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DarkChilde3D
01-08-2005, 03:02 PM
with the alleged corruption of the police forces of the world, as well as the government, I think it would be a handy thing to know what the signals of the masons are.

This way we can spot the bullshit as it unfolds . . . or even get out of a speeding ticket now and then. Use the Devil's tools against him, basically.

I know that there is at LEAST one former menber of the freemasons on this site . . . he publicly proclaimed it himself.

Who else thinks that this person should come forward and tell us how to spot this kind of behaviour?

nohope187
01-08-2005, 03:15 PM
Well, since you're inquiring, I'll tell you.

Hand-shake of recognition: when someone shakes your hand and presses his thumb against your hand twice during the shake, you know he's a mason.

signal of distress: cross arms with hands open flat on upper chest with fingers touching collar bone. This is the one signal that if you're a mason who's in deep shit with the law, the mason who's in government who recognizes this basically does everthing in their power to bail them out.- the good ol' boy network.

That's all I know. :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 03:17 PM
for example of the signal of distress, find a video clip of the Manson trail.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 04:43 PM
Then there's the loud and proud Masons who wear the jewelry-rings/pendants and have bumber stickers on their vehicle. They either know what's going on and are playing stupid or they really don't know what's going on 'cause junior levels don't really explain much except the oath to protect other members and basic ritual for meetings and the signs of recognition and distress. I did'nt wake up to the NWO till 2000.
I was in junior masonry back in 1992 and '93.

DarkChilde3D
01-08-2005, 04:58 PM
Are there any other symbols to look for? Such as symbols on businesses that are indiscernable to the untrained eye, that another mason would spot immediately?

An example of this . . . I know that a rainbow on a bar means it is a gay bar . . . is there something similar or resemblant to this on a masonic-member-owned business? Would there be other marks on business cards, etc?

nohope187
01-08-2005, 05:11 PM
Well, besides the "Compass G", there's the pentagram without the circle around it and each leg of the star is a different color. There's also the upright triangle- symbol of fire inside a circle for protection or casting spells with some weird design inside the triangle, I don't remember what it looks like. They have these three symbols visible outside of most Masonic temples. There's one a mile down the road from where I live.

sablefish
01-08-2005, 05:52 PM
nohope.. Just for no reason I was at the Manson trial.. I was a folksinger outside the courthouse.. singing for spare change, and a bunch of Charlie's Angels liked my act and convinced my to try and smuggle my guitar into the courtroom.. "Charlie could defend himself in court if he had a guitar" they said. He was basically a folksinger.. So the chicks talked me into trying to barge my guitar thru the courtroom doors.. It didn't work out the cops stopped me... But I tried.

I was there.

Eventually after the trial they came over to visit in Venice California.. I was a friend of the court illustrator. Ms. Davis.. who lived across the street..

I had them in my front room in front of the fireplace at one time.. With X's carved freshly in their foreheads and blood on their knees from crawling on all fours to the ocean beach, from the central L.A. Courthouse... My wife (Rita)had me usher them out of the house after awhile.

I was a Hollywood guru at one time.. but changed my act from false prophet to Punky the Clown in 1970.. There was only room for one person claiming to be God at the time in Hollywood.. And he had his Angels..

And it was a very spooky business to be in.. The "I am Jesus, I am God, I am Satan," business.. allows for only one very protected and jealous God..to exist...alive.

The problem with the God business is that.. "If I can put a bullet thru your head.. You ain't God."
It's a very tough business to be in.



Believe it or not.
google check.. Manson trial court illustrator.. find out if she is still living.. give her a ringle.. and ask her about Richard/Punky in Venice in 1969... I have no reason to B.S. you nohope. I was there.

I used to hang out at the Monkies house, and have jammed with Brian Wilson.. Who also was in the Manson sphere.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 06:07 PM
I'll take your word for it. Reason why I used the Manson case as an example is 'cause he flashed the symbol of distress to the judge and that's why Manson still lives today. As for Brian Wilson, you're talkin' about the former Beach Boy's songwriter turned libertarian talk show host on Neocon talk radio, right? I used to listen to him on KSFO when I lived in Cali. :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 06:09 PM
Does'nt he have his own website? I think it's brainwilson.net or somethin' like that? :-P

madkhao
01-08-2005, 06:13 PM
DC, type in trine day books in the search box, or symbols. We had a whole wack of these symbols which you seek listed a while ago. I would post it here for you if my pc wasn't a piece of sh

sablefish
01-08-2005, 06:17 PM
I had no idea that Manson was a Mason.. Tell me more about this ..if you would.. the plot is thickening.
do you have a link?

Very interesting.. I thought he was a jailbird, bi sexual, drug abuser.. with illusions of grandeur.

If what you are saying is true.. It all fits in.. Mind control over the angels..the whole works.. Show me the link.. I can't wait.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 06:22 PM
Oh shit. um... I've read so much lately, I forgot where I read it but, try running Manson and Masonry on Google.

sablefish
01-08-2005, 06:28 PM
Okie Dokie.

sablefish
01-08-2005, 06:41 PM
Manson was a spook? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread36865/pg1)

It is well known that followers of Charles Manson committed the Tate-LaBianca during the late 1960's. If one examines the case closely, it becomes obvious that Manson used mind-control techniques such as hypnotism, LSD, and other types of mental programming to turn middle-class suburbanites into selfless killers, but one has to wonder just exactly how Manson was able to accomplish this?

Consider that Manson was part of the hippie movement at the time of the CIA's project, MKULTRA, which implemented the use of drugs in order to conduct mind control experiments.

It appears that part of Manson's own supply of LSD may have come directly from the CIA. A new type of LSD known as "Orange Sunshine"

I used to like "Orange Sunshine".. It melted in your mouth like cotton candy.

I am an old dog who has not used L.S.D. for twenty years.. Yet it was an eye opener.

sablefish
01-08-2005, 06:44 PM
nohope.. Tell me about the hand signals that he gave the Judge.. The crossed arms thingie.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Okay, checkout Konformicy.com for that bit about Manson and Freemasonry. He wasn't a Mason but, somewhow, he was able to study their ritual, signs and symbols in prison. :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 06:51 PM
You could say Manson knew enough about Freemasonry that it was the ol' boys club but, I don't think he was aware of any NWO implications. :-P

sablefish
01-08-2005, 07:07 PM
So he advanced in the knowledge of evil without having to go thru the bullsh*t..

An evil man took a shortcut.. and figured it out.. without a bunch of Rotary meetings and payments to get to the next level..

I know how he did it... and I have no formal training.. Yet, I know how to use mind control.. and yet it is evil.
Any believer in Judaism, Christianity or Islam.. should freak at the idea of mind control.. and yet that is what they all do.. all three religions

And the sheep of the Monotheists are happy and contented..(they say).. Even though, the wolves are biting at their lambs necks..

"Oh.. everthing is O.K." Say the Sheppard's of our three flocks.. as more wolves gather and.. Howell at the Moon... for more blood of the sheep.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 07:11 PM
Basically, yeah, that's it. what a feast it will be, eh? :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 07:47 PM
Orange Sunshine? aaaahhh, good times! :-P

sablefish
01-08-2005, 07:51 PM
I think he was anti NWO.. and when he made an enemies list of a bunch of CEOs of Multinational Corporations that were destroying the earth.. That is the reason why they threw him away for ever..

Enemy of the State..same kind of deal... in the new language.. a Terroritst Mastermind..Manson bin Laden...

Yep... Everything that is going wrong with this country is because of Him.. That vile and evil person.. "Manson is destroying the U.S. while still in a prison cell"..

"He, and He alone, must be the reason why the U.S. government is losing the War On Terrorism"..

"We must hang Charlie from a cross and torture him as an example of what can happen if.. you start naming names of who controls the NWO".. and especially so if you put their names and address's on a hit list.. for your "Angels to visit"

I don't think Charlie liked the NWO so much.

Good for him.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 07:55 PM
Hey, that reminds me of the time I walked into this start-up church at the university into one of their services and they called themselves the Herbal Methodists and a joint was passed around during communion-"Jesus said, do this in rememberance of me"- toke toke toke.. Whoa, man!
Thaaaaank yoooooooou, Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesuuuuuus, dude! :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 08:00 PM
Oh sorry, unrelated to manson topic. my bad.

nohope187
01-08-2005, 08:14 PM
Was'nt Manson also a student of Aleister Crowley? :-P

sablefish
01-08-2005, 08:17 PM
nohope...... Forget Manson... What kinds of hand signls do these guys use.. What about the the "fork you sign".. where it is the little finger, and the index finger extended... The thumb connecting to the second and third fingers.

You know what I mean.. What does that sign mean..

And I saw a picture of Clinton, Bush Sr,. and Bush Jr. together.. and saw Clinton using his pinkie finger. stroking upward on Bush Sr's pinkie finger.. Bush Sr. seemed delighted?.. What does that hand signal mean? Is this anything to worry about?

nohope187
01-08-2005, 08:23 PM
That's just common devil's horns. kids at rock concerts do that all the time. :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 08:28 PM
As for that Bush Sr./Clinton bit, maybe their gay lovers- I have no fucking clue what that's all about. :-P

nohope187
01-08-2005, 08:42 PM
Yeah, everbody come ask the great maha-nohopie
about essoteric bullshit. I know it all! Not. :-P

freeman
01-09-2005, 07:00 AM
I weighed in late on this topic, because I wanted to show you the exact information, gleaned straight from Masonic manuals. Unfortunately, Freemasonwatch has once again been taken offline by our fraternal friends, so the best I can do is this Google cache:

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The Secret Grip of a Master Mason:
It's a regular handshake, except that you press your thumb against the base joints between the index finger and middle finger of the man you are shaking hands with. It looks pretty much like any other handshake; only the men shaking hands can feel the difference. The correct response is to ask if this grip has name and then "syllable it" with the shakee until the password of a Master Mason is arrived at.



The Secret Password of a Entered Apprentice
The password of the 1st degree, or the 'Entered Apprentice' degree is 'Boaz'.



The Secret Password of a FellowCraft
The password of the 'Second Degree', or 'Fellowcraft Degree' is 'Shibboleth'.



The Secret Password of a Master Mason:
'Tubal Cain' is the password of a Master Mason, which is the 'Third Degree'. Some of the more obtuse and perverse masons wear a tie stickpin or lapel pin called "Two Balls and Cane" in the sicko shape of a phallic cane with a "ball" on either side of it. We don't imagine they let their wives in on this one, apparently they are told to tell them if they ask about it that it has something to do with Golfing! "Brotherly Love" don't you know. See the last section below for who Tubal-Cain was, and what that says about the nature of Freemasonry .



The Substitute Word of a Master Mason
During the blood chilling initiation of "being given the third degree", the candidate is told the "Master's Word" has been lost and instead a "substitute word" is whispered into his ear, "Mah Ha Bone".



The Secret Word:
Not to be confused with the password. The Word (always capitalized) is so secret that initiates are taught it one letter at a time. First they learn A, then O, then M, and finally I. The Word is IAOM.

You never get a straight story as to what it means. As best as anyone can figure, it is the ineffable name of god, or some approximation thereof. The Word (or Name) is a tongue-twister. It takes some practice to get it right. The following pronunciation guide is from Masonry and Its Symbols in the Light of Thinking and Destiny by Harold Waldwin Percival:

The Name is pronounced as follows: It is started by opening the lips with an "ee" sound graduating into a broad "a" as the mouth opens wider with lips forming an oval shape and then graduating the sound to "o" as the lips form a circle, and again modulating to an "m" sound as the lips close to a point. This point resolves itself to a point within the head. Expressed phonetically the Name is "EE-Ah-Oh-Mmm" and is pronounced with one continuous out-breathing with a slight nasal tone in the manner described above. It can be correctly and properly expressed with its full power only by one who has brought his physical body to a state of perfection... Note: this "word" or letter sequences is very similar if not identical to the ones contained in prayers of the Gnostics in the Nag Hamadi Library recovered from the sands of Egypt in 1945 (not to be confused with the Dead Sea Scrolls recovered from the sands of Judea in 1947).



The "High Sign" or Grand Masonic Hailing Sign of Distress
A phrase or gesture which is only to be used in extreme circumstances is the Grand Masonic Hailing Sign of Distress, or "High Sign". A Masonic defendant in court or "caught in the pinch" might bury his head in his hands and cry, "Oh Lord, my God, is there no help for the widow's son?"

The gesture which can accompany this is for the mason to raise his arms over his heads in a "hands up" fashion and then lower them in three distinct stages pivoting his arms at the elbows until they are perpendicular to the ground keeping his palms down.

Any Mason seeing this gesture or hearing these words is oath bound to do anything possible to save the other Mason from danger, up to, but not including, the loss of his own life.

_________________________________________________

Having never been a mason (praise the Lord), I am by no means completely familiar with their luciferian secrets, but the grand hailing sign of distress described here is the one I have seen numeorus times, usually in legal or courtroom settings. I believe this is the sign utilized by upper level Masons (the ones who have advanced beyond the first few degrees). The one that nohope describes (which I believe was also used by Manson in court) is revealed to the lower level recruits (understandable since nohope says he didn't stick around enough to earn his complete set of horns and pitchfork).
As you progress within the evil hierarchy of Freemasonry, more and more of their penricious, evil secrets are revealed to you. It is strictly elitist, hence the lower level recruits are provided with "inferior" information compared to their superiors.
Without rehashing all of the links and research I did, it is pretty obvious that Charles Manson was first intorduced to the world of freemasonry in prison, since the sad truth is that more convicts are currently being converted to The Craft than Christianity. Then it appears that Manson joined some sort of Freemasonic New Age splinter group operating out of San Francisco during the '60s hippie movement in Haight
Ashbury.
Finally I would add that the pervasiveness of Freemasonry's corrupting influence is underrated by almost everyone, including much of their membership. Not only have they secured all professional, bureaucratic and positions of leadershiop within Western society (police, judges, corporate and religious leaders, politicians, etc.), but they have also infiltrated most religious cults and splinter groups, usually at the highest level.
Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Quakers, Mennonites, and yes, even those delightfully regressive Amish folk are ALL controlled by Freemasonic leadership. (Come on, how else did you think these groups could get away with separating themselves from governemnt control, in many cases not even paying taxes? Just look what happened to David Koresh when he actually tried to sever all ties with the system, if you have any doubts about what I'm saying. No way are these groups going to be allowed to exist unimpeded unless they are just more fronts for the Illuminati and NWO, sorry.)
That about covers my response to this question. If anyone else has any additions or corrections, feel free. I don't pretend that my knowledge of the Evil Craft is complete, just completely sickening.

madkhao
01-09-2005, 11:37 AM
Signs and symbols link

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm

BOOGA! BOOGA! BOOGA!

billiard
01-09-2005, 04:33 PM
you guys are way off track . my dad was a mason ond was the grand master for a one year term . he doesn't go anymore and then he was unaware of government conspiracy stuff as now he is even more paranoid than i am , but he says the 33rd degree mason ,which he had never heard of, is by invitation only and no one else even knows there is such a thing . they are just a bunch of guys going to lodge,perhaps more astute than the local moose lodge ,but not all that different . a few generations ago that may not have been the case ,but today masons are not really an issue. however ,due to their secrecy, it's a good place for those 33rd degree guys to hide. the membership doesn't even know about them .

marypopinz
01-09-2005, 05:30 PM
I was watching a BBC doc. last night on CBC called The Secret Policeman - the undercover story that rocked the British public, was how it was advertised and sold.

The truth the show highlighted was that racist people very often gravitate towards policing and since the higher ups in the force are racist and not going anywhere, the force is, in general, racist.

What they didn't mention was masonry... not a peep.

Having a good mate of mine on the Metropolitan force in London, I was taught that if you weren't part of that little clique and more importantly, if you went against or rattled their cages, a thorough knee-capping was offer by said superior Masonic policing force.

My friend transferred.

My two cents.

XXX

nohope187
01-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Like I said before, esoteric bullshit. :-P

Draken
01-11-2005, 01:32 AM
Hey Mary! ;-)

I read somewhere that they don't hire Asian people in the English police force because the Freemasons are afraid of being infiltrated by the Chinese Triads!
Any thoughts?

nohope187
01-11-2005, 09:31 PM
Okay everyone, your homework for today is to go to infowars.com and read the article about Ben Franklin and his occultic freemasonry ties. :-P

Yeoshua
01-13-2005, 06:15 AM
People - you are all wrong!

None of these signs or tokens are correct.

I am a Master Mason of a UGLE recognised lodge, not an American lodge which are losely base around Freemasonry and mostly not recognised by UGLE as legitimate.

I swore an oath to not divulge any of the secrets of Freemasonry, and as a man of honour I never will, but may I suggest that you correct yourselves by going to: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

And stop with the speculation and conjecture.

get_real
01-13-2005, 07:20 AM
Hello Darkchild:
Read that you posted a question of whether there are Masonic symbols in businesses. Well, here it goes: do you shop at "Target". Have a nice day.
get_real :-o

Yeoshua
01-13-2005, 07:34 AM
There are Masonic symbols in business and architecture everywhere!

The City of Bath UK
The Trafford Centre (Shopping Centre) Manchester UK
Washington DC
Rosslyn Chappel Edinburgh UK

So what of it? Masons? Stoneguilds? Architects? Cathedral Builders?

But as we are not operative masons, but rather free and speculative..........

Yours

Aye

marypopinz
01-13-2005, 01:02 PM
Draken

It is my assumption that many G8 nations have a white aryan style force with a few Uncle Tom's for the media's sake and their style is Nazi.

The British force may as well be a banner for the BNP. British national party - nazi by nature.

I haven't heard anything on that Triad front and I'm certain their is truth their. The less I know about them, the more I like it. Know what I mean? They are very dangerous people - highly skilled, motivated and intelligent. Yikes.

Mary XXX

FugitiveEye
01-15-2005, 07:33 PM
Hi folks, newby here. With the talk of Charles Manson, I thought some of you might find the following article interesting reading. (If you don't know who Mae Brussell-the author- is, you would benefit by taking some time to become familiar with her work.She's considered the "mother of conspiracy theory")

From Monterey Pop to Altamont
OPERATION CHAOS
The CIA's War Against the Sixties Counter-Culture
by Mae Brussell, November 1976

Mae Brussell: Operation Chaos (http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Operation%20Chaos.html)

marypopinz
01-15-2005, 08:11 PM
Glad to read you, Fugi

Great site to read

It appears that music is a really big threat to the politicals... they keep bumping out the political messengers of song... most interesting...

Mary XXX

madkhao
01-15-2005, 08:12 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/050105laurabush.jpg

spiderman spiderman does whatever a spider can

marypopinz
01-15-2005, 08:20 PM
WTF mate? You gotta laugh...

XXX

KSigMason
10-22-2008, 09:28 PM
Well, I'm glad to see none of the real modes of recognition are not here for the cowans to grab.

I do know the them being a Master Mason.

If you really want to know who the Masons are just look at them or their cars. I know many who have stickers, personalized plates, rings, ties, hats, etc.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 09:43 PM
Well, I'm glad to see none of the real modes of recognition are not here for the cowans to grab.

I do know the them being a Master Mason.

If you really want to know who the Masons are just look at them or their cars. I know many who have stickers, personalized plates, rings, ties, hats, etc.

In order to look at a FREEMASON, I'll need to know how to recognize one.

Do they have a tatoo or something on their forehead?

What kind of cars do they drive?

What kind of stickers do they have on their cars?

Does the sticker say, "I'm a Freemason?"

or

"I'm a Worshipful Master?"

So, I'm looking for personalized plates?

What kind of rings?

What kind of ties?

What kind of hats?

Freemason rings, ties and hats?

Can you post some pictures so I know what I'm looking for?

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:27 PM
In order to look at a FREEMASON, I'll need to know how to recognize one.
Well some do have tattoos, but mostly just the square and compass symbol will do. Seeing the Shriner's sign is also a sure sign of a Mason.

Can you post some pictures so I know what I'm looking for?
CAR ACCESSORIES (http://www.freemasonstore.com/index.php?cPath=1)

RINGS (http://www.freemasonstore.com/index.php?cPath=101)

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:33 PM
Well some do have tattoos, but mostly just the square and compass symbol will do. Seeing the Shriner's sign is also a sure sign of a Mason.


CAR ACCESSORIES (http://www.freemasonstore.com/index.php?cPath=1)

RINGS (http://www.freemasonstore.com/index.php?cPath=101)

I'll be on the look-out cause I can't wait to see a Freemason in person.

What a racquet.

Look at the merchandise they sell their members.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:34 PM
I'll be on the look-out cause I can't wait to see a Freemason in person.
Why?

What a racquet.

Look at the merchandise they sell their members.
Well, it's not required to buy any of it.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Why?


Well, it's not required to buy any of it.

Sarcasm.

Learn to recognize it.

KSigMason
12-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Sarcasm.

Learn to recognize it.
Freemasons - learn to recognize them.

BlueAngel
12-04-2008, 10:45 PM
Freemasons - learn to recognize them.

Why would I want to recognize a Freemason?

I have better things to do with my life than be on the look-out for MEN wearing Freemason rings and/or driving cars with Freemason stickers on them.

BlueAngel
04-05-2009, 09:19 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/050105laurabush.jpg

spiderman spiderman does whatever a spider can

Oh, yeah.

I always flash the sign of the "devil's horns" as Laura Bush is displaying when I wave hello.

Seriously, folks.

How many adults do you encounter in your day to day life who flash the "devil's horns" at you?

When we see pictures of folks flashing the "devil's horns," it is, most times, politicians from around the world; musicians and those who are connected to the elite.

KSigMason
04-05-2009, 11:39 PM
Oh, yeah.

I always flash the sign of the "devil's horns" as Laura Bush is displaying when I wave hello.

Seriously, folks.

How many adults do you encounter in your day to day life who flash the "devil's horns" at you?

When we see pictures of folks flashing the "devil's horns," it is, most times, politicians from around the world; musicians and those who are connected to the elite.
You have to love photoshop.

BlueAngel
04-05-2009, 11:45 PM
You have to love photoshop.

Yep.

Every photograph of every person in the world waving the "devil's horns" has been photoshopped.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Wanna buy it?

reptile
04-13-2009, 04:15 AM
I was just reading the post regarding folding your arms being a Masonic sign, and it reminded me of my visit to Rosslyn Chapel, there was a story carved in to a stone freeze,there was about 6 or 7 small pictures in total, but unfortunately there was no official explanation of the carvings.

One of the carvings was of a man with his arms folded across his chest, just as described in the earlier post, and Roslyn is well known for its Templar/Masonic connections over the last few hundred year or so.

In another part of the Chapple, there is a stone carving of a Maze plant, of the type grown in South America, strangely the Chapel was built before America was discovered, which of course tells us the history we were taught is incorrect.

The Chapple was built as an exact scaled down model of the Temple that once stood in Jerusalem, but was flatened during an invasion of the time. It is known that the original Temple in Jerusalm had underground vaults, and when Archiologists scanned the floor of Rosslyn with electronic equipment it clearly showed the vaults exactly the same as the original temple below.

There has been nothing done to excavate the floors since the scan, i wonder why?

Rumour has it that the vaults contain the the skull of Jesus or some other Holy relic.

Any one here been to Rosslyn?

There is also a Templar Castle at Rosslyn which unlike any other Castle, is built in a small gully, and can not be seen from any direction. until you are right on top of it, Prince Charles, and various other Royals have actually stayed there at various times., i was lucky enough to get a guided tour by the lady in charge of the Castle, her name is Pamy, she's a lovely lady indeed.

She told me that there is a tunnel out of the Castle that ends quite some miles away, for am emergency escape route.

Places to Visit - Rosslyn Chapel (http://www.rampantscotland.com/visit/blvisitrosslyn.htm)


Rosslyn_Chapel (http://www.kellymoore.net/Rosslyn_Chapel.html)

BlueAngel
04-16-2009, 08:26 PM
No.

We don't know for sure what these hand gestures mean, but I'd surmise that they are harmless.

I would propose, however, that those who wave them do more harm than the gestures themselves.

aussietinfoilhat
04-30-2009, 08:05 PM
I'll take your word for it. Reason why I used the Manson case as an example is 'cause he flashed the symbol of distress to the judge and that's why Manson still lives today. As for Brian Wilson, you're talkin' about the former Beach Boy's songwriter turned libertarian talk show host on Neocon talk radio, right? I used to listen to him on KSFO when I lived in Cali. :-P

Do you have any photographic or videographic evidence of him using this 'symbol of distress'?