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Emma Smith
10-29-2008, 01:49 PM
Okay, censorship in the US<st1:country-region><st1></st1></st1:country-region> must be at an all time high. Anyone going to see Zack and Miri Make A Porno (http://www.movietrailerlive.com/c2/ct_0004_ZackandMiri2) on October 31?<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDo***ent> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDo***ent> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> <o></o>

I saw an advanced screening and thought it was pretty damn funny. Probably Smith's best in awhile. Anyway, I'm sure you've all heard about the poster being banned in the <st1:country-region><st1>States</st1></st1:country-region> which is totally retarded. Here it is:
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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/cottoncabin/zackandmiri_resized_W406_H600_1-1.jpg
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So is this just a reflection of Puritan mania ala Bush government? Or has it always been this way? Will Obama (if he wins) change the way censorship is utilized? Is the word "porno" really that bad???

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 12:51 AM
Hey look another movie thread by Emma Smith!

Oh Emma.

Anyhoo, I'm a big Kevin Smith fan so I'm going to go see this just to support him. And yes Blue, networks have been purposely changing the title of the movie when they speak about it, just calling it Zack and Miri.

Reminds me of the time (way back when) that a new James Bond movie was coming out and it was called Octopussy. One of the local NY film critics (Gene Shallot) went out of his way to mispronounce this title. It was pretty funny.

Emma Smith
10-30-2008, 07:47 AM
Anyhoo, what authority banned the poster?

Anyone know?


The MPAA (motion picture association of america) was the authority that banned the poster.

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 11:39 AM
I log in and it logs me out in addition to saying that I don't have permission to edit my comment because it logged me out.

OK I'm going to alert the tech guys about this.

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 12:02 PM
>.< yes it happened to me I was just waiting to see if it happened to anyone else.

Slork
10-30-2008, 12:30 PM
The MPAA (motion picture association of america) was the authority that banned the poster.


Yeah, it does seem a bit hypocritical if they were actually the ones that banned it.

justgroovy
10-30-2008, 08:08 PM
Well I'm going to see it tomorrow (good thing I don't live in Utah), I'll let you know how it is Blue, or I won't if you'd rather not know.

And stay away from Clerks II I have a feeling you'd really really hate that movie. :(

Leonardo
10-31-2008, 02:54 PM
Okay, censorship in the US<st1:country-region><st1></st1></st1:country-region> must be at an all time high. Anyone going to see Zack and Miri Make A Porno (http://www.movietrailerlive.com/c2/ct_0004_ZackandMiri2) on October 31?<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDo***ent> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDo***ent> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> <o></o>

I saw an advanced screening and thought it was pretty damn funny. Probably Smith's best in awhile. Anyway, I'm sure you've all heard about the poster being banned in the <st1:country-region><st1>States</st1></st1:country-region> which is totally retarded. Here it is:
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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/cottoncabin/zackandmiri_resized_W406_H600_1-1.jpg
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So is this just a reflection of Puritan mania ala Bush government? Or has it always been this way? Will Obama (if he wins) change the way censorship is utilized? Is the word "porno" really that bad???

The denotative meaning of porno is accurate enough, even if 'porno' is a slang term for two people fucking on camera. But in Monarch, 'porno' is important to affect the desired 'butterfly effect'. People are conditioned to 'porno', so they will watch the word 'porno' wherever it is. Yes, WORDS are everything. The world is controlled by WORDS. WORDS are mental power. And the Illuminati controls the world through psycho-spiritual FORCE of LOGOS. Remember that. Also remember the universe was created by the LOGOS. LOGOS is all powerful to Create or Destroy. In short it is the FORCE. You probably don't understand this because you're dumb and ignorant, Emma. But just read what I've written below and see if it doesn't make sense. The word PORNO really is that bad.

Actually sounds like another case of the Hegelian Dialectic (the devil's game, a Dialectician) at work.

You first must make a Thesis ridiculous however for it for work. So, thus we have Puritanism, an extremely false, legalistic form of Protestant Biblicism, which is actually a modern myth inflated by atheists, satanists, wiccans, or whoever needs an angle to attack 'Judeo-Christianity' will cry 'Puritanism' alot like you're doing right now. Madonna used it successfully so that she could dance around like a little blonde whore and make a ton of money off of a really shallow, talentless musical career. Madonna is using Beelzebub type of magick. The Illuminati use the magick of the Lord of the Flies to create a "Shit Buzz", as we call it. If you want to attrack all the flies and maggots and what not of the world, you first need a big pile of Horse Shit or something like it. A Shit Buzz is good for stirring up the masses. That is why you'll often hear us say things like, The Illuminati are great Shit Stirers. That is actually what they are brewing in their cauldron. The Illuminati need Shit to survive. They feed off of and gain wealth through SHIT BUZZ tactics.

Next, you use such a ridiculous standard to establish the laws, bylaws of a country, even bluelaws, and many of you are well aquanted with the blue laws. Those are laws made by women that actually don't exist but are simply assumed in polite society until a woman wants to use one of them against a man and a woman is the only member of humanity that can successfully use and manipulate bluelaws, except for a politician of course.

Then what you do is create 'liberalism'. And you make 'liberalism' seem 'logical'. You bolster it with false logic, false science, false education, false entertainment, xyz. BUT, and this is important, you must make your liberalism very very VERY close to the actually truth of the matter for it to be adequately effective for deceiving and programing the masses. This way, people will get so tired of the Thesis (Puritanism) that they will in time become conditioned to the Antithesis (Liberalism, SATANISM), and thus will establish a Sinthesis after a few hundred years or so, if your lucky, and you live in a closed universe where you don't have an all powerful God with a sense of humor leading a dislexic named Fra N. into a course of metaphysical training wherein he will break the omega code or something along those lines.

So, yes, its an example of how you could use the Hegelian Dialectic like a magician's trick to slowly condition the masses to accept PORN as the norm and keep them mystically and metaphysically enslaved to the Whore of Babalon and in time Create a Satanic World Empire, if you were one who wanted to pull off such a distraction.

Truth of the matter is, Biblically speaking, pretty much anything goes sexually as long as its holistic, loving and in a state of mariage. A man can lick hers and she can suck his, in fact, if I'm reading Solomon right in the Hebrew, I don't really know of an orafice that is off limits between a man and woman who are married. So, really, if people knew the Bible they would understand that they've been robbing themselves blind by jacking off to porno on the internet all this time to women who don't even exist while they could have been doing all that an more themselves had they gotten maried.

People are stupid, what can I say. But you have to understand that the Illuminati control the airwaves right now, and people believe all that buzz and especially women. Women always 'believe' the most common denominator. If 'most people' are 'believing' or 'doing' are 'saying something' a woman will almost always buy into it. Like you are right now with Puritanism. Satan was the first one who created a Shit Buzz for a woman. Notice that Satan did not tempt the man to eat the forbidden fruit, but the dumb woman, Eve. So women are great tools of Satan and the Illuminati to make noise and create the auraole of an even bigger SHIT BUZZ. Satan did it through the destructive and negative power of LOGOS, and so the Illuminati does today. But it takes millions of stupid, whoreish, worthless, ignorant, duped women to make it happen, women a lot like you.

Thank you.

--Fra N.

P.S. Sticks and Stones can break your bones, but Words can break your soul. Remember.

justgroovy
10-31-2008, 03:31 PM
Oh and by the way . . .

Emma is cheating on us! (http://www.bigscreentalk.com/f2/zack-miri-make-porno-1911.html)

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:25 AM
I already have my own personal theory as to who and what our precious 'Emma' is.

A real bber would have been on my post like a rat on a cheeto. But no, 'Emma' seems to be aloft in the sundry quite a bit and makes her 'circuit' here only once in a while.

However, she does bring up a good social programming issue.

Here's what I see for the future of PORNO PROGRAMMING.

First it was just smut mags, snuff films, and VHS tapes.

Then the advent of cable porn flics.

Next came the great advent of internet porn.

So here's what I figure, they've been trying to warp everyone into sexual deviancy for quite a while now. They've made a ton of money, but that just isn't good enough. Now they are trying to get everyone to 'make' porn in they're own pig pen.

I think I get it. I am supposed to take my 'girlfriend' to see this 'Romantic Comedy', and then like monkey see monkey do, we giggle and giggle and giggle and get really horny and say to one another, Hey 'Mari', why don't WE make a PORNO too and post it on youtube, huh huh, hee hee, har har! Won't that be 'FUN', won't that be 'FUNNY' "PORNO' = 'FUNNY'. 'PORNO' = 'ROMANTIC'. 'PORNO' = 'MONEY'.

Here is an example of illuminati social programming 101.


P.S. Dear 'Emma', is the word Dumb or Ignorant really that bad?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 10:26 AM
Yeah Emma has broke our hearts BUT to his credit at least Emma comes back and pretends to be interested in us. Most site pimpers don't even do that.

I can't wait to see what movie MOVIETRAILERLIVE.COM has in store for us.

Any ideas Emma?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:30 AM
Yeah Emma has broke our hearts BUT to his credit at least Emma comes back and pretends to be interested in us. Most site pimpers don't even do that.

I can't wait to see what movie MOVIETRAILERLIVE.COM has in store for us.

Any ideas Emma?

Dear Mrs. Groovy.

Could you please inform all of us poor Club Conspirators about crowd gather. How many bbs services are we all on now?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:36 AM
Hmmmm, intriguing.

Browsing around crowdgather.com is quite informative and educational.

My, my, my what have we here....

Expanding horizens..

Per Aspera Ad Astra?

Perhaps 1000?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 10:41 AM
Hmmmm, intriguing.

Browsing around crowdgather.com is quite informative and educational.

My, my, my what have we here....

Expanding horizens..

Per Aspera Ad Astra?

Perhaps 1000?

1000? >.< not even close. I think they have around 75-80 that they have acquired, all with varying degrees of activity. Some they have are extremely active, some are somewhat active, some aren't so active at all.

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:43 AM
Emma? Oh, Emma?!

Where art thou, Oh Emma?!

How am I supposed to find my way into the Hotel California, without you as my guiding light, dear?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:44 AM
1000? >.< not even close. I think they have around 75-80 that they have acquired, all with varying degrees of activity. Some they have are extremely active, some are somewhat active, some aren't so active at all.

Yes, but I thought you needed a 1000 points of light? I'm just saying it is something to aim for, right?

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 10:52 AM
I mean, what other place than crowdgather.com can I get my gaming, movie, metal, gardening, sado-masochism and bondage, goth, and movie information all in one convenient marketing and network package?

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 10:53 AM
I don't need 1000 points of light. I'm a community manager with CG, which means I'm a pretty low man on the totem pole.

I think CG has their hands full with the sites they have anyway.

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:02 AM
Never let them make you feel inferior to them, even if you are an humble programmer and forum controller. Remember, you're a star too, and you are a shining point of light.

I think everyone on this forum would be willing to shine with you. Let us shine and twinkle...like....like a candle in the wind.

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:08 AM
lol

Leonardo
11-01-2008, 11:26 AM
lol

That IS funny, groovy!

You know something else funny? PORNO!

That's FUNNY!

That's what I just learned from that new movie ***ming out call Jackoff and Harry make a PORNO.

It's romantic and funny!

So, since you laughed, you must want to be romantic. And if you want to be romantic you must want to make a porno with me! That's hilarious!

I'll just stick my penus in your vagina and we'll film it and put it on Ebay!

That is ROMANTIC and FUNNY!

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure how me lol-ing at

I think everyone on this forum would be willing to shine with you. Let us shine and twinkle...like....like a candle in the wind.

turned us into a possible internet porn tag team.

I hate to crush your dreams of making the big time, but my days of being naked on the internet are WAY over. Sorry.

cg admin
11-01-2008, 04:34 PM
lol no :p

justgroovy
11-01-2008, 11:56 PM
Oh Snap! (http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=802549)

Emma has another online identity! I know it's him because in one of his posts he talks about being from Toronto. Oh Emma/Kristy/other girl name (even though you're a dude), isn't there a better way for you to make some cash? Site pimpers are such lowlives. You are right in there with telemarketers and herpes.

GIVE UP THIS LIFE EMMA!

Emma Smith
11-03-2008, 10:25 AM
LOL! Look, can we just talk about the movie??

justgroovy
11-03-2008, 10:38 AM
LOL! Look, can we just talk about the movie??

Truthfully we are supposed to IP ban sitepimpers/spammers, but I've not done that to you just because you do make the effort to come back and answer in these threads.

I know it will break Leonardo's heart to know you are a 28 year old dude, but I think a little pain now will save him from the lifetime of hurt that comes with unrequited love.

your pal,

justgroovy

PS I give Zack And Miri a 7.5 (with the extra .5 for using the MC Chris classic Fett's Vette in the movie) not as good as Clerks II but it was good.

PPS Sorry BA, please don't be mad at me because I enjoy cringe humor. :(

Emma Smith
11-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Truthfully we are supposed to IP ban sitepimpers/spammers, but I've not done that to you just because you do make the effort to come back and answer in these threads.

I know it will break Leonardo's heart to know you are a 28 year old dude, but I think a little pain now will save him from the lifetime of hurt that comes with unrequited love.

your pal,

justgroovy

PS I give Zack And Miri a 7.5 (with the extra .5 for using the MC Chris classic Fett's Vette in the movie) not as good as Clerks II but it was good.

PPS Sorry BA, please don't be mad at me because I enjoy cringe humor. :(

Ah okay. Thanks! You know I do actively take part in other discussion as well though. Not just movies, although I admit, that is the majority of my posts. I will not bother you too much though

cg admin
11-03-2008, 10:46 AM
It's true, I saw that all the genmay posts were not movie related, YOU LIKE THEM BETTER THAN US!

Mr.NAFTA
11-07-2008, 08:18 PM
Well I don't think the word "porno" is bad, considering I google it at least 10 times a day :P. seriously though no the word is not bad, after all what is a word but a vocalization, and no you can not say a word is bad because of it's denotative meaning, as the denotative meaning of words change greatly over time. so you can say what is bad is the connocative meaning people associate with the word. of course people like blue who have been abuse will have a different connotative meaning of porno, so will some christians, and people who represent other "morality based organizations". So to me no Zack and Miri make a porno isn't a bad title, actually it's not a title at all, it's basically just the exact description of the movie. Personally I think it's worse to edit it and not let people know what they are seeing. What if some couple just sees the picture and think it's a romantic clean cut comedy by the title of Zack and Miri, and have no idea it's a raunchy seth and smith master piece the likes of which many of us know and love. Put porno so anyone who is offended can stay away from not just reading it BUT WATCHING IT. Or how about P-OR-NO, then it's more like a question if you have to use the rest room or not P? or no?. BTW i'm thinking of emailing my buddy smith and saying i got the script for Zack and Miri make a Gothic/Nazi/Satanic/Triple Anal Princess/Two D1ck and a Dildo/Midget on Horseback/Musical-Action-War time Drama-Horror for the NWO movie Staring Jude Law as Seth Rogan.....hmmm can we say BlockBuster...........of course it will be IMAX only pffft expect anything less than porno in 3D?.........point of that last rambling, ya it could of been much worse than just porno, not exactly pushing the bar in my opinion. Plus, it's just a good movie haha.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Well hell, who wants to wait to get married and have a family to have sex? So movies like this lead to more young naive women with low self esteem and a daddy complex who are willing to do anything twice. Can't say I have not reaped the rewards of this agenda desensitization of our sexual inhibitions. All i'm saying is if Kevin Smith is actually secretly helping me get laid through his films, well I got to buy that man a drink. Of course there are different meanings of the word "pornography", is it just nudity? some would say, others would say that can be art, is it two or more people naked together? sexual discriptions? implied penetration? visible penetration? wait Lets google it...."anything that is created to cause sexual excitement or arousel"....so women are your underwear? yes it's pornography, it was created not for support but to cause men's sexual excitement. oh wait are we going to ban victoria secrets?, btw if a someone makes a porno for educational purposes and not to sexually excite or arouse people does that no longer make it pornography? how about if the actors in a porno are extremely ugly and no one was excited, or infact it actually was made to disgust people and turn them away from having any sexual excitement, now that might be a new industry. a company that makes movies with heavy sexual content that is designed to be disgusting would still be pornography by some, but not by all. So in the end the definition is based upon the given "intent". Now I can argue that Blue comes on here to talk in detail about her mindcontrol springstein orgies with the soul purpose to sexual excite various members in the hopes of them privately messaging her, so she can cyber mind control webcam screw these lonely bastards while her husband video tapes the whole thing for their private website, which of course they use to supplement their income. Now Blue if your story gave even one member a chubby while they thought about springstein gimp ball gagging you and donkey punching you in the back of the head while singing Born in the USA, are you a Smut peddler? are you only at fault if you profit from it? is free porn still porn? was your intention to inform or to arouse? maybe you should look at yourself before you hate on good o'l kevin smith.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 09:56 PM
I was simply playing the devil's advocate to your statement about "There isn't a different meaning of the word pornography." I take that stance that it is open to Interpretation. People have the right to express themselves. You express publically events that happened to you in your life. Well some of those events are sexually explict, which can be defined as pornography by some. Just the same as when retired pornstars write their biographies, which of course is going to contain sexual material, and are then labeled pornographic by religious groups of walmart bans the sell of the book. No where is any definition did it say pornography was defined by if the people did it for money or mindcontrol. You want it both ways, but guess what, if you do it and you talk about it, then your guilty of it.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 10:04 PM
"I seriously doubt most people who know about mind control and the traumatization that the victims experienced and, even those who don't, but read my thread, would argue that what I write about my victimization is in the hopes of giving another member a chubby so that they PM me."

Oh so you doubt that sicko people who are into incest don't read incest stories, or join incest survivor groups so that they can get off on the stories of victims. Don't be naive. Oh wait you know this? well then how do you know Bruce isn't tracking you and reading all your posts loving every torrid detail of it, sitting behind his computer on tour remembering the good o'l days? You can't rule that out can you? Can't rule out that Cathy O'Brien's book was picked up by Hilary and she got off on reading out how she was forced to muff dive on her. Just like a serial killer who takes a trophy to relive his kills, everytime you make a post there is the possibility that one of your handlers is using it to get his jollies off. So by many definitions, you are a smut peddler.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 11:14 PM
First off, my names not pal, and i'm in no way your pal. Many children are not paid to be in "child pornography" but it's still pornography, so what your saying pornography is only present when someone is paid and then they are considered a pornstar if they do it willingly for money? Yeah your logic has more holes than swiss cheese. Pornography isn't about free will. Most of it is made against people's will or wishes. It's still pornography. It can be mindcontrol, or financial control, either way they are being manipulated and controlled. What you are writing is pornographic material, you can say it's a crime. The only thing criminal about it is that you constantly post it publicly where others read it. Yes if it's a crime you would get off your ass and do something about it. Oh wait you can't right? because you've been married to your husband for 26 years, so i'm guessing your last abuse was at least that long ago, and since they didn't murder you, well you probably let the statue of limitations run out so even if you have any proof it's useless. Well you know what is criminal that you didn't get off your ass and do more to help those children still involved in the program and spend your time on here arguing with me about kevin smith films. Wow your a real proactive victim/survivor arn't you? If you have knowledge of a crime and evidence and don't come forward your apart of that crime, your just as guilty, your apart of covering it up. Every person who was abused after you, every person who could of been helped, ever person who hasn't recovered from their mindcontrol like you were able to is being victimized and you do what to help them? What are you doing to help them? Posting on here where nothing will ever get done about the problem. Your the sicko, look in the mirror, i'm not the one who was abused and let my abuser go on abusing others so I can sit at home with my family on my computer enjoying my life while others suffer. You got out, you have a responsiblity, and yet you just spend your energy mouthing off to me? You are not a child anymore, your a damn adult, your not a victim anymore your a survivor, your not a slave anymore your free, yet what do you do to help those still being victimize, what are you doing to free those who are still enslaved, what do you do to help those who are still children? Stop ignoring your resposiblities by babbling on about kevin smith to me. You have evidence your keeping, won't give us, pictures you hiding from us, names your still holding back, lady the only crime being commited here is by you. There crimes against you are long passed, but everyday you cover this up your the commiting the crime.

Mr.NAFTA
11-08-2008, 11:25 PM
Everything I said makes perfect sense, you just like to hide behind the veil of being a victim, while you let your victimizers go free and abuse other children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 12:19 AM
You been married 26 years? were you still being passed around to all of Bruce's friends after the wedding? If not then you have waited at least 26 years to give them what they have coming. How soon is that? doesn't seem like you've done anything soon enough. Over 20 years have slipped by before you take any action. I have not abused anyone, nor have I blamed a child, your a full grown woman, your not a child anymore, so I will not afford you the protection a child deserves. Your an adult who keeps telling everyone they will get what is coming to them soon, I have proof, yet you lie in wait, while Springsteen is allowed to make his millions, continue his deviant behavior, what your going to take him down now that he's an old has been. No I don't find any of your statements comforting or calming. I don't trust your judgement or those you entrust with your evidence. You've already proven yourself to be the kind of person who takes her good sweet 20+ year time to take any action. Not to mention accusing anyone who questions your actions of being a mindcontrol pervert only discredits you, because you steer the focus away from those who actually are. That is just irresponsible. You are one of the only people who claims to have damaging evidence against these sickos, yet you go out of your way to make yourself sound like a looney who no one will take serious and believe, and you think I can find that comforting and calming? You spend so much time pointing your condemning finger at innocent people like me that when you finally point it in the right direction it will be like the crying wolf once again. Your a real creep for not holding yourself to a higher standard and not striving to keep yourself credible. I'm sure the children being abused will thank you for pointing your finger at innocent people, instead of getting off your high horse and doing something to stop those who you know are guilty. Shame on you. PAL!!!!!!!!!

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 01:03 AM
"Hey, pal."
Real adult of you.

"Many children aren't paid to be in pornography, you say. EEK!! Really? Some are paid? Yikes! Otherwise, the rest are forced, right?"

Anyone who has taken any kind of formal debating classes will tell you never to make statements with absolutes. There is the possiblity that some children are given money for say their families in 3rd world countries to lure them into agreeing to be in pornography.

"Yep. I'm saying pornography is pornography whether you're paid or not. Whether you're a porn star partaking in such of your own free will or a CHILD forced to partake in PORNOGRAPHY against your own free will. However, there's a difference, pal? Do you see the difference betwen a child being forced against their own free will and an adult doing so of their own choosing?"

There have been well documented cases of children agreeing to partake in being filmed doing sexual favors for men, one which famous case was a Russian guy who took money for many rich europeans to make custom kiddy porn sex tapes with torture and even snuffing. So yes some children agree to be in these movies of their own free will, but you know what lady that doesn't fucking count because they arn't mature enough mentally to make those kinds of decisions. Like many pornstars who have been abused and are stuck in a childish mental state are not mature enough to consent to such contracts. Oh you doubt me children have agreed to take money to be in porn? History lesson for you, why don't you look up tracilords, entered porn underage with a fake ID at about 15-16, made a lot of money doing it too, but it's still kiddy porn. Oh wow blow your mind that a child would actually lie there way into porn? doesn't matter these pornstars have the minds of children, yet you hold them fully resposible for their actions. You don't know what abuse they suffered, you don't know their hidden pasts. No you just like to sit back and judge like your the only one who has ever been a victim or taken advantage of, your such a creep.

"Children who are forced to partake in pornography are doing so against their own free will. Get it? FORCED? Alot of pornography is not made against people's will or wishes, you say. Where are you living? Under a rock? There is a ton of pornography out there made of people's own free will and wishes."

Again I will point out Traci Lords, free will vs. being forced? Your narrow mindness is shocking. Adults can be forced, or have the minds of children and manipulated, and children have don't pornography of their own free will, doesn't make it any less wrong. Open your eyes.

"Not every porn star is being manipulated or controlled. What I'm writing about is not pornographic material. I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me when I was a child. PERIOD! For you to think that posting it publicly for others to read is criminal, is, well, RIDICULOUS!"

Oh so now your an expert on pornstars, which ones are in control, how about a list of names of which are in control and which are being manipulated. Boycott all those not in control, do tell, who? come on who? listen them all out, your got the energy.

"It is a crime. Not, IF it's a crime. There is not statue of limitations, pal, so the proof and evidence is still valid."

List which laws they have broken that you have proof of, I'd like to research this "no statue of limitations" bullshit.

"Oh, yeah, it's real criminal of me cause I haven't gotten off my ass and done more. You'll see. You have no clue what I've done, pal."

No I have no clue what you've done, that's the problem missy, more people should be informed of what you've done, but no. Why do you babbling about the same crap over and over but never give the details about the proof and what you've done. Why do I not have a clue what you have done? Share with us all in detail what you've done.

"Oh, please. Stop telling me I'm guilty of something for which I am not. I'm not covering anything up. I think you've read about it here."

Your guilty of not going enough.

"Excuse me, pal, but I'm not responsible for the actions of the perverts against children. They are."

Sure back out and point the finger at someone else. Miss I didn't do anything, that's the problem you don't do anything. Your like a mom who watches her husband abuse their kids for 20 years while she sits back and goes I didn't do anything, he beat me too. Yeah your a grown damn woman your suppose to raise to the occassion, not hide the the details of the truth.

"Sorry, pal, but I didn't allow Springsteen to go on abusing children. Why in the world do you think that I allowed any of the perverts to go free and continue abusing others?"

Because you say you have proof yet he is still making god aweful music, first of all he's has no talent, so I have not doubt he didn't something dirty to get a music contract in the first place. Why don't you take these perverts down TONIGHT, TOMORROW, stop waiting, I'm sick of hearing out him still making records, they all suck, get off your ass and stop him.

"I'll spend my energy as I see fit."

Yeah verbally abusing me, instead of being down the no talent ass bruce, good job I hope your children are proud.

"What do you do to help those who are still being victimized?"

I am not the one with proof. If I had the proof I'd use it, I'd mass email it to everyone, fax it to the world, europe, asia the middle east, all his pictures, everything. I don't have it thought do I? I have no proof because it didn't happen to me. Why are you always diverting the focus of action away from yourself?

"Who the hell are WE? Are you more than one? Split/alters? Oh, yeah, I'm committing a crime. Give me a break, fool!"

"We" the many, the internet, the gobal information superhigh way, the "we's" that are all linked together, I don't ask for it just personally, I'm not selfish, I ask for the proof on behalf of the world!!!!!!!! Yes not coming forward to law enforcement with evidence IT A CRIME!!!!!!! your the fool!!!!! PAL

Mr.NAFTA
11-09-2008, 01:44 AM
Yeah go through over 400 pages of posts to find any useful information. You should of Posted the full story in one consolidated section, like oh say the first freaken post. It's like pulling teeth trying to get any straight information out of you. Bit by Bit.

"Sorry, but I don't accuse anyone who questions my actions of being a mind control pervert. Just you. As you sound like one."

Are you seriously denying you have never accused anyone else on these forums of being a mind control pervert? Your so full of shit. Just me huh? Ohhhh I sound like a mind control pervert? Why because I'm advocating for the victims here, yeah great logic there. I'm the pervert because I want to you to take action faster, sure makes me sound like the bad guy. Redirection tactics over and over same o'l story with you, they taught you well how to shift the focus off of yourself. Keep up your game of smoke and mirrors while children suffer. You soooooooooo love all the attention you get, yet when someone asks you some hard hitting questions you do everything in your power to redirect the attention, very smooth. Your as sly as a used car salesmen. Just hurry up and bring that old fart no talent ass bruce down so the public is not subjected to another one of his crappy albums.