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Yeoshua
05-05-2005, 09:42 AM
Over many changing moons, I have read much on drug culture, shamanism, CIA run cartels, The British Opium Wars, MK-Ultra etc etc etc blah blah blah...........

Okay, I'm not going to even enter into the debate that Leary, the Merry Pranksters, The Grateful Dead, the Electric Kool-aid Acid Test, Thompson and all the other little wizards are part of a CIA run US Government therefore British Banking ploy to encourage the rebellious teenage masses into a controlled and planned anarchy. No, I'm going to steer well clear of that debate.

I'm just going to ask one simple question:

Being as lysergic acid diethylamide has been present in the human foodchain for hundreds of thousands of years, (LSD is a chemical produced by ergotism of wheat or rye and has been a staple diet of everyone up to the last 600 or so years, and then just the staple diet of the common folk since. Why? OK in the last 600 years, the aristocracy and the church insisted that the good grain was separated from the ergotised grain......) So if this chemical has been present for so long in the human foodchain, is it not feasible that it is supposed to be?

Or what are you going to suggest next, that CIA technicians and the little grey doctors, travelled back in time to introduce the human species to the drug?

Furthermore, entire brilliant cultures have been based around different trippy fellas: Psylocybe family of haluciogens, Mescaline and others that are too numerous to mention, these cultures could plot the course of planets more accurately than we can today............Far out man, do you really all think that it's control for planned subversion?

Please..........

nohope187
05-05-2005, 12:38 PM
Those who hallucinate and delude are easier to manipulate. :-P

Draken
05-05-2005, 04:10 PM
Hey Yeoshua.

Try reading a little more on these brilliant cultures and you might realise there was more to it than "getting high" for fun. You might realise also that their view of the world, whole attitude towards their God, their transcendent wisdom and the metaphysical reality of their spiritual existence, was TOTALLY DIFFERENT to OUR way of seeing these matters; we are MODERN people, they were TRADITIONAL people. Unfortunately, and in fact probably, we DON'T percieve these realities. We've lost the perception.

nohope187
05-05-2005, 05:47 PM
Users lose their drugs all the time as they are most often confiscated by the State. :-P

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 03:14 AM
Draken wrote:
Hey Yeoshua.

Try reading a little more on these brilliant cultures and you might realise there was more to it than "getting high" for fun. You might realise also that their view of the world, whole attitude towards their God, their transcendent wisdom and the metaphysical reality of their spiritual existence, was TOTALLY DIFFERENT to OUR way of seeing these matters; we are MODERN people, they were TRADITIONAL people. Unfortunately, and in fact probably, we DON'T percieve these realities. We've lost the perception.

I have read much on these cultures Draken, Venus worship, stellar observations, social structures. I do appreciate that the entire culture is not based on psychedelic experiences.

Uriels Machine is a good read for learning about prehistoric European cultures oh, and Venus (some people recon Venus represents Lucifer - the light bringer, so how is the God of Darkness the light bringer???) Anyway, Venus being the divine feminine driving prehistoric cultures who were ruled by the stars and revered the feminine. Not Lilith - but the sacred feminine.

The same revered feminine that is all too lost and not apparent in Henry's Lesbian Feminism writings - which to an extent I wholly agree with.

Anyway, Draken, we have lost the perception, you're right, who says that we shouldn't be able to see the wiring behind the board of the omniverse? I bet we should be able to hear colours too.

So, I just want clarification. Flouride, prevents free and creative thought. Piped through your water supply by the Illuminatus.

LSD - Apparenly peddaled by the CIA therefore the Illuminatus.

So to get this straight, in the 60's and 70's free thought was encouraged?

In the 70's, 80's and 90's creative and spatial thinking has been muted by the proliferation of flouride? fluoxetine etc.......

There's some feckin' contradictions in your arguments people.

Draken
05-06-2005, 03:41 AM
Who said taking LSD frees your thought???

Taking ANY substance or drug you don't have control over or don't have the knowledge or qualifications to use is destructive.

Remember that in the 60s the American mass mind was so manipulated and traumatized by public ritual murders of JFK, MLK and RFK, not to mention Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix that by the time the 70s arrived people were happy to forget the dark times and just Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out and LSD DIDN'T help people back on track.

Come on, Y, can't you see the forrest for the trees? Why do you keep trying to find excuses and apologize for the mass poisoning the Cryptocracy is guilty of?

Concerning ancient civilizations, I suggest you read something other than New Age theories. Try "Revolt Against The Modern World" by <a href="http://www.codeschaos.0catch.com/juliusevola.html">Julius Evola</a>, or "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times" by <a href="http://www.abc.se/~m9783/trg.html">René Guénon</a>.

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 03:45 AM
Draken wrote:
Who said taking LSD frees your thought???

Certainly not me Draken, I said "in the 60's and 70's, free thought was encouraged.


It's a fucking pet hate to be misquoted.

Draken
05-06-2005, 03:46 AM
So waht do you mean then?

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 03:58 AM
Well as has already been discussed, Leary, the Merry Pranksters, The Summer of Love, Make love not war etc......

It was encouraged to be hippiefied, peace man!

The US ecpecially encouraged it, I mean for crying out loud, even the Pentagon and DOD spent millions in researching First Earth Batallion, the first time, non-lethal 'organic' warfare was seriously researched. It's hippy shit man!

You (not personally) also suggest it was controlled disorder.

A controlled dissent to be policed far more easily than genuine subversion.

Draken
05-06-2005, 04:06 AM
Agreed. Yes?

truebeliever
05-06-2005, 05:53 AM
Well ya see Drak...while you're off ya fickin tit's on drugs and listening to shit music down at Woodstock...ya aint reading books and ya aint attending a public meeting on who should be elected to the local council.

Other people, particularly the banking and financial sector make a killing and society crumbles with the illegality of the substance and all the trouble that causes. Thanx for the Police State excuse.

Anyone who cant work that out would have to be a drop dead fucking idiot of the NWO inspiring, Mason fraternity of foolhardy child molesters.

Only an alledged Mason idiot would fail to get the powerful point of the controlling and disrupting influence of drugs.

Whether war or drugs...just another way to rechannel peoples energies away from things that matter.

You like your drugs dont you Free Mason Boy?

Do your superiors know about this? Of course they do. They launder most of the drug money.

Idiot. Useful one though.

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 06:22 AM
*Yawn*

I'm tired coz I'm stoned you see.

I think I'll just take another hit of my rock pipe before I smack my bitch up.

Just call me Panama Red, very fond of my Coloumbian marching powder.....

How about you slick?

Draken
05-06-2005, 06:29 AM
Forget about true for a second, Yeo, and tell me where you're going with our discussion.

You said:


Well as has already been discussed, Leary, the Merry Pranksters, The Summer of Love, Make love not war etc......

It was encouraged to be hippiefied, peace man!

The US ecpecially encouraged it, I mean for crying out loud, even the Pentagon and DOD spent millions in researching First Earth Batallion, the first time, non-lethal 'organic' warfare was seriously researched. It's hippy shit man!

You (not personally) also suggest it was controlled disorder.

A controlled dissent to be policed far more easily than genuine subversion.

and I agreed. What's your point?

truebeliever
05-06-2005, 07:18 AM
I took a collection of your posts to a friend who's father WAS actually a high ranking MAson...got out...very specific reasons...like E-V-I-L.

He actually laughed, out loud, that you were a Mason's bum wiper let alone a leader of any particular monkey sect.

If by some sheer fluke of fate you actually are...i take it the professional Masons have all moved down under and left you there. I guess you like the cold and Dr Who re-runs.

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 09:52 AM
I don't have a point Draken, I was asking a question in my original post.

That question being are you sure that the proliferation and use of LSD raw in the 60's and 70's was not conducive to an overall New Age agenda as opposed to a NWO agenda.

Were we not seeing a feeble attempt back then to change the world peacfully, not intentionally toward an evil NWO agenda, but toward a spiritually enlightened global culture?

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 09:55 AM
I guess you like the cold and Dr Who re-runs.

Nah, I like the new series though with Christopher Eccleston.

Draken
05-06-2005, 10:00 AM
New Age agenda IS NWO agenda. Identical. It's one of those famous pincer moves.;-)

Yeoshua
05-06-2005, 10:15 AM
How can you say that though?

These New Age hippie types are gentle loving and kind people as a whole.....

Their beliefs etc...........

This is a New Age site: http://educate-yourself.org/

Draken
05-06-2005, 11:48 AM
I won't repeat what I've written elsewhere. Go to my thread <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=590&forum=3">INTEGRAL TRADITION Revolt against the modern world CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION</a> and scroll down to the title Eleven (False) New Age Principles by Charles Upton.

Basically, you can't mix n'match beliefs as you see fit, which is what the New Age does; taking a little bit of this and a little bit of that to manifacture their own religion, totally impotent and misleading.

truebeliever
05-06-2005, 09:15 PM
Not a gnats bum hair on John Pertwee and the greatest...Tom Baker.

So you actually believe something was accomplished by a big bunch of twits getting off their tit's and attending Woodstock?

Dropping out? Tuning out?

Something was actually accomplished? Power was challenged?

Energies were redirected...to where? To NO WHERE...simply into infantile, narcissistic self indulgence.

And thats supposed to help? Well it sure helps those in power.

All that energy redirected into "getting" and "taking" drugs and the Elite get to make a bundle to boot. I'd call that a NWO manipulation. Get people to abandon Christianity too...the trifecta.

Would you like a jelly baby?

rushdoony
05-07-2005, 07:00 PM
People use illegal drugs mainly
so they can get more horny and
have better sex.

The conspiracy is that this explanation is never
allowed to be talked about.
What gives?

truebeliever
05-07-2005, 07:09 PM
""Energies were redirected...to where? To NO WHERE...simply into infantile, narcissistic self indulgence"".

Rush! Is that you! Why you...old devil! I smells a little experience there.

Like my above quote was saying. Mainly to do with the hippies of the late 60's/early 70's.

In the Coke and Amphetamine area's this is true but not exclusively.

Pot and LSD et.al are used for different things.

All in the end take away anxiety to some degree and simply make one feel better.

Drugs also make you a great 'killer'. No better way to get a man to risk his life than to dose him up with the "whip".