View Full Version : What are some REALISTIC ways to thwart plans?

01-07-2005, 06:24 AM
If there is anyone in a prime position to do so? What are some ways that we can start chipping away at the bedrock of the NWO?

Surely it would seem that whatever we could do to inconveniently sabotage different elements of every day life for these corporations and government officials would not be scratching the surface at first, but the more people we have shooting proverbial pellets into their plans, the more of the stonework of the NWO would be chipping away at a greater rate. Even a mountain gets worn down by the rain.

I would like only serious ideas on how we can take this New World Order and, by means both legally, and maybe slightly illegal (only as far as criminal mischief, if you are willing to place your freedom on hold for a short time for the cause).

Do whatever you can . . . let the air out of a CEO's tires . . . sugar his gas tank . . . place a dirty phone call from a pay phone and tape it with one of those tapping devices . . . alter a public speech with good audio software and send it to a a news station . . . tell the CEO's spouce thet the CEO is cheating on them (especially if you are the same sex as the CEO) . . . Claim to the media that a senator grabbed your ass (if you're a pretty girl) . . . cut a governour's cable wire leading into his house . . . do a ring and run at your mayor's house . . . break a window on your town hall at 3 am, and RUN FASTER!

Bigger things for a person in a prime position could do would be . . .

Cut building power during a meeting . . . punch out a set of limo tires while one of these CEO's is in it on the way in . . . put a bag of dogshit in a CEO's desk . . . replace the corporate training video with a pornographic film . . . if you are in the corporate environment, download a virus . . . if you are in the IT department, fry a server . . .

During election years, put Mickey Mouse down on the write in . . . Place stickers that say something to the effeect of 'vote for mickey mouse in [whatever year] . . . reduce the size of big government' . . . hang a 'vote for anarchy' banner on the public schools . . . take pictures, and then manipulate the photos of every possible candidate, and email them to everyone you know, or post it here, annonymously, for distribution.

Do something to make life annoying for these individuals . . . make them want to move. Kick them out of your towns and cities the way you would make a regular pervert, thief or other scoundrel move. Tell them you don't want them in your state . . . or better yet, in your country for that matter. . . make these people give up and retire. Then make the next bunch of assholes pay for the life they chose. . . just do it by as legal of means that you can possibly do it.

01-07-2005, 06:48 AM
Me. I outright refuse to pay taxes. Three years now, and I look forward to my day in court, as always. I don't fund terrorism.

I do not own one scrap of insurance fraud - a messed up way to live and, oh well - I still have my dignity. I don't fund fraud.

I square up to whomever the bullshitter, may be, no matter what the circumstance and no matter where I am. Speak the truth, I will, please or offend. I have been banned from two schools and Province House - the MLA gang house, under the "protection of private property" act, for speaking the truth. So be it. It never stopped me from returning to either.

This thought is why I posted democracy and freedom thread. What did the Ukrane do to achieve a democratic election? Is there anything we may model?

I wish people would realise that it only takes so few people to effect so much change and these bullies cower when they are squared up to. I am 5'3" and I stand up to anyone, male or female, black or white, rich or poor. If someone my stature can do what I do, surely there are many things many of us may do to EFFECT CHANGE!

mary XXX

01-07-2005, 07:02 AM
This is an excellent post Darkchilde ... the most

important issue is how do we get out of this

NOW mess ?

Personally I believe raising awareness is

essential because 99 percent of the sheeple don't

even know there is a problem and refuse to even

look into the facts.

This is what I have been doing on a regular basis

for over 2 years.

I email FAMOUS people with NWO information.

Why the stars ?

Because reaching 1 star can have a greater

impact that all my efforts ever could.

Also, I email top news anchors whenever

they provide an email on an issue that

touches the NWO.

So, basically I put my efforts where

I believe the most impact can come from it.

If you listen to CNN this week ... Lou Dobbs

mentioned the fact that over 100 000 people in

the US die from doctor caused mistakes. Well

the figure is actually higher than this ...

interestingly I have been hitting CNN for years on

this issue via email. Did I cause them to take

notice ? I am not sure it was me alone but if

we all did this there will be an impact.

Oh, before this, I was bombarding CNN with the

Mexican border issue and that became Lou Dobbs

mission for a long time. Another coincidence ?

I believe hundreds are doing this same thing

and its having an effect.

01-07-2005, 07:08 AM
We are all little cogs and I bet what you did, Nomad, was just enough to make the difference...

Bravo, bravo.

Encore. Encore. :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

01-07-2005, 07:18 AM
Thanks Mary,

I couldn't believe it when Anderson Cooper did

a whole series on popular conspiracies ... I

would like to think that I helped to make this

come about ... but they whitewashed every single

conspiracy ... do the same I say ... wake up

those that believe most in the system ... the

stars and the news anchors.


01-07-2005, 07:20 AM
Peace DarkChilde,

Here is the only REALISTIC way of defeating the NWO that i know of,

-Believe in God alone, without this first step, you will be vulenrable to fear, intimidation and spiritual slavery.

-Get united with the sincere submitters to God alone around the world, and have no fear of exposing your identity! (There is no anonimity on the web these days).

-Those submitters must get together, God's earth is spacious. The whole Nation states are already controlled, and imposing their dogmas on everybody, there is no way to get around that. Except by emigration, i can think of at least one place that is relatively free. However we are waiting for a Quake from God that will thwart Satan's plans forever, after that God willing we will find a way out.

[4:97] Those whose lives are terminated by the angels, while in a state of wronging their souls, the angels will ask them, "What was the matter with you?" They will say, "We were oppressed on earth." They will say, "Was GOD's earth not spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?" For these, the final abode is Hell, and a miserable destiny.

Muhammad and his few followers were opressed by the Meccan tyrants, when they emigrated to Medina (which marks the start of the Hijri Lunar submitters' calendar) God supported them and increased their numbers, oneday they were able to reenter Mecca and get hold of God's shrine again without one soul being killed!, the Meccans surrendered because of the teremendous unexpected power and numbers of the submitters!

The submitters to God alone fear nothing but God, and that's why their getting united, even a few will be supported by God. Afterall getting killed in freedom, is million times better than getting killed in captivity!

01-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Ahmad, do you have any other contribution other than a religious sermon?

I speak for myself and while you sometimes have an interesting viewpoint - when you turn on the sermon, I don't bother to read and I am sadly just starting not to bother reading what you post, at all, as it has become so repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, repetitive...


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01-07-2005, 07:55 PM

I agree in one aspect of what you say . . . believe and pray to God.

But, to just totally rely on him for everything in unrealistic. I needed money to buy a car, so I can be able to take my wife and child to the doctor just in case I needed to . . . God granted me the ability to buy a car because I went to get a job. If I sat on my ass, would that have made me the money to buy that car?

We have a saying, us Catholics . . . God helps those that help themselves. You have to put forth effort in order for God to assist you in achieving what you need. God will give you assistance, but he will not hand anything to you outight.

So whose to say that while I'm on my knees one night praying, some NWO shithead won't shoot me execution style? Sure, I may go to heaven, but how can I teach my daughter about God if I'm gone? Who will assist my daughter to become a righteous person . . . who does good FOR God, in the name of God?

Getting down on my knees and praying is one of the things I do every night, but it is not the only thing to do. David asked for God to guide his hand true, and then he had to pick up the sling and rock and slay Goliath.

So, please . . . instead of giving the same message of total submission to God, reccomend something we can do to actually FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE DJIN HIDDEN IN OUR GOVERNMENTS. It truly seems that you have a problem in your life, where you are SO laid back that God will take care of it all for you. He will not.

See a big thing in the roman catholic church was to have people sit in church for HOURS on a Sunday, while they compile evidence of their next big witch hunt.

It is not necessary to stay on your knees and pray all day. I believe that all God wants to see from us is that we think about him in our actions. A quick prayer before one drives to the extent of, "Lord, please let me make it home okay. Amen." is all he wants from us. To repeat the same prayers everyday, ie, for the Christian . . . the Our Father . . . I would think for a God that knows all and sees all, the same prayer everyday would be a bore, and therefore ignored . . . we all know the words, and after a time, the same group of words in the same order kinda loses its meaning. Something quick and from the heart . . . something that you TRULY mean is worth more than 10 strings of Rosary Beads.

I think that I have asked for enough help over the years. Sometimes the answer was yes, and sometimes no.

But would you like to really KNOW what total submission and faith to God is . . . going INTO a battle against the Devil, with nothing more than a, "lord guide my hand to be true," and going right into the fight with that prayer in your heart, and a belief that God will give you the right mind to fight through while making the right tactical dicisions, without allowing you to die.

We can battle this God-less government of ours with God on our side, but unless we do something about it ourselves, there will be nothing there for God to help us out with.

Now I understand your faith is that strong . . . but God's creations are the voice through which God speaks . . . we need to carry his words, and if our actions are right, then the true will of God will be done, through us, and by His grace.

Hell, for all we know, God WANTS us to have a central Earth Government . . . but I'm sure that He didn't want it done in this way, and I KNOW that all of the seven deadly sins that this Government represents is not part of His plan either.

So to anyone who TRULY thinks that all they have to do is lie down and do nothing and leave it in His hands . . . do me a BIG favor . . . and say one for me too . . . I'll be too busy trying to CARRY OUT Gods PURPOSE for my being here to put my head down and stick my ass in the air for the rest of my life, just waiting for our problems to correct themselves.

You wanna know who the TRUE sheeple are? They're the ones who are corralled into a church. They're the ones who are TRULY like sheep . . . who do NOTHING while relying on the MASTER to provide them with everything they need, at no cost of their own. Do you know what happens to the sheep? They are tagged and branded, and then shorn of their wool, and killed to be eaten. And they do nothing to prevent their inevitable slaughter by their shepherd.

Don't be a sheep . . . live like ALL of God's creations.

Live with the FIRE of your creative passions, and breate in the name of God.

Live with a WATER-like adaptation, so no matter what vessel your life may seem like, your can adjust easily and make the best of it, due to God's will, because you are His Creation.

Live with and EARTHEN foundation, that nothing but the Lord can crumble your mountainous will to do what's right.

Live with the AIR, the breath of life, in your lungs which your creative fire needs to burn, that your wooden love for life both uses from the fire, and further enriches the fire at the same time.

Live with a WOODEN love for life, and for God, so that your water adaptation can blossom the tree of your soul, so that when your creative fire needs kindling, you have the fuel for it, and so that your Earthen fortitude can be further held in place with the roots of your wisdom of right and wrong. . . that, ironicly that came from the original sin . . . will help you to serve God better anyway.


Love your enemy enough so that when he BEGS for mercy, you can assure that your soul will be saved when you show him mercy, and allow him the rest of his life to see the light, to gain God's will and forgivness for himself. After all, what better way is there to serve God, than by showing your enemies to Him, and then save them from themselves?



01-07-2005, 08:22 PM
DarkChilde, I think I prefer your religion to Ahmad's -- at least until you pass the collection plate.:*)

01-07-2005, 08:36 PM
Thwart plans?
Good ?. 1st off I wouldn't recommend doing anything that you would'nt do to yourself, I know it's tempting to commit some Monkey Wrenching but we have to live in the way we want the world to be. Golden Rule is worthy of effort, at least on behalf of other individuals.

I will not steal from MegaloMart but I would do every else possible to break this company down. The only reason I don't steal from them is cuz I don't want to get caught, I live in Pharoahs world and therefore must proceed with caution and try to remain anonymous. As far as I'm concerned The Golden Rule applies to individuals not Governments or Major Corporations.
Honestly I don't think much can really be done to thwart these devils, writing letters, voting etc... are unfortunatly just a waste of my time and these actions imply I agree with the system.

Mary, Good for you not paying taxes. In the US I believe eventually you'd end up in jail. More power to you but, Good luck with that!

Dark childe, Your thoughts on prayer are generally right on, but I would add, Prayer is for Thanks and Praise for God-Simple as that. And No, Do Not Forgive your enemies, Serious enemies will just be given another chance to commit their crimes on me next or you. Serious crime and corruption cannot be forgiven. You cannot honestly think that Child rapists ever should be forgiven, for instance. Or Corporate raiders will not simply move on to their next victim if they are forgiven and released. I proclaim this line about forgiving our enemies was placed in the Bible by the Devils themselves in order that they may be given a way out. Don't give in to their pleas for mercy because I may be their next victim and I will not forgive you for that mercy.

01-07-2005, 08:40 PM
Bravo! Hooray and the simple truth, at last!!!

God helps those who help themselves.


Stupid is as stupid does... Forest Gump.

If I'm going down , it will be kicking and screaming ALL THE WAY!

God keeps my bum safe. I tell you the truth. I've been around guns and awful things and it is by the grace of God that I sit typing here today.

Fight the good fight is right. And it is a daily battle. To do good. To feel good. To act good. To think good. To be good.

Stand strong and speak the truth, as loudly as possible. Make your voice count. Let God hear you make a stand in his name, for his sake - THE TRUTH! ALL TRUTH IS/FROM/OF GOD. Let God witness your actions.

God helps those who help themselves... Gospel to my ears.

Mary XXX

01-07-2005, 08:50 PM
ahmad.. Despite my put downs.. I think you have a message.. I am in kind of agreement with your message.. Total submission to the will of God, or in your case Allah.. same thing.

Here is my bone of contention.. If a person does not know what the will of God/Allah is.. Are they vacant beings, because they have not focused their prayers, on asking that they walk in the paths laid out by their master God/Allah?..

Only when we are aware, and have trained/disciplined our minds, hearts, and souls to follow in the path of righteousness thru prayer, are we able to submit and make a contribution, thru our submission that will engage us in the fight everlasting for Heaven to be on Earth.. Our submission being meant to mean letting God/Allah (In your religion) taking over our destinies.

To submit without prayer/understanding.. is to surrender.. to evil.

To surrender to our own instincts is to encourage Mammon... We need to be trained in meaningful prayer.

I Guess.

01-07-2005, 09:18 PM
Like I said before . . .

Those who want to just kneel down and pray . . . say a prayer for me as I go into battle with these sons-a-bitches.

And for whoever said that I shouldn't suggest something that I wouldn't do . . . I've done a hell of a lot more than pray in these last few weeks.

I've noticed a lot of people bringing the news of the truth to this forum . . . and I applaud those who have done so. But knowledge cannot be used as power to put this evil into the ground if the power is not put to good use.

And as far as total submission to God . . . submit to God your soul and your deeds . . . and pray that he leads you to do the right things at the right time. Total submission to God doesn't necessarilly mean you sit on your ass. DO SOMETHING! If you feel that writing letters and making phone calls or sending emails or hanging fliers does no good . . . then do something that YOU BELIEVE WILL DO GOOD!

I've seen countless opinions. Some I agree with, some I don't. Its all good. And like I said before . . . if all you want to do is sit, and pray, and do nothing else, that means the NWO will win, because you're doing nothing to stop them. . .

Remember, God gave the earth to Satan so he could tempt us . . . and thereby test us to see if we are worthy, through all the shit, to go to heaven or not. My personal belief . . . if you do not thwart evil, especially if you have the CHANCE . . . then you're, for lack of a better analogy, neither on the light or dark side of the 'force'.

Now this is my OPINION. And I just wanted to clear up what I meant . . . so I'll say it one more time . . .


Lemme tell you who said, "don't suggest what you won't do," what happened to me yesterday.

Yesterday, I stepped in front of a .45 caliber handgun . . . and wether I actually saved the girl from her boyfriend or not, I don't know . . . but the point is, I made SURE she didn't die. I talked the guy down. And I prayed with him while the police were summoned. And as he heard the sirens, he tried to run. Knowing that he had to be removed from the situation in order to further assure that his woman didn't get the brunt of his frustrations, I pistol whipped him. I could have shot the sunuvabitch, but I'm not a murderer. I took his original plan and I thwarted it.

I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything that sends them to prison . . . unless they are willing to make such a public statement of such an extreme level, and if they are willing to go to jail for it . . . and so long as it doesn't mean killing somebody. I used the proverb of David and Goliath, I know, I know . . . I was wrong for putting it as such a literal sense. What I meant was, even one person can make a difference, if they throw the stone and hit the right gear in the machine. If anyone has seen John Grisham's The Rainmaker . . . one person CAN make a difference. Its based on a true story, too. All it takes is an opportunity, and the will to take that opportunity.

Here is another 'proverb' . . .

Once, i ran a red light. The guy behing me was coming in too fast for my own comfort, and so I went through to avoid the accident. Now I'm not sure if he would have hit me or not, but I didn't want to take that chance. Needless to say, I got pulled over. The cop told me that he had no choice but to give me a ticket, because he didn't see the other car clearly enough to call it. I told him that I'd rather get the ticket than, an an alternative, lose my car, my life, or my health. The government would call this acceptable losses . . . I call it preventative disobedience.

This is just my opinion . . . maybe I'm wrong . . .


01-07-2005, 09:28 PM
DC, I take off my hat to your courage and men like you should breed large families to infest the earth with more of your kind: stand - up / do - right men.

God Bless Your cotton socks.


01-07-2005, 10:33 PM
I appreciate the comment mary . . .

however . . .

I'm tearing my hair our with just one kid, if I had a large family . . . well, lets just say I'd rather not think about what could happen . . .

JK . . . trying to lighten the room a bit . . . I sorta sounded like a Swaggart for a while, huh?

01-07-2005, 11:45 PM
I believe the true spirit of the samuria will enable those of us in the know to take out these people that are in the highest positions first...they die just like the rest of us...weapon of choice - sword...it's time for those that want to pray for something to save them to get out of the way for those of us that will do the actual work to bring them down. They all have address and regular routines that could be observed and passed on. I'm not a violent person but if they kill us without any problem then what are waiting for...protest or things like that won't work, they only understand one thing, there evil fucking life and it's time to start fucking it up...just my opinion

01-08-2005, 12:01 AM
I don't agree with murder . . . that would make us just as bad as them

I'm all for sabotage . . . I'm all for minor property damage . . . but murder is an unforgivable sin . . . even if it's your enemy, ESPECIALLY if it's done in cold blood.

Now on the other side of the coin . . . the Requiem, the avenging angel, whatever you want to call him . . . HE gets all the fun in that.

And although I don't believe in murder . . . don't think that it hasnt crossed my mind to make some of these pricks commit self-disembowelment (the term hara-kiri is a derogatory term in Japanese, by the way) while I wait to cut their head off so mercifully . . . but we are not in feudal Japan.

I do have a decent amount of Kung Fu training, including sword training for the diarn-den, single handed broadsword, single sided sai, and LOTS of practice with the ever-concealable wakizashi dagger. . . but this is for tournament and fitness purposes only. The only time I'd ever cut a person is if they went after my wife or daughter.

01-08-2005, 12:13 AM
hey, i'm not talking about murder either just voicing an opinion. more or less just a fantasy thing, but in a few years you might think back and wonder...

01-08-2005, 12:19 AM
oh, by the way, LOVE THE NAME ROTFLMAO

01-08-2005, 02:55 AM
Peace DarkChilde,

I don't know what makes you think i am preaching for passive submission!

It is the very thing i have left Egypt because. Passive submission is when you do nothing and expect God to do it all for you!. The Egyptians do that, as long as they have something to eat, they don't care who is the Captain, or where is the ship heading to.

In my short life (27 years) i have had many chances to passivly submit (Surrender to Satan) but i tried as much as i could to keep my pledge with God and never put something or somebody above the truth.

How many jobs i quit because of that? i really cannot count them!

But i never left a battle without fighting first, i only leave when the battle is rigged, and the majority (except me) are players.

You may have been right to take that impression from my words, perhaps i should clarify some points:

1- Satan wants us to surrender to him and his dogma spiritually first, then comes the physical surrender.

2- His dogma is about (assigning powers to things and people that is independent of God). For example, he may whisper to you at some point that the you cannot afford leaving your job because of the money, thus if you accept this whisper, your center (god) shifts to money, gradually you become more and more stuck in money, and thus Satan binds you in an invisible prison. But if you remembered that your company's policies are against your core values, you will refrain from sharing in their evil, but then they will apply peer pressure on you to get you back to the field, you start resisting, you pray to God to give you a way out, because the whole system is corrupt, and in that you submit to God's will of granting you a way out at the right time he chooses. God says that He doesn't burden any soul beyond its means, God doesn't want you to quit and live a homeless life with your family!, but if you lost this inner spiritual resistance, He will never help you out.

3- So what i wanted to say is: step one is to submit and depend spiritually on God alone. To severe all dependance on anything or anyone else but God alone. To break free of the shackles of enslavment to things and people. As i have said before, Satan's strategies is to push and pull you away from God's straight balanced path into the extremes (of idol-worship), which are (attraction) too much love for a thing or a person (the forbidden tree), or too much hate or fear to a thing or a person. To submit to God alone, means simply to see that all the powers (beauty, skill, knowledge, ..etc) are from God, thus you owe your gratitude to God not to the visible thing or person. Thus you will not be bullied by people (because they have no real power), you will not be a slave to something (alcohol, gambling, soap operas, money, food.etc) or someone (a celebrity, a president, Jesus, Muhammad or the saints).

Your God will be one and only. And you will live in perfect happiness because of the simple realization that only God can harm or benefit.


Step 1 is to submit to God, believe in Him alone and accept His messengers, accept Muhammad as the final prophet (thus accept Quran), and get united with the sincere.

My message is about unity, i was inspired on 12,16,2003 to call the sincere to get united in the United Submitters Nation, without this unity the individual attempts to resist will have no chance to prevail.

[7:158] Say,
"O people, I am GOD's messenger to all of you. To Him belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no god except He. He controls life and death. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messenger (Muhammad), the gentile prophet, who believes in GOD and His words. Follow him, that you may be guided.

Ahmad Nishitoba
God's messenger

01-08-2005, 05:00 AM
Hey, ahmad . . . I have no trouble with the words you quote from the quran . . . but there has to be something there about slaying djin and devil alike. If it's not in the plan to slay them . . . and if their illusions are too broad and spectacular for people to see the truth . . . and if we are unable to open their eyes with word or personal deed . . . then its time to put the devil's plans apart.

We are many and they are few . . . they have toys of their own, and they have an army . . . an army, unfortunately that my uncle is a part of. . . (he's over the pond in that litter box as I type this . . . and I've seen VR images of the land and buildings . . . the place has turned into a real shithole)

My only point was that prayers can only do so much . . . and there must be a time and a place for all things, right? With this given as an axiom . . . what do we do to physically tear down the Satanic Shroud of Lies for those so dazzled by illusion that they can't find the truth? The dark light has people blinded. I am fully aware that all things that glitter are not gold, but the illusion is just so damn good, that I, as intelligent as I am, for an artist, could not see the illusions.

My wife is blinded by this shroud . . . if words are not enough for her to believe, then do I allow her to be condemned and spend my eternity alone? Do I spend my eternity in a state that I hated, and was one of the top ten reasons that I got married in the first place? Do I allow the same illusion that is over my wife's eyes wash over my daughter? Do I allow her to be condemned to suffer with my wife as well?

The time has come and passed that I discovered that I would GLADLY and FREELY condemn my OWN mortal soul to murder those who would hurt my loved ones. I am not trying to be like Christ, either. I don't know if you have kids . . . but I'll TRY to explain how much I love my daughter. . .

If I had to choose between my daughter and my wife in a life or death situation, like a kidnapper . . . I'd run in with a grenade and bury the grenade between myself and the kidnapper.

If my daughter or wife lost her eyesight . . . I would give her mine if the surgery was possible.

If my wife or daughter needed my heart, I'd blow my own head off, so that they would live.

If my wife or daughter was buried in a mountain, I would hammer away, night and day, restless, until I either died, or I got her out, dead or alive.

If the armed conflict hit our (american) soil . . . I would defend it with first my rifle, then from the corpses I left from the enemy.

If GOD HIMSELF told me that the only way my daughter's life could be saved by selling my soul to Satan, I would.

I would take on the whole of hell on my own to assure my family's existence.

If a meteor was travelling toward earth . . . and only a nuke could save the planet, I would GLADLY travel to it MYSELF to press the button that blew the thing up, and me with it.

If the only thing that could save my daughter's life was to get cut up on a meat slicer . . . one strip at a time, feet first, up to my ankles . . . i would endure it.

If I had to slide down a pole with razor wire and land in a pool of rubbing alcohol to save my family's lives . . . I would do so.

If I had to be cooked alive in boiling water, like a lobster . . . to save my family's live's I would do it.

If I had to jump onto a lava stream so my family could use me as a stepping stone to get to safety . . . I would do it.

I would endure any agony, I would face any fear, I would KILL AN ANGEL if I had to, to save my family.

Certainly murdering someone to keep my family safe wouldn't be so bad as all the other agonizing experiences I would volunteer for in order to save my family.

Now if there is ANYONE who thinks that ANYTHING is beyond deed . . . think again. . . I'm not asking for these things of anyone . . . I'm asking that we inconvieneince a few spoiled rich-bitches. I'm asking to make these fuck-heads late for meetings . . . melt mergers . . . sabotage stock trading . . . send a computer virus . . .

You wanna pray . . . pray in the car on the way there. Of course if you are totally submitted to God, then you have nothing to fear but fear alone.

And, ahmad . . . don't think I'm knocking you . . . but sometimes . . . God has nothing to do with it . . . when it comes to the life of your family, and in cold blood you must murder someone . . . God is not on your mind . . . and I said it before, and I'll say it again.

I would gladly give up my eternity to assure that my daughter grows up to be a good woman, and get to heaven. . . cuz if I go through all the damnation hell has to offer, and she ends up next to me, the devil is going to have to get in line to beat her ass.


01-08-2005, 05:50 AM
Peace DarkChilde,

Please reflect on the following verses:

[37:100] "My Lord, grant me righteous children."

[37:101] We gave him good news of a good child.

Satanic Dream*

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."* *37:102 The Most Merciful never advocates evil (7:28). As with Job, Satan claimed that Abraham loved his son too much, and was permitted to put Abraham to that severe test.

[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).

God Intervenes to Save Abraham and Ismail

[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.

[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.

[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.

[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.

[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.

[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.

Exerpt from appendix 9, The authorized english translation of Quran by Rashad Khalifa Ph.D, (The messenger of the covenant):

Abraham's exemplary submission to God is demonstrated by his famous willingness to sacrifice his only son, Ismail, when he thought that that was God's command. As it turns out, such a command was in fact from Satan.
God Never Ordered Abraham to Sacrifice His Son

God is the Most Merciful. He never violates His own law (7:28). Any person who believes that the Most Merciful ordered Abraham to kill his son cannot possibly make it to God's Heaven. Such evil thought about God is grossly blasphemous.
Nowhere in the Quran do we see that God ordered Abraham to kill his son. On the contrary, God intervened to save Abraham and Ismail from Satan's plot (37:107), and He told Abraham: "You believed the dream" (37:105). Undoubtedly, it was a dream inspired by Satan. God's irrevocable law is: "God never advocates sin" (7:28)

DarkChilde, i am not married yet, however i have seen in my life living examples of being "family-centered", i hope you are not one of them.

One of my friends loved his daughter TOO much that he was willing to sell the whole world and God to keep her. I hope you don't take that as a "My daughter vs God" situation, however ...what happened is that he eventually lost his daughter and to this day he is forbidden by law to even see her!

Why did this happen? is God that cruel to deprive a father from his son (Abraham) or daughter (like my friend)?

What happens is, there is a universal law, a deal we made with God, that whatever we idolize (bad or good) we will ultimately lose!

Satan claims that we love things and people too much and put them as our first priority above God and righteosness. So God allows Satan to plot an evil scheme to tempt the person into choosing his idol (family) above God. God allows that in order to test the individual, and Satan's claim.

If the person chose his family, he will end up with Satan in hell, moreover he will suffer the loss of his idol in this life and live in misery!

When it comes to a choice between anything or anyone and God, you should choose God.
And don't worry because God's law is "no soul is burdened beyond its means", so God will never test you beyond your ability.

If you want to save your family, you should put God above them, you should be God-centered, you should love God the most. You should start to see all this love, beauty, and kindness eminating from your family members as coming directly from God, to the extent that losing them would not make you turn on your heels like those who lose their faith in God when a beloved one dies!

[2:165] Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD's retribution is awesome.
[7:189] He created you from one person (Adam). Subsequently, He gives every man a mate to find tranquility with her. She then carries a light load that she can hardly notice. As the load gets heavier, they implore GOD their Lord: "If You give us a good baby, we will be appreciative."

[7:190] But when He gives them a good baby, they turn His gift into an idol that rivals Him. GOD be exalted, far above any partnership.


Don't fall in idolizing your family, it's is an extreme of Satan, if you do you are putting yourself in a very good chance to lose them!

So you have the key to save them, just don't lose sight of God, and keep thanking Him for His valuable gift, and ask for His protection.

[9:24] Proclaim:
"If your parents, your children, your siblings, your spouses, your family, the money you have earned, a business you worry about, and the homes you cherish are more beloved to you than GOD and His messenger, and the striving in His cause, then just wait until GOD brings His judgment." GOD does not guide the wicked people.

01-08-2005, 06:16 AM
Well I'm sorry to have to bring the bible into this but it gives us many clues as to what we can do.

1. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Resistance. Wake more people up. Be fearless.
Stand up to them.

2. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
We're learning more and more and how harmless is a dove? We have to shit on their parade. No bruises no blood just make things difficult for them. Who here ever had a bird shit on them? You have to run home and clean up.

3. Overturn their money tables where the money is wrong.

4. Where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, there He is the midst of them. Pray in groups and ask exactly what you want.

That's all I can think of for now. Anybody else want to add to it? Most of DC's ideas seemed reasonable to me. So long as we don't break the rules.

01-08-2005, 10:03 AM
DC you pain in the ass, you made me cry.

I would also gladly go to hell and back for my children. Imagine how much more God loves us when we realises the depths of the love we hold for our own children. And doesn't that love and protective feeling expand out towards any child? Isn't love grand and ain't God great?

Madcow... I agree

Satan, step back. I live by that one.

Wise and gentle... I sing a song and one day, if I still have not found forgiveness in my heart for that bitch, I will assault her with a few home truths and no doubt that cat will scratch. Then I'll knock her lights out, with pleasure.

I try my best not to draw first blood - I don't start things and I surely know how to end them, with the spoken truth.

For some folks the truth hurts and painful as it may be, the truth has always been kind to me.

A very good Bible bashing friend of mine taught me that money, in itself, is not evil but the love of money is the problem.

Asking God for specifics works in numbers? Experiencing is believing.

Madcow has all the answers and she humbly says that is all she can think of. What a babe!

I would only disagree with rule breaking. I believe if the law is corrupt, it does not apply to me. I'll stand in any court and testify that truth, to my grave.

Mary XXX

01-12-2005, 03:27 AM
These are bad ideas.

You play into their hands.

You may find it personally satisfying but it is rather childlike.

In the U.S you still have the state aparatus available to you to effect change. As do we here in Australia.

People are always suckers for the truth.

Speak the truth. Thats all you have to do.

Focus on the private banking cartel and the oil industry. The two biggest scams we have.

DC, i realise your frustration. In the past I seriously thought about picking up a gun and putting a bullet through John Howards head (P.M of Oz). I could'nt bear the sight of dead Iraqi children.

Simply plug away with the facts.

We cant lose.

Be careful you are not simply indulging your own frustrations that things are not moving at the pace you want.

Infants rage and get angry when the world does not mirror their point of view. This is normal for an infant. It is dangerous for an adult.

Do not become like 'W' and his ilk.

I understand the frustration though.

DC i mean no disrespect.

06-09-2008, 10:42 PM
I say we all just make a list of bad people and kill them... its not like they arent doing the same

03-14-2011, 07:18 PM
:confused: I must say, your post made me laugh. I’m all for resisting, but honestly, you are contributing to the misconception that conspiracy theorists are uneducated crazies who act on brainless paranoia. Chances are, you’re sabotaging all the wrong people! Do you really think your mayor is knowingly involved in a widespread conspiracy to put the whole world under one government? And do you really think that doorbell ditching him will actually help stop the NWO? On the off chance that it actually is NWO conspirators that you have targeted, they would just kill you if they thought your actions actually undermined them. But they would laugh at you first, until it got out of control… If laughing makes you live longer, you’ve probably just extended their lifespans by turning the lights out in their important meetings and thinking you are some kind of important resistance fighter.

I think its safe to assume that the only ones who know are at the very top. The others--like the dentists who adamantly recommend fluoride--are just pawns in the game, who have been deceived themselves. I bet you’ve never done anything to the actual enemy in your entire futile existence. :cool: Lol, just kidding. Please don’t take offense. I like the fact that you have a lot of energy. You should channel it into obtaining evidence.

I am completely open-minded to the NWO conspiracy theories, but my policy is not to act on them until I have solid, irrefutable evidence that the feds are lying point-blank to us about everything, violating people’s rights to the utmost (like assassinating those who speak against them and using force without justification), and that these violations are not isolated incidents involving corrupt individuals in the government, but an integral part of the system‘s operation. If you can prove that, and you know it is no longer a theory, then… Actually, don’t sit back and photoshop their pictures…because such evidence would justify an outright insurgency. Then, they will not be laughing. Then, you will be able to do more than making false claims about them grabbing your bottom.

Destroying their property and getting them in trouble without evidence is like what they do under the Patriot Act. They tap people’s conversations on the slightest of suspicion. Don’t be like them. Don’t you want to be the good guy? The one who is in the right, instead of one who goes around ruining the lives of innocent people without guilt, in the hopes that you might get one or two who are not innocent?

03-15-2011, 04:07 PM
I'm speaking to the OP... Sorry. I'm new to this site.