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Revelation1217
07-25-2008, 03:08 PM
The video in the article posted below claims that the Harry Potter series of books and movies is leading our children into things such as sorcery, curses, black magic, demon possession, witchcraft and satanism:

Shattered Paradigm: The Harry Potter Series Of Books & Movies - Introducing Our Children To Sorcery, Spells, Curses, Black Magic, Demon Possession, Witchcraft & Satanism (http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/07/harry-potter-series-of-books-movies.html)

What is your opinion about the material the video presents? Should we let our kids read and watch Harry Potter?

BlueAngel
07-26-2008, 12:39 AM
http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/f21/thoughts-j-k-rowling-harry-potter-5309.html

Out of the Box
08-05-2008, 04:35 AM
Harry Potter is just the modern commercialised equivalent of old fairy tales like Hanzel and Gretl or Cinderella. Those were also full of magic and go back many centuries. It's quite absurd to accuse Rowling of anything but writing commercial children's books.

EyesOnly
08-05-2008, 07:34 AM
Alright i hate these people that come forward and link together things.
All these years they say, "kids don't read enough"
so what happens???
kids finally get a book they love and these people are pissed at the material!!!
theres no pleaseing these people!!!

and that little girl on the video less than half way in she says she wants to make a horrible spell so that the revenge can start...and they blame the book?!?!?!
maybe she wants revenge because our schools have become warzzones and kids don't feel safe anymore...

and with this same sense in mind can't i blame the bible or the Passion of the Christ for making me want to crucify people???
can't i blame the Crusades for making me want to go and kill millions of people just cause of the way they think???

All i'm saying is these things have nothing to do with each other...

Out of the Box
08-05-2008, 07:46 AM
Excellent post ! ! ! !

Alright i hate these people that come forward and link together things.
All these years they say, "kids don't read enough"
so what happens???
kids finally get a book they love and these people are pissed at the material!!!
theres no pleaseing these people!!!

and that little girl on the video less than half way in she says she wants to make a horrible spell so that the revenge can start...and they blame the book?!?!?!
maybe she wants revenge because our schools have become warzzones and kids don't feel safe anymore...

and with this same sense in mind can't i blame the bible or the Passion of the Christ for making me want to crucify people???
can't i blame the Crusades for making me want to go and kill millions of people just cause of the way they think???

All i'm saying is these things have nothing to do with each other...

BlueAngel
08-05-2008, 06:32 PM
Excellent post ! ! ! !

The post contradicted what you spoke about Harry Potter.

Out of the Box
08-06-2008, 02:54 AM
The post contradicted what you spoke about Harry Potter.

No it doesn't. It pretty much confirms what I said, although it was put in different words.

You seem to have a problem with reading what a person is actually writing.

badzy
08-11-2008, 10:16 PM
Alright i hate these people that come forward and link together things.
All these years they say, "kids don't read enough"
so what happens???
kids finally get a book they love and these people are pissed at the material!!!
theres no pleaseing these people!!!

and that little girl on the video less than half way in she says she wants to make a horrible spell so that the revenge can start...and they blame the book?!?!?!
maybe she wants revenge because our schools have become warzzones and kids don't feel safe anymore...

and with this same sense in mind can't i blame the bible or the Passion of the Christ for making me want to crucify people???
can't i blame the Crusades for making me want to go and kill millions of people just cause of the way they think???

All i'm saying is these things have nothing to do with each other...

i agree with you eyesOnnly,allow your kids to read Harry Potter coz it will improve their vocabulary and instead of spending their time outside your house, isnt it good that your child is busy in reading a book.

I've been reading harry Potter, and so far i havent seen anything why should disallow the youngster to read it. If you think that your child believes in sorcery, dark magic, so where is parental guidance? As a parent, you are held responsible to open your kids into a wider perspective. Read Harry potter with your child and explain to him or her that the story is only a fictional one

Mr.NAFTA
11-07-2008, 01:44 AM
Well hmmm we could let children read Harry Potter, or just wait till they are teens and start reading Aleister Crowley, Golden Dawn, or any other books they can find at any Borders....in the end censorship is no substitution for good parenting.

BlueAngel
11-07-2008, 09:48 AM
Well hmmm we could let children read Harry Potter, or just wait till they are teens and start reading Aleister Crowley, Golden Dawn, or any other books they can find at any Borders....in the end censorship is no substitution for good parenting.

In this day and age, sometimes, good parenting equates to censorship.

Leonardo
11-07-2008, 10:04 AM
Well, yes, good parenting is important. However, this is a Fourth Way. Christianity could actually start doing what it's supposed to be doing and expand consciousness of the parabolic time scale which is completely out of balance and regain the Aeon.

Of cours that would actually require effort and a complete paradigm shift in their thinking. It would require actually following the esoteric path of Xristos.

And from what I've seen in churches, I don't think that's happening any time soon. The churches in America at least have bowed the knee to a foreign god named Foot Baal.

badzy
11-07-2008, 12:08 PM
harry potter books have invited kids to reading..it just happened that JK rowling hasvery wide imagination, where it came to a point that it almost discuss witchcraft..but as whole, HP is very interesting to read.as a parent, one has to teach their children about the fiction involved in the story.

Leonardo
11-07-2008, 03:10 PM
harry potter books have invited kids to reading..it just happened that JK rowling hasvery wide imagination, where it came to a point that it almost discuss witchcraft..but as whole, HP is very interesting to read.as a parent, one has to teach their children about the fiction involved in the story.

Actually, Harry Potter books are just pretty much straight pagan propaganda.

Out of the Box
11-10-2008, 05:41 AM
Actually, Harry Potter books are just pretty much straight pagan propaganda.

That's just plain rubbish.

BlueAngel
11-10-2008, 10:22 PM
Harry Potter books are introducing children to an "alter" reality.

JK Rowlings did not write these books alone from scraps of paper with ideas for a book that she had amassed over a long period of time.

She's had plenty of help along the way to reach fortune and fame and the minds of our children.

Teenager
11-11-2008, 09:52 PM
I believe I remember hearing about some witches who were interviewed who said that they were turned on to magic and witchcraft from reading the Harry Potter books, so I think that says it all.

Of course, any book that encourages witchcraft and magic as much as Harry Potter does (which Rowling researched REAL spells for it) you have to wonder about.

Of course (since this is Club Conspiracy) perhaps the Elite allowed Harry Potter to get so big so they could get more kids to go Satanistics like them? Just a thought.

;)

Out of the Box
11-12-2008, 03:25 AM
Harry Potter books are introducing children to an "alter" reality.

So are classic fairy tales like Pinoccio or Snowwhite. Rowling just writes modern fairy tales that are entirely harmless.

JK Rowlings did not write these books alone from scraps of paper with ideas for a book that she had amassed over a long period of time.

She's had plenty of help along the way to reach fortune and fame and the minds of our children.

How do you know that?

I believe I remember hearing about some witches who were interviewed who said that they were turned on to magic and witchcraft from reading the Harry Potter books, so I think that says it all.

If they hadn't had read Rowling, they might have become inspired by Tolkien. If they wouldn't have read Tolkien either, they might have been inspired by something else. Just because Harry Potter inspired some young girls to gain an interest in Wicca, that doesn't mean Rowling is part of some elaborate New Age conspiracy :rolleyes:

Of course, any book that encourages witchcraft and magic as much as Harry Potter does (which Rowling researched REAL spells for it) you have to wonder about.

IMO, the average Christian publication is far more dangerous than the harmless entertainment produced by Rowling. The more I look at the kind of rubbish produced by Christians on this site, the more obvious that becomes.

BlueAngel
11-12-2008, 10:29 PM
I believe I remember hearing about some witches who were interviewed who said that they were turned on to magic and witchcraft from reading the Harry Potter books, so I think that says it all.

Of course, any book that encourages witchcraft and magic as much as Harry Potter does (which Rowling researched REAL spells for it) you have to wonder about.

Of course (since this is Club Conspiracy) perhaps the Elite allowed Harry Potter to get so big so they could get more kids to go Satanistics like them? Just a thought.

;)

Very good thought, TEENAGER!

Why the hell didn't I think of that or anyone else on this site who is oh, so, into the ways of the CONTROLLERS?

Kind of like an initiation into the occult, if you will.

BlueAngel
11-12-2008, 10:31 PM
So are classic fairy tales like Pinoccio or Snowwhite. Rowling just writes modern fairy tales that are entirely harmless.



How do you know that?



If they hadn't had read Rowling, they might have become inspired by Tolkien. If they wouldn't have read Tolkien either, they might have been inspired by something else. Just because Harry Potter inspired some young girls to gain an interest in Wicca, that doesn't mean Rowling is part of some elaborate New Age conspiracy :rolleyes:



IMO, the average Christian publication is far more dangerous than the harmless entertainment produced by Rowling. The more I look at the kind of rubbish produced by Christians on this site, the more obvious that becomes.

The way you quote is so annoying.

Anyway, yeah.

Most fairytales are introducing children to an alter reality.

Get it???

Need I say more?

How do I know JK Rowlings didn't write these books on her own?

Cause I'm intelligent enough to know that this woman who was dirt poor and had scraps of paper laying around about a
fairy-tale involving a wizard and, who was unable to put this story into published form for a very long time while living practically homeless, didn't all of a sudden one day do it on her own.

She received help from the CONTROLLERS in accomoplishing this task and bringing the occult to the minds of our children through cinema and book form while she and they made billions in the process.

They making more, of course.

The CONTROLLERS use others to peddle their bullshit and make them rich and famous in the process.

The same way they made Springsteen something he isn't through studio magic and publicity hype.

You didn't know this?

BeenThereDoneThat
11-13-2008, 02:56 AM
Out of the Box said this, and I will completely agree(with the removal of three words):
"IMO, the average Christian publication is far more dangerous than the harmless entertainment produced by Rowling. The more I look at the kind of rubbish produced by Christians on this site, the more obvious that becomes."-end quote.

The only words I would remove in the statement are: 'on this site'

BeenThereDoneThat
11-13-2008, 03:04 AM
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT THE CONTROLLER WORD:'SPRINGSTEEN'-WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS CONVO?
ANYONE NOTICE THIS?:cool:

BlueAngel
11-13-2008, 11:47 AM
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT THE CONTROLLER WORD:'SPRINGSTEEN'-WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS CONVO?
ANYONE NOTICE THIS?:cool:

I highly doubt that if anyone noticed, they care.

You would be the only one in that category.

Seems to me if you look around this place, you'll find that many times YOU have brought up Springsteen's name in various threads and other members, as well.

Out of the Box
11-14-2008, 05:48 AM
The way you quote is so annoying.

It's the most efficient way to structure a reply.

Most fairytales are introducing children to an alter reality.

Get it???

Need I say more?

Yes you do. What's wrong with being introduced into a fantasy alter reality?Most engineers and programmers whom I've met are completely fascinated by fantasy stories like "Lord of the Rings" or sci-fi stories like "I, Robot". Not only are they entertaining, it also helps them open their minds to new ideas and perspectives. In no way does it indoctrinate them for evil or limit their minds in any way... quite the contrary actually.

In fact, many cultures throughout history use or used mind-altering drugs (often psychedelics) during the transition ritual towards manhood precisely because it introduced the youngster to an alter perspective on life and this experience was believed to help them as adults. Having tried LSD twice myself, I know first hand how a psychedelic experience can increase a person's level of spirituality.

How do I know JK Rowlings didn't write these books on her own?

Cause I'm intelligent enough to know that this woman who was dirt poor and had scraps of paper laying around about a
fairy-tale involving a wizard and, who was unable to put this story into published form for a very long time while living practically homeless, didn't all of a sudden one day do it on her own.

She received help from the CONTROLLERS in accomoplishing this task and bringing the occult to the minds of our children through cinema and book form while she and they made billions in the process.

Harry Potter is superficial and childish entertainment with no real depth or insight into the occult whatsoever. WTF are you talking about?

The CONTROLLERS use others to peddle their bullshit and make them rich and famous in the process.

The same way they made Springsteen something he isn't through studio magic and publicity hype.

Obviously, Hollywood and the music industry are responsible for creating "stars" as they see fit. Obviously, they use their best tricks to gain as much money from these "stars", including the creation of a fake image. Obviously, Hollywood and the music industry are used by the NWO as propaganda machines. To say that Harry Potter is part of an elaborate NWO conspiracy to lead the masses away from Christianity to the occult and to say that RK Rowling is just a pawn who never wrote the books in the first place.... that, however, is fiction.

Kids just like stories about witches and wizards, RK Rowling knew how to play that and Hollywood saw how to make a forture from Rowling's work. That's all there's to it.

BlueAngel
11-14-2008, 10:56 AM
It's the most efficient way to structure a reply.



Yes you do. What's wrong with being introduced into a fantasy alter reality?Most engineers and programmers whom I've met are completely fascinated by fantasy stories like "Lord of the Rings" or sci-fi stories like "I, Robot". Not only are they entertaining, it also helps them open their minds to new ideas and perspectives. In no way does it indoctrinate them for evil or limit their minds in any way... quite the contrary actually.

In fact, many cultures throughout history use or used mind-altering drugs (often psychedelics) during the transition ritual towards manhood precisely because it introduced the youngster to an alter perspective on life and this experience was believed to help them as adults. Having tried LSD twice myself, I know first hand how a psychedelic experience can increase a person's level of spirituality.



Harry Potter is superficial and childish entertainment with no real depth or insight into the occult whatsoever. WTF are you talking about?



Obviously, Hollywood and the music industry are responsible for creating "stars" as they see fit. Obviously, they use their best tricks to gain as much money from these "stars", including the creation of a fake image. Obviously, Hollywood and the music industry are used by the NWO as propaganda machines. To say that Harry Potter is part of an elaborate NWO conspiracy to lead the masses away from Christianity to the occult and to say that RK Rowling is just a pawn who never wrote the books in the first place.... that, however, is fiction.

Kids just like stories about witches and wizards, RK Rowling knew how to play that and Hollywood saw how to make a forture from Rowling's work. That's all there's to it.

The way you quote is not the most sufficient way.

It makes me not want to reply to you.

Hey, maybe that's your objective.

Being introduced into a fairy-tale world is okay as long as it's not repeated over and over again.

However, it is.

Repetition is key when you're talking about mind control and altering one's reality.

It's starts at a very young age; sexual programming, too; especially by Disney. Music; television and cinema follow with violence; in your face sexuality in order to shape and mold our children as the PERVERTS desire and TO ALTER THEIR REALITY.

It's better to live in reality than an altered state of mind.

If the CONTROLLERS thought otherwise, they wouldn't grasp our children's minds from the moment they were born.

Out of the Box
11-17-2008, 03:21 AM
The way you quote is not the most sufficient way.

It is. It clearly links every statement with the statement(s) it is a response to and it makes a post much more readable.

It makes me not want to reply to you.

That's your problem. My way of posting is the default way of posting on many other forums and the way I've been posting for more than five years. I'm not planning to change that because you don't feel comfortable with it.

Being introduced into a fairy-tale world is okay as long as it's not repeated over and over again.

It all depends on whether or not you believe the presented world is real.

It's starts at a very young age; sexual programming, too; especially by Disney. Music; television and cinema follow with violence; in your face sexuality in order to shape and mold our children as the PERVERTS desire and TO ALTER THEIR REALITY.

Correct. I don't see how Harry Potter add much to this, though. It's quite harmless imo.

It's better to live in reality than an altered state of mind.

If the CONTROLLERS thought otherwise, they wouldn't grasp our children's minds from the moment they were born.

Wrong. Our "controllers" just want to change the reality they live in by changing the perception of reality by our youth. As the next generation takes over from the previous, that perception becomes reality. Having an altered state of mind or immersing yourself in a fantasy world is entirely irrelevant to this.

BlueAngel
11-17-2008, 03:37 PM
It is. It clearly links every statement with the statement(s) it is a response to and it makes a post much more readable.



That's your problem. My way of posting is the default way of posting on many other forums and the way I've been posting for more than five years. I'm not planning to change that because you don't feel comfortable with it.



It all depends on whether or not you believe the presented world is real.



Correct. I don't see how Harry Potter add much to this, though. It's quite harmless imo.



Wrong. Our "controllers" just want to change the reality they live in by changing the perception of reality by our youth. As the next generation takes over from the previous, that perception becomes reality. Having an altered state of mind or immersing yourself in a fantasy world is entirely irrelevant to this.

Too many contradictions in your post.

What I wrote before your comment is correct.

Out of the Box
11-18-2008, 04:14 AM
Too many contradictions in your post.

There are no contradictions. You're probably just too stupid to understand it :rolleyes:

BlueAngel
11-18-2008, 10:08 PM
There are no contradictions. You're probably just too stupid to understand it :rolleyes:

I've read it again and since I'm highly intelligent, I understand that you have contradicted yourself several times in your post.

Again, what I wrote is correct.

Out of the Box
11-24-2008, 04:35 AM
I've read it again and since I'm highly intelligent, I understand that you have contradicted yourself several times in your post.

You? Highly intelligent? You're one of the greatest idiots I've ever encountered on an internet forum.

By the way, I'm a member of Mensa and an IT consultant. I make a living putting complex problems in abstract terms and implementing them ;)

BlueAngel
11-24-2008, 04:17 PM
You? Highly intelligent? You're one of the greatest idiots I've ever encountered on an internet forum.

By the way, I'm a member of Mensa and an IT consultant. I make a living putting complex problems in abstract terms and implementing them ;)

I, sir, am no idiot.

Are you implying that because you are an IT consultant, you are an expert in all matters and your opinions should not be challenged because you're always right due to the fact that your an IT consultant?

Out of the Box
11-25-2008, 03:22 AM
I, sir, am no idiot.

Then why do you pretend you are?

Are you implying that because you are an IT consultant, you are an expert in all matters and your opinions should not be challenged because you're always right due to the fact that your an IT consultant?

Nope. I'm just implying that I make a living applying complex abstract logic, making me more trained and skilled at it than most. Your claim that I contradict myself is simply pathetic and entirely based on your own lack of logic skills.

BlueAngel
11-28-2008, 10:24 PM
Then why do you pretend you are?

I, sir, do not pretend to be an idiot nor am I an idiot. This is OBVIOUS to someone who is not an IDIOT.

Nope. I'm just implying that I make a living applying complex abstract logic, making me more trained and skilled at it than most. Your claim that I contradict myself is simply pathetic and entirely based on your own lack of logic skills.

My claim is not pathetic. You quite often contradict yourself. No matter what your occupation, it doesn't make you anymore trained or skilled regarding the matters discussed on this forum than anyone else. However, I am probably more qualified than you as I was amongst THEM and possess intelligence and knowledge that you, sir, do not and thankfully, you didn't have to go through what I did in order to obtain it.

Inside the box.

Pi ed pi per
12-05-2008, 10:21 AM
The video in the article posted below claims that the Harry Potter series of books and movies is leading our children into things such as sorcery, curses, black magic, demon possession, witchcraft and satanism:

Shattered Paradigm: The Harry Potter Series Of Books & Movies - Introducing Our Children To Sorcery, Spells, Curses, Black Magic, Demon Possession, Witchcraft & Satanism (http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/07/harry-potter-series-of-books-movies.html)

What is your opinion about the material the video presents? Should we let our kids read and watch Harry Potter?

A CONS PI RA CY is the act of concealing the formula for pi, so you rate pi and get the answer as in Pi rate 360 degrees of perceptionThe answer you seek is always in the question.Jesus and Osiris are known as potters, and Harry Has the reflecting numerical value of 666, which means turn the story upside down in order to have 360 degrees of perception. Now what is a potter? It is the divine planting the seed of divinity in man that develops in 9 months ie moon cycles of 28 days gestation periods. An I POD or EYE POD

BlueAngel
12-05-2008, 10:03 PM
A CONS PI RA CY is the act of concealing the formula for pi, so you rate pi and get the answer as in Pi rate 360 degrees of perceptionThe answer you seek is always in the question.Jesus and Osiris are known as potters, and Harry Has the reflecting numerical value of 666, which means turn the story upside down in order to have 360 degrees of perception. Now what is a potter? It is the divine planting the seed of divinity in man that develops in 9 months ie moon cycles of 28 days gestation periods. An I POD or EYE POD

Sorry, to break it to you, but whatever you're speaking or whatever point you're trying to make, is not comprehensible.

Mind controllers speak as you do to their slaves.

Out of the Box
11-06-2009, 07:04 AM
My claim is not pathetic. You quite often contradict yourself.

Go and find one contradiction.

No matter what your occupation, it doesn't make you anymore trained or skilled regarding the matters discussed on this forum than anyone else.

It does help to understand abstract logics if you want to apply logics in any given situation.

However, I am probably more qualified than you as I was amongst THEM and possess intelligence and knowledge that you, sir, do not and thankfully, you didn't have to go through what I did in order to obtain it.

Please elaborate on this.

albie
11-07-2009, 06:06 AM
Check out this poem by Philip Larkin and compare it to Harry Potter.

I Remember, I Remember

by Philip Larkin

Coming up England by a different line
For once, early in the cold new year,
We stopped, and, watching men with number plates
Sprint down the platform to familiar gates,
"Why, Coventry!" I exclaimed. "I was born here."
I leant far out, and squinnied for a sign
That this was still the town that had been 'mine'
So long, but found I wasn't even clear
Which side was which. From where those cycle-crates
Were standing, had we annually departed
For all those family hols? . . . A whistle went:
Things moved. I sat back, staring at my boots.
'Was that,' my friend smiled, 'where you "have your roots"?'
No, only where my childhood was unspent,
I wanted to retort, just where I started:
By now I've got the whole place clearly charted.
Our garden, first: where I did not invent
Blinding theologies of flowers and fruits,
And wasn't spoken to by an old hat.
And here we have that splendid family
I never ran to when I got depressed,
The boys all biceps and the girls all chest,
Their comic Ford, their farm where I could be
'Really myself'. I'll show you, come to that,
The bracken where I never trembling sat,
Determined to go through with it; where she
Lay back, and 'all became a burning mist'.
And, in those offices, my doggerel
Was not set up in blunt ten-point, nor read
By a distinguished cousin of the mayor,
Who didn't call and tell my father There
Before us, had we the gift to see ahead -
'You look as though you wished the place in Hell,'
My friend said, 'judging from your face.' 'Oh well,
I suppose it's not the place's fault,' I said.
'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.'

Larkin was inspired to write this poem on a train that unexpectedly stopped at Coventry. Rowling got inspired to write Harry Potter when her train unexpectedly stopped near Liverpool. Compare the underline segment to Harry Potter. I think you find they are oddly similar. Even down to Ron's flying Ford car.

albie
11-07-2009, 06:09 AM
Here's a pic of Larkin. Look like someone? Add some hair and a wound.

http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/L/larkin/images/portrait.jpg

albie
11-07-2009, 06:13 AM
Larkin also reffered to work as a TOADin a poem. Toads are a basic part of witchcraft.

Philip Larkin (http://blue.carisenda.com/archives/cat_philip_larkin.html)

Toads

Why should I let the toad workSquat on my life?Can’t I use my wit as a pitchforkAnd drive the brute off?