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Protocol
11-11-2008, 08:28 AM
Women in the Netherlands deemed “unfit mothers” may soon be forced to take contraception, if a draft bill currently before the Dutch parliament is passed. The bill “targets women who have been the subject of judicial intervention due to their bad parenting,” says its author, a member of the Netherlands’ socialist Labour Party.

Under the proposed legislation, a woman judged unfit who refuses to take contraception and becomes pregnant would have her child taken away at birth. The infant then would be placed in a foster home.

While it’s certain that such a measure could potentially prevent convicted child abusers from conceiving and abusing more children, many questions have been raised about the draft bill’s potential impact on human rights in the Netherlands.

Disabled mothers already face a worldwide uphill battle for the right to bear children. Earlier this year, ”K.E.J.,” a woman with developmental disabilities, was taken to court by her own aunt, who wanted K.E.J. to be sterilized against her will. K.E.J. won her court battle. But would a woman with similar disabilities be judged unfit under the proposed Dutch system? What about a woman who could not care for a child due to a mental illness like post-partum depression, but who has entered a treatment program and wants to try again?

The bill does not appear to include any prohibitions against discrimination based on disability, except that parents who have not yet raised a child and been judged unfit based on the way in which they parented that child would not be affected. Therefore, women would not be put on court-ordered contraception before having their first child.

The draft bill, if passed, could also negatively impact women’s rights in the Netherlands. It does not include any provision that would place similar restrictions on the reproductive rights of fathers.

What do you think? Should the Dutch state be able to force women who have abused or neglected previous children to take contraception? Do you think the proposed legislation would be used as a Eugenic measure to prevent women with disabilities from having children?

justgroovy
11-11-2008, 12:16 PM
This is a slippery slope. What determines a potential mother's "unfitness?" IQ? Hygiene? Some psychologist's personal opinion?

And "judicial intervention due to their bad parenting" could be anything. I know a woman who had had child protection services called on her by a pissed off ex. Nothing came of it, but something could have. So for every story like hers there will be court cases and court costs.

Out of the Box
11-12-2008, 07:00 AM
What do you think? Should the Dutch state be able to force women who have abused or neglected previous children to take contraception?

IMO, such women should be sterilised so they can't produce any offspring at all.

Do you think the proposed legislation would be used as a Eugenic measure to prevent women with disabilities from having children?

No. The draft bill seems to apply only to women who have previously abused or neglected children. There is no reason to believe it would or could be extended to disabled women.

BlueAngel
11-12-2008, 10:43 PM
IMO, such women should be sterilised so they can't produce any offspring at all.



No. The draft bill seems to apply only to women who have previously abused or neglected children. There is no reason to believe it would or could be extended to disabled women.

First of all, it depends on the definition of abuse.

So, Out of the Box, do you think men who abuse children should be sterizlied so they can't produce any offspring at all or just women?

Out of the Box
11-14-2008, 05:51 AM
First of all, it depends on the definition of abuse.

Obviously...

So, Out of the Box, do you think men who abuse children should be sterizlied so they can't produce any offspring at all or just women?

Obviously, men should be sterilised too.

BlueAngel
11-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Do the Netherlands have an excessive amount of "unfit" mothers in their country that led to this ruling?

What is the definition in the Netherlands of an "unfit" mother?

Does it involve sexual abuse?

While they're at it.

How 'bout a law that requires sterilization of men who sexually abuse and/or rape women/children?

Sexual abuse is worse than being UNFIT if UNFIT is not defined in the Netherlands as sexual abuse.

Actually, how 'bout castrating priests who sexually abuse children in any country.

I'm all for that.

BlueAngel
11-14-2008, 09:17 PM
Obviously...



Obviously, men should be sterilised too.

It's sterilized.

With a "z" and not an "s."

Out of the Box
11-17-2008, 03:12 AM
Do the Netherlands have an excessive amount of "unfit" mothers in their country that led to this ruling?

What is the definition in the Netherlands of an "unfit" mother?

I'm not familiar with Dutch statistics.

In the orriginal article, "unfit" refers to people who neglect or abuse their children. It is not a term used by Dutch authorities or Dutch media.

How 'bout a law that requires sterilization of men who sexually abuse and/or rape women/children?

I fully agree with you. In fact, I'd say castration would be better in such a case.

Sexual abuse is worse than being UNFIT if UNFIT is not defined in the Netherlands as sexual abuse.

As I said, the term "unfit" here refers to people who neglect or abuse their children. Sexual abuse is part of that definition.

Actually, how 'bout castrating priests who sexually abuse children in any country.

I'm all for that.

Like I said, so am I. Both issues are unrelated, though.

It's sterilized.

With a "z" and not an "s."

Sterilised (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sterilised) can also be written with an "s".