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nohope187
05-11-2005, 07:26 PM
Senate Passes Real ID: National ID Card On Its Way
U.S. Newswire | May 11, 2005
COMMENT:
The Senate has passed the Real ID bill, creating a backdoor national ID card. After weeks of activism directed towards them senators knew the full scale of this horror but voted for it 100-0 anyway. RELATED:
WASHINGTON, House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.), the author of the REAL ID Act (H.R. 418), issued the following statement following today's Senate passage of the supplemental appropriations conference report that included the REAL ID Act:
"The REAL ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks. By targeting terrorist travel, the REAL ID will assist in our War on Terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders. National ID Cards Won't Stop Terrorism or Illegal Immigration
REAL ID Act Passes in House, Heads to Senate
War bill shields I.D. Act from ax
HR 418 -- A National ID Bill Masquerading As Immigration Reform
Congress May Require Closer Scrutiny to Get a Driver's License
The Real ID card: the machine readable you

"I am grateful for the White House's strong support of this border security legislation. In addition, Senators Frist, McConnell, Santorum, Specter, Kyl, Sessions, Brownback, DeWine, and Cornyn were among those very helpful in shepherding this legislation through the Senate and I wish to thank them."
The truth is that Real ID does nothing to protect the borders and everything towards creating a national ID card.
Contact: Jeff Lungren or Terry Shawn, 202-225-2492, both of the Committee on the Judiciary; Web: http://judiciary.house.gov/
Visit CASPIAN's UnRealID.com website to take action now!

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 10:37 AM
National ID Passes Without Debate - :-o :-o :-o

Real ID Act Passed - The End Of America
http://www.rense.com/general65/realid.htm
8-)

05-12-2005, 03:12 PM
Nazi, fascist, communist, dictator pigs!!

A TOTALITARIAN government is what they desire!!

They needed a terrorist attack of great magnitude to lead us into a society of total domination and control.

The communist threat has always been here in America. Hiding under our desks as a children we were traumatized and now they've traumatized another generation with 911. As if JFK wasn't enough; Martin Luther, too.

The Patriot Act, I'm sure, was written long ago by members of the PNAC.

These men plan their operations decades in advance.

Implementing controls over our lives and the ability to search and seize without court order. Searching us at airports. In other words, we are all terrorists until proven otherwise. Stripping us of our power. Making us line up like sheep.

Our rights, our freedoms are being destroyed little by little and what the hell is the Senate doing about it? Nothing because they've all been blackmailed.

MKULTRA/Project Monarch, one of the mechanisms used to create control files on those in positions of power. A blackmail tool using children in this "cult" for these men's sexual deviant behavior. Drugging them, taking pictures. Senate seats for life. Vote for it or we'll make it public.

A world controlled by a "satanic cult." Oh, sure, the people say!!

Satanic cults don't exist. Why then do children report being the victims of one Michael Aquino, leader and master programmer of the Temple of Set and Project Monarch. Ex-Green Beret!!

The Franklin cover-up.

The people in this country are asleep!! Put to sleep long ago.

Wake up America!!!

Jimbo
05-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Power Grab :-o :-o :-o

On The Patriot Act, Civil Liberties, World Government, & The Schemes For The Confiscation Of Wealth
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1313&forum=27&post_id=10358
8-)

truebeliever
05-12-2005, 07:50 PM
Yes, but think of the "consumer convienence".

Come in suckers...they've been trying it here for a few years. They drop a few hints then back off when the letters to the editor flow.

Mawashi
05-12-2005, 09:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that if REAL ID succeeds in the US (here's hoping it fails miserably) something similar will work its way through here in Japan. The Japanese are far more docile than Americans, but then they might just surprise me!

truebeliever
05-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Hey WASH!

I thought the "little fingerless ones" had nabbed you for a ransom 'gyjin'?

Yes, who knows. Maybe they will surprise us. They certainly are pissed off at the U.S presence their and dont like being in Iraq.

Surely they'll have a go.

So much of building up China and India have to do with keeping Japan in it's place.

Should Japan ever take an independent stance...look out.

Whats the 'vibe' over there?

Mawashi
05-13-2005, 12:47 AM
Hi there David Brent! (I've just recently discovered the joys of "the office". Love it.

Went up to Tokyo for a week, and have just been a bit to busy to screw around on the net. Not abducted yet...

The vibe over here. Well, basically there's a big hoo-ha going on about that Japanese mercenary who disappeared the other day, and as such, Iraq is looking even more "scary" than it has in the past. The China situation seems to have died down for the time being, having fulfilled its purpose of distracting the populace while the governments of both countries were probably up to something sneaky.

Couldn't believe the cashless push going on in Tokyo. Lots of shops now have a facility for the Suica cashless train ticket and purchase system, and according to some vacant staff, it's quite popular. Plus there's plenty of cashless vending machines set up around the trendy parts of downtown Tokyo, as well as at the airports in Tokyo and Osaka. Many of them are using Sony's Edy system,, attached to mobil e phones and plastic cards. Adding to that the frequent advertorials posing as news on TV.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArrgggggghhhh.

Otherwise things are going well. Just looking forward to cricket on Sunday.

karenillar
05-21-2005, 10:40 PM
I swear men have lost it these days!!!!! You guys are out in another world, let's have a reality check here; just because women don't bow down at your feet than the whole world has gone bad, never do you ever blame yourselves, poor men always a women to blame, you may say the days of a true women are gone and I say real men are a thing of the past, go figure.

karenillar
05-22-2005, 08:54 AM
Well I figured I would get some kind-of statement back from you guys! Darn, on the ID card I just don't understand all the fuss you can go on the internet and get anything you want on a person just for a fee. Everything you say on the phone can be recorded and on the computer if they so want, I guess it's just a matter of pride. I have been in the military for many years and my ID,s have chips in them, I have had DNA samples taken years ago, security clearences it's not so bad, it's become a way of life. Don't you think that we have brought this on are selves!!!! Like the Roman Empire, a fall within. I am not saying everyone but a great majority, you get upset because people are comimg through are borders and taking jobs, well lots of Americans will not do manual labor it's below them to hard I might sweat to much! Or let's sue someone because I spilled hot coffee on myself, and on and on, this is a spoiled country we have taken to much for grantied and again I am not saying everyone, are goverment wants that power the greed and oil, at the expense of others, and many Americans would rather look the other way I do believe the good will prevail in the end but there is a long road to walk people are just going to have to change.

igwt
08-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Interesting article regarding ID cards.

The ID card and the ‘Mother of all Databases’

Peter Boyle

So what’s the fuss? Many of us carry in our wallet a Medicare card, a driver’s licence with photo, a bank card and a couple of maxed-out credit cards. So what’s one more little piece of plastic? The danger lies not in a card but in the mother of all databases that is behind a compulsory national ID card system.

In the wake of the London bombings, PM John Howard has floated introducing an Australian ID card. The Liberal-National Coalition opposed the ‘‘Australia Card’‘, which former PM Bob Hawke’s Labor government tried to introduce in the 1980s while tens of thousands of people demonstrated against it.

Howard then condemned it as an ‘‘intrusion of a draconian kind into the day-to-day lives of many people’‘. But now Howard and some of his ministers say it is time for a rethink.

‘‘The world is very, very different since then and maybe this is one of the things that is needed to be added to our armour’‘, said Howard before he flew off to the US to meet his best friend George Bush Jnr.

Queensland Labor Premier Peter Beattie rushed to support the introduction of an ID card. He told the ABC’s Insiders program of July 17, ‘‘The world has changed since the Australia Card debate took place in the Hawke days.

“We’ve had international terrorism; September 11 changed the world, frankly. In addition to that I think technology has changed. For example, people are used to using EFTPOS, ID is required to get any form of passport, you’ve got to prove it to open a bank card or get a bank account opened. I just think if we're going to deal with international terrorism ... we’ve got to have an ID system that actually works. In addition to that it will have other benefits as well.”

Federal Labor leader Kim Beazley brushed aside Howard’s comment as a “distraction” and “smokescreen” to cover the “bungling in the critical Immigration Department run by Ruddock and Vanstone”. But he hasn’t ruled out supporting an ID card.
Differences

Several Coalition politicians have expressed reservations and Chris Puplick, a former Liberal senator who served on the joint select committee on the Australia Card, and privacy commissioner of NSW from 1999 to 2003, has warned of this latest threat to civil liberties. (See <http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=3999>)

“There are several new reasons that were not fully apparent 20 years ago, and these issues make me even more fearful of national ID systems”, he says.

“To be effective, cards would need biometric identification, and anyone familiar with the privacy issues arising from the genetic revolution would have cause for concern. Identity fraud has in recent years become a major area of criminal activity — a national ID card system will only help it flourish. The data-matching power of computers has grown exponentially, raising questions of profiling of individuals without their knowledge or consent. Hacking puts our ‘secure’ records at risk, even jury lists get into wrong hands.

“Should 20 million Australians have their liberties trashed so that we might — I repeat might — detect the two or three mad jihadists in our midst? Will files now be created on the basis that people belong to a certain religion, attend particular places of worship or hold specific political opinions?”
Won’t stop terrorism

The July 20 Sydney Morning Herald reported that Bruce Schneier, an internationally renowned security technologist, points out that a national ID card program will not help to combat terrorism because knowing who someone is and divining their intentions are two very different things.

He said national ID systems merely serve as a means of control for governments. In 2004, Privacy International published the findings of the only research ever conducted on the relationship between identity cards and terrorism.

It said: “The detailed analysis of information in the public domain in this study has produced no evidence to establish a connection between identity cards and successful anti-terrorism measures. Terrorists have traditionally moved across borders using tourist visas (such as those who were involved in the US terrorist attacks), or they are domicile and are equipped with legitimate identification cards (such as those who carried out the Madrid bombings) ...

“Of the 25 countries that have been most adversely affected by terrorism since 1986, eighty per cent have national identity cards, one third of which incorporate biometrics. This research was unable to uncover any instance where the presence of an identity card system in those countries was seen as a significant deterrent to terrorist activity.”
‘Smart’ cards

Meanwhile in Britain, PM Tony Blair’s Labour government is pushing through a multi-billion-pound national ID card scheme, despite significant opposition. Twenty Labour MPs voted against the bill in its second reading in the House of Commons on June 28, and it has been rejected by the Scottish National Parliament.

NO2ID, one of the groups campaigning against the British ID card, has a website that explains very clearly the dangers of such an ID system. While there are no details of the sort of ID card that the Howard government may bring in, the British ID card provides a glimpse of the sort of model the government bureaucrats in Canberra have been secretly developing.

According to the July 19 Australian a new Medicare card, to be distributed to 11 million Australians next year, could become the blueprint for a new national identity card. A leaked cabinet submission, prepared by the attorney-general’s department and obtained by the Australian, also shows it was considered as part of a broader anti-terrorism strategy.

The new Medicare “smart cards” could include a photograph of the holder on the front of the card, or stored on an embedded microchip, and its use may be expanded to become a “government services” card.

A microchip that can store a photograph can also store biometric measures of identity such as fingerprints, iris scans and signatures. Most ID card experts agree that without biometrics a card would be easy to forge.

Blair’s ID card proposal was first floated in 2003 as an “entitlement card” system; people in Britain would need to get one to access government services such as public health, education and welfare. Now it has evolved into a general ID card that proves “registrable facts” about individuals for purposes of “national security”, “the prevention or detection of crime”, “the enforcement of immigration controls”, “the enforcement of prohibitions on unauthorised working or employment” and “securing the efficient and effective provision of public services”.

The British ID card bill sets out more than 50 categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation) including: name; other previous names or aliases; date and place of birth, and, if the person has died, the date of death; address and previous addresses; times of residency at these addresses; current residential status and residential statuses previously held; photograph; fingerprints; other biometrics (e.g. iris recognition); signature; nationality; entitlement to remain in Britain; passport numbers; work permit numbers; and driver’s licence.

There is no provision for parliament to decide what information will be stored in or on the “smart” card. This will be left to the discretion of the Home Office.
‘Mother of all Databases’

According to NO2ID, the most dangerous aspect of the ID Bill is the National Identity Register — “the Mother of all Databases”.

Under the British bill, police organisations, the security services, the tax department, the Department for Work and Pensions, and customs and excise can have access to this register.

No comparable register operates (officially at least) anywhere in the world, according to a study by the London School of Economics <http://is.lse.ac.uk/idcard/identityreport.pdf> which estimated it would cost between £10.6 billion and £19.2 billion to roll out. That’s about £300 per person.

Ideas floated to defray the massive cost of the British ID card have included selling “verification services” to private companies and outsourcing the input of biometric and other personal data to cheaper contractors in Mumbai, India.

NO2ID points out that no European country has such a comprehensive or invasive card system. As in Australia, the New Zealand public rejected similar proposals outright in 1991 and, following widespread criticism, Canada abandoned its proposed biometric ID card system in early 2004. ID card proposals have always been rejected by the United States Congress.

Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand have card systems very similar to that being pushed by the Blair government. China is moving rapidly in this direction with the development of a compulsory ID database and card system, but abandoned the biometric element after it concluded that the technology was unworkable with large populations. The US military in Iraq is developing a similar card and biometric system to control access to Fallujah, while the UNHCR has deployed an iris biometric system to control refugee traffic across the Pakistan-Afghan border.

From Green Left Weekly, July 27, 2005

Draken
09-03-2005, 01:49 PM
The multi-purpose card is the latest version of our perpetually metamorphosing IC. With an embedded smart chip, it can also store our medical history, driver's license, act as an ATM card, serve as an electronic purse and even be used at the National Library. This will be a likely scenario when ordering pizzas in the near future...

Operator: "Thank you for calling Pizza Hut. May I have your..."

Customer: "Helloo, may I order.."

Operator: "May I have your multi-purpose card number first, Sir?"

Customer: "It's eh..., hold on...... its 6102049998-45-54610"

Operator: "OK... you're... Mr Singh and you're calling from 17 Jalan Kayu. Your home number is 40942366, your office 7645 2302 and your mobile is 014-266 2566. Which number are you calling from now Sir?

Customer: "Home! How did you get all my phone numbers?"

Operator: "We are connected to the system Sir"

Customer: "May I order your Seafood Pizza..."

Operator: "That's not a good idea Sir"

Customer: "How come?"

Operator: "According to your medical records, you have high blood pressure and even higher cholesterol level Sir"

Customer: "What?... What do you recommend then?"

Operator: "Try our Low Fat Hokkien Mee Pizza. You'll like it."
Customer: "How do you know for sure?"

Operator: "You borrowed a book entitled "Popular Hokkien Dishes" from the National Library last week Sir."

Customer: "OK I give up... Give me three family size ones then, how much will that cost?

Operator: "That should be enough for your family of 10, Sir. The total is $49.99

Customer: "May I pay with my credit card?"

Operator: "I'm afraid you have to pay us cash, Sir. Your credit card is over the limit and you owe your bank $3720.55 since October last year. Thats not including the late payment charges on your housing loan, Sir.

Customer: "I guess I have to run to the neighbourhood ATM and withdraw some cash before the delivery guy arrives."

Operator: "You can't Sir. Based on the records, you've reached your daily limit on machine withdrawal today."

Customer: "Never mind just send the pizzas; I'll have the cash ready. How long is it gonna take anyway?"

Operator: "About 45 minutes Sir, but if you can't wait you can always come and collect it on your motorcycle..."

Customer: " What?????!"

Operator: "According to the details in system, you own a Scooterwith registration number E1123..."

Customer: " *'! ^ *%^**%^I7*"

Operator: "Better watch your language Sir. Remember on 15th July 1987 you were convicted of using abusive language on a policeman!

Customer: [Speechless]

Operator: "Is there anything else Sir?"

Customer: "Nothing... by the way... aren't you giving me that 3 free bottles of cola as advertised?"

Operator: "We normally would Sir, but based on your records you're also diabetic....... "

igwt
09-03-2005, 02:59 PM
Draken wrote:
The multi-purpose card is the latest version of our perpetually metamorphosing IC. With an embedded smart chip, it can also store our medical history, driver's license, act as an ATM card, serve as an electronic purse and even be used at the National Library. This will be a likely scenario when ordering pizzas in the near future...

Operator: "Thank you for calling Pizza Hut. May I have your..."

Customer: "Helloo, may I order.."

Operator: "May I have your multi-purpose card number first, Sir?"

Customer: "It's eh..., hold on...... its 6102049998-45-54610"

Operator: "OK... you're... Mr Singh and you're calling from 17 Jalan Kayu. Your home number is 40942366, your office 7645 2302 and your mobile is 014-266 2566. Which number are you calling from now Sir?

Customer: "Home! How did you get all my phone numbers?"

Operator: "We are connected to the system Sir"

Customer: "May I order your Seafood Pizza..."

Operator: "That's not a good idea Sir"

Customer: "How come?"

Operator: "According to your medical records, you have high blood pressure and even higher cholesterol level Sir"

Customer: "What?... What do you recommend then?"

Operator: "Try our Low Fat Hokkien Mee Pizza. You'll like it."
Customer: "How do you know for sure?"

Operator: "You borrowed a book entitled "Popular Hokkien Dishes" from the National Library last week Sir."

Customer: "OK I give up... Give me three family size ones then, how much will that cost?

Operator: "That should be enough for your family of 10, Sir. The total is $49.99

Customer: "May I pay with my credit card?"

Operator: "I'm afraid you have to pay us cash, Sir. Your credit card is over the limit and you owe your bank $3720.55 since October last year. Thats not including the late payment charges on your housing loan, Sir.

Customer: "I guess I have to run to the neighbourhood ATM and withdraw some cash before the delivery guy arrives."

Operator: "You can't Sir. Based on the records, you've reached your daily limit on machine withdrawal today."

Customer: "Never mind just send the pizzas; I'll have the cash ready. How long is it gonna take anyway?"

Operator: "About 45 minutes Sir, but if you can't wait you can always come and collect it on your motorcycle..."

Customer: " What?????!"

Operator: "According to the details in system, you own a Scooterwith registration number E1123..."

Customer: " *'! ^ *%^**%^I7*"

Operator: "Better watch your language Sir. Remember on 15th July 1987 you were convicted of using abusive language on a policeman!

Customer: [Speechless]

Operator: "Is there anything else Sir?"

Customer: "Nothing... by the way... aren't you giving me that 3 free bottles of cola as advertised?"

Operator: "We normally would Sir, but based on your records you're also diabetic....... "

LOL so true