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galexander
06-26-2009, 12:27 PM
We have all become so conditioned by the propaganda in favour of ‘civilisation’ against ‘barbarism’ but the so-called barbaric societies were possibly far more peaceful than the later so-called ‘civilisations’ were. Indeed in the ancient world the consistent picture emerges that all early civilisations, and the later ones for that matter, were based almost entirely on slave labour and serfdom. And indeed being a serf was little better than being a slave. In barbaric communities people worked in co-operation and slavery more than likely did not even exist. The first cities therefore were financed by human bondage.

Another dark feature from the age of ‘civilisation’ is organised, mass warfare. Indeed one of the fruits of this warfare was a plentiful source of slaves from the conquered peoples and added to this the serfs from one’s own population who were expected to keep the war machine going under the threat of harsh penalty.

This cruel system survived intact into and throughout the medieval era and its effects must surely still be felt today in our ethical view of the human world. Indeed these days the division now is between the Third World and First World countries with the latter very much exploiting the former. As a result of this tens of thousands of human beings are needlessly dying each and every day. So its quite possible that the level of human exploitation is greater now than it ever was.

galexander
11-15-2009, 12:03 PM
One of the consequences of the observation that human civilisation is based on slavery is that the persons running this system must be crooks. Any order or regularity which exists within this society is immoral as such an order has an immoral purpose as a goal which is one of exploitation.

If the persons running this system are no better than crooks or pirates then what is to stop them committing other crimes in addition to cruel exploitation? Suetonius tells us that the Emperor Nero would sometimes pass his time by roaming the streets of Rome at night strangling anyone he came upon and throwing their bodies down the sewers. Even among the medieval Papacy acts of murder, whoring and paedophilia were not unknown; in fact far from it, such acts were pretty much the norm.

Sexual exploitation of course is part of the equation as well. It is not known precisely how many slaves there were in ancient Greece but modest estimates have every household possessing at least one slave. Of course the wealthier the household, the more slaves they had. It is evident that slave girls had their uses beyond being purely domestic servants and in ancient Greece the status of married women was little more than a domestic servant anyway.

Even the great intellects of the ancient world had slaves. Plato and Aristotle for example both had a number of slaves each. Considering that you regularly have to beat slaves to keep them obedient surely this paints these so-called sublime thinkers in a new light?

However I am sure I am merely brushing the surface.

galexander
04-11-2010, 03:49 AM
Can I ask here why nobody is replying to my post?

Have I touched upon a taboo subject that most people have a deep seated subconscious aversion to?

Grim
04-19-2010, 11:42 PM
Humans bred with Aliens.

galexander
04-20-2010, 12:01 PM
Humans bred with Aliens.

Presumably this comment was spoof?

BlueAngel
04-20-2010, 07:38 PM
Can I ask here why nobody is replying to my post?

Have I touched upon a taboo subject that most people have a deep seated subconscious aversion to?

Yes.

You can ask why nobody is replying to your post, but I highly doubt that it's because you think you've touched upon a taboo subject most people have a deep seated subconscious aversion to.

Most probably other reasons.

Trying to flatter yourself will get you nowhere real fast.

BlueAngel
04-20-2010, 07:40 PM
Presumably this comment was spoof?

To spoof or not to spook.

That is the question.

superted
04-21-2010, 06:23 AM
Yep, we were founded on slavery and still are! So that everyone is free from slavery, even today, wouldn't we essentially need some kind of worldwide communism? Isn't it the dark secret of a capitalist economy that we need people to suffer in order for the richest to get richer?

But of course a worldwide communist economy would never work (probably works on paper) as we humans are a dark immoral bunch by nature and deep down most of us either want to sponge of the system for free or to have more than everyone else. Slavery/others suffering is almost a prerequisite for mankind to flourish.

Grim
04-21-2010, 10:41 AM
We all have SS#.

Holocaust recollections anyone.

galexander
04-21-2010, 12:30 PM
We all have SS#.

Holocaust recollections anyone.

Again, I am having a problem taking you seriously Grim.

galexander
04-21-2010, 12:35 PM
Yep, we were founded on slavery and still are! So that everyone is free from slavery, even today, wouldn't we essentially need some kind of worldwide communism? Isn't it the dark secret of a capitalist economy that we need people to suffer in order for the richest to get richer?

But of course a worldwide communist economy would never work (probably works on paper) as we humans are a dark immoral bunch by nature and deep down most of us either want to sponge of the system for free or to have more than everyone else. Slavery/others suffering is almost a prerequisite for mankind to flourish.

But wasn't communism a form of slavery itself superted?

Look how Stalin treated the peasants of Russia who actually formed the majority in the country despite the name Bolshevik literally meaning 'majority'.

He killed most of them off apparently as being a peasant wasn't compatible with the aims of Socialism.

Problem solved.

superted
04-21-2010, 01:30 PM
Well yea you make a good point, communism does not work in practice but on paper it does. The reason it doesn't work - because of man! Communism needs people to be altruistic toward each other, fair and helping. Unfortunately most if not all people can't keep to these virtuous characteristics - Stalin least of all!

China seems to be doing well but communism isn't being used in the way intended and there's probably more "slavery" in China than most countries.

galexander
04-22-2010, 12:26 PM
Well yea you make a good point, communism does not work in practice but on paper it does. The reason it doesn't work - because of man! Communism needs people to be altruistic toward each other, fair and helping. Unfortunately most if not all people can't keep to these virtuous characteristics - Stalin least of all!

China seems to be doing well but communism isn't being used in the way intended and there's probably more "slavery" in China than most countries.

Yes and as I noted in another thread, Chinese money is helping prop up the US economy.

writer1981
04-29-2010, 01:36 PM
China is using what I think is a new form of communism. I think the media are calling it capitalist communism. Strangely enough it seems to be working well for the chinese. Their economy is one of strongest right now or so it seems.

Where ever there is someone wanting to oppress someone else there will always be slavery. It's the extreme extended version of Social Dominance.

Nearly every German citizen before and during world war 2 was a slave to Adolf Hitlers Regime. Anyone who opposed or even tried to flee the country were imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

Although I am sure some people like my great grandparents managed to get out of Germany before Hitler came to power.

Slavery still exists because in some countries unbelievably it is still tolerated .

galexander
05-10-2010, 12:43 PM
China is using what I think is a new form of communism. I think the media are calling it capitalist communism. Strangely enough it seems to be working well for the chinese. Their economy is one of strongest right now or so it seems.

Where ever there is someone wanting to oppress someone else there will always be slavery. It's the extreme extended version of Social Dominance.

Nearly every German citizen before and during world war 2 was a slave to Adolf Hitlers Regime. Anyone who opposed or even tried to flee the country were imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

Although I am sure some people like my great grandparents managed to get out of Germany before Hitler came to power.

Slavery still exists because in some countries unbelievably it is still tolerated .

On a psycho-sociological level as well remnants of the slave ethic still survive.

outfrom
08-03-2010, 08:27 PM
The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.

jane doe
08-04-2010, 09:38 AM
The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.

Well, receipts for god's "work" are toxic.

galexander
08-07-2010, 06:27 AM
The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.

It has to be admitted that religion has itself played a significant part in suppressing the free spirit of man.

The best example that comes to my mind is again the medieval Roman Catholic Church.

Historians readily admit that virtually all of the Popes came to power through money and influence or even murder. Their behaviour whilst on the Papal Throne was often even more shocking. And it wasn't just Rodrigo Borgia:

Pope Alexander VI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI)

And here's one choice quote from that page:

The wild orgies that Alexander was reported to have sponsored within the papal palaces are now generally considered by the Catholic Church to have been exaggerated.

galexander
08-09-2010, 11:55 AM
If you found the Wikipedia page on Rodrigo Borgia a bit watered down, how about the following:

Lucrezia Borgia, infamous murderess or political pawn? (http://www.essortment.com/all/lucreziaborgia_rldl.htm)

BlueAngel
08-09-2010, 09:09 PM
I am so glad that jane doe and Gale are able to decipher the written words of outfrom and all of his other usernames and respond to him, cause, quite frankly, I have no clue of what he speaks.

Apparently, they all speak the same language.

Broken English.

galexander
08-12-2010, 12:24 PM
I am so glad that jane doe and Gale are able to decipher the written words of outfrom and all of his other usernames and respond to him, cause, quite frankly, I have no clue of what he speaks.

Apparently, they all speak the same language.

Broken English.

Its merely a matter of having a little common sense and the appropriate IQ.

Allow me to translate:

"The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it(i.e. slavery) is what we were created for.

To be workers (i.e. slaves) for the gods." The words in the parentheses are my own.

Happy now?

BlueAngel
08-18-2010, 06:56 PM
Its merely a matter of having a little common sense and the appropriate IQ.

Allow me to translate:

"The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it(i.e. slavery) is what we were created for.

To be workers (i.e. slaves) for the gods." The words in the parentheses are my own.

Happy now?

Oh, for goodness sakes, Gale.

Outfrom and all the rest of his "usernames" who have posted on this forum make no sense when they write, but if you want to say that you understand their written word because it only takes a "little" common sense and the appropriate IQ to translate their BS, it only makes you look like a person who has very "little" common sense and a very low IQ.

Oh, and, BTW, CC does not desire that other members translate for one another.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

No translation needed.

Again.

Outfrom, etc. has various usernames and everything he/she has written is, for the most part, ridiculous, but if you desire to align yourself with him, so be it.

Happy now?