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<FONT SIZE=6><P ALIGN="CENTER">The 911 Coincidence Guide</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=5>At Last, A Cogent Response to Those Nutty 911 Conspiracy Theories</FONT> </P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>By Jeff Wells
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coincidence911guide15aug04.shtml
August 15, 2004 </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A HREF="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html">http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html</A><BR>
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<FONT SIZE=4><BLOCKQUOTE>Original Title<BR>
The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11 </BLOCKQUOTE>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE>That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the <A HREF="http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/investigative/case1.asp">Nugan Hand Bank</A>, <A HREF="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm">BCCI</A>, <A HREF="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm">Banco Ambrosiano</A>, the <A HREF="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due">P2 Lodge</A>, the <A HREF="http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html">CIA/Mafia</A> anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, <A HREF="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html">Iran/Contra</A> and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to <A HREF="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_money_fountain.htm">rehash all that</A>. That was then and <A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html">this is now</A>! </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned </STRONG>company which<STRONG> provided </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm">electronic security</A><STRONG> to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines </STRONG>means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done "alright" for themselves. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Jonathan Bush’s</STRONG> <A HREF="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.">Riggs Bank</A> has been <STRONG>found guilty of laundering terrorist funds</STRONG> and <STRONG>fined a US-record $25 million</STRONG> must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That George Bush found success as a businessman <STRONG>only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz</STRONG> is just 'one of those things' - one of those crazy things. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies <A HREF="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html">he still is</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>al Qaeda was active in the Balkan</STRONG> conflict, <STRONG>fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999</STRONG>, while the <A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html">US protected its cells</A>, is merely one of history's little <A HREF="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html">aberrations</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>The claims of <A HREF="http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1">Michael Springman</A>,<STRONG> State Department veteran</STRONG> of the Jeddah visa bureau, <STRONG>that the CIA ran the office and </STRONG><A HREF="http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml">issued visas</A><STRONG> to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States</STRONG>, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That one of <A HREF="http://www.complete911timeline.org/">George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001</A>, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That so many <A HREF="http://www.newamericancentury.org/">influential figures</A> in and close to the<A HREF="http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm"> Bush White House</A> had expressed, just <STRONG>a year before the attacks</STRONG>, <STRONG>the need for a </STRONG>"<A HREF="http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759">new Pearl Harbor</A>"<STRONG> before their </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf">militarist ambitions</A><STRONG> could be fulfilled</STRONG>, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the <A HREF="http://www.pnac.info/">right place</A> at the right time. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the company <A HREF="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm">PTECH</A>, founded by a <STRONG>Saudi financier </STRONG>placed on <STRONG>America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001</STRONG>, had <STRONG>access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack</STRONG>, means he must not have been such a threat after all. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That whistleblower <A HREF="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html">Indira Singh</A> was <STRONG>told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities</STRONG>, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the <STRONG>Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase</STRONG> told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions <STRONG>about who supplied her with what information</STRONG>, that "<STRONG>that person should be killed</STRONG>," suggests he should take an anger management seminar. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That o<STRONG>n </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001">May 8, 2001</A><STRONG>, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks </STRONG>even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore <A HREF="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm">implications</A> for America's military, <STRONG>circumventing the established infrastructure</STRONG> and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <STRONG>standing order which covered the </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pdf">shooting down</A><STRONG> of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001</STRONG>, <STRONG>taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense [Donald Rumsfeld]</STRONG>, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly <STRONG>after</STRONG> 9/11. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That in the <STRONG>weeks before 9/11</STRONG>, FBI agent <A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html">Colleen Rowley</A><STRONG> found her investigation of </STRONG><A HREF="http://educate-yourself.org/cn/zacariasmoussaouiprofile13jan05.shtml">Zacarias Moussaoui</A><STRONG> so </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html">perversely thwarted</A> that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml">Dave Frasca</A> of the <STRONG>FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion</STRONG> <STRONG>after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001</STRONG> does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>FBI informant </STRONG><A HREF="http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html">Randy Glass</A><STRONG>,</STRONG> working an undercover sting, <STRONG>was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down</STRONG>, and that his <A HREF="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html">repeated warnings</A> which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>over the summer of 2001 Washington received many </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1375723">urgent, senior-level warnings</A><STRONG> from foreign intelligence agencies and governments</STRONG> - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - <STRONG>of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft</STRONG> and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That<STRONG> </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml">John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July</A><STRONG> 2001 on account of security considerations</STRONG> had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>former lead counse</STRONG>l for the House <A HREF="http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html">David Schippers</A> says <STRONG>he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack </STRONG>– even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=670727528">Garth Nicolson</A> <STRONG>received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community</STRONG> and one from a North African head of state, which included <STRONG>specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council</STRONG> to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That in the <STRONG>months prior to September 11</STRONG>, self-described US intelligence operative <A HREF="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html">Delmart Vreeland</A> <STRONG>sough</STRONG>t, from a Toronto jail cell,<STRONG> to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks</STRONG> is worthless, since Vreeland was a <A HREF="http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one">dubious character</A>, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been <A HREF="http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tacodalogin=no">proven true</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>FBI Special Investigator </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml">Robert Wright</A> claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more <A HREF="http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php">sour grapes</A> from a disgruntled employee. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm">before 9/11</A> demonstrates only the value of<A HREF="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml"> being prepared</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>The suggestion that <STRONG>securing </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html">an oil pipeline</A><STRONG> across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations</STRONG> is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Afghanistan is once again</STRONG> the <STRONG>world’s </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html">principal heroin producer</A> is an unfortunate reality, but to claim that the <A HREF="http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html">CIA is still actively involved</A> in the <STRONG>narcotics trade</STRONG> is to presume <A HREF="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html">bad faith</A> on the part of the agency. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A HREF="http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html">Mahmood Ahmed</A><STRONG>, chief of Pakistan’s ISI</STRONG> [Internal Security], must not have<A HREF="http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?catkey=-2128936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1"> authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta</A><STRONG> days before the attacks,</STRONG> and couldn't have <STRONG>met with senior Washington officials during the week of 9/11</STRONG>, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Rep. Porter Goss </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/76366.php">met with Ahmed the morning of September 11</A> in his capacity as <STRONG>Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence </STRONG>has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Rep. Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' </STRONG><A HREF="http://portergoss.house.gov/">Florida base of operation</A><STRONG>, including their flight schools</STRONG>, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>While it's true that <STRONG>George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office</STRONG>; what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And even though <STRONG>George Bush Sr. and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together</STRONG> at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, doesn't mean a hill of beans as the bin Ladens are a <EM>very </EM>big family. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple.html">FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10</A><STRONG> to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go</STRONG> that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A HREF="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/">Newsweek’s report</A><STRONG> that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns</STRONG> is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1819543">George Bush's telephone logs</A><STRONG> for September 11 do not exist</STRONG> should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.911independentcommission.org/airports31804.html">Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base</A>, that <STRONG>Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School</STRONG>, that <STRONG>Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey</STRONG> merely shows it is <A HREF="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml">a small world</A>, after all. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That<STRONG> </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm">Lt Col Steve Butler</A><STRONG>, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute</STRONG> during Alghamdi's terms, <A HREF="http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm">was disciplined</A><STRONG>, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote</STRONG> <EM>"Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain,"</EM> is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886">Mohammed Atta</A> dressed like a Mafioso, <STRONG>had a stripper girlfriend</STRONG>, <STRONG>smuggled drugs</STRONG>, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, <STRONG>drank to excess and did cocaine</STRONG>, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical <STRONG>fundamentalist Muslim</STRONG> can be. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>43 lbs of heroin was found</STRONG> on board the Lear Jet owned by <A HREF="http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/flightschool/hilliard-bankrolled-911-flight-school-and-rudi-dekkers.txt">Wally Hilliard</A><STRONG>, the owner of Atta’s flight school</STRONG>, just <STRONG>three weeks after Atta enrolled</STRONG> – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1294206">just bad luck</A>. That <STRONG>Hilliard was not charged</STRONG> shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html">Hilliard’s plane</A><STRONG> had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash</STRONG>, that the <STRONG>plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html">CIA drug runner Barry Seal</A>, and that <STRONG>9/11 commissioner </STRONG><A HREF="http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html">Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney</A><STRONG> before </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm">Seal’s murder</A>, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go <A HREF="http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html">to draw sinister conclusions</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A HREF="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html">Reports</A><STRONG> of</STRONG> <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x509119">insider trading on 9/11</A> are false, because <A HREF="http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm">the SEC</A> investigated and found only respectable investors, who will remain nameless, were involved, and no terrorists, so <A HREF="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html">the windfall profit-taking</A> was merely, as ever, coincidental. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x10267#10267">heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks</A> illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77</STRONG>, <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740">was so incompetent</A> he <STRONG>could not fly a Cessna in August</STRONG>, <STRONG>but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon</STRONG>, on the only side of the building that was virtually empty of people and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flightdata.html">none of the flight data recorders</A><STRONG> were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that </STRONG><B><EM>until 9/11</B></EM><STRONG>, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable</STRONG>, shows how there's a first time for everything. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "</STRONG><A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN010912.html">how to fly planes</A><STRONG>" video in his rental car at the airport</STRONG> means he had other things on his mind. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>The mention of <STRONG>Israelis with links to military-intelligence</STRONG> having been<STRONG> </STRONG><A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html">arrested on Sept 11</A><STRONG> videotaping and celebrating the attacks</STRONG>, of an<A HREF="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html"> Israeli espionage ring</A><STRONG> surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers</STRONG>, and of a<STRONG> warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit</STRONG>, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as <A HREF="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C">Ha'aretz</A> and <A HREF="http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html">Forward</A> is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11</STRONG> – one <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401">simulating the crash of a plane into a building</A>; another, <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495">a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings</A> – and <STRONG>took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft </STRONG>and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x631352">National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11</A> is nothing more than bad timing. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That a <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535331">recording made Sept 11</A><STRONG> of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building</STRONG>, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <A HREF="http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816">FBI knew precisely<FONT COLOR="#800000"><EM> which</FONT></EM> Florida flight schools</A><STRONG> to descend upon hours after the attacks</STRONG> should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That a <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886">former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents,</A>" and says about <STRONG>Atta </STRONG>and associates, "<STRONG>Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose,"</STRONG> and was <STRONG>visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence,</STRONG> proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1328855">Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft </A><STRONG>that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th</STRONG> demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>To insinuate evil motive from <A HREF="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=September_11%2C_2001:_Evacuation_ of_Saudi_Nationals">the mercy flights of bin Laden family</A><STRONG> members and Saudi royals out of the country after 9/11</STRONG> shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html">Le Figaro’s report</A><STRONG> in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001</STRONG>, proves again the perfidy of the French. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum =104&topic_id=1719399&mesg_id=1719399">the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility</A><STRONG> for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan</STRONG>, and <STRONG>depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose</STRONG>, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That at the <STRONG>battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him but were forced to stand and watch as </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story=37935">two Russian-made helicopters </A><STRONG>flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan</STRONG>, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the <STRONG>same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1536576#1536694">suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides</A>, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Reports that <STRONG>bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital</STRONG> are simply too incredible to be true. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <A HREF="http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml">White House went on Cipro September 1</A>1 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <STRONG>anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/anth-j23.shtml">Democratic leadership</A> demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <A HREF="http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html">anthrax attacks</A><STRONG> appeared to </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html">silence opponents of the Patriot Act </A>shows only that appearances can be deceiving. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the Ames-strain <STRONG>anthrax was found to have </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml">originated at Fort Detrick</A>, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the <A HREF="http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html">distraction of absurd conspiracy theories</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>Republican guru Grover Norquis</STRONG>t has been found to have <A HREF="http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html">aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror</A><STRONG> to gain access to the Bush White House,</STRONG> and is a <STRONG>founder of the Islamic Institute</STRONG>, which the Treasury Department believes to be a <STRONG>source of funding for al Qaeda</STRONG>, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the <STRONG>Department of Justice consistently chooses to allow accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm">the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody</A> looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That the<A HREF="http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/"> White House balked</A><STRONG> at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html">starved it of funds</A><STRONG> and </STRONG><A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~imfalse/9-11_commission_says.html">stonewalled it</A>, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy, it's all a non issue anyway. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r"><I>he testified</I></A><STRONG> before the the commission as part of the inquiry</STRONG>, shows only an apparent conflict of interest. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean">al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz</A>, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer,</STRONG>" including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an <A HREF="http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltonoctsurprise.htm">October Surprise</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That <STRONG>FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds</STRONG> accuses the <STRONG>agency </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum =102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067">of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department</A>, and claims she <STRONG>witnessed evidence of the </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x655980">semi-official infrastructure</A><STRONG> of </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;f orum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133">money-laundering</A><STRONG> and </STRONG><A HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;topic_id=610235&mesg_id=610235">narcotics trade</A><STRONG> behind the attacks</STRONG>, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>That, when commenting on Edmond's case, <A HREF="http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm">Daniel Ellsberg</A> remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an <A HREF="http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/hamdi_ussc.html">enemy combatant</A>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>It has been known that <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html">governments</A> have permitted terrorist acts against <A HREF="http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html">their own people</A>, and have even themselves been <A HREF="http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/">perpetrators</A> in order to find strategic advantage, but this is <EM>The</EM> United States we're talking about!</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I could go on and on and on, but I trust you get the point which is simply this: </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>1. there are no secrets, <BR>
2. an American government would <EM>never</EM> accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and <BR>
3. conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible. </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Jeff Wells</BLOCKQUOTE>
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8-)

Draken
05-09-2005, 02:14 AM
That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

Which Milosevic in his trial established and proved beyond any doubt, and hence proved he had a thoroughly justified reason to say he was fighting state-sponsored terrorism, courtesy of the KLA in Kosovo with the complete support of the CIA, that threatened Yugoslavia's national security. Actually, the KLA perpetrated terror raids on Serb civilians IN Yugoslavia - they regularly crossed the border illegally from their training camps in the surrounding countries - to provoke Milosevic to respond, which he, like any responsible national leader concerned for the security and integrity of his sovereign country, did.

Draken
05-09-2005, 03:20 AM
Great post by the way.

I love the irony - coincidence theory! :-D 8-)

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 03:23 AM
Yes, a great post. I forgot about this web site.

Great to print out and give to friends.

What about Macedonia? They tried it only a few years ago to stir up trouble their.

Talk about a complient media to report it like they do.

Draken
05-09-2005, 04:14 AM
I don't know about Macedonia, but surely they have no leverage whatsoever, being a poor, former Soviet satellite state, and totally dependent on Western financial aid, of which the result is Mafia government, Soros rule, money laundering from the proceeds of drugs trade, sex trade, arms trade, slave trade.

truebeliever
05-09-2005, 06:37 AM
Around 1998.

I heard the leader their was reasonable and sticking close to Serbia.

Raids coming out of the hills for weeks trying to stir up Macedonia.

05-09-2005, 05:10 PM
Well, you know, they had to have a "terrorist" attack of great magnitude to instill fear, implement the "Patriot Act" and begin their search and seizure measures on the citizen's of this country.

We are know learning how to line up like sheep and be searched at national landmarks, etc.

Privacy invaded heretofore.

The 911 attacks were in the planning stages for decades.

Flying jets via remote control from the ground programmed to hit their target with exact precision and to cause detonation of the bombs planted inside.

Where were the fighter pilots? Grounded!! It was a standdown. All branches of military and government involved to effect such.

Four jumbo jets hijacked, off course with lost communication and no interceptor jets until it was too late.

To "instill fear" and pretend to be our protectors.

What a racquet!!!

Jimbo
05-09-2005, 07:56 PM
Well, War Is A Racket: :-o :-o :-o

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/img/bushemp.jpg
Warrior (http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/img/bushemp.jpg)

The Eternal Racket - Of War - by William Marvel
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1033

War Is A Racket - by Bob Anderson
http://www.rense.com/general10/warw.htm

War Is Just A Racket - by General Smedley Butler
http://www.rense.com/general28/warisaRacket.htm

War Is A Racket - On-Line Book - by Major General Smedley Butler
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
8-)

Jimbo
05-10-2005, 05:48 PM
911 An Act Of War ??? :-o :-o :-o

http://www.cuttingedge.org/devface.jpg
911 Attack (http://www.cuttingedge.org/devface.jpg)

An Act Of War – 911 – by Ted Lang - A political analyst and freelance writer.
http://www.rense.com/general65/act.htm
8-)

05-11-2005, 05:03 PM
Did you notice how quickly fighter jets were scrambled today when a small aircraft came close to the White House?

They also fired warning shots!!

Too bad they couldn't have done the same when four jumbo jets were off course with lost communication on 911.

Was a stand down ordered? I believe so!! All branches of military and government were working together on that day to affect such and allow those planes to continue on their deadly course.

thokhanCep
05-11-2005, 11:49 PM
Hey BlueAngel
It was about a minute before the Cessna had F-Whatevers in the sky ... But of course Norad wasn't running multiple Cessna hi jack drills that day ... cause you know ... thats a once in a life time "conspiracy" or coincidence.

NWO is full of plans .. and misstakes
They have their heads too far up their own assholes and are getting quite sloppy.

Sometimes I wonder if they blackmail eachother for more stock in slave ship earth??

For instance Bush goes to war in Iraq ... large amounts of money were made and owed by Saddam and funneled into Germany and France .. The oil game mostly .. weapons too....
BUT
When in the UN these two countries where crying and whining like they just got their lunch money stolen.

I figure if you know all about the conspiracies and truths and happen to be a major player... money is but a game
A way to have a say on where the cattle go for the next few years.

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 01:13 AM
On 911 We Had No Reaction & On 511 We Had An Over-Reaction ??? :-o :-o :-o

What The Hell Is Going On?

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF30D.jpg
Tom Ridge (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF30D.jpg)

511 Over-Reaction ? Mocked-Terrorist Raid? Or Planned Event?

Errant Flight Prompts Capital Evacuations
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=1&u=/ap/20050512/ap_on_go_pr_wh/capital_alert

Democrats Asking About A Memo Leaked On Iraq’s Faked WMD Evidence 3 Years Too Late?

Intelligence & Facts Were Being Fixed Around The Policy
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html

Now “Tom Ridge” Blows The Whistle On Faked Homeland Security Alert Levels?

US Terror Alerts Were Used As Electoral Weapons
http://www.rense.com/general65/elec.htm

Tom Ridge Confesses Terror Alerts Were Bogus
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=2173

Are They Pulling The Plug On Bush & Now Everybody Is Jumping Ship? Is The Experiment Over? What Has Gone Wrong?

8-)

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 11:56 AM
Stand-Down Orders – :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel, here are a couple of good links on the subject…

Stand Down
http://www.standdown.net/

Standing Orders & Changing The Rules Of Engagement
http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen09.html
8-)

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 08:22 PM
America Stands Down - :-o :-o :-o

Re: Saddam and the US - Post #30
Hostile Takeover While Standing-Down ???
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=797&start=20
8-)

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 08:26 PM
The Truth Is Coming Out Of The Rubble - :-o :-o :-o

Letter To Congress - by The 911 Truth Movement
"Particularly addressing the 89 Congressmen, calling on George Bush to answer questions about the secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq."
http://www.georgewashington.blogspot.com/

Reference:

Bush Asked To Explain UK War Memo
“89 Democratic Members of the U.S. Congress ask Bush for an explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo
8-)

05-13-2005, 10:35 AM
Right, JIMBO, they weren't conducting exercises on 511.

Thanks for the links. I won't have time to read them all, but what about the Tom Ridge link!?!

The "terror bar," of course, is nothing but a way for them to exert control over the people through the "fear factor."

As far as the "rogue" CIA, well they will
beef-up intelligence whenever an operation is needed but no real legitimate data exists.

They gave bad intelligence to the President as far as his decision to invade Iraq, but it was sold to the people as reliable.

To date, there are no WMD's, Saddam was not an imminent threat of danger to America and Hussein did not harbor Al Qaeda.

The intelligence was BAD.

Even if he did harbor Al Qaeda, he may have been harboring them for Osama bin Laden, a CIA operative.

Funny, the guy is found hiding in a fox hole. Yeah, right?

And, Osama, the guy we really need to catch, is traveling around with a dialysis machine for almost four years now and sending us tapes once in a while to keep the fear factor in place. Damn, he just keeps escaping us.

You know, as long as he's out there, the people will fear him, so they'll keep him out there. He's probably in a safe-house somewhere being cared for by the fascist pigs in this country who use him to do their dirty work for them. The real extremists.

The CIA; however, gave the President some good intelligence regarding the 911 attacks before they happened and he ignored it.

Our President ignored good intelligence and acted on bad intelligence and now thousands of men, women and children are dead and dying, losing limbs and will suffer for the rest of their lives.

Thousands of American soldiers behind closed hospital doors in Germany and the press isn't allowed in.

Jimbo
05-13-2005, 11:27 AM
Symbolic Collapse, Followed By, The Real Collapse: :-o :-o :-o

The Overthrow Of The American Republic – P74
http://www.rense.com/general65/over74.htm
8-)

Jimbo
05-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Just Chatting – :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel, we all read the on-line documentaries detailing the fact that there were no links, no WMDs, no smoking anything, except opium in Afghanistan, but yet the agencies were told to manufacture the evidence, otherwise their reports were literally trashed, along w/ the whistle-blowers. Look at all the heads that have resigned, quit, got fired, because of differing opinions, or those journalists that either “committed suicide” or got killed when trying to expose the truth. That’s also mentioned in the letter to the 89 Congressmen, the fact that the Internet community knew all of that which they are now finally, slightly beginning to look at, but 3 years after the fact. That is just too slow for any real effect, if you ask me. It’s nothing but another distraction, another item of hope, that maybe, maybe,... “but, nothing is going to change.”

Also, the 511 incident, what makes you think that it was “real,” specially when it happened exactly at a time when it was needed most to show for one, readiness, & secondly, the fact that all of the other BS, as far as stripping us from our civil liberties, did have a purpose, but a very expensive one. Also, notice how every time they want to change our response & the new laws required, it is always preceded by the “event” that “justifies” the “new rule of law.” Yes it was stupid, but stupid makes it that much more believable. Obviously, it was targeted only for those that needed that extra reassurance they are not being deceived, lied to, or taken for a ride into their own destruction… If anything, it keeps that evaporating (now) minority in the polls for changing their minds & going main-stream w/ the rest of us that are no-longer blind-folded.
8-)

05-13-2005, 12:54 PM
"Controlled Demolition" received the contract to haul away the debris from the Twin Towers, etc.

So strange, but then again, not really, because this happens to me alot. The words "controlled demolition" have been in my diaglogue regarding 911 since it happened.

Did the jets have passengers on board or were they cargo jets?

Wasn't something strapped to the belly, the undersides or nose of the jets that hit the Twin Towers? Missiles perhaps???

If there was a detonation and it was to be caused by the jets hitting their target (not just the Twin Tower) but in the exact spot to cause implosion, perhaps a missile would have been needed to make certain this was accomplished.

Those jets flew like "guided" missiles.

I just know that there couldn't be any risk of survivors so I think the hijacked planes were diverted.

Perhaps, the reason for the drill. I don't know.

Loved ones made calls attesting to a hijacking; but I just believe the jets were unmanned.

Come on, like Condi said, who would have ever thought that terrorists would use jets as missiles!!!

That is exactly how they were used. Like guided missiles. She said so herself.

Okay, I'm rambling!!

Sorry!!

Thinking out loud, maybe!!

Something!!

And, yes, they were able to destroy records and many financial companies in the process except, of course, JP Morgan.

The Bush Crime Family strikes again!!

What will they do next?

05-13-2005, 12:59 PM
As far as 511, sure it could have been staged and that was my point in a way.

How fast they responded for show, I guess.

Sure, Afghanistan has the poppy fields up and growing now that the Taliban are gone.

Who controls the "poppy fields?" CIA I would assume.

And, now that they've captured the drug lord over there certainly they're in a much better position to control them completely.

8-) :-P

05-13-2005, 01:36 PM
Is it unusual that a small aircraft managed to get through without being detected so close to the Capitol?

Seems like somebody wasn't on their toes so that their message could read "we are ready and on alert."

But, come on, they protected the White House and the Senate and couldn't protect us on 911.

I guess some people get it and some people don't. Certainly it's not easy for the sheeple to get their heads around all of this.

Like you said, if they want stricter laws, they have to stage events in order to pass these laws and fool some of the people. I would think that Columbine assisted them in this way as far as needing to disarm us, and imposing "Nazi" like controls on our children within the school system.

As far as blackmail, they've been blackmailing each other for decades. Senate seats for life, move up the ladder. Get them when they're young, like Clinton, for instance, move him up the ranks, send him to Oxford. Find the talented ones, the ones from less fortunate circumstances and control them like a puppet. Clinton certainly wasn't one of the wealthy elitists. However, he is now!

They put Clinton through school and Kerry, face like a horse. Tapped in Yale.

They are puppet masters. But you know that!!

And, don't even tell me that Michael Jackson's Never Land ranch isn't under the control of the government. Poor, sick children. Preying on the less fortunate. Peter Pan is a mind control tool. Child-like state, fairytale world. Just like Jackson. The place is like a compound for goodness sakes.

If they feel they are in jeopardy, they will declare "Martial Law." I believe Bush, Sr. threatned Congress with this when Colby wanted to address the Senate during Iran-Contra and tell them that the "rogue" CIA was out of control.

Colby was fired and Bush, Sr. was put in as CIA chief making it appear that he was independent of the agency; however, from what I hear, he was a deep sleeper since Yale.

Arizona has passed a law to secede from the nation should Martial Law be declared.

05-13-2005, 04:09 PM
So, am I to believe that because NORAD was conducting some test on 911, our country was left "unprotected" and not on alert!!

Gee, lots of thanks to that great "military industrial complex" for keeping us safe on that day. Hope they don't do this too often throughout the year.

What, we're just sitting ducks when they decide to leave our security unattended and conduct a test?

Seriously, what could be a more ridiculous statement?

That Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or the single bullet theory?

And Lee just happens to be KILLED before anyone can question him.

It's all just way to CONVENIENT for them!!!

05-13-2005, 05:12 PM
See, you lose people here when you start talking about missiles hitting the towers and not jets.

There has to be explanation if they were missiles to debunk the fact that jets are clearly shown to have penetrated the towers. Captured live and in replay.

So did they superimpose this?

Can't be.

I saw the television screen on CNBC when they reported that a "small aircraft" hit the first tower.

I witnessed the plane hanging from the tower and there weren't any flames for some time.

Now, when we see the video footage, do we have explosion on impact? If so, then something is amiss.

Again, if those flights did not exist, why did the passenger's loved ones believe those where the flight numbers they were on? Those flight numbers must have been on the ticket. The passengers must have left this information with their families.

Come on!!!

You're saying missiles hit the towers and that the flights never existed.

So, where did four other JUMBO jets go with the passengers who weren't on the non-existent flights that their loves ones thought they boarded.

You need to explain, TB. Otherwise, it's just disinformation and conjecture.

Jimbo
05-14-2005, 01:03 AM
Missiles Hitting The Towers ??? :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel w/o taking any sides or talking in anyone’s behalf, I wrote the following in an attempt to perhaps explain that which you didn’t quite understand & I’m sure neither did other people…

From reading Internet articles written by journalists, investigators, & the like I can summarize a small portion of what I read right after the attacks & up until recently. I am obviously not covering everything, but only a small fraction of some very interesting points. I didn’t make any of these points up, since I gain nothing by writing disinformation. As a matter of fact, the only reason I am writing this, is because I give a shit about this country & where it’s going. Also because it bothers me that w/ all of the knowledge & money that there is in the world, it baffles me that man is still treating its fellow man as a mere animal, & not as a being capable of understanding the concept of God. A concept, real animals will never comprehend.

1) It is obvious that the magnitude of coordination required, so that all planes hijacked reached their destination & accomplish their mission w/o interception of any kind, had to be extensive. This coordination also requires the interaction of many people that are decision makers & are at the controls of the airports, security, & surveillance, as is the case w/ the prompt release of the identities of the 19 (real or made-up) hijackers. This coordination is so extensive that it goes beyond & into the media networks covering the event, & all of the special ops emergency crews that were there before anything happened, such as fema, etc.

2) Anyone in charge of the country, & I mean anyone that really gives a shit, would have jumped right out of their seats & taken charge of the situation then, right then in there, not after the fact, after everything had a chance to occur to completion, & after all related people were evacuated from the country.

3) The fact that we did not do anything at all, as far as letting those planes hit the towers, is mind boggling, unless of course, it was allowed to happen.

4) The fact that both towers & 1 additional building collapsed “demolition” style to the ground is unquestionable.

5) Now, the filming of the event itself has various theories & people very eager & dedicated to finding out discrepancies w/ reality, & therefore a smoking gun. However, not all theories are that far away from each other. For example,

** There were clips showing the additional mysterious device underneath the 2nd plane. On the same type of “film run,” someone showed, by slowing down the film speed, how right before impact, a small flash, & therefore a missile was fired from this device & into the building, which was obviously traveling (after being fired) way faster than the plane. They claim that the reason for this was to cause the “Hollywood” style explosion effects needed for maximum psychological impact.

** Other analysis were made were they claim that given our current level of sophisticated secret technology, some of these plane images were in fact, “holographic” in nature, however, not the explosions themselves (which were real). So what you were actually looking at was in fact not a plane but a “holographic” image projected into space either from the vicinity or from a missile disguising itself as a passenger plane. One interesting aspect of this theory, is the fact that if you look at the slow motion clip of the final moments into the building, you notice how this plane flows through the outside wall of the building w/o causing any damage neither to itself, nor to the outside wall of steel & concrete of the building. It literally looks like if the image was just moving through. The plane did not squash itself like an accordion, the wings never lost their original angles, & nothing flew away from neither the plane nor the building. In fact, there is a moment in the film, for a fraction of a second, when the plane is entirely inside the building & the building looked just as it did before the plane went through, w/o a scratch. It looks more like a “ghost” than a plane crash. Now, if this was not due to the “holographic” theory, it could be explained by the following theory.

** Now this other theory, which has been floating around for while, claims basically that, what you were looking at was basically a real-time “digital video” mix of real-life footage (the burning building w/ smoke & fire) w/ another pre-recorded footage w/ the images of the planes flying through space & into the buildings. By the way this technology is analogous to what a disk jokey does when playing a real-time music mix of 2 separate music CDs w/ their CD mixer, except here we are talking video DVDs instead music CDs. Not rocket science. However the end result is comparable to what we see all the time in our TV screens or at the movies. A believable action / adventure movie, so believable in fact that sometime or another we have caught ourselves “jumping” out of our seats in a movie theater – have you not. And yes, in order for anyone to have been able to pull these tricks, they must have done some previous planing in order to get the angles & the distances figured out in advance, such that the pre-recorded video images were able to be properly mixed w/o loosing proportion or perspective. I just recently listened to a pre-recorded Internet radio-broadcast where the speaker talks about also, some of the “still” photos taken by the news media. He goes into explaining some discrepancies, w/ reality, where if you look at the pictures he specifically dissected, you can’t help it but to notice how, for example, the tilted head of the building has the accompanying smoke at the same angle as if that section of building was standing up & not sideways. In other words, it shows how by defying logic, the photo editor tilted both the building & the smoke, but was unable to tilt the building while allowing the smoke to flow w/ the wind & the rest of the background smoke. That detail there was not properly hidden, & therefore shows tampering.

** Now the obvious question would be, well how come I saw what happened along w/ another millions of people across the globe. Well, to answer that all you have to do is realize that what you saw was exactly what was broadcast by the media, & therefore it was already “edited” by the time you saw it on your TV screen. However, to see the real thing you had to be there. But everyone that was there was actually running away from the area, & chances are that w/ all of the smoke & debris falling you couldn’t see it anyway. The people that were there, were been evacuated, & only those that were actually permitted w/in the perimeter had a close view. Everybody else just probably saw nothing but smoke & fire. And besides, to have seen the actual plane hit, you had to be looking up & ahead of time to the exact place of impact, since that moment is so fast, anyone can miss it. However, none of the video cameras we saw footage from had any problem w/ that. Go figure. That’s the power of television. It can make anything look real…
8-)

truebeliever
05-14-2005, 02:25 AM
For the sake of brevity...

I dont accept all of Holmgrens stuff but his work on the flights "not" existing has been pretty untouchable on the surface...no one has come up with a credible counter argument.

I believe Holmgren is sincere.

I believe 2 aircraft which looked like Boeing 767's (not Jumbo's) crashed into the WTC.

There were NO explosives of ANY kind on the aircraft. There was NO missile and NO pod (come on!) The flash was simply and obviously, the impact of the aluminum body of the aircraft striking the steel of the WTC at 350-400 knots...to even have to point that out! Did they really need any more than a 50 ton aircraft and 20 tons of fuel for effect?

Explosives expand at varying velocities. One thing they ALL have in common is that the effect of a high explosive would be OBVIOUS in the slowly (relative to a high explosive) expanding and burning cloud of jet fuel. It is not. There is not the slightest evidence for explosives on that plane except for VERY excitable imaginations.

An ALCM, possibly 'retouched', hit the Pentagon.

The other flight was shot down.

The passenger lists are RIDICULOUSLY incomlete and filled with errors.

Hard to believe some stuff? I found it hard to believe they could have gotton away with planting explosives in the WTC...but we now know better.

The truth of 9-11? The EXACT truth? A long way off. Keep an open mind but like any front door on a house, feel free to vet the door knockers.

I remember around March 2003 I started looking seriously into the Pentagon crash. I found the MANY eyewitness accounts (of a Boeing 767) a huge stumbling block which to me went against what was obviously the photographic evidence of a Cruise Missile strike combined with other witness talk inside the pentagon (nose cap of aircraft found).

Gerard Holmgren provided some reasonable analysis on many of the people (witnesses) as being directly employed by the defence establishment and establishment news papers plus the contradictory nature of the witness statements.

Dave McGowan finished them off with his great multiple peice expose on the whole she bang.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

I worked out the eye witness statments of a 70 ton, 400knot Boeing flying directly over the heads of some witnesses as obvious bullshit and was one of the first (as far as i can tell) to point it out on as many places and e-mails on the net that i could find.

Ordinary high explosive was used on the upper floors of the WTC and most probably a thermite like compound on the main support beams in the basement.

BTW...with regards that light plane over Washington. This is an ABSOLOUTE insult and slap in the face to EVERYONE with an I.Q slightly above a rabid, flying fruit bat. Gaining a pilots license includes having drummed into your head the protocols of gaining permission to fly over restricted airspace. Light planes also have radio's. So the pilot thought it would be a good idea after 9-11 to do this? A flight instructor? Lord have Mercy! Will the level of their amature escapades EVER rise above George Bush's I.Q?

I feel personally insulted having watched the news report on the telly.

This was a deliberate slap in the face to everyone.

05-14-2005, 01:40 PM
I believe that 911 was an inside job.

I believe a STAND DOWN was ordered.

I believe they needed 911 to move us into World War III, invade Iraq, Patriot Act, National ID Cards, etc., etc., etc.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS:

There are too many theories floating around about what hit the towers.

TB, I thought you said you believed they were missiles.

Others say something strapped under the cargo area.

Others say building was wired to explode.

Others say flights never existed.

And on and on and on and on.

Of course, there were many people involved from the President on down to airport security. The pictures of the hijackers were released almost spontaneously.

There are disinformation agents out there causing the many theories just as with JFK.

We will never make heads or tails out of it because the waters have been muddied unless someone can put all of the pieces together and paint a different picture than the one they have told US with evidence that refutes their version of the events on that day.

All we KNOW, those who believe it was deliberately planned, orchestrated by the American government, was that THEY did not protect the American people on that day whether NORAD was conducting an exercise or not, is no excuse for grounding our fighter pilots.

We will never get a straight answer from any of them. They wrote the 911 commission report and that is that as far as most Americans are concerned.

Forty years later and the American people are still wondering who really shot JFK. Was our government really involved?

911 will be the same unless EVIDENCE can be found to blow apart what the criminals in the White House have reported to the world.

Otherwise, it's all conjecture and "conspiracy theories."

Too much information, as studied in mind control programs, causes confusion. Or, should I say too much disinformation? Like looking for a needle in a haystack.

So far, not ONE alternate theory with supporting evidence has been presented regarding the government's role in 911. Just a bunch of mish mash.

Most of us who are interested will spend hours upon hours reading and researching.

But, we will most probably never get to the TRUTH!!!

And, if we do, they'll probably make it look like a suicide.

WHO took the video footage of the jets hitting the towers?

Peace,
BlueAngel


:-o

Jimbo
05-14-2005, 03:45 PM
911 Links :-o :-o :-o

American Patriot Friends Network
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm

911 News Headlines & Archives
http://www.september11news.com
8-)

truebeliever
05-14-2005, 09:13 PM
Well, we'll never get to the truth if you expect it to leap out from under the Earth into your jacket pocket. All things of value must be searched for. Nuggets of gold included. I know it's frustrating.

The truth WILL come out. Just dont expect it to come out on the Elite media.

Look at JFK...some polls are showing upwards of %70 of Americans believe he was murdered by forces within the CIA. Despite the ongoing efforts of the Elite media to convince us we're all whacky.

Every day people are waking up. You've woken up? One at a time. I can honestly say i've made 200-300 people seriously think about how they view the world. Of those, maybe 100 grasped the fact that powerful people try to retain control of the world through varying means. And out of the 300 say 20-30 who are (for want of a better term) full blown converts, scurrying about spreading the word.

My friend was broken into. He got an alarm installed. The alarm installer mentioned the war in Iraq was a crock. My friend gave him Mike Rupperts "Truth & Lies Of 9-11"...that guy has already shown it to 10 people who now all have copies. Some of them were taking notes...and on it goes.

I said a "missile" hit the Pentagon. Aircraft hit the towers...or so my eyes tell me.

Forty years later and the American people are still wondering who really shot JFK. Was our government really involved?

911 will be the same unless EVIDENCE can be found to blow apart what the criminals in the White House have reported to the world.

It's but a scant 4 years past the eleventh day of September 2001....and look how far we've come? Thanks to the net...which must be disempowered before they continue on.

You see...it's not ALL dark conspiricy to ALL people. For an awful lot of people including the people behind 9-11, this is all nescessary. That the ONLY way forward as we reach out into the solar system is for a UNIFIED planet under a single rule...all marching in step towards the same goal.

"The masses are stupid and need to be told what to do."

They dumb us down, brainwash us with endless Reality T.V and other superficial shit and then complain the peasants are unruly and stupid. They must "manufacture consent" in the masses while leaving the masses to think they came to the Elite point of view all by themselves.

Essentially, the Elite view is that the vast peasant class do not know whats good for them and dont know danger till it has them by the throat...hence 9-11...as Walter Lipman once wrote.

Many people rationalise 9-11 as done by the government to wake us up to an impending danger that only the Elite understand. All those dead and fallen buildings was unfortunate but nescessary..."one must sometimes do evil to do good."

The all loving Allies in WW2 killed more innocent German and Japanese civilians in their "terror" bombing raids than there were Jews gassed (alledgedly) in the camps...best estimate 1.5 million. How much evil will the Elite do to do good? As usual...it's we peasants who cop the pointy end while the Elite and their minions wring their hands over what hard decisions they must make.

In the end, for alot of people "Benevolent Fascism" works for them. No need to think. Just do as your told and get your brain chip with optional DNA number on forhead. A small price to pay for all that "consumer convienence" and safety from terrorists and above all...UNCERTAINTY.

Human beings HATE uncertainty and DOUBT. At it's root lies the fear of death.

The Elite play on this endlessly with their PROBLEM--->REACTION--->SOLOUTION method.

Dont be to worried about getting the details down. Just wake up your friends and family one at a time.

Ask your friends if they think the government should have the ability to track individual human beings from birth to death at all times? Ask them if any of their wonderful surveillence worked on 9-11? All that technology? Just get people to start thinking and then they will be able to analyse the bullshit for themselves.

WHO took the video footage of the jets hitting the towers?

The first was a French documentary crew making a film about Firemen. Get the their video. Riviting viewing.

God is most gracious to provide the co-incidence of them being their at that particular time for the ONLY footage of the first plane strike.

I dont think they were in on it...but it would not surprise me if the call for the gas leak (which brought them their) was someone in the know.

Did anyone else notice that they had the "Battalion Cheif" with them for a piddly "smell of gas" call?

truebeliever
05-14-2005, 09:32 PM
Jimbo...

One interesting aspect of this theory, is the fact that if you look at the slow motion clip of the final moments into the building, you notice how this plane flows through the outside wall of the building w/o causing any damage neither to itself, nor to the outside wall of steel & concrete of the building. It literally looks like if the image was just moving through. The plane did not squash itself like an accordion, the wings never lost their original angles, & nothing flew away from neither the plane nor the building.

Aircraft are made of lightweight aircraft aluminium.

Aircraft are hollow and extremely lightweight as they are designed to fly through the air.

Though strong in the 'lateral' plane...'bending'...the airframe will simply disintergrate on impact with ANYTHING solid.

The densest part of the aircraft is it's engines.

There was little or no debris ejected 'backwards' because of the initial momentum of the object--->upwards of 400mph. Bits and peices do not simply reverse direction in an instant and go back the other way. They will deflect to a degree but carry on in the same direction. Or else TOTALLY disintergrate.

The WTC was solid...as a rock.

For this same reason...the nice neat holes punched through the Pentagon and the report of the 'intact' nose cone show an obvious missile strike. The nose cone is the DU penetrator warhead. Note the initial explosion...it is a mix of white hot with the dull red of burning jet fuel from the ALCM...the "white hot" is the ignition of the high explosive warhead.

Jimbo
05-14-2005, 10:32 PM
The 911 Smoking Gun – :-o :-o :-o

One-Time GOP Insider Claims 911 Smoking Gun
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/one-time_gop_insider.html

The Zionists Who Orchestrated The 911 Attacks
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2004/05C1-03-19-04-zionists-who-orchestrated-911.html

No Hijackers For 911
http://rense.com/general49/no911.htm

CIA Had Pre 911 Hijacker Details But Failed To Act – BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3516233.stm

120 Israeli Spy Ring Network Operating In US Soil Connected To 911 – AFP
http://www.americanfreepress.net/03_17_02/120_Spies_Deported/120_spies_deported.html

How The 911 Investigation Should Really Be Conducted
http://www.rense.com/general49/dect.htm

While We Continue Being Hypnotized About 911
http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/LeftMediaIconsStillPromoting911ModifiedLimitedHang outLegendByShiuHung.htm

Former German Defense Minister Confirms CIA Involvement in 911 – Alex Jones
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

A Review of 911 Theory - The Official Story & What Really Happened
http://www.media-criticism.com/911_Theory_10_2003.html

Was 911 A Video Movie
http://911hoax.com/Table_Contents.asp
http://911hoax.com

Boeing 767-222 As Melted Butter – Flash Animation (<Stop> & Use <FF> to “single step”)
“Notice how the “right wing” flows into the building w/o damage right after it is completely immersed into the building, & how after the entire plane disappears into the building, at that very moment, there is nothing but shadows & a couple of puffs of smoke…”
http://911hoax.com/gBoeingButter.asp?intPage=8&PageNum=8

Silverstein, FDNY Decided To 'Pull WTC 7' An In-Depth Analysis
http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

More Evidence Strongly Indicates Demolition Took Place On 911 & Suggests An Inside Job
http://www.rense.com/general47/pulled.htm

Ok, So The Israeli Spies Turned Out To Be Al-Qaeda - We Knew That - What's New
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/276217.shtml

911 Made Simple
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1167948&t=-1

The Underground 911 Report - So Shocking The Author A Professor Has Been Forced To Remain Anonymous - Must Read
http://www.threeworldwars.com/911

Complete 911 Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

911 Missing Pieces
Truth, Lies, & The 911 Disinformation Campaign
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/122303Kupferberg/122303kupferberg.html

911 Attacks & Cover-Up
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/9-11.htm
8-)

Phi
05-14-2005, 10:58 PM
Hi,

This is my first post here so... :-o

Another reported 'coincidence' that I haven't seen mentioned in this amazing thread, that I think holds a lot of significance is this:

"National Security Advisor Rice and White House spokesman Fleischer lied in saying that nobody had ever conceived of planes being used in this manner"

[http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=rice+nobody+had+ever+conceived+of+planes+being+u sed+in+this+manner]

Before the attack (on March 4th 2001), the pilot episode of 'The Lone Gunmen', a spin off of the hit series 'The X-Files' recreated the scenario of a hijacked commercial airliner being flown into one of the WTC towers by remote control. The episode was actually shown later in Australia, 4 days before 9/11.

What makes it even more creepy, is it's not some terrorist or lone nut doing it in the episode, quote from TvTome - "As the death is investigated, the Gunmen become more and more entangled in a terrorist plot (Scenario 12-D), eventually facing off against a governmental power known as Overlord"

[http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-38/epid-14827/]

Also, of interest, is that one of the shows stars - Dean Haglund, was interviewed by Alex Jones:

"Haglund stated that after years of writing the X-files, the FBI and NASA would approach Chris Carter with plots for stories."

[http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/january2005/120105haglund.htm]

Obviously it's just another one of those uncanny coincidences that it was made by Rupert Murdochs 'Fox', a man who has links with the people who leased and insured the WTC towers.

Jimbo
05-14-2005, 11:05 PM
The Ghost Plane Theory – :-o :-o :-o

Boeing 767-222 As Melted Butter – Flash Animation (<Stop> & Use <FF> to “single step”)
“Notice how the “right wing” flows into the building w/o damage right after it is completely immersed into the building, & how after the entire plane disappears into the building, at that very moment, there is nothing but shadows & a couple of puffs of smoke…”
http://911hoax.com/gBoeingButter.asp?intPage=8&PageNum=8

truebeliever, Ok, after you link into the page, if for some reason the “flash presentation” doesn’t show up & you still have a black screen, hit the <Refresh> button on your IE browser & then hopefully the presentation should appear. Then, hit the <Prev Track> button, all the way left, & that should stop & rewind the clip. Then, by hitting the <Fast Forward> button (second from the right), start counting frames, until you have reached the 44th frame. By frame “37” you should see a flash from the tip of the plane. Continue to frame “44.” At that frame you should notice how the “right-wing” has completely disappeared into the building, (ghost like), & there is nothing, not even a shadow of a “ghost” on that outside wall. Remember also that even though you keep saying you saw it w/ your own eyes, the premise of this ”theory” is the fact that these ”frames were previously edited” & perhaps ”pre-mixed” w/ a footing of the building by some video technician, & then later broadcast on that day (911). So, what we saw “could have been completely fabricated, in a studio-lab, way in advance”. Also the ability to perform a ”live video mix real-time” along w/ the broadcast is a technology that already exists & is in use everyday by the studios.
8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 12:06 AM
The Peak Oil Scam – :-o :-o :-o

Re: The end of oil is closer than you think ??? Think Again !!! – Post #9
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1216&forum=23&post_id=10373
8-)

truebeliever
05-15-2005, 12:34 AM
Thanx JIMBO...i enjoy a good debate.

I use Mozilla Firefox by the way and I have to say without equivocation it 'pisses' all over Explorer.

Loads at 3 times the speed most times as well.

I've been using it for 2 years and love it. After all that! I had to use Exploreer to view the Flash Animation.

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First off, raise your hands if you've ever seen a Boeing 767 fly into a large steel structure?..none...o.k...read a report with pics on what happens to a 767 when it hits a hard structure at 400knots?..none o.k...

At that frame you should notice how the “right-wing” has completely disappeared into the building, (ghost like), & there is nothing, not even a shadow of a “ghost” on that outside wall.

You are viewing an enlarged, poor quality Flash Animation. Taken originally on a basic hand held cam corder.

The object and the various "bits" of that object once it impacts, are moving at approximately 400knots. The camera is recording at 24 frames a second and is missing HEAPS of stuff.

Again...the wings ESPECIALLY, are thin and ONLY strong in the 'lateral' plane...in other words they 'bend' incredibly up and down with great strength but 'shatter' into confetti when impacted as they were.

As a little thought experiment picture the 767 sitting on the gound. Now "fire" an outside beam of the WTC at the 'outer' wing at 400knots...it would, and did, slice through it like butter. Effortlessly.

Have a look at these beams from these three different views...they ar'nt matchsticks and are solid steel.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/impacthole.jpeg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/groundzero2.jpeg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/wtcwoman.jpeg

The pod people et.al say it was ALL a holographic image and explosives inside the building...have a gander at the bent INWARDS steel beams. Must I continue? The Pod people are...tossers. Sorry. I mean no insult to you.

Remember also that even though you keep saying you saw it w/ your own eyes, the premise of this ”theory” is the fact that these ”frames were previously edited” & perhaps ”pre-mixed” w/ a footing of the building by some video technician, & then later broadcast on that day (911). So, what we saw “could have been completely fabricated, in a studio-lab, way in advance”.

Actually my comment was actually more tounge in cheek. In the end thats all we have...the footage, and they could quite frankly do anything they like with it.

I just choose to go with the most reasonable explanation available to us at the time.

It's like the moon landing. I will not skip a beat if it turns out to be faked. But i think...on balance...the evidence is weak and has been thouroughly discredited in most quaters...except the news footage of them at the news conference where they all have expressions worthy of a condemned man on their faces.

...how after the entire plane disappears into the building, at that very moment, there is nothing but shadows & a couple of puffs of smoke…”

Again...it may seem like a long time but it's 24 frames per second converted to 6 frames per second slow mo in a flash format...we are talking split seconds here. The WTC is BIG...it could hold the entire contents easily for that split second before it billows out...remember...this IS importent and has not been amplified enough...jet fuel is just very pure kerosine. The same you put in a kerosine heater but highly refined so to be spotlessly clean.

You can throw a match in jet fuel and it will simply go out as if you put it in water.

A jet engine works by "compressing" fuel and air at enormouse pressures and then "igniting" it...like one great big turbo/supercharger...if you put a highly volitile fuel in their it will pre-ignite and blow the engine up. I'd walk through a pool of Kerosine smoking a pipe for a thousand bucks! Well, maybe not, but i'd do it if my life depended on it quite sure of my safety...no need to tempt fate.

The flash at the nose of the aircraft is either the aircraft skin 'scraping' between two steel beams. Remember, two metal objects are impacting at 400knots. Thats almost the speed of a handgun round.

It may also be simply some part of the electronic avionics going off...it could be a million and one things but people keep insisting..."look, look pods and missiles"...fuck! Ridiculous. Honestly...ridiculous...based on the evidence offered.

As a side note...note the two pics here of the Pentagon impact...see the difference re: white hot flash of high explosive followed by left over fuel ignition. Compare it to pics of the WTC where there was NO explosive...High explosives generate intense heat (thousands of degrees) and pressure for a split second.
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/cctv2.jpeg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/cctv3.jpeg

Heres a pic comparing a ALCM to a 767...how hard would it be to do one up a little ala: Northwoods document? Combined with high speed and low altitude? Who could tell and you might just survive it going over your head.
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/cruise.jpg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/pentagon11.jpeg

I dont want to suggest i'm %100 right but i have to confess the arguments for alot of this stuff is easily explained by a more 'reasonable' explanation.

However! I am only after the truth so please keep posting...i'm sure we can both learn something. In the end we can agree to disagree or agree.

Best Jimbo

truebeliever
05-15-2005, 12:48 AM
G'Day PHI,

Thats an interesting name...where does it come from?

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 08:52 AM
Commentary By Retired US Army Colonel Donn de Grand Pré – :-o :-o :-o

The Enemy Is Inside The Gates - Seeking Ultimate Destruction Of All National Sovereignty & Establishment Of A Global Government
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/engt.htm
8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 09:47 AM
Can We Save America ? :-o :-o :-o

America Can Be Saved – by Ted Lang – a political analyst and freelance writer.
http://www.rense.com/general65/saved.htm

An Act Of War – 911 – by Ted Lang
http://www.rense.com/general65/act.htm
http://www.etherzone.com/2005/lang051205.shtml

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P1: The 911 Commission – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120404Schwarz/120404schwarz.html

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P2: 911 Commission & Bridas – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121004Schwarz/121004schwarz.html

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P3: 911 Served A Multitude Of Purposes – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121704Schwarz/121704schwarz.html

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P4: More Reasons To Keep From A Real 911 Investigation – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/011405Schwarz/011405schwarz.html

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P5: More 911 Discrepancies – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/020205Schwarz/020205schwarz.html

Pop Goes The Bush Mythology Bubble – P6: Led By Clowns, Liars, & Frauds – By Karl W. B. Schwarz
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/021205Schwarz/021205schwarz.html

"One-Way Ticket To Crawford, Texas" - by Karl W. B. Schwarz - Oil, The Dollar, & Current Wars - Power Point Presentation -- Must Read !!!
http://www.summeroftruth.org/images/karl_schwarz.ppt (Power Point Presentation)
http://www.karlschwarz.com/store.html (Book)

Karl W. B. Schwarz
CEO - Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC & I-nets Security Systems
http://www.karlschwarz.com

8-)

truebeliever
05-15-2005, 09:57 AM
Btw...just to put it down...the Pentagon fuel explosion does seem a little large for the left over fuel of a ALCM.

Hmmm...the truth....ever elusive.

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 11:45 AM
Illuminati “New World Order" Card Game ??? :-o :-o :-o

http://www.cuttingedge.org/Terrorist_nuke.jpg
NWO Game – Power Card (http://www.cuttingedge.org/Terrorist_nuke.jpg)

Proof Of Illuminati 911 Attack Plan Depicted In A 1995 Card Game – "Illuminati New World Order" Game – Must Read !!!
“How did he know also the correct plan in the near future? Why do his cards predict the appearance of Antichrist and the Rapture as the last two events of the Illuminati Plan?”
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm

http://www.cuttingedge.org/pentagon.jpg
NWO Game – Card #6 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/pentagon.jpg)

8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 01:17 PM
Star Wars Trilogy ??? :-o :-o :-o

'Star Wars' Raises Questions On US Policy - The Parallels Between Vietnam & Iraq Are Unbelievable
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=762&e=1&u=/ap/20050515/ap_en_mo/cannes_star_wars

8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 02:00 PM
"Star Wars" Parallels w/ The Evil Empire :-o :-o :-o

Star Wars - Fact Not Fiction - by JAH
http://i.am/jah/starwar.htm

The Way Home Or Face The Fire
http://jahtruth.net//wayintro.htm (Introduction)
http://jahtruth.net//twh.pdf (Book in PDF Format)

8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 06:56 PM
More 911 Video Evidence – :-o :-o :-o

http://www.rense.com/general65/CBC1cut_1.jpg
WTC 2nd Tower Hit (http://www.rense.com/general65/CBC1cut_1.jpg)

CBC 911 Video Secrets Revealed
http://www.rense.com/general65/911b.htm

8-)

Jimbo
05-15-2005, 08:01 PM
911 Pod Missile Theory – :-o :-o :-o

truebeliever, as far as the “pod missile theory” you can look at the following video clip.

Go into the link http://www.letsroll911.org & then scroll down into the page to about 45% or so, right next to the DVD add for “Painful Questions”. The clip has a “Letsroll911.org” signature at the bottom right. This is a “slow motion” angle of the missile firing right before impact. Also the previous to video clips show the same scenario from 2 other differing angles.

NOTE: I’m just exposing these documented perspectives here & don’t necessarily agree or disagree w/ the views presented.

8-)

truebeliever
05-16-2005, 01:14 AM
CBC 911 Video Secrets Revealed
http://www.rense.com/general65/911b.htm

I note that the 3 photo's supposedly showing the "explosion" that proves there was explosives on the plane is grossly over exposed. The initial burst out of the building is dull red from the start...but very white in these exposures.

Also...the little plumes? Is he saying that is part of the explosives aboard the aircraft? They are more likely explosives already placed their or more likely simply "blown out" windows...a rather large aircraft has just ploughed into it.

As for it being a 737...may well be.

Did'nt a news reporter state in a interview that day that he saw it had NO windows?

The engine size looks right for a 737.

Jimbo
05-16-2005, 01:41 AM
911 Pod Missile Theory – :-o :-o :-o

truebeliever, I almost certain they are referring to the mysterious "pod" underneath, on the belly of the aircraft. Which they claim, is a missile launcher of some sort. I do remember reading way back, that the purpose of this missile (according to the writer) was strictly for "effect", to make the explosion that much more "memorable" – for maximum “psychological impact.” If you look towards the end of that page, in the “CBC 911” link, you’ll notice another video still where they point out the “missile” coming right out of the back of the building, & then exploding into that big huge “explosion” we all remember.

Hey, did you get a chance look at the following post?

Re: The 911 Coincidence Guide - Post #39
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1311&start=30

Pretty weird stuff…

8-)

truebeliever
05-16-2005, 02:34 AM
I do remember reading way back, that the purpose of this missile (according to the writer) was strictly for "effect", to make the explosion that much more "memorable" – for maximum “psychological impact.”

I wonder about that. A great big plane full of fuel would be effect enough for me.

Plus the fact i've already wired the towers for demolition. Why complicate things.

I think much of this stuff is reaching.

Best. Have to dash. But will return

Phi
05-18-2005, 10:42 PM
truebeliever wrote:
G'Day PHI,

Thats an interesting name...where does it come from?

Hi,

Thanks :-)

It comes from the golden ratio (also known as Phi).

Heh, might sound like i'm some frat boy or something I guess with a name like this :-?

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi.html

Jimbo
05-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Saddam’s Regime Change Outlined In PNAC’s Blue-Print – :-o :-o :-o


Saddam’s Regime Change Outlined In PNAC’s Document

“While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'”

“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions." - excerpts from "Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century"”
http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

<img src=http://www.apfn.org/apfn/midwayP.jpg height=278 width=350>
Midway (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/midwayP.jpg)

The “Pearl Harbor” Deception
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm

Rebuilding Americas Defenses - PNAC.pdf - The Original Document (.pdf file - requires Adobe Acrobat Reader)
"Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S national security strategy, military missions and defense budgets. The United States cannot simply declare a "strategic pause" while experimenting with new technologies and operational concepts. Nor can it choose to pursue a transformation strategy that would decouple American and allied interests. A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions." - excerpts from "Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century"
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

A PNAC Primer
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3544.htm

8-)

05-26-2005, 06:17 PM

Jimbo
06-03-2005, 02:33 PM
If 911 Was True (What We Know Of 911) ??? – :-o :-o :-o

Farenheit 2777
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=13&articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-128A-9E1583414B7F0000

If the “official story” was really “true,” as already claimed, then any other evidence should in fact, reconfirm the “official story,” & not “put is in question.” However, the fact that many individual pieces of evidence do question the released version of “what really happened”, then a true “scientific method” w/o reasonable doubt would show otherwise…

Regardless of what his point of view “really” is, the author did a great job outlining the (contrary to the official story) conspiracy theories, over the Internet, showing how 911 was our “new manufactured Pearl Harbor.” You must admit, those facts were well presented & I think w/o distortion, added.

I think the article addresses 2 separate audiences. The one “still” looking for the “truth,” & those already convinced or wan’na be convinced, for lack of any personal mental involvement.

I can’t say that I am convinced, he has already taken a side.

Debunking Of 911 Skeptics
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/sciam_reply.htm

8-)

Jimbo
06-04-2005, 12:42 PM
London’s 911 Speaking Tour – :-o :-o :-o

London’s 911 Speaking Tour

5% still believe that Osama bin Laden did the attacks as stated.
12% believe that the US government was basically incompetent.
27% believe that the US government did know, but allowed the attacks to proceed.
56% believe that the attacks were orchestrated at the highest levels of the US government
(There is still hope…)
http://www.rense.com/general65/wahh.htm

8-)

06-05-2005, 09:33 PM
OMG!! 56%

Yippeeee!!!

It's called a STAND-DOWN people!!

There is still hope, because, you see, by keeping Bin Laden in a safe house and providing him the opportunity to record tapes only proves that he is considered an asset by the corrupt/rogue CIA that controls our country. He is their bogeyman!!

He is the most WANTED man in the world, yet, our government chose to wage a war in Iraq!!!

Of course, the poppy fields are up and running again in Afghanistan now that the CIA has taken control and ousted the Taliban.

Jimbo
06-10-2005, 09:06 PM
Ignoring The Incriminating Evidence – :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://images.scotsman.com/2004/02/04/0402wmdin.jpg>
Freedom Fighter (http://images.scotsman.com/2004/02/04/0402wmdin.jpg)

British Officers Knew On Eve Of War That Iraq Had No WMDs
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=518&id=136082004

Errors & Omissions In 911 Commission Report
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2481

8-)

Jimbo
06-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Are We All Going Over The Cliff Together? – :-o :-o :-o

Nearly 60% Americans Losing Patience On Iraq
"Of the 42% who say the war was worth it, the top reasons cited are the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, the need to stop terrorism and a desire to end the oppression of the Iraqi people."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-06-12-poll_x.htm

Interesting to note here, 42% is the percentage of the US population that have been literally & easily deceived. Since “most of us” know,…

–– Iraq had nothing to do w/ 911 & had no WMDs

–– The true source of terrorism is questionable, provided the fact that the PNAC manifesto clearly outlines the means by which to attain global dominance, at any cost, including staged terror attacks, such as a "new Pearl Harbor," which is in direct relation to the need for "manufacturing terrorism." No need for global dominance, no need for terrorism.

–– And finally, the desire to end the "oppression of the Iraqi people," now that's an "oxymoron." We are oppressing the Iraqi people by leaps & bounds, & much more than Saddam ever imagined. Now, that brings a new meaning to the phrase, "Who's Bad?"

That 42% is the percent that needs to wake the "hell" up (pronto, Tonto) !!!

8-)

06-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Look, it's not a laughing matter, but PRONTO, TONTO is hehe!!

Anyway, about the 42%, you know, sometimes, I sound like a FREAKIN' broken record and I become quite TIRED of listening to myself repeat the same thing over and over again in hopes I may reach one, two or three people out there who are sleeping at the wheel.

Short of a megaphone and a stage plopped in front of the "you know what," all we can do is keep doing what we're doing!!! until the FOG has lifted!!!

ONWARD!!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Certainly, the people (myself included) are becomming impatient regarding the war and soon their frustration due to the lack of this administration to address their concerns will come front and center!!

It's called HOPE!!

Jimbo
06-14-2005, 08:54 PM
Waking Up The Dead Heads – :-o :-o :-o

Project “PRONTO TONTO” …

8-)

06-15-2005, 10:26 AM
"PRONTO TONTO!!!"

Where's my horse????

Should I ride in like Lady Godiva???

:lol:

Jimbo
06-15-2005, 10:48 AM
Lady Godiva - :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Lady_Godiva_contrast_enhanced.jpg width=600 height=428>
Lady Godiva (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Lady_Godiva_contrast_enhanced.jpg)

Riding like "Lady Godiva"... woh, I could turn into a horse !!!

8-)

06-15-2005, 12:08 PM
Jimbo wrote:
Lady Godiva - :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Lady_Godiva_contrast_enhanced.jpg width=600 height=428>
Lady Godiva (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Lady_Godiva_contrast_enhanced.jpg)

Riding like "Lady Godiva"... woh, I could turn into a horse !!!

8-)


:lol:

Well, as long as THEY haven't succeeded in stripping you of your magical abilities, by all means, turn into a horse and we'll ride in together!!

:lol:

Still trying to wake the DEAD HEADS!!! Something's got to catch their attention!! Maybe that'll do it!!

:lol:

8-) :-( :-P

Jimbo
06-19-2005, 11:44 AM
Keeping The 42% Of American Sleepers In A Coma – :-o :-o :-o

The Self-Delusional Bush Says US Forced To Invade Iraq Because Of 911
http://www.rense.com/general66/pakd.htm

Reference:

Nearly 60% Americans Losing Patience On Iraq
"Of the 42% who say the war was worth it, the top reasons cited are the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, the need to stop terrorism and a desire to end the oppression of the Iraqi people."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-06-12-poll_x.htm

Interesting to note here, 42% is the percentage of the US population that have been literally & easily deceived. Since “most of us” know,…

–– Iraq had nothing to do w/ 911 & had no WMDs

–– The true source of terrorism is questionable, provided the fact that the PNAC manifesto clearly outlines the means by which to attain global dominance, at any cost, including staged terror attacks, such as a "new Pearl Harbor," which is in direct relation to the need for "manufacturing terrorism." No need for global dominance, no need for terrorism.

–– And finally, the desire to end the "oppression of the Iraqi people," now that's an "oxymoron." We are oppressing the Iraqi people by leaps & bounds, & much more than Saddam ever imagined. Now, that brings a new meaning to the phrase, "Who's Bad?"


Treason Is Not Patriotic
http://www.batr.org/gulag/062005.html

8-)

Jimbo
06-19-2005, 06:30 PM
Keep Them Zombies In A Coma – :-o :-o :-o

Keeping that "mantra" going...

Bush Says US Forced To Invade Iraq Because Of 911
http://www.rense.com/general66/pakd.htm

Keeping that 42% of our popullation that have been deceived, ...deceived.

8-)

06-19-2005, 06:41 PM
Treason; betrayal of one's country to an enemy!!

Well, now, that's kind of an oxymoran, too, when applying it to our President because as far as I'm concerned he and the rest of the Skull and Bonesmen, Illuminati, NWO, rogue CIA, Nazi, fascist pigs who control our country are the enemy of the people of the United States in more way than one.

They are "against us and not with us."

They failed to protect us on 911. FAILED, people, FAILED. They arranged for BUSH to be away from the White House, they took control, while he read to elementary school children and the greatest military power in the world was ordered to STANDDOWN!!!

There are three things of which we are certain:

(1) Saddam Hussein did not present an imminent
threat to the United States of America;

(2) He was not in possession of WMD's;

(3) He had no direct link to 911.

These three items are reason enough for the impeachment of our President and his men.

They have invaded a country without reason. They have killed and wounded thousands upon thousands based on LIES. They have bilked the American taxpayers of billions of dollars to finance their war!!!

They are Liars??

Our military's first priority is to protect the people of this country and not to die in wars on distant shores for the power mongers who control the "military industrial" complex for their own monetary and global gain/agenda!!!

Most of them have never served in uniform and their children are exempt. The power brokers, the bankers, the wealthy elitists who use our children as their "killing machines." Who train our children to fight their wars for them!!

It is not difficult to understand that our President lied given all of the evidence that has been presented in direct conflict with the reasons, "beefed up" intelligence (so-called) that our President fed to the world to justify the occupation of Iraq.

The Iraqi people are living in fear and psychologically they will never be the same!! Imagine our country being occuppied and invaded and bombed and under the control of a foreign government. Well, we are almost at that point!! How long before we have suicide bombers driving cars through Starbuck's????

The men in power in this country, many of them, HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE to America. They have allegiance to themselves and their secret society/cult. They wave the flag in our face, but have no desire to keep America and her people free. They desire to enslave all of us. To bring America to her knees. To turn America into a third world country, living in poverty with disease. Walking zombies living in the "dark ages."

Our president betrayed the people of this country. The people he was elected to protect. Our president is killing innocent Americans, Iraqi's and those allies who are fighting this "war on terror" for him.

It is not a "war on terror" due to 911. If it were, the capture of Osama Bin Laden would have been of utmost importance and not the invasion of Iraq.

The time has come for the people of this country who have not been directly affected through the loss or wounding of a loved one, to realize that the war must END!!! You have a vested interest, whether or not someone you know or love has died, has been wounded or is fighting in Iraq now.

As soon as the people become irritated and call for an end to the killing, our government orders the dropping of 500 lb. bombs!!! Like I said earlier, in otherwords, "STFU."

How much opium are they producing in Afghanistan now that the Taliban are not in control?

In Peace,
As Always I come,
BlueAngel

06-19-2005, 07:30 PM
And, while I'm at it, perhaps I should say my piece here and stop HOGGING the board, but, the government of the United States of America committed treason when they aided the enemy, the Nazi's, during World War II, when they smuggled the Nazi scientists into this country, when they incarcerated me and thousands upon thousands of other unwitting and unwilling American citizen's in their mind control programs.

They have betrayed US!!! for decades!!!

Secondly, William Jefferson Clinton was impeached for lying under oath!! Why was he under oath? Because he committed a sexual impropriety with Monica Lewinsky? No. Because coincidentally, other women came forward with accusations of sexual misconduct, a case was born and he was practically forced to lie under oath about his sexual activities with Monica Lewinsky.

Otherwise, what occurred between Monica Lewinsky and President Clinton was not reason for impeachment.

It does not embarrass me as much as the killing and bloodshed that our current President has caused. It does not make me as angry as the unjust war in Iraq. It does not give me reason to consider that President Clinton committed treason.

Most everyone has skeletons in their closets and those politicians who do are more prone to having their names drug through the mud whether the charges are exaggerations or not!! Orchestrated or not!!! They can make a mountain out of a mole hill. They can pay people to say or do whatever they desire!!!

Did Clinton use poor judgement? Yes, of course, however, for the RepubliCONS to make this "sexual issue" part of mainstream reporting 24/7 and supply the text on the internet for people of all ages to read, including children, was reprehensible.

When I was younger, I'm sure they had "something" on me to keep me silent, but that doesn't apply any longer.

I was forced against my own free will to commit acts that I would never have contemplated under my own power.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
06-26-2005, 01:40 PM
Wishful Thinking - :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/10/02/image576338l.jpg>
Americans Are Waking Up (http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/10/02/image576338l.jpg)

Wind Of Change In DC - CBS News
"Granted, the winds of corruption and shortsightedness still dominate. More so than at any time in recent memory, high-level officials are indistinguishable from right-wing lobbyists, gutting government's ability to regulate corporate power." – by Jared Bernstein
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/24/opinion/main704212.shtml

Fresh Air – by Jared Bernstein
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9894

From:

The American Prospect - OnLine Edition
http://www.prospect.org/web/index.ww

8-)

06-28-2005, 08:48 AM
Was it coincidence or planned that our president was in Florida on that day?

Taking him out of the loop so that he WAS not and still has NOT been fortcoming with the American people as to WHY on GOD's green earth did our AIR FORCE SIT ON THE GROUND!!

Who ordered the STANDDOWN??

Who was in charge?

Who allowed those jets to continue on their deadly paths of destruction?

The terrorists??????

FOUR JUMBOS, JIMBO, flying off-course, with lost communication and NORAD didn't intervene.

Yes, I feel so well-protected now that we have the terror bar, the search and seizure tactics in place.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
11-02-2005, 09:31 PM
If It Was Illegal For The Government To Provide You With Disinformation Paid By Your Taxed Dollars ??? – :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesG/lawenforf.gif">
Ethics Enforcement (http://www.rense.com/1.imagesG/lawenforf.gif)

Could government’s corruption be stopped & accountability restored?

CIA Met Bin Laden’s Lieutenant In Manila After 911
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CheneyKnew.htm
8-)

Jimbo
11-12-2005, 09:17 AM
Physics Professor Reports WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition - :-o :-o :-o

EXCLUSIVE: Physics Professor Reports WTC Destroyed by Controlled Demolition
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/professor_reports_wtc_destroyed_by_controlled_demo .htm

Prof. Jones' Article Questioning The 'Official Story' Of 911
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
8-)

Jimbo
11-14-2005, 04:47 PM
Professor Of Physics Refutes Official 911 Story - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture5.jpg">
WTC Towers - 287 Steel Columns (http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture5.jpg)

Prominent Physics Professor Refutes Official 911 Story
"Planes causing collapse bad science, Thermite charges suspect."
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/prof_jones_refutes_official_911_story.htm
8-)

Jimbo
11-15-2005, 03:21 PM
Professor Believes A Whole Different Scenario Took Place On 911 - :-o :-o :-o

Questioning What Happened On 911 - MSNBC

Questioning What Happened On 911 - MSNBC
"Professor believes planes didn't cause all the damage around the WTC."
"Jones, a professor of physics, believes that the hijackers may not have brought down the towers by themselves."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/
8-)

Jimbo
11-15-2005, 05:31 PM
911’s WTC Towers Controlled Demolition ??? – :-o :-o :-o

WTC Towers Controlled Demolition On 911

Prof. Jones Has Wide Academic Support – Controlled Demolition Brought Down WTC Towers
“BYU Professor Has Plenty of Company in the Academic Community, Including 60 Faculty Members from Two Utah Universities Who Concur a Controlled Demolition Most Likely Brought Down the WTC and Further Investigation Is Needed”
http://www.rense.com/general68/demo.htm
8-)

Jimbo
11-15-2005, 09:22 PM
President's Ratings Hit New Lows Everyday – :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2003/10/02/image576338x.jpg>
Poll Ratings Collapsing (http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2003/10/02/image576338x.jpg)

Polls Continue On Downward Fall

President's Ratings Hit New Low In Poll
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051115/ts_usatoday/presidentsratingshitnewlowinpoll
8-)

Jimbo
11-18-2005, 01:29 AM
911’s Strangely Silent Irregularities ??? – :-o :-o :-o

The Truth & Only The Truth, So Help Me God !

Inconsistencies Of Official Government Story…

911’s Strangely Silent Irregularities
http://www.rense.com/general68/doomed.htm
8-)

freeman
11-18-2005, 05:51 AM
911’s Strangely Silent Irregularities
http://www.rense.com/general68/doomed.htm

Thanks for posting, Jimbo. That rense link slipped by me...and it is vital, just the kind of in-depth research that has been missing from 9/11 inquiries so far. No one has focused on the airplane victims and their families.
I think we are finally getting very close to breaking this conspiracy wide open.

Bouncer
11-18-2005, 01:56 PM
Yeah, right on, Jimbo. With all due respect, When I saw "W" standing at the podium with that smirk on his face, telling us about WMD's, etc., I knew the press would hit the fan one day.

The secret witnesses at Dealy Plaza were systematically murdered after all the other loose ends were tied up, no? This causes me to suspect the truth about a local story here: an FBI agent who shot his two daughters and then himself shortly after 9/11. Did he really fail, or was he "suicided"?

freeman
11-18-2005, 03:07 PM
Truth is we may never know the whole truth about 9/11, especially the alleged victims onboard the airliners.
The original Operation Northwood Plan was devised for minimum casualties and was intended to be largely propagated by the media. I suspect that needs to be factored into the 9/11 equation somehow...the doctored manifests, missing boarding videos and at least two of the airplanes surfacing after 9/11 leads me to question just how many victims there really were on the planes themselves.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 09:47 PM
All these people from 3 separate planes have to be somewhere.

Has anyone read "Alternative 3" or, have any of you Brits seen the Science Report that was shown perhaps 10-12 years ago by the same name?

Hey, they had to go somewhere.

freeman
11-18-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm skeptical of "Alternative Three" as disinfo. Certainly the April Fools broadcast on BBC was intended to convey the project as a hoax. I believe a think tank report was issued -- and leaked -- during the Eisenhower administration along the same guidelines, i. e., that plans had to be made to abandon earth in the face of a pending environmental cataclysm.
There was an inordinate number of government and intelligence-related employees on the manifests of all the 9/11 airliners. Even some of the celebrity victims like TV's Frasier producer David Angell had such connections (he worked for the Pentagon in the early 1970s before having a sudden and curious burst of success in Hollywood; also trained at a Jesuit university). I suspect the answer may be along these lines...if any of the "victims" disappeared, they only changed identities, not solar system zip codes.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 10:49 PM
Sorry, freeman, won't wash either. Too many of them that weren't goernment connected. I'm not sold on "Alt.3" - just a thought, but they had to be bussed or flown somewhere.

The Cleveland airport might be a good place from which to start tracking them.

Has the wife of the guy who supposedly called her on his cell phone ever recanted? Since cell phones don't work at the altitude the plane was flying at the time of the supposed call, ???????

11-18-2005, 11:11 PM
"In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except
yourself."

We can give you a key, but an invitation is required.

freeman
11-19-2005, 06:20 AM
Has the wife of the guy who supposedly called her on his cell phone ever recanted? Since cell phones don't work at the altitude the plane was flying at the time of the supposed call, ???????

Not to the best of my knowledge.
My best guess at this point is that the manifest numbers were kept artificially low and pumped with a lot of inside agents to the plot. (Obviously, the blatantly neocon political leanings of the surviviors' families in the article Jimbo cited is a big clue.)
I don't doubt that some innocents were also included, Barbara, especially the flight crews.
Most likely scenario to me still seems to be Flight 93 used as the meat wagon. Unfortunately, that also means that those who gave the order to shoot it down may not have been staging a mini coup -- or at least they, too, may have been manipulated as part of the plot.
I would say that any non-major airport between Harrisburg, PA and Cleveland could be rendevous points for one or more of the flights.

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 07:24 AM
Gerard Holmgren did some amazing work on "proving" that two of those flights did not exist on ANY manifest open to the public.

I'm not with him on the "holograms" and I find the pods simply irrelevant if not the product of extreme "eye squinting"...still, give credit where credit is due.

I agree, we may never get the full story. Hell, we cant even get a %10 true pic of WW2.

redrat11
08-20-2006, 02:59 PM
Still Waiting!

Here we are nearly 6 years after 911, and still the so-called 911 conspiracy movement is yet to begin a competent investigation of this CIA/SPOOK
"corporation" MITRE!

what does this tell you? It should tell you that the almost entire "conspiracy" movement is and has been a sham to begin with! And I'm not talking about Zionism or the NWO, I'm talking about the 911 conspiracy sham. It's been hijacked entirely by the U.S. intelligence agencies (specifically the Military Intelligence)

For the last time I'm going to mention this SPOOK corporation MITRE, if there happens to be a intelligence operative who happens to be a patriot reading this PLEASE "Let the SunShine in on this Corporation" the only DAMM agency possible to coordinate, manipulate, execute, the disaster of 911, and also the only agency capable of covering up the preceeding aftermath!

The whole damm 911 conspiracy movement is a complete joke without a Investigation of this SPOOK Organization! Of course we'll get HIT again, The conspiracy moves forward! :-(

http://www.mitre.org/about/ffrdcs/c3i.html

redrat11
09-22-2006, 02:26 PM
Another 9-11 Video(pretty good)

Another "view" of history.... :-?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

ColdSheenow
05-07-2007, 09:04 PM
http://www.rense.com/general76/wdb.htm

ColdSheenow
05-07-2007, 09:06 PM
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html

ColdSheenow
05-07-2007, 09:16 PM
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coincidence911guide15aug04.shtml

ColdSheenow
05-07-2007, 09:17 PM
:-o

ColdSheenow
05-07-2007, 09:22 PM
:-x

Shadow
05-08-2007, 02:38 AM
People be carefull, this idiot is trying to plant data vipers!

ColdSheenow
05-13-2007, 01:07 AM
FLIGHT 587


http://geocities.com/mknemesis/airbus.html

FLIGHT 587...


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0111/newyork.crash.gallery2/content1.html


FLIGHT 587...?


http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm

ColdSheenow
05-13-2007, 01:24 AM
FLIGHT 587


http://geocities.com/mknemesis/airbus.html

FLIGHT 587...


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0111/newyork.crash.gallery2/content1.html


FLIGHT 587...?


http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm

http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/colonels.html

Shadow
05-13-2007, 10:28 AM
ColdSheenow wrote:
FLIGHT 587


http://geocities.com/mknemesis/airbus.html

FLIGHT 587...


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0111/newyork.crash.gallery2/content1.html


FLIGHT 587...?


http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm

What is the coincidence of this cunt continuing to return after each banning?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_Defiant_Disorder

ColdSheenow
05-13-2007, 11:10 AM
http://www.texemarrs.com/money_alchemy_betrayal.htm

Shadow
05-13-2007, 11:53 AM
http://www.Coldsheenow.com/the_tail_of_the_troll.html

ColdSheenow
05-13-2007, 12:06 PM
ColdSheenow wrote:
FLIGHT 587


http://geocities.com/mknemesis/airbus.html

FLIGHT 587...


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0111/newyork.crash.gallery2/content1.html


FLIGHT 587...?


http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm


http://www.vialls.com/

Shadow
05-13-2007, 12:16 PM
www.morons.com

ColdSheenow
05-13-2007, 01:48 PM
ColdSheenow wrote:
http://www.texemarrs.com/money_alchemy_betrayal.htm


http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm

ColdSheenow
05-20-2007, 08:11 PM
ColdSheenow wrote:

ColdSheenow wrote:
http://www.texemarrs.com/money_alchemy_betrayal.htm


http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm


http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/view_video.php?viewkey=6fb0a03bb19f2d8d9524&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

ColdSheenow
05-20-2007, 09:58 PM
ColdSheenow wrote:

ColdSheenow wrote:

ColdSheenow wrote:
http://www.texemarrs.com/money_alchemy_betrayal.htm


http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm


http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/view_video.php?viewkey=6fb0a03bb19f2d8d9524&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr



NOTE: GOVERNMENT KRAP VIDEO, SHADOW PRODUCTIONS!!!

redrat11
05-27-2007, 01:23 AM
http://www.ziopedia.org/english/9%1011/eric_hufschmid%27s_%27painful_deceptions%27/

redrat11
05-28-2007, 08:14 PM
Interesting, very, very, interesting indeed.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/


Space-Weapons???? Explain this! Notice how far the police car is from the WTC disaster.
Scroll down for the photo.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html

redrat11
05-28-2007, 09:15 PM
So let me get this straight, Space-Weapons, Laser Death-Rays are possibly involved in the 9-11 disaster.

so the Mossad, CIA, Military Industrial Complex, Illuminatti, Zionist Cabal are behind this?

How come?


Answer: Cause they can get away with it, that's why!

And by the way, space weaponry, or Directed Energy Weapons form Satellites are real, I already posted on that somewhere in this place.

China/Russia/Iran alliance won't stand a chance, supposing they don't have the technology.

redrat11
08-26-2007, 02:49 PM
It Did'nt Happen???????

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/260807_b_airlines.htm

BlueAngel
08-26-2007, 07:10 PM
To Alex Jones at Prison Planet:

Deductive reasoning, please, people!

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

-------------------------------------------------

What would be the reason to omit from daily departures Flight numbers 11 and 77?

To screw with your head!

These are the flights that reportedly were hijacked, but they didn't exist on September 11, 2001??

Why?

To screw with your head!!

WHAT FLIGHT NUMBERS WERE ON THE TICKETS OF THE PASSENGERS ON THOSE FLIGHTS?

Certainly, a family member has an itinerary!

How could those flights have been reported as having been hijacked and family members knowing their loved ones were on those FLIGHT NUMBERS if they weren't the flight numbers that departed?

Again, I think SOMEBODY is screwing with YOU.

So, if the passengers boarded those flight numbers and the planes were taken elsewhere and other jets were used to crash into the towers because there could be no risk of survivors, does it really matter?

Either way, passengers were killed or taken elsewhere and thousands more were killed in the towers.

Are the flight numbers that important?

Only if you allow them to be.

Only if you allow them to muddy the waters with more disinformation.

The crux of the matter is not the flight numbers, but what occurred on that fatal day.

If you get too caught up in their disinformation tactics you will lose sight of the fact, that no matter what flight numbers took off that day, our government left the United States of America UNPROTECTED.

They ordered a STAND DOWN and attacked us from the inside out.

redrat11
08-26-2007, 07:36 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
To Alex Jones at Prison Planet:

Deductive reasoning, please, people!

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

-------------------------------------------------

What would be the reason to omit from daily departures Flight numbers 11 and 77?

To screw with your head!

These are the flights that reportedly were hijacked, but they didn't exist on September 11, 2001??

Why?

To screw with your head!!

WHAT FLIGHT NUMBERS WERE ON THE TICKETS OF THE PASSENGERS ON THOSE FLIGHTS?

Certainly, a family member has an itinerary!

How could those flights have been reported as having been hijacked and family members knowing their loved ones were on those FLIGHT NUMBERS if they weren't the flight numbers that departed?

Again, I think SOMEBODY is screwing with YOU.

So, if the passengers boarded those flight numbers and the planes were taken elsewhere and other jets were used to crash into the towers because there could be no risk of survivors, does it really matter?

Either way, passengers were killed or taken elsewhere and thousands more were killed in the towers.

Are the flight numbers that important?

Only if you allow them to be.

Only if you allow them to muddy the waters with more disinformation.

The crux of the matter is not the flight numbers, but what occurred on that fatal day.

If you get too caught up in their disinformation tactics you will lose sight of the fact, that no matter what flight numbers took off that day, our government left the United States of America UNPROTECTED.

They ordered a STAND DOWN and attacked us from the inside out.

BA there is a possibility that a patriot inside American Airlines Corporate structure decided to come clean, a distint possibility. I don't believe those flights existed, I'm convinced that those passengers were murdered before or after the "flights" and then military drone aircraft were flown into the "targets."

BlueAngel
08-26-2007, 07:49 PM
RedRat said:

BA there is a possibility that a patriot inside American Airlines Corporate structure decided to come clean, a distint possibility. I don't believe those flights existed, I'm convinced that those passengers were murdered before or after the "flights" and then military drone aircraft were flown into the "targets."

-----------------------------------------------

Come clean about what?

Telling the public that those flights didn't exist?

And, for what reason does this patriot do this?

Who did he leak this information to?

So, if he knows this, what else does he know?

That's all?

That's all he's going to say?

These flights didn't exist on September 11, but other than that my lips are sealed.

Give me a break!

Like I said, disinformation

They murdered hundreds of passengers where?

On the runway?

Instead of boarding them onto an aircraft sitting on the runway, they whisked them through a back door somewhere and murdered them and not one passenger called a family member and said, hey, something strange is going on here.

If military drone were used, why does that have anything to do with particular flights that leave every day from the same airport not being on the departure list that day?

Absolutely nothing.

Those flights could have left, been directed elsewhere and military drone flown into the towers.

Like I said, disinformation.

It doesn't matter whether those flights existed or not.

What matters is that hundreds of passengers boarded aircraft at those airports on September 11, 2001 and those flights, the flight numbers on their tickets, were either directed elsewhere and drone's flown into the towers or those flights flown into the towers.

Now, find a relative of a passenger who was on one of those flights and ask them what FLIGHT NUMBER was on their loved one's itinerary.

Go ahead.

Prove me right!

BlueAngel
08-26-2007, 07:54 PM
This thread brings back memories.

Shortly after escaping and finding refuge here in 2005.

It's been a journey.

Thanks, Jimbo!

NoHope, he sure lived up to his name!

redrat11
08-26-2007, 08:00 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
RedRat said:

BA there is a possibility that a patriot inside American Airlines Corporate structure decided to come clean, a distint possibility. I don't believe those flights existed, I'm convinced that those passengers were murdered before or after the "flights" and then military drone aircraft were flown into the "targets."

-----------------------------------------------

Come clean about what?

Telling the public that those flights didn't exist?

And, for what reason does this patriot do this?

Who did he leak this information to?

So, if he knows this, what else does he know?

That's all?

That's all he's going to say?

These flights didn't exist on September 11, but other than that my lips are sealed.

Give me a break!

Like I said, disinformation

They murdered hundreds of passengers where?

On the runway?

Instead of boarding them onto an aircraft sitting on the runway, they whisked them through a back door somewhere and murdered them and not one passenger called a family member and said, hey, something strange is going on here.

If military drone were used, why does that have anything to do with particular flights that leave every day from the same airport not being on the departure list that day?

Absolutely nothing.

Those flights could have left, been directed elsewhere and military drone flown into the towers.

Like I said, disinformation.

It doesn't matter whether those flights existed or not.

What matters is that hundreds of passengers boarded aircraft at those airports on September 11, 2001 and those flights, the flight numbers on their tickets, were either directed elsewhere and drone's flown into the towers or those flights flown into the towers.

Now, find a relative of a passenger who was on one of those flights and ask them what FLIGHT NUMBER was on their loved one's itinerary.

Go ahead.

Prove me right!


BA, I realize your point of view, what I'm saying is that on 911 those flights were "rerouted" to the Atlantic Ocean and blown to bits, never to be recovered by anyone, the Military Industrial Complex, Zionist/Mossad/CIA etc.. has gained over a trillion dollars since that 911 day, look at all that happenned since that day, more MIComplex contracts for "security" around the United States.


I'm saying there is a bunch of incredibly EVIL people within our government, however there is also a good number of patriots who have been outright killed or "kidnapped" from speaking anything about 911, we probably never will hear the real story.

redrat11
08-26-2007, 08:08 PM
redrat11 wrote:
Still Waiting!

Here we are nearly 6 years after 911, and still the so-called 911 conspiracy movement is yet to begin a competent investigation of this CIA/SPOOK
"corporation" MITRE!

what does this tell you? It should tell you that the almost entire "conspiracy" movement is and has been a sham to begin with! And I'm not talking about Zionism or the NWO, I'm talking about the 911 conspiracy sham. It's been hijacked entirely by the U.S. intelligence agencies (specifically the Military Intelligence)

For the last time I'm going to mention this SPOOK corporation MITRE, if there happens to be a intelligence operative who happens to be a patriot reading this PLEASE "Let the SunShine in on this Corporation" the only DAMM agency possible to coordinate, manipulate, execute, the disaster of 911, and also the only agency capable of covering up the preceeding aftermath!

The whole damm 911 conspiracy movement is a complete joke without a Investigation of this SPOOK Organization! Of course we'll get HIT again, The conspiracy moves forward! :-(

http://www.mitre.org/about/ffrdcs/c3i.html

GEE, I wonder why I've been PERMANENTLY BANNED from many forums anytime I mention and getting info On MITRE. I love it when "they" show there true colors, what a blast!

BlueAngel
08-26-2007, 08:23 PM
RedRat said:

BA, I realize your point of view, what I'm saying is that on 911 those flights were "rerouted" to the Atlantic Ocean and blown to bits, never to be recovered by anyone, the Military Industrial Complex, Zionist/Mossad/CIA etc.. has gained over a trillion dollars since that 911 day, look at all that happenned since that day, more MIComplex contracts for "security" around the United States.

I'm saying that those flights EXISTED!! When those four jumbo jets were reported as having crashed into the towers, shot down in Pennsylvania and crashed into the Pentagon, the loved one's of those passengers knew their family members were on those flight numbers. They were not murdered at the airport. They boarded those flights.

As I said, whether drones hit the towers, whether the aircraft in Pennsylvania went astray and had to be shot down, whether a drone hit the Pentagon, those flights exited; whether they were directed elsewhere or not, blown to bits as you say, THOSE FLIGHTS EXISTED and this person who states they did not is nothing but a disinformation agent.

NORAD was conducting exercises on 911. What kind of exercises? Maybe directing those flights elsewhere with pirates behind the wheels. Maybe blowing them to pieces. I don't know. But, what I know, is that those FLIGHTS departed with hundreds of passengers on board who were killed in one way or another or KIDNAPPED. As far as the aftereffects of 911, we're all aware of what has occurred.

I'm saying there is a bunch of incredibly EVIL people within our government, however there is also a good number of patriots who have been outright killed or "kidnapped" from speaking anything about 911, we probably never will hear the real story.

Really? There are EVIl people in our government? Do you think you're telling me something I don't know? Did you just realize this? There are evil people everywhere, even in the Musical Industrial Complex. Who has been killed or kidnapped from speaking about 911? If so, you better watch your back!

BlueAngel
08-26-2007, 11:32 PM
As far as certain American Airline's flight numbers not existing on September 11, 2001 carrying the hundreds of passengers who purchased tickets for those very same flight numbers, that supposedly crashed into the twin towers, this is all I'm going to say about this DISINFORMATION, and then the subject is closed and it's on to more important matters of which I speak.

IT DOESN'T MATTER!

It doesn't matter if someone tells US that those flight numbers existed or didn't exist.

The fact remains that four jumbo jets were hijacked on September 11, 2001 and hundreds of passengers were either killed when those jets hit the towers, the Pentagan or shot down in Pennsylvania.

Keep your eye on the ball!

Not the crap they feed you!

Do flight numbers really matter or do the hundreds of passengers on those flights who were killed or slammed into the towers matter?

Do flight nubmers matter or does the fact that those passengers were either directed elsewhere and killed and/or kidnapped and drones flew into the towers and the Pentagon and one jet that went astray was shot down in Pennsylvania?

What really matters?

What really matters is that our AIRSPACE was unprotected by the United States military.

What really matters is that a Stand Down was ordered.

What really matters is that hundreds of passengers on those flights were either killed or kidnapped and thousands more died in the towers.

Why the hell do we care whether this flight number or that flight number existed?

The fact remains that thousands of people died on September 11, 2001 and our government conspired in this terrorist attack.

What really matters is that our military sat idly on the ground so this terrorist attack could take place.

I don't care about flight numbers and neither should you.

I care about the thousands of innocent people whom our government MURDERED that day.

BlueAngel
08-27-2007, 04:35 PM
I care about the thousands of innocent people who were murdered that day and, in doing so, the freedoms which they desire to take away from all of us.

Placing our country under a totalitarian dictatorship, fascist/Nazi regime with concentration camps just like they had in Nazi Germany.

Truth be told they are fascist Nazi pigs and they have always held an allegiance to the Nazi party and advancing the same within the United States of America.

Why do you think our country is were it is today if all else leading up to the present was not for the agenda which we know they seek?

BlueAngel
08-27-2007, 10:13 PM
We are living in . . .

NAZI AMERICA!

This is how it was referred to by THEM.

Unbeknownst to the population, we were just as much under the control of a Nazi regime as those who lived under Hitler.

Only we didn't know it. It wasn't as brutal, but it would escalate to that point.

America is an extension; an arm of fascism. We are the homefront for the fascism they breed throughout the world, if you will.

The front!

BlueAngel
08-27-2007, 10:34 PM
If the United States of America is attacked by nuclear missile, it will come from within our own borders.

It will not come from Iran.

They do not have the capability.

This is a front!

It will be launched from within our own borders.

BlueAngel
08-27-2007, 10:45 PM
Something about an attack during the "High Holy Days."

BlueAngel
08-28-2007, 09:30 AM
The MILITARY belongs to THEM.

They can strike us at any time and point the finger elsewhere.

They can strike us from within our own borders as they did on 911 and keep the airforce grounded.

If drones were used, they were military drones.

They use the military for their purposes, to destroy countries, to kill innocent people; to control the world's natural resources; to create their One World Order.

They do not use the military to protect us and they will use the military against us again whether it be another attack within US soil and/or the implementation of martial law that will follow.

Something about Nevada and the Plain States.

BlueAngel
09-12-2007, 09:19 PM
There are many instances where I have stated that there could be no risk of SURVIVORS on the four planes that were supposedly hijacked on 911.

Whether or not three of the hijacked planes actually hit the Pentagon and the Twin Towers is still open to speculation.

In that sense, there were no survivors.

Was it a coincidence that Flight 93 strayed from its' intended target, was either shot down, or crashed and burned to pieces without any survivors except for the black box?

What does the black box provide?

It provides evidence that there was a struggle inside the aircraft. It provides the voices of the so-called hijackers saying that there was a bomb on the plane.

It cements the theory, as well, because it was indentified as one of the hijacked planes and military aircraft were deployed upon it.

Had all four aircraft hit their intended targets without a black box left behind, without military aircraft being deployed to track Flight 93 as it was identified as one of the four aircraft that had been hijacked, would the hijacked theory be as believable without any shred of evidence that a hijacking had actually occurred?

So, was this plane's intention to crash and burn and leave behind the black box as PROOF that the planes that left from their designated airports were actually carrying passengers and that they actually had hijackers on board?

---------------------------------------------

Jury can hear part of Flight 93 tape By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 12, 3:48 PM ET

NEW YORK - The dramatic final moments of United Airlines Flight 93 that were captured on a cockpit voice recorder can be played for a jury at the first trial stemming from lawsuits filed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein ruled that jurors can't listen to the entire tape but can hear portions that the hijacked passengers may have heard.

The relevant portions include a segment in which the voices of one or two of the apparent hijackers announce they have a bomb on board. He also said jurors could hear a 4-minute-long stretch of the sounds of passengers trying to force their way into the cockpit and retake the airplane.

The recording has never been publicly released, though it was played at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui in Virginia, and relatives of the victims were allowed to hear it in private.

Phone calls to lawyers on both sides weren't returned after the ruling.

Forty passengers and crew members died when the hijacked plane crashed into a Pennsylvania field.

Flight 93, which was en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco, was the only one of the four planes hijacked Sept. 11, 2001, that did not reach its intended target, believed to be in Washington, D.C. Investigators believe the hijackers crashed the plane into a field near Shanksville, about 65 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, as passengers rushed the cockpit.

Lawyers for the victims' families have argued that it's important for jurors to hear the sounds of the frightening final moments in order to determine damages. The families have argued that the cockpit voice recording contains evidence of substantial pain, suffering, terror and emotional distress before the victims died.

Some 41 cases have been filed against airlines, plane manufacturers, security agencies and the owners of airports, blaming them for letting terrorists take control of planes.

Typically, a jury first determines liability in a case, and then it decides on damages.

But Hellerstein has scheduled the damages phase in six cases to begin on Sept. 24, before any liability has been determined.

He said he took this unusual step in the hopes that more cases might settle out of court once families of victims get a sense of how much money they are likely to get from a jury.

The first trial will assess damages owed to the family of Patrick Joseph Driscoll, a New Jersey man who was on Flight 93.

Thousands of Sept. 11 victims' families have turned to a victims' fund established by Congress, rather than seeking compensation in court.

The September 11th Victim Compensation Fund, which Congress set up after the attacks, has paid $6 billion to 2,880 families of those who died, representing 97 percent of the families, the judge said. The fund also has dispensed more than $1 billion to 2,680 injured victims.

BlueAngel
09-12-2007, 10:28 PM
This "NO RISK OF SURVIVORS" is really bugging me right now.

I need to work it through.

For deductive reasoning purposes, I will refer to the aircraft as hijacked.

If three of the hijacked aircraft actually hit the Pentagon and the Twin Towers, I'll assume they carried passengers.

If this was the case, why would it have been said there could be "no risk of survivors?"

The planes would have had to have been hijacked for this theory to hold weight.

If there were survivors from any of the four aircraft, they could attest to what occurred on the plane and that would be that it was overtaken by a couple of Muslin men with boxcutters.

So, the "no risk of survivors" doesn't seem to apply to that scenario.

If drones hit the Pentagon and Twin Towers and didn't carry passengers then the "no risk of survivors" would relate to the four planes that left their respective airports and disappeared into thin air.

So, Flight 93 was an actual hijacking. We know this, right, because there were phone calls made to loved ones describing what was happening.

This could have been a production; the flight landed elsewhere and LORD only knows what was shot down in Pennsylvania leaving a pre-recorded black box behind.

There was some type of a hole. Any parts of the aircraft recovered? It could have been pre-planned as their target; that specific area. A missle into the ground.

The four aircraft landed elsewhere and the "no risk of survivors" applies to that scenario, of course!!

BlueAngel
09-12-2007, 10:32 PM
To get to the point, the phone calls to loved ones that attest to the fact that the plane(s) had been overtaken and were being hijacked may be exactly what happened for evidentiary purposes, but landed elsewhere and drones hit the Pentagon and the Twin Towers.

As far as the black box, left behind for evidence of a hijacking.

It could have been planted there before anyone arrived at the scene.

It could have been pre-recorded.

Jimbo
10-01-2007, 04:17 PM
The 911 Debacle - Still Unresolved - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

The 911 Debacle - Still Unresolved
And the Truth shall set you Free...

Intersecting Facts & Theories On 911 - Paper - by Joseph P. Firmage - (Downloadable "pdf" File)

"The attacks of September 11, 2001 have resulted in significant changes in both the geopolitical order of nations & in the lives of billions of citizens across the planet. From two wars & growing instability across the Middle East, to the powers that states are exercising upon each other & their citizens, to your removal of tennis shoes at the airport security gate, the forces unleashed on that dark day are still reverberating throughout the world."

Conclusion
"It is clear from this survey that a large number of vital facts about 9/11 do not conform to the official conspiracy theory, & do conform to complicity or causation theories. If that represents the truth of the matter, then an enormous range of consequences, considerations & possible futures emerge. They will be the subject of writings by this & many other researchers.

If this intersection of facts & theories stands up, then the core of the Neo-Conservative Movement is behind one of the greatest crimes in history. In that case, I have no doubt whatsoever that those involved had the good of the world in mind in formulating & carrying out the operation. After all, the logic would have gone, a few thousand people lost is a painful but small price to pay for strategically transforming the entire geopolitical order. I have equally little doubt that they honestly believed that, by 2006, Central Asia & the Middle East would be starting down the path to an astonishing liberation of Western-style democracy & freedom, & 9/11 would have been remembered in a different way as U.S. forces were greeted with welcome arms by repressed populations of the region. Tragically naïve, but I believe they believed it.

They certainly would not have predicted the state of world affairs their actions - & inaction - have yielded. Others did predict the conflict & chaos that could be unleashed if imperial ends & means were at the core of a New American Century.

If 9/11 was a false flag operation, whether & how we restore integrity to our nation is likely to be the greatest test our democracy has ever faced. The implications to domestic & foreign affairs will be nothing short of staggering. Some have suggested that confronting the truth of 9/11 will bring down not just an administration, but the republic. On the contrary, difficult as facing the truth of 9/11 will be, I believe that the republic will be radically strengthened: its citizens will be smarter & humbler, its laws will be respected, its transparency will be reestablished, its policies will be restructured, its relations will be restored & its honor will be reclaimed.

The process itself can be an example to the world of the unique potential of the democratic form of government to overcome the most pernicious kind of evil - the evil within."
http://journalof911studies.com/articles/Intersecting_Facts_and_Theories_on_911.pdf

(To Download ".wmv" files, "Right-Click" on the "link" & select "Save Target As...")

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P1 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
http://question911.hostroy.com/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%201of3.wm v

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P2 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
22:00 FEMA arrived on New York the night before.
22:50 Rudy Giuliani (Rudolph W. Giuliani) & Peter Jennings
23:30 Rudy Giuliani - "We were told, the "World Trade Center" was going to Collapse."
http://s206790037.onlinehome.us/q911/7w1305ee4049wq44pwzell9ee23/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%202of3.wm v

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P3 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
http://s152982276.onlinehome.us.nyud.net:8080/7w1305ee4049wq44pwzell9ee23/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%203of3.wm v

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

George_Bush
10-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Jimbo wrote:
The 911 Debacle - Still Unresolved - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

The 911 Debacle - Still Unresolved
And the Truth shall set you Free...

Intersecting Facts & Theories On 911 - Paper - by Joseph P. Firmage - (Downloadable "pdf" File)

"The attacks of September 11, 2001 have resulted in significant changes in both the geopolitical order of nations & in the lives of billions of citizens across the planet. From two wars & growing instability across the Middle East, to the powers that states are exercising upon each other & their citizens, to your removal of tennis shoes at the airport security gate, the forces unleashed on that dark day are still reverberating throughout the world."

Conclusion
"It is clear from this survey that a large number of vital facts about 9/11 do not conform to the official conspiracy theory, & do conform to complicity or causation theories. If that represents the truth of the matter, then an enormous range of consequences, considerations & possible futures emerge. They will be the subject of writings by this & many other researchers.

If this intersection of facts & theories stands up, then the core of the Neo-Conservative Movement is behind one of the greatest crimes in history. In that case, I have no doubt whatsoever that those involved had the good of the world in mind in formulating & carrying out the operation. After all, the logic would have gone, a few thousand people lost is a painful but small price to pay for strategically transforming the entire geopolitical order. I have equally little doubt that they honestly believed that, by 2006, Central Asia & the Middle East would be starting down the path to an astonishing liberation of Western-style democracy & freedom, & 9/11 would have been remembered in a different way as U.S. forces were greeted with welcome arms by repressed populations of the region. Tragically naïve, but I believe they believed it.

They certainly would not have predicted the state of world affairs their actions - & inaction - have yielded. Others did predict the conflict & chaos that could be unleashed if imperial ends & means were at the core of a New American Century.

If 9/11 was a false flag operation, whether & how we restore integrity to our nation is likely to be the greatest test our democracy has ever faced. The implications to domestic & foreign affairs will be nothing short of staggering. Some have suggested that confronting the truth of 9/11 will bring down not just an administration, but the republic. On the contrary, difficult as facing the truth of 9/11 will be, I believe that the republic will be radically strengthened: its citizens will be smarter & humbler, its laws will be respected, its transparency will be reestablished, its policies will be restructured, its relations will be restored & its honor will be reclaimed.

The process itself can be an example to the world of the unique potential of the democratic form of government to overcome the most pernicious kind of evil - the evil within."
http://journalof911studies.com/articles/Intersecting_Facts_and_Theories_on_911.pdf

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911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P1 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
http://question911.hostroy.com/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%201of3.wm v

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P2 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
22:00 FEMA arrived on New York the night before.
22:50 Rudy Giuliani (Rudolph W. Giuliani) & Peter Jennings
23:30 Rudy Giuliani - "We were told, the "World Trade Center" was going to Collapse."
http://s206790037.onlinehome.us/q911/7w1305ee4049wq44pwzell9ee23/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%202of3.wm v

911 Mysteries - Demolitions - P3 - (Windows Media Player "wmv" Video - Downloadable)
http://s152982276.onlinehome.us.nyud.net:8080/7w1305ee4049wq44pwzell9ee23/911%20Mysteries%20Part%201%20Demolitions%203of3.wm v

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I will have to disagree somewhat with this assessment of the situation. I am personally convinced first of all that the September the eleventh (as I refuse to use the Monarch trigger */**) was orchestrated by members of intelligence services.

I am convinced the the Protocals of the Elders of Zion is a real document written by a member of Ordo Illuminati. I am convinced that Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars is a real document written for intelligence services and for finacial agents in the genocide against America and the world. I am convinced that Ordo Illuminati practice the shadow of scripture, namely, every negative woe and vice condemned in Scripture is their creed. They are Luciferians. They are those skilled in raising Rhahab and Leviathan. They have fallen down to worship Satan for the Mammon of unrighteousness. They are transcendental Atheists. They make use only of the shells. Oil is their blood. Children are their inheritance. Might equals right, etc...

I am convinced that they do not care about the good of mankind. I am convinced that they care about their own conceptions of good for themselves and their progeny. They are the very seed of the Serpent. They are totally evil, totally malefic, totally darkened, totally worthless human beings and absolutely 100% Hellbound. Lust, Murder, Greed, Cruelty, Waste, and Abuse are their path.

Their practice may only be understood if one first understands the Parabolic bycoming of prophetic Scripture. All of the passages on themes of Lucifer, Levithan, Satan, diabolos, Synogogue of Satan, 666, the Beast, the Dragon, etc, etc., are the cornerstones of their practice.

Perhaps not all Illuminati are at this level of understanding. Many were born into this way of life. All of their lives they have been indoctrinated from an early age to engage in the idealistic practice of maleficence and evil. And so this becomes their way. They are told lie after lie after lie, and each of these lies is a thorn which spreads out like a thistle in the minds of the Illuminati children, and these thorns and thistles become the crowns of their minds and heads.

They are not superhuman. They are not aliens. They are not omnipotant. They are just men like every other man. Their craft amounts to nothing more than a magician's cup and balls on the grand scale. They are deceivers, liars, manipulaters, weaklings (for they subsist off of others), and despondant. They are not elite, noble, or regal in any sense. Their power is only, always, and ever negatively charged with the power to destroy that which is good and beneficial to man. But the power of life, liberation, and joy in love and benevolence they have none, for it is not in them. Their lives are half lives and they cry for the joy and blood of others for they have none themselves.

They do not care about preserving the world. That consciousness is not in them. They do not care about the sheep they paster, nay, in truth they do not even care about the goats. Nor do they actually even care about themselves nor their false gods.

They are dead, hollow, false, powerless, void of virtue and strenth, having only the mind of murder, greed and destruction.

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Then does one suppose that a Luciferian would be ill at ease for turning the world into a desert, raping the earth and its resources, making its cities a desolation, and leading all in their wake to damnation? NO! Not only do they not care, it is their mode of operation to do such things.

They are deceived. They believe that the doctrine of Christ and Christianity is a bane to mankind. They are transcendental Atheists. They believe that by raising a Weltenschauungkrieg working from the negative statements against iniquity found in Scripture that they will be able to destroy Religion by proving that it neither describes reality, or truth in any way.

The Ordo Illuminati BELIEVE that they are Supermen. They BELIEVE that the principles of Lucifer as condemned in Scripture are right and just. They BELIEVE in the survival of the fittest and that they are the fittest.

That is their choice. I am simply one who stands in opposition against them. I openly challenge the entire order to a contest of power. I have stated this challenge before and state it again. If Lucifer is God then why not put it to the gold test? I'm willing to bet it all on this: They are not only not Supermen, but the weakest of all men and they will not survive for they are not the fittest but the weakest. Not only do they not know Sapentia, but their Scientia was not even seen correctly through their blinded eyes.

I do not worry overmuch about the Ordo Illuminati. Let them have their little gold and silver. Let them build their private utopias. Let them roll in iniquity till they even make themselves vomit. They will utterly annihilate themselves in their own error. They are the tares growning amidst the wheat. Fear not, they shall be plucked up at the end of the Aeon. For there is nothing hidden that shall not be brought to light.

So what should men do in an age when their symbols are printed on our very money? No, this is the question you should be asking -- why do you value gold and silver which is not gold and silver indeed? What then? "Render to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and to God that which belongs to God."

Why are men swayed by all of this propaganda produced by the Illuminati? Why this fear of them? I do not understand this. For they are a house of cards that could be blown apart with the slightest puff. They are nothing and less than nothing. Do you think I am simply trying to belittle these men and their false god? You are mistaken. For I know certainly that they are nothing.

There is such a thing in this world as a congregation of the elect in Christ. They are mostly scorned by the world. You'll never hear about them on television or radio. But they are around. And for their sakes the earth is preserved to this day -- for they are the light and the salt of the earth. If there is a group which justly should be called 'illuminati', they are that, for they are the true filii lucis.

But I refuse to be afraid of these men, cannot be afraid of them anymore. For Christ shall make all his enemies his footstool before his appearing to the sons of men. He may do this in many ways, but it shall come by his own working. For Christ is able to subject all things to his power. All power has been given to him in heaven and earth. And I am persuaded that neither life nor death, nor angels nor demons, nor height nor depth, nor things past nor things to come, nor any other thing shall be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus.

Therefore do not fear them. Live in the light of God. Awake, O sleeper, Arise from the dead! And the Light of Christ shall shine upon you!

[quote]Isaiah 40:

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
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2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.
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3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
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5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
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6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
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7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
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8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
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9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
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10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
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11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
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12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
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13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
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14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
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15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
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16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
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17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
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18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
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19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
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20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
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21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
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22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
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24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
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25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
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26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
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27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
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28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
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29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
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30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
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31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Jimbo
10-03-2007, 10:17 AM
I also do not agree w/ the “Conclusion” reached by Joseph P. Firmage. In particular, I do not agree w/ his statement that “those involved had the good of the world in mind”. In particular, I find that very, very hard to believe. How can anyone think that staging a false-flag attack against, specially, their own people, & in that massive scale, justifies anything worth seeking, is beyond me. However, it shows that there are many opposing points of view, that is, to the official non-sense that is constantly being fed upon us.

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 08:00 PM
We've Got More Work To Do - We Certainly Do - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

We've Got More Work To Do

We've Got More Work To Do - We Certainly Do

President George W Bush Interview (Part 1) - Sky News Exclusive
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ2-1IcVCEw

m:ss (Minutes & Seconds)
0:00
3:41 We've got more work to do.
3:42 We the free world 's got more work to do.
3:44 And I believe those of us who live in Liberty have a responsibility
3:47 to promote forms of government
3:50 that deal with what causes 19 kids to get on airplanes to kill 3000 students.
4:46 End

From " www.Rense.com ":

Bush - '19 Kids Getting On Planes Killing 3,000 Students' 3:50 Mark On YouTube Video
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ2-1IcVCEw

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 08:14 PM
That is so bizarre.

3,000 Students and 19 Kids!

What terrorist attack is he referring to?

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 08:55 PM
So Bizarre is right. Really strange. To me it sounds more like, most of what he says is all pre-programmed, however not being able to recite the sentences as pre-rehearsed, he ends up mixing up everything, words, ideas & phrases, altogether. I am hoping one day he’ll just fuck up & tell us the truth, by accident, which he has already, but the media has completely ignored it.

In this case I think he was referring to 911. I think that the entire phrase is very interesting, since he is telling us some of the truth behind his real motives. For example: “we’ve got more work to do” means exactly that. They’ve got much more stuff coming down the pipes. “We the free world” could be interpreted as “we, the ones in power, the ones w/ the OWG agenda”. Again, “Liberty” for him means “those in power who have the Liberty, because of their power” to “promote”, which means “to oblige or force the rest of the world”, since they have the “responsibility” or “duty” to “force their will” on everybody else. Now, we know that true “Liberty”, as suggested in our Constitution does not mean that the Government has to force anyone, or the World for that matter to adhere to their “forms of government”. In the Constitution the government is supposed to be subservient to “the people” & not the other way around. Now “What causes 19 kids to get in airplanes to kill 3000 students” could literally mean “many bad things mixed up all together in 1 ugly sentence gone wrong”, during the interview. Ultimately, I think it means “Mind Control”, or Manchurian Candidates on a mission. Now, the entire thought means, that they are still on their God assigned mission to promote, by either force or regime change, governments around the world to adhere to the dictates of the global government. And, they could achieve this. By adopting a doctrine where, by planning ahead how to respond to terrorism, rather than prevent terrorism, they can contain, control, & manipulate their respective populations – so when the shit hits their fans at their respective locations - whether it is India, Pakistan, Australia, Canada, Mexico, it doesn’t matter. The same game plan would be put in place. Everyone singing to the same tune, playing to the same sheet of music. First comes the big catastrophic event, which then forces their respective government to respond, by taking charge, to control, reroute, & redistribute the population according to plan. Isn’t this the same ideology & infrastructure they have been promoting all around the world?

Now on a second thought, we could take 2 words in the phrase “What causes 19 kids to get in airplanes to kill 3000 students”, replace them w/ their alternates, & see what happens. If we take the word “kids” to mean the “highjackers” & we take “students” to mean the “victims” of 911 we have something a bit more interesting. “Kids” make perfect “candidates” for “indoctrination”, & for obvious reasons. They are young adults, & thus not fully developed. They are still mentally & emotionally immature to an extent, & do not have a well-formed belief system. They are easily influenced, they are easily re-trained to do new things, that their minds are not going to reject because of some “belief”. They always turn “kids” into “soldiers, agents, provocateurs, or terrorists” (among many other possibilities). Now, the fact that the “victims” are just “regular people” (for the most part), or not very high up in the pyramid, & thus “expendable”, they are still “students”, because they are still learning & are thus not the “Illuminated” ones.

And finally, the word “deal”, which is very important w/in the context in which it was used. The word “deal” implies the “execution of pre-planed & organized events” that take place in the “aftermath” of the “catastrophic event” – as executed by the (brainwashed) “kids”. And since the phrase reads “to promote forms of government that deal with”, it implies that an ideology is being promoted to "deal" w/ the "aftermath of terrorism", as opposed to "prevent terrorism". We know that for many centuries & perhaps aeons, wars have been used to cause big changes & fast. What would otherwise take many years of negotiations, now they can do w/ a lot of money & a good war, not to mention the fact that, they become the benefactors, & profiteers of war. Now, they also have “terrorism”, another form of war, another form of enemy, & a very convenient enemy, which is neither easily definable, nor easily located. It can be anywhere, & at anytime. So, it looks like the perfect mechanisms by which they can “promote” a “new form of government”, or a “New World Order”. Now, all the pieces fit each other perfectly.

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 09:38 PM
Terrorism is their TOOL now for forcing regime change, etc.

Playing the TERRORISM card.

Remember the deck of cards that were printed after 911?

When I listen to Bush talk, I cringe, like most people because of the inconsistencies in his thought processes, etc.

His incongruencies.

His inability to string together coherent sentences at times.

His long pauses, when searching his brain for an answer to a question.

What I see is a mind controlled puppet with what I refer to as a "scrambled brain."

A trip to TINKER AFB would be in order for some descrambling.

Or, for scrambling purposes when "intelligence" is to be erased/replaced or to be programmed for the next "situation."

In Bush's case, I think he is a "defect," inasmuch as it is not possible, as evidenced, to descramble his "core" personality as to appear intelligent and not the "babbling idiot," at times.

The slip-ups are astounding.

So, whether this is protocol, (i.e., a dumb President making dumb mistakes that they wanted him to make), could be.

Could be the effects of drugs and alcohol, as well.

HOWEVER, THE REFERENCE TO 3,000 STUDENTS IS PERPLEXING.

Makes me wonder if something is planned at a school.

He definitely said 19 KID hijackers.

They weren't KIDS.

HE definitely said 3,000 students.

Students and kids!!

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 09:59 PM
I played it back many times & my feed only says “19 kids”. Are you certain you heard that right? Have you played it back a few times to make sure?

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 10:02 PM
It only says "19 kids" as opposed to what?

3,000 students?

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 10:11 PM
It says "19 kids" & not "19 kid highjackers".

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 10:16 PM
Yes, you're right.

He doesn't say 19 KID hijackers.

I was assuming he was talking about the 911 terrorist attack and was referring to the hijackers as KIDS.

Not so sure this is what he is referring to any longer.

19 KIDS and 3,000 STUDENTS obviously doesn't represent 911.

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 10:20 PM
Yeah, but "911" is the event everyone knows around the world. It has to be "911" - & the "airplane". That was the trigger to this whole "War Against Terror" thing. He just mixed up some "college campus plot" w/ the "911 plot". That's all...

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 10:26 PM
Right, he said kids/airplanes and I assumed HIJACKERS.

College Campus ????

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 10:37 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Right, he said kids/airplanes and I assumed HIJACKERS.

College Campus ????

BlueAngel wrote:
Could be the effects of drugs and alcohol, as well.

HOWEVER, THE REFERENCE TO 3,000 STUDENTS IS PERPLEXING.

Makes me wonder if something is planned at a school.

He definitely said 19 KID hijackers.

They weren't KIDS.

HE definitely said 3,000 students.

Students and kids!!


You even mentioned it yourself, "kids & students", what do you find at a college campus but "kids & students". You lost me...

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 11:03 PM
Sorry, for losing you there.

Mentioning 19 kids and 3,000 students in the same sentence when Bush is apparently referring to 911 doesn't make sense.

But, that's the Bush we've become accustomed to, isn't it?

Yes, it sounds more like he's referring to a terrorist attack at a college campus.

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 11:20 PM
What I am saying is that he is intermixing the 2 scenarios, which coming from him, is completely w/in context. In 911 airplanes were used & somewhere around 3000 people died. Now, you are taking the sentence literally, w/ the words he is using. And what I am doing is looking at the sentence as what he meant to say (the 911 scenario implied by airplanes & 3000 victims) w/ the overlaying words (the kids & the students) which could imply some college campus event. You are seeing 1 event, when I am seeing 2 events intermixed. Does that make sense...

BlueAngel
10-23-2007, 11:27 PM
I think we're both saying the same thing!

He MIGHT be intermixing two events.

It's late.

That might explain my inability to communicate at this point.

:lol:

Jimbo
10-23-2007, 11:42 PM
I am not only tired myself, but I have a slight headache on the top of my head, which I rarely get. I guess it is the frustration of seeing our world crumble in the hands of evil psychopaths w/o any compassion, care, or humanity, & there is very little we can do fighting back w/ the tools & the rules that we have. They can do practically anything they want, & we can barely do anything to counteract their moves & acts of aggression against us, our lives, & the means by which we can both live in peace & attempt to have a better life, & thus attain both Liberty & prosperity.

BlueAngel
10-24-2007, 09:01 AM
Bush did not refer to the HIJACKERS as KIDS, but his remarks certainly IMPLIED the same.

It is really MESSED UP when the President of the United States of America is speaking about the 911 TRAGEDY and references the HIJACKERS as KIDS and those who perished in the TWIN TOWERS as STUDENTS.

If I were interviewing him, that would NOT have been IGNORED.

Jimbo
10-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Is "Yisrael" The Land Of Israel - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/bush/bush_tv_writing.jpg" height=500 width=500>
<a href="http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/bush/bush_tv_writing.jpg" target="_blank">Emma Booker Elementary - Sept 11, 2007</a>

Is He Standing On The "Y" For "Yisrael" ???

Is He Standing On The "Y" For "Yisrael" ???

In this photo, President Bush is going over details of the horrendous September the 11th attacks on New York City. What caught my eye is that, since as we know most photos are planned, pre-planned, & staged for maximum effect, the fact that he was standing on the "letter (Y)" I thought it would either have some "hidden meaning" or it would be of some "hidden importance" only visible to those "who know". After my search I concluded that, that must be the "Y" for "Yisrael". Another thing I noticed, "he never wore his lapel pin that morning ???"

Excerpt:

New September 11 Photos Likely Staged
New September 11 Photos Likely Staged - Major Discrepancies Between Documented Events & Pictures Emerge

"The two most interesting shots depict Bush and his entourage in the corridor of the Emma Booker Elementary School, accompanied with a television set in the background showing news coverage of the attack on the World Trade Center."
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/bush_school_photos_2.html

Is "Yisrael" The Land Of Israel ???

Nevuah (Prophecy) Yisrael
http://www.adatmoadim.com/ProphecyYisrael.htm

The Zionist (Yisraelim) Takeover - Post #12
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1336&forum=13&start=10

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Underground info
06-28-2008, 12:21 AM
Hmm... Coincedince? I think not. Bush planned it as an excuse to attack the middle east. He was after the oil

BlueAngel
07-02-2008, 06:31 PM
Hmm... Coincedince? I think not. Bush planned it as an excuse to attack the middle east. He was after the oil

You're right.

Not a coincidence at all.

However, BUSH didn't plan it.

He merely played his role.

Underground info
07-02-2008, 08:12 PM
You're right.

Not a coincidence at all.

However, BUSH didn't plan it.

He merely played his role.


True. I was ranting. He didn't plan it.

ice
07-03-2008, 05:50 AM
i have seen many many coincidences that defy mathamatical statistics of 9/11 being done bye terrorists. the theory has more holes in it than a second hand dart baord that has been at an archery club used as target practice for a month .
what really amased me was the number coincedence , ie 9/11 = 9+1+1=11 . and 911 is the american call for help etc . have you all seen it all ? i suppose some of you have . talk about shocking .

even if we were to base the theory alone on maths and patterns , the conclusive proof speeks for it self as done bye , and you can quote me

a "ritualisticly obsessed" and ever so safisticated in numeroligist enterty , that the only conclusion that can be reached falls in to 2 catagories .

1) we live in a giant machine world where certain mathamatical patterns can be seen in a weekness of its program structure ! the matrix .
2) we are facing a very inteligent " ritualisticly obsessed" alien take over of planet earth in our faces !

here i have2 more coincidences i have yet to see published or given to the public .

i have been on their cases since i was discharged from the elite airborn forces .
lets just say , i know alot about mind control , alpha , beta , theta , but there are actually 7 states of departmentalisation that our minds can have .
these departments are also seen in th book of revelations as churches . the department is known as an alter . 7 churches 7 alters . this is also the key to how our masses are mind controlled through education ( to which i call -------systematic departmentalised split data proccessing ) , tv , radio , and a few others . the 7 headed dragon in revelations is also ( other than alot of other theories that i do not doubt ) is also the nature of our subconsciouse ; ie r-factor--- ie reptilian mind and its seven seperate departments connected to 1 bodey .

anyway chaps ? to the point !

i am not trying to preach to you , i just wat you to see it for your self . just see it for your self and reap the horror show .

what does 911 /2001 actually mean ? 9+1+1+2+0+0+1 actually = 14 ! 1 +4 = 5.

look ! genesis 5 , paragraph 5 , verse 5 .

adam dies ! when you read on , adam dies of an infection ofthe 5th rib !

this is why 2012 holds alot of death in its numarology . to find the real day of death , one must allow the numbers of a day , a month plus 2012 to mount to 5 when concening america . americas number is 5 hence the pentagon .

now go - to the 5th book of the bible deuteronomy .

5th book , 5th paragraph , 5th verse ; and i quote

i was standing between jehovah and you at that particular time to tell you the word of jahovah ( for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up into the mountain ) saying


fire ? mountains ? fire ? buildings ? hhhm ?

ok lets call that another coincidence shall we .
what about 7/7 london bombings ? why do you think they always advertise 7/7 as ---------7/7 an not 7/7/2005 ? come on the clues are in your face .

2005 . ie 2+0+0+5 = 7 .

so 7/7 should be advertised as 7/7/7 .

a ritualistic sacrifice !

allow me folks to explain something . 9/11/2001 had different numbers that are added together , but 7/7/7 is a trinity of numbers . holy at that ie 7 is a holy number , but since they are a trinity ie 3 the same , we have to apply the numbering system differently . 7+7+7=21. 2+1 = 3 .

but since it is a trinity that also adds to a trinity , we have to apply the numbers twice on them self .

just see .

3rd book of the bible is Leveticus .

3rd book , 3rd paragraph and 3rd verse , then 6th vese and 9th verse only !

thus we have 3 , 3 , plus 3 verses . a trinity , where the final outcome is also a trinity of trinities .

i quote
3rd book , 3rd paragraph verse 3 ,

and he must present some of the communion ( poeple ) sacrificeas an offering made be fire to jahovah . namely , the fat that covers the intestines , even all the fat that is over the intestines .

verse 6 .

and his offering is from the flock of the communion sacrifice to jahovah a male or female , a sound on is what he will present .

verse 9 .

and from the communion sacrifice he must present its fat as an offerng by fire to jahovah . the entire fatty tail is what he will remove near the back bone . ( rucksacks on backs of bombers ) , and the fat that covers the intestines , even all the fat that is on the intstines .

now ? since americas number is 5 , and uk is 3 , the iluminate homeland , how is any of this a coincidence ? i see none ! these two rituals are connected bye yet another similarity .

the letter "B" through out the bible , ie the second , letter of the alphibet always connects to bad things .
beast , beelsibub , babbel , and can it be any coincidence that Blair and Bush were in power ?

did you know Blair came into polotics at 30 years old ? he wasnt priminister , but his birth day also adds to 3 .

there is more , but i am not going through all that right now , but what i will add to this , is the book of revelation where john write down signs of the end .

where he writes--------- "LOOK"--------- in many parts of this book . the implication of "LOOK" means poeple are cought by surprise , and are shocked .
many times where the iluminate do their dirty tricks , they can only be achived by surprise hence "LOOK" is like a shocking statement as though poeple are cought off guard . thats why , when i first saw the tv reports on 9/11/2001 and the london bombing 7/7/2005 , i wasnt surprised at how it was done and advertised in our faces so much . i must admit, i knew the real enamy stright away !

bye the way ? the london tube railways were the vains of london , was it any coincidence that the last victims were on a red london bus ? what about the number on that bus ?----------------- look it up your self .

5 is ----------and always will mean--------- death !
3 is-----------and always will be ------------a small strong imprisonment .where one angle or side cannot be moved or manupulated with affecting the another side . it is a strong cage .

when you look at ay 2 dimensional shape , any shape like a square , circle or hexagon , can be manipulated in any direction bye squashing it , and can be squashed where the end results show a slightly different shape that still holds the same area squared , but a triangle can not be manipulated into any other shape , bye pressing down on one side . it is strong because if you try to squash a triangle , it wont move because to move , one of the sides have to alter its length to adjust .

any , just thought i would give you this info , for , coincidence sake .

good thread bye the way ! excellent !

theconspiracist
12-16-2010, 04:58 PM
Its very interesting to read. But still doesn't "prove" anything. Of course, our AA (Avation Administration) had everything to do with scrambling the communications of our airports. Even minutes before those plane crashed directly into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The question is really - Why?

Was it a direct order from one of our government agencies. Such as probably the President of the United States? (Yeah, he was in Florida at some elementary school that morning, reading about some stupid goat to a bunch of little kiddies who don't even know what the word "Truth" means.)

BlueAngel
12-20-2010, 01:12 AM
Its very interesting to read. But still doesn't "prove" anything. Of course, our AA (Avation Administration) had everything to do with scrambling the communications of our airports. Even minutes before those plane crashed directly into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The question is really - Why?

Was it a direct order from one of our government agencies. Such as probably the President of the United States? (Yeah, he was in Florida at some elementary school that morning, reading about some stupid goat to a bunch of little kiddies who don't even know what the word "Truth" means.)

We know why 911 was orchestrated and it has been explained over and over and over again on this fourm.

You might want to read some of the threads regarding this matter.

Afterwards, you may no longer believe that the question "WHY" remains.

theconspiracist
12-20-2010, 06:05 AM
Sure thing, Blue. No offense, but I have read some of these threads regarding the matter. So, what are you implying, that some of these "threads" were written in stone by some of these so-called "experts"?
It's all based on opinions. We can disect any and all angles of this issue. But it's the government that knows what really happened. But they will never reveal its ugly face in public. I am referring to the facts, Ma am.
I have my theories on the fact, the whole thing was orchestrated by the government. But can we all just "assume" or should we just presume it was "just the case"?

BlueAngel
12-21-2010, 06:52 PM
Sure thing, Blue. No offense, but I have read some of these threads regarding the matter. So, what are you implying, that some of these "threads" were written in stone by some of these so-called "experts"?
It's all based on opinions. We can disect any and all angles of this issue. But it's the government that knows what really happened. But they will never reveal its ugly face in public. I am referring to the facts, Ma am.
I have my theories on the fact, the whole thing was orchestrated by the government. But can we all just "assume" or should we just presume it was "just the case"?

You cannot refer to facts regarding 911 because there aren't any.

You might want to re-read my comments on this thread as you are repeating that which I've already written and acting as if you are saying something that I didn't.

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