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Emma Smith
10-29-2008, 02:49 PM
Okay, censorship in the US<st1:country-region><st1></st1></st1:country-region> must be at an all time high. Anyone going to see Zack and Miri Make A Porno (http://www.movietrailerlive.com/c2/ct_0004_ZackandMiri2) on October 31?<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDo***ent> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDo***ent> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> <o></o>

I saw an advanced screening and thought it was pretty damn funny. Probably Smith's best in awhile. Anyway, I'm sure you've all heard about the poster being banned in the <st1:country-region><st1>States</st1></st1:country-region> which is totally retarded. Here it is:
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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/cottoncabin/zackandmiri_resized_W406_H600_1-1.jpg
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So is this just a reflection of Puritan mania ala Bush government? Or has it always been this way? Will Obama (if he wins) change the way censorship is utilized? Is the word "porno" really that bad???

BlueAngel
10-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Sounds like another MINDLESS film.

What authority banned the poster?

What sense does that make?

What about the title of the film?

Are they going to ban that, too?

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 01:51 AM
Hey look another movie thread by Emma Smith!

Oh Emma.

Anyhoo, I'm a big Kevin Smith fan so I'm going to go see this just to support him. And yes Blue, networks have been purposely changing the title of the movie when they speak about it, just calling it Zack and Miri.

Reminds me of the time (way back when) that a new James Bond movie was coming out and it was called Octopussy. One of the local NY film critics (Gene Shallot) went out of his way to mispronounce this title. It was pretty funny.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 07:52 AM
Hey look another movie thread by Emma Smith!

Oh Emma.

Anyhoo, I'm a big Kevin Smith fan so I'm going to go see this just to support him. And yes Blue, networks have been purposely changing the title of the movie when they speak about it, just calling it Zack and Miri.

Reminds me of the time (way back when) that a new James Bond movie was coming out and it was called Octopussy. One of the local NY film critics (Gene Shallot) went out of his way to mispronounce this title. It was pretty funny.

Sure, they can call it Zack and Miri, but the title is:

Zack and Miri make a Porn.

So, the title hasnt' changed.

Anyhoo, what authority banned the poster?

Anyone know?

I would suggest that yes the word PORN is distasteful and this movie depicts the type of BETA programming that is targeted at our youth.

Loss of sexual inhibition.

I wouldn't see this movie if you paid me to do so because I don't support the controller's agenda.

Zack and Miri Make a Porno - The Story and About the Production (http://www.zackandmiri.com/story.html)

Emma Smith
10-30-2008, 08:47 AM
Anyhoo, what authority banned the poster?

Anyone know?


The MPAA (motion picture association of america) was the authority that banned the poster.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 09:23 AM
The MPAA (motion picture association of america) was the authority that banned the poster.

So, is there an entity that has authority over the title of films?

If it is the MPAA, seems a bit hypocritical to me.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 09:25 AM
I log in and it logs me out in addition to saying that I don't have permission to edit my comment because it logged me out.

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 12:39 PM
I log in and it logs me out in addition to saying that I don't have permission to edit my comment because it logged me out.

OK I'm going to alert the tech guys about this.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 01:01 PM
OK I'm going to alert the tech guys about this.

Thanks.

Just wondering if this happens to anyone else.

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 01:02 PM
>.< yes it happened to me I was just waiting to see if it happened to anyone else.

Slork
10-30-2008, 01:30 PM
The MPAA (motion picture association of america) was the authority that banned the poster.


Yeah, it does seem a bit hypocritical if they were actually the ones that banned it.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 01:46 PM
What I meant was that if the MPAA banned the poster, what entity has control over movie titles?

Surely, someone does.

If it is the MPAA, their banning of the poster is hypocritical, but most likely a move to try to make them look like the puritans that they are not.

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 08:29 PM
That's funny.

Utah.

A mormon state, bans Zack and Miri.

'Zack and Miri' Banned in Utah (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/zackandmiri_blog.html)

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 09:08 PM
Well I'm going to see it tomorrow (good thing I don't live in Utah), I'll let you know how it is Blue, or I won't if you'd rather not know.

And stay away from Clerks II I have a feeling you'd really really hate that movie. :(

BlueAngel
10-30-2008, 09:22 PM
Well I'm going to see it tomorrow (good thing I don't live in Utah), I'll let you know how it is Blue, or I won't if you'd rather not know.

And stay away from Clerks II I have a feeling you'd really really hate that movie. :(

Thanks for the heads up about Clerks II.

I think being a prisoner of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and the sexual abuse I endured; together with my knowledge as to their agenda for society and the filth they target at our youth, just makes my stomach turn when sexually explicit material is shown in movies.

Like that scene in "Something about Mary," with Stiler in the bathroom.

I mean, I just can't watch certain movies with my kids.

The sexual content is just too graphic so much of the time.

It might be that I'm just oversensitized; could be I'm a prude or like I said, merely because I understand their agenda.

Lemme know what you think.

Enjoy!

Leonardo
10-31-2008, 03:54 PM
Okay, censorship in the US<st1:country-region><st1></st1></st1:country-region> must be at an all time high. Anyone going to see Zack and Miri Make A Porno (http://www.movietrailerlive.com/c2/ct_0004_ZackandMiri2) on October 31?<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDo***ent> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDo***ent> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> <o></o>

I saw an advanced screening and thought it was pretty damn funny. Probably Smith's best in awhile. Anyway, I'm sure you've all heard about the poster being banned in the <st1:country-region><st1>States</st1></st1:country-region> which is totally retarded. Here it is:
<o></o>
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/cottoncabin/zackandmiri_resized_W406_H600_1-1.jpg
<o></o>
So is this just a reflection of Puritan mania ala Bush government? Or has it always been this way? Will Obama (if he wins) change the way censorship is utilized? Is the word "porno" really that bad???

The denotative meaning of porno is accurate enough, even if 'porno' is a slang term for two people fucking on camera. But in Monarch, 'porno' is important to affect the desired 'butterfly effect'. People are conditioned to 'porno', so they will watch the word 'porno' wherever it is. Yes, WORDS are everything. The world is controlled by WORDS. WORDS are mental power. And the Illuminati controls the world through psycho-spiritual FORCE of LOGOS. Remember that. Also remember the universe was created by the LOGOS. LOGOS is all powerful to Create or Destroy. In short it is the FORCE. You probably don't understand this because you're dumb and ignorant, Emma. But just read what I've written below and see if it doesn't make sense. The word PORNO really is that bad.

Actually sounds like another case of the Hegelian Dialectic (the devil's game, a Dialectician) at work.

You first must make a Thesis ridiculous however for it for work. So, thus we have Puritanism, an extremely false, legalistic form of Protestant Biblicism, which is actually a modern myth inflated by atheists, satanists, wiccans, or whoever needs an angle to attack 'Judeo-Christianity' will cry 'Puritanism' alot like you're doing right now. Madonna used it successfully so that she could dance around like a little blonde whore and make a ton of money off of a really shallow, talentless musical career. Madonna is using Beelzebub type of magick. The Illuminati use the magick of the Lord of the Flies to create a "Shit Buzz", as we call it. If you want to attrack all the flies and maggots and what not of the world, you first need a big pile of Horse Shit or something like it. A Shit Buzz is good for stirring up the masses. That is why you'll often hear us say things like, The Illuminati are great Shit Stirers. That is actually what they are brewing in their cauldron. The Illuminati need Shit to survive. They feed off of and gain wealth through SHIT BUZZ tactics.

Next, you use such a ridiculous standard to establish the laws, bylaws of a country, even bluelaws, and many of you are well aquanted with the blue laws. Those are laws made by women that actually don't exist but are simply assumed in polite society until a woman wants to use one of them against a man and a woman is the only member of humanity that can successfully use and manipulate bluelaws, except for a politician of course.

Then what you do is create 'liberalism'. And you make 'liberalism' seem 'logical'. You bolster it with false logic, false science, false education, false entertainment, xyz. BUT, and this is important, you must make your liberalism very very VERY close to the actually truth of the matter for it to be adequately effective for deceiving and programing the masses. This way, people will get so tired of the Thesis (Puritanism) that they will in time become conditioned to the Antithesis (Liberalism, SATANISM), and thus will establish a Sinthesis after a few hundred years or so, if your lucky, and you live in a closed universe where you don't have an all powerful God with a sense of humor leading a dislexic named Fra N. into a course of metaphysical training wherein he will break the omega code or something along those lines.

So, yes, its an example of how you could use the Hegelian Dialectic like a magician's trick to slowly condition the masses to accept PORN as the norm and keep them mystically and metaphysically enslaved to the Whore of Babalon and in time Create a Satanic World Empire, if you were one who wanted to pull off such a distraction.

Truth of the matter is, Biblically speaking, pretty much anything goes sexually as long as its holistic, loving and in a state of mariage. A man can lick hers and she can suck his, in fact, if I'm reading Solomon right in the Hebrew, I don't really know of an orafice that is off limits between a man and woman who are married. So, really, if people knew the Bible they would understand that they've been robbing themselves blind by jacking off to porno on the internet all this time to women who don't even exist while they could have been doing all that an more themselves had they gotten maried.

People are stupid, what can I say. But you have to understand that the Illuminati control the airwaves right now, and people believe all that buzz and especially women. Women always 'believe' the most common denominator. If 'most people' are 'believing' or 'doing' are 'saying something' a woman will almost always buy into it. Like you are right now with Puritanism. Satan was the first one who created a Shit Buzz for a woman. Notice that Satan did not tempt the man to eat the forbidden fruit, but the dumb woman, Eve. So women are great tools of Satan and the Illuminati to make noise and create the auraole of an even bigger SHIT BUZZ. Satan did it through the destructive and negative power of LOGOS, and so the Illuminati does today. But it takes millions of stupid, whoreish, worthless, ignorant, duped women to make it happen, women a lot like you.

Thank you.

--Fra N.

P.S. Sticks and Stones can break your bones, but Words can break your soul. Remember.

justgroovy
10-31-2008, 04:31 PM
Oh and by the way . . .

Emma is cheating on us! (http://www.bigscreentalk.com/f2/zack-miri-make-porno-1911.html)

BlueAngel
10-31-2008, 07:19 PM
Oh and by the way . . .

Emma is cheating on us! (http://www.bigscreentalk.com/f2/zack-miri-make-porno-1911.html)

I feel so, so, so USED!

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:25 AM
I already have my own personal theory as to who and what our precious 'Emma' is.

A real bber would have been on my post like a rat on a cheeto. But no, 'Emma' seems to be aloft in the sundry quite a bit and makes her 'circuit' here only once in a while.

However, she does bring up a good social programming issue.

Here's what I see for the future of PORNO PROGRAMMING.

First it was just smut mags, snuff films, and VHS tapes.

Then the advent of cable porn flics.

Next came the great advent of internet porn.

So here's what I figure, they've been trying to warp everyone into sexual deviancy for quite a while now. They've made a ton of money, but that just isn't good enough. Now they are trying to get everyone to 'make' porn in they're own pig pen.

I think I get it. I am supposed to take my 'girlfriend' to see this 'Romantic Comedy', and then like monkey see monkey do, we giggle and giggle and giggle and get really horny and say to one another, Hey 'Mari', why don't WE make a PORNO too and post it on youtube, huh huh, hee hee, har har! Won't that be 'FUN', won't that be 'FUNNY' "PORNO' = 'FUNNY'. 'PORNO' = 'ROMANTIC'. 'PORNO' = 'MONEY'.

Here is an example of illuminati social programming 101.


P.S. Dear 'Emma', is the word Dumb or Ignorant really that bad?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:26 AM
Yeah Emma has broke our hearts BUT to his credit at least Emma comes back and pretends to be interested in us. Most site pimpers don't even do that.

I can't wait to see what movie MOVIETRAILERLIVE.COM has in store for us.

Any ideas Emma?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Yeah Emma has broke our hearts BUT to his credit at least Emma comes back and pretends to be interested in us. Most site pimpers don't even do that.

I can't wait to see what movie MOVIETRAILERLIVE.COM has in store for us.

Any ideas Emma?

Dear Mrs. Groovy.

Could you please inform all of us poor Club Conspirators about crowd gather. How many bbs services are we all on now?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:36 AM
Hmmmm, intriguing.

Browsing around crowdgather.com is quite informative and educational.

My, my, my what have we here....

Expanding horizens..

Per Aspera Ad Astra?

Perhaps 1000?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:41 AM
Hmmmm, intriguing.

Browsing around crowdgather.com is quite informative and educational.

My, my, my what have we here....

Expanding horizens..

Per Aspera Ad Astra?

Perhaps 1000?

1000? >.< not even close. I think they have around 75-80 that they have acquired, all with varying degrees of activity. Some they have are extremely active, some are somewhat active, some aren't so active at all.

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:43 AM
Emma? Oh, Emma?!

Where art thou, Oh Emma?!

How am I supposed to find my way into the Hotel California, without you as my guiding light, dear?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:44 AM
1000? >.< not even close. I think they have around 75-80 that they have acquired, all with varying degrees of activity. Some they have are extremely active, some are somewhat active, some aren't so active at all.

Yes, but I thought you needed a 1000 points of light? I'm just saying it is something to aim for, right?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:52 AM
I mean, what other place than crowdgather.com can I get my gaming, movie, metal, gardening, sado-masochism and bondage, goth, and movie information all in one convenient marketing and network package?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:53 AM
I don't need 1000 points of light. I'm a community manager with CG, which means I'm a pretty low man on the totem pole.

I think CG has their hands full with the sites they have anyway.

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Never let them make you feel inferior to them, even if you are an humble programmer and forum controller. Remember, you're a star too, and you are a shining point of light.

I think everyone on this forum would be willing to shine with you. Let us shine and twinkle...like....like a candle in the wind.

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 12:08 PM
lol

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 12:26 PM
lol

That IS funny, groovy!

You know something else funny? PORNO!

That's FUNNY!

That's what I just learned from that new movie ***ming out call Jackoff and Harry make a PORNO.

It's romantic and funny!

So, since you laughed, you must want to be romantic. And if you want to be romantic you must want to make a porno with me! That's hilarious!

I'll just stick my penus in your vagina and we'll film it and put it on Ebay!

That is ROMANTIC and FUNNY!

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm not sure how me lol-ing at

I think everyone on this forum would be willing to shine with you. Let us shine and twinkle...like....like a candle in the wind.

turned us into a possible internet porn tag team.

I hate to crush your dreams of making the big time, but my days of being naked on the internet are WAY over. Sorry.

BlueAngel
11-01-2008, 01:49 PM
That IS funny, groovy!

You know something else funny? PORNO!

That's FUNNY!

That's what I just learned from that new movie ***ming out call Jackoff and Harry make a PORNO.

It's romantic and funny!

So, since you laughed, you must want to be romantic. And if you want to be romantic you must want to make a porno with me! That's hilarious!

I'll just stick my penus in your vagina and we'll film it and put it on Ebay!

That is ROMANTIC and FUNNY!

Wait.

JustGroovy was an internet porn star?

BlueAngel
11-01-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm not sure how me lol-ing at



turned us into a possible internet porn tag team.

I hate to crush your dreams of making the big time, but my days of being naked on the internet are WAY over. Sorry.

Wait.

You were an internet porn star?

:D

cg admin
11-01-2008, 05:34 PM
lol no :p

BlueAngel
11-01-2008, 07:11 PM
lol no :p

Lordy.

That's good to know.

justgroovy
11-02-2008, 12:56 AM
Oh Snap! (http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=802549)

Emma has another online identity! I know it's him because in one of his posts he talks about being from Toronto. Oh Emma/Kristy/other girl name (even though you're a dude), isn't there a better way for you to make some cash? Site pimpers are such lowlives. You are right in there with telemarketers and herpes.

GIVE UP THIS LIFE EMMA!

Emma Smith
11-03-2008, 11:25 AM
LOL! Look, can we just talk about the movie??

justgroovy
11-03-2008, 11:38 AM
LOL! Look, can we just talk about the movie??

Truthfully we are supposed to IP ban sitepimpers/spammers, but I've not done that to you just because you do make the effort to come back and answer in these threads.

I know it will break Leonardo's heart to know you are a 28 year old dude, but I think a little pain now will save him from the lifetime of hurt that comes with unrequited love.

your pal,

justgroovy

PS I give Zack And Miri a 7.5 (with the extra .5 for using the MC Chris classic Fett's Vette in the movie) not as good as Clerks II but it was good.

PPS Sorry BA, please don't be mad at me because I enjoy cringe humor. :(

Emma Smith
11-03-2008, 11:44 AM
Truthfully we are supposed to IP ban sitepimpers/spammers, but I've not done that to you just because you do make the effort to come back and answer in these threads.

I know it will break Leonardo's heart to know you are a 28 year old dude, but I think a little pain now will save him from the lifetime of hurt that comes with unrequited love.

your pal,

justgroovy

PS I give Zack And Miri a 7.5 (with the extra .5 for using the MC Chris classic Fett's Vette in the movie) not as good as Clerks II but it was good.

PPS Sorry BA, please don't be mad at me because I enjoy cringe humor. :(

Ah okay. Thanks! You know I do actively take part in other discussion as well though. Not just movies, although I admit, that is the majority of my posts. I will not bother you too much though

cg admin
11-03-2008, 11:46 AM
It's true, I saw that all the genmay posts were not movie related, YOU LIKE THEM BETTER THAN US!

BlueAngel
11-03-2008, 12:47 PM
I am totally and completely disgusted with you JustGroovy for enjoying this movie.

I think you should feel exactly the same way I do!

:)

In all seriousness.

Glad you liked it.

Mr.NAFTA
11-07-2008, 09:18 PM
Well I don't think the word "porno" is bad, considering I google it at least 10 times a day :P. seriously though no the word is not bad, after all what is a word but a vocalization, and no you can not say a word is bad because of it's denotative meaning, as the denotative meaning of words change greatly over time. so you can say what is bad is the connocative meaning people associate with the word. of course people like blue who have been abuse will have a different connotative meaning of porno, so will some christians, and people who represent other "morality based organizations". So to me no Zack and Miri make a porno isn't a bad title, actually it's not a title at all, it's basically just the exact description of the movie. Personally I think it's worse to edit it and not let people know what they are seeing. What if some couple just sees the picture and think it's a romantic clean cut comedy by the title of Zack and Miri, and have no idea it's a raunchy seth and smith master piece the likes of which many of us know and love. Put porno so anyone who is offended can stay away from not just reading it BUT WATCHING IT. Or how about P-OR-NO, then it's more like a question if you have to use the rest room or not P? or no?. BTW i'm thinking of emailing my buddy smith and saying i got the script for Zack and Miri make a Gothic/Nazi/Satanic/Triple Anal Princess/Two D1ck and a Dildo/Midget on Horseback/Musical-Action-War time Drama-Horror for the NWO movie Staring Jude Law as Seth Rogan.....hmmm can we say BlockBuster...........of course it will be IMAX only pffft expect anything less than porno in 3D?.........point of that last rambling, ya it could of been much worse than just porno, not exactly pushing the bar in my opinion. Plus, it's just a good movie haha.

BlueAngel
11-08-2008, 08:59 PM
Well I don't think the word "porno" is bad, considering I google it at least 10 times a day :P. seriously though no the word is not bad, after all what is a word but a vocalization, and no you can not say a word is bad because of it's denotative meaning, as the denotative meaning of words change greatly over time. so you can say what is bad is the connocative meaning people associate with the word. of course people like blue who have been abuse will have a different connotative meaning of porno, so will some christians, and people who represent other "morality based organizations". So to me no Zack and Miri make a porno isn't a bad title, actually it's not a title at all, it's basically just the exact description of the movie. Personally I think it's worse to edit it and not let people know what they are seeing. What if some couple just sees the picture and think it's a romantic clean cut comedy by the title of Zack and Miri, and have no idea it's a raunchy seth and smith master piece the likes of which many of us know and love. Put porno so anyone who is offended can stay away from not just reading it BUT WATCHING IT. Or how about P-OR-NO, then it's more like a question if you have to use the rest room or not P? or no?. BTW i'm thinking of emailing my buddy smith and saying i got the script for Zack and Miri make a Gothic/Nazi/Satanic/Triple Anal Princess/Two D1ck and a Dildo/Midget on Horseback/Musical-Action-War time Drama-Horror for the NWO movie Staring Jude Law as Seth Rogan.....hmmm can we say BlockBuster...........of course it will be IMAX only pffft expect anything less than porno in 3D?.........point of that last rambling, ya it could of been much worse than just porno, not exactly pushing the bar in my opinion. Plus, it's just a good movie haha.

There isn't a different meaning of the word pornography.

Pornography is pornography and nothing else.

I know what their agenda is regarding our youth when exposing them consistently to sexual content in movies, television, music, etc.

This is the reason I deplore movies that are aimed at our youth and desensitize them to sex.

Sex becomes love and love becomes sex and this creates the breakdown of the family unit which is the core and the fabric of our society, but has been dismantled by the controllers in this regard.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 10:10 PM
Well hell, who wants to wait to get married and have a family to have sex? So movies like this lead to more young naive women with low self esteem and a daddy complex who are willing to do anything twice. Can't say I have not reaped the rewards of this agenda desensitization of our sexual inhibitions. All i'm saying is if Kevin Smith is actually secretly helping me get laid through his films, well I got to buy that man a drink. Of course there are different meanings of the word "pornography", is it just nudity? some would say, others would say that can be art, is it two or more people naked together? sexual discriptions? implied penetration? visible penetration? wait Lets google it...."anything that is created to cause sexual excitement or arousel"....so women are your underwear? yes it's pornography, it was created not for support but to cause men's sexual excitement. oh wait are we going to ban victoria secrets?, btw if a someone makes a porno for educational purposes and not to sexually excite or arouse people does that no longer make it pornography? how about if the actors in a porno are extremely ugly and no one was excited, or infact it actually was made to disgust people and turn them away from having any sexual excitement, now that might be a new industry. a company that makes movies with heavy sexual content that is designed to be disgusting would still be pornography by some, but not by all. So in the end the definition is based upon the given "intent". Now I can argue that Blue comes on here to talk in detail about her mindcontrol springstein orgies with the soul purpose to sexual excite various members in the hopes of them privately messaging her, so she can cyber mind control webcam screw these lonely bastards while her husband video tapes the whole thing for their private website, which of course they use to supplement their income. Now Blue if your story gave even one member a chubby while they thought about springstein gimp ball gagging you and donkey punching you in the back of the head while singing Born in the USA, are you a Smut peddler? are you only at fault if you profit from it? is free porn still porn? was your intention to inform or to arouse? maybe you should look at yourself before you hate on good o'l kevin smith.

BlueAngel
11-08-2008, 10:26 PM
Now I can argue that Blue comes on here to talk in detail about her mindcontrol springstein orgies with the soul purpose to sexual excite various members in the hopes of them privately messaging her, so she can cyber mind control webcam screw these lonely bastards while her husband video tapes the whole thing for their private website, which of course they use to supplement their income. Now Blue if your story gave even one member a chubby while they thought about springstein gimp ball gagging you and donkey punching you in the back of the head while singing Born in the USA, are you a Smut peddler? are you only at fault if you profit from it? is free porn still porn? was your intention to inform or to arouse? maybe you should look at yourself before you hate on good o'l kevin smith.

I seriously doubt most people who know about mind control and the traumatization that the victims experienced and, even those who don't, but read my thread, would argue that what I write about my victimization is in the hopes of giving another member a chubby so that they PM me.

You're one sick bastard!

But, you've made that evident.

Like you said, you google pornography about 100 times a day.

So, it's understandable that when I write about sexual abuse, you believe it is to sexaully arouse others.

You sound like ONE OF THEM.

A sadistic pig!

Springsteen would be one of the SMUT peddlars, NOT I.

I've been faithfully married for 26 year and I have no desire to elicit a sexual encounter with anyone other than my husband.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 10:56 PM
I was simply playing the devil's advocate to your statement about "There isn't a different meaning of the word pornography." I take that stance that it is open to Interpretation. People have the right to express themselves. You express publically events that happened to you in your life. Well some of those events are sexually explict, which can be defined as pornography by some. Just the same as when retired pornstars write their biographies, which of course is going to contain sexual material, and are then labeled pornographic by religious groups of walmart bans the sell of the book. No where is any definition did it say pornography was defined by if the people did it for money or mindcontrol. You want it both ways, but guess what, if you do it and you talk about it, then your guilty of it.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 11:04 PM
"I seriously doubt most people who know about mind control and the traumatization that the victims experienced and, even those who don't, but read my thread, would argue that what I write about my victimization is in the hopes of giving another member a chubby so that they PM me."

Oh so you doubt that sicko people who are into incest don't read incest stories, or join incest survivor groups so that they can get off on the stories of victims. Don't be naive. Oh wait you know this? well then how do you know Bruce isn't tracking you and reading all your posts loving every torrid detail of it, sitting behind his computer on tour remembering the good o'l days? You can't rule that out can you? Can't rule out that Cathy O'Brien's book was picked up by Hilary and she got off on reading out how she was forced to muff dive on her. Just like a serial killer who takes a trophy to relive his kills, everytime you make a post there is the possibility that one of your handlers is using it to get his jollies off. So by many definitions, you are a smut peddler.

BlueAngel
11-08-2008, 11:05 PM
I was simply playing the devil's advocate to your statement about "There isn't a different meaning of the word pornography." I take that stance that it is open to Interpretation. People have the right to express themselves. You express publically events that happened to you in your life. Well some of those events are sexually explict, which can be defined as pornography by some. Just the same as when retired pornstars write their biographies, which of course is going to contain sexual material, and are then labeled pornographic by religious groups of walmart bans the sell of the book. No where is any definition did it say pornography was defined by if the people did it for money or mindcontrol. You want it both ways, but guess what, if you do it and you talk about it, then your guilty of it.

Sorry, but pornography is pornography and there is only definition for same. It's not open to interpretation.

Those who partake in such of their own free will are porn stars.

Being a victim of sexual abuse in a mind control program and used in Mafia/CIA pornography when a child against my own free will and writing about it, isn't pornography, pal.

It's a CRIME!

If you or anyone else infers the same to be pornography, you are one SICK PUPPY!

It's about sexual deviants who abuse children, pal.

That isn't pornography.

It's a crime!

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 12:08 AM
"I seriously doubt most people who know about mind control and the traumatization that the victims experienced and, even those who don't, but read my thread, would argue that what I write about my victimization is in the hopes of giving another member a chubby so that they PM me."

Oh so you doubt that sicko people who are into incest don't read incest stories, or join incest survivor groups so that they can get off on the stories of victims. Don't be naive. Oh wait you know this? well then how do you know Bruce isn't tracking you and reading all your posts loving every torrid detail of it, sitting behind his computer on tour remembering the good o'l days? You can't rule that out can you? Can't rule out that Cathy O'Brien's book was picked up by Hilary and she got off on reading out how she was forced to muff dive on her. Just like a serial killer who takes a trophy to relive his kills, everytime you make a post there is the possibility that one of your handlers is using it to get his jollies off. So by many definitions, you are a smut peddler.

I said most people don't read the mind control within the music industry thread and interpret it as pornography.

I would be referring to normal people and not the minority of sickos, like yourself.

I don't know if Springsteen is tracking me or reading these posts and quite frankly I could care less if he is or if he's getting off on it and thinks about them as the good ole' days.

If he does, only proves he's as sick as I've written.

I don't have handlers, pal, and I'm not peddling anything.

I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me and thousands of other children and the SMUT who are responsible for same.

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 12:14 AM
First off, my names not pal, and i'm in no way your pal. Many children are not paid to be in "child pornography" but it's still pornography, so what your saying pornography is only present when someone is paid and then they are considered a pornstar if they do it willingly for money? Yeah your logic has more holes than swiss cheese. Pornography isn't about free will. Most of it is made against people's will or wishes. It's still pornography. It can be mindcontrol, or financial control, either way they are being manipulated and controlled. What you are writing is pornographic material, you can say it's a crime. The only thing criminal about it is that you constantly post it publicly where others read it. Yes if it's a crime you would get off your ass and do something about it. Oh wait you can't right? because you've been married to your husband for 26 years, so i'm guessing your last abuse was at least that long ago, and since they didn't murder you, well you probably let the statue of limitations run out so even if you have any proof it's useless. Well you know what is criminal that you didn't get off your ass and do more to help those children still involved in the program and spend your time on here arguing with me about kevin smith films. Wow your a real proactive victim/survivor arn't you? If you have knowledge of a crime and evidence and don't come forward your apart of that crime, your just as guilty, your apart of covering it up. Every person who was abused after you, every person who could of been helped, ever person who hasn't recovered from their mindcontrol like you were able to is being victimized and you do what to help them? What are you doing to help them? Posting on here where nothing will ever get done about the problem. Your the sicko, look in the mirror, i'm not the one who was abused and let my abuser go on abusing others so I can sit at home with my family on my computer enjoying my life while others suffer. You got out, you have a responsiblity, and yet you just spend your energy mouthing off to me? You are not a child anymore, your a damn adult, your not a victim anymore your a survivor, your not a slave anymore your free, yet what do you do to help those still being victimize, what are you doing to free those who are still enslaved, what do you do to help those who are still children? Stop ignoring your resposiblities by babbling on about kevin smith to me. You have evidence your keeping, won't give us, pictures you hiding from us, names your still holding back, lady the only crime being commited here is by you. There crimes against you are long passed, but everyday you cover this up your the commiting the crime.

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 12:20 AM
First off, my names not pal, and i'm in no way your pal. Many children are not paid to be in "child pornography" but it's still pornography, so what your saying pornography is only present when someone is paid and then they are considered a pornstar if they do it willingly for money? Yeah your logic has more holes than swiss cheese. Pornography isn't about free will. Most of it is made against people's will or wishes. It's still pornography. It can be mindcontrol, or financial control, either way they are being manipulated and controlled. What you are writing is pornographic material, you can say it's a crime. The only thing criminal about it is that you constantly post it publicly where others read it. Yes if it's a crime you would get off your ass and do something about it. Oh wait you can't right? because you've been married to your husband for 26 years, so i'm guessing your last abuse was at least that long ago, and since they didn't murder you, well you probably let the statue of limitations run out so even if you have any proof it's useless. Well you know what is criminal that you didn't get off your ass and do more to help those children still involved in the program and spend your time on here arguing with me about kevin smith films. Wow your a real proactive victim/survivor arn't you? If you have knowledge of a crime and evidence and don't come forward your apart of that crime, your just as guilty, your apart of covering it up. Every person who was abused after you, every person who could of been helped, ever person who hasn't recovered from their mindcontrol like you were able to is being victimized and you do what to help them? What are you doing to help them? Posting on here where nothing will ever get done about the problem. Your the sicko, look in the mirror, i'm not the one who was abused and let my abuser go on abusing others so I can sit at home with my family on my computer enjoying my life while others suffer. You got out, you have a responsiblity, and yet you just spend your energy mouthing off to me? You are not a child anymore, your a damn adult, your not a victim anymore your a survivor, your not a slave anymore your free, yet what do you do to help those still being victimize, what are you doing to free those who are still enslaved, what do you do to help those who are still children? Stop ignoring your resposiblities by babbling on about kevin smith to me. You have evidence your keeping, won't give us, pictures you hiding from us, names your still holding back, lady the only crime being commited here is by you. There crimes against you are long passed, but everyday you cover this up your the commiting the crime.

I can't make heads or tails of this rambling.

My pal's logic is apparently TWISTED!

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 12:25 AM
Everything I said makes perfect sense, you just like to hide behind the veil of being a victim, while you let your victimizers go free and abuse other children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 12:56 AM
Everything I said makes perfect sense, you just like to hide behind the veil of being a victim, while you let your victimizers go free and abuse other children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Not much of what you say makes sense.

It's twisted logic.

Trying to place the blame on me for the victimization of every child that is incarcerated in a mind control cult instead of placing the blame on those who abused us.

Oh, yeah.

It's all my fault.

I don't hide behind the veil of being a victim.

I'm not a victim.

Once a victim, not always a victim, eh?

I don't allow my victimizer's to go free.

They'll get what's coming to them very soon.

That's the reason evidence was supplied and is in safe hands and safe keeping.

How's that sit with you?

Good.

I thought you'd like to know that.

Now you can calm down.

You should be ashamed of yourself for insinuating that what I write about my imprisonment is pornography.

You sound exactly like one of the PERVERTS who abuse and then blame the child for it.

Are you?

You know.

One of those mind control perverts?

You sound like it to me, pal.

Now, go google pornography 100 times as you like to do.

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 01:19 AM
You been married 26 years? were you still being passed around to all of Bruce's friends after the wedding? If not then you have waited at least 26 years to give them what they have coming. How soon is that? doesn't seem like you've done anything soon enough. Over 20 years have slipped by before you take any action. I have not abused anyone, nor have I blamed a child, your a full grown woman, your not a child anymore, so I will not afford you the protection a child deserves. Your an adult who keeps telling everyone they will get what is coming to them soon, I have proof, yet you lie in wait, while Springsteen is allowed to make his millions, continue his deviant behavior, what your going to take him down now that he's an old has been. No I don't find any of your statements comforting or calming. I don't trust your judgement or those you entrust with your evidence. You've already proven yourself to be the kind of person who takes her good sweet 20+ year time to take any action. Not to mention accusing anyone who questions your actions of being a mindcontrol pervert only discredits you, because you steer the focus away from those who actually are. That is just irresponsible. You are one of the only people who claims to have damaging evidence against these sickos, yet you go out of your way to make yourself sound like a looney who no one will take serious and believe, and you think I can find that comforting and calming? You spend so much time pointing your condemning finger at innocent people like me that when you finally point it in the right direction it will be like the crying wolf once again. Your a real creep for not holding yourself to a higher standard and not striving to keep yourself credible. I'm sure the children being abused will thank you for pointing your finger at innocent people, instead of getting off your high horse and doing something to stop those who you know are guilty. Shame on you. PAL!!!!!!!!!

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 01:20 AM
First off, my names not pal, and i'm in no way your pal.

Hey, pal.

Many children are not paid to be in "child pornography" but it's still pornography, so what your saying pornography is only present when someone is paid and then they are considered a pornstar if they do it willingly for money?

Many children aren't paid to be in pornography, you say. EEK!! Really? Some are paid? Yikes! Otherwise, the rest are forced, right?

Yep. I'm saying pornography is pornography whether you're paid or not. Whether you're a porn star partaking in such of your own free will or a CHILD forced to partake in PORNOGRAPHY against your own free will. However, there's a difference, pal? Do you see the difference betwen a child being forced against their own free will and an adult doing so of their own choosing?

Yeah your logic has more holes than swiss cheese. Pornography isn't about free will. Most of it is made against people's will or wishes. It's still pornography.

Children who are forced to partake in pornography are doing so against their own free will. Get it? FORCED? Most pornography is made against people's will or wishes, you say. Where are you living? Under a rock? There is a ton of pornography out there made of people's own free will and wishes.

It can be mindcontrol, or financial control, either way they are being manipulated and controlled. What you are writing is pornographic material, you can say it's a crime. The only thing criminal about it is that you constantly post it publicly where others read it.

Not every porn star is being manipulated or controlled. What I'm writing about is not pornographic material. I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me when I was a child. PERIOD! For you to think that posting it publicly for others to read is criminal, is, well, RIDICULOUS!

Yes if it's a crime you would get off your ass and do something about it. Oh wait you can't right? because you've been married to your husband for 26 years, so i'm guessing your last abuse was at least that long ago, and since they didn't murder you, well you probably let the statue of limitations run out so even if you have any proof it's useless.

It is a crime. Not, IF it's a crime. There isn't a statue of limitations, pal, so the proof and evidence are still valid. I'm writing about it, pal. That's doing something. Sorry, if I'm not working fast enough for you, but I don't exist to please you.

Well you know what is criminal that you didn't get off your ass and do more to help those children still involved in the program and spend your time on here arguing with me about kevin smith films.

Oh, yeah, it's real criminal of me cause I haven't gotten off my ass and done more. You have no clue what I've done, pal.

Wow your a real proactive victim/survivor arn't you? If you have knowledge of a crime and evidence and don't come forward your apart of that crime, your just as guilty, your apart of covering it up.

Oh, please. Stop telling me I'm guilty of something for which I am not. I'm not covering anything up. I think you've read about it here.

Every person who was abused after you, every person who could of been helped, ever person who hasn't recovered from their mindcontrol like you were able to is being victimized and you do what to help them? What are you doing to help them?

Excuse me, pal, but I'm doing a hell of a lot more than you are; however, I'm not responsible for the actions of the perverts against children incarcerated in these programs.

Posting on here where nothing will ever get done about the problem. Your the sicko, look in the mirror, i'm not the one who was abused and let my abuser go on abusing others so I can sit at home with my family on my computer enjoying my life while others suffer.

Sorry, pal, but it's out of my hands. Posting on this forum has been the most cathartic experience I could have ever imagined. Why do you think they sent me away; traumatized me; tortured me; attempted to leave me for brain dead? So Springsteen and the other perpetrators could remain free and continue abusing children.

You got out, you have a responsiblity, and yet you just spend your energy mouthing off to me?

I'll spend my energy as I see fit.

You are not a child anymore, your a damn adult, your not a victim anymore your a survivor, your not a slave anymore your free, yet what do you do to help those still being victimize, what are you doing to free those who are still enslaved, what do you do to help those who are still children?

What do you do to help those who are still being victimized?

Stop ignoring your resposiblities by babbling on about kevin smith to me. You have evidence your keeping, won't give us, pictures you hiding from us, names your still holding back, lady the only crime being commited here is by you. There crimes against you are long passed, but everyday you cover this up your the commiting the crime.

Who the hell are WE? Are you more than one? Split/alters? Oh, yeah, I'm committing a crime. Give me a break, fool! It's out of my hands, but be patient. The time is near.

It will not recognize that I have commented inside the quote, so I will leave this here in order to post.

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 02:03 AM
"Hey, pal."
Real adult of you.

"Many children aren't paid to be in pornography, you say. EEK!! Really? Some are paid? Yikes! Otherwise, the rest are forced, right?"

Anyone who has taken any kind of formal debating classes will tell you never to make statements with absolutes. There is the possiblity that some children are given money for say their families in 3rd world countries to lure them into agreeing to be in pornography.

"Yep. I'm saying pornography is pornography whether you're paid or not. Whether you're a porn star partaking in such of your own free will or a CHILD forced to partake in PORNOGRAPHY against your own free will. However, there's a difference, pal? Do you see the difference betwen a child being forced against their own free will and an adult doing so of their own choosing?"

There have been well documented cases of children agreeing to partake in being filmed doing sexual favors for men, one which famous case was a Russian guy who took money for many rich europeans to make custom kiddy porn sex tapes with torture and even snuffing. So yes some children agree to be in these movies of their own free will, but you know what lady that doesn't fucking count because they arn't mature enough mentally to make those kinds of decisions. Like many pornstars who have been abused and are stuck in a childish mental state are not mature enough to consent to such contracts. Oh you doubt me children have agreed to take money to be in porn? History lesson for you, why don't you look up tracilords, entered porn underage with a fake ID at about 15-16, made a lot of money doing it too, but it's still kiddy porn. Oh wow blow your mind that a child would actually lie there way into porn? doesn't matter these pornstars have the minds of children, yet you hold them fully resposible for their actions. You don't know what abuse they suffered, you don't know their hidden pasts. No you just like to sit back and judge like your the only one who has ever been a victim or taken advantage of, your such a creep.

"Children who are forced to partake in pornography are doing so against their own free will. Get it? FORCED? Alot of pornography is not made against people's will or wishes, you say. Where are you living? Under a rock? There is a ton of pornography out there made of people's own free will and wishes."

Again I will point out Traci Lords, free will vs. being forced? Your narrow mindness is shocking. Adults can be forced, or have the minds of children and manipulated, and children have don't pornography of their own free will, doesn't make it any less wrong. Open your eyes.

"Not every porn star is being manipulated or controlled. What I'm writing about is not pornographic material. I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me when I was a child. PERIOD! For you to think that posting it publicly for others to read is criminal, is, well, RIDICULOUS!"

Oh so now your an expert on pornstars, which ones are in control, how about a list of names of which are in control and which are being manipulated. Boycott all those not in control, do tell, who? come on who? listen them all out, your got the energy.

"It is a crime. Not, IF it's a crime. There is not statue of limitations, pal, so the proof and evidence is still valid."

List which laws they have broken that you have proof of, I'd like to research this "no statue of limitations" bullshit.

"Oh, yeah, it's real criminal of me cause I haven't gotten off my ass and done more. You'll see. You have no clue what I've done, pal."

No I have no clue what you've done, that's the problem missy, more people should be informed of what you've done, but no. Why do you babbling about the same crap over and over but never give the details about the proof and what you've done. Why do I not have a clue what you have done? Share with us all in detail what you've done.

"Oh, please. Stop telling me I'm guilty of something for which I am not. I'm not covering anything up. I think you've read about it here."

Your guilty of not going enough.

"Excuse me, pal, but I'm not responsible for the actions of the perverts against children. They are."

Sure back out and point the finger at someone else. Miss I didn't do anything, that's the problem you don't do anything. Your like a mom who watches her husband abuse their kids for 20 years while she sits back and goes I didn't do anything, he beat me too. Yeah your a grown damn woman your suppose to raise to the occassion, not hide the the details of the truth.

"Sorry, pal, but I didn't allow Springsteen to go on abusing children. Why in the world do you think that I allowed any of the perverts to go free and continue abusing others?"

Because you say you have proof yet he is still making god aweful music, first of all he's has no talent, so I have not doubt he didn't something dirty to get a music contract in the first place. Why don't you take these perverts down TONIGHT, TOMORROW, stop waiting, I'm sick of hearing out him still making records, they all suck, get off your ass and stop him.

"I'll spend my energy as I see fit."

Yeah verbally abusing me, instead of being down the no talent ass bruce, good job I hope your children are proud.

"What do you do to help those who are still being victimized?"

I am not the one with proof. If I had the proof I'd use it, I'd mass email it to everyone, fax it to the world, europe, asia the middle east, all his pictures, everything. I don't have it thought do I? I have no proof because it didn't happen to me. Why are you always diverting the focus of action away from yourself?

"Who the hell are WE? Are you more than one? Split/alters? Oh, yeah, I'm committing a crime. Give me a break, fool!"

"We" the many, the internet, the gobal information superhigh way, the "we's" that are all linked together, I don't ask for it just personally, I'm not selfish, I ask for the proof on behalf of the world!!!!!!!! Yes not coming forward to law enforcement with evidence IT A CRIME!!!!!!! your the fool!!!!! PAL

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 02:18 AM
You been married 26 years? were you still being passed around to all of Bruce's friends after the wedding? If not then you have waited at least 26 years to give them what they have coming.

Look, I'm not going to go over everything I've already written on the Mind Control Within the Music Industry thread for you. Go read it. I didn't wait 26 years to give them what they having coming. Like I said, read the thread. I was traumatized, tortured, and tampered with. I was put to sleep and I awoke shortly after 911 to the reality of my young life. Of course, I wasn't passed around to Springsteen's friends after the wedding and that ended before I was 18 years old when I escaped the cult.

How soon is that? doesn't seem like you've done anything soon enough. Over 20 years have slipped by before you take any action.

Oh, well, pardon me for not acting soon enough on your behalf, pal.

I have not abused anyone, nor have I blamed a child, your a full grown woman, your not a child anymore, so I will not afford you the protection a child deserves.

Excuse me, but you're blaming me for not saving the children of mind control cults and, whether I'm an adult or child, it's the still the same ridiculous accusation, buddy. I don't need your protection.

Your an adult who keeps telling everyone they will get what is coming to them soon, I have proof, yet you lie in wait, while Springsteen is allowed to make his millions, continue his deviant behavior, what your going to take him down now that he's an old has been.

Doesn't matter to me whether he is an old has been or not. I'm not lying in wait, pal. And, quite frankly, it's none of your business how I conduct myself. So, you understand Springsteen is a sexual deviant. On that we can agree.

No I don't find any of your statements comforting or calming. I don't trust your judgement or those you entrust with your evidence.

I could care less if you trust my judgement or those whom I've entrusted with my evidence.

You've already proven yourself to be the kind of person who takes her good sweet 20+ year time to take any action.

Read the thread, pal. Become informed before you comment on me taking my sweet time before I take action. You know not of what you speak.

Not to mention accusing anyone who questions your actions of being a mindcontrol pervert only discredits you, because you steer the focus away from those who actually are.

Sorry, but I don't accuse anyone who questions my actions of being a mind control pervert. Just you. As you sound like one.

That is just irresponsible. You are one of the only people who claims to have damaging evidence against these sickos, yet you go out of your way to make yourself sound like a looney who no one will take serious and believe, and you think I can find that comforting and calming? You spend so much time pointing your condemning finger at innocent people like me that when you finally point it in the right direction it will be like the crying wolf once again. Your a real creep for not holding yourself to a higher standard and not striving to keep yourself credible. I'm sure the children being abused will thank you for pointing your finger at innocent people, instead of getting off your high horse and doing something to stop those who you know are guilty. Shame on you. PAL!!!!!!!!!

Yes. I am the only one who has damning evidence, aren't I? No. I don't sound like a looney, but you do. I'm not looking to comfort or calm you. I was being fecicious. Sorry, but I don't waste much time pointing my finger at anyone. I've already pointed my finger in the right direction. I'm very credible and the creep would be you. Oh, yes. I'm sure the children who are abused think it's all my fault. I'm not pointing fingers at any innocent people. Just the guilty. I like my high horse and you have no clue what I'm doing.

Shame on you, PAL!!!!!!!

My comments are inside the quotes and therefore will not be recognized as a comment and will not post unless I write something outside of the quote.

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 02:44 AM
Yeah go through over 400 pages of posts to find any useful information. You should of Posted the full story in one consolidated section, like oh say the first freaken post. It's like pulling teeth trying to get any straight information out of you. Bit by Bit.

"Sorry, but I don't accuse anyone who questions my actions of being a mind control pervert. Just you. As you sound like one."

Are you seriously denying you have never accused anyone else on these forums of being a mind control pervert? Your so full of shit. Just me huh? Ohhhh I sound like a mind control pervert? Why because I'm advocating for the victims here, yeah great logic there. I'm the pervert because I want to you to take action faster, sure makes me sound like the bad guy. Redirection tactics over and over same o'l story with you, they taught you well how to shift the focus off of yourself. Keep up your game of smoke and mirrors while children suffer. You soooooooooo love all the attention you get, yet when someone asks you some hard hitting questions you do everything in your power to redirect the attention, very smooth. Your as sly as a used car salesmen. Just hurry up and bring that old fart no talent ass bruce down so the public is not subjected to another one of his crappy albums.

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Yeah go through over 400 pages of posts to find any useful information. You should of Posted the full story in one consolidated section, like oh say the first freaken post. It's like pulling teeth trying to get any straight information out of you. Bit by Bit.

There's plenty of useful information contained in the 400 plus pages. Sorry if it's not to your liking, but I didn't start the thread to satisfy you. Keep in mind, that I don't have to tell you anything. If it's like pulling teeth, you might as well save yourself the grief.

"Sorry, but I don't accuse anyone who questions my actions of being a mind control pervert. Just you. As you sound like one."

Are you seriously denying you have never accused anyone else on these forums of being a mind control pervert? Your so full of shit. Just me huh? Ohhhh I sound like a mind control pervert? Why because I'm advocating for the victims here, yeah great logic there. I'm the pervert because I want to you to take action faster, sure makes me sound like the bad guy. Redirection tactics over and over same o'l story with you, they taught you well how to shift the focus off of yourself. Keep up your game of smoke and mirrors while children suffer. You soooooooooo love all the attention you get, yet when someone asks you some hard hitting questions you do everything in your power to redirect the attention, very smooth. Your as sly as a used car salesmen. Just hurry up and bring that old fart no talent ass bruce down so the public is not subjected to another one of his crappy albums.

There have been many mind controllers/handlers on this site and, yes, I've referred to them as such. As far as perverts, not sure. Don't think so. But, COLD and THE DEVIL definitely were.

You're not advocating for the victims, as I was one.

You're suggesting what I write is pornography.

No one tells me when to take action or how fast I should do so, especially an anonymous poster on a internet forum.

It's not my fault children are suffering.

It is the fault of the sadistic pigs.

Again, blame the messenger.

Reverse psychology.

Yes, they did teach me well.

I don't allow anyone to denegrate me.

When they do, such as yourself, I shift the focus where the focus should be.

Onto the abuser.

Blame, game.

I fail to see how I haven't answered your hard hitting questions.

Sly as a fox.

BlueAngel
11-09-2008, 11:13 PM
"Hey, pal."
Real adult of you.

Yes it is and that's about as much respect as you will receive from me.

"Many children aren't paid to be in pornography, you say. EEK!! Really? Some are paid? Yikes! Otherwise, the rest are forced, right?"

Anyone who has taken any kind of formal debating classes will tell you never to make statements with absolutes. There is the possiblity that some children are given money for say their families in 3rd world countries to lure them into agreeing to be in pornography.

Who made a statement with absolutes? I certainly agree that some children ARE FORCED into pornography by their parents and are given money, but that money doesn't remain with the child. It goes to the family; and, therefore, the children are forced to do so for their parent's benefit and if they do so of their own free will, the adults who engage in these acts with them are the criminals.

"Yep. I'm saying pornography is pornography whether you're paid or not. Whether you're a porn star partaking in such of your own free will or a CHILD forced to partake in PORNOGRAPHY against your own free will. However, there's a difference, pal? Do you see the difference betwen a child being forced against their own free will and an adult doing so of their own choosing?"

There have been well documented cases of children agreeing to partake in being filmed doing sexual favors for men, one which famous case was a Russian guy who took money for many rich europeans to make custom kiddy porn sex tapes with torture and even snuffing. So yes some children agree to be in these movies of their own free will, but you know what lady that doesn't fucking count because they arn't mature enough mentally to make those kinds of decisions.

Excuse me, but I've never said that children who agree to partake in being filmed doing sexual favors for men do so of their own free will. I've said those adults who film them are the criminals and not the children.

Like many pornstars who have been abused and are stuck in a childish mental state are not mature enough to consent to such contracts. Oh you doubt me children have agreed to take money to be in porn?

I'm sure there are many porn stars who are stuck in a child like state and are not mature enough to consent to such contracts, but, unfortunately, in that respect, it doesn't matter. It's their age that counts. I never doubted that children have agreed to take money to be in porn. Seems you're making things up as you go along here, pal. I've said, those children who do so are not committing a criminal act. Those adults who intice them with money are the criminals.

History lesson for you, why don't you look up tracilords, entered porn underage with a fake ID at about 15-16, made a lot of money doing it too, but it's still kiddy porn. Oh wow blow your mind that a child would actually lie there way into porn?

Excuse me, again, but why would a fake ID showing that you're 15 or 16 benefit the child? The adult who sees the ID and knows the child is underage, is the criminal.

doesn't matter these pornstars have the minds of children, yet you hold them fully resposible for their actions. You don't know what abuse they suffered, you don't know their hidden pasts. No you just like to sit back and judge like your the only one who has ever been a victim or taken advantage of, your such a creep.

Not every porn star has the mind of a child, pal. Get real. I'm not judging anyone. I said there are porn stars who partake in pornography of their own free will. Let me elaborate. By law, they engage in pornography of their own free will because they are adults. There are children who are lured with money and the adults who partake in these actions with children are the criminals . There are those imprisoned in mind control cults who have no choice but to do as they are told to do.

"Children who are forced to partake in pornography are doing so against their own free will. Get it? FORCED? Alot of pornography is not made against people's will or wishes, you say. Where are you living? Under a rock? There is a ton of pornography out there made of people's own free will and wishes."

Again I will point out Traci Lords, free will vs. being forced? Your narrow mindness is shocking. Adults can be forced, or have the minds of children and manipulated, and children have don't pornography of their own free will, doesn't make it any less wrong. Open your eyes.

I would think that adults who engage in pornography and have the minds of children and are manipulated are under control to a certain degree. However, not all adults who partake in pornography are being manipulated.

"Not every porn star is being manipulated or controlled. What I'm writing about is not pornographic material. I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me when I was a child. PERIOD! For you to think that posting it publicly for others to read is criminal, is, well, RIDICULOUS!"

Oh so now your an expert on pornstars, which ones are in control, how about a list of names of which are in control and which are being manipulated. Boycott all those not in control, do tell, who? come on who? listen them all out, your got the energy.

No. I'm not an expert on porn stars. But, it would stand to reason that not every porn star is being manipulated.

"It is a crime. Not, IF it's a crime. There is not statue of limitations, pal, so the proof and evidence is still valid."

List which laws they have broken that you have proof of, I'd like to research this "no statue of limitations" bullshit.

A statute of limitations does not apply and, are you kidding me? You don't know what laws they have broken?

"Oh, yeah, it's real criminal of me cause I haven't gotten off my ass and done more. You'll see. You have no clue what I've done, pal."

No I have no clue what you've done, that's the problem missy, more people should be informed of what you've done, but no. Why do you babbling about the same crap over and over but never give the details about the proof and what you've done. Why do I not have a clue what you have done? Share with us all in detail what you've done.

Go read the mind control within the music industry thread and stop being lazy. I don't have to share with you or anyone else any other details and I certainly don't have to provide you with proof of anything.

"Oh, please. Stop telling me I'm guilty of something for which I am not. I'm not covering anything up. I think you've read about it here."

Your guilty of not going enough.

I'm guilty of nothing and for you to state that I'm guilty of not going enough is insane. You have no clue what I went through.

I'm certain you are the one who is judging.

"Excuse me, pal, but I'm not responsible for the actions of the perverts against children. They are."

Sure back out and point the finger at someone else. Miss I didn't do anything, that's the problem you don't do anything. Your like a mom who watches her husband abuse their kids for 20 years while she sits back and goes I didn't do anything, he beat me too. Yeah your a grown damn woman your suppose to raise to the occassion, not hide the the details of the truth.

Back out of what? I'm certainly not pointing the finger at anyone else. Oh, stop with accusing me of not doing anything or not doing enough. I did plenty. I'm certainly not responsible for the actions of every pervert in this world. They are responsible for their own actions. Sorry, pal, but your logic is twisted. I escaped a "mind control," trauma-based cult and your accusing me of not doing enough. Don't tell me what kind of a mother I am.

I have risen to the occasion, pal and since I don't know you and you don't know me, you have no clue from what I have risen.

BTW, my life isn't any of your business.

"Sorry, pal, but I didn't allow Springsteen to go on abusing children. Why in the world do you think that I allowed any of the perverts to go free and continue abusing others?"

Because you say you have proof yet he is still making god aweful music, first of all he's has no talent, so I have not doubt he didn't something dirty to get a music contract in the first place. Why don't you take these perverts down TONIGHT, TOMORROW, stop waiting, I'm sick of hearing out him still making records, they all suck, get off your ass and stop him.

I could care less about stopping Springsteen from making music even though it is awful. That wasn't my concern. The proof I provided is in safe hands and safe keeping. My protectors will determine how, when and where to release it. I trust their judgment.

"I'll spend my energy as I see fit."

Yeah verbally abusing me, instead of being down the no talent ass bruce, good job I hope your children are proud.

You would be the one who is verbally abusive and my children are very proud of me.

"What do you do to help those who are still being victimized?"

I am not the one with proof. If I had the proof I'd use it, I'd mass email it to everyone, fax it to the world, europe, asia the middle east, all his pictures, everything. I don't have it thought do I? I have no proof because it didn't happen to me. Why are you always diverting the focus of action away from yourself?

As I said, the evidence rests in the hands of my protectors and they will determine when and where. I trust their judgement. I don't divert. I hae spent several hours responding to your comment of which you should be grateful

"Who the hell are WE? Are you more than one? Split/alters? Oh, yeah, I'm committing a crime. Give me a break, fool!"

"We" the many, the internet, the gobal information superhigh way, the "we's" that are all linked together, I don't ask for it just personally, I'm not selfish, I ask for the proof on behalf of the world!!!!!!!! Yes not coming forward to law enforcement with evidence IT A CRIME!!!!!!! your the fool!!!!! PAL

I wouldn't be where I am today, if I were a fool.

From where does your anger derive itself?