found in the usual Masonic position with the intersection of Canal Street and Louisiana Avenue. The left leg of the et aass stands on the White House and the right leg stands on the Jefferson Memorial. The circle drive and short streets behind the Capital form the head and ears of what Satanists call the GOAT OF MENDES, or the GOAT'S HEAD!

JBoy
11-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Man killed in Masonic gun ritual


By Emma Simpson

BBC News, New York

BBC NEWS | Americas | Man killed in Masonic gun ritual (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3500022.stm)

An initiation ceremony at a Masonic Lodge in New York has ended in tragedy after a man was killed during a ritual for new members.

William James was accidentally shot in the head when a lodge member used a real gun instead of a blank pistol by mistake.

The alleged gunman, a freemason aged 74, has been charged with manslaughter.

It was supposed to have been the climax of the initiation rituals at the Southside Masonic Lodge in Long Island.

Police said that William James was forced to sit in a chair with a gun pointed straight at him.

JBoy
11-03-2010, 03:13 PM
Shriners In Hot Water Again?
By Cassandra Frost


Four years ago, Vernon Hill, a retired insurance broker and Shriner of 15 years, was driving sick children to the Shriners Orthopedic Hospital in Greenville, North Carolina and Cincinnati, Ohio. As he waited to drive the kids back home, he'd visit with other Shriners from around the country and began to hear things that disturbed him. Like how officers in various Temples allegedly misappropriated the money that was raised for the hospitals. How the general membership had no idea of the way donations seemed to go towards any and everything but the hospitals they were raised for.

As Hill began asking questions, he learned of a series of investigative articles published by the Orlando Sentinel in 1986 that the popular advice columnist Ann Landers characterized as distressing. In response to a reader, Landers wrote:

"The Sentinel reported that in 1985 the Shriners kept a whopping 71 percent of the money raised, about $21.7 million.

This went to pay for a range of clubhouse expenses, including the upkeep of private bars, restaurants and golf courses. They also used the money to pay for conventions, travel and entertainment for their 880,000 members and, again, fund raising.

The Shrine's most lucrative source of income is the circuses throughout the country. They generated about $23 million in 1985, the paper reported. The records show that LESS THAN 2 percent, or $346,251, went to the medical care of the children. I find this shocking. The Sentinel cited Internal Revenue Service records showing that although the Shrine is the richest charity in the nation, it gave its 22 hospitals for children less than one-third of the gross collected from the public in 1984. The REMAINDER was spent on food, travel, entertainment, fraternal ceremonies and fund-raising."

Later that year, the Shriners Announced Fund-Raising Guidelines For Temples and according to an AP story dated October 28, 1986:

"TAMPA, Fla. - The Shriners have agreed to a new set of fund-raising guidelines after a newspaper reported that less than one-third of the money raised by the fraternal organization each year goes to its charities. A list of 10 recommendations was unanimously adopted Monday by the Shriners board at a quarterly meeting, according to a news release.

The standards "are intended to assure the public that information on Shriners fund-raising activities is sufficient to easily identify those activities which benefit the Temples and those which benefit Shriners Hospitals," said Mike Andrews, Shriners public relations director.

Under the guidelines, all 189 temples nationwide must maintain detailed financial records relating to all fund-raising, the head of each temple must approve all fund-raising done under the auspices of his temple, and temple accounts must be regularly audited or reviewed by accountants."

Expecting the Shriners to abide by their own new guidelines, Hill kept asking questions and found information to the contrary. The head of an online nonprofit group suggested that he contact a tax specialist named Paul Dolnier. After a few emails, they spoke on the phone.

"Paul asked me about ten questions and after fifteen minutes, we knew we could work together," Hill explained. Dolnier has been a tax accountant since 1991, has a Masters Degree in Taxation and spent three years as an IRS Revenue Officer. "After working for the IRS, I became a nonprofit consultant of sorts," Dolnier explained. "They are unique clients and I helped them with their IRS applications and accounting." "I don't have an axe to grind," Dolnier stated. "What I do know is that after I checked out his story, I've worked with Vernon the past 16 months to obtain hundreds of pages of documents from the IRS in Ogden, Utah. We requested the 990's directly from the IRS rather than ask the individual groups. As I reviewed the forms, it became clear to me that the Shriners have over $8.5 billion in the bank. They have the largest charitable endowment in the USA according to the Forbes Magazine Charity List for 2004. If they don't raise another dime, they can run the hospitals for the next 40 years, no problem."

According to Dolnier, "The Orlando Sentinel investigation emphasized the need for the Shriners to keep detailed financial records related to all aspects of fund raising. Today, the question needs to be asked: Why do the overall percentage of fund raising expenses All over the country based on REVIEW, always favor the fraternal fundraising (as in LOWER % of expenses) and always have higher expenses for charity?

"It would seem that maybe some expense shifting might be going on to 'keep more money' in the local Shrine Temples for fraternal member's purposes RATHER than sending more to help support the Charity Hospital," Dolnier suggested. Back in 1999, Hill remembered over hearing the Potentate or head of his Shriners Temple. "I was standing four feet away and heard the Potentate tell a new officer about all the good times they were going to have, about all the trips they'd go on."

As Hill asked more questions of the Shriner's leadership, a letter from the group's corporate offices told the head of the Sudan Shrine Temple to do what they wanted to Hill. He found himself removed from the Road Runners, the group that drives the sick and crippled children in the vans to the hospitals. He was also removed from the temple's PR committee.

It appears that Hill was removed from both committees for asking about the group's financial accountability as well as for asking "Where does all the money go?"

This ties into an issue cited in an April, 2005 report on the Shriners provided by Give.org, the nonprofit watchdog group that is part of the Better Business Bureau. The report states:

"Shriners Hospitals for Children (Shriners) does not meet the following Standard for Charity Accountability. 10: Avoid accumulating funds that could be used for current program activities. To meet this standard, the charity's unrestricted net assets available for use should not be more than three times the size of the past years expenses or three times the size of the current years budget, whichever is higher.

Shriners does not meet this standard because according to its 2003 audited financial statements, total unrestricted net assets (after excluding $757,707,000 of land, buildings and equipment) are $6,266,520,000. This amount is greater than 11 times the total expenses ($535,834,000) for 2003. As a result, Shriners does not meet this standard."

The Give.org report did state that the Shriners met all the other charity accountability standards except this one. The specific issue that both Hill and Dolnier are currently focusing on involves Shriners temples in the state of Pennsylvania. Dolnier formed, along with Hill and others, a new-profit organization called Charity Watch Center.

The Charity Watch Center web site alleges: "Attorney General's Office of Charitable Registration for the State of PA is looking at this group as a "matter of great interest " concerning past and current charity fundraising policies and procedures throughout the entire State of PA which includes ALL Shrine Temples and Groups and Clubs located within the State of PA." 1 Dolnier explained how he recently met with the chief investigator, auditor and counsel for Pennsylvania's Charitable Special Investigation unit. "They were in Florida on another matter and I sent them documentation.

They took it so seriously that instead of flying straight home, they came to Fort Lauderdale and spent about six hours with me as I explained what I've found." According to Leslie Amoros of the Special Investigation Unit's Press Office "We can't confirm or deny any investigation. Period."

Charity Watch Center explains that: "Under (Pennsylvania) State Charitable Solicitation Law, when you ask the public for donations, and you tell them the proceeds will be going to a non-profit public charity, BY LAW you will transfer 100% of the net proceeds to that named charity. If the organization that made the charity solicitation, FAILS to do what it promised the public to do, it is in VIOLATION of the Charity Solicitation laws of the state. Based on the FACTS that Charity Watch documented from this groups Federal Tax Returns for the State of PA, Charity Watch investigation documented facts that show that this group FAILED to transfer 100% of the net charitable proceeds to the approved public charity as REQUIRED by state and federal charity and tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has serious concerns regarding organizations that FAIL to completely transfer 100% of net charitable proceeds to an approved 501(c)(3) public charity.

"IRS allows for the following actions for groups that fail to do this, the Donations made to this organization will be considered as "Non-Tax Deductible donations" under IRS Tax Code Section 501(c)(10).

Plain English Explanation: If your donation was made and you deducted it on your personal federal and/or state tax return and IRS deemed it to later be "non-deductible," you would be REQUIRED to go back and AMEND every year of your previously filed tax return and REMOVE the deduction, and pay any taxes that might be owed when that happens."

Dolnier's 15 years of tax accounting experience, his Master's in Taxation and his experience as an IRS Revenue Officer dealing with IRS rules and regulations has enabled him extensively review Shriner returns from Pennsylvania, New York, California. These results are posted on the Charity Watch Center website at: help-page-nonprofit.org (http://www.help-page-nonprofit.org/pages/8/index.htm).

"This is an on going review that provides the latest updates and additions to the site as things develop," Dolnier explained. "The returns show either bad book keeping or that someone may be hiding things. My analysis shows that only 23% to 48% of the Pennsylvania groups' charitable donations are going where they are supposed to."

"Take, for example, the 2003 return for Pennsylvania's Irem Shriner Temple that is posted online," he continued. "According to my calculations, the Temple listed a net income, which is the reported fundraising portion of the temple's income, of nearly $300,000. Half of this is supposed to go towards local charities. Under "Functional Expenses: Page 2, Line 43," Charitable Contributions are listed as $50,000. So, Charity Watch Center asks: "Where did the other $100,000 go?"

"Another confusing thing," he added, "is that the returns aren't clear if the money raised through bingo or the circus or raffles or other events is for the fraternity or the charity? It is ok for the fraternity to raise money for the member's benefit as long as it is listed as such. It is not ok to raise money through bingo or the circus or the raffle for the hospital and not label it as such. The returns don't seem to indicate how much money is raised through the events for the fraternity and how much is raised for the charity. The returns are done by certified public accountants and I'm surprised that these types of details may be either overlooked or may be intentionally left out." According to Hill, things seem to have not changed since the 1986 investigation. "Today, they seem to be more secretive with no accountability. If you ask questions, they kick you out of the Shrine. I want to emphasize that the average Shriner, the general membership, has no idea what is going on. To everyone, it's Chevrolets and apple pie. I've spoken with numerous other Shriners in other states and they allege corruption but no one does anything because they are scared of losing their positions, both in the Shriners and in their professional lives." "It's a good old boy system," Hill continued. "In my temple, the Sudan Shriners, the 2003 tax returns showed that they spent $154,000 on miscellaneous expenses with no documentation. If anyone asks what the money was spent on, they will be thrown out. Is that any way to run an organization?" Hill maintains that the "good old boys" got "appointed, anointed, and electedto run things in a secretive mode of operation on a 'see nothing, hear nothing, admit nothing, know nothing' basis to the general membership."

"The Orlando Sentinel investigation proved that they solicited charitable donations through the circus to help burned and crippled children and that the millions raised did not go to the hospitals," Hill concluded. "I've spent the past four years digging into this and have sent emails, letters and documentation to everyone from the FBI to the Pennsylvania Director of Charitable Giving to the heads of the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance who are holding hearings on rewriting the IRS nonprofit laws and regulations. The Shriners had a chance to make things right, seem to have failed and may have been caught again. What I find amazing is that I'm seeing the power of how one or two people can make a difference by standing up for what we believe in."

Background on the Shriners

The Shrine is an international fraternity of approximately 500,000 members who belong to Shrine Center throughout the United States, Canada, Mexico, and The Republic of Panama. Founded in New York City in 1872 the organization is 191 Temples, or chapters, located in the United States, Canada, Mexico and the Republic of Panama.

Next: Shriners Response and Reaction

1 Legal Disclaimer: The Charity Watch Center does NOT provide legal counseling or legal opinions.

Cassandra "Sandy" Frost is an award winning e-journalist who has investigated the nonprofit claims of the International Remote Viewing Association the past three years. Her articles can be found at: http://blogs.salon.com/0003531/ and http://blogs.salon.com/0004117/.

She is the author of upcoming "The Cassandra Frost Collection" which will be published by Dandelion Books.

Read my blog at: No Fear (http://thecassandrafrostcollection.blogspot.com/)

JBoy
11-03-2010, 04:04 PM
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JBoy
11-03-2010, 04:24 PM
Testing...

JBoy
11-03-2010, 04:44 PM
more test... Shriners are infiltrating

JBoy
11-11-2010, 04:00 PM
What Good deeds !!!!!!. But what did the hospitals really get ???
under a million, I guarentee it !!!

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/08/18/4427292-sun.html
Hillbilly clans put 'yee-haw' in Shrine work
April Kemick
At most conventions, delegates try to book at least a little time to let their hair down. At this one, a gathering of Hillbillies in London, there's serious business -- but tearing loose is almost a line item on the agenda. Hundreds of Shriners from across North America are in London for a three-day convention of the Hillbilly clans, a sub-group of the international fraternity known for its network of children's hospitals across the continent. And while they've buckled down for a bit of official Shriners business, this band is bringing a taste of backwoods fun to the Forest City.

A spry senior who leads the oldest of the Hillbilly clans in the fraternity said a good time is not unknown to his mates. "Some of the Shriners units are a little more uptight, but us Hillbillies like to let our hair down," Tommy Leake of Ashland, Ky., said at the hotel holding the convention. He wore a floppy black hat with the word Hillbilly studded in rhinestones. Clad in frayed coveralls and sporting caps, the Hillbillies have been tearing up the town since they arrived Wednesday. On their official agenda, the gang and their wives -- known as "Hillbilly mamas" -- have taken in a brewery tour, sightseeing from a double-decker bus and lots of socializing.

Today, delegates to the convention hosted by London Hillbillies will showcase their spirit in a downtown parade featuring jalopies, floats and the trumpet band from the Mocha Shrine Temple, home to the London Shriners. "We do get a lot of people laughing at us, but we like putting smiles on peoples' faces," said Kentucky Hillbilly Hank Wilkes, who donned patch-covered overalls and a decorated hat. "We're a bunch of fun-loving country boys."

But Ron Cripps, who leads the local Hillbilly Shriners, said the clans' quirky costumes can be deceiving. While their costumes may make the Hillbillies look like a bunch of bedraggled country bumpkins, they've raised more than $7 million for hospitals across North America, he said. "You wouldn't know it to look at us, but we're serious about raising money for the hospitals," he said. "We have a lot of fun, but we get the job done." The Hillbilly parade starts today at 2 p.m. at Catholic Central high school at Dundas and Colborne streets.


So a Hillbilly Shriner parade full of "...fun-loving country boys..." kicking off @ a Catholic HIGH SCHOOL, in order to raise money for sick kids, that NEED to be medicated, is MOST NOBLE indeed.

Peterborough Masons donating blood and playground equipment? WTF!?! Those two are conjoined at the hip

JBoy
11-12-2010, 11:22 AM
The Shriners’ Oath reads in part:
In willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming sun shall strike me with a livid plague, and may Allah, the god of Arab Moslem, and MOHAMMEDAN, THE GOD OF OUR FATHERS, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same. Amen. Amen. Amen.

There gods, lets not forget, only 1 of 3, BAAL !!!...Not only does a Shriner have the 3 evil gods, now he has another !!! You can NOT be a shriner without being a mason.NOW, these ones have 4 !!!

brice_fallsteen
12-05-2010, 09:52 AM
Elizabeth Butler
The Valdosta Daily Times

VALDOSTA — VALDOSTA — With ponytails swinging and hips swaying, the pint-size 5-year-old in green butterfly sunglasses and St. Pat’s Day shirt enjoys a game of hula hoops on the Wii. But the game is more than just fun for Alexis Paterson: It’s helping her with her balance following surgery to correct her clubfoot.

Thanks to the generosity of Shriners, including those of the Valdosta Shrine Club, surgery was performed about 1 1/2 years ago at the Shriners Hospital in Tampa, Fla., to straighten her foot so she could walk flat instead of on the side of her foot.

Members of the Valdosta Shrine Club, a part of the Hasan Shrine in Albany, are at the Valdosta-Lowndes County Azalea City Festival today collecting money so that other children with orthopedic problems like “Lexie” and those with burns can get life-changing and, in many cases, life-saving medical help.

“Every penny will go will go to the Shriners Hospitals,” said Alan Davis, a director of the Valdosta Shriner Club.

Those with children 18 and under needing help may call Valdosta Shrine Club President Keith Stewart at 251-0339 or Shrine Hospitals at 1-800-237-5055.

Lexie’s problem was discovered when her mom, Amanda Paterson, was five months pregnant, carrying Lexie and her twin brother, Ayden. (The twins have an older sister, Alley, 7.) The twins’ dad, Anthony, and their mom were both in the Navy, stationed at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Oak Harbor, Wash.

Anthony, who had a cleft palate, wanted to learn if his twins also had the birth defect. Instead, the physician discovered Lexie had positional club foot, which meant she didn’t have enough room in the womb for her foot to grow properly.

“When she was born, the side of her foot touched her inner ankle,” Amanda said in an interview Wednesday afternoon at the home of her husband’s parents, Patty and Chris Knupp, near Clyattville, where they now live until she and Anthony finish their schooling at Valdosta State University, she in psychology and Anthony in pre-electrical engineering.

The twins were delivered prematurely at 34 weeks on Sept. 28, 2004. Amanda had been airlifted to the University of Washington in Seattle for their births. A physician from Seattle Children’s Hospital came over to check Lexie. When she was released from the hospital at 1 week old, she was referred to a physician at Seattle Children’s Hospital, who started the Ponseti treatment, a method of stretching the foot and casting it to the groin at an almost 90 degree angle until it is in the proper position.

Amanda said a new cast was put on every week.

“She was 4 pounds, 11 ounces at birth, and the cast weighed half as much as she did. The doctor would manipulate the foot as far as he could to get it to go in the proper position. The cast was almost to her diaper line, and the leg was bent and the foot turned out.”

Lexie handled the manipulations like a trooper.

“Even at a week old, they said Lexie was the quietest baby they ever had.”

Lexie’s first surgery was heel cord lengthening.

“When we arrived in Valdosta (when the twins were 6 months old), the orthopedic surgeon called it a perfect correction,” Amanda said. “Her feet were flat at that point.

But it didn’t last.

“At 1 year old, she could stand, take a step and trip,” Amanda said. “Her foot began turning back to where it had begun. They started talking surgery, and I got scared.”

Anthony’s great-aunt, Doris VanArsdale, and her husband, the late Roy VanArsdale, a Shriner, of South Bend, Ind., told them to contact the Shriners.

The Patersons got an application off the Internet for an appointment with the Shriners Hospital in Tampa. Physicians there said Lexie was too young for the surgery that was being suggested in Valdosta.

“They let Lexie do everything in her time.”

Shriners physicians did the Ponseti procedure.

“They always made her comfortable where she wouldn’t mind the procedure,” Amanda said.

“Almost two years ago, she had the full-blown surgery to do a tendon transfer to make her foot balanced. Then they did the second heel cord lengthening. They have a program where they have dolls to show them this is where the IV will go and what they were going to do.

“(After surgery) they encourage them to get up and get dressed and eat in the cafeteria and interact with the other patients, which I think speeds up recovery. They made sure her pain was manageable.”

After eight weeks in a cast, it was removed.

“Every since then, she’s running; she’s learned how to jump,” Amanda said of her child, now in pre-K at Clyattville Elementary. “Her foot will always look different, but she’s back to a functional state. She is pretty much where her brother is.

“Kristi Yamaguchi was born with a clubfoot. If she could be an Olympic medal ice skater, then Lexie can do anything. The sky’s the limit.”

Lexie’s family did not have to bear the burden of the medical treatment and surgery at Shriners Hospital.

“There’s been no cost to our family at all,” Amanda said. “It’s been a godsend.

“If there is a family that can’t drive there (to Tampa), the Shriners will take them there,” she added.

“I really want the community to understand what the Shriners do. They’re not just men who wear funny hats. It’s men who give their lives to give children an opportunity in life. They’ll give anything for the children. You can’t thank someone enough ...”

How to survive 2012
12-05-2010, 01:32 PM
Quoted from, "The Angels of Armageddon": Both the U.S. Government, and the cult organization of the Freemasons, are equally subject to inspection. The Masons have their symbols and belief structures embedded in our Government itself. This is just one of many inspirations for such speculations. Their secret language and ancient symbols are visible throughout structures in Washington, the states themselves, and most currency from the United States of America. The signs of their involvement are in countless other significant structures situated around the world.

brice_fallsteen
12-05-2010, 03:58 PM
By BLAISE VANDERHORST
FOR THE RECORDER
The Fresno Tehran Shriners held a free clinic Saturday at Sierra View District Hospital. The clinic, which ran from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m., was held to evaluate and sign-up eligible children for treatment at the Shriners Hospital in Sacramento.

“We support 22 hospitals throughout the united states, Canada and Mexico, which admit children free of charge, for any child under 18 years old, for certain orthopedic, bones, multiple sclerosis, and other cosmetic surgery,” said Thomas Crosno, recorder for the Fresno Shriners Tehran Temple. “Any child that we feel we can help under 18 years old, regardless of income, the Shriners will help that child.”

One such child, Ginelle Hernandez, age 3, was at the clinic with her mother, Sandra Andrade. Andrade spoke of her difficulties with finding treatment for her daughter, who suffers from crooked knees.

“I brought her here because I took her to the clinic, and they weren’t able to help me the way the Shriners have,” Andrade said. “I’ve been waiting for four months and I still can’t get my referral. So to me it’s very helpful.”

A total of 15 children and their parents showed up to Saturday’s clinic, 12 of whom arrived before noon. All of the children who were evaluated were approved for treatment at the hospital. Refreshments, including coffee, juice, and cookies, were provided for the parents and children while they waited, and Beep the Clown, of the Shriners clown unit, kept the kids all smiling with balloon animals and stickers.

“We had a good turnout today,” he said, his smile matching the one painted on his face. “We come to this clinic in Porterville every year. We’ve made some balloons for the kids and took their pictures and gave out stickers and just had a good time.”

Crosno said that he hopes that more parents will turn out for next year’s clinic. On getting parents to come forward, he said “Yes, that’s the biggest problem we have, having people come forward and let us know they have a problem. It’s not charity, it’s what the Shriners do, and it’s what we want to do.”

Saturday’s event was the last free Shriners clinic of the year. There will be roughly six or seven more next year, including another clinic in Porterville. For more information about the Shriners clinics and hospitals,call the Tehran Temple in Fresno at 559-251-1991.

“They can do wonderful things. I’m glad they do this for the community, and it’s wonderful the Shriners can help us,” Andrade said, watching her daughter play with the balloon animal she’d been given. “I’m thankful for them.”

JBoy
12-25-2010, 03:23 PM
Always surround themselves with children.. boy scouts.....moley.....shriners.....

FBI agents arrested or sued in civil court for Pedophilia:32rd mason
Edward Rodgers former head of FBI Child Abuse Program
http://www.headwatersproductions.com.../article4.html
32rd mason John Conditt former head of FBI internal affairs investigations.
FreeSpeech.com (http://www.freespeech.com/archives/002000.html)

NEW YORK, May 11 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- On May 11, just before
Mother's Day weekend, ten mothers, one victimized child, now an adult, and
leading national organizations and state organizations filed a complaint
against the United States with the Inter American Commission on Human
Rights. The case claims that U.S. courts, by frequently awarding child
custody to abusers and child molesters, has failed to protect the life,
liberties, security and other human rights of abused mothers and their
children.
"For more than 30 years U.S. judges(freemason) have given custody or unsupervised
visitation of children to abusers and molesters putting the children
directly at risk," says Dianne Post, an international attorney who authored
the petition. "These horrendous human rights violations have been brought
to the attention of family court systems, and state and federal
governments, to no avail. We turn now to international courts to protect
the rights and safety of US children."

JBoy
12-25-2010, 03:36 PM
Seattle Brothers force Scouts to reveal scope of abuse
Local News | Brothers force Scouts to reveal scope of abuse | Seattle Times Newspaper (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2003849260&zsection_id=2002111777&slug=boyscouts23m&date=20070823)
Brothers force Scouts to reveal scope of abuse
By Jonathan Martin
Seattle Times staff reporter

Like many other boys who grew up in the Pacific Northwest in the early 1980s, Tom and Matt Stewart shared a rugged childhood of hikes, campouts and fishing trips, most of it thanks to the Boy Scouts of America. It was a program that kept the brothers involved in their Federal Way troop all the way to Eagle Scout. Years later, Tom became a Scoutmaster for his own sons.

But as they became adults and moved a thousand miles apart, each privately struggled with memories of Scouting that neither wanted to talk about: the sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of their Scoutmaster, Bruce Phelps. Matt Stewart would grow queasy at the sight of young Scouts in uniform. Tom Stewart suffered nightmares of fighting off Phelps' advances. Finally, after decades of silence, the Stewart brothers grew convinced they weren't alone. In 2003, they sued the Boy Scouts and their former Scoutmaster and won an out-of-court settlement.

Four years later, the case has become a landmark in the 97-year history of the Boy Scouts, and the brothers spokesmen for a much larger issue. For the first time, the Boy Scouts of America has been forced to turn over, to the Stewarts' attorneys, its entire archive on sexually abusive Scout leaders. The previously private records show the Boy Scouts have ejected at least 5,100 adult leaders nationwide for sexual abuse allegations since 1946
The abuse, including oral and anal sex, persisted all the way through high school, the brothers say: at Scout outings and camps, at a drive-in movie theater, at Phelps' house in West Seattle, and even in the Stewarts' own basement while their parents were upstairs. Their parents let them spend entire weekends at Phelps' house on the pretext of working on merit badges, even after Phelps had grown up and moved to West Seattle, where he led another Scout troop. "He would say, 'OK, that knot looks fine; you got your merit badge — now let's have sex,' " said Matt.
I do however have a ludicrous list of people in daycares, youth organizations & churches being brought to justice. Masonic doctors, lawyers, cops & judges are steady makin' news as pedophiles.

Satanism is "Do what thou wilst". One perversion after another, seeing as there's absolutely no gratitude for the gifts of life in so many forms. "Do what thou wilst" means go ahead and cannabalize children. Capitalistic war-mongers are defiling the VERY SUSTENANCE of life.
Some think the released documents on Boy Scouts is boring, but that set of papers is but a drop of the overall flood of "Do what thou whilst" perpetrators.
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Cops etc Florida Federal Prosecutor, girls baseball/basketball coach, father of four - Roy Atichison (53) sex sting girl 5 - wife teacher of the year
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/us/29florida.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Town Is Shaken After Prosecutor’s Arrest in a Child-Sex Sting
By ABBY GOODNOUGH
Mr. Atchison, 53, was arrested getting off a plane in Detroit on Sept. 16 and charged with the unthinkable. The authorities there said he was carrying a doll and petroleum jelly, and that he had arranged with an undercover agent to have sex with a 5-year-old girl

Baphomet kabalistically sets forth the aims of the Illuminati. The word is an acronym for the title "Templi Omnium Hominem Pacis Abbas", or "Father of the Temple of Universal Peace", reversed. Thus "Tem O.H.P. Ab" becomes bAPHOmeT.
Marquis de Libeaux = Pindar

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Toronto Norman Blain (45) School Social Worker, Big Brother, Boy Scout leader
http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2008/01/16/4775750-sun.html
Peel school social worker
by Jonathan Jenkens

He's been a social worker, a Big Brother, a scout leader -- and now he's accused in an international child porn investigation.
But one thing Norman Blain isn't is chatty. "I have no comment for the press," Blain said yesterday from his Brampton residence, where he's been on home assignment from his Peel District School Board job since getting bail Jan. 11. "He continues to be paid pending the outcome of the investigation," board spokesman Brian Woodland said of the long-time school social worker

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Cops doctors lawyers etc Illinois Cop Shane Lisenbee (32) & wife, child rape arrests
STLtoday.com - Printer friendly - (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/Popup?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=4963866F9186A080862573D4000FDBD7)
Beardstown police officer and wife face sex charges
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Friday, Jan. 18 2008

VIRGINIA, Ill. — A six-year veteran of the Beardstown, Ill., Police Department and his wife face multiple charges alleging predatory criminal sexual assault on a child. Shane A. Lisenbee was charged Wednesday in Cass County Circuit Court with four counts of predatory criminal sexual assault on a child. His wife, Stephanie, was also arrested at the Cass County Courthouse on a warrant alleging two counts of predatory criminal sexual assault on a child. The charges allege Shane Lisenbee, 32, committed sexual acts, including sexual intercourse, with a girl and committed a sexual act with a boy, both of whom were younger than age 13. Stephanie Lisenbee is accused of having sexual intercourse with the boy. Beardstown is about 113 miles north of St. Louis.

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Syracuse Boy Scout leader Charles Seamans (46) facing 25 yrs prison
Syracuse & Central NY Local News – syracuse.com (http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1200736794266630.xml&coll=1)
Suspect in Scout abuse: a mystery
Saturday, January 19, 2008
By John Stith

Former Boy Scouts leader Charles H. Seamans sat in a corner of Throop Town Court on Thursday, wearing an orange jump suit, his hands in cuffs attached to a chain at his waist, legs in shackles. "Sorry I can't give you a better handshake," he said, greeting a reporter. He was alone and, as he admitted later to the judge presiding at his preliminary hearing, scared. Cayuga County sheriff's investigators have charged Seamans, 46, with two counts of first-degree sexual abuse and two counts of second-degree sexual abuse. If convicted of first-degree abuse, Seamans faces as much as seven years in state prison. Seneca County investigators have charged him with first-degree criminal sexual act, a crime which carries a possible sentence of 25 years in prison. He was arrested Jan. 12 and is being held on $15,000 cash bail or $30,000 bond.

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KSigMason
12-26-2010, 06:47 AM
If you have any proof that someone is a Mason, please post their home Lodge and their dates of initiation. I charge you to do it or shut up. You post long tiresome, bull shit stories that make no sense, don't tie into each other, and then you connect dots that are not there.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 06:54 AM
FUC* U


i will continue.. truth hurts.. ouch !!!

JBoy
12-26-2010, 06:55 AM
dont have to post but what i want.. thank god for freedom !!!!!

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 07:10 AM
FUC* U


i will continue.. truth hurts.. ouch !!!
How eloquent. What you speak isn't truth, its baseless lies and allegations.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:42 AM
Once again, we see the instance where Freemasonry is loved by all the wrong people: Witches, Satanists, Illuminists, demonically possessed New Age authors, and demonically possessed leaders of other secret societies. Since "Birds of a Feather Flock Together", this fact is one very important and concrete evidence that Freemasonry is just as Satanic as these other organizations admit openly they are!

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:46 AM
If you have any proof that someone is a Mason, please post their home Lodge and their dates of initiation. I charge you to do it or shut up. You post long tiresome, bull shit stories that make no sense, don't tie into each other, and then you connect dots that are not there.


NEVER.. baby mason.... always post true facts.. boy scot mason pedophiles.. police pedophiles...humm !!!.

Exposing is my job.. truth hurts u so bad, get the fuc* out of it !!

U "charge " me..what the hell is that about. u can not spell !!! or a dumb being, which

U talk as if u have some kind of "phantom" control over another being.. thats not a well mind

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:52 AM
FBI agents arrested or sued in civil court for Pedophilia:
Edward Rodgers former head of FBI Child Abuse Program
http://www.headwatersproductions.com.../article4.html
John Conditt former head of FBI internal affairs investigations.
FreeSpeech.com (http://www.freespeech.com/archives/002000.html)

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:07 AM
Once again, we see the instance where Freemasonry is loved by all the wrong people: Witches, Satanists, Illuminists, demonically possessed New Age authors, and demonically possessed leaders of other secret societies. Since "Birds of a Feather Flock Together", this fact is one very important and concrete evidence that Freemasonry is just as Satanic as these other organizations admit openly they are!
What the hell? You post a conclusion without any statements to back it up? That's illogical. In this post you haven't posted any evidence or made any reference to evidence. You went right for a conclusion. You can't connect the dots without putting some dots down.

We've never admitted to being Satanic. We've done the opposite to say we are not a religion or do we seek to destroy religion. Your intolerance is disgusting and you should be ashamed for spitting hate everywhere.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 12:09 PM
Jabulon, sir, is a very strange god. He is supposed to be the leader of the Chitauli. He is a god, to my great surprise, which I find certain groups of White people, especially, worshipping. We have known about Jabulon for many, many centuries, we Black people. But I am surprised that there are White people who worship this god, and these people, amongst them are people whom many have blamed for all the things that have happened on this Earth, namely, the Freemason people. We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the Chitauli. He is the Old One. And one of his names, in the African language, sir, is Umbaba-Samahongo-'the lord king, the great father of the terrible eyes'-because we believe that Jabulon has got one eye which, if he opens it, you die if he looks at you.
It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun.
He is the chief of the Chitauli. And, like Satan, he lives in a house underground where great fires are always lighted, to keep him warm. Because, we are told, that after the great war they fought with God, they became cold in their blood and they cannot stand freezing weather, which is why they require human blood, and also they require fire always to be kept working where they are. [Interview] CREDO MUTWA On Alien Abduction & Reptilians

"In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the Great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON......BUL = Baal, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'. .....Baal, of course, was the 'false god' with whom Jahweh competed for the allegiance of the Israelites in the Old Testament. But more recently, within a hundred years of the creation of the Freemason's God, the sixteenth-century demonologist John Weir identified Baal as a devil. This grotesque manifestation of evil had the body of a spider and three heads - those of a man, a toad and a cat. A description of Baal to be found in de Plancy's Dictionary of Witchcraft is particularly apposite when considered in the light of the secretive and deceptive nature of Freemasonry: his voice was raucous, and he taught his followers guile, cunning and the ability to become invisible

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 07:09 PM
Jabulon, sir, is a very strange god. He is supposed to be the leader of the Chitauli. He is a god, to my great surprise, which I find certain groups of White people, especially, worshipping. We have known about Jabulon for many, many centuries, we Black people. But I am surprised that there are White people who worship this god, and these people, amongst them are people whom many have blamed for all the things that have happened on this Earth, namely, the Freemason people. We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the Chitauli. He is the Old One. And one of his names, in the African language, sir, is Umbaba-Samahongo-'the lord king, the great father of the terrible eyes'-because we believe that Jabulon has got one eye which, if he opens it, you die if he looks at you.
It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun.
He is the chief of the Chitauli. And, like Satan, he lives in a house underground where great fires are always lighted, to keep him warm. Because, we are told, that after the great war they fought with God, they became cold in their blood and they cannot stand freezing weather, which is why they require human blood, and also they require fire always to be kept working where they are. [Interview] CREDO MUTWA On Alien Abduction & Reptilians

"In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the Great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON......BUL = Baal, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'. .....Baal, of course, was the 'false god' with whom Jahweh competed for the allegiance of the Israelites in the Old Testament. But more recently, within a hundred years of the creation of the Freemason's God, the sixteenth-century demonologist John Weir identified Baal as a devil. This grotesque manifestation of evil had the body of a spider and three heads - those of a man, a toad and a cat. A description of Baal to be found in de Plancy's Dictionary of Witchcraft is particularly apposite when considered in the light of the secretive and deceptive nature of Freemasonry: his voice was raucous, and he taught his followers guile, cunning and the ability to become invisible

When I made fun of you in the other thread about reptilian aliens I was only kidding. It's even funnier now that I seem to be right. Wow.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 07:53 PM
cry baby no 2..

WHO IS JABAULON ??


Is this U GOD.. yes or no.. If u say no, u could be in trouble

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 08:18 PM
cry baby no 2..

WHO IS JABAULON ??


Is this U GOD.. yes or no.. If u say no, u could be in trouble

You can call me a cry baby all you like. At the end of the day, you're the one making posts about reptilian alien conspiracies. That about sums up this thread, and every other post you made in regards to Freemasonry.

Reptilian alien overlords. Really?

To answer your question, the God I believe can take on any appearance he chooses. He is, after all, God. Probably one of the perks that comes with being The Boss.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 08:21 PM
You can call me a cry baby all you like. At the end of the day, you're the one making posts about reptilian alien conspiracies. That about sums up this thread, and every other post you made in regards to Freemasonry.

Reptilian alien overlords. Really?

To answer your question, the God I believe can take on any appearance he chooses. He is, after all, God. Probably one of the perks that comes with being The Boss.

Kindly quote wherein the poster you have responded to has made posts about reptilian alien conspiracies.

If you cannot, you will be banned for false accusations.

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 08:25 PM
I quoted it a few posts ago on this thread. If you missed the giant wall of text and the statement about alien abductions and reptilians, I'll read the FAQ and try to quote just that part of it.

Let me know if you need help finding it, friend.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 08:29 PM
I quoted it a few posts ago on this thread. If you missed the giant wall of text and the statement about alien abductions and reptilians, I'll read the FAQ and try to quote just that part of it.

Let me know if you need help finding it, friend.

You need to find it or I will ban you NOW, friend.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 08:30 PM
The clock is ticking.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:33 PM
The masons are the ones that dreamed up the reptilians...
U have been confused all ur life... has prozac made u paranoid ???
i posted a rticle about the african from Zaire that was quoted as saying JABAULON was there god way before u freek masons got ahold of it !!!
he was interviewed from a alinn article.

lets get back to JaBoulin..
who is , i mena what is it ??? can it crawl and smoke

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:35 PM
You can call me a cry baby all you like. At the end of the day, you're the one making posts about reptilian alien conspiracies. That about sums up this thread, and every other post you made in regards to Freemasonry.

Reptilian alien overlords. Really?

To answer your question, the God I believe can take on any appearance he chooses. He is, after all, God. Probably one of the perks that comes with being The Boss.


WHAT IS A ALIEN OVERLORD ???

JBoy
12-26-2010, 08:43 PM
Now wait a min. freak, u just said u believe in JESUS. is that a lie and now u reniged and saying GOD ????? U are a evil dud.. U know ur boss, the Illuminati call ones like u, gutter garbage. a malfuntion. so help me god !!!
u are the bottom of there shelf !!!


who is JABAULON???

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 08:57 PM
You need to find NOW or I will ban you NOW, friend.

The clock is ticking.

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 09:00 PM
Now wait a min. freak, u just said u believe in JESUS. is that a lie and now u reniged and saying GOD ????? U are a evil dud.. U know ur boss, the Illuminati call ones like u, gutter garbage. a malfuntion. so help me god !!!
u are the bottom of there shelf !!!


who is JABAULON???

I couldn't begin to tell you who, or what, Jabaulon is, any more than I can tell you about Nordic Gods and Mythology or Islam. Not something I personally believe in, but to each their own. I believe in, what's frequently considered, the Judeo-Christian concept of God. The Bible. His Son Jesus Christ.

You should check out this crazy powerful being known as Santa Claus. He sneaks down people's chimney's every winter...manages to make it around the world and into every hours in one night. It's quite amazing. Then there's The Tooth Fairy...manages to know when any child, anywhere, loses a tooth, and then deposits some money under their pillow.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 09:14 PM
It likes u. its name is BAAL.. U are its whore, it says

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 09:15 PM
You need to find NOW or I will ban you NOW, friend.

Excuse me, Brice.

But you have not supplied that which I have requested.

Either do so now, or be banned.

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 09:22 PM
It likes u. its name is BAAL.. U are its whore

Blueangel, Jboy made a false accusation that I am a whore. I have made no claims that I have ever had sexual intercourse in exchange for money or other goods and services. :-)

JBoy
12-26-2010, 09:24 PM
I have not ever said anything about aliens.. perhaps in a article. but i dont recall posting.. he is nuts. i tell u.. a cry baby who wants to battle..
brice peaks about 000000000 . non productive moron

JBoy
12-26-2010, 09:29 PM
u r are a nut job. IT said u are its whore. .. what u drinking ???

Look at it

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Excuse me, Brice.

But you have not supplied that which I have requested.

Either do so now, or be banned.

While you are at it, supply the post wherein JBOY claimes you are a whore.

Both of you are about to be banned.

JBoy
12-26-2010, 09:31 PM
I bet u like the frog....

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 09:32 PM
It likes u. its name is BAAL.. U are its whore

Since you missed it the first time, he makes the statement "U are its whore" accusing me of being a whore

JBoy
12-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Since you missed it the first time, he makes the statement "U are its whore" accusing me of being a whore


ACCORDING TO BAAL, ALL THAT WORSHIP HIM IS A WHORE TO HIS NAME.
HAVENT U EVER HEARD THE WHORE THAT RODE THE BEAST. ITS a figure of speech u idiot !!!!

damn u are a moron, pure 100% no ifs or buts 100% nut

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 09:40 PM
u r are a nut job. IT said u are its whore. .. what u drinking ???

Look at it

So you are speaking for this mysterious "IT" now? Or how did "IT" find "ITself" posting on this forum from your username?

brice_fallsteen
12-26-2010, 09:45 PM
ACCORDING TO BAAL, ALL THAT WORSHIP HIM IS A WHORE TO HIS NAME.
HAVENT U EVER HEARD THE WHORE THAT RODE THE BEAST. ITS a figure of speech u idiot !!!!

damn u are a moron, pure 100% no ifs or buts 100% nut

So now, secondary to making the false accusation that I am a whore, you are making a false accusation that I worship some mythical creature?

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:00 PM
You realize there are Black Freemasons right? Its all coming together, you have toxic victimhood chip on your shoulder, your dad was abusive, and so on. Your mind is broken. You are paranoid and hatred has replaced love in your heart. I feel sorry for you.

Freemasons don't have a God. Every individual Brother is allowed to worship in his own way. Every true member knows that and follows that.

WHO IS JABAULON ??


Is this U GOD.. yes or no.. If u say no, u could be in trouble
No, that is not my God, but alas, who my God is is none of your business. I don't need to rely on others to define my relationship like some seem to do.

It likes u. its name is BAAL.. U are its whore, it says
How ironic that he was able to edit his post after you made this post BA

While you are at it, supply the post wherein JBOY claimes you are a whore.

Both of you are about to be banned.
He is saying we worship him and that we are whores for it.

ACCORDING TO BAAL, ALL THAT WORSHIP HIM IS A WHORE TO HIS NAME.
HAVENT U EVER HEARD THE WHORE THAT RODE THE BEAST. ITS a figure of speech u idiot !!!!

damn u are a moron, pure 100% no ifs or buts 100% nut
Says here too. Nice selective moderating. Conspiracy I say!!

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 11:08 PM
Really, K?

Jboy edited his post wherein Brice claimed that he accused him of being a whore.

Please provide evidence.

Dangermouse
12-26-2010, 11:09 PM
Yeah it's safe to assume Jboy won't catch a ban anytime soon. He spews hate speech and makes false accusations against Masonry. Of course he'll stick around. :)

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:17 PM
Really, K?

Jboy edited his post wherein Brice claimed that he accused him of being a whore.

Please provide evidence.
His post was edited after you posted yours in which you claimed he would be banned if he could show the post and the said post was then edited.

Yeah, JBoy can claim all sorts of looney things, but he will never get banned. Only those opposing their narrow minded views will get them banned. I was banned for the sake of being banned. I didn't care as I was in transit between the States and oveseas, but it speaks to the character of the moderators here. They allow little trolls to post lies, they get involved in the post, and then with a conflicted interest still think they can moderate clearly. JBoy is a broken mind with hate in his heart and on his tongue.,

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 11:20 PM
His post was edited after you posted yours in which you claimed he would be banned if he could show the post and the said post was then edited.

Yeah, JBoy can claim all sorts of looney things, but he will never get banned. Only those opposing their narrow minded views will get them banned. I was banned for the sake of being banned. I didn't care as I was in transit between the States and oveseas, but it speaks to the character of the moderators here. They allow little trolls to post lies, they get involved in the post, and then with a conflicted interest still think they can moderate clearly. JBoy is a broken mind with hate in his heart and on his tongue.,

Excuse me, K, but your post doesn't make any sense.

Whose post was edited after I posted mine in which you say that I claimed HE would be banned if HE could show the post and the said post was then edited.

What the hell are you talking about?

I ALWAYS quote the member to whom I am commenting, so the original post that you say was edited would be contained in my response.

Please provide evidence that JBoy edited his post.

Dangermouse
12-26-2010, 11:29 PM
Just so I'm clear, when bashing anyone with an opposing viewpoint and makin a false accusation. If you go back and edit the thread you don't get banned? Or is it just ban worthy when it is counter to what the mod chooses to believe.

KSigMason
12-26-2010, 11:32 PM
While you are at it, supply the post wherein JBOY claimes you are a whore.

Both of you are about to be banned.
This is the post. You do have a short memory.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 11:45 PM
This is the post. You do have a short memory.

I did not ask you to supply a comment from me.

I asked you to supply evidence that Jboy edited his post as you claimed that he did.

You have not done so.

It is not I who has a short memory.

It is you and you are one comment short of being banned permanently.

Dangermouse
12-26-2010, 11:45 PM
Blueangel, Jboy made a false accusation that I am a whore. I have made no claims that I have ever had sexual intercourse in exchange for money or other goods and services. :-)

Appears to be the initial complaint against false accusations.

Dangermouse
12-26-2010, 11:48 PM
It likes u. its name is BAAL.. U are its whore, it says

Here is jboys edited post with a time stamp 11 minutes after the complaint and threaten to ban them both.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 11:48 PM
Appears to be the initial complaint against false accusations.

Simple as this.

Provide the evidence wherein Jboy makes this accusation.

BlueAngel
12-26-2010, 11:55 PM
Here is jboys edited post with a time stamp 11 minutes after the complaint and threaten to ban them both.

The comment is implied and not direct.

Dangermouse
12-26-2010, 11:55 PM
Simple as this.

Post number 213: Time stamp 10:14 Jboy made an accusation that the other person was a whore.

Post number 215: Time stamp 10:22 Other person quoted the original message. It contained the statment "U are its whore" Said person asked for moderator action

Post number 218: Time stamp 10:29 BlueAngel post threatening to ban both.

Post number 213: Original time stamp 10:14, edited time stamp 10:33. Original statement was changed from saying "U are its whore" to "U are its whore, it says"

Which begs the question, is it alright to for some to make false accusations and not others?

BlueAngel
12-27-2010, 12:03 AM
Simple as this.

Post number 213: Time stamp 10:14 Jboy made an accusation that the other person was a whore.

Post number 215: Time stamp 10:22 Other person quoted the original message. It contained the statment "U are its whore" Said person asked for moderator action

Post number 218: Time stamp 10:29 BlueAngel post threatening to ban both.

Post number 213: Original time stamp 10:14, edited time stamp 10:33. Original statement was changed from saying "U are its whore" to "U are its whore, it says"

Which begs the question, is it alright to for some to make false accusations and not others?

I don't care about your time stamps.

Like I said.

Show me where Jboy directly called said member a "WHORE."

That is what I NEED to see in writing.

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 12:08 AM
Post number 215. The original message is quoted containing the statement "U are it's whore"

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 12:09 AM
I did not ask you to supply a comment from me.

I asked you to supply evidence that Jboy edited his post as you claimed that he did.

You have not done so.

It is not I who has a short memory.

It is you and you are one comment short of being banned permanently.

You asked for evidence to show that the post was edited. That's what was supplied. With the post numbers, original time stamps, and edited time stamps.

BlueAngel
12-27-2010, 12:28 AM
You asked for evidence to show that the post was edited. That's what was supplied. With the post numbers, original time stamps, and edited time stamps.

Providing your written words about a time stamp here, there and everywhere does not prove anything.

Provide Jboy's original post which shows at the bottom that it was edited.

If you can't do that then I suggest you refrain from speaking about this subject any further and move on.

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 12:33 AM
Providing your written words about a time stamp here, there and everywhere does not prove anything.

Provide Jboy's original post which shows at the bottom that it was edited.

If you can't do that then I suggest you refrain from speaking about this subject any further and move on.

As a supermoderator, I assumed you knew that a quoted message does not list the original time stamp, post number edited information, or edited time stamp, etc.. It is not possible to recreate his post showing where it is edited. It is however quite possible to look back to post 213 and see that it is edited.

BlueAngel
12-27-2010, 01:14 AM
As a supermoderator, I assumed you knew that a quoted message does not list the original time stamp, post number edited information, or edited time stamp, etc.. It is not possible to recreate his post showing where it is edited. It is however quite possible to look back to post 213 and see that it is edited.

As a supermoderator, I know all.

:rolleyes:

Please, spare me the excuses.

I asked you to supply Jboy's original post.

ORIGINAL POST.

GET it?

ORIGINAL POST TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN GOING ON AND ON ABOUT FOR HOURS.

For some reason you are unable to do that.

It ain't impossible, pal.

Go back and search the thread.

Find it or be quiet about it.

Supply the comment to which you reference or cease and desist from speaking about it or I will have to ban you.

Capice?

KSigMason
12-27-2010, 02:57 AM
The comment is implied and not direct.
So slanderous implications are okay now?


I don't care about your time stamps.

Like I said.

Show me where Jboy directly called said member a "WHORE."

That is what I NEED to see in writing.
What part of "he edited his post" don't you get? You are thick. This site is a joke, you're a joke of a moderator and human being, JBoy is a punk that needs put in his place, and this site needs torn down - not because its a conspiracy website, but because its a cesspool of one sided neurotic and paranoid ideas. Opposition comes in and you ban them for no reason other than you can. BAN ME! I DARE YOU! YOU'LL NEVER GET RID OF ME! I'LL ALWAYS BE AROUND!

JBoy
12-27-2010, 05:26 AM
mason cry baby... u are a disgrace to the human race.
u make me vomit.
lots more to come
TRUE EVIL MASONIC FACTS

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
As a supermoderator, I know all.

:rolleyes:

Please, spare me the excuses.

I asked you to supply Jboy's original post.

ORIGINAL POST.

GET it?

ORIGINAL POST TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN GOING ON AND ON ABOUT FOR HOURS.

For some reason you are unable to do that.

It ain't impossible, pal.

Go back and search the thread.

Find it or be quiet about it.

Supply the comment to which you reference or cease and desist from speaking about it or I will have to ban you.

Capice?


I did find it, and gave you the post number and time stamp. I can't help that you aren't intelligent enough to use that information, view the post, and take appropriate action.

It's very revealing of your intellectual ability and maturity as a moderator. No wonder you didn't get a thank you or a pat on the back for your "service."

JBoy
12-27-2010, 06:11 AM
how about this..
ALL MASONS ARE WHORES !!!!!!

Go sleep with ur lover

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 06:13 AM
how about this..
ALL MASONS ARE WHORES !!!!!!

Go sleep with ur lover

Here's another false accusation. Maybe you'll be able to find it, BlueAngel.

KSigMason
12-27-2010, 06:14 AM
mason cry baby... u are a disgrace to the human race.
u make me vomit.
lots more to come
TRUE EVIL MASONIC FACTS
So far you've posted nothing but random crap. Go back to the shrink to take care of your daddy issues.

Dangermouse
12-27-2010, 06:21 AM
As a supermoderator, I know all. Just look at my abilities to kill threads, derail topics, start drama, and ban any one with a dissenting opinion.

:rolleyes:

Please, spare me the evidence.

I asked you to supply Jboy's original post.

ORIGINAL POST.

GET it? I'm unable to function like an adult on the website, so giving me a post number and expecting me to look it up is out of the question. GET it? This is also evident by my poor use of the CAPS LOCK key. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. GET it? I'm challenged. GET it? Capice?

ORIGINAL POST TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN GOING ON AND ON ABOUT FOR HOURS, BUT I AM UNABLE TO FIND VIA THE POST NUMBER. I NEED HELP WITH THE THREAD NAVIGATION KEYS, AND SOMEONE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE POST NUMBERS ARE LOCATED.

For some reason you gave me all the information but I am unable to process it.

It ain't impossible, pal, but it is for me.

Go back and search the thread, because I, as a Moderator, am unable to do my job.

Find it or be quiet about it, this stress is too much for me and I fear a breakdown is in order.

Supply the comment to which you reference or cease and desist from speaking about it or I will have to ban you.

Capice?

Yes, I get it. Capice. Have a great day, friend.

JBoy
12-27-2010, 06:24 AM
I said all masons are whores, what u gonna do ??
CRMINALS....THUGS.....EVIL......NO GOOD...
get it, cry baby ???

I ASKED U WHO IS JABOULON..??????????
brice is not a mason. HE IS A CHRISTIAN. I SLIP OF THE TONGUE..

NOW LETS HEAR U SAY,
DO U BELIEVE, ALBERT PIKE ??
lets get down

who is this thing the evil masons created.
u are a expert in mason ology, correct??

WHO IS YOUR BLACK GOD, U COPIED, JABOULON ??

my little girl wanted to know why the horns on this