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justgroovy
09-20-2008, 05:27 PM
You all have any thoughts about what is going on right now?

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BlueAngel
09-20-2008, 09:43 PM
Only that something is going on.

Our money isn't safe in THEIR stock market.

Our money isn't safe in THEIR banks.

With all the printing of greenbacks by the FED out of thin air to rescue their banking houses, seems the dollar is becomming more and more worthless.

justgroovy
09-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Printing of greenbacks and taxing people like you and me (to the tune of 700 billion dollars) to pay for risky investments not made on my behalf.

So ... yeah.

what the fuck

BlueAngel
09-20-2008, 10:25 PM
Yeah, I know, it sucks, doesn't it?

They robbed so many people of their retirement funds during the INTERNET bubble on Wall Street during the late 90's and early 2000's.

That was the beginning.

They used the BIG SHOTS from their many investment firms to push this stock and that stock.

The stocks collapsed and so did the fortunes of many individuals.

Many of those who started these INTERNET companies made a fortune, such as the Mark dude from Broadcom and the heads of the financial institutions who brought them public.

Of late, they've caused mass amounts of home foreclosures by issuing BAD LOANS.

Oh, DUH.

I guess these financial wizards didn't know they were doing this?

Doesn't it figure?

WE, the people, get to pay for their purposeful mistakes.

Seems they want to cause a SUPER DEPRESSION.

BlueAngel
09-29-2008, 06:47 PM
So, the House rejects the bail-out plan and Wall Street plummets further.

When do you think they'll finally pass the bail-out plan?

They probably need a few more days so they can continue to rob Wall Street.

justgroovy
09-29-2008, 06:57 PM
I have a feeling Bush & Co are going to push this thing through without a proper vote now. Much like he did with the war in Iraq. Congressional vote? Not needed if it doesn't go our way.

BlueAngel
09-29-2008, 07:30 PM
I have a feeling Bush & Co are going to push this thing through without a proper vote now. Much like he did with the war in Iraq. Congressional vote? Not needed if it doesn't go our way.

Yep.

You're absolutely right.

They're providing a show for the American people. That's all they ever do.

CONGRESS appears to be working for US regarding this bail-out bill, when, in fact, they are actually stalling and allowing panic to sweep Wall Street.

Because, like you said, Bush and Company, regardless of Congressional Vote will do as they please.

They've proven this.

They operate unchecked.

They have all the power.

They don't need Congress.

BlueAngel
09-29-2008, 08:37 PM
Our country exists on CREDIT.

That's how they have us by the b*lls.

Indebted to them always.

Without CREDIT, businesses suffer and so do individuals.

I'm certain you know the chain of events that follow.

We've been living with them for quite some time now.

Businesses close and/or major lay-offs.

Credit is tight.

You know the drill.

BlueAngel
10-08-2008, 10:29 PM
Looking for a financial expert to explain why it is that the current economic crisis facing the US is a "global" crisis.

Central banks cut rates, but markets stay fearful - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081009/bs_nm/us_financial)

Excerpt:

Britain said it was prepared to inject 50 billion pounds ($87billion) of taxpayer money into its banks.

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Why are Britain and the world being affected by our bad bank loans?

How is it that America's financial crisis requires Britain to inject money into their banks?

Have THEY created an illusion?

As if the United State's financial crisis is capable of crippling the world's economy.

The only people capable of crippling and collapsing the United State's economy are those who control the FED, their banks, the investment companies and Wall Street.

The Banksters.

List of central banks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks)

BlueAngel
10-09-2008, 12:37 PM
I love how the FED is referred to as the government. The FED is a private entity.

Seems now the FED has a perfect opportunity to swallow up some private banks that aren't owned by them.

Excerpt:

The Bush administration is considering taking part ownership stakes in certain U.S. banks as an option for dealing with a severe global credit crisis.

Huh?

The BUSH ADMINISTRATION is considering taking ownership?

How so?

The White House considers ownership stakes in banks?

Huh?

How so?

So, who is taking part ownership in these failed, private banks?

The Bush Administration, The White House or the FED?

US government may take part ownership in banks - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown)

White House considers ownership stakes in banks - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_paulson)

BlueAngel
10-10-2008, 09:20 PM
I dunno.

I guess because the US is having financial problems, the rest of the world reacts.

The G7 met to discuss the crisis today.

I mean, come on.

France, Germany, The United Kingdom?

Our financial crisis affects these countries?

Maybe they're meeting to make it seem like a world crisis.

What happened to the 700 billion infusion?

Seems they're not pumping it in fast enough.

What about Kramer advising all AMERICANS to get out of the stock market a few days ago on The Today Show if they needed their money within the next five years.

Talk about inducing panic.

This guy has been wrong more often than not, but many people, I'm certain, listened to him.

Could he have added fuel to the fire?

Who the hell gives him the authority to make such a statement?

The average JOE does not heavily invest in the stock market.

Corporations, foreign companies and the wealthy invest heavily in the stock market, to name a few.

The stock market is a way for them to ROB the "little guy" who doesn't have the connections to know when, what, who and where to buy and/or sell.

When was the last time you heard someone say they were retiring on the money they made in the stock market?

The stock market is about as big a fraud as the FED.

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105936/Stock-Market-Crash:-Understanding-the-Panic

justgroovy
10-10-2008, 09:33 PM
Well I think part of the problem is that a lot of these banks and investment places that are tanking are either multinational companies OR they have a lot of their (by their I mean our) money tied up in foreign investments. This is what I think is causing a global domino effect to some extent.

Ozziecynic
10-11-2008, 12:25 AM
Well I think part of the problem is that a lot of these banks and investment places that are tanking are either multinational companies OR they have a lot of their (by their I mean our) money tied up in foreign investments. This is what I think is causing a global domino effect to some extent.

You say "Our MONEY" who said it belonged to you or anyone else in the first place. Also you say money which money financial bonds or stocks or cash!.The former doesnt exist if it wasnt for interest charged.
If the banks dont lend you dont have interest hence you have no bonds no stocks no loans no mortgages and hence no western lifestyle of affluence!. Why is the average Middle class yank so stupid they just dont get it!. Their to take responsbility for their spending and borrowing they expect to much comfort!.

justgroovy
10-11-2008, 04:32 AM
You say "Our MONEY" who said it belonged to you or anyone else in the first place. Also you say money which money financial bonds or stocks or cash!.The former doesnt exist if it wasnt for interest charged.
If the banks dont lend you dont have interest hence you have no bonds no stocks no loans no mortgages and hence no western lifestyle of affluence!. Why is the average Middle class yank so stupid they just dont get it!. Their to take responsbility for their spending and borrowing they expect to much comfort!.

This stupid middle class yank is too tired to correct your grammar and spelling errors.

However good to see someone is standing up for the banks and rich white guys who run the world! :cool:

BlueAngel
10-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Call me stupid, but why is it that the IMF has approved the G7's plan to chart a course out of the so-called economic global crisis?

Why is the IMF and/or the G7 even involved?

I thought the FED took care of America's banking crisis with their 700 billion dollar bail-out.

Right?

Seriously.

Our failed banks affect the entire GLOBE?

How 'bout Kramer warning on either Friday after the stock market closed or on Saturday (today) of a Black Monday when it is impossible to get your money out of the market before the bell rings on Monday morning.

This man either knows something we don't know or is attempting to help crash the market by inducing panic.

The financial chiefs met:

Finance chiefs endorse G7 action plan: IMF panel - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081011/bs_nm/us_financial_imf)

Ozziecynic
10-13-2008, 07:02 AM
This stupid middle class yank is too tired to correct your grammar and spelling errors.

Nice red herring by the way no american uses proper grammar your english is just retarded over there! For example a nation uses ZZs instead of SSs or spells gaol, jail or calls strawberry Jam jelly and jelly, jello, however I digress. I prefer English grammar myself not some bubble gum version. btw where are these spelling errors of mine ??


Call me stupid, but why is it that the IMF has approved the G7's plan to chart a course out of the so-called economic global crisis?

Why is the IMF and/or the G7 even involved?

Just dont get do you BA! RESPONSIBILITY=EVERYONE!.

next youll be posting a call for all bankers to be shot or gased!!.
They had a job they did it they respond to the supply and demand of greedy people so they did their jobs. However some fools just dont pay their bills with interest on time or at all!.

justgroovy
10-13-2008, 11:32 AM
Nice red herring by the way no american uses proper grammar your english is just retarded over there! For example a nation uses ZZs instead of SSs or spells gaol, jail or calls strawberry Jam jelly and jelly, jello, however I digress. I prefer English grammar myself not some bubble gum version. btw where are these spelling errors of mine ??

Not a red herring. You called me stupid, and then proceeded to bombard my senses with bad grammar and spelling errors. As far as I know, punctuation isn't something that has been shunned by the English speaking community as a whole.

Originally Posted by Ozziecynic http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/f42/so-about-economy-6523-2.html#post52111)
You say "Our MONEY?" who said it belonged to you or anyone else in the first place? Also, you say "money," which money? Financial bonds or stocks or cash? The former doesn't exist if it wasn't for interest charged. If the banks don't lend, you don't have interest, hence you have no bonds, no stocks, no loans, no mortgages and hence no western lifestyle of affluence! Why is the average Middle class yank so stupid they just don't get it!? They're to take responsibility for their spending and borrowing, they expect too much comfort!

I hope this helps ;)

BlueAngel
10-13-2008, 02:29 PM
Just dont get do you BA! RESPONSIBILITY=EVERYONE!.

next youll be posting a call for all bankers to be shot or gased!!.
They had a job they did it they respond to the supply and demand of greedy people so they did their jobs. However some fools just dont pay their bills with interest on time or at all!.

Actually, Ozzie, you would be the one who doesn't get it. The very rich are very rich due to the outrageous interest they charge us to borrow from their banks/them.

The wealth of the world remains with a select group/few due to this fact and many others as I've pointed out.

It is laughable that you feel sorry for the Money Masters because they lose money when people can't pay their bills.

I'm sure they make enough to compensate for that loss through their corporations, the stock market, the music industry, the oil business, the entertainment industry, pornography, the global sex trade, illegal/legal drugs, weapons selling, etc.

Some of their banks made bad loans.

Real estate prices were inflated and they made more bad loans.

I'm sure they made plenty of interest from these bad loans and so if they bit themselves in the ar*se, they deserve what's coming to them.

Actually, I don't condone gasing or shooting people.

That's what they do.

Ozziecynic
10-16-2008, 06:40 AM
I hope this helps

Well you did say spelling. However are we here to discuss current affairs & the esoteric or here to have petty personal attacks!. If you want posters to stick around then this attitude wont help!
The irony of your counter culture symbol & fabian overtones has never escaped my attention. Meaning whatever revolution your after is not what I am after at all dear.
You under estimate my intelligence and my esoteric knowledge. Still if your serious about this 21st century Monarch Project (cc) then i really dont see you as crafty at all just very stale and having too many acid flashbacks.:cool:

BlueAngel
10-16-2008, 09:05 AM
Well you did say spelling. However are we here to discuss current affairs & the esoteric or here to have petty personal attacks!. If you want posters to stick around then this attitude wont help!
The irony of your counter culture symbol & fabian overtones has never escaped my attention. Meaning whatever revolution your after is not what I am after at all dear.
You under estimate my intelligence and my esoteric knowledge. Still if your serious about this 21st century Monarch Project (cc) then i really dont see you as crafty at all just very stale and having too many acid flashbacks.:cool:

Any particular reason for Ozzie's anger at JustGroovy?

Just wondering.

Ozzie is after a revolution but not the same revolution as JustGroovy?

HUH?

What 21st Century Monarch Project?

I dunno.

Maybe JustGroovy can translate his post for us.

justgroovy
10-16-2008, 11:46 AM
Well you did say spelling. However are we here to discuss current affairs & the esoteric or here to have petty personal attacks!. If you want posters to stick around then this attitude wont help!
The irony of your counter culture symbol & fabian overtones has never escaped my attention. Meaning whatever revolution your after is not what I am after at all dear.
You under estimate my intelligence and my esoteric knowledge. Still if your serious about this 21st century Monarch Project (cc) then i really dont see you as crafty at all just very stale and having too many acid flashbacks.:cool:

Are you kidding? You personally attacked me. You called me stupid and made numerous grammatical and spelling errors while you were trying to do it. Stop trying to make this into something else. You got called out and failed.

Buck up, be a man and move on.

Raiderdad
10-16-2008, 02:56 PM
I just came to this board b'c I saw it may've had some economy talk.....a topic for which I have a great interest in...& how it all relates to how we as a mass are being manipulated. I've been following the Intl currency mrkt, commonly known as forex (foreign exchange) or even 4x for over 2 yrs now & have learned a trmendous amount. not only as it relates to currency trading but also & especially more so as it has to do w/manipulation...in several forms I might add.

At any rate.....if anyone else has an interest in discussing economics & of course the bailout all other related events....I consider myself to be fairly up to speed w/it all....I typically have cnbc on as much as possible during the day....so go ahead & call me a finance Geek if'd like...lol

I'll close w/this.....yesterday I signed on to Carl Ichan's new group...."The United Shareholders of America"

This is exactly what the US financial mrkts have been in dire need of for well over 2 decades now....serious reform. Check it out if what's been going on on Wll St as of late happens to truly pi$$ u off.

Search Results for " ichanreport.com " (http://www.ichanreport.com)
The Icahn Report™ (http://www.icahnreport.com/)

BlueAngel
10-16-2008, 09:30 PM
Oh, yeah, CNBC.

You mean that place where a bunch of so-called financial wizards who get paid big bucks sit around all day trying to convince the American people that they know what's going on at Wall Street?

Sure.

If we listen to them, we will all be millionaires, right?

Raiderdad
10-16-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm not sure how to respond to that...but I'll try

Zeitgeist has nothnig to do w/cnbc or making money for that matter. A simple google will give u a short explanation as to what it is all about. In short, the 1st 45 mins or so speaks to religion & how it manipulates....then the next 45 mins or so speaks to how the govts manipulate....from the masses to money flow. Also goes into a few other areas such as the real truth behind why there is war...in short to keep the masses suppressed & then of course for all big power players to profit from.

You really need to watch it....that is if you have an open mind...& most especially w/conspiracy theories.

Do I sense a hint of anger in your post? maybe it's sarcasm that I am missing & not anger? not sure....but at any rate my intentions for coming here were not to present some sorta money making scheme or get rich quick thing.....not even close.

Like I say.....look into it...at least watch the first few mins....then after that, if ya dont like where it's goin..by all means stop watichin it...I'm not here to force views upon anyone....only here to discuss things in a healthy manner w/those who are interested in this topic. Again....this thread seemed like it would be a slam dunk for having lotza folks who'd be interested in this topic...perhaps my assumptioms are off base....whatever.

Lastly....w/re to what Ichan is proposing.....u really need to simply read the brief paragraph about what he's triyng to do b4 you automatically turn a deaf ear to him simply b/c he's a captialist. & his group has nothnig to do w/making money.....only in that he's attempting to clean up Wall St & make the CEO's accountable for once....which in turn will of course help the shareholders in the long run. Tho if The Venus Project had its' way.....there wouldnt be need for this at all since all currencies would be useless.....now wouldn't that be quite the end game?



Peace!!

BlueAngel
10-17-2008, 10:26 AM
I'm not sure how to respond to that...but I'll try

Zeitgeist has nothnig to do w/cnbc or making money for that matter. A simple google will give u a short explanation as to what it is all about. In short, the 1st 45 mins or so speaks to religion & how it manipulates....then the next 45 mins or so speaks to how the govts manipulate....from the masses to money flow. Also goes into a few other areas such as the real truth behind why there is war...in short to keep the masses suppressed & then of course for all big power players to profit from.

You really need to watch it....that is if you have an open mind...& most especially w/conspiracy theories.

Do I sense a hint of anger in your post? maybe it's sarcasm that I am missing & not anger? not sure....but at any rate my intentions for coming here were not to present some sorta money making scheme or get rich quick thing.....not even close.

Like I say.....look into it...at least watch the first few mins....then after that, if ya dont like where it's goin..by all means stop watichin it...I'm not here to force views upon anyone....only here to discuss things in a healthy manner w/those who are interested in this topic. Again....this thread seemed like it would be a slam dunk for having lotza folks who'd be interested in this topic...perhaps my assumptioms are off base....whatever.

Lastly....w/re to what Ichan is proposing.....u really need to simply read the brief paragraph about what he's triyng to do b4 you automatically turn a deaf ear to him simply b/c he's a captialist. & his group has nothnig to do w/making money.....only in that he's attempting to clean up Wall St & make the CEO's accountable for once....which in turn will of course help the shareholders in the long run. Tho if The Venus Project had its' way.....there wouldnt be need for this at all since all currencies would be useless.....now wouldn't that be quite the end game?



Peace!!

There isn't any anger in my post.

And, you missed the entire point.

You said that you watch CNBC all day.

That was the reason for my comment.

I was not commenting on Zeitgeist nor did I insinuate that you were here to promote some get rich quick scheme.

Raiderdad
10-17-2008, 11:14 AM
Gettin used to this type of format.....got a few messages that I was replied to & of course replied to the wrong post...sorry 'bout that.

Moving on.....

This weekend they meet!

"Blueprint for Worldwide Currency System" straight from the horses mouth.

Yahoo! (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10235053&ch=4226714&news) :eek:

BlueAngel
11-07-2008, 10:16 PM
It's only going to get worse, we're being advised.

Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown)

BeenThereDoneThat
11-07-2008, 10:37 PM
The end is near.

BlueAngel
11-14-2008, 11:04 PM
The WORLD'S leaders met to discuss the GLOBAL economic crisis in Washington and dined in ELEGANCE while doing so.

Thank GOD they're triying to solve the crisis they created for the rest of us and FEASTING in elegance at the same time.

Don't know what we'd do without them.

World leaders move toward tougher financial rules - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081115/ap_on_go_pr_wh/meltdown_summit)

BlueAngel
11-14-2008, 11:07 PM
The end is near.

The end of what?

Go take a hike, Mr. DOOM AND GLOOM!

Go to the mountains.

Breathe the air.

Stop promoting desperation.

BlueAngel
01-06-2009, 08:14 PM
Alcoa to slash 13,500 jobs.

The ripple effect continues.

Alcoa to cut 13 pct of global work force - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_bi_ge/alcoa_job_cuts)

BlueAngel
01-08-2009, 03:00 PM
Macy's to close 11 stores:

Macy's will shutter 11 stores in 9 states - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Macys-will-shutter-11-stores-apf-14002867.html)

BlueAngel
06-08-2009, 10:58 PM
Here it is.

The thread I've been looking for.

Guess how I found it?

I searched the word "FUEL."

Go figure.