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truebeliever
05-08-2005, 07:34 PM
Oh, how lovely! What a wonderful spontaneous celebration of womanhood.

And now? I beleive Mothers Day has a lot more to do with economic stimulus.

An old fellow i looked after in hospital was with the Australian occupation forces in Japan. He went back to do business in the early 50's.

He was at a conference and a street parade was happening. There was a giant float of Father Christmas. Seeing as the Japanese are die hard Shinto Buhddist's he asked why they had any interest in Christmas? His Japanese colleague rubbed his thumb and index finger together...money.

Like everything these days, take away it's true meaning and replace it with infantile attachment and consumerism.
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The Origins Of Mother's Day

http://www.archdiocese-chgo.org/news_releases/news_2003/news_042903b.shtm

The origin of Mother's Day in the United States has two different beginnings, but both women whose lives contributed to the founding of Mother's Day are similar. Both stated by the way they lived that Mother's Day was more than honoring of ones own mother.

In the 1850's Anna Reeves Jarvis organized Mothers' Work Day Clubs" which initially provided medicines for the poor and focused on sanitary conditions in her town. During the Civil War she had her Mothers' Work Day Clubs promise to care for soldiers from either side of the conflict. After the war she became a genuine peacemaker in her attempt to heal the wounds of families and friends that had been divided by the war.
In 1870's Julia Ward Howe began organizing "Mothers' Peace Day." Although she is most famous for writing Battle Hymn of the Republic, she turned away from that militant attitude when she saw the Civil War rage on at such a high cost of lives. After the war, she focused on voting rights for women and world peace. When war broke out between France and Prussia in 1870, she wrote, "Arise…Christian women of this day. As men have often forsaken the plough and the anvil at the summons of war, let women on this day leave the duties of hearth and home to set out in the work of peace." "The cause of world peace was the impetus for Julia Ward Howe's establishment, over a century ago, of a special day for mothers. Following unsuccessful efforts to pull together an international pacifist conference after the Franco-Prussian War, Howe began to think of a global appeal to women." (National Women's History Project.)

Anna Reeves Jarvis' daughter, Anna Jarvis, is credited with establishing Mother's Day. Her tireless letter writing campaign so "that the work of peacemaking and war against poverty that her mother waged would not be forgotten" (About Christianity Webb Site) paid off in 1914 when Congress passed the Mother's Day resolution.

The roots of Mother's Day are seated in World Peace, the combating poverty and appeals to women to act above and beyond. Knowing this, we have the ability to reconnect with those roots in a contemporary call for Peace today.

truebeliever
05-08-2005, 11:52 PM
The whole thing does have a NWO ring to it. Internationalism etc...

Draken
05-09-2005, 01:47 AM
Like every holiday or tradition in America, Mother's Day, Helloween, Thanksgiving etc. are ALL contrived and steeped in NWO/Socialist/Communist strategy and agenda.

How can anyone say America is the land of the free when the whole Masonic concept of America from the beginning was made possible by slaughtering millions of Native Indians?

http://ishgooda.org/racial/holid1.htm

Draken
05-09-2005, 03:38 AM
True wrote on the Crown thread:

I still love what America stands for...if Americans would stand up for it. What a waste of a golden oppurtunity to establish a permenant TRUE Republic for the people and by the people.

Yeah, it stands for the mass slaughter of the last great civilization of Traditional wisdom, the Native Americans, in order to clear the land for the mob rule of quantity called "democracy", controlled by Satanic Freemasons and Illuminati, whose goal is global enslavement of mankind and whose ideology is Secular Humanism, Rationalism, Mechanism and Marxism-Leninism "disguised" as Socialism.

Do you really mean to support the American ideology you so vehemently exposed earlier in your posted documentary downloads, "Secular Humanism"?

The idea and creation of the United States was unfortunately flawed from the very start. Unfortunately, the people living there have a very difficult time accepting the fact that there really is NOTHING positive that's come out of the creation of the United States. Since in their opinion they are a part of "The American Way of Life", it's difficult to kill off that part of them that identifies with the United States.

Americans need to reaquire the ability to take a step back and see the bigger picture. They have to start seeing history in bigger perspective and see their own place in it.

What all people living in America need to realize is that they have NOTHING to do with the United States of America; the USA is a political entity. People are NOT political entities, but the USA as a political entity NEEDS the POLITICAL MANDATE - POWER - of the people to justify its actions.

People living in America have to cut the cord between them and the State.

How can you base any state that "stands for freedom and peace" on violence, torture, terror, mass murder, coercion and lies?

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 04:32 AM
Draken, you are being ridiculous.

You have made a VERY big mistake. A mistake I see many Europeans making.

You have romanticised the indiginous way of life.

Europeans LOVE to romanticise the indiginous peoples of the world and unfortunately the actual way indiginous people lived is far removed from the romantic western ideal.

Firstly, the American Indians spent a GREAT deal of time killing each other. They were absoloutly ruthless with each other and cruel.

They died all sorts of horrible ways from disease and starvation before the white man EVER arrived.

Yes there was traditional wisdom. You dont live in an area for thousands of years and not have traditional wisdom. White men have traditional wisdom too...how many follow it? How many Indians were ALL virtuous and true?

How many Indians sold out for whiskey and weapons? Did they have it forced down their necks? Where was their ability to stand alone before God and say...N-O...They could'nt stand before God because they were Pagans...the State of the unconscious mind. They had N-O differentiated consciousness and God hates people who will not move out of unconscious states.

This love affair people have with the East and indiginous religious beliefs is a step back...NOT a step forward. The East has NOTHING to teach a Westerner. I dont need their Yogi's and there platitudes...we have it in the N.T. Right there. If it survives the endless assault.

In my home country the local natives were wiped out in some places...by whom? The Red Coats? The British Crown? N-O...by the local landholders and their low life henchmen. Local aboriginal tribes also spent a great deal of time at each others throats before the white man came and you should see the old footage of the early 1900's...tribes, untouched by modern civilization, living in s-h-i-t and VERY short on the 'noble savage'.

It's happened Drak. Very sad. People do horrible things...is Europe immune? Ha!

You like many things about the old conservative ways of societal structure. The very 'establishment' of which you express a fondness is the VERY reason that sicko cults like the Illuminati can arise.

The establishment of old wallowed in luxuary for years while the common people lived in shit...and then we wonder why ideas like Communism get a hold?

Are you saying the Constitution and Bill of Rights is a fraud? An Illuminati/Mason fraud? A way to usher in a police state and tyrannical rule?

They sure picked a funny way of wording it if thats the case.

For once the PEOPLE have a say. The people can choose to live free of the endless shit foisted on them by the tyrannies of old.

Dark and powerful forces have kept the people from 'actualising' the potentials of their constitution and bill of rights. The American people have been under attack from day dot. Yes they are ignorent and stupid...they've been made that way by forces based in Europe using their lackeys on the East coast.

Is their ANY country in the world that has been SO attacked? It has been under attack because for the first time their was NO divine rights of Kings but the divine right of people to exist free and under God!

Is it the peoples fault they have failed to live up to it? They are under attack 24 hours a day. They have NO free press.

It's easy to attack the yanks. The useless lazy Europeans should have a good look at the beam in their eye.

They sold out long ago. Are knuckling down nicely and WILLINGLY under a benevolent police state.

The whole of fucking Europe is one big Gothic/pagan occult ritual but you blast the yanks?

Where did it come from?

My flatmate is German...the whole place is a den of death cults and Wicca meetings...drugged out rave parties and street marches for the sexually and spiritually depraved. The home of "Shit" eating films!

Since when does the constitution espouse 'secular humanism'? It seperates church and state. The laws of the land, the constitution and the political system are ALL built around the Christian faith. The moral and ethical ground on which it stands under God.

Seperation of church and state and secular humanism (laws from the intellectual minds of men) are 2 different things.

Please Drak....name me ONE society that has been perfect? One that has lived up to it's ideals? One that has been based totally on initial conditions of freedom and justice?

That society is yet to come. But it may not be to far off.

I'm sick of people bagging America.

Lets bag the Elitist European scum and their lackeys who give the 'reasonably' decent and kind Americans a bad name.

What was it Ghandi said when asked about Western civilization? "I think it might be a good idea".

Dont fall for the step back Drak.

05-09-2005, 06:45 AM
IMO, we do not live in "The FREE World." We never have.

Brainwashed to believe we live in America, the land of the free and the home of the brave from "cradle to grave."

They re-write history and our children learn from the books that THEY supply to our school system.

The truth, they say, can never be told to the people as to their REAL roots/agenda.

Divide and conquer through fear. Red states against Blue states. Religious fanatics against abortion and those who aren't. Religious fanatics and the black community's fear of homosexuality and those who aren't.

Soon, you are fighting amongst one another and more and more of the people relinquish their power to those in control. A "transference" of power is made.

They have accomplished this in the Middle East and now they are there.

The first step is to educate as to the "Federal Reserve" and it's real purpose.

The second is to educate as to the Constitution and that this document was delivered to the people for their protection and that the people ought to learn how to implement it when they have grievances against their government.

8-)

Draken
05-09-2005, 08:22 AM
True, you've made a big mistake if you thought all this time I was unreserved Christian. I was born into the Christian faith but I can't say I agree a 100% with the mainstream Christian doctrine.
I have a lot of time for the teachings of Jesus but my understanding in many ways differ A LOT from the fundamentalist Judeo-Christian faith which is so widespread in our times.
Most of the original teachings of Jesus were totally misunderstood, on purpose or unwittingly, by the early Church people who lived at the time.

First of all, let me reiterate that we live in total, utter degeneration, therefore everything we refer to in history or religious thinking, is a corrupted, degenerated version - UNLESS, we go back in mythology far enough to be able to discern some other standard than what we almost can't help using today as norm.


truebeliever wrote:
Firstly, the American Indians spent a GREAT deal of time killing each other. They were absoloutly ruthless with each other and cruel.

What do you mean when you use words like "ruthless" and "cruel"? I think it's totally futile to dream of some utopia where people will not kill eachother, or animals for that matter. It really is in the human nature. The difference is in the ATTITUDE towards taking a life and for WHAT PURPOSE. Let's not forget the GIVING of life also, as in giving ONE'S OWN life, in sacrifice for a higher purpose, like the survival of the clan or nation or tribe.

This utterly naive illusion of no killing is what evil rotten rulers have used to motivate millions of people into killing millions of their fellow men - it's Bush's "Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace" Satanic nonsense.

Tribesmen from Africa have such a TOTALLY different view of battle, war and duels to the death, we have no idea.
I read this description once of how tribal people somewhere in Africa conduct warfare:
when two tribes are at war with eachother the leaders of the two tribes choose one champion each to fight for the whole tribe. They fight to the death and the tribe whose champion win the battle is the victor and wins whatever they were fighting over: a piece of land, animals etc.
They do this so that not the whole tribe would have to fight, shedding much more blood than necessary also risking every individual tribe members' life.
The fighter that was chosen thought it was an honor to be chosen; he was honored for his skill and ability and chosen to defend his tribe and its claims. He was willing and able to sacrifice himself for a higher purpose, but let's not forget he thought he was fighting for a higher purpose and was VERY capable of WINNING the fight. He wasn't feeling sorry for himself - winning would give him tremendous glory.
Talking about purpose, I have to point out that tribes like this would not risk a fellow tribesman's life for silly disputes; it was about the survival of the tribe, not secret government contracts to make more money...

What does Modern Man do?

The only thing I need to say is MacNamara: he pushes a button and hundreds of thousands die. If that's the standard by which you measure how "civilized" a people are then I prefer dying a horrible death where I can feel my life being taken. I hope I can muster up enough courage. You don't need any courage to die in an atomic blast.

There is a higher aspect of the Fight - a Sacred symbolism that we've talked about before. You seem to have agreed then. I don't understand your 180° turn...?


How many Indians sold out for whiskey and weapons? Did they have it forced down their necks? Where was their ability to stand alone before God and say...N-O...They could'nt stand before God because they were Pagans...the State of the unconscious mind. They had N-O differentiated consciousness and God hates people who will not move out of unconscious states.

This is utter rubbish. I'm surprised you wrote this! Are you serious? What do you mean? A pagan (non-Christian) can't stand before God and communicate honestly???

This, if you're serious, is a perfect example of Western arrogance: to think they are "more evolved". *Yuk*


This love affair people have with the East and indiginous religious beliefs is a step back...NOT a step forward. The East has NOTHING to teach a Westerner. I dont need their Yogi's and there platitudes...we have it in the N.T. Right there. If it survives the endless assault.

Only the NT has been subverted and corrupted from almost the very beginning. What can be distilled out of it - by squeezing very hard - which is genuine Traditional wisdom, has been taken from pre-Christian belief systems much older. There's a good reason as any to go to the older, pagan sources.
If you read Jesus' words you might suspect he's talking about meditation, yogic practices, chakras etc. I certainly think in many cases that's what he's talking about. The problem is it's so veiled and there really isn't any practical or theoretic instructions in the NT, so it's up to the reader to find it for themselves, if indeed they have the perception to understand it in this more esoteric way.


In my home country the local natives were wiped out in some places...by whom? The Red Coats? The British Crown? N-O...by the local landholders and their low life henchmen. Local aboriginal tribes also spent a great deal of time at each others throats before the white man came and you should see the old footage of the early 1900's...tribes, untouched by modern civilization, living in s-h-i-t and VERY short on the 'noble savage'.

You can live in s-h-i-t and be more noble than the Dalai lama.


It's happened Drak. Very sad. People do horrible things...is Europe immune? Ha!

I never said Europe was immune. Europe is experiencing the same Kali Yuga the entire world is experiencing. You seem to think that because my opinion of the West is thoroughly negative I automatically think Europe is the Garden of Eden. Wherever did you get THAT idea?

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This is about 2/3 through your post. I can't continue now cus I have to go to a party and get drunk. Poor me.

I'll continue at a later stage.

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Excuse me? ""Religious fanatics against abortion""?

So you have to be a religious fanatic to be against abortion?

I hav'nt set foot in a church in over 20 years. I've taken and dealt more drugs in my lost days than most. Thought socialism was great and liking your country for freaks.

I cant stand the useless church and the equally useless priests and there sell out to power...the wrong kind.

Abortion is murder.

Blue Angel we need to make a society that welcomes life and honours a Mothers role in society and not see it as a nuiscence that needs to be killed/aborted so ones prefered lifestyle is'nt compromised.

The mass abortion industry is an example of how low we've gone.

"J" would be a mass of dead pink flesh in the bin of a government sponsored abortion clinic if her Mother had followed my advice. Advice that i am eternally ashamed of.

Please feel free to call me a religious fanatic.

05-09-2005, 01:18 PM
There are many religious groups who are unequivocally opposed to abortion.

They will never vote against their party because of this ONE issue.

This turns voting for the President of the United States into a very "simplified system" of one issue and one vote.

You can be against abortion and have no religious affiliation as well, but I would think that the majority who oppose abortion are RELIGIOUS FANATICS!!!

My post did not intend to personally insult your beliefs or reflect that in some way I do not consider life as precious.

I have three children myself!!

I was merely making an observation as to how they prey on the fears of religious groups.

"One issue and one vote."

05-09-2005, 05:46 PM
Truebeliever,

You've taken and dealt more drugs!!

Why would you advertise this?

As far as the abortion issue, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You may believe abortion is murder. That is fine. Others do not. That is fine as well.

If we all thought the same, what a boring world and people we would be!!

:-P

05-09-2005, 05:49 PM
I had a wonderful Mother's Day. It doesn't mean commercialism to me.

My Marine son sent me flowers. My 17 year old son bought me a plant and my 22 year old daughter gave me a Meatloaf CD.

My husband bought me a pressure cleaner and I cooked and cleaned all day.

It was wonderful!!!

Life is Grand!!!

Happy Father's Day!!

:-) :-( :-? :-P

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 07:19 PM
Because, through this I have seen the machinations first hand of the NWO adherents, the criminals and their hangers on.

To understand the scum you need to understand the drug trade.

Besides...that life was a part of me. I'm afraid of NO aspect of my life. Through it i have recieved valuable insights into just how they work and the personal philosophy of these people.

I live in Australia...not the U.S...we are far from a police state yet.

People would ask when i job hunted after 4 years of dealing..."what did you do for this blanked out period"?..."I dealt drugs for a living"...I would reply. Because thats exactly what I did.

So I could get out. Buy property and set it up before a world conflageration.

I was a complete hypocrit. Two wrongs do not make a right.

"Why should I give a stuff about people". I'll take their money. They're dumb sheep anyway. And slowly i became exactly like the supposed enemy i despise.

Beside BA...i've paid my dues to society. It's over and done with. I thank God every day for the insights.

You do not have to be a little angel to have Christ in your life.

Some of the most thoughtful, decent, compassionate human beings I know have led VERY dubious lives in the past.

Some of the biggest arseholes I know have attended Church every Sunday for their entire lives.

And some very nice and decent middle class people believe abortion is o.k.

I'm glad your son in the marines has a mother like you though. I hope he gets out soon. Grows up and manages to think for himself.

05-09-2005, 07:34 PM
True Believer,

Because my son has a mother like me, he always "thinks" for himself and the military will never "brainwash" him.

I won't allow it!!

What I learned about MY "corrput" government from my past experience with them is not pretty, but it's the truth.

Sometimes, the truth hurts, but better to know the truth and hurt then to live in a "fairytale" that they have created for U.S.!!!

In this way, we will all be their "slaves" and not just those they incarcerate in mind control programs.

Cheers!!

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 11:37 PM
The Marines are nothing short of a Death Cult.

They are the cannon fodder of the U.S armed forces.

Worst equipped and put in the worst positions.

Get him out.

Draken
05-10-2005, 04:47 AM
Hi Blue Angel!

Because my son has a mother like me, he always "thinks" for himself and the military will never "brainwash" him.

I won't allow it!!

Why is he there then?

05-10-2005, 09:18 AM
Draken,

He's there because he thinks for himself. Not much I could have done about it.

He's almost two years now and is back in America after a year in Japan.

He has a plan and a goal.

We just pray everyday that he isn't sent to Iraq.

True Believer said, "get him out."

And how would one go about doing that?

I'll tell you something interesting though. When they are recruited in High School and sworn in before they graduate that time, according to the contract is suppose to count toward their enlistment.

IT DOESN'T!!!

05-10-2005, 09:25 AM
I take it your account information is a joke, truebeliever!

Who is repsonsible for ranking the posters?

:-? :-x :-P

DT291
05-10-2005, 10:08 AM
I did what any decent person should do on Mother's Day whose mother is no longer living. I went to her grave and paid my respects to her.

My mom was the complete opposite of the feminist career woman; she was a stay-at-home mom whose biggest concern were her two sons. Quite a shame she died suddenly after only 8 months after an elective heart surgery the doctor said would keep her from being tired all the time.

Good reason I don't trust doctors at all anymore.

truebeliever
05-10-2005, 08:22 PM
A definate joke.

That people would believe the intelligence community would bother with a bunch of religious nutters that frequent here...:-P

They monitor...they monitor ALL sites.

I took down more personal information because I fear in the long run a private vigilante, zionist freak show targetting people.

Especially since the freaks are moving down under.

You can get your son out easily. Odds on he will end up in Iraq. He can simply desert. Prepare a safe house now.

If he is'nt killed or severely wounded he will be fucked up emotionally for life.

I am ALWAYS dubious about people who give first hand accounts of close combat on the telly. All calm and rational. I know many combat veterens. Special Forces from Oz and regular...completely fucked up. Alcoholics, heavy drug users, heavy prescription medications, suicide.

The only ones to march are the cooks and the mechanics. No one who's seen the look in the enemy's eye before they killed him wants to remember...period. Or watched their friends die...perhaps horribly, arms and legs and heads blown off.

No one comes out of the situations your son may be put in the same...ever!

If you and he are worried about the word 'desertion'...it takes a real man to stand up for principals. He will be fighting people who are fighting for their own land against an invader.

There are at the very least 1500 families who thought it would be someone elses son to die.

Over 10,000 who thought someone elses son would be severly wounded.

GET HIM OUT whatever the cost.

Note this BA...

Armor issued despite warnings

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-08-armor-investigation_x.htm?POE=click-refer

truebeliever
05-10-2005, 08:50 PM
DT...good for you.

That was the original intention of the post before i noted the possible less than spontaneous origen of Mothers Day.

I'd just like something to be a genuine grass roots idea for once that does'nt include making money or manipulating the public mind to an end that probably does'nt serve the public good in the long run.

Good for every one that does their own thing.

Will we be having childrens day then? A celebration of the life and hope of a new generation?

A day where children ar'nt told to...

Shut Up

Just Do As You're Told

Do As I Say Not As I Do

WHile You Live Under My House You Live Under MY Rules

You Ask To Many Questions...Just Shut Up & Do It.

You Are SUCH A Nusience

All great training for a future Sheeple Globalist Lover.

Draken
05-11-2005, 01:38 AM
Hey guys!

Who the f*** needs a special day to celebrate one's parents, relatives or loved ones?

I don't.

If you love your loved ones you show it to them, not just ONE DAY, right?

05-11-2005, 05:40 PM
Now stop it, Truebeliever.

I'm worried enough about him being in the Marines and possibly going to Iraq.

I understand the reality that no one escapes war without some kind of psychological damage.

He's not going to Iraq!!

Isn't it Langley?

The misspelling really bothers me!!

:-?