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BlueAngel
07-09-2008, 07:31 PM
First of all, Bush didn't go through FISA for wiretapping authorization and now he's placing the blame on the telecom communication companies who assisted him and asking that Congress shield them from lawsuits?

Huh?

What were they suppose to do?

Say no to the White House?

Give me a break!

Senate bows to Bush, approves surveillance bill - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_bi_ge/terrorist_surveillance)

BlueAngel
07-09-2008, 09:48 PM
What new and improved surveillance bill did Obama vote yes for?

I thought this bill was about shielding the telecom communication companies from lawsuits due to their cooperation with the White House in this endeavor.

FISA is the entity responsible for granting the President authoriity to wiretap and he bypassed them when he began this operation.

Analysis: Obama's turn to middle on surveillance - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_el_pr/obama_s_middle)

BlueAngel
07-10-2008, 02:21 PM
The new and improved Bill makes it easier for the government to eavesdrop.

Bush signs bill overhauling eavesdropping rules - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080710/ap_on_go_pr_wh/terrorist_surveillance)

mangaman
07-10-2008, 06:00 PM
What new and improved surveillance bill did Obama vote yes for?

I thought this bill was about shielding the telecom communication companies from lawsuits due to their cooperation with the White House in this endeavor.

FISA is the entity responsible for granting the President authoriity to wiretap and he bypassed them when he began this operation.

Analysis: Obama's turn to middle on surveillance - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_el_pr/obama_s_middle)
Obama did vote yes for the bill, this action contracdicted his initial denunciation of the bill.
This is getting weirder and weirder.

BlueAngel
07-10-2008, 08:53 PM
Bush signs spy bill and draws lawsuit - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080710/pl_nm/usa_surveillance_dc)

Excerpt:

"Spying on Americans without warrants or judicial approval is an abuse of government power, and that's exactly what this law allows," ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in announcing the suit.

BlueAngel
07-11-2008, 11:36 PM
Anyone with a link to the BILL that just passed, please post it here.

Obama says the bill restores FISA.

FISA was never dismantled.

The President of his own accord did not seek the approval for "warrantless" surveillance and wiretapping through FISA.

This is SPIN!

Basically, the bill grants immunity to the telecom communication companies that assisted our criminal government.

But, what else would you expect from these corporate conglomerates?

BlueAngel
07-11-2008, 11:43 PM
Excuse me, but passing a Bill to hold the Telecom communication companies harmless for eavesdropping at the direction of the President is nothing but SPIN.

Seems to me the President is the person who committed the illegal act when he bypassed FISA and ordered the telecom companies to assist him in his endeavor to spy on Americans without a warrant.

jtaylor81
07-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Doesn't seem to be any difference between the Dem's and the Bushlings