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zanyzan311
01-11-2005, 02:48 PM
Just wanted to hear everyones ideas on timetables on when the NWO will takeover. There is some resistance to the national ID card right now. I think there will be another "terror attack" to force the sheeple into accepting this. i think this will be the beginning of the end. But, i think it will happen 2007 or 08. I mean there are things going on now, but when do you think we will get to the point where they close this site down and the police state is born.

madkhao
01-11-2005, 03:12 PM
Zany, what made you think 2007?
That years sticks out in my head too.
We need a mathematician to figure this one out.

nomad
01-11-2005, 03:30 PM
zanyzan311 wrote:
Just wanted to hear everyones ideas on timetables on when the NWO will takeover. There is some resistance to the national ID card right now. I think there will be another "terror attack" to force the sheeple into accepting this. i think this will be the beginning of the end. But, i think it will happen 2007 or 08. I mean there are things going on now, but when do you think we will get to the point where they close this site down and the police state is born.


Before closing any site www.prisonplanet.com

is probably at the top of the list.

Can anybody list others ?

Max
01-11-2005, 08:18 PM
My sources tell me 2012 is going to be serious, not that other things won't happen before then.

nohope187
01-11-2005, 08:22 PM
I was thinking tomorrow, right after lunch. :-P

nohope187
01-11-2005, 08:26 PM
But seriously, the NWO likes to plan their shit out around astrology. The next solar eclipse is scheduled for March 29, 2006. So, you can expect the shit to hit the fan when the sun burns red. :-P

freeman
01-11-2005, 08:31 PM
At the very least I think the changing of the guard, i. e., the department heads who mysteriously resigned right after Bush's reelection such as Tom Ridge, must be replaced before the process is set in motion to unleash another faux terror attack. I'm reading today about some more names being tossed in the ring for the Homeland Security vacancy, so I would speculate that late winter or early spring would be the very earliest opportunity for more mayhem, after the confirmation hearings.

DrippyBits
01-11-2005, 10:28 PM
The big push for Arnie in '08 might be an indicator...but then again this might be just a circus to distract us...but there are other timelines out there such as one showing social security being reduced by 46% by 2075...30 million inmates by 2015...

DarkChilde3D
01-12-2005, 12:48 AM
my prediction for the official start of the NWO to take effect (where they call themselves the NWO and cold boot the global network of regional branches of government) is April 8, 2031. Jesus lived to a ripe old age of 31, (or was it 32? if he was 32, then I predict 2032) and it's been estimated that Jesus was born around April, so, I predict that exactly 2000 years after Our Lord was incarnated as a man, that would be when the Devil's smack in the face of God will be officially seen. It would be so 'fitting' and 'gratifying' for the actual antichrist to announce himself on the exact 2000th anniversary.

A message to the person who told me in a PM about Heavy Metal Music being the Devil's music . . . hardly, now . . . ITS TOO OBVIOUS!!! Look at Rap and Latin Musics . . . they have more sinning mentioned in these with fucking and drugging and killing than heavy metal EVER did. Chew on THAT.

Not to say that heavy metal is good for the soul, because it's not, but I've noticed that the demonic powers are more subtle than that. I just like the dirty guitar sound, and the crunch of the electric bass. I could care less about what they sing, so long as it sound poetic and it rhymes. I pay just about no mind.

rangergord
01-13-2005, 12:29 AM
In the book FABIAN FREEWAY, the High Road to Socialism in the U.S.A. (c) 1968 tells of the unobrusive little beast called a turtle - an emblem of Britain's Fabian Society, which, since its formation in 1884, has preached and practiced a philosopy of achieving socialism (a Communist cousin) by gradual means and has as its slogan: Make Haste Slowly.

Over the years to the present, the Fabian turtle has won a series of gradual victories worldwide that could hardly have been predicted in 1920. Even now the results are hardly noticed to the great majority of people in this country.


http://www.newswithviews.com/Betty/Freauf57.htm (HOW TO EAT AN ELEPHANT)

When will it start? It started years ago.

anticomm
01-14-2005, 04:45 AM
I agree with ranger, it is going down now. The UN Plan is called Local Agenda 21. All the software designed to gather citizen data uses the # 2020. There are hundreds of orgs that use the #2020.

For example:
<a target=_blank href=http://www.dtic.mil/jointvision/>Joint Vision 2020- America's Military Preparing for Tomorrow</a>;

<a target=_blank href=http://www.region2020.org/>Region 2020-Building A Better Place To Live</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.cardiovision2020.org/>Cardio-Vision 2020</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.2020green.com/greenst/login/login.jsp>2020Green</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.ifpri.org/2020/welcome.htm>2020 Vision for Food, Agriculture and the Environment</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.au.af.mil/Spacecast/Spacecast.html>Spacecast 2020</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.transport2020.net/>Transport 2020</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.iastate.edu/~vision2020/>Vision 2020-Iowa</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.2020democrats.com/2020democrats/site/home/>2020 Democrats</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.ifpri.org/2020conference/>Sustainable Food Security For All by 2020</a>; <a target=_blank href=http://www.hud.gov/reform/mrshelpg.cfm>HUD 2020 Management Reform Plan</a>. <i>HUD's community mapping software was first called 2020. </i>.

I'm guessing 2020 is their celebration year. Let's plan a <a target=_blank href=http://nord.twu.net/acl/communitarianholiday.html>communitarian holiday!</a>

chowdah
01-14-2005, 12:36 PM
It has already started. The neocons are enacting thier little game as we speak...it is almost to late to do anything about it now...it has to play out in order for the sheeple to realize what is going on. When Bush won the election that was a clear sign that most people in this country do not realize that thier moving towards a police state. It is all about incrimentalism. No one would stand for it all at once, so they are easing us into it. Befor most people realize what is going on, it will be to late for change to happen. It is a sad realization to accept, but it is the truth. As much as I want to wake everybody up and scream at them to pay attention, it just will not work that way. The mass of the people will put thier heads down and go along with it because they are brainwashed to believe that we are doing the right thing. All in the name of freedom...the funniest thing is is that we are actually loosing our freedoms, yet most think we are still as free as we were 30 years ago. Every day that passes we loose more of our tights and most do not even care enough to look into it. At this point...now that it is a mental illness to have a political thought or belief...you have to be careful who you talk to. They have pit us against each other so we narc each other out to the cops and we think we are protecting ourselves, when all we are doing is putting the people who actually care about what happens in this country in jail or internment camps. The whole thing will continue to spiral out of control until it all comes down in the form of martial law and what the neocons say goe cause we have given them the right to do it to us...that is the sickest part of all. By not paying attention to what is happening, we are allowing them to do this to us..we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Yeoshua
01-14-2005, 12:51 PM
January 25th 10.33am GMT with the coming of the next full moon, marks the begining of the age of Aquarius and the end of the age of Pisces.

billiard
01-14-2005, 06:24 PM
as far as i can tell,the incremental strategy is the one being used .i also think maybe the USA is the last bastion of freedom ,in spite of the anti-american stuff i see in this forum .everyone else has been disarmed.europe,australia ...does anyone else here think that before FULL implementation the citizens of the USA must be disarmed? i can tell you that although most americans are not armed, those that are probably have enough for most of the rest. alot of americans have been stockpiling for several years .thats 100 million or so armed, very pissed off americans. i think that is a factor in holding it off. any comments?

nohope187
01-14-2005, 08:51 PM
Disarming Amerikans is absolutely necessary for the NWO to go forward without resistance. Excuse me, minimal resistance. Notice how all the states with big metro areas sans Texas has strict gun control/disarmament laws. The police state is being put together right under our noses in plain view. Check out infowars.com and click on Police State for more info. :-P

Jimbo
01-14-2005, 09:36 PM
“It’s Already Going Down” :-o :-o :-o

I think "the shit hit the fan" when Gore lost to fraud (but it was flying way before that) & did absolutely nothing about it (not that I give a damn about the guy), but neither did we as a nation. All of the following events were just that, pre-planned steps towards their end goal – “total control.” 911, Patriot-I, Afghanistan, Iraq, Patriot-II,… National IDs,… etc., etc.,… “We are no longer free.” Snap out of it. Anyone who thinks that we still are is in “denial”, big time denial. The only thing that can save us now, will literally be an act from God. An intervention, a miracle. A change of heart of anyone involved. Otherwise, we are “fu’ked”. And then, all we can do is pray that our souls are saved.
8-)

nohope187
01-14-2005, 09:39 PM
ditto what Jimmy said. :-P :pint:

truebeliever
01-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Ah Youshwa....you get around.

Carl Jung would be proud.

nohope187
01-14-2005, 09:59 PM
Was'nt Carl Jung the dude who brought the idea of Persona to psychology? What the hell do you mean by Carl Jung would be proud anyway? I do'nt get it. :pint:

marypopinz
01-14-2005, 10:17 PM
Hope

Supposedly, there is no God; there is only the greater consciousness of humanity, created by each individual.

Or... the more evil people are, in general, the more evil the society, the more evil trains of thought occur and lurk around waiting to find a feeble mind to take root.

It's a world without God. It is pure conscience, pure reason, no emotions involved whatsoever.

That is my take on Jungian philosophy and the mason's love it, from what I here.

Mary

Jimbo
01-14-2005, 10:29 PM
"Carl Jung In A Nutshell"
http://www.healingspacecoaching.com/nutshell.html
8-)

jncmrw
01-14-2005, 10:55 PM
I believe Jesus Christ was 33 when he died at Calvary (outside Jerusalem) and rose again from the dead three days later, JESUS IS LORD! KING, MY SAVIOR & LORD FOREVER! AMEN.

Those out there who doubt GOD's existence are more deceived then they think. WAKE UP! WAKE UP! REPENT OF YOUR SINS AND BELIEVE ON HIM WHO CAN SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINS AGAINST GOD.

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - Acts 2:38

Get a King James Bible, start Praying and get right with the LORD! Amen.

Jesus Be Praised FOREVER & EVER, HE IS. Amen.

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." - Acts 4:12

Peace.

Ahmad
01-14-2005, 11:02 PM
Peace jncmrw,


Jesus was an honorable human messenger from God. God is the only one worthy of worship. He created Jesus, Mary, you and me from nothing.

The only unforgivable sin is idol-worship, which is assigning powers (knowledge, skill, beauty..etc) or any power to harm or benefit to a thing (e.g:money)or a person (e.g: Jesus).

God is far greater than having a mate or a son. We cannot fathom His greatness, it is beyond our limited minds.

Why don't you follow your book?

"..........I have not come of myself. I was sent by One who has the right to send, and him you do not know. I know him because it is from him I come: he sent me" [John 7:28-29]

------------------------------------------

[5:116] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.

[4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him.
Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers.
You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good.
GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son.
To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.



More here:

http://www.usn2161.net/Christianity.html

jncmrw
01-15-2005, 12:35 AM
I'm sorry buddy,


Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life! - John 14:6

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Peace.

Yeoshua
01-20-2005, 05:41 AM
Carl Jung.........

Apparently according to Poppinz and the other character.
"....Supposedly, there is no God; there is only the greater consciousness of humanity, created by each individual."
And yet another helpful fellow on the site has posted Carl Jung in a nutshell one of the lines of which is:

"If life is energy, and if life comes from the Creator, and if the Creator is good, then energy itself must be good."

So, let me get this straight in the world of matchbox philosophy.
1: Carl Jung doesn't believe in a God and the masons love him.
2: Carl Jung believes in a creator (not a God)

Hmmmmmmmmm, I've said it before and I'll say it again......It's Bullshit! Get your theories to tally people. Or are you trying to get order out of this chaos?

diamond
01-20-2005, 09:40 AM
Here's one more thing from matchbox philosophy:

Carl Jung did not believe in God (the way the fundamentalists and fanatics believe). Hence, Carl Jung is a heathen. Since all heathens are doomed to go to hell, Carl Jung is also doomed to go to hell. The Freemasons love him, hence it's logical that Freemasons worship satan :-)

It only reminds me of a certain statement made by "Morpheus" in the movie "Matrix":

"The matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you're inside, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds of the people that we are trying to free. But until they are freed, they are still a part of the system and that makes them our enemy. Most of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it!"

That's undoubtedly my take on all organized religions that discourage free thinking. Anyway, I'm proud to be a Freemason, and glad to see that there are still many free thinkers left in this world that make a strong attempt to discern the truth.

By the way, last night I saw the movie "THX 1138". It was truly awesome and gives a very thought-provoking picture of what happens in a world where all outlets to freedom (both physical and mental) are shut off and people become hopelessly dependent on the system that keeps them enslaved. And it's truly refreshing to watch the journey of one man ready to fight any odds to escape from this rut.

My only advice to everyone will be to exercise accurate thinking and be willing to face the truth, even if it is unpleasant.

marypopinz
01-20-2005, 09:57 AM
Yoshi

Speak for yourself please. I believe in God and I understand Jung's philosophy. I no where stated that I deny God.

Speak for yourself please. Or are you speaking out for the minions?

mary XXX

lynns_shadow
01-20-2005, 02:15 PM
diamond and yeo,
hi

just observing this here

I understand some of you may feel put off or under seige here, you know this has not been a place infused with warm feelings towards masons, but why the critical words?

'matchbox', i don't know..

speaking as one who is 'outside the matrix", and no I didn't see the film, my Husband did..he was saying that's pretty much what we are..

I have to wonder why the vexed moments..

do you feel you have 'more' to share from your perspective on these things? by all means share. but i don't think that should be a thing to exclude truths in what others say or have to say..

look at it this way-
to my understanding (and I am not an expert on masons), freemasonry is mutually exclusive with Christianity..

now you may know some fine and upstanding men that are in at it various levels, but as a Christian who is not in it, with Christian loved ones who also are not, I'd suggest doing a little study on why this is not perse a most Godly choose, despite your well respected friends..

Heres why, and as I am limited on time right now, let me name a few-

Jesus did not swear
Jesus was and is God-so occultic activities were not a thing that He was about-but against-

One can find a great deal of information just from some of the links and sharings on here.

As for Jung, secular psychology blended with and sifted from occult minsets: synchronicity, certain dream studies, Enneagram, and astrology are really just things that have partial truths and this can be atractive to men as the mystery they find in that hidden ie occult.

But The fact remains, that even 'good men" need God and that true God alone being Jesus Christ.

Jesus does not want His children experimenting in the occult, no matter how much fun or 'power' they feel they have in it. One of the reasons is it seeks to empower and guide the participant through activities that bring false temporal and carna; 'power', from below, that is not full Truth (pure truth), and in itself acts as making the "self''god' and one who is, on some level, questioning God-via participation.

beyond this, and more importantly, it is an offense to God and not just by Old Testamant standards, as Jesus came to fullfill the law (the Old Testament) so he wasnt into breaking them.

In the end, all "good men" without Jesus Christ alone for salvation are lost and Satan's by deafult.

These are the folks who are in the nwo ,but knowingly and uknowingly controlle dby him..Do they all knwo this? No..Do they want to? maybe not.

Please dont argue with me on it though, this is the truth of the Bible.

It is the main reason why folks have agripe with God about it because Jesus calls us to One way and the onlyw ay and that seperates us from all the others.

Please read John 3:3 where jesus talks of the new birth.

I am not here to judge you, I too felt it seemed "unfair" as a college girl.

Fair or not, it is God and His will for man.

Someone here said Jesus is THE ultimate divider of light and darkness, illumining the mind sof men, who call on Him alone for salvation. This change removes us from the "matrix", and this is how we see things as we do. And why they hate us with great contempt.

God loves you all. Now don't blame me for this messege..Its just the Truth- SO talke to Him about it and take it up with Him-he loves you All but theres much more.

I do respect all of you and your faiths-just trying to shed some light-

Peace

Lynn PS sorry for typos cant edit on my way ouutttttttt :O)

:-P

madkhao
01-20-2005, 04:14 PM
"The matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you're inside, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds of the people that we are trying to free. But until they are freed, they are still a part of the system and that makes them our enemy. Most of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it!"

That's undoubtedly my take on all organized religions that discourage free thinking. Anyway, I'm proud to be a Freemason, and glad to see that there are still many free thinkers left in this world that make a strong attempt to discern the truth.

Diamond, step outside your freemason world and read your matrix quote again. Freemasonry is an organized religion. Freemasonry is the matrix that is the system.

Most of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it!"

WTF!

diamond
01-20-2005, 05:08 PM
Madkhao:

First of all, I'm not an active Mason, and I've not even been to a Masonic lodge for more than a year. So I've seen enough "outside the freemason world", and Masons do not care whether I'm actively involved or not. They also do not care whether I stick around or leave the fraternity. They respect my freewill, which is why I respect them too.

Secondly, just in case you're wondering, I'm not a Christian and will never become one in my life. You can give me thousands of quotes/preachings from your Bible on why I might be "damned" or "thrown into hellfire", but all this means nothing to me. I do not wish to be a part of any cult engaged in brainwashing people into accepting their mental construct, which is often referred to as "truth"; and then using fear-based manipulation to make them stay inside the cult. So, please keep your Bible to yourself.... Preaching your mental constructs to me will only be a waste of your time.

Lastly, Freemasonry is only a fraternity and does not expect any person to follow any particular religion, except that the members are required to believe in a Supreme power. The focus is on development of character and spiritual qualities, which provide fulfillment in every human's life. I also do not have any problem with anyone choosing to follow the Christian (or Islamic) faith, it's their freewill after all. But don't expect me to ever buy into those beliefs. I love my freedom of mind and I admire the free thinkers still remaining in this planet!

madkhao
01-20-2005, 05:40 PM
Secondly, just in case you're wondering, I'm not a Christian and will never become one in my life. You can give me thousands of quotes/preachings from your Bible on why I might be "damned" or "thrown into hellfire", but all this means nothing to me.

First of all, reread my post and tell where I damned you or told you you were going to hell.

I do not wish to be a part of any cult engaged in brainwashing people into accepting their mental construct, which is often referred to as "truth"; and then using fear-based manipulation to make them stay inside the cult.

Again, another hypocritical quote that came from nowhere.

So, please keep your Bible to yourself.... Preaching your mental constructs to me will only be a waste of your time

Third time, reread my post and tell me how I didn't keep the Bible to myself. Tell me how I preached my mental constructs to you. That was your matrix quote honey. You threw it out here for us to read. A little defensive aren't we?

marypopinz
01-20-2005, 06:35 PM
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some know, some don't

lynns_shadow
01-20-2005, 07:28 PM
Secondly, just in case you're wondering, I'm not a Christian and will never become one in my life. You can give me thousands of quotes/preachings from your Bible on why I might be "damned" or "thrown into hellfire", but all this means nothing to me.

Ohh yea..Those were my famous last words in 1987 too ;-)

I do not wish to be a part of any cult engaged in brainwashing people into accepting their mental construct, which is often referred to as "truth"; and then using fear-based manipulation to make them stay inside the cult. So, please keep your Bible to yourself.... Preaching your mental constructs to me will only be a waste of your time.

Well babe, then get out of the masons society fassstttttt ;-)

"Truth" in a loosly based "quote", ok, so you're saying you have no moral absolutes. As opposed to those who are people of faith.

Don't talk about "cults" and "the Bible" in same phrase hon, you could offend someone. Besides which, what your saying is, respectfully, bunk.

People are not "guilted' into faith and a life in Christ like one is won over to a lifetime of personal bondage to the religions of men via being hypnotized or ritual abusv, or bondage.

Those "mental constructs" your'e talking on have been the faith of billions of human beings for a very long time. If you want to classify that as a "cult", I suggest you go back to the true and orginal meaning of as cult. Of you do, however, you will find that the respected frieds you discuss have been participating in a blood one that goes back to Babylonian religious forms and is the worst sort of bondage through fear you can imagine.

Suggesting Christians "fear" and lumping that in with talks about "right" in quotes, as if "right" is a debatable thing up for grabs, suggests, very strongly, that your moral compass is a bit off here, in the sense that you have been feed religious (Masonic?) jargon about Christians, and the only way you may personal be able to get past moral absolutes (i.e. that there is such things as "right and "wrong"), is to throw the word 'truth" out there with "fear" thus suggesting you do not follow moral absolutes and do so froma frame work which can only solve the concern of Christ and Christians by labeling them as a "cult" "based on"'fear".

Well, they aren't.

Lastly, Freemasonry is only a fraternity and does not expect any person to follow any particular religion, except that the members are required to believe in a Supreme power.

No, the delta house for boys is "only a fraternity". Let's be fair and call a spade a spade hon.

Why follow anything when you have your "religion".
"A Supreme power" (named Satan).

In the end all "religions (man mad forms used to be like god through one's own "goodness' "powers" or works), is simply ritual. It is , infact, the ultimate bondage.

Ask any former Catholic after 20 plus years in the "system".

Also, "Supreme Power" is a bit vague..Coule be anything or anyone, except Jesus Christ I see..who is God alone..

The focus is on development of character and spiritual qualities, which provide fulfillment in every human's life.

Without the fear of God this can't be.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Some of those who walk in the darkness of their imaginations, but talk so loosely about "spritual" things, also use the word "truth" about thses things.

Because their definition of truth is caleld "truth", as moral relativism, it is arbitrary and situational ethics at best.

Since there is no absolute "truth", "right" and "wrong" are varibale with the tides and there is no true development of "character", for there is no true God to model it from.

Since man is imperfect, due to sin, the changes vary.

Fullfillment, at its highest form, is a temporal playing with/at powers and principlaities and favor from mena nd dark places that does not come from the true God.

At best, a tiresome excercise in pride, and the flesh and all that that entails.

I also do not have any problem with anyone choosing to follow the Christian (or Islamic) faith, it's their freewill after all.

That's nice. But, nothing would change here if you did ;-)

But don't expect me to ever buy into those beliefs. I love my freedom of mind and I admire the free thinkers still remaining in this planet!

"free-thinkers" is opted from the Devil's dictionary and the nwo handbook.

Hon, when you're sunk, you're sunk.

To suggest the Christians of al, this world are living in "fear" in a "cult", and you are clearly the one with ,pehraps, this true concern, is one thing.

To imagine you are "free" when you are bound up and tithered to a religious system made by mere men for power profit and worldy gain, is anot a frredom I would know or wish to understand.

The "freedom" you imagine you have "in (your) mind" is actually only bondage to sin.

marypopinz
01-20-2005, 07:38 PM
Maddy, do you have a mirror?
Can you see in yours? I knew you could.
I can see in mine too - some people can't...
Know what I mean?

Mary XXX

lynns_shadow
01-20-2005, 09:17 PM
I think you should know that if you speak with large and broad negative generalizations about a certain group of folks, and particularly those of faith, because it is so germaine to who they are, their very being etc.,you will find you might get a reply which may echo such words.

This is not to suggest my reply to you is in error.

Only that there might have been some things said that suggest broad sterotypes and generalities about you and your groups.

I'm sorry about that.

I have not had very much time to be on here today, and when I wrote that above I got a call and had no ability to go back, synthesize, remove things, check or edit, which I was hoping to.

The typos probably show that ;-)

At any rate,
my message stands as this.

What you feel "freedom" may be in your mind, may not truly be. And what you consider "freedoms", Christians might consider very great bondage indeed.

I know you have had some problems with those who do not like the masons, here, and all that they symbolize for them.

Try to understand that there is much evidence to support you are in the company of folks who may not seem or may not be personally or directly compromised, via their connection to this all,
but this does not mean there is no sacrifice made.

In a word, what you consider "cults", may well be the thing you have been involved in, my point above.

Those you label as being in "cults", may quite possibly, live in a freedom you do not know of, because you are in another mindset altogether.

I have no problem with you here. You are welcome as far as I'm concerned. I have no "agenda" with you or anyone, other than to see that errors are corrected, if/when I'm able, when you talk about the Christian's God.

You spoke about us, we Christians, as if we walk in blind faith. But all faith, true faith, comes from a point of some decision.

Please do not take my words to you as a personal insult or affront.

Only strong suggestions that you may be deeply wrong in your ideas about Christians and your words about them. And too, that you may indeed be quite caught up in the self same thing you seem mock.

God Bless ;-)

freeman
01-20-2005, 09:21 PM
(diamond) I do not wish to be a part of any cult engaged in brainwashing people into accepting their mental construct, which is often referred to as "truth"; and then using fear-based manipulation to make them stay inside the cult.

(mary poppins) Maddy, do you have a mirror?Can you see in yours? I knew you could. can see in mine too - some people can't...Know what I mean?

Ha, ha, ha. Enough said.