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Cause and Defect
06-25-2008, 06:22 PM
Aside from the christians i just really don't get how people can buy into religion. I just don't get it at all. I mean even if you were into it and you were a good person, wouldn't it make you sad knowing that everybody (including me) are all going down to a firey inferno of torture for all eternity? Just because they believed something different? And what about Scientology? If you haven't looked into it you really should, quite amazing stuff (look up the RPF in scientology). Or those crazy people who won't let there kids go to the doctor because "GOD" will heal them? and then they die. Not to mention the birth of satanic churches and satan worshipers. Why in the hell would you worship satan? That's like worshiping paper cuts. Oh and by the way, christians are the craziest ones of all...

HAPPY DAY!;)

mangaman
07-08-2008, 03:58 PM
not true, But I am a Christian only because I grew up as one. My mom makes me go 2 church but I find it quite boring. It does not intrest me at all, yet I still am a Chrisitian.

Weird.

Phineas
07-09-2008, 11:20 PM
not true, But I am a Christian only because I grew up as one. My mom makes me go 2 church but I find it quite boring. It does not intrest me at all, yet I still am a Chrisitian.

Weird.
So, what IS a Chrisitian anyway?

roof_top_eagle
07-14-2008, 12:48 PM
Christianity has a good backing scientifically. You bring up Scientology, that is as whacked as Jehovah's witness and Mormonism. Both thought up by a person as their own form a Christianity because they didn't like what was being taught. It was created by a guy named Hubbard in 1952. You can't call it a religion because it was created by man. Check wikipedia Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology) and the definition of religion is "1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion)unless Hubbard was superhuman?

Ozziecynic
07-28-2008, 06:50 AM
Aside from the christians i just really don't get how people can buy into religion. I just don't get it at all. I mean even if you were into it and you were a good person, wouldn't it make you sad knowing that everybody (including me) are all going down to a firey inferno of torture for all eternity? Just because they believed something different? And what about Scientology? If you haven't looked into it you really should, quite amazing stuff (look up the RPF in scientology

:confused:Ah but you bought into a religious Occult your logic is circular!. Just some facts for you. Scientology is Occult in essence and has occult origins hubbard knew crowley and other OTO nuts like Parsons(OTO) involved in one the first terrorist attacks on US soil. You can look all this info up its all out there cyber space and bookworld.BTW no one forces you to be christian so why DIS all christians generically for their beliefs live and let live or are you not so tolerant.:confused:

BeenThereDoneThat
07-29-2008, 02:02 AM
Not all Christians are the same. Some are truly passionate, and a few are really super cool. Though I am not Christian, I understand your frustration as a believer in your own faith and/or opinion detached from the general understanding and accepted interpretations of the Bible..
Just remember, that we are all Gods creation. He made all that is good and he made all that is evil. He knows your lot in life and understands that everything has a place in existence. He knows you need assurance in God as well. He is very merciful and is like a Rock!
You can believe in him any way you want.No one can change you if you stay strong and just be you. I am not a Christian, but am a strong believer in God. I am me.

I was once a Christian, but after my own experiences with God and death, I have my own opinion, that I cherish and am proud have.I like to say that through a year and a half of online experience, I have come to see that there are many who believe in many different religions that are worthy of calling my brothers and sisters.Not every Muslim, Jew , or Christian is religious. Some of us are very spiritual, experienced and informed, from many angles of life. Its not a race or game for souls.Its a courtship of love and tender care. I think most of the Christians you speak of are just wanna be's(authorative) , there are many. But many are worthy of God , whether thay were chosen or not, because many(Christians) are the real human in all ways.
I can still have Jewish faith in God as the only one with a similar, but different interpretation than those of the Christians. By their own standard, they have no right to Judge. If they do...just brush it off, because anyone can call them selve saved, even the great darkness.No one has the right to demand your faith in Jesus.If they do, then they are most likely affraid of your own pace and pourpose of existng here on Earth. YOU ARE SPECIAL!
We are only manifest(possitive we are saved by our practice of involvement) at times..I am sure we are all guilty here and there of that. Christian or not..We all are sinners and intolerant overall.
I understand how Christianity can offend other faiths. Demanding or insisting that faith in a messiah that has been predetermined and that is only messiah by definition is what offends most who have a different ring racig through our ears or different beat within our hearts. You do have a right to deny Christ, and feel that Christians do not condemn you(but many will, its a nature of self centeredness). Some of us Believers of God see deeper into things because we have been there.We wish not to push or pull you in any dirrection. we approach you with good will, and as a direct contact as a friend. I hope and care for your great health and happiness...your wellness. Not all are convinced or even attached to the final annalysis of christ as the son of God. I am not, but love many christians, and hope to find the power of understanding so that i may love all...even myself.We all are growing up, each day we get older. We never know it all though.
It's EZ to believe that you are special and that they(other faiths) do not understand. You have the edge in that possition. Most are only trying to help, but always stand gaurd. You must do the same, but ease up on how you disagree. Try being open to the fact that you may be /and are by my opinion ...special in your own way.
I am a person that believes in the Great Spirit. Universal I believe him to be, Mighty and Majestic.I call him 'Lord of Hosts', 'God Almighty', or "I am That I Am". I am 100% satisfied in my own attachment to him. Though I have proofs to disclaim Jesus, I wish not to insult him or his followers.I am their friend by accepting them as fellow beings with an alternate interpretation and faith than that of mine. At times , i do find that hard, when i am insulted, but try to be peacefull and understanding. I am becoming tolerant of detached opinion (opinion other than that of mine).
If you have seen UFO's, aliens, bigfoot what ever, you have a right to believe according to what suits your proof. This is true also with God.
The greatest hype on earth is that your individualizm is not important. It truly is your best asset.Everyone is important.I will fight to keep you from the flames, and even if it blackens my sin scarred wings. We are only human(we agree). They(flames) dont exist if we put them out.
Smile, keep an open mind, and see deeper into your self. You'll be ok thinking outside the box.

BeenThereDoneThat
07-29-2008, 02:13 AM
On scientology, I have no opinion, as i am misinformed , and see the right of others to believe what ever if they choose. I amy not thinj all are correct, but have to accept them. I would be interested in more on the subject of scientology. Thanx to the eagle above for the link.

Out of the Box
07-30-2008, 06:13 AM
You can't call it a religion because it was created by man.

All religions are created by man :rolleyes:

Anyway, I reject all Judeo-Christian religions as childish and manipulative rubbish that are contradicted by science. Religions such as Asatru, Buddhism or Vedanta Hinduism are far more advanced and far more in line with both science and the ways of nature.

BeenThereDoneThat
07-31-2008, 11:39 AM
I feel the same way to an extent. Nature...and spiritualism are two different areas. One is of the body and one is of mind. It is not merely contradicted by science, but rather misunderstood by interpretation. I have yet to see any science contradict what I feel, as the feeling of faith is a whole different science than that of understanding what you read. Once you have come to know God, you may have a different opinion...which in itself can not be proven by anyone but you. Man has faith(he creates) for purposes that trump science. Science has yet to prove...or disprove God. At least in my opinion. :)

Out of the Box
07-31-2008, 12:06 PM
I feel the same way to an extent. Nature...and spiritualism are two different areas. One is of the body and one is of mind.

I don't see a need to distinguish, really. Body and mind are interconnected.

I have yet to see any science contradict what I feel, as the feeling of faith is a whole different science than that of understanding what you read. Once you have come to know God, you may have a different opinion...which in itself can not be proven by anyone but you. Man has faith(he creates) for purposes that trump science. Science has yet to prove...or disprove God. At least in my opinion. :)

Science supports the existence of an unpersonal God like the New Age concept of Gaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis) or the Hindu concept of Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman). It does not support the existence of a personal divinity as in traditional Abrahamic faith.

BeenThereDoneThat
08-02-2008, 09:09 AM
I still believe in Just One, Father of all earth... creator. Science keeps changing its perspective, and what it claims as truths. I have had a personal experience going on 22 years now, so guess it trumps the 60's point of view and what every philosopher thinks. I admire your determination, but find it useless in what I determine to be truth. I am with the few. If we believe, and its better than what we know, then who loses? I will risk it all to be like I am now. Bent on keeping my faith.



Priases to the One and Only. He is the KING.

Out of the Box
08-04-2008, 03:16 AM
I am with the few. If we believe, and its better than what we know, then who loses? I will risk it all to be like I am now. Bent on keeping my faith.

There is no need to have faith. Once you achieve the higher levels of enlightenment, you KNOW and FEEL what sort of higher forces exist... which is far from the mainstream Christian view on divinity. As long as you require faith, that means you haven't reached enlightenment yet.

Ozziecynic
08-04-2008, 03:28 AM
Anyway, I reject all Judeo-Christian religions as childish and manipulative rubbish that are contradicted by science. Religions such as Asatru, Buddhism or Vedanta Hinduism are far more advanced and far more in line with both science and the ways of nature.

:rolleyes: I find your statement offensive.Iam sure if i was to state the same about your favoured Eastern religions you would take offense therefore your response is no better than the previous poster. I also find your statement on science being in line with nature very contradictory.There are very few examples with the exception of solar power and wind power(present mainstrean scientific dogma supports pro nuclear power) where modern science is in line with mother nature. On the whole science attempts to dominate nature and alter nature to mans design for rationalist materialistic approach towards material wealth which mainstream science deems progress. We are not having a an environmental crisis for no reason it due to this bogus and flawed over rationalist attitude which is one dimensional and pretty dumb in my view. Still I fail to see what this has to do with your interest in eastern religion maybe youve fallen head long for the bubble gum New age movement thus a guru in your own mind and another useful pawn in the NWO.:D

Ozziecynic
08-04-2008, 03:42 AM
Science supports the existence of an unpersonal God like the New Age concept of Gaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis) or the Hindu concept of Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman). It does not support the existence of a personal divinity as in traditional Abrahamic faith.

Yes this unpersonal God you speak of is BIG BROTHER which wishes to control us and and know our minds and our every thought not just our tax and social security records. Give me the Christian God any day Amen.:cool:


There is no need to have faith. Once you achieve the higher levels of enlightenment, you KNOW and FEEL what sort of higher forces exist... which is far from the mainstream Christian view on divinity. As long as you require faith, that means you haven't reached enlightenment yet.

How very enlightened of you sir. So what is it you know Mr lentil burger that none of us mere mortals have figured out. Are you 33rd degree Grand Poobah or just another hippie pothead having delusions of grandeur.

Out of the Box
08-04-2008, 04:18 AM
:rolleyes: I find your statement offensive.

If you're willing to fall for a childish religion, then prepare yourself to be offended.

Iam sure if i was to state the same about your favoured Eastern religions you would take offense

First of all, I don't focus on Eastern religions. (The esoteric versions of) Ancient Roman, ancient Greek and Asatru religions are also among my primary influences. I belong to the traditionalist school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Traditionalism) and don't limit myself to one particular religion. I can even appreciate traditions like Kabbalism and Sufi Islam to a degree, however I'm more drawn to Vedanta Hinduism or Asatru.

Anyway, if you were to state the same about my favoured religions I would ask you to argument why you feel and think that way and explain where you go wrong.

I also find your statement on science being in line with nature very contradictory.There are very few examples with the exception of solar power and wind power(present mainstrean scientific dogma supports pro nuclear power) where modern science is in line with mother nature. On the whole science attempts to dominate nature and alter nature to mans design for rationalist materialistic approach towards material wealth which mainstream science deems progress.

I was referring to science as a way to describe the universe. Technology is indeed often damaging to nature, but that's mostly because it is driven by capitalism. I'm both anti-capitalist and anti-communist. :cool:

Still I fail to see what this has to do with your interest in eastern religion maybe youve fallen head long for the bubble gum New age movement thus a guru in your own mind and another useful pawn in the NWO.:D

I'm not interested in New Age mumbo jumbo.

I am interested in esoteric Eastern religion (especially Vedanta) because it is very rational and entirely compatible with science as a way to describe the universe. Besides that, being based on rationality rather than dogma, they provide far more enlightenment than any Judeo-Christian religion.

Out of the Box
08-04-2008, 04:20 AM
Yes this unpersonal God you speak of is BIG BROTHER which wishes to control us and and know our minds and our every thought not just our tax and social security records.

That unpersonal God is nature. I object to Big Brother as much as you do.

How very enlightened of you sir. So what is it you know Mr lentil burger that none of us mere mortals have figured out. Are you 33rd degree Grand Poobah or just another hippie pothead having delusions of grandeur.

I'm neither. Like I said, I belong to the traditionalist school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Traditionalism).

BeenThereDoneThat
08-04-2008, 04:39 AM
I do have faith my God will keep his word. Whatever, and ...go back to your traditianal school...the world is full of dumbasses(non Believers) and thats ok with me.BeenThereDoneThat. I dont have to be enlightened to know that you are full of it. Look at your label.

Out of the Box
08-04-2008, 04:44 AM
I do have faith my God will keep his word. Whatever, and ...go back to your traditianal school...the world is full of dumbasses(non Believers) and thats ok with me.

So anyone who rejects your childish religion is a dumbass?!?! :rolleyes:

You Christians are so silly...

BeenThereDoneThat
08-04-2008, 03:03 PM
I would say that those non believers are as dumb as us non traditionalists. That was a childish question ehh? You insinuate you are an expert on my faith(calling me dumb, or not enlightened) and that faith in God is childish, and the honesty of the matter here is that come Judgement day(which i believe will happen without a doubt), the offenders like you will be smitten by the promise that we bear in our faith . I do believe you will get yours in due time. Though I am not christian...i am not a "supposed Traditional fool".

Now look back through your posts and figure where you offended every one first. And I recant what i said about non believers. I meant non believing traditionalists are diumbasses that insinuate the rest of us Believers are un-enlightened. Even I know, your purpose may be for naught, and that is a universal truth tommorrow as much as today. Telling me I am not enlightened because of your interpretation of faith? Dont be so offended about the 'dumbass' thing. It was not meant to offend any one , rather just single you out like you did to the rest of us. if you are insinuating the exact same thing there slick, why ya so bothered? I care less what you think. I only know you are a jerk and a know it all that is rude and insensitive to HUMAN reality. reality being...you dont know it all. Whatever you say pal!

Out of the Box
08-05-2008, 04:07 AM
I would say that those non believers are as dumb as us non traditionalists. That was a childish question ehh?

???

You insinuate you are an expert on my faith(calling me dumb, or not enlightened) and that faith in God is childish

I'm not a theologist, but I am raised as a Catholic, I've been an altar boy for many years and I've researched various other religions (especially atheism/humanism, Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, Wicca, LaVey Satanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and Asatru) in my spare time. It may not make me an expert, but it does make me somewhat qualified to compare religions.

And yes, Christian religions are childish and primitive.

the honesty of the matter here is that come Judgement day(which i believe will happen without a doubt), the offenders like you will be smitten by the promise that we bear in our faith .

:rolleyes:

I only know you are a jerk and a know it all that is rude and insensitive to HUMAN reality.

If you're an adult, you should be able to face criticism when someone points out how childish and primitive Christian religion.

Ozziecynic
08-31-2008, 06:01 AM
If you're willing to fall for a childish religion, then prepare yourself to be offended.

If you have a problem with humility then i suggest you would have problem with many religions not just Christianity. In sense many religions are all about submitting ones will to a supreme being or power so not to submit would be ill discipline and ill will in any spiritual belief. The fact that you are not suppose to aspire to any special/hidden knowledge in christianity is sign of submission to God. As you seem to have this clear Gnostic bent which is coming through in your posts, it is clear why you think this way however alas i beg to differ.


First of all, I don't focus on Eastern religions. (The esoteric versions of) Ancient Roman, ancient Greek and Asatru religions are also among my primary influences. I belong to the and don't limit myself to one particular religion. I can even appreciate traditions like Kabbalism and Sufi Islam to a degree, however I'm more drawn to Vedanta Hinduism or Asatru.


Thats eclectic of you however the fact remains these are all basically eastern religions whether from asia minor or asia major none are western traditions. I know you have stated Roman and Greek sources however you also stated the esoteric versions of these i assume must mean the qabalah which is babylonian/jewish origin therefore still eastern.

was referring to science as a way to describe the universe. Technology is indeed often damaging to nature, but that's mostly because it is driven by capitalism. I'm both anti-capitalist and anti-communist.

Let me tell you something you are clearly unaware of. Without science there would be no capitalism and no communism infact there would be no ISMs at all. There would not even have been an industrial revolution and no technology thus no civilisation. So bascially this point cancels out the rest of your above simplistic statement!.

I'm not interested in New Age mumbo jumbo
Ofcause you are you ve just shown several examples given most new age beliefs are eastern in origin.

Out of the Box
09-01-2008, 08:24 AM
If you have a problem with humility then i suggest you would have problem with many religions not just Christianity.

I don't have a problem with humility.

In sense many religions are all about submitting ones will to a supreme being or power so not to submit would be ill discipline and ill will in any spiritual belief.

Most religions do not know any supreme being. Their Gods are only meant to be interpreted in a symbolic way and used to express ideas to the masses unable to grasp the complexity of esoterism. This is true for eg. Buddhism, Hinduism and Asatru.

The fact that you are not suppose to aspire to any special/hidden knowledge in christianity is sign of submission to God.

Why submit to something that doesn't exist?

Thats eclectic of you however the fact remains these are all basically eastern religions whether from asia minor or asia major none are western traditions. I know you have stated Roman and Greek sources however you also stated the esoteric versions of these i assume must mean the qabalah which is babylonian/jewish origin therefore still eastern.

Roman, Greek, Egyptian and Hindu mythology differ only very little from Germanic Asatru, which is entirely European of nature. Some suspect that they all have a shared origin in an even older religion.

Let me tell you something you are clearly unaware of. Without science there would be no capitalism and no communism infact there would be no ISMs at all. There would not even have been an industrial revolution and no technology thus no civilisation. So bascially this point cancels out the rest of your above simplistic statement!.

????

Ofcause you are you ve just shown several examples given most new age beliefs are eastern in origin.

Like I said, I'm not interested in New Age....

Ozziecynic
09-02-2008, 07:32 AM
I don't have a problem with humility.

You look full of yourself. The problem is those with most pride seem to fall the hardest enjoy eternity.


Most religions do not know any supreme being. Their Gods are only meant to be interpreted in a symbolic way and used to express ideas to the masses unable to grasp the complexity of esoterism. This is true for eg. Buddhism, Hinduism and Asatru.

:cool:Once again you believe yourself to be superior to others you regard the vast exoteric majority as childish all hail you master.:p I suppose you are not as crafty as some pagans that actually call themselves christians or even Ministers and Priests,Preachers and try to destroy christianity from the inside out, so at least you admit it I will give you that!.
I will not try to defend mainstream christianity myself eg the Anglican or Catholic churches as both i see below contempt nor the just as contemptable Prosperity gospel so far as I care these either rotten or fabricated organisations can all die quick deaths it wouldnt harm christs message one iota either way. However christs message to humanity is much bigger than a few man made 21st century apostate doctrines formulated by psuedo pagans.
May interest you to know Nazis originated in Occult pagan ideas of the Thule Society another esoteric secret society whom obtained many of their ideas from Theosophies Madame Blatavatsky. So the occultists of all shades bear full responsibility for the Jewish holocaust, Freemasons and hippies and the new age movement all are to blame. Gnostic and eastern spirituality is nothing but a poison chalice.
:rolleyes:

Out of the Box
09-03-2008, 07:38 AM
You look full of yourself. The problem is those with most pride seem to fall the hardest enjoy eternity.

There is nothing wrong with pride. Vanity is the problem, as well as unjust humility.

Once again you believe yourself to be superior to others you regard the vast exoteric majority as childish all hail you master.

Obviously, logic is superior to dogmatic belief in a non-existing man high up in the sky. I am not saying I as an individual am superior.

I suppose you are not as crafty as some pagans that actually call themselves christians or even Ministers and Priests,Preachers and try to destroy christianity from the inside out, so at least you admit it I will give you that!

I'm not fighting Christians any more than a parent fights his children. Christians are not my enemy.

However christs message to humanity is much bigger than a few man made 21st century apostate doctrines formulated by psuedo pagans.

Christ's message is irrelevant.

May interest you to know Nazis originated in Occult pagan ideas of the Thule Society another esoteric secret society whom obtained many of their ideas from Theosophies Madame Blatavatsky.

Actually, the links between the NSDAP and the Thule society were marginal. It is true, however, that both were inspired by Germanic paganism. So what?

So the occultists of all shades bear full responsibility for the Jewish holocaust, Freemasons and hippies and the new age movement all are to blame.

There was no Jewish Holocaust. You should know that.

Freemasons and hippies do carry a large burden, though. You're right about that.

Gnostic and eastern spirituality is nothing but a poison chalice.

To Jews perhaps. To anyone but Jews, Judeo-Christianity is the poison chalice.

upisdown
09-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Christianity, as organized by Constantine, and the bible, as put forth by the Nicean Council under Constantine, is a religion for war mongering peoples. It is quite silly to say the least. Jesus is just another ancient spin on the dying-resurrecting Sun god.

Out of the Box
09-03-2008, 05:20 PM
Christianity, as organized by Constantine, and the bible, as put forth by the Nicean Council under Constantine, is a religion for war mongering peoples. It is quite silly to say the least. Jesus is just another ancient spin on the dying-resurrecting Sun god.

You just loved Zeitgeist, didn't you?! ;)

upisdown
09-03-2008, 05:45 PM
You just loved Zeitgeist, didn't you?! ;)

Thanks man! You just enlightened me to a new movie! I must acquire this Zeitgeist at all costs. Wikipedia gives it a wonderful review.

As for Christianity, the bottom line is it is all about control. Control of the mind with fear. The fear of hell.woooooooo.

And of course any Tom, Dick, or Harry can pick up a book about ancient paganism, especially Egyptian and Babylonian, and find gods with all kinds of similarities to Jezeus.

Thanks again! :)

Ozziecynic
09-04-2008, 06:48 AM
There is nothing wrong with pride. Vanity is the problem, as well as unjust humility.


Pride = vanity there is no noticeable semantic difference.



Obviously, logic is superior to dogmatic belief in a non-existing man high up in the sky. I am not saying I as an individual am superior.


I disagree a Humans logic "Logos" is not the same as the Christian God.
Gods logic would be incomprehendable to human logic although there are those like yourself and even some whom claim to be christians that think they understand Gods logic this is not possible. Most religion is an irrational force not a rational force it does not follow any pattern of Logic, Christianity simply requires faith.

I'm not fighting Christians any more than a parent fights his children. Christians are not my enemy.

Fighting them or not you made some very generic statements which claim most orthodox christians are childish in your view which seems pretty derogatory to most id assume. However actually to my eyes its more compliment than an insult because being like child is exactly what Christ expected from his disciples. Personally i have no problem with a simple or childish religion which comes back to the humilty issue something you still seem to have an issue with.
Anyway given what I have stated so far I am not the biggest fan of established christianity either some may even see myself as anti christian however i also happen to realise most post modern christianity is merely a rotten charade of its former glory and whom is this due to, the occult infiltrators ofcause those inspired by pseudo pagan ideas like Freemasons etc whom have delibrately sought to destroy not just christianity however all major monothiest religions in favour of secular humanism a phase on the road to luciferian One world Government.
There was no Jewish Holocaust. You should know that.

Dont presume you know my mind at all I am nothing like you. I am not a hater of Jews and never have been. It is very easy to gain the title of being anti semitic however just because one or two other posters here on cc label me one doesnt mean anything. In truth nothing could be more wrong I find your statements on this pretty sickening and insane.
I mean do you mean to tell me that all those incinerators and pictures of mass graves that most of us have all seen are just some elaborate fabrications such a attitude makes my stomach churn truly disgusting!.:rolleyes::mad:

One more point if you post on a conspiracy forum that means you must believe in global conspiracy so whom do you presume is behind this conspiracy in your eyes and what are they scheming to achieve your eyes.
If you are not even a christian what do you have to fear from it. Are you not part of the problem or do you think christians are gaining the upper hand in the western world which is highly unlikely. You see conspiracy forums are usually made for disgruntled conservatives eg christians traditionalists right wing reactionaries etc however you do not seem to fit any of these categories I am confused why not explain your fears and motivations. :confused:

Out of the Box
09-04-2008, 09:31 AM
Pride = vanity there is no noticeable semantic difference.

Vanity of conceit implies pride combined with a lack of real value.

I disagree a Humans logic "Logos" is not the same as the Christian God.
Gods logic would be incomprehendable to human logic although there are those like yourself and even some whom claim to be christians that think they understand Gods logic this is not possible.

Physics is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Psychology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Sociology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Biology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
History is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
etc.

Every aspect of "creation" can be explained by means of logics, although some aspects are extremely complex. There is no need at all for a divinity with "incomprehendable" logic to explain how the universe works. Leave "God" out of the equasion and the universe actually makes far more sense ;)

Most religion is an irrational force not a a rational force it does not follow any pattern of Logic, Christianity simply requires faith.

Judeo-Christian religion is an irrational force, which is why I reject it. Vedanta Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and esoteric Asatru are entirely rational, which is why I embrace them.

Fighting them or not you made some very generic statements which claim most orthodox christians are childish in your view which seems pretty derogatory to most id assume.

IMO it is childish to knowingly hold irrational views and not by bothered by that. That's just my opinion.

Personally i have no problem with a simple or childish religion which comes back to the humilty issue something you still seem to have an issue with.

Like I said, I have no problem with humility nor with pride. I have a problem with vanity and injust humility. Basically, this means I have no problem with people knowing what they're worth and a problem with people thinking too much or too little of themselves.

i also happen to realise most post modern christianity is merely a rotten charade of its former glory and whom is this due to, the occult infiltrators ofcause those inspired by pseudo pagan ideas like Freemasons etc whom have delibrately sought to destroy not just christianity however all major monothiest religions in favour of secular humanism a phase on the road to luciferian One world Government.

I can't disagree here, although I'm convinced that Christianity itself was their first move and humanism is its logical consequence ;)

In truth nothing could be more wrong I find your statements on this pretty sickening and insane.
I mean do you mean to tell me that all those incinerators and pictures of mass graves that most of us have all seen are just some elaborate fabrications such a attitude makes my stomach churn truly disgusting!.:rolleyes:

The German concentration camps existed and by the end of the war many thousands of people died in those camps from typhus and starvation due to lack of resources as a consequence of the chaos caused by Germany losing the war. The pictures you've seen of emaciated bodies are mostly pictures of typhus victims from Dachau and Bergen-Belsen... people who wouldn't have died if England and the US hadn't totally destroyed German infrastructure.

There were indeed crematoria in concentration camps. A camp like Auschwitz also had its own kitchens, its own marching band, its own museum, it's own prison, it's own chapel, it's own swimming pool, its own shops, etc. Such camps were very much like a small city and had many facilities one would also find in a small city. Homicidal gas chambers, however, are a mere fabrication of allied black-ops propaganda. No Jew was ever gassed to death.

One more point if you post on a conspiracy forum that means you must believe in global conspiracy so whom do you presume is behind this conspiracy in your eyes and are they scheming to achieve your eyes.

There is no group that can be isolated as leading the New World Order, however Jews and freemasons (gentiles with a Kabbalist/Talmudic doctrine) are dominant.

If you are not even a christian what do you have to fear from it.

Christianity is the root of humanism in the gentile world and itself the cause of most problems today.

Are you not part of the problem or do you think christians are gaining the upper hand in the western world which is highly unlikely.

How am I part of the problem?

You see conspiracy forums are usually made for disgruntled conservatives eg christians traditionalists right wing reactionaries etc however you do not seem to fit any of these categories I am confused why not explain your fears and motivations. :confused:

From my perspective, Europe started to decline morally and spiritually from the moment it was converted to Christianity and it went downhill ever since. IMO, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French and American revolution, the Industrial Revolution and the social changes of the 1960's were all important steps in the moral and spiritual decline of Europe.... that started with Europe turning Christian. IMO, a healthy pagan outlook is essential for Eurasia to stop the current decline.

Ozziecynic
09-05-2008, 02:01 AM
Vanity of conceit implies pride combined with a lack of real value.

I would agree!


Physics is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Psychology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Sociology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
Biology is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
History is entirely logical (although it can be very complex).
etc.

Every aspect of "creation" can be explained by means of logics, although some aspects are extremely complex. There is no need at all for a divinity with "incomprehendable" logic to explain how the universe works. Leave "God" out of the equasion and the universe actually makes far more sense ;)



Thats all very scientific and rational of you however man longs for more that just cold calllous and objectivist rationality man longs to feel for the metaphysical or spiritual in life otherwise besides the often frivolous love involved in temporal relationships (some of it very poor quality) what else can material life offer us!.This is the reason athiests never get anywhere because they deny this spiritual craving in man/humanity.
I while i realise you do follow a some path of spirituality i really think that it is some kind of watered down post mdern version of the real thing.
For example any of the things you have stated about Buddhism do not seem to match my understanding of Buddhism.You speak of synthesis of easten religions not just one which looks pretty New age to me infact it looks very theosophical i have read a fair amount about this movement so I know what I am talking about. Bottom line is whatever you believe is frivolous it has no foundations seems like some fad you are going through.

Judeo-Christian religion is an irrational force, which is why I reject it. Vedanta Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and esoteric Asatru are entirely rational, which is why I embrace them.

I dont see Buddhism or Hinduism as rational at all Buddhism is very much a religion of humilty and submssion it has several degrees involved in its ascending ascestic path. Yet you have just told me do not like simple and childish religions. Buddhism is about worshipping a supreme being buddha as supreme spiritual force and deity is this rational ?
In Hinduism they often worship Rats Cats, Cows etc.. all other kinds of beasts and make temples for them then worship at them and place incense sticks at them is this rational?
Infact is the Hindu caste system rational as it is all based on tradition and ascription for all following generations of the same family is this rational? As you should be able to see or others will see reading your posts you have many contradictions running through them this is not helping your course to be taken seriously. I am certainly find your hard to take seriously.


There is no group that can be isolated as leading the New World Order, however Jews and freemasons (gentiles with a Kabbalist/Talmudic doctrine) are dominant.


Whether you realise it or not you actually think like a Freemason your mindset is very materialistic because you think like a complete dialecticist.
On the contrary I am coming from a differnt direction altogether I am not a rationalist if anything I thinking very metaphysically and irrationally or spiritually as some might say.

Out of the Box
09-05-2008, 04:34 AM
Thats all very scientific and rational of you however man longs for more that just cold calllous and objectivist rationality man longs to feel for the metaphysical or spiritual in life otherwise besides the often frivolous love involved in temporal relationships (some of it very poor quality) what else can material life offer us!

Spirituallity doesn't need to imply irrationallity and rationallity doesn't need to imply a lack of spirituallity. It's a common misunderstanding that logics is void of spirituality and spirituality is void of logics.

I don't believe in a being up in "heaven", but I am a spiritual person nevertheless. For me, nature = God and the laws of nature are the eternal laws on which we must base our morallity. All this, based on my rational understanding of biology, physics and psychology. As a consequence, my views are far more consistent than those of a Christian or humanist who lack this rational base.

This is the reason athiests never get anywhere because they deny this spiritual craving in man/humanity.

I tend to agree with this. Like I said, I'm not an atheist myself. I' could call myself a scientific pagan.

I while i realise you do follow a some path of spirituality i really think that it is some kind of watered down post mdern version of the real thing.

Actually, my views are very close to the esoteric knowledge of the ancient Egyptian, Greek, Babylonian or Germanic priests. Like me, they were entirely rational and combined science with spirituality.

For example any of the thing you have stated about Buddhism do not seem to match my understanding of Buddhism.

A close friend of mine is a civil engineer about to finish his doctorate and also a convinced Buddhist and vegetarian. He helped me shape my views on this religion. Have you even met a Buddhist in person?

You speak of synthesis of easten religions not just one which looks pretty New age to me infact it looks very theosophical i have read a fair amount about this movement so I know what I am talking about.

Theosophy is hogwash. My greatest influence is the traditionalist school of Guťnon and Evola.

Bottom line is whatever you believe is frivolous it has no foundations seems like some fad you are going through.

Hardly....


I dont see Buddhism or Hinduism as rational at all Buddhism is very much a religion of humilty and submssion it has several degrees involved in its ascending ascestic path.

Buddhism is a religion, but it's based on rational grounds. The more advanced Buddhists reject dogma altogether and embrace an entirely logical foundation for their spirituality. Although I somewhat object to the submissive nature of Buddhism as well as its tendency to encourage enlightened ones to escape from reality, I still see a lot of value in it.

Buddhism is about worshipping a supreme being buddha as supreme spiritual force and deity is this rational ?

Buddha is regarded as a human like all of us, with his own flaws and his own weaknesses. He is not prophet or a God. Buddhism states that anyone can follow the steps of Buddha by following the tenfold path. This is entirely distinct from the Christian teaching that regards Jesus as a divine entity who escaped death and who could do all sorts of miracles.

In Hinduism they often worship Rats Cats, Cows etc.. all other kinds of beasts and make temples for them then worship at them and place incense sticks at them is this rational?

This is the exoteric version of Hinduism that's used for the masses. Esoteric Vedanta Hinduism lacks all this rubbish and is reduced to the bare essence.

Infact is the Hindu caste system rational as it is all based on tradition and ascription for all following generations of the same family is this rational?

Yes. The Hindu caste system preserved the complex racial make-up of India. It avoided cultural and ethnic dillution.

As you should be able to see or others will see reading your posts you have many contradictions running through them this is not helping your course to be taken seriously.

Just because you don't see the logic, that doesn't mean there is no logic. We have a completely different worldview and it is impossible to judge certain distinct views on their value and see any correlation without observing them from the context of the entire worldview.

Whether you realise it or not you actually think like a Freemason your mindset is very materialistic because you think like a complete dialecticist.

I am a complete dialecticist but anything but a materialist. One doesn't imply the other.

On the contrary I am coming from a differnt direction altogether I am not a rationalist if anything I thinking very metaphyscially and irrationally or spiritually as some might say.

Immanuel Kant was a very spiritual/metaphysical person but also an extremely rational person. It is individuals like Kant with whom I most identity. See below :
Kant's Metaphysics

How might the human mind relate objects a priori, independently of the input of the senses? One possibility is that the mind employs a faculty which relates to objects directly or intuitively, bypassing the senses entirely. Another possibility is that the mind gets at its objects indirectly, through the use of general concepts, which in turn are not the products of sense experience. Kant held that both these traditional explanations of a priori access to objects are fatally flawed.

Philosophers from Plato onward have held that the human mind has direct insight into objects apart from their being given through the senses. Kant dismissed such claims to "intellectual intuition" of objects as mystical. His fundamental objection was that directly given objects are given nonetheless, and that no existing object can be given to human beings "as is." What is given in human intuition is always modified by the manner in which it is received. Only an "original" intuition, one which gives rise to the very existence of its object, would be able to represent its objects as they are "in themselves."

The difficulty with intellectual intuition is circumvented by the second approach to metaphysics, according to which the human mind is related to objects a priori through the use of general concepts. Kant held that although some of our general concept (e.g. that of a dog) are derived from sense-experience, others (e.g., that of a supreme being) are generated "spontaneously" by the human mind itself. Such concept-generation is therefore a priori, and the generated concepts are legitimate starting-points for metaphysical investigation. "The root and peculiarity of metaphysics," Kant stated, is "the occupation of reason merely with itself and the supposed knowledge of objects arising immediately from this brooding over its own concepts, without requiring experience or indeed being able to reach that knowledge through experience" (Prolegomena to any Future Metaphysics, Section 40).

Despite this solid beginning, metaphysics quickly takes a wrong turn, according to Kant. The a priori origin of metaphysical concepts suggests that they apply to objects which themselves are independent of sense-experience. In Kant's terminology, such concepts are used "transcendently" in a vain attempt to gain access to "hyper-physical" objects, such as God. But the applicability of pure concepts to non-sensible objects is a kind of illusion, the exposure to which spells an end to traditional metaphysics.

Kant's proposed an alternative metaphysics, which retains an a priori element, but confines it to objects of sense-experience. These objects are given to the human mental faculty of "sensibility." As mentioned above, Kant held that any object given to the human mind is subject to the means by which the mind receives it. Kant claimed that there are two "forms" of human intuition, space and time, and that all objects of sense-experience are therefore to be found in some region of space and at some period of time. Space and time themselves are not taken from experience, and hence are a priori forms. Kant regarded his "discovery" of a "sensible a priori" to be crucial to the explanation of mathematical knowledge. Objects of sense-experience conform to mathematical principles because the principles themselves are directly applicable to space and time.

Objects are given to the human mind in space and time, and they are thought through general concepts. Kant claimed to have discovered as systematic arrangement of twelve a priori concepts which he called "categories." The legitmate use of the categories is restricted to objects in space and time, i.e., the objects of sense-experience. Most prominent among the categories is that of cause and effect, whose principle is that every change in an object of sense-experience is determined by its prior state in accordance with a rule.

Attempting to extend the use of the categories beyond the field of sensible objects is what gives rise to the illusion that a priori concepts can be used transcendently. For example, the category of causality might be extended to encompass an uncaused cause. Such an object could not be met with in experience, which is subject to the principle that every change in an object is the outcome of its prior state and a rule governing its transition to the subsequent state. On the other hand, there is something profoundly unsatisfying to human reason in the postulation of an endless series of causes. So there is a conflict or "antinomy" of reason with itself.

Kant took such an conflict as symbolic of the futility of transcendent metaphysics. We must simply give up any pretense to knowledge of some ultimate or unconditioned object like an uncaused cause. If may be useful to assume that there is such a thing, but its existence can never be proved. On the other hand, its existence cannot be disproved, either. Kant held that the failure of transcendent metaphysics carries with it a highly desirable consequence. It allows for the possibility of human freedom, insofar as the human will is considered as a non-sensible object. This is of supreme importance for Kant's ethics.

Ozziecynic
09-05-2008, 10:45 PM
Spirituallity doesn't need to imply irrationallity and rationallity doesn't need to imply a lack of spirituallity. It's a common misunderstanding that logics is void of spirituality and spirituality is void of logics.



In history it was always the Postivists which held the charge against religion that it was irrational and full of superstition. Why else did volataire in his day try to annihilate christianity once and for all. The only kind of spirituality logicsts give us is fake and materialistic kind. Like the modern Mega churches for example ever been to a Prosperity Preaching Mega church and these are meant to be spinoffs of the Pentecostal movement the most spiritual churches that are suppose to exist within PM Christianity. You will realise just how rotten christianity has become that much I agree on.

I don't believe in a being up in "heaven", but I am a spiritual person nevertheless. For me, nature = God and the laws of nature are the eternal laws on which we must base our morallity. All this, based on my rational understanding of biology, physics and psychology. As a consequence, my views are far more consistent than those of a Christian or humanist who lack this rational base.

I do God dwells in my soul right now I am not of the world only in it. My existential christian existence is complete. I do not need the world it could end tomorrow and i would feel no sentimentality towards it or my feeble human relationships (except my direct family)whatsoever. As you see i am very irrational the world cant deal with it either.
Humanists are NOT Christians they are a creation of the Secret Occult societies to counter christianity thats a fact!. So far they have not altogether succeeded by using the out right lets smash and eradicate it due to state laws response so instead they tried the lets infiltrate it and thus brainwash the exoteric mass into antichrist doctrines strategy eg the Pope is equal with God in the case of catholics or Prosperity Gospel with modern protestants.

I tend to agree with this. Like I said, I'm not an atheist myself. I' could call myself a scientific pagan.

Good for you does this make you one of the NWO elite then!. My status in society is very ordinary although I do have my experinence in the tertiary education system of my country.

A close friend of mine is a civil engineer about to finish his doctorate and also a convinced Buddhist and vegetarian. He helped me shape my views on this religion. Have you even met a Buddhist in person?

Yes i have met an Australian guy whom claimed to be a buddhist he was like you and your friend sounds very much post modern and very much part of the mainstream western society. Are you and your friend living in a Buddhist monastery living a full ascestic lifestyle?. Somehow i doubt it, so how can you even think of labeling yourself buddhist. If you said this to buddhist monk in Lhasa tibet and you were still living your modern western lifestyle what would he/she think.
Buddhism is a religion, but it's based on rational grounds. The more advanced Buddhists reject dogma altogether and embrace an entirely logical foundation for their spirituality. Although I somewhat object to the submissive nature of Buddhism as well as its tendency to encourage enlightened ones to escape from reality, I still see a lot of value in it.

Looks like some post modern revisionist crap which is called buddhism however is anything but. Infact with such mindset you look more like one of the Communist Chinese soldiers beating the Buddhist monks over the heads with batons.

I am a complete dialecticist but anything but a materialist. One doesn't imply the other.

Such rationalist views lead directly to materialism they also lead directly to ISMs like capitalism and communism which before you claimed to be against.
I do not put any faith in any man made doctrines or ISMs I only follow my own exegeses of the the Bible.:cool:

Leonardo
09-06-2008, 04:51 AM
This Universe Makes No Sense Except The Sense God Gives To It! You People! It Is His Program Alone! You Are A Subject Not An Object, And I Know That You Know!

BeenThereDoneThat
09-06-2008, 08:52 AM
:oMakes sense to me...Jesus freaks think they know it all....and God has more than one agenda...I am one of them.

Leonardo
09-07-2008, 02:40 AM
:oMakes sense to me...Jesus freaks think they know it all....and God has more than one agenda...I am one of them.

No, I am an agenda!

Ozziecynic
09-07-2008, 05:57 AM
Makes sense to me...Jesus freaks think they know it all....and God has more than one agenda...I am one of them.

Mankind as whole thinks it can control the world and will live on for eternity most of us in post modern society believe we are immortals this flawed view which will shortly come to an abrupt end in Jerusalem I am guessing in the next five years some escatologists both christian and esoteric agree some time around 2012 crap hits the fan armeggedon finito, the End, its also the mayan calander, end of an epoch or age. Also correlates to the kali yuga just to show you all that i do have other knowledge besides orthodox christianity which is my primary faith.
By the way most of these jesus freaks you speak of many of them are just as pagan as pagans especially if they only use the religion for political purposes. So the question is there a difference between many christians and pagans in our age at the end of the day very little youd be surprised christianity is falling away big time.:cool:

Leonardo
09-07-2008, 06:04 AM
Mankind as whole thinks it can control the world and will live on for eternity most of us in post modern society believe we are immortals this flawed view which will shortly come to an abrupt end in Jerusalem I am guessing in the next five years some escatologists both christian and esoteric agree some time around 2012 crap hits the fan armeggedon finito, the End, its also the mayan calander, end of an epoch or age. Also correlates to the kali yuga just to show you all that i do have other knowledge besides orthodox christianity which is my primary faith.
By the way most of these jesus freaks you speak of many of them are just as pagan as pagans especially if they only use the religion for political purposes. So the question is there a difference between many christians and pagans in our age at the end of the day very little youd be surprised christianity is falling away big time.:cool:

Falling away? Brother I was Catholic and now Orthodox as well. And I'd say it's flat rolled off the cliff. I'm serious. And how could it not? A long time ago everyone decided that repeating one litergy from one russion from 900s would support the Faith for all time. And you know how these Pharisees of the Church are. That stupid litergy is going to drive me INSANE if I hear it one more time! I'm not being sacreligious here. I BLOODY TIRED OF GODS OF WOOD AND STONE! I WANT LIFE, THE GOD OF LIFE, AND I WANT SEX DAMNIT!

With Bishops like these, who needs Illuminati?

Let's just say I'm not in the 'best' standing with the clergy. They tell me they are the faithful. I think they're a bunch of abominable hypocrites.

Now, it's been a long time coming. And now that I have discovered the key to Song of Solomon I am now pursueing a woman to bang. They have tried to steal our penises. And so I am looking for a beautiful woman who wants a sort of priest like almost ordained nearly clergy type person for marriage.

Ozziecynic
09-07-2008, 06:36 AM
Falling away? Brother I was Catholic and now Orthodox as well. And I'd say it's flat rolled off the cliff. I'm serious. And how could it not? A long time ago everyone decided that repeating one litergy from one russion from 900s would support the Faith for all time. And you know how these Pharisees of the Church are. That stupid litergy is going to drive me INSANE if I hear it one more time! I'm not being sacreligious here.

I have found the Prosperity Preaching Megachurches to be far worse although i take your point about catholics equally. The problem is most sheeple are born into churches due to their upbringing not due to personal choice this is why there so many fools hanging around churches every sunday they think its all just about family values end of story well they can do that at Rotary or sports clubs so why use the church to do that!.:cool:

Leonardo
09-07-2008, 06:46 AM
I have found the Prosperity Preaching Megachurches to be far worse although i take your point about catholics equally. The problem is most sheeple are born into churches due to their upbringing not due to personal choice this is why there so many fools hanging around churches every sunday they think its all just about family values end of story well they can do that at Rotary or sports clubs so why use the church to do that!.:cool:

Well you're right, Ozzie. Bloody cruel system the whole thing. Here we all are, born free, having free spirits, and we get about 4 years of blissful ignorance. And then, we are thrust straight into a Hell called public education. And for the next 12 or so years we are programmed by teachers, peers, music, television, movies, churches, governments, clothing fashions, eating habbits and other trends.

And then, it gets even better. Not only do we have to endure all that crap, but WORK OURSELVES OUT OF IT!

Now isn't that fun.

And then on television we have the megachurch preachers like Joel Olstein and Max Lucado telling us to just be positive and concentrate on blessing ourselves in our finances.

And then people ask why I drink wine!

I'm not a very good priest. I suck at it. And I'm sure no televangelist, and no one really needs and extra theologian these days. So I think I'm going to go live with the Indians.

BeenThereDoneThat
09-07-2008, 11:08 PM
I think you would get a better view from here if you saw my BLUESTAR posts at 2012 forums....I am the one you were warned about.(no one ever listens though):eek:

Leonardo read...I said it first ! I am gonna go live with the indians!

Leonardo
09-07-2008, 11:46 PM
I think you would get a better view from here if you saw my BLUESTAR posts at 2012 forums....I am the one you were warned about.(no one ever listens though):eek:

Leonardo read...I said it first ! I am gonna go live with the indians!

No! The Bluestar was my idea! I posted it on photbucket two years ago! I even made go flashy flashy flashy! You can have some other star! And I AM THE ONE YOU WERE WARNED ABOUT! And I do listen! I am No ONe! And I said I'm going to live with the indians! You can't be an indian! I'm an Indian!

I AM CHIEF GOOSEFEATHER!

--Fra N.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 12:12 AM
See here's the situation, the Blue Star was my idea. And I am the one they warned you about when you were young.

And I'll prove it. Look at this video here a moment...

YouTube - When the Stars Go Blue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9MuJhjsT7U&feature=related)

You see that? See those Blue Stars and things of this nature? Well that's some galaxy or something out there. I think it's the Pleides. And that is a grape cluster, and I eat grapes and drink chianti, and I bet you don't. Proof 1.

Proof 2, those Blue Stars that they sing about look more like my star than yours. My star is sort of like Venus right, and that's the Morning Star, and it's usually blue, except in the winter when it sort of may have a little red in it, I can't really remember, maybe around Aquarius or sometime, but that's not my point. The point is that my star flashes, and generally looks better than you. It's bluer, and flashier. So tell me, what's your point?

I'm sorry, man, my bling bling is steller!

Oh, yeah, and I played a better song than you did. So...

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 04:53 AM
In history it was always the Postivists which held the charge against religion that it was irrational and full of superstition. Why else did volataire in his day try to annihilate christianity once and for all. The only kind of spirituality logicsts give us is fake and materialistic kind.

That's just plain BS.

I do God dwells in my soul right now I am not of the world only in it. My existential christian existence is complete. I do not need the world it could end tomorrow and i would feel no sentimentality towards it or my feeble human relationships (except my direct family)whatsoever.

It's the same for me. The only difference is that for me God = nature itself, whereas you believe in some imaginary God outside of nature.

the Pope is equal with God in the case of catholics or Prosperity Gospel with modern protestants.

No Catholic seriously puts the Pope at the same level as God or Jesus.

Good for you does this make you one of the NWO elite then!.

Hardly. The goals and methods of the NWO are oposite of mine :rolleyes:

My status in society is very ordinary

Same for me.

Are you and your friend living in a Buddhist monastery living a full ascestic lifestyle?

I'm not a Buddhist. Also, Buddhism doesn't require full ascetism any more than Catholicism or Protestantism.

Somehow i doubt it, so how can you even think of labeling yourself buddhist.

Like I said, I'm not a Buddhist. I see a lot of good in Buddhism, but I'm more into Vedanta Hinduism and esoteric Asatru myself.

Looks like some post modern revisionist crap which is called buddhism however is anything but. Infact with such mindset you look more like one of the Communist Chinese soldiers beating the Buddhist monks over the heads with batons.

:rolleyes:

Such rationalist views lead directly to materialism they also lead directly to ISMs like capitalism and communism which before you claimed to be against.

That's utter BS. I'm perhaps even less materialist than you.

I do not put any faith in any man made doctrines or ISMs I only follow my own exegeses of the the Bible.:cool:

The Bible is written by man and full of rubbish. Kantian philosophy and Vedic philosophy are also written by man but they're far more logical.



This Universe Makes No Sense Except The Sense God Gives To It! You People! It Is His Program Alone! You Are A Subject Not An Object, And I Know That You Know!

The universe makes perfect sense without the existence of "God" as you see it.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 05:29 AM
That's just plain BS.



It's the same for me. The only difference is that for me God = nature itself, whereas you believe in some imaginary God outside of nature.



No Catholic seriously puts the Pope at the same level as God or Jesus.



Hardly. The goals and methods of the NWO are oposite of mine :rolleyes:



Same for me.



I'm not a Buddhist. Also, Buddhism doesn't require full ascetism any more than Catholicism or Protestantism.



Like I said, I'm not a Buddhist. I see a lot of good in Buddhism, but I'm more into Vedanta Hinduism and esoteric Asatru myself.



:rolleyes:



That's utter BS. I'm perhaps even less materialist than you.



The Bible is written by man and full of rubbish. Kantian philosophy and Vedic philosophy are also written by man but they're far more logical.





The universe makes perfect sense without the existence of "God" as you see it.

You're wrong about everything you wrote.

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 05:31 AM
You're wrong about everything you wrote.

No, you are ;)

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to provide some logical arguments against the views I expressed.

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 07:40 AM
not true, But I am a Christian only because I grew up as one. My mom makes me go 2 church but I find it quite boring. It does not intrest me at all, yet I still am a Chrisitian.

Weird.

If you think you are a Christian because your mother forces you to go to Church, then you are deluded. Christianity is a belief not a club membership, if you believe that the only way to God is through Jesus dying on the cross for your sins, repentance, forgiveness and love, then you are a Christian.
If you find the fact that your Church is boring, then go find another one. If it's the fact that you just don't believe, well that's your choice also as God gave us all free will. Just do not say you are something you are clearly not!!!

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 08:20 AM
There is no need to have faith. Once you achieve the higher levels of enlightenment, you KNOW and FEEL what sort of higher forces exist... which is far from the mainstream Christian view on divinity. As long as you require faith, that means you haven't reached enlightenment yet.

Elightenment comes from the Lightbringer (Lucifer who's name means bringer of light), you think you are clever and full of yourself, however i suggest you research the origins of your religious beliefs before crowing about them.

Look up Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Annie Bessant or the Lucis trust (used to be called Lucifer publishing co), they all follow the same principles you mentioned and some even admit it comes from Luciferian teachings.

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 08:33 AM
Elightenment comes from the Lightbringer (Lucifer who's name means bringer of light), you think you are clever and full of yourself, however i suggest you research the origins of your religious beliefs before crowing about them.

When I use the term "enlightenment", I'm using it as a reference to the higher (or a higher) level of understanding of the universe. I'm not referring to the Englightenment movement or to the mythical figure of Lucifer... which should have been obvious from the contect.

Look up Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Annie Bessant or the Lucis trust (used to be called Lucifer publishing co), they all follow the same principles you mentioned and some even admit it comes from Luciferian teachings.

I don't care for these individuals at all.

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 09:35 AM
Absolute rubbish!!! You said,

There is no need to have faith. Once you achieve the higher levels of enlightenment, you KNOW and FEEL what sort of higher forces exist... which is far from the mainstream Christian view on divinity. As long as you require faith, that means you haven't reached enlightenment yet.

Please tell me what higher forces exist then, seeing as you have reached enlightenment??

Being enlightened means you have gained wisdom and understanding. From whom have you gained all this knowledge and wisdom??

BlueAngel
09-08-2008, 09:40 AM
Absolute rubbish!!! You said,

There is no need to have faith. Once you achieve the higher levels of enlightenment, you KNOW and FEEL what sort of higher forces exist... which is far from the mainstream Christian view on divinity. As long as you require faith, that means you haven't reached enlightenment yet.

Please tell me what higher forces exist then, seeing as you have reached enlightenment??

Being enlightened means you have gained wisdom and understanding. From whom have you gained all this knowledge and wisdom??

Yes, please, enlighten us so that we, too, can have a higher level of understanding of the universe and from whom and where you gained this knowledge and from whom and where they gained it?

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Please tell me what higher forces exist then, seeing as you have reached enlightenment??

I suggest you research the Hindu concept of Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman).

Being enlightened means you have gained wisdom and understanding. From whom have you gained all this knowledge and wisdom??

My views are based on years of independent and rational study of pre-Christian and post-Kantian philosophy.

BlueAngel
09-08-2008, 10:05 AM
I guess we have years of studying to do before we become enlightened like Out of the Box.

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 10:08 AM
I guess we have years of studying to do before we become enlightened like Out of the Box.

Obviously.

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 10:31 AM
Don't you mean Brahma?? All those people i mentioned you said you had no care for, employ the exact same principles of teaching, have got their sources from the same place and were all enlightened by Lucifer.

I strongly suggest it's you who does their research into the origins of your beliefs, who is associated with this religion and how and by whom it is funded.

There's a good book which has done all the research you need if you are interested.
The New World Religion by Gary H. Kah, failing that read your Bible it clearly warns you about false teachings.

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Don't you mean Brahma??

No I don't. Click the link and see for yourself.

All those people i mentioned you said you had no care for, employ the exact same principles of teaching, have got their sources from the same place and were all enlightened by Lucifer.

I don't care for Lucifer. He's as imaginary as your God. :rolleyes:

I strongly suggest it's you who does their research into the origins of your beliefs, who is associated with this religion and how and by whom it is funded.

Been there, done that.

The New World Religion by Gary H. Kah, failing that read your Bible it clearly warns you about false teachings.

The bible is nothing but a heap of immature pseudo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo combined with boring Jewish history. Why should I be interested in what the bible has to offer?

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 11:53 AM
If Lucifer is imaginary, why are you adopting his doctrines?? It matters not to me what you think or do, as you have the right to do whatever you think is right.

Don't say i didn't warn you.

All i'll say is that with modern medicine and the ability to bring people back from death through advanced resuscitation methods, there are millions of reported NDE's. Nearly all report of meeting Angels, Jesus relatives etc, however there are more reports coming out now of people coming back from Hell, how horribly terrifying it was and how it has changed their lives completely.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 04:12 PM
No, you are ;)

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to provide some logical arguments against the views I expressed.

Woah, woah, there Cochis! Hang on a minute. Your the one sitting vomitting out trash about how much you know. You're the one begging the question here. I had three years of Logic in university. So, I'm going to watch you try to squirm your way out of or into your own so-called 'logic'. Let's see if you can proof anything you've written. Actually, I'll make it easier, I just want to see if you can provide even one syllagism of anything you claim to believe. Your series of universal negatives won't work. You're the one coming from an argument from scientia.

So ride you ship, Capt. Let's see what you got. I'm gonna make some coffee and eat a cheeseburger. I'll watch you type. I read it. I'll laugh.

Amuse me. Be my evening entertainment.

--Fra

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 05:02 PM
Woah, woah, there Cochis! Hang on a minute. Your the one sitting vomitting out trash about how much you know. You're the one begging the question here. I had three years of Logic in university. So, I'm going to watch you try to squirm your way out of or into your own so-called 'logic'. Let's see if you can proof anything you've written. Actually, I'll make it easier, I just want to see if you can provide even one syllagism of anything you claim to believe. Your series of universal negatives won't work. You're the one coming from an argument from scientia.

So ride you ship, Capt. Let's see what you got. I'm gonna make some coffee and eat a cheeseburger. I'll watch you type. I read it. I'll laugh.

Amuse me. Be my evening entertainment.

--Fra

3 years at university eh!! Well done to you. I see you spent your time well having your brain removed, your ego inflated and 3 spoonfulls of arrogance thrown in for good measure.

I know because the Bible tells me, the Bible is the word of God, I can't prove that to you just the same as you can't disprove it. It's all about faith, it's my faith not yours or anyone elses, maybe if you had some you would understand.

As to your statement about me begging the question, the question was asked after Out of the box arrogantly proclaimed that as we had faith we needed to be enlightened by the same superior knowledge, wisdom and understanding that he had received, in order that faith would no longer be required.

I merely pointed out to him, as i am to you that if he thinks that faith is not neeeded as the Bible clearly states, then I would be eager to know where he attained such knowledge, wisdom and understanding. I obtained my faith from the Bible written by men through the Holy spirit, therefore i know it to be correct, that is not an opinion it's a fact.

All the information i gave to out of the box in regards to research he said he had no interest, as far as i am concerned that is up to him, as he has free will to decide for himself.

As for whatever your problem is, i'm not quite sure, i hope you enjoy your Cheese Burger and coffee.

P.s It's spelt syllogism.

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 05:17 PM
If Lucifer is imaginary, why are you adopting his doctrines??

I am not adopting "his" doctrines. :rolleyes:

All i'll say is that with modern medicine and the ability to bring people back from death through advanced resuscitation methods, there are millions of reported NDE's. Nearly all report of meeting Angels, Jesus relatives etc, however there are more reports coming out now of people coming back from Hell, how horribly terrifying it was and how it has changed their lives completely.

Just because people THINK they've seen "angels" or "Jesus", that doesn't mean they actually have. There is a very thin line between spiritual experiences and hallucinations as the brain usually can't distinguish between both.

I'm going to watch you try to squirm your way out of or into your own so-called 'logic'. Let's see if you can proof anything you've written. Actually, I'll make it easier, I just want to see if you can provide even one syllagism of anything you claim to believe. Your series of universal negatives won't work. You're the one coming from an argument from scientia.

Syllagism? If you had three years of logic at university, it is quite remarkable you can't even spell "syllogism".

What do you want proof for? Why do I even need to provide proof for arguing against a primitive belief system based on nothing but a 1600-year-old collection of books, carefully selected at the Council of Nicea with the purpose of creating obedient and gullible citizens? Some authors even suggested that Jesus never existed (http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/) and that the Christ figure was merely a plagiarism of earlier prophets from different other religions (see YouTube - Krishna = Buddha = Christ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU5X-mYio2s) )

Out of the Box
09-08-2008, 05:20 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513CYJ9NG9L._SS500_.jpg (http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm)

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 05:24 PM
I am not adopting "his" doctrines. :rolleyes:



Just because people THINK they've seen "angels" or "Jesus", that doesn't mean they actually have. There is a very thin line between spiritual experiences and hallucinations as the brain usually can't distinguish between both.



Syllagism? If you had three years of logic at university, it is quite remarkable you can't even spell "syllogism".

What do you want proof for? Why do I even need to provide proof for arguing against a primitive belief system based on nothing but a 1600-year-old collection of books, carefully selected at the Council of Nicea with the purpose of creating obedient and gullible citizens? Some authors even suggested that Jesus never existed (http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/) and that the Christ figure was merely a plagiarism of earlier prophets from different other religions (see YouTube - Krishna = Buddha = Christ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU5X-mYio2s) )

First, I never claimed to be able to spell. Secondly, your statements are every one of them under the classification of logical fallacies. And your understanding of the documentary history of the Bible is woeful.

You need to go to an accredited 4 year university and get a B.A. in the Liberal Arts, Theology, and Philosophy.

Then you will understand that your level of thinking is so far beneath even the most base levels of logical discussion, that you will become ill and loathe yourself for realizing just how apeish and low your level of thinking was before.

You have my pity.

--Fra N.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 05:29 PM
I see that perhaps you are becoming nervous, outofthebox. You're beginning to rush through your posts in rapid pace. You're becoming frustrated because you realize that you are ignorant now.

Your logical fallacies of ad homenim are really atrocious and pathetic to watch. You're like a wild animal caught in a cage raging, raging. You cannot even complete or formulate an entire idea.

You need therapy.

theonewillcome
09-08-2008, 05:56 PM
Well actually NDE's are being monitored and logged by several different agencies in order to provide evidence of any patterns. One of the main things the skeptics could not argue about, was the fact that many of them could describe what was happening around them and what people had done and said, even when the brain monitoring machine was clearly showing their brain had died, one guy came back to life after 3 days in the morgue.

YouTube - 1-14 LIFE AFTER DEATH ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMcK1G45SQ8&feature=PlayList&p=28CE41109D4691CE&index=0)

The council of Nicea was the formation of the Catholic Church and has nothing to do with the origins of Christianity. I would agree with you in regards to the control element as that was the whole point of it. The Roman Empire was worried about the rise in Christianity and used this as a move from Paganism to Christianity. This has nothing to do with being a Christian or the teachings of Jesus, these are man made rules and doctrines which people seem to follow blindly.

YouTube - Revelation 17 Whore Babylon Antichrist - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toBOML5W4uQ&feature=PlayList&p=E606523DDF872B99&index=3)

I was suggesting to you in regards to the teachings of Lucifer, that although you may not be aware and in no uncertain terms purposefully worshipping him. The fact that all your teachings comes from man made sources and not from Jesus leaves you wide open, especially when you use terms like enlightened in the context that you used it, meaning you have attained a higher level of spirituality but not from God. If it's not from Jesus then who??

BlueAngel
09-08-2008, 07:06 PM
I see that perhaps you are becoming nervous, outofthebox. You're beginning to rush through your posts in rapid pace. You're becoming frustrated because you realize that you are ignorant now.

Your logical fallacies of ad homenim are really atrocious and pathetic to watch. You're like a wild animal caught in a cage raging, raging. You cannot even complete or formulate an entire idea.

You need therapy.

Sounds like something one would hear during a mind control hypnosis session.

Could be the reason for the banter on this thread.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 08:43 PM
Sounds like something one would hear during a mind control hypnosis session.

Could be the reason for the banter on this thread.

I'm simply saying that I wish people here would stop being so nervous around me. I come as an emissary of peace. Stop being so jumpy and spooked. We are not here to harm you, but to help you. There is no reason to be scared, or to shiver with fear, or to run off screaming at your wit's end.

Thank you.

--Fra N.

BlueAngel
09-08-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm simply saying that I wish people here would stop being so nervous around me. I come as an emissary of peace. Stop being so jumpy and spooked. We are not here to harm you, but to help you. There is no reason to be scared, or to shiver with fear, or to run off screaming at your wit's end.

Thank you.

--Fra N.

Ah, WE?

Do you have more than one personality in there?

I haven't observed anyone on this forum who appears to be in the state of mind you SUGGEST (operative word: SUGGEST) when around you.

Leonardo
09-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Ah, WE?

Do you have more than one personality in there?

I haven't observed anyone on this forum who appears to be in the state of mind you SUGGEST (operative word: SUGGEST) when around you.

Well, I have. And want it to stop. All of your slander against me suggests that you are simply reacting out of fear to my charm, charisma, invincible aura, great looks, and ingenium.

I want you and everyone else to just relax a little bit. I want you know that not only am I Frater, I'm also a friend.

Ozziecynic
09-09-2008, 02:11 AM
That's just plain BS.

What you deny I know my european history or you deny my dialectic!.


It's the same for me. The only difference is that for me God = nature itself, whereas you believe in some imaginary God outside of nature.


.k so your a Pantheist Now sheesh you sure do jump around alot with those creeds of yours what next!!:rolleyes: You still sound like Madame Blatavstsky or Anne Beasant Aussie hippie prophet Leadbeater!.
Remeber krisnamurti that poor old indian gent he still cant figure why they called him the maitreya hell they even built temple for him on sydney harbour in 1929 & Giordiano bruno got the honour of Sydney AM radio station 2GB(2Giordano Bruno) still exists not that I find Allan Jones sounds anything like our mate giordano however I digress just some local Aussie history for you. Ofcause we know the theosophical folks the lovely people they are went to bigger and better things like the NAZIS Adolf swastika and ww2. Hell the swastika is still in their their logo just like the eternal snake baiting its tail ring thing.

No Catholic seriously puts the Pope at the same level as God or Jesus.

They do ofcause, however catholic clergy are spiteful pagans and the average catholics just arent thinkers so they wouldnt be aware of just how antichrist they really are!. However your anti christian remeber so no need to defend them or have you now corporated the catholic pope into your pantheon of pagan gods & goddesses.


Hardly. The goals and methods of the NWO are oposite of mine

Look identical to me!

I'm not a Buddhist. Also, Buddhism doesn't require full ascetism any more than Catholicism or Protestantism.

Sure most eclectic revisionism is like that doesnt mean its genuine though no more than a tofu burger is genuine asian cusine.



Like I said, I'm not a Buddhist. I see a lot of good in Buddhism, but I'm more into Vedanta Hinduism and esoteric Asatru myself.

Frankly i dont think you know whether you think your arthur or martha!:rolleyes::D

The Bible is written by man and full of rubbish. Kantian philosophy and Vedic philosophy are also written by man but they're far more logical.

Ofcause however I am not entirely logical neither is God!.

The universe makes perfect sense without the existence of "God" as you see it.

The universe makes sense like this, however its full of televangelists,War mongers,sexual freaks and enforced like Police state.I prefer an alternative.

When I use the term "enlightenment", I'm using it as a reference to the higher (or a higher) level of understanding of the universe. I'm not referring to the Englightenment movement or to the mythical figure of Lucifer... which should have been obvious from the contect.

Both ideas come from the same source. However neither form of enlightening however thus far seems to lead to much enlightening just more grey haired hippies whom expect me to fund their retirement.:D

Out of the Box
09-09-2008, 07:13 AM
First, I never claimed to be able to spell.

I find it hard to take people seriously when they can't even spell correctly. Is English your first, your second or your third language?

For the record : English is my third language ;)

Secondly, your statements are every one of them under the classification of logical fallacies.

... says the bible thumper :D

Feel free to elaborate.

And your understanding of the documentary history of the Bible is woeful.

It is? Feel free to correct me, then.

You need to go to an accredited 4 year university and get a B.A. in the Liberal Arts, Theology, and Philosophy.

I have some experience as a graphic designer and I've done lots of private study with regards to history, philosophy and politics. I even obtained a private library of several hundred volumes for this purpose. That's a lot more valuable than a BA in any of those subjects.

Rather than a BA in Liberal Arts, Theology or Philosophy, I obtained a BA in IT, which enables me to earn quite a decent income and get a job wherever I want.

Then you will understand that your level of thinking is so far beneath even the most base levels of logical discussion, that you will become ill and loathe yourself for realizing just how apeish and low your level of thinking was before.

... says the bible thumper :D

I see that perhaps you are becoming nervous, outofthebox. You're beginning to rush through your posts in rapid pace. You're becoming frustrated because you realize that you are ignorant now.

You're funny :D

You cannot even complete or formulate an entire idea.

What idea do you wish me to elaborate on? I'll show you how absurd that statement of yours really is.

Well actually NDE's are being monitored and logged by several different agencies in order to provide evidence of any patterns. One of the main things the skeptics could not argue about, was the fact that many of them could describe what was happening around them and what people had done and said, even when the brain monitoring machine was clearly showing their brain had died, one guy came back to life after 3 days in the morgue.

I'm not denying the possibility that the human consciousness/spirit and body can seperate for at least a short while. For example, remote viewing just may be genuine.

This is entirely irrelevant to our discussion, though.

The council of Nicea was the formation of the Catholic Church and has nothing to do with the origins of Christianity.

It was the Council of Nicea that decided which books would become part of the Catholic Bible and which books would become apocryphical. Hence, the Council of Nicea largely determined the perception of Christ in all Christian denominations, as their Bibles are all based on the Catholic Bible.

This has nothing to do with being a Christian or the teachings of Jesus, these are man made rules and doctrines which people seem to follow blindly.

Christianity is entirely man made as well as quite simplistic and naieve..

I was suggesting to you in regards to the teachings of Lucifer, that although you may not be aware and in no uncertain terms purposefully worshipping him. The fact that all your teachings comes from man made sources and not from Jesus leaves you wide open, especially when you use terms like enlightened in the context that you used it, meaning you have attained a higher level of spirituality but not from God. If it's not from Jesus then who??

Jesus may not even have existed... and if he did, there is no objective reason to believe he was anything but a common man. As long as you don't realise that, I don't see the point of arguing with you.

What you deny I know my european history or you deny my dialectic!.

The claim that logic cannot lead to real spirituality and that it inevitable leads to materialism. That's just plain wrong. Also, the problem Voltaire had with Christianity was its totalitarian dogmatism.

k so your a Pantheist Now sheesh you sure do jump around alot with those creeds of yours what next!!

Like I said, several times before : I belong to the Traditionalist school. Vedanta Hinduism (pantheist Hinduism) and esoteric Asatru (Germanic pantheism) are my main influences but not my only influences. The Traditionalist school is very anti-dogmatic in its spirituality and allows influences from many religions.

You still sound like Madame Blatavstsky or Anne Beasant Aussie hippie prophet Leadbeater!.

That's just your ignorance speaking.

Ofcause we know the theosophical folks the lovely people they are went to bigger and better things like the NAZIS Adolf swastika and ww2. Hell the swastika is still in their their logo just like the eternal snake baiting its tail ring thing.

There is no link between the Theosophical Society and the "nazis". In fact, most occult organisations were declared illegal in Hitler Germany. This includes both the Theosophical Society and the Thule Society.

The swastika is and was a holy symbol in many religions all over the world. It's possible the oldest holy symbol in the world. Hitler was far from the first to use it and it's still used in various Asian cultures.

Also, I'd like to point out that Hitler wasn't pure evil ad the NWO wants you to believe. He was actually only defending Germany against the NWO and its agents and accusations of genocide are pure black-ops propaganda.

They do ofcause, however catholic clergy are spiteful pagans and the average catholics just arent thinkers so they wouldnt be aware of just how antichrist they really are!. However your anti christian remeber so no need to defend them or have you now corporated the catholic pope into your pantheon of pagan gods & goddesses.

Catholicism does contain some pagan elements, which is why I still prefer it to many Protestant denominations. Nevertheless, I'm not a supporter of Catholicism.

Hardly. The goals and methods of the NWO are oposite of mine
Look identical to me!

That's because you're utterly ignorant.

Sure most eclectic revisionism is like that doesnt means its genuine though no more than a tofu burger is genuine asian cusine.

The vast majority of Asian Buddhists does not lead a fully ascetic life.

Ofcause however I am not entirely logical neither is God!.

The universe is entirely logical. Why would it be created by an illogical divinity?

The universe makes sense like this, however its full of televangelists,War mongers,sexual freaks and enforced like Police state.

That's because Judaism, Christianity, humanism and liberalism seriously messed up the world.

Both ideas come from the same source. However neither form of enlightening however thus far seems to lead to much enlightening just more grey haired hippies whom expect me to fund their retirement.

Again, that's just your ignorance speaking.

Leonardo
09-09-2008, 07:39 AM
I find it hard to take people seriously when they can't even spell correctly. Is English your first, your second or your third language?

For the record : English is my third language ;)



... says the bible thumper :D

Feel free to elaborate.



It is? Feel free to correct me, then.



I have some experience as a graphic designer and I've done lots of private study with regards to history, philosophy and politics. I even obtained a private library of several hundred volumes for this purpose. That's a lot more valuable than a BA in any of those subjects.

Rather than a BA in Liberal Arts, Theology or Philosophy, I obtained a BA in IT, which enables me to earn quite a decent income and get a job wherever I want.



... says the bible thumper :D



You're funny :D



What idea do you wish me to elaborate on? I'll show you how absurd that statement of yours really is.



I'm not denying the possibility that the human consciousness/spirit and body can seperate for at least a short while. For example, remote viewing just may be genuine.

This is entirely irrelevant to our discussion, though.



It was the Council of Nicea that decided which books would become part of the Catholic Bible and which books would become apocryphical. Hence, the Council of Nicea largely determined the perception of Christ in all Christian denominations, as their Bibles are all based on the Catholic Bible.



Christianity is entirely man made as well as quite simplistic and naieve..



Jesus may not even have existed... and if he did, there is no objective reason to believe he was anything but a common man. As long as you don't realise that, I don't see the point of arguing with you.



The claim that logic cannot lead to real spirituality and that it inevitable leads to materialism. That's just plain wrong. Also, the problem Voltaire had with Christianity was its totalitarian dogmatism.



Like I said, several times before : I belong to the Traditionalist school. Vedanta Hinduism (pantheist Hinduism) and esoteric Asatru (Germanic pantheism) are my main influences but not my only influences. The Traditionalist school is very anti-dogmatic in its spirituality and allows influences from many religions.



That's just your ignorance speaking.



There is no link between the Theosophical Society and the "nazis". In fact, most occult organisations were declared illegal in Hitler Germany. This includes both the Theosophical Society and the Thule Society.

The swastika is and was a holy symbol in many religions all over the world. It's possible the oldest holy symbol in the world. Hitler was far from the first to use it and it's still used in various Asian cultures.

Also, I'd like to point out that Hitler wasn't pure evil ad the NWO wants you to believe. He was actually only defending Germany against the NWO and its agents and accusations of genocide are pure black-ops propaganda.



Catholicism does contain some pagan elements, which is why I still prefer it to many Protestant denominations. Nevertheless, I'm not a supporter of Catholicism.



That's because you're utterly ignorant.



The vast majority of Asian Buddhists does not lead a fully ascetic life.



The universe is entirely logical. Why would it be created by an illogical divinity?



That's because Judaism, Christianity, humanism and liberalism seriously messed up the world.



Again, that's just your ignorance speaking.

You're just wrong, mate.

And more problematic, you're ignorant.

And you're envious of the love I and Blue Angel feel for each other.

Out of the Box
09-09-2008, 07:44 AM
You're just wrong, mate.

And more problematic, you're ignorant.

I guess you're all out of arguments if that's all you have to say :D

And you're envious of the love I and Blue Angel feel for each other.

I've had a steady relationship for about 5 years with a girl who has an MA in law and who's about to continue studying for a BA in IT. We've been living together for about a year now and own two dogs and a cat. Why the **** would I be envious of "the love you and Blue Angel feel for each other"?!? I wasn't even aware you were a couple, by the way.....

You seem very self-obsessed and insecure.

theonewillcome
09-09-2008, 07:46 AM
Christianity has nothing to do with this world being messed up, as all Christs teachings were divine, pure and full of truth. It is man in his arrogance, misinterpretation and his strive for knowledge about the universe and how it works, what it means etc, rather than faith in Christs teachings that has messed this world up.

I have no need to prove anything to you as the proof is in the pudding as they say. The Bible prophecies are unfolding, look at what is happening, the Neo con Zionists and the right wing Evangelist are pushing for armageddon, they are literaly trying to force it's happening through the use of US, UK, UN and Isreali foreign policy. This world in a very short space of time is not gonna know what's hit it. You think your arrogant higher form of spirituallity will save you?? I think not. Time will tell who you have alligned yourself with, don't leave it too late before the realisation hits you like a bus.

Leonardo
09-09-2008, 07:47 AM
I mean just look...this is how Blue Angel feels about my love.

Notice how well she speaks Russian.

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Leonardo
09-09-2008, 07:54 AM
Christianity has nothing to do with this world being messed up, as all Christs teachings were divine, pure and full of truth. It is man in his arrogance, misinterpretation and his strive for knowledge about the universe and how it works, what it means etc, rather than faith in Christs teachings that has messed this world up.

I have no need to prove anything to you as the proof is in the pudding as they say. The Bible prophecies are unfolding, look at what is happening, the Neo con Zionists and the right wing Evangelist are pushing for armageddon, they are literaly trying to force it's happening through the use of US, UK, UN and Isreali foreign policy. This world in a very short space of time is not gonna know what's hit it. You think your arrogant higher form of spirituallity will save you?? I think not. Time will tell who you have alligned yourself with, don't leave it too late before the realisation hits you like a bus.

You needed the use the gerand when saying, "man in his arrogance, misinterpretation and 'stiving' for knowledge."

But it's ok, I liked those thoughts. Good thoughts, and a very good answer to outofthebox.

Out of the Box
09-09-2008, 07:57 AM
Christianity has nothing to do with this world being messed up, as all Christs teachings were divine, pure and full of truth.

Hardly.

It is man in his arrogance, misinterpretation and his strive for knowledge about the universe and how it works, what it means etc, rather than faith in Christs teachings that has messed this world up.

Faith in Christ's teachings is wrong to begin with.

I have no need to prove anything to you as the proof is in the pudding as they say. The Bible prophecies are unfolding, look at what is happening, the Neo con Zionists and the right wing Evangelist are pushing for armageddon, they are literaly trying to force it's happening through the use of US, UK, UN and Isreali foreign policy. This world in a very short space of time is not gonna know what's hit it.

Hindus also warned for the great destruction (the end of the Kali Yuga) and Asatruar did the same (Ragnarok). The "end of times" concept in Christianity is actually derived from older pagan religions. The fact that Western society is about to collapse doesn't prove that the Bible is more than just another book written by man.

You think your arrogant higher form of spirituallity will save you??

Spirituality won't save anyone from the great destruction, whether it's Christian spirituality or pagan spirituality. Whether or not we survive, will probably depend on luck and preparation.

Time will tell who you have alligned yourself with, don't leave it too late before the realisation hits you like a bus.

I won't. I definitely won't.




I mean just look...this is how Blue Angel feels about my love.

Why should I care about your love life?

Leonardo
09-09-2008, 08:05 AM
Hardly.



Faith in Christ's teachings is wrong to begin with.



Hindus also warned for the great destruction (the end of the Kali Yuga) and Asatruar did the same (Ragnarok). The "end of times" concept in Christianity is actually derived from older pagan religions. The fact that Western society is about to collapse doesn't prove that the Bible is more than just another book written by man.



Spirituality won't save anyone from the great destruction, whether it's Christian spirituality or pagan spirituality. Whether or not we survive, will probably depend on luck and preparation.



I won't. I definitely won't.






Why should I care about your love life?

No. It is quite obvious that you are experiencing an oedipus complex at this time in your life. And need to think in depth about the influence of your mother on your life.

Out of the Box
09-09-2008, 08:31 AM
No. It is quite obvious that you are experiencing an oedipus complex at this time in your life. And need to think in depth about the influence of your mother on your life.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Just because I'm not interested in your relationship with BlueAngel and because I'm not a Christian, I have an "Oedipus Complex"? You have a seriously twisted mind....

BlueAngel
09-09-2008, 06:26 PM
You're just wrong, mate.

And more problematic, you're ignorant.

And you're envious of the love I and Blue Angel feel for each other.

QUOTE!

BlueAngel
09-09-2008, 06:26 PM
I mean just look...this is how Blue Angel feels about my love.

Notice how well she speaks Russian.

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QUOTE!

BlueAngel
09-09-2008, 08:23 PM
:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Just because I'm not interested in your relationship with BlueAngel and because I'm not a Christian, I have an "Oedipus Complex"? You have a seriously twisted mind....

You couldn't actually believe that WE have a relationship.

Boy, you're easily tricked and fooled by an obvious TROLL and DA.

Or, playing dumb?

In doing so, you have aligned yourself with him.

I suggest you go back and read the COINTELPRO thread.

Leonardo
09-09-2008, 08:28 PM
You couldn't actually believe that WE have a relationship.

Boy, you're easily tricked and fooled by an obvious TROLL and DA.

Or, playing dumb?

In doing so, you have aligned yourself with him.

I suggest you go back and read the COINTELPRO thread.

What's a DA? Is that some sort of acronym? Dynamic Artist. Data Architect. Dinosaur Artifact?

BeenThereDoneThat
09-10-2008, 12:13 AM
Ba..hush...let Them Argue...who Cares About The Thread Topic? Jesus Is Not The One! That Is A Truth That Highlights All Conspiracy....and Proves There Is No Conspiracy....only Choice!

The Best Thing About The Usa...we Can Believe Wtf We Want To Believe! For Realz:d

BlueAngel
09-10-2008, 12:19 AM
Ba..hush...let Them Argue...who Cares About The Thread Topic? Jesus Is Not The One! That Is A Truth That Highlights All Conspiracy....and Proves There Is No Conspiracy....only Choice!

The Best Thing About The Usa...we Can Believe Wtf We Want To Believe! For Realz:d

Don't tell me to hush and for your information, I wasn't attempting to stop an argument between any of the posters on this thread.

Try reading my written word before you comment on it.

Leonardo
09-10-2008, 12:44 AM
Ba..hush...let Them Argue...who Cares About The Thread Topic? Jesus Is Not The One! That Is A Truth That Highlights All Conspiracy....and Proves There Is No Conspiracy....only Choice!

The Best Thing About The Usa...we Can Believe Wtf We Want To Believe! For Realz:d

Actually, Jesus is the 1. He is the only 1 who has been and will be. He is the only 1 who brought in the 1 consciousness of the 1. There was no consciousness of a 1 before Xristos Iesus. There were conjectures about the 1, but there was no manifested consciousness of the 1. Jesus is the 1 because he is, but also because he brought into the world a unique LOGOS about 1 in All. And in Xristos Annointed, I am not myself, but 1 in him and a componant part of His Neo Cosmic Body.

And yes, in the United States, as in all other places at all times, you are free to choose Universal Truth or Universal Lie.

It's a matter of Life or Death.

Leonardo
09-10-2008, 01:27 AM
The days of the Illuminati and all the falsehood and iniquity they have committed will be coming to an explosive end.

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Leonardo
09-10-2008, 01:31 AM
Want to play magic tricks with me, BeenThereDoneThat?

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--Fra N. 0=1

Out of the Box
09-10-2008, 05:33 AM
You couldn't actually believe that WE have a relationship.

I honestly couldn't care less whether you do or don't.

Boy, you're easily tricked and fooled by an obvious TROLL and DA.

Or, playing dumb?

On this site, I can't distinguish the trolls from the serious posters. The quality of the average post is much too low for that :p

Ozziecynic
09-10-2008, 07:49 AM
OTB: Rhetoric and Sophistry games have been energy taxing and time consuming although somewhat enjoyable to the Logos side of my brain yes it does exist however this pointless and time wasting I now declare my side of the grand dialectic closed!!
Perhaps a white toast pagan like yourself can argue it out with Sabbatean jew pagan like "Been there done That" I dont know just a suggestion dont bother baiting me any longer with pointless rhetoric and sophistry I am humble believer in the Christ of Nazereth nothing more leave me be.:cool:

Ozziecynic
09-11-2008, 05:21 AM
For all those pagans in this thread that have just argued against a belief in God and Jeusus Christ. I have only one further question what do you possibly have to fear from Global Government, Global Police State, RFID Chips etc.. for Goyim you should be welcoming it with open arms!!.:confused:

Out of the Box
09-11-2008, 06:10 AM
For all those pagans in this thread that have just argued against a belief in God and Jeusus Christ. I have only one further question what do you possibly have to fear from Global Government, Global Police State, RFID Chips etc.. for Goyim you should be welcoming it with open arms!!.:confused:

Quite the contrary. The New World Order police state is almost the exact oposite of the desired form of government for a pagan. As a pagan, I object to its humanist foundations, to its totalitarian tendencies, to its materialism, to its anthropocentrism, to its globalism, etc.

theonewillcome
09-11-2008, 08:01 AM
For all you non believers, take the time and watch this short film, it just might save you!!

Bill Wiese 23 minutes in Hell (http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/BillWiese_23MinutesInHell_Text.htm)

Out of the Box
09-11-2008, 08:43 AM
Bill Wiese saw the searing flames of hell, felt total isolation, and experienced the putrid and rotting stench, deafening screams of agony, terrorizing demons, and finally, the strong hand of God lifting him out of the pit.

ROFL.

Either he's lying his @$$ off or he had some LSD-like hallucination. Nevertheless, I can't imagine how any of you can take an absurd fantasy like that for real.

BeenThereDoneThat
09-11-2008, 10:23 AM
Here ozzie...read this 2002 article you Jew hater!:D

theonewillcome
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
I can't believe your arrogance!! I suppose the 11 million US citizens who have reported and had recorded their NDE's are all liars as well. You best hope for your sake he was on LSD.

BlueAngel
09-11-2008, 06:35 PM
I can't believe your arrogance!! I suppose the 11 million US citizens who have reported and had recorded their NDE's are all liars as well. You best hope for your sake he was on LSD.

Don't most NDE's report a bright, white light and not the fiery pits of hell?

Out of the Box
09-11-2008, 06:44 PM
I can't believe your arrogance!! I suppose the 11 million US citizens who have reported and had recorded their NDE's are all liars as well.

An NDE is a well-established phenomenon that was even experienced by my own father. It is unclear whether this phenomenon is physical (a hallucination caused by lack of oxygen or other substances in the brain), metaphysical (the beginning of a passing between two worlds) or both. Nevertheless, an NDE certainly can be explained beyond the Christian context.

Don't most NDE's report a bright, white light and not the fiery pits of hell?

Indeed. My father's NDE reported a synopsis of his own life, followed by a black tunnel with a bright white light at the end. There was no mention of angels, demons or any other Christian reference.

BlueAngel
09-11-2008, 06:55 PM
I'm not keen on tunnels and I'm not looking forward to a black one, but as long as there's a bright light at the end and it's not hell, I'll be there.

Is this from where the saying, "there's light at the end of the tunnel" is derived?

:)

theonewillcome
09-11-2008, 07:06 PM
You are talking utter garbage!!

Most doctors have no answer to these happenings,as they have no way of explaining how some whose bodies and more importantly, their brains are dead for over 10 mins and can recite everything that happened in and outside the room, even what people said.

Hallucinations are seen through the eyes, If the eyes are shut then it can't be a hallucination.

Here's the first of fourteen of a bunch of doctors, proffessors and clergy all discussing the phenomena.
.
YouTube - 1-14 LIFE AFTER DEATH ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMcK1G45SQ8)

Out of the Box
09-11-2008, 07:16 PM
I'm not keen on tunnels and I'm not looking forward to a black one, but as long as there's a bright light at the end and it's not hell, I'll be there.

:D

Is this from where the saying, "there's light at the end of the tunnel" is derived?

Who knows?

Most doctors have no answer to these happenings

Actually, the claim that NDEs are hallucinations caused by brain failure is a claim commonly made by doctors.

they have no way of explaining how some whose bodies and more importantly, their brains are dead for over 10 mins and can recite everything that happened in and outside the room, even what people said.

The phenomenon you seem to be descibing is the phenomenon of "remote viewing". Remote viewing means that a person's spirit can leave his body and see his environment. People who train at this reportedly even make their spirit travel to any location on the planet. Although I'm very sceptical about this phenomenon, I don't exclude the possibility it's real. Nevertheless, remote viewing doesn't prove Christianity any more than NDEs (which is an entirely distinct concept).

Hallucinations are seen through the eyes, If the eyes are shut then it can't be a hallucination.

If the eyes are open, it's a hallucination. If the eyes are closed, it's a lucid dream.

theonewillcome
09-11-2008, 07:24 PM
Sounds like your ascended masters have been talking to you again.

Out of the Box
09-11-2008, 07:45 PM
Sounds like your ascended masters have been talking to you again.

I have no masters.

BeenThereDoneThat
09-11-2008, 10:43 PM
There is only one God. He is 'Lord of Hosts'. He is that he is and will always be.

He warned you of putting your trust in Jesus....look it up...Psalms 146.There is a clear disinction between a believer in christ and a believer in the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob. Read very close.This is a clear warning that a man(son of man, prince of peace) dies and in his last breath finds earth again misleading all of his followers(which call him :Son of man and prince of peace-look this up in your CHRISTIAN NEW TESTAMENT:Jesus's deciples call him those things.
Happy is the man....Psalms 146:)

God also becomes a friend to all of them that are strangers that believe in him. The God of the Jews lives forever. He is a JUST ROCK and SAVIOR.
Only HE is the KING!

Sorry...no further comment at the moment.

Out of the Box
09-12-2008, 03:15 AM
There is only one God. He is 'Lord of Hosts'. He is that he is and will always be.

The only "God" is nature itself. Everything else is mere fantasy.

Leonardo
09-12-2008, 04:16 AM
The only "God" is nature itself. Everything else is mere fantasy.

IHVH is the only God. Nature itself is mere fantasy.

..you little materialistic devilworshipper.

Out of the Box
09-12-2008, 04:52 AM
IHVH is the only God. Nature itself is mere fantasy.

..you little materialistic devilworshipper.

http://www.freewebs.com/jokesadvanced/laughing.gif

Are you a moron or do you merely pretend to be one?

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 05:37 AM
How can you possibly believe that nature is God?? That is moronic and is a Luciferian teaching.

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 06:26 AM
There is only one God. He is 'Lord of Hosts'. He is that he is and will always be.

He warned you of putting your trust in Jesus....look it up...Psalms 146.There is a clear disinction between a believer in christ and a believer in the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob. Read very close.This is a clear warning that a man(son of man, prince of peace) dies and in his last breath finds earth again misleading all of his followers(which call him :Son of man and prince of peace-look this up in your CHRISTIAN NEW TESTAMENT:Jesus's deciples call him those things.
Happy is the man....Psalms 146:)

God also becomes a friend to all of them that are strangers that believe in him. The God of the Jews lives forever. He is a JUST ROCK and SAVIOR.
Only HE is the KING!

Sorry...no further comment at the moment.

I fail to see where God warns us of putting our trust in Jesus in Psalms 146, he spoke of not trusting human leaders, so stop adding to scripture. It was from Jesus where the quote "son of man" originated, he also said I am in the Father and the Father is in me, meaning God and Jesus were as one. Our bodies return to the earth from whence they came, our spirits belong to God. Jesus wanted us to eminate him in order to come to the Father, by God saying do not put your trust in human leaders, he is referring to the fact that humans without God are lies and disorder. As someone from Jewish faith you are totally contradicting yourself with that statement, as you followed Kings Saul, David and Soloman who correct me if i'm mistaken were human leaders. The point is they may have been human, but as long as they stayed loyal to God and did as he asked no harm would befall the children of Israel. However we know from scriptures that as they were human, when they disobeyed God he punished them as a man punishes his child.

God made a new covenant with is through Jesus his son, the Jews rejected this just as they have rejected most of the prophets who proclaimed the word of God and the same as the times through history where they turned away from God and worshipped false idols and were punished.

Without Jesus dying for our sins we would all be doomed for eternity, the scriptures of revelation are being fulfilled as we speak, Jesus will soon return in full glory for all to see, Hallelujah, Amen. :p

BeenThereDoneThat
09-12-2008, 09:57 AM
Happy is the man......
read into it and add to the scripture your ignorant interpretation...but still it warns of JESUS! WTF are you reading? Psalms 146...again....Put not your trust in princes...nor in the son of man....

BeenThereDoneThat
09-12-2008, 10:04 AM
I don't believe your christ interpretation, but you know that the one will come...He is that he is and is with out a name.He is in nature ...YES...something christians can't figure.He is everything!

I sense that you EVIL self proclaimed wana be christians are as bad as you want everyone to think I am. I am better than you think.


There is only one God. He is that he is."I am that I am"...no one marked those words in red, because they dont want you to read it.
had all of Gods words been in red, JESUS would be caught lying red handed by the ignorant as well.


Christians vs. the World....good luck!

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 10:32 AM
Happy is the man......
read into it and add to the scripture your ignorant interpretation...but still it warns of JESUS! WTF are you reading? Psalms 146...again....Put not your trust in princes...nor in the son of man....

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>146:1 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16343/eVerseID/16343/RTD/mh/version/gnb) Praise the LORD! Praise the LORD, my soul!
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:2 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16344/eVerseID/16344/RTD/mh/version/gnb) I will praise him as long as I live; I will sing to my God all my life.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:3 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16345/eVerseID/16345/RTD/mh/version/gnb) Don't put your trust in human leaders; no human being can save you.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:4 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16346/eVerseID/16346/RTD/mh/version/gnb) When they die, they return to the dust; on that day all their plans come to an end.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:5 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16347/eVerseID/16347/RTD/mh/version/gnb) Happy are those who have the God of Jacob to help them and who depend on the LORD their God,
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:6 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16348/eVerseID/16348/RTD/mh/version/gnb) the Creator of heaven, earth, and sea, and all that is in them. He always keeps his promises;
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:7 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16349/eVerseID/16349/RTD/mh/version/gnb) he judges in favor of the oppressed and gives food to the hungry. The LORD sets prisoners free
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:8 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16350/eVerseID/16350/RTD/mh/version/gnb) and gives sight to the blind. He lifts those who have fallen; he loves his righteous people.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:9 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16351/eVerseID/16351/RTD/mh/version/gnb) He protects the strangers who live in our land; he helps widows and orphans, but takes the wicked to their ruin.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>146:10 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/19/sChap/146/sVerse/1/sVerseID/16343/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/gnb/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16352/eVerseID/16352/RTD/mh/version/gnb) The LORD is king forever. Your God, O Zion, will reign for all time. Praise the LORD!

Nope sorry can't find those words in either the Good News or this from the KJV.
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theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 10:40 AM
Happy is the man......
read into it and add to the scripture your ignorant interpretation...but still it warns of JESUS! WTF are you reading? Psalms 146...again....Put not your trust in princes...nor in the son of man....

Why did you not leave your original text? It shows up your personality so much better!!

Original text:

Happy is the man......
read into it and add to the scripture your ignorant interpretation...but still it warns of JESUS! WTF are you reading? Psalms 146...again....Put not your trust in princes...nor in the son of man....

MATHEW MARK LUKE AND PAUL called JESUS all of the things this psalm warns of. FACT BEOTCH!


If this is going to be a name calling session then FUCK ALL YOU CUNTS! That is modern day 2008 finger in your face truth. F U!

Out of the Box
09-12-2008, 10:46 AM
You're an idiot...

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 10:59 AM
You're an idiot...

Do i perceive certain people getting annoyed and resorting to name calling, because they lack the truth in order to back up their distorted claims???

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 01:55 PM
Here you are Mr Science, if you can be bothered then watch these.

the great flood - Google Video (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+great+flood&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+great+flo#q=a%20universal%20flood&emb=0)

amazing discoveries - Google Video (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=amazing+discoveries&emb=0#q=amazing%20discoveries%20dinosaurs&emb=0)

BeenThereDoneThat
09-12-2008, 04:45 PM
Start here. In Jesus 's own words he calls himself the Son of man Matthew 13 :37- His answer was...?

Try mark 14:41...and if you need more on SON OF MAN just holler.

John 14 refers to the prince as a ruler and....Get a Strongs...You need one~ TA TA !


Christians V.S. THE WORLD!

theonewillcome
09-12-2008, 05:13 PM
Why did you not leave your original text? It shows up your personality so much better!!

Original text:

Happy is the man......
read into it and add to the scripture your ignorant interpretation...but still it warns of JESUS! WTF are you reading? Psalms 146...again....Put not your trust in princes...nor in the son of man....

MATHEW MARK LUKE AND PAUL called JESUS all of the things this psalm warns of. FACT BEOTCH!


If this is going to be a name calling session then FUCK ALL YOU CUNTS! That is modern day 2008 finger in your face truth. F U!

Lets go back a step, as it seems you've lost yourself along the way.

In regards to the above quote you were damning Jesus because of the words in Psalm 146, implying he is a fake. At no point have i denied whats written in the new testament by Christs disciples.

I have read Psalm 146 and found no reference to the implications you first quoted.

I inserted Psalm 146 word for word and the meaning written is a far cry from what you were implying.

Ring any bells??

The truth can be manipulated and twisted along the way, but will always reveal itself in the long run.

theonewillcome
09-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Here's one for your eastern religon, i thought it might interest you.

YouTube - Hidden Agendas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qnXysb6HTA)

BeenThereDoneThat
09-13-2008, 02:09 PM
Lost cause here....Jesus freak is a Jesus freak is a Jesus freak. I don't expect anything more here...been judged, acused, and lied to(something most have learned to do by being hypocrites and condemning others-I on the other hand Judge EYE for an EYE...so shall it be then). LOL:cool:

BeenThereDoneThat
09-13-2008, 02:18 PM
You say your saved yet condemn us Jewish God believers because we dont suck up like you do. Is it a conspiracy then that christians go to hell(get erased) because they condemn when the should shut the 'F' up?

My personality is that of: I would slay the christians if(I said IF) it was legal to do so...Thank God he will do it himself.

the day will come.So will the one. His name is'I am that I am' 'Lord of Hosts' Almighty King...God.


I am sure you want it to be Jesus. lol.

I think hell is just being forgotten.

Leonardo
09-13-2008, 10:09 PM
I'm a Jesus Freak? I was just trying to be disciple and live an honest life and help the world to repair and restore from it's damage.

BUT I DON"T REALLY CARE IF THEY"RE CALLIN' ME A JEESSUSS FREEAK!

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redrat11
09-14-2008, 04:44 AM
New Age gods of the modern western world. (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message578345/pg1)




Well, golly gee,



YouTube - 1-13 GODS of the NEW AGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5RXnCWHB0Q)

redrat11
09-14-2008, 05:11 AM
If JEWS invented "religion' then it will it end with there destruction, as according to there own writings. MORONS, real TORAH, JEWS follow CHRIST WORDS, therefore, WE< (GET THIS>>>>>WE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS<<<<<) we REJECT all your BS, WE ACCEPT CHRIST. I really want to hear someone tell a CHRIST JEW he is wrong???

theonewillcome
09-14-2008, 01:43 PM
Lost cause here....Jesus freak is a Jesus freak is a Jesus freak. I don't expect anything more here...been judged, acused, and lied to(something most have learned to do by being hypocrites and condemning others-I on the other hand Judge EYE for an EYE...so shall it be then). LOL:cool:

An eye for an eye eh!! Whatever you bestow upon others, will be bestowed upon thyself. If you wish someone dead like you mentioned in a later message, then that wish will be bestowed upon you.

On one hand you call people hypocrites for judging you, yet on the other you JUDGE eye for an eye.

Now who is judging??

May God forgive you for such evil thoughts.

Ozziecynic
09-15-2008, 05:30 AM
Just as a kind of reminder to all posters here as i think these forums like cc are constantly in need of being reminded as memories are short and trolls frequent.This is the kind of thing the NWO is about. Heres some interviews from ex occult insiders regarding world government. I garauntee you its pagan origins through and through. They aint christian one little bit.

YouTube - Ex Illuminati Leo Zagami interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM&feature=related)


YouTube - Ex Illuminati Leo Zagami interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM&feature=related)

YouTube - Ex-Illuminati Programmer Svali interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUnuW8fSrU&feature=related)

theonewillcome
09-15-2008, 08:22 AM
Just as a kind of reminder to all posters here as i think these forums like cc are constantly in need of being reminded as memories are short and trolls frequent.This is the kind of thing the NWO is about. Heres some interviews from ex occult insiders regarding world government. I garauntee you its pagan origins through and through. They aint christian one little bit.

YouTube - Ex Illuminati Leo Zagami interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM&feature=related)


YouTube - Ex Illuminati Leo Zagami interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM&feature=related)

YouTube - Ex-Illuminati Programmer Svali interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUnuW8fSrU&feature=related)

Thanks Ozzie for your words of wisdom. A lot of people are becoming aware of the dangers that face us in these final times, it is in these times that we must act without selfishness and try to make people aware, as we have been fortunate enough to and warn them of the dangers in which they present themselves. I myself have lead a life without jesus and only recently been blessed with his love and feel it only right to pour those blessings upon others. Lucifer and the many control mechanisms in which he represents are becoming stronger daily as the time approaches of his unveiling.

May i recommend someone which i believe God is working through, to unveil satans web of deceipt. His name is Walter Feith and you can find his many lectures on youtube just by typing in his name. He covers many topics using quotes and written facts directly from the sources themselves backing them up against scriptures.

I hope you find them interesting and help to reinforce your faith that the Lord will prevail over evil.

God bless and pray for the speedy return of Jesus.

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 07:07 AM
Leo Zagami is an obvious hoax. His supposebly "top secret" documents contain too many errors to the English language to be taken seriously and therefore leave no doubt that his "testimonies" are made up.

You guys are pathetic.

theonewillcome
09-17-2008, 08:45 AM
Leo Zagami is an obvious hoax. His supposebly "top secret" documents contain too many errors to the English language to be taken seriously and therefore leave no doubt that his "testimonies" are made up.

You guys are pathetic.

Listen Mr devil worshipper, noone said they were legitimate, for myself i just found it interesting and i keep an open mind.

The Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits are a real threat, it's not made up, if you don't believe that then you really need your head tested. I understand fully that there is lots of disinformation flying around out there in order to discredit legitimate claims, you just have to stick to facts rather than hearsay.

Look up Morals and Dogma written by Albert Pike, although a secret book for high up initiates within these organisations, i'm sure there will be leaks out onto the internet.

The KJV Bible one of the best sources that has not been altered like a lot of others, clearly states who the antichrist is. Being a Pagan non believer like yourself, you don't believe any of it, however that is just your opinion and does not affect the truth.

If you compare the Roman Catholic (satans doctrine) bible, you can see that all of it aims at the same beliefs that you endorse and not the belief in Jesus Christ, he becomes secondary under Mary.

The main goals of these organisations is to form one world religion under one world government by causing Chaos to bring about order. All the world events today are not happening by chance, the plan is to divide and conquer in order so that people will submit to one control (EU) under one ruler (The Pope).

Like you ,they hate Christianity and true Judaism (not The Zionist loonies) and see it as the only real threat to their plan. Roman Catholicism may masquerade as a Christian Church but is really the force behind all the world troubles.

You need to do some homework before knocking other peoples beliefs.

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 09:51 AM
Listen Mr devil worshipper[...]

I don't worship either imaginary creatures ("God", the "devil") or real people. :rolleyes:

The Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits are a real threat, it's not made up

I never said they aren't.

The KJV Bible one of the best sources that has not been altered like a lot of others, clearly states who the antichrist is. Being a Pagan non believer like yourself, you don't believe any of it, however that is just your opinion and does not affect the truth.

If you compare the Roman Catholic (satans doctrine) bible, you can see that all of it aims at the same beliefs that you endorse and not the belief in Jesus Christ, he becomes secondary under Mary.

The KJV and the Catholic bible aren't that different. It is also complete nonsense to say that Mary is more important than Jesus in Catholicism.

Nevertheless, I don't care for either. Both are bunk.

The main goals of these organisations is to form one world religion under one world government by causing Chaos to bring about order. All the world events today are not happening by chance, the plan is to divide and conquer in order so that people will submit to one control (EU) under one ruler (The Pope).

Catholicism and the NWO/Illuminati are entirely distinct powers. It's not Catholicism but Judaism that's linked with the NWO/Illuminati.

Like you ,they hate Christianity and true Judaism (not The Zionist loonies) and see it as the only real threat to their plan. Roman Catholicism may masquerade as a Christian Church but is really the force behind all the world troubles.

Judaism and zionism are the force behind all the world troubles. Catholicism used to be the main power up until the French Revolution, but they lost most of their power ever since. Today, they're quite weak in especially the Western world.

You need to do some homework before knocking other peoples beliefs.

I've done my research. You're not even close !

theonewillcome
09-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Well actually you're wrong there, that's what they want you to believe.

Israel and the U.S are controlled by Zionist jews and adopt the Talmud principles over the Torah. The Talmud is a Kabbalistic book written by people in power and has nothing to do with the origins of Judaism. The Zionists and the Illuminati are one in the same.
it's all done in order to direct the blame away from the source, as the source will eventually destroy Israel and attempt to destroy Christianity by bringing the protestants back under the rule of the papacy. Islam was thought up and implimented by the Papacy to destroy Christianity at it's true source, which at that time flourished in the Middle East, did not follow romes principles was subsequently taken over by the Moors and Islam. The prophet Mohamed who was married to a catholic woman, implimeneted and succeeded with the Jesuit plot, forming Islam as we know it today. They also have a form of freemasonry which runs on the same lines as western lodges do, Noone gets into power without being a member and their alliegence lies with Rome.

Everyone such as the Goyim or sheeple who are the people under these power bases believe that we are all against eachother and are from different faiths, however the people at the top of the Pyramid know exactly where their alliegence lies and the people are just cattle to be duped and used as part of their evil One World Order plan.

Why do you think the Spanish Armada tried to invade England?? Because the Reformation that kicked Rome's power base from it's shores and allowed Christians to read the Bible and worship Jesus without being dictated to by Rome what to believe.

It's such a mass web of deciept, that you and i could debate this all forever and probably never agree as that's exactly what they want us to do. I know you don't believe in Christ and i won't knock you for your beliefs, as that's up to you but i warn you with all sincerity that they have you, with most of the planet totally duped.

BeenThereDoneThat
09-17-2008, 12:26 PM
"Listen Mr devil worshipper, noone said they were legitimate, for myself i just found it interesting and i keep an open mind.

The Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits are a real threat, it's not made up, if you don't believe that then you really need your head tested. I understand fully that there is lots of disinformation flying around out there in order to discredit legitimate claims, you just have to stick to facts rather than hearsay."---Theonewillcome



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Devil Worshipper? Did Christ give 'YOU CHRISTIANS' the power to JUDGE, the power to HATE and the POWER TO DETERMINE what is hearsay?(everything jesus said was hearsay)

HYPOCRITE.... YOU HAVE BEEN JUDGED AS WELL...the ONE really will come to kick your ass through the cosmos. He sees all..he is in the trees ...the air, in your head looking out and see's how f'n stupid you are.
I JUDGE YOU JESUS FREAKS AS DEVIL WORSHIPPERS because you turn away from the true God and worship an image and a wooden symbol(you also judge others so I will judge you as you judge). You go right ahead and keep adding to the record fool(s)...
This thread should have been titled HYPOCRITES v.s. the world because the only disinformation is that which the JESUS FREAKS disperse knowing that they cause war:eek:.
A TRUE SAVED CHRISTIAN WOULD STFU! Those are the Christains I respect!:rolleyes:

BeenThereDoneThat
09-17-2008, 12:29 PM
Denounce Christ and find true salvation. God is KING!:) When you do this you will understand.:eek:

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 12:38 PM
Well actually you're wrong there, that's what they want you to believe.

:rolleyes:

Israel and the U.S are controlled by Zionist jews and adopt the Talmud principles over the Torah. The Talmud is a Kabbalistic book written by people in power and has nothing to do with the origins of Judaism.

Torah and Talmud principles aren't that different. They're both essentially Jewish and repulsive.

Kabbalah, on the other hand, is of an entirely different. It is based on Mesopotamic occultism and inherently pagan. Unlike Torah and Talmud, however, Kaballah is quite harmless.

The Zionists and the Illuminati are one in the same.

Zionism is a political group that's alligned with NWO/Illuminati interests. Mosts zionists are entirely unaware of the NWO/Illuminati, though.

it's all done in order to direct the blame away from the source, as the source will eventually destroy Israel and attempt to destroy Christianity by bringing the protestants back under the rule of the papacy.

ROFL

Actually, the NWO is far more in tune with protestantism than Catholicism. Catholicism is an old and powerful enemy of theirs, while some protestant denominations are largely under their control in countries like the US. Think of Evangelicals, for instance, who're easily manipulated into worshiping the Jews and the Bush administration.

Anyway, the claim that the NWO wants to bring protestants back under the rule of papacy is plain ridiculous.

Islam was thought up and implimented by the Papacy to destroy Christianity at it's true source, which at that time flourished in the Middle East, did not follow romes principles was subsequently taken over by the Moors and Islam.

That's just plain ridiculous. Christianity and Islam were competing religions in the Mesopotamian sphere of influence and frequently battled one another in the struggle for dominance. Islam is far from a Catholic conspiracy.

They also have a form of freemasonry which runs on the same lines as western lodges do, Noone gets into power without being a member and their alliegence lies with Rome.

Your obsession with the Vatican is plain foolish and absurd, really. Catholics are no less than protestants the victims of Jews and freemasons.

Why do you think the Spanish Armada tried to invade England?? Because the Reformation that kicked Rome's power base from it's shores and allowed Christians to read the Bible and worship Jesus without being dictated to by Rome what to believe.

There has definitely been a power struggle between protestantism and catholicism, but it's Catholicism that lost in the end. The most powerful nation in the world (the US) is a largely protestant nation and most Western-European Catholics have lost their faith decades ago. Protestantism also created the first crack in Catholic dogma, and thereby indirectly planted the seeds for atheist humanism.

It's such a mass web of deciept, that you and i could debate this all forever and probably never agree as that's exactly what they want us to do. I know you don't believe in Christ and i won't knock you for your beliefs, as that's up to you but i warn you with all sincerity that they have you, with most of the planet totally duped.

At least we both realise the world is being controlled by a bunch of much too powerful madmen. That's already more than most people seem to realise.

Out of the Box
09-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Denounce Christ and find true salvation. God is KING!:) When you do this you will understand.:eek:

Both of you should quit smoking pot and start reading some serious literature instead of primitive 2000-year-old mythology. :rolleyes:

BeenThereDoneThat
09-17-2008, 04:20 PM
That or find him for your selves. What ever any of ya believe, I see Christianity as the big lie , and the natural Great Spirit, God , is king of all. What ever happens from this day forward...THE WORLD IS F'd up...it will take more than a hand shake to negotiate the truth. Therefore...NWO/OWN. Some one will stop the game.

Tell the devil what you want for your souls....I think you christians are the devil.
I personally feel satans grip on christianity created the DEVIL WITH SPIKED HORNS that ye all fear so damn bad that you run to Jesus and then throw rocks at everyone else. COME DOWN HERE AND TOSS PEBBLES...WE WILL STONE YOU!. Look to the Rock from which you are hewn. Peace is a state of mind...

There is ONE God...I have been saying it all along. He is everywhere. He implanted you. He sees what you see and hears what you hear. He is God.
Christianity is a MISTRESS and the POPE is NOT the anti-christ. Judgemental Christians that call the speakers DEVIL WORSHIPERS and SATANS sons are the very ones that are the evil ones themselves. Lets get this on the table...Jesus as the ONLY way is an insult to all faiths. I am very insulted...all is fair in love and war huh?

The onesyou all should fear are the crusading republicans. THESE ARE THE SONS OF SATAN! Eye for an eye.;)

BlueAngel
09-17-2008, 08:54 PM
Could someone please explain what this thread is about?

There are many Christian's in the world and our politicians play on that.

If they espouse that they are Christians, as Obama does, they attract the same.

Yet, Obama's pastor states that it is not God Bless America but GOD DAMN America.

That's not Christian or anything else.

GOD doesn't reside in our churches.

He resides in our hearts.

You don't need a preacher man to tell you how to to get to heaven.

You already know that.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!

Plain and simple.

Leonardo
09-18-2008, 12:05 AM
Could someone please explain what this thread is about?

There are many Christian's in the world and our politicians play on that.

If they espouse that they are Christians, as Obama does, they attract the same.

Yet, Obama's pastor states that it is not God Bless America but GOD DAMN America.

That's not Christian or anything else.

GOD doesn't reside in our churches.

He resides in our hearts.

You don't need a preacher man to tell you how to to get to heaven.

You already know that.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!

Plain and simple.


Wow, that is really hot. Your husband is a lucky man.

I wish I could find a girl who would whisper things like that in my ear.

theonewillcome
09-18-2008, 03:35 AM
Denounce Christ and find true salvation. God is KING!:) When you do this you will understand.:eek:

Seeing as you denounce Christ the Lamb of God, the one who put an end to offerings.

I guess you must still be slaughtering lambs at the alter on a regular basis??

Because if you don't then you are a hypocrite!!

theonewillcome
09-18-2008, 04:22 AM
:rolleyes:

Torah and Talmud principles aren't that different. They're both essentially Jewish and repulsive.

No!! One is from God and the other is a man made repulsive doctrine.

Kabbalah, on the other hand, is of an entirely different. It is based on Mesopotamic occultism and inherently pagan. Unlike Torah and Talmud, however, Kaballah is quite harmless.

Ha ha harmless!! At least you have a sense of humour.

Zionism is a political group that's alligned with NWO/Illuminati interests. Mosts zionists are entirely unaware of the NWO/Illuminati, though.

You are so blinded by your own opinions you fail to see the reality.

ROFL

Actually, the NWO is far more in tune with protestantism than Catholicism. Catholicism is an old and powerful enemy of theirs, while some protestant denominations are largely under their control in countries like the US. Think of Evangelicals, for instance, who're easily manipulated into worshiping the Jews and the Bush administration.

Protestantism is just a name, there are evil doers using this name as much as in every religion. The NWO is a satanic cult and want's every one to worship Lucifer under one world religion. All religions are being used to achieve this by the use of lies and deceipt.

Anyway, the claim that the NWO wants to bring protestants back under the rule of papacy is plain ridiculous.

Oh really?? Watch this space then.

That's just plain ridiculous. Christianity and Islam were competing religions in the Mesopotamian sphere of influence and frequently battled one another in the struggle for dominance. Islam is far from a Catholic conspiracy.

You really need to do your homework, you keep commenting how educated you are, when you are showing such ignorance of the facts.

"Ye shall seek the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Your obsession with the Vatican is plain foolish and absurd, really. Catholics are no less than protestants the victims of Jews and freemasons.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>17:1 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30977/eVerseID/30977/RTD/mh) And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore (church that has commited blaspemy) that sitteth upon many waters (people):
</TD></TR><TR><TD>17:2 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30978/eVerseID/30978/RTD/mh) With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (confused by her doctrine).
</TD></TR><TR><TD>17:3 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30979/eVerseID/30979/RTD/mh) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman (Church) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
</TD></TR><TR><TD>17:4 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30980/eVerseID/30980/RTD/mh) And the woman (Church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (ring any bells??):
</TD></TR><TR><TD>17:5 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30981/eVerseID/30981/RTD/mh) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT (Vicarius Fili Dei means replacement of the son of God, worn on the head of the Pope, in hebrew =666), THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (Catholic Church classes herself as the mother Church).
</TD></TR><TR><TD>17:6 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30982/eVerseID/30982/RTD/mh) And I saw the woman(Church) drunken with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (The Inquisition): and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration (could not believe what he saw).
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There has definitely been a power struggle between protestantism and catholicism, but it's Catholicism that lost in the end. The most powerful nation in the world (the US) is a largely protestant nation and most Western-European Catholics have lost their faith decades ago. Protestantism also created the first crack in Catholic dogma, and thereby indirectly planted the seeds for atheist humanism.

There have been so many lies put forth, i'm not surprised people have lost faith and do not believe. This suits the NWO as it falls right into their plan.


At least we both realise the world is being controlled by a bunch of much too powerful madmen. That's already more than most people seem to realise.

I'd have to agree with you totally, but not for long i might add.

Out of the Box
09-18-2008, 03:27 PM
No!! One is from God and the other is a man made repulsive doctrine.

There is no "God" involved in either book. They're both repulsive and both written by Jews.

Ha ha harmless!! At least you have a sense of humour.

Of all Jewish holy books, Kaballah is the most benign.

You are so blinded by your own opinions you fail to see the reality.

No I'm not. Besides... It doesn't even matter. Zionists and NWO/Illuminati are both dangerous groups who share the same agenda. Who cares whether or not they're merely allied, part of the same group or just entirely the same group?

The NWO is a satanic cult and want's every one to worship Lucifer under one world religion.

They're just way too powerful Jews and masons doing silly rituals to make themselves feel even more powerful.

All religions are being used to achieve this by the use of lies and deceipt.

Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are much easier to abuse than other religions.

Oh really?? Watch this space then.

WTF are you talking about?

You really need to do your homework, you keep commenting how educated you are, when you are showing such ignorance of the facts.

I live among mostly liberals, Catholics and Muslems. I understand these people far better than you do and I can tell you with certainty there is no link between Catholicism and Muslems. In fact, the most fanatic Catholics are usually the ones least comfortable around Muslems in this part of the world.

17:1 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30977/eVerseID/30977/RTD/mh) And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore (church that has commited blaspemy) that sitteth upon many waters (people):

17:2 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30978/eVerseID/30978/RTD/mh) With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (confused by her doctrine).

17:3 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30979/eVerseID/30979/RTD/mh) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman (Church) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

17:4 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30980/eVerseID/30980/RTD/mh) And the woman (Church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (ring any bells??):

17:5 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30981/eVerseID/30981/RTD/mh) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT (Vicarius Fili Dei means replacement of the son of God, worn on the head of the Pope, in hebrew =666), THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (Catholic Church classes herself as the mother Church).

17:6 (http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.showChapter/bibleBook/66/sChap/17/sVerse/1/sVerseID/30977/suppressParentLayout/true/opt/comm/RTD/mh/version/KJV/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30982/eVerseID/30982/RTD/mh) And I saw the woman(Church) drunken with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (The Inquisition): and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration (could not believe what he saw).

That text could mean lots of other things. You're just interpreting it based on your own bias.

And even if that's what it really says.... The bible is bunk anyway.

There have been so many lies put forth, i'm not surprised people have lost faith and do not believe. This suits the NWO as it falls right into their plan.

If they really want the pope to rule the world, it makes no sense for them to actually want people to abandon Catholicism. By the way, I thought you said Catholicm was the work of Lucifer?!?

Don't you see your views are contradictory?

I'd have to agree with you totally, but not for long i might add.

You should learn to think out of the box and come to realise that neither Christianity nor Judaism nor liberalism are the answer.

theonewillcome
09-18-2008, 04:16 PM
You don't have the pieces of the puzzle, that's why you think i'm contradicting myself. Try living up to your user name and look outside the box.

Watch these videos and then you might have a better understanding of what i mean.

C'mon it can't hurt, what have you got to lose?

http://www.box.net/shared/static/6nz0atkgsg.flv

http://www.box.net/shared/static/8g7lbghcoo.flv

Out of the Box
09-19-2008, 02:46 AM
You don't have the pieces of the puzzle, that's why you think i'm contradicting myself. Try living up to your user name and look outside the box.

I think outside of the box and do have the pieces. You just force the pieces together, creating an absurd and silly view of the world. I let the pieces fall together as they fit.

Watch these videos and then you might have a better understanding of what i mean.

C'mon it can't hurt, what have you got to lose?

http://www.box.net/shared/static/6nz0atkgsg.flv

http://www.box.net/shared/static/8g7lbghcoo.flv (http://www.box.net/shared/static/8g7lbghcoo.flv)

It's mostly time that I've got to lose.

Could you give a small intro, so I know what to expect? I've already seen quite a lot of conspiracy videos (Alex Jones, Texe Marrs, Jim Marrs, David Icke, Jon Ronson, ...), you know?

Leonardo
09-19-2008, 03:21 AM
The Bible is the most common book in the world and the rarest. It is a book that everyone has, most bash, and most ignore.

The King James Bible is a piece of music that is no longer heard. It once resounded in perfect harmonic, but has gone silent by the Devoid Logos that has wrapped it in obscurity.

The Bible is poetry an opus no longer experienced.

There was and shall never be an Ascended Master, nor Magus, nor Annointed, nor King, nor Alchemist, but Jesus Christ the Holistic Son of Man.

He speaks in parabolas that seeing they may not see and hearing they may not hear. Christianity is Religion, the only one. All else is an idolitrous shadow and shard thereof. There is no other true inspiration, nor journey, nor path but the path of Christian discipleship.

But Christianity is a mockery today. A tradgic abomination of desolation, just as Jerusalem in A.D. 70. There is no knowledge of the Mysterion of the Kingdom of Heaven, nor its entrance nor its doctrine, nor its power. It is that which the Apostle prophecied, "Having an outer form of piety, and yet having denied the power thereof." I am the peer of a generation completely emptied and bereft of its own life and its own inheritance in the LOGOS of the Aeons and the King of Glory in Jesus Christ.

What the world hates with such venom is in reality the Word of its own Joy. What the World has been told is enslavement is Liberty in truth. The Seclorum compared to the Celestorum is a monkey pawning itself off as a man. People lives are broken up into shards and fragments and there is no remebrance of their former vision as children. And what is left, is silenced by television, film, literature, and popular music. Culture has become a disease, and the waters which should be silent are raging waves.

And the truly remarkable thing is that the cure is only a step away. All one must do is make a decision to live in the light and receive life. But this Christianity of the churches will not do. Only truth can set one free. Only Jesus Christ can break the bonds. Christianity is the only Esoteric inner path that exists. All else is exoteric, occultic, and demonic. All else. And one has one's work cut out. Because not only must one escape the blistering south wind that blows about from the world, but one must in fact navigate through the maze of falsehood spewed forth from the churches.

There is no other way to the tree of life. There is One Voice, One Vision, One Power, One Kingdom, On Truth, One Inspiration, One Shephard, One King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And the great sin of the churches is that they did not and do not ascribe All Glory to Jesus Christ. They greatest problem that exists in Christendom today is that most do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. For if they did, the world and all its power could not stand one hour against them. But there is no fight in them, no initiative in them, no asperation in them, no vitality in them, no inspiration in them, no understanding in them. Truly the Sons of the Aeon of wiser among their generation than the Sons of Light. And Christ did not say this in matter of fact terms but as an utter rebuke.

There is no great Jedi order that exists wherein one will find the secret college of adepts and the gates to the inner chambers of the Temple of Solomon. There is however a very large and powerful Sith order that is hell bent on anyone getting into through those gates because long ago they were that very Jedi order that decided to bar the gates of the kingdom of God against men and hoard wealth to themselves in the great and emty vainglorious tradition of all the tyrants of Egypt and Babylon before them. But their wisdom is wormwood, and they power is weakness. And their pomp is shame. And their pleasures are pains. And their Light is Darkness. And their Life is Death. And I will not dwell among them, for they have sold their souls for nothing.

Go on, you blind ones. Argue, reason, rant, rave, go mad. Prove your sciences, da vinci codes, and theological trite theories. They are all utterly meaningless. Life isn't science and control. Life is Romance and Liberty. And there is no rhyme or reason to it but a grand introduction and initiation into the Experience and Foretaste of the Glory of the God of Life and the God of Truth in whose very and exact image mankind was created from the foundation of the earth.

The world is a son who is kidnapped by a slavemaster and who has never gotten to even properly meet its own father who also happens to own everything and who is the King of Glory. But there was one initiator and only one. Jesus the Messiah. The Annointed whom Jews deny and Greeks mock even to this very day.

--Fra N.

theonewillcome
09-19-2008, 03:34 AM
Mmm ok. These are not your average conspiracy videos of someone blabbing on about this group or that, which only add to the confusion, especially when you don't get the full picture. This guy is a South African professor of science, who gives many lectures worldwide in order to open peoples eyes to the reality of what we are really facing in todays challenging world. He tries not to give his own opinion, but uses statements and historical evidence, written by the sources themselves in order to stick to facts rather than conjecture. There is so much disinformation flying around out there, that sometimes it is easy to be side tracked by the very same people who want to keep this from the public. David Icke for example is a government troll, i'm sure of it, he gives a lot of factual evidence, but purely by the fact he rants on about the reptilian agenda, leaving himself to be ridiculed (on purposei might add), causing all the factual evidence to then be discretited as well.

The first video gives clear evidence of how Catholicism and Islam are one in the same religion from the inside controlled by Rome, however from the outside they are arch enemies and both parties are being used as stooges for Lucifers world wide agenda.

The second video shows how all religions of the world are linked, controlled and manipulated against eachother. It also shows that outwardly these organisations have one agenda but inwardly a very different one.

theonewillcome
09-19-2008, 03:52 AM
The Bible is the most common book in the world and the rarest. It is a book that everyone has, most bash, and most ignore.

The King James Bible is a piece of music that is no longer heard. It once resounded in perfect harmonic, but has gone silent by the Devoid Logos that has wrapped it in obscurity.

The Bible is poetry an opus no longer experienced.

There was and shall never be an Ascended Master, nor Magus, nor Annointed, nor King, nor Alchemist, but Jesus Christ the Holistic Son of Man.

He speaks in parabolas that seeing they may not see and hearing they may not hear. Christianity is Religion, the only one. All else is an idolitrous shadow and shard thereof. There is no other true inspiration, nor journey, nor path but the path of Christian discipleship.

But Christianity is a mockery today. A tradgic abomination of desolation, just as Jerusalem in A.D. 70. There is no knowledge of the Mysterion of the Kingdom of Heaven, nor its entrance nor its doctrine, nor its power. It is that which the Apostle prophecied, "Having an outer form of piety, and yet having denied the power thereof." I am the peer of a generation completely emptied and bereft of its own life and its own inheritance in the LOGOS of the Aeons and the King of Glory in Jesus Christ.

What the world hates with such venom is in reality the Word of its own Joy. What the World has been told is enslavement is Liberty in truth. The Seclorum compared to the Celestorum is a monkey pawning itself off as a man. People lives are broken up into shards and fragments and there is no remebrance of their former vision as children. And what is left, is silenced by television, film, literature, and popular music. Culture has become a disease, and the waters which should be silent are raging waves.

And the truly remarkable thing is that the cure is only a step away. All one must do is make a decision to live in the light and receive life. But this Christianity of the churches will not do. Only truth can set one free. Only Jesus Christ can break the bonds. Christianity is the only Esoteric inner path that exists. All else is exoteric, occultic, and demonic. All else. And one has one's work cut out. Because not only must one escape the blistering south wind that blows about from the world, but one must in fact navigate through the maze of falsehood spewed forth from the churches.

There is no other way to the tree of life. There is One Voice, One Vision, One Power, One Kingdom, On Truth, One Inspiration, One Shephard, One King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And the great sin of the churches is that they did not and do not ascribe All Glory to Jesus Christ. They greatest problem that exists in Christendom today is that most do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. For if they did, the world and all its power could not stand one hour against them. But there is no fight in them, no initiative in them, no asperation in them, no vitality in them, no inspiration in them, no understanding in them. Truly the Sons of the Aeon of wiser among their generation than the Sons of Light. And Christ did not say this in matter of fact terms but as an utter rebuke.

There is no great Jedi order that exists wherein one will find the secret college of adepts and the gates to the inner chambers of the Temple of Solomon. There is however a very large and powerful Sith order that is hell bent on anyone getting into through those gates because long ago they were that very Jedi order that decided to bar the gates of the kingdom of God against men and hoard wealth to themselves in the great and emty vainglorious tradition of all the tyrants of Egypt and Babylon before them. But their wisdom is wormwood, and they power is weakness. And their pomp is shame. And their pleasures are pains. And their Light is Darkness. And their Life is Death. And I will not dwell among them, for they have sold their souls for nothing.

Go on, you blind ones. Argue, reason, rant, rave, go mad. Prove your sciences, da vinci codes, and theological trite theories. They are all utterly meaningless. Life isn't science and control. Life is Romance and Liberty. And there is no rhyme or reason to it but a grand introduction and initiation into the Experience and Foretaste of the Glory of the God of Life and the God of Truth in whose very and exact image mankind was created from the foundation of the earth.

The world is a son who is kidnapped by a slavemaster and who has never gotten to even properly meet its own father who also happens to own everything and who is the King of Glory. But there was one initiator and only one. Jesus the Messiah. The Annointed whom Jews deny and Greeks mock even to this very day.

--Fra N.

Well said Leonardo and very poetic. The KJV is the best Bible in it's truist form, many other versions derive from Rome and have been changed, had bits removed or have been manipulated to cause division.

We have nothing to fear from these pagans as Jesus is very much in charge, we must keep the faith, unite in truth and await our salvation.

Ozziecynic
09-21-2008, 02:03 AM
You guys are pathetic.
Being labelled pathetic or nuts by you is the least of my worries I am posting in the right place for that. OK while your at it, why not go the whole hog and become a complete sceptic of all theories with the label CONSPIRACY as you stated many times on this forum you are a Logical Postivist man whom needs a process of empircism to prove everything so in that case there is no reason for you to be posting on forums like this you dont believe any of the opinions or alternate facts presented.
Youd be better off on a Sceptics Society forum where all the the detractors like togather not here. Unfortunately these days it seems conspiracy fourms seem to attract more agent detractors like you than genuine truth seekers whom actually accept NWO Conspiracies to the letter. Your only mudding the waters here not helping the truthers cause!.
If you cant accept Post modern NWO conspiracy figures, why not try reading the pre ww2 ones like Nesta Webster or Edith Star Miller these type hidden history exposers were around long before the Alex jones, icke and co tried to make it trendy and commerical enterprise and they are also usually a great deal more factual and comprehensive in their esoteric knowledge.

Out of the Box
09-22-2008, 04:07 AM
Being labelled pathetic or nuts by you is the least of my worries I am posting in the right place for that. OK while your at it, why not go the whole hog and become a complete sceptic of all theories with the label CONSPIRACY as you stated many times on this forum you are a Logical Postivist man whom needs a process of empircism to prove everything so in that case there is no reason for you to be posting on forums like this you dont believe any of the opinions or alternate facts presented.

I just based on evidence, plausibility and consistency. I neither reject nor accept anything unless sufficient evidence has been provided to prove either way. When something is neither proven right nor proven wrong, I tend to apply Occam's Razor. Nevertheless, in that case I always leave the possibility for other explanations open.

IMO, it is a proven fact that Western society is run by mostly Jews and freemasons and that they manipulate the media and education. IMO it is a proven fact that these people were behind 9/11 and 7/7 and that they were the primary force behind most 20th century wars (including both World Wars).

Yet, I'm sceptical with regards to claims about UFOs or "reptilians". I'm sceptical with regards to Hollow Earth theory or "satanic cults". IMO the evidence for those claims is at least weak and dubious as that for the official version of history.

Youd be better off on a Sceptics Society forum where all the the detractors like togather not here.

I've spent some time on a Sceptic forum in the past. There, I was regarded as a "conspiracy nut".

I tend to think with an open mind and without bias of any sort. As such, I don't fit in with your typical tin foil hat crowd nor with your typical "sceptic". ;)

Unfortunately these days it seems conspiracy fourms seem to attract more agent detractors like you than genuine truth seekers whom actually accept NWO Conspiracies to the letter. Your only mudding the waters here not helping the truthers cause!.

While it is true there are many agent detractors on conspiracy forums, I'm definitely not one of them. You won't find anyone more dedicated to honestly seeking and spreading the truth than me.

If you cant accept Post modern NWO conspiracy figures, why not try reading the pre ww2 ones like Nesta Webster or Edith Star Miller these type hidden history exposers were around long for before the Alex jones, icke and co tried to make it trendy and commerical enterprise and they are also usually a great deal more factual and comprehensive in their esoteric knowledge.

I'd love to get my hands on some Anglo-Saxon conspiracy sources from prior to 1945. Thusfar I've only managed to get my hands on conspiracy sources from that era that deal with Jews, freemasons, the British Empire or US imperialism specifically. All of them are continental, however, and most were at least to some degree pro"nazi". It would be very interesting to see how British and American citizens themselves thought of this subject.

Anyway, you'd be amazed to read how much of the NWO/Illuminati was exposed by the "nazis" during their short time in power. It's one of the reasons I find it hard to believe that Hitler was a NWO/Illuminati agent.

Ozziecynic
09-23-2008, 08:20 AM
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>You keep contradicting yourself!. You just stated many times before that you were sceptical of these above beliefs. Infact you went so far as to call me pathetic for posting some Youtube interviews with Leo Zagami & Savali both figures Henry Makow the webmaster of henrymakow.com - exposing feminism and the new world order (http://www.henrymakow.com) and previous owner of this forum use to endorse as a crediable and reliable inside experts on Illuminists. Yet now you turn around start using the above same examples of popular wacky unproven conspiracy theories. So you cant have it both ways you are either a positivist sceptic (like most of the academic world)or a another wacko pathetic conspiracy nut(uneducated whitetrash) like the rest of us which is it or maybe your just plain agent provocateur talk about cointelpro tactics.


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I tend to think with an open mind and without bias of any sort. As such, I don't fit in with your typical tin foil hat crowd nor with your typical "sceptic". ;)
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BlueAngel
09-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Just wondering.

Any word on Savali?

She disappeared years ago.

Ozziecynic
09-25-2008, 06:34 AM
BTDT:

The onesyou all should fear are the crusading republicans. THESE ARE THE SONS OF SATAN! Eye for an eye.;)

Ironic you should state that, because it is exactly this kind of neocon the so called Christian Zionists whom support isreal. Christo Zionist preachers like Hagee, Falwell etc are about as Christian as you are I guess.:rolleyes:

theonewillcome
09-26-2008, 06:06 AM
From Out of the Box

It's mostly time that I've got to lose.

Could you give a small intro, so I know what to expect? I've already seen quite a lot of conspiracy videos (Alex Jones, Texe Marrs, Jim Marrs, David Icke, Jon Ronson, ...), you know?[/quote]
Well!! Did you watch them? Or did you find 5000 reasons not to?

Leonardo
09-26-2008, 02:43 PM
Well said Leonardo and very poetic. The KJV is the best Bible in it's truist form, many other versions derive from Rome and have been changed, had bits removed or have been manipulated to cause division.

We have nothing to fear from these pagans as Jesus is very much in charge, we must keep the faith, unite in truth and await our salvation.

This is all well and good, but I take a bit of a more proactive stance. Consider the Second Epistle of Apostle Peter wherein we are instructed that we may actually be able to 'hasten' the day of the Lord through works of faith. It is the difference between passively 'waiting' for something to happen and moving mountains, parting the red sea, healing the sick, raising the dead, walking on water, climbing Jacob's Ladder and the Stairway to Heaven. It is the difference in waiting on Xristos, and BECOMING Xristos. It is the difference in sitting on a pew and FOLLOWING the LAMB where ever he goes. I just wonder what the church could actually be doing in this day and time if we actually had a mustard seed's worth of FAITH. I just wonder. Or did all the things of Christ and His promises of his disciples being able to even accomplish greater works than did he because of the Holistic Spirit just suddenly vanish from the world?

What if the main problem in the world is not the Illuminati at all? What if the reason the world is writhing in Satan's mire is because the church has forsaken the Fount of Living Waters and dug out cistern's for themselves? Cisterns that can hold no water!

Xristos came healing the sick and preaching the good current of the Kingdom of God. He came with a Word of Power and Truth. He and 12 Apostles brought down the most corrupt and powerful empire the world had ever seen! 13 MEN and the Spirit of GOD OVERTURNED THE WHOLE WORLD FOREVER! And now these billions of so called believers are doing less? HOW ARE THESE THINGS POSSIBLE! HOW LONG IS IT UNTIL THERE IS FAITH!

I wonder about these things. And I am troubled every day. I am torn between two sides. I want to stay within the church, BUT I DO NOT SEE THE FAITH THAT MOVES MOUNTAINS WITHIN IT! AND I KNOW THAT THE FINGER OF GOD CAN DESTROY ALL THE WORKS OF DARKNESS.

But I think I know what it is. Satan does nothing with out a man on earth. And neither does God. It is not that God has grown less powerful, it is that HE HAS NO MAN THROUGH WHICH HE MAY WORK! NOW WHAT IF THAT HORRIFIC SCENARIO REALLY IS THE CASE! WHO WILL TAKE A STAND FOR XRISTOS! I MEAN A REAL STAND! TO THE CROSS! WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO WILL STAND FOR THE ONE WHO GAVE IT ALL!

I wonder..

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

theonewillcome
09-26-2008, 03:12 PM
Leonardo!! Have no fear and don't doubt for a second that God is in charge. There are many people past and present who are doing Gods work, the only problem is they are always quiet, humble and normally ridiculed by the people they have come to give blessings to.
We are in the time of Laodicea, a time of the churches being lukewarm, although an important time, it is also a dangerous time. I believe wholehartedly it's down to the Sabbath, as it's a mark of obedience to God to keep the seventh day Holy as stated in the scriptures. By following Sunday this is the mark of the beast, it's catholic doctrine and not from God. I believe though, that god will make everyone aware of this very soon and it will be a choice between following God or following the Sheeple into Lucifers grasp.

Have a read of this: Who Is The Antichrist (http://www.who-is-the-antichrist.org)

Bless you and may Gods grace fill you with love.

Leonardo
09-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Leonardo!! Have no fear and don't doubt for a second that God is in charge. There are many people past and present who are doing Gods work, the only problem is they are always quiet, humble and normally ridiculed by the people they have come to give blessings to.
We are in the time of Laodicea, a time of the churches being lukewarm, although an important time, it is also a dangerous time. I believe wholehartedly it's down to the Sabbath, as it's a mark of obedience to God to keep the seventh day Holy as stated in the scriptures. By following Sunday this is the mark of the beast, it's catholic doctrine and not from God. I believe though, that god will make everyone aware of this very soon and it will be a choice between following God or following the Sheeple into Lucifers grasp.

Have a read of this: Who Is The Antichrist (http://www.who-is-the-antichrist.org)

Bless you and may Gods grace fill you with love.

Were you born Illuminati or did you pay your way in?

theonewillcome
09-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Are you having a laugh?? Please don't insult me, i'm genuine 100%, i have no hidden agendas. It sounds to me like you don't read the Bible much or you would know what i was refering to. Read Revelation,it's all there.

Leonardo
09-26-2008, 10:41 PM
Are you having a laugh?? Please don't insult me, i'm genuine 100%, i have no hidden agendas. It sounds to me like you don't read the Bible much or you would know what i was refering to. Read Revelation,it's all there.

So you're saying you were born into the Illuminati. Understood. And yes, I am familiar with the Revelation. I've read it once or twice -- in Greek.

I didn't think you sounded like you whored your way into the Order like so many others.

theonewillcome
09-27-2008, 10:44 AM
Listen here you pagan troll!! Everything i said to you i mean't with sincerity and honesty and yet you allign me with an evil organisation that i hate with a fervent passion.
You sit there with a picture of Jesus and claim to be a Christian, yet you attack me verbally for giving you words of inspiration. Everything i said to you i can back up from scriptures, it is not my fault that you read but don't understand, or are you just another fake on here purposefully trying to antagonise people, with sincerity seeking truth, freedom and justice??

No wonder this planet is being destroyed with so many full of hate, pride, jealousy and bitterness.

Leonardo
09-27-2008, 01:28 PM
Listen here you pagan troll!! Everything i said to you i mean't with sincerity and honesty and yet you allign me with an evil organisation that i hate with a fervent passion.
You sit there with a picture of Jesus and claim to be a Christian, yet you attack me verbally for giving you words of inspiration. Everything i said to you i can back up from scriptures, it is not my fault that you read but don't understand, or are you just another fake on here purposefully trying to antagonise people, with sincerity seeking truth, freedom and justice??

No wonder this planet is being destroyed with so many full of hate, pride, jealousy and bitterness.

That's not a picture of Jesus, it's a picture of King Solomon of Israel.

I see that I have hit on a sensitive nerve. I want you to know that I'm not here to judge you for being Illuminati. I'm here to help. I want to work through these issues with you. You can talk to me. You do not have to let your violent, tempermental Scottish nature rule you. We can be civil about these things. CC is for us to work through our pasts toward positive ends in the future. So share, and do not withhold. You're only hurting yourself in the end.

I am Frater. I am a friend. I am here to help you.

theonewillcome
09-27-2008, 08:08 PM
No sensitivity here!! Just speaking the truth.

Before offering help, i suggest you seek some for yourself. I would happily offer you councilling, although you do seem like a lost cause to me. however i will be more than happy to happy to share your burdens and help you through this difficult phase.

Leonardo
09-27-2008, 09:27 PM
No sensitivity here!! Just speaking the truth.

Before offering help, i suggest you seek some for yourself. I would happily offer you councilling, although you do seem like a lost cause to me. however i will be more than happy to happy to share your burdens and help you through this difficult phase.

Before we begin, I need to know exactly how drunk you are.

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Ozziecynic
09-28-2008, 01:28 AM
Leonardo wrote:

I'm a Jesus Freak? I was just trying to be disciple and live an honest life and help the world to repair and restore from it's damage.

BUT I DON"T REALLY CARE IF THEY"RE CALLIN' ME A JEESSUSS FREEAK!


Were you REALLY in a seminary training to be a priest. I suppoe we have no way of knowing the truth of the matter. I am begining to think your stories are complete elborate fabriction of an AP as are a couple of others here.
However if you did come out of a tike seminary then all i can say is so what!!.Your reaction to it is pretty typical of most whom have anything to do with that Whore of Babylon known as the Catholic church usually come out even more pagan than those that actually admit it and a great deal more insidous in attempts to do damage to christs message.
Bottom line is your a pagan with many Gnostic beliefs its ringing out in your posts you figured no one here was smart enough to notice it think again and dont be so arrogant in your craftyness
There was and shall never be an Ascended Master, nor Magus, nor Annointed, nor King, nor Alchemist, but Jesus Christ the Holistic Son of Man. this quote here was a dead set give away only a someone infected with Gnostic heresy would use langauge like HOLISTC and to think the tike church & its seminaries claim to be free of gnosticism now they appear to be instructing it to trainee clergy and preaching it to all and sundry no wonder you are confused!:rolleyes:

btw one only has to look at the Inquistion and the IRA to how much BS and hypocrisy the tike so called church is!.

Leonardo
09-28-2008, 03:57 PM
Leonardo wrote:

Were you REALLY in a seminary training to be a priest. I suppoe we have no way of knowing the truth of the matter. I am begining to think your stories are complete elborate fabriction of an AP as are a couple of others here.
However if you did come out of a tike seminary then all i can say is so what!!.Your reaction to it is pretty typical of most whom have anything to do with that Whore of Babylon known as the Catholic church usually come out even more pagan than those that actually admit it and a great deal more insidous in attempts to do damage to christs message.
Bottom line is your a pagan with many Gnostic beliefs its ringing out in your posts you figured no one here was smart enough to notice it think again and dont be so arrogant in your craftyness
this quote here was a dead set give away only a someone infected with Gnostic heresy would use langauge like HOLISTC and to think the tike church & its seminaries claim to be free of gnosticism now they appear to be instructing it to trainee clergy and preaching it to all and sundry no wonder you are confused!:rolleyes:

btw one only has to look at the Inquistion and the IRA to how much BS and hypocrisy the tike so called church is!.

1) Pagan -- L. peasant, n. use of pāgānus rural, civilian, deriv. of pāgus village, rural district (akin to pangere to fix, make fast); see -an1]

Within the confines of the denotative meaning of pagan, yes, I am a pagan. So was Solomon, so was Xristos. "Foxes have holes, and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

2) Holistic -- 1926, coined, along with holism, by Gen. J.C. Smuts (1870-1950), from Gk. holos "whole". Sometimes the Greek word 'holos' is translated 'health', 'healthy', and in King James Version trans. "whole" or "Holy". I simply am trying to use relevant words to communicate the Biblical message. Is Holistic Gnostic and Holy Christian, when they both are simply variations of the same root word in Greek?

In the Epistle of Apostle Peter, and the Johannine writtings the word Gnosis and especially Epignosis is used time and time again. Christianity is not so much a reaction against Gnosis but a psycho-spiritual warfare concerning what that Experiential inner path of Ascension in Xristos is.

Do you revolt at the use of the term Ascended Master? What was Xristos if not the Ascended Master. And yes I did make one mistake, not only was Xristos an Ascended Master but makes his disciples such along with himself. If not then how does Paul write, "And hath raised us up with Christ to sit with him in Heavenly places?" What is this but the doctrine of the Ascension? It is impossible that a Christian should not be raised up through the planes to be seated with Christ in heavenly places. This is the path of innitiation. This is Jacob's Ladder. This is the stairway to heaven and the opening of the Adytum, the rending of the Veil.

Leonardo
09-28-2008, 06:46 PM
"Do not weep. Do not wax indignant. Understand.Ē -- Spinoza

Leonardo
09-28-2008, 06:54 PM
Are there any more questions, Ozzie?

You have been quite silent, today.

Was it something I said?

BlueAngel
09-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Ozzie said to Leonardo:

I am begining to think your stories are complete elborate fabriction of an AP as are a couple of others here.

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Really, Ozzie.

You're BEGINNING to think Leonardo's stories are complete fabrications?

Can't imagine why! :)

Out of the Box
09-29-2008, 05:46 AM
You keep contradicting yourself!. You just stated many times before that you were sceptical of these above beliefs.

I treat any information and any source with both a sceptical and an openminded approach. I only accept something as true when I verified the information myself and I only accept something as false when I found credible evidence against it. I never apply any prejudice against any source of statement.

Just because one source may speak of proven facts 90% of the time, that doesn't mean I stop questioning him on the other 10% of his claims. Just because one source may lie 90% of the time, that doesn't mean I ignore the other 10%. Here, I make no difference between mainstream sources, "conspiracy theorists" or supposed insiders.

Infact you went so far as to call me pathetic for posting some Youtube interviews with Leo Zagami & Savali both figures Henry Makow the webmaster of henrymakow.com - exposing feminism and the new world order (http://www.henrymakow.com) and previous owner of this forum use to endorse as a crediable and reliable inside experts on Illuminists.

Did I call YOU pathetic or your source?

Someone like Benjamin Friedman seems to be reliable as an insider speaking out. Leo Zagami & Savali, however, seem to be little more than frauds who're making a profit by fooling gullible "conspiracy theorists" into thinking they're illumnists. Just because they speak against the Illumnists, that doesn't mean I take them seriously.

Yet now you turn around start using the above same examples of popular wacky unproven conspiracy theories.

Popular wacky unproven conspiracy theories?!? :rolleyes:

So you cant have it both ways you are either a positivist sceptic (like most of the academic world)or a another wacko pathetic conspiracy nut(uneducated whitetrash) like the rest of us which is it or maybe your just plain agent provocateur talk about cointelpro tactics.

I'm just someone who looks at the evidence and makes up his mind based on the evidence only.

Yep the book by nesta webster is called "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" and the book by js Miller aka Lady Queensborough is called "Occult Theocracy" both are pre ww2 and both very comprehensive everthing you need to know and should know.

Thanks for the recommendations. I had already heard of "Occult Theocracy" and downloaded an E-book version on my laptop some time ago. I hadn't heard of "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" yet, but the title definitely sounds interesting. It is reminiscent of John Robison's 1798 work Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies (full text (http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/index.htm)), which is one of the earliest sources to mention a masonic conspiracy and possibly the first to mention the Illuminati within that context.

From Out of the Box

It's mostly time that I've got to lose.

Could you give a small intro, so I know what to expect? I've already seen quite a lot of conspiracy videos (Alex Jones, Texe Marrs, Jim Marrs, David Icke, Jon Ronson, ...), you know?
Well!! Did you watch them? Or did you find 5000 reasons not to?[/quote]

Haven't watched it yet, but planning to.

theonewillcome
09-29-2008, 07:48 AM
Thanks!! Out of the Box, i look forward to the outcome.

Leonardo!! You have just totally exposed yourself for who you really serve, you had the cheek to associate me with the Illuminati and now you are using words like "ascended masters," deriving from perfection, through reincarnation untill we all become Christ like. That is new age Luciferian doctrine off to a T, i knew you were a Wolf in Sheeps clothing after your reply to the encouragement i gave you.

If you really seek Jesus, then read your Bible, not some marvel comic!!

theonewillcome
09-29-2008, 08:03 AM
On second thoughts Leonardo, don't read your Bible, if you were training to be a Priest, then the version you would be reading from would have been changed and manipulated by the very Antichrist that indoctrinated you.

Read from the KJV, probably one of the best unchanged sources.

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Leave the Whore and seek Jesus, Amen.

Leonardo
09-29-2008, 03:10 PM
On second thoughts Leonardo, don't read your Bible, if you were training to be a Priest, then the version you would be reading from would have been changed and manipulated by the very Antichrist that indoctrinated you.

Read from the KJV, probably one of the best unchanged sources.

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Leave the Whore and seek Jesus, Amen.

You are showing symptoms of the Biggot, of the Automoton, of the Unthinking Herd.

You realize that you are caught. You now realize that Christians rule you and are worthy. You realize that you have fallen into your own cage. And you begin to rage. Raging and writhing.

You are beginning to manifest the animal, the Beast, and the Whore. Cease these things. Establish peace. For the beast is but target practice for the end of my spear.

Do not war against me. I seek your good. Don't make me bring you down as I have so many of your best warriors.

Mark well and remember! Do you not know that Sampson the Mighty slew a thousand Phillistines with the jaw bone of an ass? But these things are no strangers to our land.

Leonardo
09-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Ozzie said to Leonardo:

I am begining to think your stories are complete elborate fabriction of an AP as are a couple of others here.

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Really, Ozzie.

You're BEGINNING to think Leonardo's stories are complete fabrications?

Can't imagine why! :)

Probably because he enjoys gaslighting people.

Beau
09-30-2008, 04:27 PM
could it be that god is all one whole spirit and you can find god and be saved through just being a good person? maybe if your buddha or muslim or christian it wouldnt matter which as long as you follow nature and god. if your pure in heart your one with god. God is every good thing in the universe therefore if you are a follower of good you are a follower of god. most religions believe in a common thing, and if you find peace and love for nature and humanity in that religion then you are with god start thinking of it as you can either be headed to good or bad and we all know the difference between the two so if you know in your heart what your doing is right you will know what is wrong.

Leonardo
09-30-2008, 05:22 PM
could it be that god is all one whole spirit and you can find god and be saved through just being a good person? maybe if your buddha or muslim or christian it wouldnt matter which as long as you follow nature and god. if your pure in heart your one with god. God is every good thing in the universe therefore if you are a follower of good you are a follower of god. most religions believe in a common thing, and if you find peace and love for nature and humanity in that religion then you are with god start thinking of it as you can either be headed to good or bad and we all know the difference between the two so if you know in your heart what your doing is right you will know what is wrong.

Actually, liberal as it may sound, you're about half right in one way. You'll remember that when Able offered sacrifice there was no "Bible". When Enoch uttered prophecy there was no "Bible". When Moses taught the people the law there was no "Bible". It was all oral and revelatory in nature -- i.e., EXPERIENTIAL, ESOTERIC, RE-LIGIOUS. There was no 'Scripture' except that written on hearts and minds, where is the only place 'GOD' ever existed, has existed, and will ever exist.

I am a Christian. I make no bones about it. But I have discovered that I am not the normal breed of Christian. I don't really know what kind of Christian I am, but I know this much, I absolutely fit into no cateragory that I know of. I constantly have people wondering just what exactly I am. Am I a Catholic. No, not exactly. Am I a prostestant, no. I am I pagan. Not in the least. And I some sort of hidden Illuminati cult member, no. And it seems to irritate people to no end, including my own family, that I simply refuse to be obedient under these nebulous yet normalize strictures of suface level thinking.

You're right in this one regard, the greatest error existing within world perceptions of Christianity is that of mistaking the archetypal evangelical 'Bible thumper' for a Christian. In fact in most of my discussions with people I do not even use the word 'Christian' anymore, because it is a word that no longer accurately describes that esoteric path written of in the New Testament narrative parabolas. I use Xristian, Holistic, Xristos, Ascension. These terms seem bizarre and foreign to most. Which is exactly the effect I desire.

The best way to restore true Xristianity is to utterly obliterate all known manifestations of Christendom. Now, this may sound as if I am some Illuminati, conspirator or some Freemasonic tyrian secularist bent on revenge against Solomon and the Temple, or some such nonsense. But I'm not.

Fact is, these fans clubs, the bench warming sanctified red hat societies actually do FAR more damage to people finding and entering the stairway to heaven and that very Kingdom of God that Jesus manifested than any Satanic cult could ever dream about.

I actually WANT the Satanist to infiltrate Christendom. I hope the maggots of hell eat it to the bones. It is an abomination of desolation. And how do we know if this is not all in God's plan. 'Where the vulture flies, there the carcus lays,' said Xristos. And I news, he was not only referrring to the Jews of that time, but for all times and places everywhere the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 was an example of all those who would think God and Religion to be so trite as to be able to be manipulated and controlled by man. God doesn't play. Neither then, nor now. So, I say, let the Churches rot to the ground for all I care. What use are they? Who do they help? How do they lift man up to his true and high nature? How is he saved within these spiritual prisons bereft of Spirit or Truth?

I'm no friend of the secularist, the Freemason, or the Satanist, but if the church wants to keep playing games, I will do the cruelist and most just thing anyone could do -- stop defending Her!

One of these days all the nice little white coller leave it to beaver whitewashed evangelical and catholic bench warmers are going to have the biggest Illumination they have ever had -- their lives were a complete and total delusion of their own making.

Blake may have been a gnostic, a heritic and a hell rat, but he spoke well of Jerusalem enslaved in Babalonian captivity.

Christianity is actually closer to Buddhism than Evangelicalm OR Catholicism. Buddah came to as much enlightenment as a human possibly could in his own power. And that is where Buddah and Xristos are different. Buddah brought in the Void consciousness, that all was emptiness, sorrow, and suffering, which without the PLEROMA of XRISTOS and the work he accomplished is UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

And yet Xristos brought in another consciousness, not only of the PLEROMA and ZOE, and PHOS, but that is was HE HIMSELF who WAS these things and filled all things. In short, Xristos, Jesus of Nazareth makes a unique claim in the world, to be its creator, its initiator, its light, and its PLEROMA and proceeding from the ABBA Father.

I apologize that there are so many false disciples, enemies, ignoramouses, and Pharisees running about trying to cut of and hedge in the Kingdom of Heaven against men. So it was in the time of Xristos, so it is today.

When you have lost all for the name of Xrist. When you wander in dezerts and mountains in sheep skins and goat skins. When you have been truly cast out of the world for refusing to be its slave, then you will find Life, and Truth, and Rest for your soul. You will also find Power for the first time in a long time.

But I will say this and I mean everyword of it, the greatest error is to divorce Scripture from one's own personal experience. Xristianity is EXPERIENTIAL ALONE. There is no such thing as a religion of a book alone apart from Spirit, Truth, and Personal Ascension in Xristos.

Why will most in Christendom be lost? Because they thought Salvation to be such a trite thing as saying your sorry, taking a dunk, and everything's groovy cool.

I ask, what use is a Satanist to the devil is the Satanist says in his heart, Well, now I have made a pact with the devil, so I will sit here and wait for the devil to feed me, clothe me, give me some dancing girls (or whatever the hell the devil is supposed to give), money, what not...etc... Would the Satanist be able to rule anything? Do anything? If Satan is divided against Satan, his Kingdom is ended! Yet, there are multiplied BILLIONS in churches who have the personal initiative of an average slug! Was this the spirit of the Apostles and early disciples? No, they went about in SPIRIT and the POWER OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. REAL power. REAL work. A REAL pathway, with REAL initiation, and REAL SALVATION.

Most so called Christians are living in their own dream world. I cannot fellowship them or really even understand them because I was a convert to Christianity when I was 19. My conversion was real. My initiation was real. My heart was real. I have never cared to play the hypocrite or even understand such a consciousness because I always thought XRISTOS WAS THE GREAT PHYSICIAN not I!

Well, I could go on and on I suppose, but simply put, you're going to have to launch out in the deep and do some fishing if you want to walk on water with the real Jesus Christ. Because I have some sad news for the churches -- Jesus doesn't play games either. And HE WILL snuff out FOREVER the Candles of those so called Churches who play games.

What do they think? Do they suppose they defend God from the devil worshippers or something? God is not concerned for the devil worshippers or the pagans. He dwells in such a realm in power that they are less than the smallest bug to him. God deals in JUSTICE, he GIVES LIGHT, and LIFE. GOD is GOOD and DOES GOOD, objectively and ALWAYS. GOD IS STRENGTH, and GIVES Strenth. GOD IS LOVE AND SHOWS LOVE. But he's no Tyrant. If a man decides that he doesn't want to inherit ALL THINGS, he is free to check out any time. It's all volenteer here, it's all gravy. God wants people to act like sons and daughters because if they were not so separated and DEAD in their minds they would remember that that is in fac what they are. But people are stupid. Satanists are more stupid. Pagans are even stupider. And Evangelicals and Catholics are the stupidest off all.

theonewillcome
09-30-2008, 05:31 PM
could it be that god is all one whole spirit and you can find god and be saved through just being a good person? maybe if your buddha or muslim or christian it wouldnt matter which as long as you follow nature and god. if your pure in heart your one with god. God is every good thing in the universe therefore if you are a follower of good you are a follower of god. most religions believe in a common thing, and if you find peace and love for nature and humanity in that religion then you are with god start thinking of it as you can either be headed to good or bad and we all know the difference between the two so if you know in your heart what your doing is right you will know what is wrong.

That is Luciferian doctrine you are talking about there, he will have you believe that there is no sin and as long as you are a good person you will reach God.

Jesus teaches that works with out grace are meaningless, grace can only be recieved through admitting your sin, repenting of your ways and putting your faith in Jesus's love for you, by doing so God will lead you to do his works through his love and guidance, thereby fullfilling God's will and not your own.

All that you speak of, i suggest you research it's origins. People like Annie Bessant, Madame Blavatsky etc etc, who preach this and which is adopted and followed by lot's of world organisations, such as the UN etc, these people will admit in their writings that it is with Lucifer that they communicate with and worship and that he is just misunderstood.

Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

theonewillcome
09-30-2008, 05:42 PM
Actually, liberal as it may sound, you're about half right in one way. You'll remember that when Able offered sacrifice there was no "Bible". When Enoch uttered prophecy there was no "Bible". When Moses taught the people the law there was no "Bible". It was all oral and revelatory in nature -- i.e., EXPERIENTIAL, ESOTERIC, RE-LIGIOUS. There was no 'Scripture' except that written on hearts and minds, where is the only place 'GOD' ever existed, has existed, and will ever exist.

I am a Christian. I make no bones about it. But I have discovered that I am not the normal breed of Christian. I don't really know what kind of Christian I am, but I know this much, I absolutely fit into no cateragory that I know of. I constantly have people wondering just what exactly I am. Am I a Catholic. No, not exactly. Am I a prostestant, no. I am I pagan. Not in the least. And I some sort of hidden Illuminati cult member, no. And it seems to irritate people to no end, including my own family, that I simply refuse to be obedient under these nebulous yet normalize strictures of suface level thinking.

You're right in this one regard, the greatest error existing within world perceptions of Christianity is that of mistaking the archetypal evangelical 'Bible thumper' for a Christian. In fact in most of my discussions with people I do not even use the word 'Christian' anymore, because it is a word that no longer accurately describes that esoteric path written of in the New Testament narrative parabolas. I use Xristian, Holistic, Xristos, Ascension. These terms seem bizarre and foreign to most. Which is exactly the effect I desire.

The best way to restore true Xristianity is to utterly obliterate all known manifestations of Christendom. Now, this may sound as if I am some Illuminati, conspirator or some Freemasonic tyrian secularist bent on revenge against Solomon and the Temple, or some such nonsense. But I'm not.

Fact is, these fans clubs, the bench warming sanctified red hat societies actually do FAR more damage to people finding and entering the stairway to heaven and that very Kingdom of God that Jesus manifested than any Satanic cult could ever dream about.

I actually WANT the Satanist to infiltrate Christendom. I hope the maggots of hell eat it to the bones. It is an abomination of desolation. And how do we know if this is not all in God's plan. 'Where the vulture flies, there the carcus lays,' said Xristos. And I news, he was not only referrring to the Jews of that time, but for all times and places everywhere the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 was an example of all those who would think God and Religion to be so trite as to be able to be manipulated and controlled by man. God doesn't play. Neither then, nor now. So, I say, let the Churches rot to the ground for all I care. What use are they? Who do they help? How do they lift man up to his true and high nature? How is he saved within these spiritual prisons bereft of Spirit or Truth?

I'm no friend of the secularist, the Freemason, or the Satanist, but if the church wants to keep playing games, I will do the cruelist and most just thing anyone could do -- stop defending Her!

One of these days all the nice little white coller leave it to beaver whitewashed evangelical and catholic bench warmers are going to have the biggest Illumination they have ever had -- their lives were a complete and total delusion of their own making.

Blake may have been a gnostic, a heritic and a hell rat, but he spoke well of Jerusalem enslaved in Babalonian captivity.

Christianity is actually closer to Buddhism than Evangelicalm OR Catholicism. Buddah came to as much enlightenment as a human possibly could in his own power. And that is where Buddah and Xristos are different. Buddah brought in the Void consciousness, that all was emptiness, sorrow, and suffering, which without the PLEROMA of XRISTOS and the work he accomplished is UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

And yet Xristos brought in another consciousness, not only of the PLEROMA and ZOE, and PHOS, but that is was HE HIMSELF who WAS these things and filled all things. In short, Xristos, Jesus of Nazareth makes a unique claim in the world, to be its creator, its initiator, its light, and its PLEROMA and proceeding from the ABBA Father.

I apologize that there are so many false disciples, enemies, ignoramouses, and Pharisees running about trying to cut of and hedge in the Kingdom of Heaven against men. So it was in the time of Xristos, so it is today.

When you have lost all for the name of Xrist. When you wander in dezerts and mountains in sheep skins and goat skins. When you have been truly cast out of the world for refusing to be its slave, then you will find Life, and Truth, and Rest for your soul. You will also find Power for the first time in a long time.

But I will say this and I mean everyword of it, the greatest error is to divorce Scripture from one's own personal experience. Xristianity is EXPERIENTIAL ALONE. There is no such thing as a religion of a book alone apart from Spirit, Truth, and Personal Ascension in Xristos.

Why will most in Christendom be lost? Because they thought Salvation to be such a trite thing as saying your sorry, taking a dunk, and everything's groovy cool.

I ask, what use is a Satanist to the devil is the Satanist says in his heart, Well, now I have made a pact with the devil, so I will sit here and wait for the devil to feed me, clothe me, give me some dancing girls (or whatever the hell the devil is supposed to give), money, what not...etc... Would the Satanist be able to rule anything? Do anything? If Satan is divided against Satan, his Kingdom is ended! Yet, there are multiplied BILLIONS in churches who have the personal initiative of an average slug! Was this the spirit of the Apostles and early disciples? No, they went about in SPIRIT and the POWER OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. REAL power. REAL work. A REAL pathway, with REAL initiation, and REAL SALVATION.

Most so called Christians are living in their own dream world. I cannot fellowship them or really even understand them because I was a convert to Christianity when I was 19. My conversion was real. My initiation was real. My heart was real. I have never cared to play the hypocrite or even understand such a consciousness because I always thought XRISTOS WAS THE GREAT PHYSICIAN not I!

Well, I could go on and on I suppose, but simply put, you're going to have to launch out in the deep and do some fishing if you want to walk on water with the real Jesus Christ. Because I have some sad news for the churches -- Jesus doesn't play games either. And HE WILL snuff out FOREVER the Candles of those so called Churches who play games.

What do they think? Do they suppose they defend God from the devil worshippers or something? God is not concerned for the devil worshippers or the pagans. He dwells in such a realm in power that they are less than the smallest bug to him. God deals in JUSTICE, he GIVES LIGHT, and LIFE. GOD is GOOD and DOES GOOD, objectively and ALWAYS. GOD IS STRENGTH, and GIVES Strenth. GOD IS LOVE AND SHOWS LOVE. But he's no Tyrant. If a man decides that he doesn't want to inherit ALL THINGS, he is free to check out any time. It's all volenteer here, it's all gravy. God wants people to act like sons and daughters because if they were not so separated and DEAD in their minds they would remember that that is in fac what they are. But people are stupid. Satanists are more stupid. Pagans are even stupider. And Evangelicals and Catholics are the stupidest off all.

Leonardo!! The only person you are fooling is yourself.

One thing you are certainly not is a Christian, if you were, you would follow the teachings of Christ and that is Jesus Christ i am talking about, not the ascended luciferian one you are referring to.

Please do not be drawn into that, as much as i disagree with you, i certainly wouldn't like to see you be misled by false doctrines which will ultimately lead to your demise.

Leonardo
09-30-2008, 05:48 PM
That is Luciferian doctrine you are talking about there, he will have you believe that there is no sin and as long as you are a good person you will reach God.

Jesus teaches that works with out grace are meaningless, grace can only be recieved through admitting your sin, repenting of your ways and putting your faith in Jesus's love for you, by doing so God will lead you to do his works through his love and guidance, thereby fullfilling God's will and not your own.

All that you speak of, i suggest you research it's origins. People like Annie Bessant, Madame Blavatsky etc etc, who preach this and which is adopted and followed by lot's of world organisations, such as the UN etc, these people will admit in their writings that it is with Lucifer that they communicate with and worship and that he is just misunderstood.

Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

Was the Apostle Paul a Luciferian too?

"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" -- Rom. 2:14

I did not say that a man would be saved through his own good works, and that may be where Beau and I have some disagreement. Yes, works must be empowered through Hesed in Xristos by the Holistic Pneuma ALOHENU.

And yet Beau's desire to see God in real time and in the real world and do good in simple communion with that spirit is taught in the Gospel.

In fact, what I thinking Beau is looking for it living religion that one is as comfortable with by a camfire in the mountains as in a Cathedral. And that is Paul's Gospel, "For the Law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE hath set me FREE from the Law of Sin and Death.." and again Paul writes, "For the Letter killeth, but the Spirit is Life and Liberty."

So if Beau is a Luciferian what if Luciferians enter the Kingdom of Heaven before you?

theonewillcome
10-01-2008, 07:53 AM
I did not say that Beau was a Luciferian, as he was merely asking a question of sorts.

He is referring to purposefully doing good to seek redemption which is wrong, all this does is to make us feel better in ourselves. When you walk with Jesus you follow the path he has prepared for you, along this path there will be a need to help and protect others which you do out of Love, eminating the Grace given by God and not for our own self satisfaction.
You can only know what God wants from you through faith and prayer and not through a i'm gonna run round doing good crusade. Don't get me wrong, for as and when a situation presents itself where someone needs your help, it is absolutely right that you put others before yourself and help in any way you can, however it's the context that in which it is executed and not the act itself.

Beau!! Do not seek the answers from man, seek them from God himself. Pray to Jesus and ask him to come into your life to give you guidance and protection, if anyone tells you different, it is for their own self interests and agendas and not the word of God.

Ozziecynic
10-01-2008, 07:56 AM
In the Epistle of Apostle Peter, and the Johannine writtings the word Gnosis and especially Epignosis is used time and time again. Christianity is not so much a reaction against Gnosis but a psycho-spiritual warfare concerning what that Experiential inner path of Ascension in Xristos is.

Do you revolt at the use of the term Ascended Master? What was Xristos if not the Ascended Master. And yes I did make one mistake, not only was Xristos an Ascended Master but makes his disciples such along with himself. If not then how does Paul write, "And hath raised us up with Christ to sit with him in Heavenly places?" What is this but the doctrine of the Ascension? It is impossible that a Christian should not be raised up through the planes to be seated with Christ in heavenly places. This is the path of innitiation. This is Jacob's Ladder. This is the stairway to heaven and the opening of the Adytum, the rending of the Veil


When i speak of Christ and christians I speak of primative first couple centuries AD style of christian eg the essenes also many modern so called unchurched undenomination christians whom simply follow their personal faith maybe with the occasional visit to church on sunday or home bible groups, however for most part individuals with an existenialist faith not based on going to a physical church at all its in the heart a personal faith and saviour theres nothing dogmatic or bigoted about that unless of cause thinking traditional thoughts of biblical passages & morality is now a thought crime in our demonocracy known as the western world.
Institutional christianity has been pretty much layered on a foundation of paganism since early roman catholic times in the first few centuries AD however many esoteric historians reason the first romans to proclaim Christ were simply proclaiming Apollo the Roman Sun God with name Christ added to which ofcause has it origins in the Greek Christos also meaning roughly SUN thus many have confused the Son of God(JESUS CHRIST) with the celestial SUN that many ancient and modern pagans still worship.
However a reprobate mind always believes as it wishes so pagans, secularist,atheists, fail to get their heads around the fact the Jesus Christ of Nazareth was actually God in human flesh not some ascended human guru.
Fact is leonardo your not christian at all You havent said one thing that proves you follower of the Christ of Nazareth. You have however proved you big pagan occultist most likely OTO member yes Ive read the garbage on your myspace page it was the first thing that made realise you that other idiot FRA NOTHING when you use to do exactly as you are now spamming the forum with feaces and childish ramblings of self indulgent madman!.:rolleyes:


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">I actually WANT the Satanist to infiltrate Christendom. I hope the maggots of hell eat it to the bones. It is an abomination of desolation. And how do we know if this is not all in God's plan. 'Where the vulture flies, there the carcus lays,' said Xristos. And I news, he was not only referrring to the Jews of that time, but for all times and places everywhere the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 was an example of all those who would think God and Religion to be so trite as to be able to be manipulated and controlled by man. God doesn't play. Neither then, nor now. So, I say, let the Churches rot to the ground for all I care. What use are they? Who do they help? How do they lift man up to his true and high nature? How is he saved within these spiritual prisons bereft of Spirit or Truth? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ofcause you want satanists to destroy christianity you are one them. You can flog a dead horse all you want its really in vain and completely pointless your another enlightened hippie mug. I would like to make you aware that adolf hilter,stalin, trotsky lennon etc all started out as enlightend occult hippies too until they decided to get a good deal nastier by creating their version of utopias on earth!.
Your human like the rest of us leon same goes for all other ego enlightened tossers in here. You think your better than the universe itself good luck to your demi god status because when all is said and done your still going to die and lose your flesh and blood body like the rest of us. Bottom line is bud ive heard it all before i ve not seen one single piece of novel info come from your drug screwed brain to date your a shallow fool with no ideas of your own maybe your idol should be Colonel Sanders or Ronald Mcdonald!.:D

Leonardo
10-01-2008, 12:32 PM
When i speak of Christ and christians I speak of primative first couple centuries AD style of christian eg the essenes also many modern so called unchurched undenomination christians whom simply follow their personal faith maybe with the occasional visit to church on sunday or home bible groups, however for most part individuals with an existenialist faith not based on going to a physical church at all its in the heart a personal faith and saviour theres nothing dogmatic or bigoted about that unless of cause thinking traditional thoughts of biblical passages & morality is now a thought crime in our demonocracy known as the western world.
Institutional christianity has been pretty much layered on a foundation of paganism since early roman catholic times in the first few centuries AD however many esoteric historians reason the first romans to proclaim Christ were simply proclaiming Apollo the Roman Sun God with name Christ added to which ofcause has it origins in the Greek Christos also meaning roughly SUN thus many have confused the Son of God(JESUS CHRIST) with the celestial SUN that many ancient and modern pagans still worship.
However a reprobate mind always believes as it wishes so pagans, secularist,atheists, fail to get their heads around the fact the Jesus Christ of Nazareth was actually God in human flesh not some ascended human guru.
Fact is leonardo your not christian at all You havent said one thing that proves you follower of the Christ of Nazareth. You have however proved you big pagan occultist most likely OTO member yes Ive read the garbage on your myspace page it was the first thing that made realise you that other idiot FRA NOTHING when you use to do exactly as you are now spamming the forum with feaces and childish ramblings of self indulgent madman!.:rolleyes:


Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">I actually WANT the Satanist to infiltrate Christendom. I hope the maggots of hell eat it to the bones. It is an abomination of desolation. And how do we know if this is not all in God's plan. 'Where the vulture flies, there the carcus lays,' said Xristos. And I news, he was not only referrring to the Jews of that time, but for all times and places everywhere the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 was an example of all those who would think God and Religion to be so trite as to be able to be manipulated and controlled by man. God doesn't play. Neither then, nor now. So, I say, let the Churches rot to the ground for all I care. What use are they? Who do they help? How do they lift man up to his true and high nature? How is he saved within these spiritual prisons bereft of Spirit or Truth? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ofcause you want satanists to destroy christianity you are one them. You can flog a dead horse all you want its really in vain and completely pointless your another enlightened hippie mug. I would like to make you aware that adolf hilter,stalin, trotsky lennon etc all started out as enlightend occult hippies too until they decided to get a good deal nastier by creating their version of utopias on earth!.
Your human like the rest of us leon same goes for all other ego enlightened tossers in here. You think your better than the universe itself good luck to your demi god status because when all is said and done your still going to die and lose your flesh and blood body like the rest of us. Bottom line is bud ive heard it all before i ve not seen one single piece of novel info come from your drug screwed brain to date your a shallow fool with no ideas of your own maybe your idol should be Colonel Sanders or Ronald Mcdonald!.:D

What if God also wants Satanists to destroy Christendom?

In 606 B.C. he wanted Babylon to destroy Jerusalem, and it happened.

In A.D. 70 he wanted Rome to destroy Jerusalem, and it happened.

Tell me how one Satanist could have chased a thousand Christians unless their Rock had sold them?

Did not Christ reign for a Thousand years? Were not thrones and powers set in place? How then has Christianity been reduced to this babbling mob of lost sheep and false prophets unless the Shekinah had left them long ago?

How is it that the most base among men now rule over those who are supposed to be a Kingdom of Priests? Moreover, they even claim to be Illuminati. Christians are so ignorant in these times they don't even know they're getting gaslit by their own TITLE that these pirates stole from them.

Xristos spoke this parabola and prophetic utterance, "For wheresoever the Carcase is, there will the Eagles be gathered together."

And so it is. From Freemason to Orthodox, they all have one thing in common, they work for the same Beast and have done so for centuries. As the destroyer of Egypt from which the Children of Israel were guarded, as the blasting and burning south wind Jeremiah spoke of, as that one riding asride the Wing of Abomination, so have they come to make desolation and shutup the Kingdom of Heaven against men.


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The double-headed eagle is a common symbol in heraldry and vexillology. It is most commonly associated with the Holy Roman Empire and with the Byzantine Empire. In Byzantine heraldry, the heads represent the dual sovereignty of the Emperor (secular and religious) and/or dominance of the Byzantine Emperors over both East and West. Several Eastern European nations adopted it from the Byzantines and continue to use it as their national symbol to this day, the most prominent being Russia. However, the design was in use in the East for centuries before it was officially adopted by the Byzantines, and was independently adopted as the symbol of several other historical states, such as early medieval Armenia and possibly the Seljuk Sultanate of RŻm[citation needed].

The two-headed eagle appears on the coat of arms of the following countries and territories:

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Armenia (see Coat of arms of Armenia)
Austria-Hungary (historical)
Austria (1934-1938) (see Coat of arms of Austria)
Byzantine Empire (historical)
German Confederation (historical)
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Montenegro (see Coat of arms of Montenegro)
Republika Srpska (formerly used from 1992 until 2007) in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Russian Federation (see Coat of arms of Russia)
Russian Empire (historical)
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State Flag of Serbia
The flag of the Greek Orthodox Church, which is also used unofficially at the autonomous monastic state of Mount Athos
Coat of Arms and flag of Hellenic Army General Staff. Also Coat of Arms and flag of Hellenic Army XVI Infantry Division [1].
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The coat of arms of Bolsward, Netherlands

theonewillcome
10-01-2008, 01:41 PM
Leonardo, you are very mixed up with your theories, i'm sure i told you to keep away from the marvel comics.

The Roman Catholic Faith is the AntiChrist and has been ever since the Roman Empire handed over the reigns from Emperor Constantine. Is it any surprise that a lot of Christians such as yourself are so confused when the flock has been attacked by a Wolf impersonating one of their own.

The Jesuits control everything, through the secret societies, the UN and many other organisations, their goal= One world religion, one world power= Satan has his dream.

However those of faith know that God is in charge and all will be revealed on Christs return, Amen.

Leonardo
10-01-2008, 02:19 PM
Leonardo, you are very mixed up with your theories, i'm sure i told you to keep away from the marvel comics.

The Roman Catholic Faith is the AntiChrist and has been ever since the Roman Empire handed over the reigns from Emperor Constantine. Is it any surprise that a lot of Christians such as yourself are so confused when the flock has been attacked by a Wolf impersonating one of their own.

The Jesuits control everything, through the secret societies, the UN and many other organisations, their goal= One world religion, one world power= Satan has his dream.

However those of faith know that God is in charge and all will be revealed on Christs return, Amen.

Thank you for agreeing with everything I just wrote above.

I would simply add that Scientologists, Thelemites, Freemasons, Satanists, Wiccans, Mormons, Moonies, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics are all part of the Antichrist too.

The pope may be a bad boy an imposter, and the devil himself on earth, but he's not WORSE THAN JOEL OLSTEIN!

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Pray tell, what is the difference in Joel Olstein and Marylin Manson, except that Olstein wears more makeup?

They are both equally spiritual desolate and devoid. It would actually be better to see Manson up there chopping off the heads of dummies and stirring up the devil worshippers (i.e., teenage morons with too much time on their hands) ripping up king james bibles and talking with a poor southern immitation, than having JOEL OLSTEIN TRYING TO PREACH THE GOSPEL!

AALEYAH
10-03-2008, 07:19 AM
You look full of yourself. The problem is those with most pride seem to fall the hardest enjoy eternity.


:cool:Once again you believe yourself to be superior to others you regard the vast exoteric majority as childish all hail you master.:p I suppose you are not as crafty as some pagans that actually call themselves christians or even Ministers and Priests,Preachers and try to destroy christianity from the inside out, so at least you admit it I will give you that!.
I will not try to defend mainstream christianity myself eg the Anglican or Catholic churches as both i see below contempt nor the just as contemptable Prosperity gospel so far as I care these either rotten or fabricated organisations can all die quick deaths it wouldnt harm christs message one iota either way. However christs message to humanity is much bigger than a few man made 21st century apostate doctrines formulated by psuedo pagans.
May interest you to know Nazis originated in Occult pagan ideas of the Thule Society another esoteric secret society whom obtained many of their ideas from Theosophies Madame Blatavatsky. So the occultists of all shades bear full responsibility for the Jewish holocaust, Freemasons and hippies and the new age movement all are to blame. Gnostic and eastern spirituality is nothing but a poison chalice.
:rolleyes:

You should seriously start looking at life more realistically. You contradict your self at every turn.
I ask you this sir:
You say you couldn't care less about the Catholics or the Anglicans? That they could die quick deaths? And an event such as this wouldn't harm Christ's message in any way?
Do yourself a favour.
If you are going to be throwing around words bigger and more complex than your brain about an outdated system of rules which are nothing more than a fanciful tale in this day and age (Christianity), then at least have the respect and dignity to read the fictitious novel upon which your chosen faith is based.
But, oh, wait... your apparent lack of any grammatical knowledge would probably make such a task troublesome.
Respect thy neighbour?
Please.
And what exactly IS Christ's message to humanity, Mr Enlightenment?
I will not deny that Jesus Christ, real or not, son of God or crazy prophet, was a GOOD MAN.
A man worthy of respect. At least as much respect as giving His name a capital 'C', which you also forgot.

BeenThereDoneThat
10-03-2008, 11:04 AM
Jesus is a dead man...he was not God. We all know that deep down in our hearts, because we all know Jesus was a false pophet and a blashemer.
Hippies(are the meek) and the circle will never be broken, so don't appeal to your inner fears by blaming them.You have something aggainst pot maybe because your chicken shit self righteous tone...but alll along you reveal the scum that you are when you speak shit against them. EVER HEARD OF SPIRITUAL POT? no...BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE WAY TO SPIRITUALITY. gmafb..Judge how you are being and will be judged. You Jesus freaks are retards.

Catholic priests are baby rapists,Mormans are mostly pedophiles,Christians in general are self righteous occultists and the rest of the world is stupid for allowing these hate mongers to live.

Very few will see the kingdom of God.Those who actually believe in Jesus have given their souls to satan. Calling those that do not believe in Christ satanists in itself is a standard practiced by you fools that proves my point.
Eye for an eye leaves the instigators blind, since punishment is double.
Aya Aye mate;s

Mabe the real messiah is watching this thread...but he too ...will deny the Christians for the blashemy they scourge the earth with.

God lives...He is that He is. The rest of you can go to hell.:)

theonewillcome
10-03-2008, 01:50 PM
Awake ye people of the world
Itís time for ye to fight
Wake up from your slumber
And in God we will unite

The Roman scourge is closing in
The Evil one He comes
The EU with itís wrongful laws
And the worship of the Sun

The Freemasonic enemy
That eats us from within
The Beast of Revelation
Duping you into Sin

The Humanist approach they cry
That really is a ruse
Itís Lucifer and his ungodly thoughts
Thatís infiltrating YOU

Open your eyes and say these words
As Gods judgement comes from above
JESUS youíre our saviour, I repent my Sins
Forgive me Lord, for i was weak and now i need your Love.

theonewillcome
10-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Jesus is a dead man...he was not God. We all know that deep down in our hearts, because we all know Jesus was a false pophet and a blashemer.
Hippies(are the meek) and the circle will never be broken, so don't appeal to your inner fears by blaming them.You have something aggainst pot maybe because your chicken shit self righteous tone...but alll along you reveal the scum that you are when you speak shit against them. EVER HEARD OF SPIRITUAL POT? no...BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE WAY TO SPIRITUALITY. gmafb..Judge how you are being and will be judged. You Jesus freaks are retards.

Catholic priests are baby rapists,Mormans are mostly pedophiles,Christians in general are self righteous occultists and the rest of the world is stupid for allowing these hate mongers to live.

Very few will see the kingdom of God.Those who actually believe in Jesus have given their souls to satan. Calling those that do not believe in Christ satanists in itself is a standard practiced by you fools that proves my point.
Eye for an eye leaves the instigators blind, since punishment is double.
Aya Aye mate;s

Mabe the real messiah is watching this thread...but he too ...will deny the Christians for the blashemy they scourge the earth with.

God lives...He is that He is. The rest of you can go to hell.:)



May God forgive you!!

You preach about judgement and hate, but are a Judge and full of hatred yourself.

How could you possibly believe that you promote Gods word.

Leonardo
10-03-2008, 03:18 PM
Awake ye people of the world
Itís time for ye to fight
Wake up from your slumber
And in God we will unite

The Roman scourge is closing in
The Evil one He comes
The EU with itís wrongful laws
And the worship of the Sun

The Freemasonic enemy
That eats us from within
The Beast of Revelation
Duping you into Sin

The Humanist approach they cry
That really is a ruse
Itís Lucifer and his ungodly thoughts
Thatís infiltrating YOU

Open your eyes and say these words
As Gods judgement comes from above
JESUS youíre our saviour, I repent my Sins
Forgive me Lord, for i was weak and now i need your Love.

Hey that was actually pretty good. I enjoyed that. Quite nice, very 'zeitgeist' yet with impressionistic overtones.

We should start a poetry thread..

Leonardo
10-03-2008, 03:36 PM
Jesus is a dead man...he was not God. We all know that deep down in our hearts, because we all know Jesus was a false pophet and a blashemer.
Hippies(are the meek) and the circle will never be broken, so don't appeal to your inner fears by blaming them.You have something aggainst pot maybe because your chicken shit self righteous tone...but alll along you reveal the scum that you are when you speak shit against them. EVER HEARD OF SPIRITUAL POT? no...BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE WAY TO SPIRITUALITY. gmafb..Judge how you are being and will be judged. You Jesus freaks are retards.

Catholic priests are baby rapists,Mormans are mostly pedophiles,Christians in general are self righteous occultists and the rest of the world is stupid for allowing these hate mongers to live.

Very few will see the kingdom of God.Those who actually believe in Jesus have given their souls to satan. Calling those that do not believe in Christ satanists in itself is a standard practiced by you fools that proves my point.
Eye for an eye leaves the instigators blind, since punishment is double.
Aya Aye mate;s

Mabe the real messiah is watching this thread...but he too ...will deny the Christians for the blashemy they scourge the earth with.

God lives...He is that He is. The rest of you can go to hell.:)

My blue flashy morning star avatar is better than yours.

It's just better.

Ozziecynic
10-07-2008, 06:54 AM
Ok simple question to all reasonably level headed anti christ posters ( vampire women excluded:rolleyes:) now that most of you have shown your TRUE Gnostic inspired colours.Where do most of you NOW stand on Freemasonry and other secret societies whom are for the most part psuedo Gnostic groups.:confused:

BTDT: Doesnt have to answer i know he/she is an orthodox Jew!. And since gnostics seem to hate the OT & Noahide law even more more than orthodox christians i cant see why he/she would to want allie with OT AND Torah hating gnostics.

BeenThereDoneThat
10-07-2008, 09:12 AM
Nice question.
First I will say that it was 88-or 89 when I was 'Tagged' in Tualatin Hospital.I had gone in with a CRACK induced kidney stone.At that time I was a basic non believing street chum.

After waking to them TAGGING me, I was aware that I was under surveilance.I began to pay attention.
The 90's brought some strange occurances. Meth was one of the drugs I became addicted to. I once OD'ed and i have seen the writing on the wall, so say I have been there, for real...in the pits of hell.

I believe in God as a single entity only after finding him and we wont go there beyond that.
I feel that too many people throw faith in religion without any shred of proof beyond that of what they have been told and often it is by ROTE.Same prayers, same rituals, most without any true form of communication with our creator.

I do believe in God now, as I can see and hear what i was unable to pick up on before.

The chip is called Mark of the beast, and i have been called the anti christ, but my message is pure. When you meet chrisst at the criossroads, stop and look who is leaning into his ear. It will astound you,as it is all an illusion using optical neuro transmissions and microwave /radio/elf tech.
I believe in peaace, but as long as we have professional gossip going on around the globe, we can expect a soap opera and peace to be forced by GUN.

Ozzie, I appologize for my Jesus attacks, but look closere, i was called a satanist, one thing i am truely not.


Jesus is a dead man that DID NOT save the world.Our salvation comes when we all pull our heads out.

Now secret societies, well....we have had stupid people throughout history...and its time to stop blaming others.

When a Jew is accepted by all, and the muslim is accepted by all, we will find peace. By the way...I am a wanna be Jew, I was born a loser and am screwed for life, so I guess it is all in the cards when I die.
I will not die.


I will tell you that I havent died yet anyway...after 4 close encounters and 4 sightings of what is on the other side.We all could do better to stop pointing fingers, because God himself created all of the groups and religions . He had a plan ...though we see it as chaotic.

Remember the part where all the fortunes are reversed? that is what it is all about. If you are dirty rich i would worry. otherwise...wait...the truth is very near.


I hope to see you on the HOPI mesas in 2012, 12/21 at 11;11 PM. yOU WILL SEE THEN.

PEACE, AND FTW, THEY DONT CARRY MY BAGGAGE.They don't carry yours either.

I want to block the signal so I can draw what i saw closer. The pic in my avitar best describes how deep I can get...this is how close I got. Mind you...this is a photo best describing what i saw..but not my pic.


There is more to the world than you know. Some are just loose weight. They know not what they are saying.


Peace to all today...before we all start spewing again tomorrow.It is a mysterious world we live in.


I publicly appologize to those i offended. It is hard to maintain ones true Identity.I don't want to make anyone cry.

Leonardo
10-07-2008, 12:29 PM
Nice question.
First I will say that it was 88-or 89 when I was 'Tagged' in Tualatin Hospital.I had gone in with a CRACK induced kidney stone.At that time I was a basic non believing street chum.

After waking to them TAGGING me, I was aware that I was under surveilance.I began to pay attention.
The 90's brought some strange occurances. Meth was one of the drugs I became addicted to. I once OD'ed and i have seen the writing on the wall, so say I have been there, for real...in the pits of hell.

I believe in God as a single entity only after finding him and we wont go there beyond that.
I feel that too many people throw faith in religion without any shred of proof beyond that of what they have been told and often it is by ROTE.Same prayers, same rituals, most without any true form of communication with our creator.

I do believe in God now, as I can see and hear what i was unable to pick up on before.

The chip is called Mark of the beast, and i have been called the anti christ, but my message is pure. When you meet chrisst at the criossroads, stop and look who is leaning into his ear. It will astound you,as it is all an illusion using optical neuro transmissions and microwave /radio/elf tech.
I believe in peaace, but as long as we have professional gossip going on around the globe, we can expect a soap opera and peace to be forced by GUN.

Ozzie, I appologize for my Jesus attacks, but look closere, i was called a satanist, one thing i am truely not.


Jesus is a dead man that DID NOT save the world.Our salvation comes when we all pull our heads out.

Now secret societies, well....we have had stupid people throughout history...and its time to stop blaming others.

When a Jew is accepted by all, and the muslim is accepted by all, we will find peace. By the way...I am a wanna be Jew, I was born a loser and am screwed for life, so I guess it is all in the cards when I die.
I will not die.


I will tell you that I havent died yet anyway...after 4 close encounters and 4 sightings of what is on the other side.We all could do better to stop pointing fingers, because God himself created all of the groups and religions . He had a plan ...though we see it as chaotic.

Remember the part where all the fortunes are reversed? that is what it is all about. If you are dirty rich i would worry. otherwise...wait...the truth is very near.


I hope to see you on the HOPI mesas in 2012, 12/21 at 11;11 PM. yOU WILL SEE THEN.

PEACE, AND FTW, THEY DONT CARRY MY BAGGAGE.They don't carry yours either.

I want to block the signal so I can draw what i saw closer. The pic in my avitar best describes how deep I can get...this is how close I got. Mind you...this is a photo best describing what i saw..but not my pic.


There is more to the world than you know. Some are just loose weight. They know not what they are saying.


Peace to all today...before we all start spewing again tomorrow.It is a mysterious world we live in.


I publicly appologize to those i offended. It is hard to maintain ones true Identity.I don't want to make anyone cry.

Jesus is alive and risen. He did save our world, but there is a PATH of Salvation to be followed to be saved by him. And since most people do not follow that 'path' most of the world is not saved. God did not create all religion he only created the Church in Jesus Christ for the former and latter ages to be brought into one body. All other religiousities are works of Satan and work to deceive the inhabitants of the earth.

You need to lay off the pharmakia and start reading the New Testament writings. The drugs have done much damage to your mind. The Writings will help you rebuild it and restore to you lost years.

theonewillcome
10-07-2008, 04:44 PM
It's a shame really that you think like that, for unless you rethink (repent) it will all be in vain. There is a God yes and he loves you and awaits you, but you can only get to him through Jesus Christ our saviour. Ask God for guidance and he will lead you to the truth.

Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Leonardo
10-07-2008, 06:40 PM
Nice question.
First I will say that it was 88-or 89 when I was 'Tagged' in Tualatin Hospital.I had gone in with a CRACK induced kidney stone.At that time I was a basic non believing street chum.

After waking to them TAGGING me, I was aware that I was under surveilance.I began to pay attention.
The 90's brought some strange occurances. Meth was one of the drugs I became addicted to. I once OD'ed and i have seen the writing on the wall, so say I have been there, for real...in the pits of hell.

I believe in God as a single entity only after finding him and we wont go there beyond that.
I feel that too many people throw faith in religion without any shred of proof beyond that of what they have been told and often it is by ROTE.Same prayers, same rituals, most without any true form of communication with our creator.

I do believe in God now, as I can see and hear what i was unable to pick up on before.

The chip is called Mark of the beast, and i have been called the anti christ, but my message is pure. When you meet chrisst at the criossroads, stop and look who is leaning into his ear. It will astound you,as it is all an illusion using optical neuro transmissions and microwave /radio/elf tech.
I believe in peaace, but as long as we have professional gossip going on around the globe, we can expect a soap opera and peace to be forced by GUN.

Ozzie, I appologize for my Jesus attacks, but look closere, i was called a satanist, one thing i am truely not.


Jesus is a dead man that DID NOT save the world.Our salvation comes when we all pull our heads out.

Now secret societies, well....we have had stupid people throughout history...and its time to stop blaming others.

When a Jew is accepted by all, and the muslim is accepted by all, we will find peace. By the way...I am a wanna be Jew, I was born a loser and am screwed for life, so I guess it is all in the cards when I die.
I will not die.


I will tell you that I havent died yet anyway...after 4 close encounters and 4 sightings of what is on the other side.We all could do better to stop pointing fingers, because God himself created all of the groups and religions . He had a plan ...though we see it as chaotic.

Remember the part where all the fortunes are reversed? that is what it is all about. If you are dirty rich i would worry. otherwise...wait...the truth is very near.


I hope to see you on the HOPI mesas in 2012, 12/21 at 11;11 PM. yOU WILL SEE THEN.

PEACE, AND FTW, THEY DONT CARRY MY BAGGAGE.They don't carry yours either.

I want to block the signal so I can draw what i saw closer. The pic in my avitar best describes how deep I can get...this is how close I got. Mind you...this is a photo best describing what i saw..but not my pic.


There is more to the world than you know. Some are just loose weight. They know not what they are saying.


Peace to all today...before we all start spewing again tomorrow.It is a mysterious world we live in.


I publicly appologize to those i offended. It is hard to maintain ones true Identity.I don't want to make anyone cry.

[The chip is called Mark of the beast, and i have been called the anti christ, but my message is pure.]

You are the anti christ and your message is pure anti christ

[I appologize for my Jesus attacks, but look closere, i was called a satanist, one thing i am truely not.]

You're not a Satanist? You might as well be. If it walks like a Satanist and talks like a Satanist it is a Satanist in my book. Jesus said, "Beware of false teachers...you will know them by their fruits." Again John writes, "This is the spirit of anti christ, he who denies the Father and the Son."

You couldn't be more Satanic if you tried. You are a babbling bafoon walking about this forum under some cloke and veil that you believe actually works. The only one you are fooling is yourself.

Everyone else just sees Wolf when they read your posts.

BeenThereDoneThat
10-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Judge me all ya want. :) God lives, he is that he is.

I guess it's not worth the time with you freaking teenage mutant ninja turtles is it? You will damn your selves to hell any way.


One God....One Way. I told ya so.:eek:

Ozziecynic
10-08-2008, 07:04 AM
alive and risen. He did save our world, but there is a PATH of Salvation to be followed to be saved by him. And since most people do not follow that 'path' most of the world is not saved.

Well its clear from your posts you believe in false messiah like the maitreya(antichrist) you do not know Christ the son of God and never will you have reprobate mind!.


God did not create all religion he only created the Church in Jesus Christ for the former and latter ages to be brought into one body. All other religiousities are works of Satan and work to deceive the inhabitants of the earth.


Well it would seem most Gnostics of all varities like to place themsleves in exoteric religiousities under the guise being orthodox christians even clergy just so they can play hand jobs with kids on behalf of scum like alistair crowley. It s seems the gnostics of various colours have done a diabolically fine job of holy descration and spiritual barreness in most mainstream Chrsitian churchs especially the catholic and anglican churches thats episcopal church for most of you here and their greatest infiltration to date that of the pentecostal movement via prosperity gospel seems the rout is fait accompli!.


You're not a Satanist? You might as well be. If it walks like a Satanist and talks like a Satanist it is a Satanist in my book. Jesus said, "Beware of false teachers...you will know them by their fruits." Again John writes, "This is the spirit of anti christ, he who denies the Father and the Son. You couldn't be more Satanic if you tried. You are a babbling bafoon walking about this forum under some cloke and veil that you believe actually works. The only one you are fooling is yourself.
:eek: yU VE GOT TO BE jestng!! YOU are one of the :eek:yOUVE GOT TO BE JESTING your one of the biggest anti christ heretic examples i ve ever seen on any online forum to date please dont bother trying to speak for those whom have true faith in Christ.
Atleast BTDT doesnt try to pass himself off as something he is not by infiltrating a religion & distorting its message. Talkabout a snakeskin salesman=Leonardo.

BeenThereDoneThat
10-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Many here realize from the content that Christians vs The World are exactly that.The conspircy that fuels such desires of hate. Why not call anyone who thinks freely,'Bastards against the world'While Christians call themselves JUDGES OF THE WORLD.Why are ya all so BLOODY!
In my eyes, when Jesus and his 'Followers' insisted that Jesus was the Christ and that he was going to save (reverse) Gods word(remember, God promises to destroy the wicked, not save them according to the Hebrew version of the TRUE Bible.)they destroyed peace for ever.It is a self destruction. The more that Christians Bable, the more screwed we all are, in the sense no one can save them selves. Few see past the BS.No one can think for himself with out being singled out and judged.

Jesus was a ruse to get people to pay taxes. The first secret societies were BANKERS in the GUISE of PRIESTS. The rest of the world has been at war over HOLY interpretation ever since.Maybe the Jews are rich, but not in control. There are many wealthy and supposed Christians.Christian as a word is like HUFFY in the bicycle bussiness. Not quite up to par but still pedaling.This of course is and always will be my opinion.

Ok, so I admitted in the past I made mistakes. I still do. Human all the same. You can cal me fake as well. That is your choice. My point is, if you are so saved, then why all the condemnations? Drug history or not... Jesus won't save me. I am a Believer In God(Thus elite in my own opinion, and illumined by truth. I need no salvation). The truth is not always pretty and contradicts those lies that CHRISTIANS fail to uphold.It is hammer time.

Now like I said, WE ARE ALL SINNERS against nature, and not one of us is perfect. True Christians will not even respond to these posts, their faith would forbid them to contend, so no one here is anything other than talking to talk.'Judge ye not is a rule' that is COMMON KNOWLEDGE, and you need not be a Christian to know that it is the standard that the 'SAVED' go by.Honestly,This is a pathetic hope that they(saved Christians) can abide by.. Glad I don't go there, I no longer believe in Jesus like I did as a Kid. The fear of God kept me listening to the BS preachers..I know who crossed my path and who my enemies are, I will not let them onto my lot.The whole Jesus is God, or Jesus is Gods Son is a bunch of Crap that can't be proven but throughEXTENDED or ADDED text. It is all opinion, thus pushing that BS should be unlawful, right? You say what you want. I do not care. Feel free. YOU ARE SEPERATED FROM THE HOLY by being free to speak and free to think. We all share this coveted sin. Arent we all sinners?We are HUMAN!

Now to Garner peace...I would have to bend some and say, fine...You believe in Jesus. To recieve peace, you would have to stiop preaching that which is not the origin of faiths and that which offends the free thinker and follower of other faiths. Christians ought to just 'SHUT UP' if they are saved right?NO ONE IS SAVED,NO ONE. WE ALL WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR FAILURES.Even the trash talkin Jesus freak and the Big A%&hole wanna be Jews like my self will face God to see how we failed. No one will get by this hitch.



This can only be solved on the day when the 4th cycle is complete. This I speak of is planetary, linked to the pagans and subject to discussion on soltice grounds. Even Christians celebrate 12/25 during the solstice observation periods.Who is the proper ritualist? WHO?
What ever we choose to believe, the true message from God is OBEDIENCE. When we all think we know it all...we all hate each other because we think we are right. Wow, glad it does not matter, REALLY!.Responsibility is our purpose here. The earth can reward and take care of us all if used properly. Talkin trash does not help- free society and its right to believe in any faith it wants. Making sure the presidential candidates are Christian? BIG F"N MISTAKE.THEY SHOULD NEVER BE FORCED TO REVEAL FAITH as a ticket embrace. Sorry, but I speak french often.

Beyond trying to show the imbalance here, I am guilty of trying to ruse and intimidate Leonardo(He is a fake ). Then again, I could be the ANTI CHRIST>(which can not exist). I am not here.It is all in your head.Thank God we can even argue such a thread.

As far as insulting dead people....He IS dead and did nothing for us.My opinion is not a crime nor a sin. Jesus may have said it, but he did not say it first, and eye for an eye stands.Very few will see the kingdom of God. We will all bow our heads. FTW(For the win)
God is that he is , There is NONE ELSE. He is a rock and Mighty fortress.May the chosen few find protection under his wing. May the wicked prepare for their Karma. GOD LIVES. His indignation wil be righteous. The destruction of the wicked will be deserved.The survivers will be lucky.Our mouths will be sealed and there will be no ceebrations....and to think we all could have figured this out on our own.
My english is broken and my grammar sucks. That won't hurt my feelings.

Leonardo
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
Well its clear from your posts you believe in false messiah like the maitreya(antichrist) you do not know Christ the son of God and never will you have reprobate mind!.




Well it would seem most Gnostics of all varities like to place themsleves in exoteric religiousities under the guise being orthodox christians even clergy just so they can play hand jobs with kids on behalf of scum like alistair crowley. It s seems the gnostics of various colours have done a diabolically fine job of holy descration and spiritual barreness in most mainstream Chrsitian churchs especially the catholic and anglican churches thats episcopal church for most of you here and their greatest infiltration to date that of the pentecostal movement via prosperity gospel seems the rout is fait accompli!.



:eek: yU VE GOT TO BE jestng!! YOU are one of the :eek:yOUVE GOT TO BE JESTING your one of the biggest anti christ heretic examples i ve ever seen on any online forum to date please dont bother trying to speak for those whom have true faith in Christ.
Atleast BTDT doesnt try to pass himself off as something he is not by infiltrating a religion & distorting its message. Talkabout a snakeskin salesman=Leonardo.

White man speak with fork tongue.

Time=Now
10-08-2008, 01:07 PM
It's more like the Reptilian bloodlines that have created all the religions V.S. the World!

theonewillcome
10-08-2008, 02:08 PM
A hater, a gnostic and someone who believes in reptilians, God help us!!

I pray that Jesus comes quickly.

BeenThereDoneThat
10-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Well then, lets make it simple:

Gods message is..."I have not changed. I am that I am, there is none beside me.A just God and your salvation. Those who believe in me make me their friend. Those who war with my faithful ,war with me.The wicked shall not escape my wrath."
I just thought I would share what I know. Don't say I did not warn you all. 10-08-08...my work is done

I believe he said it all....through me...I have nothing further to say about this matter.J

Now you can call me the ANTI-CHRIST...It is an honor. Just don't call me Jesus...My name is David! I am a son of God just like the rest of the men on this planet, and my dignity is in tact. Praise God, he is that he is, 'Lord of Hosts'.:)

theonewillcome
10-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Yep that's good, now try reading the remaining chapters and you will know the rest of the story.

BlueAngel
10-08-2008, 07:11 PM
GOD has a message for this thread.

He seeks to bring us together and not to separate us from one another.

Peace!

BeenThereDoneThat
10-08-2008, 08:16 PM
Sorry to hear that the secret societies have conspired to ruin you and that you are convinced of salvation. Good luck.:)

BlueAngel
10-08-2008, 08:30 PM
Sorry to hear that the secret societies have conspired to ruin you and that you are convinced of salvation. Good luck.:)

Care to address your comment to anyone in particular or are you just casting it to the wind?

You appear to be a very BITTER person.

If you're speaking to me, I will say this.

You are correct in your assertion that there are people who conspired to RUIN me.

As evidenced, they did not.

They would be the ones who shall not see salvation.

They would be the ones who are in need of GOOD LUCK.

However, luck shall play no part in this matter.

BlueAngel
10-08-2008, 08:32 PM
It's more like the Reptilian bloodlines that have created all the religions V.S. the World!

Reptilian bloodlines do not exist.

AALEYAH
10-09-2008, 02:09 AM
GOD has a message for this thread.

He seeks to bring us together and not to separate us from one another.

Peace!

Well spoken!
I completely agree with you Angel. Well... maybe not completely. I believe we can make a change, not through a God per se, but through our conjoined aspiration to make a change.
If you have ever wondered why the people in charge, ARE IN CHARGE, even though they are clearly a minority, it is simply because of the fact that they are a group of people with the same goals and views. They are influential in their delivery.
If we could all open our minds and learn to live in harmony with one another, we could make something positive of our lives. We could make a change...
I believe a revolution is coming. Either that or a war.

But I hope for the former.

Leonardo
10-09-2008, 02:32 AM
Well spoken!
I completely agree with you Angel. Well... maybe not completely. I believe we can make a change, not through a God per se, but through our conjoined aspiration to make a change.
If you have ever wondered why the people in charge, ARE IN CHARGE, even though they are clearly a minority, it is simply because of the fact that they are a group of people with the same goals and views. They are influential in their delivery.
If we could all open our minds and learn to live in harmony with one another, we could make something positive of our lives. We could make a change...
I believe a revolution is coming. Either that or a war.

But I hope for the former.

How am I supposed to live in harmony with a Vampire like you who bites people in castles, drink their blood, and then turns them into vampires?

That's just RETARDED! What we need to do is call in the horror pest control and eradicate in whole sale genocide ALL THE VAMPIRES!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

OOORRRAAAH!

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Ozziecynic
10-09-2008, 05:35 AM
Fra Leon I take it that you have dragged along two of your old flames BA ofcause & now AALEYAH!. Gees cant you keep your falied love life or OTO lodge harem out of cc or perhaps you guys are now running the circus & just goovy is head clown (frater).:rolleyes::p

BlueAngel
10-09-2008, 09:13 AM
Fra Leon I take it that you have dragged along two of your old flames BA ofcause & now AALEYAH!. Gees cant you keep your falied love life or OTO lodge harem out of cc or perhaps you guys are now running the circus & just goovy is head clown (frater).:rolleyes::p

Excuse me, but maybe you're the clown.

Don't use my name in the same breathe as Leonardo's and don't ever imply that I am his old flame.

Understand?

AALEYAH
10-09-2008, 09:21 AM
How am I supposed to live in harmony with a Vampire like you who bites people in castles, drink their blood, and then turns them into vampires?

That's just RETARDED! What we need to do is call in the horror pest control and eradicate in whole sale genocide ALL THE VAMPIRES!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

KILL THE VAMPIRE!

OOORRRAAAH!



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Yes Leonardo.
I agree with you. I can't expect you to do that.
I am a horrible, horrible creature. An evil, vindictive pest. I wait until my victim is asleep. Usually a small child or an injured person. The blood of the weak is the sweetest for me.

I sneak in through the window
and glide across the floor.
not man, nor beast, nor god
could stop the devil's whore.
I wait, and then, approach you
just when you least expect
and interrupt your dreaming
with a small and painless peck.
They say the kiss is rapture
It feels just like heaven
but wait 'til you awaken
and never live again...

Sleep tight Leo.

Leonardo
10-09-2008, 02:23 PM
Yes Leonardo.
I agree with you. I can't expect you to do that.
I am a horrible, horrible creature. An evil, vindictive pest. I wait until my victim is asleep. Usually a small child or an injured person. The blood of the weak is the sweetest for me.

I sneak in through the window
and glide across the floor.
not man, nor beast, nor god
could stop the devil's whore.
I wait, and then, approach you
just when you least expect
and interrupt your dreaming
with a small and painless peck.
They say the kiss is rapture
It feels just like heaven
but wait 'til you awaken
and never live again...

Sleep tight Leo.

I know one God who can stop the devil's whore.



And after these things I saw another Angel come down from heaven, having Great Power; and the whole earth was illuminated with his Glory.


And he cried mightily with Strong Voice, saying, BABALON THE GREAT is fallen, is fallen! and is transformed into the Habitation of Demons , and the Prison of every Vile Spirit, and a Cage of every Foul and Ravenous Bird.

For all nations have drunk of the Wine of the Outrage of her Pornia, and the Kings of the earth have wrought Pornia with her, and the Merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


For her sins have reached unto the Celestorum itself, and God hath remembered her Injustice.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.


How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,


And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Beware the God who enters in through Windows and takes the crafty in their sleep as a thief in the night.

Time=Now
10-09-2008, 03:54 PM
A hater, a gnostic and someone who believes in reptilians, God help us!!

I pray that Jesus comes quickly.

I've been waiting for something like this to use as an example, although it is amazing that I can get even more frustrated, as your little exhibition of how most people 'think' ... well, ... stinks!

SHOW ME RIGHT NOW WHERE I AM A HATER... ---> WHAT I'M HATING RIGHT NOW IS THE WAY PEOPLE 'THINK'!

I'm not any label but a human being; I'm not agnostic either; I'll believe consciousness exists perhaps even as the entire Planet, called Gaia, before I'll believe 'God' created the Earth in 7 days, & the only 'gods' that have an influence are the very real ETs that manipulated mankind's genetics thousands of years ago. If you believe an entity (that would've had to come from somewhere), had actually created the universe & put life only on one Planet, God help YOU! :D

It's more enlightening to know the true dynamics of who we are & where we came from & whence we are going by looking at the FACTS, rather than lazily 'satisfying' a void of knowledge by filling that void with fairy tales. For example: ENSI/SENSI Lesson: Origin of Life: Coacervate Formation (http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/coacerv.html)

(I had read as a teenager in one of the big books I always had my nose in as I was teased that the conditions during the beginning of the Earth's formation were recreated in a lab, with all the gases, temperature, etc, & what was learned was that we need not have a supernatural force to create life; it forms on it's own. - Amino Acids were formed in the simulation, & give them a few years, & when DNA replicates, the offspring is not always the exact combination of the parents, therefore there are always mutations, & different forms. - The ones suited to the environment will survive, those that are not will not. - And to be suited to survive in this world, we must be able to open our minds to the TRUTH, the FACTS, or we will perish for lack of knowledge.

'a gnostic' is not spelled that way anyways, it's 'agnostic'. And about Jesus; If you were God, would you put your Son into this fucked up, DANGEROUS world??? I think not. Virgins don't give birth to anyone, unless they cheat or get raped & don't want to disclose that information. Pigs don't fly either. Jesus was simply a good man... Like me, & many others that are against the elite's corruption, manipulation, & crimes against humanity.
When 'Jesus' comes, it'll be staged, & all will be tricked as they were thousands of years ago by the Drakos.

http://www.criticalunity.org/files/Reptilian_Research_Archives.pdf - read it & tell me that all these people are nuts... All of them... hmm... that's quite improbable.

BlueAngel
10-09-2008, 04:30 PM
Fra Leon I take it that you have dragged along two of your old flames BA ofcause & now AALEYAH!. Gees cant you keep your falied love life or OTO lodge harem out of cc or perhaps you guys are now running the circus & just goovy is head clown (frater).:rolleyes::p

Leo dragged me along to this site.

How so?

I entered this site alone and I will leave this site alone.

It's called being a LONE WOLF.

Time=Now
10-09-2008, 04:45 PM
And while it is so easy to turn things around in the world, (just have an open mind & look at the facts, as this is your only life) , people still keep on talking crap... So sad...

Time=Now
10-09-2008, 05:12 PM
Reptilian bloodlines do not exist.

And who made you the all-knowing God?
Hmm... I Didn't know that... So I guess that since I must be naive, (since your assumptions=reality,) I should believe what you wrote as fact, because 'I read it on the internet' , right? LOL! :D

So, I guess the genealogical (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Tl3&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=genealogical&spell=1) records that trace almost everyone that has been in power (gov & monarchy) indicate that they are interbreeding simply out of snobbery... Yeah, like that makes more sense than the obvious; Look at the accounts of the Egyptians & others that claim that their leaders were 'Lizard men'... The Sumarian tablets that were recently translated CLEARLY prove that extraterrestrials interacted with us, & lived among the people. You must have not done any reading on the subject, such as the Book of Enoch... :eek: ... So I'm going to go now. ... Keep believing that normal people are in power, & that it would be possible to live with themselves for manipulating the people with things like 9/11 without having an emotional bypass like the hybrids do.
http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/329am.jpg

BlueAngel
10-09-2008, 07:43 PM
And who made you the all-knowing God?
Hmm... I Didn't know that... So I guess that since I must be naive, (since your assumptions=reality,) I should believe what you wrote as fact, because 'I read it on the internet' , right? LOL! :D

So, I guess the genealogical (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Tl3&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=genealogical&spell=1) records that trace almost everyone that has been in power (gov & monarchy) indicate that they are interbreeding simply out of snobbery... Yeah, like that makes more sense than the obvious; Look at the accounts of the Egyptians & others that claim that their leaders were 'Lizard men'... The Sumarian tablets that were recently translated CLEARLY prove that extraterrestrials interacted with us, & lived among the people. You must have not done any reading on the subject, such as the Book of Enoch... :eek: ... So I'm going to go now. ... Keep believing that normal people are in power, & that it would be possible to live with themselves for manipulating the people with things like 9/11 without having an emotional bypass like the hybrids do.
http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/329am.jpg

Unless I see them with my own eyes, they do not exist, IMO.

Time=Now
10-10-2008, 12:40 AM
HEY, MATE: If someone farts in your face, you don't see it, but you sure as hell will believe it...
Basically, if you don't see (the evidence, just look at the videos I suggested, namely reptilian agenda & revelations of a Mother Goddess on Google video ) then you won't know, & you will make up your own little mind before even looking at the info... But it's your life.

Leonardo
10-10-2008, 11:28 AM
http://www.truthnet.org/christianity/revelation/revelation10/mighty_angel.jpg

And after these things I saw another Angel come down from the Celestorum, having Great Power; and the whole earth was illuminated with his Glory.


And he roared forth mightily with Strong Voice, saying,

BABALON THE GREAT is fallen, is fallen!
and is transformed into the Haunt of Demons ,
and the Prison of every Vile Spirit,
and a Cage of every Foul and Ravenous Bird.

For all nations have drunk of the Wine of the Outrage of her PORNIA,
and the Kings of the earth have produced PORNIA with her,
and the MARKETERS of the earth are grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


And I heard another Voice from the CELESTORUM , saying,
Come out of her, my people,
that you be not partakers of her Violations,
and that you receive none of her PLAGUES.


For her sins have reached to the Celestorum itself,
and AL has remembered her IN-EQUITIES.

Reward her back even as she rewarded you,
and multiply to her in Double according to her works:
in the CUP which she hath filled fill to her in again in Double.


How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much TORMENT & SORROW give her:
for she now says in her heart,
I sit as QUEEN,
I am no WIDOW,
and shall never see no SORROW.

Therefore shall her Plagues come in one day,
DEATH, and MOURNING, and FAMINE;
and she shall be utterly burned with the FIRE:
for strong is ADONAI ALOHIM who exacts the JUDGEMENT against her.

And the Kings of the Earth, who have produced PORNIA and lived deliciously with her, shall wail in torment over her, and lament for her, when they shall see the SMOKE of her PIRE,

Standing afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, saying,
Alas, alas, even that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON, that MIGHTY CITY!

for in one hour's time is thy JUDGMENT come.

And the MARKETERS of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no one will buy their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of Gold, and Silver,
Precious Stones, Pearls, and Fine Linen,
and Purple, and Silk, and Scarlet,
All thy Wood, and all Vessels of Ivory,
and all Vessels of most Precious Wood,
Brass, and Iron, and Marble,
Even Cinnamon, and Incense,
and Perfumes, and Frankincense,
Neither Wine, nor Oils,
Nor Wheat, nor Flour
Nor Livestock, nor sheep, nor horses,
Neither the Chariots, nor slaves, nor men's souls.

For the Productions that your Soul lusted after have been emptied from you, and all things which were fine & high class have departed from you, and you shall find them no more at all forever.

The MARKETERS of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, weeping and wailing, and saying,

Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY,
that was clothed in Fine Linen, and Purple, and Scarlet,
and bedecked with Gold, and Precious Stones, and Pearls!

For in one hour such Great Wealth has been reduced to NOTHING. And every shipmaster, and all the Company in Shiping, and its Crewmen, and as many as Trade by the ABYSS, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the Smoke of her Burning, saying, What city is like unto this GRANDIOSE CITY!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY, wherein were made rich all that had Ships in the ABYSS by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rejoice over her, O CELESTORUM!, and you Holistic APOSTALOI & PROPHETS; for AL has avenged you on her.

And a MIGHTY ANGEL took up a Stone like a Great millstone, and hurled it into the ABYSS, saying, Thus with TORRENT shall that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON be overthrown, and shall be found no more at all.

And the Voice of Harper,
Muscian,
and Piper,
and Trumpeter,

shall be heard no more at all in you;

and no MASON,
of whatsoever CRAFT he be,

shall be found any more in you; and the Sound of a Millstone shall be heard no more at all in you;

And the Light of a Candle shall shine no more at all in you;

and the Voice of Bridegroom & Bride shall be heard no more at all in you:
for your Marketers were the Elite Men of the earth;
for by your PHARMAKIA were all GOYIM deluded.

And in her was found the Blood of Prophets, and of the Holistic,
and of all that were slain upon the earth.

http://www.jesuspolice.com/uploads/14JC&MMwindow.jpg

Edit: Sorry Leonardo, had to take out Mr. Dickinson, but I'm leaving the link in case anyone has withdrawals. :) jg

Bruce Dickinson Taking The Queen - FREE MP3 Stream - Listen on ***** Music (http://www.*****.com/rockmusic10/music/1gUOTUb3/bruce_dickinson_taking_the_queen)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Lady_Wren_Thistle/NinedaysMirrorMirror.jpg

BlueAngel
10-10-2008, 02:05 PM
HEY, MATE: If someone farts in your face, you don't see it, but you sure as hell will believe it...
Basically, if you don't see (the evidence, just look at the videos I suggested, namely reptilian agenda & revelations of a Mother Goddess on Google video ) then you won't know, & you will make up your own little mind before even looking at the info... But it's your life.

I don't really care if reptilians exist or not so I won't be spending any time reading what has been posted on the net about them.

I think if someone flatuates in your face, you would know it.

Bad analogy.

BlueAngel
10-10-2008, 02:07 PM
And while it is so easy to turn things around in the world, (just have an open mind & look at the facts, as this is your only life) , people still keep on talking crap... So sad...

Facts about what?

Really?

It's SO easy to turn things around in the world.

How so?

Leonardo
10-10-2008, 04:19 PM
http://www.truthnet.org/christianity/revelation/revelation10/mighty_angel.jpg

And after these things I saw another Angel come down from the Celestorum, having Great Power; and the whole earth was illuminated with his Glory.


And he roared forth mightily with Strong Voice, saying,

BABALON THE GREAT is fallen, is fallen!
and is transformed into the Haunt of Demons ,
and the Prison of every Vile Spirit,
and a Cage of every Foul and Ravenous Bird.

For all nations have drunk of the Wine of the Outrage of her PORNIA,
and the Kings of the earth have produced PORNIA with her,
and the MARKETERS of the earth are grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


And I heard another Voice from the CELESTORUM , saying,
Come out of her, my people,
that you be not partakers of her Violations,
and that you receive none of her PLAGUES.


For her sins have reached to the Celestorum itself,
and AL has remembered her IN-EQUITIES.

Reward her back even as she rewarded you,
and multiply to her in Double according to her works:
in the CUP which she hath filled fill to her in again in Double.


How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much TORMENT & SORROW give her:
for she now says in her heart,
I sit as QUEEN,
I am no WIDOW,
and shall never see no SORROW.

Therefore shall her Plagues come in one day,
DEATH, and MOURNING, and FAMINE;
and she shall be utterly burned with the FIRE:
for strong is ADONAI ALOHIM who exacts the JUDGEMENT against her.

And the Kings of the Earth, who have produced PORNIA and lived deliciously with her, shall wail in torment over her, and lament for her, when they shall see the SMOKE of her PIRE,

Standing afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, saying,
Alas, alas, even that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON, that MIGHTY CITY!

for in one hour's time is thy JUDGMENT come.

And the MARKETERS of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no one will buy their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of Gold, and Silver,
Precious Stones, Pearls, and Fine Linen,
and Purple, and Silk, and Scarlet,
All thy Wood, and all Vessels of Ivory,
and all Vessels of most Precious Wood,
Brass, and Iron, and Marble,
Even Cinnamon, and Incense,
and Perfumes, and Frankincense,
Neither Wine, nor Oils,
Nor Wheat, nor Flour
Nor Livestock, nor sheep, nor horses,
Neither the Chariots, nor slaves, nor men's souls.

For the Productions that your Soul lusted after have been emptied from you, and all things which were fine & high class have departed from you, and you shall find them no more at all forever.

The MARKETERS of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, weeping and wailing, and saying,

Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY,
that was clothed in Fine Linen, and Purple, and Scarlet,
and bedecked with Gold, and Precious Stones, and Pearls!

For in one hour such Great Wealth has been reduced to NOTHING. And every shipmaster, and all the Company in Shiping, and its Crewmen, and as many as Trade by the ABYSS, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the Smoke of her Burning, saying, What city is like unto this GRANDIOSE CITY!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY, wherein were made rich all that had Ships in the ABYSS by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rejoice over her, O CELESTORUM!, and you Holistic APOSTALOI & PROPHETS; for AL has avenged you on her.

And a MIGHTY ANGEL took up a Stone like a Great millstone, and hurled it into the ABYSS, saying, Thus with TORRENT shall that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON be overthrown, and shall be found no more at all.

And the Voice of Harper,
Muscian,
and Piper,
and Trumpeter,

shall be heard no more at all in you;

and no MASON,
of whatsoever CRAFT he be,

shall be found any more in you; and the Sound of a Millstone shall be heard no more at all in you;

And the Light of a Candle shall shine no more at all in you;

and the Voice of Bridegroom & Bride shall be heard no more at all in you:
for your Marketers were the Elite Men of the earth;
for by your PHARMAKIA were all GOYIM deluded.

And in her was found the Blood of Prophets, and of the Holistic,
and of all that were slain upon the earth.

http://www.jesuspolice.com/uploads/14JC&MMwindow.jpg

Edit: Sorry Leonardo, had to take out Mr. Dickinson, but I'm leaving the link in case anyone has withdrawals. :) jg

Bruce Dickinson Taking The Queen - FREE MP3 Stream - Listen on ***** Music (http://www.*****.com/rockmusic10/music/1gUOTUb3/bruce_dickinson_taking_the_queen)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Lady_Wren_Thistle/NinedaysMirrorMirror.jpg

http://www.*****.com/rockmusic10/music/3FGwGT7n/bruce_dickinson_omega/">Omega - Bruce Dickinson

BlueAngel
10-10-2008, 08:21 PM
http://www.*****.com/rockmusic10/music/3FGwGT7n/bruce_dickinson_omega/">Omega - Bruce Dickinson

OMEGA. A “self-destruct” form of programming, also known as “Code Green.” The corresponding behaviors include suicidal tendencies and/or self-mutilation. This program is generally activated when the victim/survivor begins therapy or interrogation and too much memory is being recovered.\

Bruce Dickinson
Omega

The lryics:

BRUCE DICKINSON - OMEGA LYRICS (http://www.metrolyrics.com/omega-lyrics-bruce-dickinson.html)

Ozziecynic
10-10-2008, 11:13 PM
Hey fra Loen Gnostics and Newage Cults dont believe in Christian apocalypse. They believe humanity is immortal and will live infinately on earth. So there is no christian apocalypse for you. Cant have it both ways.:confused:

Leonardo
10-11-2008, 11:06 AM
Hey fra Loen Gnostics and Newage Cults dont believe in Christian apocalypse. They believe humanity is immortal and will live infinately on earth. So there is no christian apocalypse for you. Cant have it both ways.:confused:

Then I must not be a Gnostic or part of a New Age cult, must I?

theonewillcome
10-11-2008, 12:39 PM
http://www.truthnet.org/christianity/revelation/revelation10/mighty_angel.jpg

And after these things I saw another Angel come down from the Celestorum, having Great Power; and the whole earth was illuminated with his Glory.


And he roared forth mightily with Strong Voice, saying,

BABALON THE GREAT is fallen, is fallen!
and is transformed into the Haunt of Demons ,
and the Prison of every Vile Spirit,
and a Cage of every Foul and Ravenous Bird.

For all nations have drunk of the Wine of the Outrage of her PORNIA,
and the Kings of the earth have produced PORNIA with her,
and the MARKETERS of the earth are grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


And I heard another Voice from the CELESTORUM , saying,
Come out of her, my people,
that you be not partakers of her Violations,
and that you receive none of her PLAGUES.


For her sins have reached to the Celestorum itself,
and AL has remembered her IN-EQUITIES.

Reward her back even as she rewarded you,
and multiply to her in Double according to her works:
in the CUP which she hath filled fill to her in again in Double.


How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much TORMENT & SORROW give her:
for she now says in her heart,
I sit as QUEEN,
I am no WIDOW,
and shall never see no SORROW.

Therefore shall her Plagues come in one day,
DEATH, and MOURNING, and FAMINE;
and she shall be utterly burned with the FIRE:
for strong is ADONAI ALOHIM who exacts the JUDGEMENT against her.

And the Kings of the Earth, who have produced PORNIA and lived deliciously with her, shall wail in torment over her, and lament for her, when they shall see the SMOKE of her PIRE,

Standing afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, saying,
Alas, alas, even that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON, that MIGHTY CITY!

for in one hour's time is thy JUDGMENT come.

And the MARKETERS of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no one will buy their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of Gold, and Silver,
Precious Stones, Pearls, and Fine Linen,
and Purple, and Silk, and Scarlet,
All thy Wood, and all Vessels of Ivory,
and all Vessels of most Precious Wood,
Brass, and Iron, and Marble,
Even Cinnamon, and Incense,
and Perfumes, and Frankincense,
Neither Wine, nor Oils,
Nor Wheat, nor Flour
Nor Livestock, nor sheep, nor horses,
Neither the Chariots, nor slaves, nor men's souls.

For the Productions that your Soul lusted after have been emptied from you, and all things which were fine & high class have departed from you, and you shall find them no more at all forever.

The MARKETERS of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the TERROR of her TORMENT, weeping and wailing, and saying,

Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY,
that was clothed in Fine Linen, and Purple, and Scarlet,
and bedecked with Gold, and Precious Stones, and Pearls!

For in one hour such Great Wealth has been reduced to NOTHING. And every shipmaster, and all the Company in Shiping, and its Crewmen, and as many as Trade by the ABYSS, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the Smoke of her Burning, saying, What city is like unto this GRANDIOSE CITY!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that GRANDIOSE CITY, wherein were made rich all that had Ships in the ABYSS by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rejoice over her, O CELESTORUM!, and you Holistic APOSTALOI & PROPHETS; for AL has avenged you on her.

And a MIGHTY ANGEL took up a Stone like a Great millstone, and hurled it into the ABYSS, saying, Thus with TORRENT shall that GRANDIOSE CITY BABALON be overthrown, and shall be found no more at all.

And the Voice of Harper,
Muscian,
and Piper,
and Trumpeter,

shall be heard no more at all in you;

and no MASON,
of whatsoever CRAFT he be,



shall be found any more in you; and the Sound of a Millstone shall be heard no more at all in you;

And the Light of a Candle shall shine no more at all in you;

and the Voice of Bridegroom & Bride shall be heard no more at all in you:
for your Marketers were the Elite Men of the earth;
for by your PHARMAKIA were all GOYIM deluded.

And in her was found the Blood of Prophets, and of the Holistic,
and of all that were slain upon the earth.

http://www.jesuspolice.com/uploads/14JC&MMwindow.jpg

Edit: Sorry Leonardo, had to take out Mr. Dickinson, but I'm leaving the link in case anyone has withdrawals. :) jg

Bruce Dickinson Taking The Queen - FREE MP3 Stream - Listen on ***** Music (http://www.*****.com/rockmusic10/music/1gUOTUb3/bruce_dickinson_taking_the_queen)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Lady_Wren_Thistle/NinedaysMirrorMirror.jpg

A satanic version of Revelation, no wonder you have a warped mind.

Leonardo
10-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Grasping for straws will in no wise stop the Wheel that is set into motion.

theonewillcome
10-11-2008, 06:39 PM
That is correct Leonardo, it's all about which side you coose to align yourself with.

I know who'll win in the end and that's who i'm backing.

BlueAngel
10-11-2008, 07:56 PM
That is correct Leonardo, it's all about which side you coose to align yourself with.

I know who'll win in the end and that's who i'm backing.

Don't waste your time on Leonardo.

Time=Now
10-13-2008, 11:01 PM
What in the fucking world is with that music!!!????

- NO! - DON'T YOU REALIZE??? YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR YOURSELF TO THEN VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, SUCH AS EVERYONE; IT'S CRITICAL TO UNITE!

Time=Now
10-13-2008, 11:03 PM
OH... I JUST NOTICED .. WTF, caps are on, okay... I just noticed there is an embedded object... cool! - Now when I do my music, you'll all have a taste ;-)

Leonardo
10-14-2008, 03:38 PM
That is correct Leonardo, it's all about which side you coose to align yourself with.

I know who'll win in the end and that's who i'm backing.

Good to have you on board, sailer!

BlueAngel
10-14-2008, 10:22 PM
Yeah, well, JustGroovy, a couple of pages back, Leo posted a thread with some music and it is JUST so not GROOVY that one cannot visit this thread without being forced to listen to it.

Anything you can do about it would be greatly appreciated.

justgroovy
10-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Not an unreasonable request Blue =) I

If I missed any let me know.

Leonardo
10-15-2008, 12:06 PM
Not an unreasonable request Blue =) I

If I missed any let me know.

Objection your honor! First of all, Christianity has come under severe attack in this thread and these attacks include Monarch attacks from the opposition party en gratuit.

Furthermore, there is a long standing precedent of free and liberal personal expression, and the Bill of Rights in the Constitution of the United States of America giving all her citizenry freedom of speech. I have simply made use of the available tools of argumentation and dramatic presentation to display the point in case pro hac vice.

FCC rules regulate mass communications within these United States of America, some of the content may be offensive to some viewers. And yet the ways and means that have been used among the populace by social contract and appeal have been that if the broadcasting content offends one, he may, should and does have the right to change the channel.

Therefore, I propose that instead of a step backwards into a Nazi style form of CC governance, we trust and adhere to the wisdom of the forefathers in these matters. For only by the free and liberal use of all the arts and sciences will we be able to realize that zennith and pinnacle of human understanding and consciousness, thus establishing peace and harmony within a troubled world.

And so, I appeal to the preciding parties and the court of the populace to let technology and free speech take their proper course within these honorble walls of Club Conspiracy. And if content at certain junctures may offend the one, then let him turn to another thread wherein he may find more suitable and appealing content.

Thank you.

--Fra N. 0=1

BlueAngel
10-15-2008, 02:52 PM
[quote=Leonardo;52218]Objection your honor! First of all, Christianity has come under severe attack in this thread and these attacks include Monarch attacks from the opposition party en gratuit.

Furthermore, there is a long standing precedent of free and liberal personal expression, and the Bill of Rights in the Constitution of the United States of America giving all her citizenry freedom of speech. I have simply made use of the available tools of argumentation and dramatic presentation to display the point in case pro hac vice.

FCC rules regulate mass communications within these United States of America, some of the content may be offensive to some viewers. And yet the ways and means that have been used among the populace by social contract and appeal have been that if the broadcasting content offends one, he may, should and does have the right to change the channel.

Therefore, I propose that instead of a step backwards into a Nazi style form of CC governance, we trust and adhere to the wisdom of the forefathers in these matters. For only by the free and liberal use of all the arts and sciences will we be able to realize that zennith and pinnacle of human understanding and consciousness, thus establishing peace and harmony within a troubled world.

And so, I appeal to the preciding parties and the court of the populace to let technology and free speech take their proper course within these honorble walls of Club Conspiracy. And if content at certain junctures may offend the one, then let him turn to another thread wherein he may find more suitable and appealing content.

Thank you.

--Fra N. 0=1

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/ryan444123/blog/No_Censorship.jpg


Look, if you're in a library trying to read and someone decides to bring in a radio and put the sound volume on high, that person would be asked to leave.

It's called manners, respect for your fellow man and not freedom of speech.

Being forced to listen to music while reading this thread and the scenario described above would be referred to as disturbing the peace.

Put the music there, but let the viewers decide at their discretion whether or not they want to listen to it.

Sounds simple to me.

I hope JustGroovy decides to remove all the music you provide, as above, Twisted Sister, which forces people to turn down the volume on their computer whenever they look at this thread.

We should not be forced to accommodate your rudeness.

Leonardo
10-15-2008, 05:57 PM
Look, if you're in a library trying to read and someone decides to bring in a radio and put the sound volume on high, that person would be asked to leave.

It's called manners, respect for your fellow man and not freedom of speech.

Being forced to listen to music while reading this thread and the scenario described above would be referred to as disturbing the peace.

Put the music there, but let the viewers decide at their discretion whether or not they want to listen to it.

Sounds simple to me.

I hope JustGroovy decides to remove all the music you provide, as above, Twisted Sister, which forces people to turn down the volume on their computer whenever they look at this thread.

We should not be forced to accommodate your rudeness.

Quite to the contrary, Cathy. First, this is not a library, this is a BBS service. The BBS service was at the forefront of the Internet Revolution. The BBS has been the SOUNDING board and backbone of the World Wide Web for more than 20 years. The BBS service is a bastion for PERSONAL broadcasting from the PERSONAL computer. YOU are not being FORCED to do or listen to anything other than what YOU choose. If the quality content that I produce and broadcast as an Independant Personal Broadcaster offends you then you as the viewer and consumer are free to change the channel. The revolution will not be televised. Viva la revolucion!

BlueAngel
10-15-2008, 07:16 PM
Is there some reason why you call me Cathy?

You know I'm not Cathy O'Brien.

So, what's the reason?

Did I have an alter by the name of Cathy when I was victimized in MKULTRA/Project Monarch?

Why do you feel it NECESSARY to force your music on the people who are members of this forum and those who browse?

Are there particular songs that you want a particular person to be forced to hear?

Sure, we can turn down the volumn, but you're just being rude and I don't feel that WE should have to accommodate you.

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 12:03 PM
OK Leonardo, this is the deal. If you can find a music service that gives other members the option of listening to the music you have so lovingly and painstakingly picked out for them, then I am all for you playing DJ in a thread.

To be really specific, a player that loads up in "Stop" mode with an option to hit play (much like the youtube player) is totally acceptable.

However, having music just start automatically when someone comes to a page is a bit invasive. And if someone is at work, or using wifi in a restaurant, library or college campus, the blaring music could lead to additional socio-economic problems for our beloved community members.

I will leave you with this quote:

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one."

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 01:15 PM
OK Leonardo, this is the deal. If you can find a music service that gives other members the option of listening to the music you have so lovingly and painstakingly picked out for them, then I am all for you playing DJ in a thread.

To be really specific, a player that loads up in "Stop" mode with an option to hit play (much like the youtube player) is totally acceptable.

However, having music just start automatically when someone comes to a page is a bit invasive. And if someone is at work, or using wifi in a restaurant, library or college campus, the blaring music could lead to additional socio-economic problems for our beloved community members.

I will leave you with this quote:

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one."

I can appreciate your views. And I understand the conventional (i.e., lowest common denomenator of social IQ, which is about 80) wisdom from which they are derived. Albeit, the use of Automated Sound Technology is no more invasive then electronic text. If someone does not wish to read a post, they may opt to not read it. If someone does not wish to LISTEN to a post they may turn down the volume on their end and not read the post.

You're right, the good of all outweighs the good of one. But taking the side of the one (e.g. Blue Angel), and her unfounded, subjective opinion on the matter is in my mind the highest form of hypocrisy.

And what if others in restaurants, or college campuses, or homeless shelters want to hear Frater's message of hope and change? Then you are blocking the good of all simply to kiss up to the whims of one hagard witch named Blue Angel. I can already see the whole plot. You are working in collusion to cut off the personal liberties of Joe Six Plumber, you're against the Constitution, and you are part of the Conspiracy to stop Personal Computer Broadcasting.

This is a travesty and a step back for the freedom, rights, and the liberties of us all.

FACISTS!

<object width="300" height="110"><param name="movie" value="http://media.*****.com/m/eEiT51DOuc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://media.*****.com/m/eEiT51DOuc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="300" height="110" wmode="transparent"></embed><a href="http://www.*****.com/people/HgO2_d4/music/EBCKmNKT/overkill_never_say_never/">Never Say Never - Overkill</a></object>

http://joker.icm.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/image/never-give-up.jpg

http://www.boodo.com/group_images/troy_pitt_big.jpg

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 01:29 PM
muahahahahahahahahaha

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
muahahahahahahahahaha

Iche vestia das nicht die Deutsche, HITLER!

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 01:39 PM
Aww Leonardo, I don't mind you posting music at all. Find another player and everything will be fine.

Raiderdad
10-16-2008, 02:44 PM
Agreed...imo religion is yet anothe form of mass public manipulation to conform. But hey, if it is something that folks find comofort in & gives them hope....more power to them. Who am I ta say what/how others should feel?

Along these lines....Zetigesit covers all this....approx the 1st 45 mins it discusses religion & then the last hour or so it goes into Govts & global money flow. Very compelling stuff....& the newly released addendum to Zeitgesit even speaks to how we can go about a change for the better....stuff like The Venus Project, etc.

I hope these 2 topics will spur some healthy discussion here....at a minimum, open the eyes of others. I would think that those who have an interest in conspiracy theory would especially have an open mind to these 2 topics.

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:16 PM
Aww Leonardo, I don't mind you posting music at all. Find another player and everything will be fine.

http://blog.cakefinancial.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/20/cake_power_of_the_people_2.jpg

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:28 PM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/QUOMAG/M93~Never-Give-Up-Winston-Churchill-Posters.jpg

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:37 PM
Bwwwwuuuaaaaahahahahahhahahahhahaha!

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 03:42 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/samechick/r12718472792.jpg

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:45 PM
http://www.theworkofgod.org/images/SMichael.jpg

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 03:50 PM
http://www.prevention.com/pvnstatic-assets/images/2008/April/Health/298x232/298x232-flip_memory_switch-298x232_flip_memory_switch.jpg

http://adifferentvoice.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/battered-woman.jpg

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 04:33 PM
Stop hitting yourselves! Stop hitting yourselves!

http://armandfrasco.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hackyourself.gif

Playa!

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 04:39 PM
You know i'm going to have to limit your activities if you persist Leonardo. And how will you get the word out if I do that?

Behave or be banned.

<3

Leonardo
10-16-2008, 04:43 PM
You know i'm going to have to limit your activities if you persist Leonardo. And how will you get the word out if I do that?

Behave or be banned.

<3

I have done nothing wrong here. I and Christianity have been openly attacked. You laughed at me and hurt my feelings. Now I'm sorry if I offended you, but I didn't start this war, I only want peace!

In Peace

--Fra N. 0=1

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 04:45 PM
I have asked nicely for you to stop forcing music on our members.

I have even offered a solution, whereby you embed a player that gives members a choice to hit play or not.

You are being unreasonable Leonardo. I think you may need a vacation.

UPDATE: Leo has been IP banned for 2 weeks. If you see him sneaking around let me know =)