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Jimbo
05-20-2005, 12:30 AM
Mind Control - MKULTRA - :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”.


BlueAngel Wrote:

I'm here, JIMBO, alive, walking this planet, a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and for that I am THANKFUL!!!

Mind Control is a SUBJECT of great concern to me because it involves more than just "programming" a slave for some future mission.

When one thinks of mind control they usually equate it to a Manchurian Candidate. That does not even cover the spectrum of what is involved in their programs; particuarly Project Monarch, which is trauma-based.

I know that government conspiracies are real. I know that our government is corrupt. Both parties. So, if that was their goal for my future, I have no allegiance to either.

I have allegiance to my country. The America that should be!

Maybe people do lie to themselves to mask the reality that they lived, but as far as mind control victims are concerned most times the reality that they lived is so horrific that blocking it was the only way they survived.

THEY DO NOT REMEMBER and, therefore, are not lying to themselves or anyone else. They can have dozens of alters. Psychological warfare ensues.

Coupled with hypnosis, electricshock, drugs, sleep, water, food, sensory deprivation, etc., etc., etc., false memories implanted doesn't really allow all of the REAL memories and the entire picture to evolve once a victim/survivor is triggered into remembering their past abuse and incarceration in one of these programs.

Trauma too horrible for the mind to endure is FORGOTTEN. Compartmentalized. This, the only way for mind control victims to survive the abuse. The brain's self-defense.

I was replying to NOMAD about the "Whiz Kid" and just making some general remarks as to memories I have as a child that seemed to parallel his experience. I was interested in his story and the fact that he was institutionalized because he was a threat to THEM and not himself.

I'd ultimately LOVE to interview him.

JIMBO, I'm 48 years old...soon to be 49. I only uncovered this past life of mine about four years ago.

That, my friend, is the essence and depth of mind control. The victim is unaware for decades that they were sujected to such vicious manipulation, control and abuse.

When the memories surface, the question remains for those who are alive and were not killed or snuffed out in porn films. WHY?

I admire Henry's work. And, by the way, I say "Oh, Henry," like the candy bar.

I know that there are many more like him who have been working behind the scenes for decades to uncover this CULT.

I am open to feedback and any answers you may have are certainly welcome!!

InPeace,
BlueAngel


Wow,... that's pretty wild. I have read about MKULTRA before, sometimes articles written by survivors like yourself, but I never thought I was going to meet anyone that had gone through like what you just described. A lot of bizarre stuff happening in our world. I’m speechless,…

I am kind of tired now, but perhaps another time I’ll have the mental energy to continue…

Here are some links you might find interesting.

How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml

The Montauk Project Exposed
"The MONTAUK PROJECT: Underground Videos cover many topics not revealed in the Montauk books. Some topics include: Montauk Project, Crashed Saucers, Paranormal, Brainwashing, Mind Control, Telepathy, Teleportation, Space Time, UFO's, Time Travel, ...and the involvement in the project with Nicola Tesla, Von Neumann, Albert Einstein, Wilhelm Reich, John Huchenson, David Hilbert,The Rainbow Project, Philadelphia Experiment Invisibility, Phoenix Project, ...and Alien Physics: Extra-Terrestrials Contact, Psychic & Metaphysics, Future Reincarnation, Phoenix Project, Hyper Space-Time Tunneling, Teleportation, Alternate Reality, Space Time Manipulation, Past Future Ruins, USS Eldridge, Weather Control, Z-Argon Gases, Altered States of Reality, Auras, Stealth Technology Grays, Pleiadians, Reptilians, Worm Holes, Psychic, Albert Einstein, Atlantis, Crashed Ship, Extraterrestrial Bases, ET's, Reptilian, Illuminati Alchemy, Hilga Marro, Alien Magnetic Field, Zero-Time Frame, Time Travel, Akashic Artifacts, Vortex, Face of Mars, Ancient Civilizations, Mars Ruins Intelligence, Anomalies, Alien Physics, Secret Societies, Co-Incidence, Nicola Tesla, Paranormal, Psychic Bio-Rhythms, Orion Aliens, Multi-Dimensional Universe, Torus Dimensions, Robert Monroe, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Consciousness, Delta-T Vortex, Quantum Electro Dynamics, Time Waves, Nicola Tesla's Esoteric Functions, Levenston Time, and Zero Time Functions... READ ON..."
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/index.html

8-)

Jimbo
05-22-2005, 02:56 PM
Mind Control Victim ??? :-o :-o :-o

Now, could this person be the victim of a “mind-control” project…

Amnesic 'Piano Man' Institutionalized & Awaiting Identification
http://www.rense.com/general65/pianomangetspiano.htm
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=640168

8-)

Bouncer
05-26-2005, 12:41 PM
Hello! I've been looking into this practice and its origins. I believe that Hitler had a vision of a super race based on two things: 1) The creation of breeders who had the sensual and mental hyperacuity that is found in victims of multigenerational abuse; 2) A "pure" gene pool in which these traits would be passed on and amplified. We've all heard about his experiments in eugenics, but this was just one part of the overall plan. He truly wanted to create a race of superhumans in order to dominate the world.

05-26-2005, 05:38 PM

Bouncer
05-27-2005, 11:12 AM
Hello again. I often wonder how much popular information is altered and how much is obfuscated. For instance, the popular account of the sessions in the hot cages involves kittens. Anyone familiar with the story will know what the significance of the kittens is. Kittens, however, arre not the only cute furry animals that are well-suited to small enclosures. Rabbits are also well-suited for this. And I have to wonder if the Hefner estate was not, at least at one time, a training ground for betas when they reached a suitable age. It would be a case of hiding in plain sight. The irrational desire to become a cute cuddly bunny in order to be loved and protected would have been fulfilled. Any thoughts on this?

05-29-2005, 08:06 AM
Bouncer wrote:
Hello! I've been looking into this practice and its origins. I believe that Hitler had a vision of a super race based on two things: 1) The creation of breeders who had the sensual and mental hyperacuity that is found in victims of multigenerational abuse; 2) A "pure" gene pool in which these traits would be passed on and amplified. We've all heard about his experiments in eugenics, but this was just one part of the overall plan. He truly wanted to create a race of superhumans in order to dominate the world.

Well, I'm not that familiar with Hitler's experiments in eugenics; however, they are interested in children who come from families of multigenerational abuse. These children are predisposed to DID. These are the children they look for when recruiting for their mind control programs/experimentation. Or, father's of children who have TIES to the Mafia. Also interested in talented children who come from less fortunate circumstances whom they can rise up to fame and perhaps as is the case with Michael Jackson use them to further their agenda by luring the type of children to his ranch that visit there. Sick, poor, etc. Using them in pornography, etc.

I think creating a SUPER RACE would be the opposite of those who were tortured during the Holocaust, etc.

To rid the world of the less desirables in that way would be more like it and only keep those who are of blood line would be to acheive the goal of their KIND dominating the world.

For instance, sending people to jail/prison for the least little infraction is a way to taint a person's record and do damage to their ability to succeed for the rest of their life.

Our prisons are overflowing!!

05-29-2005, 08:16 AM
Bouncer wrote:
Hello again. I often wonder how much popular information is altered and how much is obfuscated. For instance, the popular account of the sessions in the hot cages involves kittens. Anyone familiar with the story will know what the significance of the kittens is. Kittens, however, arre not the only cute furry animals that are well-suited to small enclosures. Rabbits are also well-suited for this. And I have to wonder if the Hefner estate was not, at least at one time, a training ground for betas when they reached a suitable age. It would be a case of hiding in plain sight. The irrational desire to become a cute cuddly bunny in order to be loved and protected would have been fulfilled. Any thoughts on this?



I'm not familiar with hot cages. But, that doesn't mean that if it is credible I wouldn't have a memory of it later.

However, children are caged for many reason and when they are let out by their abusers, they become their protectors.

Reverse psychology, I would assume!!

Training ground could have been at Hefner's estate. Hiding in plain sight that way would be perfect.

Breeding ground???

I don't really like to discuss the BETA programming, but it was used on me recently when I wandered into a dangerous area on the web.

This is why I am very protective about whom I speak with and what I say!!

Kittens and bunny rabbits are part of the BETA programming.

Interesting how someone from my past who is probably a mind control victim, too, was a Bunny at one of the Playboy clubs.

Bouncer
05-31-2005, 09:01 AM
Blue Angel: I apologize for any unwanted associations which I might have stirred up. I can empathize with severe dissociation and other things, so I have a clue what the pain and fear are like. My pursuit is much more than recreation or "intellectual curiosity." That being said, if you want an account of hot-cage sessions (ala Josef Mengele) or "Tinkerbelle" programming, it is out there on the web. I will not elaborate because it is a sensitive subject and potentially upsetting. Thank you for your comments.
Later.

05-31-2005, 09:23 AM
Bouncer wrote:
Blue Angel: I apologize for any unwanted associations which I might have stirred up. I can empathize with severe dissociation and other things, so I have a clue what the pain and fear are like. My pursuit is much more than recreation or "intellectual curiosity." That being said, if you want an account of hot-cage sessions (ala Josef Mengele) or "Tinkerbelle" programming, it is out there on the web. I will not elaborate because it is a sensitive subject and potentially upsetting. Thank you for your comments.
Later.

No problem Bouncer!! I've been going through some hard times the past couple of years due to my "awakening."

I have made PEACE with myself inasmuch as I realize I may never recover all of my memories and that this process may be with me for a very long time.

I have support so I am not alone in my struggle.

My goal is to ENLIGHTEN as much as possible with the knowledge I do possess. There is no other reason for me to have survived such grotesque abuse.

Anyway, the "Tinkerbelle" programming was something I was subjected to at Tinker Air Force Base. I would ask, "why do they call it Tinker AFB?" and, they would reply, "because we TINKER with your brain here and you're our little TINKERBELLE.

I don't know if Mengele had a hook arm, but one of the doctors did.

If you'd like to provide links regarding the Tinkerbelle programming and hot cages, I would appreciate it.

I haven't stumbled across that yet!!

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

At Bohemian Grove, I would ask, "why do they call it Bohemian Grove?" and they would reply because that's where it all started; in Bohemia, and I do remember some kind of mariachi band but they were called the "Bohemian's something or other."

Peace,
BlueAngel

05-31-2005, 10:21 AM
I believe my programming also included that which would be used for "military intelligence."

Kaballah and one other?

I have come to this conclusion due to the SUICIDAL commands and psychological/physical ailments I endure upon remembering certain events/information.

In fact, most victims/survivors are programmed to KILL their therapist or anyone else they CONFIDE in!!

There are "gatekeepers" for sure who are protecting my VAULT!!! Never to be seen by the public were their words. Only those with credentials are allowed to open the vault and I was instructed to take the INFORMATION to my grave.

Once the gatekeepers move away, there are also other obstacles that have been put in place so that entry is not accessible unless my handlers from the past provide the codes, keys and triggers to open the safe/vault.

The "gatekeepers" man the area 24/7 just as in the military when protecting entry onto their bases, etc. They have orders never to move away from their post unless ordered by a superior!!

So, there is a SUPERIOR one somewhere!!

WEIRD!!

Bouncer
05-31-2005, 01:35 PM
No problem! My experience was much milder than what you describe, and was in a domestic setting. Our higher power is a love too WONDERFUL to comprehend. Find below two links.
1) http://uk.geocities.com/ninjitsu007@btinternet.com/illuminati_formula_to_create_an1.html
This one is somewhat questionable but gives a passing account of one version of wired cages. Search the page for "cage" or "cat".
2) http://www.whale.to/b/q_monarch.html
This one is closer to A-1 in that the names are generally more respected in the public awareness circuit.
Some other names: Mark and Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor, Candy Jones, and Ted Gunderson.
I have a DVD by Mark & Cathy that I could mail to you if you like. Your decision.

Bouncer
05-31-2005, 01:47 PM
Blue Angel: No problem. Our higher power is a love too WONDERFUL to comprehend. Anything that helps you get in the "driver's seat" of your emotional mind can't be bad; the back-seat drivers don't have control and in fact can be made to get out of the car if they are too distracting.
Find below two links for you:
1)http://uk.geocities.com/ninjitsu007@btinternet.com/illuminati_formula_to_create_an1.html
I don't have enough research to vouch for everything in this one, but it gives a passing account of the wired cages. A simple keyword search should help.
2) http://www.whale.to/b/q_monarch.html
This one is better, I believe, because the sources are more widely accepted in the public awareness circuit.
Other names to check are: Mark and Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor, Candy Jones, Chip Tatum, and Ted Gunderson, for research.
Mark & Cathy have an excellent DVD out called, "Trans-Formation of America."
Later.

Bouncer
05-31-2005, 02:21 PM
This is regarding what I believe is nonconsensual experimentation in public with behavior influencing techniques. Since its inception in 1979, the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program has investigated two categories of anomalous phenomena: 1) the effect of human intention on the performance of engineering devices that involve various random and pseudo-random physical processes; and 2) the non-sensory perception of information about remote geographical targets. Both of these experimental programs were originally designed as replications and extensions of studies reported by other laboratories, and both have produced results that confirm the ability of human consciousness to interact with the tangible world in ways that are inexplicable by known physical mechanisms. These can also be referred to as remote viewing and remote influencing. Some call it science, and some call it magick arts, but I call it a royal pain when I'm sitting in the Small World Coffeehouse trying to enjoy my latte when these goons are focussing their minds on the patrons in an attempt to remotely influence someone's behavior. I believe that they are experimenting with human behavior in public and that this must be exposed and addressed in public.
Later.

05-31-2005, 07:24 PM
Bouncer wrote:
No problem! My experience was much milder than what you describe, and was in a domestic setting. Our higher power is a love too WONDERFUL to comprehend. Find below two links.
1) http://uk.geocities.com/ninjitsu007@btinternet.com/illuminati_formula_to_create_an1.html
This one is somewhat questionable but gives a passing account of one version of wired cages. Search the page for "cage" or "cat".
2) http://www.whale.to/b/q_monarch.html
This one is closer to A-1 in that the names are generally more respected in the public awareness circuit.
Some other names: Mark and Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor, Candy Jones, and Ted Gunderson.
I have a DVD by Mark & Cathy that I could mail to you if you like. Your decision.



"A love too WONDERFUL to comprehend!! Sorry to be so cynical, but I prefer to feel love. I don't think love is something that can be understood!!

It's BLISS!!!

As far as Mark and Cathy, Brice, Candy Jones, etc., well, the only person whom I believe is an MKULTRA/Project Monarch survivor is myself!!

I'm unattached!!! On my own!! Except for my family and friends, who have no connection to any of this, I'm a LONE WOLF!!!

Of course it's my decision. I have a DVD by Mark and Cathy as well. Probably the same one you have. I've communicated with them via email.

You can mail it to me anyway, if you'd like. My address is:

BlueAngel
Heaven on Earth
Astral Planes, SPACE!!

:-P 8-) :-? :-D

05-31-2005, 07:30 PM
Blue Angel: No problem. Our higher power is a love too WONDERFUL to comprehend. Anything that helps you get in the "driver's seat" of your emotional mind can't be bad; the back-seat drivers don't have control and in fact can be made to get out of the car if they are too distracting.


I am driving!! and I've been driving my entire life. I'm tired of driving. So, when

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Life is a roller coaster, whether you are a mind control victim/survivor or not, sometimes you have to relinquish the wheel to whomever else inside of you will take over.

I believe MANY of us are DID's whether subjected or not to Dr. Mengele, etc., sexual abuse by father, mother. It's the nature of their game!!!

It's what they want!! Distraction, lack of concentration!!!

05-31-2005, 07:33 PM
"BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”."

Not at all, JIMBO!! Thanks!! Interesting to say the least!!!

Hey, where are you???

05-31-2005, 07:37 PM
Bouncer, I'm sorry for whatever you experienced. I know it's HELL!!

Can somebody fix this thread???

Don't like the way you have to scroll to the right to read the comments.

Maybe Henry can!!!

Peace,
BlueAngel

05-31-2005, 10:34 PM
Bouncer wrote:
This is regarding what I believe is nonconsensual experimentation in public with behavior influencing techniques. Since its inception in 1979, the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program has investigated two categories of anomalous phenomena: 1) the effect of human intention on the performance of engineering devices that involve various random and pseudo-random physical processes; and 2) the non-sensory perception of information about remote geographical targets. Both of these experimental programs were originally designed as replications and extensions of studies reported by other laboratories, and both have produced results that confirm the ability of human consciousness to interact with the tangible world in ways that are inexplicable by known physical mechanisms. These can also be referred to as remote viewing and remote influencing. Some call it science, and some call it magick arts, but I call it a royal pain when I'm sitting in the Small World Coffeehouse trying to enjoy my latte when these goons are focussing their minds on the patrons in an attempt to remotely influence someone's behavior. I believe that they are experimenting with human behavior in public and that this must be exposed and addressed in public.
Later.


Okay!! Go ahead and expose it!!! Address it in public!! Are you going to tell people that you can't enjoy your LATTE at a Small World Coffeehouse because these goons have the ability to affect the behavior remotely of patrons inside the shop?

Oh, boy, your audience will be massive! NOT!!!

But, first, run it by me one more time!!

REMOTE VIEWING!!!

I think you have it backwards!! or not!!!

05-31-2005, 10:36 PM
"And he Shall Wipe Away the Tears from Thier Eyes"

Who is HE???

Who are THEIR???

Just curious!!

Peace,
BlueAngel

Bouncer
06-01-2005, 12:13 PM
Okay, well, the PEAR project is real and local to the Princeton, NJ area, but as far as an expose, it's probably very high on the "ho-Hum" scale. In fact, if there were a total disclosure of government-sponsored mind control for drug smuggling, etc., most of the public audience would go, "Gee, what about that!", and then open the TV Guide to find the next ball game. I guess that I jump on my soapbox too quickly, but I also believe that it is germaine to the thread, if nothing else.
As for the verse, it's actally from the Bible, Revelations 21. There's a lot of good stuff in that book if you can get past the unwanted associations of condemnation and guilt that the religious hacks seem to thrive on. Nobody has a monopoly on wisdom or truth. Thanks, BA, for the convo, later.

Jimbo
06-01-2005, 09:38 PM
Programmed Trauma-Based Structured Dissociation - :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel, I’ve been here somewhere in the background. I looked over the 2 links provided by “Bouncer” & in particular I looked for the word “cage” & started reading. “It’s incredible”,… that’s the best I can do to describe it. I came across a term, “PTSD”, but I did not find it defined anywhere. From the rest of the text, the best I could do is put together the following – “Programmed Trauma-Based Structured Dissociation”, but I am not certain that is what it stands for. Perhaps you know…

A while back, I had rented a DVD movie w/ Bridget Fonda, “Point of No Return” (1993), http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1800184808&cf=info&intl=us , where she plays the part of a very hard-lived “candidate”, which because of her skills, was selected by the “shadow operatives” & trained to supposedly kill some bad-guys, as they defined them. She was under a trainer, mentor, & even though the articles seem “more real”, I think the movie did a descent job in showing glimpses of that “underworld”. I recommend for anyone who doesn’t even have a clue about what this is, to see this movie. Also, “The Manchurian Candidate” (2004) http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808471891&cf=info

Overall, I found those 2 links on “Programmed Trauma-Based Structured Dissociation” very informative…

8-)

06-02-2005, 07:37 AM
I was reading over some material yesterday and the words which have reverberated in my head for a very long time, "get the creative juices flowing" were defined in better terms so that now I understand the TALENT aspect of the organization and how they get and keep the MOST TALENTED slaves under THEIR control making money for them.

We know they makes the movies, print the newspapers, own the airwaves, and use entertainers/musicians to send messages to their MONARCHs, etc.

As a child and adult, although sad, I STOPPED listening to music, reading the newspaper, watching movies, etc. and, like I said, am very careful whom I speak with, because of the TRIGGERING mechanisms that are built-in.

Hand signals, such as the devil sign, closed fist, thumb's up (Clinton's favorite), I believe are subliminal messages.

There are a TON of musicians who have lines/phrases in their songs that are mind control messages and as I stated before are constantly singing about LOST LOVE and using a myriad of females names.

Through pain, trauma, etc. in these programs, the creative juices do get flowing. One can reach the depths of sadness, anger, etc., and if talented at birth, they make great musicians and mind-controlled slaves to be used for THEIR purposes in reaching other slaves. Some of them may not even know it. The sexual programming is used to get the creative juices flowing as well as pairing a female slave perhaps with a male singer/songwriter and then ripping that love apart.

My Aunt spent time with Tex Ritter.

I think FLEETWOOD MAC's songs carry alot of messages, "don't break the spell" for one.

As far as blurry vision, that is a tactic so that slaves don't remember their abusers/controllers, etc. Sometimes, during the day, I amy be triggered into BLURRY vision. Just a tad. It is concerning, but while it is happening I am completely aware that something has caused this. It could be seeing their faces on television, a song, anything.

Although I believe both my parents were abusers, there was SOMEONE who was my MAIN controller, but, most slaves believe their father to be the primary handler/abuser because of being programmed not to notice the camera (trained to be camera shy, afraid of the spotlight, public speaking, etc.) Anything to keep us silent.

However, I know that my parents were probably trained to condition me at home, but did not have the time, intelligence, etc. to be the masterminds behind all of my abuse.

Isolation started at home in a closet. Cigarette burns were common and I would be blamed for it. Physical ailments, etc. surfaced years ago when I began remembering; however, operatives were put in place to try to trigger me into a PARANOID state and/or discredit me such as I would pop into my local coffee shop and the employees mights say, "you were just here." I'd reply no!! Inotherwords, trying to make me believe that I was SWITCHING and unaware of my activities. They did this in the past as well when I was a child.

Phone would ring and there would be ringing in the background. Ever present aircraft and helicopter activity over my house. Military, small planes, ghetto birds, etc.

They went so far as to use MY TWIN, doppleganger, whatever, driving the same car as mine pass by my son so that he would say he saw me at a specific time when I couldn't have been there. Putting doubt in the mind's of my family as to my SANITY.

Oh, well!! I don't really want to write a book here.

So, I'll talk to you later.

PTSD, Post-traumatic stress disorder is what I understood it to be.

Peace,
BlueAngel

06-02-2005, 09:04 AM
I was just editing my post and received this message!!

"You have reached the time limit on editing your message."

Away went my writing!!

I was talking about the erasure of memory through hypnosis and being interrogated as it seems I didn't "remember to forget" like a good little slave. I believe I was used as a drug mule, go-between, carrier pigeon and involved with both sides!!

Slaves live in a fantasy/dream-like state. It is repeated to them that they cannot tell fantasy from reality, fact from fiction, remember names, dates, lack of concentration, poor writing skills, no heart, no brain, no courage.

I remember Aquino and Dr. Green to a certain degree. Black, shiny boots and they did click their heels together. I was in military training/intelligence and ordered to salute them. My father was replaced with all the other abusers/programmers/handlers in my life.

However, he was not completely responsible!!! It would have been impossible. He had no military background, an 8th grade education and had connections to the Mafia.

I believe I blabbed when young and was institutionalized. Not sure. Could have been at McGill in Canada.

Over the border is where I went, the cold days of summer in Canada I spent.

Anyway, I hate the cold!! It causes changes in my mind-set.

I think it has to do with being kept in cages, dungeons, isolation, naked and cold outside, ice baths, etc.

I told my father the men were not REAL doctors. They were not helping me, but hurting me. I don't know how I came to be insitutionalized. Could have been programmed suicide attempts and deemed threat to myself/society.

I feel I was under the state's control and these doctors threatened me constantly with being locked behind the walls of the institution forever never to see the outside world again.
They informed me that they could create mental illnesses in their patients.

I was also put on a bus in the summer and sent to "Vacation Summer Bible School," but I have no memory of this. Rosacrucian is what I believe to have been taught. The only memory is the bible and sitting on the bus.

I was also sent in the summers to Naples, Florida on a large piece of land with a trailer that was owned by Sis and Walt. Other children from the neighborhood came as well.

I know I didn't stay there. We were unattended in a remote, isolated area. I'm sure we were taken elsewhere. In fact, I was always saying to anyone who would listen, "we don't stay there." But, when trying to recall where we were taken, it was difficult due to drugs, hypnosis, etc.

If I did have memory that was accurate, I was further tortured and it was erased and replaced. So, whomever I was reporting to was reporting on me!!!

I believe I was taken from my elementary school as well, having been identified as "talented/gifted." Photographic memory. The Opa-Locka Air Force Base was nearby.

I have memories of Frank Sinatra in my past. In fact, talking about him when I was young and others having to say that I confused him with my cousin. I remember, "don't keep ole blue eyes waiting." You know how angry he gets.

I receive no answers from any biological family members!! other than SILENCE on the matter.

Although, my memories of being used by the CIA/Mafia in pornography has been confirmed by one member who also said that our family has a "dark side."

In Peace,
BlueAngel

06-02-2005, 01:17 PM
The information about "histamine" and scars is interesting inasmuch as I only noticed scars on my body when I began remembering.

There is a "butterfly" scar on my left hand and I came upon it after an alter wanted me to find it.

In my core, I continued to look at the spot where it was for weeks until one day, it was visible.

The "scars" on my body are not visible to most people. Black light, flourescent lighting, twilight seem to show them better.

They're like a Highlight magazine "find the hidden pictures." You have to look for a while before the shapes becomes visible. Some look like faces. Creepy!!

I noticed slash marks on my right wrist several years ago and what look like holes in my skin from pin pricks, needles and/or toothpicks under my nails. They would always say, "oh, it's just a little pin prick." It doesn't hurt. Some scars are probably from electricshock.

Strange how in my other "state" all of these decades, I never knew these "etchings" (as I call them) existed just as I never knew I was a mind control victim. However, I always questioned why I couldn't remember my childhood. It was one of the first things I said to my husband before we married. I knew, deep down, something was amiss. I knew it wasn't the normal fading of memories with time.

I assume I was put to sleep. However, upon awakening I was instructed to suicide so what would have been the purpose? Why not just kill me? They have no problem with that!!

They are most certainly pedophiles and do like to keep child like alters which I would think is connected to the Peter Pan programming. Hate to bring up Michael Jackson, but he did admit that he is a child!!

I think "Wendy" from Pan is one of my child-like alters.

Someone I knew was referred to as a "Whiz Kid." Or maybe there were some whom they attached this label to, but I don't think it was me.

Always talk about a government job. Government taking care of me for the rest of my life. Moving up the ladder, etc. Position of power.
Or, entertainer, but I didn't want any part of it. I think I was offered HUSH MONEY, or they paid out hush money to others, but I didn't accept because I believe a GAG order would have been placed on me.

I was reporting to others after they accessed my child like alters for pornography because they were not always able to hypnotize me, but, most importantly, they disgusted me so I defied them as best I could!!!

I didn't appreciate people abusing me and I certainly didn't like being switched so that I didn't know what was happening to me. So, I fought. I think I fought like a MAN!!!!

In fact, I recently spent the past year on a website and the degradation I went through by the posters there whom, due to their subliminal messaging and my suggestible state of mind, were able to convince me that they knew me from the past, loved me and had protected me from the cult and were the reason I was alive today. However, I think they are part of the cult.

The abuse can be likened to reverse psychology in making me feel guilty about my behavior when it was, in fact, they who were triggering my sexual programming and implanting false memories about my past and changing the role one particular person played in it.

I suffered for days believing that I had actually given birth to a baby when I was 17, hurt it and was institutionalized for this reason. All this through messaging and songs.

They rarely spoke to me directly. I was reading between the lines and they knew it. I gave them information about certain government leaders who were involved in my abuse. Protecting themselves this way!!

Whether they believe they can use anything I wrote on the site against me to discredit me should they be the real culprits from my past and I name names, is not of concern to me at this time.

They used songs to fill in the blanks of my missing life by one particular singer/songwriter/artist, but never provided proof to substantiate any of what they WANTED me to believe about my past and his role in it as a good guy!!

It was always alluded to that HE had been looking for me for decades. That I went missing!! Took off!! Left him!! My fault!!

I was desperate in looking for answers so I suspended disbelief because they were controlling and manipulating my mind AGAIN!!

In essence, I was under their control. I became isolated from the world, my husband, my children, etc. I had feelings of wanting to flee and be alone. Suicide thoughts were prevalent.

In the beginning, my alters were warning me of their real agenda. They wanted to use my sexual programming to attempt to blackmail me into silence about HIM and were hoping to ruin my life and my marriage. Render me alone, hopeless, helpless, hurt, angry, confused and suicidal without anyone to trust.

I continued to stay because they kept me hanging on to false "hopes and dreams." Thinking they had the answers to my past. I wanted to believe in the good of people and those whom I thought knew me from the past and had RESCUED me, saved me from the cult. He even went so far as to say "you're welcome" when I thanked HIM for saving me.

Double-bind meanings constantly appeared in the songs and messages they were feeding me and/or programming me to in the process. I was made to believe that my husband was ONE OF THEM!!

I actually PACKED my suitcase upon their command thinking someone was coming to get me to take me away from my home and put me in a Witness Protection Program. I was even talking about leaving my husband and children for a while so I could be alone. You see, I believe they were my handlers/programmers from the past and this is what they wanted me to do!! Leave my family.

Certainly, if they had proof or information, as they said, they had tapes, it would have been forthcoming.

Their goal was for me to suicide, become institutionalized or destitute and homeless!! LOST and alone in the world!!

I was also instructed not to have sexual relations with my husband. To give all of my love to The OTHER and since my house is wired, when I was close with my husband, the messages on the board were of pure disgust.

They would also post similarities as to what would be discussed in my home.

They also began to turn me against my husband. He was referred to as a low life and I found myself agreeing with THE OTHER. However, my husband has been by my side through all of this.

It was CRAZY!!

In addition, I began writing poetry/lyrics due to "getting the creative juices flowing" through pain equals love reversal, the anxiety they created in me and the chaos that was happening in my life while communicating with them. So many emotions consumed me.

I became bed ridden and relived torture sessions from the past. I lost about twenty pounds because I couldn't eat or sleep. It was said I committed perfidy and should "suffer in silence." Any mention about being a witness threw me into a containment program.

Anyway, I was programmed to protect my MASTER/handler; although in hindsight I realize now that he was then and in present my abuser together with his cohorts/partners in crime.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
06-02-2005, 02:13 PM
Walking Zombies – :-o :-o :-o

The occult world has obviously known the secrets of brainwashing & reprogramming human subjects into living zombies & robots, throughout history. Because the global population was previous to the population boom, way smaller, it was easier to control, & while keeping a tight lid on it. However now, w/ so many people, all of the overhead required to maintain each “alter” would seem extraordinary, if it was going to include everyone in the planet. In addition, it is known that this “robotization” of humans has been used only on their own selected bloodline specimens & others matching certain characteristics &/or genetic traits. The fact that radio frequencies provide such an easy mechanism to enable the programming of many people at once is no mystery, & the fact that it is most likely being used more than we realize is also not a surprise. In addition, the fact that for the tracking & control of subjects it is much more efficient & a lot cheaper to track via “chip-implant”, RFID, or retina-scan, than it is to have to place cameras & monitor every inch of space, is also not a surprise.

If those who do believe in satanic power, or the dark-side of “the force” really wanted to defy God, I would assume that would include making it look like there is not going to be an end of the world, or “end times”. Some people flat out disagree that these are “end times”, however, one must not deny the fact that our world is changing at a much faster rate than ever before experienced. I have never in my entire life experienced the changes that we are all undergoing right this second. Times are definitely changing fast. However, the scriptures did predict all of this turmoil, as another indication & prove that a much higher intelligence is at play in the affairs of life on earth.

The fact that satanists are so obsessed w/ the world of matter & deny the eternity offered by God tells us that their days are short, since nothing lives w/o love. They maybe conquering this world of matter, & they are indeed the masters of destruction, but because they are void of any “goodness”, they will soon self-destruct. Think about it, if those who believe in “goodness” want to experience a positive life, while those void of “goodness” can only survive by destroying everything around them, & so that they can control that reality, who will, at the end, really survive in spirit, but those of spirit?

8-)

Bouncer
06-06-2005, 01:20 PM
Hello Jimbo! Thanks for the eloquent passage of hope and love. Our world has a beginning and an end, and the author of this story certainly knows how it goes! Here are three diverse yet practical things that may help those under this kind of oppression:
1) Spin programming: Blue Angel, you mentioned blurry vision; the newly acknowledged form of program called "Spinning" can be used to trigger nausea, dizziness, etc. as part of shutdown or secrecy suggestion.
2) I agree with your comment about feelings being intertwined. One of the things used on me was the binding of two or more emotions together. For instance, for sexual fidelity, they can bind fear to erotic arousal. When someone programmed this way feels erotic urges, the fear is triggered automatically and overpowers the erotic urge. Another one: anger and guilt. How many times did your abusers tell you to feel guilty, especially about being angry? Well, the guilt binds the anger, which in turn amplifies the guilt, and before long they feed off each other, but it all stays inside. This powerful suppression program can be used to make you enraged at the drop of a hat.
3) Beware of color programming, too. For instance, "You are pure white like the snow in winter. . . come in out of the cold", etc. Another is GRAY: just as the gray clouds cover the sun so that you can't see it directly, so someone going GRAY can successfully hide all emotions, intentions, and thoughts from an observer or interrogator.
Glad to meet you , Jim. Later.

Jimbo
06-07-2005, 10:21 PM
Anecdote From A Mind-Control Subject - :-o :-o :-o

The Gifted Children
http://www.combat-diaries.co.uk/diary25/diary25safari.htm

From: Jack Sarfatti

Date: 04/07/05 18:47:10

To: Hank Harrison

Subject: Re: MK Ultra , UFOs, in the guise of Creative Enrichment & Schwartz

On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Hank Harrison wrote:


Just finished Fastwalker Pdf and liked your analysis. Sometimes universes really are parallel. In June of 1953, I was enrolled on campus at Berkeley in a gifted children program conducted under an alias as a study of creativity. I was not aware of a similar Cornell program until today. There must also have been others. I was 13 when I attended Berkley. I started regular high school the following September. I am now 64 years old.

The Berkley program was run by a psychologist named Frank Barron, I met Frank Barron with Tim Leary and I think Saul-Paul Sirag at UCSC in ~ 1976. Frank was a major player in CIA MK Ultra. Tim and he openly talked about it as I recall. Certainly Tim told me for sure. I also met Robin Williams with Tim back in the 1980s. BTW the late George Koopman DIA Spook was with John Belushi night he OD'd. George told me. He may have also told Saul-Paul? Koopman funded my PCRG and was Tim Leary's control when he was let out of prison and came directly to our PCRG Esalen in Big Sur from which Gary Zukav, my North Beach room-mate, wrote "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" that sold millions of copies. I wrote all the technical stuff for Gary.

The kids were all about 12-15 and some spoke no English. It is the first time I met people my own age who spoke no English. But I was tested continually from 4th grade on. My dad was getting his PhD in Physical Education at Berkley and Cal Poly at the time, so I was somehow picked out or was volunteered, as my dad often brought me with him the year before. I was, they thought, athletically gifted because I broke a swimming record at age 12, but I thought it was no big deal.

More importantly the staff (one to one ratio) treated all of the kids like rock stars. We ate with the athletes on Pappy Waldorf's famed football championship teams and had access to vitamin pills. No big deal. My dad befriended a star fullback named Johnny Oshevsky (sp) he went pro and they called him Johnny O. The national American shot put man had no place to live so he commuted with us and moved in, used to toss the 16 pounder in our backyard in Castro Valley. Pardoxical eh?

I remember getting IQ tests almost every day. But my Iq was never higher than 127, never tested as a genius or anything higher than Bright Normal or low superior. (Benet rating). Years later I came to find out they were interested in my Photographic memory, (semi-eidetic) which I didn't even know I had at the time. Everyday we were trotted around to some esoteric site on Cal campus. Especially the art galleries where we were taken to architectual lectures and slide shows. I remember watching a French artist, Ferdinand Leger, discuss his art and I understood every word of it. Leger was at Berkley Fine Arts at the time.

Other tours took us to the Cyclotron. When it was running, it shook the ground all over campus. We also took tours to the Campanile, saw the the Bones and skulls stored inside the Campanile, and got to press the levers that played the bells. This was before the suicide restraints were erected, so you could actually look over and see the view. We also visited chemo labs and could go anywhere we wanted until our folks took us home from Sather Gate. This was, I guess, what is now called an enrichment program, but I got the distinct impression I was being studied.

My troubles started coming in from the anxiety of the cognitive dissonance that cropped up when I was plunged back into regular school. My family hated blacks and Jews, I did not. Here is were our paths cross again, because ironically Steve Schwartz, you mentioned, had a lawyer named Carlos Bea, this was the son of my Freshman high school English teacher State Assembly head Carlos Bea. Bea and my dad were practicing Freemasons and avowed anti-Semite fascists. In fact, that whole country club crowd and the Shriners from the AAmes temple in Oakland, comprised a nest of practicing Nazis and are still in control though their brainwashed children. I guess I was a big disappointment. I even dropped out of DeMolay.

I know Carlos Bea. I met a top Iran-Contra at his Bolinas house with Stephen Schwartz and Kim Burrafato in the mid-80's. Carlos was not there. Steve had access to his house. He always liked me and I never saw any anti-Semetism from him. He is still friendly in the Hood. I was with Lawry Chickering in Trieste 2 days ago. I did not realize that Don Rumsfeld ran ICS for as long as 3-4 years. So Steven did get to know him pretty well. Carlos Bea is Cuban and won a lawsuit against Castro.

He is now a San Francisco Superior Court Judge. So, again, all I can say is that I never detected a tinge of any anti-Jewish attitude in Carlos. He certainly knew that Stephen was half-Jewish. I am still on friendly terms with him and his wife. I was even invited to their Pacific Heights Mansion at a party back then when I was loosely associated with ICS. Carlos was member of Pumpkin Papers with Richard Nixon and he has Intel connections for sure. I think he knew the late Harold Chipman when he was in CIA? Chip was part of MKUltra - he told details to me and Kim and I think Bobby Jones.

There were about 16 kids in this group and basically we were guinea pigs. I do not recall any brainwashing, per se, although esp was part of the study. We read from books way over our heads to test reading comprehension then we wrote short stories from scratch. I had no idea I could do that at first. They then tried to set up a test between senders and receivers to see if messages from the short stories and drawings would come though to a room down the hall. This was somewhat like distant viewing that was done with the Grateful Dead under Stanley Krippner from Maimonedes Hospital in Brooklyn, Circa 1973.

Yes, so you and I about same age now were part of same project no doubt. I know Krippner of course.

After many decades I went through a kind of zen and combined psychoanalysis in Marin with Lloyd Saxton, head of the College of San Mateo, and I finally figured out what was going on. But it was clear the 1953 Berkley program was tampering with values and value training as we took the Alport- Vernon- Lindsey study of values at least once a week for the whole summer. I think they were trying to find out how values are formed in potential leadership kids and which ones would be the easiest to train. I think I was rejected because I had my own ideas.

I basically flunked high school after that earlier experience. But I was aware, over the years, of people tracking my records. My dad would fill out these little reports, like follow-up questionnaires. I wasn't even supposed to know they existed, but I often went though my dads desk looking for spare change and I found them. Perhaps I was a control? In any case its odd to see so many similar people in the Trieste Tank. By the way the photographic memory turns out to be a kind of tool for remote empathy, not remote viewing per se, but remote feeling. It comes down on the distaff or female side of the family.But it also skips. My daughter has it. My dad was a jock, and had no clue what Barron et al, was up to. Good luck in Santa Fe this year.

Hank's daughter is Courtney Love.


From:

MK-ULTRA & The Gifted Children
http://www.combat-diaries.co.uk/diary25/diary25safari.htm

From:

J. Orlin Grabbe
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/archive163.htm
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

8-)

06-08-2005, 08:26 PM
Look, I'm sorry, but I don't know what the hell this guy is talking about!! Like I've said, gifted and talented children is something they look for so they can exploit them for their own agenda!!

Someone alluded to the fact that Cobaine was "driven" to a heroin or cocaine high by his tormenters. I don't question this!! Perhaps because he was vocalizing in his lyrics about THEM.

I've been quite tormented for the past year, as well!!!

As a child, I wrote about them and I have plenty of poetry in my possesion that speaks of their "evil deeds."

Here's one:

I'm proud to be an American
an American I'm proud to be
I wouldn't be proud to be anything else
because in America you're free

You're free to do most anything
most anything you please
but if you DO A REAL BAD THING
you wouldn't be so pleased

you don't gain much by doing wrong
but a punishment you see
that serves you right for doing wrong
through all ETERNITY!!

Now, I wrote this in second grade. It was the "Thought for the Day" and I read it over the PA system.

Who was I talking about? I was talking about THEM!!

They wanted to exploit my talent in other ways, but it backfired on them.

As far as ESP, clairvoyant abilities, remote viewing, etc., there is something to be said of that, but I'm not sure exactly how or why some of the children, including myself, were able to tap into this sixth sense!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

06-08-2005, 08:35 PM
JIMBO,

Thanks for all the links!!

As far as the twin thing, they did tell me I had a twin!!

However, I believe they called it a "look alike" when I was young because the discrediting was taking place then as well.

It was said I was seen in various places and I'd say, I wasn't there and they'd say, well, then, who was it your twin????

So, I believe it's just something they use as a device for CONFUSION!!! or, perhaps, they do have a "look alike" when they really need one!!

Putting doubt in the mind of the victim. Was I really there?

Also, I believe they split one or more of the alters into an evil and a good.

A good twin and a bad twin!!

SO, it can be said, that so and so has two sides.

Like the "Two Faces of Eve."

Bouncer
06-09-2005, 01:25 PM
I, too, believe that songs and consumer products can and are being used in programming as triggers or codes. Consider Steely Dan's "Josie", and Bad Company's "Shooting Star". Also, the deja vu style of commercials for Doublemint Gum is more than coincidence.
If you are taking a kind of psychological inventory of yourself, try being aware of when intruding thoughts or images tend to occur. It is usually when you switch from internal to external activity. For instance, I'm thinking creatively about a new way to cook a steak; I'm using internal imagery and internal dialogue to form a new recipie. My alpha waves are probably dominant at this point. As I come out of this reverie and back to my senses, so to speak, it is like waking from a light trance. This is usually when the "programmed" thoughts and images reveal themselves. We can have the ultimate control of our own thoughts and emotions, despite the many roadblocks or speedbumps that we encounter.

Bouncer
06-14-2005, 02:32 PM
Hey, where'deverbodygo? Anyway, the MJ verdict shocked me. I was sure that he would at least get a slap on the wrist, but then that would open up civil liabilities. Did anyone catch the code phrase used by the juror during the interview? One juror said, "I felt like the eyes of the world were on us . . ." This is a standard code and I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of ad-hoc program was used on the jurors to secure a not-guilty verdict. Another code phrase is, "I am the all-seeing eye, noone can escape my gaze." Try relaxing in a waiting room with THAT playing through the black box!

06-14-2005, 02:52 PM
Hey, it took them five or six days to find him "not guilty" of all ten counts!! What? Where they being BRAINWASHED or something while sequestered??

The headline on YAHOO news reads something like, "Michael not Allowing Sleep Overs." Another one was, "Back to NeverLand." WHO the HECK lives in NeverLand?????? I'll tell you who, mind control victims!!!

Makes me SICK!!! SLEEPOVERS!!! This man has families with children spend the night in his room and sleep in his bed.

THIS, my friends, is not NORMAL!!!

You know, it's the NEVERLAND (Peter Pan programming), never grow up attitude of Mr. Jacksons; it's the finding children from less fortunate families whose parents may be easily discredited, branding them as fortune and fame seekers.

And, his fans, standing out there night and day never once doubting his innocence when CHILDREN are the most innocent of all and those who tell it like it is moreso than adults!!!

Just because he's Michael and famous surely he can't be a pedophile!!

Think again!!

Okay, got that off my chest!!!

Peace!!

06-14-2005, 06:14 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Hey, where'deverbodygo? Anyway, the MJ verdict shocked me. I was sure that he would at least get a slap on the wrist, but then that would open up civil liabilities. Did anyone catch the code phrase used by the juror during the interview? One juror said, "I felt like the eyes of the world were on us . . ." This is a standard code and I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of ad-hoc program was used on the jurors to secure a not-guilty verdict. Another code phrase is, "I am the all-seeing eye, noone can escape my gaze." Try relaxing in a waiting room with THAT playing through the black box!

How would they have given him a slap on the wrist?

So what does it mean if a juror uses the code phrase, "I felt like the eyes of the world were on us?"

What do you mean by ad-hoc program being used on the jurors?

Do you really hear the "I am the all-seeing eye, no one can escape my gaze" through the black box in a waiting room?

I never have!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Bouncer
06-15-2005, 01:24 PM
Well, Angel, I used a binaural relaxation program on my computer a while ago, and phrases like the "All-seeing eye" phrase came bubbling up into my conscious mind. I can only speculate where and when such a phrase might be used. It is well known that shopping centers, etc., use repetitions of phrases on the "Black Box" which is a device for embedding subliminal messages in the music they play over the loudspeakers (e.g., "I am honest . . ."). The "Eye" phrase might induce self-consciousness or a vague sense that someone knows your secrets. In fact one of the triggers used on me was, "[action] but don't tell anybody"; sustitute a secret or embarrasing thing for the [action] and you can see how the repression of secrets, guilt, or fear of discovery can be used in this kind of programming. It isn't mind control, but a subtle form of suggestion and intimidation. As for the ad-hoc program, I meant a form of conditioning, association, and hypnosis, as well as any trauma-based tactics that might be effective. This can be done in public or while the victim is at home, with the right technology and personnel. It's really just a matter of MONEY.

06-15-2005, 07:54 PM
Well, Bouncer, I find it somewhat difficult to believe that the jurors could have been influenced publically or at home unless you describe further the methods and technology that could have been used.

Why is it only a matter of MONEY?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Bouncer
06-16-2005, 02:19 PM
OK, i'm cynical. But not without cause. As far as how to influence someone covertly, i could give one simple example. Did you ever play with Legos? You probably imagined something and then began to build it. You chose each piece according to what attributes it added to the whole item. It's like that; the people who practice covert influence, etc. have a toolkit and they choose what tools to use according to the desired result. Another thing is that there is a vast amount of information, even personal information, that a behaviorist can determine just by observation. Do you put your hands in your pockets while waiting to cross the street? That is a "tell." So let's suppose that I determine you were traumatized sexually before the age of fifteen (some statistics put the estimate as high as 1 out of 5!). I could use this to cause you to dissociate, and then attempt to plant a suggestion. "When I come back to reality I know Michael Jackson is innocent . . "
It is easier to program a stop or thought interruption, but complex behavior can be suggested as well. This works best with simple and direct suggestions, and it works extremely well with moods and emotions. I can be more specific, if you like.

Bouncer
06-16-2005, 03:36 PM
Oh, one more thing: don't let's forget that law enforcement personnel have been using covert influence techniques for quite some time. Ever hear of a "sexual frustration" operation? If a man is suspected of frequenting brothels, this can be used on him to induce him to seek a prostitute. Then lo and behold! He's busted!

06-16-2005, 05:48 PM
Well, I definately agree that some people are highly suggestible through "covert" techniques and that their behavior can be affected and influenced in this way without their knowledge. If they are direct mind control victims (i.e., having been incarcerated in MKULTRA, etc.), they can certainly be put into different alter states and made to believe almost anything which is what the doctors/scientists (SICKOS) accomplished with their victims through hypnosis, drugs, etc. in order to cover-up the real memories of what they had been subjected to by these "sadistic pigs." Screen memories would be the proper description.

I know that mind control victims/survivors are more prone to suggestion due to their programming and abuse and I know that the tecniques they employed and studied on their prisoners, less the direct traumatization, etc. has been practiced on the masses through media, etc., so there are many whose behavior is influenced and "thought" processes/patterns are directly affected through "covert" operations whether or not they were incarcerated in one of their mind control programs or not.

Problem is that they don't know it!!

The power of suggestion!!

I believe such an operation was used on me recently to fill my head with falsehoods as to my "amnesic" past and the names of those who were involved in my abuse/handling, etc.!!

Please be more specific if you'd like, and also the money question remains unanswered.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Bouncer
06-17-2005, 03:14 PM
Sure, some say that you can get what you want if you pay enough, but that isn't exactly what I mean. What I meant in this case is that a shady contractor might tamper with MJ's jury if the price were right. This could also include infiltration of the jury panel by someone who could use codes or triggers on stubborn elements.
Hmmm, more specific . . . well, I've mentioned the "Mephisto" style of seduction technology sold on the internet. Some of the styles and tactics of which I am aware (and I don't beleive that I was the only subject of this, either) closely resemble the descriptions of Mephisto, so for all I know it could just be someone dabbling for fun.
Anyway, here goes: 1) The word "Guilty" repeated many times, with the tempo quickening. Sometimes they use a chorus of voices to add to the intimidation factor. 2) Here is a spill code: "Speak your mind . . ."; "Shout it out"; "[NAME] is going to speak now"; all of these can also be repeated with the tempo quickening for the stress effect until a result is produced. A satisfactory result would be the verbalization of thoughts, or ruminations. Remember that we are at our most vulnerable at two basic times in our daily normal lives: when we are asleep, and when we are satisfying our human needs (such as eating or watching a movie). It is at these times that they will try to drive a wedge deep into your mind in order to influence you. Try this experiment designed by the Alpha Awareness group: hold up a piece of white paper so that someone can gaze at it. Tell them to relax and project their thoughts and feelings gently into the paper. After about 10 to 15 seconds crumple the paper suddenly without warning. Your subject will report something like a small shock, like being startled. This is a form of Alpha interruption, and can produce symptoms of sleep deprivation if enacted on a consistent basis. This is also one of the tactics used. In fact, there is a form of mind control in Africa that uses the startle reaction to embed suggestions. Nothing new under the sun, eh? They also use two or more voices speaking simultaneously or "taking turns" as though it were a conversation between a man and a woman, but the point is to get past your defenses. Beware of the ruse in public of someone appearing to talk on the telephone but in reality is trying to use a code or key on you. We normally will ignore someone speaking on the phone to someone else, but our minds can still hear the words.
Whew! Well, there's a lot of goofy stuff out there. I will pray for you, Angel, that you get rid of the bad and keep only the good. Firewall your mind!

06-17-2005, 08:38 PM
I appreciate your prayers, but I am doing well considering the rude awakening I experienced several years ago.

My family has been by my side every moment during this horrendous realization!!!

I think prayers for our country would be more appropriate.

Maybe I shouldn't feel this way, but when someone tells me that they'll pray for me, well, that insinuates that they believe I am troubled to the point that only God's interception can help me.

That is not the case. My mind is my own!!!

I'm more troubled with our government than with whatever I experienced in the past or what I may experience in the present.

Thanks!!

BlueAngel

Jimbo
06-19-2005, 11:26 AM
Mass-Programming The Masses

I guess I have it in me, to doubt & question. And for some reason, I can always tell a liar, or at least most of the time, because I have met some really good liars, that are so good, they can have you fooled for a long time. However, once you figure it out, that they were lying, then you’ll never be taken again by them, unless you let them. I have come to the conclusion, that “a liar, is always a liar.”

I think I know, why some (but not all) Americans are easily fooled. It goes back to that “pride” you feel by being a “native” of prosperous country. Most native Americans I’ve met, that are particularly overtaken by this pride, believe that they can do no wrong. They believe, literally, that their “shit” doesn’t stink. They think that their government is so good, they trust it “blind-folded.” The problem w/ that is obvious. It’s so obvious, the “framers of "our" constitution” knew & envisioned how the “corruption” brought upon by “unchecked power” is so powerful & destructive, that they made sure provisions were taken in advance to avoid such a catastrophe. We had everything we needed to preempt corruption, & we had outlined the mechanisms by which we could get it off its tracks, if it ever infiltrated our system as a “Trojan Horse”. However, those that believe that because of their heritage, they are better people, “naturally” brighter & smarter, than the rest of the world, & therefore, that their government is the best thing ever created, fall easily into this trap. Why? Because they “stopped thinking, & they stopped doubting.” Then, it goes deeper into our “instinctive minds,” the auto-pilot of survival. In order for us to survive, we have to “trust” our parents. This “trust” is also “connected” w/ the “love” we naturally feel for our parents. We “love” them first, & then, we “trust” them to survive. The problem is that, we then develop “pride,” a more complex type of “emotional behavior.” Once this pride takes over our personalities, the “trust” & the “love” come natural, & unfortunately, are never questioned.

I am not a psychologist, but I can only infer that this behavioral pattern of the “ego” must be broken & reestablished (re-programmed) in order for us to “re-learn” the difference between “true love,” “trust,” & “pride,” which can carry us anywhere, & driven w/ “blind faith” – very unfortunate for us, yet very convenient for them, the “master manipulators.”

8-)

06-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Jimbo said:

"I guess I have it in me, to doubt & question. And for some reason, I can always tell a liar, or at least most of the time, because I have met some really good liars, that are so good, they can have you fooled for a long time. However, once you figure it out, that they were lying, then you’ll never be taken again by them, unless you let them. I have come to the conclusion, that “a liar, is always a liar.”"

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I say, once a LIAR(s)??, always a LIAR(s)??!!! and I still believe there is a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" at hand!!!

On another note, I was fed the most unbelievable crap regarding my "amnesic" past at a BS.net site over the past year. I was placed in a highly suggestible state of mind and was definately being controlled/handled and abused by those who have knowledge about my programming. They knew how to extract information from me about my victimization in Project Monarch.

For the record, they proposed to know me from the past; they were the reason I was alive and not killed in the cult. The list goes on and on!!

Ultimately, I heeded the warning I had from the get go, but denied, hoping I had found the "missing link," the answers to my lost childhood and teenage years. I was looking desperately for a "reason to believe" them, but realize now I was not thinking clearly since I was under their "control."

Master manipulators, inflated egos and sadistic pigs!!

My suffering while under their "spell" is what pleased them!!

"Blind faith" almost got me killed.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

06-19-2005, 08:29 PM
Whomever suggests that mind control victims or anyone else who believes that they are being targeted by ELFs, microwaves, etc. can protect themselves by wearing a tinfoil hat should just cease and desist from this advice!!

It only serves to discredit!!

More important would be to explain the technology that the intelligence agencies have which is capable of penetrating walls, doors, windows, tracking, etc. and what these devices may be able to affect in a target/person.

Specifically, how would it be accomplished? What does an individual possess (electromagnetic energy) that when zapped/beamed/targeted with a microwave, elf could cause a reaction.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

06-19-2005, 08:44 PM
Jimbo wrote:
Mind Control Victim ??? :-o :-o :-o

Now, could this person be the victim of a “mind-control” project…

Amnesic 'Piano Man' Institutionalized & Awaiting Identification
http://www.rense.com/general65/pianomangetspiano.htm
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=640168

8-)


"Mystery Man!" That rings a bell from about 1-1/2 years ago!!

Use to be an expert piano player!!!! Play the piano with his eyes closed!!!

I can't get to the rest of the article. Too bad there isn't a picture of him.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Look, look, this is what they do to people who!!!!!

You want to wind up like that?

Okay, don't want to recall here.

Later!!!

Jimbo
06-19-2005, 09:33 PM
Gifted Musician Doesn't Recognize Who He Is – :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41158000/jpg/_41158409_pianoman203300.jpg>
Piano Man (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41158000/jpg/_41158409_pianoman203300.jpg)

'I'm not Piano Man', Says Czech
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/4598055.stm

“Mind-Control Victim?” , most likely after you read

Re: Who is behind mind-control? – Post #4 – Walking Zombies
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1382&forum=24

8-)

06-19-2005, 10:40 PM
Jimbo wrote:
Gifted Musician Doesn't Recognize Who He Is – :-o :-o :-o

<img src=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41158000/jpg/_41158409_pianoman203300.jpg>
Piano Man (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41158000/jpg/_41158409_pianoman203300.jpg)

'I'm not Piano Man', Says Czech
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/4598055.stm

“Mind-Control Victim?” , most likely after you read

Re: Who is behind mind-control? – Post #4 – Walking Zombies
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1382&forum=24

8-)


Something strange comes over me when I look at his picture. Sadness!! As if I was once like that. He appears to be in a trance. Void of all feelings. Numb.

Couldn't have been that I knew him from the past. He's too young. But, "mystery man" was repeating some time ago. Thought I knew someone from my "amnesic" past who I referred to as the Mystery Man.

Odd that he is a gifted musician!! Well, not really. Many seem to have talents. Wonder what he did to deserve this.

Walking zombies being released into society!!

Anyway, sometimes when information is there, it usually repeats, but many times I don't know the connection until it is revealed; however, I have a strong sense that it means something because of the repetition!!

Perhaps I haven't used my skills as proficient as I should if they truly do exist because I don't really recognize this phenomena.

Or, could be that this is a "covert" operation on their part to "trigger" me into "false" memories?

Or, could be a discrediting tactic to make one believe that they have a sixth sense! Announce that publicly and WHEW you're kicking up some DEVILS and DUST!!!

There would have to be two explanations for the receipent of the information and both would be completely "out there" even according to ME!!!

A more logical explanation would be that one's house is wired, conversations are heard and then follow-up ensues to make one believe they are clairvoyant, etc.

I remember childhood experiences in the same way and being met with intrepidation. Of course, I was confused, too, to say the least.

But, what purpose would that serve in the instance of the sniper, virus and other information I received beforehand?

Don't want to get too out there for other readers.

Not sure you understand, but what the hell, we are all educating each other!

One for all and all for one!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

ONWARD!!!

Bouncer
06-21-2005, 12:49 PM
Although the aluminum foil beanie may be chic in some circles, I agree that it does precious little to shield one from electromagnetic waves, especially from directed energy weapons. Believe that there are such things being used on the public and others every day in many locations: pain field generators to discourage loitering, etc.; ultrasonics for subliminal messaging (e.g. soda machines: "I am thirsty, I want Mountain Dew . . ."). As for countermeasures, there are a couple of decent sites with practical advice. The simplest thing to do is simply revise your location temporarily and observe your symptoms. If the pinging, throbbing, etc. goes away, then it might be the result of something at your previous location.
Angel, when I pray it is my way of communicating concern to my God. No pity on my part is implied. What God can do for us is much more than we can do for ourselves, but I believe that He want us to be involved in the process.
Laaaaaaaaaater, CB!

06-21-2005, 02:19 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Although the aluminum foil beanie may be chic in some circles, I agree that it does precious little to shield one from electromagnetic waves, especially from directed energy weapons. Believe that there are such things being used on the public and others every day in many locations: pain field generators to discourage loitering, etc.; ultrasonics for subliminal messaging (e.g. soda machines: "I am thirsty, I want Mountain Dew . . ."). As for countermeasures, there are a couple of decent sites with practical advice. The simplest thing to do is simply revise your location temporarily and observe your symptoms. If the pinging, throbbing, etc. goes away, then it might be the result of something at your previous location.
Angel, when I pray it is my way of communicating concern to my God. No pity on my part is implied. What God can do for us is much more than we can do for ourselves, but I believe that He want us to be involved in the process.
Laaaaaaaaaater, CB!



Yes, pity is implied on your part because, you see, when someone says they'll pray for you that definately implies that they believe you NEED HELP and that the only person capable of helping you is GOD!! In otherwords, your FATE is in God's hands because your CONDITION is not curable through any other means

For example, I prayed for my Uncle who had cancer!!! but, I would never tell anyone that I'll pray for them unless they ask me to!!

I can't believe they would use their technology to make someone thirsty.

Do you feel pinging and throbbing? I don't!!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

06-21-2005, 05:28 PM
For the record, as far ALIENS, well, could be that these memories were "implanted" in mind control victims for discrediting purposes; however, I still do believe as I said on previous threads that they have suppressed technology from us, whether it is FREE ENERGY or not. Some technology, of course, they use to their advantage against us, and hence their reason for suppression.

What irritates me is that many sites on the web that seem to have credible information about mind control programs, some are listed here, also have information about aliens and technology that can be targeted at an individual and then go on to advise the person to wear a tin foil hat.

To the onlooker, the layman, these two items alone discredit mind control victims who have made their stories public and any other victims who have not. This is a disservice.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Mind control programs can be verified through CIA documents. Of course, not all of the SRA abuse, etc., but at least there is documentation.

There isn't any PROOF of aliens nor is there any proof of high-powered technology being targeted at individuals that cause a myriad of symptoms.

How do you feel at Michael Ruppert's site?

06-21-2005, 05:33 PM
Bouncer said;

"the aluminum foil hat may be chic in some circles."

Well, maybe those who wear them believe they're being stylish, but I think not!!

Jimbo
06-21-2005, 08:35 PM
Chemtrails, Orgone Generators, ELF Towers & Mind-Control :-o :-o :-o

You need more than aluminum foil to protect yourself, but it's a start...

How To Build Your Own Cloud Buster & Orgone Generator (Holy Hand Grenade) w Lots Of Pictures
http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html

<img src=http://educate-yourself.org/dc/IM002875edit250h.jpg>
Orgone Generator - Pyramid Shaped (http://educate-yourself.org/dc/IM002875edit250h.jpg)

Orgone Generators
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Orgone Generator FAQ
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/dcorgonegenfaq26feb02.shtml

This link explains it all...

Chemtrails, ELF Mind Control Towers, Orgone Generators, & more...
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/adcepisodeindex.shtml

Ozone, A Quick Overview
http://educate-yourself.org/ozone

Electro-Magnetic Waves & Mind-Control

ELF & The Human Antenna
http://www.carnicom.com/elf9.htm

Mass Mind Control In The US - The Big Picture
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/americanmcinbaghdad29may03.shtml

How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals by Montalk – This Is How !!!
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml

Microwave Vertical Array ELF Towers
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/dclatestonmctowerarrays25may02.shtml

Secret Electronic Slaughter
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/americanmcinbaghdad29may03.shtml

General Mind-Control & World Dominion

The New World Order (NWO) & Mind-Control - An Overview
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo

The Brotherhood & Manipulation Of Society P1-10
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodindex.shtml

Targets Of The Illuminati & The Committee Of 300 – Must Read !!!
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/targetsofilluminati23aug04.shtml

On The Report To The Club If Rome 1972
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/limitsofgrowthteammember25nov03.shtml

Rule of Law
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/whathappenedruleoflaw02feb03.shtml

8-)

06-21-2005, 09:20 PM
SECRET, SILENT AND INVISIBLE WEAPONS!!

Ninety-nine percent of the population does not know that mind control programs exist and have existed for decades. Therefore, that would most likely mean that 99% of the population does not believe invisible technology is being used to silence, neutralize, contain and/or affect/control people in negative ways.

Silent, secret and invisible mind control weapons can used through communication (mass media, publications, etc.) or non-communication methods via towers, microwaves, etc. They were erecting towers way back when!! Just as they have been building concentration camps since way back when. They have to PREPARE!!!!

How did/do they learn about the affects of secret, silent and invisible weapons on humans? Well, they experiment(ed) with them on mind control victims, prisoners, etc. Those who are directly incarcerated and cannot defend themselves against such abuse.

I'm sure they are capable of conducting covert mind control experiments in schools, neighborhoods, etc. and I'm not just speaking about shootings!!

Columbine, of course, was traumatic and I'm sure staged so that they could create even more anxiety and fear within our society (parents and children). Anxiety and fear cause changes in one's brain chemistry. Inability to think clearly.

Every child has to go to school so the fear of possibly becomming the next Columbine will linger with every parent and child for the twelve years they attend public school. Yes, the fear will fade, but then they will do it again, as they did. The fear will fade and just when you think you are safe, they will do it again.

A vicious cycle!!!

TO LIVE IN FEAR!! is what they want!! However, most people do not realize that the FEAR, anxiety and anger that they feel building inside of themselves has been manufactured by the very people whom they elected to protect them for they have given them a false sense of security, but are treasonous traitors!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

I still believe that your mind is your best DEFENSE!!

Once you realize they are LIARS??, you will never trust them again!!!

Bouncer
06-23-2005, 10:33 AM
I must comment on the road tax technology proposed for all motorized vehicles within our borders. Why use such an expensive and invasive solution to a simple problem? This is a clear case of over-reaching, if ever I saw one. When I look at the dashboard of my car, I see a little device that tells me exactly how many miles I drive. It's called an odometer. If the Feds installed a tamper-proof odometer in every car, then they could tell how far each car drives. It's that simple; the device could even have a radio link so that it transmits the information upon activation. But in view of the proposed solution I have to wonder if it isn't part of the Total Information Awareness agenda championed by the DIA.

06-23-2005, 11:33 AM
Bouncer wrote:
I must comment on the road tax technology proposed for all motorized vehicles within our borders. Why use such an expensive and invasive solution to a simple problem? This is a clear case of over-reaching, if ever I saw one. When I look at the dashboard of my car, I see a little device that tells me exactly how many miles I drive. It's called an odometer. If the Feds installed a tamper-proof odometer in every car, then they could tell how far each car drives. It's that simple; the device could even have a radio link so that it transmits the information upon activation. But in view of the proposed solution I have to wonder if it isn't part of the Total Information Awareness agenda championed by the DIA.

Hey, Bouncer, you've got me stumped!!!

Does this relate to mind control? If so, please explain.

If not, perhaps a topic would be appropriate for this subject so the mind control thread doesn't wander off into "no man's land."

It's confusing enough in and of itself!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

8-) :-)

Bouncer
06-24-2005, 12:44 PM
OK, it's not on the core subject, you're right. I consider the TIA as part of mass control and manipulation, or at least with great potential for being used as such.
I am looking into the the use of media subnets for embedding messages. For example: a major news program is airing on cable. You are focussed on the reporter, yet there is someone talking "behind the scenes". This is a production snafu; it shouldn't happen. Let's suppose that someone can hack into the cable signal at my location. They can then combine faint sounds and images with the regular programming, and noone else would see it except me. Almost every program has ambient voices in the background; it would be easy for the sick, devious jerks to use this for their control agenda. Does anyone know if they can access an alter in this fashion, or must it be in person? I believe that access codes often involve occult images or other arcana in order to be effective, so I'm not sure if voice alone is enough.

06-24-2005, 09:29 PM
In my experience, it doesn't have to be in person.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

P. S. I think my CORE personality is ALWAYS "on the lookout" for "triggers" that could switch me into another alter, because I know that it can be accomplished in many ways from my past incarceration in Project Monarch!!

For me, that is one of the most "horrible" memories of my past; TO REMEMBER (oxymoran here) that I don't REMEMBER everything due to the fact that all they had to do was snap their fingers to "call out" another alter and anything I may have remembered was interrogated "out of me" through electricshock and then using hypnosis, drugs, etc., false memories implanted and amnesia created as to the real events.

I distinctly remember sitting in a chair, hooked up to a machine, neck being pushed down, jaw clenched, spewing the words out that "I WILL NEVER TELL YOU WHAT I REMEMBER or SAY WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY."

I believe I was reporting to OTHERS when I was young as to what they were subjecting me to as well as the names of those involved, etc. because I was able to keep my CORE to the front to a certain degree.

I detested the fact that they OWNED me and fought to keep control of myself as much as possible.

I was a SLAVE!! Me and thousands of other children.

AND

They told us slavery was abolished.

"LIARS??"

These men, they have no SCRUPLES!!!

This, in America. The Land of the Free no longer, but certainly still the HOME OF THE BRAVE!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
06-25-2005, 09:32 AM
Programming The Human Mind Remotely :-o :-o :-o

Remote Programming Of Human Brains - Science Breaking Into A Danger Zone
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3158.asp

IndiaDaily Technology Articles
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/tech_default.asp

8-)

Bouncer
07-08-2005, 09:33 AM
BlueAngel: you wrote that you are on the lookout for possible triggers. I have new info about the tapping: it is called "Tap Codes" and is used like snapping the fingers, except that they use tapping noises, such as rapping on the wall or the floor with an object. The "Tap . . tap" is common, as well as one that sounds like "Tap . . Tap . . . . . . . .Tap". There could be combinations that are more complex, however. The people using this on me from the adjacent apartment are trying to elicit certain behaviors from me using the tapping as a trigger. I am white and live in a predominantly black neighborhood, so I wonder if it has something to do with racism? Making me into a white "slave", perhaps? The double tap is also used as an ideomotor signal, meaning, for example, I could be programmed to tap twice everytime I begin to remeber my abuse, or if I have a desire to tell a classified secret, etc., so that a handler would be able to shut me down. I would not be aware of the fact that I was tapping: I would blank out momentarily. If this experience sounds familiar, then perhaps it was used on you.

07-08-2005, 10:05 AM
As far as triggers, I'd have to say that I've never experienced the tap, tap thing!!

I just try to stay focused on the here and now!! If I feel something has triggered me into a space that doesn't feel right, I am vigilant about not allowing it to interfere with my present state of mind.

This, I believe, is what helped me to gather information in the past. I was able, unlike most other victims in the program to be a "fly on the wall" and stay somewhat cognizant when they were otherwise trying to alter my "state of mind."

Bouncer
07-11-2005, 01:52 PM
I find it particularly salient that you refer to being "incarcerated" in the program. This is what it REALLY is! Abduction and detention without law or consent. There may be cults that simulate MONARCH-style abuse and merely impersonate the people behind it, but the trauma for the victims is no less real. Be aware that many of the gruesome things you witnessed might have been "set-ups", meaning that it was just an act, using props and shills, to scare you. You said that you were a fly on the wall: this, I belive, is a really good sign that your core was not split entirely, or maybe not at all. You remained lucid within, as the Hidden Observer. Good for you. If you have a CD player with headphones, try some of the mind-healing binaural programs, such as Hemi-synch, or Holosynch. Hemi-synch is cheaper.

07-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Well, I'll tell you this much. I just remember fighting and resisting. I just KNEW that what they were doing was WRONG and they were doing it to me!!I became a FIGHTER!! I had no other choice.

I believe I suffered severly at some point because I didn't obey orders, but ultimately I believe they knew I was working with others and that this caused even more trouble for me.

"Don't fight us. You will not win," they would say. You only make it worse for yourself.

I believe I was working with others inside the intelligence community and intellectuals/researchers who have been gathering information about this cult/covert government for decades. I still hear their words!!!

I was able to retain much of my CORE because it was so frightening when they called out an alter and I didn't remember when my CORE was back what they did to me.

I just couldn't understand why they would think that I shouldn't resist. How they could do what they did and not feel any remorse about it? How could they think that it was okay to use children as slaves, pets, whatever!!

So, I will say this again. I was young. I didn't understand how people could be so cruel. I tried desperately to make sense of it all and so there were those who told me in these exact words, "these men, they have no scruples."

I didn't understand how I could live in America and not be FREE!!! How my own government was doing this to be and, therefore, I had "no where to run and no where to hide."

I would ask what the meaning of scruples was and they/he would say, it means that these people don't know right from wrong.

I, would assume that in my position I was used by the covert government for illegal activities, but also used by the "good" intelligence officers.

So, I guess you could say that I was a "double agent."

Their dirty deeds helped sow the seeds of the passion I feel for the Constitution and the word FREEDOM!!

Incarcerated does definately describe it for me moreso than saying I was victim. Although I was, I don't like to look at myself that way.

They would say, "once a victim, always a victim." As so, there, again, they helped me to never consider myself as such.

Their words:

"You are our slave and we are your masters." You follow and obey our every order and command.

I couldn't stand being controlled!!

Bouncer
07-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Check out http://www.datafilter.com/alb/bayesianStopping.html
For a nice article and links for countermeasures against gang stalking scenarios that use trauma-based tactics. There is one caveat I would add, however, and that is that the hard-core behavior mod programs (e.g. penal system and psychiatric hospitals) have docility as a goal. They simply want you to give up and stop resisting. They want you to surrender the sovereignty of your mind and heart to them. This used to be called brainwashing. Now it's gov't subsidised "Training." What a bunch of cr*p!
A word about the mechanisms used for programming: experience teaches us a lot about how to survive and about how things work, but experience does not teach us personally how to avoid and survive many dangerous things. If I had no natural fear of heights, I might get too close to the edge and fall off. I wouldn't learn anything from the drop. This is why we have instinct. Instinct fills the gap that is left by experience. This also means that instinctual fears and desires are the strongest; they are "hard-wired" into the mind. This also is why some of the core trauma-based strategies derive their power from the instincts, or the basic "Limbic" drives. Anyone care to comment?

07-12-2005, 04:54 PM
Yes, surrender to them is what they desire; so I became a fighter!! Many children do not have the fighter instinct. They can't resist. They have to surrender through fear and then they are controlled.

They instill the "fear of death" in their victims. Try to make them afraid of everything.

Then the role is switched. The abusers become your protectors. And, the vicious cycle continues. However, I couldn't accept this. Abuse and love never intertwined for me.

I never knew why I was pre-occupied with the thought of dying on a daily basis until I discovered I was a victim of Project Monarch.

Bouncer
07-13-2005, 11:14 AM
See http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm for a sample of actions brought against the CIA and subgrantees involved in the MKULTRA program. I call your attention to a very important concept in this document: the statute of limitations for bringing action against the CIA begins to run only when the victim has access to information that the project exists and that he was possibly a victim of it. This is an oversimplification of the rules of discovery, but you get the point. It is stated in court proceedings that the CIA regards the publication of J. Mark's book, "The Manchurian Candidate" as public notification of the secret mind control programs of the 50's, 60's, and the 70's. Think about what that means. If someone wrote a best-seller about MONARCH, would that bring claims against the abusers? Could you file a petition in court for your abuse?

07-13-2005, 12:03 PM
Bouncer wrote:
See http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm for a sample of actions brought against the CIA and subgrantees involved in the MKULTRA program. I call your attention to a very important concept in this document: the statute of limitations for bringing action against the CIA begins to run only when the victim has access to information that the project exists and that he was possibly a victim of it. This is an oversimplification of the rules of discovery, but you get the point. It is stated in court proceedings that the CIA regards the publication of J. Mark's book, "The Manchurian Candidate" as public notification of the secret mind control programs of the 50's, 60's, and the 70's. Think about what that means. If someone wrote a best-seller about MONARCH, would that bring claims against the abusers? Could you file a petition in court for your abuse?

Okay, so are you saying that John Marks' book was a CIA effort? Is that why there were several boxes overlooked? So, before accepting as TRUTH, the statute of limitations would run out.

However, as far as that issue, if there are two clauses, "when public has information and/or when victim discovers," seems the latter would be the better alternative since the book was written ?? (don't know when and too lazy to check my copy)!!

As far as writing a BEST SELLER about Monarch, well, that makes me SICK. A BEST SELLER!!!! SCREW THAT!!!

Sell the book and give the money to the victims so they can sue the BASTARDS!!! Or, find an attorney who despises the government as much as the rest of us and can devote his time to this effort.

How do you feel about John DeCamp??? Any opinion???

John Marks' book didn't bring claims against the abusers why would a Monarch book accomplish that????

Marks' had evidence in CIA documents re MK and that still didn't bring about any lawsuits by victims except in Canada. If there isn't evidence re Monarch, I don't see how this would be plausible. The book would just be hearsay.

Are you asking if ANYONE who believes they were a victim of MONARCH could file a petition in court if a book were published, my answer is I don't know.

I think that's a question better asked of an attorney.

However, it would be best if all those who believe they were "incarcerated" in Monarch, file a petition if a book were publish and it was a legal course of action that they could pursue.

But, then again, what evidence do you go on for this petition? Recalled memories??? FMSF has already made sure those don't fly in a court of law.

They cover all their bases!!

Bouncer
07-13-2005, 03:15 PM
Okay, I acknowledge that there must be a balance between discretion and opportunity, or just good taste in writing, for that matter. Better to expose through the TV and radio, anyway. John DeCamp? I have Ted Gunderson's tape of the Franklin Cover-Up (a.k.a. the Boy's Town scandal) but I have yet to read an interview of DeCamp. I'll go through it tonight. If Larry King and Michael Jackson build a theme park together, I'm leaving the country!

07-13-2005, 04:21 PM
"Good taste" in writing doesn't lend itself to the mind control programs or MONARCH.

John DeCamp (ex-Senator of Nebraska) wrote "The Franklin Cover-up." There was a trial involving children who were supposedly involved in the sex, pedophile, pornography rings of (OMG, the names escapes me), Republican supporter, Larry something or other. Of course, it came down to the children being the victims and all other perpetrators were never convicted.

You threw me with the mention of King in your last comment and his name seems to be sticking in my head instead.

Please elaborate. You're speaking about Larry King on CNN?

Bouncer
07-14-2005, 09:24 AM
Well, I appear to be bad with names yesterday: J. Marks didn't write the "Manchurian Candidate"; There was a King mentioned in the video pilot about the Boy's Town scandal (a.k.a. The Franklin Cover-Up) so I'll have to go back and review for the facts. Sorry. The video was scheduled to be released and was even listed in the newpaper TV guide, but was supressed at the last minute by You-Know-Who, et al.
Allow me to present a scenario in which invasion of privacy could be justified: the police get a call regarding an EDP (emotionally disturbed person) in the neighborhood. Now, this is happening in a "progressive" little town called Neotopia, CA. They have all the high-tech stuff and are eager to use it. The cops know that the SOP of 24-hour observation in the asylum won't do any good, so they contact the Department of Mental Health. The DMH sends out a team to calm the EDP down by covert means. This means that they use the voice and microwave entrainment technologies to program a signal called an "Off-load" signal. This is the electronic equivalent of what Jose Delgado did to the bull. They might use a standard trigger, such as "Plus, let go", or "Plus, give up", ala the Monroe Institute, but the trigger is really up to the imagination. They will honestly believe that this kind of operation is actuall beneficial to all concerned!
The off-load signal should feel like a gentle little burst of energy in the middle/back of your head, but if done improperly it can result in petit mal seizures. And if these guys make a mistake, so what?

truebeliever
07-14-2005, 09:43 AM
It's a subject I need to read up on. Very interesting what you say Bouncer.

I'm a former R.N. E.D, I.C.U, General wards. Also have alot of friends in research.

Just like to say from an everyday point of view that the scientific community has the brain mapped to the 'nth' degree. They know the EXACT buttons to push.

The brain does not just run on "brain chemicals" running from synapse to synapse...things called "microtubles" run throught brain cells and indeed ALL cells of the body and are intimately involved with neurotransmitter production. These microtubles 'vibrate' at specific frequencies. Very specific. It would be easy to interfere or stimulate them.

The fact is the entire body has receptors for and can make "brain chemicals". Look into PNI or Psycho Neuro Immunolgy.

If you are feeling depressed, your WHOLE body is depressed...literally. The white blood cells become sluggish and less active etc...

The body is truely the barometer of the soul.

"They" know this and I believe apply it on a wide scale. HAARP included.

Something I have to read up on.

07-14-2005, 09:44 AM
John Marks wrote, The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate."

I think the name of the man supposedly connected to "Boys Town" in Lincoln, Nebraska and the pedophile, pornography, prostitution and sex rings whom DeCamp writes about in his book, "The Franklin-Coverup," is Lawrence King.

I'll have to google because now that I believe that to be his name, it is kind of strange when I think of Larry King on CNN.

He was affiliated with the Franklin Credit Union in Nebraska. Probably a drug and sex laundering credit facility.

Bouncer
07-14-2005, 01:27 PM
Thanks, Truebeliever for the info. There's a lot in public domain about brainwave "signatures" and I believe that each individual is unique such that no standard signature will work the same way on everyone. This means that to be effective a covert team would have to profile an individual's brainwaves, and that means violations of unlawful search and seizure. Let us know if you get more!
Thanks, BlueAngel for the corrections and details. They called the guy "Larry" in the video so I got the wrong impression. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the Manchurian Candidate is a CIA effort (although it would serve a pupose for them if it were) but that they deemed it so accurate that it was considered public notification of the existence of the MKULTRA programs. That made it more likely that the statute of limitations would begin to run out for past victims.

07-14-2005, 04:14 PM
Of course, it's all about timing for them. I'm sure the Statute of Limitations has expired for many MKULTRA victims. They always have to be one step ahead. Planning ahead decades in advance. Otherwise, how could all of this BULLSHIT, not just mind control programs, be kept hidden for so long?

When the book was released, I'm sure if only 1% of the population at present believes that mind control programs existed (exist) and that they used citizens of our country unwillingly and unwittingly that the percentage than was zero except for those behind the scenes, etc.

Like TB said they know the human brain inside out. Mapping the human brain. Studying us like we are laboratory rats!!

They know more about us then we know about ourselves and in possession of technology that they use against us.

I am not kidding you. If they tell us they've just discovered a new planet. I don't believe it.

07-14-2005, 10:48 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Thanks, Truebeliever for the info. There's a lot in public domain about brainwave "signatures" and I believe that each individual is unique such that no standard signature will work the same way on everyone. This means that to be effective a covert team would have to profile an individual's brainwaves, and that means violations of unlawful search and seizure. Let us know if you get more!
Thanks, BlueAngel for the corrections and details. They called the guy "Larry" in the video so I got the wrong impression. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the Manchurian Candidate is a CIA effort (although it would serve a pupose for them if it were) but that they deemed it so accurate that it was considered public notification of the existence of the MKULTRA programs. That made it more likely that the statute of limitations would begin to run out for past victims.


That's completely bizarre. They deemed it as public notification and so accurate as to start the clock ticking for a "Statute of Limitations."

If it was so deemed as public notification, I wonder why the PUBLIC WASN'T NOTIFIED.

I read the "Franklin Cover-up" a few years ago. I believe the man's name is Lawrence King (Larry). King Pin, Pornography KING!!

I wrote a piece about it:

"The Franklin Cover-up" investigation has led John DeCamp, former republican senator, to uncover child abuse, satanism, pedophile, prostitution and pornography rings that lead all the way to the White House. There have been 15 deaths associated with this investigation.

The Washington Times headline on Thursday, June 29, 1989 read, "Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House." This was the biggest scandal in the history of the U.S.A. The story received some newspaper coverage but there was a TV News Media blackout on the subject. For this reason, most Americans have never heard of it.

John DeCamp was involved in the production of a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence." It was to air May 3, 1994 on the Discovery Channel. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washinton D.C. for sex orgies. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired.

Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney, John DeCamp, who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

National media interest in the case flickered in 1988, when the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union was raided by federal agencies and shut down. Franklin's manager was Lawrence E. (Larry) King, Jr., then 44, a rising star in state and national Republican circles, an officer of the National Black Republican Council. King sang the national anthem at the GOP national conventions in 1984 and 1988.

The Franklin case, which has dominated political life in Nebraska for three years, has chilling implications for the whole United States. The unfinished business of the Franklin investigation is a matter not only of justice for children in one state, but of the lives of untold numbers of children everywhere. Evidence developed from Franklin and King's activities leads into drug-trafficking, money-laundering, pornography, child prostitution and the kidnapping and sale of children in different parts of the United States and abroad.

"The False Memory Syndrome Foundation" is a CIA front created by the predators of these crimes to cover their tracks. This Foundation blatantly and deliberately refuses to believe the children in this country who come forward with accusations of "satanic ritual abuse." They spread disinformation as it relates to the recovery of childhood memories by female and male adults who are stepping forward by the numbers everyday and reporting to the medical profession that they were victims and are survivors of a government "cult" by the name of MKULTRA/Project Monarch. Their incarceration involved being used in the CIA's pedophile, pornography and prostitution rings. They report trauma-based torture, "satanic ritual abuse" and being subjected to grotesque experimentation in MKULTRA, one of the CIA's/government sponsored mind control programs.

With past survivors recalling such horific childhood abuse, one would think that The False Memory Syndrome Foundation would consider and regard this as a testament to the children in our country who are claiming the same abuse. One would ask that this Foundation research further the phenomena that they present to us without explanation and that is, why one person's brain would have memories of this type of physicial, sexual, emotional, mental and psychological abuse that they suggest never happened, is false, and why another person's brain would not. How and why did it get there?? The psychiatrists on this Board are serving a greater purpose and that is to cover the crimes of those persons within the medical profession, the CIA, the government, the military, our schools, hospitals, universities and the law enforcement authorities who are accomplices in htis "Conspiracy of Silence." Instead, they dismiss our children's cries for help and offer no further explanation other than "recalled" memories are not permissable in court.

The MK in MKULTRA stands for "Manufactured Killers" or Mind Kontrol (German spelling). They were manufacturing assassins in these programs and cold-blooded killers to do their "dirty work" and bidding for them. Survivors tell stories of sufferage at the hands of our government while enslaved in these grotesque "satanic ritual abuse" and trauma-based mind control programs and if you listen closely, you will hear "The Silence Among Us."

Victims of these programs were used as political prostitutes who were "farmed out" to leaders/politicians at home and abroad. Survivors have recalled with great detail and accuracy how they were used to satisfy the sexual deviant behavior of the pedophiles who lurk inside our government, but masquerade in front of the public as men with family values, god-fearing christians who believe in the "right to life," but in reality "snuff" the lives out of children in the porn films that they make at Bohemia Grove or just murder them in cold-blood while performing a satanic ritual. Skinning them alive until there is nothing left but "Skull and Bones."

This facade, of course, has been created purposely to hide their crimes upon humanity and the psychopathic illnesses from which they all suffer. There were several previous members on the Board of "The False Memory Syndrome Foundation" who were connected to these government "mind control" programs/"cults" and one psychiatrist by the name of Pamela Freyd, who is currently a member, and her husband were accused by their own daughter of abuse when she was a child.

The children in these programs are trained to help the adult predators stalk neighborhoods to find their next victim. They "prowl" a particular area for days, watching the acivities of the children who live there. After they have identified their target, they use "mind controlled" children from these programs to participate in the abduction of their victim(s). They threaten and blackmail them with the threat of spending the rest of their lives in jail if they report any of these crimes, in which they have been forced to participate, to the authorities. They are accomplices, it is said. They are just as guilty as the adults who forced them into the criminal act and they will be tried in a court of law as an accomplice if they should ever speak their "evil deeds." This is "The Silence Among Us."

TO BE CONTINUED.......


I must add that Mr. DeCamp has read what I have written.

Bouncer
07-15-2005, 09:53 AM
Wow! Great piece, and you got it to the right people, too. Hmmm, you mention the phrase, "The silence among us" as a motto of the victims/abusers. Perhaps this is why I keep hearing an echoey phrase in and around my home, " . . . but don't tell anybody." This usually has a description of some kind of activity before the "don't tell anybody" tag at the end. Could this be a code or key for secrecy? I must have heard this used on someone in an adjacent apartment. I don't discount the possibility that there are self-styled abusers out there who share control and abuse techniques with each other. Perhaps this is what I am dealing with. Remember what they found at Jon Benet-Ramsey's house!

07-15-2005, 10:08 AM
Do tell. What did they find at Jon-Benet Ramsey's home?

Seems the crime scene was contaminated before authorities arrived.

I consider the "Silence Among Us" to be those who were victimized and cannot speak out due to the fear tactics, torture, etc. that they were subjected to including hypnosis, amnesia, etc.

I also consider that the masses are the "Silence Among Us" as well due to the varying degrees of "covert" mind control that they have been exposed to unwittingly for decades.

I also consider "The Silence Among US" as it relates to the suppression of those who come forward but are discredited.

It is the "Silence Among Us." One of the reasons this corrupt element within our government has been launching forward for decades with the abolishment of our Freedoms unbeknownst to the public in general.

Seems their force field is inpenetrable. Concrete walls provide protection.

07-15-2005, 10:18 AM
Many times before I receive information, I become lethargic and somewhat shaky. I might receive a "suicide command."

I am able now to recognize this as a silence, neutralize and containment method and, therefore, just let it go!!!

It has no place in my life at present. There isn't any reason why I would want to kill myself. It is an instruction from another alter.

You know, I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you or myself.

In the beginning, the physical, emotional symptoms were horrendous when I really began remembering abuse, etc. Sometimes days to recover because I was reliving the trauma that I had blocked from my memory.

I felt like a walking ZOMBIE. Sometimes, sitting on my porch, I was afraid that I would slip back into a trance as I did when I was young and just stare into space.

Fortunately, I had alot of outside and inside help. LOVE!!!

There were days when I couldn't eat. Almost starving myself to death. They inflicted physical symptoms as another silence, neutralize and containment measure.

Especially, the RUN AWAY when I began remembering and feeling like I couldn't confide in my family. Felt like I had to flee, but my husband kept me centered in the here and now.

There were days when I just lied in bed and cried feeling as though they were injecting needles into my head, etc., and filling my brain with false information so that I would feel as if I had committed some crime and could never go PUBLIC.

There were days when hearing the words "Witness Protection Program" would send me into a "dark hole" as I would describe it.

There were days when I thought for sure they were going to kill my children.

Days when my brain was filled with so much information and confusion, I didn't think I would ever be able to focus again on anything except THIS!!

Those days are fading!!!

Bouncer
07-15-2005, 10:22 AM
Okay. The part about level II programming of the masses, especially through the media is I believe correct.
Benet-Ramsey: At the crime scene there was discovered a video tape produced by Michael Aquino. This tape teaches how to make a sexual slave out of a child with the use of a stun gun. Specifically, by using it on the child's face or neck. The autopsy report revealed that Jon had stun gun injuries to her neck. It would be good to confirm that they were not post-mortem.
Twin Towers: I'll tell you what: I had a horrendous time before the 9/11 attacks, including all kind of anger, sadness, and premonitions about BOTH towers falling, and the Pentagon attack. There is one thing that stands out for me, and that is that the attacks are somehow connected to the MONARCH and other trauma-based programs. In other words, to take poetic license, they finally wore out God's patience. There is one phrase that still haunts me: "Don't turn a woman's womb into a torture chamber!" I didn't know what this meant until I began my research into MONARCH, two years later.

07-15-2005, 01:47 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Okay. The part about level II programming of the masses, especially through the media is I believe correct.
Benet-Ramsey: At the crime scene there was discovered a video tape produced by Michael Aquino. This tape teaches how to make a sexual slave out of a child with the use of a stun gun. Specifically, by using it on the child's face or neck. The autopsy report revealed that Jon had stun gun injuries to her neck. It would be good to confirm that they were not post-mortem.
Twin Towers: I'll tell you what: I had a horrendous time before the 9/11 attacks, including all kind of anger, sadness, and premonitions about BOTH towers falling, and the Pentagon attack. There is one thing that stands out for me, and that is that the attacks are somehow connected to the MONARCH and other trauma-based programs. In other words, to take poetic license, they finally wore out God's patience. There is one phrase that still haunts me: "Don't turn a woman's womb into a torture chamber!" I didn't know what this meant until I began my research into MONARCH, two years later.


Where is the report that a stun gun and tape by Aquino was found?

Stun guns are used.

Trying to interpret here: Monarch children speaking out were the reason for the fall of the Towers???

"Don't turn a woman's womb into a torture chamber."

We'll that sounds like good advice. However, didn't you post somewhere in this thread that sometimes children are traumatized in the womb by these BEASTS?

Traumatized before birth is how I remember it. And, then there are "black market babies" and "million dollars babies."

Bouncer
07-15-2005, 03:32 PM
Here is a link which provides abstracts and photos from the autopsy: http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm. This site maintains that a a particular style of stun gun found in the house was NOT used, but there is no attempt to explain the familiar-looking injuries.
The snippet about the video is mentioned in "Trans-Formation of America" by Mark & Cathy. They have a believable story, but they twist and obfuscate the truth a bit. Perhaps this is the compromise they were forced to make.
Monarch Kids: No, not the kids talking; I mean that the evil generated by the inhuman bastards who do this finally attracted the calamity identified by the date 9/11. Call it a wake-up call, if you like. One night I began speaking through tears and clenched jaws myself a few months before the event. I spelled out what would happen and why, in general terms. I had no idea what I was predicting, but now I have the knowledge about MONARCH that fills in the gaps. This kind of thing runs in my family.
My abuse by my wife included trauma-based stuff, mostly sleep abuse and emotional abuse in public. It's hard for me to share about my abuse because of the epithets: if you were a real man . . .; You let her wear the pants in the family . . . etc. But this is just another front of ignorance in our society. Trauma-based abuse is an equal opportunity employer.
Oh by the way, when I was in school (not U of Penn) I heard stories about secret research in back rooms, etc. at the University of Pennsylvania. I believe that they are heavily involved in black bag stuff, including occult practices. Next time you see a black helicopter stalking you, just point your finger and say, "Bang, you're dead!"

07-15-2005, 04:00 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Here is a link which provides abstracts and photos from the autopsy: http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm. This site maintains that a a particular style of stun gun found in the house was NOT used, but there is no attempt to explain the familiar-looking injuries.
The snippet about the video is mentioned in "Trans-Formation of America" by Mark & Cathy. They have a believable story, but they twist and obfuscate the truth a bit. Perhaps this is the compromise they were forced to make.
Monarch Kids: No, not the kids talking; I mean that the evil generated by the inhuman bastards who do this finally attracted the calamity identified by the date 9/11. Call it a wake-up call, if you like. One night I began speaking through tears and clenched jaws myself a few months before the event. I spelled out what would happen and why, in general terms. I had no idea what I was predicting, but now I have the knowledge about MONARCH that fills in the gaps. This kind of thing runs in my family.
My abuse by my wife included trauma-based stuff, mostly sleep abuse and emotional abuse in public. It's hard for me to share about my abuse because of the epithets: if you were a real man . . .; You let her wear the pants in the family . . . etc. But this is just another front of ignorance in our society. Trauma-based abuse is an equal opportunity employer.
Oh by the way, when I was in school (not U of Penn) I heard stories about secret research in back rooms, etc. at the University of Pennsylvania. I believe that they are heavily involved in black bag stuff, including occult practices. Next time you see a black helicopter stalking you, just point your finger and say, "Bang, you're dead!"


First of all, a victim/survivor of Monarch or any other mind control program is NOT, I repeat NOT going to have a believable story by 99 percent of the population if they implicate any political leaders involved in sexual deviant behavior.

It just doesn't fly without evidence/proof. And, yes, perhaps they had to make a deal!!

I still don't get your reference to 911. I'm tired today and the confrontation with TB kind of wore me out. I believe 911 was an inside job and that I knew about it and hence the "suicide commands."

I know what you're talking about, and that sort of thing exists, I believe, within me as well.

For me, 911 was a wake-up call, but it woke me to suicide commands first and after surviving them to my previous abuse. There were other instructions fighting the suicide commands to keep me alive. Informing me that I was about to remember something bigger than I had imagined. And, this in itself, led me to believe that the amnesic childhood I always so wondered about was involved.

You know, the first thing I said to my husband when we met was, "I don't remember my childhood." He always remembers this as something that bothered me. It wasn't the usual fading of memories with time. Something always knawed at me about it. I had a handful of abusive memories, but no beginning and no ending.

I knew it was of a political nature. Something kept telling me that. I was also being warned about events they would stage to try to bring out a "paranoid" personality to discredit me, silence/neutralize and contain.

It was bizarre to say the least.

Whether they thought they would use me again, or not, I don't know.

Whether those were instructions from good guys within the Intelligence arena, I don't know. The suicide commands were so bizarre. I, my core, was frightened because I knew this was not something I wanted to do, and, out of the blue this appears. The fight against it was difficult, but I survived again.

Could be "good" guys and "bad" guys both had an agenda for me. Don't know. Perhaps both sides are without scruples.

Bouncer
07-16-2005, 10:48 AM
If they had any scruples, they wouldn't be involved in the first place. They long ago abandoned any recognition of the intrinsic value of human life. As for codes, feel free to share specifics. I was plagued by two codes shortly after the event: 1) "I am the all-seeing eye, you cannot escape my gaze"; 2) "The glory of Satan is your humiliation." These have a delicious Masonic patina, do they not? I am targeted with paranoia, obviously. These codes came to the surface of my consciousness during a self-hypnosis session, along with other garbage, like, "I am thirsty, I want Mountain Dew." Remember that you are more than the sum of your thoughts and feelings. You have a soul within your body, and that soul can be at peace even though the fear and trembling that they programmed want to take over. Just be calm within yourself, like watching a thunderstorm out the window. It's awesome, but it can't touch you!

07-16-2005, 02:15 PM
Obviously they have "NO" scruples.

In the beginning, especially, when I was on another forum, the trembling and fear were a part of other physical and emotional symptoms that I suffered and would send me to bed for what seemed like several days after receiving "information" from "others" and/or reliving past trauma that was inflicted upon me.

These symptoms have for the most part subsided, I am at peace with myself and I most definitely have a wonderful SOUL!! I love all of those whom I have housed inside who were good and have sought to destroy the evil "ones" that the perpetrators created for their benefit. There were more good than bad, and they have helped me make it through. Without them, "the fighters," I may have become a "walking zombie."

There is one particular entity though, with whom I could live without and she has always known this. There is another entity with whom I will always remember and share a special place with her in my heart. For without her, none of this would have been possible.

Sounds like I'm presenting her with an academy award!!

I have no desire to post on internet web sites any longer. Tricks, mind games are not my cup of tea.

I survived them twice with my brain in tact and I have no DESIRE to make myself a target again due to the "suggestibility" that a mind control victim can be seduced into.

I cannot live in the past, if I am to move on. My reality is not my past. My reality is what I can see, feel, hear, taste and touch around me and this does not occur in cyberspace.

I've sacrificed myself again and it was meaningless.

I don't believe anything I say or do, anything you say or do will stop the criminals in our government from advancing their agenda of the dissolution of the American people's freedom.

P. S. I suggest you indulge in a Mountain Dew and forget about the "all seeing eye." It has no relevance as far as I'm concerned. They can watch me for the rest of my life. Hope they like what they see!!! If not, oh, well, TOO BAD!!! I don't aim to please.

Good Luck in your endeavors,

Bouncer
07-18-2005, 08:48 AM
OK, Blue Angel ,we'll miss you. The spy accusations are based on insufficient information. If someone wants to be prolific with ideas, so much the better. If you are a prolific writer, so much the better. I hope that you will visit from time to time, or drop me a line directly if you like.
As for the panic response, we know that some programming styles use 3-D virtual reality technology, like the kind at big theme parks, etc. Such a technique could be used to gain access to the panic signal in order to approach what they refer to as the "Core" of a person. Example: with precise control of consciousness, they hang someone upside down in the virtual reality studio; the images make it look like the victim is suspended over the ledge of a tall building. Fear of heights is a natural, inborn fear. It would be intense. The sense of being upside down and the perception of being suspended in mid-air would be enough under the "right" conditions. The victim would not consider that there is a movie screen on the floor, it is counterintuitive. I belive that these goons are using an inadequate model of the mind in their studies. It has less to do with splitting the identity, and more to do with access to the "core" signals and then allowing the mind to orchestrate its own defense. The birth of a new persona might feel like breaking out of a cocoon of pain and oppression into a marvelous warmth and light, but it isn't necessarily a new personality, per se. They do not know what it feels like, and they really don't understand what they are doing, or how the mind really works. Do the MONARCH programmers document their failures? I would hypothesize that the inadequacy of their working model would produce certain types of failures in their program. Now THAT would be valuable information!

07-21-2005, 11:28 AM
Insufficient information!! Certainly it doesn't matter one way or the other.

At Peace!!

and

07-21-2005, 11:08 PM
The words "suspended in mid-air" are there, but not much else to go with it. In my mind, when I think of this, I truly see a huge building, something that perhaps houses planes, blimp, not sure. And, with this image, I also see cages that are not accessible unless they can be brought down with a pulley because they are as high as the ceiling. I'm not sure if the cages are suspended from mid-air or not. Just not real clear on the memory. Seems like we were suspended in mid-air from time to time and, perhaps, shaking of the cage to cause fear of falling, etc.

Near death experiences and fright can most probably cause the warmth and light that you speak of once you let go of the fear. As you say, like breaking out of a cacoon. I think the word Monarch for them has several meanings just as I believe the MK in MKULTRA has several meanings.

I'm not clear on how documented failures would be SOMETHING and your statement about using the wrong mind model.

If near death experiences and fear were not inflicted upon their victims to create another personality, their purpose would be what? Panic, paranoia, anxiety, etc.??? Obedience!!

Ahmad
07-22-2005, 02:11 AM
peace Bo,

I haven't read except your last post here, and i wonder why do you talk about a Human-being as if he were a machine!

Such a technique could be used to gain access to the panic signal in order to approach what they refer to as the "Core" of a person.

I belive that these goons are using an inadequate model of the mind in their studies.

From your words i believe they use fear to force the victim to accept "new spirits" on board, which are called in the scripture Jinn-beings, they are the invisible descendant of Satan, God warned us against yielding to their control, i guess these experiments try to facilitate their access to the command room.

The birth of a new persona might feel like breaking out of a cocoon of pain and oppression into a marvelous warmth and light, but it isn't necessarily a new personality, per se.

Thus when under fear, the person gives up to his Jinn (and consequently more Jinns will follow in), his personality naturally changes, a completely different person has taken over his mind and body.

Here are some relevant verses,

[43:36] Anyone who disregards the message of the Most Gracious, we appoint a devil to be his constant companion.

[3:175] It is the devil's system to instill fear into his subjects. Do not fear them and fear Me instead, if you are believers.

[34:41] They will answer, "Be You glorified. You are our Lord and Master, not them. Instead, they were worshiping the jinns; most of them were believers therein."

Conclusion: Those who yield to the fear instilling techniques of Satan are wronging their souls, if they are real believers they would know that Nobody and Nothing has any power of its own, all power (of harm and benefit) belongs to God alone, thus there is no need to harbor fear of the creatures. It is a spiritual battle in the first place, the enemy wants to occupy your mind and body, your mission is to resist their temptations and intimidations.

The ideal situation is the Human (the real you) in charge of his body and mind and the Jinn-companion subservient follower, Satan wants to distort God's design in order to reign.

[51:56] I did not create the jinns and the humans except to worship Me alone.

[7:12] He said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you?" He said, "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."

The only cure is; Submission to God alone.

Ahmad

Bouncer
07-22-2005, 09:07 AM
Hello, Ahmad! It's been a while. The theme of softening-up a subject to make it easier for inhuman spirits to control or oppress is spoken of by those who were involved at high levels. Cisco Wheeler is one case in point. As for speaking of humans as machines: I spoke of brain signals; it is a metaphor that describes the neurological functions of the brain, which is a bundle of nerves (and other things). But I firmly aver that man is a soul AND a body. Some can be spiritually dead (Al-Mowt) inside, but alive outside. God's plan was for both the body AND the soul to be alive on the earth!
Blue Angel: I've heard about cages like that; each time I remember something painful from my past, I begin the process of putting myself back together again. I guess it's better to remember than not be aware of anything, although the knowledge can be more painful than the ignorance.
Obedience? Yes! The suggestions and directions they implant are supposed to imitate our own thoughts and decisions, but sooner or later we know how to tell the difference. None of their psychological damage is irreversible.

07-22-2005, 06:07 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Hello, Ahmad! It's been a while. The theme of softening-up a subject to make it easier for inhuman spirits to control or oppress is spoken of by those who were involved at high levels. Cisco Wheeler is one case in point. As for speaking of humans as machines: I spoke of brain signals; it is a metaphor that describes the neurological functions of the brain, which is a bundle of nerves (and other things). But I firmly aver that man is a soul AND a body. Some can be spiritually dead (Al-Mowt) inside, but alive outside. God's plan was for both the body AND the soul to be alive on the earth!
Blue Angel: I've heard about cages like that; each time I remember something painful from my past, I begin the process of putting myself back together again. I guess it's better to remember than not be aware of anything, although the knowledge can be more painful than the ignorance.
Obedience? Yes! The suggestions and directions they implant are supposed to imitate our own thoughts and decisions, but sooner or later we know how to tell the difference. None of their psychological damage is irreversible.



Bouncer,

I have a more "normal" life than most people who weren't "mind control" victims.

I don't want to get into specifics here. But, my biological family abandoned me once this subject was broached.

My husband, my three children, my friends, my faith and my husband's large family have been there for me every step of the way.

Most people who know me do not look at me like a broken person. They see a happy, stable, loving, caring individual.

Difficult at times?? Definitely. Lessening now? Definitely.

Like I said, I live in the present.

I have memories of my past and I deal with them as I can, but THEY will not destroy the love and faith I have in myself, GOD and my family.

Oh, and my family doctor whose mother was almost killed during the Holocaust, is a GEM!!

P. S. I did not accept their demons. I did not accept SATAN. I did not accept that I was possessed.

I rejected it all. I was young. It was STUPID as far as I was concerned.

07-22-2005, 07:27 PM
The "goons" are some sick bastards. I've already been through this memory and do not care to re-visit it.

Torture to them is like eating a five course meal and burping afterwards for a job well done.

I was sent to the goons quite often. Dungeons, chains, leashes, etc. Whips, stun guns!! I wasn't a "good" little soldier. I didn't obey orders. I stepped out of line. I gave out classified information. Into the brink I was ordered.

I BLABBED TOO MUCH!!

Why, oh, why, did I fight???

Because the freakin' men had no scruples and I wasn't about to succumb to their world. I wasn't about to forgive or forget what they did. I wasn't about becomming their slave. I wasn't about being passive. I wasn't about accepting their disgusting behavior as appropriate.

I just wasn't about to let go of ME. GOD created me as he did and I wasn't about to let anyone change me.

There were those OUT THERE who helped me through.

I'm not talking "alters." I'm talking those who knew what was happening.

Those who know what is happening now!!

07-22-2005, 07:40 PM
Ahmad,

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Do not infect this thread with your Jinn-beings dissertation and please do not include biblical quotes.

Those with knowledge of mind control programs HAVE NEVER mentioned Jinn-beings.

Please believe in yourself through yourself. References to validate your being only proves that you do not follow your heart!!!

And, please do the appropriate research into mind control programs.

There is no logical explanation for the behavior of the men who are involved in these disgusting abuses of humans. It cannot be put into perspective through the bible, Mohammad, Jesus, God, whatever.

It just cannot!!!

truebeliever
07-22-2005, 10:58 PM
I was sent to the goons quite often. Dungeons, chains, leashes, etc. Whips, stun guns!! I wasn't a "good" little soldier. I didn't obey orders. I stepped out of line. I gave out classified information. Into the brink I was ordered.

I BLABBED TOO MUCH!!

Why, oh, why, did I fight???

[TB is eating popcorn]...

"So...whens the movie out?"

truebeliever
07-22-2005, 10:59 PM
Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Do not infect this thread with your Jinn-beings dissertation and please do not include biblical quotes.

Annoying is'nt it?

truebeliever
07-22-2005, 11:06 PM
Please believe in yourself through yourself. References to validate your being only proves that you do not follow your heart!!!

You cannot "know yourself" through yourself.

An appropriate mirror is nescessary.

I recommend a good therapist.

This site is generally agreed to be about information on the dastardly machinations of a little concoction called the New World Order Program.

Your running commentary on your sex slave status has a fairly contrite middle and a predictable end.

BOUNCER says interesting things while mentioning his own experiences in the context of dispensing info.

You just annoy people endlessly with your waffle.

My Father was one of 15 who was raped and abused by the Catholic Church.

They did'nt have the internet in his day so he passed it on to some degree.

I never had the internet so I went to a therapist who worked with me based loosly on the Jungian method of dream work while also utilising the basic tennents of "mirroring" and a compassionate ear.

I am doing this for your own good.

Forget about any "speacialness" regarding your experiences as sex slave.

Women have been in that role for a while now thats why Oprah does so well.

I used to get hit on the head with lumps of wood...happens to the best of us. We get over it.

07-22-2005, 11:39 PM
I heard "Wedding Crashers" is great. Don't wait on my movie.

They have great popcorn at the theatre, TB.

Go on, get OUT!!

07-22-2005, 11:51 PM
truebeliever wrote:
Please believe in yourself through yourself. References to validate your being only proves that you do not follow your heart!!!

You cannot "know yourself" through yourself.

Why do you feel that you have to correct everyone's thoughts??? I know myself through myself. PERIOD!!

An appropriate mirror is nescessary.

CONDESCENDING!!

I recommend a good therapist.

CONDESCENDING!!

This site is generally agreed to be about information on the dastardly machinations of a little concoction called the New World Order Program.

Excsuse me??? This site isn't generally agreed to be about anything you say it is.

Your running commentary on your sex slave status has a fairly contrite middle and a predictable end.

Then don't read it!!

BOUNCER says interesting things while mentioning his own experiences in the context of dispensing info.

Oh, Bouncer is better than me!! Actually, I enjoy speaking with Bouncer. You, I could do without!!

You just annoy people endlessly with your waffle.

I think the same could be said about you, Mr. Know it All!!

My Father was one of 15 who was raped and abused by the Catholic Church.

They did'nt have the internet in his day so he passed it on to some degree.

Excuse me, but JIMBO created this thread about MKULTRA and Mind Control. It's not about your father. Sorry for his problems, though!!!

I never had the internet so I went to a therapist who worked with me based loosly on the Jungian method of dream work while also utilising the basic tennents of "mirroring" and a compassionate ear.

Oh, so you were abused. By whom? Father, Priest? Perhaps you need another round of therapy!!

I am doing this for your own good.

My own good!! Get Real!! Whom the FUCK do you think you are????

Forget about any "speacialness" regarding your experiences as sex slave.

Specialness!! Not!! It's actually something most victims hide from!!!

Women have been in that role for a while now thats why Oprah does so well.

What a jerk!!

I used to get hit on the head with lumps of wood...happens to the best of us. We get over it.

Like I said, What a Jerk!!


So, TB, let's hear about your VAST knowledge of mind control, Mr. Genius.

07-22-2005, 11:57 PM
OMG!!!! SO THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. TOO MANY HITS OVER THE HEAD WITH LUMPS OF WOOD!!!!



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P


Use those "two words" one more time and a lump of wood may be coming your way again.

You'll deserve it!!!

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 12:12 AM
Why do you feel that you have to correct everyone's thoughts??? I know myself through myself. PERIOD!!

Strange. I heard a rumour Bush would often say this to Karl Rove...

Through his permanent ear peice.

Ahmad
07-23-2005, 12:16 AM
Well BA,

Your loud voice doesn't decieve me, what a hypocrite you are.

I don't mind if you don't believe in God, since God says everybody is free to believe what he wants, but stop attacking the believers in God and His word.

If you really have been through these mind control experiments, then i have to say they have succeeded, you are a good example of a multiple personality Liar.


"There is no proof of GOD. Never was, never will be!!
It's all hearsay!!

A great story concocted for the people!! so they can control through another force that is bigger than they are!!

What if we were all creatures from another planet???

God is within not without!!! "BA


Reverence God and stop worshipping yourself or else stop saying that you believe in Him while you don't, stop lying. and most of all stop attacking others.

Ironically you use the same argument of the Muslim hypocrites, "Those with knowledge said...you have no knowledge.." well, i think it doesn't take a college degree in mind-control to see the demonic posession for what it is, and by the way Cisco Wheeler has mentioned it, ask Bo.

Ahmad

07-23-2005, 12:18 AM
truebeliever wrote:
Why do you feel that you have to correct everyone's thoughts??? I know myself through myself. PERIOD!!

Strange. I heard a rumour Bush would often say this to Karl Rove...

Through his permanent ear peice.


What does that have to do with the price of eggs???

You're wandering way off topic.

What?

Am I suppose to think with this suggestion that I have some permanent earpiece or something?

Like I said, too many hits over the head with a piece of wood!!

FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!

You sound like one of them, TB!!!

You know, when someone is abusive, but they tell you it's for your own good!

And, you heard this rumor about Bush. From whom. Please, give details.

OOOHHHH!!! Sex slave, huh? Thought you'd hurt me with that one, didn't you???

Well, if that's what you want to call me, TB, sticks and stones will break my bones....

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 12:35 AM
Why do you feel that you have to correct everyone's thoughts??? I know myself through myself. PERIOD!!

Yes. This appears to be the problem.

A self sustaining delusion involving sex slavery and beatings.

[TB is finishing off his popcorn]

So...like I was saying...about the movie.

Will it be "low brow" and focus on the sex scenes, or will it go more "high brow" and focus more on the tortured soul nature of the experience?

I suggest going with both as it will serve 2 deomographics and increase ticket sales.

It's just a matter of getting the balance right.

Some good sex scenes that will get the bored married couples in will have to be done graphically though tastefully.

Who will be playing you? I like Natalie Portman as she is a hottie!!!!!

http://images.art.com/images/products/small/10103000/10103005.jpg

However, she is too "nymph" like so we will need a more mature actress who appears more "street wise".

I suggest that "dish" out of Pirates Of The Carribean as she plays a "street ho" well in that latest production with the guy out of the Pianist and The Village and is VERY easy on the eye.

http://www.aclasscelebs.com/keirak/images/keiraK012_jpg.jpg

She's on the far left.

We can have the former wife of Ted Turner playing you in the therapists office later in life and also at the keyboard waffling incoherent sentences into cyber space.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/monster-in-law.JPG

A book to follow up the flick will do well so I'll give a friend I know in the game a buzz.

Will get back!

Do you have an agent?

http://www.angelfire.com/on/AustinPowers/evil-pinky.jpg

Mwaaaaa...Mwaaaaa

07-23-2005, 12:36 AM
Ahmad wrote:
Well BA,

Your loud voice doesn't decieve me, what a hypocrite you are.

What? You think I'm trying to deceive you? Paranoid, are you?

I don't mind if you don't believe in God, since God says everybody is free to believe what he wants, but stop attacking the believers in God and His word.

You don't mind if I don't believe in GOD!!! Who are you to judge???? and give approval????? I'm not attacking you. I just ask that you stop using GOD for the basis of all your arguments and discussions.

If you really have been through these mind control experiments, then i have to say they have succeeded, you are a good example of a multiple personality Liar.

Really!! I'm a LIAR!!! About what????

"There is no proof of GOD. Never was, never will be!!
It's all hearsay!!

There is no proof of GOD, Ahmad. It's a matter of what you choose to believe as PROOF!!!! Different for all of us.

A great story concocted for the people!! so they can control through another force that is bigger than they are!!

Exactly. Now, you choose either to believe in a GOD that is GOOD and model yourself in his goodness or choose to believe in a BOOK that you must follow trying for all of your life to understand what it is he wants from you. What he wants is GOODNESS!! Pure and simple. GOD is not that complicated. He is the essence of beauty and grace. He is the being of love and abundance. He is GOD, Ahmad and he is GOOD.

What if we were all creatures from another planet???

What if we were???

God is within not without!!! "BA

God is within you. Feel him. He is not outside of you. He is YOU!!!


Reverence God and stop worshipping yourself or else stop saying that you believe in Him while you don't, stop lying. and most of all stop attacking others.

Ironically you use the same argument of the Muslim hypocrites, "Those with knowledge said...you have no knowledge.." well, i think it doesn't take a college degree in mind-control to see the demonic posession for what it is, and by the way Cisco Wheeler has mentioned it, ask Bo.

Ahmad


You need to use your brain and stop validating yourself through scriptures and demons. If you want to speak about demons and mind control, please do. You don't need Bouncer to do so. It doesn't mean that I ever acknowledged them or any other victim for that matter. You seem to insinutate that you hold hatred in your heart for those of us who were subjected to the rituals of "satanic abuse" against our own free fill. Ahmad, God would want you to be forgiving.

07-23-2005, 12:42 AM
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truebeliever wrote:
Why do you feel that you have to correct everyone's thoughts??? I know myself through myself. PERIOD!!

Yes. This appears to be the problem.

A self sustaining delusion involving sex slavery and beatings.

[TB is finishing off his popcorn]

So...like I was saying...about the movie.

Will it be "low brow" and focus on the sex scenes, or will it go more "high brow" and focus more on the tortured soul nature of the experience?

I suggest going with both as it will serve 2 deomographics and increase ticket sales.

It's just a matter of getting the balance right.

Some good sex scenes that will get the bored married couples in will have to be done graphically though tastefully.

Who will be playing you? I like Natalie Portman as she is a hottie!!!!!

However, she is too "nymph" like so we will need a more mature actress who appears more "street wise".

I suggest that "dish" out of Pirates Of The Carribean as she plays a "street ho" well in that latest production with the guy out of the Pianist and The Village and is VERY easy on the eye.

We can have the former wife of Ted Turner playing you in the therapists office later in life and also at the keyboard waffling incoherent sentences into cyber space.

A book to follow up the flick will do well so I'll give a friend I know in the game a buzz.

Will get back!

Do you have an agent?

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED ME!!!!!!!! YOU SICK FUCKING BASTARD. LIKE I WOUD FREAKIN' DO A MOVIE LIKE THAT ABOUT MYSELF?? ALTHOUGH THEY STOLE MOST OF MY RESPECT, I STILL HAVE SOME LEFT AND NOW YOU HAVE JUST FUCKED WITH MY HEAD, YOU FREAKIN' RETARD!!! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH A FUCKING BOOK OR A MOVIE OR A FUCKING AGENT!! DON'T EVER SPEAK TO ME AGAIN, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 01:01 AM
YOU HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED ME!!!!!!!! YOU SICK FUCKING BASTARD. LIKE I WOUD FREAKIN' DO A MOVIE LIKE THAT ABOUT MYSELF?? ALTHOUGH THEY STOLE MOST OF MY RESPECT, I STILL HAVE SOME LEFT AND NOW YOU HAVE JUST FUCKED WITH MY HEAD, YOU FREAKIN' RETARD!!! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH A FUCKING BOOK OR A MOVIE OR A FUCKING AGENT!! DON'T EVER SPEAK TO ME AGAIN, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

[TB licks the last bit of salt off his fingers from his popcorn]

"So...what are you trying to say?"

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 01:10 AM
Why are you upset?

Not happy with Jane Fonda?

I dont blame you.

How about...

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/31/35/12m.jpg

She plays the hanted and tortured soul well?

Ahmad
07-23-2005, 02:27 AM
I believe TB that ridicule is always wrong, peace.

[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 02:29 AM
YOU HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED ME!!!!!!!! YOU SICK FUCKING BASTARD. LIKE I WOUD FREAKIN' DO A MOVIE LIKE THAT ABOUT MYSELF?? ALTHOUGH THEY STOLE MOST OF MY RESPECT, I STILL HAVE SOME LEFT AND NOW YOU HAVE JUST FUCKED WITH MY HEAD, YOU FREAKIN' RETARD!!! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH A FUCKING BOOK OR A MOVIE OR A FUCKING AGENT!! DON'T EVER SPEAK TO ME AGAIN, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

By gum Worzel! She's abusing us!

Listen up BA...if that is your real name...you are lucky i am not Jewish!

I would have you up on hate crime charges!

[note to self: she's worked out i'm a peice of shit. How to deflect her accurate vernacular? Of course! The Jewish way to deflect criticism!]

6 million!, 6 million!,6 millionh!, 6 million,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,...

[second note to self: there, that should keep things at bay for awhile]

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 02:31 AM
Aha! You have taught me TOO well Ahmed!

I have been holding my tounge long enough.

You taught me..."but if evil is unrepentant...?"

Ahmad
07-23-2005, 02:46 AM
peace TB,

By all means, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but i can't find any ridicule in her posts, or maybe you can mention some!

Ahmad

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 02:49 AM
Does "waffle" count?

Besides, who say's I was "ridiculing"...

http://www.austinpowers.com/images/movieinfo/frame_header_right.jpg

igwt
07-23-2005, 02:52 AM
truebeliever wrote:
YOU HAVE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED ME!!!!!!!! YOU SICK FUCKING BASTARD. LIKE I WOUD FREAKIN' DO A MOVIE LIKE THAT ABOUT MYSELF?? ALTHOUGH THEY STOLE MOST OF MY RESPECT, I STILL HAVE SOME LEFT AND NOW YOU HAVE JUST FUCKED WITH MY HEAD, YOU FREAKIN' RETARD!!! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH A FUCKING BOOK OR A MOVIE OR A FUCKING AGENT!! DON'T EVER SPEAK TO ME AGAIN, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

By gum Worzel! She's abusing us!

Listen up BA...if that is your real name...you are lucky i am not Jewish!

I would have you up on hate crime charges!

[note to self: she's worked out i'm a peice of shit. How to deflect her accurate vernacular? Of course! The Jewish way to deflect criticism!]

6 million!, 6 million!,6 millionh!, 6 million,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million,6 million!, 6 million!,6 million!, 6 million!,...

[second note to self: there, that should keep things at bay for awhile]

What would happen if she just happen to be Jewish?

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 03:04 AM
What would happen if she just happen to be Jewish?

Be careful...

http://shopping.yahoo.com/video/images/muze/dvd/sm/03/203303.jpg

truebeliever
07-23-2005, 03:09 AM
In my defense it was at this point...

The "goons" are some sick bastards. I've already been through this memory and do not care to re-visit it.

Torture to them is like eating a five course meal and burping afterwards for a job well done.

I was sent to the goons quite often. Dungeons, chains, leashes, etc. Whips, stun guns!! I wasn't a "good" little soldier. I didn't obey orders. I stepped out of line. I gave out classified information. Into the brink I was ordered.

I BLABBED TOO MUCH!!

Why, oh, why, did I fight???

...that I popped the pop corn in the pan and commenced frying.

igwt
07-23-2005, 03:29 AM
truebeliever wrote:
What would happen if she just happen to be Jewish?

Be careful...

http://shopping.yahoo.com/video/images/muze/dvd/sm/03/203303.jpg


Interestingly enough, reads some years ago that the the author George Orwell or Aldous Huxley author of Brave New World - think it's Huxley from memory - had a brother that was in a secret society, and the novel was a type of Roman à clef. Definition below.

Roman à clef (pronounced roh-máhn a clay) is French for "novel with a key."
It's a novel in which actual events are given a superficial fictional mask;

truebeliever
07-24-2005, 12:27 AM
NOHOPE

BA is a "fake" and I am sick of her.

To even compare her to Mary is insulting.

[TB whacks NOHOPE!]

Now snap out of it.

truebeliever
07-24-2005, 01:17 AM
IGWT

Yes it was..."Huxley from memory - had a brother that was in a secret society, and the novel was a type of Roman à clef."



I like tha cut o ya jib man!

"Roman à clef (pronounced roh-máhn a clay) is French for "novel with a key."

I have filed that little peice of info!

The next time I am holding court, cognac in one hand and pipe in the other at some swank NWO gathering...just before the "eyes wide shut people come out"...I will be able to dazzle a few of the ladies.

Indeed there are plenty of books exactly in that mould.

Even Lucas and Star Wars are having a go using the same method.

Keep those definitions coming!

nohope187
07-24-2005, 07:58 PM
truebeliever wrote:
NOHOPE

BA is a "fake" and I am sick of her.

To even compare her to Mary is insulting.

[TB whacks NOHOPE!]

Now snap out of it.Thanx for lookin out for me, True. I honestly don't know if she's really a mind control victim or not and I don't really care either. She's does sound a little bit fucked in the head at times which kinda lends credibility but, I don't think it's all that big a deal. Why the fuck do you even care anyway? She does happen to have some good points, so I give her credit where it's due.
So True, go get yourself a beer or a smoke and chill the fuck out man, and lighten up. :roll: :pint: :evil: :-o :oops: :cry: 8-) :hammer:

Bouncer
07-26-2005, 01:18 PM
Wow. I'm a little embarrassed that someone metioned me in some kind of flame-out. I thought that we were here to share experience and information so that each piece would eventually fit together to make the "Big Picture", or something like that. Everything is useful, and the winds of reason and wisdom will eventually blow away the chaff from the grain.
In addition to "Submerged" with Steven Seagal, I noticed in "Glimmer Man" that there is a portrayal of an assassin slave. The character Chirstopher Maynard exhibits programmed responses when confronted in the church by Seagal. When asked to reveal classified information, Maynard put his hands to his head and said, "There's too much pain here, I have to go now." And when Seagal persisted, the Omega (suicide) codes took effect. I take no delight in the depiction of torture, etc., and hope that the media's efforts to raise public awareness takes the fine line between modesty and the need to know.

truebeliever
07-26-2005, 08:07 PM
BOUNCER. I have enjoyed your posts here. They are VERY informative. We cant know everything so this stuff I leave to others.

However, BA has made many members leave due to her ruining threads with her waffle.

I have stayed silent for weeks and even exchanged views with her.

She puts new members straight off the site. People I have asked to come here have simply left after observing the front page.

She is obviously on the high end of the bipolar scale.

I hope she's in therapy and returns with something to say.

Or, perhaps something more sinister.

Whatever. She can stop ruining others threads. I've had a gutfull of her.

Best.

Everything is useful, and the winds of reason and wisdom will eventually blow away the chaff from the grain.

No, sometimes the shit just needs to be removed as sson as possible as it simply stinks.

On the matter of having an open and tolerent mind...i think NOHOPE's view on open minds is most succinct.

truebeliever
07-26-2005, 11:06 PM
Everything is useful, and the winds of reason and wisdom will eventually blow away the chaff from the grain.

I agree %100!

She is a spoiler.

You have an excellent grasp of 'prose' BOUNCER. ;)

Bouncer
07-27-2005, 09:40 AM
OK, I hope that everyone here can give as much as they get, then we all come out ahead, I guess that's all I meant.
Here is a link regarding Spin Programming: http://www.m-a-h.net/library/abuse/ra-spin.htm. Note that it is reported from a clinical perspective, which in my eyes gives it a high level of credibility. The equipment necessary to spin someone can be found in any hospital, or can be put together ad-hoc in a private home or office. What I am not sure about is the neurological access which they achieve by this method. Any thoughts?

07-30-2005, 06:29 PM
truebeliever wrote:
BOUNCER. I have enjoyed your posts here. They are VERY informative. We cant know everything so this stuff I leave to others.

However, BA has made many members leave due to her ruining threads with her waffle.

I have stayed silent for weeks and even exchanged views with her.

She puts new members straight off the site. People I have asked to come here have simply left after observing the front page.

She is obviously on the high end of the bipolar scale.

I hope she's in therapy and returns with something to say.

Or, perhaps something more sinister.

Whatever. She can stop ruining others threads. I've had a gutfull of her.

Best.

Everything is useful, and the winds of reason and wisdom will eventually blow away the chaff from the grain.

No, sometimes the shit just needs to be removed as sson as possible as it simply stinks.

On the matter of having an open and tolerent mind...i think NOHOPE's view on open minds is most succinct.


Yes, sometimes the SHIT in this thread needs to be removed and you, TB, have infected it.

Entry onto this thread by "spoilers" such as yourself is no longer allowed.

If you don't know the codes, keys and/or triggers, access will be denied.

Why is it when you are asked a question, point blank, you don't answer??

A simple question such as the one a poster asked you, "and, if she was JEWISH?"

We are still awaiting an answer from Mr. Know It All!!

07-30-2005, 06:31 PM
Oh, and by the way, I haven't changed my opinion.

You are still a disgusting person!!

07-31-2005, 07:51 PM
Somewhere TB, I do recall that you said, "I was being led by the nose."

Care to explain?

Who is leading me?

I march to the beat of my own drummer. I'm sure that is quite clear by now!!

07-31-2005, 07:54 PM
And, if I were Jewish?

And, who is leading me by the nose?

You shouldn't make comments about others if you can't back them up with answers.

This, my friend, only shows how morally corrupt you are.

Bouncer
08-08-2005, 01:42 PM
I have something new that might be a breakpoint for more research. "They" (those who put together ad-hoc programs and who experiment nonconsensually on civilians) can and I believe do use EDP data as part of their harassment/programming. They take EDP readings while the victim is in situ, and either play them back or imitate the messages at different times and situations. I fail to see what objective results this might produce except to make the victim more vulnerable to suggestion, or perhaps more vulnerable to the inhuman spirits that produced the EDP in the first place. This fits the two-prong attack model discussed earlier regarding the apparent cooperation of programmers with invading inhuman spirits (or vice versa).

08-08-2005, 02:33 PM
"Spin programming."

!!

Are you speaking about "psychic driving?"

Yeoshua
08-08-2005, 03:44 PM
I wrote about Montauk months ago and you all said "eh? what? Freemasonry-boy.

I wrote about Cryptorchidism, and you all told me to fuck off.

I wrote about www.educateyourself.org and now many of you quote it.

I worte about non-lethal microwave weapons, they're in the press at the minute.

I wish some of you would just listen.

I wrote about the screen frequency of computer game, the sounds they use..........

Superficial?

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

You lot thing it's dug in soil, nah, the rabbit lives in sand.

Bouncer
08-08-2005, 03:55 PM
Hello BA: I'm in the post race! It'll take a while to catch up to you, though. For spinning see post #120 in this thread for the link to the clinical overview of "Spin Programming." Spinning apparently uses the mechanism of disorientation and the accompanying nausea, etc. that is the result of spinning. It is a form of psycho-physical trauma that would not leave a trace. How rapidly and how long the spinning endures? I'm not sure. I experimented with a DIY spin in my apartment using a swivel chair. If you can position a subject's head so that he is looking straight up at the ceiling (e.g. the axis of rotation is between the eyes) and spin evenly, the sensation can be euphoric to nauseating, depending on the speed of the spin and how the room is lighted, etc. As for psychic driving; this is one of the methods used by the fools out here: they seem to think that repeating phrases (sometimes in a loud whisper) will work E. Cameron's magic. It doesn't, but it is truly annoying at times, nonetheless.

Bouncer
08-08-2005, 04:00 PM
Yo, Y: Cryptorchidism? Never heard of it. What's the link? I'd like to know more. As for Masons, I don't know what your angle on them is, But anyone who takes a blood oath to serve Osiris, Ashtaroth, Jabulon, Marduk, or any other pagan deity can get themselves into serious trouble in their spiritual lives. Comment??

08-08-2005, 04:29 PM
Okay, Y, I don't know your history, but if you're writing about them, they ARE NOT going to support you.

They're probably behind the SHIT you find yourself in at the moment.

The "rabbit hole" is deep. I've been down the rabbit hole and through the looking glass, but now I'm back.

08-08-2005, 04:32 PM
I know this was practiced at home, but I would think they have "spin cages."

08-18-2005, 10:11 PM
nohope187 wrote:

truebeliever wrote:
NOHOPE

BA is a "fake" and I am sick of her.

To even compare her to Mary is insulting.

[TB whacks NOHOPE!]

Now snap out of it.Thanx for lookin out for me, True. I honestly don't know if she's really a mind control victim or not and I don't really care either. She's does sound a little bit fucked in the head at times which kinda lends credibility but, I don't think it's all that big a deal. Why the fuck do you even care anyway? She does happen to have some good points, so I give her credit where it's due.
So True, go get yourself a beer or a smoke and chill the fuck out man, and lighten up. :roll: :pint: :evil: :-o :oops: :cry: 8-) :hammer:



Oh, do I dare pull this thread up!?!

"fucked in the head, but lends credibility."

Oh, you have such an eloquent way of speaking, NoHope!!

"A fake!!"

Who would FAKE their victimization in a mind control program???

For what purpose???

By the way, both maternal grandparents were Jewish and I only found this out about a year ago.

And, so what would this mean if TB were here??

igwt
08-18-2005, 11:16 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

nohope187 wrote:

truebeliever wrote:
NOHOPE

BA is a "fake" and I am sick of her.

To even compare her to Mary is insulting.

[TB whacks NOHOPE!]

Now snap out of it.Thanx for lookin out for me, True. I honestly don't know if she's really a mind control victim or not and I don't really care either. She's does sound a little bit fucked in the head at times which kinda lends credibility but, I don't think it's all that big a deal. Why the fuck do you even care anyway? She does happen to have some good points, so I give her credit where it's due.
So True, go get yourself a beer or a smoke and chill the fuck out man, and lighten up. :roll: :pint: :evil: :-o :oops: :cry: 8-) :hammer:



Oh, do I dare pull this thread up!?!

"fucked in the head, but lends credibility."

Oh, you have such an eloquent way of speaking, NoHope!!

"A fake!!"

Who would FAKE their victimization in a mind control program???

For what purpose???

By the way, both maternal grandparents were Jewish and I only found this out about a year ago.

And, so what would this mean if TB were here??

Blue Angel

If it is any consolation, I was told as a child, "Insult and criticism only has as much power as the ammunition you give it."

IGWT

Arjuna
08-19-2005, 01:01 AM
I have only become involved in this forum recently, but I caught the tail end of the great battle between truebeliever and BlueAngel.

On this forum, I prefer not to engage in loud arguments, cursing, yelling, and so forth, and passing judgment on another person is a grave error. We are a unique group, seeking the truth in world saturated with lies. We all learn over time, and change our opinions regarding the truth. As we pursue this path, I believe it is wise to agree or disagree in a civil and respectful manner. Believe me, I have been completely wrong about many things in my life; I welcome anyone who disagrees with anything I post, and, who knows, I might change my mind. I respect the opinions of all sincere contributors. We can take turns teaching each other something of value.

BlueAngel has been very open about her traumatic past and its continuing adverse affect on her. I too am a card carrying member of the "damaged goods not yet healed club." I believe BlueAngel has demonstrated great courage by sharing her past and ongoing struggles. In my mind, her presence here is a big asset.

truebeliever spoke of his abusive past, and claimed to be healed. His behavior, particularly at the end, argues strongly to the contrary. In my opinion, he has far more in common with BlueAngel than he is willing to admit. Sometimes an angel comes to help us to heal; it is unwise to turn and run, but if we do, the angel will return again later, for deep down, we all desire healing. I miss truebeliever's brilliant insights on and analysis of many topics, and I would be happy if he returned to this forum in a better frame of mind.

BlueAngel claims to be a victim of a very specific and intense form of institutionalized brainwashing. I believe her. What she experienced was intimately and primarily related to the diabolical NWO conspiracy; thus, her experience constitutes a valid and important topic for discussion on this forum. My own brainwashing was only casually related to NWO influences; the primary influence for me was my crazy father. The end result is the same: fractured mental and emotional bodies, and a lifetime of struggle attempting to piece together the true self.

Mental and emotional illnesses are epidemic throughout humanity. There are many causes. MKULTRA informs us of some of the sinister forces that deliberately promote these conditions in order to enslave the victims. We will never defeat the Satanic forces that rule this world if we don't make the facilitation of mental and emotional healing a primary focus of our efforts.

freeman
08-19-2005, 12:22 PM
Bravo, Arjuna. If I knew how to post a cartoon image of clapping hands, I would at this point. So I'll settle for this: :hammer:

Believe me, I have been completely wrong about many things in my life

Amen. Five years ago I would have considered everyone on this forum to be a tinfoil hat nutjob. But as Reverend Martin Niemoller testified at the Nuremburg War Trials, "Then they came for me..."

We will never defeat the Satanic forces that rule this world if we don't make the facilitation of mental and emotional healing a primary focus of our efforts.

I couldn't phrase that any better, and believe me, it is part and parcel of my daily struggles for the rest of my natural life in this "unreal world".
:-)

Bouncer
08-19-2005, 01:11 PM
And may I add at this point that the social engineers are constantly barraging us with hedonistic enticements? All through the mass media the focus is on sensation and pleasure, rather than on substance and value. I'm not sold food because I need to eat; I'm tempted to buy a product because it will give me an orgiastic eating experience. When people are trained on pain, pleasure, and extreme goal-oriented thinking, then they can be manipulated quite easily. It is when we value maturity and growth over pain and pleasure; it is when we value character over personality; and it is when we value purity over vacuous sensuality: this is when the most sophisticated attempts to manipulate us are laughably obvious! We need spiritual life and maturity in our beloved country!

08-19-2005, 05:23 PM
I come not bearing arms; but in peace!!

I may remind others of the pain they suffered as a child and their misplaced anger is often times directed at me for the memories I provoke in them of their own disenchanted young lives.

I understand!!

I turn the other cheek and continue on my uphill battle of waging war against the perpetrators within our government and military who abuse, kill, kidnap, and sacrifice children for their own satanic purposes.

I have been called every name in the book from delusional to schizophrenic, but the most hurtful words I have ever felt came out of TrueBeliever and NoHope's mouths.

To think that I would even for a moment contemplate a movie or book deal based on my suffering and the suffering of thousands upon thousands of other children in mind control programs really literally made me sick to my stomach, but it was the reference to "sex slave" that troubled me the most.

It is a "satanic" world that we live in. The forces of evil prevail in the most distinguished offices in our land and America will never be the same until and when all of US who were abused unwittingly and unwillingly are able to step into a court of law and sue the bastards one by one!!

Thank you for your kind words!!

Dren
08-19-2005, 08:47 PM
arjuna well spoken
may you continue to walk in light
i too am damaged by conditioning and continue my quest for truth in the hope i may heal
be strong we will get their in our own ways but we stand on the same paths

truebeliever
08-19-2005, 09:22 PM
Like a "drunk", beating then leaving his wife; I will be returning from time to time.

I am personally sick of the New Wank Order filling my every thought 24/7.

True BA...partly my wrath at you was from the simple frustration of my life...but most of it was due to your COMPLETE HYPOCRISY!

I had been civil too you for a long period. For you to "bag out" Ahmed for "spoiling" your extra special thread was the final straw since you had been jumping all over everyone elses for an extended period.

As for me talking about a "movie"...that was a complete "piss take". In other words I was "yanking your chain". "Pulling the piss". If you could not tell that my words were obviously mocking you...well, get a sense of humour. It will serve you well.

Your talk of the abuse you alledgedly received from NWO minions has the form of a an indulgent B grade movie. In my former work i saw the hell people had been through growing up...constant physical, sexual and psychological abuse in the "family" sphere that sickened your stomach...who needs the occult NWO when we have violent dysfunctional families!!!!

The whole NWO sphere has taken on a life of it's own as the repository of ALL sickening behaviour when I can walk out my door and into a shopping center and see "mind control" and "physical abuse" in plain view 10 times before i've bought my milk.

I personally think your past has consumed you to the point where it has formed the basis for your perceived uniquness in the world. That is a poor baseline to start from. You are not alone. The whole world is ONE BIG PSYCHOLOGICAL/PHYSICAL ABUSE BASKET CASE. We are all victims.

As for me? I am a bad tempered, immature, narssicistic, vindictive buffoon with to much time on his hands who tends to take out personal frustrations on others. For that I apolagise.

If I dont get out of this totalitarin/police state/surveillence system soon I am going to go insane. Literally.

Bouncer
08-20-2005, 10:32 AM
Truebeliever said: "As for me? I am a bad tempered, immature, narssicistic, vindictive buffoon with to (sic) much time on his hands who tends to take out personal frustrations on others. For that I apolagise (sic)." Don't worry, Truebeliever, you also are not alone.
As for what the monsters are doing in these programs, well, most people out there probably couldn't handle the really bad stuff. Mere knowledge of the MONARCH, MONTAUK, and other programs is in itself a form of trauma. There are some movies which portray a seroius form of enslavement (e.g. "Manchurian Candidate") but for total public awareness of the bad stuff, I don't even think most people would belive it if they had proof. What can we do?
Remember that Pavlov was touted as honorable and as a pioneer in behavioral research. All he did was to find a unique way to torture animals. B.F. Skinner tortured his own children when they were infants; they both committed suicide in their twenties. Sometimes I think that the whole behavioral sciences industry is just a front for those who want to exercise control over the masses. You know, Tavistock, Dr. Cameron Ewen, et al.

Bouncer
08-20-2005, 10:35 AM
Oh, Arjuna: I wasn't trying to be rude with the former posts about genetics and pure breeding, etc. I was just pursuing my own theories and I appreciate the challenge that you presented to me. I hope that your higher power gives you complete peace and healing.

08-20-2005, 12:57 PM
truebeliever wrote:
Like a "drunk", beating then leaving his wife; I will be returning from time to time.

I am personally sick of the New Wank Order filling my every thought 24/7.

True BA...partly my wrath at you was from the simple frustration of my life...but most of it was due to your COMPLETE HYPOCRISY!

I had been civil too you for a long period. For you to "bag out" Ahmed for "spoiling" your extra special thread was the final straw since you had been jumping all over everyone elses for an extended period.

I do not consider it an "extra special" thread nor is it MY thread. As I've stated, it was started by JIMBO without my permission, but I do not object.

I feel that the thread should try to contain itself to mind control programs; victim's experiences; those who believe they may have been a victim and those who have information about MKULTRA/BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE/MONTAUK/Project Monarch, etc.

I do not feel that religion played any role in these programs and, therefore, the reason I have asked Ahmad several times to stop referring to Jinn beings and quoting scriptures within the thread. I am only trying to keep the thread CLEAN so that others who STOP BY can quite possibly walk away somewhat more enlightened with an appetite for more information.

The men responsible for these programs DO NOT worship GOD!!! They are Luciferians, Rosacrucians, Satanists, Paganists, etc.

The thread belongs to everyone. It is a place to share our knowledge of mind control programs, experiences and their effects on victims and the masses as a whole. It is a place to try to put the bigger picture together.

As for me talking about a "movie"...that was a complete "piss take". In other words I was "yanking your chain". "Pulling the piss". If you could not tell that my words were obviously mocking you...well, get a sense of humour. It will serve you well.

Yes, you were mocking, ridiculing and humiliating me. You used a topic of a serious matter and poured salt in my wounds and you liked it. Apparently, you think the subject of "sex slavery" is a joke and that those who claim to have been incarcerated by our government in these mind control programs and used in sex, pornography and prostitution rings should just laugh it off when you come about with your "sick" jokes.

Sorry!! Your lack of sensitivity, your demanding nature and the words you used, "it's for your own good," "bring you to tears again," remind me of an abusive person.


Your talk of the abuse you alledgedly received from NWO minions has the form of a an indulgent B grade movie. In my former work i saw the hell people had been through growing up...constant physical, sexual and psychological abuse in the "family" sphere that sickened your stomach...who needs the occult NWO when we have violent dysfunctional families!!!!

I'm not looking to make a movie, tb. I'm searching for the truth and I'm trying to spread the word. I'm sorry that in your eyes my abuse does not equal the hell you've seen; and, therefore, you believe I am unworthy to speak about it. However, I leave many details out. I'm not trying to win a prize here for having suffered the worst torture of anyone on the face of the planet.

The whole NWO sphere has taken on a life of it's own as the repository of ALL sickening behaviour when I can walk out my door and into a shopping center and see "mind control" and "physical abuse" in plain view 10 times before i've bought my milk.

I personally think your past has consumed you to the point where it has formed the basis for your perceived uniquness in the world. That is a poor baseline to start from. You are not alone. The whole world is ONE BIG PSYCHOLOGICAL/PHYSICAL ABUSE BASKET CASE. We are all victims.

Others do see me as different and I would have to agree. However, this does not make me UNIQUE. I have never suggested that I am the only victim in this world. There are several on this board who are part of the "still healing club."

There are those who have written books about their mind control incarceration; those who speak out about SRA.

I have researched and studied this subject for years and there are thousands upon thousands of victims out there whether mind control/SRA, etc.

I know I am not alone.

I write about trauma-based mind control programs using victims like myself that assisted them in testing trauma, technology, etc. on us first and then applying it to the masses.

I know I am not alone.

As for me? I am a bad tempered, immature, narssicistic, vindictive buffoon with to much time on his hands who tends to take out personal frustrations on others. For that I apolagise.

If I dont get out of this totalitarin/police state/surveillence system soon I am going to go insane. Literally.

Insanity is not the way out!!

Bouncer
08-29-2005, 10:02 AM
I've begun to recall all of the books, films, and news items I've used that portray mind control technology, in the spirit of public awareness.
BOOKS: The Manchurian Candidate; False Memory, by Dean Koontz.
MOVIES: Submerged, with Steven Seagal; Total Recall, with Ahhhnold.
NEWS ITEMS: . . . I'm still waiting . . .

08-29-2005, 12:50 PM
"NEWS ITEMS" - Still waiting!!

Wouldn't hold my breath, Bouncer. Probably won't happen until hell freezes over!!

Bouncer
08-29-2005, 02:42 PM
Yeah, i guess that you would know; you probably gleaned a lot from different sources: if you're in trouble, don't go to this agency or to that police station, etc. After all, "Even in a perfect world we still have to weed our gardens" (from Candide by Voltaire). Considering that the AP is ostensibly owned and controlled by the Saudis, then the breaking stories will have to come from somewhere else. Maybe a public access cable channel could air some segments, etc. In fact in my home state the cable providers are required to give public access to air time. Hmmmm . . .
Anyway, the occult connection is the one that raises my hackles. All of those "Spells & hexes" that they peddle on the internet and under the counter at the witch's shops: a lot of those hexes and curses are probably similar to trauma-based techniques. I mean, they can be designed to take advantage of guilt, fear, greed, etc., or unresolved pain in someone's subconscious. It appears that what passes for modern technology may actually have its roots in the oldest of pagan religions. And golly, it sure sounds like modern advertising, too. Kind of makes sense, dun't it?

08-29-2005, 06:40 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Yeah, i guess that you would know; you probably gleaned a lot from different sources: if you're in trouble, don't go to this agency or to that police station, etc. After all, "Even in a perfect world we still have to weed our gardens" (from Candide by Voltaire). Considering that the AP is ostensibly owned and controlled by the Saudis, then the breaking stories will have to come from somewhere else. Maybe a public access cable channel could air some segments, etc. In fact in my home state the cable providers are required to give public access to air time. Hmmmm . . .

Sounds like opportunity is knocking on your door!

Anyway, the occult connection is the one that raises my hackles. All of those "Spells & hexes" that they peddle on the internet and under the counter at the witch's shops: a lot of those hexes and curses are probably similar to trauma-based techniques. I mean, they can be designed to take advantage of guilt, fear, greed, etc., or unresolved pain in someone's subconscious. It appears that what passes for modern technology may actually have its roots in the oldest of pagan religions. And golly, it sure sounds like modern advertising, too. Kind of makes sense, dun't it?

You lost me here!!

Bouncer
08-30-2005, 08:39 AM
I'm noting the parallel between the subliminal and trauma-based techniques in the "Modern" arsenal with older forms of black witchcraft. For instance, the jerks in the apartment adjacent to mine waited until I was in the shower and (as usual) tried their gaslight tricks. The voice was a bit faint but I could clearly hear the male voice say something like "Now you will feel anxiety", and a few seconds after that the person flushed the toilet two or three times in rapid succession. This gave me a jolt of hot water from the shower because of the water pressure. This is the same kind of trick that I told the Trenton Police about almost two years ago: trying to induce a heart attack or an axiety attack. Did they believe me? Also, the phrase "Grow up", which was used by my ex-wife as a trauma trigger is also being used by them. I discovered this while trying to determine the source of the voices, and caught them on digital audio. I have the sound byte but cannot attach it in ths thread. These jerks are using a bastardized technique in which they incorporate personal triggers, probably to prolong my PSTD after the brutal treatment by my ex. Maybe they are friends of hers?

08-30-2005, 06:55 PM
I think you should move!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Bouncer
08-31-2005, 10:44 AM
Moving to another apartment would be cathartic for me but it wouldn't solve the problem of who why, and what. You see, I had a similar experience when I lived in Pennsylvania, including vandalism of my car. But the really weird stuff didn't start until I began discussing the 9/11 scenario at home and in public (before the event, I mean. I had dreams and details ahead of time). It never occurred to me that there might be consequences to that! Some people are so mean-minded and suspicious. I mean, look what happened when France decided they didn't want to enter Bush's pissing contest. French products were boycotted with prejudice and there is at least one documented example of hate crimes against people with French-sounding names.
In another light, now that the external controls in the hurricane area are crumbling, the human animals are coming out and doing their damage. Personal attacks, looting, and probably an opportunistic murder or two. I hope that you, BA, treasure the internal guide of your moral compass. It is like standing on a rock that no one can toss you from!

08-31-2005, 11:31 AM
It would take great detail for me to explain what occurred when my MEMORIES began to surface as far as "covert" attacks on me personally, my property, etc. and that would mean I would have to write a book.

Maybe at a future date!!

I was born with my moral compass in place; but against my free will they tried to make me walk a path outside of my conscious beliefs of love, honor, commitment, trust and loyalty to my fellow man and country.

freeman
08-31-2005, 11:53 AM
But the really weird stuff didn't start until I began discussing the 9/11 scenario at home and in public (before the event, I mean. I had dreams and details ahead of time).

Are you saying you have psychic abilities? Or did you overhear something while under mind control that has surfaced later?
Either way, if you are not under their control, you are in extreme danger.
They must discredit you -- or worse, since you represent a wild card that they can't control.
If any of this speculation is correct, you need to go for cover, as deep a cover as you can find.

Bouncer
08-31-2005, 12:33 PM
I don't like the term "Psychic." I don't exactly know what it is, but I'm positive that it was not leaked from a courier op, etc. It's more like remote empathy. I sometimes see images of people getting hurt or raped, and then find out later that similar things have happened. It's like that. As though the silent screams of a tormented soul can somehow be heard by others. Think of how many were screaming on 9/11! It also has to do with sensing evil or perverse intentions; I believe that all of us had these abilities when we were very young, but learned to ignore or repress them. It isn't fun. It sometimes feels like I'm the one being violated, too. Control me? Wild card? If they knew who my God is, they would want to know more, instead of shut me up. There are also times that I believe God's Spirit speaks to me about world events, etc. This is part of the Christian tradition and is actually more common than is commonly known.

08-31-2005, 12:55 PM
freeman wrote:
But the really weird stuff didn't start until I began discussing the 9/11 scenario at home and in public (before the event, I mean. I had dreams and details ahead of time).

Are you saying you have psychic abilities? Or did you overhear something while under mind control that has surfaced later?
Either way, if you are not under their control, you are in extreme danger.
They must discredit you -- or worse, since you represent a wild card that they can't control.
If any of this speculation is correct, you need to go for cover, as deep a cover as you can find.

How does going for cover help anyone who is a victim or help our country for that matter?

To be as vocal as possible is the only way to protect yourself is how I see it.

They certainly know who is who, wouldn't you think? If they deem you are a threat, well, then they'll deal with you like you said in one or two ways no matter where you go?

You have to wonder about those of us who were victims and were released.

Why were we released?

Experimentation??

Track us, follow us for the rest of our lives!!

Use us to discredit those who have gone public about their victimization.

Attempt to bring us back under their control and assist them in furthering their agenda?

freeman
08-31-2005, 01:33 PM
I suppose you're right, BlueAngel. Once you're on their radar, it's a crap shoot either way.
But sometimes people need a little "time out", to rest and recuperate before entering the fray again.
It kind of sounds to me that Bouncer is feeling some stress over the situation, so perhaps he should seek some sanctuary, at least temporarily.

You have to wonder about those of us who were victims and were released.

Why were we released?

I believe that scapegoating certain individuals and groups will be part of the final implementation of the NWO agenda. For that they will need some credible witnesses and evidence eventually. So some people are permitted to "slip through the net", probably with intervention from the very highest levels of the Illuminati hierarchy.
I'm not yet ready to divulge my full theory re this subject, but I will say that when those new concentration camp prisons are finally deployed, their occupants may be somewhat surprising, even to the posters on this forum.
Remember, they want to make themselves look like the good guys, because they are still only an elite minority trying to impose their control upon a much larger majority.

08-31-2005, 02:53 PM
freeman wrote:
I suppose you're right, BlueAngel. Once you're on their radar, it's a crap shoot either way.
But sometimes people need a little "time out", to rest and recuperate before entering the fray again.
It kind of sounds to me that Bouncer is feeling some stress over the situation, so perhaps he should seek some sanctuary, at least temporarily.

You have to wonder about those of us who were victims and were released.

Why were we released?

I believe that scapegoating certain individuals and groups will be part of the final implementation of the NWO agenda. For that they will need some credible witnesses and evidence eventually. So some people are permitted to "slip through the net", probably with intervention from the very highest levels of the Illuminati hierarchy.
I'm not yet ready to divulge my full theory re this subject, but I will say that when those new concentration camp prisons are finally deployed, their occupants may be somewhat surprising, even to the posters on this forum.
Remember, they want to make themselves look like the good guys, because they are still only an elite minority trying to impose their control upon a much larger majority.

I had to re-read your post several times, before the light went off re: scapegoating, groups, individuals, witnesses, and lastly being surprised at those who will be the first to enter the concentration camps.

THEY HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUYS!!

A few years ago, an acquaintance on the web, who helped me through some really rough times, sent me a photo of concentration camps.

I immediately went into SHOCK!!

I was threatened that I would be the first to go!!!

I'm over it now!!

"Slip through the cracks" and "scapegoat!!"

INTERESTING!!!

08-31-2005, 03:20 PM
Oh my goodness, Freeman, thank you so much for your last post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

09-02-2005, 09:31 PM
Bouncer,

How are you doing?

truebeliever
09-03-2005, 02:10 AM
The French had a name for this, "Participation Mystique". It was a term used by Anthropolagists to describe the "group think" state of more primitive peoples.

Animals engage in it all the time. Examples such as animals behaving strangely before an earthquake etc...

Another name is simple instinct.

On the quantum level "you" do not end at your visiable extremities. "You" are an "energy field" and where "you" begin and end is up for debate. Technically, you are connected to the fartherest regions of the universe. On the quantum level, where your atoms begin and the rest of the Univers's atoms begin is indistinguishable.

The conscious state of realising this has invariably been called "Christ Consciousness", "Cosmic Consciousness", "Nirvana", "Transcendance" and "Bramah". The ego merges with the Self. The human with God.

It is the "Illuminated" state the Masons and Illuminati go on about.

On the level of instinct, a "lower" wavelength or brain wave pattern originating from the Limbic/Reptilian system reaches consciousness. Everyone has had that feeling where all of a sudden they feel uncomfortable and need to leave somewhere, or they get the sudden "feeling" something is up. Women do it all the time.

The more "rational" and "unfeeling" you are, the less connected you will be to your instincts and the more "off the rails" your life will be. The unconscious will engineer outside events to bring the individual or group back on track. Be it a sudden car crash or on the collective level, armageddon.

Back to psychic abilities...the closer you are to the unconscious the more the lower wave length brain wave patterns will break through into the higher plane of consciousness. The difference between madness and constructive information can sometimes be tight.

The way we all get closer to God...who knows all things at all times...is to begin to feel again. Then the voice of God can be heard above the din. God can begin to correct an ego heading off into oblivion. That is the point of "ultimate" values. They exist DEEP in your gut and are the pre-requisites for life...they are embedded in your DNA...the further away you live from them the more danger you are in.

For instance...i may lose my temper and become a violent internet flamer. I go offline "knowing" i'm right and everyone can get fucked. After a period of reflection sets in...it's opposite constellates, correcting the one sided nature of the ego..."well maybe I was a little over the top..." The balance is restored. But if I am arrogant and refuse to let the corrective nature of feeling flow in, then I will go to further and further extremes of thought and behaviour. If you cannot doubt and you cannot reflect...you are fucked and maybe the whole world with you. Now tie this in with "medications" like Prozac which "disconnect" you from your feeling side, plus rampant Elite use of stimulents like Coke and Meth and you have a recipe for disaster. The corrective nature of the unconscious is blocked...till it builds to monstorous proportions.

All Elite scum bags are sociopaths. You can only do the things you do if you are a disconnected sociopath. Add in drugs and you are tipped over time into insanity and armageddon will come.

Sorry, drifting again.

On the evening (around 6pm) of the Eleventh of September 2001 West Oz time I said to my roomy..."something big is up. Something so big all our jaws are going to drop"...exact words.

At 11pm our time the first plane struck the WTC. I was asleep and it was'nt until 8am the next morning that my flatmate woke me up with the immortal words..."they're bombing America".

I cannot remember saying these words. I have thought along those lines in the preceeding months. It is a complete blank. My room mate finds it strange that I cant remember. She is adament. She recounts what I said word for word. It's happened to me before.

I think sometimes a direct conduit can be opened to the unconscious and the persons ego is pushed aside for a specific period of time. Like when you drive somewhere and then realise you cant remember actually driving for the last 10 minutes.

So it is with images. Sometimes it is hard to say...are they images and feelings that belong to you? That the ego refuses to acknowledge. That are "metaphor" or are they quite literal?

Over time it should be revealed. You need to combine that direct "intuitive/feeling" knowledge with hard "facts" gathered from the outside world.

freeman
09-03-2005, 06:49 AM
Damnit, that was a good explanation, TB.
I actually understood it, and I'm a stupid bastard.

Bouncer
09-06-2005, 10:48 AM
Hooray, TB. It's got to be said and I believe is an indispensible part of the ongoing battle with the New Agers, etc. The "All is one" concept will ultimately be used to subjugate the individual to the group, thus setting the stage for the "Scapegoats" you wrote about. Anyone not "In tune" with the group consciousness will have to be sent to a "Higher plane" = murdered.
BA = I'm growing and changing; reading a book about post-trauma stress. It says that we're not crazy and that a lot of what we experience is a common reaction to extremely uncommon challenges.
I got a glimpse of a hand signal that I will describe: maybe someone can tell us what it means? 1) Place the left hand just behind the right temple with the arm arced over your head; your palm is facing backwards and the fingers are pointing down; 2) Sweep the hand across your eyes from right to left, slowly at first but speeding up; 3) At the left side you fling your arm and hand away to the left as if you were whipping water off your hand. This signal was performed by a woman when I saw it and it seemed to be important in personal protection in whatever group uses it. Is it familiar to anyone?

igwt
09-06-2005, 12:27 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Hooray, TB. It's got to be said and I believe is an indispensible part of the ongoing battle with the New Agers, etc. The "All is one" concept will ultimately be used to subjugate the individual to the group, thus setting the stage for the "Scapegoats" you wrote about. Anyone not "In tune" with the group consciousness will have to be sent to a "Higher plane" = murdered.
BA = I'm growing and changing; reading a book about post-trauma stress. It says that we're not crazy and that a lot of what we experience is a common reaction to extremely uncommon challenges.
I got a glimpse of a hand signal that I will describe: maybe someone can tell us what it means? 1) Place the left hand just behind the right temple with the arm arced over your head; your palm is facing backwards and the fingers are pointing down; 2) Sweep the hand across your eyes from right to left, slowly at first but speeding up; 3) At the left side you fling your arm and hand away to the left as if you were whipping water off your hand. This signal was performed by a woman when I saw it and it seemed to be important in personal protection in whatever group uses it. Is it familiar to anyone?

Read in book, "The Brotherhood - Stephen Knight" that it was known that certain sinals have been performed by secret society types. Pulling hand across face, whilst the other hand supports the elbow, is a distress signal. Has been apparently used in law courts by those on trial. In one instance a judge excused hinself because the defendent used the signal.

freeman
09-06-2005, 12:58 PM
Right, igwt.
I believe that particular signal has its origins in more Illuminati-related groups than Blue Lodge Masonry.

Bouncer
09-06-2005, 02:29 PM
OK, I truly appreciate this feedback, because I was a little embarrassed to say so before, but this signal appeared in a waking dream to me on Sunday afternoon, Sept. 4th about 3 or 4pm. I was just trying to take a nap. Perhaps it simply came up from my subcomscious, or something. I'll look through the material you suggest; thanks!

truebeliever
09-07-2005, 01:05 AM
BOUNCER...this is the point of dreams. Are they literal or are they metaphorical or are they both? Many people simply could'nt give a shit.

I am a bit of a dab hand at dream work. If people want to they can ask me questions vie PM or on the thread...or alternatively, not at all. To better get a grasp of the dream you really need to know the persons personal situation at the time. The dream is ALWAYS relevant to what is happening to the dreamer at the time.

Just a thought...when we dream of women, she usually represents the feeling side of life. She can be whore, madonna or perhaps a doctor in the dream giving as a good indication of our feeling state and what we think of her and how we treat her which flows on to how we treat the women in our lives.

You mention a hand signal...on the purely symbolic level it could be said this anima (soul) figure is operating in the "background" below your conscious threshold (you dont know her in the dream do you?). The rapid to and fro represents your need to utilize both hemispheres of your brain - thinking and feeling...and soon. You may be too much in the feeling side and pondering "yourself" too much. You see this woman "out" in the "street", not in your home. You may need to give some of this stuff a rest and literally "party" a little.

This, I might add...is a VERY superficial and largely intuitive guess at the images you describe with the little knowledge i possess on your personal situation.

It could also just be images from your subconscious prompting you to further investigation of the subject you have brought up.

Hooray, TB. It's got to be said and I believe is an indispensible part of the ongoing battle with the New Agers, etc.

Damnit, that was a good explanation, TB.
I actually understood it, and I'm a stupid bastard.

Wow, what a strange feeling. Beats the energy you recieve from abusing people! :-D

truebeliever
09-07-2005, 08:25 AM
[quote]There's Something About Henry

by David McGowan

Part I: Sympathy for the Devil (Portrait of an MK-ULTRA Assassin?)
Part II: The Myth of the Serial Killer
Part III: Seven Degrees of Henry Lee
Part IV: Seven More Degrees of Henry Lee
Part V: The Mind (Control) of a Serial Killer

June 2000

Part I: Sympathy for the Devil

"Henry is an unusual prisoner. He's been given a high security cell and a few special amenities ..."---Jim Boutwell, Sheriff of Williamson County, Texas

On June 30th of 1998, Henry Lee Lucas, arguably the most prolific and certainly one of the most sadistic serial killers in the annals of crime was scheduled for execution by the state of Texas. Given the advocacy of the death penalty by Governor George W. Bush, things clearly weren't looking good for Henry at that time.

Bush had not granted clemency to any condemned man in his tenure as governor. In fact, no governor of any state in the entire history of the country has carried out more judicial executions than has Governor George. At last count, the state of Texas had dispatched 130 inmates on Bush's watch.

So Texas was definitely not the place to be for a man in Henry's position. And considering the nature of Henry's crimes, it seemed a certainty that nothing would stand in the way of Henry's scheduled execution. There weren't likely to be any high-profile supporters, a la Karla Faye Tucker (though even personal appeals to Bush from the likes of Pat Robertson failed to dissuade the governor from proceeding on schedule with Miss Tucker's execution). Not likely because Henry's crimes were of a particularly brutal nature, involving rape, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism, and pedophilia, with the number of victims running as high as 300-600 by some accounts - including Henry's own, at times - though this figure is likely inflated.

By all accounts though, Lucas, frequently working with partner Ottis Toole - a self described arsonist and cannibal - savagely murdered literally scores of victims of all ages, races, and genders. All indications were then that this was pretty much of a no-brainer for America's premier hanging governor. But then a most remarkable thing happened. On June 18, just twelve days before Henry's scheduled demise, Governor Bush asked the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members are appointed by Bush himself, to review Henry's case. Strangely enough, eight days later the Board uncharacteristically recommended that Henry's execution not take place.

The very next day, just three days short of Henry's scheduled exit from this world, Lucas became the first - and to date only - recipient of Governor Bush's compassionate conservatism. The official rationale for this act of mercy was, apparently, that the evidence on which Lucas was sentenced did not support his conviction. There was a possibility that Henry was in fact innocent of the crime for which he was convicted. Never mind that many of the 130 death row inmates who did not get special gubernatorial attention prior to their executions had credible claims of innocence that were met with by nothing but scorn and mockery.

Suddenly Little George had developed a keen interest in not executing innocent convicts. Never mind as well that some of those who have been executed despite claims of innocence were - other than the crime for which they were being executed - law-abiding citizens. Whereas Henry was by all accounts a serial rapist, kidnapper, torturer and murderer. And never mind that once Henry was spared, Bush promptly lost this passing interest and began once again rubber stamping every execution order that crossed his desk, including that of a great-grandmother in her sixties who was convicted of killing her chronically abusive husband (Betty Lou Beets, in February 2000).

And never mind that Bush has made no effort in the two years since Henry's commutation to seek a new trial for Henry on one of the murders for which there is conclusive evidence of Lucas' guilt. Neither has he made any effort to extradite Henry to any of the other states in which Henry is wanted for various murders. It seems to me that the last time I checked, there was no statute of limitations for the crime of murder. Why is Law-and-Order George not seeking a new death sentence for Lucas? And why is it that Henry was granted full clemency, rather than a temporary stay during which his case could have been reviewed? This is exactly what Bush has just done in the case of convicted murderer Ricky Nolen McGinn.

Tellingly, the proliferation of press reports on the McGinn case, apparently meant to soften Bush's image somewhat, have made virtually no reference to the governor's earlier actions on behalf of Lucas. Reporting on the McGinn case has avoided the mention of Lucas in one of two ways: by noting that this is the first capital case for which Bush has issued a stay(which is true but deliberately deceptive), or by claiming outright that this is the first death penalty case in which Bush has intervened (which is an outright and absolutely shameless lie).

And what if Lucas was in fact falsely convicted and his innocence was so blatantly obvious that the governor had no choice but to commute Henry's sentence? What then does this say about the Texas criminal justice system and the ease with which it sends innocent men to their deaths? Are we to believe that Henry's case was an isolated one and that none of the other men put to death during Bush's reign had equally credible claims of innocence?

Clearly, there was something more at work then in the Lucas case than simply a question of guilt. There had to be another reason why Bush would take such extraordinary steps to spare the life of a man who had led a life of such brutality. And this was certainly not the first time that the criminal justice system had shown such extraordinary leniency towards Lucas.

The first big break for Henry came around 1970, when he was released early from a sentence he was then serving following his first murder conviction. Sentenced to 20-40 years, Henry was released after serving just ten. This occurred just after Henry appeared before the parole board and explained to them that he wasn't ready to return to society and would surely kill again if released. As Henry tells it, the questioning went something like this: "Now Mr. Lucas, I must ask you, if we grant you parole, will you kill again?" Henry: "Yes, sir! If you release me now, I will kill again."

Nevertheless, the board decided that ten years was an adequate amount of time to serve for the crime of killing one's mother and then violating the corpse. Fair enough. Within a year, of course, Henry found himself back in prison, this time for attempting to abduct a young girl. Despite his prior record - which began long before killing his mother - Lucas served just four years and was again released early, this time in August of 1975. Shortly thereafter, Henry and his new friend Ottis would commit an untold number of lurid murders spanning the next eight years. Henry would finally be arrested in October of 1982 on suspicion of two murders, only to be promptly released. He was not arrested again until June of 1983, and has been imprisoned ever since.

After his final arrest, Henry was taken on tour, so to speak, by various law enforcement officials around the country, during which time he confessed to some 600 murders in 26 states. There were various charges made at the time that Henry was being used by his escorts to clear troublesome unsolved murders in places he had never even been.

This quite likely was the case. Henry seemed to have a very chummy relationship with his captors, particularly the Texas Rangers, and provided a valuable service for them by taking the rap for an amazing array of murders. This alone, however, does not explain the personal attention given to Henry's case by Governor Bush.

For that, we need to look at some of the more infrequently noted details of Henry's life history, many of them provided by Lucas himself. Henry, as it turns out, has some interesting stories to tell. In 1985, just a couple years into his incarceration, he attempted to tell his story in a book, written for him by a sympathetic author. The book, titled The Hand of Death: The Henry Lee Lucas Story, tells of Henry's indoctrination into a nationwide Satanic cult. Lucas claimed that he was trained by the cult in a mobile paramilitary camp in the Florida Everglades in the fine art of killing, up close and personal. Other training involved abduction and arson techniques.

He further claimed that leaders of the camp were so impressed with Henry's handling of a knife that he was allowed to serve as an instructor. Following his training, Henry claimed to have served the cult in various ways, including as a contract killer and as an abductor of children, who were then taken just over the border to a ranch in Mexico near Juarez. Henry has said that this cult operated out of Texas and from a ranch in northern Mexico, trafficking in children and drugs, among other nefarious pursuits. In essence, Henry claimed that what appeared to be the random work of a serial killer was in fact a planned series of crimes often committed for specific purposes.

Some of the murders were political hits, according to Henry, including the occasional assassination of foreign dignitaries. This was not true for all of Henry's crimes. Some he did just because that's what he liked to do. And it was the one thing that he was really good at.

The beauty of this arrangement was that it allowed Henry to conceal the true motive for many of his crimes. Those performed as contract hits looked like all of Henry's murders - senseless and random acts of violence. In Henry's version of events, it was Toole who was responsible for Henry's recruitment and training by the cult and many of the pair's exploits thereafter. Interestingly, in all the standard biographies of the pair, Toole is said to have been Henry's severely retarded junior partner.

It is quite clear from reading an interview granted by Toole to a journalist (of sorts) that he was not by any means retarded. Uneducated, no doubt, but definitely not severely retarded. Toole was in fact able to express himself quite clearly, though perversely, and displayed a substantial level of knowledge about the practices of Satanism. In fact, Toole - prior to his death in 1996- was able to give detailed accounts of he and Henry's activities that largely corroborated Henry's stories about the cult. But beyond the stories told by these two credibility-challenged witness/participants, is there any reason to believe Henry's bizarre tale of being a contract killer?

And what of Henry's other stories, including the one about being a close friend of Jim Jones of the People's Temple? Henry has claimed on numerous occasions that it was he who personally delivered the cyanide to Jones that was used in the infamous Jonestown massacre.

What are we to make of such stories? Could Henry have been telling the truth about being a contract killer? And if so, did the contracts he was receiving have some kind of government connection? Though Henry never broaches the subject in his book, the training camp as he describes it clearly had military connections. And Henry has explicitly stated that the cult included among its members various prominent persons, including high level politicians. Could this be the reason for the actions taken by Governor Bush in June of 1998?

"They think I'm stupid, but before this is all over everyone will know who's really stupid. And we'll see who the real criminals are."

Henry Lee Lucas

"A U.S. Navy psychologist, who claims that the Office of Naval Intelligence had taken convicted murderers from military prisons, used behavior modification techniques on them, and then relocated them in American embassies throughout the world ... The Navy psychologist was Lt. Commander Thomas Narut of the U.S. Regional Medical Center in Naples, Italy. The information was divulged at an Oslo NATO conference of 120 psychologists from the eleven nation alliance ... The Navy provided all the funding necessary, according To Narut.

"Dr. Narut, in a question and answer session with reporters from many nations, revealed how the Navy was secretly programming large numbers of assassins. He said that the men he had worked with for the Navy were being prepared for commando-type operations, as well as covert operations in U.S. embassies worldwide. He described the men who went through his program as 'hit men and assassins' who could kill on command.

"Careful screening of the subjects was accomplished by Navy psychologists through the military records ... and many were convicted murderers serving military prison sentences."

(Harry V. Martin and David Caul "Mind Control, Napa Valley Sentinel, August-November 1991.)

Anyone familiar with the intelligence community's long-standing obsession with the concept of mind control will immediately recognize what Dr. Narut was describing as an MK-ULTRA project. The existence of this particular manifestation of the project was first reported by British journalist Peter Watson of the Sunday Times, who attended the conference and interviewed Dr. Narut. Narut told him that they looked for candidates who had shown a proclivity for violence.

This was at a time when numerous pseudo investigations of the intelligence community were underway, including the Rockefeller, Pike, and Church Committees. Narut told Watson that he was revealing this highly classified information only because he assumed it was about to surface anyway.

Of course, Narut was mistaken about the interest of the various committees in divulging anything even remotely resembling the truth. Narut promptly disappeared from public view, reappearing only briefly to lamely attempt to retract his prior statements. But it was a little too late.

Watson went on to expand upon this initial research to produce a book, War on the Mind, one of the better books from the late 1970's on the subject of mind control research by the intelligence community. Walter Bowart referenced Watson's work as well, in his nearly impossible to find Operation Mind Control. So this cat, once let out of the bag, proved rather difficult to stuff back inside. The intelligence community, it seemed, was recruiting from prisons to make use of the natural talents of convicted killers to produce the fabled 'Manchurian Candidates' - mind controlled assassins.

This operation involved killers drawn from military prisons, though there is no reason not to suspect that parallel programs were being conducted in civilian prisons as well. Prisons have, after all, provided fertile ground for any number of MK-ULTRA sub projects for decades. As the Napa Valley Sentinel article noted: "Mind control experiments ... permeate mental institutions and prisons." This was particularly true in the 1960's and 1970's. The NATO conference at which Dr. Narut dropped his bombshell was held in July of 1975. Strangely enough, the very next month Henry would be released to begin his eight year reign of terror.

Clearly of relevance here is the fact that Lucas, during his prior ten year prison stay, spent four and a half of those years in a mental ward. During this time, he received intensive drug and electroshock treatments. He would later describe this period of incarceration as a "nightmare that would not end." Also during this time, he complained chronically about hearing voices in his head, taunting him day and night (ostensibly the reason for his confinement in the mental ward, though it could well have been the result of his confinement and treatment). Henry would later spend additional time in an institution in 1980, in the midst of his killing spree.

Was Henry recruited and programmed while in prison to be used latter by the so-called Hand of Death cult? The possibility clearly is there. He certainly had shown a voracious appetite for violence, enough so to make him a very attractive candidate. Indeed, Henry is just the kind of man to be considered a valuable asset by the intelligence community.

For anyone who doubts that the CIA (or any other of the numerous interwoven intelligence agencies) would recruit such a man, it is important to remember that we are talking about the same agencies that recruited some of the most bloodthirsty butchers of the Third Reich - men such as Klaus Barbie, Joseph Mengele, Adolf Eichmann, Otto Skorzeny, and Reinhard Gehlen.

Henry's depravity pales in the shadows of men such as these. Henry probably couldn't even hold his own against some of the organized crime figures - such as Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Santos Trafficante who were likewise recruited by the CIA. Or against the numerous thugs that the spooks have propped up as dictators around the world, men such as Somoza, Pinochet, Duvalier and Pahlavi, to name just a few.

In the company of men such as these, Henry would be just one of the boys. No less valuable an asset than, say, Dan Mitrione, the CIA torture aficionado who was a boyhood friend of Jim Jones. This man, known for having homeless persons kidnapped for the purpose of giving torture demonstrations to South American security forces in his soundproof underground chamber of horrors, was hailed as a hero and martyr when he himself was tortured and killed. Hell, Frank Sinatra and Jerry Lewis flew into his home town and performed a benefit show to raise money for the widow of this great American. So in the world of spooks, Henry would be in good company. As would his partner, Ottis Toole, who wouldn't even have the distinction of being the only cannibal recruited by the CIA.

As Douglas Valentine writes in The Phoenix Program (Morrow, 1990)- concerning the CIA's assassination, torture and terror program waged against the people of Vietnam - the Phoenix teams consisted of SEALs working with "CTs," described by one participant as "a combination of ARVN deserters, VC turncoats, and bad motherfucker criminals the South Vietnamese couldn't deal with in prison, so they turned them over to us." The spooks were only too happy to employ the services of these men, who "taught [their] SEAL comrades the secrets of the psy war campaign." So depraved were these agency recruits that some of them "would actually devour their enemies' vital organs." All in a day's work for America's premier intelligence agency.

Also included in the CIA rogue's gallery of distinguished alumni, according to a number of researchers, is Lucas' self-described "close friend," the notorious Jim Jones. What then are we to make of Henry's professed connection to the tragic People's Temple? It has been documented by numerous investigators that the Jonestown massacre was not by any means a case of mass suicide, as was reported by the U.S. press. It was in fact a case of mass murder. The Guyanese coroner, Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, concluded that only three of the 913 victims at Jonestown died by means of suicide on that fateful day. All of the rest were executed, some by lethal injection, some by strangulation, and some simply shot through the head.;

It is apparent then that if Lucas was in fact at Jonestown at the time of the mass murder, he was quite likely doing considerably more than just serving as a delivery boy. A man of Henry's talents would bean invaluable asset in a clean-up operation of this type. And what was being cleaned up was, of course, yet another MK-ULTRA project, complete with vast stockpiles of drugs, sensory deprivation equipment, and a band of zombie-like assassins who gunned down Congressman Leo Ryan's entourage just prior to the massacre (thus necessitating the clean-up operation.)

Strange that Henry would claim a connection to a man whose operation was notable primarily for being a breeding ground for mind control and mass murder. Of course Henry, being uneducated and illiterate, would not likely have had access to this information.

Even if Henry was literate, he would not have known the story that Maury Terry was to later tell in his book, The Ultimate Evil. Told therein is a tale that chillingly parallels that of Henry and Ottis. What Terry revealed was that the murders attributed to the Son of Sam, the Manson Family, and numerous other interconnected killings (including possibly the Zodiac murders) were not what they appeared to be.

While these killings appeared to be the random work of serial/mass murderers, they actually were contract hits carried out for specific purposes by an interlocking network of Satanic cults (this book has, by the way, recently been reprinted by Barnes & Noble - go figure - and is highly recommended to anyone who questions the plausibility of Henry's story.) In other words, these were professional hits orchestrated and disguised to look like the work of yet another 'lone nut' serial killer. Which is, of course, exactly what Henry claimed his crimes to be, several years before investigative journalist Terry published his convincingly documented work.

Lucas' story then, as bizarre as it may appear to be, is certainly not without precedent. Other events that have transpired since Henry first began telling his tales of The Hand of Death lend further credence to various aspects of his story. For example, there is the issue of the cult-run ranch just south of the border. While this may have sounded rather far-fetched back in the early 1980's, it certainly doesn't today. In 1990, just such a ranch was excavated in Matamoros, Mexico, yielding the remains of over a dozen ritual sacrifice victims. While Ottis Toole - still alive at the time - noted that this was not the specific ranch with which he and Henry were associated, he also mentioned that there were numerous such operations in the area.

So closely did the Matamoros case parallel the stories told years before by Lucas that some law enforcement personnel in Texas chose to take a closer look at Henry's professed cult connections. In fact, Jim Boutwell, sheriff of Williamson County, Texas later told a reporter that investigators had verified that Lucas was indeed involved in cult activities. And a decade later, yet another excavation was begun, this time at a ranch near Juarez, Mexico, which is precisely where Henry claimed it to be. This story made a brief appearance in the American press in December of 1999, until U.S. officials moved in to take over the investigation, after which coverage promptly ceased.

Of course, it could just have been lucky guesses by Henry about the cult-run ranches and the networks of Satanic cults running murder-for-hire operations. And it could just be a coincidence that Toole, who was convicted in the state of Florida, shared with Henry the fate of having his death sentence commuted. Florida is, of course, a state that is also overly zealous in its application of the death penalty. Not zealous enough to execute the likes of Ottis Toole, however. In any event, it's interesting that both of these men had their death sentences set aside in states run by a member of the Bush family.

Its interesting also to take note of the case of the man known as the Railroad Killer, Rafael Resendez-Ramirez. On July 13, 1999, Ramirez was reported to have walked across a bridge from (where else?) Juarez, Mexico into El Paso, Texas and turned himself in. At the time he was wanted for a string of alleged serial killings. Mirroring the circumstances surrounding Henry's final arrest, Ramirez had been taken into custody several weeks prior by the U.S. Border Patrol, only to be promptly released despite his presence on FBI most-wanted lists and the issuing of alerts to the immigration service, and with a nationwide manhunt under way.

Between this detainment and his surrender, four more victims would be felled by Ramirez (who was, strangely enough, born in Matamoros and raised outside of the home by non-family members, according to his mother). Apparently he still had a little work left to complete. Having done so, Ramirez then made the incomprehensible decision to surrender to Texas authorities. Crossing the border into Texas, Ramirez left a country with no death penalty and entered the execution capital of the western world. The Los Angeles Times, in reporting on his surrender, noted that he was "adamant he wanted to surrender to a Texas Ranger," and that "he had not requested an attorney and was cooperating with detectives."

In the same article, it is noted that authorities say Ramirez is "strikingly intelligent." Strikingly intelligent? Not based on his actions taken on July 13th of last year. But then again, perhaps Ramirez knows something about the Texas criminal justice system that the rest of us do not.

Ottis Toole: I've been meaning to ask you ... that time when I cooked some of these people? Why'd I do that?

Henry Lee Lucas: I think it was just the hands doing it. I know a lot of things we done, in human sight, are impossible to believe.

Ottis Toole: When we took 'em out and cut 'em up ... remember one time I said I wanted me some ribs? Did that make me a cannibal?

Henry Lee Lucas: You wasn't a cannibal. It's the force of the devil, something forced on us that we can't change. There's no reason denying what we become. We know what we are.

Part II: The Myth of the Serial Killer

July 2000

"At some time I have start(ed) to hear funny voices, like a person calling me, but no one call me." ---Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, in a letter to a reporter in Houston following his surrender to authorities

Most Americans are familiar with what is considered the classic serial killer 'profile.' This was a notion first put forth by the venerable FBI, which coined the term 'serial killer' and pioneered the concept of 'profiling,' in an alleged attempt to understand the phenomenon of mass murder. In truth, as we shall see, the concept of the serial killer profile was put forth largely to disinform the public.
In the case of Henry Lee Lucas, few if any of the elements of the serial killer profile apply. For instance, serial killers are said to act alone, driven to do so only by their own private demons. So far removed from ordinary human behavior are their actions that they would not, indeed could not, share their private passions with others. In Henry's case, this is a patently false notion. It has been officially acknowledged that Lucas worked with at least one, and at times as many as three accomplices (Toole's pre-teen niece and nephew were frequently brought along to witness - and at times participate in - the crimes of Henry and Ottis).
It is also claimed that serial killers target a particular type of victim, similar in age, gender, race, and other demographic factors. Again, in Henry's case, this simply does not fit the known facts. Henry's victims in fact had little, if anything, in common physically with one another. The victim's ages ranged from children to the elderly. Both genders and all races were also well represented.
It is further claimed that serial killers follow a readily identifiable MO, with the means of obtaining victims and the trajectory of the crime following a well defined pattern. And again, this is clearly not the case with Lucas. Victims were obtained and death inflicted by a variety of means - including bludgeoning, stabbing, strangulation, shooting, and suffocation. Some were killed in their homes, while others were abducted and taken to remote locations. Some were sexually abused, both before and after death, while others were not. Some were cannibalized. Some were left on display - for maximum impact upon their discovery - while others were left so as not to be discovered at all.
In other ways as well, Henry Lee - the consummate serial killer - did not even come close to matching the profile of what he was supposed to be. Strangely though, perhaps the most remarkable aspect of the Henry Lee Lucas story is that it is not actually remarkable at all. In reviewing the case histories of some two dozen other alleged serial killers, it becomes readily apparent that few - if any - fit the supposed profile.
The victims of Resendez-Ramirez, for instance, ranged in age from 21 to 88 years, with a mix of males and females. The cause of death varied as well, with most being bludgeoned, though one was shot in the head, another stabbed, and yet another had a pick-ax buried in her head. Though not readily apparent, all of these weapons used for inflicting death - by both Lucas and Ramirez - had one thing in common: they are what are termed 'weapons of opportunity.' In other words, they are weapons that were acquired at the crime scene immediately before the murders were committed.
Notably, this precisely mirrors the means by which the CIA has historically taught its assassins to kill. A CIA training manual entitled A Study of Assassination advises the would-be killer that "the simplest local tools are often the most efficient means of assassination. A hammer, axe, wrench, screwdriver, fire poker, kitchen knife, lamp stand, or anything hard, heavy and handy will suffice … All such improvised weapons have the important advantage of availability and apparent innocence … the assassin may accidentally be searched before the act and should not carry an incriminating device if any sort of lethal weapon can be improvised at or near the site."
The Mafia assassination service known as Murder, Inc. - the brainchild of the Lansky/Luciano syndicate, which had extensive connections to U.S. intelligence agencies - had a similar philosophy. As Jay Robert Nash notes in Bloodletters and Bad Men: "Like most of Murder, Inc.’s assassins, Pittsburgh Phil never carried a weapon in case the local police picked him up on suspicion. He would cast about, once he had selected his murder spot, for any tool handy that would do the job."
(As a brief aside, it should be noted that the man identified above as Pittsburgh Phil, whose real name was Harry Strauss, was credited with killing at least 500 people in this manner from the late 1920's through 1940. This feat should put him at or near the top of any self-respecting serial killer list.)
Henry Lee recounts in The Hand of Death that his training by the cult followed this time-honored tradition. Of course, the venerable FBI assures us that Satanic cults and Satanic crime do not exist in modern day America. To put this in its proper context, however, it is important to remember that this is the very same FBI that during the reign of Murder, Inc. - and for several decades thereafter - refused to acknowledge the existence of organized crime in America. It is also the same FBI that for years ignored the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan.
(The Klan, it should be noted, began as an occult based group formed just after the close of the Civil War by an alliance of Confederate Generals and intelligence operatives. The cult's original charter was drafted by General Albert Pike, who had served as the chief of Confederate Intelligence. The point of this digression is that the intelligence community has a long history of spawning occult based groups dedicated to terrorizing society.)
A number of America's other notable serial killers showed a proclivity for utilizing weapons of opportunity as well. The other serial killing Ramirez - Los Angeles' famed Night Stalker - is a case in point. In the majority of the murders attributed to that Ramirez, the victims (who ranged in age from six to eighty-four and were of various races and genders) were stabbed, bludgeoned, slashed, strangled, or electrocuted with weapons acquired at the crime scene. And strangely enough, some were intentionally left alive, as was the case with Resendez-Ramirez as well.
Florida serial killer Bobby Joe Long also showed a preference for inflicting death by a variety of means (shooting, strangling, stabbing), often with weapons of opportunity, and also left some of his victims alive. So too did Ted Bundy, whose most notorious alleged crime - the bludgeoning of four women in the Chi Omega sorority house, was committed with a club acquired on the grounds of the house immediately before his entry. This crime, by the way, was in marked contrast to Bundy's previous alleged murders, which involved but a single victim. Bundy's final murder before his incarceration, the killing of a twelve year old girl, also did not match his supposed MO as put forth by FBI profilers.
As previously stated, this is the rule rather than the exception. Arthur Shawcross, dubbed the Genesee River Killer, also showed no consistency in the targeting of victims. Males and females, young and old, black and white - all were represented on the victim's list of Shawcross. And this pattern, or non-pattern, is evident in the tales of numerous other serial killers:
Charles Ng and Leonard Lake: authorities recovered the remains of seven men, three women, and two babies from their Northern California compound. The causes of death were impossible to determine.
Jeffrey Dahmer: his victims, while all young men, included whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics and American Indians.
The Hillside Stranglers (Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi): all victims were women, but the cause of death varied, including electrocution, strangulation, lethal injections, and lethal gas (all methods that have been used, strangely enough, to perform judicial executions).

Richard Speck: his eight alleged victims died by a variety of means, including strangulation, stabbing, slashing of the throat and breaking of the neck, all in a single evening.

The Gainesville Ripper (Danny Rolling): his victims included both men and women from various age groups.

The Boston Strangler (Albert DeSalvo): his victims represented a range of ages, races and attractiveness. Though most were strangled, either with materials acquired at the crime scene or manually, some were stabbed, mutilated and/or sexually molested as well. Most were left on display, though one was discretely covered with a blanket.

The Vampire of Sacramento (Richard Chase): his victim's ages ranged from 20 months to 51 years, both males and females. Causes of death included shootings, stabbings and bludgeonings, with some victims left mutilated, beheaded and/or disemboweled. Some were cannibalized as well.

The Coed Killer (Edmund Kemper): all victims were female, though of various ages and races. Death was inflicted by means of stabbing, strangulation, suffocation, shooting and bludgeoning.

Herbert Mullin: his victims, both male and female, varied in age from children to the middle-aged. Weapons of choice included guns, knives and blunt instruments.

The Manson Family: victims, again both males and females, ranged in age from teen-aged Steven Parent to middle-aged Leno LaBianca. Death came by way of shootings, stabbings and bludgeonings, or a combination of these.

Clearly then there are any number of serial killer cases in which there is no defining Modus Operandi, and in which the deceased don't fit any kind of 'victim profile.' But what of the notion of the serial killer as a lone predator? Was Henry and Ottis' partnership an aberration? Not at all. There are any number of serial killer cases where it is officially acknowledged that there was more than one perpetrator. The Manson Family, of course, is probably the most well known case of multiple perpetrator 'serial killing.' Less well known is the case of the 'Ripper Crew' in Chicago in the early 1980's.

Described by authorities as a four-man Satanic cult, the Rippers - led by charismatic Robin Gecht - killed as many as 17 women in as many months. There could well have been more than four members of this particular murderous cult, however. A few days after the four were arrested, another ritually mutilated body showed up at a location where previous bodies had been left by the Rippers.

Then there is the case of Charles Ng. Though Ng was the only one to stand trial for his series of killings, it is acknowledged that the crimes were committed with the assistance of Leonard Lake, who committed suicide upon his arrest. And evidence strongly suggests that there were others involved as well. Lake's ex-wife was almost certainly involved. Police were well aware that at the very least, she had tampered with - and removed evidence from - the crime scene, including twelve videotapes believed to be snuff films of the murders. And a diary seized by police with a detailed plan to construct a series of bunkers outfitted with supplies, weapons, and sex slaves strongly hinted that there was more than just two individuals involved.

Many other serial killers have worked in pairs as well, such as the Hillside Strangler team of Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. Working the same Los Angeles area turf just one year after the Stranglers were stopped was the team of Roy Norris and Lawrence 'Pliers' Bittaker. And a few years after they were caught, the team of Douglas Clark and Carol Bundy would be working the very same L.A. streets in a series of killings dubbed the 'Sunset Strip Murders.'

The year after they were caught, another serial killer took over the L.A. market - Richard Ramirez, the notorious 'Night Stalker.' According to numerous witnesses - who placed Ramirez back in his home state of Texas at the time of some of the killings - these murders were not the work of a single killer either. Other evidence as well - such as the fact that more than one gun was used in the killings - tends to point to multiple perpetrators.

Then there is the matter of the 'Son of Sam' killings in New York. Though most of the literature available paints Berkowitz as the proverbial lone serial killer, Maury Terry and others have presented a compelling case that the killings were in fact the work of multiple cult members. In other serial killer cases as well, evidence pointing to multiple assailants is ignored or explained away with unlikely scenarios.

The body of one of Bobby Joe Long's victims, for instance, yielded semen showing both A and B blood types, indicating at least two perpetrators. A later victim also yielded semen evidence which did not match that obtained from the previous victim. And none of the samples proved to match the samples taken from their alleged killer.

There has long been speculation that the work of the 'Boston Strangler,' officially deemed to be Albert DeSalvo, was not the work of one man. Most of the officials involved in the investigation, in fact, never believed that a single killer was responsible. Of the eight members of the psychiatric panel convened to develop a 'profile,' seven believed that there were at least two perpetrators.

Even in those cases that seem to come closest to matching the classic serial killer profile, such as John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer, there is a compelling case to be made that there were others involved. That evidence will be examined in the next installment of this series. Here we will examine the cases of two high-profile alleged serial killers/mass murderers who were said to be acting alone. The first is a very recent case, that of Yosemite killer Cary Stayner. The other dates all the way back to 1966, the year Richard Speck allegedly went berserk in a home filled with young nursing students in Chicago, becoming the first mass murderer of the television age.

"It's more of a shadow than anything else. You know it's a human being, but yet you can't accept it. The killin' itself, it's like say, you're walkin' down the road. Half of me will go this way and the other half goes that way. The right-hand side didn't know what the left-hand side was going to do." ----Henry Lee Lucas, describing how he perceived his victims prior to killing them

In February of 1999, a forty-three year old woman and two teenage girls (one her daughter) were brutally murdered while visiting Yosemite National Park in California. Police originally suspected a group of men and women with extensive criminal records who were known members of a drug trafficking ring.

At least eleven members of this group were at one time suspected of complicity in the women's deaths. The group was based in Modesto, where one of the victim's billfolds incongruously showed up some time after the murders. One member of the group worked at the hotel/restaurant from where the women disappeared. Another had in her possession the victim's bank account number and ATM password. Yet another made incriminating statements to police and was discovered to have blanket fluff in his vehicle that matched the fibers recovered from one of the victims.

Investigators were building a substantial case against the group - who were being held in custody on unrelated charges - when a fourth victim was discovered in Yosemite. Two days later it was declared that a handyman at the hotel taken into custody, Cary Stayner, was solely responsible for all four murders. Unexplained, then or now, was the evidence that earlier had pointed in the direction of others.

Many of those involved in the case harbor serious doubts that Stayner acting alone could have committed these crimes. Apart from the physical evidence and testimony implicating others, the story concocted to explain how these murders were the work of a single individual is questionable at best. A good number of police and FBI agents assigned to the case believed from the beginning that more than one perpetrator was responsible, based on the physical implausibility of a single assailant. Many doubt that one man acting alone could have gotten the jump, so to speak, on three able-bodied women and bound them all.

They also doubt that one man could have carried the three bodies out to his car undetected, with one still alive and most likely resisting the killer's efforts, aware that her friend and mother had both already been killed. According to the official story though, that is exactly what happened. Stayner then allegedly single-handedly cleaned up the hotel room in which the first two murders occurred before driving for miles to kill the third victim and dump the body. The killer then supposedly drove many more miles to another location to abandon the car, with the other two bodies still in the trunk.

Stayner is next said to have taken a cab back to Yosemite Valley, though he would most likely have been covered in blood at the time. Two days later, he is said to have returned to the car in yet another vehicle and at that time to have set it afire, still with the two bodies inside. After this, he allegedly drove to Modesto to dump the billfold, though why he didn't destroy it in the car fire along with the rest of the evidence is anyone's guess.

Even with this rather convoluted story, authorities have not been able to explain away all of the incongruous evidence. For example, a taunting letter sent by the killer revealing the location of one of the bodies was sealed with saliva that was not that of Stayner. The FBI reluctantly acknowledged that DNA tests had verified that fact. Spokesmen for the Bureau had an explanation, however: their theory was that Stayner had "tricked an unsuspecting male" into supplying the saliva to seal the envelope. How exactly this would be done was left to the imagination. As was why it would be done. If Stayner had the foresight to not want to leave incriminating evidence on the letter and envelope, why not just use ordinary old tap water? It's been known to do the job.

If the available evidence in the Stayner case leaves doubts about the sole guilt of the accused, this is all the more true in the case of the infamous Richard Speck. The official story of what happened to those eight student nurses in the early morning hours of July 14, 1966 is, in a word, preposterous. If veteran criminal investigators are puzzled as to how Stayner was able to subdue three women, then it boggles the imagination how one man was able to single-handedly subdue nine women, bind them all, and then systematically kill all but one of them.

According to the sole survivor, Cora Amurao, it was she who answered the door that night, allowing Speck entry into the home. She claimed he was brandishing a gun, though none of the victims were shot that night and no evidence was ever found indicating that a gun was used at the crime scene. It was claimed that Speck stole the gun from a rape victim on the very day of the slaughter, after which it promptly disappeared.

Speck quickly corralled Amurao and the five other women in the house into a room, where he proceeded to tear up a sheet into strips and tie the women up, one by one. How he was able to accomplish this while keeping all the rest at bay is anyone's guess. Three more women would arrive home that evening and would likewise be subdued and bound by Speck.

Meanwhile, Speck began dragging the women off one at a time and slaughtering them, taking twenty minutes or more with each victim. As he finished with each, according to Amurao, he would wash up and then return for another. This scene played itself out over the course of at least three hours. During this time, the women awaiting their turn tried to hide under the beds, hoping to elude their assailant. They were, of course, found and killed. All, that is, except Cora Amurao who claims she avoided detection by Speck. The suggestion was made that Speck had lost count of his victims and had falsely concluded that all the girls were dead, thereby making the crucial error of leaving a living witness.

This part of the story is problematic in a number of ways. The first question raised is why did the girls remain in the room in which they were bound? If, despite their bindings, they were able to move about within the room - which they clearly were or they would not have been able to get under the beds - then why not leave the room altogether? And once out of the room, why not get completely out of the house? And what was to prevent the women from untying each other?

After all, the pattern was set early on. After the first couple of slayings, it had to be abundantly clear to the women that their lives were about to come to an abrupt end. It also had to be quite clear that there would be twenty minutes to kill (no pun intended) before the killer returned, more than enough time to attempt an escape. And what was there to lose? It is inconceivable that these women would have remained to await their turn with Speck.

And what of the survivor? It should be readily apparent to anyone that an adult human simply cannot successfully hide underneath a bed. This is amply illustrated by the fact that all but one of those attempting to do so were discovered. And yet one survived. How is it possible that Speck could have searched under the beds to locate the others, and yet failed to see Cora Amurao lying there as well. And is it really possible that Speck was unable to count to nine, especially considering that the stakes were exceedingly high?

Clearly if not for the existence of the survivor, the police would have immediately assumed multiple perpetrators. No theorizing was necessary, however, as the witness was on the scene to provide the unlikely scenario that would be refined to become the official story. Even so, the composite drawing of the suspect released by police clearly did not resemble Speck.

Since the entire trial of the man fingered by Amurao hinged on her eyewitness testimony - and little else - this star witness was zealously protected. She was kept incommunicado and prepped extensively for months for the testimony that she was to deliver, but not before she had identified the suspect in a most unusual manner. While Speck was recovering in the hospital from a failed suicide attempt, Amurao was allegedly sent in dressed as a nurse to observe the suspect. From this encounter, she positively identified him as the killer.

Leaving aside the obvious fact that this was a blatantly illegitimate means of identifying a suspect - which would have invalidated any subsequent attempts by Ms. Amurao to pick Speck out of a police line-up - the real question here is: in what alternative reality would this ever actually happen? What caliber of police official would send a severely traumatized crime victim - who just days before had witnessed the slaughter of eight of her friends and experienced the sheer terror of knowing that she could well be next - into a room unprotected to face the man who had put her through such torture? And what victim would be able to do so, with the memories so fresh? And what guarantee was there that Speck would not recognize his accuser, given that hers was the first face he had seen as he entered the house that night?

At any rate, this was just a warm-up exercise for what was to come. When the time came for Amurao to deliver her critical testimony, she delivered a bravura performance. She recited a meticulously rehearsed version of the events of July 14, and when the time came to identify the suspect in court, she played her trump card. Rising from her seat - allegedly without prompting or rehearsal - she calmly stepped out of the witness box, walked casually over to where Speck sat, stood directly in front of him while looking him in the eye, and told the court: "This is the man." That was the clincher; Speck was found guilty and sentenced to death.

There are indications though that this was not a foregone conclusion. Prosecutors clearly had doubts about their ridiculously shaky case. One indication of this is the remarkable fact that, though the case was moved some three hours outside of Chicago to Peoria, the judge stayed on in the new venue, an unprecedented development. This same judge slapped a gag order on the press, guaranteeing that no news would get back to Chicago - or anywhere else in the country for that matter. Coupled with the blocking of any interviews with Amurao, this action shut the public out from ever learning the weakness of the case against Speck.

But no matter. Authorities and the press had already assured everyone that Speck was guilty. And the public was hungry for a culprit to hang this heinous crime on. Speck would do just fine. But many of the more thoughtful citizens of Chicago are still waiting to learn what really happened in that house on that fateful night.

The most likely explanation? The 'survivor' and star witness was not actually a survivor at all. She was quite possibly an accomplice to a cult of individuals who perpetrated this slaughter. She was, as they say, the inside man. And it was not likely an accident that she was left alive. It was absolutely essential that she remain alive to sell the single assailant scenario and thereby derail an investigation before it ever began.

After all, authorities had noted from the beginning that the house was not highly visible and had immediately assumed familiarity of the killer with the surroundings. Speck did not have this familiarity, though Amurao certainly did. And it is likely not a coincidence that Amurao admitted to being the one to let the killer (or killers) into the house, while ironically becoming the sole survivor.

And what of Speck? He was likely little more than a patsy or fall guy. He may have had some involvement with the killings, though he certainly was not the sole assailant. And he might not have been in the house at all that night. He had no memory of ever leaving the bar that he had been drinking in earlier that evening, though he did remember receiving an injection from a man he didn't know that was supposed to contain speed.

It's possible that, like David Berkowitz, he may have taken the fall to protect the rest of the clan. This would certainly explain the preposterously lax treatment of Speck during his confinement. Or maybe you didn't catch that little home videotape - produced circa 1988 - that depicted Speck snorting huge piles of cocaine and flashing rolls of money (not to mention sporting a rather large and quite unattractive pair of breasts).

How it is possible that one of America's most notorious killers, while residing in what is reputedly one of the toughest prisons in the country, was able to obtain copious quantities of drugs and money and gain access to video equipment and hormone treatments has never been explained. It could be that Speck was rewarded in prison for being such a stand-up guy and taking the fall. Or it could be, as the right-wing law-and-order crowd would have you believe, that this is yet another indication of how America coddles its criminals.

If you choose this explanation, however, you might consider explaining that fact to the hundreds of thousands of non-violent offenders rotting away in jails and prisons all across this country, many serving longer sentences than some of America's serial killers have served. And you might also ponder why it was that Speck's death sentence was overturned on appeal, leaving him eligible for parole in just ten years.

Footnote: A couple weeks after the Chicago slaughter, Charles Whitman - a former marine who had received training by the Naval Enlisted Science Education Program (NESEP), an intelligence entity - would climb the tower at the University of Texas carrying three rifles, three handguns and a shotgun, and proceed to open fire, killing sixteen. Whitman would leave a note which read, in part, "I don't quite understand what is compelling me to type this note. I have been to a psychiatrist. I have been having fears and violent impulses."

Both of these mass murders occurred, strangely enough, just a few months after Anton LaVey had formally established the Church of Satan and declared April 30, 1966 to be the first day of the Age of Satan. Just a few weeks prior to that, long-time CIA asset Henry Luce's venerable Time magazine had asked its readers the symbolic question: "Is God Dead?" The face of a particularly brutal criminal enterprise, masquerading as a religion, was beginning to emerge from the shadows.

"I must have done it, if everybody says I did." ----Richard Speck


Part III: Seven Degrees of Henry Lee

July 2000

"Can I tell you who really I am, with all the secrecy that's in the family? ... I only have one purpose in life, and that's to express some of my views and some of the views that I have been instructed - anything that can put down Christianity, anything that can put down democracy, anything that can put down freedom." ----Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, delivering his closing argument to a jury in St. Louis, March 1989

Henry's reign of terror had been ended for a mere nine months when another series of violent 'serial killings' began on March 27, 1984 in part of Henry's old stomping ground, the state of Florida (where Resendez-Ramirez also confessed to having committed two murders). By the time it was over, ten people had met with a gruesome death, allegedly at the hands of Bobby Joe Long. Though rarely mentioned in press accounts of the killings, Long is a distant cousin of Henry Lee Lucas.

It had been just over two years since John Wayne Gacy had been indicted for the murder of thirty-three young men in Chicago when the first of a 'new' wave of 'serial killings' began terrorizing the people of the Windy City. A year-and-a-half later, seventeen young women had fallen victim to the 'Ripper Crew,' led by Robin Gecht. Though infrequently mentioned, Gecht had been one of the young male employees of John Gacy. Seventeen years later, just days prior to the scheduled execution of one of the 'Rippers', David Gecht - son of Robin - would be arrested along with three accomplices and charged with committing an act of murder.

The odds that it is merely coincidence that two serial killers worked side by side without either having awareness of - or involvement in - the other's killings are surely astronomical. More likely is that Gecht was a member of a cult led by Gacy and was indeed involved in the earlier series of killings. Well documented is that Gacy surrounded himself with young men and boys, one of whom was Robin Gecht.

Also documented is that Gacy had these boys excavate the twenty-nine graves located directly beneath his house. While it is claimed that the boys were unaware that what they were digging were graves, how credible is this claim? The stench of death permeating the space beneath Gacy's house - and indeed the house itself - was universally described as overwhelming.

It seems entirely possible that those digging the graves - and likely burying the bodies as well - were teen cultists led by Gacy himself. The home was likely used as something of a safe house for the cult, as well as a body drop. Following the arrest of Gacy, the group - now under the leadership of Gecht - was likely forced to take its activities out onto the streets, so to speak.

The change in gender of the victims could be due to one of two factors: a deliberate attempt to disassociate the Ripper killings from the Gacy killings; or simply a reflection of the difference in sexual preference between Gacy and Gecht. At any rate, it is an acknowledged fact that the Ripper Crew was a Satanic cult that killed as a group, much as did the Manson Family. Prosecutors in fact likened Gecht's followers to the Family, who yearned to please their leader and killed on command.

As mentioned in Part 1 of this series, the string of shootings dubbed the 'Son of Sam' murders were not - as is generally believed - the work of David Berkowitz acting alone, but were likewise the work of a Satanic cult (this case has been exhaustively researched by Maury Terry and documented in his book, The Ultimate Evil). An offshoot of the Process Church of the Final Judgment, the cult has been referred to as both the 'Chingon' cult and the 'Four-P' cult.

The Process Church, which set up shop in San Francisco, was itself an offshoot of the Church of Scientology, which was the brainchild of L. Ron Hubbard - an agent of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the son of a U.S. Navy Commander. Before being inspired to create his own church, Hubbard was a close associate and follower of Jack Parsons, rocket fuel scientist and avid follower of the occult, who helped found the prestigious Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.
Parsons was at the time the head of the American chapter of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis), a title bestowed on him by mentor Aleister Crowley, a flamboyant occultist, British and American intelligence asset, and avid Nazi sympathizer and propagandist both before and during World War II.
Crowley had assumed the leadership of the OTO in 1922 when founder Theodor Reuss - a German occultist and intelligence asset - had stepped down. The OTO then - along with the various organizations spawned from it - is in a direct line of descent from the German occult-based secret societies that gave rise to the Third Reich, a fact made evident by the ideology and symbolism of the Process Church, whose logo is a modified swastika.
Back in the Bay area, Anton Szandor LaVey and Crowley-enthusiast Kenneth Anger would set about busily organizing the Church of Satan in San Francisco, where LaVey would become something of a celebrity - the clown prince of Satanism. From this church would spring forth both the Temple of Set - led by U.S. intelligence asset and psychological warfare specialist Lt. Col. Michael Aquino - and the Werewolf Order, founded by LaVey's daughter Zeena and Manson-admirer Nikolas Schreck

Both of these off-shoots embraced an unabashedly fascist ideology. The Werewolf Order was patterned directly after the Nazi-front Werewolf Corps created in post-war Germany to thwart any attempts at denazification. Zeena LaVey and Nikolas Schreck are also notable for holding a public gathering on August 8, 1988 to celebrate the anniversary of the slaughter of Sharon Tate by the Manson Family.

So great is Aquino's admiration for Nazi Germany that he once paid a visit to Wewelsberg Castle - a Satanic holy ground owing to the fact that the castle was lavishly restored by Heinrich Himmler to serve as the headquarters of the Black Order of the SS - to perform a Satanic 'working.' Interestingly, Aquino considers himself to be a homunculus (a being created by magic), the result of a 'working' performed by Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard.

Aquino, who before splitting with the group was the highest ranking member of the Church of Satan other than LaVey, has said that LaVey secretly forged an alliance with the National Renaissance Party, an overtly racist, neo-Nazi organization. This is not difficult to believe, given that LaVey's writings can best be characterized as 'religious fascism.'

From this primordial stew would arise, in the late sixties, the Manson Family. Much of Manson's ideology was taken directly from the teachings of the Process Church, with whom Charlie was closely connected, as alluded to by Bugliosi in Helter Skelter, and greatly elaborated on by Ed Sanders in The Family (to verify that both Satanic and Nazi imagery and philosophy are integral to the teachings of the Family, pay a visit to the official Family web site, maintained for Charlie by long-time disciple Sandra Good).

Sanders links Manson as well to the Church of Satan and the OTO, as well as the Church of Scientology (as was true of Berkowitz as well). All of these connections are quite well documented in Terry's and Sanders' books. For instance, two of the Manson family members convicted of murder were recruited directly from LaVey's Church of Satan: Susan "Sexy Sadie" Atkins and Bobby "Cupid" Beausoleil, who is said to be a former lover and roommate of Kenneth Anger.

LaVey in fact provides one of many connections between killers and victims. He had formed a close association with Roman Polanski shortly before the murders, when he served as the technical consultant for Polanski on his film Rosemary's Baby, in which he also made a cameo appearance as - who else? - Satan. Newspaper accounts at the time of the slayings were rife with claims that the Polanskis were Satanists who hosted drug and sex orgies. But here I digress.

The point is that the Manson Family had numerous affiliations with an array of Satanic groups. In fact, Terry's evidence indicates that the Family was (and is) a Satanic cult itself, a faction of the Process-spawned Chingon cult and a sister group to the New York chapter responsible for the Son of Sam slayings. The Family was, appropriately enough, deeply involved in drug trafficking, as Henry Lee Lucas claimed his cult to be. It's likely not a coincidence that Ottis Toole was known to have paid visits to the Process Church headquarters in New Orleans.

Further evidence presented by Terry indicates that another sister group was in operation in the sixties and seventies in the San Francisco/Santa Cruz area, with this interlocking network quite possibly responsible for the Zodiac murders as well. With all this in mind, we now turn our attention to the Santa Cruz area and the explosion of violent murders that belched forth from that cauldron.

In March of 1967, Charles Milles Manson was released from prison and given transport to San Francisco, where - despite having served virtually his entire adult life in prison - he immediately started gathering followers, many recruited from the various Satanic groups blossoming in the area. In the Spring of the following year, 1968, Manson loaded his new followers into a bus and took them on the road, ultimately settling into the Los Angeles area where he quickly and improbably established numerous prominent contacts in the entertainment business.

In December of 1968, what was thought to be the first of the Zodiac murders rocked the San Francisco area (it would later be learned that the killings actually began in the Los Angeles area on October 30, 1966, shortly after the rampages of Richard Speck and Charles Whitman). Others would soon follow. On August 9th and 10th of 1969, the Manson Family committed two of the most notorious multiple murders in the nation's history - the Tate-LaBianca slayings - victims of which included Sharon Tate, the daughter of Colonel Paul Tate of U.S. Army Intelligence.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the country, a man named Stanley Baker was convicted in July of 1970 for the murder of a Montana resident. Baker candidly admitted to his arresting officers that he had a little problem - he was a cannibal. As proof, he produced from his pocket a well-gnawed human finger. Baker, as it turns out, liked to talk and candidly admitted his involvement in numerous other murders that he claimed to have committed as a member of the aforementioned Four-P c

truebeliever
09-07-2005, 08:28 AM
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Despite his confessed involvement in a number of murders, and despite the fact that the murder he was convicted of involved him ripping out the man's heart and eating it, Baker was released from prison after just fourteen years and remains at large today. This was perhaps due to the fact that he had distinguished himself as a model prisoner during his incarceration by starting his own Satanic cult and having no fewer than eleven weapons confiscated by guards (the theme of inexplicably lenient treatment by the criminal 'justice' system, already mentioned in conjunction with Henry Lee, will be more fully explored later).

Just months after the conviction of Baker - in a case closely mirroring the slaughter of the residents of the Tate house - John Lindley Frazier, allegedly acting alone, killed all the occupants of a home in Santa Cruz, including a prominent doctor, his wife, secretary, and two children. As a grand finale, he threw the bodies in the pool (largely cleansing them of forensic evidence) and then lit the house on fire. Frazier, who was known to have a strong interest in the occult, was said to have started his own lifestyle as an Aquarian Age hermit, living in a six-foot-square shack in the woods (can you say Ted Kaczynski - who was, by the way, a subject of MK-ULTRA experiments while a student at Harvard).

Not long after Frazier's rampage, and while the death toll of the Zodiac Killer continued to rise, Edmund Kemper began his bloody odyssey through the streets of Santa Cruz, ultimately leaving eight dead before being stopped in early 1973. Most of his victims were beheaded and dissected, as well as being cannibalized and sexually abused after their death. Just five months after Kemper claimed his first victim, Herbert Mullin began a parallel series of killings in (where else?) Santa Cruz.

Mullin also admitted to having a strong interest in the occult, a fact made evident by the nature of the killings attributed to him. His first victim was killed on Friday the 13th, his second on or about Halloween. His third killing was the stabbing of a Catholic priest in his confessional on November 2 - All Souls Day (this may have been a politically motivated hit; the victim, Father Henry Tomei, was a hero of the anti-fascist French resistance movement during World War II).

All told, Mullin would be credited with thirteen killings in just four months before being stopped in February of 1973. While awaiting trial on the charges, he was assigned a cell adjoining none other than Ed Kemper. The two were, inexplicably, represented by the same defense attorney - James Jackson - who had not long before represented fellow Santa Cruz mass murderer John Frazier. Even more inexplicably, all three were 'examined' after their arrest by psychiatrist Donald Lunde, who appeared as a witness in all three trials. Apparently, there aren't many defense attorneys or psychiatric witnesses available in Santa Cruz (Mullin attempted to refuse the services of attorney Jackson, but the judge denied his request).

For those who have lost count, that makes six serial killers/mass murderers - Charles Manson, Stanley Baker, John Lindley Frazier, Edmund Kemper, Herbert Mullin, and the Zodiac - all spawned from the Santa Cruz/San Francisco area in a span of just over four years, a rather remarkable geographic anomaly that has never been addressed. These killers were part of the dawn of a new era that would see serial killers become an ever-present part of the American culture.

Prior to 1960, fewer than two serial killers a year were reported nationwide. By 1970, the number had climbed to six per year, and by 1980 had tripled that figure. By 1990, nearly three dozen serial killers a year were being reported. Not surprisingly then, the rash of Satanic murders afflicting California would continue. In 1977, not far from San Francisco, another serial killer began a string of killings.

Richard Chase, dubbed the Vampire of Sacramento, would soon stand accused of six homicides that were laced with Satanic symbolism, including the ritual mutilation of the left breast of one of his female victims and the drinking of his victim's blood (this preoccupation with the left breast of victims was shared by the Ripper Crew, who routinely severed and cannibalized the left breast of their victims. In the Boston Strangler case, one of the victims was found with 18 stab wounds forming a design on her left breast. And Resendez-Ramirez, aside from his killings in the U.S., is suspected in the ritual murders of as many as 187 women in Juarez, Mexico - many of whom had their left breast severed).

Yet another Satanic serial killer was to terrorize California in 1984, the highly publicized Night Stalker - Richard Ramirez. Ramirez's involvement in Satanism was so flagrant that it was impossible for the press to ignore. He was routinely referred to as a 'self-styled Satanist,' however, which is clearly not the case. In truth, Ramirez was connected to at least one high-profile Satanic church, and likely to a covert cult as well.

Ramirez was first introduced to Satanism at a young age by his older cousin Mike in - of all places - El Paso, Texas (or possibly even earlier by his father, a former policeman in Juarez, Mexico). Mike was a decorated Green Beret who had served as a special forces operative in Vietnam. Chances are that cousin Mike was in fact a Phoenix Program assassin, who clearly relished the opportunity that Vietnam gave him to engage in his bloodlust.

Mike had documented some of his assignments in Vietnam by taking graphic Polaroid photos depicting rape, extreme torture, mutilation, and murder. These he shared with his young cousin Richard. There is reason to believe that Mike also got Richard involved with a cult, which certainly don't seem to be in short supply in the El Paso area.

Richard left El Paso in 1978 and journeyed to California, where he quickly hooked up with LaVey's Church of Satan, where he was honored with a one-on-one meeting with LaVey. It is claimed that he parted company with LaVey's group before his killing spree began, though his interest in Satanism clearly continued, as evidenced by the symbolism attending the Night Stalker crime scenes, including the drawing of pentagrams.

Also described as a 'dabbler' in Satanism was everyone's favorite cannibal, Jeffrey Dahmer. It is likely that Dahmer was much more than just a dabbler, a fact made clear by the detailed plan for constructing a Satanic alter that was found in his apartment, complete with the human skulls he had been collecting. In one of the most bizarre 'coincidences' surrounding America's serial killers, the brother of one of Dahmer's victims was found stabbed to death in March of 1999 - long after Dahmer himself had been murdered - in what was described by police as a ritual sacrifice.

This would tend to indicate that others were involved in Dahmer's murder spree, though it is possible that it was just a coincidence. Given, however, that Satanic crime is said to be so rare in America that it does not in fact exist, one wonders what the odds are of two kids from the same family being murdered under such circumstances. And while we are on the subject of coincidences, what are the odds that the Stayner family would have one son kidnapped as a child and subjected to eight years of torture and sexual abuse, only to have their other son later turn out to be a serial killer? But here again I digress.

Yet another obvious Satanist in the serial killer crowd is the man who was known as the Butcher of Kansas, Bob Berdella. By his own admission, Berdella turned to Satanism after the death of his father when he was still a teen. Among the array of macabre artifacts found in his home and place of business (Bob's Bizarre Bazaar) were numerous items fashioned from human body parts, as well as an abundance of occult literature and a Satanic ritual robe. Another rather curious fact about the Berdella case was that following his conviction, a local millionaire named Dell Dunmire bought all of Berdella's belongings, including the house in which the murders were committed and the entire inventory of his home and business. He proceeded to level the house and then sold the vacant lot.

It is quite possible that these actions were taken to hide evidence of the involvement of others, including possibly himself. It will be recalled that Henry Lee Lucas claimed that the upper echelons of the cult he was involved with included the wealthy and powerful. Berkowitz made the same claims of the Son of Sam cult. Journalist Terry was, in fact, able to document the involvement in the cult of such figures as Cotton Club film producer Roy Radin and wealthy art dealer Andrew Crispo. Crispo actually admitted to being present at a ritual homicide, though he denied participating in the grisly murder. Radin, on the other hand, became a victim of the cult himself.

Another acknowledged Satanist was Leonard Lake, and likely his partner Charles Ng as well. Lake's ex-wife admitted that her former spouse had a long-time affiliation with a San Francisco 'witches coven,' and friends recalled that Lake had often claimed membership in a secret 'death cult.'

Besides the killers listed here who have exhibited an overt interest in Satanism, it is tempting to conclude that any murder that includes such elements as cannibalism, ritual mutilation and necrophilia is Satanically inspired. To do so, however, would reek of Christian fundamentalism with its desire to cast all such evil as the work of the Devil.

We will refrain from doing so here. We will also pause here to note that your erstwhile reporter is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Christian fundamentalist. In fact, he is not a Christian at all, but rather an atheist. He does not believe in God or Satan, though he does believe that both are concepts that are used by the powerful few to promote an agenda.
He also does not believe that those who are at the top of the food chain on either side of the aisle believe in God or Satan, for that matter. They merely exploit the belief systems of their followers to serve their own ends. The main point here is that readers should not conclude that the actions of these killers is influenced or directed by an entity known as Satan, but by mortal men who manipulate the belief systems of others. I'm glad we cleared that up, but once again I digress.

"Satan gets into people and makes them do things they don't want to." -----Herbert Mullin speaking to a Bible study class

We turn now to another of the recurrent themes that runs through the serial killer literature: the inexplicably lax treatment afforded America's serial killers - already noted in reference to Henry Lee Lucas, Richard Speck and Stanley Baker. This trend is all the more remarkable in light of the fact that the U.S. has the harshest criminal justice system in the 'free' world.

So leniently have many of our serial killers been treated that it is hard not to conclude that the actions of America's courts and key law enforcement personnel are often deliberately intended to keep these men on the streets. If this is not the case, then it is difficult to imagine what other explanation would suffice to explain these glaring exceptions to the 'Rule of Law.'

John Wayne Gacy, for instance, was convicted in 1968 of violently raping a teenage boy. For this he was sentenced to ten years, but was released after serving just 18 months. Some years later - during the killing years of 1972-1978 - at least two young men would go to the police with stories of being chloroformed by Gacy and being subsequently tortured and violently raped.

Despite Gacy's record for engaging in exactly that type of behavior, the complaints were not believed by the police who failed to take any action. Police did finally take action in December of 1978, searching Gacy's home in response to allegations made by yet another young man. They found drivers licenses and jewelry that appeared to belong to some of the missing boys, copious quantities of drugs, a stained rug, handcuffs, a home-made stock, police badges, a syringe and needles, and rope.

Despite the discovery of this evidence - and the fact that the stench of death literally filled every corner of the house as it rose up through the floor boards from the twenty-nine corpses rotting below - the police decided to take no action at that time and left to "further research the case." Gacy would not be arrested for eight more days, and then it was on drug charges unconnected to the murders. This triggered a second search of the house though that resulted in the discovery of the bodies.

In between the first and second searches, Gacy actually invited officers into his home for drinks, and yet again they bafflingly failed to notice the unmistakable smell of decomposition. Police also aided Gacy by steadfastly refusing to list any of Gacy's victims as 'missing,' preferring instead to consider them runaways. It was noted during the search, by the way, that Gacy's house was impeccably neat, as was that other infamous death house, Jeffrey Dahmer's Milwaukee apartment.

Dahmer also received rather lax treatment from authorities both before and during his killing spree. In 1989, Dahmer had been convicted on molestation charges, for which he received only probation and one year on a work release program. Even this was too harsh though, and a judge granted him early release after just ten months, despite a letter from the prisoner's own father asking that he be held until he received treatment.

Following his release, his probation officer failed to make a single visit to Dahmer's home, which - like Gacy's - reeked of death and decomposition. This would later become the basis of a lawsuit by survivors of some of Dahmer's victims, who plausibly contended that a single visit by the probation department would have put Dahmer out of business.

Even more baffling is the fact that a 14-year-old boy - naked, bleeding and heavily drugged - was seen fleeing Dahmer's apartment by two women who called the police to report the incident. The police, upon their arrival, chose to believe Dahmer's story of a lover's quarrel, despite the fact that the women were still on the scene and angrily tried to inform the officers that they had seen the terror-stricken boy actively resisting Dahmer's efforts to restrain him, and despite the fact that the boy was clearly underage.

Yet more inexplicable, the police claim to have accompanied the pair back to Dahmer's apartment and to have noticed nothing amiss. This despite the fact that there was at the time a three-day-old corpse on the bed with the attendant smell of death, not to mention an abundance of rather morbid artifacts. Nevertheless, the police left and Dahmer promptly proceeded to kill the boy and rape and disembowel the corpse.

The mother of one of the women who had witnessed the boy fleeing called officers back after reading a newspaper story on a missing boy who closely resembled the naked young man, but her concerns were dismissed. Out of despair, she even contacted the local FBI office, but this was also to no avail. The case was considered closed, even though Dahmer was a convicted child molester who was still on probation, and even though the boy who police returned to the killer that night was the brother of the boy Dahmer had previously been convicted of molesting.

The Night Stalker was another who received notably light sentencing. Convicted of rape while still in high school, he was let off without even receiving probation. And his mentor - cousin Mike - was convicted of shooting his wife in the face, killing her in full view of the 13-year-old future serial killer. He was sent to a mental hospital from which he was released in less than five years. Following his release, he again assumed the role of mentor to Richard.

Then there is the case of Bobby Joe Long, Henry's kin. Accused by his girlfriend of rape and battery, he was convicted of the latter. The verdict was set aside, however, when a judge received a letter from Long and, strangely enough, considered it a valid legal motion for a new trial and granted the prisoner's 'motion.' At his new trial, Long was acquitted despite numerous credible witnesses who testified against him. Between the first and second trials, he was also convicted of sending obscene materials and making obscene phone calls to a twelve-year-old girl. For this, he was sentenced to six month's probation and two days in jail. Later, he was convicted of attempting to abduct a girl at gunpoint and received a $1,500 fine and three years probation.

How much worse can it get, you ask? Consider the case of Gary Heidnik. He was arrested in 1978 when it was discovered that he had a woman chained in his basement. She had been repeatedly tortured and raped. Charged with kidnapping, rape, unlawful restraint and false imprisonment, Heidnik was convicted. He was back out by early 1983. A few years later, six more women would have to endure this same tortuous ordeal. Two of them would not survive.

Or consider the case of Arthur Shawcross. Arthur had gone to Vietnam in 1968, and though records indicate he served as a supply clerk, he returned telling lurid tales of rape, torture, cannibalism, mutilation and dismemberment (can you say Phoenix?). Upon his return, he promptly set fire to a local paper mill and a cheese factory - crimes for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. He served less than two.

A year later, Shawcross raped, strangled, mutilated and cannibalized an eight-year-old girl and a ten-year-old boy. He also admitted returning on several occasions to have sex with the boy's rotting corpse. He received a 25 year sentence for the girl's death, but was never even charged with the boy's murder, despite the fact that he had confessed to the crime and showed investigators where the body lay. Shawcross was released just fifteen years later, resulting in eleven more deaths.

Or consider the case of Edmund Kemper. In 1964, young Ed shot both his grandparents in the head. Placed in the custody of the Youth Authority, Kemper was released after serving just five years for the double murder. Richard Speck was convicted of attacking a girl with a knife and nearly killing her in January 1965, just a year before the Chicago mass murder. He served just five months, despite having been arrested some three dozen times in his life prior to the assault. This was attributed to 'bureaucratic error.'

As the trial was set to begin for Hillside Strangler Angelo Buono, prosecutors moved to dismiss all ten murder charges and drop prosecution altogether of Buono as the Strangler. The judge, to his credit, refused to grant the motion and instructed the prosecutors to proceed with the case. Richard Chase was released from psychiatric confinement in 1976 despite protests from the staff that he was dangerous, due in part to his professed belief that he required the blood of others to survive. His killings began the next year, but not before his being found by the police in the desert naked and covered in blood. In his car nearby were guns and a bucket of human blood.

Albert DeSalvo, purportedly the Boston Strangler, was arrested in 1955 and charged with molesting a nine-year-old girl. The charges were dropped. In the next few years, he was twice arrested for breaking and entering. Both times he received suspended sentences. In 1960, he was again convicted of breaking and entering in conjunction with a series of sexual assaults. He served just eleven months.

And consider finally the cases of Charles Manson and Ted Bundy. The LAPD, arguably the most corrupt police department in the country - though there is certainly no lack of competition - couldn't really be bothered with the wealth of evidence that implicated Family members in the Tate and LaBianca murders. The department refused to acknowledge and examine the glaringly obvious connections between the two murder scenes, thus severely hampering the investigation. They likewise refused to explore the connections between the Gary Hinman murder and the other two more high-profile crimes.

The L.A. Sheriffs had solved the Hinman case, no thanks to the LAPD, and had Bobby Beausoleil in custody and knew of his connections to the Family. They were also well aware of the connections between the three crime scenes. Two motorcycle gang members with close ties to the Family - Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo of the Straight Satans - had given them damning testimony concerning the Family's involvement in all the murders.

When the sheriffs passed this information on to the LAPD, they proceeded to do absolutely nothing. Meanwhile, on September 1, 1969, just a few weeks after the Tate murders, a gun was found and turned in to L.A.'s finest. The gun was a rather rare and unique firearm, and just happened to match the description of the weapon suspected of being used in the murders, right down to the broken handle.

Nevertheless, the department tagged and filed away the weapon, where it was promptly forgotten. For months. It took a phone call from the father of the boy who had found the gun to get the department to acknowledge its existence, and even then he was initially told that it had probably been destroyed. It hadn't, and was in fact the weapon used to kill the victims at the Tate house.
Elsewhere, Susan Atkins had been arrested on unrelated charges and was spending some time in the Sybil Brand Institute for Women. While there, she gave detailed confessions of the murders to two fellow inmates. Both of these women tried repeatedly to pass this information along to the LAPD, but were consistently denied permission to do so, despite the fact that one of the women to whom these requests were made was at the time dating one of the Tate case homicide detectives.

In other words, the LAPD had at its disposal the eyewitness accounts of a participant in the crime, the gun used in the crime, the statements of two close associates of the killers directly implicating them in the crime, among other evidence, and yet chose to do nothing for a period of several months.

Ted Bundy, on the other hand, had already been taken into custody when his comedy of errors began. The problem was that, in some kind of surrealistic Keystone Cops scenario, they just couldn't seem to keep him there. In 1975, Bundy was convicted of the kidnapping and assault of Carol DaRonch. For this, he was sentenced to 1-15 years with the possibility of parole, meaning that he likely would have been back on the streets in record time.

Shortly thereafter, Colorado police filed murder charges against Bundy, greatly overdue considering that at least five people - including one of Bundy's college professors and, on more than one occasion, his own fiancee - had given the police Bundy's name in connection with a string of killings being investigated in Seattle and elsewhere. This information was filed away and forgotten for years.

Now awaiting trial for murder, and suspected of numerous other murders, Bundy was granted permission to represent himself. Despite being an obvious security risk, he was allowed to do research in the courthouse library, unattended and unrestrained. Luckily for Ted, the library had an open window. Bundy 'escaped' by jumping out the window and casually walking away to freedom.

Recaptured after nearly a week on the lam, Bundy would 'escape' again just months later. This time he was said to have exited his cell through the ceiling space and crawled into the living quarters of a deputy. He then dropped down from the ceiling and strolled casually out the door. If this is in fact the case, then it must be noted that this is a very peculiar design feature for a prison.

Part 4 of this story will look at further similarities in the stories of America's serial killers.

"Like you have a job, I have a job, he has a job. His job is killing people. That's what he was trained to do." ----Cynthia Haden referring to Richard Ramirez (Miss Haden was a juror in the Ramirez trial, and later established a relationship with the condemned man in an effort to understand what drove a person to commit such crimes)

Part IV: Seven More Degrees of Henry Lee

July 2000

"... draftees were made to kill dogs and vultures by biting their throats and twisting off their heads, and had to watch as soldiers tortured and killed suspected dissidents - tearing out their fingernails, cutting off their heads, chopping their bodies to pieces and playing with the dismembered arms for fun." ---Noam Chomsky describing a deserter's account of the training received by CIA-backed Salvadoran death squads

Most Americans have difficulty accepting the idea of the mind controlled killer, whether it be the lone-nut assassin such as Lee Harvey Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan, or whether it be a serial killer like Henry Lee Lucas or Charles Manson. Yet the fact remains that U.S. intelligence services have devoted a considerable amount of time and money to developing just such an individual.

There is not space here to detail all the techniques and methods that have received attention from the CIA and others. The basic methodology was revealed decades ago by George Estabrooks - a prominent psychologist under contract to the intelligence services - in his book Hypnotism, first published in 1943. Estabrooks candidly acknowledged that his "main interest has always been the military application of hypnosis." While 'Esty' notes that the "intelligent reader ... will sense that much more is withheld than has been told," there is nevertheless enough information given to construct a fairly accurate picture of the fundamentals of mind control.

What is needed is a subject suffering from what used to be termed Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), and what is now termed Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). This condition can already exist within the subject or can be created by the therapist. In all cases, however, the condition is created by severe trauma - so severe in fact that the traumatic episode cannot be integrated into the experiences of the core personality.

Far and away the most common cause of MPD is early childhood abuse, usually inflicted by a parent or other adult guardian. As Dr. Frank Putnam stated in 1989: "I am struck by the quality of extreme sadism that is reported by most MPD victims. Many multiples have told me of being sexually abused by groups of people, of being forced into prostitution by family members, or of being offered as sexual enticement to their mother's boyfriends. After one has worked with a number of MPD patients, it becomes obvious that severe, sustained, and repetitive child abuse is a major element in the creation of MPD."

When the abuse is of an extreme nature, the natural human reaction is to build a wall around such experiences, so to speak, by creating a separate and distinct personality to deal with future episodes of abuse. Once the core personality is split, it is then possible to control one or more of the alters that have been created, without the conscious knowledge of the main personality. This, according to Estabrooks, creates the 'Super Spy,' willing to follow orders unquestioningly without even being aware that he is doing so.

Estabrooks only alludes to the severe trauma that is required to create a true multiple, often referring to the trauma euphemistically as a form of hypnotism. At one point, he notes that "[multiple personalities] are caused by a form of hypnotism in the first place! We will see that emotional shock produces exactly the same results as hypnotism." Later, he comes closer to the grim reality when he states: "multiple personality could be both caused and cured by hypnotism. Remember that war is a grim business. Suppose we deliberately set up that condition of multiple personality to further the ends of military intelligence."

Elsewhere, Estabrooks acknowledges that he himself had written previously that: "everyone could be thrown into the deepest state of hypnotism by the use of what [I] termed the Russian method - no holds barred, deliberate disintegration of the personality by psychic torture ... The subject might easily be left a mental wreck but war is a grim business." Also noted is that children make especially good subjects, given that they "are notoriously easy to hypnotize." Which is to say, children are particularly vulnerable to abuse and have more of a tendency to dissociate traumatic experiences, thereby creating alter identities that can be later exploited and controlled.

This is one of the main reasons that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have played a key role in the creation of 'mainstream' Satanic groups such as the OTO and the Temple of Set, as well as in denying the existence of underground Satanic cults and Satanic crime. These Satanic groups have frequently served as agency fronts for mind-control operations. For when it comes to severely traumatizing children, nothing compares to the stories told by those who have survived what has been termed Satanic Ritual Abuse (sometimes referred to as Sadistic Ritual Abuse). Of course, there has been a concerted effort to discredit all such stories, spearheaded by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation - a group led by a truly vile coalition of CIA affiliated psychologists and accused pedophiles.

Also playing a key role in the movement to deny the validity of recovered memories of severe abuse are Paul and Shirley Eberle, authors of the supposedly authoritative book The Politics of Child Abuse, which attempts to blame all child abuse accusations and prosecutions on overzealous prosecutors, therapists and parents. This might be a little more credible if the Eberles themselves were not well known to Los Angeles police as distributors of child pornography, a fact that the media conveniently and consistently ignore while touting the Eberles as authorities in the field of child abuse.

There is not the time or the space here to review the literature supporting the claims of abuse survivors. Suffice it to say that when viewed in the context of a state-sponsored mind control program, we can begin to understand why someone would inflict such appalling levels of abuse on America's children, and why so much effort and disinformation would be put forth to discredit such claims if they are in fact valid.

By cloaking mind control operations in Satanic rituals, yet another purpose is served as well. Even if an operation is uncovered - as was the case at the McMartin Preschool - the stories told by the children are so outlandish, so far removed from the world as we know it, that they are easily cast aside as the product of a child's fertile imagination. But is it really mere coincidence that the very acts that child survivors of ritual abuse all across the country claim to have witnessed and participated in - cannibalism, bestiality, pedophilia, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, etc. - are the same depraved acts that are the stock-in-trade of America's serial killers?

In the previous installment of this series, the connections between America's serial killers and Satanism were explored. In the next installment of what has become a considerably longer work than was originally intended, we will explore the overlapping area of mind control. Of course, it is rarely possible to substantiate that a given person has indeed been victimized by CIA mind control procedures. There are clues, however, that when taken together tend to point in that direction. Some of these are:

A history of severe childhood abuse.

A diagnosis of Multiple Personality Disorder, or symptoms indicating the presence of the condition.

The reporting of voices in the head instructing the subject what to do.

Connections to the intelligence community.

Connections to military, prison, and/or psychiatric facilities known or suspected to be involved in MK-ULTRA projects.

Before looking at these factors in the last installment of this series, we will look here at some other recurrent themes that tend to indicate that there is more to the average serial killer than meets the eye. Specifically, we will focus on:

The suspicious deaths of key players during the trials of various killers, tending to indicate the complicity of others and/or a high-level cover-up.

The suspicious deaths of the killers themselves.

Actions taken by the accused that seem deliberately intended to circumvent a full airing of the evidence at trial, including the giving of voluntary confessions, the entering of guilty pleas, the failure to mount a defense, and the insistence by the accused that they be allowed to serve as their own attorney (such actions, it should be noted, also provide fertile ground for later appeals and sentencing delays).

During the Manson trial for instance, one of the Family's defense attorneys was murdered, Charlie insisted on the right to defend himself, and the defense stunned the courtroom and legal observers by resting their case without calling a single defense witness to rebut the prosecution's case, virtually guaranteeing an easy win for Bugliosi and the state.

Cary Stayner sealed his fate by giving a detailed confession implicating himself - and he alone - in the four homicide charges he was facing, clearing several others who were - unlike Stayner - linked to the killings by hard physical evidence. On September 6th of this year, Stayner and his attorney accepted the terms of a plea bargain agreement that reeks of a cover-up. Stayner professed his sole guilt in the death of Joie Armstrong and was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole, though he was spared a death sentence.

Besides the fact that the guilty plea eliminated the need for a highly publicized trial, the agreement contained a very unusual provision, stating that: "After the entry of judgment in this case until his death he [Stayner] will not speak to anyone, write to anyone, or communicate to anyone about the death of Joie Ruth Armstrong." No one, in other words, will ever hear Stayner's side of the story.

Herb Mullin stunned the court and his attorney by attempting to plead guilty to six counts of first-degree murder. The judge refused to accept the plea given the gravity of the consequences. Ed Kemper, another Santa Cruz serial killer, drove all the way to Colorado after his last killing before inexplicably calling his friends on the force back home and turning himself in, whereupon he gave meticulously detailed confessions to eight brutal murders.

Danny Rolling, the Gainesville Ripper, stunned the courtroom hearing his case by entering guilty pleas and taking sole responsibility for five homicides. He was given the death penalty on all five counts. Included among the evidence indicating that Rolling did not act alone was the fact that one of his victims - who was restrained and tortured prior to his death - was a 6'3" tall, 200+ pound athlete who put up a fierce fight for his life. Rolling, acting alone, was simply not physically up to the task.

Bob Berdella was quite obliging to his captors, giving confessions to six torture murders. He then surprised the court by entering a guilty plea to one count of murder arising from those confessions. Berdella served only four years before dying at the young age of 43, officially of a heart attack. Many suspect the true cause was poisoning. Richard Speck also allegedly died of a heart attack at the relatively young age of 49. Richard Chase served just two-and-a-half years of his sentence before he was discovered dead in his cell, allegedly of a drug overdose. Chase was incarcerated in Vacaville - a hot bed of CIA mind control operations - and was reportedly on 'anti-psychotic' medication at the time.

Jeffrey Dahmer proved to be quite cooperative in captivity, giving highly detailed confessions to seventeen murders. In court, he ignored his lawyer's advice and plead guilty but insane to fifteen counts of murder. Dahmer served just two years before being paired with two homicidal inmates on an unsupervised work detail. Only one emerged alive, and it wasn't Dahmer.

Leonard Lake, partner of Charles Ng, popped a cyanide capsule during an interrogation shortly after his arrest for shoplifting, which he conveniently and rather improbably had hidden in the collar of his shirt. He died without ever regaining consciousness. Ng, who served as his own attorney for awhile, somehow managed to place a phone call to a juror during his trial. One man who Ng had confessed to - who was to be a key witness at the trial - died in a single car crash before he could appear.

Ted Bundy, who represented himself three times - in Utah, Colorado and again in Florida - eventually confessed to being solely responsible for twenty-eight murders. John Wayne Gacy obliged his captors by confessing to thirty or more murders, taking sole credit for all of them. The Night Stalker insisted on retaining two grossly inexperienced and ineffective attorneys to represent him, predictably resulting in nineteen death sentences from the jury, whose deliberations were delayed when one of the twelve was killed in her home in a grisly Night Stalker-style slaying. Nothing unusual about that.

Douglas Clark, the Sunset Strip Killer, insisted on defending himself; his request was granted. His partner, Carol Bundy, had a change of heart on the day she was set to go to trial and preempted the proceedings by entering guilty pleas on two counts of murder. But perhaps nowhere was such a concerted effort made to avoid an airing of the truth in open court than in the case of Albert DeSalvo, the purported Boston Strangler. DeSalvo never actually stood trial for the stranglings. No one, in fact, has ever stood trial for the stranglings.

Had DeSalvo stood trial for the killings, he would without question have been acquitted. There was not then, nor has there ever been, a single piece of physical evidence produced tying DeSalvo to any of the slayings. Not a single eyewitness could place DeSalvo at - or anywhere near - any of the crime scenes. This is not to say that there were no eyewitnesses who had seen 'The Strangler.' There were several; none of them could identify DeSalvo as the man they saw.

The public, meanwhile, was clamoring for resolution of the case. Luckily for them, DeSalvo's attorney - F. Lee Bailey - came up with what has to be the most preposterous and unethical defense in the history of American jurisprudence. As Bailey himself has stated: "I wanted the right to defend a man for robbery and assault by proving that he had committed thirteen murders." In other words, rather than defending his client against the relatively light charges he was actually faced with, Bailey opted to proclaim his client's guilt on those charges, but argued that he should be found innocent by reason of insanity based on the fact that he had also committed thirteen murders. Now that's a hell of a defense.

Bailey didn't bother to cross-examine a single prosecution witness, making no effort whatsoever to rebut the charges DeSalvo was facing. Instead, he presented a ridiculously flimsy case for DeSalvo's guilt in the Strangler killings, a case that would never have stood up to cross examination. This wasn't really a concern though, since when it is the defense attorney presenting the prosecution's case, there isn't anyone to conduct a cross examination.

The end result was that DeSalvo was found guilty of the robbery and assault charges by the jury, and guilty of the murder charges in the court of public opinion - which is of course exactly what was intended. For this shameless selling-out of his client, Bailey should at the very least have been disbarred, if not brought up on criminal charges himself. Instead, he went on to fame and fortune and a most undeserved reputation as a skilled attorney.

DeSalvo, on the other hand, went on to an early death. He was stabbed to death in the prison infirmary the morning after making an urgent call to Dr. Ames Robey, a prison psychiatrist who had spent a considerable amount of time with the prisoner. DeSalvo had told Robey that he wanted to meet with the doctor and a reporter early the next day. Robey recalls what happened next:

"He was going to tell us who the Boston Strangler really was, and what the whole thing was about. He had asked to be placed in the infirmary under special lockup about a week before. Something was going on within the prison, and I think he felt he had to talk quickly. There were people in the prison, including guards, that were not happy with him ... Somebody had to leave an awful lot of doors open, which meant - because there were several guards one would have to go by - there had to be a fair number of people paid or asked to turn their backs or something. But somebody put a knife into Albert DeSalvo's heart sometime between evening check and the morning."

Bailey had convinced DeSalvo to sign an agreement with author Gerold Frank to pen the disinformational The Boston Strangler. The book, which argued that DeSalvo had indeed been solely responsible for the killings, became a best seller and further reinforced in the public's mind the notion that the killings had been solved. Bailey, by the way, pocketed the advance money that was supposed to go to DeSalvo, prompting Albert to file complaints with the state bar association, though these were ignored.

We conclude this installment with the case of another 'serial killer' that never quite made it to court. Consider the unusual case of one Herb Baumeister of Indianapolis, Indiana. Herb's strange tale stands as a rather blatant example of how the 'serial killer' label is applied as a cover-up for a much larger criminal enterprise.

Herb was the son of a prominent doctor who secreted his young son off to 'mental examinations.' Shortly after dropping out of college - where he had been an anatomy major - he spent two months in a psychiatric hospital where he was diagnosed as having two or more personalities. As a young man - and a member of the Young Republicans (as was Ted Bundy) - he opened a successful business in conjunction with the Children's Bureau of Indianapolis, which gave him ready access to, naturally enough, children.

Exactly what Herb's business with the children actually was is a matter of conjecture. It was certainly profitable though, allowing Herb to purchase a sprawling, secluded 18.5 acre estate dubbed 'Fox Hollow Farms.' Police would soon discover thousands of human bones, bone fragments and teeth on the heavily wooded estate, many scattered about in plain sight. How many more were buried will probably never be known.

Baumeister was away at a lake with his son when the search of his property began. Two days into the search, police paid a visit to Baumeister at the lake, where they removed his son from his custody. They did not, however, take Baumeister into custody - or even question him. This, mind you, after investigators had just spent two full days excavating Baumeister's eighteen acre graveyard!

Herb promptly disappeared after the police left. He reappeared a few days later in Ontario, where police found him sleeping in his car. The officer on the scene noted that there was a stack of videotapes in the passenger area of the car. The next day, Herb was again found in his car, this time with a .357 magnum bullet hole in his head. The death was ruled a suicide; the tapes were nowhere to be found.

These tapes were believed by investigators to be snuff films of some of the killings. A semi-hidden video camera had been discovered strategically placed at the estate. The tapes were never recovered or accounted for. Around this same time, Baumeister's older brother was found dead in a Texas whirlpool in a case that has never been solved.

What was really going on at Fox Hollow Farms and how many people were involved? That may never be known. No one ever stood trial for the murders, and it was impossible to even estimate a victim count. Herb was declared to be solely responsible for the deaths of the four victims who could be identified, all local gay men reported missing.

These were four of at least ten local men reported missing after frequenting area gay bars over the previous three years, a fact that the police had consistently ignored. With the exception of the local gay press, the media had turned a blind eye as well. After the discovery of Herb's bone-yard, the media disparaged the victims - referring to them as "male prostitutes" - while continuing to routinely laud Baumeister as a local "businessman" and "landowner," rather than what he was - a suspected mass murderer.

It does not seem unreasonable to conclude that many of the bones found on Herb's property could have been those of children acquired from the Bureau who would not be missed and were likely never reported missing. Equally reasonable is the possibility that these children, prior to their ultimate fate as stars of kiddy snuff films, were used for child pornography and/or child prostitution.

Of course we all know that the existence of snuff films is the stuff of urban legends. But there are those persistent reports of a thriving underground market for just such films, a market that is said to include many of wealth and power. Former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp, for example, gives an appallingly detailed account of one such film in his self-published book, The Franklin Cover-Up.

Ed Sanders concludes in The Family - based on a number of witness statements - that the Manson clan was involved in the production and distribution of snuff films (as well as child pornography). Maury Terry reaches the same conclusion about the Son of Sam cult in his book The Ultimate Evil. And then there is the case of Charles Ng and Leonard Lake.

Their Northern California ranch was tailor-made for the production of snuff films, complete with a bunker containing hidden rooms with one-way viewing windows and hidden cameras. The compound also contained an incinerator for disposing of the bodies - one reason that a final body count was never achieved, though evidence indicated that as many as 25 people were killed and disposed of.

As previously mentioned, Lake's ex-wife managed to get to the compound shortly before police and remove an unknown number of videotapes from the property. Though authorities claim these tapes were later returned, there is no way of verifying that the tapes returned were the same ones that had been removed, or that all were returned.

Even so, an abundance of photographic and video evidence was found to document the reign of terror by the pair. Though the tapes stopped short of showing the actual killings (by most reports, anyway; some have claimed otherwise), many investigators were of the opinion that such tapes did, in fact, exist. For now, though, there is mostly just speculation.
There is no speculation about the existence of still photographs detailing the exploits of serial killers, however. These undeniably exist. Jeffrey Dahmer, for one, had a collection of Polaroids of his handiwork. So, for that matter, did Edmund Kemper, Bob Berdella and - as just noted - Leonard Lake. These would, I'm sure, make a nice addition to the photo album of Richard Ramirez's cousin Mike.

"It's hard for me to believe that a human being could have done what I've done, but I know that I did it." ------Jeffrey Dahmer

Part V: The Mind (Control) of a Serial Killer

July 2000

"I'm going to teach you the beauty of pain and you're going to be my slave for the rest of your life." ---Viola Lucas to her son Henry Lee

When it comes to early childhood abuse, there are few parents of future serial killers who can compare to Viola Lucas. So severe was her physical abuse of young Henry that he once slipped into a coma for a day following a particularly brutal beating. On another occasion - due to a combination of violent abuse and neglect - Henry lost one of his eyes. Sidekick Ottis Toole suffered abuse as well, at the hands of both his father and his grandmother.

Viola was, as is the case with the mothers of several serial killers, a prostitute. She routinely entertained her customers in the presence of Henry, who was compelled to watch. Viola took it one step further, however, dressing young Henry up as a girl and prostituting him out to her customers for them to indulge their depraved pedophile fantasies.

Henry's cousin, Bobby Joe Long, was likewise born the son of a prostitute, and also had to witness his mother's sexual activities throughout his childhood. Until the age of thirteen, young Bobby shared a bed with his mother. Ted Bundy's mother was also an abusive young prostitute who entertained her customers in Ted's presence. Charles Manson was likewise born the son of a teenage prostitute. He suffered abuse throughout his childhood, both at the hands of his mother and in a series of reform schools and penal institutions. From the age of eight, Manson spent the vast majority of his life institutionalized, including a stint in Boy's Town - identified in the aforementioned The Franklin Cover-Up as a hot-bed of pedophilic mind-control activities.

John Wayne Gacy's father was a violently abusive alcoholic, as was Leonard Lake's father and Richard Speck's stepfather (whose name was, strangely enough, Carl August Lindbergh). Danny Rolling's father was abusive as well, while Richard Chase's was said to be a 'strict disciplinarian.' DeSalvo's father was also violently abusive towards young Albert, as was Richard Ramirez's father. Ramirez was also the victim of severe sexual abuse, as was Arthur Shawcross - whose mother was known to rape her son with a broomstick handle. Ken Bianchi was severely abused as a child as well.

Charles Ng's father would routinely chain and beat the young boy, while both of Carol Bundy's parents were abusive. Her mother died suddenly and rather mysteriously at a very young age. Her father, who thereafter sexually abused Carol and her siblings, would later hang himself. Herb Mullin's father, decorated World War II hero Martin William Mullin, liked to entertain his son with graphic war stories, and taught the young man that violence was natural. Herb would later tell anyone who would listen that his father was a mass murderer, responsible for a number of unsolved killings. No one took Herb seriously, of course.

None of this should come as much of a surprise to most readers. That serial killers have suffered an abusive childhood has become almost a cliché. This generally acknowledged fact is mentioned here only because, as previously stated, it is a factor in identifying victims of mind control when considered in conjunction with other characteristics and experiences later in life.

In the dark and ugly nether world where serial killers and mind-control operations bisect, there appears to be two general categories of mass murderers: those who are merely controlled, and those who are both controlling and controlled. There is a third category as well that occupies the gray area between these first two - those killers who are obsessed with the notion of controlling others, but who appear to have fallen short of attaining that goal.

First on the list of what we will call 'controllers' is, of course, Charles Manson. That Charlie had an uncanny ability to control his followers is a well established fact. Yet more remarkable is that Manson has maintained that same level of control from inside a prison cell for thirty years now. In fact, it was that very control that was the sole basis for Manson's murder convictions.

The fact of the matter was that Manson did not personally participate in the Tate/LaBianca murders. He was not even present at the crime scenes when the slayings took place. He merely told his followers what to do, and they robotically followed his commands. In order to convict Manson, it was necessary for the prosecution to convince the jury that the actual killers were virtually powerless to disobey their leader. It was not enough to merely show that Charli had given the order to kill. This does not, by a long shot, constitute first-degree murder.

If I ask you, the reader, to break the law - and you comply - you are the criminal, not I. Following orders is no excuse for breaking the law, and certainly no excuse for committing mass murder (except, apparently, in the military). So in order to garner convictions against Manson, it had to be proven that this was an order that the recipients were incapable of not acting on.

For this reason, the Manson trial had no precedent in American history. What the Manson case demonstrated was that it could be proven in a court of law that a person could be compelled to act against his will. This had already been established by a Danish court in a landmark case recalled by Estabrooks in Hypnotism: "An amateur hypnotist named Nielson had induced an hypnotic subject named Hardrup to commit a murder ... Nielson, the hypnotist, got a life sentence, the maximum penalty in Denmark, whereas Hardrup, the actual murderer, received a two-year sentence on the basis of temporary insanity."

The Manson case had a slightly different outcome: both the controller and his followers received the death penalty. Legally and logically, this verdict makes no sense. For if Manson's control was so complete that the killers were powerless to resist his commands, then they should not have been held legally responsible for their actions. And if Charlie did not, in fact, wield such power, then he should not have been held responsible for the actions of others.

Bugliosi does not address this inherent contradiction in his prosecution strategy in Helter Skelter. He does ponder, albeit briefly, how Manson gained such control, concluding that this "remains the most puzzling question of all." Indeed. After spending just a few pages briefly summarizing some of the techniques Manson employed on his followers, Bugliosi surmises: "I tend to think that there is something more, some missing link that enabled him to so rape and bastardize the minds of his followers that they would go against the most ingrained of all commandments, Thou shalt not kill, and willingly, even eagerly, murder at his command."

While pondering the question of how Manson was able to exert such control, Bugliosi largely overlooks an even more important question: where did Charlie learn the techniques that he was obviously so skilled at? Bugliosi notes only that: "It may be something that he learned from others," which is, of course, only stating the obvious. The question not asked, either in the book or at trial, is: who were these others?

Another question not asked by Bugliosi, nor by any number of CIA affiliated writers who have written on the subject of mind control, is: how is it possible that a man of limited education who has spent the majority of his life in prison acquired these skills, while the intelligence agencies - which have invested countless millions of dollars employing the best and the brightest scientific minds in the country for decades in pursuit of attaining this very same goal - have allegedly met with nothing but failure. The answer is, of course, that it is not possible.

It is unfathomable that men such as Manson (and Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc.) have stumbled upon a secret that the CIA has yet to discover. It is a patently absurd notion. And yet, this is exactly what we are supposed to believe. We are also supposed to believe that Charlie, while controlling others, was himself acting on his own free will.


This is highly unlikely. If Charlie was in fact controlling the Family, the logical question to be asked at trial was: who was controlling Manson? Was Manson himself a puppet, as well as a puppeteer? This question was, naturally, never raised and so remains unanswered to this day. Perhaps Bugliosi felt this question unimportant, given that, according to his book, "The Manson case was, and remains, unique." This is also an absurd notion.

Illustrative of this is the case of Douglas Clark, the Sunset Strip killer and another controller. Clark's involvement in the intelligence community began at birth, when he was born the son of a Naval Intelligence officer (though the 'CIA' has become something of a generic term for the intelligence community, the ONI - Office of Naval Intelligence - is the oldest and quite possibly the largest and most powerful of the U.S. intelligence entities).

A decade after Doug's birth in 1948, father Franklyn - then a Lt. Commander - allegedly retired from Naval service to join the private sector, a common ploy to provide cover for ongoing intelligence activities. Shortly after, Franklyn relocated eleven-year-old Douglas and the rest of the family to an atoll in the Marshall Islands to take a 'civilian' position with the Transport Company of Texas - an obvious intelligence front.

In the early 1960's, the family returned briefly to the U.S., taking up residence in San Francisco, which was soon to become the home turf of an array of serial killers, as previously noted. The family soon relocated again, this time to India. Around this time, young Douglas began attending Ecolat, the international school in Geneva attended by the son's of UN diplomats, European and Middle Eastern Royalty, and international finance capitalists.

Following his attendance there, Doug next attended the prestigious Culver Military Academy in Indiana, while father Franklyn moved first to Venezuela and then to Australia as he continued to pursue his 'civilian' career. In 1967, Doug himself enlisted in the Air Force, where he was assigned to, not surprisingly, radio intelligence. In short order, Doug was given an early discharge, albeit under honorable conditions and with full military benefits. Clark soon after hooked up with Carol Bundy, who was - as a jury was to later note - just one of several women over whom Clark exhibited a remarkable level of control in the ensuing years.

Clark was not the only man to exert such control over Bundy. Jack Murray - who may well have been involved in at least some of the crimes attributed to the pair, and at the very least had knowledge of the murders that he chose not to act on - also exerted such control over Bundy. He would ultimately become a victim of the pair.

Clark liked to exert his control over children as well, involving an eleven-year-old neighbor girl and the son of another of his girlfriends in sexual activities, and possibly in the killings as well. Bundy's own children suffered sexual abuse at the hands of both Doug and Carol. All told, Clark had a number of women and children to do his bidding, sexually and otherwise. At least one of them eagerly killed for him as well. Clark also claimed to have Mafia connections. In fact, he described one of his early killings as his initiation into a Mafia 'hit group.' In classic Mafia fashion, the victim was found stuffed into the trunk of a Rolls Royce.

Gary Heidnik was yet another 'serial killer' who falls into the controller camp. Heidnik attended the Staunton Military Academy in Virginia, but left after visiting a psychiatrist for reasons which are unclear. He then joined the army and was sent to a West German field hospital where he was prescribed a heavy tranquilizer normally used for the treatment of severely psychotic individuals, though he was not diagnosed as having such a condition. In short order, he was sent back to the U.S., where he was released early from military service on unspecified medical grounds with a full disability pension. In 1971, Heidnik formed his own 'church,' recruiting institutionalized black women who were said to be 'retarded' (which is how Jim Jones began his 'church' as well).

Four years later, Heidnik opened a stock account - allegedly using the money from his meager military pension - which was soon valued at well over a half-million dollars. All the while, Heidnik was in-and-out of a number of mental institutions and made several suicide attempts (as did his brother; their mother succeeded in killing herself with poison). Heidnik eventually had his own mind-control program going in the basement of his house, where he kept six women chained as sex slaves. Heidnik, who was prone to race-war diatribes (a la Charlie Manson), inflicted severe torture on the captive women, resulting in the deaths of two of them, one by electrocution - a favored form of torture.

The women who were not lucky enough to survive were ground up and fed to the still-captive women to supplement the dog food they had previously been receiving. The girls were routinely forced to have sex both with each other and with Heidnik. It is unclear through all this how much control Heidnik ultimately attained over the women. When he was ultimately brought to trial, the defense specifically argued that Heidnik should not be held accountable for his actions due to LSD experiments he had been subjected to during his early 1960's military service in West Germany. The jury, which doubtless had no knowledge of the extent or nature of MK-ULTRA experiments carried out by the military/intelligence sector, discounted this argument. They did not feel that such experimentation could account for Heidnik's actions. They may well have been mistaken.

John Wayne Gacy appears to have been a controller of sorts as well. He also exhibited clear signs of having a multiple personality disorder, although he was not diagnosed as such. Gacy was a widely respected businessman, the JC's Man-of-the-Year, a great neighbor who threw parties for the whole neighborhood, and was well connected and active in Democratic Party politics, at one point meeting and being photographed with First Lady Rosalyn Carter.

On the other hand, he has the distinction of being convicted of more first-degree murder counts than any man in U.S. history. How are we to reconcile these two images of John Gacy? Men such as he are usually said to be sociopaths, lacking any morals or conscience. Their personality that is presented to the public is said to be an act, an emotionless facade. I would argue that it's just as likely, if not more so, that the public self is, in fact, a legitimate personality separate and distinct from the one that does the killing. As Detective David Hackmeister said: "His (Gacy's) personality could change in a split second." Does this represent the facade slipping, or an alter personality emerging? Or is there any difference? Is a 'sociopath' not, in fact, a person with multiple personalities?

At any rate, Gacy made a habit of surrounding himself with young boys - whether entertaining them as a clown or employing them as a contractor. One of these boys was Ripper Crew leader Robin Gecht, who would later be diagnosed as a multiple himself. His personalities included a small child, a teenager, and a businessman.

Angelo Bouno, of Hillside Strangler fame, was also likely a controller, both of partner Kenneth Bianchi and of the stable of young women and girls that surrounded him. He was known to run a teen prostitution ring, and was said to be a magnet for teenage girls, despite being not a particularly attractive man. Partner Bianchi - who fraudulently set up shop as a psychiatrist himself, renting space from a legitimate therapist - was diagnosed as MPD by as many as five psychiatrists who examined him while in custody, and was said to have frequently lapsed into trance-like states as a child.

The prosecution brought in their own expert to prove that Bianchi's multiple personality disorder was nothing but fakery, which he allegedly succeeded in doing. This might be more convincing though if the 'expert' that denounced the diagnoses had been someone other than Martin Orne, one of the most notorious of the CIA-funded 'spychiatrists' (who was assisted in this case by yet another CIA-funded psychiatrist, Margaret Singer).

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Leonard Lake and partner Charles Ng clearly had their sights set on being controllers as well, but fell short of their goals. Their master plan, which they dubbed 'Operation Miranda,' called for a network of bunkers across the country staffed with mind controlled sex slaves. Both had military connections. Lake had gone to Vietnam as a Marine, completing his first tour and beginning a second. This was cut short, however, when he was deemed to be suffering from 'unspecified medical problems.' Back in the states, he was discharged on medical grounds and entered a VA hospital for 'psychological problems.' Partner Ng was a former Marine as well, and their compound was stocked with an amazing array of weapons and military equipment, in addition to the snuff-film studio and incinerator.

Another notable wannabe was Jeffrey Dahmer. He had joined the army in 1979 but was, alas, discharged early. Jeff was obsessed with gaining control over his victims. His preferred means of doing so - and of disposing of the bodies accumulating from his failed experiments - was with chemicals, likely a skill acquired from his father, Lionel Dahmer, Ph.D.., a prominent research chemist. Dahmer was working on perfecting a home lobotomy technique, which consisted of drilling a hole in the forehead and then adding various chemicals. Other chemicals were used to dissolve the three corpses found in a 55 gallon acid vat that Dahmer inexplicably got into his apartment.

Dahmer was likely afflicted with MPD as well. He was universally described as a normal sounding, intelligent, even eloquent young man who did not appear at all menacing, yet he was also a mass murderer, cannibal and necrophile. When he was killed, spooky dad Lionel waged a macabre battle with Dahmer's mother over preserving Jeffrey's brain for study.

Yet another would-be controller was Bob Berdella, the Butcher of Kansas. Like Gacy, Berdella spent his life surrounded by young men and boys. And, again like Gacy, Berdella was quite the torture aficionado. Berdella, however, had made something of a science of the art of torture. He had designed and built his own custom torture bed, and kept a meticulously detailed log of the tortures inflicted upon his victims. These included beatings, electrocution, and the injections of a wide variety of drugs and chemicals into various parts of the body, including the injection of Drano into the throat. While awaiting trial, Berdella was held in isolation in what was described as a 'private area' of the sick bay.

Of those killers who lack the desire to control others, and seem to function purely as controlled assassins, Herb Mullin makes a good case in point. Herb was known to consume large quantities of LSD, and had "Legalize Acid" tattooed across his stomach (Manson's drug of choice for his followers and the CIA's drug of choice for MK-ULTRA projects) and was institutionalized five times in the years preceding his killing spree. One of those times was at a mental institution in Hawaii operated by the U.S. Army. He complained constantly of voices haunting his thoughts, frequently telling others that he was receiving messages.

One of the voices in his head was that of his World War II hero father, commanding him to kill. Despite all this, Mullin passed a psychological exam to enter the Marines shortly before the end of his killing spree. Shortly thereafter he was arrested, at which time he refused to talk to investigators, choosing instead to repetitively chant the word 'silence.' Following his arrest, Mullin claimed to be receiving messages instructing him to kill himself, though he refused the commands. He was diagnosed as a clear case of MPD, with his alter personalities including a Mexican laborer, an eastern philosopher, and - strangely enough - columnist Herb Caen (I couldn't possibly make this shit up).

Arthur Shawcross is another interesting case study of a controlled assassin. Born in a Naval hospital to a Naval officer father, Arthur grew up in a multigenerational family at what was dubbed 'Shawcross Corners.' As a child, he had a number of imaginary friends and spoke in strange voices. His father led a very spooky existence, with another wife and son in Australia. As a boy, Shawcross injured his legs in a fall into a river, and was subjected to brain scans and a variety of other tests that, shall we say, seem a bit odd as treatment for a leg injury. As a young adult, Shawcross was sent to Vietnam, where he apparently served as a Phoenix operative, as previously noted.

During his incarceration for the double child homicide discussed previously, he was treated by several prison psychiatrists, and also improbably began himself working as a counselor with his fellow inmates. Diagnosed as MPD, his alters included an eleven-year-old boy, a 13th century cannibal, and his own mother.

Finally we come to the case of Albert DeSalvo, who was not so much a programmed assassin as he was likely a programmed patsy. DeSalvo had served in the Army from 1948-1956, stationed for most of that time in West Germany, which is where Gary Heidnik would be subjected to MK-ULTRA experimentation some years later. There DeSalvo mastered the art of hand-to-hand combat and became a boxing champion, skills which would not benefit him when he was killed in his prison cell years later by unknown assailants (according to DeSalvo's brother, he may have been drugged the night he was killed).

DeSalvo, as previously noted, was not charged with the Strangler murders for which he is officially credited, but was rather arrested in conjunction with a string of unconnected rapes, assaults and robberies. He was sent to Bridgewater State Hospital where he fell in with a convicted murderer named George Nassar, who was alleged to have committed more than a dozen murders during a period of gang warfare in Boston.

Nassar is frequently described as a genius and a 'master manipulator.' So tight was his control over DeSalvo that Albert's own family was unable to visit him without Nassar being present. It was Nassar who first obtained a 'confession' from DeSalvo and relayed this information to his attorney, F. Lee Bailey. Bailey quickly became DeSalvo's attorney as well, procuring from him a recorded confession which was promptly turned over to police, thereby beginning the process of railroading his own client which was earlier discussed.

Aiding and abetting Bailey in this endeavor was noted CIA hypnotist William Jennings Bryan, whose 'questions' to DeSalvo while under hypnosis were loaded with detailed information about the crimes. Bryan would later be connected to two others who are widely believed to have been under the influence of mind control. One of these was Sirhan Sirhan, purported assassin of Robert Kennedy, whom Bryan was known to have 'treated.'

Oddly enough, throughout Sirhan's diaries was the name of the purported Boston Strangler written repetitively, in what appeared to be a display of a hypnotic phenomenon known as 'automatic writing.' And like other players in this sordid cast, Sirhan was reportedly connected to the Process Church of the Final Judgment.

Bryan was also linked to Candy Jones, the famous model who would tell her tale of being a mind controlled courier (and possibly assassin as well) in The Control of Candy Jones (see recommended reading list). Not long after publication of the book, Bryan was publicly linked to the Candy Jones case by journalists investigating her claims, and he soon thereafter turned up dead in a Las Vegas hotel room.

Before concluding this odyssey, a few comments are in order to address the question of why the U.S. intelligence infrastructure would deliberately create programmed serial killers, as well as creating the concept of the 'serial killer.' A couple of reasons have already been given: to cover-up the existence of Satanic crime in 20th century America, and to disguise the true motive of some contract killings. But there are a few other valuable services that serial killers provide for the state as well.

First and foremost is the rather obvious fact that serial killers scare the hell out of people. With the possible exception of school/workplace shootings, nothing better serves to facilitate the promotion of a 'law-and-order' agenda than the palpable fear aroused by the specter of the marauding serial killer, dividing the population into an every-man-for-himself mentality. Anyone, after all, could be a serial killer hiding behind a mask of civility: a co-worker, a friend, a neighbor, even a family member.

Another function that serial killers serve is in disposing of those members of society who are the most marginalized. For most serial killers, when they aren't killing for a more covert purpose, tend to target those people that Hitler termed the 'useless eaters' of society: prostitutes, runaways, junkies, and skid-row alcoholics. In a sense, serial killers are the agents of a rather harshly implemented eugenics program.

A final purpose served by the serial killer profile is that it provides a framework to set up a system of early detection and weeding out of 'violence-prone' individuals. This, of course, assumes the existence of recognizable biological causes and early warning signs. Far more likely is that the serial killer's signature skills - torture, murder, and mutilation - are ones that have been acquired through the teachings of others, and are not attributable to any sort of brain irregularities.

This series was based on a review of some of the literature that has been published on the subject of serial killers. This review was by no means exhaustive and no primary research was done to supplement the existing literature. It is hoped that others will be inspired to look more closely at the cases of individual 'serial killers,' as Maury Terry did with the Son of Sam in The Ultimate Evil and Ed Sanders did with the Manson clan in The Family.

It is my belief that a much different profile of the 'serial killer' will emerge - a profile of the controlled assassin conditioned and programmed by a variety of intelligence fronts, including military entities, psychiatric institutions and Satanic cults. For while serial killers may well be driven by their own internal demons, they are likely not demons of their own making.

It is my belief also that the Satanic underground has largely replaced the Mafia's Murder Incorporated as America's premier nationwide murder-for-hire organization. Researcher and author Michael Newton has written precisely that, in Raising Hell (Avon, 1993). He states that the 'Black Cross,' a faction of the Four-P cult (which is itself a faction of the Process Church), functions specifically as a "Satanic Murder, Inc."

Consider the case of Thomas Creech of Idaho, who in 1975 admitted to performing contract killings over an eight year span on behalf of a national biker gang heavily involved in drug trafficking and cult rituals. Creech claimed that his forty-two killings earned him only eighth place among the gang's contract killers, and that many of them had been performed as 'ritual human sacrifices.'

Or consider the case of Bernard Hunwick of Dade County, Florida. Upon his arrest for a series of murders in 1981, he confessed to authorities that he was the leader of a "hit squad" that had committed at least a hundred additional contract killings. Are these merely men suffering from delusions of grandeur? Or are they men who have given the country a peek into a world that few dare to imagine exists in modern-day America?

"... a Mephistophelean guru who had the unique power to persuade others to murder for him, most of them young girls who went out and savagely murdered total strangers at his command ..." ----Vincent Bugliosi describing Charles Manson


"You don't understand me. You are not expected to. You are not capable of it. I am beyond good and evil. Legions of the night, night breed, repeat not the errors of the Night Prowler and show no mercy."
Richard "The Night Stalker" Ramirez

"There are other 'Sons' out there - God help the world."
David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz

"What about your children? You say there are just a few? There are many, many more, coming in the same direction. They are running in the streets - and they are coming right at you!"
Charles Milles Manson

http://www.whale.to/b/henry.html

freeman
09-07-2005, 12:15 PM
Absolutely fascinating expose', TB. Some comments after reading it:

1) The connection the author makes between L. Ron Hubbard and the OTO/Church of Satan is one that I have suspected for a long time, but was never able to connect on my own. No wonder so many of the Hollywood elites are being indoctrianted into Scientology. Much less conspicuous than outright Satanism such as that espoused by Sammy Davis, Jr. or Roseanne and Madonna with their Kabbala sexcapades.

2)The headqauarters of the Process Church are mentioned as being in New Orleans -- anyone thinking what I'm thinking? As more and more of this MK Ultra/Satanic mind control material begins to surface, one has to suspect an effort to cover up and destroy incriminating records. Sounds a little farfetched, I know, but the Illuminati often have a multiple agenda for actions they take.

3)
Besides the killers listed here who have exhibited an overt interest in Satanism, it is tempting to conclude that any murder that includes such elements as cannibalism, ritual mutilation and necrophilia is Satanically inspired. To do so, however, would reek of Christian fundamentalism with its desire to cast all such evil as the work of the Devil.

We will refrain from doing so here. We will also pause here to note that your erstwhile reporter is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Christian fundamentalist. In fact, he is not a Christian at all, but rather an atheist. He does not believe in God or Satan, though he does believe that both are concepts that are used by the powerful few to promote an agenda.
He also does not believe that those who are at the top of the food chain on either side of the aisle believe in God or Satan, for that matter. They merely exploit the belief systems of their followers to serve their own ends. The main point here is that readers should not conclude that the actions of these killers is influenced or directed by an entity known as Satan, but by mortal men who manipulate the belief systems of others. I'm glad we cleared that up, but once again I digress.

Funny. I would have phrased it the same way five years ago when my own search started...give the author another five years and we'll see if he can retain the same degree of spiritual detachment...BWAHAHAHHA!:-D
...However I must confess to using a similar line of secular reasoning when attempting to explain this stuff to non-believers.

4)
What is needed is a subject suffering from what used to be termed Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), and what is now termed Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). This condition can already exist within the subject or can be created by the therapist. In all cases, however, the condition is created by severe trauma - so severe in fact that the traumatic episode cannot be integrated into the experiences of the core personality.

Exactly the scenario described by Springmeier in his work on MK Ultra mind control victims. Multiple personalities are deliberately induced, not a genetic condition of the individuals in question.

5) The preferentidal treatment afforded these killers by police and prison guards is obviously related to a common bond: Freemasonry. The author fails to mention that the Process Church is part of the OTO branch of New Age Freemasonry. Manson even made a mockery of displaying Freemasonic signs openly during his trial. Obviously, not all members of law enforcement are practicing Satanists, but their Masonic oaths bind them to bestow favoritism on "brethren", even when those brethren are involved in heinous crimes. This is the primary tool utilized by the elites to "put in the fix" in any given situation.

Once again, an excellent and thrououghly well-researched piece. Thanks for posting.

09-07-2005, 01:13 PM
MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION OF THE GROUP THAT HAS NO NAME. PART I
MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION OF THE GROUP THAT HAS NO NAME. PART I




Subject: JFK Hit Part of 50-yr Covert War
From: an166618@anon.penet.fi
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:38:56 UTC
Message-ID: <194304Z23021995@anon.penet.fi>





MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION OF THE GROUP THAT
HAS NO NAME. PART I




[This was originally posted in three parts. I have added two parts at the end consisting of lists of generals, politicians, heads of state and royal families, bankers, DEA, & TV execs
identified by my source as possibly associated with this GROUP. I have added them because I am concerned about whether I will be able to send them via the anonymous server much longer. Someone seems to be deleting from
alt.conspiracy the brief list those suspected of taking and concealing the WWII looted Allied gold I had added to revised Part II in my 1/24/95 posting there. Now it has escalated to removal of alt.conspiracy from the server entirely. Here is what happened: Shortly after the 1/24 posting I received E-mail that Part II disappeared entirely from alt.conspiracy. I re-posted Part II on 2/4/95. I then
received another request for the missing Part II on 2/16 and tried to repost the entire 3-part article. That posting was rejected because alt.conspiracy had been surreptitiously removed from the anon.penet.fi server by someone unknown
to the administrator. On 2/20 I received a message from the
administrator of anon.penet.fi that "someone is very keen on
having [this] newsgroup removed. It has been added twice
and twice someone has sent a rm group message to it. It
was added once again. I don't know how long this will last."
That is when I decided to post this fuller account with the
appendix of names identified by my source.]


Copyright 1994. Anonymous.


Redistribution rights granted for non-commercial purposes
only, including Internet discussion/reproduction.


CONTENTS:


Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Pt
I

1. The Covert War. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Pt I
2. The Origin of the Group . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Pt I
3. Current Organization & Goals for New World Order Pt I
4. The Group's Operations Since WWII . . . . . . . Pt I
4a. Gen. Gehlen's American Operation . . . . . . . Pt.I
5. The Group's Funding; W.W.II looted European gold;
Congressional Payoffs . . . . . . . . . . . Pt I-II
6. The Systematic Destruction of American Society . Pt II
6a. Apparent Motives for the Assassinations of
JFK, RFK and MLK . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt II
7. The Coming Chaos . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt II
(a) Disease [AIDS & other viruses] . . . . . . . Pt II
(b) Media Violence/Trivia Blitz . . . . . . . . . Pt II-III
(c) CRIME . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt II
(d) DRUGS, a CIA/Mafia Operation . . . . . . . . Pt III
(e) ECONOMIC DEPRESSION . . . . . . . . . . Pt III
(f) CIVIL/RACE WAR; THE MILITARY; THE
ASSASSINATION LIST . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt III
8. My Accidental Discovery of the Group in the Mid-
1980's; Mind Control Techniques . . . . . . . . . Pt III
9. MK ULTRA & TRAINING OF UNCONSCIOUS
ASSASSINS [aka 'U-Boats,' Including Oswald,
Sirhan, possibly Ray & Many Others Like Them . Pt III
9a. "Random" killers & shooters may be MK ULTRA
Assins . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt III
10. Nuclear Blackmail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pt III
CONCLUSION - Contact Procedure . . . . . . . . . Pt III
APPENDIX: Partial List of Names Identified by My
Source, 1986-1994[Politicians, Royal families,
heads of state worldwide & bankers] . . . . . Pt. IV
APPENDIX, Cont'd: Fed. Reserve chiefs, DEA, Military
abroad & U.S.A. by branch of service, & TV]. . Pt. V

INTRODUCTION: The JFK assassination involved a much
bigger conspiracy than Cuba or the Mob of the CIA or all 3
put together. It was planned, run and covered up by an
international Group that has no name. I'm in the process of
completing an investigation and expose on that Group's
activities that I began in the early '80s. This started when I
encountered evidence of torture and mind control techniques
among workers at a plant I did work for in the late '70s.


POSTING THIS TO GET CONFIRMATION OF FINDINGS:
I'm posting this because I would like confirmation of those
portions that can be corroborated before I complete the work.
I do not seek to chat about it and I do not want anyone's
approval or disapproval of the events or ideas. Unless you
have been involved in it or are some sort of spook it's all
going to sound very strange. I'm sending this message to
people who are or have been involved, but may not know just
what they have gotten into. Some of the readers of this
piece are going to recognize the small roles they have
wittingly or unwittingly played in bringing the nightmare I'm
about to briefly sketch to its current status --just a few short
years from reality. I am addressing you and only you in this
piece. Based on the following very, very brief summary of a
huge file on this subject, it seems apparent to me that you
have each played a witting or unwitting role in treason.
Those of you who think you have been serving a "better
cause" should heed these words and THINK about what you
have been doing to your country. For those readers who
think mysterious forces are sending radio waves into their
heads and bodies, or the like, please don't send responses or
messages to me. On the other hand, if you've had
flashbacks to violent events that you can't understand; if
you recall your hands doing things that you didn't control; if
you've awakened in a hotel room not knowing how you got
there, read a newspaper story about a dead general or
Congressman, recognized the picture and wondered if you
were the one who did it; or if the phrase "remember to forget"
has a great significance to you, you may want to read on &
consider contacting me.


CONTACT TO BE ANONYMOUS ON BOTH SIDES: If you
wish to reply in a fairly secure procedure, see last section of
Part IV for PGP procedure.


MY INVESTIGATION - BRIEF OVERVIEW: In 1983 I
undertook to determine the reason for and the people
responsible for the torture and behavior conditioning at the
factory. Since then the investigation has broadened step-by-
step into a much, much larger investigation. I cannot
possibly recap the full story here. The initial course of the
investigation has required over 400 pages of draft to
adequately explain. So let it suffice to say that within the first
18 months I obtained identifications [photograph] from two
independent witnesses of the principal torturer as Dr. Joseph
Mengele. The same witnesses later identified [photograph]
the man who was directing Mengele's activities as a person
who was at one time the Director of the CIA. Another key
player in the Group's activities in Vietnam, the RFK hit,
Watergate and various assassinations of American military
and civilian leaders was one of that Director's highly-placed
subordinates, who only recently left CIA. This second CIA
leader will be referred to in this piece by the same code
name he used with my informant: Mr. Halloran.


MY SOURCES & THE GROUP WITHOUT A NAME: My
primary sources for the mind control comments are in-depth,
videotaped interrogations in awake states, as well as under
deep hypnosis in conjunction with two hypnosis experts [one
of whom has served as president of one of the internationally
- recognized bodies in the field] of three witnesses. My
primary source for the comments on the Group, its plans,
goals, methods and history is one of the three above
witnesses who appears to have been the illegitimate son of
Gen. Reinhard Gehlen resulting from the general's
participation in the lebensborn program in 1942-43. He
informs me that lebensborn continued well into the '70s,
seemingly headquartered in Frankfurt.A significant part of the
following account and the individuals mentioned in it is based
on my informant's conversations with the man who appears
to have been his father, Gen. Gehlen, in various parts of the
Northeast & in Langley beginning in about 1953; briefings
held by various spokesmen but mostly by the former CIA
Director at the NY offices of a well-known Foundation, which
appears to be the American "host" for the Group; and a list of
the Group's members and agents that my informant was
instructed to memorize during the period 1975-1987 in
preparation for his intended role in the Group. In many cases
it is not known whether the individuals' names were listed
because they are "players" or because they have been
coerced into cooperation through blackmail or economic
means or are associates of real "players" who can control the
named individuals. Thousands of names have been
identified from virtually all walks of life, including such
unexpected groups as the Nobel Committee, Vatican City
and a few past leaders of the State of Israel. My informant
states that over the years only a very, very few of the many
thousands on the list have known the real plan and the real
goals.


1.THE COVERT WAR: A covert war has been
waged against the people of this country and other countries
for over 50 years. Some casualties of that war are people
whose deaths are already suspect, but no one can quite put
their finger on the real motive. John F. Kennedy, Bobby
Kennedy, Martin Luther King. JFK by 4 marksmen, of which
2-3 actually got off shots, one of whom was a well-known
French contract assassin headquartered in Madrid. An assist
on the job goes to an Oswald "double" supplied by the KGB
section headed in 1963 by a very high-ranking recent leader
of USSR. The "double" killed Officer Tippit in plain view for
no reason other than to implicate Oswald. RFK, by a security
guard and Sirhan, Sirhan [who was conditioned to kill and to
forget both the kill and his control]. King, by someone
unknown to us, but my source worked with "Raul" [also used
over 10 other code names] at CIA from 1967-83. "Raul's"
expertise for CIA was the perfect "set-up" of innocent people
in crimes. The MLK hit was the first and only time he did a
set up in a political assassination. The whole Warren
Commission seems to have been fixed, beginning with
Warren and 3 other members of the Commission, all of
whom my informant identified as agents of the Group. Every
witness who could shed light on the Kennedy murders has
been systematically hunted down and murdered. [I seek
information from those who were in it. I believe I already
know one who was. You might know something about it if
you recognize the code name Blackhawk. If so, think about
it.] Other victims of assassination by the Group whose
names will be recognized include Franklin D. Roosevelt,
Marilyn Monroe, Mahatma Gandhi, Anwar Sadat & Olof
Palme. There have been many thousands more.


2. THE ORIGIN OF THE GROUP: The precursor of
the subversive Group seems to have been formed in the first
quarter of the century, we think in connection with the
formation of the Federal Reserve. At first it appears to have
been little more than a group of the world's leading
investment and merchant bankers seeking world-wide control
of money supply. But by about 1932 it developed into a
scheme for a New World Order, in which there would be total
control of human behavior by a world government. They
sponsored Hitler through two of their most important German
members: Paul von Hindenburg and Franz von Papen. By
the 1930s the key players seem to have included Hess[who
flew to England in 1941 ONLY because he was "blown"] and
then Bormann in the Nazi government; Schroeder and the
ENTIRE Reichsbank sr. officer list in German banking; most
of the major merchant banking houses in London, some of
the key banks in NY, Sweden, France, Switzerland &
Netherlands, along with the Bank for Int'l Settlements
[infamous for its crediting the Nazis with ownership of the
looted Austrian, Czech, Belgian and Netherlands
gold]; the monarchs of England, Italy, Spain, Portugal,
Austria [the Archduke], Hungary [Regent], & Japan; and
some of the key men in the Fall of France, like Viscount Gort
and Admiral Forbes; and two American generals who none of
you would believe.




3. CURRENT ORGANIZATION & GOALS FOR THE NEW
WORLD ORDER: Today the Group consists of international
bankers [the same core of NY, London, Swiss and German
merchant bankers, but now expanded to the largest banks in
many other parts of the world, notably Japan and in the
Middle East], kings, at least one queen, princes, industrialists
[among the world's top 100 CEOs +/or Chairmen a heavy
concentration in autos], Army, Navy, Air Force, & Marine
Corps generals, State Department section chiefs, Mafia
chiefs, drug lords, elected officials, judges at all levels, many
media owners, a host of leading lawyers, and many others.
The leadership of the Group comes from its European parent
organization, consisting of many of Europe's key bankers,
industrialists, & politicians. They want to impose on this
planet a centralized world oligarchy -- not a democracy --
akin to a fascist state in which there will be genocide
on a massive scale, total state control over all aspects of
human behavior and communication and control of the
human mind and spirit through manipulation of the world's
major religions, genetic engineering, drugs, tightly-controlled
media and by other means. There will be death camps in
which "undesirable" races, the old and infirm, and those
without "social utility" will be exterminated without a trace.
The institution of state-sanctioned slavery will be re-
established. There will no longer be families as we know the
institution. There will be a master race in charge of all this
power -- the Aryan race, augmented by advanced genetics,
and bred for superior characteristics. Their target date is the
coming second millennium, the year 2000. If you want
details of their plan, with an approximate day-to-day blueprint
of life under the new regime, read Brave New World. Huxley
apparently knew about the plan from his brother.


4. THE GROUP'S OPERATIONS SINCE W.W.II: When
their man, Hitler, went out of control they drugged him into
oblivion and implemented the death camp 'model' under
Bormann. Early in W.W.II there was a conference hosted by
King George in the English countryside at which
representatives from all walks of life from all over agreed on
a plan to undermine and overthrow the US and Russian
states. Representatives of all the monarchies mentioned
above attended. At the end of W.W.II Gen. Gehlen ran
two operations in Spring, 1945 for them: the assassination of
FDR using a chemical that caused the cerebral hemorrhage
and immediate death and the elimination of Hitler with a
bullet from Bormann's gun [without Hitler's 'consent'] FDR's
offense was that he refused to approve their cover agency,
the CIA. [Not the agent level generally. The liaison and
intermediate levels with some key men at the top levels,
particularly in Covert Ops.]


4a. GEN. GEHLEN'S AMERICAN OPERATION: Gehlen
ran the American, as well as the European "security"
operations until his death in '79. Their "assassination"
techniques for those who get in the way begin with character
assassination. When that fails, they train and finance real
assassins who generally do not use bullets these days. The
favored methods are carefully tailored to the victims' medical
files to make death look "natural" through barely- detectable
chemicals that artificially cause heart attacks, cerebral
hemorrhages, Alzheimer disease, leukemia, & brain tumors.


5. THE GROUP'S FUNDING; CONGRESSIONAL
PAYOFFS: During W.W.II the Group arranged through the
German war machine and von Ribbentrop's "diplomacy" to
loot the treasuries of Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, The
Netherlands, other states and the gold and jewels once
owned by murdered Jews. Gehlen oversaw the "Odesa"
operation in about 1942-45 in which most of the bullion,
stolen art, and the Jews' gold was shipped by various means
to Argentina. The missing gold alone, in PRE-1939
DOLLARS, was worth $600 million. [Go look up what pre-'39
$ are worth. Multiply it out.]




[Draft continues in Part II]


Anonymous





Index

09-07-2005, 01:29 PM
MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION OF THE GROUP THAT
HAS NO NAME. PART II


Copyright 1994. Anonymous.

Redistribution rights granted for non-commercial purposes only.


[POST SCRIPT, 1/21/95: The "Odesa" gold and jems is a
subject I have only recently addressed in our continuing
processof identifying the names my source memorized [I
suspect the knowledge of the names was a gift from his
father, the general - a sort of insurance policy] Since mid-
November I have sent him lists of about 1,000 names of
bankers, politicians and minor and major German and
American intelligence agents who might have been involved
in the operation. He tells me that the gold was at first all in
Argentina, subject to an agreement with the ruling powers
there, but later part was moved elsewhere in South America.
I list below some of the names he identified from the 1939-45 =
era, as well as in the postwar years. Bear in mind that these
names were mixed with insignificant ones and I gave my
source not a clue as to who any of them were. See APPENDIX
[Parts IV-V] for caveats. Some of my source's identifications on
this subject were as follows:


There are certainly other bankers in other South American
countries involved in this thing. Outside Argentina my source's
id's centered on Sao Paulo, Bobota and Caracas, but I think
Venezuela is the best guess as the site of the second gold
cache. That is based on my source's identification of Becker's
photo as the man he met in Caracas shortly after Gehlen's death
in 1979.


Since the "Odesa" Operation the Group has used the bullion
cache as credit for its operations, including economic warfare
against the US It remained in Argentina at least until both of the
Perons were in power. Bormann was one of the Nazis who
controlled access to it in Argentina, but I suspect that Becker
played a big role.


In addition, a good part of the funding over the years
has come from large-scale diversions of funds from all major
treasuries in the western world. I believe the principal method
involves diverting cash credits for funds coming into the
government through the Group's control of central banks like the
Federal Reserve & apparent subversion of agency accounting
chiefs. Within the past week my informant reviewed a group of
names associated with the enactment of the Federal Reserve
Act in 1913. They were interspersed with many other names
from other fields. He identified the name Nelson Aldrich, the
senator know as J. P. Morgan's "floor broker" in the US Senate
who authored and manipulated through Congress the Federal
Reserve Act of 1913. My informant has also identified the
names of several of the top men in IRS and Treasury FMS. The
"skim" appears to be about .5% of all incoming funds. My
informant states that a significant portion of the diverted funds
go to campaign funds for members of Congress as "protection"
or the like. So there is no one in the Government who has much
interest in looking into this diversion. Even those in Congress
who are "clean" are typically co-opted by promises of more
power or are just squelched.


6. THE SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF THE AMERICAN
SOCIETY: This has been a carefully-planned fifty-year war.
The late 40s and 50s were spent putting their agents in place
and rebuilding their main clients' European industrial base - with
American money. The initial steps in the American overthrow
occurred in the 1960's through several of the Group's most
critical agents--Earl Warren and LBJ, with assists from J. Edgar
Hoover and others. [Chief Justice Warren, unlike LBJ, was an
unwillingagent. The Group forced Warren to participate in the
JFK cover- up and the Group's plan to alter the social structure
of US because they "had something on him."] One of the first
things the Group did to protect its own covert operation was one
of Gen. Gehlen's specialties in WWII Nazi intelligence--divert
attention to the "Red menace." There is also a pattern of
identifications by my informant of petitioners and/or their chief
lawyers in a series of Supreme Court cases in the 1950s and
1960s that made it impossible for the Fed or state governments
to conduct thorough investigations into subversive
organizations. While I applaud the civil liberties aspects, I
suspect that this was only 'window dressing' for the true
purpose.


What the Group wanted by the time of the "incubation
period" [1995-2000] was a society that was uneducated, amoral,
uncommitted to democratic institutions, living in fear, with a
sudden and very drastic reduction in spendable income
simultaneous with societal chaos. The Group thought that this
would produce the environment for rejection of the democratic
form of government that they seek by 2000. In the 1960s the
Group's agents started the process of eliminating religious and
moral ideals from American life, particularly in the schools [& in
that regard go back & read the dissents in the Supreme Court
cases, accurately stating that the Founding Fathers would turn
over in their graves to learn that what they wrote in Philadelphia
in the 1780s outlaws prayer in schools], removed as many
impediments to criminality as they could get away with,
dramatically increased media [TV] portrayal of violence and
joblessness [role models have no jobs, bad guys live in big
houses, etc.; begin your reading with The Early Window,
by Liebert & Sprafkin], reduced the standards of education and
early training for rational thought [see Endangered Minds for a =


partial account] and fostered every possible dislocation in family
structure they could engineer, beginning with LBJ's welfare
policies. Hunderds of other, later, events have reinforced the
program [e.g., the "voluntary" abolition of the old Civil Service
test in the Carter Administration].


6a. APPARENT MOTIVES FOR THE ASSASSINATIONS OF
JFK, RFK and MLK: My research and the resulting identification
and interrogation process convinced me that all of their plans for
social disintegration in the US started in the 1960s. The Group's
man, Lyndon Johnson, was ready & willing to give them the
policies they wanted. Warren's work on constitutional
precedents was well under way. On the other hand, the
Kennedy brothers had reneged on a deal their father had made
with the Group and got in the Group's way at this most critical
period. My informant says there were many reasons for the hit
[JFK was going after their main covert apparatus when he
threatened to "dismember" CIA; he was talking about making
their bank, the Federal Reserve, part of the US Government,
instead of a private bank; he threatened huge profits of (a) their
client merchant bankers and owners of Fed Class A stock when
he issued Exec Order authorizing silver-backed U.S. Notes as
legal tender and (b) their client industrialists when he resisted
full-scale war in Vietnam; & resisted their push to create a
disunited & Government-dependent black population]
But the reason for the immediacy of the hit was that the Group
wanted Bobby dead a lot more than they wanted JFK [Bobby
had stumbled into the Group in the Civil Rights movement and
had a very quiet investigation under way. He was putting cases
together on one of their most important allies--the Mob.] The
only way to get to Bobby was to kill JFK. When Bobby
announced his candidacy he "signed his own death warrant."
The training of the assassins was closely connected with Berlin,
East and West both. The RFK hit was planned and run from
Vietnam. MLK was hit at least partly as a result of a deal made
by J. Edgar Hoover with the Group. In exchange for his
cooperation in the JFK cover-up, Hoover insisted that they
arrange for the death of King. The Group agreed because they
feared MLK would unite the black population. Oswald was
never supposed to survive. Ruby worked for the Carlos
Marcello organization and the Oswald hit was Marcello's hit.
Ruby was killed before he could open his mouth at the 2d trial
by use of one of the artificial 'heart attack' chemicals. My
informant overheard a conversation about it between the former
Director, CIA mentioned above and another man in which both
were laughing about the Ruby hit.


7. THE COMING CHAOS: The plan is to unleash elemental
forces of chaos that transcend government philosophy. The
primitive mandate for political/social structure seems to be
protection of the person from crime and disease, protection of
property, a system of justice to enforce those protections, and
organization for economic gain. All these refinements we've
developed - democracy, fascism, communism, monarchy -
come after the primitive mandates have been met. The theory
is that if you remove enough of those basic protections the
government will fall because it is not performing the more
important, elementary functions. This subject is an enormous
one which I could not begin to describe in such a short piece as
this. The reader will have to fill in the blanks left by the
following examples:


(a) DISEASE: The Group developed the AIDS virus
principally at Albert Ludwigs University in Freiburg im Brisgau.
[By "developed" my source means he attended briefings in the
1970s at which the Group's biological warfare directors
discussed their progress mass-producing the virus from sources
they had where the virus existed. Dr. Strecker and the London
Times [5/11/87] suspected that the epidemic was man-made
and connected with the World Health Organization's smallpox
eradication program in Africa. I don't think the Group had to
artificially produce it. Rather, they developed what was already
there. [My source identified the names of a senior member of
the Global Commission in 1979, who handled at least Ethiopia
and Somalia, and WHO representatives for Central Africa,
where the AIDS virus is taking the largest toll, and for Western
Africa]. In the US it seems the initial dissemination may have
been during the 1978-79 hepatitis B vaccine experiments among
homosexuals in NY, SF, Chi, etc. [The identifications in this are
very slim. My source identified the name of one member of the
NY City team. I could not obtain the names of the team
members for S.F. or other cities.] The Group chose
homosexuals for the US operation because they believed that
few would care what happened to them and hoped the disease
would spread throughout the country before anyone realized that
it would kill ANYONE - not just gays. During the "incubation
period" [1995-2000] the Group plans to introduce new diseases
that will be "far more aggressive, far more vicious" than AIDS.


(b) MEDIA VIOLENCE/TRIVIA BLITZ: "Monkey see.
Monkey do." There is a subconscious inclination in all of us to
imitate what we see around us. Some of us can't control the
inclination. Therefore, a certain % of ten-year-olds subjected to
nearly constant, random depiction of violence will probably be
unable to resist violent solutions to life's problems. Literally
hundreds of scientific studies since 1960 have shown that TV
violence produces violent inclinations in a significant segment of
children. Sen. Thomas Dodd was grilling TV execs about this in
the early 60s. One of Dodd's main targets in 1964 was an NBC
exec whose name has been identified by my source. In the late
Fall of 1965 Dodd received funding from the Senate for
additional 1966 hearings on the issue. Within less than two
MONTHS, in January, 1966, the Group arranged for Dodd to be
accused of taking money for political favors from one of its
agents, Julius Klein. By 1967 Dodd was censured by the
Senate, based on Klein's allegedly false accusations. Dodd was
powerless to continue the grilling of the NBC exec or anyone
else. According to my source Dodd has since been used as "an
example" to restrain the actions of other politicians who have
sought to curb violence in TV.

[Draft continues in Part III]

Index

Anonymous

09-07-2005, 01:36 PM
MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION OF THE GROUP THAT
HAS NO NAME. PART III


Copyright 1994. Anonymous.
Redistribution rights granted for non-commercial purposes only.


MEDIA/TRIVIA BLITZ [Continued from Part II]


The Group's prime targets have been the children who are going
to be entering college and thebusiness world between 1990 and
2000. They have been programming them for random violence
since the early '60s. Another aspect of their propaganda cam-
paign has been to trivialize real events and history to eliminate
rational discussion of meaningful topics. The propoganda thrust
is enourmous, all-encompassing, and the most dangerous of all
their efforts. Their original mentor was Dr. Joseph Goebbels.
He knew exactly what he was doing and his successors know
even more. This is a too big for me to cover fully here. The
best I can do is cite examples in the lists of names identified by
my source from the television industry shown at the end of Part
V. My source has also identified chairmen, president or senior
managing directors of the five largest record companies.


(c) CRIME: The Group's people in the legal world have
pushed the criminals' rights concepts formulated by the Earl
Warren court in the '60s to extreme limits. My informant has
identified the names of at least one federal judge in each district
in the US. A large portion of the council that drafted the Model
Penal Code in 1962 were also identified. On the other side of
the fence, the covert agents at the Group's disposal operate
routine, nearly- daily "set-ups" against innocent people for no
reason other than to destroy the people's confidence in our
system of justice.



(d) DRUGS, a CIA/MAFIA OPERATION: Crime
and illegal drugs go hand-in-hand. Drug traffic has been
fostered under the covert aegis of the Group's massive
apparatus within the CIA since at least Vietnam. My informant
states that "Mr. Halloran" as a "contract" CIA operative in Saigon
was running hard drugs from Laos and Cambodia to Bien Hoa
to the US aboard military aircraft for use on American streets. It
went on for years and is probably still going on, but now from
other points of origin. There are alliances between the Group's
agents in CIA and the military and drug lords in South America.
My informant identified the names of most DEA agents-in-
charge of major US offices & many US Coast Guard and Navy
officers on drug interdiction duty.


(e ) ECONOMIC DEPRESSION: The plan is for there to
be a disastrous [but short-lived] depression, precipitated by a
stock crash. The Group's members in the financial community
certainly have the muscle to do it. My informant has identified
[current = 1994] either the presidents or chairmen of five of the
six largest banks in NYC, many of the key officials in the NY
Federal Reserve, most of the major London merchant banks,
four of the largest German banks, and five of the 11 largest US
stock brokerage firms.


(f) CIVIL/RACE WAR; THE MILITARY; THE
ASSASSINATION LIST: The Group's plan is to covertly foster
and finance a civil war on race lines through their agents in
black and Hispanic ghettoes in major cities. Once they are
successful in gun control legislation the Group will arm the
minority insurgents with attack weapons to be used against
essentially weapon-less minority and non-minority individuals.
The local police departments will be out-gunned. The military
will be called in, but will be unable to control the situation due to
an artificial "breakdown in the chain of command." [The
percentage of senior US Army, Navy and Air Force general
officers -- brigadier general through general, rear admiral
through admiral -- identified by my informant has been
astoundingly high. The rate of identification among generals
and admirals in the military is equaled in only two other
organizations: the State Department and the Council on Foreign
Relations.] In the midst of the societal chaos, after the war
begins, the Group will conduct systematic assassinations of key
American civilian and ilitary leaders who have not supported the
Group's policies or its key agents. That list is referred to by my
main informant and by the woman I first interviewed in 1983-84
as "all the king's men." The civil war fostered covertly by the
Group will frighten "middle America" into adoption of the Group's
government. After the year 2000 the civil war will be used by
the Group as the excuse for genocide against the black and
Hispanic races. The genocide of the black races will be global.
There are also large-scale genocide plans for Hispanics and
Chinese. Literally hundreds of smaller races also targeted. This
will take place over a much longer period than their German
experiment in WWII.


8. MY ACCIDENTAL DISCOVERY OF THE GROUP IN THE
MID-1980s; MIND CONTROL TECHNIQUES: I encountered the
Group as a result of a personal investigation into a very strange
series of deaths and bizarre behavior changes I observed
among my acquaintances in a chemical factory that produced
raw materials for plastics manufacture. All I knew at the start
was that about 50 [now 100] employees had died of leukemia,
aplastic anemia, various forms of cancer, and other illnesses
that fit with only two possible causes: long-term exposure to
benzene or to low-level radiation. The pattern included a series
of sudden, unexpected heart attacks among spouses of dead or
dying workers who [the spouses] asked questions about the
cause of their husbands' deaths. Since the plant supposedly
had no radioactive materials, I litigated a large-scale case on the
assumption that the only possible cause was benzene. About 3
years after the case was over [I won it.], a series of employees
there began exhibiting bizarre behavior changes. One of them
privately confided in me and her confidences caused me to
open a very private, personal investigation. I determined that
this woman and a second female employee had been subjected
to some form of trauma under hypnosis by several men
connected with the plant's medical staff. Both men had
participated in what seemed a Nazi group called Order of the
Fourth Reich. Both of the women were interrogated under
hypnosis by the experts referred to earlier, under my direction.
During the first 18 months of interrogations we learned that a
form of "mind control" was used on the women and MANY
other plant employees, as well as on my main [male] informant
to conceal the covert manufacture of an illicit product at that
factory. [Described in a later section.] The Group's agents used
a "mind control" method that concealed their observations and
memories of its production from THEMSELVES. Here is how it
worked: Employees' trust was gained by the Group's agents in
the plant medical department. When the employees were called
in for medical exams or given medication by the plant physician
and some of his staff, the employees were instructed in methods
they were to use to forget events they had observed at the plant.
The employees were taught to "remember to forget" incidents
that the Group's agents did not want them to recall. In some
cases these instructions were accompanied by physical torture
under drugged hypnosis until the employee complied with the
instructions. The subject is highly technical, but the end result
was the concealment of a witness's memory from the witness's
own consciousness, except in a hypnotic state.


9. MK ULTRA & TRAINING OF UNCONSCIOUS ASSASSINS
ALSO KNOWN AS 'U-BOATS' INCLUDING OSWALD,
SIRHAN, possibly RAY, & MANY OTHERS LIKE THEM: The
subject cannot possibly treated in the short space I have here.
Bare bones: The MK ULTRA experiments & predecessors in the
'50s and '60s {traced in John Marks' book Search for
Manchurian Candidate] resulted in a long-term, successful
procedure for producing 'unconscious' assassins. My informant
has identified most of the key players in MK ULTRA as being on
the list referred to above, including Alden Sears, Sid Gottleib,
Richard Helms, Allen Dulles & several others. The procedure
was used in both Kennedy deaths, I am informed. The
procedure is: Victims are drugged into regression to early
childhood. They are subjected to incredible pain, many expiring
in the process. The natural response to the levels of pain Dr.
Mengele had perfected was dissociation of the conscious mind.
In that state they were given new, German names and trained
as one would train a killer guard dog. They kill on command.
They are artificially-produced "multiple" personalities. One of
the top people in their development appears to have been
Sirhan Sirhan's psychiatrist, Dr. Diamond. There were other
prominent psych folks in on it. They have no memory of the kill,
except when prompted by the proper stimuli. Mengele told my
informant that he personally did the training on Oswald. Location
unknown, but we suspect Mexico City in Summer, 1963. CIA
gave Marks [Search for Manchurian Candidate] what appears to
be a real hokey, perhaps forged or fabricated, "field report" for
the initial field test of an unconscious assassin in Mexico City in
July, 1963 [see Marks' book, p. 190]. I suspect that if someone
can get that file and bust a few balls, they'll find the memo given
to Marks in his FOIA litigation was a substitute for one that
named Oswald and depicted a successful "experiment." The
likely control of the project we suspect to have been Gehlen, but
the CIA Director mentioned above may have also played a
major role. Oswald was trained as a "patsy" only. He fired no
shots. Sirhan was given the full course. His back-up was a man
posing as a guard. Ray had the Oswald-type training.


9a. "RANDOM" KILLERS & SHOOTERS MAY BE MK ULTRA
ASSASSINS: We also suspect that many of the "random"
shooters [McDonald's in CA, L.I.R.R. incident, the White House
shootings] have been trained by them. Part of the effort we
believe to be a campaign to achieve complete gun control &
abolition at civilian levels before the civil war. Part of the effort
has always been to cover the REAL assassinations as if they
were be "lone gunmen." They tend to kill the trainees during or
immediately after the mission or make sure they die or they hire
lawyers/ psychiatrists [e.g., Diamond - Sirhan] for them who
actually work for the Group -- to make sure the "unconscious"
assassins never "spill the beans" to the Government.


10. NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL: I have given all my material to the
Justice Department, as I have developed it. You ask: Why
have they done nothing? I answer: Nuclear blackmail from
more than one source. The plant of which I have spoken
covertly produced the final component for a form of nuclear
"plastique" explosive. The Silkwood case is involved in it.
Silkwood saw someone burning something and they thought she
knew they had siphoned away weapons-grade plutonium. The
Apollo, PA missing plutonium scandal was also involved. The
plutonium was shipped by military or diplomatic "pouch" to So.
Africa for the first stage of refining. It was sent to W. Germany
for the final step. They it was shipped back to the East Coast.
The mechanism works on the principle of the neutron bomb.
Weapons-grade plutonium is surrounded by an 'enriched'
plastique that is ITSELF also partly derived from radioactive
material or has radioactive material suspended within it. The
'enrichment' of the plastique is the key to the weapon's small
size and high radioactive charge. It does create a chain
reaction. A one kilogram detonation is roughly equivalent to
25% of the Hiroshima blast. The radiation may be much worse.
The device is similar to the Army's tactical field nukes. At first it
appeared that the organization behind the illicit weapon was the
Nazi group centered in the oil company that owned the plant.
Eventually I learned that the people behind it were the Group
that has no name. The devices are concealed in small suitcase-
sized, lead-lined cases. Radio-controlled. They were deployed
in most large US cities and military bases during the
approximate period, 1981-84. The control officers for the
operation were associated with former or then-current CIA and
other intelligence, and a prominent right-wing political group.
The devices are concealed in utility tunnels or uninhabited areas
adjacent to targets. In cities with subways, they were placed in
the subway systems because that will give the radiation charge
approximately the same radius as a detonation at the prime
level [about 10,000 feet]. Placement of all the devices was
designed to give maximum concealment and yet the greatest kill
radius consistent with the concealment. Thus, where the city is
near a mountain, the bomb is on the mountain. The point of
departure for each deployment operation [second leg after
origin] was an abandoned military airfield outside Phoenix. The
origin of the journeys was in the East U.S. The second source
of nuclear blackmail are nuclear power plants with designed
faults. Group had planned to use this tactic to manipulate
Government policy through threat and meltdown; threat and
meltdown. The sabotage was directed against plants operated
by five specific power companies and involved one of the large
nuclear plant contractors.





PART IV: PARTIAL APPENDIX OF NAMES IDENTIFIED
BY MAN WHO APPEARS TO BE GEN. REINHARD
GEHLEN'S SON [Continued in Part V]


PREFACE AND CAVEATS:


The following are some of the names that my source has
identified from blind lists given to him for review by me since
August, 1986. I have limited the list to those in the following
categories: politicians, past and present; bankers; military
chiefs, past and present; drug enforcement personnel; and
television media chiefs. I have over 60 pages of
identifications, of which I have deleted from this posting such
categories as bureaucrats, justice department, NASA,
nuclear power industry, federal and state judges [roughly one
per district & division & five per appeal circuit], lawfirms
here and abroad, assassinations and Warren Commission
members, staff and witnesses, bio warfare, participants in the
Earl Warren Supreme Court "criminal law revolution" in the
1960s, draftors of the Model Penal Code in the 1960s and
"reformers" in sentencing and parole during the same era,
industrial corporation executives, and the Vatican from 1939
to present.


Anonymous





Next - Part 4

09-07-2005, 01:38 PM
MY 10-YEAR INVESTIGATION - PART IV: APPENDIX
OF NAMES IDENTIFIED [Continued from Part III]

Typically my source has identified less than 5% of
the names sent to him on any particular blind list. Question
marks to the left indicate confusion of my source as to
whether the person was on the list for some other reason
than true membership. Where the last name is
CAPITALIZED, he has identified only the last name. I have
placed some of his last-name identifications on this summary
because he has informed me that part of his training under
hypnosis was to RECOGNIZE many of the names IN FULL,
but to IDENTIFY only the last names. In a number of cases I
have tested these last-name identifications by sending him
lists with the same last names, but paired with false first
names. He has not identified the last names when paired
with false first names or when other individuals with the same
last names appear on other lists. Where I have found some
form of reinforcement from these sorts of tests or from other
patterns of identifications or from the person's role in world
affairs [e.g., Saddam HUSSEIN, identified by him in summer,
1986], I have included the last-name identifications.
Finally, readers should be aware that many of the names
identified are very common and could refer to someone other
than the specific person with the specific title I have indicated
below.

CAUTION AS TO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MY SOURCE'S
IDENTIFICATIONS: My source and I both caution the
readers against placing too much reliance on the names
identified by him. It is intended mostly as a general caution
to those named to examine their associations with people who
espouse the ideologies described in Parts I-III. JUST BECAUSE
A NAME IS ON THE GROUP'S LIST DOES NOT MEAN THAT
PERSON SUBSCRIBES TO THEIR PLANS OR IDEOLOGY.
My source was ordered to memorize the names. He believes
the names represent people the GROUP considers "usable" as
agents. It is inconceivable that many of the people listed would
be knowingly involved. In fact, they may think specific actions
they are asked to take are legitimate requests serving no
improper purpose. On the other hand, some of them,
particularly in the highest categories of military, bankers, and
people in foreign affairs, may be "players" in the organization.
The vast majority are ignorant of the GROUP'S true objectives
and "black" operations. The politicians identified generally
are involved as a means of obtaining power and not through
venal hearts. Many participants over the years have been
forced into knowing cooperation by blackmail or by other means.
Some names may be on the list merely by virtue of their close
association with and manipulation by others who are actively
involved. The important thing is that, based on my source's
story, the people could be used as pawns to manipulate world
events without even realizing their true function. That is what
the world of spooks is all about.

09-07-2005, 07:56 PM
Hmmmm...the "Process Church."

ding, ding, ding, ding!!!

P. S. Bouncer, we're not crazy!!!!!!

Me, crazy???

Not I!!

YOU ARE THE CRAZY ONES is the only way I could counteract their psychological abuse.

If you tell someone they're crazy enough times, soon they will begin to believe it.

I think it was a tactic, Bouncer!!!

It was my CRAZY father and others who "repeated" this to me over and over again.

Finger pointing to his head and then spinning it, looking at me.

I lost my marbles was another.

Empty upstairs.

Can't remember names and faces.

Didn't receive enough oxygen at birth. I had brain damage due to premature birth, it was said.

On and on. The list goes on and on!!

Brain like a sieve!!

Information goes in and out!!

Never make anything out of your life!!

Oh, man. Sorry, this is depressing!!

At first awakening I thought the same, Bouncer, but only because I was recalling events that 99 percent of the population disbelieves.

"Satanic ritual abuse." Oh, right!! Government involvement. Oh, sure.

and

you didn't remember until now!!

Yep, you're crazy, alright!!!

Bouncer
09-08-2005, 09:39 AM
Exactly!!! That's what I'm talking about! I heard someone at my apartment building come into the laundry room, walk up to the only other person in there, and say something like, "Oh, by the way, don't talk to that man, he's emotionally disturbed." Wow. I was hurt, then I was angry. But it confirmed to me that such a stupid smear tactic won't get too far with a thinking person. As for the PSTD, I'll say it again: most if not all of the "Crazy" reactions and experiences are just normal human behavior in traumatic circumstances. My brain is decompressing, so to speak. Most people will experinece trauma at least once in their lives, but many haven't yet. Don't let the ignorance of those around you wear you down!!! And remember, too, that the sociopathic people who harmed you cannot feel love, guilt, shame, or any real human emotional connection, like warmth and affection. Appeals to reason or emotion or morality don't work with them. Simply show them that you are your OWN MASTER, and that they lost the "Game" with YOU.

freeman
09-08-2005, 09:50 AM
And remember, too, that the sociopathic people who harmed you cannot feel love, guilt, shame, or any real human emotional connection, like warmth and affection. Appeals to reason or emotion or morality don't work with them. Simply show them that you are your OWN MASTER, and that they lost the "Game" with YOU.

Yes...I feel there is a key in those words to dealing with this whole NWO mess....
The Illuminati's weakness is their inability to functional on an emotional and spiritual level.

Bouncer
09-08-2005, 10:01 AM
http://home.att.net/~dr_martha_stout/sociopathnextdoor.html
This is an easy read and explains in practical ways who they are and what to do about them. Are you thinking what I'm thinking??? Can sociopathy be induced through the programming techniques now in existence? THAT would pave the road to creating cold-blooded killers, et al.
On a related note, my new research target is one or more recognition codes (possibly with replies) of those who operate in secret. I don't mean poking into national security issues, but into the illegal & dark operations of these slimeballs who think that noone sees or hears what they do. It's just a skirmish, but they need to know that the "All-seeing eye" sees them, too, and HE doesn't like what HE sees!!

freeman
09-08-2005, 10:28 AM
Can sociopathy be induced through the programming techniques now in existence?

Based on what I know of MK Ultra programming, I would say, as one "alter" (alternate personality).
This all goes toward the excellent article TB posted yesterday about serial killers being mind control victims.
What makes MK Ultra so insidious is the multiple personality aspect. Its victims can display entirely different personalities in different situations. A sociopathic serial killer can exhibit normal, emotionally-responsive behavior at other times.

Bouncer
09-08-2005, 11:00 AM
Sure, I've read about the basic set-up. I think, though, that a true core split that results in functional alters is relatively rare. I think that the majority of "successes" in the MONTAUK and MONARCH programs are simply programmed behaviors and deeply implanted suggestions. But if I'm wrong, and core splits are common, then there is probably an enormous demand for them in the black ops, etc., and this is, of, course, what Cisco Wheeler, Kathy O'Brien, and a host of others have been saying all along.
REMEMBER that one of the directors of the CIA actually ADMITTED the existence of the MONARCH program in public!!! This is not a "National Security Issue" anymore: not if the director himself tells us that it exists!
Hey, Boneheads: the cold war is over!!!

09-08-2005, 07:38 PM
There is no room for debate when it concerns the deliberate creation of MPD in mind control victims. "The Deliberate Creation of MPD." Dr. Colin Ross.

This is standard knowledge by those who have researched these "grotesque" programs, those who are "in the know" and victims/survivors themselves.

But, perhaps Colby acknowledged Monarch as someone once suggested this could start the clock on "Statute of Limitations."

How else is amnesia created? Most times, victims don't even know they have alters when they begin to recall memories. Alters don't always know one another. Perfect spies, black ops, etc.

Many times, the victims are rendered homeless, destitute, psychologically damaged, DAMAGED GOODS, mentally ill, institutionalized, drifters, prison inmates, serial killers, schizophrenics, operating within their criminal organization and/or KILLED either because their time is up, snuffed out in porn films, etc.

So, for those who made it through, were released, and discover their PAST, with their brains intact, realizing alters exist is quite frightening.

Amnesia is also created through other means such as drugs, electricshock, hypnosis, etc.

Monarch is a "trama-based" mind control program and the brain's only way to survive trauma so "grotesque" is to compartmentalize it. Block it out. It is a "sane" defense against "insane" people.

And, yes, Bouncer, thank you for that. There is no reasoning or rationalizing with sociopaths. They are always right. They see it their way. They have no emotions and/or feelings for others. They live in a world that revolves around them. You are in the wrong, not them.

Abuse is love, like I said and the "guilt" trip is always placed upon the victim.

I say, F**K OFF!! and they (HE) knows to whom I am referring.

I've come this far after awakening and and fought like hell against CONTROL when I was young.

I will never surrender to anyone!!!

I was born a FREE soul and I will die a FREE soul.

Even if it is in Nazi/fascist America.

No one owns ME!!!

Bouncer
09-09-2005, 09:24 AM
Wow. That's a great message. Thanks for the extra insight, regrettably as a former "Subject" of a grotesque program. Sometimes I think that many bastardized techniques are used by occult or criminal groups who have little or no ties to the military or civilian gov't. For instance, the Telephone Technique, the Marionette Technique, etc. As for the Statute of Limitations, there are rules that define proper notification of potential litlgants. This is what I was referring to about the Manchurian Candidate. It was deemed public notofication and even was referred to in court proceedings.
The boneheads that are stalking me are using some interesting things: ethereal whispering, as if a ghost were whispering in my ear (this can be done with ordinary sound equipment); attempts at inducing shame or humiliation by repeating abusive or humiliating phrases while playing a recording of a woman's scornful laughter; in fact this speaking/laughter was attempted last night! A third tactic that they attempt over and over again is to give suggestions in a "Command Voice" with an authoritative tone (e.g. "I will now demonstrate how to make Bouncer get up and go to the kitchen . . ."). They also use the phrase "How does it feel . . ." a lot with variuos predicates, obviously for purposes of humiliation as mentioned earlier. My only regret is that any audio recordings I have made cannot be disclosed to a third party!

09-09-2005, 10:03 AM
Geez, Bouncer, you are not in a good situation with predators lurking around you!!!

And, as you know, there isn't much you can do about it.

Reporting something like this to the police, right!!!

I wish you could get the hell out of there!!

Bouncer
09-15-2005, 11:15 AM
Well, I'm overreacting to a lot of it, plus I still have a remnant of stress from the marriage (ex).
But I now have a new insight into the manipulation. It goes like this: The suggestions, emotional programming, etc. done at home is targeted for behavior at work. Example: playing a mob of angry or laughing voices (faintly for the subliminal effect) and suggesting a response when similar voices or laughter is hear AT WORK.
The suggestions, emotional programming, etc. done at work is targeted for behavior at home. Example: a quick shot with an EM weapon or a trauma-based phrase followed by, "Did you feel that ? How does that feel! That is the way you will feel when you ******* at home!" Or any variation thereupon. Sexual frustration and humiliation are popular themes with these perverts, and they know many of the standard subliminals used in television such as the one that sounds like, "Pull up.", and music DVD's, etc., such as the fellatio sequence which I will repeat only in private e-mail.

Bouncer
09-20-2005, 03:02 PM
Wow! What a brain fart that was! :-o
Well, I believe that some things are made more curious by their absence. We all, I believe, have heard one story or another about the hot cages: electrified confinement cages in which are put the new MONARCH victims. Two variations I address are the use of kittens or bunnies, and the use of trained chimpanzees.
Now, trauma alone is of little value to a technical training program like this. What is absent? BEHAVIOR! How do they use the trauma to program behavior? How do you make an assassin or a sexual model?
My theory is this: the variations tell us the purpose by the psychodynamics of the setup. For instance, 1) The chimps are trained to pinch, tickle, slap, and otherwise abuse the children in the cages. But what you don't know is what happens next: the children are let out at the appropriate time and allowed, no, COMMANDED, to hurt and kill the chimps in the most violent ways possible. All of the pent-up rage and fury are all spent quickly on the chimps, their former tormentors! This is how to make an assassin! And what if the tormentors instead were other children in costumes of the intended targets?
2) The kittens and bunnies are meant to be an alter symbol with which the deprived and ignored child is to identify. To be loved, fed, cuddled, as cute and soft as a little kitten, etc. The ensuing scenarios are then used to program a sexual or submissive persona.
Once again, it is not the trauma alone, but how it is incorporated into the dynamics of the programming that is vital to the understanding.

09-21-2005, 09:42 PM
Hey, JIMBO, did you morph into someone else? Have a facelift? Go into hiding?

Anyway, the fact that there are published pictures on the web of sites used by the "cult" and information abundant in books and the internet about mind control programs, this process, to a certain degree, is detrimental to those who claim to be victims of MKULTRA, etc. as their recall cannot be authentic.

So, perhaps, this effort may be honorable on the part of many writers, reporters, etc., but for the victims, it is not helpful.

Bouncer
09-22-2005, 11:30 AM
I can go with that. Thanks!

09-22-2005, 05:01 PM
I don't trust anyone on the web.

I trust my family and friends!!!

PERIOD!!

Learned not the trust the government when I was young.

09-22-2005, 07:02 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Bouncer wrote:
Blue Angel: I apologize for any unwanted associations which I might have stirred up. I can empathize with severe dissociation and other things, so I have a clue what the pain and fear are like. My pursuit is much more than recreation or "intellectual curiosity." That being said, if you want an account of hot-cage sessions (ala Josef Mengele) or "Tinkerbelle" programming, it is out there on the web. I will not elaborate because it is a sensitive subject and potentially upsetting. Thank you for your comments.
Later.

No problem Bouncer!! I've been going through some hard times the past couple of years due to my "awakening."

I have made PEACE with myself inasmuch as I realize I may never recover all of my memories and that this process may be with me for a very long time.

I have support so I am not alone in my struggle.

My goal is to ENLIGHTEN as much as possible with the knowledge I do possess. There is no other reason for me to have survived such grotesque abuse.

Anyway, the "Tinkerbelle" programming was something I was subjected to at Tinker Air Force Base. I would ask, "why do they call it Tinker AFB?" and, they would reply, "because we TINKER with your brain here and you're our little TINKERBELLE.

I don't know if Mengele had a hook arm, but one of the doctors did.

If you'd like to provide links regarding the Tinkerbelle programming and hot cages, I would appreciate it.

I haven't stumbled across that yet!!

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

At Bohemian Grove, I would ask, "why do they call it Bohemian Grove?" and they would reply because that's where it all started; in Bohemia, and I do remember some kind of mariachi band but they were called the "Bohemian's something or other."

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Peace,
BlueAngel


BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

09-22-2005, 07:07 PM
Jimbo wrote:
Mind Control - MKULTRA - :-o :-o :-o

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

BlueAngel Wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'm here, JIMBO, alive, walking this planet, a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and for that I am THANKFUL!!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Mind Control is a SUBJECT of great concern to me because it involves more than just "programming" a slave for some future mission.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When one thinks of mind control they usually equate it to a Manchurian Candidate. That does not even cover the spectrum of what is involved in their programs; particuarly Project Monarch, which is trauma-based.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that government conspiracies are real. I know that our government is corrupt. Both parties. So, if that was their goal for my future, I have no allegiance to either.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I have allegiance to my country. The America that should be!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Maybe people do lie to themselves to mask the reality that they lived, but as far as mind control victims are concerned most times the reality that they lived is so horrific that blocking it was the only way they survived.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
THEY DO NOT REMEMBER and, therefore, are not lying to themselves or anyone else. They can have dozens of alters. Psychological warfare ensues.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Coupled with hypnosis, electricshock, drugs, sleep, water, food, sensory deprivation, etc., etc., etc., false memories implanted doesn't really allow all of the REAL memories and the entire picture to evolve once a victim/survivor is triggered into remembering their past abuse and incarceration in one of these programs.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Trauma too horrible for the mind to endure is FORGOTTEN. Compartmentalized. This, the only way for mind control victims to survive the abuse. The brain's self-defense.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I was replying to NOMAD about the "Whiz Kid" and just making some general remarks as to memories I have as a child that seemed to parallel his experience. I was interested in his story and the fact that he was institutionalized because he was a threat to THEM and not himself.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'd ultimately LOVE to interview him.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
JIMBO, I'm 48 years old...soon to be 49. I only uncovered this past life of mine about four years ago.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
That, my friend, is the essence and depth of mind control. The victim is unaware for decades that they were sujected to such vicious manipulation, control and abuse.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When the memories surface, the question remains for those who are alive and were not killed or snuffed out in porn films. WHY?

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I admire Henry's work. And, by the way, I say "Oh, Henry," like the candy bar.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that there are many more like him who have been working behind the scenes for decades to uncover this CULT.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am open to feedback and any answers you may have are certainly welcome!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

InPeace,
BlueAngel


Wow,... that's pretty wild. I have read about

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
MKULTRA before, sometimes articles written by survivors like yourself, but I never thought I was going to meet anyone that had gone through like what you just described. A lot of bizarre stuff happening in our world. I’m speechless,…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am kind of tired now, but perhaps another time I’ll have the mental energy to continue…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Here are some links you might find interesting.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
The Montauk Project Exposed
"The MONTAUK PROJECT: Underground Videos cover many topics not revealed in the Montauk books. Some topics include: Montauk Project, Crashed Saucers, Paranormal, Brainwashing, Mind Control, Telepathy, Teleportation, Space Time, UFO's, Time Travel, ...and the involvement in the project with Nicola Tesla, Von Neumann, Albert Einstein, Wilhelm Reich, John Huchenson, David Hilbert,The Rainbow Project, Philadelphia Experiment Invisibility, Phoenix Project, ...and Alien Physics: Extra-Terrestrials Contact, Psychic & Metaphysics, Future Reincarnation, Phoenix Project, Hyper Space-Time Tunneling, Teleportation, Alternate Reality, Space Time Manipulation, Past Future Ruins, USS Eldridge, Weather Control, Z-Argon Gases, Altered States of Reality, Auras, Stealth Technology Grays, Pleiadians, Reptilians, Worm Holes, Psychic, Albert Einstein, Atlantis, Crashed Ship, Extraterrestrial Bases, ET's, Reptilian, Illuminati Alchemy, Hilga Marro, Alien Magnetic Field, Zero-Time Frame, Time Travel, Akashic Artifacts, Vortex, Face of Mars, Ancient Civilizations, Mars Ruins Intelligence, Anomalies, Alien Physics, Secret Societies, Co-Incidence, Nicola Tesla, Paranormal, Psychic Bio-Rhythms, Orion Aliens, Multi-Dimensional Universe, Torus Dimensions, Robert Monroe, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Consciousness, Delta-T Vortex, Quantum Electro Dynamics, Time Waves, Nicola Tesla's Esoteric Functions, Levenston Time, and Zero Time Functions... READ ON..."
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/index.html

8-)

09-22-2005, 07:09 PM
Yes, the information is all in my head!!

In safe-keeping!!

09-22-2005, 07:49 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

Where are your words, we are looking for your approval.
BlueAngel wrote:
Obviously, you believe your behavior to be mature.

Obviously, it is not!![/quote][/quote]
We Learned this behavior from you are you therefore less than mature or do you not like your game being played with you as you do with others.

09-22-2005, 08:44 PM
Leviathan wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

Where are your words, we are looking for your approval.
BlueAngel wrote:
Obviously, you believe your behavior to be mature.

Obviously, it is not!![/quote]
We Learned this behavior from you are you therefore less than mature or do you not like your game being played with you as you do with others.[/quote]

Are you on an acid trip?

Bouncer
09-24-2005, 10:57 AM
Got a flash report, but need feedback.
Full-color photos, with a text block in the upper right corner. White background, gray text. Among the information about the woman in the photo are the words "Artisan", and "Courtesan." It sounds European, perhaps Illuminat-based. The words Artisan and Courtesan have code numbers after them. E.g., "Artisan 0853, xxxx, xxxx, . . .". Does anyone else have any insight into this? The codes might represent the attributes of the model, or they could be some form of access codes, but I'm really not sure at this point. DO NOT ask me to identify my source!

09-24-2005, 11:08 AM
Bouncer wrote:
Got a flash report, but need feedback.
Full-color photos, with a text block in the upper right corner. White background, gray text. Among the information about the woman in the photo are the words "Artisan", and "Courtesan." It sounds European, perhaps Illuminat-based. The words Artisan and Courtesan have code numbers after them. E.g., "Artisan 0853, xxxx, xxxx, . . .". Does anyone else have any insight into this? The codes might represent the attributes of the model, or they could be some form of access codes, but I'm really not sure at this point. DO NOT ask me to identify my source!

No insight.

PLEASE IDENTIFY YOUR SOURCE!!!

Bouncer
09-24-2005, 11:14 AM
A little angel told me, this AM.

09-24-2005, 11:21 AM
Bouncer wrote:
A little angel told me, this AM.

WONDERFUL!

Billy
09-25-2005, 04:40 AM
truebeliever wrote:

As for me? I am a bad tempered, immature, narssicistic, vindictive buffoon with to much time on his hands who tends to take out personal frustrations on others.



You can say that again.

truebeliever
09-25-2005, 05:42 AM
Whats wrong Billy?

No beam in your eye?

Being a New Ager you of course are "perfect" and their is no need to look too hard as Oprah loves you.

If you want to play the man..trust me...you will lose.

Last warning seal hugger.

Veritas
09-25-2005, 06:13 AM
Bouncer wrote:
Got a flash report, but need feedback.
Full-color photos, with a text block in the upper right corner. White background, gray text. Among the information about the woman in the photo are the words "Artisan", and "Courtesan." It sounds European, perhaps Illuminat-based. The words Artisan and Courtesan have code numbers after them. E.g., "Artisan 0853, xxxx, xxxx, . . .". Does anyone else have any insight into this? The codes might represent the attributes of the model, or they could be some form of access codes, but I'm really not sure at this point. DO NOT ask me to identify my source!


Its Japanese in nature. Probable referring to Geishas I think. They are now outlawed in Japan but young girls are still forced into the life as part of the Asian sex trade. The numbers sound like a Japanese prefix for a telephone number. Like "0853-62-3620"

Bouncer
09-26-2005, 09:17 AM
Thanks. I'll have to look into that aspect. From what I hear, the adult entertainment industry is thriving in the oriental countries. The photo to which I refer had an image of a young (20-ish) blonde female who appeared to be caucasian; as has been rumoured in the past, some of our blonde-haired blue-eyed children have been smuggled out of the country for God only knows what. Maybe this. The traditional use of the word courtesan implies wealthy or powerful patrons. The artisan designation could be a cult name, or perhaps an occupational code or phone number, etc. I wasn't allowed to see her name or any other identifying information.

Bouncer
09-26-2005, 03:46 PM
I followed your lead and found the international code 0853 is the code for Macau, China SAR. It's flimsy, but if it is in the right direction I would wonder about the whereabouts of a certain white blonde young woman in that area. Perhaps the trafficing laws apply? Are we trying to sweeten the pot with China lately?

Bouncer
09-30-2005, 09:28 AM
I have a little more from the homefront. If you remember, there are people in an adjoining apartment using phrases and false ambient noises in a classic gang stalking scenario. Taken by itself it would not rise to the level of behavior mod or control. But I now have another piece of the puzzle. The stalking behavior is simply to wear me down and cause (hopefully) a state of dissociation in which I am more suggestible. There is also a low, gentle yet authoritative male voice which is used to plant suggestions at that time. The dumb taunts (e.g. "Welcome to reality, you weirdo") are more like a decoy, whereas the faint male voice is the guts of the operation. If anyone knows of this technique or has had similar experiences, try a post!

10-23-2005, 12:57 AM
Here you go, folks:

When a mind control victim is switched to one of her BETA alters, could be child-like, since this is a pedophile's desire, the following are some of the sexual programming commands/triggers:

SPAM!! Love eating SPAM!!!

Let's get it on!!

Meow!!

Here, kitty, kitty!!

Come to Papa!!

10-23-2005, 03:12 AM
I have nothing to say at this point. I'm just trying to sterilize the board.

I'll see you later!!

Bouncer
10-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Thanks, BA, I've never heard those before. And here is a popular one: "Don't you have a twin, only smaller?", or some variation. I saw someone try this at a party when I was in high school. It was a joke to them. A couple of guys tried it on a girl, but I don't know what came of it.
Also, the approach from behind, placing hands on the shoulders, and telling the slave to turn around, etc, is also an alter-summoning trigger.

10-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Here are a few more to add to the list of "sexual programming" triggers:

Darling' as in Wendy Darling!

Here PRECIOUS!!!

10-24-2005, 11:14 AM
And the one I despise and hate the most, but is most obvious:

F**K ME!!!!!

Nice, huh?

Bouncer
10-24-2005, 11:25 AM
And this one was used in trauma conditioning:

"It puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again."

- Jame Gum

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 12:06 PM
What are these "alter-summoning triggers"? Im not familiar with this... Is it anything to do with, or part of Gaslighting projects?

Bouncer
10-24-2005, 12:08 PM
It could be, then again, it might not.
What's a gaslighting project???
I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours . . .

10-24-2005, 12:13 PM
Bouncer wrote:
It could be, then again, it might not.
What's a gaslighting project???
I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours . . .

What's that suppose to mean, Bouncer?

"I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours...

Sounds like some kind of programming to me!!!

10-24-2005, 12:14 PM
Bouncer wrote:
And this one was used in trauma conditioning:

"It puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again."

- Jame Gum

What does that mean Bouncer?

Was this used on you?

For what purpose?

What transpired?

Who is Jame GUM

10-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Bouncer wrote:
Thanks, BA, I've never heard those before. And here is a popular one: "Don't you have a twin, only smaller?", or some variation. I saw someone try this at a party when I was in high school. It was a joke to them. A couple of guys tried it on a girl, but I don't know what came of it.
Also, the approach from behind, placing hands on the shoulders, and telling the slave to turn around, etc, is also an alter-summoning trigger.

What does "don't you have a twin, only smaller?" mean, Bouncer?

What do you mean someone tried it at a party?

Were they all mind controlled slaves?

10-24-2005, 12:17 PM
LaDominio wrote:
What are these "alter-summoning triggers"? Im not familiar with this... Is it anything to do with, or part of Gaslighting projects?

What are the gaslighting projects?

Mind control slaves have alters. Beta is the "sex slave" programming. Words/phrases are used as triggers to call out "sex slave" alters.

Understand?

10-24-2005, 12:29 PM
Bouncer wrote:
I have a little more from the homefront. If you remember, there are people in an adjoining apartment using phrases and false ambient noises in a classic gang stalking scenario. Taken by itself it would not rise to the level of behavior mod or control. But I now have another piece of the puzzle. The stalking behavior is simply to wear me down and cause (hopefully) a state of dissociation in which I am more suggestible. There is also a low, gentle yet authoritative male voice which is used to plant suggestions at that time. The dumb taunts (e.g. "Welcome to reality, you weirdo") are more like a decoy, whereas the faint male voice is the guts of the operation. If anyone knows of this technique or has had similar experiences, try a post!

I can agree with the stalking behavior. It's all about wearing the victim down. As well as wanting the victim to be afraid to go outside for fear of being followed and/or music being played that he/she has been programmed with. An attempt at isolation. Silence, neutralize and contain. Same with bugging your house and then reading what you've said on another forum.

Stalking causes anxiety, being on the defensive causes anxiety, verbal abuse, etc., the same. All in an effort to weaken the victim's fight mechanism. Basically, a system deployed to "break down" the individual. Silence, neutralize and contain.

This tactic only heightens and fine tunes my senses.

This, to their detriment!!!

10-24-2005, 12:33 PM
DON'T the Fu**ers know this yet??

Obviously as dumb as they look!

Bouncer
10-24-2005, 01:16 PM
Wow, you get busy at the lunch hour, don't ya?

"Don't you have a twin, only smaller?" - a couple of guys at a party were giggling like schoolboys (which they were) and one said to the other, "Hey, go up to her and say [the twin phrase] and see what she does . . ." It had that sexual patina to it, but I had no idea what the deeper significance was. This was in Portland, Oregon; there are documented programming sites in that weird town.

Jame Gum was one of the infamous Dr. Hannibal Lecter's patients. He was making a woman suit out of dead girls' skin.

In a formal structure, the tactics you responded about are called conversion tactics. One of the things that they (at my location) tried to do was install a gag code; you know, "Don't tell anybody, don't speak . . ."
I think it's either occult related or just some mean kids with too little moral backbone. After all, as you said, they sometimes read our mail and don't like having their secrets aired . . .

10-24-2005, 01:20 PM
It's also about causing anger, toying with all of your emotions so that your ability to focus and think clearly is obstructed.

Obviously, their "goal" for me was to implant suggestions as to my childhood while under their "control" through the various mind control tactics and manipulations as described so that I would recall what they wanted me to recall as to my past victimization and, clear their names.

However, I believe now that what I recalled, in relation to the person whom I believe was my handler and his "partners in crime," was "disinformation" implanted through the use of the above tactics while I was switched to various alters and placed in a state of suggestibility.

There was an instance where, like I said before, I suffered for days in bed, traumatized, unable to eat or sleep (kept me up all hours of the night defending myself, looking for clues as to their role in my past which only kept me hanging on to false hopes). In other words, stringing me along in an effort to suck me back into their cult, but never supplying any evidence as to their "honorable" role in my past.

Never speaking to me directly, but leaving subliminal messages and "reading between the lines" for information.

They will play the role of protector, but the abuse will continue and as is the case with most abusers, they will attempt to shift the blame on you as if you have caused them to suffer.

Role reversal.

My "handlers" theme song for me is Sting's "I'll be Wathcing you."

How's that for a stalking song?

10-24-2005, 01:22 PM
My "handlers" theme song for me is Sting's "I'll be Wathcing you."

WTF!!

10-24-2005, 01:23 PM
Anonymous wrote:
My "handlers" theme song for me is Sting's "I'll be Wathcing you."

WTF!!

Oh, let me phrase that differently.

PAST HANDLER!!!

10-24-2005, 01:31 PM
Anonymous wrote:
My "handlers" theme song for me is Sting's "I'll be Wathcing you."

WTF!!


What?

Does this leave you aghast???? Just too hard to believe?

WTF?

torchithill
10-24-2005, 01:31 PM
Nobody, cares about your past experiences they are fake anyway. Just shutup. You are just one cut above fra-nothing anyway.

10-24-2005, 01:36 PM
torchithill wrote:
Nobody, cares about your past experiences they are fake anyway. Just shutup. You are just one cut above fra-nothing anyway.

What are you doing, TLH, lurking around the site and just waiting for me to post so you can tell me to shut-up?

Nobody shuts me up or haven't you noticed? and if anyone ever did, it certainly wouldn't be you!!

Have you noticed the amount of views it has received? Obviously, somebody cares and that somebody is you.

But, you care only because you want me to shut-up about it and I would have to ask you why?

Does it disturb you?

Are you protecting someone?

Mind control is a fact, not fiction and if you are in resistance to our government than this topic should not disturb you and I would think that you would want justice for all victims.

Now, get off that hill and lose the torch. The FEMA patrol is coming to take you away to one of their concentration camps.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 01:40 PM
Bouncer wrote:
It could be, then again, it might not.
What's a gaslighting project???
I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours . . .

Main Entry: gaslight
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: to manipulate someone into questioning their own sanity; to subtly drive someone crazy
Etymology: 1956
Usage: slang; gaslighting, n

I don’t know if this would have anything to do with child abuse, but certainly with "mind control".

10-24-2005, 01:47 PM
LaDominio wrote:

Bouncer wrote:
It could be, then again, it might not.
What's a gaslighting project???
I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours . . .

Main Entry: gaslight
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: to manipulate someone into questioning their own sanity; to subtly drive someone crazy
Etymology: 1956
Usage: slang; gaslighting, n

I don’t know if this would have anything to do with child abuse, but certainly with "mind control".

Well, certainly with mind control and I'm sure that would be a part of it; however, not of the BETA programming. That's too important for the pedophiles, sex ring, prostitution, mafia pornography and CIA black-ops.

"If you tell someone they're crazy enough times, especially when young, soon they will begin to believe it." Brainwashing, mind control, whatever you chose to call it.

I would think this could drive someone into mental illness.

Discrediting purposes as well.

torchithill
10-24-2005, 01:49 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

torchithill wrote:
Nobody, cares about your past experiences they are fake anyway. Just shutup. You are just one cut above fra-nothing anyway.

What are you doing, TLH, lurking around the site and just waiting for me to post so you can tell me to shut-up?

Nobody shuts me up or haven't you noticed? and if anyone ever did, it certainly wouldn't be you!!

Have you noticed the amount of views it has received? Obviously, somebody cares and that somebody is you.

But, you care only because you want me to shut-up about it and I would have to ask you why?

Does it disturb you?

Are you protecting someone?


Mind control is a fact, not fiction and if you are in resistance to our government than this topic should not disturb you and I would think that you would want justice for all victims.

Now, get off that hill and lose the torch. The FEMA patrol is coming to take you away to one of their concentration camps.

Sorry you are on the same level as fra_nothing.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 01:49 PM
...and what do kids these days see on tv? Matirialistic crap. And thats what they base their adult lives on.

10-24-2005, 01:52 PM
Try answering the question, TLH.

What is your aversion to the subject of mind control or the FACT that I am a victim/survivor?

What's the deal, TLH???

Answer the question.

torchithill
10-24-2005, 01:56 PM
Talk about sulking around the site, you must live in it or is it controlling your mind. Truly a small task

10-24-2005, 02:01 PM
torchithill wrote:
Talk about sulking around the site, you must live in it or is it controlling your mind. Truly a small task

What are you talking about?

This is a forum where issues are discussed.

No one is sulking.

I live in reality.

Nothing and no one controls me.

I am the captain of my ship.

What is truly a small task?

Have you ever heard the song, oh, nevermind!!

You wouldn't understand!!

Again, can't answer a simple question, can you?

What is your aversion to this mind control thread?

What is truly a small task?

These are simple, questions, TLH!!

torchithill
10-24-2005, 02:06 PM
my answer is, from a simple mind comes simple questions. Maybe you are better off under mind control. Don't look now but your ship is sinking.

10-24-2005, 02:21 PM
torchithill wrote:
my answer is, from a simple mind comes simple questions. Maybe you are better off under mind control. Don't look now but your ship is sinking.

First of all, if my questions are simple why doesn't your simple mind answer them?

You're saying I'm a fake, but you're suggesting I'm better off under mind control.

What a pathetic statement. You believe people are better off under mind control.

That proves which camp you're in!! The fra_nothing camp.

My ship is sinking. TLH, do you realize that I'm not on a ship?

You came out of hiding after I posted the reply below. Any reason for that?

What do you know about this? and the people to whom I am referring.

Come on, TLH, enlighten us!!

Want a list of other songs by a famous artist to which I was progammed?

I think your ship is sinking!! Grab your life jacket, cause it's going to be a rough sea!



---------------------------------------------

It's also about causing anger, toying with all of your emotions so that your ability to focus and think clearly is obstructed.

Obviously, their "goal" for me was to implant suggestions as to my childhood while under their "control" through the various mind control tactics and manipulations as described so that I would recall what they wanted me to recall as to my past victimization and, clear their names.

However, I believe now that what I recalled, in relation to the person whom I believe was my handler and his "partners in crime," was "disinformation" implanted through the use of the above tactics while I was switched to various alters and placed in a state of suggestibility.

There was an instance where, like I said before, I suffered for days in bed, traumatized, unable to eat or sleep (kept me up all hours of the night defending myself, looking for clues as to their role in my past which only kept me hanging on to false hopes). In other words, stringing me along in an effort to suck me back into their cult, but never supplying any evidence as to their "honorable" role in my past.

Never speaking to me directly, but leaving subliminal messages and "reading between the lines" for information.

They will play the role of protector, but the abuse will continue and as is the case with most abusers, they will attempt to shift the blame on you as if you have caused them to suffer.

Role reversal.

My "handlers" theme song for me is Sting's "I'll be Wathcing you."

How's that for a stalking song?

torchithill
10-24-2005, 02:25 PM
You need glasses and not the kind you drink from.

10-24-2005, 02:28 PM
What kind of glasses do I need. I was going to suggest the same to you because it seems you really don't read anything before you reply.

Don't you have a hill you need to be standing on???

I suggest you go!

10-24-2005, 02:29 PM
torchithill wrote:
You need glasses and not the kind you drink from.

Do you want the list of songs that I was programmed to that were written by a very FAMOUS musician/singer/songwriter in which he played a role?

Bouncer
10-24-2005, 02:32 PM
May I remind you that revealing personal medical information without the written consent of the subject is a violation of HIPPO; this includes prescriptions for medications or corrective devices, such as glasses.

10-24-2005, 02:33 PM
I just buy mine at Barnes and Noble!

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 02:37 PM
...BA, you need to stop getting so wound up about the little comments that tick you off. The reason people do this to you is BEACAUSE you get so wound up. Just rise above it... Know what I mean?

________________________________


I think the biggest danger of this mind control issue is the effect it has on kids, who are after all, the most impressionable. You can get them to like ANYTHING if you drill it into their heads enough. America is a TV nation. Whatever you see on TV or in the media now is what you will see in the adults of the younger generation.

10-24-2005, 02:43 PM
LaDominio wrote:
...BA, you need to stop getting so wound up about the little comments that tick you off. The reason people do this to you is BEACAUSE you get so wound up. Just rise above it... Know what I mean?

________________________________


I think the biggest danger of this mind control issue is the effect it has on kids, who are after all, the most impressionable. You can get them to like ANYTHING if you drill it into their heads enough. America is a TV nation. Whatever you see on TV or in the media now is what you will see in the adults of the younger generation.


Excuse, me La La, but you are not in a position to give me advice, nor tell me how to act or suggest that I am wound up or ticked off, or that you know why people do this to me.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 02:58 PM
Ok sure... whatever.

anyway, like I said, the media is the biggest and most obvious of the mind control devices. So now some of you guys have something to set your sights on.

torchithill
10-24-2005, 02:59 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

LaDominio wrote:
...BA, you need to stop getting so wound up about the little comments that tick you off. The reason people do this to you is BEACAUSE you get so wound up. Just rise above it... Know what I mean?

________________________________


I think the biggest danger of this mind control issue is the effect it has on kids, who are after all, the most impressionable. You can get them to like ANYTHING if you drill it into their heads enough. America is a TV nation. Whatever you see on TV or in the media now is what you will see in the adults of the younger generation.


Excuse, me La La, but you are not in a position to give me advice, nor tell me how to act or suggest that I am wound up or ticked off, or that you know why people do this to me.

You see LaDominos, she jumped your ass too.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 03:03 PM
torchithill wrote:
You see LaDominos, she jumped your ass too.

Just smile... and back away... :-)

10-24-2005, 03:05 PM
LaDominio wrote:
Ok sure... whatever.

anyway, like I said, the media is the biggest and most obvious of the mind control devices. So now some of you guys have something to set your sights on.

Do you think you have just informed us of something new????

Gee!!

I don't know how we survived before you arrived here.

torchithill
10-24-2005, 03:07 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

LaDominio wrote:
Ok sure... whatever.

anyway, like I said, the media is the biggest and most obvious of the mind control devices. So now some of you guys have something to set your sights on.

Do you think you have just informed us of something new????

Gee!!

I don't know how we survived before you arrived here.

See

10-24-2005, 03:07 PM
LaDominio wrote:

torchithill wrote:
You see LaDominos, she jumped your ass too.

Just smile... and back away... :-)


Sorry, but La La's ass is of no interest to me, nor jumping it.

Good advice. Smile and back away.

Cause you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Poor babies!!


Yes, Torch It Hill, everyone sees!!!!

OMG!!

Call the police!!!

BlueAngel is on a tear!!!

torchithill
10-24-2005, 03:08 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

LaDominio wrote:

torchithill wrote:
You see LaDominos, she jumped your ass too.

Just smile... and back away... :-)


Sorry, but I La La's ass is of no interest to me, nor jumping it.

Good advice. Smile and back away.

Cause you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Poor babies!!

See

10-24-2005, 03:10 PM
SO, you're going to SPAM the thread now???

What is it you don't want others to see?

The post about the VERY FAMOUS singer/songwriter/musician whose songs I was programmed to and who played a role.

I'm about an inch away, so keep it up!!

10-24-2005, 03:17 PM
Set your sights on..
Set your sights on..
Set your sights on..

and

I ain't no spring chicken
I ain't no spring chicken
I ain't no spring chicken

HA! HA!!!

torchithill
10-24-2005, 03:19 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
SO, you're going to SPAM the thread now???

What is it you don't want others to see?

The post about the VERY FAMOUS singer/songwriter/musician whose songs I was programmed to and who played a role.

I'm about an inch away, so keep it up!!

Move to the 1/2 inch mark.

10-24-2005, 03:21 PM
torchithill wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
SO, you're going to SPAM the thread now???

What is it you don't want others to see?

The post about the VERY FAMOUS singer/songwriter/musician whose songs I was programmed to and who played a role.

I'm about an inch away, so keep it up!!

Move to the 1/2 inch mark.

Sorry, but I do things on my own time.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 03:22 PM
torchithill wrote:
See

Everyone sees, she infects every single thread with this crap...