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06-25-2005, 08:28 PM
is constantly pulled out to illustrate one point or another. We use it as a reference because everybody knows about it and knows what is meant. However most people only know the Hollywood version.

Like most people I learned of Nazi Germany and soaked up the required message of terrible evil, some of which may have been the case. However how much longer should we be deceived about the true course of that war, when it seems likely that Churchill, Roosevelt and international bankers forced that war?




Mr. Makow in his most recent article uses the analogy that the US is mimicing the Germans of 1930. Plenty wrong in society but is it a correct analogy?

06-26-2005, 10:54 AM
I don't believe that was the major point(s) in Dr. Makow's article.

In Peace,

06-26-2005, 11:58 AM
No, it wasn't the major point, it was an implied truism. Does anyone think that knowing something about WWII is useful, even as we take on the challenges of today? Are the two articles I sited relevant to today? Are they correct, or are there factual errors?

If we can't take on the truth of a terrible event 60 years ago, how can we figure out what is going on today?

06-26-2005, 02:24 PM
If the truth about WWII has been hidden from the public for decades, how can it not be relevant to today in OUR struggle to present the truth about history and current events?

Wars supply the wealthy elitists with power, gaining control over other countries, installing their puppet dictators and money.

The vast majority of people do not know that the Federal Reserve is a private institution and that the power of Congress to coin money was stripped from them during Woodrow Wilson's presidency. The taxpayers in this country are forced to borrow the money from the "cabal," those who own and operate the federal reserve banks to fund their wars and forced to pay them back with interest!!

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer!!

The deficit people!! The one we will be paying off and our children will be paying off for the rest of their lives with interest.

Most people don't read!! and, if they might, often times, the intellectuals do not write simply enough for them to understand.

To unravel the lies they have been forced to believe from cradle to grave is a most difficult task when the media is owned and operated by THEM!!

In Peace,

06-26-2005, 06:27 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
If the truth about WWII has been hidden from the public for decades, how can it not be relevant to today in OUR struggle to present the truth about history and current events?

Wars supply the wealthy elitists with power, gaining control over other countries, installing their puppet dictators and money.

The vast majority of people do not know that the Federal Reserve is a private institution and that the power of Congress to coin money was stripped from them during Woodrow Wilson's presidency. The taxpayers in this country are forced to borrow the money from the "cabal," those who own and operate the federal reserve banks to fund their wars and forced to pay them back with interest!!

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer!!

The deficit people!! The one we will be paying off and our children will be paying off for the rest of their lives with interest.

Most people don't read!! and, if they might, often times, the intellectuals do not write simply enough for them to understand.

To unravel the lies they have been forced to believe from cradle to grave is a most difficult task when the media is owned and operated by THEM!!

In Peace,

P. S. Of course, by calling it the "FEDERAL" reserve, the masses believe it is government owned and operated.

06-28-2005, 11:32 AM
Dr. Makow recently fielded a letter on the US/Germany of the 1930's example. Although I am fully aware of all of what that letter refers to, as many of us are, how much do we really know?

The real situation, in simplistic terms is that current day USA is likely in worse straits by it's own design than 1930's Germany. Did Germany, or even Hitler invite WWII? Do we really know?


The above link asserts that in 1939:

"Polish Bolsheviks kill 58,000 German civilians"

which precipitated Hitlers invasion. It also says that:

"Germany had protested in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results."

So if this is true, and the whole article has merit, along with the two other articles cited earlier in this thread, can we any longer accept our pre-conceived notions of recent history?

06-28-2005, 12:31 PM

If you're not referring to his most recent posted article, can you link me to it so that I may read it, together with the other link you provided???

I'd like to answer.

In Peace,

06-28-2005, 06:29 PM
Remembering the Lessons of Germany's Past by Chuck Baldwin

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Chuck Baldwin
June 16, 2005

For years, I struggled to comprehend how the good people of Germany could allow someone such as Adolph Hitler to lead them into what became World War II. After all, before Hitler's rise to power, Germany had a rich Christian heritage. The Reformation out of the Dark Ages had its roots deeply imbedded in Germany and surrounding countries.

Furthermore, Germany has long produced some of the most intelligent and creative people on the planet! Many of the world's greatest engineers and scientists have come from Germany and Austria. When it comes to knowledge and education, the Germanic people take a back seat to no one.

How, then, could the good, intelligent people of Germany follow and support someone such as Hitler? For years I struggled to find the answer to that puzzle. Now, I believe I understand.

Obviously, one does not gain the trust and confidence of people by portraying himself as a monster. Does anyone truly believe that the German people would have supported Hitler if they had thought he was some kind of ogre? As with most leaders, Hitler preached faith, family, and patriotism. His speeches were laced with references to God. He personally claimed Christ to be his Savior. Even his adopted Nazi symbol was created around the Christian cross. As far as the German people were concerned, Adolph Hitler was loyal to historic, conservative Christian values. Why should they have thought otherwise?

However, it did not take long for Hitler to begin turning Germany from an independent, peaceful republic into an aggressive global empire. And it is at this point that the German people, and especially the German church, must share culpability for Hitler's sins.

First, On March 23, 1933, the newly elected members of the Reichstag (the German Parliament) met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler's "Erm䣨tigungsgesetz" or, The "Enabling Act." This Act was officially called the "Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich."

Opponents of the "Enabling Act" rightly warned that, if adopted, the Act would make Hitler a de facto dictator. They worried that the Act would dismantle constitutional liberties. History would prove that their worries were valid.

At the time, however, it was anything but certain that Hitler would prevail in convincing German lawmakers to pass his "Enabling Act." Then, suddenly, terrorists struck the Reichstag building.

After the Reichstag was burned on February 28, 1933, President Hindenburg and Hitler invoked Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permitted the suspension of civil liberties during national emergencies. As a result, freedom of the press, free expression of opinion, individual property rights, right of assembly and association, right to privacy of postal and electronic communications, states' rights of self-government, and protection against unlawful searches and seizures were suspended. Shortly afterward, the "Enabling Act" was passed, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Of course, historians have widely speculated that it was Nazis, themselves, that had set the fire in order to facilitate passage of the "Enabling Act" and ensconce Hitler as Germany's Fuhrer. No one knows for sure who burned the Reichstag, but what we do know is that Hitler used that act of terrorism to gain the support of the people as a "wartime president."

The German people were convinced that their country was under attack and that Hitler was the leader who could protect them. Consider the statement of one of Hitler's most trusted cabinet members, Hermann Goering, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." (Source: Transcript of Nuremberg Trials)

Compare Goering's statement to former Attorney General John Ashcroft who, in defending the USA Patriot Act (which does much the same thing as Hitler's "Enabling Act") said, "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve." (Source: Press Report, Center for Public Integrity)

Is it only a coincidence (or a repeat of history) that Republicans have introduced a bill in Congress to nullify the 22nd Amendment thereby opening the door for President George W. Bush to become permanent president? (Source: U.S. House of Representatives, H.J. Res. 24 "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution" introduced February 17, 2005.)

Add to H.J. Res. 24 the World Net Daily report that "A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term, says the official story about the collapse of the Twin Towers is 'bogus' and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed them and adjacent Building No. 7."

WND quotes Reynolds as stating further, "Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

Whether the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down via "an inside job" or not, one thing is certain: the attacks of September 11, 2001 became the catalyst that propelled Congressmen to quickly pass the USA Patriot Act even though none of them had read it.

Much is being made over the fact that on Wednesday of this week, the House of Representatives removed some "sneak and peek" features regarding public libraries from the Patriot Act. Of course, President Bush is livid and is threatening to veto the bill without that segment of the Act included. However, what few people seem to notice is that a host of egregiously unconstitutional abridgments of freedom remain intact in the Patriot Act.

Under the Patriot Act, government agents can conduct searches in your home or business and search your belongings without informing you and without a court order. Government agents are permitted to arrest and detain individuals and to hold them indefinitely, without being charged with a crime, and without being allowed access to an attorney. In other words, the Patriot Act (like Hitler's "Enabling Act") expunges our Fourth Amendment protections against illegal searches and seizures and our right to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects.

Furthermore, the Patriot Act (like Hitler's "Enabling Act") destroys our Fifth Amendment right to be held for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, without an indictment of a grand jury. The Patriot Act also eviscerates a citizen's constitutional right of Habeas Corpus.

The point is, as with Hitler's Germany, so, too, the American people, and especially America's churches, are willingly and enthusiastically surrendering constitutional liberties in order to accommodate President Bush's desires for authoritarian power as a "wartime president."

Consider, too, Hitler's invasion of Germany's neighbors. People cheered as German troops attacked other nations. And even though those nations had not participated in any attack against Germany, Hitler had convinced people that preemptive attacks against those nations were necessary as they would make Germany "more secure." Does this or does this not sound just like President Bush's justification for invading Iraq?

Once again, please remember that the German people believed Hitler to be a patriotic, Christian man. As a result, Hitler had the unflinching support of Germany's conservative Christian ministers. How else would they be persuaded to follow Hitler into the nightmare of the Nazi regime?

Remember, also, that to most German ministers, the Nazi Party was "God's Party." They really believed they were being faithful to God by being faithful to Hitler. Therefore, should we not be concerned today when we hear of Christian ministers excommunicating church members who do not support President Bush or the Republican Party? Should not "red flags" go up in our minds when we hear Christian ministers excuse Bush's unconstitutional conduct by proclaiming, "Bush is God's man for America, therefore, we cannot criticize him!"?

Yes, my friends, it is now obvious to me how Adolph Hitler seized power in Germany, because the same principles that Hitler used in the 1930's are being used by America's leaders today.

Am I saying that I believe President Bush is another Hitler? Of course not. I am saying, however, that the same tactics and strategies being used by President Bush are eerily similar to those of the former German leader's. Certainly, we all pray for a fate far better than that of Hitler's Germany. But to obtain a better future for America, it is obligatory that we remember the lessons of Germany's past.

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. In 1985, the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence.

While he originally planned on a career in law enforcement, Chuck "answered the divine call to Gospel ministry" and decided instead to attend Bible school. He ultimately earned his Bachelor's and Master's degrees in theology, and was later awarded two honorary doctorates in the field.

He is the host of Chuck Baldwin Live, a daily, two hour long radio call-in show on the events of the day. In addition to writing two books of theology ? "Subjects Seldom Spoken On" and "This Is The Life" ? he has edited and produced "The Freedom Documents," a collection of fifty of the greatest documents of American history.

In 2004, Chuck was the vice presidential nominee for the Constitution Party. Chuck, 52, and his wife Connie are the parents of three children and grandparents of six.

? Copyright 2005 by Chuck Baldwin

06-29-2005, 10:38 PM
An understanding of the rise of Nazi Germany, who financed it and the methods used to march the German people into Dictatorship and utterly debased criminal behaviour against fellow human beings is the lesson par excellance directly applicable to unfolding events.

There was NO holocaust against the Jewish people in Europe...murder, intimidation and scapegoating leading to the deaths of 500,000-1.5 million, mostly from starvation and disease (typhus) there most certainly was. The Poles copt it much worse and the Einzatsgruppen in the East were positively barbarian at times...beyond simple murder. Whatever your view...Hitler was a murderer. So was Stalin. So was Churchill. So was ALL of Bomber Command and people like Robert McNamara who was a part of the State mechanism which firebombed over half of Japans cities to cinders with millions of women and children buried under the ashes.

If we must have a "holocaust"...The holocaust happened to the 27 million dead Russians from Hitler and the other 40-50 million from Stalin. All thanks to the banking and financial Elite of Europe and the U.K.

WW2 was simply a holocaust and a direct lesson on the surface, of what happens when the State apparatus falls into the hands of an Elite few combined with a population who wish to remain ignorent and safe in the Garden of Eden where a loving Father will think for them and tell them right from wrong.

If we probe a little deeper we find that the Elite few are not Hitler, Stalin and their various hangers on but the Financial and Business Elite who provided the funding and technical apparatus to propel these front men to the top and unleashed a holocaust on the people of Europe and central Asia.

The EXACT same dynamics are unfolding today. This time however, the technological means are available to TOTALLY enslave humanity...permenantly.

Understand the financing of Hitler and Stalin and you have a blueprint for today.

Read Anthony Sutton with regards the financing and technological transfers to the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Get a hold of Bill Stills "The Money Masters" doco.

Bill Stills excellent, well referenced work...NWO-Ancient Plan Of Secret Societies.

There are hundreds more.

06-30-2005, 07:43 AM
I think the author's article is an excellent piece, if true, and draws a fine comparison between Hitler and the current criminals within our government/military and the path of destruction for all of mankind which they have embarked upon for decades!!

The blind have followed blindly like sheep behind them, but not of our own doing. A massive campaign of deceit and destruction has been waged upon us from again, "cradle to grave."

Certainly, the BEASTS must present themselves to the public as honest, trustworthy, GOD-fearing Christains.

Afterall, a criminal doesn't, in most cases, speak of his crimes and allow others to see his dark side and risk incarceration.

On another note, I asked, "why do they want to exterminate their own kind?"

Uproot them, put them all in one location. Seize their property, belongings, wealth and transfer it to Swiss bank accounts.

Less desireables?

Or, perhaps, just population control. Too many of them.

We just had a Supreme Court ruling which makes way for land developers to seize our property for their own interests.

"UPROOTING, displacement. We are no longer safe in our own homes.

In Peace,

06-30-2005, 09:19 AM
Mr. Makow's article has brought tears to my eyes, not only because he included links that reference the satanic cult who has most of our country under their "mind control" SPELL, but because he has also included links to the stories of individuals who have been used by these perverted pedophiles; these men without scruples as slaves for prostitution, sex rings, pornography and for various other criminal activities.

However, most important was his reference to the "cabal's" goal in gaining complete control and submission over all of us through the use of indirect mind control techniques which have been perpetrated upon the masses for decades.

Mind control, whether applied directly while incarcerated in one of their programs or through the use of secret, silent and invisible weapons is one of the most grievous acts committed upon not only the American people, but all of mankind, by those in our country who were elected to protect us and do not.

Certainly, had the citizen's of Iraq surrendered to the "unjust" invasion of their country by those corrupt leaders in Washington, the advancement of the NWO and their penetration into Syria, Iran and Lebanon would have been on schedule. This, the reason, they cannot PULL OUT! This, the reason, the suicide bombings and casualties are accelerating. This, the reason, they have said it is a terrorist training ground. This, the reason, they have said Al Qaeda is responsible for the most recent attack on a convoy of Marines.

Creating ORDER out of CHAOS!!

The people of this country are subdued. They continue about their business afraid to speak out. They have been conditioned not to question, but to TRUST!! They have been misled through decades of deceipt, deception and distortion so that the criminals in control of America can continue on their path of destruction. Protecting themselves and stripping us of our freedoms so that we will not have recourse against them.

Our government continues to kill and wound more and more innocent men, women and children on a daily basis. They have no regard for human life!! This is quite obvious if one chooses to open their eyes to the truth and realize that the American people and the world have been lied to from cradle to grave.

It is time to rewrite history with the FACTS about those who masquerade as American patriots in positions of power but have no allegiance to anyone or any country, America included, other than those who belong to their CULT!! They have used our symbols of FREEDOM to their advantage and our disadvantage!! Their goal is to silence all of us against them and to lead America into a Third World Country.

Unleashing viruses, rolling black-outs already tested, threat of more terrorist attacks. These, their typical SCARE TACTICS upon the public, which subconsciously causes a transference of power to the corrupt leaders as the citizen's in a state of FEAR look to them for protection. Faith and trust has been placed in the criminals who control all of U.S. through mind manipulation using their weapons of choice; publishing, media, and "covert" tactics.

They have used their "military industrial complex," the men and women who joined the armed services to fight to keep America free as THIER killing machines. They have betrayed not only our country and the world, but those who have given of their lives for a war that was based on LIES!!! America was not in imminent danger of an attack!! This has been proven!!!

It is time for us to know the correct number of those killed in action and those who have been wounded. It is time that the American people SEE with their own eyes the men and women who have lost limbs, eyes and are paralyzed due to the actions of the REAL terrorists and "war criminals" who occupy some of the highest levels of government and military positions within our country. Those who have killed and wounded thousands of Iraqi citizen's without "just" cause and are killing our military men and women as well as those allies who were forced to participate in this war.

They are fighting and dying in Iraq for the power mongers who have never served in any branch of the military and whose children are most times exempt!!

Martial Law is the only way that our President can protect himself from prosecution!!

In Peace,

06-30-2005, 09:42 AM
I found that to be a very "enlightening" article.

The writer states explicitly that he is not saying George W. Bush is Hitler and that is a very good point to make because when comparing this current administration to the Nazi party and/or Hitler, people who oppose this view, often times gasp in disbelief. Another Hitler!!! Of course not!!

They are correct. There could never be another Hitler, but that isn't what causes the gasp. It's the fact that most Americans cannot conceive that our government is evil. Only other countries have "brutal dictators."

True history has been hidden from all of us and, I assume that what I just read is not public knowledge. Certainly, it is not in our public school's history books. So, I believe the article allows an excellent analogy to be made between the Nazi Party, Hitler and our current administration. The similarities are staring one right in the face. So, whether or not you believe our government is of the Nazi Party, Fascist Party, Totalitarian, it doesn't matter. They are following in Hitler's footsteps. The article defines that.

We see that!! Freedoms being stripped, search and seizure, property taken, etc., etc., etc.

We have been born into a society that suppresses truth so our reality has been created for us by them, again, from cradle to grave and it is not reality at all.

Everything we thought we knew we don't. Every citizen in this country must re-learn what they thought was right, but that which is wrong!!

And, that's up to the intellectuals and researchers who have been investigating this "cabal" for decades.

Our brains have been scrambled and it is difficult to assimilate and replace fiction with fact. One does not realize when they have been brainwashed. It occurs over time. Not in one session. Again, from cradle to grave is their motto!!! Keep the masses in a dream-like state from cradle to grave!! False hopes and promises!!

I know that someone in my past etched a swastika on my chest and said, "there, you're one of us now." You can't see it very well unless you have the correct lighting. Blacklight, flourescent. Could have been one of the grotesque so-called Nazi/German rocket scientists as they were touted to the public.

I never noticed the etchings on my skin until I awoke out of this "deep sleep" and started discovering my body almost like it was for the first time!! I was being directed to various parts of my body and realizing that I had been "branded," marked for life, carved. To say the least, I was shocked. How? How could this be and that I didn't know these markings existed until 46 years later??

Anyway, the words, "they're all a bunch of Nazi's" repeats from the past. I do believe our
"corrupt" leaders have modeled THEIR government much the same as Hitler.

I didn't learn the history that everyone else in school was studying. I was told the truth by someone, by them, overhearing, not sure, and I'm still trying to decipher it all.

Knowing they were "evil" as a small child was quite frightening. I knew what other children didn't know. I knew what other adults didn't know. It was hard to swallow and live with.

I do know that they desire a "fascist" state. A Totalitarian government. A "One World Order" and that the demolition of the TOWERS were planned decades ago and, thus, the acceleration of stripping us of our rights through the Patriot Act. When our country was acting in a time of crisis, Congress signed without reading.

Habeas Corpus rings a bell.

The people will be left without due process!!

Certainly, doesn't appear that the Supreme Court wants to protect us either!!

Perhaps, slowly our society, our world can evolve into the one that we all imagine!!

In Peace,

In a time of great crisis, the people must not surrender or retreat, but come together in peace for the good of all mankind.

P. S. The board is yours!! Back to the ironing I never started yesterday!!