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Ahmad
06-04-2005, 01:58 AM
Peace all,

I wonder why almost everybody is posting anonymously ! is it fear or fantasy ?

06-04-2005, 10:35 AM
Ahmad wrote:
Peace all,

I wonder why almost everybody is posting anonymously ! is it fear or fantasy ?


Maybe it's because they're agents or spies!!

Seriously, Bouncer asked if I wanted him to mail me a DVD!!

I really can't understand why he would think after talking to him two times on the web that I would give him my address!!

I don't know if you are aware of this, Ahmad, but not everyone can be trusted.

Ahmad
06-04-2005, 11:18 AM
peace BA,


I think Satan succeeds when we lose our trust in humanity, when strangers are devils disguised.

Why not put our trust in God, as long as there is no evidence against the 'other' why suspicion and unjustified accusations?

Posting anonymously is a clear manifestation of Satan's reign, i think it is fear which makes most of us post anonymously.

Imagine a village where everybody is afraid, where all of them wear masks and watch their backs carefully, would such people ever have the guts to question the authority? would they even dare to raise their heads! and most of all, are they happy?

[3:175] It is the devil's system to instill fear into his subjects. Do not fear them and fear Me instead, if you are believers.

06-04-2005, 01:29 PM
Ahmad wrote:
peace BA,


I think Satan succeeds when we lose our trust in humanity, when strangers are devils disguised.

Why not put our trust in God, as long as there is no evidence against the 'other' why suspicion and unjustified accusations?

Posting anonymously is a clear manifestation of Satan's reign, i think it is fear which makes most of us post anonymously.

Imagine a village where everybody is afraid, where all of them wear masks and watch their backs carefully, would such people ever have the guts to question the authority? would they even dare to raise their heads! and most of all, are they happy?

[3:175] It is the devil's system to instill fear into his subjects. Do not fear them and fear Me instead, if you are believers.


Why does it matter to you if people choose to post anonymously? As far as it being the work of Satan, Ahmad, come on, that is really stretching it a bit.

Who said strangers are devil's disguised? That is what you must believe.

You believe and trust in whom you choose to believe and trust. God, whomever, and I'll believe and trust in the person of my chosing.

Evidence of what against the OTHER? Suspicion and accusations against whom?

It was a joke, if you're referring to the spies and agents comment.

Again, not everyone can be trusted. To think otherwise is ridiculous.

I don't live in a village where people wear masks and watch their backs. I live in a neighborhood.

This is the worldwide web, Ahmad!! Cyberspace!! It is exactly what you described. People wearing masks and watching their backs, but confronting authority.

I think you ought to stop acknowledging Satan and the Devil!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Jimbo
06-04-2005, 01:51 PM
Why To Remain Anonymous ? – :-o :-o :-o

Why make it any easier for any “evil” person to know who you are?

Whether we are ultimately spiritual beings, is not immediately relevant here. While trapped in this physical realm here, we are bound by the laws of matter. “Ignorance” is way more (physically) destructive than any knowledge or goodwill.

If God is just sorting out who is going to enjoy “eternity” vs. those who will be consumed & forgotten for the rest of infinitum, in the mean time, why become easy prey for any “beast?”

Would you allow yourself to be the easy prey of an “animal” w/o a conscience?

8-)

Ahmad
06-05-2005, 06:47 AM
peace J,

Let's assume you meet a total stranger on the net, would you welcome him or her as a member of the human race or just dismiss the 'animal' ?

It is the same case as that of the 'traveling alien', whom God exorts us in the scriptures to welcome, evenmore charity goes to the following categories,

[2:215] They ask you about giving: say, "The charity you give shall go to the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien." Any good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof.

[4:36] You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, the related neighbor, the unrelated neighbor, the close associate, the traveling alien, and your servants. GOD does not like the arrogant show-offs.


Isn't the traveling alien a complete stranger ? Lot, Abraham showed their guests true hospitality, they were putting their trust in God, who is sufficient as a Protector, did they turn out to be 'animals' ? No, they were actually angels disguised!


You hide yourself from the spies, you will get the spies, you shut your door infront of the 'animals' the angels will choose someone else to visit!

Show some trust in God people, and be true to yourself, this dual identity alienates you from your true self, the damage is much more than just a nick name you hide behind.

rushdoony
06-05-2005, 10:03 AM
We protect our children from drug dealers and pedophiles and all other sort of lowlifes. We lock our doors of our homes. We are to be vigilant against evil and take precautions to prevent it. We will keep our car keys on our person, we do not leave them in the ignition switch saying I have trust. We do what we can so we do not become sick. We do preventative measures for our safety.
More:
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct40.htm

Jimbo
06-05-2005, 12:43 PM
”True To The Self” or “Naïve To The Self” – :-o :-o :-o


Isn't the traveling alien a complete stranger ? Lot, Abraham showed their guests true hospitality, they were putting their trust in God, who is sufficient as a Protector, did they turn out to be 'animals' ? No, they were actually angels disguised!

You hide yourself from the spies, you will get the spies, you shut your door in front of the 'animals' the angels will choose someone else to visit!

Tell that to the little kids behind a milk-carton that never made it back home for being so “trusting” of the “stranger angels” you like to mingle with… give it a brake “man”. I knew you were out there, but so “naïve???”


Show some trust in God people, and be true to yourself, this dual identity alienates you from your true self, the damage is much more than just a nick name you hide behind.

You are talking right out of your ass. You do not know the first thing about me to even insinuate anything related to “being true to the self”, I don’t think you have a clue what that means. And on top of it all, you are passing “judgement,” which you are, no one, to pass judgement on any other man.

“Damage,” the only “damage” you are doing to yourself, by deluding yourself. Dude, believe whatever the "hell" you want to believe in, but do not think for myself or on my behalf.

If God is just sorting out who is going to enjoy “eternity” vs. those who will be consumed & forgotten for the rest of infinitum, in the mean time, why become easy prey for any “beast?”

Would you allow yourself to be the easy prey of an “animal” w/o a conscience?

Just save it...

8-)

06-05-2005, 09:10 PM
To think that all PEOPLE can be trusted is just ridiculous.

I trusted my government to protect all of us on 911 and they didn't.

The greatest military power in the world couldn't stop four jumbo jets, flying off course with lost communication from their deadly attack.

Go figure.

Where was NORAD??? It is typical procedure for NORAD to intervene at any time when a jet has gone astray.

They ordered a stand-down on that day. All branches of military and government working together to allow those four jumbo jets to continue on their paths of destruction.

Ahmad
06-06-2005, 01:34 AM
!!!

peace,

I just called for some transparency and here i get these negative responses again! did you really understand what i wanted to say?

Did i ask you to TRUST the people or God ? God has given us the brains to sort out the wicked from the good, why not use this faculty?

A nickname is based on the assumption that ALL people are wicked untill proven otherwise, it's like when the corrupt governments arrest ALL the demonstrators, for maybe they are ALL terrorists and this protective measure is necessary to extingusih the fire BEFORE it begins!

You put your trust in a door lock, a nickname, a security system, muscular body guards and the truth is wherever you are death will catch up with you, even if you are in formidable castles!

I didn't say that you should ignore the alarms God sends to you, use your brain to distinguish the wicked from the good and in the case of the web, this should be based on the other's response and words, but to condemn everybody that's a prejudgement that is unjustified.

By the way, today it is difficult to hide your identity on the internet, unless you keep changing your IP like the terrorists do! and also 'not to pass judgment' is Satan's idea, God is the ultimate judge but he gave us a message (scriptures) so that we can judge, or how are you gonna get married without judging your bride!


God is the Doer of Everything*

[4:78] Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles. When something good happens to them, they say, "This is from GOD," and when something bad afflicts them, they blame you. Say, "Everything comes from GOD." Why do these people misunderstand almost everything?
Footnote

Nothing Bad Comes From God

[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people,* and GOD suffices as witness.

[3:173] When the people say to them, "People have mobilized against you; you should fear them," this only strengthens their faith, and they say, "GOD suffices us; He is the best Protector."

06-07-2005, 07:59 PM
Ahmad wrote:
!!!

peace,

I just called for some transparency and here i get these negative responses again! did you really understand what i wanted to say?

Did i ask you to TRUST the people or God ? God has given us the brains to sort out the wicked from the good, why not use this faculty?

A nickname is based on the assumption that ALL people are wicked untill proven otherwise, it's like when the corrupt governments arrest ALL the demonstrators, for maybe they are ALL terrorists and this protective measure is necessary to extingusih the fire BEFORE it begins!

You put your trust in a door lock, a nickname, a security system, muscular body guards and the truth is wherever you are death will catch up with you, even if you are in formidable castles!

I didn't say that you should ignore the alarms God sends to you, use your brain to distinguish the wicked from the good and in the case of the web, this should be based on the other's response and words, but to condemn everybody that's a prejudgement that is unjustified.

By the way, today it is difficult to hide your identity on the internet, unless you keep changing your IP like the terrorists do! and also 'not to pass judgment' is Satan's idea, God is the ultimate judge but he gave us a message (scriptures) so that we can judge, or how are you gonna get married without judging your bride!


God is the Doer of Everything*

[4:78] Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles. When something good happens to them, they say, "This is from GOD," and when something bad afflicts them, they blame you. Say, "Everything comes from GOD." Why do these people misunderstand almost everything?
Footnote

Nothing Bad Comes From God

[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people,* and GOD suffices as witness.

[3:173] When the people say to them, "People have mobilized against you; you should fear them," this only strengthens their faith, and they say, "GOD suffices us; He is the best Protector."



Ahmad,

Have you ever heard the saying that "religion and politics don't mix?"

If not, now you have.

You are the perfect example of why religion should be separated from church and state as per our founding fathers.

Our President ought to keep his "private" conversations with GOD to himself.

Death is going to find all of us one way or another, but until that time, I'll continue to remain anonymous and protect myself as I see fit whether on the net or in the REAL world.

A nickname is not based on the assumption that ALL people are EVIL. It is based on the assumption that SOME people are evil.

Ahmad
06-08-2005, 01:36 AM
peace,

Have you ever heard the saying that "religion and politics don't mix?"


Yes i know this Satanic slogan, the problem with today's world is they follow Extremes of right and left, so either they make a secular government (left) or a fundamentalist one (right) and both extremes are from Satan.

The only solution God provides is a balanced middle government that doesn't forget God in its decisions and doesn't use religion to control the people. Somewhere inbetween monopoly Capitalism and Communism, where neither the individual nor the society become gods.

The secular groups call for keeping God in our personal lives, which actually means marginalizing the idea of God so that Satan can govern freely. This is like asking us to have a dual personality, one acting according to God's absolute values (in private!) and the other acting according to the society's codes (e.g: maximum profit) which is Satan's way to make us follow his code, his religion instead of God's.


A nickname is not based on the assumption that ALL people are EVIL. It is based on the assumption that SOME people are evil.

If only SOME people are evil, should they make you disappear from the face of the earth! wouldn't that be a victory to THEM ? what about the other SOME that is not evil, why do you deprive them of knowing the real you?

06-08-2005, 05:35 PM
Ahmad,

A "satanic" slogan!!

You are the perfect example of why religion and politics should not be intertwined.

In all conversations regarding world events, you continue to DRAG GOD AND SATAN INTO THE CONVERSATION.

I don't think they deserve that much attention regarding the current state of affairs in our nation and world.

Likewise, they most probably don't appreciate the fact that you can't separate them from current/world events.



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"If only SOME people are evil, should they make you disappear from the face of the earth! wouldn't that be a victory to THEM ? what about the other SOME that is not evil, why do you deprive them of knowing the real you?"


WTF? YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS ON THE WEB THAT THEY HAVE DISAPPEARED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH???

Certainly, you must be referring to all the people who are missing and have disappeared from the face of the earth!! Those whose pictures are on the back of milk cartons and otherwise. They, on the otherhand do have names and are not anonymous!!

As you can see, we are all anonymous behind our computer screens speaking to each other from all corners of the earth. I could tell you my name was GOD and what would make you believe me because you trust everyone???

So, you consider that anyone who uses an anonymous name on the internet has disappeared from the face of the earth and THEY have won!?!

Won what??

The other some (who are not evil) are being deprived of not knowing the real who?

A person is not their name. So, if I told you my name was SATAN, would that mean you now know the real me even though what I write and everything else you don't know about me is what defines my character and not my name?

So, now Ahmad, you know the REAL ME!! and I'm still;

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Ahmad
06-08-2005, 06:59 PM
In all conversations regarding world events, you continue to DRAG GOD AND SATAN INTO THE CONVERSATION!!!

I don't think they deserve that much attention regarding the current state of affairs in our nation and world.


peace,

It's like you are saying there is no spiritual battle going on, when there is nothing actually but this spiritual battle between evil and good.

Do you believe in God BA ?

06-08-2005, 08:13 PM
Ahmad wrote:
In all conversations regarding world events, you continue to DRAG GOD AND SATAN INTO THE CONVERSATION.

I don't think they deserve that much attention regarding the current state of affairs in our nation and world.


peace,

It's like you are saying there is no spiritual battle going on, when there is nothing actually but this spiritual battle between evil and good.

Do you believe in God BA ?

Evil and good does not involve a spiritual battle.

There are evil people in the White House and I don't give a DAMN whether they are spiritual, Christians, Satanists or not!! I don't care who or what causes anyone to be evil!! It is of no importance to me to distinguish why they behave or act as they do!! To blame GOD or SATAN for their motives is to alleviate them of responsibility for their own actions.

You are using GOD and SATAN as scapegoats.

GOD does not direct my ship. I do.

There are evil people who are atheists and good people who are atheists. There are evil people who are Christians and there are evil people who are not.

It doesn't matter your religion or what or whom you believe in.

There is good and evil in the world. PERIOD.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

P. S. As I said before, religion and politics are two separate matters. Therefore, I will not engage you in your effort to converse with me regarding my private spiritual and/or religious beliefs.

When the well-being of people all over the world is the issue, we all MUST put our religious beliefs aside and look at the greater cause for all of humanity.

Religion is used politically to divide.

Divide and conquer.

You are being distracted.

06-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Fear or fantasy!?! was the original question.

The answer is neither.

Just the exercising of my freedoms of speech, thought and expression.

Johnny_Reb
07-05-2005, 05:19 AM
You are the perfect example of why religion should be separated from church and state as per our founding fathers!!



The "wall of seperation between Church & state" was taken from a personal letter from Jefferson to another person (don't remember the name offhand). This was never meant to be used as a doctrine for interpretation of The Constitution. The 1st amendmendment states in plain english that any idiot ought to be able to understand "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof". Why is it so difficult for people to understand this? All it says is that Congress shall make no law establishing a state religion, or prohibiting anyone from practicing whatever their religion is.

07-05-2005, 05:46 AM
Johnny_Reb wrote:



You are the perfect example of why religion should be separated from church and state as per our founding fathers!!



The "wall of seperation between Church & state" was taken from a personal letter from Jefferson to another person (don't remember the name offhand). This was never meant to be used as a doctrine for interpretation of The Constitution. The 1st amendmendment states in plain english that any idiot ought to be able to understand "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof". Why is it so difficult for people to understand this? All it says is that Congress shall make no law establishing a state religion, or prohibiting anyone from practicing whatever their religion is.



As I stated above, "you are the perfect example of WHY religion should be separated from church and state."

"WHY" is the operative word here.

It depends on one's interpretation of what the founding father's meant:

If the separation debate is about nothing else, it is about history, in particular, what the founders of America believed about the role of religion in public life. Separationists believe that the founders intended to separate church and state by depriving the state of its power to either aid or hinder religion. Accomodationists believe that the state retains that power (with certain limitations), and so is constitutionally able to advance religion as a moral good.

My opinion is that GOD and Politics are two separate issues and should remain that way.

But, hey, that's just my opinion.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Ahmad
07-05-2005, 08:50 AM
peace,

I believe that separating the church (in its positive sense) from the state is a grave mistake, it's like living a dual life, schizofrenia.

But afterall, separation between state & people is the real issue here, in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia there is a noticeable gap between the controlling regime and the controlled.

What i want to say is that the State & the people were ONE, and the people & THEIR church should be also ONE.

It is a satanic idea i believe to assign different aspects of life to institutions, because in this way the people lose control of parts of THEIR lives, they become dependant on these institutional parents to take care of them, perhaps they need their time for more important things than managing their lives!.

Ahmad

07-05-2005, 09:48 AM
This is what I have to say, Ahmad and the example can be taken from this thread.

When ONE decides to discuss the role of religion inside of politics, and with there being so MANY different belief systems throughout our world then the focus shifts from what our politicians/leaders/we, as a people, should be confronting in order to achieve the best possible life for each individual here on Planet Earth regardless of whether or not you or I believe in a GOD.

Our discussion here on this thread has been "distracted" to whether or not I believe in a GOD and that, my friend, is not going to benefit those who are dying in Africa from AIDS and starvation, those who are losing their freedoms to the Nazi government here in America and are infecting the rest of the world with their Octopus tentacles.

The President of the United States of America waged a war "unjustly" in the name of money, power and greed for the elitist cult who control most of us and informed the American public that GOD told him what he should do! If that is the case, well, then, his GOD certainly erred and I would prefer that the next President leave GOD out of politics.

One should be able to worship as they so desire, but government should not play upon the people's fears or religious beliefs in order to win seats as elected officials, and, unfortunately, in America, they do.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Oh, I forgot!!

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igwt
07-05-2005, 01:30 PM
It is written:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;
and unto God the things that are God's.

truebeliever
07-05-2005, 09:38 PM
Well, how ironic that my last post is about to agree in principal with Ahmed.

I agree with everything that Ahmed has stated...In PRINCIPAL.

But i am a single male with nothing to lose.

Also, what is your level of opposition to the Elite agenda? What are you exactly posting about?

The average kook here has NOTHING to fear.

As I am tempted at times to publish names and addresses of powerful "devients" in society I try to be discreet.

Ultimately, if we cower in fear, they have won.

Now that CC has finally plummetted to it's lowest levels of exchange, no one here as anything to lose.

As for keeping religion and politics seperate...how do you exactly EXCLUDE God and a set of moral principals which underpin society from your day to day life?

If we cannot speak freely of our God given moral principals which in effect prevent society from falling apart...which set of moral principals will you be expounding?

Christianity underpins the legal and political foundation of Western Civilization. You can only be truly secular when you have rid this foundation from everday life.

What will be the new moral underpinning of society then? Because you have to have something...and that my friends is exactly the point of seperating Church and State...God from the people...and that my friends is the plan.

Ahmed, some claim you a fraud. I have too. I think you're sincere in the end.

Good luck my friend. Anyone who respects the will of a supernatural power beyond the fallibility of human minds is in the end, a comrade in arms.

Best of luck Ahmed.

Ahmad
07-06-2005, 07:47 AM
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;

peace igwt,

please read this statement carefully and then read it again.

It simply means that if you are a real believer in God, you would attribute ALL things to God, which leaves nothing to Caesar !

However in the face of overwhelming power, one can just resist as much as he can, and never give in spiritually, that when we depend on God alone He may give us a way out.

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peace Truebeliever, it has been a long time, welcome back and farewell!

You know where i stand and what i invited you to, afterall you are totally free to follow whichever path you feel is right.

Good luck to you too my friend.

Ahmad

Bouncer
07-06-2005, 09:33 AM
Hello! If I may interject: the quote "Render unto God . . ." is attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. It was in response to a trick question that was intended to make him look foolish, or to get into trouble with the leadership of Rome. I doubt that this quote can support a whole doctrine of withholding taxes. Many people DO refuse to pay federal taxes for a number of reasons. Realize, though, that many of the dirty schemes and "Black Ops" to which they object are funded in secret and do not get an infusion from the federal budget.

07-06-2005, 09:42 AM
TB said,

As for keeping religion and politics seperate...how do you exactly EXCLUDE God and a set of moral principals which underpin society from your day to day life?

If we cannot speak freely of our God given moral principals which in effect prevent society from falling apart...which set of moral principals will you be expounding?

Christianity underpins the legal and political foundation of Western Civilization. You can only be truly secular when you have rid this foundation from everday life.

What will be the new moral underpinning of society then? Because you have to have something...and that my friends is exactly the point of seperating Church and State...God from the people...and that my friends is the plan.

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Do people not have a conscious without GOD? Is that what you are saying? People don't know what is right or wrong or how to act or behave without following a set of religious rules written out for them and drummed into their heads from "cradle to grave"

It's simple. If you believe GOD is good then model yourself with GOODNESS!! Trust yourself to know that what you believe is right or wrong can come from your own intelligence, your own conscious, your own heart.

Many don't!! They've been raised from "cradle to grave" to adhere to moral principals as outlined for them through the words of the one whom they worship.

They stand steadfast!! They do not waver and they do not change their opinions in most cases. So, they follow those within our political system whose beliefs mirror their religious principals. What they think is right or wrong. Abortion, etc. They are blinded and do not see that GOD's name is being used in VANE. (sp?)

One issue!! One vote!!

So, basically, you have a political system, not just in America, but abroad that in many cases is governed by a religious group.

To use God's name for the benefit of political/elitist control over the people is immoral. So, in effect, it is THEY who have NO MORALS or conscious.

Not the brainwashed religious sheeple, but the men who use GOD as their spokesperson to gain control over the massses.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

07-06-2005, 01:23 PM
Anyway, how did this thread go from Anonymity to religion?

ADHD? :)

or

Just one's feeling that GOD is the overriding force in all that we do?

Truebeliever, nice username. It kind of sticks with me.

Now, where the hell is JIMBO???

In Peace,
BlueAngel