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Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:46 PM
We have got to stop this cat and mouse game, luv!

http://tomecat.com/madtimes/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/cat070518.jpg

BeenThereDoneThat
10-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Back to the thread Christians VS The World.
Christianity is a second rate religion like the bike Huffy is to quality BMX racing. I say this because its members would rather judge others and violate the practice of 'Judge ye not' than to STFU and walk thier own trail. Most are jealouse of those that choose a different path.Never should one be judged simply because he is not a Christian. Words like satanist cut deep.. It is never as they preach it, all comfy and cozy, you have to give your soul to Christ. . The bleeding hearts want blood, and will kill everyone to achieve peace. They usually find it in the graveThese are the true vampires, Christians.
Sorry to hear the Mutant Teenage Turtle was banned, hope he is back soon.I love to here that boy blow his horn. What is up with the ban anyway, did I miss a conspiracy? The turtle hurt no body, that I know of!

justgroovy
10-18-2008, 03:30 PM
Hey there BTDT =)

Leonardo was a being a bad MNT and kept embedding music players in his posts that were blaring Iron Maiden. While I personally have nothing against heavy metal in general, nor Iron Maiden in particular, it was rather annoying to have the music just start playing as soon as you accessed a page he had embedded it on.

I did ask rather nicely (several times in fact) for him to find a music player that gave people the choice to hit play or not, but he just kept embedding the songs everywhere.

So our dear Leonardo is taking a short, forced vacation for a little while. He'll be back I'm sure, and hopefully he'll have found a more community friendly embeddable player by then.

BlueAngel
10-18-2008, 08:04 PM
First it's the sweetner you use that throws us for a loop.

Then you lob another at us with that TWITTERED word.

HA, HA!

And now this, a bad MNT.

Okay, I give up.

What is an MNT?

:)

BeenThereDoneThat
10-18-2008, 08:10 PM
I missed Iron Maiden? Dang it, that will teach me to hang loose .
Well Just Groovy, you seem to make the calls when they are needed so...I won't argue.

Now...back to this subject.You all know, as Devils advocate, I have tossed some good points here an there as well as taken the heat. If we are all to have peace, then that which we spew has to conform to the Universal vibration that seeds the world. A faith in God existed before Christ(Jesus). Interpretation of dates , whats to come, and what is to happen is basically my point that we all see it differently. I again do not intend to hurt any one, but will defend the majority, which is a melting pot of many faiths. If Christians want peace, they should tone down the abuse of other faiths. What I been sayin' all along.

Nice to see ya here JG, let me know if I am crossing any lines(no pun intended). Thanks for all you are doing, things Are lookin nice around here. :)

BeenThereDoneThat
10-18-2008, 08:14 PM
Lol. MNT is Mutant Ninja Turtle. Can't believe that slipped by you BA!:cool:

justgroovy
10-18-2008, 08:20 PM
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are all named after famous artists. Michelangelo, Raphael, Donatello and finally, Leonardo =)

And honestly I thought everyone knew about stevia >.< The sugar lobbyists fought long and hard to make sure that stevia producers cannot put the word "sweetener" on it's labels. Stevia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia) is diabetic friendly =)

Ok sorry to have disrupted the flow of this thread!

... and now back to Christians vs. The World, already in progress ...

BlueAngel
10-18-2008, 08:26 PM
Lol. MNT is Mutant Ninja Turtle. Can't believe that slipped by you BA!:cool:

Yeah, damn.

That Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle acronym slipped by me because I didn't realize YOU and others were pretending that Leonardo was one of the teenage mutant ninja turtles.

LOL!

Yep.

That slipped by me.

So unimportant, I suppose it doesn't matter.

BlueAngel
10-18-2008, 08:30 PM
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are all named after famous artists. Michelangelo, Raphael, Donatello and finally, Leonardo =)

And honestly I thought everyone knew about stevia >.< The sugar lobbyists fought long and hard to make sure that stevia producers cannot put the word "sweetener" on it's labels. Stevia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia) is diabetic friendly =)

Ok sorry to have disrupted the flow of this thread!

... and now back to Christians vs. The World, already in progress ...

Definitely know about the teenage Mutant Ninja turtles.

I had two youngs sons who were raised by those turtles.

Just wasn't picking up on the acronym.

I mean, you said he was a bad MNT.

Didn't know he was actually a mutant ninja turtle.

I thought he was human.

Guess I was wrong.

Back to our regularly scheduled PROGRAMMING!

BeenThereDoneThat
10-19-2008, 12:42 AM
Leonardo (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Leonardo_(TMNT)) (Blue) — Leonardo is courageous, decisive, and a devoted student of martial arts. As a strict adherent to Bushido (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Bushido), he has a very strong sense of honor and justice. He wears a blue mask and wields a pair of ninjaken (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Ninjaken). He is named after Leonardo Da Vinci (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Leonardo_Da_Vinci).[5] (http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=52343#cite_note-Origin-4)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles)
Leonardo Da Vinci (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Leonardo_Da_Vinci)
illegitimate son -Bastard
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/L/leonardo.html (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/L/leonardo.html)
The reclusive turtle was named after a Bastard!
You were wondering why I referred to him as a MNT. It is because he has a dedicated talent that leads to having to hide from mainstream society. A hero in his own eyes. All the same Blind by the BLUE bandanna that has been pulled over his eyes. A ninja, but expendable all the same. Snappy. A hard shell…you get the picture.
I was being sarcastic.
He -Leonardo Da Vinci (http://clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Leonardo_Da_Vinci) was the one who painted the LAST SUPPER for all you Jesus freaks that did not know. Peace.:eek:

The Pious One
10-19-2009, 04:06 AM
Aside from the christians i just really don't get how people can buy into religion. I just don't get it at all. I mean even if you were into it and you were a good person, wouldn't it make you sad knowing that everybody (including me) are all going down to a firey inferno of torture for all eternity? Just because they believed something different? And what about Scientology? If you haven't looked into it you really should, quite amazing stuff (look up the RPF in scientology). Or those crazy people who won't let there kids go to the doctor because "GOD" will heal them? and then they die. Not to mention the birth of satanic churches and satan worshipers. Why in the hell would you worship satan? That's like worshiping paper cuts. Oh and by the way, christians are the craziest ones of all...

HAPPY DAY!;)

haha i agree... but the ETERNAL damnation in hell was propaganda to recruit more people to the church by instilling fear but the old testament explains no one experiences more than 11 months in gehenom (hell) which is reasuring lol;)

chickenlittle
07-10-2010, 12:09 PM
All religions are created by man :rolleyes:

Anyway, I reject all Judeo-Christian religions as childish and manipulative rubbish that are contradicted by science. Religions such as Asatru, Buddhism or Vedanta Hinduism are far more advanced and far more in line with both science and the ways of nature.

Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life. We call it Faith because we believe in something we cannot see, but it is there.

Out of the Box
07-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life. We call it Faith because we believe in something we cannot see, but it is there.

Your religion is as plausible and mature as the belief in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. You basically believe that someone else's imaginary friend is more powerful and insightful than yourself. I simply don't get it how any intelligent person can believe in such a thing.

Yes, Christianity may be a way of life as well but it's a way of life based on very primitive superstition.

kerry
07-12-2010, 06:34 PM
can science solve this. if our brain is just a central nervous system
how does it have understanding. and awarenes

kerry
07-17-2010, 11:31 AM
why dont you just call orgo to a church and ask a priest or a bishop what a christain is
you dont expect a valid answer from the net do you?

kerry
07-17-2010, 03:54 PM
Islamic rule of tyranny (http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/pre-wwOne/Bosnia-tyrannized.html)

a history of muslam opressed christains

Pope Urban II called for the First Crusade at the Council of Clermont in 1095 in response to a call for aid from the Byzantine Emperor Alexus I to halt both the harassment and murder of Christians and the destruction of Christian holy places and churches
Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)

i wont white wash it like people are doing today. they been making trubble from wayy baack. they even admited on the news a while back that its ok to lie to americans. so dont hand me the BS i seen in this thread.
here is history fact that islam the so calld religion of peace is the big lie.

misinformedia
07-19-2010, 02:57 PM
its easy to blame religions for wars, but the issue is not the religion or the followers, but the leaders of most religions that mis lead....thats the problem

kerry
07-24-2010, 07:46 AM
haha i agree... but the ETERNAL damnation in hell was propaganda to recruit more people to the church by instilling fear but the old testament explains no one experiences more than 11 months in gehenom (hell) which is reasuring lol;)

show me where in the bible it says this

no one experiences more then 11 months in gehenom (hell)

misinformedia
07-24-2010, 08:36 AM
kerry, your signiture, 11 months in hell whats that about

kerry
07-27-2010, 08:21 PM
its not a signiture.. i put that there. show me where in the bible it says that

followeroftheway
08-02-2010, 04:10 AM
can science solve this. if our brain is just a central nervous system
how does it have understanding. and awarenes

First of all I would like to say that I do not believe in religion as it creates separatism among our fellow human beings. I do believe in a creator and in the holy scriptures which have been hijacked by these religions.

Anyway you ask can science solve this. I believe it is starting to as knowledge is currently expanding faster than it ever has in the past. I think there are two questions you have to ask yourself. Has the universe and everything we see around us including ourselves been created from several starting points or has it evolved starting from chemical reactions?

Here is a video about scientist opinions based on past and present discoveries. You can now make your own decision based on science if you wish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDROzHNpjmQ

followeroftheway
08-02-2010, 04:15 AM
And here is another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Z44Hp0Eec

kerry
08-27-2010, 07:47 PM
First of all I would like to say that I do not believe in religion as it creates separatism among our fellow human beings. I do believe in a creator and in the holy scriptures which have been hijacked by these religions.

Anyway you ask can science solve this. I believe it is starting to as knowledge is currently expanding faster than it ever has in the past. I think there are two questions you have to ask yourself. Has the universe and everything we see around us including ourselves been created from several starting points or has it evolved starting from chemical reactions?

Here is a video posted on Google about scientist opinions based on past and present discoveries. You can now make your own decision based on science if you wish:

Privileged Planet (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6308516608498324470)#


starting points
1 or 2 or many.. what was first. what was the first thing that existed. somthing had to be first. first from what.. nuthing?.
if theres nuthing theres no matter no universe nuthing.. in order for things to evolve somthing had to be first. so how can somthing start from nuthing. this includes that big bang thing. all life. all things.. of anything that exist. had a begining.

nottobe
08-27-2010, 09:45 PM
First of all I would like to say that I do not believe in religion as it creates separatism among our fellow human beings. I do believe in a creator and in the holy scriptures which have been hijacked by these religions.

There is probably going to be opposing groups to all kinds of stuff.

Anyway you ask can science solve this. I believe it is starting to as knowledge is currently expanding faster than it ever has in the past. I think there are two questions you have to ask yourself. Has the universe and everything we see around us including ourselves been created from several starting points or has it evolved starting from chemical reactions?

Life currently looks like it's therein of a number of different possibilities
to do with whence it came and how it is to be.

Here is a video posted on Google about scientist opinions based on past and present discoveries. You can now make your own decision based on science if you wish:

Privileged Planet (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6308516608498324470)#

In the event that current life is from "man-made" origins then once it is
all unravelled it will look like "how it all be".

Where it is all directed at could be more to the point.

It's all directed at ourselves.

nottobe
08-27-2010, 09:51 PM
starting points
1 or 2 or many.. what was first. what was the first thing that existed. somthing had to be first. first from what.. nuthing?.
if theres nuthing theres no matter no universe nuthing.. in order for things to evolve somthing had to be first. so how can somthing start from nuthing. this includes that big bang thing. all life. all things.. of anything that exist. had a begining.

What's the beginning of everything got to do with anything?

Are you still in the womb where you began? If what's there behind that womb
is contrairy to you being, where are you going to herald it to your living on?

Looks like everything would have a beginning. There isn't anything that stays
at the beginning.

Is there no what comes of everything since the beginning?

nottobe
08-27-2010, 10:08 PM
Aside from the christians i just really don't get how people can buy into religion. I just don't get it at all. I mean even if you were into it and you were a good person, wouldn't it make you sad knowing that everybody (including me) are all going down to a firey inferno of torture for all eternity? Just because they believed something different? And what about Scientology? If you haven't looked into it you really should, quite amazing stuff (look up the RPF in scientology). Or those crazy people who won't let there kids go to the doctor because "GOD" will heal them? and then they die. Not to mention the birth of satanic churches and satan worshipers. Why in the hell would you worship satan? That's like worshiping paper cuts. Oh and by the way, christians are the craziest ones of all...

HAPPY DAY!;)

There isn't anything that's for everyone. Differing ways could very well always
be between factions. Even within factions of the same way makes for a
revolution amongst themselves. Go figure.

BlueAngel
08-27-2010, 10:18 PM
We have no clue how any of this came to be.

We have theories and having theories implies that we don't know the truth.

Until such time as one of these theories can be proven as truth, all we have are theories.

We don't know how WE, humans, came to be.

We have theories and having theories implies that we don't know the truth.

Until such time as one of these theories can be proven as truth, all we have are theories.

We don't know what happens to us when we die.

We have theories and having theories implies that we don't know the truth.

Until such time as one of these theories can be proven as truth, all we have are theories.

So, the moral of the story is this.

We are here and then we are there and in between that time love your fellow man and be the best that you can.

That makes it so much easier while living this life of mystery.

nottobe
08-27-2010, 10:20 PM
not true, But I am a Christian only because I grew up as one. My mom makes me go 2 church but I find it quite boring. It does not intrest me at all, yet I still am a Chrisitian.

Weird.

First of all you say "not true" as far as Christians being the craziest of all....
What's gone on in the past of Christian religion is loosely applied to them.

Secondly referring to yourself as a Christian appears to be only in the way of
being your automatic response to what religion are you affiliated with.

nottobe
08-27-2010, 11:13 PM
Christianity has a good backing scientifically. You bring up Scientology, that is as whacked as Jehovah's witness and Mormonism. Both thought up by a person as their own form a Christianity because they didn't like what was being taught. It was created by a guy named Hubbard in 1952. You can't call it a religion because it was created by man. Check wikipedia Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology) and the definition of religion is "1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion)unless Hubbard was superhuman?

Your vague view of Scientology, Jehovah's Witness and Mormonism seems to
come from having been impressioned upon you from along your way so far.

Wikipedia does not directly refute Scientology. The answer to your question
at the end is in your post. The frame of mind at play here.

All beliefs seem to have truths that are takeable to. There may not be one
in particular that covers everything. To each his/her own.

nottobe
08-27-2010, 11:37 PM
I feel the same way to an extent. Nature...and spiritualism are two different areas. One is of the body and one is of mind. It is not merely contradicted by science, but rather misunderstood by interpretation. I have yet to see any science contradict what I feel, as the feeling of faith is a whole different science than that of understanding what you read. Once you have come to know God, you may have a different opinion...which in itself can not be proven by anyone but you. Man has faith(he creates) for purposes that trump science. Science has yet to prove...or disprove God. At least in my opinion. :)

I don't see a need to distinguish, really. Body and mind are interconnected.

....

Body and mind are interconnected but the mind will reach out further than
the body can. The mind can surpass the body. The mind can also succumb
to the body.

TrailerParkBoy
09-02-2010, 10:44 PM
Title of this seems a little odd. True christianity, as in the teaching of Jesus Christ in the Bible repeatedly states that the belief in God will provide the believer with everything he needs.

Also to show only love for every man/woman/child.
So being "vs." anything seems to me to be only something a latter day "christian institution" (I include all orginised religion as an institution) could do

All the main prophets I am familiar with set out a way of life and living that if followed correctly would leave no place for institutions of any kind government included.

TrailerParkBoy
09-02-2010, 10:48 PM
why dont you just call orgo to a church and ask a priest or a bishop what a christain is
you dont expect a valid answer from the net do you?

I wouldn't expect a valid answer from them either.

what about if a priest or bisop was contacted via internet? would this make answers more/less valid?

TrailerParkBoy
09-02-2010, 11:04 PM
starting points
1 or 2 or many.. what was first. what was the first thing that existed. somthing had to be first. first from what.. nuthing?.
if theres nuthing theres no matter no universe nuthing.. in order for things to evolve somthing had to be first. so how can somthing start from nuthing. this includes that big bang thing. all life. all things.. of anything that exist. had a begining.

I think maybe people confuse the bible with chritianity. only bits i know of regarding creation are long before J.C.'s time and he dosen't cover the subject.
Only the christian institutions claim or claimed to know the secrets of creation. think catholic church were pioneers of many fields of science.

I dont think J.C. would have had a problem with anyones ideas on creation and the way it all works so long as you wern't a dick about it.

Like Richard Dawkins. think he might have called him out.

Seriously though to think and marvel at creation is great but to insist on answers is really to try to gain domonion over it. not gonna happen i dont think. if our conciousness could grasp the wonders of the world then it might not sem so wonderful.

also, so far as current fashionable scientific beliefs go, attempts to measure the age/size/expansion rate of the universe are supposedly approaching an answer. if successful will the priests in white gowns (scientists, doctors proffessers) start trying to discover what lies beyond the measured boundary, and how big and old it is? I know they like to plan ahead so they must do....

horatio13
10-20-2010, 09:23 AM
Christianity has a good backing scientifically. You bring up Scientology, that is as whacked as Jehovah's witness and Mormonism. Both thought up by a person as their own form a Christianity because they didn't like what was being taught. It was created by a guy named Hubbard in 1952. You can't call it a religion because it was created by man. Check wikipedia Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology) and the definition of religion is "1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion)unless Hubbard was superhuman?


Dumbest thing i've heard in a while.

Scientology was indeed created by man, but so was Christianity. Go back to bible school. EACH AND EVERY religion was created by man.

And scientific backing? WTF? There is NO scientific backing for ANYTHING in Christianity. Please try and prove that. Christianity is the opposite of science.