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Ahmad
11-30-2004, 08:49 AM
In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful

Peace all,


The truth of the matter is that we are all oppressed, our choice is limited to the options our leaders throw us, however, we have the most important weapon of all, Belief in God.

When the moment of truth comes, everybody's true convinction will be exposed, some have already lost the battle, fear has engulfed them.

Others know that only God can harm or benefit, nobody and nothing else has any REAL power or control, they know that the visible illusion is just a test to expose those who chose blindness to the truth.

[4:76] Those who believe are fighting for the cause of GOD, while those who disbelieve are fighting for the cause of tyranny.
Therefore, you shall fight the devil's allies;
the devil's power is nil.

Our main enemy is Satan himself, he is not a fictional character, he is alive and kicking. It all started with his challenge to God's master plan,

-Enemy Number One

[43:62] Let not the devil repel you; he is your most ardent enemy.

-God created Adam from a lower material (mud) than Satan's material (smokless fire, i.e:some kind of energy), God knew that Satan has developed an ego and turned arrogant of his powers instead of being gratefull to their Creator, so God in order to expose him ordered him to fall prostrate (to serve) Adam. Ofcourse with his inflated ego, Satan refused, all other angels readily obeyed God.

[7:11] We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

[7:12] He said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you?"
He said, "I am better than he;
You created me from fire, and created him from mud."


-Satan hates the human being because he thinks Adam was the cause of his eviction from Heaven, (he never admits that his ego is the real reason!)

[17:62] He said, "Since You have honored him over me, if You respite me till the Day of Resurrection, I will possess all his descendants, except a few."

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The above scene that happened in outer space (in Heaven), resulted in the eviction of Satan, his descendants (the Jinn beings) and all of us (because we were duped by Satan to relate a power to the forbidden tree (a symbol of all visible life elements) independent of God, thus we idolized it and took Satan as a master, later Adam (symbol of all humanity) repented and God accepted his repentance, but yet he was given a make up test (life on earth) to redeem himself completely from the doubts in God's absolute power, he was given the responsbility (the freedom of choice).

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Now why do i bring all of these details here? because Satan from day one was determined on taking revenge of his enemy, the human being, that's the reason behind all the bloodshed on earth, a fact confirmed when the angels wondered at why God will give Satan a dominion with the power to control (only those who follow him),

[2:30] Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative (a temporary god) on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know."

God said that He knows what they don't know!

God knows that the deal with Satan is to give him the power to entice and dupe the people into idolizing things and people (the visible illusion) to distract them from God and the Truth.

[4:120]He promises them and entices them; what the devil promises is no more than an illusion.

[6:32]The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?!

God meant (the visible life with Satan demsonstrating his polytheistic ideas) as a test for everybody, the good and the bad.

As for the bad who get enslaved by their sinful lusts to Satan, he gains total control over them. As for the good (this is what only God knew), they will eventually realize the terrible costs of following Satan (famine, disease, war and suffering...etc) and will denounce him and his followers, and break free from the illusion of Satan's power.

The moment of truth:

Now this whole master plan is unfolding infront of our eyes, awarness of Satan's vicius schemes is mounting, however we must be prepared for the moment of truth.

When it comes, your response will be one of two, if you are still stuck in the visible illusion (of weapons of mass destruction, Government's power....etc) you will lose, but if you have succesfuly freed yourself and recognized that ONLY GOD HAS POWER TO benefit or harm you, you will be a winner God willing.

What happened in the time of Muhammad give us a good example:

[33:22] When the true believers saw the parties (ready to attack), they said, "This is what GOD and His messenger have promised us, and GOD and His messenger are truthful."This (dangerous situation) only strengthened their faith and augmented their submission.

[33:32] Among the believers there are people who fulfill their pledges with GOD. Some of them died, while others stand ready, never wavering.

[33:24] GOD will surely recompense the truthful for their truthfulness, and will punish the hypocrites, if He so wills, or redeem them. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[33:25] GOD repulsed those who disbelieved with their rage, and they left empty-handed. GOD thus spared the believers any fighting. GOD is Powerful, Almighty.

[33:26] He also brought down their allies among the people of the scripture from their secure positions, and threw terror into their hearts. Some of them you killed, and some you took captive.

[33:27] He made you inherit their land, their homes, their money, and lands you had never stepped on. GOD is in full control of all things.

Kinergy
11-30-2004, 11:19 PM
Who are his minions on earth though? Since we can only do battle directly with other people, I think we need to *correctly* identify those groups of people who go against nature and morality and take control away from the people to determine their own futures.

I think those groups are something like:
* Council on Foreign Relations
* The Federal Reserve
* Bildeberg Group
* Probably at least 75% of the media elites
* Fabian Society
* Probably the European Union leaders
* Globalists of the New World Order

Probaby a lot more I'm missing here.

Ahmad
12-01-2004, 05:48 AM
Peace Kinergy,

Actually you are missing 99% of them!.
His minions are all the untruthfull people on earth. All those who LET their Jinn companions take over their minds and bodies without resisting.
The body and mind of the Human being is designed by God to be controlled by the Human soul, however the majority give in to the domineering Jinn companions who are more on the side of Satan (they use us to gratify their sinful pleasures like Marrionete) thus what they project are not their realselves but their Jinn companions, these Jinn-controlled people are more dead than alive (God calls them the Liars).
They are those who feel driven, out of control most of the time (if you read some interviews with Ted Bundy, you may notice how he gradually gave in to his companion's control, untill his real self completely vanished underneath).
Nobody can kill his brother in humanity in cold blood (without being controlled by his devilish Jinn companion)
Nobody can enslave his brother in humanity except those controlled by their Jinn companions, they perfectly demonstrate the scene when Satan said to God (I am better than Adam).

You can recognize them from their arrogant, robotic, emotionless, theatrical way of talking. Some can recognize them just from their looks.
To focus on only the categories you mentioned , serves a satanic cause,and cover up on the subtle controllers, manipulators, liars all around us.

[47:30] If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk. GOD is fully aware of all your works.

Ahmad
12-01-2004, 06:36 AM
As for the categories you mentioned, all i can say now is that we don't have the means to fight them directly as the early believers did (we can only withdraw as much as we can from the satanic systems meant to enslave us, spread the truth and most importantly stay steadfast, fearless, full of faith in God's absolute power).

For example, Muhammad (the last prophet, not the last messenger)* started delivering his inspired Quran to the tribe of Mecca, and called them to return to pure monotheism and discard the worship of idols beside God (they worshipped idols, and believed they are the daughters of God!), these Meccans (the tribe of Quraish) actually where practicing a distorted version of the religion of Abraham (Submission), they did the contact prayers (but not to God alone, but to God+idols), and did worship at the shrine of God (Kaaba).
However all their works were nullified because of idolworship (the only unforgivable sin in Quran, setting partners reverenced beside God). Same as what happend with Jesus happened to Muhammad, the people first rediculed him, and said what is this crazy guy who wants to make the gods One God!, then gradually the persecution evolved into life threats, bullying, violence. The Meccans were in full control of all the systems of Mecca (Trade, dominant culture..etc), same as the situation of the world now.
So what did Muhammad and the few followers do? they had to emigrate to another small city (called Medina or City in Arabic), slowly but surely, God supported them in numbers and power untill they reached a state where they could challenge the Meccans and restore God's shrine back to the pure religion of Submission (One God ALONE).

[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.

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What happened next is that God granted Victory to the Submitters over the Meccans (who surrendered at the arrival of the bythen powerfull Submitters).

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Another profound example that God teaches us in Quran is the Children of Israel, who fled from the persecution of Pharaoh, lead by Moses,

[2:49] Recall that we saved you from Pharaoh's people who inflicted upon you the worst persecution, slaying your sons and sparing your daughters. That was an exacting test from your Lord.

[7:137] We let the oppressed people inherit the land, east and west, and we blessed it. The blessed commands of your Lord were thus fulfilled for the Children of Israel, to reward them for their steadfastness, and we annihilated the works of Pharaoh and his people and everything they harvested.

As you can see from the above examples, Victory is guaranteed for the submitters.

how to become a submitter?

the first pillar of Submission is (I bear witness that: There is no god except God), the first half means that you should first denounce all the satanic ideas in your mind that anything or anyone has any power on its own, independent of God, or to make it more clear, to reach a conviction that Only God can harm or benefit you, to break free from the visible illusion, all the organizations you mentioned have ZERO power, their image is meant as a test for you, nothing more and nothing less.

Then after you remove all the false centers, false gods from your mind (money, outer appearances, powerfull armies..etc) you are now ready to proclaim out loud that ONLY God has power, and submit to HIm alone.

At that moment you will lose all fear, all obsessions, addictions. (the five other pillars of Submission, Contact prayer, fasting, Pilgrimage,Obligatory charity) are only meant to keep you in this state of mind untill your time comes.

If you look closely at the series of global events, you will find that Satan is trying his best to stain and give a bad name to Islam (Submission in english), ofcourse the modern Islam is actually satanic, however Satan knows that Submission (the real one of Abraham) is the biggest threat to his kingdom, just imagine millions of FREE people who are fearless of anything or anyone except God! how dangerous would they be for Satan's kingdom of darkness.

I know that embracing Submission (Islam in Arabic), and i mean ofcourse the original version is difficult because of the propaganda, but rest assured that this is the call of God, it's not my call, i just deliver. God inspired me to UNITE the submitters around the world in one united nation as a first step, what comes next will be one of two (emigration to a free place) or direct victory from God, i am waiting for this year to end to assess the prophecies that you may find on my website, untill then, i will try my best to unite the sincere around One God, one book, one religion God willing.

**Don't let the devil short circuit you at the word "Islam"!**


[3:139] You shall not waver, nor shall you grieve, for you are the ultimate victors, if you are believers.
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[110:1] When triumph comes from GOD, and victory.
[110:2] You will see the people embracing GOD's religion in throngs.
[110:3] You shall glorify and praise your Lord, and implore Him for forgiveness. He is the Redeemer.

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[46:31] "O our people, respond to the call of GOD, and believe in Him. He will then forgive your sins, and spare you a painful retribution."

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* A prophet is a messenger who delivers a scripture.

sablefish
12-01-2004, 08:13 PM
Kinergy... I like what you are sayin'... Not that I am against ahmad's point of view.

rangergord
12-02-2004, 02:28 AM
Chapter by chapter and verse by verse else I can say pretty much what I want and still tell the truth.

sablefish
12-02-2004, 04:56 PM
Jeeze.. I think I'll just cut and paste the entire Bible into one message.. Aside from that.. I think that Satan is some kind of other dimensional being.. I think his first contact point is with the Rothschilds.. I have read that they occasionally set a place for him at the diner table. Perhaps because of inbreeding they are able to channel him.

I suspect the dark power then goes out to other family members of the multinational banking cartel. The FED is one of Satans bastions.. I figure he would be very close to the source of money and unearned wealth created by usury.. If you look at the stockholders of the FED you will notice that they are all involved in the profits of death or suffering. These are the same corporations that control our national press.. Our government is owned by corporations, they are the people that create organizations like the Council On Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commissions.. We citizens are their slaves, The only reason that they let us vote is that it makes us responsible for the debts they create in our name.. We and our ancestors are slaves to the ruler of this world. The only way out of it is to renounce all material possessions and listen to and follow the path that God puts in front of us.

rangergord
12-02-2004, 05:21 PM
I've always liked this. Don't know how accurate, don't know if it applies exactly ... what the heck.

These Terrorists Are Known!!
-- Bankers, Politicians, Lawyers and Priests --
-- BEWARE!! --
A while back, some time ago, a peaceable man, a patriot, and political activist, an itinerant, underemployed Aramaic handyman by the name of Eshoo ben Yosep, who got nailed to a tree for bucking the establishment by carrying a message of Truth and Love and Hope and Peace to the people of his land and to the world, had this to say about the bankers, priests, lawyers of his day, as he was traipsing about the temple [the seat of government and of the money changers] talking with the people gathered there ....... The Priests, the Pharisees, and Scribes were the bankers, politicians, and lawyers then, the political establishment, as they still are in much of the Muslim and Jewish world, and whether we like it or not, are alive and well in our world in the Good Ol' USofA.

A correct translation of Matthew 23 from the original Aramaic, in context ...

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scholars and Pharisees occupy the chair of Moses. This means you're supposed to observe and follow everything they tell you. But don't do what they do; after all, they're all talk and no action. They invent heavy burdens and lay them on folks' shoulders, but they themselves won't lift a finger to move them. Everything they do, they do for show. So they widen their phylacteries and enlarge their tassels. They love the best couches at banquets and prominent seats in synagogues and respectful greetings in marketplaces, and they like to be called 'Rabbi' by everyone. But you are not to be called 'Rabbi'; after all, you only have one teacher, and all of you belong to the same family. And don't call anyone on earth 'father,' since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven. You are not to be called 'instructors,' because you have only one instructor, the Anointed. Now whoever is greater than you will be your slave. Those who promote themselves will be demoted and those who demote themselves will be promoted.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You slam the door of Heaven's domain in people's faces. You yourselves don't enter, and you block the way of those trying to enter.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You scour land and sea to make one convert, and when you do, you make that person more of a child of Hell than you are.

"Damn you, you blind guides who claim: 'When you swear by the temple, it doesn't matter, but when you swear by the treasure in the temple, it is binding.' You blind fools, which is greater, the treasure or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You go on: 'When you swear by the altar, it doesn't matter, but when you swear by the offering that lies on the altar, it is binding.' You sightless souls, which is greater, the offering or the altar that makes the offering sacred? So when you swear by the altar, you swear by the altar and everything on it. And anyone who swears by the temple, swears by the temple and the one who makes it home, and anyone who swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and the one who occupies it.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You pay tithes on mint and dill and cumin too, but ignore the really important matters of the Law, such as justice and mercy and trust. You should have attended to the last, without ignoring the first. You blind leaders! You strain out a gnat and gulp down a camel.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You wash the outside of cups and plates, but inside they are full of greed and dissipation. You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and then the outside will be clean too.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You are like whitewashed tombs: on the outside they look beautiful, but inside they are full of dead bones and every kind of decay. So you too look like decent people on the outside, but on the inside you are doing nothing but posturing and subverting the Law.

"You scholars and Pharisees, you impostors! Damn you! You erect tombs to the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous and claim: 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we wouldn't have joined them in spilling the prophets' blood. So, you witness against yourselves: You are descendents of those who murdered the prophets, and you're the spitting image of your ancestors. You serpents! You spawn of Satan! How are you going to escape Hell's judgment? Look, that is why I send you prophets and sages and scholars. Some you're going to kill and crucify, and some you're going to beat in your synagogues and hound from city to city. As a result there will be on your heads all the innocent blood that has been shed on the earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Baruch, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I swear to you, all these things are going to rain down on this generation.

After having said his piece to the people, and having placed his curse upon the bankers, politicians and lawyers of his day, he left the temple... and you know the rest of the story....

That fellow had the truth then, as it is now!! Damn Them!

sablefish
12-02-2004, 09:40 PM
rangergord..good one.

wildel
12-05-2004, 04:03 PM
I have to agree with the above. Just plain and simple then as it is now....

So Blind then, So Blind now....

:(

marypopinz
12-06-2004, 06:45 PM
Same shite, different day

And there's that story about the monkeys on the Pacific Isles somewhere. This is a real story.

There was a monkey who figured out how to open a coconut. Some of his buddies followed suit quickly and learned. Others were slower on the take. And...

Monkey's on differing islands were figuring out the same principle. And...

Mystically, miraculously, there came a point when that magic 100th monkey learned the secret and this created an entire shift in consciousness.

All the monkeys on all the islands just knew that you smashed a coconut on a rock to open it up...

Good ol' Henry is starting a shift in consciousness whether he knows or not... I'm sure he does. Or at the very least, he, like many of us, has prayed for just such a thing.

For people to wake up and recognize the truth.
If you live a lie, you are easily conned.
If you follow the truth, as it flows from your compassion and understanding...

One thousand years of peace could be possible...
Not the same shite, not the same day

Iraqi women cry and pray
Begging God for just another day
When a page in history turns
Ignorance will certainly learn
The truth will be forall to see

mary XXX

sablefish
12-06-2004, 10:39 PM
Cool.. I like your shite. (I hope that is not a slam against some splinter of Islam).. I prefer sh*t

We must be sensitive as this is an international forum.. I am not a moderator or anything other than a truth seeker with too much time on his hands... Fishing season is over, and it's warm and comfy here in the house, next to the 'puter.. That's the only reason I am posting so much, along with the belief that this site is real close to being about the truth of the real situation in the world... so there you go.

Daniel
12-07-2004, 06:02 AM
Great story Mary,

Might I also suggest Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach. I consider it a must read if your into higher consciousness.

KPAX
12-07-2004, 06:45 AM
There is only one enemy plain and simple.
The Illuminati elite.
The ONLY paradigm is the Illuminati Elite VS Humanity.
Humanity without them would flourish and prosper.
There would be no war because we wouldn't have them as a hidden third party financing and manipulating both sides of a conflict to result in a outcome they desire.
They and their minions must be identified and isolated or eliminated.
80% of us are trying to make a civilization and live in peace.
The remaining 20% are made up of the hard core suppressives and their duped and misguided minions.
WE CAN WIN!
WE ARE THE MAJORITY!
ALL WE NEED TO DO IS WAKE UP THE REST OF HUMANITY!

sablefish
12-11-2004, 11:16 AM
KPAC.. Yep They and the satanic force behind them. I think "something for nothing "(unearned wealth) is the source of the greed and evil that they dispense worldwide. They have given themselves the privilege of printing gold.. out of thin air.

marypopinz
12-11-2004, 01:21 PM
sable, not a slam intended, no offence meant. British mums in my area whould say shite as opposed to shit, in front of the kids.

Thanx for the compliment! And it's not my story. O cool dude from Streetfeat - the voice of the poor, a local very small paper who shouts for the power and the oppressed, told me that one.

Thought it was a great story based on reality...

Sh*t it is. It is sincerely not my intention to offend anyone.

Peace

Mary :-D

marypopinz
12-11-2004, 01:30 PM
Daniel. I agree. Read the Seagul, and read it and read it. Then I read everything that Bach wrote. Maybe there is something wrong with me?

He has an interesting and most enlightening perception on life which is so close to reality, it is reality, just a lot of people are not able to recognize this fact. Dumbed down.

They have been brainwashed through an education system created by who? The devil himself. A very Nazi regime indeed, going after the kids, diverting our attention towards materialism and away from family.

Another book at the top of my list is The Alchemist By Paulo Coello(I think).

Amazingly inspiring book!!!! A MUST READ!!!


Mary XXXXXX

marypopinz
12-11-2004, 01:38 PM
KPAX

Dude read the thread Max has an excellant idea and start writing URL's on the paper money. This idea has already spread to a few rebels in three countries I know of... we could start a trend!

i.e. stopthewar.org, clubconspiracy.com, savethemales.ca, 911thruth.org


Get the picture?
Deface their worthless currency with a site of truth!

Get doodling
Mary XXXX :-D
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: Justice

If you need some motivation. Read the sex abuse thread and learn how former Minister of Justice of Newfoundland raped dude's 12 year old sister and the RCMP are refusing to do DNA on his possibility of parenting two such children, from this child.

karo
12-11-2004, 06:41 PM
I have basically the same views on all Illuminati stuff, bankers, CFR, Pharisees, Satanists, etc... That's why i'm here, after all. But the title of this thread reminds me of something i deem important, Enemy-wise.

Most of the time ,probably like majority here, i feel enraged when i see some new suffering, war and disasters i think are caused by these people. I've practically stopped believing in natural occurences of 'natural disasters' - no, it's only "Damn Americans, f****ng HAARP, damn Russians, f****ng ELF weapons!".
In fact, even when it's not their direct action, it's undoubtedly an effect of their previous tamperings somewhere else, that much i know. I've read quite a bit on physics of "butterfly effect" in my best years.

Etc, etc...

YET, i try to remember as often as i can (which unfort. is not too much ;) that the only Real Enemy is in fact Ego, not "them".

In God, and in His eyes, we are ALL His children, absolutely equally, and if anyone of us thinks Father loves them more than say GW Bush, or Greenspan, or Rotchild, they are VERY very wrong. And to Father, any one child calling any other child an enemy is also simply wrong. We are ALL small children in the garden of Eden, as far as God is concerned.
Small children who've got carried away with our play, and who got carried away with our roles in the play, and built up egos based on how we percieve those roles.

Believe it or not, it is so.

Nobody is anyone's Enemy. And ESPECIALLY, nobody is God's enemy. Not to God at least - only we (and sometimes they themselves) consider them God's Enemies. Not God. But then, God's view is the only True view - ours is always but a dream, this i know for sure. (A dream, that is, unless/until we awaken and see it thru God's eyes). Hence, God is right, and we are wrong - and they are not really our enemies. It is as simple as that.

Who or what is then the Enemy, who or what is the cause of all unmeasurable suffering that going on perpetually; and is getting only worse with time, not less as they tell us?

EGO is the satan's seat in every one of us, all members of this forum included, as well as all other people, and bankers and secret societies.
It is just a matter of how much we let it rule.
With the views that we here share, it is extremely important to remind ourselves frequently that the feeling of self-righteousness, and espec. righteous anger, is a great tool of this same Satan, and a great material for Ego building, if it is not held under strict and strong control, and used (or let happen) only very sparingly. In fact, the same that applies to all other (ego-)candy.

While it is true that people we are blaming here are builders (and descendants of builders) of eternal Babylon Tower, currently in it's most recent incarnation of New World Order, The Tower of Ego is the Babylon Tower in each and every one of us, and it is the ONLY instance of the Tower that is really in our power to tear down and destroy; or to let it rule us. In most people, it is a matter of measure, not either/or.

This is where our real efforts should go. This is the only Enemy each one of us has the task to conquer.

A beam in our eye is our task, the Teacher said, not the sand in the eye of another. This applies NO MATTER how sure we are that the case is opposite: that there's a grain of sand in our eye, and a beam in "theirs". One reason for this is that EVERYBODY is sure that their 'eye-artifact' is smaller than others', espec. of those who their anger, blame, or contempt is directed against.

So, even us here calling Illuminati etc "the enemy" is Satan's work, if you like, and he is happily rubbing his palms as we speak; having successfully set up "us" against "them".

But I am not saying we should forget about everything around us, and become blind to the omnipresent suffering, nor it's political/economic causes, and perpetrators. It is just a change of view i'm talking about; and a reminder of our real task. A reminder not to become 'like them', having same emotions, just professing another ideology.

The "Illuminati", to use it as a cover-all conspiracy term, are undoubtedly extremely dangerous souls and create unbelievable harm and suffering worldwide since beginnig of written history - but in truth, they are but lost children, extremely spoiled and extremely tangled up in their over-over-inflated Egos, and if anything, they should be pittyed, and helped, not hated.

We should of course do everything we can to lessen the harm they do, and also to help stopping them from doing it, as much as we can. But however 'emotionless' and 'soulless' they render themselves, emotionally they are youngest of all us children - albeit oversized and over-spoilt mutant babies ;) - and have to be stopped from harming other children, and helped to develop into 'normal' souls, capable of love and loving creative interaction with other souls. If we consider ourselves spiritually more adult (which judging by all the Quran and Bible quotes seems to be the case ;), this is how we should look on "them" - not with hatred or anger, and enmity. They are not our enemies, they are only THEIR OWN enemies, and we can only pray for someone to help their souls if we can't, and do as much as we can in repairing and preventing damage caused by them. Informing ourselves and others about what is really going on is undoubtedly a part of it - the part that brings us together on this forum.

This is what we can and should do regarding the 'evil rulers' and 'evil conspirators' - but the only place we can do anything substantial, only place where we can really conquer Satan, is not the world stage, it is our heart. Here and only here we can win the war against evil and bring Heaven's Kingdom to the earth, and let God, our eternal Father, shine upon the days of our lives and lives of those around us.

awake
12-15-2004, 11:36 PM
The real enemy is the false self, the spawn of a lying serpant that feeds on the devine essence, who we really are, in the form of daydreams and fanciful identification with the lie in which we are immersed. The real enemy is the loveless trance in which we walk and talk and work, the soul numbing drugs, all of the hideous conditioning that we endure. We have met the enemy and he is in us like a parasitic fluke of the spirit, that responds with quivering adoration to all of the stimulating shadow play in our fear of death and isolation. The real enemy is the unacknowleged lie in which we swim like blind fish. Follow me, I will make you fishers of men. The real enemy is our willfull deafness,ignorance and the cowerdace that keeps us blaming "them". The real enemy is the unwillingness to love ourselves and see that everywhere we look, and everyone we see is a reflection of our condition, our spiritual credit line. The real enemy lives in the time a mother doesn't have for her children,inhabits a country that is watered with tears of those children, adopts them for all eterniity. The real enemy is easy to identify...it demands respect and offers only intolerance in return. The time has come, my friends, to cut the crap and get real, compared to what you got. Break away from the restless machine, grown hot and filthy with the wastes of its appitites. Sacrifce the coddled serenity and its partner anxiety, the chemical stratigems of coping, and come out into the bracing cold of the real situation-the only place from which we can effect any meaningful change. The revolution is not political this time, though it may be argued that any human endevour is by definition political, the revoltion is nothing less than the mass awaking of our species to a new level of being, our true birthright and the legacy of every preceding generation of humanity. Indeed, you are not alone for there streches back into the very origins of life, the hopeful presence of everyone who lived and died to leave us here, those who deliver us to the doorstep of everlasting life. Do not be caught napping. Stay awake with for an hour. And pray, pray without ceasing. awake

karo
12-16-2004, 04:54 AM
nice one, awake.

very nice.

Born_To_Die
12-16-2004, 05:59 AM
I agree so much with this quote that I will
simply repost it and hope the echo continues
across the globe.

There is only one enemy plain and simple.
The Illuminati elite.
The ONLY paradigm is the Illuminati Elite VS Humanity.
Humanity without them would flourish and prosper.
There would be no war because we wouldn't have them as a hidden third party financing and manipulating both sides of a conflict to result in a outcome they desire.
They and their minions must be identified and isolated or eliminated.
80% of us are trying to make a civilization and live in peace.
The remaining 20% are made up of the hard core suppressives and their duped and misguided minions.
WE CAN WIN!
WE ARE THE MAJORITY!
ALL WE NEED TO DO IS WAKE UP THE REST OF HUMANITY!

marypopinz
12-16-2004, 09:47 AM
I'm for the wake up call.

It may be a rude awakening an it is inevitable. Too many people know too much are no longer scared to speak. There are too many of us, I agree. And I agree that we have to clean house and bring peace of mind to oursleves and our homes, first, at the very least.

Shame the devil and tell the truth.
Why should I feel shame for their actions?
If it's their shame, let them feel it and if I can shine a little light some how, some way, humanity will be forced to see the naked truth.

The emperor is naked. He has no clothes. Run that skeezy bastid out of town.

There are good people in the media... even mainstream media. I talk to a lot of reporters in my neck of the woods. They rarely believe the things I find out and won't dare to print a word and they, as individuals, heard me out.

I also have great faith that the truth always comes to light. I plant a seed of truth and reality will make that plant grow. They will see something unusual that gets through that chink I placed in their rose-colored glasses.

Speak the truth, it is all God asks of any of us. Isn't that what we, as parents, demand from our children? Are we living the truth or a lie? The kids know and they are creating a very rebellious generation through their propaganda machine of education.

Better days a comin'
I can sense peace on the horizon of all this despair. The truth is going to come to light. Hold tight to your hope.

Mary XXX

sablefish
12-16-2004, 10:01 PM
Mary X.. Perhaps this the wrong thread to ask you this question.. But are you suggesting that people should put these stamps on U.S. Dollars instead of
Canadian Dollars?..

Why are the stamps only on U.S. Dollars, or are they for Canadian Dollars too?.. both countries are hip deap in the NWO

Dummie me.. for asking a question that is out of order.

It is very easy for someone who is not under the fire Of Fascism to promote an outrage.. How would Canada like it if their currency/bills were filled with slogans from American slimetones?..

Think about it... Are you targeting your attack on only American denominations or is Canada's money fair game too?

And if you are only targeting the U.S dollar bills for your project then you are deflecting.. Attention away from Canada's role in the NWO..

In other words .. Why don't you tell the government of Canada that you intend to deface their currency.. Instead of ours?

Just a reality check..

marypopinz
12-17-2004, 01:28 AM
Actually, to clear the misunderstanding... I am canadian... my hands touch canadian money so...

I'll take the blame.

"Dear Prime Minister Paul Martin,

Did any new funny canadian dollars pass through your dirty hands with a few URLS on them? It is me, mary! I did it!

Mary wrote on your money! Mary wrote on your money. What a rediculous "crime" against society. Is money sacred to you cuz it isn't to me.

P.S. Kiss my ass for being such a wanker and dragging Canada further down the shithole. One day you will be held accountable for your crimes against Canada - by Canadians, the world over.

Mary XXX"

Dearest sable,

The two american bills i held onto, i discovered why, in the thread "is money worth paper printed on?". This theory applies to canadian currency and most probably most global currencies today... bank globilization - fraud.

If people in america want to doodle on their money...

If people in china want to doodle...

Australia? Britain? Canada? anywhere?

Where there is corruption, let the almighty dollar bear the truth.

I have a good habit of seeing the big picture. I was hoping for a trend from country to country... that was what I envisioning.

The buck from Toronto enlightens the person from Victoria.

The buck from new york enlightens the dude in washington.

Maybe money will cross boarders?

Money changes hands frequently, more than words... believe it or not. There is still a heck of a lot of over-printed money running through peoples hands. It isn't all credit.

That's what I believe people should start doing again... use money... fu@k credit. As you said, if you can't afford it it will own you... you are in debt.

I understand exactly how bad things are there... my eldest child's father missing... Christian Iraqi American citizen. Not cool.

If people choose, let them doodle. Pass the truth on, by whatever means possible and always in peace, not in fear. Speak, type, pray, print... it's all good.

Just my opinion... thanx for the check

Mary XXX

nohope187
12-18-2004, 04:24 PM
Osama Bin Goldstein did it yo! Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Mickey Mouse, and Space Ghost were in on it too, being the usuall suspects! :-P

DarkChilde3D
12-21-2004, 02:49 AM
If God was as forgiving as all versions and denominations of the Bible, Quran, and Torah are concearned . . . then God would have forgiven Satan after so much time.

madkhao
12-21-2004, 12:53 PM
If Satan could say sorry,

God probably could forgive him.

DarkChilde3D
12-21-2004, 10:03 PM
But in this sense . . . if satan did say he was sorry, and was allowed back into heaven, we'd have no need for God anymore, because the evil element would be gone . . . if we didn't need God anymore, we wouldn't believe in him. If we didn't believe, we'd end up in hell. So who would take the keys if the devil went away? Its a vicious cycle, really.

But once Satan is truly defeated, whose to say that God won't want us anymore? We'd become even more boring than we must be as it is. Just something to think about . . . no serious contemplation in mind, because we don't know for sure what's on the other side, we just have faith to guide us to it. . . which is okay with me . . . but not much for the scientific advancment for our race. Not like our world uses science for our advancement as a whole anyway . . . we just use it to kill more people, and make more money while looking for cures that are never going to be released if found.

I'm babbling . . . I'm going to stop now.

eddie
12-23-2004, 11:01 PM
hello rangergord.
i agree with your post.your last words,he is us.
could you be more detailed please.do you mean all of us? or a more detailed,smaller group.

nohope187
12-24-2004, 06:52 PM
Wow DC, you sure do like opening up cans of worms do'nt you? But, since you brought it up, we might as well discuss it, right? Okay, the devil as you know, is incapable of having a guilty conscience. The only thing he loves is killing off all humanity because he knows how entirely futile it is to attack God directly- hence, destroying humanity is attacking God indirectly. Anyway, I imagine the new world as a place with no sorrow, hatred, envy or death but, we're all gonna be mindless, non-thinking automatons incapable of original thought, as I think it says somewhere in the bible that there's not going to be any marriage or sex which really sucks. But hey, we'll all be happy right? :-P

freeman
12-24-2004, 11:01 PM
Okay, the devil as you know, is incapable of having a guilty conscience. The only thing he loves is killing off all humanity because he knows how entirely futile it is to attack God directly- hence, destroying humanity is attacking God indirectly.

I speculate whether it goes further than that. After studying these issues for the last several years, I am formulating a rudimentary hypothesis that goes something like this:
Satan is a negative spiritual entiity who feeds on the evil that he creates. That's why he creates it. God is just the opposite, as Jesus said, "God is a spirit, and those who worship him must do so in spirit and in truth." Therefore God's power is increased through good, positive, loving spiritual enrgies, and Satan's powers are increased by evil, negative, hateful thoughts, feelings and actions.
Remember the old episode of Star Trek about the alien life force that hijacked the Enterprise and a Klingon spaceship and forced them both to battle each other, just so it could feed off the negative emotions generated? And Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock finally reasoned that the only way to defeat the alien was to suppress all negative thoughts and emotions and replace them with positive ones?
If you try to study this NWO/Illuminati conundrum from a secular or non-spiritual standpoint, it does not add up logically. For instance, why such a long, drawn-out process of establishing global hegemony? Couldn't the one world government have already been instituted if the full force of the Illuminati and its satanic cohorts had been exerted behind any one of the world's evil dictators, like Hitler or Stalin? Why this continuous cat and mouse game, the relentless give and take of the Hegleian dialectics pursued time and time again in an almost perpetual system of universal conflict. Why not just get it over with?
Answer: Because then there would be a decrease in the total negative spiritual energy generated in the world. The relative stasis of one totalitarian hierarchy in global control, no matter how evil and sadistic that regime might be, would actually lower the total amount of conflict, contention and overall negative spirituality; therefore, this would weaken Satan, so he protracts the suffering as long as possible to extract as much as he can from it.
This hypothesis also explains why ultimately good must triumph over evil, because the former is self-sustaining while the latter is self-destructive. Predators often make themselves extinct by overhunting their own prey, whereas symbiotic relationships enable lifeforms to survive and prosper indefinitely.
Ergo, as the Bible tells us, just at the peak of the world's greatest evil and crisis (Armageddon), then it is logical that Satan's fate is already sealed by virture of the fact that his spiritual energy has peaked and can only decrease from this point on. This is also the juncture when one can expect God to intervene, taking advantage of Satan's weakness.
In short, I have arrived at the following tentative conclusions:

1)The nature of the Illuminati/NWO conspiracy proves that none other than Satan himself is at the head of it.

2)Satan's strength is also his weakness.

3)The best way to defeat these evil forces is to resist "feeding the bear" any more than necessary. (Perhaps this is where Ahmad's "submission theology" comes into play.)
Or as Jesus said, once again, "Resist not evil, but overcome evil with good." No matter how difficult the challenge, whenever we generate positive spirtual energy, unconditional love, forgiveness, and tolerance, we weaken the enemy. We literally starve it out.


"Good is better than evil, because it's nicer."
Mammy Yoakum

sablefish
12-24-2004, 11:42 PM
What if Satan is just one of the bloodlines of alien races of beings that have other motives for instilling the need for us humanoids to gather into one location gold and precious stones?.. Perhaps humanity is just an ant farm.. Where we are programmed to gather the things that the aliens need for their intergalactic empire?

Am I wearing tinfoil tonight or what?

But then again, if I was a non human race, I would trick the inhabitants of any planet in my reach into gathering for me the things I need.. Perhaps that is what we are, and perhaps the religions that we believe in are for their ends.

They plant a few guys that can do some miracles in this dimension.. and trick all humanity into gathering all gold and precious stones into one place and call it a bank..

I suspect that Satan is a multi dimensional being who has entered the bloodline of humanity.. and exists in the center of the Rothschild's power.

I figure.. That is what we are up against.. Creatures from another star system..

That is what is in back of the NWO.

The only way to beat them is with prayer.. That is the only way to effect positive change in this multidimensional conflict.

Anything other than prayer is the wrong tool.. Prayer is the way to warp the fabric of time and events unforseen.

Merry Christmas.. And yet, Jesus may have been a plant from another star system too.. But that's O.K. with me, because I like that system's reasoning, and ethics.

Beam Me Up.. Scotty!... And To All A Good Night

Ahmad
12-25-2004, 01:14 AM
Peace Freeman,


"3)The best way to defeat these evil forces is to resist "feeding the bear" any more than necessary. (Perhaps this is where Ahmad's "submission theology" comes into play.)"



Very well said Freeman, as i have always said it, the answer is within not without. Every individual is capable of deafeating Satan, once he realizes that ONLY GOD HAS POWER and stop pursuing the illusion. And by the illusion here i mean what is visible, for example someone who pursues his sinful lusts like paid sex, would never reach happiness because he is after the wrong source!, while if he realized that ONLY GOD can grant him this happiness, he will start pursuing the legal channels (e.g: marriage) which ofcourse must be based on common faith and thus God will grant him or her the "meaning" e.g: love through marriage.

So Satan's followers are all in continous pursual of a mirage, that could never grant them any meaning or feeling, only God can grant happiness. While Satan's kingdom is void of meanings.

You may think that this is just another theory, however i believe 100% in its truth, i believe this message is from God, God sent us guidance so that we could defeat Satan, it's up to us to follow this guidance or turn away!

In all sincerity, i believe that those who worship Jesus, Muhammad, their religious scholars, or dead saints are pursuing the same mirage, i don't say that to insult or critisize, i say it out of love for all the people who are duped by Satan to follow POWERLESS creatures instead of the one and only God.

May God guide us all to His straight path.

Ahmad Nishi Toba

Ahmad
12-25-2004, 10:22 AM
Peace DarkChilde3d,


"If God was as forgiving as all versions and denominations of the Bible, Quran, and Torah are concearned . . . then God would have forgiven Satan after so much time."


Good question,God gave us the answer in the final testament, Quran:

[4:17] Repentance is acceptable by GOD from those who fall in sin out of ignorance, then repent immediately thereafter. GOD redeems them. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

[4:18] Not acceptable is the repentance of those who commit sins until death comes to them, then say, "Now I repent." Nor is it acceptable from those who die as disbelievers. For these, we have prepared a painful retribution.



Now let's see if Satan's case applies to the first or the second verse above:

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[7:11] We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

The Test Begins

[7:12] He said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you?" He said, "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."

[7:13] He said, "Therefore, you must go down, for you are not to be arrogant here. Get out; you are debased."

[7:14] He said, "Grant me a respite, until the Day of Resurrection."

[7:15] He said, "You are granted a respite."

[7:16] He said, "Since You have willed that I go astray, I will skulk for them on Your straight path.

[7:17] "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find that most of them are unappreciative."

[7:18] He said, "Get out therefrom, despised and defeated. Those among them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all.

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Notice the defiance of Satan!, he believed his lie that God or the human being is responsible for his eviction from Heaven. He arrogantly refuses to admit that his ego is the reason behind his misery! So he will never submit, he will never let go of his ego!

Satan said: "Since You have willed that I go astray, I will skulk for them on Your straight path.I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find that most of them are unappreciative."


He is determined on taking his revenge from the human being till the day of resurrection!

Do you think his case applies to the first or the second verse above?

"Repentance is acceptable by GOD from those who fall in sin out of ignorance, then repent immediately thereafter."

Ozziecynic
12-28-2004, 03:28 AM
:-( Iam sorry to say that I believe many of us posting are the enemy, and some of us are our own worst enemy whether concious of the fact or not.

Most poeople posting on here are posting for entirely different reasons and some of them are not sincere or concerned for anyone except themselves. I first came to this forum with high hopes of finding good like minded people internationally with who i could discuss issues.
Instead it seems many people are here to stoke their own agendas and self interest with little concern for the truth or justice in issues.

Really i have come here to be modest but some people have obviously come to cut down others and troublemake by flexing their trivial egos in the sight of all modest truth seekers and God.
I speak of people mainly like 789, Pliny and Mr Shady that think this fourm is kind of competition to insult and scapegoat certain sections of the western population because of their plainly rightwing agendas which I cannot let go unchallenged because the forum as claimed to move beyond left and right wing ideologically but i see no evidence of this with posters posting their nasty pet hatreds around the forum.

I am sorry say people the enemies start here amongst those that cant subordinate their egos for one moment not even for civil discussion!. :-?